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Fix Poll: McCain Wins! (Sort of)



Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) won the title of most overrated Senator in the Fix poll. Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

Unlike other results shows -- "Dancing With The Stars" we are looking at you -- here at the Fix we get right to the nitty-gritty.

Yesterday we asked Fixistas to choose the most overrated Senator in the chamber. After more than 3,000 votes, the winner was Arizona Sen. John McCain with 23 percent.

Texas Sen. John Cornyn (R) finished second with 18 percent followed by Kentucky Sen. Mitch McConnell (R) with 17 percent and Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry (D) with 16 percent.

Our guess is that McCain's victory has much to do with his raised profile thanks to his 2008 run for president as the Arizona Senator has a far stronger record of actual legislative accomplishment -- campaign finance reform, for one -- than many of his Senate colleagues.

Regardless, the people have spoken.

We will be doing Fix polls like these once a week or so as we go forward so if you have a question that you want to see done, post it in the comment section.

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 13, 2009; 5:00 PM ET
Categories:  Fix Poll  
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Comments

How so, HughBriss?

Posted by: JakeD | October 15, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

BINGO!

(Another bad day for JakeD.)

Posted by: HughBriss | October 14, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is a war monger. Because of his family military connections he was allowed to keep his military commission while finishing at the bottom of his class. He wrecked five planes as a naval pilot. The loss of one plane for anyone else would question qualifications to consider for promotion. The scary part for me is that during the last election cycle he was willing to go to war over Georgia. This guy has never seen a war he wouldn't fight. He's old and so yesterday.

Posted by: fabricmaven1 | October 14, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I would have thought Murtha et aliae would have won such a vote personally.

lol I recall the democrats bringing Murtha out of nowhere, the 'war expert' no one had heard about before...boy he sure knew what he was doing. Id say that makes him a classic example of 'overrated'. et aliae.

Posted by: Homunculus | October 14, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Senator Barbara Boxer from California seems vulnerable from outside every six years but she wins with landslide victory every election.

It may be, her opponent is week each time or whatever?

In fact, she gets more votes than Senator Dianne Feinstein, who people have illusion more popular than Boxer.

Even next coming election, she will squash her potential opponent like ex HP Carly Fiorina.

Posted by: kat7 | October 14, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I saw Jim Bunning speak on TV today...and Bunning actually completed an understandable sentence, so I rate Jim "whackier than a fox" Bunning ahead of McCain.

McCain rose to fame becaue the media parroted the "maverick" nonsense over and over again that some people actually believe that McCain "90% Republican votes" was a "maverick" when in fact he rubber-stamped almost every thing Bush submitted.

Posted by: jjedif | October 14, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

my vote goes for Boxer. She has introduced over 150 bills and only 3 have passed. She is the most over rated senior of all times.

Posted by: dy19spider57 | October 14, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Cillizza:

Here's another question I want to see done.

"George Walker Bush, great American President, or the greatest American President?"

Posted by: JakeD | October 14, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Classic60:

Not at all -- for instance, Edward Prescott won the Nobel in 2004 -- if you will (re)read the thread in its entirety, our gracious host asked for Fix Poll questions that I want to see done. Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | October 14, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I want to know from all of the libs voting on these polls, which Nobel Prize should be awarded to Obama next?

- Economics

- Chemistry

- Literature

- Medicine

- Physics

Posted by: JakeD
==================================
What's the matter Jake, you jealous because one of your GOP buddies are not smart enough to win one of these?

Posted by: Classic60 | October 14, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain is soon to be Ex-Senator McCain. He will not make it past another election here in Arizona. Indeed, it's unfortunate that he has lasted this long, fossils belong in museums, as does he!

I love all the comments concerning that moron Palin posted here. I don't know for sure just how dumb the people pushing her to run for president really are, but the mere fact that they are suggesting that she run, strongly indicates serious deficiencies in brain power and judgment on their part.

If the GOP supports this nonsense, they are truly finished as a major political force in America, besides being a laughing stock for a decade or more for even considering the idea.

