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Fix Pick: Anne Hull's Michigan Masterpiece



Pam Fleck, assistant manager of a Dollar General store in Southfield, Mich., is leaning toward Barack Obama as the working-class candidate. Photo by Michael Williamson of The Washington Post

For those Fixistas who don't know the work of the Post's Anne Hull, you should.

Hull along with reporter Dana Priest and researcher Julie Tate produced the amazing series of stories that detailed the mismanagement and failures at Walter Reed Medical Center and won the group a Pulitzer Prize in 2007.

With the election just 29 days away, Hull turned her eye to the presidential race and, in the process, delivered a gem of a story about the struggle of one woman -- named Pam Fleck -- in Oakland County, Mich. to decide whether or not to back Barack Obama.

Two distinct images of Obama wrestle in Fleck's mind.

The first, which seems likely to win out on election day, is of a young African American man whose life embodies a change in the status quo. "'A part of me thinks that, and I hate to say this, that because he is black -- or partly black -- and then struggling to get to higher places in life, maybe he will say, 'I know what you are going through,'" Fleck told Hull.

The second is of a too-risky choice, a guy who has risen so quickly that not enough is known about him or how he would govern in office. Fleck's sister, Sherry, epitomizes this view: "If Obama gets in, Sherry says, he will take away everyone's guns and control what roads they can and cannot drive on."

Fleck is like many lower middle class white voters living in places like Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, who have been among the last converts to Obama but have been nudged toward the change the Illinois senator promises to bring by the financial bailout of Wall Street in recent weeks.

Writes Hull:

"Fleck is exactly the kind of voter that Obama needs to win in November but has struggled to persuade. She's ready to roll the dice.

To understand why -- and to understand Obama's widening lead over McCain in a crucial state -- is to see an American worker pushed to desperation. A Wall Street bailout for $700 billion dollars? After six years at Dollar General, Fleck earns $10.35 and hour and receives an annual raise of 25 cents. She gave up Fantastic Sams and now cuts her hair over the sink in the bathroom."

It's these sorts of day-to-day sacrifices caused by the troubles with the economy that -- more than anything Obama or McCain is saying on the campaign trail -- appears to be the impetus for lower middle class white voters to shelve their doubts about Obama and give him a chance.

It's why McCain pulled out of Michigan last week and why recent polling in Pennsylvania and Ohio shows Obama pulling into a statistically significant edge.

Hull's piece also shows, however, how tenuous Obama's hold is on these voters who still carry significant questions about his readiness for the job and could be swayed to vote against him depending on how the next four weeks play out.

Hull, not surprisingly, puts it best: "For every Obama believer swept up in a sea of 'Change' bumper stickers, there are others who are tentative, whose slow gravitation is nothing short of a radical act."

So true. Go read this story.

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 6, 2008; 5:56 PM ET
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"Remember when Obama promised that he would adhere to the public financing schedule?:"
37th&Ostreet

Obama said he would aggressively pursue a deal with McCain to accept public money IF BOTH parties could agree to terms such as restrictions on 527 groups so the playing field is fair. McCain wasn't willing to accept any terms so the deal was off.

BTW: McCain received a bank loan based on he receiving public money as the Presidential nominee then tried to renege on accepting public money but could not.

Obama has championed TRUE campaign finance reform by proving that even an unlikely candidate can win a major party nomination by taking donations from everyday people like myself and not being beholden to lobbyists or PAC groups.

Personally, I am glad he isn't using TAXPAYER money to fund his campaign.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 7, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Nemotoad you get "Post of the day" in my book for lambasting 37&Ostreet.

It would be funny if it weren't so true.

Posted by: JRM2 | October 7, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

NEVADA ACORN OFFICE RAIDED-BREAKING NEWS

How is this not front page? It's buried!
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/07/acorn_nevada_offices_raided.html

Posted by: blevins20061 | October 7, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect to YorkIII ("Three Kinds of Republican", below), there is a fourth kind of Republican: those of us who actually believe in the STATED values of the GOP: limited government, rule of law, personal liberty and responsibility.

But that said, I leave York's main thesis intact, because those few of us who fit into my 4th category want to get our country and our party back from the Nutcase Neocons who are ruining both.
And the ONLY way to do that is to first defeat the latest standard-bearers of the perverse Neocon creed, McCain and Palin.

Republicans for Obama!

Posted by: Iconoblaster | October 7, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh my! 37thandOStreet, once again posting his wisdom in "look-at-me" screaming headline format. And what is he posting? Well, who'd a thunk it?

It always appeared that 37th&O purported to be a conservative, but here he is railing about the virtue of public financing, and the awful vile gall it must take for a politician to pass on it, and finance their campaign with voluntary donations.

So 37thandOStreet turns out to be a closet liberal, after all!

Posted by: Iconoblaster | October 7, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who invented the word gobbledygook is a hero of mine.

Posted by: corridorg4 | October 7, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

37thandtheOstreet:

Quote:
IF A WHITE candidate had a similar church, the Washignton Post would be railing against that candidate.

There is a WHITE politician who goes to a similar church. Her name is Sarah Palin and she believes Dinosaurs were Satan's lizards, that they lost the great war against the cavemen, that God only believes in pipelines and wars, and that no matter what the U.S. does, he is on our side.

She.
Is.
A.
Psycho.

Yet the WaPo does not report on it. Why? Because its stupid and has nothing to do with real issues like oh, I don't know, the Next Great Depression, a multi-trillion dollar war, and the fact that today's crisis is eerily similar to the savings and loan scandal that John McCain couldn't see coming from an inch in front of his stupid face.

And also, your "year in review" only contains one half-nugget of an event that actually occurred this year. Everything else is deader than Satan's Lizards.

Posted by: Nemotoad | October 7, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I wish the candidate would discuss global poverty more. According to The Borgen Project:
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$540 billion: Annual U.S. Defense Budget

Posted by: maryna1 | October 7, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

What a waste of money......


Remember when Obama promised that he would adhere to the public financing schedule?


Another LIE by Obama - now we have to sit through all these additional commercials.


Remember that Obama talks the talk, however when it comes to walking the walk, Obama is no where to be found.


Obama is a FRAUD - his dissing of the public campaign finance structure after pledging to adhere to it is a DISGRACE AND SHOWS OBAMA IS UNTRUSTWORTHY AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD NOT PLACE THEIR TRUST IN THIS AFFIRMATIVE ACTION GUY WHO USED TO BUY COCAINE.

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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 7, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

RE: toritto at 1:42 p.m.:

Chris:

Wow... a totally and brutally honest post on a board that's been invaded by paid disinfo propaganda agents. This one must be giving them major agita, because it reads so true (unlike their transparent and clumsy agit-prop).

Save this one, Chris... it very well may be the post that explains the election results (that is, if the electronic voting gremlins don't make it go another way...)

__________________________________________

TARGETING OF AMERICANS BY GOV'T AGENCIES:
A ROOT CAUSE OF WALL STREET MELTDOWN?

Once again, Congress rushed through emergency legislation -- socializing the capital markets, ceding effective control of the economy to the government.

Officials continue to blame lax lending policies on the part of the mortgage industry for spawning this crisis.

But were lenders ORDERED to offer "easy credit" to people "targeted" by government agencies?

Is government "extra-judicial targeting" of American citizens a root cause of the mortgage meltdown that spawned the broader financial crisis?

And is there a disinformation campaign underway to blame the Democrats, instead of ideologues who have hijacked federal agencies as their tool of "social engineering."

