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FixCam: Obama Tries to 'Fight the Smears'

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Barack Obama's campaign revealed a Web site this morning entitled "Fight the Smears" -- aimed at, you guessed it -- beating back misinformation, half truths or downright lies being spread about the Democratic nominee via television, the Web, radio and, most pervasively, e-mail.

"The Obama campaign isn't going to let dishonest smears spread across the internet unanswered," explained campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor. "Whenever challenged with these lies we will aggressively push back with the truth and help our supporters debunk the false rumors floating around the internet."

The aggressive move on behalf of the Obama campaign to combat these sorts of whisper campaigns is a tacit recognition that the rumors floating around about the candidate (and his wife) -- e.g. he is secretly a Muslim, he doesn't put his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegiance, Michelle Obama used the term "whitey" in a speech -- won't simply go away on their own and have the capacity to inflict real harm on the campaign.

Misinformation campaigns dealing with either a specific candidate or a political party are nothing new in politics, nor are the so-called "dirty tricksters" who revel in making mischief.

Two things are different about the 2008 campaign that make a Web site like "Fight the Smears" something close to a necessity for Obama.

First, the speed at which information -- whether via e-mail, instant message, anonymous video posting on YouTube etc. -- travels the news pathways has increased exponentially over even the last four years. An e-mail or Web video can be forwarded to thousands upon thousand of people within a moment and be almost instantaneously viewed and forwarded again. Perceptions can solidify within a day or even an hour, so leaving ANY charge unanswered in this environment is a recipe for disaster.

Second, the sheer level of misinformation/whispers/innuendo is FAR higher as it relates to Obama than any candidate in recent memory. Obama has been dealing with the insinuation that he is a Muslim for much of the campaign and, no matter how clear the facts are in the case, the rumor seems to persist in some circles. (Need evidence? Check out this story from the Lexington Herald-Leader last month.)

Given the seeming determination of some people to traffic in negative and false information about Obama, there is a far larger burden on Obama than on previous presidential candidates to fight back hard and quickly.

Will it work? "Fight the Smears" isn't likely to convince people who are inclined to believe the worst about Obama that the rumors out there about him aren't true. But that's not the site's target audience. Instead, it is designed to make sure that people who haven't developed any hard and fast opinions about Obama don't make up their mind based on half truths and innuendo. In that, it is an innovative tool born of the necessity of the pace (and nastiness) of modern campaigns.

By Chris Cillizza  |  June 12, 2008; 1:54 PM ET
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Cnn did a article on Obama courting the Latino vote. Which said The Obama campaign said in a statement: "It's not that we will grant citizenship, but we strongly support requiring them to legalize their status and allowing them to earn their right to commit to this country and eventually become citizens."

What a bunch of crap when Barack currently discriminates against American Hispanics.
I tried to post this on Cnn for this article and comments closed. CNN allowed only three comments. I know they have shown bias but protecting Barack Obama through censorsship is going to far!
Barack

Posted by: J. Alanis | June 15, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

I emailed watchdog@barackobama.com
about chaos45i when it opened still nothing? Guess it is true that Hispanics are being dicriminated against in Ilinois. And Barack Obama is standing by and doing nothing. Feel free to email him this info yourself. We should see something soon right?

Posted by: Daren | June 14, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

eljefejesus does not find it odd Obama's site is being very selective with the subject matter they are dealing with. As some reports of his discrimination of Latinos I've heard long ago are not even listed. Not to mention being sure to be careful with there words on what they are willing to talk about...

Posted by: Daren | June 14, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Luckily, the obama racist attacks and lies are getting old and the truth that he is a Christian is getting out. Just goes to the credibility and ignorance of the rumor-mongers.

McCain has a republican albatros around his neck dragging him down in the polls... and it doesn't just hate african-american candidates, it hates immigrants and other minorities. SOrry McCain, not sure you can lift your entire party out of the crap, just pieces of it... sort of like your support for Iraq now that we're there in the wrong war.

Focus on Osama Bin Ladin in Afghanistan, not the fraudulent war in Iraq that made dirty politicians like Cheney more friend in their former companies like Haliburton...

Posted by: eljefejesus | June 14, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Is there a difference in saying " ....for the first time in my adult life , I am proud to be an American......" when compared to "....for the first time in my adult life ,I am REALLY PROUD to be an American....." . TO BE REALLY PROUD does not diminish pride but adds value and distinction to pride. Michelle is really proud of America. Michelle did not diminish her pride for America. No. Michelle , like all true American's never said she was not proud of America. No. Michelle ,like all true American's IS REALLY PROUD OF AMERICA ,always has been from youth to adulthood. But then there was the realisation of the AMERICAN DREAM . THE DREAM BECAME POSSIBLE, AND NOW MICHELLE IS NOT JUST PROUD,No not just proud, but REALLY PROUD OF AMERICA. That is a great statement said by all people that love America and are proud of America and all patriots that love America and are really proud of America. That is like extra proud or more proud on top of proud. That's okay. All her life she was proud but now she is REALLY PROUD OF AMERICA.
There are degrees of commitment. There are degrees of patriotism. There are degrees of pride. It is good for anyone to qualify their pride for America and distinguish "........REALLY PROUD OF AMERICA.." from "...proud of America........" .
MAYBE SOMEONE SHOULD START "........... A REALLY PROUD OF AMERICA MOVEMENT............." AND CORRECT THE MISCONCEPTION OF CERTAIN SOUNDBITES PLAYED ON CERTAIN MEDIA CHANNELS.
We are only adults once. WE GROW UP , WHEN WE WERE CHILDREN WE SPOKE AS CHILDREN, BUT WHEN WE GROW UP , WE PUT AWAY CHILDISH THINGS ,LIKE PREJUDICE,LIKE FEAR MONGERING, LIKE PETTY SQUABBLES AND NIT PICKING ON PETTY ISSUES SUCH AS HE SAID SHE SAID HE SAID SHE SAID ETC ETC ETC .With adulthood ,comes maturity. Maturity to face reality ,make the right choices, and be "......... REALLY PROUD OF AMERICA.......". Errol Smythe


Posted by: Errol Smythe | June 14, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse


Obama can not stand to be vetted. The truth might come out. Clinton took it.
He is embarrassing as a candidate.


I am writing on behalf of my community to inform you of how angry we are about the primary process this year. As a woman, a Democrat and a firm supporter of Democracy, this has been the worst media coverage of a primary election ever. Senator Clinton was mocked daily and the world watched.

I have never seen such poor and biased reporting by media in my entire life.. 20 million Clinton supporters have had it with the media and injustice of this whole primary nominating system. This was not reporting, it was "Clinton" bashing. I felt like I was hearing headlines from the "Enquirer" tabloid newspaper.
It was daily and all day long. ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, MSNBC, Cafferty Files, CNN and slews of others networks followed each other down a lane of inaccurate reporting and vicious attacks against the entire Clinton family.

Cafferty files a segment of CNN went so far as to read a belittling question about Senator Clinton and then Jack Cafferty would cherry pick his blogs with vicious answers. This was done twice daily. The questions were sarcastic, rude and nasty most all of the time.

This coverage misrepresented Senator Clinton and undoubtedly swayed the public into a dislike of our former first lady. For CNN to state that they are "the best political team on television" only reinforced Mr. Cafferty's biased views of hatred towards Senator Clinton.


For the first in my life, I am completely embarrassed of our country's reporting tactics and the unfair judgment of the Democratic Party towards a woman, our First Lady.

I also cannot understand how Obama could not be embarrassed of himself.
How dare Senator Obama not apologize to Senator Clinton for the cruel remarks screamed in pews about whites, Senator Clinton and President Clinton. Instead of apologizing Obama had regrets about having to distance himself from his church and his low life buddies and mentors, Reverend Wright and Father Pflaeger.


This is the first time in my life, along with my entire community, that I will be voting for a Republican or as an Independent.

Senator Clinton does not need Obama. Obama needs Clinton. I pray that she will not accept a VP role if he offered the position. Obama is a complete embarrassment to this country as a potential candidate for the President of the United States.

I would hope that the DNC would wake up to the abuse that Senator Clinton endured from the media. This has been an unfair primary and Clinton supporters and most of Americans are well aware of all of it.

Posted by: A Very Concerned American | June 14, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

we are staunch supporters of barrack Obama.we know he is gonna win .we believe in the power of our votes to bring change to america.we believe he has nothing in similarity with osama .Obama go it man it is time to show true leadership in the land of america.

Posted by: dave n johnnie | June 14, 2008 7:05 AM | Report abuse

When these two are so reluctant to answer a question with a simple answer, I wonder why they are so adamant about a few stories, THEY say are not true. As for me I learn from facts and those facts are in Obama's book. He says he will stick with the Muslims if there is a question about an event or item. That to me, tells me he is not the person I want to be in charge of our USA and especially our Military. If he gets his way, he will tear down our Military. We do not need to cut down the amount of our military, who will protect us then? We need a REAL LEADER to help our country get back what the present administration has done to us, and he is not that leader.

Posted by: smaggie | June 13, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Truth to Power, those are good questions. I posted a comment here last night in which I made a feeble attempt to draw attention to the fact that most everyone here was discussing really stupid, silly and insignificant topics that have jack-squat to do with the whether or not any particular candidate would actually make a good President. When I came online a little while ago and read a few of today's comments, I can see that the conversation has REALLY IMPROVED!! Gee, now we seem to have graduated to the pinnacle of talking about a darned women's luncheon and who said this and who said that and where it was held, blah blah freaking blah!! Folks, I promise you - 8 months or so from today nobody is going to give a rat's butt about any of these non-issues. But what they will and do care about, now, then and forever, is the economy, the war (hopefully soon to end), health care, Social Security, and our relationships with the rest of the world and with one another in our own country. Is there anybody out there who can actually talk about the things that matter?? Or shall we continue with the earth-shattering, albeit false, rhetoric about the word "whitey"? Hmmm....come to think of it, I am white, and that word doesn't bother me at all anyway! Why, I must be ill or something. lol

Posted by: dimplesouth | June 13, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow, some of you people are really grasping at straws... what is it exactly that you're so afraid of??? A better economy, health care system, a few less american soldiers dying, a leader who actually takes care of the troops and doesn't spit on their honor??? What else, is it exactly?

Posted by: Truth to Power | June 13, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Virgina Gal,

To be clear, I beleive the keynote was Jackson Sr., not Jr. Since this was a luncheon, I don't think it would have been out of the question to have a question and answer period.

Also, I'm sure they had a head table, which included Mr. Jackson, Mrs. Obama, the other Special Guest, and the two MC's.

If I were watching a video and saw someone speaking from the head table, I would also assume they were panelist, wouldn't you?

I also don't think it would have been out of the question to have either the Keynote and/or both "special" guests address questions from the audience. Exspecially since this was a women's luncheon, I would have guessed that those in attendance would have liked to hear from the two female special guests.

Also, why have two MC's if you weren't going to open the room up for questions.

The main point is that the Obama campaign absolutely misrepresented what they posted. They were trying to discredit the supposed "rumor" by saying Mrs. Obama could have not spoken because she was not a panelist.

The truth is, she was listed in the program schedule at a womens event, most likely sat at the head table, and their was a high prability that she did speak.

Again, I think Obama's campaign made a big mistake to open this supposed "truth" website. When they begin to mislead like they did, then I start wondering what they're hiding...


Posted by: JR Truth | June 13, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Please,JRTruth, give it up. Your not going to convence VirginiaGal2 of anything Obamy. She is voting for him because of his oral skills(or should I say oratory skills)with or without the telepromter. I'll take her at her word that she has been to many luncheons and she knows the vocabulary.

What is puzzeling is the content of the Obamy oratory. He plans on talking to the terrorist, ala bury-your-head-in-the-sand- and-all-ills-will-go-away Jimmy Carter. He plans on dismantling the military, this way he will be able to save money for his socialist medical program. There is a whole laundry list that Obamy has to destroy this country. However, VirginiaGal2 knows all about lists, she just said so and Obamy is good at addressing an audience.

I just have one question for VirginiaGal2, are you a blonde?

Posted by: cameltoe | June 13, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

JR, I've attended a lot of conferences over the years.

Special guests usually are there at luncheons, dinners, and cocktail hours for people to meet and mingle with.

Meeting famous or important people is part of the draw for these events.

There is a great deal of interest in Michelle Obama, as an attractive, successful, well-spoken person who came from humble beginnings and achieved significant success.

She's on the agenda as someone who's there, that many people attending would probably hope to meet and perhaps even chat with.

This was not a panel discussion. It was a luncheon. The luncheon speaker was Jesse Jackson, JR, who is a local politician.

Panelists talk.

Speakers talk.

Guests are guests.

If I were making up an agenda, and had someone famous and interesting at the lunch (or a dinner or cocktail party), you bet your buttons I'd put her on the agenda as a Special Guest, and I'd probably seat her up front where everyone could see her, and seat my biggest donors or contributors with her as a reward for their support.

If she was going to make a speech, she would be listed as a speaker. She's not. If she was on a panel, she would be listed as a panelist. She's not. If she was an MC, she would be listed as an MC. She's not.

She's listed as a special guest. Unless I see evidence otherwise, my expectation is that means that she's on the agenda as "Famous person you might get to meet if you attend our event."

Special guest is a shorter, and less tacky, way of putting it.

Posted by: VirginiaGal2 | June 13, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Virgina Girl,

Reminds me of the definition of what the word "is" is...

Panelist, Guest, Special Guest, MC, Moderator, etc. She was included in the schedule for a reason.

If she was a simple attendee, or not attending, as the Obama website impLIED, her name would not have been listed.

There is more to this story, thus the reason the Obama campaign is misrepresenting the facts...

Posted by: JR Truth | June 13, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't appear that the "derogatory term" was made at the luncheon at all.

Which would be why ABC didn't denounce it.

How can you denounce what didn't happen?

It's a made up story with no evidence at all.

Posted by: VirginiaGal2 | June 13, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Chris, did you and the Washington Post make this kind of effort to counter the Swift-Boating of John Kerry during the last presidential campaign? You are so enamored of Obama that you spare no effort to help his campaign, but largely ignored similar smear campaigns by the Republican Right against Democratic candidates. Just another prime example of MSM bias.

Posted by: Willten08 | June 13, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

VirginiaGal2 is HOT.
However, Mrs Obamy is guilty by association, if she was present at the luncheon (where ever it was held) and the derogatory term for white people was uttered by the "keynote speaker" where is her indignation for the word that was used.
Most assuredly if it was a white folk luncheon and the N-word was uttered "Rev Al and the Boys" would be there with bells on, denouncing "whatever" from the highest hill top.

If ABC news was the host of this luncheon what is their (ABC) position on the deragotory slur? Too many questions!

Obamy or McShame? Swallower or Spitter?

Posted by: cameltoe | June 13, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

YEAH CHEVY, OBAMA must be a nut - i dont know how he ever graduated Harvard! In fact, I don't know he ever was voted president of the law review while at harvard!!! he must be a nut!

in fact, how'd that nut ever even be able to go to two ivy leagues universities and outdo damn near everyone else academically??? what an un-deserving nut this guy is, eh?

Posted by: YEAHBUT | June 13, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

JR, you must really think we are stupid.

Michelle was a guest at the luncheon. No one said she was not there.

I don't, personally, regard a guest as a participant, but whatever.

However, there was a keynote speaker at the lunch, and that speaker was NOT Michelle Obama.

If you click the link, what you find out is that JR Truth is not telling the truth.

Posted by: VirginiaGal2 | June 13, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

MAJOR PROBLEM ON THE FIGHTTHESMEARS WEBSITE!!!!

On the subject of the Michele Obama "Whitey" video, the Obama "fight the smears" states the following is a lie:

"The Michelle Obama Rant Tape was filmed between June 26th - July 1st 2004 in Chicago, IL at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Conference at Trinity United Church: specifically the Women's Event."

As proof, they post as the truth:

"Michelle Obama was not on a panel, and the Rainbow Push Conference was at the Sheraton."

They even provide a link to the schedule for the 2004 to prove that Michelle Obama was not a panelist at a women's event.

Perhaps the staff at the Obama team didn't think that people would click the link.

However, if you did click the link and did a search for Obama, you would clearly see that Michelle Obama was indeed listed as a Special Guest of a Women's luncheon.

See link here - http://web.archive.org/web/20040811233750/corona.tpsgi.com/rpc/Conference_Schedule.htm

It clearly shows that she attended the event in question and was a participant. In fact, if you look further, the "Woman's Luncheon" was MC'd by ABC 7 news in Chicago.

It is clear that the Obama website was trying to deceive readers by implying that she was not a participant in any events at the conference in question.

What's clear is that there's more to this story and the so called "Fight the Smears" website has now peaked my curiosity even more...

Posted by: JR | June 13, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Reality check - a guest is not the same thing as a speaker.

Michelle Obama was a guest at the luncheon. The luncheon had a keynote speaker. It was not Michelle Obama.

Yes, Michelle Obama was there - at the Sheraton, not at Trinity. The web site does not say she was not there.

No, she was not the luncheon speaker.

I went to the link. I can also read. And I've attended many luncheons with keynote speakers. Oddly enough, at a luncheon with a keynote speaker, it's the speaker who speaks.

Posted by: VirginiaGal2 | June 13, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

MAJOR PROBLEM ON THE FIGHTTHESMEARS WEBSITE!!!!

On the subject of the Michele Obama "Whitey" video, the Obama "fight the smears" states the following is a lie:

"The Michelle Obama Rant Tape was filmed between June 26th - July 1st 2004 in Chicago, IL at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Conference at Trinity United Church: specifically the Women's Event."

As proof, they post as the truth:

"Michelle Obama was not on a panel, and the Rainbow Push Conference was at the Sheraton."

They even provide a link to the schedule for the 2004 to prove that Michelle Obama was not a panelist at a women's event.

Perhaps the staff at the Obama team didn't think that people would click the link.

However, if you did click the link and did a search for Obama, you would clearly see that Michelle Obama was indeed listed as a Special Guest of a Women's luncheon.

See link here - http://web.archive.org/web/20040811233750/corona.tpsgi.com/rpc/Conference_Schedule.htm

It clearly shows that she attended the event in question and was a participant. In fact, if you look further, the "Woman's Luncheon" was MC'd by ABC 7 news in Chicago.

It is clear that the Obama website was trying to deceive readers by implying that she was not a participant in any events at the conference in question.

What's clear is that there's more to this story and the so called "Fight the Smears" website has now peaked my curiosity even more...

Posted by: JR Truth | June 13, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign is smart to realize the importance of the internet to combat smears.

The GOP will attack Obama and his wife Michelle as well as a host of other Obama associations. But the GOP has to be very careful here, because in the case of Michelle Obama, she could play "Hillary Clinton 2.0" in the general election.

By that I mean, Michelle Obama could be the rallying cry for women that felt disenchanted with Hillary not winning the nomination. If Michelle Obama can positively invoke the name of Hillary along with the Republican party fear of strong women, Michelle could rally older white women (and in general all women loyal to Hillary) to Obama's campaign.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | June 13, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

The best part of having a "smear web site" is that it becomes a quick reference for all the inane things being created and circulated. You don't want to get behind on this stuff.
Could you image if in the business world you based your decisions on "name calling", "flag pins", "birth certificates", and all this other BS! To me, if this is the conversation, it just a red flag that the presenter has nothing really to say. On the other hand, I you have a plan to change taxes, I'm listening and we are going to have a conversation. Tell me when we are going to fix the roads, not what somebody's wife said at choir practice.

Posted by: vcsmith | June 13, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, I did not get the image from dailykos - I got the image off of the Obama campaign web site. The official web site.

Smaller versions of the jpg are still going to show artifacts. You don't get less artifacts on the less compressed image. You would get all of the old artifcts, plus more. Duh.

I agree there is no point in continuing the technical points debate, as I am starting to need waders from your comments.

And, re your comments to the other poster - yes, software engineers can work with photoshop, and with digital video processing, for the entertainment industry, which is often one of the more lucrative ways to use such a degree.

Direct photoshop experience, especially from someone with a computer science or software engineering background, would be especially relevant, as they would have seen both the practical effects of image processing and understand the underlying theory.

The birth certificate is on the Obama web site. There is no need to vouch for it.

I still am at a loss as to why you care whether or not this is a certified copy. Not all valid, legal copies of birth certificates are certified.

I read the Hawaii statute you posted. In contradiction to your claims, it does not require that all copies of the birth certificate be certified. It says that certified copies, or any other copy or piece of the information, are provided by the health department. That does NOT mean that only certified copies are provided.

You appear to have made that requirement up.

Ringing is a specific phenomena. I haven't found anything indicating that Gibbs phenomena are the only form of ringing, so it would be inaccurate to say that the two terms are synonymous.

Bottom line is, I know enough about this topic to not believe you know what you're talking about. The biggest giveaway is the insistance that no engineer would be familiar with photoshop, and the focus on the formulas - when practical experience with the software is more relevant than the formulas, not less.

Problem is, AsperGirl, you're posting this in an huge metro area absolutely stuffed with computer scientists, engineers, software developers with degrees from engineering schools, and other people who read what you write and are able to go "this doesn't follow" rather than just saying "big words about math, must be true."

It's better to BS about computers in an area that isn't a center for high tech development.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 13, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Sickofspin, you are living in a dream world.

Obama has fewer - far fewer - skeletons in his closet than McCain, who has real scandals (such as the Keating 5) to worry about.

Obama is already getting the majority of Americans voting for him (past the margin of error), including the majority of white voters. Already. In every poll released since the primarys ended.

I could care less if he wears a flag pin or not. That is the sort of forced "patriotic" gesture that I associate with dictatorships, not America. I care about if someone loves this country or not, and I believe Obama does, and has shown that he does by his actions.

He's a good speaker, teleprompter or not.

And he's going to be our next President.

Posted by: VirginiaGal2 | June 13, 2008 7:12 AM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, software engineering is the field, along with computer science, that deals with image compression and digitization. Many of them are in fact trained as engineers in engineering schools (for example, at UVA or at Tech.)

Many others have degrees in computer science. The DC area is stuffed with people with this education background, often with advanced degrees.

Being a "real engineer" of any old flavor does not make you an expert on data imaging - a background in software engineering or computer science would, whether your degree is in engineering or in computer science.

Mechanical, chemical, electrical, or civil engineers have no more expertise in this than my cleaniing lady.

Software engineer is NOT a lesser form of electrical engineering. Computer engineering IS A DIFFERENT FIELD, with specific expertise in this topic.

You do not appear to know what you are talking about.

In this particular case, photoshop experience WOULD be relevant - FAR more relevant than a degree in electrical engineering, which is about as relevant to this issue as a degreee in civil engineering.

You may get similar artifacts from inapplicable functions - however, if the math is inapplicable, it's inapplicable. I notice you're backing off from quoting specific transformations to just saying ringing. You were quoting a specific series of transformations. Not just a specific flavor of artifact.

A degree in software engineering from one of the best engineering schools in the country does indeed make you an engineer. An engineer with a concentration in software engineering is just as much an engineer as any other engineer.

Saying otherwise, frankly, is stupid, untrue, and is going to point out, to anyone remotely familiar with the field, that you are a fraud.

You've just shown yourself to be a fake.

Posted by: VirginiaGal2 | June 13, 2008 7:03 AM | Report abuse

"dimplesouth diddo on racists and America haters. Obama also is cool with age discrimination. "Confused moment" is like "Bitter" comment. Barack just can't stop the hate"

We can strangle someone's words to make they say anything we want. But that would only mean a willingness to lie to ourselves.

Listen, I most certainly hate the America envisioned by those seeking to define what constitutes a true American. I most certainly love the America, true Americans from all races, creeds and stations of life, have fought, bleed and died for.

regards, joseph

Posted by: Joseph Jibran | June 13, 2008 3:49 AM | Report abuse

Hmmmmmm?

Do I vote for Obamy and become a swallower?

OR

Do I vote for McShame and become a spitter?

Hmmmmmmmm?

Posted by: cameltoe | June 13, 2008 3:32 AM | Report abuse

"Well, you can bet your sweet bippy that, if Obama says Michelle never said Whitey, she did it at least once" posted by fred

Tell me, Fred, what other pejorative term(s) can I bet my "sweet bippy" you have used more than once?

regards, joseph

Posted by: Joseph Jibran | June 13, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

dimplesouth diddo on racists and America haters. Obama also is cool with age discrimination. "Confused moment" is like "Bitter" comment. Barack just can't stop the hate.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 13, 2008 2:23 AM | Report abuse


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
HERO JOHN MCCCAIN,

I CANT BELIEVE WHAT I AM READING IN WIKIPEDIA.

THIS MAN IS SO HUMBLE AND MR.

OBAMA CAN'T DEAL WITH HIS EXPERIENCE!
NO WAY!

Posted by: TIM | June 13, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

Hey everybody! I am new at this "posting comments" thing, so excuse my obvious lack of possessing the finely honed ability to fake expertise on any particular subject. You know...the kind of faking that certain posters have developed to the point of - almost - artwork! I only have one simple comment I would like to humbly express. It is indeed a sad thing to observe certain people wasting the valuable time of their lives with mindless internet rants about "birth certificates" and "jpegs" and "sines and cosines", etc., when (in my humble albeit sincere opinion) the thing that I always thought was the most important to consider when deciding who would make the best next President of our country was whether or not he/she was insane. You know...as in "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result". God knows we have had enough insanity for the last 7 plus years. We definitely cannot afford to elect Senator McSame.

Posted by: dimplesouth | June 13, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Obama will beat McCain in a landslide. So, let these right-wing fools rant and rave and spread all their lies and smears about Obama now, while they still can.

They will be eating their words, along with a large helping of crow, in November.

Posted by: CJP | June 13, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Sorry libs, Obama will never get elected.

1. Holy skeletons in the closet.

2. You need the white vote to win. This is the key that all democrats and media deny. Rev. Wright ruined that for him.
"Dems need the minority vote to win, but don't want it. Republicans don't need the minority vote to win, but would like to have it" Glenn Beck was the author of these masterful words.

3. Trying to be president and won't even wear the flag?!?! What a disgrace. That left a bad taste in everyones mouth and will for a long time.

4. He limped across the finish line against hillary. Why do you think she stayed in? Because he is weak. Take away the teleprompter and fancy axelrod speaches and he's a mumbling idiot.

Posted by: SICKOFSPIN | June 13, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

This Obama supporter respects McCain supporters because they know how to show respect. It is the clinton campaign that began the tone of trash Obama at all cost and most of her supporters followed all too willingly. They even have the audacity to say when Bill says it's no big deal for a black man to win SC and Ferraro says he's only winning because he's black, they accuse Obama of smearing them. They smeared themselves. In total, the clinton campaign couldn't have gotten more covered in mud from themselves playing in it if they tried.

Posted by: 1rap | June 13, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Well, you can bet your sweet bippy that, if Obama says Michelle never said Whitey, she did it at least once.

Posted by: fred | June 13, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

"I think the debut of Michelle Obama's racist "whitey" rant video should be explosive. When it comes out in October I shall cheer the release! Democracy is wonderful..".Posted by: Sandy

Just curious. What will you say when there is no explosive video in October; will you be disappointed there was no "whitey" rant by Michelle, will democracy still be wonderful?

regards, joseph

Posted by: Joseph Jibran | June 13, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

"It's amazing how many people are not only willing to believe it, but how many stupid people want to believe the lie in any of its many forms"-. Posted by: eljefejesus

Even people with lower cognitive abilities but pure in heart, will not accept a lie. The people to which your post is directed, have a different heart.

regards, joseph

Posted by: Joseph Jibran | June 13, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

"Sorry if I upset anyone. That 'birth certificate' is a fake."
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After having carefully examined the image, I find that it appears to be a .jpg compression of a high resolution color scan of an original document laser-printed from textual (non-image) data using black toner on a "scan-proof" multicolor, micro-engraved background. I find no indications inconsistent with this conclusion. In particular,

1) the original paper document had tiny specks or stains, some of which were dark and high contrast. In all the cases I examined, the image near the flaw showed visible compression artifacts consistent with .jpg compression;

2) All printing, both variable and static components of the document, e.g. form designations, shows compression artifacts consistent with .jpg compression;

3) According to the form identification in the lower left hand corner, the original document was printed some time after the turn of the century. In this modern age, the "certification" of the document is in the micro-printing on the paper stock. That micro-printing is sized, and colored predominately in hues of green and yellow, in order to be "scan-proof." Naturally, this fine structure cannot be discerned here but only in the original.

4) The designation "Barack Hussein Obama II" is consistent with best practices for births registration.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

I think the debut of Michelle Obama's racist "whitey" rant video should be explosive. When it comes out in October I shall cheer the release! Democracy is wonderful...

Posted by: Sandy | June 12, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Until the NACCP changes its name, I will still refer to colored people as "colored". Obama is colored!

Posted by: Nadeem Zakaria | June 12, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

A word from the wise. I am living proof. You can't keep a good man down and in this case, it applies to you can't keep a good woman down either. Go Obama and Michelle. God Bless America!

Posted by: Nisey01 | June 12, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

The website says "radical Muslim school" - however that leaves open the possibility for a "regular Muslim school"


OK now who is practicing deception and who is not?


.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Only fake Americans would engage in such slandering and libeling. Politics are dirty, true, however; there are morals to everything. Even with such mess manifesting , I will support Obama to the very end because no devil in hell could convince me to do otherwise. I am anchored in what Obama stands for and sad to see what so many so called Americans claim to say they stand for.

Posted by: Nisey01 | June 12, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Funny how "False Charges of Offensive Remarks" do not make Obama's smear list.


- the smears against Bill Clinton

- the attacks on Gerry Ferraro

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Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

One would expect America to be above this sort of rhetoric. Those which have respect and love for their country should find it apalling to participate in such a mess. I commend Obama on his ability to be above such and for his effort to continously work towards a better tommorrow for the people and not engage in such mediocre matters. We the people of America have arrived at such a dysfunctional society behind such mess as is manifesting at present. Value yourselves above such that we together can forward our generations and ourselves a better tommorrow for all. God Bless America. OBAMA 08!

Posted by: Nisey01 | June 12, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama does not care about the smears he has smeared about Hillary Rodham Clinton. Today, I receieved a Letter from a Reverend from the Obama Campaign. I am sorry but the Seperation of Church and State is a Real Issue which our Nation is/was founded upon. Hyprocrits come in all colors.

Posted by: Jodi | June 12, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Obama's birth certificate must be fake because any real American knows that muslims are hatched from slimy pods and not really "born". Who IS this man, Barack Obama? Certainly his ability to enrage so many uneducated anonymous internet addicts simply by existing makes him suspect! And he is also black. LOOK OUT

Posted by: Please WaPo, start MODERATING! | June 12, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Fight the powers that smear; they will not succeed in giving every Democratic Presidential nominee a black eye, especially with disgusting attacks aimed at diminishing the "black guy" as a "black muslim" when he's really a Christian, and a Presidential candidate who happens to be black.

Posted by: eljefejesus | June 12, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Not that all republicans are racists, but that the republican party condones their most racist supporters to spread false personal attacks about a Democrat.

Just because Barack is black, they think he is vulnerable to being talked about as if he weren't a Christian and to call him a black muslim instead.

It's amazing how many people are not only willing to believe it, but how many stupid people want to believe the lie in any of its many forms.

Posted by: eljefejesus | June 12, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

"Sorry if I upset anyone. That "birth certificate" is a fake."

The only person who is clearly "upset" here is Aspergirl who needs to offer up her brilliant theory as to why Senator Obama would need to post a "fake" birth certificate in the first place. I am waiting for the explanation because I need a good laugh.

Posted by: maria | June 12, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I am absolutely sure that if Obama could speak on this board he would denounce Tom3 and say he is not a supporter he wishes to have on his team.
As for me, an Obama supporter, if Obama himself began to present himself the way Tom3 does, I would be voting for McCain. So, while I don't understand clinton supporters reaction to Obama, I do understand your reaction to extremely insulting so-called Obama supporters.
Obama/Sebelius 08!

Posted by: 1rap | June 12, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

"Barack Obama supposedly gave up his Islamic faith and became a Christian, which is punishable by death according to the teachings of the Islamic Mullahs and their interpetation of the Quaran. Again, according to their teachings, Barack Obama has a death sentence on him that requires any of the faithful believers in Islam to execute that death sentence on him as an act for Allah."