As for McCain, he was a mistake from the beginning. Very low in his naval class, wrecked several very expensive military planes, made a major mistake in judgment and got shot down, and was considered a non-starter for promotion. I spent more time in Vietnam constructively than he did, actually helping the Vietnamese people at times instead of trying to bomb them back into the 10th century. If not for wife number 2’s immense fortune, McCain would have had to take up another profession, like sweeping floors in a bar or picking up trash with a city truck. You know, jobs he could really handle.

So, good riddance to Mr. McCain – and the horse he rode in on!

Posted by: surfer-joe | October 14, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

ketnet:

Our gracious host has already discounted this "poll" specifically noting that it must be due to his raised profile thanks to his 2008 run for President, because "the Arizona Senator has a far stronger record of actual legislative accomplishment -- campaign finance reform, for one -- than many of his Senate colleagues."

Posted by: JakeD | October 14, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Yay. More unscientific polls that will be cited as if legitimate.

Posted by: kevnet | October 14, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

If he was a little smarter and better looking he could play Popeye the Sailor Man.

Posted by: notabeliever | October 14, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"...the Arizona Senator has a far stronger record of actual legislative accomplishment -- campaign finance reform, for one -- than many of his Senate colleagues."

While pundits and politics junkies commonly measure "effectiveness" in the Senate by the number of bills introduced or sponsored, those who voted for McCain as the most overrated Senator are likely basing their selection on their approval or not of the legislation he is associated with. If they generally disapprove of the quality of bills promoted by McCain then the quantity would count more against him than for him.

Posted by: Adam_Smith | October 14, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"We will be doing Fix polls like these once a week or so as we go forward so if you have a question that you want to see done, post it in the comment section."

Posted by: JakeD | October 14, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Man, if that's the best the Republic Party of No and their fellow travelers in the party of Old White Men from the South have ...

Then the GOP will become the Whig Party of this century.

Only mentioned in history books.

Posted by: WillSeattle | October 14, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

arancia12:

Perhaps you should read the topic before proclaiming who is "on" or "off" topic.

Posted by: JakeD | October 14, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

It's news to me that any of the senators are highly rated. What a bunch of goobers! Do we really want these people running every aspect of American life? Can anyone remember the old-fashioned terms liberty and self-reliance?

Posted by: emmet1 | October 14, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

2. Senator least willing to work with the other party.

==

It'd be a 39-Senator tie

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 14, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

In honor of Olympia Snowe's willingness to take the heat for taking a stand contrary to the rest of her party, I suggest the following (polar-opposite) polls:

1. Senator most willing to work with the other party.

2. Senator least willing to work with the other party.

Posted by: dognabbit | October 14, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"I had a lot of respect for McCain until he chose a nut case to be his running mate. Now I just don't know . . ."

millions of moderates in this country agree with this post including me.

As to attacking 'libs' lack of service, I would certainly stack Max Cleland's military service against Cheney's multiple deferments any day of the week. For that matter George McGovern the ultimate liberal was a WWII fighter pilot who's military service was far nobler then Cheney's. Thousands of Rs and Ds shed their blood each year in service to our nation and most of us are really pretty fed up with Rs casting aspertions and using poltics to brand our fine servicemen for partisan advantage. I am sure that on the battlefield that party affiliation is far from our soldiers thoughts when they are battling the enemy. Enough of that garbage.

Posted by: leichtman | October 14, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I submit my answer to your survey written month ago:

CIA Chief: Iraq Not Main Front at 11/14/2008 10:02 AM EST
What seems to be the problem Mr. Hayden? It took you this long to "cipher" the war on terror wasn't really in Iraq?

Sir; you might consider getting in touch with Senator John McCain and question him about his knowledge of "how to get Osama bin Laden," and "knowing, where he is."
John McCain has withheld this information long enough and it will no longer serve to get him elected President.

Oh...wait.... McCain is a Republican and there might be some doubt as to his honesty concerning the information.

You think?

Posted by: motiv8ed | October 14, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

The first commenter, bemoaning Obama's receipt of the Nobel Peace Prize should be gleefully celebrating the fact that when the Catholic church announced five new saints, Obama was not among them.

Obama got the prize because he started to reverse Bush's policies. Obama realizes that he doesn't deserve it based on his work.