Consider this:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/targeting-u-s-citizens-govt-agencies-root-cause-wall-street-financial-crisis OR
members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 7, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm an old retired guy who doesn’t have to work and I can honestly say it won't matter to me in the long run who wins this election. At my age any election I participate in could be my last. I do believe however that the current administration has been the worst in my lifetime (born during FDR). I don't think anyone can rationally deny that. We have had 8 years of corruption, unnecessary war and shredding of the Constitution. Over the last several weeks we have seen the collapse of Fannie and Freddie, Lehman Brothers and the disappearance of Merrill; AIG needed $85 billion to stay afloat WAMU was seized and sold to JPMorgan Chase. Wachovia will be gone soon. Last week, the bail out bill. Now this party wants us to give them 4 more years so that John the "maverick" can fix Washington. ...like I was born yesterday.

If "small town working class" rust-belt voters in Ohio, Pa., Michigan and Indiana help re-elect the GOP then I for one don't want to hear anymore whining from them about their disappearing jobs and livelihoods, the high cost of college and gas, lack of health care etc. Let Johnnie' and Sarah’s "patriotism" put food on your table. Go flip burghers!

Screw 'ya. Cling to your guns and religion and “small town values”. Pray to Jesus when you go hunting for a meal. Stay with that church and keep your weapon. You will need both the soup kitchen and the rifle. You will deserve what you get. Your kids can go to community college if you can afford it and you can forget about ever retiring. You’re probably out of work anyway.

I got mine already. I live comfortably in the sunny South on a golf course in a paid off house, got my steady income, my "socialist" medicare and prescription drug coverage that you younger people wish you had but will never get under the Republicans. I sent my girls to college and they are successfully out on their own. The world won't run out of gas before I go and the planet won't get too hot.

A McCain election ain't gonna hurt me!

As Johnny Carson used to say - I upped my lifestyle - up yours!

I’m an old man. Trust me on this. God helps those who help themselves - if you're in deep doodoo economically and you vote Republican for their "values", you deserve it.

Posted by: toritto | October 7, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Meet the real Mavericks........

“I’m just enraged that McCain calls himself a maverick,” said Terrellita Maverick, 82, a San Antonio native who proudly carries the name of a family that has been known for its progressive politics since the 1600s, when an early ancestor in Boston got into trouble with the law over his agitation for the rights of indentured servants.

In the 1800s, Samuel Augustus Maverick went to Texas and became known for not branding his cattle. He was more interested in keeping track of the land he owned than the livestock on it, Ms. Maverick said; unbranded cattle, then, were called “Maverick’s.” The name came to mean anyone who didn’t bear another’s brand.

Sam Maverick’s grandson, Fontaine Maury Maverick, was a two-term congressman and a mayor of San Antonio who lost his mayoral re-election bid when conservatives labeled him a Communist.

He served in the Roosevelt administration on the Smaller War Plants Corporation and is best known for another coinage. He came up with the term “gobbledygook” in frustration at the convoluted language of bureaucrats.

This Maverick’s son, Maury Jr., was a firebrand civil libertarian and lawyer who defended draft resisters, atheists and others scorned by society. He served in the Texas Legislature during the McCarthy era and wrote fiery columns for The San Antonio Express-News. His final column, published on Feb. 2, 2003, just after he died at 82, was an attack on the coming war in Iraq.

Terrellita Maverick, sister of Maury Jr., is a member emeritus of the board of the ACLU, San Antonio chapter.

Considering the family’s long history of association with liberalism and progressive ideals, it should come as no surprise that Ms. Maverick insists that John McCain, who has voted so often with his party, “is in no way a maverick, in uppercase or lowercase.”

“He’s a Republican,” she said.

Heehee

Posted by: toritto | October 7, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: hclark1 | October 7, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

This was an amazing story and so well written. It really captures the plight of this segment of the population.

Posted by: reboot923 | October 7, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Palin's attacks on Obama's so-called "relationship" with former Weatherman member, Bill Ayers, a "domestic terrorist", who never killed anyone and who was never convicted of anything and whose actions took place when Obama was 8 years old, have verged on racist as she claims that Obama "doesn't see America as you and I do".

At a rally yesterday, a crowd member screamed, "Kill Him" as Sarah laughed and cheered with the crowd.

A fake sherriff waddles to the podium after peeeuuu and calls out Barack Hussein Obama to the crowd to further boos and chants of kill him...

At a McCain rally, he asked, "Who is Barack Obama?" and a crowd member yelled out "Terrorist" as McCain held that silly smirk on his addled face.

This reprehensible type of political campaigning is typical of the desperation the Republican Party finds itself in, as their numbers in the polls fall like the stock market...

peeeuuu palin and her husband are closeted facists and traitors...and again so is Vietcong propaganda model McCaint...

What is the Alaskan Independence Party?

The A.I.P. sympathized with Timothy McVeigh.

Founder Joe Vogel: “The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government", “and I won't be buried under their damn flag." (Joe Vogel is buried in Canada.)

“I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." Joe Vogel – Founder.

Dexter Clark, vice chairman of the A.I.P.: refers to the American soldiers in Alaska as "occupying troops."

Michael Hill, a representative of A.I.P., stated on Glen Beck’s program that the goal of the A.I.P. is to dissolve the United States and the Constitution.

This is Sarah Palin’s and the Republican Party’s version of patriotism and love of country.
........peeeuuuu

"First Dud", Todd Palin, registered with the Alaskan Independence Party in 1995 and remained a member for seven years. "Besides a short period of a few months in 2000 when he changed his registration to undeclared, pheww Palin remained a registered member of AIP until July 2002 when he registered again as an undeclared voter."

The AIP was founded in 1984, but its website doesn't begin listing officers until 1992, when its founder, Joe Vogler, "Disappeared"... in 1992, body found in May 1994."

As I have written in a previous blog...the same Joe Vogler who turned-up dead in a Fairbanks gravel pit, the victim of a "plastic-explosives sale gone bad", according to his murderer.

Sarah Palin addressed the Alaskan Independence Party Convention a little over 6 months ago, happily telling its attendees that she shared its "vision of upholding the Constitution of our great state", curiously not mentioning the Constitution of the United States.

She encouraged AIP to "keep up the good work".

The AIP website enshrines on its website a tirade from Joe Vogel that concludes with this statement.....

"We (the Alaskan Independence Party) ask that a courageous member of the United Nations sponsor us to appear before the General Assembly to present our case, that we may be restored to the list of Non-Self-Governing Territories so that we may eventually secure our right to self determination. We would also like to take the matter before the International Court of Justice if such is feasible."

...Now them's a fightun words.....

As for Wasilla, Alaska, it is STILL called the Methamphetamine capital of Alaska...oh also did you know that it is legal to possess under 3 ounces of Marijuhana in that state as well....

Sarah Sez..."gotta keep 'em stoned and stupid"

peeeuuu Palins 80% approval rating..yea, now I can see why...

Thanks but no thanks to McCaint and eeeuuu Palin for their treachery and further traitorus encounters

Posted by: AlexP1 | October 7, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

To all the bloggers who say that Senator Obama has been given a pass by the media, who is the media? All of the nonsensical issues you continually bring up have been brought up for nine months. We've read your blogs for nine months.

The fact is, "it's the economy stupid." Someone who just lost a job, and with no new jobs being created, wants to know what the next president is going to do to rebuild the economy.

Everyone knows that John McCain's answers are the same as George Bush's, and that saying "transparency" three times in a row does not change that fact. It's a complicated problem that will take measured judgment...the kind only one of the candidates appears capable of providing.

Posted by: amaikovich | October 7, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Proud people tend to disguise both their pain and their prejudices, and Michiganders are a very proud people. Ann Hull got Oakland County exactly right. Inside their Big Boy Restaurants and in backyards, many speak in hushed tones about Barack Obama. It is only the pain they feel at the destruction of their state, their way of life, rooted in manufacturing, that is now overwhelming these doubts about Obama.

I have tried here to write quickly about that pain, but I can't. It is too great and too personal. I grew up in Oakalnd County; my parents still live there, my family roots are there. I have returned often over the last 28 years. Watching what has happened there is like watching the slow, inexorable decline of a beloved parent. You put on a brave face, but you cry in private.