Nice try, numbnut.

You are not "born" a muslim and Barack Obama never adopted that faith anyway so he is not an apostate. He is a practicing Christian. Some total loser tried this argument in an editorial and was subsequently shredded by numerous Islamic scholars and Theologians.

Posted by: maria | June 12, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

>>veracitanical wrote: " I am a software engineer"

That's not a real engineer. You are a computer programmer with some process design considerations thrown in. "Software engineer" is to electrical engineering what "domestic engineer" is to mechanical engineering. And "entrepreneur" is just small business. You're a hack or you write your own little shareware that you put on CNET to download. In any case, you wouldn't be shrilling about photoshop experience if you were real computer programmer OR engineer, or how you've been photoshopping since 1993.

As far as the various versions of JPEG are concerned, regular JPEG has worse ringing and blocking effects than JPEG 2000, which definitely does use JPEG, so it doesn't matter which version of JPEG I cited, you dummy.

And the fact that you don't know that the same mathematical artifacts would apply to a cosine transform as a series of cosines and sines, when as a lifelong "photoshopper" you should know that ringing occurs with any JPEG anyways, shows how incoherent your grasp of the mathematics behind the algorithms are.

And I seriously doubt you have any professional gravitas in whatever you do:

"I've been working with photoshop by the way since 1993 so unless you will lie and say you have more experience on it then me , please shut your F-ing stink hole on this."

No really gifted engineer talks to others like that, especially someone whose mind is clear enough to appreciate complex mathematics.

And I wasn't going on about my expertise, you were challenging me with your bragging, and you don't even associate what I described as the "Gibbs phenomenon" with what any lifelong "photoshop" flunky like you should recognize.

And graduating as a "software engineer" from "one of the best engineering schools in the country" still doesn't make you a real engineer but a glorified computer programmer. And judging from your ignorant statements and foul language, I doubt your stories altogether. If you went to a good school, you wouldn't be verbally abusive and brag about knowing things that you didn't.

Going to a great college is kind of like a man having a big enough manhood. You don't have to go around raving and bragging about knowing more than you actually do to people who intimidate you intellectually. Just like a guy who resorts to claiming to have more than he does when trying to face down a woman who intimidates him sexually.

You're impotent, dude.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Let's cut more taxes and borrow money to have good life and let our children pay for the war, collapsing bridges and natural disasters. Actually, they probably won't be able to repay the debt, since the education they are getting from us is not marketable in the XXI century. Then, let's vote McCain in and stay in the long past times. My gut feeling is this attitude will work.

Posted by: thought1 | June 12, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

These false information campaigns were started by the clinton campaign. That fact combined with the derogatory comments by her supporters is the reason for the tension from the Obama supporters.

Posted by: 1rap | June 12, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

fightthesmears.org is a you've been Rick Rolled PORN SITE!!

Posted by: Claire | June 12, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse


VERACITANICAL - WILL YOU MARRY ME???

Posted by: Claire | June 12, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

"Barack Obama supposedly gave up his Islamic faith and became a Christian, which is punishable by death according to the teachings of the Islamic Mullahs and their interpetation of the Quaran."

That is so silly. For two reasons.

1) He was a minor, so he has an out. There'd have to be a fatwa anyway, and such a fatwa would be regarded among muslims as incredibly CS.

2) They just have to wait until whoever is sworn in as President of the United States. Then they can go after that person on much more satisfying grounds. You forget: we're the Great Satan.

Posted by: fzdybel | June 12, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, where have you been? I've missed your wonderful stories about Senator Obama. Are you still pushing your idea that he is secretly an Arab from his Kenyan birth certificate based on blood percentages?

We have missed you. Glad you're back. Stay on your meds. It'll help when you have to say President Obama.

Posted by: Crazy Girl | June 12, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

"Barack Obama supposedly gave up his Islamic faith and became a Christian, which is punishable by death"

Doesn't count if you're a minor. In any case there has to be a fatwa, and as fatwas go that one would be regarded among muslims as increadibly CS.

Posted by: fzdybel | June 12, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

"All of this has nothing to do with several facts. a) ..."

No, no, I think where she is going with this is that she expects the certificate should identify the race of Sen. Obama's father as "ARAB" instead of "AFRICAN." Of course it's not the case and no decent person could possibly consider it could matter in any case.

This one is strictly for those who are not so decent.

Posted by: fzdybel | June 12, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama supposedly gave up his Islamic faith and became a Christian, which is punishable by death according to the teachings of the Islamic Mullahs and their interpetation of the Quaran. Again, according to their teachings, Barack Obama has a death sentence on him that requires any of the faithful believers in Islam to execute that death sentence on him as an act for Allah.

Posted by: truthbetold | June 12, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

ASPER GIRL ,WOULD YOU MARRY ME!

Posted by: TIM | June 12, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain
HERO JOHN MCCCAIN,

I CANT BELIEVE WHAT I AM READING IN WIKIPEDIA.

THIS MAN IS SO HUMBLE AND MR.

OBAMA CAN'T DEAL WITH HIS EXPERIENCE!
NO WAY!

Posted by: Tim | June 12, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

aspergirl,

The only way that you can have the time to sit online and spit nonsense like you do is if you have nothing else to do in your trailer. Do yourself a favor and lay off the meth while you try to respond to posts...it is not helping your case.

JPEG compression has nothing to do with wavelets, that is an entirely different form of compression that is used in JPEG 2000 which is quite different from the discrete cosine transform used in JPEG.

You mentioned you were an engineer and you are going off on your expertise in finding out Gibbs phenomena in images you claim are manipulated and I can't do the same? At least in my case the truth is behind me and no I have a degree from one of the best engineering schools in the country. I am a software engineer and entrepreneur...illustration and graphic design are skills I acquired just for fun. Your butchering of definitions for JPEG compression, wavelets and the Gibbs phenomena shows your lack of credentials quite clearly, you're doing a great job putting your own foot in your mouth. If I were you I'd shut up, but I am not..and likely because you are stupid, you'll keep talking.

All of this has nothing to do with several facts.

a) If Barak was born some where else it doesn't matter since his parents citizenship make him as eligible to vote as McSame's makes him.

b) If he was identified as Muslim or not is irrelevant, this is a SECULAR government...the beauty of it is any citizen regardless of religious conviction can run for office.

You and your right wing shills just want to use fear on your equally chicken brained brethren to have them vote against their interest for a third time, it is not going to happen this time. Okay you can go get another hit of that meth that you have been using all afternoon you hack.

Posted by: veracitanical | June 12, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Sorry if I upset anyone. That "birth certificate" is a fake.

over and out.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

From the analysis of .jpg artifacts to the price of arugula. It's just amazing what all a person needs to know these days to be an informed voter.

Y'all are hilarious. Have you finished your discussion of who is qualified to discuss the authentication of an image of a certified copy of a birth certificate whose detail prove nothing of any particular significance?

Posted by: fzdybel | June 12, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh Aspergirl, I am just hopelessly lost in Obama's hypnotic spell. Oh save me for I can't read, listen or manage to think for myself! I need to be lectured by wise True Patriots such as yourself who clearly have been chosen by a higher power to endlessly haunt the blogs spreading the TRUTH.

And thanks for that intense diatribe on arugula! Perhaps I need to start switching to watercress.

Posted by: maria | June 12, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

>>VirginiaGal2 wrote: "The image is 108K, not 502K."

OK, I think I understand the disconnect. You have to click on the image at dailykos and then the larger image will load. It's the full-sized version that has the visible artifacts and other things I was talking about. You can't see them on the smaller (reduced size) image.

In the reduced size image you will have whatever image processing and/or forgery effects there are, plus the image compression, if any, and then image resampling effects. And everything would be too mucked up by then to see anything meaningful.

There isn't any point to continuing the technical points debate.

The simple and most obvious fact is that the birth certificate has ZERO provenance information, no name in the Obama family or campaign to vouch for its authenticity who provided it, and it's not a certified copy.

No more "technical" discussion of the image. The non-technical flaws of the "evidence" are big enough that no respectable journalist would even include it in a story who wasn't breaking rules to do Obama a favor.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

RRT-MD- Indonesia is a mostly muslim country. Schools there are also called madrassas . This does not mean it is the same thing as the schools you see in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan where kids are being indoctrinated with some form of extremist Islam. The school Obama attended was secular not muslim and it was GRADE SCHOOL.

You are reaching and failing.

Posted by: maria | June 12, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

>>maria wrote: "Keep it up, you are doing a FANTASTIC job, really. Me, I've just been seduced by clever Barry because I too love arugula salads..."

I keep telling you your candidate is a phony and a liar and you're not listening.

Look, all that "arugula" stuff is a big lie. The price of arugula at Whole Foods hasn't changed in years. Organic food hasn't suffered from the same price inflation that cheap factory farm food has. Organic food doesn't use the artificial chemicals and fertilizers like potash that have inflated so much lately. And no farmer is going to switch from farming expensive organic boutique crops to farming biofuels corn because corn is $1 more per bushel this year.

In my area, half a clamshell of arugula at Whole Foods is $3.99 and has been for a couple of years. I bought one a couple of weeks ago.

I think that most people who are not fact-oriented have no clue how relentlessly phony and lying Barack Obama is. Half the stuff that comes out of his mouth is either vague inspirational talk, misguided naive policy that he'll backpedal on 24 hours later, or lies. If you understand what he's talking about, you can tell what a BS artist he is.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

"Liberalism - Belief in governent authority and responsibility, respect for communist and socialist institutions and traditions, a resolute commitment to surrender, a willingness to attack principled moral stands."

Not that I care what you think a liberal is, but you'd be surprised, jive turkey. Here is the accepted definition of liberalism:

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

liberalism

SYLLABICATION: lib·er·al·ism
PRONUNCIATION: lbr--lzm, lbr-
NOUN: 1. The state or quality of being liberal. 2a. A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority. b. often Liberalism The tenets or policies of a Liberal party. 3. An economic theory in favor of laissez-faire, the free market, and the gold standard. 4. Liberalism a. A 19th-century Protestant movement that favored free intellectual inquiry, stressed the ethical and humanitarian content of Christianity, and de-emphasized dogmatic theology. b. A 19th-century Roman Catholic movement that favored political democracy and ecclesiastical reform but was theologically orthodox.
OTHER FORMS: liber·al·ist --NOUN
liber·al·istic (-lstk) --ADJECTIVE

Posted by: fzdybel | June 12, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

>> veracitanical wrote: "oh aspergergirl, guess what I am an engineer ( a real one I don't just play it on the internet like you) and I also happen to be a pretty darned good illustrator and graphic designer and your talk of Gibbs phenomena belies your stupidity as well as your attempts at deceit on this matter. I could tell you didn't even look it up as the Gibbs phenomena has nothing to do with jpeg artifacts, jpeg is a discrete cosine transform based encoding NOT a fourier based one. Secondly, looking at birth certificate I don't see any evidence to indicate it was modified in photoshop. I've been working with photoshop by the way since 1993 so unless you will lie and say you have more experience on it then me , please shut your F-ing stink hole on this. You got called on the font nonsense you mentioned earlier showing your ignorance of the fact that reprinted certificates are obviously printed using new computers (the original machines obviously no longer in use) and the print shown at the KOS is obviously a reprint. So you were either ignorant of this fact or you were being disingenuous to make your stupid claims ..either doesn't bode well for your claims to authority on being able to divine false from true images."
Posted by: veracitanical | June 12, 2008 7:40 PM

Wow, where to begin with that incoherent rant? This is going to be fun!

"guess what I am an engineer ( a real one I don't just play it on the internet like you) and I also happen to be a pretty darned good illustrator and graphic designer"

You are an engineer, illustrator and graphic designer. You mean you flunked out of engineering school and you're working as a flunky in a web developer shop?

"and your talk of Gibbs phenomena belies your stupidity as well as your attempts at deceit on this matter. I could tell you didn't even look it up as the Gibbs phenomena has nothing to do with jpeg artifacts, jpeg is a discrete cosine transform based encoding NOT a fourier based one."

Look up the mathematics of Gibbs phenomenon. It is synonymous with "ringing". If you look up JPEG compression, you'll see the term "ringing". So someone like you can connect the dots. I was just using the classical term for the phenomenon. And a cosine transform IS related to a Fourier transform, you know. A Fourier transform is a series of sines and cosines. You must have flunked out of engineering school before you got past the sophomore year. Or you have a 2-year Associates of engineering from a community college near your ghetto. Because the cosine transform is a continuous function having certain properties, and because the JPEG is wavelet-based, a discontinuity would result in the same kind of ringing that a Fourier transform would produce. It's not hard to mathematically prove that cosine transforms would produce a Gibbs effect, too. You can look up the proof and work it out yourself (if you're really an engineer).

" I've been working with photoshop by the way since 1993 so unless you will lie and say you have more experience on it then me , please shut your F-ing stink hole on this. "

Well, as an engineer you have worked with photoshop? Why are you working with photoshop? An engineer who understands what I'm saying would work with the algorithms directly and not even mention photoshop. That's like an automotive engineer reciting his experiences at Jiffy Lube.

You sure talk like a professional.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Daryl: I guess McCain can't tarnish because he is a calcified fossil?

Posted by: maria | June 12, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't find "The Truth" very truthful, unless you will accept OBH's word as gospel. One example, in one of his books, he states that he went to a Muslim grammar school. By definition, a madrassa is a Muslim school.

About Michele's use of 'whitey' - I can't believe that a black child in Chicago had never used that term - as for "the tape doesn't exist" - Obama should know from his education that you can't prove a negative.

In other words, the site is bull crap!

Posted by: RRT-MD | June 12, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Yes Aspergirl, I am just here to harass the deep thinkers like Lynn and yourself who hang around here day in and day out doing the Lord's Work warning the world about Dangerous Lying "MUSLINS" from Africa who go to Christian Churches where evil Pastors actually have the temerity to question our flawed foreign policy.

Keep it up, you are doing a FANTASTIC job, really. Me, I've just been seduced by clever Barry because I too love arugula salads and politicians who can speak in complete sentences about serious issues.

Posted by: maria | June 12, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, you're not making sense.

Yes, it would scan differently. Yes, images with different characteristics would scan differently. I've seen it - no need to guess - particularly if the paper is "textured" with an underlying pattern and/or reflective sheen.

Yes, blocking and ringing would occur after scanning, typically when you take the original big image and shrink it down. That's normally when they do occur, best I can tell, but I would think not necessarily the only time they could occur.

The image is 108K, not 502K. That's probably fairly smushed. There is an underlying pattern in the entire image, which is generally used for government documents. That adds to the document's complexity.

If you do any decent scanning, you're going to have a much bigger image. Try doing some desktop publishing to get some feel for how much data you really lose. It's VERY obvious when you print things, especially on good paper.

You don't appear to be an expert who can argue scientific points of image processing either - and I frankly would go to someone else to check anything you came up with, just as I checked your references to ringing. Oddly enough, I have enough math background to follow it with no problem.

No reason for anyone to care, but I have a lot of computer science and mathematics at both the grad and undergrad level, so I shouldn't have any problem following logical (please note qualifying adjective) arguments, and checking them for specious BS, even if this isn't what I do for a living.

Frankly, my personal experience with desktop publishing seems to be more relevant to common-sense evaluation of the relevance of your comments.

I don't know what a certified copy in Hawaii looks like. I doubt you do either. I would think it likely to require a signature. This copy does not have a signature. This copy does have the state seal. I'm not going to assume one way or the other, particularly as I really don't care if it's certified or not.

Yes, you are wasting my time, but it's mine to waste. Please, AsperGirl, come home from Moonbat Village.

Posted by: VirginiaGal2 | June 12, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else find it odd that these little tin media gods tarnish and rust out so quick? Yet they keep trotting them out, all shiny and bright, and at the first drop of competition they begin to turn to rust,crumble, and finally dissolve into oblivion.
This time next year this guy will still only be a third year of his first term jr. senator from that ONCE great state of ill noise.

Posted by: daryl | June 12, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

oh aspergergirl, guess what I am an engineer ( a real one I don't just play it on the internet like you) and I also happen to be a pretty darned good illustrator and graphic designer and your talk of Gibbs phenomena belies your stupidity as well as your attempts at deceit on this matter. I could tell you didn't even look it up as the Gibbs phenomena has nothing to do with jpeg artifacts, jpeg is a discrete cosine transform based encoding NOT a fourier based one. Secondly, looking at birth certificate I don't see any evidence to indicate it was modified in photoshop. I've been working with photoshop by the way since 1993 so unless you will lie and say you have more experience on it then me , please shut your F-ing stink hole on this. You got called on the font nonsense you mentioned earlier showing your ignorance of the fact that reprinted certificates are obviously printed using new computers (the original machines obviously no longer in use) and the print shown at the KOS is obviously a reprint. So you were either ignorant of this fact or you were being disingenuous to make your stupid claims ..either doesn't bode well for your claims to authority on being able to divine false from true images.

I am glad that no matter how much crap you spout you won't be able to change one thing, that Barak Obama is going to be the next president of the United States.

Gotta love living through history!

Posted by: veracitanical | June 12, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

>>bondjedi wrote: "A better question - will you get off your lazy, spamming can and get it yourself? It's a public record, dumb@ss."

Listen, great Jedi master Verbally-Abusive-Ghetto-Trash, this is not publicly available. Even dailykos quotes The National Review's Jim Geraghty as writing:

"Could they release a copy of his birth certificate? Reporters have asked for it and been denied, and the state of Hawaii does not make such records public [...]"

The Geraghy article is at (http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTgxZmIwNTg0OWVhMWJkODNmZjI4ZjY4Mjg2OWRmNzI=)

This "birth certificate", really screwy and with no provenance or certification, appears out of nowhere on dailykos.

The Obamas and the Obama campaign should be asked to provide a certified hard copy of his birth certificate.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

"Lynn Parker. "Muslin" is a type of cotton fabric. Are you saying that Obama is made out of cloth? Oh my gosh how could I have voted for a sheet? And an African sheet at that! I demand a recount!"

I think what you are looking for is a "thread count".

This just proves that Obama bots are supposed to hang around on forums and argue pointlessly and harass other posters.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Lynn Parker. "Muslin" is a type of cotton fabric. Are you saying that Obama is made out of cloth? Oh my gosh how could I have voted for a sheet? And an African sheet at that! I demand a recount!

Posted by: maria | June 12, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl

I hope propagandists such as your self waste MONTHS on that one!!!

Awesome......I hope they blow millions on hate ads and propaganda!!!

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | June 12, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

"Will the Obamas or the Obama campaign formally release a certified copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate?"

A better question - will you get off your lazy, spamming can and get it yourself? It's a public record, dumb@ss.

Posted by: bondjedi | June 12, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

>>VirginiaGal2 wrote: "Jpgs are lossy. I wouldn't be surprised if that loss is similar to the Gibbs phenomenon, although I'd have to dig into it to verify - with the way it's expressed at edges, it would make sense, at first thought.

"The background paper has a "texture" image and may also have an anti-counterfeiting image/sheen on it, which is going to make the background scan differently from the text overprint."

It probably does scan differently, but it wouldn't process differently, once scanned. The blocking and ringing would have occurred after scanning.

The blocking and ringing could come from an old, crappy image processing package. It would be the old JPEG, not JPEG 2000 that would produce that degree of blocking and ringing with a low level of compression.

The image data footprint is 502K bytes. That's not a highly compressed image. The image itself as a limited data bandwidth, having limited colors in the palette and limited shades. I.e. it's not a photo with many colors and a lot of structure. An image that size with a limited palette at 502K bytes is not a highly compressed image.

"I have dabbled in desktop publishing and to me the image doesn't look processed - it looks messy, like a jpg mashed down to load quickly."

Well that makes you an expert who can argue scientific points of image artifacts of lossy compression versus computer forgery. Did you stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, too?

"I don't, offhand, know if this is a certified copy or not."

It doesn't take an expert to tell if the document is certified. There is no "certified copy" "certified by" or other certification on it and no certifying official's stamp or signature.

You won't even admit that there's no certification on it.

This is a waste of time.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

LETS GET OUR PRIORITIES IN ORDER. FIRST IMPEACH BUSH, HE REALLY DESERVES THAT STARRING ROLE. LET CHENEY TRY TO LIVE OUT THE YEAR AS HIS SUBSTITUTE, IF HIS HEART HOLDS OUT. LET THE PEOPLE SEE THAT SNEARING UGLY FACE OF HIS CORNERED AND REVEALED FOR WHAT HE IS! WE KNOW WHAT HE ISN'T - A HUMAN BEING!NOW NOBAMA REALLY HAS SECOND PLACE. HE SURE DOES HAVE A LOT TO DEFEND HIMSELF ABOUT IF HE HAS TO SPEND A RANSOM TO TRY TO KEEP THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION FROM KNOWING WHAT A LIEING S.O.B. HE REALLY IS, AND WIFEY IS RIGHT BEHIND HIM! I THINK HILLARY UNDERESTIMATED THE PEOPLE THIS TIME BY THINKING HER STEPPING OUT OF THE RACE WOULD UNIFY THE DEMS. NOT SO!
A MUSLIN IS A MUSLIN IS A MUSLIN AND NOT AN AMERICAN WHO BELIEVES IN THE FREEDOMS THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON! LET HIM GO BACK TO KENYA WHERE HE BELONGS!

Posted by: LYNN PARKER | June 12, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

That's funny, the GOP said the word "liberal" as a bad word, so many times.....

They weren't talking about Democrats...they are trying to disenfranchise a whole party....it worked for a while.......but now once a Democrat....I am now a liberal.

.....and proud of it........it's a new era for liberals...........and I'll kick your a-ss as well as talk philosophy.........


Yall fake Republicans don't get it!! I don't care about the conservatives anymore. Why?

Because they are cowards......how many of them stood up against the invasion of Iraq? One.....two.....? Talk about mis-guided spending.......

I don't mean votes either...
I mean stand UP and BE the dissent........in the media....in Congress......in public of YOUR Party.......cowards.....

oh.....I'm sorry.......thanks Ron Paul...

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | June 12, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

When you cannot win fair (think 2000 and the Florida votes), you will do anything to win. Remember the swift boat ads (2004)? Innuendoes, outright lies, anything to win. Same ole Republicans, same ole tactics.
It is up to us as Americans to say no to those who would usurp our vote by any means, especially foul.

Posted by: abby0802 | June 12, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Manolete: Ole!

Posted by: Picador | June 12, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I agree that this should be looked into very soon. I found a post from chaos45i just a minute ago with google. Dating back before Feb 2007. It seems this guy has already been out there.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to Liberals, if you could find a job, You would have no Social Security or retirement and you don't have to show up. You buy arugula in a local store to which you are be perpetually indebted because they burn corn in cars now. You would live in a tarpaper shack, owned by Rezco, your employer. Your wife and children would be slaving in campaigns because your ego is so immense. Women would be forbidden to vote. (well one good thing)

The 0-hour workweek, Minimum Wage Law which results in unemployment, Social Security which results in bankruptcy,

go Libs!

Posted by: loony libs | June 12, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

manolete: thanks for the laugh

Posted by: maria | June 12, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I am not surprised by the political filth that denies Barack Osama's faith In Lord Jesus. However, I am sadden that too many, who identify themselves as Christians, are shamelessly participating in the denial. Many have left Islam and given up much to follow our only Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus. Yet, as with Obama, we are viewed by fellow Christians with suspicion and presumption that can only come from vile hearts.

Questioning the truthfulness of our (former Muslims) faith in Lord Jesus, would be laughable if not for being so sad; that it creates a grievous commonality between Christians and Muslims: We that have converted to followers of Lord Jesus, did so merely for personal gain (as though converting to Lord Jesus has opened political, social and economic doors for majority us). Well, yes, we did convert for personal gain; for what is gained eternal rather than the temporal, conceived in wicked minds. Nonetheless, I believe I speak for all of us, including Obama, in saying to those Christians and Muslims which seek to deny us the inheritance we have in Christ Jesus: Whatever is said and may come, I am thankful my justification does not rest upon your acceptance, the grace of our Lord Jesus is infinitely sufficient. Amen

Regards,

Joseph

Posted by: Joseph Jibran | June 12, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse


McCain and many Republicans....

.....are toe tappers....

...that have allot of "coming out" to do?

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | June 12, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Osama Hussain

I ain't votin fer him. I'll take the crooked chick instead.

Posted by: the Dem base | June 12, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse


It is strange that some dislike Liberals.

Were it not for Liberals, you would probably be working 60 to 80 hours a week for subsistence wages, if you could find a job. You would have no Social Security or retirement. You would buy food in a company store to which you would be perpetually indebted. You would live in a tarpaper shack, owned by your employer. Your wife and children would be slaving in sweatshops. Women would be forbidden to vote.

How could you not know that most of what we take for granted in America are products of Liberal thinking? The 40-hour workweek, Minimum Wage Law, Social Security, Child Labor Laws and Women's Suffrage are all Liberal ideas. The American Revolution was a uniquely Liberal undertaking.

If you genuinely do not like those Liberal notions, there are countries were you will not be troubled by them. Try living in Russia, Saudi Arabia or Iran, for a glimpse of what your life would be without Liberals.

Liberal is NOT a bad word.

Posted by: getcentered | June 12, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, the image almost certainly was processed. When you take a jpg and cut down the resolution to reduce load time, you process it. You lose resolution. That's processing, and it's going to give some change in the image. That's what lossy means.

You typically see blocking artifacts with higher compression ratios. In other words, no kidding. You have a jpg that's had its resolution reduced. It has blocking artifacts! Oh, the humanity!! Oh, what a surprise .. wait a minute ... no surprise. Never mind.

Jpgs are lossy. I wouldn't be surprised if that loss is similar to the Gibbs phenomenon, although I'd have to dig into it to verify - with the way it's expressed at edges, it would make sense, at first thought.

You are going to see blocking artifacts w/small jpgs. No kidding.

The background paper has a "texture" image and may also have an anti-counterfeiting image/sheen on it, which is going to make the background scan differently from the text overprint.

I have dabbled in desktop publishing and to me the image doesn't look processed - it looks messy, like a jpg mashed down to load quickly.

I don't, offhand, know if this is a certified copy or not. First you wanted a copy. You got a copy on dailykos. That wasn't good enough - why wasn't it on the official site? Then you got a copy on the candidate's web site. That wasn't good enough. Now it has to be a certified copy? When you get your certified copy, what will it be next?

Please, for all of our sakes, come home from Moonbat Village.

Posted by: VirginiaGal2 | June 12, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Judy Kilgore: Yes, it is all Obama's fault that some idiots decided to spread the lie that he is a muslim who wants to destroy America from within. I mean what gall he has trying to run for office when his father was from Kenya. I hear that there are also Arabs in Africa! And Saddam tried to buy uranium from Niger! And also Obama SOUNDS like Osama so he MUST be a muslim. That's why they are trying to suppress the video of Michelle wearing a burka while having dinner with Louis Farrakhan. They also hate puppies and Santa Claus.

Did I mention that their little girls are big fans of Trotsky?

Posted by: maria | June 12, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey!!


I'm getting allot of new posty names for my lists of propagandists today.....

I wonder why? Did Rush limp d-k put in some of his own money?

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | June 12, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Liberalism - Belief in governent authority and responsibility, respect for communist and socialist institutions and traditions, a resolute commitment to surrender, a willingness to attack principled moral stands.

It is a movement that draws its inspiration from towering figures: Che guavera, Joseph Stalin, Fidel Castro. It stands for cowardice in foreign adventures, fiscal irresponsibility and a profound respect for movie stars.

Posted by: loony libs | June 12, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl

So what are your assumptions then...

.....about what all your propaganda means?

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | June 12, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again......
For the past eight years the Bush administration tried quite successfully to recreate the reality and in the process lying about what we know is the truth.

Here we go again........
Now Barack Hussein Obama is getting ready to do exactly the same and lie about what we know the truth is....Yes, this is another campaign to twist the truth and create their own reality.

Here we go again....
You can fool people once, twice,.. but you can not fool people all the time. Americans have learned a lesson with George Bush and we will not repeat it with Barack Hussein Obama..beginning with his name..Yes, we know his name is Barack Hussein Obama..and we have videos yo watch, such as the one of his religious leader, his blood "uncle", his pastor for 20 years... Jeremiah Wright, the preacher of hate for America, and yes, we can watch all those videos of Barack Hussein Obama's congregation celebrating the assault and attack of America on 9/11..."the chickens are coming home to roost".........

Here we go again....
Barack Hussein Obama, can say that for 20 years while being part of Jeremiah Wright's congregation of hate for America, all he did was to pray to God and pray for peace and love.....
but we know he is lying and trying to recreate reality.....Yes, just like George Bush....

Here we go again.....
We can be fooled once, twice...but we can not be fooled all the time....Not this time

Posted by: Manolete | June 12, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

The Tribune is reporting that Obama is under active investigation by the U.S. Attorney. It emerged in a letter released by the Judge in which Rezko said agents had pressured him for information on Obama.
The indictment will follow shortly.
Prosecutors leaned on him, Rezko says
Chicago Tribune, United States - 34 minutes ago
By Jeff Coen | Tribune reporter Two months before he was convicted of federal corruption charges, political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko told his trial ...


The importance of the letter is that it shows that the U.S. Attorney is very actively investigating Obama, and has been for a number of years. The telling remark in the letter is this one:
"They are pressuring me to tell them the 'wrong' things that I supposedly know about Governor Blagojevich and Senator Obama...."
This means that the U.S. Attorney already has a list of specific indictable offenses against Obama. What the U.S. Attorney did was to make a list of the illegal acts and then tell Rezko to confirm them. This is standard operating procedure. Rezko did not confirm them, but you should note that the U.S. Attorney would never have placed this list in front of Rezko unless there was already testimony in support of the illegal acts. Indeed, U.S. Attorneys don't look for supplementary confirmations of the Rezko type, unless there is already ample evidence to convict. There is overwhelming evidence already, based on the positions of the people who have already entered into plea bargains or who have been convicted.