McCain doesn't deserve his prize of most overrated senator either. He's done some good work. He, too, got his prize because of Bush. He offered to continue Bush's policies. Hopefully, he also realizes that he doesn't deserve this prize.

Posted by: IGiveup1 | October 14, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Suck it up Jaked. Look. If conservatives were not so hung up on their old, retro ideas that imply taking us back to the days of William McKinley, and if they didn't obsess so freaking much on their arrogant moral presumptions and if they spent a fraction of the time they spend on digging up filth on their opponents to slander them on solutions to the world's problems, maybe, just maybe they might get some consideration from the Nobel Committee. But, as long as they allow frothy bumpkins and bigoted, swaggering talk show hosts with no education to be their leaders, then they will receive just the sort of justifiable resentment of them that they so richly deserve.

Posted by: jaxas | October 14, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Kidoist, do you even know what a Marxist is? Do you even know what Marx believed in. Have you ever read Das Kapital? Do you really know what the meaning of socialism is?

Look. I am not going to get into some silly debate over terms and definitions but I think the cavalier hurling of the word socialist and Marxist by those of you on the right is what really comes off as phony. It is kneejerk. For God's sake, your John Birch forbearers in the 50s even called Ike a communist simply because he saw the value of a government investment in an Interstate Highway System.

Quite honestly, most Americans snicker when they hear you people make that old, hoary, obsolete charge. It reminds them of the 1950s and McCarthy and all of the slimy, damaging claptrap he put out about completely innocent people to ruin their careers and reputations.

No. The realy phony here is you.

Posted by: jaxas | October 14, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I want to know from all of the libs voting on these polls, which Nobel Prize should be awarded to Obama next?

- Economics

- Chemistry

- Literature

- Medicine

- Physics

Posted by: JakeD
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Gosh, Jake, hadn't thought about it. But I do know you get the prize for most off-topic post and most likely will get one for most bitter post too.

Enjoy dude.

Posted by: arancia12 | October 14, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Well, look. Any Senator who claims Sarah Palin is "formidable" has to have hius credentials questioned. Sarah Palin may get all of those old, white conservative men out there in Tea Party land hot and wet, but to most Americans she is a witless airhead with the same sort of penchant for saying something stupid as Glenn Beck.

I mean come on. The President of the United States wants to set up "death panels"? Is that a sample of what McCain calls formidable?

Posted by: jaxas | October 14, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I love these libs who criticize McCain's military record when they wouldn't even qualify for enlistment. I guess that's what a guilty conscience and cowardice will do for you. BTW, An entire list of war heroes, including MOH winners endorsed McCain. He was a lousy candidate and abandoned by the MSM for a phony marxist, but his service to this country is unquestionable...

Posted by: kidoist
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I love these posts! I'm a liberal and served 24 years in the military. The fact that McCain went to war, vice Bush being in the National Guard or Cheney getting five deferrements, does speak to some kind of integrity but let's not forget, he was a legacy (Daddy was an Admiral and so was Granddad) at the Naval Academy and graduated nearly at the bottom of his class.

He dumped his wife and didn't stay in the service. He certainly didn't choose to be POW and while I respect his suffering, it was rather thrust upon him.He also did make a statement against the US, but apparently retracting it makes it OK.

So I'll put my liberal 24 years up against McCain's as proof of patriotism and I had no help from my family in securing a position and promotions.

I am just amazed because I thought I was one of the only people alive who think McCain is overrated and has ridden his family's service record and his POW status as far as it would take him.

Besides that, he unleased that nitwit Palin on the country. I'll never forgive him for that.

Posted by: arancia12 | October 14, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

In fairness, there's only one credential you need to be in the senate: you got more votes than the other guy.

Posted by: howlless | October 14, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

McCain has no credentials for even being in the senate. The only thing on his resume is getting shot out of the sky on his way to bomb villages. If it was not for that event, no one would have ever heard of him except his mom and dad.

He himself has presented evidence of his judgment. He picked this buffoon from Alaska to possibly be the president. He has had lots of time to reflect on that, but he has not changed his mind.

Posted by: jshippentower | October 14, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I keep seeing people bloviating about McCain's military "service to his country." What in the world are you talking about? The man spent most of the war in a POW camp! What good did that do the country? At least Kerry worked to get us out of Viet Nam where we had no business in the first place.