It is that desperation (and McCain's subsequent withdrawal, widely seen as an insult) that Ann Hull found and wrote so well about.

Posted by: stevec3 | October 7, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

The fact that the lady's sister said Obama will take away everyone's guns and tell us what roads to drive on is indicative of the lies and inuendo coming from neo-cons, racists and other fear mongers on the right. These are the same folks who would sell their own mother for power and control. I fear someone like Sarah Painlin more than anyone else. If, God forbid, she ever became president, we'd end up with a theocracy and then our rights would really be in jeopardy; the old testament would trump the constitution even more than it has this last 7+ years. As for the Supreme Court, it is already swinging in the other direction. There are virually no liberals on the court (what you right-wingers call liberals are really moderates, after all). All it will take is one more justice appointed by a Repub to make the court vote only conservative and to overturn Roe, among other important rulings. When Sandra Day O'Conner left, the court changed drastically. She was a Repub who originally backed Dubya, but regretted it very soon after she helped him get into the White House. She was moderate and cared about women's issues, and she was smart enough to see the mistake she had made. Unfortunately, she left to be with her ill husband, who died not long after. Without her swing vote, the court has made many changes she doesn't approve and has regretted her decision to leave. We need another one like her, not another Thomas, Scalia or Alito. This is one of the best reasons to vote for Obama, as justices are in for life and the lasting effects of a bad choice can change the course of history.

Posted by: childrenfirst | October 7, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The fact that the lady's sister said Obama will take away everyone's guns and tell us what roads to drive on is indicative of the lies and inuendo coming from neo-cons, racists and other fear mongers on the right. These are the same folks who would sell their own mother for power and control. I fear someone like Sarah Painlin more than anyone else. If, God forbid, she ever became president, we'd end up with a theocracy and then our rights would really be in jeopardy; the old testament would trump the constitution even more than it has this last 7+ years. As for the Supreme Court, it is already swinging in the other direction. There are virually no liberals on the court (what you right-wingers call liberals are really moderates, after all). All it will take is one more justice appointed by a Repub to make the court vote only conservative and to overturn Roe, among other important rulings. When Sandra Day O'Conner left, the court changed drastically. She was a Repub who originally backed Dubya, but regretted it very soon after she helped him get into the White House. She was moderate and cared about women's issues, and she was smart enough to see the mistake she had made. Unfortunately, she left to be with her ill husband, who died not long after. Without her swing vote, the court has made many changes she doesn't approve and has regretted her decision to leave. We need another one like her, not another Thomas, Scalia or Alito. This is one of the best reasons to vote for Obama, as justices are in for life and the lasting effects of a bad choice can change the course of history.

Posted by: childrenfirst | October 7, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The fact that the lady's sister said Obama will take away everyone's guns and tell us what roads to drive on is indicative of the lies and inuendo coming from neo-cons, racists and other fear mongers on the right. These are the same folks who would sell their own mother for power and control. I fear someone like Sarah Painlin more than anyone else. If, God forbid, she ever became president, we'd end up with a theocracy and then our rights would really be in jeopardy; the old testament would trump the constitution even more than it has this last 7+ years. As for the Supreme Court, it is already swinging in the other direction. There are virually no liberals on the court (what you right-wingers call liberals are really moderates, after all). All it will take is one more justice appointed by a Repub to make the court vote only conservative and to overturn Roe, among other important rulings. When Sandra Day O'Conner left, the court changed drastically. She was a Repub who originally backed Dubya, but regretted it very soon after she helped him get into the White House. She was moderate and cared about women's issues, and she was smart enough to see the mistake she had made. Unfortunately, she left to be with her ill husband, who died not long after. Without her swing vote, the court has made many changes she doesn't approve and has regretted her decision to leave. We need another one like her, not another Thomas, Scalia or Alito. This is one of the best reasons to vote for Obama, as justices are in for life and the lasting effects of a bad choice can change the course of history.

Posted by: childrenfirst | October 7, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The fact that the lady's sister said Obama will take away everyone's guns and tell us what roads to drive on is indicative of the lies and inuendo coming from neo-cons, racists and other fear mongers on the right. These are the same folks who would sell their own mother for power and control. I fear someone like Sarah Painlin more than anyone else. If, God forbid, she ever became president, we'd end up with a theocracy and then our rights would really be in jeopardy; the old testament would trump the constitution even more than it has this last 7+ years. As for the Supreme Court, it is already swinging in the other direction. There are virually no liberals on the court (what you right-wingers call liberals are really moderates, after all). All it will take is one more justice appointed by a Repub to make the court vote only conservative and to overturn Roe, among other important rulings. When Sandra Day O'Conner left, the court changed drastically. She was a Repub who originally backed Dubya, but regretted it very soon after she helped him get into the White House. She was moderate and cared about women's issues, and she was smart enough to see the mistake she had made. Unfortunately, she left to be with her ill husband, who died not long after. Without her swing vote, the court has made many changes she doesn't approve and has regretted her decision to leave. We need another one like her, not another Thomas, Scalia or Alito. This is one of the best reasons to vote for Obama, as justices are in for life and the lasting effects of a bad choice can change the course of history.

Posted by: childrenfirst | October 7, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The fact that the lady's sister said Obama will take away everyone's guns and tell us what roads to drive on is indicative of the lies and inuendo coming from neo-cons, racists and other fear mongers on the right. These are the same folks who would sell their own mother for power and control. I fear someone like Sarah Painlin more than anyone else. If, God forbid, she ever became president, we'd end up with a theocracy and then our rights would really be in jeopardy; the old testament would trump the constitution even more than it has this last 7+ years. As for the Supreme Court, it is already swinging in the other direction. There are virually no liberals on the court (what you right-wingers call liberals are really moderates, after all). All it will take is one more justice appointed by a Repub to make the court vote only conservative and to overturn Roe, among other important rulings. When Sandra Day O'Conner left, the court changed drastically. She was a Repub who originally backed Dubya, but regretted it very soon after she helped him get into the White House. She was moderate and cared about women's issues, and she was smart enough to see the mistake she had made. Unfortunately, she left to be with her ill husband, who died not long after. Without her swing vote, the court has made many changes she doesn't approve and has regretted her decision to leave. We need another one like her, not another Thomas, Scalia or Alito. This is one of the best reasons to vote for Obama, as justices are in for life and the lasting effects of a bad choice can change the course of history.

Posted by: childrenfirst | October 7, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The fact that the lady's sister said Obama will take away everyone's guns and tell us what roads to drive on is indicative of the lies and inuendo coming from neo-cons, racists and other fear mongers on the right. These are the same folks who would sell their own mother for power and control. I fear someone like Sarah Painlin more than anyone else. If, God forbid, she ever became president, we'd end up with a theocracy and then our rights would really be in jeopardy; the old testament would trump the constitution even more than it has this last 7+ years. As for the Supreme Court, it is already swinging in the other direction. There are virually no liberals on the court (what you right-wingers call liberals are really moderates, after all). All it will take is one more justice appointed by a Repub to make the court vote only conservative and to overturn Roe, among other important rulings. When Sandra Day O'Conner left, the court changed drastically. She was a Repub who originally backed Dubya, but regretted it very soon after she helped him get into the White House. She was moderate and cared about women's issues, and she was smart enough to see the mistake she had made. Unfortunately, she left to be with her ill husband, who died not long after. Without her swing vote, the court has made many changes she doesn't approve and has regretted her decision to leave. We need another one like her, not another Thomas, Scalia or Alito. This is one of the best reasons to vote for Obama, as justices are in for life and the lasting effects of a bad choice can change the course of history.