Obama will shortly be indicted under 18 USC 1346, which is the same provision under which Rezko was convicted.
There will be MANY counts in Obama's indictment, more than there were in Rezko's. This will give you details about one of the indictments, concerning the board legislation which Obama sponsored as part of a criminal enterprise. Both Rezko and Obama are members of the Syrian Mafia, which trades--corporately--under the name General Mediterranean and is headed by NadhmiAuchi.
I don't think I need to add that if Obama is elected, the Syrian mafia will be running the United States Government. Patrick Fitzgerald, hurry up.
Below is a discussion of the board legislation by Evelyn Pringle, who published a very detailed series on Obama's crimes at opednews.com. These articles have been cited around the world.
Following her discussion is a link to a discussion, also reproduced, of 18 USC 1346, which, again is the section under which Obama will be prosecuted.
First, Evelyn's discussion:

The evidence presented in "Tony Rezko's] trial focused on his influence over officials in getting members appointed to the Boards. Prosecutors did not discuss how the legislation got passed that enabled the Planning Board to be set up in a way that allowed for the appointment of members to rig the votes to begin with. That part of the scheme will likely be detailed in future indictments, probably starting with Blagojevich. Blagojevich signed the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Act with an effective date of June 27, 2003. However, before he could sign the act, a bill had to be passed by the Illinois House and Senate. As discussed fully in Curtain Time Part II, Obama was the inside guy in the senate who pushed through the legislation that resulted in the Act. Obama was appointed chairman of the Senate Health and Human Services Committee. The minute the bill was introduced, it was referred to his committee for review. The sponsors of the bill also served on this committee with Obama. Within a month, Chairman Obama sent word to the full senate that the legislation should be passed. On May 31, 2003, Senate Bill 1332 passed and specified that the "Board shall be appointed by the Governor, with the advice and consent of the Senate." The legislation reduced the number of members from 15 to 9, paving the way for the appointment of a five-bloc majority to rig the votes. The corrupt members appointed included three doctors who contributed to Obama. Michel Malek gave Obama $10,000 on June 30, 2003 and donated $25,000 to Blagojevich on July 25, 2003. Malek also gave Obama another $500 in September 2003. Fortunee Massuda donated $25,000 to Blagojevich on July 25, 2003, and gave a total of $2,000 to Obama on different dates. After he was appointed, Dr Imad Almanaseer contributed a total of $3,000 to Obama. Almanaseer did not give money to Blagojevich. When the first pay-to-play scheme was put in play, and the application for approval of a new hospital was submitted, the Department of Human Services, along with four other Illinois agencies, sent recommendations that the project should be approved even though experts said the hospital was not needed. During the trial, Rezko's attorney presented an email exchange to the jury that hinted at Obama's role in setting up the scheme. The exchange showed that Obama and seven other top Illinois politicians consulted on the legislation passed in 2003 and were involved in recommending the members for the board. Matthew Pickering wrote the memo to Blagojevich's general counsel, Susan Lichtenstein, on behalf of David Wilhelm, a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, who headed Blagojevich's 2002 campaign for governor. Pickering said he and Wilhelm had "worked closely" over six months with state legislators. The memo recommended the appointees listed above and stated, "our attached recommendations reflect that involvement" with the political leaders. The persons appointed to rig the votes, including those who contributed to Blagojevich and Obama, are cooperating in exchange for immunity or lighter prison sentences. Feds shut down pay-to-play schemes. Only two pay-to-play schemes succeeded before the Feds swooped in and shut them all down. Blagojevich did not receive the $1.5 million from the Planning Board deal because the hospital was never built. But Obama received $20,000 from the first kickback paid in the pension fund scheme and the straw donors used to funnel the $10,000 payments, Elie Maloof and Joseph Aramanda, also made $1,000 contributions to Obama's failed run for Congress in 2000. In addition, Aramanda gave $500 to Obama's senate campaign on June 30, 2003. In the summer of 2005, Aramanda's son landed an intern position in Obama's Washington office. Obama also received contributions for his senate campaign from the two persons appointed to rig the vote on the pension fund board. On June 30, 2003, Jack Carriglio contributed $1,000, and the other appointee, Anthony Abboud, donated $500 on June 30, 2003, $250 on March 5, 2004, and $1,000 on June 25, 2004. The person chosen to funnel the kickback in a future scheme, Michael Winter, donated $3,000 to Obama on June 30, 2003. All these people are also cooperating in exchange for immunity or lesser prison sentences but prosecutors pointed out during closing arguments that people who entered into agreements with the government are required to tell the truth or all deals are off.

And now the discussion of the law under which Obama will go to prison, 18 USC 1346:

http://www.groom.com/_library/downloads/NAPPAArticle-Feb2006.pdf.
This article provides brief guidance as to the manner in which courts have interpreted 18 U.S.C. § 1346, which generally provides that for purposes of federal mail and wire fraud statutes (18 U.S.C. §§ 1341 and 1343, respectively), a "scheme or artifice to defraud" includes a "scheme or artifice to deprive another of the intangible right to honest services." Specifically, this article examines the manner in which courts have interpreted the broad language of § 1346 in circumstances that do not involve the explicit bribery of public officials.
I.
Background
18 U.S.C. § 1346 was enacted in 1988, for purposes of reversing the Supreme Court's decision in McNally v. U.S.,483 U.S. 350 (1987). In McNally, the Supreme Court overruled a long line of lower court decisions by holding that the federal mail and wire fraud statutes did not encompass schemes to defraud citizens of an intangible right to honest government service from pubic officers. Id. at 355. By enacting 18 U.S.C. § 1346, Congress restored "honest services" within the ambit of the federal mail and wire fraud statutes, meaning that a scheme to deprive the public of "honest services" by a public official could be punished as mail or wire fraud (assuming, of course, that such an instrumentality was used as part of the scheme or artifice).
II.
Judicial Interpretations of the "Honest Services" Fraud
A.
General Parameters of the Statute
Not surprisingly, the majority of cases that have analyzed the "honest services" fraud set forth in 18 U.S.C. § 1346 have involved the bribery of public officials, where the charge under § 1346 is in addition to other charges. However, there have been numerous prosecutions under § 1346 against public officials (and those who have corrupted public officials) for transactions that do not involve outright bribery, but which nonetheless involve the provision of cash or gifts to a public official in exchange for the public official's exercise of power on behalf of the individual or entity providing the gratuity.
Courts have recognized that the term "honest services," as used in § 1346, is incredibly broad, but the statute has survived repeated challenges asserting that it is unconstitutionally vague, with courts resorting to a "common sense" usage of the phrase "honest services." In rejecting a constitutional void-for-vagueness challenge to the statute's wording, one court opined that "[c]oncrete parameters outlining the duty of honest services should not be necessary. . . . The concept of the duty of honest services sufficiently conveys warning of the proscribed conduct when measured in terms of common understanding and practice." U.S. v. ReBrook, 837 F. Supp. 162, 171 (S.D. W. Va. 1993), aff'd. 58 F.3d 961 (4 th Cir. 1995). Another court demonstrated little patience for the defendant's void-for-vagueness challenge in the context of a kickback scheme, holding that "[i]t should be plain to ordinary people that offering and accepting large sums of money in exchange for a city councilman's vote is a type of conduct proscribed by the language of § 1346." U.S. v. Paradies, 98 F.3d 1266, 1283 (11 th Cir. 1996). Nonetheless, courts have refused to allow § 1346 to be used as a "catch-all" that subjects every unethical or illegal act to federal mail and wire fraud prosecution. See, e.g., U.S. v. Bloom, 149 F.3d 649, 654-56 (7 th
Cir. 1998) (noting, inter alia, that "not every breach of fiduciary duty works a criminal fraud"); U.S. v. Welch, 327 F.3d 1081, 1107 (10 th Cir. 2003) ("the right to honest services is not violated by every breach of contract, breach of duty, conflict of interest, or misstatement made in the course of dealing"). Recognizing the difficulty of interpreting the undefined phrase "honest services," courts have attempted to establish general criteria that must be satisfied to successfully assert an "honest services" fraud claim. One of the leading circuits interpreting the scope of the honest services fraud is the First Circuit Court of Appeals, which held that: First, . . . honest services convictions of public officials typically involve serious corruption, such as embezzlement of public funds, bribery of public officials, or the failure of public decision-makers to disclose conflicts of interest. Second, . . . the broad scope of the mail fraud statute . . . does not encompass every instance of official misconduct that results in the official's personal gain. Third, and most importantly, . . . the government must not merely indicate wrongdoing by a public official, but must also demonstrate that the wrongdoing at issue is intended to prevent or call into question the proper or impartial performance of the public servant's official duties. U.S. v. Czubinski, 106 F.3d 1069, 1076 (1 st Cir. 1997) (emphasis added) (internal citations and quotations omitted), (discussing the First Circuit's prior decision in U.S. v. Sawyer, 85 F.3d 713, 724 (1996). The Seventh Circuit has held that "[m]isuse of office (more broadly, misuse of position) for private gain is the line that separates run of the mill violations of state law fiduciary duty . . . from federal crime." U.S. v. Bloom, 149 F.3d 649, 655 (7 th Cir. 1998). The court went on to note that "in almost all of the intangible rights cases decided . . . (before McNally or since § 1346), the defendant used his office for private gain, as by accepting a bribe in exchange for official action[,]" but also noted that "[s]ecret conversion of information received in a fiduciary capacity is a form of fraud against the owner of that information." Id. Accordingly, the Seventh Circuit summarized its test for an honest services fraud as follows: "[a]n employee deprives his employer of his honest services only if he misuses his position (or the information he obtained in it) for personal gain" (emphasis added). Id. at 656-57.

Posted by: John Ryskamp | June 12, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Some reporter should ask the Obama campaign about the birth certificate.

Why it just appears on dailykos without any reference as to who released it.

There is no provenance or accountability for its origins.

There is a link from "mybarackobama.com" to it without any reference explicitly stating what it is or its provenance.

There is no explanation as to where it came from or who in Obama's family or campaign vouches for its origins or its authenticity.

It's not certified when Hawaii state code requires that certificates issued by the department of health be certified.

There are imaging artifacts consistent with forgeries and/or image processing that would operate on text differently than background (it has the mathematical attributes of a forgery).

Will the Obamas or the Obama campaign formally release a certified copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate?

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kingofzouk | June 12, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

The Real Republicans have left the building!!

Even those who do not call themselves conservatives must acknowledge the power and enduring value of core conservative beliefs:

Belief in individual agency and responsibility, respect for American institutions and traditions, a resolute commitment to freedom, a willingness to take principled moral stands. It is a movement that draws its inspiration from towering figures: Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, Edmund Burke. It stands for caution in foreign adventures, fiscal sobriety and a profound respect for tradition.

Or at least it used to stand for those things.

Today's conservatism is a caricature of that movement:

It embraces pointless wars, runs up a vast debt, and trashes the Constitution. Selling out their principles for power, abandoning deeply seated American values and traditions simply because someone on "their side" demanded that they do so, conservatives have made a deal with the devil that has reduced their movement to an empty, ends-obsessed shell. How did the party of Lincoln end up marching under the banner of Tom DeLay and Rush Limbaugh, Di-ck Cheney and Ann Coulter?

What happened?

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | June 12, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

They will also blame anyone who didn't support his messiah-ness as a racist.

Never mind that we're just not that into him. or any extreme liberal for the most part.

Posted by: that was me | June 12, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

cc made the news (@ 2:24P.M.), your observations that "One might begin to wonder if there are more people riding on the Obama express than underneath it" and [Obama enemies were] given a pair of cement galoshes and thrown into the Chicago River" were hilarious! Thank you for lending humor to the conversation.

Also, your comment that Obama will handle the "various slings and arrows" by blaming others is right on target. It is ALWAYS "outrageous fortune," meaning anyone and anything outside Obama, himself, who is to blame for Obama's fatal character flaws and the mistakes that ensue therefrom, never the man, himself. That is why Obama will, in the end, fail and fall; it is inevitable. He and his fans will not take responsibility for his fall, however, they will blame Hillary Clinton!

Posted by: Judy Kilgore | June 12, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl: maybe in order to save the nation from a horrible fate you should take up a collection from your conspiracy crazed pals here on this blog and go to Hawaii yourself to unearth a hard copy of Scary Barack's birth certificate because obviously nothing will satisfy you unless you are clutching it within your own shriveled fingers.

Posted by: maria | June 12, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl


that's my girl!!


You toe tappers rock!

I love yall!

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | June 12, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

And there is another coding artifact with JPEG images, known as blocking. There is a different degree of blocking between the background and the letters of the text.

The image is either faked with text added later, or it has been heavily processed in a way that operates on the text differently than the background.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Heather, your pointing out my selective use of quotes is just a distraction from the real issue which is "I did not vote for the war" In fact, I didn' realy vote for much of anything over the years, even when it was actually my job.

Please ignore my previous statement when I said "My position on the war is essentially the same as Bush's. that is also a distraction from my coronation.

Posted by: snObama | June 12, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl

Here...spead this propaganda instead:


"It's not on the proper paper.

The type set is not a confirmed type of the state of Hawaii.

The signature of the document is unconfirmable.

Barack Obama is a muslim.

Democrats are traitor liberal commies."


Etc...etc...run with that!

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | June 12, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Hi there AsperinGirl --

My, my -- you're getting a wee bit SHRILL again. You know better than that.

Contrary to what you've heard, AsperinGirl -- DENIAL is not a river in northeastern Africa.

You are in a groundhog day loop in the grieving process ---you are stuck in ANGER---

Do youself and your longterm sanity a favor and go talk to one of you favorite mental help professionals. Or talk to a person of faith.

Explain to them that you just cannot accept the defeat of the ARC-ANGEL Hillary --- that you have never ever lost at anything else in your entire life and that this is not about Hillary but that it is really all about YOU.

Whoops --did I spill a little secret??? Well I would know wouldn't I? Remember February 7, 2008 -- AsperGirl???

See if they can help you understand the psychological process in which you have come to believe that YOU lost the primary election - and now think that YOU ARE this other important person.

Tell them how you know exactly how Hillary feels -- because that is how you feel.

You feel like Hillary --just like Hillary --
EXACTLY like Hillary.

Explain to your mental health professional that what happened was much worse than a professional politician losing a primary.

Explain that you KNOW it is really about the future of the human race -- and Hillary was going to fix everything and now she has been defeated by the forces of evil and DARKNESS. YOU have been defeated ---It's about YOU -- isn't it my little fruitcake.

Then come back here to your keyboard and blast out another 4 or 5 HUNDRED dreadful rants about the right-wing and left-wing and the men and the media and the DNC and Howard Dean and the church and the Sun and the Moon and the .... terrible devastating loss that you and every other worthwhile human being in the known universe is feeling because Hillary lost.

And, AsperinGirl -- keep making up those lies about Obama and his family ---just to pay him back ... demand to see his birth certificate, his marraige license, his xrays, his worn out socks --anything/everything ---he's driving you mad.

Why?

Well obviously, Hillary is you -- and YOU ARE--- - >> Hillary.

But wait....

Oh God -- Hillary lost.

It's so wrong and unfair.

And she lost to a BLACK MAN.

Arrggghhhhh!

Posted by: GandalftheGrey | June 12, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

"you have nothing but bias that dictates your choice,"

that comment makes zero sense.

My point is that many lifelong Ds and HC will be working for and donating to local Ds, and still not vote for O. Its seems to be a typical left wing purists argument to claim that you either support us 100% or you are a R. Got that message last summer from moveon about Obama which turned off many of their HC members. I went through your exact same sentiments in 1972 when McGovern wrecked the party and it took exactly 20 years and Bill Clinton to recover. Force all of the moderate and conservative Ds out at your peril. If moderates and conservative Ds are no longer welcome, as many here contend, the DNC will once again return to being in the wilderness, and deservedly so. Many of us leaning towards McCain now will wait until the Convention to see if that is the true direction of the party before coming to our final conclusion. These sentiments are being shared by most HC supporters that I have spoken with so you might think twice before dismissing them as 'relics' and aggressively pushing them out of the party, which many here seem intent on.

Posted by: Leichtman | June 12, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Dear Aspergirl: typing in all caps doesn't give turn a turd into gold.

Posted by: maria | June 12, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I find this all amusing. Why is it that two campaigns can run the same ad, but if its your candidate the ad is "honest, truthful, educational" etc; but if it is the other parties candadate the same ad would be called a hate ad, or fear mongering?

It seems to me that Obama is using economic fear mongering, why is this any different? Isn't it using "fear" anytime you suggest that a candidate is going to create policies that might hurth you in some way?

So what does this mean? That Obama is free to speak negatively about McCains policy, and this is just being honest. But if McCain speaks out negatively on Obama's policy, that is fear mongering?

How is Obama saying McCain called for 100 years of war not a fear ad? It is not even what McCain said! Anyone who takes the time to listen to the whole statement would know that he meant being in Iraq for 100 years in the same way as we are in Korea, Germany or Japan.

And as a point of interest, Obama is going to leave us in Iraq in this same way. He never said he was bringing all troops home, just combat troops; he also has said he would leave troops to protect an embassy and America government and civil works.

So, in fact, Obama has said he would do exactly what McCain said, if only people listed to McCains entire "100 years in Iraq" quote.

So who is using negative attack ads?

Posted by: Heather | June 12, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

It's not even certified when Hawaii state law requires all certificates released by the health department be certified.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

"aspergirl, you obviously are looking for any reason not to vote for him so just give it a rest."

Oh shut up. I'm an engineer who can tell when an image is corrupt. That image is corrupt and has been image processed. Someone took it into a graphics processor and did things to it.

If you look at the close-up on dailykos, you can see Gibbs phenomenon curls and waves all around the letters. That is not the original scanned document.

That is a corrupt and/or outright counterfeit image.

This Obama guy is really bad news... scary.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Dear Judy Kilgore: The Obama campaign has set the record straight. Aspergirl will not accept the facts. That is her problem.

When given Obama's birth certificate, it is not good enough. When he explains his feeling about race issues, he is just lying.

There is nothing that can be done to reach people who have so much invested in being "right". Just HOW is Obama supposed to counter the lunatic accusation that he is not "who he claims to be". This is pure idiocy.

Posted by: Maria | June 12, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

If any of you Libs ever embraced a fact about the economy or the war, I think it would be fatal.

Fact - we are winning the war and Al queda is in very bad shape

Fact - we have not been attacked at home again - something is working right

Fact - the economy is most certainly not a disaster, in fact it may be slightly sluggish, but it is incredibly robust and healthy by all typical measures - except the Lib chanting measure, of course.

When you Libs finally get down to reality and we can talk about experience, plans, legislation, etc, you are doomed. you have nothing to stand on, as usual.

Bush Hatred is not a political value.

Posted by: kingofzouk | June 12, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, it has the certificate of the State of Hawaii on it. My guess is that means it's certified.

It is not "linked to a website" - it's ON the official Obama campaign website, and the official site refers to it multiple palces. That's formally released, by any standard.

It's a jpg file, and jpgs are a lossy format.

However, the links provided here are not from dailykos, they are from the official Barack Obama campaign website.

The certificate number is indeed blacked out. So? No benefit in so doing, and some privacy protection.

I would expect some artifacts in a small jpg. Remember, jpg is a lossy format.

The state seal probably is the certification you mention.

In other words, please come home from Moonbat Village.

Posted by: VirginiaGal2 | June 12, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, it has the certificate of the State of Hawaii on it. My guess is that means it's certified.

It is not "linked to a website" - it's ON the official Obama campaign website, and the official site refers to it multiple palces. That's formally released, by any standard.

It's a jpg file, and jpgs are a lossy format.

However, the links provided here are not from dailykos, they are from the official Barack Obama campaign website.

The certificate number is indeed blacked out. So? No benefit in so doing, and some privacy protection.

I would expect some artifacts in a small jpg. Remember, jpg is a lossy format.

The state seal probably is the certification you mention.

In other words, please come home from Moonbat Village.

Posted by: VirginiaGal2 | June 12, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

"Insinuation that he is a Muslim" "Rumors Floating around about him and his wife."

You don't need a website to convince me you need a drug to erase my memory and make you believe pure garbage. Something to make me stupid and vote for him. geesh.

Posted by: Yomama | June 12, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

And then there were two (and one-half)!

From the Ron Paul website:

Ron Paul Announcement Tonight in Texas

We invite you to watch the live video broadcast of Dr. Paul's rally tonight, June 12th, @ 9PM CDT in Houston, TX. Dr. Paul will be making a major announcement, and we would like you to be a part of it.


I think that I'll be watching the Celtics!

Posted by: Nor'Easter | June 12, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I think Chaos45i has the goods on Obama.
It should just be a matter of time now with Chris on the case.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl = Toe tapping republican propagandist? likely.........

That's all you got eh?

Figures......

......you toe tappers can do better than that?

.....or I guess......

Republicans are sad; an angry tragedian...the worst America has to offer...

We have yet to endure the tactical and strategic blunder that the war in Iraq really is.

I know! Why don't we bomb other countries that have schools, water, power, and police for their people? We can quickly lower the population, while creating enemies for our industrial military complex?

How's that sound Republicans?

Bush Sees "Defining Moment" In Iraq? He saw WMD, Al Qaeda; mobile weapons labs, terrorist training facilities, missiles that could reach New York, 45-minute ready chemical weapons, none of which were there.

What he will see is his legacy and his Parties demise, but at least I got my $600 "economic stimulus" check from China!!

You wanna get some Republicans?....lets go.........other wise go sit in the corner with your talking point spewing fallacy of a constituency..... In most areas of the nation, outside the south, the Republican Party could hold a convention in a Phone Booth.

The great Rousseau said it:
"...Conservatives have learned nothing and forgotten nothing"

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | June 12, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Chris: we need your help.

Some one keeps posting under the name of "aspergirl." Now the real "aspergirl" has had a lot of strange posts over the last year or so but her posts have never been so inane and pointless as these recent posts.

It is obvious someone is posting under her name to make her look and sound dumb and foolish and to destroy whatever small measure of credibility she may still have left.

Please Chris, look into this matter and ban the offending poster who masquerades as "aspergirl." We all know the real "aspergirl" cannot be that dumb and foolish as to write all that nonsense.

Chris, help save our aspergirl.

Posted by: Save Our Girl | June 12, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Documents can't be faked. they are all real. I would bet my career on it.

Posted by: Dan Rathers | June 12, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

There seems to be considerable and growing evidence that the November 2008 elections will be a landslide sweep for Democrats up and down the ticket and across the nation. The most recent national polls (e.g., NBC/WSJ) show him widening his lead over McCain across nearly every demogrphic category - including especially -- 61% of those who identify themselves as having voted for Hillary in the Primaries.

The broad midsection of the American political spectrum (including millions of folks who have not voted in years) seems to have passed the tipping point about who is responsible for the disaster befallen our nation. The Republican mismanagement of George W. Bush's misdirected domestic and foreign policies has placed our nation's economy at serious risk: VERY serious risk.

Bush policies and his attempt to impose an "American style" democracy on a Middle East country after removing its leader by force --has cost America its legitimacy as a world leader. This has resulted in our sharply diminished capacity to leverage the price of oil and control the value of the American dollar. A weaker dollar raises the price of oil, and that impacts our foreign markets - our trade imbalance is getting much worse.

What's more, our friends have lost faith in the U.S.A. Bush has run roughshod over American interests here and abroad to impose his highly suspect worldview on both the American people and those countries that we have long counted as our allies.

This mismanagement of the American "brand" has been recognized by the American electorate - and can be seen in the facts related to the huge number of Congressional seats now "in play." Reports today (Cook Report) confirm that scores of additional Republican Congressional districts are now considered ready to shift away from the failures of a "Republican" administration that has spent the nation into near bankruptcy.

Big spending Republicans are directly to blame. That's right - Borrow and Spend - Republicans. What happened to fiscal conservatism? - ask George W. Bush!!

Normally, Congressional seats are not influenced by American foreign policy blunders - but today, a combination of rising unemployment and skyrocketing gas prices have awoken the American voter to the fact that there is a direct connection between Republican foreign policy and economic crises here at home. Our economy and our children's future have been mortgaged to China - so Bush could pay for HIS WAR.

The results seem to be pointing toward a tsunami of voter rejection for Republican candidates who are properly seen as aiding and abetting the Bush War in Iraq and the wholesale transfer of American jobs overseas. Blind support by Republicans for Bush has exacerbated our economic crises. And, the Republican "old hands" know it --- they are retiring from Congress in droves.

This connection between Bush and economic meltdown is the focus of Obama's national message.

The impact of the broadening and deepening economic crisis on Hillary --- is a case in point. Her candidacy and its huge swath of voters are being overwhelmed by the greater issue of anger about our national economic wellbeing. Hillary's courageous run -is not the story any longer - we are all under attack. Our jobs and our homes are under attack.

The result is that Hillary's campaign is but a footnote in a much larger story --- the rise of America against the Bush debacle.

Republicans are deserting their Party's "brand name" and lining up to sweep the entire party's slate of national and state candidates into the dustbin. And, Independent voters are turning their backs on the GOP. National Security starts at home with a strong economy.

The story across this summer will not be the narrowly focused anxiety of a small and rabid group of Hillary supporters - but rather the national outrage at what the Republicans have done to our economy.

Events are overtaking the national dialogue about race and gender -- we are Americans first and we have started doing something about the attack on our national wellbeing.

All Republicans must go---all must be pushed from their seats of power -- and cast aside in 2008. Every single Republican candidate must be held accountable for their support of the Bush Presidency and its horrendous impact on our nation.

From Maine to Hawaii --- Republicans must be defeated so that we can restore our American priorities and American values. They had their chance -they chose to support Bush - they chose to borrow, borrow, borrow and then -spend and spend and spend -- now they must pay.

Posted by: GandalftheGrey | June 12, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

aspergirl, you obviously are looking for any reason not to vote for him so just give it a rest. The guy can do no good according to some. You spout all this crap and like all the other smear peddlers you provide ZERO sources that can be used to confirm all the bull you are vomiting. All that said, lets stop looking at nitpicks over Obama's birth religion (last time I checked the religion a person is inculcated into does not define them) among other non issues..instead lets compare him to McSame. If you can compare the platforms of these guys and find through your delusion that McCain is preferable then you have more problems than just being unable to look at Obama without the strong bias you show. It's funny how many of you are out there making a big deal of flag pins, creating lies about this or that little thing...last month it was Reszko would be the downfall of Obama, that didn't happen. Now it's his bloody birth certificate???. Ridiculous. Luckily the number of vocal racists ...i mean people who want "the truth" like you are quickly dying out of the human population, thank the FSM for that! The world isn't going to lament over any of you.

Posted by: veracitanical | June 12, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Democrats know what to do.

"Anybody who has ever voted for me or voted for Barack has much more in common in terms of what we want to see happen in our country and in the world with the other than they do with John McCain,"

Clinton said on CNN's "The Situation Room."

"I'm going to work my heart out for whoever our nominee is. Obviously, I'm still hoping to be that nominee, but I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me ... understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/14/clinton/index.html


She said voting for McCain would be a GRAVE error.

Thank you Hillary!!!

Posted by: getcentered | June 12, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

IT'S NOT CERTIFIED.

IT'S NOT FORMALLY RELEASED BY THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN OR THE OBAMAS, JUST APPEARS LINKED TO A WEBSITE.

IT'S JUST A CORRUPTED IMAGE OF A DOCUMENT LINKED TO A WEBSITE WITHOUT AN EXPLICIT REFERENCE ("PERSON XXX AT THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN HEADQUARTERS RELEASED THIS IMAGE TO ME AND STATED IT WAS BARACK OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE")

THE CERTIFICATE NUMBER IS BLACKED OUT.

THERE ARE COMPUTER PROCESSING IMAGE ARTIFACTS AND OTHER IMAGE ATTRIBUTES THAT INDICATE THAT THE IMAGE DATEA IS CORRUPTED, A COUNTERFEIT AND/OR COMPUTER PROCESSED AFTER SCANNING.

HAWAII STATE CODE REQUIRES ALL CERTIFICATES ISSUES BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SHALL BE CERTIFIED.

"§338-13 Certified copies.
(a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18."

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Ha! you guys are ridiculous, arguing over the most frivolous information.. this is how Bush ended up to be your president. hey great job America!!! way to dive into a recession, kill people (including your own) and respond to natural disasters at home.,. for a while i was confused, how the hell did Bush get in?? reading these posts makes it all very clear! Stop looking at Birth certificates, start looking at Policies..

Posted by: Andrew kELLYaustralia | June 12, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama's site is kind of selective isn't it. Why, not debunk Chaos. Does it have something to do with that verifiable part?
Obama should have no problems if your right.

Posted by: Jax | June 12, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

"We don't want the smoking gun to be in the form of a mushroom cloud."

What a bunch of fruitcakes that John McCain has aligned himself with!

Posted by: maria | June 12, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

People who vote for Republicans are very angry right now.

They feel somewhat responsible for our brothers and sisters dying in Iraq, and they should, but that does not mean that because you voted for a warmonger in the last few elections that you have to continue to do so.

Republicans:
Stop feeling so bad and stop voting for GOP'er just because you keep hearing the word "team" associated with them. This is not Football, your votes can help decide whether our brothers and sisters fight and die for causes that all Americans believe in and support.

Do not let your guilt get in the way of your intelligence!

By the way, where are the centrist Republicans? Why does the GOP have to have a big rubber stamp as a constituency?

I would rather have a "inexperienced" Democrat wasting a 500 billion on helping the poor or disabled or uneducated, than have a neo-con Republican blow 500 billion on killing tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi and thousands of US service men and women.

In the last 8 years or so Republicans have shown me that they will do anything and everything in their power to keep you from retaining an opinion based on the facts that their incompetence is comprised of.

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | June 12, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

What goes around comes around. Obama's campaign and fans have done nothing but smear Senator Clinton by repeating every single outrageous and unproved accusation ever levelled against her by the Republicans, yet Obama and fans expect HIM to be treated with fairness and respect, just as Obama expects Michelle to be treated better than President Clinton was treated. Why is this?

The Obama fans are fond of referring to Senator Clinton as Billary and Hitlery and to Senator McCain as McSame and McIdiot, yet they find it insulting, not to mention racist, when Obama's REAL middle name is used when referring to him. What's up with this? If Barack Hussein Obama were ashamed of his name, he would have continued referring to himself as "Barry" and would have dropped his middle name. If he insists it is an honorable name, then there should be no whining when others use it. Why not assume they are honoring his wishes?

It's time for Obama and company to stop whining and complaing and screaming racism at every turn and start being open and honest. If people have the wrong idea about you, then simply set the record straight. Prove them wrong.

Where, Obama fans, are the lies and misrepresentations that aspergirl has told? Stop calling her names and start proving her wrong. Answer what you deem to be her smears against Obama by setting his record straight, then we might take you seriously.

Posted by: Judy Kilgore | June 12, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's birth certificate is on his web site at http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
"I'm confused as to why people are posting that he hasn't released his birth certificate, when IT'S ON HIS WEB SITE."
"Or why, when he did release it, people are now worrying about the number being marked out?"
"Or looking at what is almost certainly a modern printout of the certificate, and pretending like it's actually a cleverly faked original? Haven't you ever gotten a copy of your birth certificate? In most places, you get a printout, not a Xerox, with the printout being the original information that was on the birth certificate."

IT'S NOT CERTIFIED.

IT'S NOT FORMALLY RELEASED BY THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN OR THE OBAMAS.

IT'S JUST A CORRUPTED IMAGE OF AN APPARENTLY SCANNED COMPUTER GENERATED DOCUMENT.

THE CERTIFICATE NUMBER IS BLACKED OUT.

HAWAII STATE CODE REQUIRES ALL CERTIFICATES ISSUES BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SHALL BE CERTIFIED.

"§338-13 Certified copies.
(a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18."

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I am not thin-skinned and weak. I know when I hear that, you are talking about me.

Posted by: snObama | June 12, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Also, a verification/"certification of birth" and birth certificate are two different things in Hawaii. A certified copy of the actual birth certificate is a diferent animal.

Posted by: Mary | June 12, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse


Neo-con Republicans are the WORST people in America but President Bush has been the greatest president for the Democratic Party because:

1) Republicans lost 3 straight special elections in Republican Strongholds.

2) 3.6 millions plus new voter registrations since 1-Jan-2008 and 80% of them registered with the Democratic Party. 12% of Republicans switching to the Democratic Party so far.

3) Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tennessee asked the Tennessee GOP to eliminate all racist commercials about Obama.

4) Republican Senator Chuck Hagel said McBush, Ooops sorry, McCain to shut up about Iran and Iraq.

I only want all the NeoCons to please continue to Think, Believe, Say, Write and Do exactly as in the last 13 years.

Yall prefer our country divided so you peruse your agenda of proliferating division and hate through innuendo and propaganda.

I LOVE ALL THE DIEHARD NEOCONS JUST WHO ARE MAKING MY DREAMS COME TRUE!

Vote for BUSH!

Posted by: getcentered | June 12, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

There are so many genuine reasons why Obama isn't qualified for the presidency that I find it hard to understand why all this flap is being made about his birth certificate?

In spite of his inexperience, and other troubling issues, I don't think the man is stupid enough to fake a birth certificate.

I'm sure his website will legitimately challenge unsubstantiated rumors. Once again, my question is, why is he expending energy on this stuff, but not addressing genuine concerns and issues?

This is like some high school kids crying that they're being picked on by everyone.

Posted by: Lynn | June 12, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Asper, did you happen to look through the legislative definition of "certified copy" before you bothered to post the statute?

Posted by: Mary | June 12, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Why he is at it he might as well prove the little mexican a Liar!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Impeachment IS ON THE TABLE.

These Republicans are criminals in my opinion.

We should be talking about McCain and the Republicans..

McCain and Republicans were so wrong about Iraq so many times......like:

"There's not a history of clashes that are violent between Sunnis and Shiahs. So I think they can probably get along." [MSNBC, 4/23/03]

...............uh what?......or this precious one:

"I'm confident we're on the right course." [ABC News, 3/7/04]

.................or how about the VETO proof GI bill that McCain is against?.......many Democrats and many Republicans support that bill. CAN'T DENY THAT RIGHT?

........Why, when Congress finally comes together to agree on something, McCain wants to stand with the Neo-con Republican tragedians of our country to stop the bill? I don't get it...........