Prior to Viet Nam, McCain was a pilot who lost, what was it, three or four planes because of errors in judgment. Will someone please explain what service he ever did for the country while in the military?

As for those who look at his legislative record, I notice that 2005, four years ago, was the last time he did anything worth mentioning.

Posted by: dkmjr | October 14, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I had a lot of respect for McCain until he chose a nut case to be his running mate. Now I just don't know what to think about him.

Posted by: seaduck2001 | October 14, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I had a lot of respect for McCain until he chose a nut case to be his running mate. Now I just don't know . . .

Posted by: seaduck2001 | October 14, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I had a lot of respect for McCain until he chose a nut case to be his running mate. Now I just don't know . . .

Posted by: seaduck2001 | October 14, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The nub of the question to me is the term "overrated." John McCain is an amiable, available figure uncommonly available for comment on any issue from A to Z. Comment is grist for the media, of course, and not legislating. John has a couple of major bills co-sponsored with liberal Democratic colleagues. It isn't much for as many years as he has served but it is something. Media attention is something else and at that he is a whiz.

crowesq

Posted by: crowesq | October 14, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

There was ever any other choice? This is a guy who is clueless on things economic. He has no idea of what getting along with people and other countries is all about. And spending the war in a POW camp does NOT make you an authority on military matters. When you look at the rest of his record (fourth from the bottom of his class, numerous incidents of stupidity and drink related disregard for the rules), you understand why he never amounted to much. He has the idea that killing people is going to make them cooperate with you instead of your enemies. The guy is clueless on how the world works and the only reason he got where he is is thanks to his wifey-poo's money.

Posted by: dkmjr | October 14, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

When it comes to being overrated, well, I suppose one first has to determine who's considered highly rated. What's the benchmark here? Sunday talk show visibility? Respect among one's senatorial peers?

What about the ailing Robert Byrd? Seriously, I don't understand why some Senators believe they out to "pull a pope" and remain in office until their death. Then again, I'd also stipulate say a 15 year span in office as supreme court justice.

As for McCain, well, he's been very involved in a number of important bills, so I have a hard time seeing this prize being anymore of a token of him being a household name (much as Kerry). Believe me, I think his posturing in years running up and during his presidential campaign was disappointing. But this "award" really suggests the flaws of a popular vote rather than a smaller jury determining it.

Now, who are the worst senators? The ones least making a mark? Bunning? Burr? Anyone else?

Posted by: charlesf1 | October 14, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I love these libs who criticize McCain's military record when they wouldn't even qualify for enlistment. I guess that's what a guilty conscience and cowardice will do for you. BTW, An entire list of war heroes, including MOH winners endorsed McCain. He was a lousy candidate and abandoned by the MSM for a phony marxist, but his service to this country is unquestionable...

Posted by: kidoist | October 14, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

The poll results certainly look reasonable to me with the exception of John Kerry. How about any senator from SC?

John McCain is certainly the maverick. One can never tell what he'll do or say next. For all of the people who like an unpredicatable in Congress, McCain is your man.

Posted by: EarlC | October 14, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I believe MS Snowe should have received the award!

Posted by: martigal10 | October 14, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I believe MS Snowe should have received the award!

Posted by: martigal10 | October 14, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Of course, Senator McCain is now considered the most over-rated since he lost the Presidency to the then most over-rated Senator (Nobel Give-Away aside)

Posted by: CubsFan | October 14, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Hidden cameras on the Arizona border show exactly what McCain supports - massive illegal immigration. See the videos.

http://www.borderinvasionpics.com

Posted by: happyappy45 | October 14, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

McCain deserves the title of most overrated. Since he began catering to the rightwing to win the nomination, he has also ceased to be a maverick. If he were a true maverick, he would be supporting the health reform bills in the senate. Instead it has been left to Olympia Snowe. Indeed I don't know why McCain in all over TV on Sundays and in-between.