Posted by: childrenfirst | October 7, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The fact that the lady's sister said Obama will take away everyone's guns and tell us what roads to drive on is indicative of the lies and inuendo coming from neo-cons, racists and other fear mongers on the right. These are the same folks who would sell their own mother for power and control. I fear someone like Sarah Painlin more than anyone else. If, God forbid, she ever became president, we'd end up with a theocracy and then our rights would really be in jeopardy; the old testament would trump the constitution even more than it has this last 7+ years. As for the Supreme Court, it is already swinging in the other direction. There are virually no liberals on the court (what you right-wingers call liberals are really moderates, after all). All it will take is one more justice appointed by a Repub to make the court vote only conservative and to overturn Roe, among other important rulings. When Sandra Day O'Conner left, the court changed drastically. She was a Repub who originally backed Dubya, but regretted it very soon after she helped him get into the White House. She was moderate and cared about women's issues, and she was smart enough to see the mistake she had made. Unfortunately, she left to be with her ill husband, who died not long after. Without her swing vote, the court has made many changes she doesn't approve and has regretted her decision to leave. We need another one like her, not another Thomas, Scalia or Alito. This is one of the best reasons to vote for Obama, as justices are in for life and the lasting effects of a bad choice can change the course of history.

Posted by: childrenfirst | October 7, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The fact that the lady's sister said Obama will take away everyone's guns and tell us what roads to drive on is indicative of the lies and inuendo coming from neo-cons, racists and other fear mongers on the right. These are the same folks who would sell their own mother for power and control. I fear someone like Sarah Painlin more than anyone else. If, God forbid, she ever became president, we'd end up with a theocracy and then our rights would really be in jeopardy; the old testament would trump the constitution even more than it has this last 7+ years. As for the Supreme Court, it is already swinging in the other direction. There are virually no liberals on the court (what you right-wingers call liberals are really moderates, after all). All it will take is one more justice appointed by a Repub to make the court vote only conservative and to overturn Roe, among other important rulings. When Sandra Day O'Conner left, the court changed drastically. She was a Repub who originally backed Dubya, but regretted it very soon after she helped him get into the White House. She was moderate and cared about women's issues, and she was smart enough to see the mistake she had made. Unfortunately, she left to be with her ill husband, who died not long after. Without her swing vote, the court has made many changes she doesn't approve and has regretted her decision to leave. We need another one like her, not another Thomas, Scalia or Alito. This is one of the best reasons to vote for Obama, as justices are in for life and the lasting effects of a bad choice can change the course of history.

Posted by: childrenfirst | October 7, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The fact that the lady's sister said Obama will take away everyone's guns and tell us what roads to drive on is indicative of the lies and inuendo coming from neo-cons, racists and other fear mongers on the right. These are the same folks who would sell their own mother for power and control. I fear someone like Sarah Painlin more than anyone else. If, God forbid, she ever became president, we'd end up with a theocracy and then our rights would really be in jeopardy; the old testament would trump the constitution even more than it has this last 7+ years. As for the Supreme Court, it is already swinging in the other direction. There are virually no liberals on the court (what you right-wingers call liberals are really moderates, after all). All it will take is one more justice appointed by a Repub to make the court vote only conservative and to overturn Roe, among other important rulings. When Sandra Day O'Conner left, the court changed drastically. She was a Repub who originally backed Dubya, but regretted it very soon after she helped him get into the White House. She was moderate and cared about women's issues, and she was smart enough to see the mistake she had made. Unfortunately, she left to be with her ill husband, who died not long after. Without her swing vote, the court has made many changes she doesn't approve and has regretted her decision to leave. We need another one like her, not another Thomas, Scalia or Alito. This is one of the best reasons to vote for Obama, as justices are in for life and the lasting effects of a bad choice can change the course of history.

Posted by: childrenfirst | October 7, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The fact that the lady's sister said Obama will take away everyone's guns and tell us what roads to drive on is indicative of the lies and inuendo coming from neo-cons, racists and other fear mongers on the right. These are the same folks who would sell their own mother for power and control. I fear someone like Sarah Painlin more than anyone else. If, God forbid, she ever became president, we'd end up with a theocracy and then our rights would really be in jeopardy; the old testament would trump the constitution even more than it has this last 7+ years. As for the Supreme Court, it is already swinging in the other direction. There are virually no liberals on the court (what you right-wingers call liberals are really moderates, after all). All it will take is one more justice appointed by a Repub to make the court vote only conservative and to overturn Roe, among other important rulings. When Sandra Day O'Conner left, the court changed drastically. She was a Repub who originally backed Dubya, but regretted it very soon after she helped him get into the White House. She was moderate and cared about women's issues, and she was smart enough to see the mistake she had made. Unfortunately, she left to be with her ill husband, who died not long after. Without her swing vote, the court has made many changes she doesn't approve and has regretted her decision to leave. We need another one like her, not another Thomas, Scalia or Alito. This is one of the best reasons to vote for Obama, as justices are in for life and the lasting effects of a bad choice can change the course of history.

Posted by: childrenfirst | October 7, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The fact that the lady's sister said Obama will take away everyone's guns and tell us what roads to drive on is indicative of the lies and inuendo coming from neo-cons, racists and other fear mongers on the right. These are the same folks who would sell their own mother for power and control. I fear someone like Sarah Painlin more than anyone else. If, God forbid, she ever became president, we'd end up with a theocracy and then our rights would really be in jeopardy; the old testament would trump the constitution even more than it has this last 7+ years. As for the Supreme Court, it is already swinging in the other direction. There are virually no liberals on the court (what you right-wingers call liberals are really moderates, after all). All it will take is one more justice appointed by a Repub to make the court vote only conservative and to overturn Roe, among other important rulings. When Sandra Day O'Conner left, the court changed drastically. She was a Repub who originally backed Dubya, but regretted it very soon after she helped him get into the White House. She was moderate and cared about women's issues, and she was smart enough to see the mistake she had made. Unfortunately, she left to be with her ill husband, who died not long after. Without her swing vote, the court has made many changes she doesn't approve and has regretted her decision to leave. We need another one like her, not another Thomas, Scalia or Alito. This is one of the best reasons to vote for Obama, as justices are in for life and the lasting effects of a bad choice can change the course of history.

Posted by: childrenfirst | October 7, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The fact that the lady's sister said Obama will take away everyone's guns and tell us what roads to drive on is indicative of the lies and inuendo coming from neo-cons, racists and other fear mongers on the right. These are the same folks who would sell their own mother for power and control. I fear someone like Sarah Painlin more than anyone else. If, God forbid, she ever became president, we'd end up with a theocracy and then our rights would really be in jeopardy; the old testament would trump the constitution even more than it has this last 7+ years. As for the Supreme Court, it is already swinging in the other direction. There are virually no liberals on the court (what you right-wingers call liberals are really moderates, after all). All it will take is one more justice appointed by a Repub to make the court vote only conservative and to overturn Roe, among other important rulings. When Sandra Day O'Conner left, the court changed drastically. She was a Repub who originally backed Dubya, but regretted it very soon after she helped him get into the White House. She was moderate and cared about women's issues, and she was smart enough to see the mistake she had made. Unfortunately, she left to be with her ill husband, who died not long after. Without her swing vote, the court has made many changes she doesn't approve and has regretted her decision to leave. We need another one like her, not another Thomas, Scalia or Alito. This is one of the best reasons to vote for Obama, as justices are in for life and the lasting effects of a bad choice can change the course of history.