McCain has lost his way. He supports bringing the troops home, in body bags for a hundred years...............

He wasn't tortured in Viet Nam, according to his own republican standards; he received advanced interrogation techniques, of which he approves of nowadays.

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | June 12, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

"Rezko closed his letter by promising again that he would never leave Chicago. He told the judge his mother was buried at a cemetery in Hillside."

What a bunch of fruitcakes Obama ran around with in Chicago.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

When I say "ten times the man" I don't mean it in years of experieince, or wise judgment or voting record or accomplishments or anything you can actually measure. when I say ten times, I mean it more in the way I would raise your taxes, ten times over here, five times over there, you know, like, depending on my whim at the moment. and of course if the teleprompter says what the carter Adminstration has told me to say.

Besides I really have no actual job, judgment, voting record or accomplishments to speak of so that just wouldn't make sense now would it?

Posted by: snObama | June 12, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

VirginiaGal2

It's the desperation of the toe tapping republican propagandist tools!

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | June 12, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I know what Jesus is talking about. This is the most recent post I could find.
I would like it debunked also.
-------------------
I'm still wondering what that whole secret meeting was really about. I hope not collusion. This is the basic text a notice I faxed June 5, 2008
Attention to: presumptive Democratic nominee, Barack Obama
Il. U.S. Senator Barack Obama
Washington, DC 20510
Fax 1-217-492-5099
&
U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton
Fax 1-217-228-0282
June 5, 2008
ONGOING COMPLAINT & NOTICE OF RACISM
Already having been placed on repeated written notice regarding the racist actions and/ or inactions of IL U.S. Senator Barack Obama against Americans who happen to be Hispanic in his own state of Illinois when you, U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton, aware of my situation now states... "On Saturday, I will extend my congratulations to Senator Obama and my support for his candidacy. "and that..." my differences with Senator Obama are small compared to the differences we have with Senator McCain and the Republicans." the verifiable truth and fact of the matter is now when it comes to being an aider and abetter of racism against Americans who happen to be Hispanic you, Senator Hillary Clinton, are no different than the presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama, despite your prejudice, Obama, as the presumptive Democratic nominee. I expect now more than ever for you to immediately uphold my full and equal civil rights entitled and guaranteed to all Americans as it relates to my particular situation which you were placed on verifiable repeated notice of regarding racism against Americans who happen to be Hispanic at the Chicago offices of IDHR and EEOC you allowing harm and discrimination to continue against Americans who happen to be Hispanic in your own home state of Illinois has always been a legitimate reason for Hispanics not to vote for you and this is why the Democratic Party will not have the Hispanic vote in November. Regardless of any further deceitful efforts you and others make to gain the support of the Hispanic community. Any fair and full investigation would conclude you are illegally COVERING UP verifiable racism by never acknowledging or disclosing publicly knowing about racism against Hispanics at the Chicago offices of the Illinois Department of Human Rights and Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in your own home state of Illinois that(for instance but not limited to) in a racially biased and unequal manner treats Hispanic complainants differently than non-Hispanic complainants. I have two disabled siblings one with Down's syndrome and an elderly mother who suffers with a chronic illness so I do not want members of my family or me to be subjected to any further reprisals as I believe we have all ready for me trying to exercise the same civil rights as non-Hispanics enjoy as a matter of record unimpeded. These are verifiable facts that you can't continue to ignore, you can't debunk, can't keep from the public, and can't ask the public to ignore. Also Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi need to explain their hurry in confirming you as the Democratic nominee despite repeated notice about my situation.
cc: presidential candidate John McCain
US Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi
Senate majority leader Harry Reid
US Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald
Posted by: Chaos45i | June 6, 2008 5:33 PM

Posted by: Jax | June 12, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Fact:

As unbelievable as it may seem Barack Obama's position on Iraq is exactly the same today as it was pre-Surge.

The implications of this fact are obvious to all informed and thinking people and far more devastating than any alleged smear.

Posted by: Terry Gain | June 12, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama's birth certificate is on his web site at http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert

I'm confused as to why people are posting that he hasn't released his birth certificate, when IT'S ON HIS WEB SITE.

Or why, when he did release it, people are now worrying about the number being marked out?

Or looking at what is almost certainly a modern printout of the certificate, and pretending like it's actually a cleverly faked original? Haven't you ever gotten a copy of your birth certificate? In most places, you get a printout, not a Xerox, with the printout being the original information that was on the birth certificate.

I think it's silly for him to have had to post it, in combating asinine arguments, but it's really getting into "insulting our intelligence" time here.

You would almost think that their point was to try to stir up smoke, rather than looking for information. Ya think?

How about we talk about the war, the economy, and health care - instead of visiting Moonbat Village?

Posted by: VirginiaGal2 | June 12, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey!


Slaves of Rush Limpyba..ba!!

What does it smell like down there between Rush's sweaty legs?

Yall are fired up! He must be blasting!


Take a deeep breeath of rush's sweaty scent of deceit.


That's a good toe tapper.....

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | June 12, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Rush Limbaugh should let that "whitey" tape thing go. The Obama campaign finally came out last week and declared that no such tape exists. Without a good reason for believing it exists, at that point the story should just be dropped.

Rush is acting desperate, now, continuing to talk about it. Like he's going to go fistfight the Obamas? If he wants to just call them liars, there are plenty of things that are legitimate that he can use. Once the Obamas specifically stated that the video doesn't exist, that's time to drop the issue, in the absence of other info.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I too am think-skinned and petulant.

Posted by: snObama | June 12, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Some very sick, hateful bloggers on this site - or just the neocon propaganda machine?

WaPo may need to start moderating.

Posted by: barbara | June 12, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh wait, he did reveal a tiny piece of his famed judgment. He chose two crooks out of three to find him a VP, the first important decision in his national campaign.

Maybe we ought to go back to his "associates" - you know the che guavara fan club.

Posted by: kingofzouk | June 12, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I heard that McCain was one of the Keating Five. Is that true? Gosh darn I hope it's not because he is a REAL American and also white.

Posted by: maria | June 12, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I love to watch the propagandists...

I like watching their storylines evolve....

....you know.....one of the most striking things to me I've seen over the years is the ever increasing effect of the age of information...........

I don't think that Congress or the Clinton admin knew what they were doing when they dropped the BOMB that is the Internet into the public's hands..............but the Republicans surely don't appreciate what it's become..............it has screwed them for the last 8 years.....and any politician afterward will have at least that to deal with........

Sorry propagandists toe tappers; your days are numbered...........

Because you can't stop the white rabbit.

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | June 12, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

"I guess the Obama Idiots will try to say that his voting record is all just a lie also ????"
Posted by: Tr0uBle

Obama already has. He "misvotes" I.e. pushes the wrong buttons by mistake.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I promised to f**k off and stop impersonating a man ten times the cowardly little poster I am. But, unlike Senator Obama, I am a lying tool.

Posted by: snObama | June 12, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I promised to f**k off and stop impersonating a man ten times the cowardly little poster I am. But, unlike Senator Obama, I am a lying tool.

Posted by: snObama | June 12, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I promised to f**k off and stop impersonating a man ten times the cowardly little poster I am. But, unlike Senator Obama, I am a lying tool.

Posted by: snObama | June 12, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I promised to f**k off and stop impersonating a man ten times the cowardly little poster I am. But, unlike Senator Obama, I am a lying tool.

Posted by: snObama | June 12, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I promised to f**k off and stop impersonating a man ten times the cowardly little poster I am. But, unlike Senator Obama, I am a lying tool.

Posted by: snObama | June 12, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I promised to f**k off and stop impersonating a man ten times the cowardly little poster I am. But, unlike Senator Obama, I am a lying tool.

Posted by: snObama | June 12, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I promised to f**k off and stop impersonating a man ten times the cowardly little poster I am. But, unlike Senator Obama, I am a lying tool.

Posted by: snObama | June 12, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I promised to f**k off and stop impersonating a man ten times the cowardly little poster I am. But, unlike Senator Obama, I am a lying tool.

Posted by: snObama | June 12, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I promised to f**k off and stop impersonating a man ten times the cowardly little poster I am. But, unlike Senator Obama, I am a lying tool.

Posted by: snObama | June 12, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I promised to f**k off and stop impersonating a man ten times the cowardly little poster I am. But, unlike Senator Obama, I am a lying tool.

Posted by: snObama | June 12, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I promised to f**k off and stop impersonating a man ten times the cowardly little poster I am. But, unlike Senator Obama, I am a lying tool.

Posted by: snObama | June 12, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I promised to f**k off and stop impersonating a man ten times the cowardly little poster I am. But, unlike Senator Obama, I am a lying tool.

Posted by: snObama | June 12, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Lists of associations? Is that ALL you got?

Well, actually, yes, that is all we got. when his latte-ness finally reveals his experience, judgment, plans, votes and all the other here-to-fore blind mysteries, we can ridicule them at that point.

Posted by: kingofzouk | June 12, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"I listen to rush and he has never said the tape exists or even affirms that it was said. the first time i heard about it was from bob beckel - a leftist - brought it up."

Perhaps Rush was coming down off his oxycontin high when he spat this load of garbage forth over the airwaves to his salivating crowd of True Believers. Or maybe his excessive body fat has just taken it's toll on his ability to discern reality. Oh, and you better not trust those "leftists" or even those darn smurfs either! They just want to cause trouble for the real Patriots Who Love America.

Posted by: Maria | June 12, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

""They are pressuring me to tell them the 'wrong' things that I supposedly know about Governor Blagojevich and Senator Obama...."
This means that the U.S. Attorney already has a list of specific indictable offenses against Obama. What the U.S. Attorney did was to make a list of the illegal acts and then tell Rezko to confirm them. This is standard operating procedure. Rezko did not confirm them, but you should note that the U.S. Attorney would never have placed this list in front of Rezko unless there was already testimony in support of the illegal acts. "

The first sentence doesn't really indicate that there was any list put in front of Rezko. You've got this whole argument based around the standard operating procedure of verifying a list of accusations, but there's no list implied in that one sentence there.

Obama did a lot of suspiciously corrupt things, like sabotage important votes by "misvoting" and stuff like that. But that's regular state lawmaker stuff. Tom Delay probably did more corrupt stuff in the course of one day than Obama did in an entire year.

Obama was already a lawyer when he went into the state senate. He wouldn't have been that stupid.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

A vote for McCain is a vote aginst Islam. During my administration everyone will get a chance to convert without being criticized. The new era of an Islamic America will begin with my leadership. Alms for Islam will be everyones duty and will be supported by new tax codes.

http://www.muhammadanism.org/islam/Zakat_Terrorism.htm

Posted by: Barack Osama | June 12, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

all this talk about my birth cerfi-ticket is just a distraction.

but please keep it up. I need all the disstraction I can get. Otherwise I may have to answer some actual questions.

Posted by: snObama | June 12, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

One of Chimpy's crooked US Attorneys is going after Obama?

Not surprising. Chimpy and Alberto VO5 wrecked the Justice Department by forcing US Attorneys to go after Democrats, stop going after Repukes, or get fired.

We all know what happened next. Eight US Attorneys got fired for not being partisan.

This is just another Obama smear campaign but it is particularly dangerous. The precedent is Karl Rove's railroading of a Democratic governor. A US Attorney was involved in that miscarriage of justice too.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 12, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

John Ryskamp = airport bathroom toe tapping republican propagandist.


Go figure....the GOP has allot of "coming-out" to do....

Hmmmmmmm....where have Republicans failed America?...........

Ethics: Abramoff Scandals, Libby outs a CIA operative, Gonzo politicizes Justice, and just about anyone in the White House could be labeled a liar, torture, extraordinary rendition, non FISA wiretaps.....etc........

Foreign Policy: Iraq war, AQ still on the loose, Bin Laden still on the loose; and are we safer?..................

Responsive Government: Katrina, bungling Iraq war intelligence, maybe even bungling the 9/11 intelligence......etc.......

I'm going to do everything in my power to see that Republicans LOSE in the next elections. I mean across the board, state legislatures to the White House, there is no longer a place for Republicans in the world I want to live in. The Republican of today is an indefensible talking point repeating polarizer of nations, which in my mind no longer deserves quarter.

Posted by: getcentered | June 12, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I really don't want to know about Carter O'Bama's skid-marked undies ...

Posted by: Billy O'Bama | June 12, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Did you hear that McCain is a hermaphrodite? I didn't believe it at first, but now I do.

No way I'm voting for him now.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 12, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl: OMG! Get a life already.

Zouk: How's life in mom's basement?

Posted by: People Really Suck | June 12, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I went to little Husseins site and its he said she said garbage with no actual evidence.
to prove he was never islamic hussein provides us with a copy of his birth certificate that says nothing about religion. so why produce it.
I listen to rush and he has never said the tape exists or even affirms that it was said. the first time i heard about it was from bob beckel - a leftist - brought it up.
but its nice to see the site - now i will know about everything said about little hussein, he will repeat it for me on the post.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

More propaganda to delute the truth. Let your yes be tes & no be no. This site will be used to fight off truth & lies. Who would ever thoght it would get to that?

Posted by: TG | June 12, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Quick!

The propagandists need some new material.....quick before they kill themselves.....

Lets see what Obama's house plants are saying!!

Maybe Obama starved his plants of water? or his plants aren't happy with the quality of sun they get?

Faux News! Run with that! Toe tappers?

Truth by repetition!
Fact by consensus!
What is up with the propagandists?

Lists of associations? Is that ALL you got?

Pick ANY politician and you can make a list of "contentious" associations. Are people so obtuse? Maybe, cause someone out there just loves proliferating innuendo and propaganda about Obama.

None of the propaganda out here on the sphere is aimed at anyone other than Obama.....go figure.........someone fears him.

Maybe you didn't get the memo.....but this is the age of information........innuendo and propaganda is no longer useful psyops tools.

....but oh well, it's the classic response of the fossilized right-wing status quo:

Create a grotesquely distorted caricature, broadcast the delusion at the top of your lungs, and hope that you manage to reinforce just enough cynicism and hopelessness to ensure the election of someone who truly cares only for funneling all of the country's wealth and power into the hands of a tiny, corrupt elite.


Posted by: ApostasyUSA | June 12, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Some reporter should actually corner Obama, ask him if he knows what some campaign workers linked to as the image on dailykos as his "birth certificate".

They should ask him why it's not certified, as required by Hawaii state statute HSS 338-13. They should ask him, or his campaign, to confirm that he is presenting that as his birth certificate.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

The Tribune is reporting that Obama is under active investigation by the U.S. Attorney. It emerged in a letter released by the Judge in which Rezko said agents had pressured him for information on Obama.
The indictment will follow shortly.
Prosecutors leaned on him, Rezko says
Chicago Tribune, United States - 34 minutes ago
By Jeff Coen | Tribune reporter Two months before he was convicted of federal corruption charges, political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko told his trial ...


The importance of the letter is that it shows that the U.S. Attorney is very actively investigating Obama, and has been for a number of years. The telling remark in the letter is this one:
"They are pressuring me to tell them the 'wrong' things that I supposedly know about Governor Blagojevich and Senator Obama...."
This means that the U.S. Attorney already has a list of specific indictable offenses against Obama. What the U.S. Attorney did was to make a list of the illegal acts and then tell Rezko to confirm them. This is standard operating procedure. Rezko did not confirm them, but you should note that the U.S. Attorney would never have placed this list in front of Rezko unless there was already testimony in support of the illegal acts. Indeed, U.S. Attorneys don't look for supplementary confirmations of the Rezko type, unless there is already ample evidence to convict. There is overwhelming evidence already, based on the positions of the people who have already entered into plea bargains or who have been convicted.


Obama will shortly be indicted under 18 USC 1346, which is the same provision under which Rezko was convicted.
There will be MANY counts in Obama's indictment, more than there were in Rezko's. This will give you details about one of the indictments, concerning the board legislation which Obama sponsored as part of a criminal enterprise. Both Rezko and Obama are members of the Syrian Mafia, which trades--corporately--under the name General Mediterranean and is headed by NadhmiAuchi.
I don't think I need to add that if Obama is elected, the Syrian mafia will be running the United States Government. Patrick Fitzgerald, hurry up.
Below is a discussion of the board legislation by Evelyn Pringle, who published a very detailed series on Obama's crimes at opednews.com. These articles have been cited around the world.
Following her discussion is a link to a discussion, also reproduced, of 18 USC 1346, which, again is the section under which Obama will be prosecuted.
First, Evelyn's discussion:

The evidence presented in "Tony Rezko's] trial focused on his influence over officials in getting members appointed to the Boards. Prosecutors did not discuss how the legislation got passed that enabled the Planning Board to be set up in a way that allowed for the appointment of members to rig the votes to begin with. That part of the scheme will likely be detailed in future indictments, probably starting with Blagojevich. Blagojevich signed the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Act with an effective date of June 27, 2003. However, before he could sign the act, a bill had to be passed by the Illinois House and Senate. As discussed fully in Curtain Time Part II, Obama was the inside guy in the senate who pushed through the legislation that resulted in the Act. Obama was appointed chairman of the Senate Health and Human Services Committee. The minute the bill was introduced, it was referred to his committee for review. The sponsors of the bill also served on this committee with Obama. Within a month, Chairman Obama sent word to the full senate that the legislation should be passed. On May 31, 2003, Senate Bill 1332 passed and specified that the "Board shall be appointed by the Governor, with the advice and consent of the Senate." The legislation reduced the number of members from 15 to 9, paving the way for the appointment of a five-bloc majority to rig the votes. The corrupt members appointed included three doctors who contributed to Obama. Michel Malek gave Obama $10,000 on June 30, 2003 and donated $25,000 to Blagojevich on July 25, 2003. Malek also gave Obama another $500 in September 2003. Fortunee Massuda donated $25,000 to Blagojevich on July 25, 2003, and gave a total of $2,000 to Obama on different dates. After he was appointed, Dr Imad Almanaseer contributed a total of $3,000 to Obama. Almanaseer did not give money to Blagojevich. When the first pay-to-play scheme was put in play, and the application for approval of a new hospital was submitted, the Department of Human Services, along with four other Illinois agencies, sent recommendations that the project should be approved even though experts said the hospital was not needed. During the trial, Rezko's attorney presented an email exchange to the jury that hinted at Obama's role in setting up the scheme. The exchange showed that Obama and seven other top Illinois politicians consulted on the legislation passed in 2003 and were involved in recommending the members for the board. Matthew Pickering wrote the memo to Blagojevich's general counsel, Susan Lichtenstein, on behalf of David Wilhelm, a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, who headed Blagojevich's 2002 campaign for governor. Pickering said he and Wilhelm had "worked closely" over six months with state legislators. The memo recommended the appointees listed above and stated, "our attached recommendations reflect that involvement" with the political leaders. The persons appointed to rig the votes, including those who contributed to Blagojevich and Obama, are cooperating in exchange for immunity or lighter prison sentences. Feds shut down pay-to-play schemes. Only two pay-to-play schemes succeeded before the Feds swooped in and shut them all down. Blagojevich did not receive the $1.5 million from the Planning Board deal because the hospital was never built. But Obama received $20,000 from the first kickback paid in the pension fund scheme and the straw donors used to funnel the $10,000 payments, Elie Maloof and Joseph Aramanda, also made $1,000 contributions to Obama's failed run for Congress in 2000. In addition, Aramanda gave $500 to Obama's senate campaign on June 30, 2003. In the summer of 2005, Aramanda's son landed an intern position in Obama's Washington office. Obama also received contributions for his senate campaign from the two persons appointed to rig the vote on the pension fund board. On June 30, 2003, Jack Carriglio contributed $1,000, and the other appointee, Anthony Abboud, donated $500 on June 30, 2003, $250 on March 5, 2004, and $1,000 on June 25, 2004. The person chosen to funnel the kickback in a future scheme, Michael Winter, donated $3,000 to Obama on June 30, 2003. All these people are also cooperating in exchange for immunity or lesser prison sentences but prosecutors pointed out during closing arguments that people who entered into agreements with the government are required to tell the truth or all deals are off.

And now the discussion of the law under which Obama will go to prison, 18 USC 1346:

http://www.groom.com/_library/downloads/NAPPAArticle-Feb2006.pdf.
This article provides brief guidance as to the manner in which courts have interpreted 18 U.S.C. § 1346, which generally provides that for purposes of federal mail and wire fraud statutes (18 U.S.C. §§ 1341 and 1343, respectively), a "scheme or artifice to defraud" includes a "scheme or artifice to deprive another of the intangible right to honest services." Specifically, this article examines the manner in which courts have interpreted the broad language of § 1346 in circumstances that do not involve the explicit bribery of public officials.
I.
Background
18 U.S.C. § 1346 was enacted in 1988, for purposes of reversing the Supreme Court's decision in McNally v. U.S.,483 U.S. 350 (1987). In McNally, the Supreme Court overruled a long line of lower court decisions by holding that the federal mail and wire fraud statutes did not encompass schemes to defraud citizens of an intangible right to honest government service from pubic officers. Id. at 355. By enacting 18 U.S.C. § 1346, Congress restored "honest services" within the ambit of the federal mail and wire fraud statutes, meaning that a scheme to deprive the public of "honest services" by a public official could be punished as mail or wire fraud (assuming, of course, that such an instrumentality was used as part of the scheme or artifice).
II.
Judicial Interpretations of the "Honest Services" Fraud
A.
General Parameters of the Statute
Not surprisingly, the majority of cases that have analyzed the "honest services" fraud set forth in 18 U.S.C. § 1346 have involved the bribery of public officials, where the charge under § 1346 is in addition to other charges. However, there have been numerous prosecutions under § 1346 against public officials (and those who have corrupted public officials) for transactions that do not involve outright bribery, but which nonetheless involve the provision of cash or gifts to a public official in exchange for the public official's exercise of power on behalf of the individual or entity providing the gratuity.
Courts have recognized that the term "honest services," as used in § 1346, is incredibly broad, but the statute has survived repeated challenges asserting that it is unconstitutionally vague, with courts resorting to a "common sense" usage of the phrase "honest services." In rejecting a constitutional void-for-vagueness challenge to the statute's wording, one court opined that "[c]oncrete parameters outlining the duty of honest services should not be necessary. . . . The concept of the duty of honest services sufficiently conveys warning of the proscribed conduct when measured in terms of common understanding and practice." U.S. v. ReBrook, 837 F. Supp. 162, 171 (S.D. W. Va. 1993), aff'd. 58 F.3d 961 (4 th Cir. 1995). Another court demonstrated little patience for the defendant's void-for-vagueness challenge in the context of a kickback scheme, holding that "[i]t should be plain to ordinary people that offering and accepting large sums of money in exchange for a city councilman's vote is a type of conduct proscribed by the language of § 1346." U.S. v. Paradies, 98 F.3d 1266, 1283 (11 th Cir. 1996). Nonetheless, courts have refused to allow § 1346 to be used as a "catch-all" that subjects every unethical or illegal act to federal mail and wire fraud prosecution. See, e.g., U.S. v. Bloom, 149 F.3d 649, 654-56 (7 th
Cir. 1998) (noting, inter alia, that "not every breach of fiduciary duty works a criminal fraud"); U.S. v. Welch, 327 F.3d 1081, 1107 (10 th Cir. 2003) ("the right to honest services is not violated by every breach of contract, breach of duty, conflict of interest, or misstatement made in the course of dealing"). Recognizing the difficulty of interpreting the undefined phrase "honest services," courts have attempted to establish general criteria that must be satisfied to successfully assert an "honest services" fraud claim. One of the leading circuits interpreting the scope of the honest services fraud is the First Circuit Court of Appeals, which held that: First, . . . honest services convictions of public officials typically involve serious corruption, such as embezzlement of public funds, bribery of public officials, or the failure of public decision-makers to disclose conflicts of interest. Second, . . . the broad scope of the mail fraud statute . . . does not encompass every instance of official misconduct that results in the official's personal gain. Third, and most importantly, . . . the government must not merely indicate wrongdoing by a public official, but must also demonstrate that the wrongdoing at issue is intended to prevent or call into question the proper or impartial performance of the public servant's official duties. U.S. v. Czubinski, 106 F.3d 1069, 1076 (1 st Cir. 1997) (emphasis added) (internal citations and quotations omitted), (discussing the First Circuit's prior decision in U.S. v. Sawyer, 85 F.3d 713, 724 (1996). The Seventh Circuit has held that "[m]isuse of office (more broadly, misuse of position) for private gain is the line that separates run of the mill violations of state law fiduciary duty . . . from federal crime." U.S. v. Bloom, 149 F.3d 649, 655 (7 th Cir. 1998). The court went on to note that "in almost all of the intangible rights cases decided . . . (before McNally or since § 1346), the defendant used his office for private gain, as by accepting a bribe in exchange for official action[,]" but also noted that "[s]ecret conversion of information received in a fiduciary capacity is a form of fraud against the owner of that information." Id. Accordingly, the Seventh Circuit summarized its test for an honest services fraud as follows: "[a]n employee deprives his employer of his honest services only if he misuses his position (or the information he obtained in it) for personal gain" (emphasis added). Id. at 656-57.

Posted by: John Ryskamp | June 12, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

From USA today:

Obama's birth certificate: He is who he says he is
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There's an official certification of Democrat Barack Obama's birth posted over at the liberal website Daily Kos. Site founder Markos Moulitsas Zuniga says he asked the campaign for the document and they gave it to him.

It's authentic enough to satisfy Jim Geraghty, a blogger at the conservative Campaign Spot who has suggested release of the document to debunk various rumors about Obama's name and place of birth. "All of the information is what we have been told before - name, birth date, etc.. His mother's race is listed as 'Caucasian,' his father as 'African.' No middle name of Muhammad, no first name of 'Barry,' no last name of 'Dunham.' He's listed as 'Barack Hussein Obama II,' not 'Jr.', " Geraghty writes today.

At liberal Balloon Juice, John Cole laments that Obama has to prove himself "American" in this way. Steve Benen at The Carpetbagger Report wonders if "sunshine is the best disinfectant" and says Obama has to hope it is. Over at the libertarian Reason, David Weigel pokes fun at both Obama ("but it doesn't say whether he was born in a manger") and those who still doubt the birth document. Lots of skeptics commenting at Hot Air.

The Kos post comes the same day Obama announced the creation of Fight the Smears, a website devoted to debunking lies about Obama and his family. "The Obama campaign isn't going to let dishonest smears spread across the Internet unanswered," campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor said in a statement. "This website is an action center that allows supporters to upload their address books and send e-mails to all of their friends. It's not enough to just know the truth, we have to be pro-active and fight back."

Posted by Jill Lawrence at 02:29 PM/ET, June 12, 2008 in Democrats, Presidential race, 2008 | Permalink

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Aspertw@t, for the last time - give it up, you PoS - this ship has sailed and your ugly a$$ has been exposed, pimples and all.

Posted by: Asperturd: great fertilizer... | June 12, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

www.fightthesmears.com been there but could not find anything about the poster Chaos45i. He has been around longer than all the others combined.
What he has been saying about Barack Obama and Hispanic may explain a few things. Like why they really did not go out and vote for him.

He has even posted on Chris's blog many times. What I wanna know is Illinois treating Hispanics in any way diffrently than non Hispanics. It seems if it has been discriminating against Hispanics Barack Obama has known all about it for some time.


Posted by: Jesus | June 12, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Which is worse

Out and out lies ---- like I don't know John McCain has a black child (SC primary via Bush campaign) --- that are not squelched by journalists with a public being told these are falsehoods instead of reports that "rumors are being spread"

Or stories of how a candidate is being forced to start a website and spend manpower and financial resources to tell people that ridiculous lies have to be counter-attacked because journalists have failed miserably in how to report news versus lies versus "we can get a lot of attention, advertising, profits, sales, etc if we report a lie that has no credence no measuarble level of belief no real preception by the general public and defend our report of it as ---- its a rumor that is being spread."

The only people claiming Obama is a Muslim are people working for the ultra-conservative wing of the GOP, fascists, klansmen, and openly racist people and they are telling their lies to fellow travellers and the media...

Oh wait they are the same a**holes who went after Mccain in 2000.

Hey Media ---- way to keep the dream alive!

Posted by: Kevin | June 12, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Obama is going to be a fantastic First Lady. This white person thinks that she is amazing. The "Americans" who try to smear her are showing themselves to be ignorant.

Posted by: MarSF | June 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I guess the Obama Idiots will try to say that his voting record is all just a lie also ????


Obama followers are such fools.

Posted by: Tr0uBle | June 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

The birth certificate has the certificate number blacked out. WHY?

The birth "certificate" is not certified. Hawaii State Statute #338-13 requires certification:

"§338-13 Certified copies.
(a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18."

All that is posted is a poor image (full of questionable image compression artifacts) of an uncertified printout of a birth record.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

The birth certificate that is posted is a shrunken-down version of the larger one posted on dailykos. You can't see the coding artifacts that make it appear to be fake (i.e. text added AFTER scanning).

The birth certificate still doesn't show the same name that the candidate supposedly has.

The birth certificate has the certificate number blacked out. WHY?

The birth "certificate" is not certified. Hawaii State Statute #338-13 requires certification:

"§338-13 Certified copies.
(a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18."

All that is posted is a poor image (full of questionable image compression artifacts) of an uncertified printout of a birth record. If Obama wants to release his birth certificate, why doesn't his campaign release it formally? Why this shrunken version of a dailykos image that is not explicitly stated to be Barack Obama's birth certificate?

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Here is a few stats on the EMPTY SUIT OBAMA:


Here are just a few things that define Barack Hussein Obama:
â€" He voted against banning partial birth abortion.
â€" He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.
â€" Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government.
â€" In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing.
â€" Says he will deal with street level drug dealing as a minimum wage affair.
â€" Admitted marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in college.
â€" His religious convictions are very murky.
â€" He is willing to meet, unconditionally, with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
â€" Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have a conference with all Muslim nations.
â€" Opposed the Patriot Act.
â€" First bill he signed that was passed was campaign finance reform.
â€" Voted No on prohibiting law suits against gun manufacturers.
â€" Supports universal health care.
â€" Voted Yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.
â€" Supports granting driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants.
â€" Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants.
â€" Voted Yes on comprehensive immigration reform. Would result in 20 million instant citizens never having paid SS, many refusing to speak English, immediately sending for their 40 to 50 million extended relatives telling them not to wait and obey the laws, the once mighty USA is theirs for the taking.
â€" Voted Yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.
â€" Wants to make the minimum wage a ‘living wage’.
â€" Voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.
â€" Opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead supports increasing the amount of tax paid.
â€" He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax.
â€" He voted No on repealing the ‘Death’ Tax.
â€" He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.
â€" Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded.
â€" Has never served in the military and has never visited Afghanistan, and hasn't bothered to visit Iraq since Jan. of 2006.
â€" He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that takes some doing.
â€" Is a notorious gun grabber, he wants to completely disarm the American population and is a total supporter of ALL anti-gun legislation.
If your political choices are consistent with Barack Obama’s and you think that his positions will bring America together or make it a better place, then you will probably enjoy the ride and not re-post this message as we attempt to stop this poser from ascending to the Oval Office.
If you agree that this is an important issue, please pass it on in a nationwide emailing and re-post it on your blogs…
The mainstream media will not do it for you!
Obama is EVIL personified and a danger to America!

Posted by: Tr0uBle | June 12, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is planning on campaigning in EVERY state."


you idiots will beleive anything he says won't you. have you no sense of discrimination?

think for yourself and question authority.

Posted by: kingofzouk | June 12, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

The fact that the Obama campaign has to create a site like this speaks to how wretched people are. Not just the vile commenters below, but also the professionals who spread rumors as their job.

Posted by: John | June 12, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

http://www.openthread.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/23/13759/6024/434/521281

Good to see people investigating this Obama unveiled site - ut is amazing that dumba$$es actually use this as a basis for anti-Obama propaganda.

Posted by: 2008 | June 12, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Proud - it seems the new politics includes:

selectively editing quotes to make them seem what they are not

parsing words to invent new meanings

blaming all errors on the staff

ignoring substance and relying on spin

puffery and fakery of past non-accomplishments

play the race card no matter what

to me this sounds a lot like clinton, Gore, sharpton, etc. In short, the politics of old, played badly.

