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The New York Times. Photo of Mark Lennihan -- Associated Press

The New York Times isn't happy about a satirical website run by the Republican Governors Association that uses the Gray Lady's layout to mock New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine (D).

The site -- known as the Corzine Times -- is a near facsimile of the New York Times homepage layout, a similarity that has prompted a cease and desist letter from the Times to the RGA.

"The title for the site is designed to recall the world famous, protected New York Times logo, and the pages use the same fonts and layouts as nytimes.com in order to mimic its design," writes the Times' Deborah Beshaw, who is an administrative assistant at the paper according to her profile on LinkedIn.

The letter goes on to demand that the RGA "cease and desist any further use of the The Times' design, format and other intellectual property in any manner whatsoever" and, if the RGA fails to comply within three days, "all available legal remedies will be pursued."

The RGA seemed nonplussed by the letter.

"It's amusing to see The Gray Lady standing up for The Gray Beard, but we were hoping the Times would send a cease and desist notice to Corzine telling him not to hike taxes by another $1 billion," said RGA communications director Mike Schrimpf.

National Republicans believe Corzine is very vulnerable to a challenge from former U.S. Attorney Chris Christie (R) this fall and earlier this week spent $300,000 on ads that attack the Democratic incumbent for his record on job creation and taxes.

By Chris Cillizza  |  June 18, 2009; 3:11 PM ET
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DDAWD - being a spoof or satire is of no relevance to matters of intellectual propery.

Drindl - the case is by no means open and shut. There is no question of 'passing off' here, as there is no misrepresentation. No-one is likely to think this is actually the NYT site. Copyright or Trade Mark infringement would be a question of judgement. The changes that the RGA have made clearly make this an original piece of art. The question is how close the resemblance is.

Posted by: qlangley | June 22, 2009 7:33 AM | Report abuse

saw1:

You won't get simple answers from that one ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 19, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

And several of your posts about the deficit are just plain lies.

But hey, they're *civil* lies.
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If what I said is wrong please show me where and cite a source. My numbers come from the Treasury Direct site.

Posted by: saw1 | June 19, 2009 1:20 AM | Report abuse

If the numbers I used are wrong it is unintentional. They are US govt. numbers I believe them to be accurate.

Posted by: saw1 | June 19, 2009 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Well if you're trying to be civil you sure started out on the wrong foot. "You'll look really smart" sounds just like our regulars here, and they make no pretense to civility.

And several of your posts about the deficit are just plain lies.

But hey, they're *civil* lies.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 19, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Crisfox8,
you and I may not agree but it is unfortunate we can't disagree civilly.
Name calling really dose'nt add much to the discussion.
If the nastyness is normal on these sites you won't hear much more from me. I am interested in the opinions of others but find little true discussion here.
Being fairly new to these discussions I may be a "nitwit gooper" but I really don't know what a troll is.

Posted by: saw1 | June 19, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Some even succeed. Former Senator Coleman wrote Sen-elect Franken a check for $95K a couple weeks ago. That must've stung. Or it would've if Coleman were spending his own money, rather than the suckers who donated to his campaign & recount funds.

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And despite behavior that would embarress a second grader *and* diligient daily prayers, he's still going to lose his seat to Al Franken. I hope *that* stings.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 19, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

By the way Bushlegacylies if you post five or six times in a row you'll look really smart.

Posted by: saw1

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But in your case even a thesaurus couldn't hide the fact that you're just a nitiwit gooper troll. You can't even punctuate.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 19, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

I fear 2 or 3 years down the road the deficits created by the Bush admin. will be modest compared to Pres. Obamas.

Posted by: saw1 | June 19, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Obama is ađing to the deficit but he's have to get up a lot earlier in the morning to match Bush in deficit creatin'. And he could never hope to match Bush for waste, Bush ran up trillions for no better reason than to enrich the wealthy from the treasury and make an opportunity to put on his f*cking flightsuit.

At least Obama is trying to save us from a depression.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 19, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

By the way Bushlegacylies if you post five or six times in a row you'll look really smart.

Posted by: saw1 | June 19, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Một thằng ngốc tên là JakeD mang nước cho thằng ngốc khác tên là Sarah Palin. Thế giới dễ hnạn thấy.

Hai người thằng ngốc.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 19, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Wow saw1,
I hope you didn't hurt your back twisting the facts claiming that "The national debt increased by 1.6 trillion under Bill Clinton. The first 6 years of Bush saw 3 Trillion of debt.

Interestingly the last 2 years of the Bush administration, after the democrats took back the senate and house saw 2 Trillion added to the debt.