Posted by: childrenfirst | October 7, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The fact that the lady's sister said Obama will take away everyone's guns and tell us what roads to drive on is indicative of the lies and inuendo coming from neo-cons, racists and other fear mongers on the right. These are the same folks who would sell their own mother for power and control. I fear someone like Sarah Painlin more than anyone else. If, God forbid, she ever became president, we'd end up with a theocracy and then our rights would really be in jeopardy; the old testament would trump the constitution even more than it has this last 7+ years. As for the Supreme Court, it is already swinging in the other direction. There are virually no liberals on the court (what you right-wingers call liberals are really moderates, after all). All it will take is one more justice appointed by a Repub to make the court vote only conservative and to overturn Roe, among other important rulings. When Sandra Day O'Conner left, the court changed drastically. She was a Repub who originally backed Dubya, but regretted it very soon after she helped him get into the White House. She was moderate and cared about women's issues, and she was smart enough to see the mistake she had made. Unfortunately, she left to be with her ill husband, who died not long after. Without her swing vote, the court has made many changes she doesn't approve and has regretted her decision to leave. We need another one like her, not another Thomas, Scalia or Alito. This is one of the best reasons to vote for Obama, as justices are in for life and the lasting effects of a bad choice can change the course of history.

Posted by: childrenfirst | October 7, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"the arrogance of the Libs with all three branches in their control will know no bounds."

Silly Zouk, Legislative + Executive = 2 branches of gov't. The Judicial is right on the cusp; as the most elderly judges are liberal or moderate, the next President will likely be able to maintain the balance or heavily stack it with conservatives. It certaintly won't be 'controlled' by liberals.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 7, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

"God knows it will be better than when the Republican drones rubberstamped the decimation of the constitution by the neocons."

Well, the Republicans were emasculated, not arrogant.

And yeah, given the idiocy of the Republicans, I find it hard NOT to be arrogant. The guys can barely walk and chew at once.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 7, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

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Let's all review how this year, not decades ago. OBAMA REFUSED TO DISAVOW Rev. Wright and his BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY TEACHINGS.


What is worse is that Obama exposed his children to the HATE OF BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY FOR YEARS.


EXPOSED HIS CHILDREN TO THAT RACIST HATE UNTIL IT BECAME POLITICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR OBAMA TO CONTINUE TO BRING HIS CHILDREN TO THE RACIST CHURCH !


IF A WHITE candidate had a similar church, the Washignton Post would be railing against that candidate.


The bias is great, the racism is unbelievable. The media has given Obama so many passes.


Then they have to go and get some FALSE CHARGES FROM DECADES AGO.


Investigate Obama and his democratic friends in Chicago.


Investigate his friend REZKO who has been indicted and whose story much of America does not know.


Investigate all the connections between Michele Obama and Farrakhan.


BE SERIOUS MEDIA.


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING DRINKING THE KOOL-AID OF THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN TALKING POINTS AS IF IT WERE TRUTH.


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 7, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

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Let's all review how this year, not decades ago. OBAMA REFUSED TO DISAVOW Rev. Wright and his BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY TEACHINGS.


What is worse is that Obama exposed his children to the HATE OF BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY FOR YEARS.


EXPOSED HIS CHILDREN TO THAT RACIST HATE UNTIL IT BECAME POLITICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR OBAMA TO CONTINUE TO BRING HIS CHILDREN TO THE RACIST CHURCH !


IF A WHITE candidate had a similar church, the Washignton Post would be railing against that candidate.


The bias is great, the racism is unbelievable. The media has given Obama so many passes.


Then they have to go and get some FALSE CHARGES FROM DECADES AGO.


Investigate Obama and his democratic friends in Chicago.


Investigate his friend REZKO who has been indicted and whose story much of America does not know.


Investigate all the connections between Michele Obama and Farrakhan.


BE SERIOUS MEDIA.


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING DRINKING THE KOOL-AID OF THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN TALKING POINTS AS IF IT WERE TRUTH.


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 7, 2008 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Oh king of zouk..."the arrogance of the Libs with all three branches in their control will know no bounds".

God knows it will be better than when the Republican drones rubberstamped the decimation of the constitution by the neocons.

Posted by: oldpol | October 7, 2008 6:54 AM | Report abuse


Yes, Hull's mastestrpiece yesterday about Pam Fleck in Oakland Michigan, and how she tries to makes ends meet, was moving, up to the point and very informative.

Just like with Walter Reed Medical Center, and her exposing of the scandalous mismanagment, here we have a real reporting on a human situation with which many millions can identify.

journalism, at its best.

Thanks Anne, and Chris for mentionning it. A must read.

Posted by: bekabo | October 7, 2008 6:54 AM | Report abuse


Yes, Hull's mastestrpiece yesterday about Pam Fleck in Oakland Michigan, and how she tries to makes ends meet, was moving, up to the point and very informative.

Just like with Walter Reed Medical Center, and her exposing of the scandalous mismanagment, here we have a real reporting on a human situation with which many millions can identify.

journalism, at its best.

Thanks Anne, and Chris for mentionning it. A must read.

Posted by: bekabo | October 7, 2008 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Oh king of zouk..."the arrogance of the Libs with all three branches in their control will know no bounds".

God knows it will be better than when the Republican drones rubberstamped the decimation of the constitution by the neocons.

Posted by: oldpol | October 7, 2008 6:29 AM | Report abuse

Oh king of zouk..."the arrogance of the Libs with all three branches in their control will know no bounds".

God knows it will be better than when the Republican drones rubberstamped the decimation of the constitution by the neocons.

Posted by: oldpol | October 7, 2008 6:29 AM | Report abuse

But then, Obama comes out lying about his past. How badly will that cynicism erode Anne Hull's divided-mind woman?

"Stung by Gov. Sarah Palin's revisiting of Sen. Barack Obama's ties to former 60's radical William Ayers, the Obama campaign today tried to defend the candidate against charges that he "pals around with terrorists." Campaign spokesmen fanned out on television this morning to answer Palin and explain away the Obama-Ayers connection. In so doing, the campaign employed a defense that it has used time and time again when questions about Sen. Obama's associations have been raised: Obama was unaware of Ayers radical past, says the campaign."

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/10/06/obama-camp-not-the-ayers-he-knew/

Isn't that the same excuse -- that he didn't know about it -- the same one he gave about Rev. Jeremiah Wright? That he sat in the pews of Trinity Church for 20 years not knowing about Wright's racist and anti-American preaching?

How quickly will these teetering voters turn away from embracing Obama when he looks like a cynical liar?

Posted by: AsperGirl | October 7, 2008 4:33 AM | Report abuse

Confessions of a Recovering Republican

After shamelessly voting for GOP tickets over four elections, I am experiencing my own epiphany on my road to Damascus. But I did not discover proof of intelligent intervention, nor did I realize that anyone with intelligence above room temperature occupies the White House. And to make matters worse, the recent choice for president from the GOP, albeit a few I.Q. points above the current occupant of the Oval Office, appears to be bereft of a scintilla of integrity.

Politics is hardball. Therefore, one expects each side to stretch the truth about his or her opponent. But when comes to obfuscation and downright lies I have a problem. Despite the financial turmoil ravaging our country, there are those who have the unmitigated effrontery to tell the American people, who are struggling to put food on their tables, that they will restore prosperity to this country, even though the mandate of their party is to make the rich wealthier before tossing table-scraps to those who are the backbone of this country.

This may offend some, but with only weeks to go before many of us will pull levers to determine the direction and future of our country, I have to tell it like it is.

There are three types of Republicans:

1. Tier one are those individuals making over $250,000 a year that represent the true mandate of the Republican, which is to create the optimum atmosphere for those with money to make more money, and in the meantime have enough money in their bulging pockets so that enough falls from them to keep the masses content. This is sometimes known as ‘trickle-down’ or ‘supply-side’ economics. The trickle is from someone urinating on your back. And considering the source, the supply appears to be more than ample.

2. Tier two GOP voters are those so enthralled in their religious beliefs that they believe Republicans are the resurrection of Christ, partly because GOP candidates often claim to be the keepers of moral values, although they have won the race for moral turpitude hands down, if the number of the Republicans caught with their pants down with someone other than their spouse is any indication.