Posted by: kingofzouk | June 12, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Chris, The "Fix" Man !
I agree with the poster below (ETHAN).
This board was such a wonderful idea when it was initiated for an exchange of ideas and to get other peoples take on what was happening on the campaign trail. It's a damn shame that it has been taken over by a bunch of uninformed, bratty, obnoxious,quarrelsome and foul mouthed individuals. One gets the feeling they were raised by these screaming parents at the little league games that never "lose". My best guess is that some of these people have never voted before and from some of the postings they have never seen a civics or government book and base all of their "knowledge" on a five page campaign pamphlet or a website. Too bad. You do a good job Chris.

Posted by: fix fan | June 12, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Through the "grapevine" you might have "heard" that Obama is planning on campaigning in EVERY state.

Better start donating to Grandpa because he is going to need the help!

Posted by: maria | June 12, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

MICHELLE OBAMA CALLING AMERICANS IGNORANT

According to ABCNews, in a January 2008 speech at the University of South Carolina, Michelle Obama made more anti-American hate speech which is recently making the rounds on the Internet. Talking about her experience at Princeton where she hung with a largely African-American crowd, she said, "We don't like being pushed outside of our comfort zones. You know it right here on this campus. You know people sitting at different tables; you all living in different dorms. I was there. You're not talking to each other, taking advantage that you're in this diverse community."

Michelle Obama went on to say "Because sometimes it's easier to hold on to your own stereotypes and misconceptions. It makes you feel justified in your own ignorance. That's America! So the challenge for us is are we ready for change?" I'm sure we all know what she's talking about when she reflects on the comfort many of us feel with those of our specific cultural or ethnic groups.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

>> DDAWD wrote: "The funny thing is that the website actually has his birth certificate on there."

The birth certificate that is posted is a shrunken-down version of the larger one posted on dailykos. You can't see the coding artifacts that make it appear to be fake (i.e. text added AFTER scanning).

The birth certificate still doesn't show the same name that the candidate supposedly has.

The birth certificate has the certificate number blacked out. WHY?

The birth "certificate" is not certified. Hawaii State Statute #338-13 requires certification:

"§338-13 Certified copies.
(a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18."

All that is posted is a poor image (full of questionable image compression artifacts) of an uncertified printout of a birth record. If Obama wants to release his birth certificate, why doesn't his campaign release it formally? So the candidate can deny he knew that the "internet crack team of defenders" that he hired for his "internet war room" linked was dailykos has had posted on its website?

If this is real, the Obama campaign should "certify" it. Or provide a really certified copy.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The reason that the story about Mee-Shell and her 'whitey' rant has legs is that it is entirely compatible with her already broadcast comments about America being 'mean' and this being the first time she is 'proud' of the USA. That, of course, and the FACT that she has been dragging her two little daughters to listen to the "rev" Wright/Wrong's racist and anti-American rants.
What intelligent person would not find a 'whitey' rant believable?

Posted by: PJ | June 12, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

So i Guess that everything about Obama is a lie huh?

Try this on for size people.


TRUTH:......Obama - "Charged that the U.S. Senate immigration debate of 2007 "was both ugly and racist," he promised that, as president, he would make amnesty "a priority."


TRUTH:.......Senator Obama's support of open borders threatens national security and increases economic and cultural costs of illegal immigration. His vote for a border fence was a sop to immigration reform, which became a political imperative in 2005-2007, as U.S. citizens began to feel the pinch of some 30 million illegal aliens on local schools, hospitals, prisons, and social services.
At the grass roots, U.S. voters began to realize that the nation is losing control of its destiny. Local budget deficits began to speak louder than the immigration propaganda that illegal aliens contribute more to the U.S. economy than they cost. In 2008, in the midst of economic downsizing, rising fuel costs, and mushrooming welfare budgets, U.S. taxpayers are questioning the merits of open borders, but you wouldn't know it from the campaign rhetoric.

TRUTH:....... OBAMA never denounced The Trinity Church at all, He Stepped away from the Racial Hate being spewed towards whites because it was hurting his campaign ! To prove this, from Obama's own mouth he stated...........""I'm not denouncing the church and I'm not interested in people who want me to denounce the church... The church has been suffering from the attention my campaign has focused on them... I know it's the right thing to do for the church...."

Posted by: Tr0uBle | June 12, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

This sounds like a propaganda website. Pravda and Tass would be proud.

Posted by: qwerty | June 12, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

"Although I'm sure that he can defend the things he says in those books now, by putting up cleverly worded "smear" denials on his fightthesmears.org website."

Ohhh yes Clever Words. One must always watch out for those. A sure sign of intellect and education. Can't have that!

Posted by: maria | June 12, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I have already heard, through the grapevine, that Obama is writing off Ohio and trying for Colorado instead.

good luck winning without Ohio and Florida.

Posted by: kingofzouk | June 12, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"AspirinGirl gives me a headache.

She's a Repuke troll who constantly stinks up the WaPo blogs. She has nothign to say.

And "proudtobeGOP"? What a moron. He's proud to be a torturing traitorous lying Constitution-hating un-American scumbag."

Posted by: Tom3 | June 12, 2008 5:21 PM

Is this that New Politics ya'll were talking about trying? Looks like another failed attempt at a plan for the Democrat party.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | June 12, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

In other news, the New York Sun is reporting that in a shocking revelation, Colin Kahl who is a key adviser to Sen. Obama's campaign is suggesting in a confidential paper that America will have to keep between 60,000 - 80,000 troops in Iraq as of late 2010, a plan that squarely contradicts the public pledge of the Illinois senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months of taking office.

The secret paper was written by Kahl for the center-left Center for a New American Security. In "Stay on Success: A Policy of Conditional Engagement," Kahl writes that through negotiations with the Iraqi government "the U.S. should aim to transition to a sustainable over-watch posture (of perhaps 60,000 - 80,000 forces) by the end of 2010." Read this confidential and shocking revelation which Obama campaign is now trying to deny.

http://www.obamaunveiled.com/

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

John McCain missed 682 of 4048 votes (17%) since Feb 4, 1993 (Extremely Poor relative to peers).

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300071

Posted by: McSame | June 12, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

"You don't even know what your candidate's name is? His name is "Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.", not "Barack Hussein Obama II" like that absurdly bad fake birth certificate on dailykos shows."

Wrong - o. See if you can follow along here. Sen. Obama was Barack Hussein Obama Jr. until his father died. If he and Michelle have a son and name him "Barack Hussein Obama" Sen. Obama will become Barack Hussein Obama Sr. With me so far?

Well, what is a poor registrar to do? You can't put down "jr." because these designations are expected to remain clear for centuries. The answer is, you use a roman numeral. Which nobody ever uses in polite society, but in the archives of the registrar, there it is. Barack Hussein Obama, nominally jr., becomes Barack Hussein Obama II.

Silly goose, that birth certificate copy appears to be quite genuine.

Posted by: fzdybel | June 12, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh yes the site has his birth certificate. But the State of Hawii does not. Problem. Not for Obamaites, he produced one that's good enough for me. When the state releases it on their website the flak will go away about that and not until then. You see Birth Records are public, and if the state doesn't have the origianl, no copy is any good. Not hatered just the law. So why did Obama request the state to "protect" his birth record and then release it himself? Doesn't make sense, and until it makes sense people will complain.

Posted by: Fl JEB | June 12, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman, again, no...body...cares. We don't care why you are voting, where you are, or if you bleed Democratic blue. Tom made a good point - you have nothing but bias that dictates your choice, based on the facts. Have at it, but don't come to the board acting as if you are doing anything that we did not already know you were going to do all those months ago. Nobody is forcing you to make that choice and frankly you are not important enough to mourn.

Posted by: Bob blah blah | June 12, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

According to Washington Post, Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001, as reported here. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles. Read about Obama's close involvement with the Pentagon, US Capitol, and NY Police HQ terrorist, William C. Ayers.
In other news, the specter of John Kerry in 2004 is beginning to haunt the Democrats in 2008. Between the questions about Sen. Obama's association with William C. Ayers, a former Weatherman and convicted terrorist, and the suspicions raised by his lack of a flag lapel pin, Obama is slowly being turned into John Kerry. Many Obama supporters are worried that he could lack the Red State street credibility to carry the election in November. [Source: Newsweek].

Lobby Money: Obama often boasts he is "the only candidate who isn't taking a dime from Washington lobbyists," yet his fundraising team includes 38 members of law firms that were paid $138 million last year to lobby the federal government, records show. Those lawyers, including 10 former federal lobbyists, have pledged to raise at least $3.5 million for Obama's presidential race. Listen to Obama lie, then read the names of lobbyists who contributed more than $138 Million to his campaign. [Source: ANCNews].

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama leads by six points.

Is that it? with all the advantage? Even dukakis led by 19 points at this stage.

buh bye hope and audacity. hello reality.

Posted by: numbers don't lie, Libs do | June 12, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl: Ahhh yes, that Obama is a devious shape-shifter who has somehow managed to hypnotize millions of educated voters into believing that he actually loves America and wants to be a force for good. And that suspicious "II" after his nameon his birth certificate couldn't POSSIBLY stand for "the second" because REAL Americans ALWAYS say JUNIOR! And he is a "liar" because his former Pastor happens to harbor some anger over segregation and Jim Crow laws so that MUST mean that by extension and osmosis Barack Obama really hates white people even though he was raised by his white mother and grandparents in a multi-cultural environment.

Yes, and I am sure his successful marriage and beautiful, well-behaved daughters are all just part of this BIG lie as well! Why those little girls might also be related to "African Arabs" so they are RADICALS! Quick get your Holy Water and hide in the basement.

Do you understand how unhinged you sound?

Posted by: Maria | June 12, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Anne C. still believes Saddam had something to do with 9/11. Anne C. still believes our 6 year long, $3 billion a week occupation of Iraq is keeping her safe. Anne C. somehow considers a reconstituted al-Qaeda in North Waziristan - a hop-skip-and-jump away from Pakistan's nuclear arsenal - to be an insignificant threat. Anne C. still believes our military, misused by the current morons in office and aching from endlessly extended tours and insufficient numbers to face crises as they arise, is up to facing down the dangers of the world. Anne C. has drunk the kool-aid.

We have to wrest control away from the idiots in office and the useful idiots in the electorate who support them. They are living in a neocon dreamworld, a faith-based confabulation, a tissue of lies and distortions. Wake up, idiots.

Posted by: Ricardo Malocchio | June 12, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

In response to 'no issues, we're Dems | June 12, 2008 5:28 PM'

Typical Americans think Republicans want to lower taxes.

And you wonder why Americans are internationally reknown for their amazing stupidity.

As long as the budget is in defecit, you're simply not paying your share. You're stealing money from your children and your children's children.

Posted by: Jay | June 12, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

anne C, why are you cutting and pasting Crazy Coulter's column? Really can't think for yourself, huh?

Posted by: I loves me some Mann Coulter | June 12, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

to Jim, and any other Dems that want to vote for McBush - how can you possibly feel that your views are closer to McCain's than to Obamas? I just don't get it...

Posted by: Michael | June 12, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

This "Fight the Smears" website exemplifies why Obama is going to wipe the floor with McCain in November.

He will not be swiftboated.

Posted by: AdrickHenry | June 12, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

tom didn't know that the DNC has established you as the official D authority. I am working on a D State Senate campaign and likely Congressional race. I have no obligation to vote for Sen O, none regardless of your insults. Don't worry I vote in Tx and O is 15% points down here. Might not enter a protest vote if I lived in Fla or Ohio, but you need to really tone it down and realize there are millions of other truly p.o. HC supporters who you will need in Ohio, Va, and Fla if you expect to win in the fall, antagonizing them isn't the best strategy in the world. Calling them scumbags and Rs doesn't help your cause, maybe you just never got the memo.

Posted by: Leichtman | June 12, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

It can't be said often enough: the conceit of the Obama campaign is that its candidate is the antithesis of politics as it has been practiced for decades, if not for centuries. He is, we are told, the agent of change, the great turner of the page, a man unstained by politics and who will alter the way it has been practiced. He is bi-partisan and post-partisan and beyond political labeling. He will not unfairly portray the views of his opponent or engage in petty distractions. According to his wife Michelle, he will heal the broken souls of America. And according to Obama himself, he will begin to heal the planet.

The bar has been set enormously high - and it has been set there by Obama, his wife, and his campaign.

If voters begin to believe that the Obama Phenomenon is really an Obama Myth - that he is just another conventional politician, but in this instance one who emerged out of the largely polluted waters of Chicago politics - then Obama is reduced to being a one-term senator with very few achievements in his life that commend him to be president. He also happens to be the most liberal candidate for president since George McGovern. We are now in the early phase of that transformation; it remains to be seen if it continues or if Obama can find a way to arrest or even reverse it.

hope and change - meet doubt and fear.

Posted by: do not print the truth - it is fatal to Libs | June 12, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Will McCain veto every single beer?

Posted by: Jason | June 12, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

The sheer repetition of lies about Bush is wearing people down. There is not a liberal in this country worthy of kissing Bush's rear end, but the weakest members of the herd run from Bush. Compared to the lickspittles denying and attacking him, Bush is a moral giant -- if that's not damning with faint praise. John McCain should be so lucky as to be running for Bush's third term. Then he might have a chance.

Posted by: lib lies exposed | June 12, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Great idea to fight/counter the scumbag liars...

Posted by: kac | June 12, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Monthly casualties in Iraq now come in slightly lower than a weekend with Anna Nicole Smith. According to a CNN report last week, for the entire month of May, there were only 19 troop deaths in Iraq. (Last year, five people on average were shot every day in Chicago.) With Iraqi deaths at an all-time low, Iraq is safer than Detroit -- although the Middle Eastern food is still better in Detroit.

Al-Qaida is virtually destroyed, surprising even the CIA. Two weeks ago, The Washington Post reported: "Less than a year after his agency warned of new threats from a resurgent al-Qaida, CIA Director Michael V. Hayden now portrays the terrorist movement as essentially defeated in Iraq and Saudi Arabia and on the defensive throughout much of the rest of the world, including in its presumed haven along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border."

It's almost as if there's been some sort of "surge" going on, as strange as that sounds.

Just this week, The New York Times reported that al-Qaida and other terrorist groups in Southeast Asia have all but disappeared, starved of money and support. The U.S. and Australia have been working closely with the Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia, sending them counterterrorism equipment and personnel.

But according to Libs, this is all a failure. A success is deemed "retreat and surrender now".

Posted by: anne c | June 12, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

It's Over, get on with your life. Obama IS the next president of the United States. Republicans will have to wait 4 more years before they can whine about their tax $$ again. Congrats to Obama

Posted by: carlos m. allenede | June 12, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

If you were/are a Hillary supporter...please do not switch over to Obama...PLEASE...if you still want Hillary. Email our group and we'll explain...PLEASE:
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Posted by: Suzanne7 | June 12, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

It is unquestionable that Bush has made this country safe by keeping Islamic lunatics pinned down fighting our troops in Iraq. In the past few years, our brave troops have killed more than 20,000 al-Qaida and other Islamic militants in Iraq alone. That's 20,000 terrorists who will never board a plane headed for JFK -- or a landmark building, for that matter.

We are, in fact, fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them at, say, the corner of 72nd and Columbus in Manhattan -- the mere mention of which never fails to enrage liberals, which is why you should say it as often as possible.

The Iraq war has been a stunning success. The Iraqi army is "standing up" (as they say), fat Muqtada al-Sadr --the Dr. Phil of Islamofascist radicalism -- has waddled off in retreat to Iran, and Sadr City and Basra are no longer war zones. Our servicemen must be baffled by the constant nay-saying coming from their own country.

The Iraqis have a democracy -- a miracle on the order of flush toilets in that godforsaken region of the world. Despite its newness, Iraq's democracy appears to be no more dysfunctional than one that would condemn a man who has kept the nation safe for seven years while deifying a man who has accomplished absolutely nothing in his entire life except to give speeches about "change."

Posted by: anne C. | June 12, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

"Now STOP, please don't ask me any more questions. No, I won't answer how I know what his name is."

Fine, but don't ask us to think you aren't lying.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 12, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse


I think this kind of thing is a good idea for both candidates. Certainly nothing can halt the deliberate spread of lies by the kind of people who think that doing so is a way to "win" an election (and it is worth noting, that in the old days, anonymous fliers would turn up in mailboxes just before elections).

Even though such a site can't halt deliberate lying, it can remove the "cover" that the internet gives people. If such sites by both the McCain and Obama campaigns are widely known, then people have no excuse not to check out rumors they hear. This will help expose those whose motive is to smear, rather than share information.

Perhaps all politicians should maintain such web sites.

They are a nice complement to urban legend web sites....

Posted by: PatrickInBeijing | June 12, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

tom please explain why it is a Lie to say that Senator Obama is a lightweight. You are aware that JFK served 13 years in Congress, right and that his opponent, Nixon who had 20 years in congress and VP called him a lightweight. And how is it a Lie to say that O served 7 years in the Illinois State Senate voting Present on gun control, juvenile justice and antiabortion bills in the Illinois State Senate(from the Audacity of Hope) and 2 1/2 years of inconsequential service in the US Senate. I have a problem with that kind of experience even though I agree with many more of his policy positions then Sen McCain when he has the guts to actually vote and not simply skirt hard controversial votes.

Posted by: Leichtman | June 12, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Every angry exhalation, every bogus assertion and small-minded criticism, all the rancor and lies and hate leave the smell of desperation hanging heavily in the air.

Afraid of Obama? Suspicious of his provenance? Puh-leaze.

It's all the have left. They've ruined our economy. Broken our military. Flubbed the war against Islamic militants. Bogged us down into a nation-building quagmire. Destroyed our international prestige. Brought back inflation. Foreclosures. Skyrocketing gas prices.

And all the while bin Laden runs free. Al-Qaeda is reconstituted and stronger than ever. The GOP's friends in the oil industry are raking in record profits.

Yeah. That's why it's all about birth certificates, flag pins, phantom videotapes, and all the other BS that means absolutely nada. Witness the ethical degeneracy. The intellectual bankruptcy.

The shame of history will be on their heads. And it's up to the rest of us to fix this mess they've left.

Posted by: Ricardo Malocchio | June 12, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Asper, honeychile, "Jr." and "II" means the same damn thing.

"Now STOP, please don't ask me any more questions."

You actually think you can dictate to this, don't you?

If this is the best you got, you're not serving your side very well.

I'm heartened that "Roll Call" reports scholarly analysis sets McCranky's chances at 30%. Everything between now and then will be just noise and filler and made-up BS, since MSM and folks need something to process and pass the time.

Posted by: Mary | June 12, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

One party defines caring by the number of people receiving services; the other tries to measure success by the number of people who no longer need government support. One party wants to keep taxes lower for all Americans; the other wants lower taxes from some Americans and higher taxes for a select few. One candidate wants to end earmarks and cut government spending; the other promises to expand government spending on universal healthcare. One candidate is calling for bringing soldiers home from Iraq by the end of 2009 whether victory is achieved or not; the other candidate is calling to stay until the work is done and the new Iraqi government and their forces can maintain order and want us to leave.

Posted by: no issues, we're Dems | June 12, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey Ash, re "Larry Sinclair goes to the National Press Club on June 18" -- anyone can rent a room at the hotel and give a press conference. But everybody, don't say anything bad about Larry Sinclair. Last time I checked, he was suing three bloggers by their internet identities for suggesting that he was in a mental hospital at the time he said he was smoking something with Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

>>maria wrote: "Aspergirl: You obviously have no interest in departing from your lunatic narrative that somehow Barack Obama is "not who he says he is". His book is not "fiction" because he uses a few composite characters."

His book is "historical fiction" because he says it is. Just like he has a disclaimer saying that he uses "composite characters".

It's the only reason why he's not ridiculed in the media as a liar for claiming all these things happened in his books that never happened.

Although I'm sure that he can defend the things he says in those books now, by putting up cleverly worded "smear" denials on his fightthesmears.org website.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman, I have never said you cannot vote for someone.

That's what Repukes do. They disenfranchise voters. I don't believe in that because it is un-American.

I said you cannot still be a Democrat or be a Hillary supporter and vote McLame.

Once you cross over to the dark side, you are there. You can come back anytime, but don't think you can straddle it.

Stop fooling yourself. You are NOT a Democrat if you vote McLame.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 12, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Getting a mention on the 'Fight the Smears' will probably be an accomplishment to be proud of in some circles.

After awhile - as the library grows - it could begin to look like Republican's are slimers, and Democrats / Independents are not. McCain might not think a mountain of b*llsh*t is necessarily a good thing. Sure a few nutcases is expected, but process of elimination will dictate that McCain represents the liars.

Not that the dwindling lunatic fringe really cares about acting like children, there'll always be enough nut-cases to keep Limbaugh in business.

They'll keep babbling - it's good for them. Gives them something to do. The grown-up's will remember what it was like when the nutcases tried to govern.

I suspect that the grown-up Republicans won't be able to remove the officially sanctioned slime until after they've spent some time being in the minority everywhere.

Oh by the way. Electricity moves just as fast now as it did four years ago - the preception that things move faster now is probably either cultural or personal awareness / education.

I wonder if McCain knows anything about these new fangled computers? I'm not sure how many 72 year old's do. I wonder how much of hanicap that is?

Who can represent the common person better? Someone who can google up something, or someone that thinks the mouse is a remote control?

Posted by: NoOneImportant | June 12, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"Aspergirl ... People are hip to the scare tactics, you tool. You are as transparent as the "supporters" you make up to applaud your dumb a$$."

The crazy guy who stalks me on the forums and threatens me is back... I presume you're Rev. Wright blogging from the office computer in Trinity Church.

Posted by: AsperGirl
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I presume you are on your fourth glass of wine. As if Rev Wright would be interested in your crazy a$$...

Posted by: Danger Aspergirl, danger!! | June 12, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"Instead of going to all these misinformation-and-disinformation lengths and putting up cleverly-worded websites, why not just produce the birth certificate and answer the questions that are asked?"

The funny thing is that the website actually has his birth certificate on there.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert

Wow, he was born in Hawaii just two years after it became a state.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 12, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

It's a real shame that the gop, the McCain campaign and it's supporters can't honestly campaign on the issues. They have to stoop to untruthful smears and fantasy. It may be effective for their party, but it's hell on the country. Don't forget that those tactics elected GW Bush twice.

Shame on John McCain, aka "The Gelding"

Posted by: Julie | June 12, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman, you're a Repuke spewing talking point smears against Obama.

The same tired and debunked LIES we have been hearing for months.

You're no Democrat. You're no Hillary supporter.

You're a Repuke and lying about it.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 12, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman...yawn.... if you hurry, the McCain site is still up and taking donations. We know, you are not voting for Obama. I think there will be a Republican crossing over to Obama's side to match your stomping off. So, I guess you leaving will not be the epic Greek tragedy we all thought of when you made up your mind the minute Senator Obama made his announcement.

Posted by: If Leichtman falls in the woods...does anyone care | June 12, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

AspirinGirl gives me a headache.

She's a Repuke troll who constantly stinks up the WaPo blogs. She has nothign to say.

And "proudtobeGOP"? What a moron. He's proud to be a torturing traitorous lying Constitution-hating un-American scumbag.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 12, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I looked at the site. It's just starting up and obviously needs a lot of work. As one of the people posting here makes it clear, the rumor that Obama attended a Muslim elementary school in Indonesia has a fall back position that gee, even if it wasn't a Muslim school, Obama was registered as a Muslim or majored in Muslim studies or some such crap. They're hoping that CNN's reporter didn't take good enough notes and won't send a reporter all the way to Indonesia a second time. When that version of the rumor gets shot down, the rumor will be that Obama was a member of the Muslim club or wore a shirt made out of muslim or something like that.

Posted by: nazcalito | June 12, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl: You obviously have no interest in departing from your lunatic narrative that somehow Barack Obama is "not who he says he is". His book is not "fiction" because he uses a few composite characters. You ignore countless other press accounts of his background. You start rambling about "Arabs in Africa" like that is supposed to mean something to me? Because there are "Arabs in Africa" that are committing "genocide" am I supposed to think that by playing "six degrees of separation" that anyone who has a African relative is now a radical terrorist?

Thank God millions of Americans are not as small-minded and idiotic as you appear to be. Nothing will satisfy you because you are unreachable.

Posted by: maria | June 12, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I was kicked out by the White man, I was put down by my woman a bum wouldn't take food or money from me, because I thought I was speaking the truth. Satan hates all truth seekers and admires Liars, finger pointers and deceitful, individuals. Now the White wants me back, me woman picked my up and the BUM gave me a dollar, it did not take them long to realize that doing satans' work made them fell empty used and abused and I forgave them, and I forgive all of you who are negative towards Obama look in the mirror and make a change

Posted by: Kicked out | June 12, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Mike and Leichtman are obviously two of these McLame trolls.

NO REAL HILLARY SUPPORTER WOULD EVER VOTE FOR McLAME!!


What is a troll to you tom? My guess anyone who dares to disagree with you. Incidentally you stated the McCain campaign sent me here. Interesting. I started posting in late February so that is nonsense.

I respect McCain but disagree with him on a whole host of issues. I disrespect O and his supporters but agree with him and many issues, but not his cap gains or healthcare policies. I guess that makes me a troll to you tom. Any other idiotic descriptions you have for folks like me or mike who simply disagree with a candidate with a few years experience in the Illinois State Senate and 2 years in the US Senate. And they said that JFK with 13 years in Congress was a lightweight. And oh yes we can not dare vote for McCain. Is that another of your Constitutional posts?

Posted by: Leichtman | June 12, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Since when is the truth considered a smear? That must be obamalogic.

Posted by: obiewan | June 12, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

"McCain is secretly a Moonie" - Posted by: stan

Although that sounds looney, it is quite possible McLame is a Moonie.

Rev. Moon and his whacko cult have made huge inroads in DC. They got a bunch of Reps and Senators to go to some weird "Coronation" of Rev. Moon last year.

Moon owns the Washington Times and United Press International, so he is also manipulating the media towards his whacko cult goals.

Don't believe me, google it for yourself.

Is McLame a Moonie? I don't think he married Cindy at one of those whacko mass wedddings. But he is probably taking money from Moon.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 12, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

CC writes "the sheer level of misinformation/whispers/innuendo is FAR higher as it relates to Obama than any candidate in recent memory."


That's because the sheer level of inexperience/untestedness/unproven-ness is FAR higher as it relates to Obama than any candidate in recent memory.

When all we've seen from him in his very brief time in the public spotlight points to poor judgement and questionable associations, then it is perfectly reasonable for voters to form opinions of the man based partly on snippets of info and insinuations about his character.

It is all we have (other than those 130+ present votes) to go by.

Posted by: proudtobeGOP | June 12, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"Aspergirl ... People are hip to the scare tactics, you tool. You are as transparent as the "supporters" you make up to applaud your dumb a$$."

The crazy guy who stalks me on the forums and threatens me is back... I presume you're Rev. Wright blogging from the office computer in Trinity Church.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

>>Mary wrote: "Honey, how did you arrive at the conclusion that the suffix of his name wrong regardless of whether it's listed as "II" or "Jr."?"

You don't even know what your candidate's name is? His name is "Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.", not "Barack Hussein Obama II" like that absurdly bad fake birth certificate on dailykos shows.

Now STOP, please don't ask me any more questions. No, I won't answer how I know what his name is.

It's easy to be confused since he doesn't even post his full name anywhere. You have to go to a third-person biographer with him because everything about him is concealing who he is, even to the point where he doesn't post his full name on his senate website.

You Obama supporters don't know much about your candidate, believing everything he puts out. You don't even know that his "autobiographies" are "historical fiction" with "composite characters".

You certainly won't figure out what is wrong with the cleverly-worded "smears" and "truth" of his fight-the-smears website.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"How am I lying?" - Mike.

When you said "I am a Hillary supporter backing McCain"

You were never a real Hillary supporter if you are willing to vote for McLame.

I don't care if you sent her money. I don't care if you put up her yard sign.

You don't follow her platform. You didn't follow her call for YOU to support Obama.

You were NEVER a real Hillary supporter. You were just LYING to yourself, to Hillary, to your neighbors, and to everyone reading this blog.

Go vote for McLame. Vote AGAINST everything you say you support in Hillary. But don't lie to us and claim you are a Hillary supporter.

You never were.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain is secretly a Moonie

Posted by: stan | June 12, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl - you really think that your posts have any credibility left? You are embarassing yourself and it is little wonder why you are getting the backlash you richly deserve. What is laughable is that you repeat like a dithering GOP bot parrot the same dark conspiracy-laden talking points. People are hip to the scare tactics, you tool. You are as transparent as the "supporters" you make up to applaud your dumb a$$.

Posted by: 2008 | June 12, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Ok .. How will he fight back on so many charges some of them are still under investigation ..

Larry Sinclair goes to the National Press Club on June 18th.

http://www.press.org/calendar/calendar.cfm


Posted by: Ash | June 12, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Tom3 I am voting McCain so Hillary will be the president in 12 if not 08 my friend. In other words when we finally do get a democrat in the white house again i want it to be a good qualified vetted one. not some lying scum bag.

Posted by: Mike | June 12, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

>>Mike wrote: "Tom3 and anyone else who does not belive I am a Hillary supporter backing McCain how do you want me to prove it."

Mike, they're just tormenting you.

There is nothing odd about you supporting McCain. Millions of women want to do that. The only problem is that McCain hasn't reached out in any real way to women, because he hasn't modified his politics about reproductive rights at all to accommodate centrist women, even though he had warning for weeks that disaffected Clinton voters were going to be cut loose.

But that wouldn't be as much of a problem for a man, unless abortion was his top issue.

There's nothing in what they're saying. They're just hacking at you. That's their job. Harass and bully others.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Tom if you are representative of the D part you are absolutely right I will no longer be a part of the national D party and will just concentrate on state wide D races to work on. Kind of interesting. I hate the Constitution? I do criminal defense and have written Constitutional briefs. How about you, what have you done for the constitution lately other than to antagonize anyone who disagree with you. That sounds like you are a real believer in the first amendment.

Its hard for me to admit that I may be voting for a R President the first time in my life and work like hell for all other D's down ballot. Does that make me a R? Most of my R friends and R Judges would find that assertion to be hillarious but hey if that makes you feel better go for it.

"Leichtman, if you are supporting McLame, you are NOT a Democrat. Not anymore."

You're just another Repuke who hates our Constitution, loves treason and torture, and wants another 4 more years of both.

No likely just an Independent who is fed up with O supporters like you who constantly insult and question our patriotism. Sounds a lot like what we hear from the far right.

Posted by: Leichtman | June 12, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Asper, I thought you weren't going to post anymore? No discipline/control either, I gather.

"The point is that Obama's name on that dailykos birth certificate is even a mistake. They didn't even get his name right."

Honey, how did you arrive at the conclusion that the suffix of his name wrong regardless of whether it's listed as "II" or "Jr."?

Posted by: Mary | June 12, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Mike, you moron.

I never said you could not be real Democrats unless you voted for Obama.

Sit this one out if you want to.

But you cannot be a real Democrat and vote for McLame. He is opposed to everything the Democrats believe in.

McLame is also a notorious flip-flopper who even flip-flopped on his most closely held personal issue...torture.

Anybody who would discard their most closely held personal views like that...is a man without a conscience and cannot be trusted to run this great nation.

McLame. More of the same.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Gee, Chris, et tu. Is everyone in the media in the tank for Sen. Obama? Seriously, are getting the tiggling up your leg. You seemed to be really excited by Obama's new web site. Oh, those mean nasty republicans. To hear the media tell it, the Democrats have never played a dirty trick or attacked the other side. C'mon Chris. Wake up and smell the pro Obama bias!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

>>maria wrote: "Aspergirl: I could give a rat's a** what Reverend Wright has to say. I am sure if you were raised as a black man in the 1950's and 60's you might harbor just a teeny bit of anger yourself but I have no reason to be "afraid" of his views. It's called having EMPATHY and you should try it sometime."

Maria, I don't care what you do with your rat's a**. You can give it to anyone you want. You asked me for an example of Obama lying about who he is and who he's been hanging around with and I answered your question.

Again, the problem isn't Rev. Wright. I'm not afraid of his views, although I think he's got emotional problems cooked into a kind of social personality disorder. The problem is Obama lying and covering up who he is and who he's been hanging around with all his life.