In Bushes 8 year term 40% of the increase in national debt occurred in the last 2 years while the democrats controlled the senate and house. Ain't that amazing! "

Sure is. Bush's are responsible for A DESPICABLE 3 RECESIONS (OR WORSE) AND 5+ TRILLION IN DEBT. MOREOVER, HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THE W TAX CUTS - THE CURRENT ONGOING DEFICIT WOULD BE LESS. GEEZ, MAYBE THAT'S WHY TREASURY SECRETARY O'NEIL LEFT AND GOT BOOTED.
Turn off your life support, you're wasting valuable energy.

Posted by: Bushlegacylies
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Go to debt to the penny and look it up. I know it takes a little effort but is worth it. Keeps you from looking stupid . The numbers I quoted are US govt numbers, if they are not accurate the the govt. has them wrong.

Posted by: saw1 | June 19, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Wow saw1,
I hope you didn't hurt your back twisting the facts claiming that "The national debt increased by 1.6 trillion under Bill Clinton. The first 6 years of Bush saw 3 Trillion of debt.

Interestingly the last 2 years of the Bush administration, after the democrats took back the senate and house saw 2 Trillion added to the debt.

In Bushes 8 year term 40% of the increase in national debt occurred in the last 2 years while the democrats controlled the senate and house. Ain't that amazing! "

Sure is. Bush's are responsible for A DESPICABLE 3 RECESIONS (OR WORSE) AND 5+ TRILLION IN DEBT. MOREOVER, HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THE W TAX CUTS - THE CURRENT ONGOING DEFICIT WOULD BE LESS. GEEZ, MAYBE THAT'S WHY TREASURY SECRETARY O'NEIL LEFT AND GOT BOOTED.
Turn off your life support, you're wasting valuable energy.

Posted by: Bushlegacylies | June 18, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow saw1,
I hope you didn't hurt your back twisting the facts claiming that "The national debt increased by 1.6 trillion under Bill Clinton. The first 6 years of Bush saw 3 Trillion of debt.

Interestingly the last 2 years of the Bush administration, after the democrats took back the senate and house saw 2 Trillion added to the debt.

In Bushes 8 year term 40% of the increase in national debt occurred in the last 2 years while the democrats controlled the senate and house. Ain't that amazing! "

Sure is. Bush's are responsible for A DESPICABLE 3 RECESIONS (OR WORSE) AND 5+ TRILLION IN DEBT. MOREOVER, HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THE W TAX CUTS - THE CURRENT ONGOING DEFICIT WOULD BE LESS. GEEZ, MAYBE THAT'S WHY TREASURY SECRETARY O'NEIL LEFT AND GOT BOOTED.
Turn off your life support, you're wasting valuable energy.

Posted by: Bushlegacylies | June 18, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

@KoZ - Given that Reagan, Bush, and Bush have dumped massive bills on the rest of us, it's a little rich to talk about libs. The last one as president actually paid off a little of your accumulated debt.

Time to ask your mom for a couple more sodas, KoZ.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade
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I assume you mean Bill Clinton? Unfortunately the facts indicate otherwise. The national debt increased by 1.6 trillion under Bill Clinton.

The first 6 years of Bush saw 3 Trillion of debt.

Interestingly the last 2 years of the Bush administration, after the democrats took back the senate and house saw 2 Trillion added to the debt.

In Bushes 8 year term 40% of the increase in national debt occured in the last 2 years while the democrats controlled the senate and house.
Ain't that amazing!

Posted by: saw1 | June 18, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Haven't eaten at Olive Garden in a while, think I'll go have Italian this weekend.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 18, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Don't eat at Olive Garden or buy Best Foods / Hellmann's (Unilever) either:

http://www.FireDavidLetterman.com/

Posted by: JakeD | June 18, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

WOO HOO!!! Now the libs will cancel their subscriptions too : )

Posted by: JakeD | June 18, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DDAWD | June 18, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

@KoZ - Given that Reagan, Bush, and Bush have dumped massive bills on the rest of us, it's a little rich to talk about libs. The last one as president actually paid off a little of your accumulated debt.

Time to ask your mom for a couple more sodas, KoZ.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 18, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

There's no way Froomkin was fired. He has been one of the most popular figures on the Post website. (although this may have changed since Bush's departure. Obama fans may be leaving him.)

Between Froomkin and Fix, its not even close. The former puts in a lot more work and a lot more in depth research. This site is mainly gossip and superficial political horse-race stuff. While horse-race stuff is ok, its not even comparable to what Froomkin does.

The discussion is more robust over here, though.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 18, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

You're serious? They fired Froomkin? Okay, cancelling my subscription. The last straw for this bogus rightwing rag.

You wonder where your readers are going?

Posted by: drindl | June 18, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

The post hires Kristol, maintains Krauthammer, Will, and Gerson, and fires . . . Dan Froomkin?