3. The last or tier three is replete with those who beg the question whether or not intelligence tests should given before issuing a voter registration card. They are the children of the Republican Party who are incapable of thinking for themselves.

York Van Nixon III 10/07/08 YorkVanNixonIII.Com

Posted by: YorkIII | October 7, 2008 3:55 AM | Report abuse

Confessions of a Recovering Republican

After shamelessly voting for GOP tickets over four elections, I am experiencing my own epiphany on my road to Damascus. But I did not discover proof of intelligent intervention, nor did I realize that anyone with intelligence above room temperature occupies the White House. And to make matters worse, the recent choice for president from the GOP, albeit a few I.Q. points above the current occupant of the Oval Office, appears to be bereft of a scintilla of integrity.

Politics is hardball. Therefore, one expects each side to stretch the truth about his or her opponent. But when comes to obfuscation and downright lies I have a problem. Despite the financial turmoil ravaging our country, there are those who have the unmitigated effrontery to tell the American people, who are struggling to put food on their tables, that they will restore prosperity to this country, even though the mandate of their party is to make the rich wealthier before tossing table-scraps to those who are the backbone of this country.

This may offend some, but with only weeks to go before many of us will pull levers to determine the direction and future of our country, I have to tell it like it is.

There are three types of Republicans:

1. Tier one are those individuals making over $250,000 a year that represent the true mandate of the Republican, which is to create the optimum atmosphere for those with money to make more money, and in the meantime have enough money in their bulging pockets so that enough falls from them to keep the masses content. This is sometimes known as ‘trickle-down’ or ‘supply-side’ economics. The trickle is from someone urinating on your back. And considering the source, the supply appears to be more than ample.

2. Tier two GOP voters are those so enthralled in their religious beliefs that they believe Republicans are the resurrection of Christ, partly because GOP candidates often claim to be the keepers of moral values, although they have won the race for moral turpitude hands down, if the number of the Republicans caught with their pants down with someone other than their spouse is any indication.

3. The last or tier three is replete with those who beg the question whether or not intelligence tests should given before issuing a voter registration card. They are the children of the Republican Party who are incapable of thinking for themselves.

York Van Nixon III 10/07/08 YorkVanNixonIII.Com

Posted by: YorkIII | October 7, 2008 3:55 AM | Report abuse

Are you better off than you were eight years ago?

GAS Prices January 19, 2001: $1.45/Gallon
GAS Prices October 6, 2008: $ 3.89/Gallon

DOW January 19, 2001: 10,587.59
DOW October 6, 2008: 9,955.50

NASDAQ Jan 19, 2001: 2770.38
NASDAQ October 6, 2008: 1862.96

CPI, January 19, 2001: 175
CPI, September, 2008: 315

Dollar exchange with Euro, Jan. 19, 2001: 1.068
Dollar exchange with Euro, October 6, 2008: .733


Are you better off than you were eight years ago?

Better yet, are you ready for another four years of last eight years?

Posted by: KaneMan | October 7, 2008 1:55 AM | Report abuse

Are you better off than you were eight years ago?

GAS Prices January 19, 2001: $1.45/Gallon
GAS Prices October 6, 2008: $ 3.89/Gallon

DOW January 19, 2001: 10,587.59
DOW October 6, 2008: 9,955.50

NASDAQ Jan 19, 2001: 2770.38
NASDAQ October 6, 2008: 1862.96

CPI, January 19, 2001: 175
CPI, September, 2008: 315

Dollar exchange with Euro, Jan. 19, 2001: 1.068
Dollar exchange with Euro, October 6, 2008: .733


Are you better off than you were eight years ago?

Better yet, are you ready for another four years of last eight years?

Posted by: KaneMan | October 7, 2008 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Are you better off than you were eight years ago?

GAS Prices January 19, 2001: $1.45/Gallon
GAS Prices October 6, 2008: $ 3.89/Gallon

DOW January 19, 2001: 10,587.59
DOW October 6, 2008: 9,955.50

NASDAQ Jan 19, 2001: 2770.38
NASDAQ October 6, 2008: 1862.96

CPI, January 19, 2001: 175
CPI, September, 2008: 315

Dollar exchange with Euro, Jan. 19, 2001: 1.068
Dollar exchange with Euro, October 6, 2008: .733


Are you better off than you were eight years ago?

Better yet, are you ready for another four years of last eight years?

Posted by: KaneMan | October 7, 2008 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, MIA.

And again, I'm a member of the Obama campaign.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 7, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Health care delivery problems in Canada
Often when the issue of health care access is discussed someone will point north and advocate for a Canada-styled heath care system for the U.S.
But there are problems in the Canadian health care system too. From theglobalandmail.com:
Canada, once able to boast about its high rank in the world for low infant-mortality rate – sixth place in 1990 – saw its rank plummet to 25th place in 2005, according to figures published this year by the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development.
Specifically, Canada's infant mortality rate of 5.4 deaths per 1,000 live births is tied with Estonia's and more than double Sweden's rate of 2.4.
According to the OECD the infant mortality rate for the U.S. was not listed for 2005 but it was 6.8 (deaths per 1000 live births) for 2004.
In addition, the waiting times for many procedures in Canada seems long. In a report titled The Wait Time Strategy (available as a pdf at the health.gov.on.ca website) the number of days between decision to treat and treatment is listed. These are the average number of days waiting for December 2006 and January 2007.


Cancer Surgery 68 days
Angiography 28 days
Angioplasty 17 days
Bypass Surgery 48 days
Cataract Surgery 183 days
Hip Replacement 257 days
Knee Replacement 307 days
MRI 105 days
CT 62 days


If interested, you can navigate the Canadian health care website and check the average waiting times for various hospitals and geographic areas in Ontario.

Posted by: schneemans | October 6, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD -

FYI.

Article I Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

Article II Section 2 - Civilian Power over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, ...

Posted by: mark_in_austin | October 6, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

For these voters, Chris, recall Obama saying: "they cling to guns and religion." It was a fundamentally condescending comment that shows his real feelings about the people he is allegedly trying to persuade in his favor.

But what Obama refuses to talk about is the most telling about the matters he will sidestep in office, and that is a lot. He is an unknown quantity in non-descript packaging.

His election would be more devastating for the Democrats than for the Republicans because it would have the effect of ripping apart the country's political fabric as we know it. A risk worth taking??? You'd better think long and hard about that.

Posted by: ttj1 | October 6, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

PAM FLECK, THE BOSS, AND OBAMA'S 'REAL CHANGE TRAIN'

Now that the McCain campaign has turned to McCarthyism and veiled hate speech, the Obama campaign must be more aggressive in courting the Pam Flecks of the world, the hard working left-behind white lower middle class that too often vote their hate instead of their heart... their fears instead of their economic self-interest.

Wanna bet that Pam Fleck's a big Springsteen fan? Instead of just doing those rallies, the Boss should be doing a "Streets of Philadelphia" type long-form political video, a working class hero ode that works in the message that Obama's the better bet in a society that socializes market risk on the backs of working people and keeps the profits privatized for the rich.

Earlier in the campaign I suggested that Bruce take Obama on a statewide Jersey tour, since New Jersey encompasses the entire range of class structure in America. Bruce is a billionaire rock star with a Jesus complex; Obama's an almost-millionaire political rock star with a Jersus complex. If Bruce can relate to the white working middle class, he should be able to shower some of that common man mojo on Obama as the campaign enters the final stretch.

Do that video, Bruce. Use "My Home Town" or "Promised Land" as the soundtrack. And talk to the camera like you talked to the crowd at your recent rallies. Take Barack on that Jersey tour. Show him the shuttered factories and the grimy refinery towns... let him introduce you to the hard-scrabbled folks who Sarah Palin is trying to enlist in her hate crusade.