Obama has spent most of his time in this campaign season lying and covering up. His campaign has spent more effort spinning and evading who he is and who he's been hanging around with than it has answering simple questions.

Even his own "autobiographical" books are admittedly historical fiction with composite characters.

Obama is not reality. Nothing about him is real.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Tom3 and anyone else who does not belive I am a Hillary supporter backing McCain how do you want me to prove it. Money I dontaed to her over the last year? Well I offered to send cancled checks to Tom and he said no. Can you think of another way? I have Hillary yard signs, hats stickers, you name it. I saw her speak at W&L high school in arlington I have been to her headquarters on farifax drive. What more do you need to know how can i prove it and How am I lying?

Posted by: Mike | June 12, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness the marginal fruitcakes that post on this board, AsperGirl being their leader, will soon crawl back into the woodwork when Obama becomes President. Or perhaps they'll just return to their whisper campaign that the United Nations is about to invade Texas. Whatever. I'll just be glad to be rid of them all when they realize that they can't lie and cheat their way into the White House *again*.

Posted by: RobBob | June 12, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

"The point is that Obama's name on that dailykos birth certificate is even a mistake. They didn't even get his name right."

Okay. So please give us your brilliant theory about where Senator Obama was born. I am ready for a good laugh. Maybe you need to head back to Paranoid Lunatic Larry Johnson's blog to find some "answers" to this burning question.

Posted by: maria | June 12, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

At the end of the day, what we will see is:
1.McCain portrayed by the GOP as an honorable man, consensus builder across the aisle, and patriot. This is all true...
2. Obama portrayed by the GOP as a man of dubious relations and character, little experience in government, and arrogant naivete; one who plays the race card to trumpet shrilly his "entitlement" to high office.
Already the DNC is playing a losing strategy of attacking Senator McCain on points which Mr. Obama has no strengths, and proclaiming Senator McCain to "be" GWB Jr. The GOP will have this play right to their strengths, as McCain is already distancing himself from the current Administration, along with many other Republicans.
Frankly, America can not afford to have a President "learn on our dime" in this extremely dangerous world. The GOP will show McCain as a real American Hero (true), and thinking Citizens will realize that McCain has the substance to be an acceptable President, while Obama is a chimera with too many unknowns.
No matter who wins, do not expect any change for the better the next few years...

Posted by: Dr. GLK | June 12, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"Barack Obama's real name is 'Barack Hussein Obama II'? I didn't know he was a 'II'."

Actually Obama formerly styled himself as "Jr." but you are supposed to stop using that when "Sr." goes to his reward. Obama's father is now deceased.

"II" is supposed to indicate you were named exactly the same as somebody else in your family, but not your father. In polite society it is reserved for pontiffs and potentates. Using the same first and middle names over and over and dishing out roman numerals to your offspring is considered hopelessly ostentatious.

Posted by: fzdybel | June 12, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

The McLame campaign recently asked for volunteers to troll blogs for McLame.

Mike and Leichtman are obviously two of these McLame trolls.

NO REAL HILLARY SUPPORTER WOULD EVER VOTE FOR McLAME!! He and Hillary are completely opposed politically. There is no common ground between them whatsoever.

And the "Obama supporter vitriol" argument is bullcrap. This is about the issues. Hillary and McLame are opposed on the issues. NO Hillary supporter would EVER vote for McLame. Never. No way.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 12, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

This paper is such a shill. Front page for this? of all the things going on, front page for this? Liberals love to bash FOX and then they put this crap as front page news?

Posted by: wapo the liberal rag | June 12, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman I am glad someone is telling us we can not be democrats if we do not support Obama. I thought this country was built on free thinking as it not? Are we not allowed to think for ourselves? Are we not allowed to dissagree with how the primary process was run and how Obama had attack all Hillary supporters time and time again. And they wonder why we will not back the "selected" Nominee

Posted by: Mike | June 12, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

>>Maria wrote: "Aspergirl: How is Obama "covering" anything up about his family background when he has a national bestselling book (actually two books) that go into deep detail about it. You are a blind hater who is looking for any idiotic reason to spew endless bile like so many others here."

Firstly, Obama's books aren't accurate. In them, he carefully points out that they are "historical fiction" with "composite characters".

They aren't reality. Nothing about the candidate is reality.

Secondly, he keeps lying and getting caught in lies. Now, his campaign puts up this website with its carefully-worded refutations, instead of the candidate answering simple questions and providing a birth certificate.

Instead of just answering direct questions about why he was registered as being "Muslim" in the Catholic school he attended as a child in Indonesia, and why his book says that he was in "Koranic studies" if he wasn't registered as a Muslim there, the campaign posts a disingenuous, cleverly-worded, narrow "smear" refutation on its website: "LIE: Barack Obama attended a radical madrassa". (Why don't he answer the FACT of his status at that school in Indonesia, instead of just answering the narrowly-worded "LIE" he posted?) The website answers narrowly-worded questions that no one is asking while ignoring the broader questions.

And why does Obama still refuse to provide a copy of his birth certificate? -- Because he is identified on that birth certificate as being Arab, since his father was an African Arab. There are many ethnicities in Africa, ranging from the black Jews of Ethiopia to the black Arabs of the Sudan who are committing genocide against non-Arab Africans of Darfour. Obama's father was identified as "Arab" in his Kenyan birth records and Obama's identified as an "Arab" on his own, with "Muslim" as the religion.

The little, specific and real investigative reporting that has been done on the subject has clearly not supported the stories the Obama campaign has been pushing.

LA TImes Story on Facts About Obama's Religion in Childhood
(http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/bal-te.obama16mar16,1,7181735,full.story)

How can a man run for President while refusing to disclose his birth certificate? How can he get away with posting disingenuous, narrowly worded refutations on websites, in place of answering questions?

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Mike, you are still a lying sack of crap.

Take those Hillary stickers off your car, you liar. You are NOT a Hillary supporter if you are going to support McLame.

McLame is OPPOSED to ALL of Hillary's platform.

I am calling bullcrap at 4:58 Eastern time.

Mike is a liar. He is NOT a Hillary supporter, he is a propagandist for McLame who is in here to try and sway Hillary supporters to McLame.

No REAL Hillary supporter would EVER vote for McLame. He is completely opposed to what she believes in.

Mike = LIAR

Posted by: Tom3 | June 12, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I was raised by rednecks and escaped to civilization, but it wasn't long before they came gunning for civilization on AM talk radio, used as fat ignorant dupes by a bunch of GOP tricksters (many from the original Nixon criminal squad). Now they have taken over and wrecked the U.S. government. They did this with filthy smears which any respectable intelligent person would avoid like the plague, but which perfectly suits the 700 pound American know-nothing redneck, who poses as a Good Christian but can't wait to hear and spread the latest crap about anyone.

In every other country in the world today, they teach their children in school that it is the morbidly obese American redneck which ruined a once-heroic country, dumbing it down to the level of a George W. Bush. They were held to the fringe for years except for a few flareups like McCarthy era, however talk radio empowered them to take over and bring redneck ruin upon us. now it is all up to a new generation to save this country, with a transformative leader like Obama. But BE WARNED, the system is set up to kill that which it cannot smear. And the America redneck will not rest his 700 pound waddling tub butt until total trailer-park-in-a-tornado ruin is achieved.

Posted by: gregrocker | June 12, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Mike the O supporters here totally underestimate how fed up we are with their vitriol. If the O campaign ever intends to legitimately reach out to the HC supporters and bring us back into the fold they should start here, imploring their bloggers and supporters to tone it down. That is truly doubtful.

Posted by: Leichtman | June 12, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl: I could give a rat's a** what Reverend Wright has to say. I am sure if you were raised as a black man in the 1950's and 60's you might harbor just a teeny bit of anger yourself but I have no reason to be "afraid" of his views. It's called having EMPATHY and you should try it sometime.

I have every reason to believe that Obama can see both sides of the black/white race issue because he is of both worlds. That you see him as some sort of "threat" speaks volumes about who you are. Go vote for McCain if you want to but don't pretend that what you are saying here has any credibility.

Posted by: maria | June 12, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Ok tom3 be a big wimp. I have hillary stickers on my car which will soon have McCain stickers right next to them. I am not a blind sheep like you because hillary says something it does not make me do it. See this is where you can see the difference between a smart thinking democrat and a sheep. Tom my friends is a sheep who would do anything obama says with out thinking which to me is scary. I support Hillary and will do so til the end but in no way will i support a lying minipulating punk like Obama.

Posted by: Mike | June 12, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

>>Mary wrote: "Barack Obama's real name is 'Barack Hussein Obama II'? I didn't know he was a 'II'. "If he was a 'II', isn't a 'II' usually called 'Jr.'?"
--Er, not sure what your point is here, but the use of Roman numerals on a name goes back, well, for millennia.

The point is that Obama's name on that dailykos birth certificate is even a mistake. They didn't even get his name right.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The 2008 Presidential Election VP Poll Is Now Open!

http://www.votenic.com

Run By a Kid.

Posted by: Donna Cassey | June 12, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Now Obamaites know how Hillary's supporters feel. As they used to say to us--oh booo hooo, get over it. Have fun McCaneites.

Posted by: Julie | June 12, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Now Obamaites know how Hillary's supporters feel. As they used to say to us--oh booo hooo, get over it. Have fun McCaneites.

Posted by: Julie | June 12, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

A note to all who are posting, attacking anyone who wants to try to get us out of this mess that Bush has gotten us into is unacceptable whether you are black,white,KKK or other we all live in this country and that son of a Bush got us in a real jam,Obama was head of his class at Harvard and loves America as I am sure all of you do so let us put our heads together and turn this country aroundand after we fix it we can have a beer and talk about our future advances not war or hate but being the leaading greatest country on earth, peace love and happiness to all

Posted by: Rockin rob | June 12, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman, if you are supporting McLame, you are NOT a Democrat. Not anymore.

You're just another Repuke who hates our Constitution, loves treason and torture, and wants another 4 more years of both.

Go to hell.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 12, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman, if you are supporting McLame, you are NOT a Democrat. Not anymore.

You're just another Repuke who hates our Constitution, loves treason and torture, and wants another 4 more years of both.

Go to hell.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 12, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama lied about his parents and Selma AL he lived about his uncle invading someplace. He lied about aushwitc(sp?) the list goes on and on and on. The worst part he is lying about meaningless junk. Which makes me wonder what else he may be lying about

Posted by: Lies | June 12, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

TOM3 Do you not believe me what is your email address? I will prove to you i am a hillary supporter who is now supporting McCain as well as millions apon millions of free thinking true americans.

Posted by: Mike

No, Mike, you're a lying sack of crap.

You're not a Hillary supporter. If you were, you'd be supporting Obama right now, like she asked you to do.

And no, I don't give out my email address to Repukes. You're all a bunch of inbred redneck psychotics with liquor, meth and guns.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

"That goes for you Leichtman, you're a lying sack of crap."

Another Unity Message for another out of control Obama supporter.

interesting tom3. I would be happy to share the details of the campaign and legal protection and fundraising roles I have held for the Governor Richards, Ted Strickland/Sherrod Brown, John Kerry/Senator Salazar, Chris Bell,Senator Webb Ken and Lloyd Bentsen campaigns and my family's financial contributions to these candidates over the last 30 years. And I guess you have helped these candidates, how, by entering your hatefilled posts?

Apparently tom you have to address any D who dares question your candidate with hate and vitriol and ugly sentiments to prove how superior you think you are. The HC supporters have listened to that garbage since February. And you wonder why so many HC supporters don't want anything to do with your campaign?

Posted by: Leichtman | June 12, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I guess it is easier for you Repukes to smear me than to address my legitimate gripes against you Repukes.

Why are you smearing Obama both as a Muslim and as a radical Christian at the same time?

Why are you smearing Obama as not saluting the flag or saying the Pledge when there is video of him doing both...and leading the entire US Senate in doing so??

Why are you a bunch of idiots who support Chimpy and McLame and their policies of torture, treason, and lying to start wars where their pals make obscene profits while our kids die??

I guess it is just easier to take cheap shots at me than actually face facts.

You Repukes are a bunch of scumbags. UnAmerican, Constitution-hating scumbags.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 12, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I guess it is easier for you Repukes to smear me than to address my legitimate gripes against you Repukes.

Why are you smearing Obama both as a Muslim and as a radical Christian at the same time?

Why are you smearing Obama as not saluting the flag or saying the Pledge when there is video of him doing both...and leading the entire US Senate in doing so??

Why are you a bunch of idiots who support Chimpy and McLame and their policies of torture, treason, and lying to start wars where their pals make obscene profits while our kids die??

I guess it is just easier to take cheap shots at me than actually face facts.

You Repukes are a bunch of scumbags. UnAmerican, Constitution-hating scumbags.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 12, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

TOM3 Do you not believe me what is your email address? I will prove to you i am a hillary supporter who is now supporting McCain as well as millions apon millions of free thinking true americans.

Posted by: Mike | June 12, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"I'd respect him more if he just admitted it"

Since there's apparently nothing to admit, I guess it's fortunate that your respect is nothing of importance.

Posted by: fzdybel | June 12, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, one more thing Asper:

"Barack Obama's real name is 'Barack Hussein Obama II'? I didn't know he was a 'II'."

So??

"If he was a 'II', isn't a 'II' usually called 'Jr.'?"

Er, not sure what your point is here, but the use of Roman numerals on a name goes back, well, for millennia.

Posted by: Mary | June 12, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

What the hell is being threaded here? Christ, every move Obama makes is phony. If a Republican makes a similar move its nigh on to gospel. I think the right is irrefutably ignorant of the fact that they are deeply indebted to their own blind sightedness. Too much Rush religion in their veins. Hey, good luck selling that old, swayback gray mare to America's anxious racetrack betters. Should have tried to run Tweety Bird. At least the bird could speak coherently. Oh, my, now I'm being effected by the actions of the blind sighted.

Posted by: faulpelz | June 12, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey Tom3, do you really think you're advancing the conversation, using terms like 'repukes' and 'lying sack of crap'?

I don't like Republicans. They are torturers and traitors. "Repuke" suits them.

AT least I don't LIE AND SMEAR like you Repukes do. You smeared John Kerry's record, so you insulted ALL veterans.

Now you're smearing Obama so poorly that you are both smearing him as a Muslim and as a radical Christian at the same time.

You ARE Repukes. You ARE lying sacks of crap. And you're obviously whiners too.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 12, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama is such a funny guy about distractions and smears = AKA THE TRUTH.
He doesn't take to them too kindly and when he gets called on his lies, he bangs out a bunch of blog-like fodder and feeds it to the saps out there who just eat it up. It is why we love the internet---it is shallow and tepid and you can manipulate the people who don't know the difference between truth and reality, vs. lies and manipulation. Welcome to the Obama world!

Posted by: swoosie | June 12, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Wow!!! Once again we are blessed with Tom3 (TomIII in the regular comment areas) and his continuing need for adjusting his medication that controls his nervous, froth at the mouth, Frat Boy, name calling.

Posted by: Again | June 12, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

As a member of the downtrodden white race who lives in abject fear of anyone who doesn't appear to be like me I must say I am really proud that there are so many others out there who are willing to speak the truth about Obama. I don't really trust those folks who go to Columbia and Harvard. I hear that you have to graduate from high school to attend these elitist institutions. That's not anything a real American would do! They really are all bent on destroying the country and replacing the government with a pack of angry black muslims who will impose sharia law on all the good white people while they burn the flag. And they won't let us eat bacon anymore either!

Posted by: USA USA! | June 12, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"No one can comment on the black candidate lying about his background"
--Prove one lie - one! and I might have a shred of respect for you. Just one. Any lie, any at all.

First Obama said that Rev. Wright's comments were just taken out of context, spliced together and played over and over again to create a certain [wrong] impression.

But then Wright showed up at the National Press Club reciting the same things and in his "black racist" tour that weekend he more or less spent hours expounding on his racist theories, like how blacks learn with different areas of their brains than whites do. (That would be a neat trick since we don't have enough variation in our DNA as a species to have different brain function).

After that, Obama acted surprised, and explained how Rev. Wright wasn't acting like the man he knew for 20 years, when Rev. Wright's behavior is perfectly consistent with the dozens of hours of recorded sermons and published Trinity Church newsletters.

Why doesn't he just admit that his wife is the Afrocentric black separatist from way back in her undergraduate sociology concentration, and that he could care less?

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Andrea Mitchell is a corporate wh0re and a sellout for the Repuke propaganda machine.

As for the 57 state remark, I thought it was rather amusing. Obama was obviously joking. He called Alaska and Hawaii one state. You Repukes have no sense of humor.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

These comment sections are worthless anymore. They were a good idea that's now 100% sewage, from right and left. What in the world do the Post and other papers think they achieve by maintaining these fountains of libel? Let the "free speech" carry on in a million other blogs and forums that aren't "of record". Sorry to crash the party and complain, but you all have turned these forums into garbage.

Posted by: Ethan Castleton | June 12, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey Tom3, do you really think you're advancing the conversation, using terms like 'repukes' and 'lying sack of crap'?

I'm guessing you're in high school, right?

Posted by: JD | June 12, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama doth protest too much. These emails and blogging information are giving people an idea of what he really stands for and it ain't good, and he and his cult followers know it. They act like animals with degenerate mentalities. Obama knows that the information being released is TRUE and if he wants a fight, he's got it. I for one am not backing down. I did not and will not drink his brand of kool aid. And trying to interfere with first amendment rights could land him a law suit. So little muslim lad, BRING IT ON!

Posted by: Adrian | June 12, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Tom3 do you want proof i am a hillary supporter backing McCain? If so provide me your email address I will send you copys od cancelled checks with donations to her. Then i will send you cancelled checks donated to McCain

Posted by: Mike | June 12, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

The website is a tacit admission of the success of the attacks of the GOP's proxies (but most definitely NOT McCain).

Talk radio and the rest of Conservative Nation will try to cast the aspersions that Mac feels are beneath him; as I predicted a year ago, this campaign is more about beating the liberal than in electing the (sort of) conservative.

Posted by: JD | June 12, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"This Fix column was about a new website, fightthesmears.com.

Has anyone here used the link in the column to check out the website? Why isn't anyone talking about the website, its methods and ideas?"

I just did, doofus. Scroll down.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 12, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Another O supporter's call for Unity:

"the nutty lady"

no jimbo she is Senator Clinton and exFirst Lady to you.

Posted by: Leichtman | June 12, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

What can we expect from people that elected bush twice?

Fear, envy, jealously, etc are very scarey things.

You elected a fool, a liar. a dope fiend, an alcoholic and a draft dodger and you have the nerve to talk bad about OBAMA.

You are fools!

Posted by: Once a Cracker | June 12, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"...if we did manage to elect a Muslim president of the US, the jihadis would be set back on their heels. "

I'd respect him more if he just admitted it, instead of evading direct questions about his childhood and failing to disclose his birth records.

It would also be a lot better if he were truly a Muslim instead of that Trinity Church variety of Christian, with its white-bashing, woman-belittling, pro-Islamist hate speech pastors.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Fight the power!

Fight the power that be!

Posted by: Yeah boyee! | June 12, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

You Repukes are pathetic.

You cannot win on the issues, so you will try to win with lies and smears.

Disgusting scumbags.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 12, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

This Fix column was about a new website, fightthesmears.com.

Has anyone here used the link in the column to check out the website? Why isn't anyone talking about the website, its methods and ideas?

Do posters just read a headline then post their feelings, whether they're connected to the topic or not? Very strange.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl wrote -

"No one can comment on the black candidate lying about his background"

Prove one lie - one! and I might have a shred of respect for you. Just one. Any lie, any at all.


Well?

(crickets)

Posted by: treetopflyer | June 12, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

The WaPo has been flooded with bogus trolls claiming to be Hillary supporters who would vote for McLame over Obama.

Absolute bullcrap. A dirty tricks tactic by the Repukes if ever there was one.

No real Hillary supporter would EVER vote McLame. He is opposed to everything she stands for.

Obama isn't Hillary but at least he is in the same party and shares most of her platform.

McLame is about as far away from Hillary as you can get.

No real Hillary supporter would ever contemplate supporting McLame over Obama.

Anybody who says otherwise is lying.

That goes for you Leichtman, you're a lying sack of crap.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 12, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse


What is he going to do to stop "his" minions from spewing their vile and venomous lies, gossip and racism. Sit on his high horse of Hope and Change and say, not me, not me. Not me.

He's got his number of lies right up there with his number of states. 58 I believe. Could some one post them please.

Posted by: Chief | June 12, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"I've now been in 57 states, I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii" Barry Obama - LATimes

The only nation that has 57 states in it is the nation of Islam.

'The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is an international organization with a permanent delegation to the United Nations. It has 57 Islamic member states, from the Middle East, Africa, Central Asia, Caucasus, Balkan, Southeast Asia, South Asia and South America.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

And the ignorance goes on...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

By the by, Asper, his passport is proof of his citizenship (never mind that it is not necessary to have a birth certificate to establish citizenship). You cannot get the State Department to issue you a passport without evidence of citizenship.

Posted by: Mary | June 12, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Just think, if we did manage to elect a Muslim president of the US, the jihadis would be set back on their heels. At a minimum they'd have to stop and recompute whether we'd become an Islamic nation, and hence out of bounds for jihad.

It would be a master stroke in the so-called war on terror.

Posted by: fzdybel | June 12, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

That fightthesmears site is pretty good.

I particularly like the clip of Obama reciting the pledge, although that could be edited so it just shows the pledge.

Repukes love to accuse Obama of being a Muslim, but at the same time accuse Obama of being a radical Christian.

Which is it, Repukes? LOL!!

Posted by: Tom3 | June 12, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl: How is Obama "covering" anything up about his family background when he has a national bestselling book (actually two books) that go into deep detail about it. You are a blind hater who is looking for any idiotic reason to spew endless bile like so many others here. Nice to have the anonymity of the internet to cover your wretched xenophobic racists butts while you make statements that you would never utter in polite company.

Posted by: Maria | June 12, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Is this your message of Unity?

Apparently any D who believes that Sen Obama is unqualified to be Pres. by his years in the Illinois State Senate is now trashed as KKK and 'relics' i.e. aegism slams against anyone over 25 years old.

And you wonder why so many HC supporters reject your candidate and the outragous and slanderous statements coming from some of his supporters.

"I just have to ask. Do you wear your KKK hoods when you post?

Please, please, please vote for McCain and leave our party alone.

You are relics of the past and are full of hate. You had your moment and now it is over."

Leave the party if you have not drunk the O Kool Aid, don't dare question our DNC selected nominee, and get ready for more O supporters' slurs.

I guess you have yet to read the memo.

When if ever are we going to hear from O supporters attacking this kind of garbage?

My guess, never, because they truly believe in this vitriol towards the HC supporters.

Keep it up. See how that works for you in Nov.

Posted by: Leichtman | June 12, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey who ever keeps posting theobamafile site thank you that site is awesome and truthful unlike fight ths smears

Posted by: Mike | June 12, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Chevy,

An educated redneck is an oxymoron.

Posted by: Once a Readneck | June 12, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Barack Hussein Obama is an apostate Muslim that converted to the Black Liberation Theology preached every Sunday from the pulpit of Trinity Church.

Posted by: jdcw | June 12, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"Why do none of the comments here specifically discuss fightthesmears.com?"

The job of the Obama bots is to verbally attack and argue with anyone who disagrees with or criticizes their candidate. They mob forums and blogs and turn it into a campaign marketing echo chamber. When they aren't harassing and threatening opponents.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Any connection to the religion of Islam is considered by many to be undesirable in a presidential candidate. This is a blatant prejudice too many people are willing to reveal and promote while refusing to admit or failing to see that it is a prejudice.

One of the most persistent rumors is that Obama, a Christian, is some kind of Muslim Manchurian candidate, planted by Islamic fundamentalists to betray the country and it is very widespread. So it isn't that calling Barack a Muslim is a smear per se, but this is the insidious implication they are making.

Posted by: Kristin2 | June 12, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl,

You broke your promise not to respond. But since you did, you are the one obsessed with race, your own.

Those of us in the know are not worried because change is coming. And it will benifit all, regardless of race.

So do not be afraid my child. There is still time for you to come over from the dark side of the force.

Posted by: Once a Cracker... | June 12, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Why doe Howard Dean not want a vote at the convention? This would be the first time in the history of the DNC they did not have a roll call vote. Why???

Posted by: Seth | June 12, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"I've now been in 57 states, I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii" Barry Obama - LATimes

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/barack-obama-wa.html

The more I read that statement the more i'm convinced this nut has brain damage from his past, perhaps current drug use.

Chevy -Educated Redneck

Posted by: Chevy -Educated Redneck | June 12, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

The misinformation campaign is a great experiment in how many ignorant Americans are there in this country. And I read somewhere that Hillary and her supporters are all lesbians. Wow, I guess I should believe it. Poor Bill or maybe he just watches.
Obama/Sebelius 08!

Posted by: 1rap | June 12, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: http://theobamafile.com/ | June 12, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

""Aspergirl: Barack would make a great president. I was just kidding in my previous posts!"

No, Obama bots just post using my name.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl - ObamaBats are great to toy with, enjoy the fun while it lasts.

Still wouldn't be surprised if Hillary is chosen over this nut.

The more he talks the more embarrassing he is and one has to wonder how he ever graduated from Harvard.

He's a full fledged idiot.

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | June 12, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Why is it wrong to ask questions of a presidentail canidate? If we want to see his tax records fine if we want to see his birth certficate fine. I do not see why any of these questions should not be answered. Is this not the due process of vetting a canidate? If i am wrong please say so but all I am doing is asking questions.

Posted by: Mike | June 12, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

>>"I just have to ask. Do you wear your KKK hoods when you post?"

Yes, everything in the world is about your race. Nothing else can possibly be more important to anyone in the world, like whether the presidential candidate chronically lies about himself and his friends. It's all about race race race. It's the only important thing in the world. It's the only issue in this election year. No one can comment on the black candidate lying about his background or friends without it all be about his race.

Afrocentrists!

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

To all the people hyperventilating about Obama's birth certificate and McCain being born in Panama (outside the geographical U.S.) and thus not Constitutionally qualified to run for President, let me just say: GET A LIFE, PEOPLE.

Posted by: Bob in Boston | June 12, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl,

So ask the Kos whether he was recreating what he received because he in turn didn't want to violate the law by photocopying or photostat the contents?

If you are asserting that he's not a U.S. citizen, why don't you spend time ferreting out the facts and posting them?

Posted by: Mary | June 12, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse


Why do none of the comments here specifically discuss fightthesmears.com? It's hard to believe Obama's new website will work. . . when even the posters here do not seem to have logged on.

"fightthesmears.com" is a fascinating, politically intriguing website. It would be interesting to hear people's thoughts about it. But thoughts seem to be in short supply.

Posted by: alsacecypr | June 12, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

There is going to be a huge smear campaign from the Repukes against Obama.

That is because Repukes LOSE on the issues.

McLame is 4 more years of failed Chimpy policies and EVERYBODY knows it. Even Repukes know it.

So brace yourselves for a disgusting smear campaign from redneck racist Repukes.

Posted by: Tom3 | June 12, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"The newspaper story you reference only quotes a teacher of his as saying he "was Muslim" and "was registered as a Muslim because his father, Lolo Soetoro, was a Muslim." I have never heard of Barack Obama Sr. being called by that name. Is the teacher recalling this correctly?"

Soetoro was Obama's Indonesian stepfather and his mother's second husband, who was also a Muslim.

"More importantly, who cares? Since neither candidates' American citizenship is in question, their birth certificates are irrelevant to the campaign. It's nice that John McCain released his (although since he was born in the Canal Zone, arguably his is of some small relevance), but why make this an issue?"

It's not about what ethnicity he is or what religion his parents registered him in school as when he was a child. It's that he's lying about who he is and the kind of people he spent his adult life hanging out with, in order to be more popular.

The guy is running for President and half the energy of his campaign goes into covering up biographical information and avoiding questions about his personal history and his friends.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Why do none of the comments here specifically discuss fightthesmears.com? It's hard to believe Obama's new website will work. . . when even the posters here do not seem to have logged on.

> is a fascinating, politically intriguing website. It would be interesting to hear people's thoughts about it. But thoughts seem to be in short supply.

Posted by: alsacecyr | June 12, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Jim, Aspergirl, Muskrat, etc.,

I just have to ask. Do you wear your KKK hoods when you post?

Please, please, please vote for McCain and leave our party alone.

You are relics of the past and are full of hate. You had your moment and now it is over.

Make way for a country that respects diversity and is committed to escaping its racist and intolorent past.

Good riddence to bad rubbish!

Posted by: Once a Cracker... | June 12, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse


hey how come there are no user names on some of these posts?

has the wapo stooped to this?

Posted by: JohnAdams1 | June 12, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Let's keep a record of who does the smearing. Maybe we'll have a chance to get some revenge in the near future.
Payback is hell!

Posted by: tomhere | June 12, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

aspergirl says...
"I'm not going to respond to Obama bots anymore."
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Good. Then don't. We're tired of your rumor-mongering. It's a sin, you know.

Posted by: Janice | June 12, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Apology accepted Aspergirl!! Thank you!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

don't know who is worse at slinging trash about Obama, the McCain supporters or the Hillary supporters. I also heard the nutty lady on CSPAN this morning go on about some nonsense relating to money for terrorists in Kenya. I laughed so hard I almost spilled my coffee. Just amazing!

Posted by: Jimbo | June 12, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I call this "SPYING ON US" IS THIS LEGAL, OR THIS IS a BUSH STYLE. sO, oBAMA IS CHECKING our EMAIL, ???, ANY COMMENT??

Posted by: 007danutka | June 12, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"Aspergirl: Barack would make a great president. I was just kidding in my previous posts!"

Is there hope for the rest of white America?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DHI | June 12, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Indeed he would make a great president, Aspergirl. I accept your apology.

Folks, enjoy the discombobulated rantings of these right-wingers. They are in distress. Their poisonous vision of America is being shoved back down their throats by an electorate that's finally sick and tired of the hate and the lies, tired of our hard-won freedoms being shredded for the sake of "preserving our freedoms", and tired of being screwed over so that the corporate interests can reap record profits as our sons and daughters die in a pointless war that's made us weaker and our enemies stronger.

And so they change the subject. To birth certificates, phantom video tapes, and any other irrelevance they can cite to avoid discussing the issues that matter. This is intellectual bankruptcy you're witnessing.

The realignment is on the horizon. Karl Rove's "permanent Republican majority" is about to be wiped away by the flood. The rancorous smears of these right-wing dead-enders is nothing more than a death rattle.

Posted by: Ricardo Malocchio | June 12, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Listen up all you Obama bashers! The Grand Wisard just called and expects all of you at tonights Klan meeting. Don't forget to bring you hoods and crosses!

Posted by: Bushwacked | June 12, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Whoever thinks that spreading lies is "scrutiny" needs to learn something about what TRUTH means.

Lies got us into a never-ending war. Lies got us into Vietnam. Lies help uneducated voters like you feel good about themselves.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with denying downright lies. Our system of justice is based on truth and if you had any integrity, you would think that was something worth fighting for too.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"If you read the rest of my post, you'd see that I also said that waves and curls around the text show that the text was added to the scanned image of a birth certificate, after it was scanned."

Yes, well you were wrong about that. The compression artifacts, present around *all* of the lettering, are the result of simple conversion of the original raster scan to .jpg format. This is a certified copy of recent vintage, so there is nothing "impossibly sharp" about anything in it. Look closely in the lower left hand corner, and what do you see? "OHSM 1.1 (Rev.11/01) LASER"

"Also, there are no certifications or signatures that are of a real official nature on the document."

You may have noticed the seal of the State of Hawaii?

Posted by: speaker to idiots | June 12, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

http://theobamafile.com/ Is a great site

Posted by: theobamafile.com | June 12, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, then it is a duck. Obama's middle name is Hussein. Other than him, does anyone in this vast network of conspirators know of anyone one else other than him with the name of Hussein who is not a Mulsim. Look, I could care less that he was born into the Muslim faith, he has no control of how he is born. However, I do care about the hypocisy and lying about the circumstances of his birth. If he is willing to lie about this, then what else will he lie about. It is inconcievable to me that and Indonisian man who come from the most Muslim of all countries would not have his son registered as a muslim. Let us see his birth certificate and put this issue to rest.