Posted by: DWSouthern | October 14, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

McCain is directly responsible for the election of Barack Obama. Maverick? I guess he thought that nickname sounded cute. He gave the election away

Posted by: ezeemoney | October 14, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Suggested Poll Topic:

Most Overrated President

Posted by: valjean65 | October 14, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Nice job of stacking the deck, Chris.
What kind of poll results do you expect from a paper in a town that voted over 92% for Obama, and has never voted for a Democrat since it got the franchise? They even voted for McGovern and Mondale. Even their suburbs are bright Blue, and the comments sections of the WaPo are rabidly anti-anything Republican or conservative.

Kerry getting the Bronze was a stunning surprise only because these were overwhelmingly liberal Democrats finally telling the truth.
It's a shame that Joe Biden is no longer eligible. He would probably have been the run-away winner but we can no longer say that in public, can we?

If you keep doing these little "polls," can't you weight for party affiliation - just for fun?

Posted by: parkbench | October 14, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

McCain is ready and available for all cameras! As a resident of Arizona, I don't know anyone that can think of anything he has done for the state he has represented over 20 years. We rank dead last in federal dollars spent per capita, 49th in education... Too little attention has been paid to McCain's rank in his graduating class from the Naval Academy. Fifth from the bottom in a class of over 850 sends a loud message that too few have paid attention to.

Posted by: Louise618 | October 14, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I love these libs who criticize McCain's military record when they wouldn't even qualify for enlistment. I guess that's what a guilty conscience and cowardice will do for you. BTW, An entire list of war heroes, including MOH winners endorsed McCain. He was a lousy candidate and abandoned by the MSM for a phony marxist, but his service to this country is unquestionable...

Posted by: kidoist | October 14, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Yes, it's true-- reality has a liberal bias.

Posted by: drindl | October 14, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

The results (and most of these comments) are no surprise - the Post is, sadly, nothing more than a leftist/liberal echo chamber.

Posted by: srenihwon | October 14, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Fate1;

"I remember Kerry, during the convention for his election, stood with his fellow soldiers. Bush could find none. Where are McCains buddies from those days. Ask any soldier how it is possible for a man to serve with others yet have no friends from those days of service to stand at you side."

Actually McCain did campaign last year with a few of his Hanoi Hilton buddies, it seems you are horribly misinformed.

As for the preferential treatment, it is well documented that he could have left early if he wanted to and he chose not to. Whatever you think of the man's politics, he served his nation well.

Posted by: ElCapitanAmerica | October 14, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Most overrated war hero too. How many planes did he personally destroy? And I'm not talking about enemy planes. There were many heros in Vietnam and many at the Hanoi Hilton who did not get preferential treatment because they were the son of an admiral. If McCain learned anything from those days he learned that it pays to have high level connections just as Bush did. No wonder they are republicans.

I remember Kerry, during the convention for his election, stood with his fellow soldiers. Bush could find none. Where are McCains buddies from those days. Ask any soldier how it is possible for a man to serve with others yet have no friends from those days of service to stand at you side.

Posted by: Fate1 | October 14, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

What a shame that in AD2000 George W. stole the nomination from McCain; and what a shame that in AD2008 McCain chose a right-wing extremist to be his running mate.

Posted by: EddieV | October 14, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Oh, for a second I thought the poll was from Fix News, which would explain the disdain for McCain: he's not bat-turd crazy enough for most Republican extremists.

Posted by: trippin | October 14, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Olympia Snowe has to be the most under rated Senator, because she just cut a series of deals that would leave Machiavelli gasping in admiration...

The real question is how many MILLIONS in pork is she getting for her vote?
dr. o

Posted by: ad4hk2004 | October 14, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

"I specifically decided to vote for whom I considered the most overrated Democrat. I suspect most votes for a senator of the opposite party were a chance to "stick it" to someone. So, I went with Kerry. Blowing a solid chance to unseat a marginal incumbent doesn't give you currency in my view."

I didn't stick to Democrats, but the fact that I like McCain made me think about whether I should like him as much as I do. I have sort of low opinions about the other guys.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 13, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

"He may not have ARod's arm or range, but he is as heads up a SS as I ever saw. Do you remember the cutoff on the first base line and flip to the plate? He's not Oz or Vizquel - the best pure infielders I have ever seen. But I bet they do not make that play.