Invoke that old Dylan song. Tell them not to let themselves be used as a pawn in their game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUvQzgxTxmE

Appeal to their better angels, and, as is the case with Pam Fleck, you'll find many willing to listen and some ready to throw in and board the REAL change train.

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BUT WILL CONGRESS PROBE THE REAL REASONS
BEHIND THE FINANCIAL MARKET MELTDOWN?


Once again, Congress rushed through emergency legislation -- socializing the capital markets, ceding effective control of the economy to the government.

Officials continue to blame lax lending policies on the part of the mortgage industry for spawning this crisis.

But were lenders ORDERED to offer "easy credit" to people "targeted" by government agencies?

Is government "extra-judicial targeting" of American citizens a root cause of the mortgage meltdown that spawned the broader financial crisis?

And is there a disinformation campaign underway to blame the Democrats, instead of ideologues who have hijacked federal agencies as their tool of "social engineering?"

Consider this:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/targeting-u-s-citizens-govt-agencies-root-cause-wall-street-financial-crisis OR
http://members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 6, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Fleck is doing the logical thing by researching her decision and thinking it through. That's how one arrives at reasonable decisions.

Sherry seems overwhelmed by the attacks by McCain and Palin and is prone to believe them. I suggest, if I may, that she listen to other views before she decides on how to vote: On Youtube, Sherry, listen to Phillip Butler, a POW for 8 years in North Vietnam, and a Naval Academy Graduate with an impeccable record; also, on Youtube, listen to Dolores Alfond and McCain in a congressional meeting concerning POW's and MIA's and McCain's efforts (and success) in stopping the investigations by the government. Also, Sherry, Google "The Keating Five Scandal". On Youtube, witness Palin's Witchcraft ceremony in the Wasilla 'Assembly of God' church presided by an African Witchdoctor-minister. Also, Sherry, Google "Anne Kilkenny", a citizen of Wasilla during Palin's tenure as mayor. While mayor, Palin made women who were raped pay for the 'rape kit' and the rape medical examination. As Governor, Palin authorized hunters to shoot wolves (even from the air); the hunters, then, would get $150.00 from the Department of Fish and Game for each right front paw of these poor animals they turned in for the reward. These are facts, Sherry, that no one can refute; you can check them. Think about all these facts, and ask yourself one question (among many others you may have): Why do McCain and Palin keep silent about the scariest economic crisis this country has known since the Depression and, more recently, since the "Keating Five Scandal" in which McCain was deeply involved? McCain's and Palin's emphasis on attacking the person of Obama trying to scare people about him being different will be very appealing to racists and hardwired repubblicans who, under no cirmumstance, will ever consider anyone else but a repubblican. I sense that you, like Fleck, are searching. No one can tell you how to vote, but I trust that you will find it reasonable to research these people, all of them, and then decide.

Posted by: josepheg410 | October 6, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Teh poster at 9:17 must be a child - or someone with extremly low intelligence.


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 6, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

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Obama is the genius here - if a white politician went to a church like the Rev. Wright's church - and brought his children to that church for years - the liberals would celebrate that white person just like Obama.


The liberals are pleased that Obama is going to win.


However, the credit that Obama has received from the media for his honest behavior being in that church and going there for so long - it is truly awesome.

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Posted by: Oand37thStreet | October 6, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

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Obama is the racist here - if a white politician went to a church like the Rev. Wright's church - and brought his children to that church for years - the liberals would shun that white person and brand him like no other.


The liberals are angry.


However, the pass that Obama has received from the media on his own racist behavior being in that church and going there for so long - it is truly unbelievable.

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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 6, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

To the impostor 37th&OStreet:

The more you post, the bigger the Obama lead gets.

Continue posting, by all means.

Obama has a 6 point lead nationwide.

McCain has given up on Michigan, in order to nibble at Obama's double-digit lead in Pennsylvania.

Obama will soon be up double digits in Virginia.

Obama has taken formerly red Iowa, and is going to take Missouri, Florida, and North Carolina, too.

Instead of convincing people of McCain, you convince them that you are a foolish donkey.

At least you will win Alaska. Maybe your bimbo VP can secede with her husband, and McCain can be president there.

OBAMA/BIDEN '08!!!!!!!

Posted by: Oand37thStreet | October 6, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Dawd, bonjedi and the poster who creates screen names to look like other posters:


Please identify yourselves as part of the Obama campaign - it is only right that your comments are attributed to your hope and leader Obama.

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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 6, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

To the impostor 37th&OStreet:

The more you post, the bigger the Obama lead gets.

Continue posting, by all means.

Obama has a 6 point lead nationwide.

McCain has given up on Michigan, in order to nibble at Obama's double-digit lead in Pennsylvania.

Obama will soon be up double digits in Virginia.

Obama has taken formerly red Iowa, and is going to take Missouri, Florida, and North Carolina, too.

Instead of convincing people of McCain, you convince them that you are a foolish donkey.

At least you will win Alaska. Maybe your bimbo VP can secede with her husband, and McCain can be president there.

OBAMA/BIDEN '08!!!!!!!

Posted by: Oand37thStreet | October 6, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

"Hey, I just saw a great commercial for a new Movie starring Leonardo Decaprio and Russell Crowe, based on the Barack Obama
candidacy."

You foolish burro - what of the many McCain candidacy movies out or coming soon, like "How to Lose Friends and Alienate People," "Blindness," and "Choke."

My favorite Christmas movie is one called "How an Irrelevant Geezer Chose a Bimbo as a Running Mate and Destroyed his Party for the Next Forty Years."

Posted by: Oand37thStreet | October 6, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

"The Constitution was written specifically to exclude generals from determining when to go to war. It's supposed to be in civilian hands."

Where in the Constitution does it say that?

(I'm not arguing the point. I'm genuinely curious)

Posted by: DDAWD | October 6, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

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Let's all review how this year, not decades ago. OBAMA REFUSED TO DISAVOW Rev. Wright and his BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY TEACHINGS.


What is worse is that Obama exposed his children to the HATE OF BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY FOR YEARS.


EXPOSED HIS CHILDREN TO THAT RACIST HATE UNTIL IT BECAME POLITICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR OBAMA TO CONTINUE TO BRING HIS CHILDREN TO THE RACIST CHURCH !


IF A WHITE candidate had a similar church, the Washignton Post would be railing against that candidate.


The bias is great, the racism is unbelievable. The media has given Obama so many passes.


Then they have to go and get some FALSE CHARGES FROM DECADES AGO.


Investigate Obama and his democratic friends in Chicago.


Investigate his friend REZKO who has been indicted and whose story much of America does not know.


Investigate all the connections between Michele Obama and Farrakhan.


BE SERIOUS MEDIA.


YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING DRINKING THE KOOL-AID OF THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN TALKING POINTS AS IF IT WERE TRUTH.


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Posted by: 37thandOStreet | October 6, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Some STUPID donkey in his desperation wrote about what he thinks are Democratic know-it-alls. I corrected his DUMB post. What a foolish burro this Zouk is:

dodd, Obama, Frank, clinton, Wrangle, Schumer. you know THE ONEs who know better than the HMOs about who should get medicine

dodd, Obama, Frank, clinton, Wrangle, Schumer. you know THE ONEs who know better than the Neo-cons about where your kids should get educated (what kind of IDIOT mule would write "get educated?" STUPID STUPID DONKEY!)

dodd, Obama, Frank, clinton, Wrangle, Schumer. you know THE ONEs who know better than Blackwater and Halliburton about where you should fight a war

Posted by: Oand37thStreet | October 6, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I just saw a great commercial for a new Movie starring Leonardo Decaprio and Russell Crowe, based on the Barack Obama
candidacy-

"Body of Lies"

Posted by: thecannula | October 6, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Um, about that +1 for McCain in Ohio...another one came out showing a +6 for Obama in the state.