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Huh? Firing Froomkin? Where did you read that? Froomkin is a lot more important here than TheFix (sorry Chris but there you have it). Dan was the one voice of sanity in the last eight years.

Not only does the Post give Krauthammer and Will and Gerson the aplomb of a major newspaper, implying they aren't the nutbars their columns paint them as, but they even carry columns by Fred Kagan, who should probably be in prison, and his whole nutbar neocon family with him.

I just subscribed to the Post on my Kindle. If they fire Froomkin I'll cancel my subscription.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 18, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

"Of course they do. It's unathorized and violates trademarks. Should be a slam dunk."

Yeah, but I think it's generally ok to spoof things/people. I'm not sure how much the site has changed since getting the letter, but the two sites are pretty distinguishable.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 18, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The post hires Kristol, maintains Krauthammer, Will, and Gerson, and fires . . . Dan Froomkin?

That flushing sound you hear is the Post's credibility going down the toilet.

Well, at least it provides a nice meeting ground for the few members of the American Independent Party to hook up and spray spittle about.

Posted by: nodebris | June 18, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

"It's a cute website, I guess. I wonder if the NYT has legal recourse since its a spoof website.

I guess if they sent a cease and desist letter, their lawyers probably have some grounds for suit."

Of course they do. It's unathorized and violates trademarks. Should be a slam dunk.

Posted by: drindl | June 18, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

It's a cute website, I guess. I wonder if the NYT has legal recourse since its a spoof website.

I guess if they sent a cease and desist letter, their lawyers probably have some grounds for suit.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 18, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Chris:

I'll be removing The Fix – and probably the entire Post – from my reading list, to make room for whatever new bookmark will take me to Dan Froomkin's next project. Hope you and Milbank have a good joke or two in development

Just so you know.

Posted by: FlownOver | June 18, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

HOW ABOUT APPARENT GOVERNMENT 'SPOOFING' OF INTERNET PAGES, NYT... YOU, TOO, WA-PO


Bill Keller & Company, here's a bulletin:

Homeland Security- run regional "fusion center" surveillance operatives apparently are "spoofing" pages of private and government web sites on a selective basis -- substituting the counterfeit pages in the data streams of unjustly "targeted" American citizens to eliminate and maliciously tamper with web site content.

These fusion centers appear to be imposing prior restraint and censorship on internet telecommunications, not not just email.

Here's a story with a link to a running account of this journalist's personal experiences with apparent government prior restraint, censorship and MALICIOUS REAL-TIME TAMPERING with the telecommunications of private citizens:

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-fusion-center-spying-pretext-harass-and-censor

OR (if link is "spoofed"):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener


While you're suing the GOP to protect your copyright, how about investigating the above? I nominate Jim Risen, who may have been a victim of such tampering himself.

Posted by: scrivener50 | June 18, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Cillizza:

What, exactly, is your paper's connection with the Corzine Times? Who at the Washington Post has been laughing about this? Why is there a dedicated "wp-content" page?

http://www.corzinetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/desist.pdf

Posted by: JakeD | June 18, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

The R base likes really dumb jokes -- but fortunately for New Jersey, there's not even of them there to elect the idiot Christie.

Posted by: drindl | June 18, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!!
As for "viable alternative" this is from the lede story currently on the site:

"Republican opponent Chris Christie said the middle-class are besieged by higher taxes and rising unemployment.

Corzine and Christie offered vastly different economic assessments of a state battered by rising debt and a multibillion-dollar budget deficit in an election year.

The two, who will face off in one of two governor's races in the country in November, made their first post-primary appearances separately before 400 New Jersey Business and Industry Association members Tuesday.

...

"New Jersey ranks dead last when it comes to being a good place to create jobs and grow a business," Christie said. "The people who work for and with you are hurting in New Jersey, they are losing their jobs and fighting to make ends meet."

...

"The person who is not making the hard choices for New Jersey was just here a little while ago," Christie said of the governor. "He is making the wrong choices."

Posted by: JakeD | June 18, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"LIBs are well known for trying to get others to pay their bills for them."


Some even succeed. Former Senator Coleman wrote Sen-elect Franken a check for $95K a couple weeks ago. That must've stung. Or it would've if Coleman were spending his own money, rather than the suckers who donated to his campaign & recount funds.


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Posted by: bsimon1 | June 18, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Does the times have any money to hire a lawyer? I would insist on the money up front. LIBs are well known for trying to get others to pay their bills for them.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 18, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I can't help but wonder if this is another GOP move that's going to play well with the base, but alienate - or at a minimum fail to persuade - swing voters. It might be a clever parody, and even funny, but does it convince voters you're offering a viable alternative?

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 18, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Buffoonery like this plays to Trailer Nation but the rest of us just find it embarrassing.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 18, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

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