Posted by: mark_in_austin"

It's instances like this that leads to one being overrated. Give me range and an arm over occasional spectacular play. Over 162 games, I'll end up ahead. It irritates me when commentators ooh and aah over some diving stop that Jeter makes that most other shortstops make look routine.

Good play, though.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 13, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

MikeinMidland, I cannot believe that you would accept, without challenge, Jake's pathetic position that every thinking person knows Obama does not deserve the Peace Prize. This is a smirking position taken by some on the right who must run-down anyone pleased with the Prize. John1263 and ftsprod are allowed to express their happiness for the President and for the 69.5 million people in this country who voted him President. Clearly we see the same force for accord and diplomacy that the Committee sees. It is their prize, it is well thought of around the world and they get to award it to the person they think has done the most to foster peace in the last year. They chose Obama. He gets the prize. The GOP gets to stamp their feet and sulk noisily and try to shout everyone else down. Opposition is easier to do than governance, and the GOP is the perfect example of this.

Obmama has already accomplished a great deal for this country, so don't accept that sad little argument of Jake's. It started with Lily Ledbetter and it continues. http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/10/obamas-prize-for-peace.html
If he is stalled right now it is because he is saddled with a huge problem (the war in the middle east) as well as the ruined economy (the work of the previous administration) AND the strangle hold of the insurance industry. These are not problems that are resolved in 8 months, or Bush might have fixed them. Time is on Obama's side, and like John1263 and ftsprod, I'm happy to have such a capable man as pResident... and I'm proud of his Prize.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | October 13, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I specifically decided to vote for whom I considered the most overrated Democrat. I suspect most votes for a senator of the opposite party were a chance to "stick it" to someone. So, I went with Kerry. Blowing a solid chance to unseat a marginal incumbent doesn't give you currency in my view.

That having been said, I would suggest that Mac's influence is overrated. He's a man with few friends in his own party and has decided to harshly attack those in the other. I suppose it's bipartisan if both sides detest you

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 13, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to Mac. No "honor" was ever more deserved.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 13, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

And clutch too.
The A Rod big game baggage may go away this year (cheating gets into your head, being clean might be just what the doctor ordered), but Jeter is heads up in more ways than one.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 13, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

He may not have ARod's arm or range, but he is as heads up a SS as I ever saw. Do you remember the cutoff on the first base line and flip to the plate? He's not Oz or Vizquel - the best pure infielders I have ever seen. But I bet they do not make that play.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | October 13, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Perfect analogy to the McCain situation. Too much bracket creep, or emotional bleed between categories for the over-exposed.

As a BoSox fan, I don't think Jeter is all that. But I was in a bar in North Soho during their last series late last month and mentioned how I felt about Derek to the nice man I was sitting next to (I blame the Guiness) and that was the beginning of a 15 minute, as if prepared, speech on the wonders of all things Jeter.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 13, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

"Well see, I don't think Derek Jeter is over-rated, but I agree with your position, it depends where you start. People love him, he is a class act of a team leader in a place where it is very hard to stay that way year after year. But as a shortstop, I think people have a pretty fair view of him.

Posted by: shrink2"

Well, the best shortstop in the game plays for the Yankees, but it isn't Jeter.

I'm sure Jeter is a great ambassador to the game and a leader, but in terms of his actual baseball ability, he is given more credit than he actually deserves, especially when it comes to his defensive prowess.

Again, this is not to say he's a bad player. This is just to say he's not as good of a player as everyone seems to think he is.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 13, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that's very fair. To be honest, McCain is one of the few senators whose opinion I am genuinely interested in. If he hadn't given into the far right of his party and gone with Palin as a VP pick, I very easily could have voted for him. If he ran in 2012 with a VP candidate that isn't utterly insane, I would be strongly tempted again. I liked both presidential candidates in 2008, but Palin was just unelectable in my mind.

Posted by: ponkey | October 13, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Well see, I don't think Derek Jeter is over-rated, but I agree with your position, it depends where you start. People love him, he is a class act of a team leader in a place where it is very hard to stay that way year after year. But as a shortstop, I think people have a pretty fair view of him.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 13, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

"Rick" (?) Herzberg, in an inexplicably poorly argued piece says Obama (and Gore, etc.) deserved to win.

The argument he makes starts strong and then, he just decamps.