Well, was nice while it lasted...

Posted by: DDAWD | October 6, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

KOZ - That "record expansion" is a house of cards that is collapsing around us, right now. As for your other "thoughts", especially the one about politician's knowing better about when to fight a war than some general, YOU BET. The Constitution was written specifically to exclude generals from determining when to go to war. It's supposed to be in civilian hands.

Public education - "I think by far the most important bill in our whole code, is that for the diffusion of knowledge among the people. No other sure foundation can be devised for the preservation of freedom and happiness... The tax which will be paid for this purpose is not more than the thousandth part of what will be paid to kings, priests and nobles who will rise up among us if we leave the people in ignorance." --Thomas Jefferson to George Wythe, 1786. ME 5:396

Andu uiversal medical care? "If we're going to have a successful democratic society, we have to have a well educated and healthy citizenry". - - Thomas Jefferson . Jefferson, Adams, Washington, Monroe, were all strong advocates of universal, government provided health care for all of the people.

Maybe you should consider moving to Russia or someplace you might feel more at home. You sure don't belong here.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 6, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey, McCain got a +1 in Ohio!

Looks like the tides are turning.

Of course, Obama got +8 in three national polls, a +10 and +12 in Virginia, +7 in Florida, +3 in Missouri, +6 in Colorado, +6 in North Carolina, +13 in New Hampshire, +11 in Pennsylvania, and +18 in Minnesota.

Ok, so "turning" is too strong a word.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 6, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

coming soon to a hospital near you:

dodd, Obama, Frank, clinton, Wrangle, Schumer. you know THE ONEs who know better than the doctors about who should get medicine

dodd, Obama, Frank, clinton, Wrangle, Schumer. you know THE ONEs who know better than the teachers about where you should get educated

dodd, Obama, Frank, clinton, Wrangle, Schumer. you know THE ONEs who know better than the generals about where you should fight a war

the arrogance of the Libs with all three branches in their control will know no bounds.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 6, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

wow, a Mike Huckabee fansite. It's kind of a shame that Huckabee has taken the McCain route and sold out to the right wing.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 6, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

"treasonous scum that would pervert their intention about free enterprise and defraud the American people."


OK now I can be sure you are referring to dodd, Obama, Frank, clinton, Wrangle, Schumer. you know THE ONEs who know better than the bankers about who should get loans. all it takes is a few hunderd $K in donations to get them to look the other way and if any Repub dares to try and slow it down, they will simply block it in committee.

It used to be called "conspiracy to committ fraud", until the Dem congress started doing it as a regular practice.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 6, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

That and surviving the mess created by Bush and McCain and the entire Republican party.

Posted by: mibrooks27


you must mean the record expansion. Or were you incorrectly referring to the Democrat led scandels which began roughly about two years ago. Perhaps you mean the uttter failure of liberalism which tried to take over the lending market by granting houses to their voters. I fear you don't like paying for these houses that Barney Frank bought for you under the warchful eyes of B. hussain Obama and dodd, the lead colletors of the corp graft involved.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 6, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

KOZ finally says something correct. Yes! Decent people truely believe that the "markets" are bad, that the 401K is and always has been a gigantioc Ponzi Scheme, that bankers and Wall Street investors are untrustworthy snakes, and that the entire structure and all participants should be imprisoned or run out of the country. Of course, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, and virtually all of the Founding Fathers agreed with that sentiment, wrote about it...

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." -
Thomas Jefferson
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=132338

KOZ, they wrote a lot more, too. Things about treasonous scum that would pervert their intention about free enterprise and defraud the American people. KOZ he was writing about YOU.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 6, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

"we could have a new reality television show "

Loony moonbat mikeb - I am sure that reality is simply a bridge too far for you. even on TV.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 6, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Jon Voight

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LOL. Fox just scraping the over-scraped barrel.

Posted by: wpost4112 | October 6, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I wish I was a "taken" with Obama as the rest of you. Oh, he's a lot better than Bush-McCain and that snivelling twerp McCain chose as his VP, but he still doesn't really understand working class voters. Working class voters want to see free trade ended, over, finished, wrapped up in old fish paper and discarded. And, then, they would really like to have a hunting season declared on the corporate and Wall Street executives who ruined their lives. Okay, a hunting season might be over the top and, besides, there would be only, what?, ten, twenty thousand tags, and 150 million or license applicants? Okay, so maybe we could do away with the hunting season and just stone them to death. That way vast crowds of people could participate. Or, we could have a new reality television show where they are tried and convicted and strapped down on a prison gurney and executed by leathal injection. I'd bet the working class, those people KOZ and AsperGirl and the like have defrauded for so many years, would make that the #1 show. Thoise are genuine working class voter considerations. That and surviving the mess created by Bush and McCain and the entire Republican party.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | October 6, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else see Jon Voight Go Crazy attacking Obama on The Fox Channel last night, here is the video http://www.huckabeeshow.com

Posted by: pastor123 | October 6, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Note that when Jim Lehrer asked what new programs each candidate would be willing to cut, Obama offered none but said we should be investing more money in early-childhood education. Here’s a phrase: magic thinking. We’re broke. Ask voters if they personally are focused on cutting spending or buying better services right now, going into this recession.

On Tuesday night, have McCain look at Obama and say, “You think early-childhood education is important? That $972 million you spent on local nonsense, money that went to Tony Rezko, programs administered by your Reverend Wright, and, by the way, the hospital where your wife works, could have paid for a fair bit of it.”

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 6, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I agree with most of The Fix's take on this feature and that the article was written well. However, I believe you are not giving enough weight to the racism of these white working-class voters. As that study pointed out last week, even Obama supporters who are white often harbor considerable racism. The study said that the senator would be doing at least six percentage points better in the polls but for the role of racism in decision-making. Most of Pam Fleck's family and her lover are rather overtly racist. That is why they will not support Sen. Obama. So, to really understand what is going on with these voters, one must acknowledge the issue.

Posted by: query0 | October 6, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama and his allies truly, deeply believe that markets are bad, and a small group of smart, good-hearted people — them — should be running things. The smart people had the good intentions of having the poor own homes. So they overrode traditional banking norms, which they called racist. Now we are all paying for their leftist ideology. For a real fight, mention the Community Reinvestment Act. Ask what happens in the near future when the “A team” — Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Charles Rangel, Barney Frank, and Barack Obama — are in charge of the economy, during the coming recession.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | October 6, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, this issue is not the most pressing issue in the campaign -- the economy is, and I fully expect Barack Obama himself to stay focused on it.

However, since McCain has basically waved the white flag of surrender on the economy, and since he's going to be spending the rest of the campaign talking about anything and everything but the economy, it's useful to have issues like this, the Keating Five, and the Alaska Independence Party to throw back in his face.


When it came to fighting violence against abortion clinics, John McCain put his radical "pro-life" politics first -- putting women (like Pam Fleck of Michigan) and their doctors at risk:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDlpWfLyYss
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Here's how the Times summarized the legislation John McCain voted against (not just once, but twice):

"The Senate voted overwhelmingly today for a Federal law to prohibit bombings, arson and blockades at abortion clinics, and shootings and threats of violence against doctors and nurses who perform abortions."

"The vote was 69 to 30. Twenty-eight senators who voted against Federal financing of abortions six weeks ago supported the measure, seeing it as a law-and-order matter rather than as an abortion issue."
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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE3DA1439F934A25752C1A965958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
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As you can see, McCain was one of a distinct minority of radical "pro-life" senators. A number of senators who opposed abortion nonetheless voted for the legislation because they thought it would protect women and their doctors. It was only the extremists who opposed the bill -and McCain was one of them.

One important detail about this legislation is that it was a standalone bill. In other words, McCain was opposed to this particular policy and he can't say that he opposed the bill for some unrelated reason.

Posted by: DrainYou | October 6, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

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