Posted by: Joe migliorise | June 12, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Why the "Obama birth certificate" on dailykos is a fake:

(1) That font for the text didn't exist back then. Form-fill in text wasn't kerned back then unless they were professionally handset printer letters. The whole certificate is otherwise obviously filled with computer-generated text, which didn't exist back in the 1960's when typewriters were used.

(2) There are mathematical artifacts, curls and waves, around the text letters that you can see in the full-sized view, that exist because the text was added by computer after the paper was scanned. The JPEG encoding of the after-scan added text created those "Gibbs" phenomenon artifacts due to the mathematically impossible edges of the computer added text on the scanned image.

(3) There is no signature or certification on the "certificate". There is no certifying official identified on it.

(4) Barack Obama's real name is "Barack Hussein Obama II"? I didn't know he was a "II". If he was a "II", isn't a "II" usually called "Jr."?

(5) If Obama wanted to take the demands to answer questions about his ethnicity and religion, and offer a birth certificate, I'm sure he wouldn't rely on some nameless blogger on a fanatical pro-Obama website to release that documentation on behalf of the campaign.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Once again all you do is call people who do not support Obama a racist. Get a life

Posted by: Obama is the only real racist | June 12, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey Madhatter...Aren't you late for your Klan meeting? You better hurry off.

Posted by: BushWacked | June 12, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA CAMP'S NEW SLOGAN:

"SMOKESCREENS WE CAN BELIEVE IN"

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Hillary 08 we still got time to vet Obama and realize he is low grade dog food

Posted by: Jessie | June 12, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe there are so many people interested in all these rumors and nonsense. I don't care if Obama was or was not a Muslim at age 10. I don't care what his wife said or didn't say, she is not the candidate. I care about where the candidates stand on issues, like when we will we withdraw from Iraq, how will we deal with the energy problem, how will we get the economy back on track. The stuff being spread in these posts is internet nose-picking. Get a life.

Posted by: bgjd1979 | June 12, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

This morning at 7:30am ET, a woman called into C-Span claiming that Obama donated $100,000 to a terrorist organization in Kenya run by his cousin. I'm afraid that this is the kind of crap we'll be hearing about for another 5 months. Thank God for the bloggers, who can network information and sift thru the doggy doo like this lady's assertion. The people now have an education tool that the Republican slime machine can't neutralize thru their contacts at consolidated major media outlets.

Posted by: BennyFactor | June 12, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

More of the same garbage. Aspergirl in a tizzy wooohhoooo!
I have never seen a birth certificate in the US list ethnicity as Arab and I've only had to fill out the paperwork four times in different parts of the country. This whole line of "I don't care, but he's just being dishonest" is a load of crap. You aren't going to vote for him. You were never going to vote for him, so go get a life. Do you honestly think McCain is the end all and be all. He ran around on his disfigured wife when he returned from Viet Nam and then dumped her as soon as he met the heiress. The man is a slime. But then you probably voted for Bush, who has the moral compass of a goat. So this holier than thou crap is really what is disingenuous if you ask me. I hope all of you that get on here and spout this trash are independently wealthy, because if McCain gets elected you won't have a pot to pee in or a window to throw it out after he finishes what Bush started.

Posted by: vmi98mom | June 12, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama Freaks Name one legislative accomplishment?

Posted by: Jim | June 12, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Now that's more like it, Aspergirl! I should have known you were not a real racist, but only kidding!!

Glad to know that you support Obama!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Everyday it amazes me as i speak with obama supports how dumb and blind they really are. They would follow him to the gates of hell before they realized how hot it really was.

Posted by: Mie | June 12, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are on the run this election season. Naturally, they're going to use their usual bag of smears, fearmongering, and half-truths (lies). With Bush's War, Bush's Economy, and Bush's Scandals they're really going to have to throw the mud this time around. Can't wait for a resurgence of CODE RED alerts from Homeland Security!!!

Posted by: A.Lincoln | June 12, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama is one big smear. That what happens when a trailor trash White woman created the first black candidate.

Go figure.

Chevy

Posted by: Chevy | June 12, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Barack would make a great president. I was just kidding in my previous posts!

Posted by: Aspergirl | June 12, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

some of you people, especially the angry ones, make my ass twitch

Posted by: ez | June 12, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Classic quote from the Lexington Herald Leader article:

The race issue is complicated by false, but rampant, rumors that Obama is Muslim. In Leslie County, a Republican county
where Obama won 5 percent of the Democratic vote, the county judge-executive doesn't hesitate before mischaracterizing Obama's religion.

"I think one of the big problems for him is he's Muslim," said Jimmy Sizemore, the highest elected official in the county. "It's his religion, plus when his pastor came out and started talking, that was a problem, but that's just my opinion.

"I don't think it's because he's black, what everybody says is he is a Muslim."

When asked if he had ever researched the fact that Obama -- and the Rev. Wright -- are Christians, Sizemore said: "I don't
care about finding out because I'm a Republican."

Posted by: pdiddy | June 12, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Id take 4 more years of crackhead of 4 years of obamaoron

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

aspergirl, do you know how to relax?

Posted by: ez | June 12, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"SMEARS AGAINST BARACK OBAMA"????
Isn't this the same Barack Obama sleazeball who for 20 years was a member in good standing of a racist white and America--hating church that spewed smears, lies, mis-information, and racial hatred against all white people and against America? Isn't this the same Barack Obama who gave large "DONATIONS" to this racist church in support, who not only took his two daughters to this alleged church to be indoctrinated into their racist and hatefull phylosophy, but honored and gave donations to racist white and America--hater Louis Farrakhan? Isn't this the same Barack Obama who ONLY NOW has seen the error of his 20 year support of this racist and hatefull church after he saw and heard the hatefull racist Jerimiah Wright sermons FOR THE FIRST TIME (yeah right, and pigs fly!) because he needs the white vote and the American patriot vote in order to get elected? Jews have a word for this slimeball white and America--hater "CHUTZPAH"!!!

Posted by: madhatter | June 12, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl, your multiple personalities are signing in to give you a big internet hug...you go, girl!!

Posted by: "Jim" and "Sen" | June 12, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

The last sentence is so bad that I've forgotten what this article was about. It is absolutely abysmal, and doesn't say what you you seem to think it says. An editor, please!

Here, you can use this - "In that, it is an innovative, if inevitable, product of the pace (and nastiness) of modern campaigns."

Posted by: Jamie | June 12, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Treetop couldn't be more wrong. You have to be born on American soil to run for president.

Posted by: Wow. | June 12, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

The new Obama site is a continuation of familiar tactic ... do whatever you want and then turn around and play the vicitm.

It is all well known that this campaign has its basis and strength in internet based attack and disinformation activities, yet they are now coming up a site to 'defend' themselves!! What an irony!

Posted by: Sen | June 12, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

There the obama freaks go again their only recourse is to call you names. get a life and try vetting your canidate.

Posted by: Mike | June 12, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"And why does Obama still refuse to provide a copy of his birth certificate? -- Because he is identified on that birth certificate as being Arab, since his father was an African Arab. There are many ethnicities in Africa, ranging from the black Jews of Ethiopia to the black Arabs of the Sudan who are committing genocide against non-Arab Africans of Darfour. Obama's father was identified as "Arab" in his Kenyan birth records and Obama's identified as an "Arab" on his own, with "Muslim" as the religion."

AsperGirl, where are you getting the information you're pushing? Please post a link to the copy of the birth certificate to which you refer.

The newspaper story you reference only quotes a teacher of his as saying he "was Muslim" and "was registered as a Muslim because his father, Lolo Soetoro, was a Muslim." I have never heard of Barack Obama Sr. being called by that name. Is the teacher recalling this correctly?

More importantly, who cares? Since neither candidates' American citizenship is in question, their birth certificates are irrelevant to the campaign. It's nice that John McCain released his (although since he was born in the Canal Zone, arguably his is of some small relevance), but why make this an issue?

Posted by: turkishd | June 12, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

It never ceases to amaze me how hellfiredly interested everyone is in every single aspect of the Obamas' lives. I wish we cared half as much back in 2000 when we elected a crackhead and his murdering wife to the White House... twice.

Posted by: Amazing | June 12, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

ziggy1 - This whole birth certificate thing is a red herring. Suppose Obama did produce his birth certificate and it showed he was born in Kenya? So what? The Constitution does not say a presidential candidate has to be native-born, the exact words are "natural born American". Obama was born naturally (is there another way?) and he was American at birth due to his mother being an American. McCain was born in Panama, an army brat, and the media, Obama and Hillary all said that didn't affect his eligibility to run one bit. The same should hold true for Obama, whether he was born in Hawaii or Kenya. (ziggy1 - you do know Hawaii's American, right?)

Posted by: treetopflyer | June 12, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I am not a GOP'er I am a democrat who will be voting McCain.

Posted by: Jim | June 12, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to respond to Obama bots anymore. You're all way too verbally abusive, stupid and foul-mouthed. Your job is to harass and threaten and bully those who criticize your candidate, and turn forums into a virtual online Hood.

Posted by: AsperGirl
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Of course you are not going to respond. You got your fat a$$ handed to you (as usual). It is real and you cannot say otherwise. That gibberish you are sprouting doesn't change the fact.

Posted by: Can't stand the heat, Aspergirl...then STEP... | June 12, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse


Just by reading these comments we see who is spreading all the lies about Obama.

Posted by: Deborah Evans | June 12, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Aspengirl do not feel bad Obama freaks only come back is to attack you persoanlly and call you a racist.

Posted by: Jim | June 12, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Is this the best you Republicans got?

Whining about supposedly fake birth certificates?

Wow. You people are DOOMED. You are so screwed. It makes me wonder if you will even be able to hold the South in November. Because, let's face it, the GOP is now merely a regional party and will be that way for generation, given how well you Republicans have been handling things lately.

Griping about birth certificates when you're about to spend 20 years in the political wilderness. Well. . . no one has accused you of being far-sighted or wise recently [meaning, the past 8 years]. So you'll get what you deserve.

Sucks to be you, GOP.

Posted by: Christian in NYC | June 12, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"The problem I have is with a man who is running for President who consistently covers up and evades disclosure about who he is and the kind of people he has spent his adult life hanging around with, in order to be more popular. The problem is not his ethnicity or religion, but his misrepresenting himself during an American presidential campaign.
-AsperGirl"
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TWO THUMBS UP!!!

Posted by: Sen | June 12, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse


for the benefit of another PoS poster, ziggy. Aspertw@t already tried this:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/11012/6168

And as for the town hall meeting - seriously, you think McCain is up for that? After all the confusing statements he made this week?


Posted by: Seriously, is this the new stupid rumor of the day | June 12, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl says: "Yet Obama continues to deny that he and his parents elected to identify him as "Muslim" as a child."

Er, I don't recall him being repeatedly asked whether "his parents elected to identify him as a 'Muslim' as a child." To "continue to deny" something, presumably you need to be pestered about it more than once.

It sounds like you have zippy clue of cultural facts. If one has a Muslim father, one is born/considered a Muslim ... just as if one is born of a Jewish mother, one is born a Jew.

You, however, were evidently born Stupid. And, unlike ignorance, one cannot fix or choose to change that, I'm afraid.

If you're implying that Muslims and Jews cannot choose to become Christians, for instance (or fracking Scientologists for that matter), you are mistaken.

You also present being a Muslim as though it's a flaw. You may not declare that roughly 21% of the world's population has something wrong with them, anymore than you may declare that 33% of Christians are defective ... or that the whole are rotten because of the minority fanatical frackazoid zealots who give their religion a bad name.

Posted by: Mary | June 12, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Mary wrote: "AsperGirl, you're embarrassing yourself. I don't think anyone was claiming that what DailyKos had was the original birth certificate, but a certificate issued by Hawaii as to the state's record of his live birth. The state didn't use computers back when he was born. Whadda fracking dolt you are."

More verbally abusive junk posts by trashy Obama bloggers.

Firstly, the obviously modern font, kerned, computer-generated text is only one way that the 1961 "Obama birth certificate" is a fake. If you read the rest of my post, you'd see that I also said that waves and curls around the text show that the text was added to the scanned image of a birth certificate, after it was scanned. The visual imperfects are an artifact of the mathematical process of the JPEG encoding due to the mathematically impossibly sharp edges of the computer-added text. Specifically, it's a kind of "Gibbs" phenomenon, or filter edge overshoot. They cannot exist on a scanned real document of that size and resolution. Whomever added that text to the "birth certificate", they added it after it was scanned.

Also, there are no certifications or signatures that are of a real official nature on the document. It's a little high-school, photoshop version of a counterfeit that fools the stupid ghetto bloggers but no one else would fall for that.

I'm not going to respond to Obama bots anymore. You're all way too verbally abusive, stupid and foul-mouthed. Your job is to harass and threaten and bully those who criticize your candidate, and turn forums into a virtual online Hood.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so with Obama, we can't criticize him, his wife, his pastor, his sleazy associates, his....... For God's sake people, the guy is running for prez, not some South Chicago alderman.

Posted by: muskrat | June 12, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

So, how about the fact that Obama was the only dem. candidate that broke the rules in Fl? Nobody talks about his cable ads OR hi interview with reporters after after a fund raiser in Tampa. And this is our(Dems.) guy!
If only the MSM had reported fully about Obama.
You( we) got him, now we have to live with him....a least until he gets beaten. Then we will do what we do best, and wait another four years.

Posted by: Samuel | June 12, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The sad fact is that even if Obama were a Muslim, or a Buddhist or whatever, it should not detract from his qualities as a candidate. What we are reduced to is collective blackmail by a majority belief in a Christian-only candidate. See also the political fortunes of Bobby Jindal in LA, who conveniently converted to Catholicism, in a largely Catholic state.

Posted by: AgentG | June 12, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl is a true racist!!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Obamaism(2): Justifiying wrong actions by insisting the wrong actions in question are wide spread.

e.g. "When Obama gave his race speach it was pure Obamaism when he said that all White, Native Americans, Latino's, etc experience racism in their cirlce of friends so why should he be any different?"

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey AsperGirl -

You may want to aply another layer of tin foil to your helmet. The government mind control rays being broadcast from the Washington Monument seem to be penetrating your tin foil helmet. Probably explains the excruciating headaches you are experiencing and causing you to prattle on like someone that has been lobotomized.

Posted by: AperGirl is a Full Colonel in the Tin Foil Helmet Militia | June 12, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Produce a real copy of his birth certificate and the rumor will go away. I for one do not care but to beilve the dailykos and anything they put out is like believe Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: Jim | June 12, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Why dosen't Obama want to show his birth certificate? Curious? Why dosen't he want to debate the old man (McCain) in a townhall format? Is it because it's not rehearsed and may tell the truth? Why is he taking out a deny smear website? He must see something coming down the pike so he's set up for it.

What a two bit phony.

Posted by: ziggy1 | June 12, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Just how much Senate experience does Barack Obama have in terms of actual work days? Not much. From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged TOTAL 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working. After 143 days of work experience, he's ready to be President?

Posted by: pgr88 | June 12, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Wow, it's a conspiracy between Andrea Mitchel, phatservers.net and the fightthesmears.org propagandists to make political pundits laugh. Obama supporters are incredibly narrow-minded fanatics.

Posted by: AsperGirl |
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wow, and you are a incredibly stupid tw@t. what incredible insight will you come up next with before you take your first shower of the day?

Posted by: Aspergirl: girl reporter... | June 12, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

By the way, Asper, I trust you noticed at the bottom of the certificate where it refers to Hawaii statute that the issued certificate "serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding."

Posted by: Mary | June 12, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama's campaign is now pushing misinformation about him via a new "fight the smears" website.

It's a whole new disingenuously oblique approach to Obama's denial of his ethnicity and childhood religion. An Internet-based disinformation approach.

Obama's still trying to combat and cover up the information that he was registered as a Muslim in his Catholic school as a child, that he attended Muslim classes as a child and that his ethnicity is that of African Arab.

Obama registered as a "Muslim" in the Catholic school he attended as a child in Indonesia. The children who were registered as "Muslim" attended Muslim-focused classes and the children who were registered as "Christian" attended Christian-focused classes. In his own book, he describes how he got in trouble in his "Koranic studies" class for making faces during class. Yet Obama continues to deny that he and his parents elected to identify him as "Muslim" as a child.

Instead of just answering questions about why he was registered as being "Muslim" in the Catholic school he attended as a child in Indonesia, and why his book says that he was in "Koranic studies" if he wasn't registered as a Muslim there, the campaign answers a disingenuously, cleverly-worded, narrow "smear" description on its website: "LIE: Barack Obama attended a radical madrassa". (Why don't you answer the FACT of his status at that school in Indonesia, instead of just answering the narrowly-worded "LIE" he posted?) The website answers narrowly-worded questions that no one is asking while ignoring the broader questions.

And why does Obama still refuse to provide a copy of his birth certificate? -- Because he is identified on that birth certificate as being Arab, since his father was an African Arab. There are many ethnicities in Africa, ranging from the black Jews of Ethiopia to the black Arabs of the Sudan who are committing genocide against non-Arab Africans of Darfour. Obama's father was identified as "Arab" in his Kenyan birth records and Obama's identified as an "Arab" on his own, with "Muslim" as the religion.

The little, specific and real investigative reporting that has been done on the subject has clearly not supported the stories the Obama campaign has been pushing.

LA TImes Story on Facts About Obama's Religion in Childhood
(http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/bal-te.obama16mar16,1,7181735,full.story)

And finally, the problem I have with all of this is not what ethnicity or childhood religion Obama has. The problem I have is with a man who is running for President who consistently covers up and evades disclosure about who he is and the kind of people he has spent his adult life hanging around with, in order to be more popular. The problem is not his ethnicity or religion, but his misrepresenting himself during an American presidential campaign.

How can a man run for President while refusing to disclose his birth certificate?

Is the mainstream media really going to let him get away with this cleverly-worded "fightthesmears" website instead of answering questions outright and disclosing his birth certificate?

McCain disclosed his birth certificate.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama fools are nuts they do not look at facts the belive what ever they want to belive and are blind sheep. Obama is the worst thing to ever happen to the democratic party next to Howard YEAAAHHHHHH Dean.

Posted by: Mike | June 12, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, you're embarrassing yourself. I don't think anyone was claiming that what DailyKos had was the original birth certificate, but a certificate issued by Hawaii as to the state's record of his live birth. The state didn't use computers back when he was born.

My birth certificate is hand-written on some stupid little military hospital form, but I can get a certificate from the vital statistics department of my birth state as to my birth if I so choose.

Whadda fracking dolt you are.

Posted by: Mary | June 12, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

UNBELIEVABLE how many of you have your panties in a bunch over the fact that a birth certificate and school enrollment form when Obama was SIX YEARS OLD doesn't look "real" in your truly expert opinions.

WOW, have you played into the hands of the conservative pundits and conspiracy theorists out there.

What the hell do you think is going to happen if Obama is elected, he will MAGICALLY transform into a Jihadist terrorist?! He will pass laws putting Osama bin Laden on the new $20 bill?

What the hell, people?

He is a SITTING U.S. Senator in good standing and an American citizen. Your constant paranoid diatribes are astounding.

Get over it. If you don't like him because of his policies, say that. But the constant shell game with the Muslim, patriotic, and other junk is just ignorant and stupid.

Posted by: Nicholas | June 12, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

How come everytime something bad comes out about Obama it is never his fault. His school admins filled out his paperwork, blah blah blah lies lies lies

Posted by: Mike | June 12, 2008 3:30 PM

Obamaism: Making claims against an opponent while engaging in the same act.

e.g. "Obama's refusal to release his birth certificate after criticizing Clinton for not releasing her tax records is a textbook Obamaism."

Posted by: Patriots Against Obama
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The new set of lies today, 'tards?

Posted by: You can reach Patriots (lol!) against Obama at scaredofblackman.com | June 12, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

>>And Andrea Mitchell, when doing the story for the first time, used the WRONG URL, so she essentially sent viewers to another smear site. Instead of fightthesmears.com, she said fightthesmears.org ..Was that because she isn't for Obama?. ...The web hosting company phatservers.net is hosting the fightthesmears.org site... In fact, they laughed when told that the Obama campaign would likely call them to request that they take the site down."

Wow, it's a conspiracy between Andrea Mitchel, phatservers.net and the fightthesmears.org propagandists to make political pundits laugh. Obama supporters are incredibly narrow-minded fanatics.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

How many times is mark f. tillman going to post the same thing over and over?

Posted by: tom | June 12, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

to those with all you rumors and lies i have one questions

"WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?"

you have none you are just repeating lies

where is your source information

you have none

did you know John McCain was born in Panama
and if someone wanted to make something of it they could potentially challenge his presidency.

why all the lies

you are afraid of fricken name

Barack is a African name(meaning blessed) like mine

the problem his middle name is Hussein and mine is Michael

so all of you ignorant people using so called patriotism to veil your racism

you are officially afraid of a NAME a fricken NAME

how pathetic are you

I have never heard of a Candidate have to say he was a Christian more than this one.

if his name was Barry Dunham (his nickname in school and his mother's maiden name)

you would not have this problem

considering he was raised entirely by white
people and a Asian step father.

This man was raised pretty much by a World War II veteran and his wife

that's who he learned his patriotism

and as far Rezko goes there is one in every
campaign. John McCain's Rezko is called being part of the Keating 5. Obama never did any favors for Rezko the McCain did for
Keating. Now to be McCain turn that around and became an advocate for Campaign Finance reform and the way Obama has raised
money has completely reformed presidential
fundraising and perhaps at ever level.

Ayers was at best a wanna be terrorist using technology that would barely impress a fireworks salesmen. As far as his association the guy and his wife reformed their lives became advocates for public education and became an English teacher. He hosted a fund raiser and gave him $200 in 2001

woopte fricken do

Wright is from the 60's and you can't get noticed in that time period unless you say outrageous things.

But if that is the case then every Catholic
politician should have left the church when they heard that kids and friend of their were molested but that never happened.

again "WHERE IS YOU PROOF"

you have no pictures of him in the Senate not having his hand on his heard during the
pledge where it is said everyday and in the
State senate.

the fact is nobody is perfect

I would like McCain to be younger of if I had my way he would have been the president
the last 8 years. It is obvious he is not the man he was

Obama would be a little older, little more experience with a little different name
and perhaps some military experience

but the fact that no one can deny as said on tv the other day

"Sometimes you pick the moment and sometimes the moment picks you"

THE MOMENT HAS CLEARLY PICKED HIM

even if there are those who are not ready to move forward into the reality of the 21st Century and think we have the ability to turn back the clock.

WE DON'T ANY MORE

$138 oil should have taught you that by now

Posted by: Michael Templer | June 12, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Hotline just released the second major general election poll in two days and it has a few troubling signs for Obama who leads by 2% (down from May). Link: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2008/06/nbcs-much-discussed-general-electio

Posted by: Dan | June 12, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama haters listen up, when Obama become president, I want all of you to remember this. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Be gone! You can say all the hateful things you want. You can even tell them to your family if you wish but at the end of the day, HE WILL BE PRES and I will be LAUGHING AT YO DUMB AZZ!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Another Obama tactic you do not like or trust the guy therefore you are a racist!! Come on get a life. I have an african american wife.

Posted by: Mike | June 12, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Why does the headline on the WAPO website use "Smear"? Aren't questions about Jim Johnson valid? Don't they amount to criticism, not a smear?
Posted by: mark f. tillman | June 12, 2008 3:31

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Still haven't read the article, have you?

Posted by: Just sayin' | June 12, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"On an entirely new topic, do you think "Aspergirl" is the most retarded weirdo ever to blog, or are there other favourites? Please respond."

Most certainly. Conspiracy theory lunatics are wildly self-deluded. Bizarre!

Posted by: Yes! | June 12, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Michelle Obama is big problem for Barack Obama just the same way as Bill Clinton was for Hillary Clinton.

Posting on websites will not help Obama. Significant portions of our American voters do not even log in to the Internet on a daily basis.

Who is Obama? No one knows for sure.

Posted by: Pat | June 12, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Why does the headline on the WAPO website use "Smear"? Aren't questions about Jim Johnson valid? Don't they amount to criticism, not a smear?

Does the headline writer think ALL criticism of Obama equals a smear? Or does the headline writer not grasp that "smear" and "criticism" are not synonyms? Only his/her job, after all, to grasp the distinction.

Posted by: Mark F. Tillman | June 12, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Donna Casey got all breathless over:

http//fightthesmears.org

Yo Donna, lighten up. The website is intended to be humorous. If you hadn't hyper ventilated and passed out, you could have scrolled to the bottom of the home page, and read:

"This Site is in no way Affiliated with the Obama Campaign and is just a parody. The John Mccain site will be ready soon."

In any case, the first amendment trumps your silly protective instincts for Obama.

Posted by: WylieD | June 12, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"Is obama even an American? If so why will he not even release his birth certificate? I can not belive all these sheep are following this herder with out knowing anything about him."

Actually, John McCain is not a natural born American, whereas Obama is. John McCain's birth information in the Panama Canal is somewhat sketchy and some records (entry in the book of newborn babies, for instance) are missing.

Does that mean that both should be disqualified? Where is your skepticism about McCain?

Or is it because he's white and Obama isn't that you are so bothered about these old records?

Posted by: Nicholas | June 12, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Why does the headline on the WAPO website use "Smear"? Aren't questions about Jim Johnson valid? Don't they amount to criticism, not a smear?

Does the headline writer think ALL criticism of Obama equals a smear? Or does the headline writer not grasp that "smear" and "criticism" are not synonyms? Only his/her job, after all, to grasp the distinction.

Posted by: mark f. tillman | June 12, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Why does the headline on the WAPO website use "Smear"? Aren't questions about Jim Johnson valid? Don't they amount to criticism, not a smear?

Does the headline writer think ALL criticism of Obama equals a smear? Or does the headline writer not grasp that "smear" and "criticism" are not synonyms? Only his/her job, after all, to grasp the distinction.

Posted by: mark f. tillman | June 12, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Let the trolls vent their rancid spleens. Anyone who buys into it won't be voting for Obama anyway.

Others, perhaps those on the fence, those who might vote for Obama but who are still weighing the options, will hopefully read this poisonous prattle. Most will naturally recoil. Most will recall similar attacks levied against past candidates. Some will recall this occurring to McCain back in the 2000 South Carolina primary, ugly smears against him and his adopted Bengali daughter. And some might notice that, in response, McCain adopted the same tactics and hired the same goons who then worked for Bush. Enough may well realize that we've allowed our democracy to be hijacked by this vocal minority of haters and liars.

And Obama supporters should look to their candidate for an object lesson in the cool deflection of bogus smears. His rationality, even temperment, and good judgment stand in stark contrast to the spittle-flecked blather of his detractors, not to mention the disgraced politicians and debunked policies they support.

The realignment is on the horizon. Karl Rove's "permanent Republican majority" is about to be wiped away by the flood. The rancorous smears of these right-wing dead-enders is nothing more than a death rattle.

Posted by: Ricardo Malocchio | June 12, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

How come everytime something bad comes out about Obama it is never his fault. His school admins filled out his paperwork, blah blah blah lies lies lies

Posted by: Mike | June 12, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Obamaism: Making claims against an opponent while engaging in the same act.

e.g. "Obama's refusal to release his birth certificate after criticizing Clinton for not releasing her tax records is a textbook Obamaism."

Posted by: Patriots Against Obama | June 12, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl, seriously? I was a Clinton supporter and I still think you're out of your f-ing mind.

Have you even gotten a copy of your birth certificate lately? I have, in North Carolina, and guess what? They print them out on new pieces of paper from a computer database and then emboss them with the state seal. Unless you're lucky enough that your parents held onto yours, that's the only way to get an official copy of your birth certificate these days. Clearly, it's a sign of the apocalypse.

What else you got?

Posted by: Amy | June 12, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

He manages to serve as president of the Harvard Law Review without ever publishing a SINGLE piece of written work -- not one

Posted by: Mike | June 12, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I have never in all my life seen a more unqulified person be held in such high reguard. America really needs to wake up. The democrats are proving to be the most undemocratic party out there and I am/was a memeber. I am renouncing it right here right now.

Posted by: Joey | June 12, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"It may be the mother who filled out his registration at school, but it's the grown man who is lying about it. And Obama is lying about being identified and legally registered as Muslim child in school in Indonesia."

It was actually school administrators that filled it out and put down Muslim because his stepfather was a secular Muslim and children were identified using their father's religion. The registration form also states that Obama was "Indonesian" and gave the wrong name for his former school. His mother's name did not even appear on the form. Plus he was six.

Of worse you've already been exposed for a disgusting liar when another poster linked the birth certificate you claimed Obama would not release. PoS Indeed!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Mike, "Harvard law school" and "lazy" do not typically go hand in hand, published as a student or no.

Posted by: esmerelda123 | June 12, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"The font and kerning is that of computer generated text. The font didn't exist in 1961 and kerned text wasn't found on forms from that era as it would have required professionally handset letters."

Wrong - o. In that era IBM made a line of typewriters that used proportional spacing. Moreover, there are no visible instances of kerning in that none of the glyphs on the document overlap from top to bottom.

Posted by: fzdybel | June 12, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"But, nevertheless, Obama has made his available here: http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/11012/6168/320/534616"

Obama didn't "make his available" to that blogsite full of Obama-obsessed fanatics.

That "birth certificate scan" is an obvious fake.

They didn't have computer-generated Ariel font in the 1960's, but typewriters. Text wasn't kerned and computer-generated in the 1960's, but typed with typewriters. And there is no signature or certification.

The thing is the kind of fake a college kid who's never seen a 1960's form would make up.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse


Many people think Barack Obama is 6'3" but he is only 6'1" in real life. BUT you will never see this "Fighting the Smears" website dispel that rumor because they want people to believe he is taller.

Why do they try to hide Obama's true height?

Posted by: DHI | June 12, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse


Great. The website can fight Michelle's "stinky" smear against her husband.

Posted by: WylieD | June 12, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

He is the only head of the Harvard law Review to never write one article not one. Lazy sounds about right to me. Lets see him speak with out a teleprompter

Posted by: Mike | June 12, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama the least transparent of the candidates ... really? Because I do not know a single thing about McCain's childhood.

Treetopflyer -- that is priceless.

Posted by: esmerelda123 | June 12, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"AsperGirl, you're getting them ticked off because you're hitting them with the simple truth (and the Left despises truths - such as "Socialism doesn't work!")."

I know. Being hired Obama blogging shills, instead of really politically engaged voters, they don't have the thought process or information base, they just attack me personally and threaten me.

The Obama blogging shills who lurk the forums and websites to shrill at anyone who criticizes their candidate have no factual response and no reasonable arguments. Like against the simple question, why doesn't he just produce his birth certificate?

That loser who posted a link to that counterfeit "Obama birth certificate" that was actually a modern-font, kerned text computer generated text counterfeit instead of a 1960's form, is the closest any of them can come to a response. So they harass and threaten instead.

The Obama campaign sends out its blogging shills to take over political forums and blogs like this, using the forums and blogs as platforms to push their campaign marketing and harassing real readers and posters.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

That's Ms. AsperGirl to you

Posted by: ObamaSucks | June 12, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

On an entirely new topic, do you think "Aspergirl" is the most retarded weirdo ever to blog, or are there other favourites? Please respond.

Posted by: Cert | June 12, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Is obama even an American? If so why will he not even release his birth certificate? I can not belive all these sheep are following this herder with out knowing anything about him.

Posted by: Mike | June 12, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Is Obama fighting "criticism" or "smears"?
What a difference a headline makes. Criticism, after all, may be justified and correct. Smears never are.
Posted by: M.F. Tillman | June 12, 2008 3:00 PM

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If you'd bother to read the article, all would be revealed.

Posted by: Just sayin' | June 12, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to contradict my last post, but reading one paragraph down I saw the statement that _really_ proves Sizemore's not just idiot of the day, but of the month.

"When asked if he had ever researched the fact that Obama -- and the Rev. Wright -- are Christians, Sizemore said: 'I don't care about finding out because I'm a Republican.'"