Finally he quotes Obama more or less saying he has done nothing to deserve it and then all but agrees with him. He ends with mild snark, the award is won, the peace? wish ya luck (elusive).

Posted by: shrink2 | October 13, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

"As I wrote yesterday when I saw that McC was leading, this was an intensely partisan poll. I think I can make the case that in 2005 McC had the single most impressive year of any US Senator. He is a very accomplished legislator.

Posted by: mark_in_austin"

Overrated doesn't mean bad. I think Derek Jeter has been an overrated shortstop his whole career, but still a damn good one.

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the 2008 election is fresh in our minds and how McCain decided to ditch his principles for a shot at the Presidency.

For me, I think his bipartisanship credentials are a bit overrated. He can be very hawkish on military matters. I tend to think his personality and good sense of humor kind of masks this.

It's hard for me to say whether someone is overrated, though. To say someone is overrated or underrated means to compare your perception of a politician with what you imagine the world's perception is of that politician. Quite often, I'm very unsure as to how the world views a particular individual.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 13, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Always happy to help.

Posted by: JakeD | October 13, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

And now I have.

Posted by: mikenmidland | October 13, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"The Nobel committee is absolutely correct. Obama is like a master violinist - you watch and it seems so easy that you get the false impression that they aren't doing anything special.

The right thinks that just because they say something loudly and in unison it makes it true. They also mistake the fact that president Obama is not spending all his time talking about all the amazing things he is doing and has done that he hasn't done anything. He is the first really visionary political leader the world has seen since Mandella, and the first the US has produced since Kennedy. Even Clinton is a piker by comparison."

Posted by: John1263 | October 13, 2009 10:59 AM

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/10/13/nobel_jury_defends_obama_decis.html#comments

"Obama is a major part of the dream Martin Luther King was talking about. He has been exemplary to the words peace. He leads with his head and not his emotions. He makes educated decisions and other countries love him as much as the US loves him. Remember during the elections, he was met by the President of France with open arms, he went on an overseas tour where leaders and citizens showed out in record numbers. Name one person in recent history who has promised peace, hope and change in recent past and walked the walk in every day life. A politician none the less. It's not about the war, cause he didn't start it. It's not about accomplishments to come...it's all about what he has done and promises to do as a person and a President. Do we not remember his life story. This excellent lawyer took three years of his life, not collecting a large paycheck that his education afforded him, but lived in a poor community to organize them to believe they deserve better. So, yes...he more than deserves this award and it's a terrible day in America when we debate our President getting such a prestigious award. We should be giving him a standing ovation for this 'cause after all his accomplishments shine a great light on America. As an American, I Salute him for a job well done. CONGRATULATIONS, PRESIDENT OBAMA!"

Posted by: ftsprod | October 11, 2009 3:18 PM

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/white-house/obama-keeps-his-eye-on-the-pri.html

Posted by: JakeD | October 13, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

A New Poll:
Who is the wealthiest Rep?
Who is the wealthiest Senator?

Posted by: MikeK3 | October 13, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse


Since I haven't seen anyone, "lib" or otherwise, (including Obama himself) state that he deserved the Nobel Peace Prize, I think it is safe to assume that no one is going to suggest he should win any other Nobel prize.

Everyone I've heard has the same take on it--that it was aspirational, intended to support the direction Obama is going. In recognizing this change of direction, it by inference is dismissive of the Bush Doctrine, but that is not the main purpose of the award.

Posted by: mikenmidland | October 13, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

You mean 2009?

Posted by: JakeD | October 13, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Certainly his presidential campaign had something to do with it, but he would still have my vote without it. McCain isn't the centrist maverick whatever his media image suggests. A tiny bit of reform and responsibility just means you're a corporate republican shill only 90% of the time.

Posted by: thecorinthian | October 13, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

As I wrote yesterday when I saw that McC was leading, this was an intensely partisan poll. I think I can make the case that in 2005 McC had the single most impressive year of any US Senator. He is a very accomplished legislator.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | October 13, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I want to know from all of the libs voting on these polls, which Nobel Prize should be awarded to Obama next?

- Economics

- Chemistry

- Literature

- Medicine

- Physics

Posted by: JakeD | October 13, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

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