That's a campaign spot for the Dems right there.

Posted by: treetopflyer | June 12, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

After reading some of the comments, I'm wondering:
Are people really so misinformed about Obama, or has the opposition orchestrated a misinformation campaign with staffers who troll these sites to spread rumors, innuendo, and outright lies?

By the way, never before has a candidate for President been asked to publicly produce a birth certificate in his or her run for President. Did anyone ask Reagan, Bush I, Perot, B. Clinton, H. Clinton, Bush II, Gore, Kerry, McCain, etc. for theirs? Nope. But, nevertheless, Obama has made his available here: http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/11012/6168/320/534616

Yet, I doubt that seeing his birth certificate will matter to those asking for it. Those people have a more insidious goal of smearing Obama, and they will stop at nothing to accomplish their dishonorable goal. If you don't like him, that's your prerogative as an American. But smearing him is the lowest low.

To anyone wanting to move this country forward, I hope you will actively work to combat the unfounded smears against Obama, McCain, or anyone else that are circulating the net. Maybe that will allow us to have a substantive campaign based on the issues.

Posted by: Hmmm | June 12, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I know what's really at the bottom of all the smears (or attempts thereof) against Senator Obama. Many will vociferously deny it and accuse me of playing the "race card" in an attempt to cover their own hindquarters, but I know very well that they are insecure and fearful of change and are milking every anti-black "fright" word they can think of in hopes of preventing Mr. Obama from being elected the nation's first black president. However, I have every reason, at this point, to feel that these ignorant right-wing extremists are insulting the intelligence of the majority of American people and are only shooting themselves in the foot. They remind me of Chicken Little who ran around (like a headless chicken) trying to convince everyone that the sky was falling.

Posted by: DLP | June 12, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"Is being a Muslim a disreputable thing?"

It's not. Being Muslim and being Islamist or Islamic Jihadist, are totally different things.

The issue is Obama continually lies about who he is, who he's spent his adult life hanging around with and what his associates did and said.

He is the most obtuse and non-transparent of Presidential candidates.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I'd say Aspergirl is being put out of work by this website but she's shown a propensity to ignore reality, facts, logic, and common sense.

So continue on brave Aspergirl with your "but he's a muslim" and "what about the maddrassa" BS.

It only makes you look stupid....

Posted by: dan | June 12, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse


Tony Rezko. Rev. Wright. James Johnson. Donnie McClurkin.

Why bother making false attacks against Obama when the true ones are so devastating?

Posted by: WylieD | June 12, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Um, Rufus? What are you implying? Not only is it not 1929, but a quick glance at basic American history will teach you that the Democratic party radically changed attitudes towards African Americans during the civil rights movement and Republicans became those eager to thwart equality for all American citizens. Your little subtle implication here that Democrats don't like blacks is ignorant as all bloody hell.

Posted by: Its2008bubba | June 12, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

One man's alleged smears is another man's truth. Is it a smear to say that his father was a Muslim and his mother did not embrace any religion. Is it a smear to say that he called his grandmother a 'typical white person." Is it a smear to say that he thinks of average hard working people who live in small towns as "bitter and cling to religion ans guns because of their bitterness." Is it smear to say that his friends (not associations) have been life long haters of this country and one is a terrorist. Understand, there is a difference between 'associations" and friends. I subscribe to the saying that 'birds of a feather flock together." Is it a smear to say that he may have joined Rev. Wright's church to make his politcal "bones." Is it a smear to say that for 20 years he said nothing while Wright was spewing his hate filled views, and worse still, was subjecting his children to this venom. What kind of person will allow that to continue. Is it a smear to say that he has the most liberal voting record of any Senator in his short time in the Senate. Is it a smear to say that he entered into a questionable real estate deal with Tony Retzko, for which he now admits he was wrong. Is it a smear to say he predicates his run for the Presidency on his judgment in opposing the war, but does not admit that the "surge' is working. Is it a smear to say that he will sit down unconditionally with the Iranian despot and others like Castro, Chavez and North Korea's dictator but will not sit down with General Patraeus. Is it a smear to say that he says one thing for public consumtption concerning NAFTA, but quite aanother behind closed doors to foreign economic leaders. Is it a smear to say that he has no economic or foreign policy experience, yet passes himself off as the all knowing "guru." The democrats have lost 7 of the last 10 elections, and would have lost them all but for the Bill Clinton victories and the public's reaction to the Nixon scandal. Why? Because their nominating process is flawed and does not reflect the will of the people of these United States. They have not learned from their past miatakes. Obama is like a Potemkin Village: All facade but nothing of substance.

Posted by: Joe migliorise | June 12, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl and others:
>>>Not Muslim. Father and grandfather NOT Muslim. Mother unaffiliated but grew up in Kansas then moved to Hawaii where she gave birth to Barack. Barack's father who was black and originally from Kenya, left them to matriculate at Harvard where he received his Ph.D. He then moved back to Kenya. Barack's mother and her son stayed in Hawaii where his mother resumed college for her Ph.D.

She later remarried and moved with Barack to Indonesia. She taught him at home and NO Madrassa schooling.

Barack is 1/2 white (mother) and 1/2 black (father.)

Barack affiliated with a Protestant church in southside Chicago where he was working as a Community Organizer.

No, he did not have the same black experience as many black persons have. It was not the same in Hawaii as here although it is the 50th state.

Racist<<<<NO way!! His mother was white and his father black. He admired and respected both of his parents. And lived with his white grandparents who loved him and he loved them.

So, he was mostly raised as a midwesterner since his mother and her parents were from Kansas.

Anything else you want to distort? If so, will be glad to give you accurate information. Better yet, read Barack's books.

Posted by: Judy Phillips | June 12, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, you're getting them ticked off because you're hitting them with the simple truth (and the Left despises truths - such as "Socialism doesn't work!").

Posted by: Rufus | June 12, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"...and oh, by the way, here it is, you POS..."
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/11012/6168

Firstly, this is the only time I'm going to respond to one of the foul-mouthed, verbally abusive, ghetto bloggers who lurk on forums and bash others who criticize Obama.

Secondly, I looked at what you claim is a scan of his birth certificate. "Dailykos" is not a real news site but an Obama-obsessed blog that made the news earlier this year due to its verbal abuse of Clinton supporters driving them out of the website.

Thirdly, I looked at the magnified version of what is claimed to be a scan of his birth certificate. It is a counterfeit.

The text is clearly computer-generated text added to the image of a birth certificate. The font and kerning is that of computer generated text. The font didn't exist in 1961 and kerned text wasn't found on forms from that era as it would have required professionally handset letters. Form text in the 1960's were generated by typewriter and mono-spaced font.

It's also clear that the text was added to an image of a birth certificate for, because the image has JPEG blocking artifacts around the text edges -- they look like little waves and curls -- because they were not a part of the original scan but added as information of a substantially different nature later. The mathematical process of JPEG encoding would not have resulted in those wavelet curls had the whole document been scanned as is.

A stupid counterfeit birth certificate on some Obama-obsessed blog isn't the same thing as a birth certificate released by the campaign.

How can a man run for President while refusing to disclose his birth certificate? Why would his campaign go to all these cleverly worded disinformation lengths to provide the pretense of answering questions about the candidate instead of the candidate simply being made to answer the plain questions put to him?

Why go to all the trouble of these narrowly-worded websites and misinformation campaigns instead of JUST PRODUCING THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND ANSWERING WHY HE WAS A REGISTERED MUSLIM IN INDONESIA?

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy Sizemore, from Leslie County, KY, quoted in the Lexington Herald-Leader article hyperlinked above, wins prize idiot of the day for the quote below:
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"I think one of the big problems for him is he's Muslim," said Jimmy Sizemore, the highest elected official in the county. "It's his religion, plus when his pastor came out and started talking, that was a problem, but that's just my opinion.

"I don't think it's because he's black, what everybody says is he is a Muslim."
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You see, it's not just that he's a Muslim, it's the Muslim's pastor. A lot of Muslims have pastor problems. It goes with my rabbi problem as an Episcopalian, and I'm sure most Catholics with their mullah problems can sympathise as well. And don't even get me started on those Seventh Day Adventists and their loose cannon yogis.

He should seriously be a guest star on "Jack@$$". All he'd have to do is have a pulse.

Posted by: treetopflyer | June 12, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Why is Obama fighting the "insinuation" that he is (or may have been) a Muslim?

Is being a Muslim a disreputable thing?

I am sure he has many Muslims backing his candidacy. Why is he reacting this way?

He can say that he was, or was not a Muslim, but why call that an "insinuation"?

Posted by: Krishna | June 12, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Yep..."AsperGirl"'s IP address leads right back to...you guessed it...RNC headquarters.

Geez, man, go to an Internet cafe or something.

Posted by: Doug in NYC | June 12, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

My comment seems to have been been deleted. Dunno why. All I wrote was that a "smear" (the word used in the headline of this piece) and "criticism"
are quite different: "smear" being vicious and unjustified, "criticism" not so much. So why is "smear in the headline? Because all criticism of Obama is a "smear"?

Posted by: mf tillman | June 12, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama better get his butt in gear because the organized attacks against him on sites like this suggest to me that the Repubs have finally gotten their sh*t together and are starting to play hardball.

CC--how about posting something on McSame? I'd like to respond with some incendiary comments. After all, electing McIdiot means the same boneheaded Bush policies infinitum, and more U.S. service men and women dying around the world.

Posted by: floho | June 12, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

SMEARING OBAMA or GOSH MA, SO THE EARTH IS REALLY FLAT

1) Yes an anti-smear webpage is abolutely necessary

2) The technolgy to create smears is much simplier than that of creating viruses and tons of people like doing that (for fun and malice) so why should political campaigns be any different.

In fact one might expect more smears, simply because it is easier to smear a candiate than create a virus and obviously since virus creators do not care whom they hurt, one has to assume smearers, for the most part, are emotionally so disconnected from human emotions that the feeling of "gotcha" is the only genuine feeling they understand.

In conclusion, one must fight smears using the best tools one had at hand. (Personally I would try a way to turn them into laughter, which is always the best weapon ... medicine.) Second, these people are to be pitied, rather like a puppy who has made a mess, but really can't understand why everyone is do upset. (you hold the puppy close and say "Poor baby, it will be alright, but right now Daddy has to punish you so you understand what you did was wrong.)

Nothing else seems to work.

Posted by: Kurt | June 12, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

On this day in 1929, Democrats across the country expressed their outrage that President Herbert Hoover's wife, Lou, invited an African-American woman to a White House reception for the wives of Republican congressmen.

Posted by: Rufus | June 12, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

If you can't take the heat. . .create a web-site.

The Obama campaign just gave legitimacy to the rumor mill.

I thought the Obamaites wanted everyone to focus on the issues, not the rumors. These rumors aren't the reason intelligent people don't vote for him. His lack of experience and ability and his genuinely questionable associations are the reason. Rumors surround every presidential candidate. This comes across as just more pleading to be liked. Typical Obama - pathetic, not presidential.

Posted by: Lynn
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It is probably because morons like you and Aspergirl continue to waste board space cutting and pasting whatever rumor is out there. I applaud their proactive stance - as you and Asperturd show, expecting decency and respect during this general election is probably too optimistic.

Posted by: Lynn's here - now let's get real stupid! | June 12, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama wil not be wind surfing while republicans unleash their lies because they have no issues. It will now be tit for tat.

Posted by: truth1 | June 12, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

DHI says: "It is a FACT that Barack Hussein Obama is an African-American yet you will NEVER hear him say this in a speech."

Er, what is your point here bubbah? Do you hear other candidates talk about how they are male caucasians? WTF?

"His father is from Kenya and he will probably try to explain that he is a caucasian from Kenya but his father is a BLACK man."

Huh?!

Lordy, this is why the country is doomed. Doooomed, I say. (That said, can't blame folks for clinging to hope; sometimes, it's all you got.)

Posted by: Mary | June 12, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama and his team must be more proactive about fighting the GOP Smear campaign.

He and his team must do more than have a website. They must counter each and every negative comment with the facts, otherwise they will be defined by the GOP Smear campaign. Obama must get out there and fight. You can't change anything if you're not elected.

McShame gets all sorts [i]overies[/i] from MSM (like the spin and re-spin on getting the troops out or Iraq "isn't too important") The MSM continues to fall for McShame the succubus.

Campaigns will be fought the way they have in the past because that's what has worked.

Posted by: Roofelstoon | June 12, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

ok - I am a Hillary supporter who is voting against McCain

but I have to jump in

no way Obama could have become a Senator unless he was background checked so his birth place, certificate etc is a moot point

I didn't like it when c... like this was posted about Hillary and I don't like it when it is posted about Obama or McCain

Wise up people, we are not each others enemy

Posted by: lucci8 | June 12, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Now, remind me again why being a Muslim means you are automatically bad? I work down the hall from a Muslim. Awesome, brilliant guy who does not demean women and loves this country. I don't get the Muslim "smear" campaign.

Posted by: what? | June 12, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

If you can't take the heat. . .create a web-site.

The Obama campaign just gave legitimacy to the rumor mill.

I thought the Obamaites wanted everyone to focus on the issues, not the rumors. These rumors aren't the reason intelligent people don't vote for him. His lack of experience and ability and his genuinely questionable associations are the reason. Rumors surround every presidential candidate. This comes across as just more pleading to be liked. Typical Obama - pathetic, not presidential.

Posted by: Lynn | June 12, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

It's sad that there is the need for this, but as long as there is a GOP, we will have campaigns that try to take advantage of ignorant provincialism to scare people into voting rightwing.

We really need to develop a genetic therapy to prevent Republicanism. It is so closely tied to ignorance and gullibility that it has to be a genetic defect. Many of these poor sots still think Saddam attacked us on 9/11, thanks to Bush's association game. Help these poor idiots, someone! With a little assistance they can be taught simple tasks and be productive members of society.

Posted by: Mark | June 12, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Is Obama fighting "criticism" or "smears"?
What a difference a headline makes. Criticism, after all, may be justified and correct. Smears never are.

Posted by: M.F. Tillman | June 12, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

The traitors in the McCain/Bush camp can't stand the light of day - they can only survive in the dark, where they cower in fear from the Truth.

Soon, our long national nightmare will end - and the sun will shine on America again!

Posted by: Will in Seattle | June 12, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama has told his story in 2 books. Have you read them? If not, then you aren't well enough informed to have an enlightened opinion.

"Self-identified Christians' seem more inclined to tell lies about persons who don't agree with their particular paranoid ideas.

Do some objective research folks.

Posted by: Judy Phillips | June 12, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama is trying to cover up his black heritage.

It is a FACT that Barack Hussein Obama is an African-American yet you will NEVER hear him say this in a speech.

His father is from Kenya and he will probably try to explain that he is a caucasian from Kenya but his father is a BLACK man.

Posted by: DHI | June 12, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

By "aggressive," I hope that means the website will organize people to respond to false rumors (both electronically and otherwise), as well as try to ferret out and expose the perpetrators of false information---instead of just sitting out there as an "information resource" in cyberspace.

Posted by: scrappy | June 12, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"No, it won't work. Why would or should voters disregard his and Michelle comments and shady associations? Especially when he continues to demonstrate his poor judgment regarding who he chooses to associate himself with."

Why did we disregard rumors of Bush's reported alcohol and cocaine issues? Why did we disregard Bush's apparent incompletion of his military service?

Why do you and the rest of Limbaugh nations continue to disregard Bush's poor judgement on the Middle East, the economy, the US Constitution and the TRUTH?

Posted by: MagicInMiami | June 12, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

How can a man run for President without producing his birth certificate?

Posted by: AsperGirl
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I dunno - how did George Bush, McCain, Kerry etc do it? Listen, you dumb b*tch, I would stop proving time and time again what a paid right-wing troll you are. You repeat every stupid rumor like it is a fact. I hope they are paying you well because when it comes to a more useless source of lies, you are worth every cent.

and oh, by the way, here it is, you POS

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/11012/6168

Posted by: To the idiot mobile!... | June 12, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Something is very wrong here and I am very tired of it all. I have to back away from Obama and democratic party for now. Too much coercive stuff in media and all his friends/ associations are very questionable. Wright, the chuch, Ayers Chicago and Il. politics /Rezko- yikes !It's too much for me I have a life to lead.
These folks and meida are scaring me.

Posted by: Tom | June 12, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs to give a speech about HIMSELF.

Who he is remains the biggest mystery of his campaign.

His campaign is going to eloquent, cleverly-worded lengths to do everything but answer the direct questions and produce the documentation that would help clear that up.

Posted by: AsperGirl
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Oh, go peddle that faux question to Faux News site, already. There are no questions that you ask that are not based on lies and innuendo, troll.

Posted by: Aspertroll signing in... | June 12, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama also does NOT want the truth about him getting out there.
He is the LAZIEST Senator out there with the worst record on even showing up to vote or else most of the time just votes Present. This sounds like a great leader who wants change. Change for the worst.
He did MORE harm than good for his LITTLE DISTRICT in Chicago.
Google Obama's slums and see for yourself.
Google Curtain Time for Obama. Lots of info there for you.
Anyone who is Black and feels that he is going to help you think again. Obama only sees the color green as in REZKO sweet sweet money. He would often go to Rezko's parties and meet with Saddams right hand men who are now friends of Obama.
Our leaders in DC had better do a Security Check on obama or we will land up being big Havana, since Obama has a great love for CASTRO, and Castro's side kick the terrorist Che Guevera.
Click here: You Tube - Obama Communist Flag In Office

Posted by: USAAlways | June 12, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Idiots and slanderers that intentionally traffic in lies need to be outed, chased into the sunlight, and LAUGHED AT for being dumber than a bag of hammers.

These people deserve good jobs in the porta-potty servicing industry - not journalism or politics.

Posted by: JBE | June 12, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't anyone like me?

Posted by: Asperger Girl | June 12, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm delighted the Obama campaign is taking action. It's a smart move.

I've noted before that anti-Obama smears on this site often work in the phrase "empty suit" even when it seems irrelevant and to have no connection to what they are writing. I may be wrong, but it's worked in so awkwardly that I strongly suspect this is how people can validate that they posted a particular piece of garbage, in order to be paid for their work.

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | June 12, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

See? It isn't real folks. That is why I patiently wait and not jump easily to conclusions. It is one thing to not favor Obama, but disagree with him with intregity and dignity. Don't fall prey to these outrageous lies.

Fight the smears indeed! Those spreading the smears are not thinking about this country, obviously. Whatever their interests are that McCain swears to protect, the rest of a great portion of us are not having it. We will welcome the truth, make our judgments, and make important decisions based on our stances of the issues.

Posted by: Obama2008 | June 12, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs to give a speech about HIMSELF.

Who he is remains the biggest mystery of his campaign.

His campaign is going to eloquent, cleverly-worded lengths to do everything but answer the direct questions and produce the documentation that would help clear that up.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign can put up all the cleverly-worded, disinformation websites you want, that battle narrowly-worded "lies" ("he attended a radical madressa") while implying broader lies ("he was never a Muslim" when Obama was identified and registered and studied as a Muslim in school as a child in Indonesia). The website answers narrowly-worded questions that no one is asking while ignoring the broader questions.

Instead of going to all these misinformation-and-disinformation lengths and putting up cleverly-worded websites, why not just produce the birth certificate and answer the questions that are asked?

How can a man run for President without producing his birth certificate?

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

good morning Mr Obama. Let's talk about the job of President. Why do you want to be President?

I am bored with the Senate. casting votes of Present and having to suck up to Durbin gets old fast.

your resume is a little thin. Do you actually have any real qualifications for the job - military, executive, business, academic or any other experience, longer than say, two years?

Well, I have been a Senator for over two years. I could provide some character references but I am a little short these days. would you accept a promise that I will change all the bad stuff all by myself. things are so bad, you can naturally assume that a neophyte like me can magically change them through the force of my charm.

that sounds swell but I don't see any record of accomplishment anywhere in your past. where is this non-partisan reach you claim.

I forgave hillary for her meanness.

she is a Democrat.

you are just citing old politics.

I think this interview is over.

did I get the job?

Posted by: the interview | June 12, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl - you forgot to take a cue from your mentor and put Obama's middle name in ALL CAPS. JakeD must be too busy golfing to correct you.

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | June 12, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

No, it won't work. Why would or should voters disregard his and Michelle comments and shady associations? Especially when he continues to demonstrate his poor judgment regarding who he chooses to associate himself with. Not only did he make a poor choice in his VP vetter he then unsucessfully tried to say that his buddy/VP vetter didn't work for him -- as if he barely knows the guy. Lies, lies and more lies.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 12, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

>>NMAIF wrote: "Aspergirl writes, "Obama's still trying to combat and cover up the information that he was registered as a Muslim in his Catholic school as a child..." Good grief, who do you think filled out the form, the 8-year-old or his mother? I think the act of the grown man who walked up the aisle of the church to declare himself a Christian speaks far more powerfully of his religious convictions."

It may be the mother who filled out his registration at school, but it's the grown man who is lying about it. And Obama is lying about being identified and legally registered as Muslim child in school in Indonesia.

Obama did convert to Christianity. Actually, it doesn't matter what his ethnicity or religion is. ("Muslim" isn't the same thing as "Islamist", in any case).

What is a problem is his evasiveness and lying. Putting up a website that prevaricates using narrow language, by answering only that he wasn't in a "radical madrassa" and ignoring the fact that he was registered as a Muslim child and took Koranic studies is a kind of campaign-year disinformation tactic.

The problem with the Trinity Church thing was not that it preaches and disseminates white-bashing hate speech or anti-American conspiracy theories, and that it's pastors are active pro-Islamists and Hamas sympathizers. No one believes that Obama was into that (he's into himself and advancing himself). What is a problem is his pretending he didn't know what these pastors were publishing and preaching and believing in for 20 years when he was supposedly close to them.

The problem is a man who lies about who he is, who his friends are and what he has done, to be more popular.

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

the slightest scrutiny is sinking the Obama titanic fast. too bad there are only enough life boats for fully paid members of moveon.org

Say hi to Leo down there, the rest of you.

why did you Libs wait until now to begin asking any questions about the messiah - his latte-ness and arugula-in-chief.

now it is going to seem like we actually wanted McCain.

Posted by: kingofzouk | June 12, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl is a Wall Street hack, one of those money grubbing swine that hurt children and families, the financial pedophiles of New York, and think they can get by without being called on it. *Everything* she has to say is a blad faced lie and she knows it. Just ignore her and she will fade away.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 12, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

It is precisely this reason that we need the Fairness Doctrine back into law. The Limbaugh's and Fox Noise need to be made to either tell the truth or be made to provide adequate time to those who would answer their lies. Either way, the Fairness Docrine would put these swine out of business.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 12, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

this is brilliant rhetoric?? - it makes Bush sound like Shakespeare.

Obama explains. "Now look, the, the, ah, ah, ah, I mean the uh first of all uh I, I, I am not vetting my VP search committee for their mortgages so you're going have to uh d-direct..."

It should also be noted that according to the Chicago Tribune, the practitioner of "new politics" accepted $1.9 million from sub prime lenders, which only goes to show that when it comes to a decision between engaging in the "new politics" and old fashioned money grubbing, "new politics" gets the shaft.

"Jim Johnson has a very discrete task," Obama continued, "as does Eric Holder, and that is simply to gather up information about potential vice presidential candidates. They are performing that job well, it's a volunteer, unpaid position. And they are giving me information and I will then exercise judgment in terms of who I want to select as a vice presidential candidate.


"So this - you know, these aren't folks who are working for me," Obama said. "They're not people you know who I have assigned to a job in a future administration and, you know, ultimately my assumption is that, you know, this is a discrete task that they're going to performing for me over the next two months."


Whassat? What'd he say? Johnson doesn't really "work" for him because he's a "volunteer" in an "unpaid position." And after all, he hasn't promised him a cabinet post so it's really OK that he didn't vet him and besides this is just a "distraction" so can we please get back to your slavish worship of my awe inspiring talents?

So, another Obama associate is thrown under the bus. One might begin to wonder if there are more people riding on the Obama express or underneath it. Think of all this guy's friends, staffers, spiritual advisors, and assorted far left radicals who have been given the equivalent of a pair of cement galoshes and thrown into the Chicago River. A partial list:


1, Samantha Power, foreign policy advisor, who ended up being just a little bit too frank about some of Obama's less than mainstream plans for Israel and other places if the candidate were to win office.


2. Austan Goolsbee, economic advisor, who whispered to the Canadian government sweet nothings about his boss's NAFTA switcheroo in Ohio -- Obama running around the state, breathing fire about the evils of NAFTA and how he would renegotiate the treaty while Goolsbee was telling the Canadians that the candidate was just politicking and had no intention of touching the treaty.


3. Reverend Jeremiah Wright, friend and spiritual advisor for whom the candidate bravely stood up -- at first -- until Wright's performance at the National Press Club caused the candidate to open the door himself and push the old man under the wheels.


4. Father Michael Pfleger, friend and spiritual advisor, whose spittle flecked rant at Trinity Church against Hillary, America and white people forced the candidate to leave his boot print on the good father's rear end as he too was impelled from behind under the Obama Greyhound.


5. William Ayers, terrorist and future Secretary of Education in an Obama Administration. Well, probably not. But Obama's dismissal of his former boss and friend as "just a neighbor" no doubt hurt the terrorist's feelings but became necessary when the press started to get curious about what a candidate for president was doing associating with someone who doesn't regret blowing people to smithereens.


There are more -- the undercarriage of that bus is bloody indeed. There's the entire congregation of Trinity United Church who now must practice their Black Liberation Theology and "anti-middleclassness" without the man who apparently spent many a pleasant Sunday sleeping through sermons -- or so he would have us believe.


But there is a monumental difference between Obama's previous actions in washing his hands of wayward staffers, bigots, and radicals and having to toss Jim Johnson out the window.


The others were handled when he was simply a candidate for the Democratic nomination for president. But his choice of Johnson to head up the most important job he has between now and the election -- choosing a vice president -- was made as the presumptive nominee.


In short, Obama's first major decision as the nominee for president of his party was an unmitigated disaster.

Chris Cillizza recognizes the danger Obama exposes himself to by latching on to people like Johnson:


For Obama, any questions in voters' minds about whether he truly is a change agent or is legitimately committed to breaking the alleged stranglehold lobbyists and other power brokers have over the political system is potentially disastrous. Because of the peril involved, it's not terribly surprising that Obama moved quickly to "fix the glitch" once he realized questions about Johnson weren't going away.


Seen another way, however, this episode could forebode poorly for how Obama handles the various slings and arrows sent his way by Republicans and their famed -- and effective -- noise machine.


http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/06/its_getting_crowded_under_obam.html

Posted by: cc made the news | June 12, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Aspergirl writes, "Obama's still trying to combat and cover up the information that he was registered as a Muslim in his Catholic school as a child..." Good grief, who do you think filled out the form, the 8-year-old or his mother? I think the act of the grown man who walked up the aisle of the church to declare himself a Christian speaks far more powerfully of his religious convictions.

Posted by: NMAIF | June 12, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Obama campaign did not lock up all the possible variations on the site name. Maybe they should start over (now, while there is time).

Try... ObamaTheTruth.com? Then also buy the names with .org, and ObamaTheTruths, TruthaboutObama, TrueObama, ObamaTruth, etc.

Posted by: NMAIF | June 12, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama's now pushing campaign misinformation about the candidate via a new "fight the smears" website.

It's a whole new disingenuously oblique approach to Obama's denial of his ethnicity and childhood religion. An Internet-based disinformation approach.

Obama's still trying to combat and cover up the information that he was registered as a Muslim in his Catholic school as a child, that he attended Muslim classes as a child and that his ethnicity is that of African Arab.

Obama registered as a "Muslim" in the Catholic school he attended as a child in Indonesia. The children who were registered as "Muslim" attended Muslim-focused classes and the children who were registered as "Christian" attended Christian-focused classes. In his own book, he describes how he got in trouble in his "Koranic studies" class for making faces during class. Yet Obama continues to deny that he and his parents elected to identify him as "Muslim" as a child.

Instead of simply answering the questions about why he was registered as being "Muslim" in the Catholic school he attended as a child in Indonesia, and why his book explains that he was in "Koranic studies" if he wasn't registered as a Muslim there, the campaign puts up a disingenuous, cleverly-worded "smear" description on its website: "LIE: Barack Obama attended a radical madrassa". Why don't you answer the FACT of your status at that school in Indonesia, instead of just answering the narrowly-worded "LIE" you posted?

And why does Obama still refuse to provide a copy of his birth certificate? -- Because he is identified on that birth certificate as being Arab, since his father was an African Arab. There are many ethnicities in Africa, ranging from the black Jews of Ethiopia to the black Arabs of the Sudan who are committing genocide against non-Arab Africans of Darfour. Obama's father was identified as "Arab" in his Kenyan birth records and Obama's identified as an "Arab" on his own, with "Muslim" as the religion.

Instead of these clever, inane and narrowly-worded "Anti-Smear" websites, why doesn't Obama provide his birth certificate, explain why he was registered as a "Muslim" in school as a child, and why he was taking "Koranic studies", if he was never a Muslim. And why doesn't he admit his ethnicity is "African Arab"? The little real investigative reporting that has been done on the subject has clearly not supported the faux stories the Obama campaign has been pushing.

LA TImes Story on Facts About Obama's Religion in Childhood
(http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/bal-te.obama16mar16,1,7181735,full.story)

And finally, the problem I have with all of this is not what ethnicity or childhood religion Obama has. The problem I have is with a man who is running for President who consistently covers up and evades disclosure about who he is and the kind of people he has spent his adult life hanging around with, in order to be more popular. The problem is not his ethnicity or religion, but his misrepresenting himself during an American presidential campaign.

How can a man run for President while refusing to disclose his birth certificate?

Posted by: AsperGirl | June 12, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh Good God how funny,as Pathological Liar
Potty Mouth Empty Suit Barack Hussein Obama
just cannot stand to have the truth about
him come out and his own hidden dirt
exposed,since Obama has more sleazy deals
and dirt on him then even Nancy Pelosi and
Harry Reid,with Howard Dean thrown in and
it is all only just beginning to come out
in the open about this fraud conman phony.

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | June 12, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

the Weekly Standard's online blog reports Obama's team of 700 is the biggest in presidential election history -- more than twice as large as president Bush's in 2004 -- and seven times as big as John McCain's organization.

The Center for Responsive Politics reports that data for February, March and April of this year show Obama has outspent McCain's campaign two-to-one on office rent, four-and-a-half to one on staff salaries and 25-to-one on broadcast advertising.

the change you are expecting - Supersize the government and the budget.

Posted by: Big in Japan | June 12, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

two words Charlie Black....
I call for him to resign.......
or shut up about business connections...

Posted by: Salmon Dave | June 12, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Late last month reports emerged that Richardson, a former state Assemblywoman and member of the Long Beach City Council, had lost her Sacramento home to foreclosure and has two other homes in Southern California that have fallen into default six times.

Last week the Long Beach Press-Telegram reported that Richardson had also left car repair bills unpaid.

Richardson easily won her Democratic primary June 3 and is running unopposed in the November general election, although at least one of her Democratic primary opponents is making plans to challenge her as a write-in candidate.

I think we have the new HUD secretary for the Obama regime.

Posted by: wasn't the richardson I knew | June 12, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

You must be one of their three viewers to get any attention at MSNBC

Posted by: what is a rating of zero? | June 12, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

There's a smear version of the site up at fightthesmears.org with an Osama bin Laden quote and even more lies...

And Andrea Mitchell, when doing the story for the first time, used the WRONG URL, so she essentially sent viewers to another smear site.

Instead of fightthesmears.com, she said fightthesmears.org

Was that because she isn't for Obama? Or an accident? Who knows. I called the Obama campaign to report the .org version of the site, which uses the same graphics but a different quote and of course, incorrect text and links.

The web hosting company phatservers.net is hosting the fightthesmears.org site and on being told of the problem, didn't think it was important or a problem. In fact, they laughed when told that the Obama campaign would likely call them to request that they take the site down.

The IP address of the smear version is 216.17.110.139

Please let Ms. Mitchell know she is using the wrong url... it seems impossible for an individual to contact MSNBC

D. Casey
web developer

Posted by: Donna Casey | June 12, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

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