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Paterson: Doomed or Determined?

David Paterson


The White House's decision to involve itself in the New York governor's race sends one very clear message: President Barack Obama and his senior advisers simply do not believe that Gov. David Paterson (D) can win re-election next November.

Are they right?

Looking for answers, the Fix spoke with a number of veteran Democratic operatives with experience in New York politics to see what they thought about Paterson's chances (or lack thereof).

The overwhelming consensus was that Paterson almost certainly couldn't win the race before the White House's intervention and definitely couldn't win now. "I do not see ANY way for him to get re-elected," e-mailed one Democratic consultant granted anonymity to speak candidly about the governor. "Zip, zero, nada."

A look at Paterson's polling numbers seems to affirm that point of view. The recent Marist College poll showed Paterson badly trailing former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani in a hypothetical general election matchup but the data inside the poll was even more troubling for Paterson.

Political comebacks typically begin by going to your strongest supporters and rallying them behind you. (See John McCain's decision to spend almost all of his time in New Hampshire following his presidential campaign's collapse in late summer 2007.)

Paterson has no obvious base of supporters to which he can turn. Less than one in four of self-identified Democrats believe the governor is doing either an "excellent" (one percent) or "good" (23 percent) job in office while a whopping 71 percent rate his performance as either "fair" or "poor".

The song remains the same when Democrats are asked whether Paterson should seek a full term in 2010. Less than one in three (!) say that he should while 65 percent believe he should not run in 2010.

Couple that dismal showing among Democrats in the Marist poll with other recent data that suggests state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo would soundly defeat Paterson if he ran in the primary and the White House's attempted intervention, and it's clear that the governor has lost the confidence of his own party. He is a man without a country.

One Paterson adviser suggested that the idea of Paterson as lone wolf, however, could ultimately be the path that leads him back to political viability.

"New Yorkers have been reaching out to express their support for the Governor and are alarmed and dismayed by these recent reports," said the adviser.

The source also said that a Paterson narrow-focused on "demonstrating leadership and determination to bring a real economic recovery to the people of new york" could be a recipe for success although the Marist poll showed that less than 40 percent of Democrats (and just 30 percent of all voters) approved of the way Paterson has handled the state's economic crisis.

Paterson's best hope -- in truth -- is summed up by longtime New York Democratic consultant Hank Sheinkopf. "Three minutes in politics is ten years in life," Sheinkopf said. "Anything can happen." (New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who issued a statement in support of Paterson on Sunday, said much the same thing; "A lot of people start out with the odds against them and win," said the mayor.)

True enough. But Paterson would need something close to a political miracle to survive a Cuomo primary challenge -- made far more likely by the White House's actions -- or a general election fight against Giuliani.

By Chris Cillizza  |  September 21, 2009; 3:00 PM ET
Categories:  Governors  
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Comments

Paterson is a victim of the dysfunction of the NY Senate and Assembly. No one can get things done with Sheldon Silver in the room. The fact anyone thinks that Andrew Cuomo would do any better is laughable. What is needed is strong reforms in the Senate and Assembly, and that will never happen. The cycle will just continue until then. The governor is just a fly on the wall, unless he wants to get blamed for "blocking" progress.

Posted by: BurtReynolds | September 23, 2009 5:53 AM | Report abuse

Paterson blames weak Obama record for friction

Patterson said, "If you look at it from their perspective, they haven’t exactly been able to govern in the first year of their administration in the way that other administrations have."

Enough said!

Posted by: tdl62 | September 22, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

DOOMED

Posted by: crrobin | September 22, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

patterson's ego tells him he must run...
thats why he will lose...
how dare obama tell a black man not to run...

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racist

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 22, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

This is much ado about nothing. All we really know is that someone close to the President had a meeting with Paterson.

Paterson is free to run. Obama is free not to support that run, or to support Cuomo if he wishes. And of course the primary and general election voters are free to vote for whom they choose.

Yes, the prez has political power, and yes, he can wield it as he chooses. Nothing new here--every president has done it.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | September 22, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Whatever the reason, Obama is not supporting Gov.Paterson and may be he is for Cuomo. There is no need to denigrate the current Governor of NY. Mr.Guiliani will be a contender. Right now, Obama should not bring his goons fron Illinois.Here is Afro-american opposing another Afro.In the first place, Obama has lost grip in his administration- total socialistic agenda is not working. I still do not believe he was elected for the office- an inadept who had no congressional or execuetive experience. Cool down Obama, you injected yourself in street brawl like situation- OH!! MA or one of these states. He has big mouth when he has a script written

Posted by: jayrkay | September 22, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

patterson's ego tells him he must run...
thats why he will lose...
how dare obama tell a black man not to run...

Posted by: DwightCollins | September 22, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Where is the DOJ Civil Rights Division investigation into the covert use of silent, harmful microwave and laser directed energy weapons on unjustly targeted Americans and their families by a Bush-legacy federal-local "multi-agency coordinated action program" that continues to commit civil and human rights violations under Team Obama?

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | September 21, 2009 9:22 PM
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Hey scrivener! Where have you been, you wild nutcase? Visiting the moons of Jupiter for vacation? I was beginning to think that "they" had finally tracked you down.

Glad to hear that you are still alive and kicking. Give my regards to the voices.

Posted by: hisroc | September 21, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

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PERSONAL TO "HISROC" @ 10:49 p.m.:


Thanks for the shout-out. I guess they left this truism out of the "psy ops" manual:

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BAD PUBLICITY.

No charge for the "consult."

-- scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | September 22, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Out Oregon way this looks like a blunder by Messrs. Obama/Schumer/Imannuel. Using his low ratings, they ask a legally blind, black governor to give up his chance for re-election by his own effort. Does anyone remember Harry Truman in 1948 when he ran a against the "shue-in" Dewey? If ratings be the "soul" criteria, let the entire Congress retire from office cause we don't like them either. Lastly, President Obama should be ashamed of himself in trying to kiss off Governor Patterson. This is going to hurt Obama.

Posted by: danshanteal | September 22, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Sandynh, you Obama haters amuse me. You so cavalierly throw around words like "narcissist" to describe him. Well obviously any person wh aspires to the most powerful office on the planet could be called that. But tell me, how would characterize Rush Limbaugh or say, Glenn Beck? Now there is some real narcissism!

Look. Beck And Limbaugh begin their day scouring the newspapers, blogs and TV broadcasts for any mention of their name. They crave attnetion even when it is negative. Sure I can accept a modicum of narcissism in our President. But, the world class award for that character trait has to go to Limbaugh who laughably refers to himself with such wholly inappropriate titles as "America's real anchorman" and "Doctor of Democracy".

And what about that unimaginably sill spectable of Limbaugh jumping up and down to the wild, cheering, slavish, cult-like dittoheads at that conservative gathering earlier this year (Ewwwwwww!)?

Posted by: jaxas | September 22, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

My question is why is the Obama administration so concerned about gubernatorial politics in New York? The outcome of the primary and general election in 2010 will have virtually no bearing on whether or not comprehensive health care in any form (public option or not) is passed in Congress nor will it have any bearing on trade deficit. If the Obama administration was concerned about its senatorial or congressional prospects next year, I could understand. But, New York is not a presidential swing state. If the President wants to get the maximum bang for his buck, he should be concentrating in assisting getting incumbents like Sen. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas reelected or displacing Sen David Vitter of Louisiana. There is going to be a tough election in Connecticut as well. But trying to shunt aside an embattled, minority governor who inherited a mess from his scandal-prone predecessor seems like a complete waste of time.

Posted by: Jay20 | September 22, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

The simple reality is that Paterson never recovered from the Senate appointment fiasco.

Unfortunately, he seems to think that it was the process alone that upset people, and not his final choice.

Actually, both the process AND the choice were lousy, as we're now stuck with Kirsten Gillibrand for the foreseeable future.

Andrew Cuomo will be the next governor of the state of New York, a position he has wanted for a very long time.

I hope he does well in it.

Posted by: Bondosan | September 22, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I guess I missed something, but I thought Mr. Paterson's fate was up to the residents of the State of New York to determine - not the narcissist in the White House.

Posted by: sandynh | September 22, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Patterson is simply a bumbler who does not know his limitations. He does not stand a chace.

Posted by: truth1 | September 22, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Texas not only takes boxcarloads of federal dollars, it has the most niggardly social support in the nation. Unemployment benefits run out fast and they don't help much while they still come.

Not exactly a place to brag about.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 22, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

The comments are interesting. You just have to tip toe through the tulips. I've gotten very good at glancing at the Posted by: before attempting to read. Skipping past snowbama is a skill.

I used to dislike 13th&O, but the

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was always a nice warning to page up to the next post.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | September 22, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Hey, usz guys, usz Newyorkers.......do something smart this next election......elect someone on the conservative side......most of the liberal states are broke, while the conservative states like THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS are doing well. NY, Mass., CA and many of our liberal states need to get their s--- together and start balancing their budget cause Obama can't do it in a million years. Don't blame it on Bush, now, yest, he did a big one to the deficit, but Obama will raise our debt so much that your great grandchildren will stil be paying off China if our nation is able to survive.

Posted by: libertymeanslife | September 21, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

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Texas has a state budget surplus because it mooches off the federal tax dollars generated by NY, CA, MA and IL. >>

Check it out for yourself -- http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/22685.html

Posted by: htruman1 | September 21, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Off topic but what is that thing in the President's ear? Is it true that he gets his talking points through a microphone in his ear? I read it but didn't believe it but that picture shows something in his ear. Is he deaf?

Posted by: ardysrp | September 21, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Where is the DOJ Civil Rights Division investigation into the covert use of silent, harmful microwave and laser directed energy weapons on unjustly targeted Americans and their families by a Bush-legacy federal-local "multi-agency coordinated action program" that continues to commit civil and human rights violations under Team Obama?

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | September 21, 2009 9:22 PM
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Hey scrivener! Where have you been, you wild nutcase? Visiting the moons of Jupiter for vacation? I was beginning to think that "they" had finally tracked you down.

Glad to hear that you are still alive and kicking. Give my regards to the voices.

Posted by: hisroc | September 21, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, our unfunded liabilities hover around 100 trillion dollars, but neither donkeys nor republicans have the time to deal with real issues.

Posted by: EliPeyton | September 21, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

sverigegrabb writes
"I'd like to cotribute some reasoned thought to this story, but it seems that the bullies have taken over control of the entire play yard.

Once the adults retake control and are in charge again, I'll come back. This situation in ridiculous and infantile."


Cillizza has threatened to clean up the blog, but seems reluctant to follow through. Its a pity. The comments used to be interesting.

Posted by: bsimon1 | September 21, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

How typically hypocritically of this administration which will NOT inject itself into Holder's investigation of the CIA which will probably damage America but oh so willing to inject itself into NY politics (and Mass. and Illinois) because they are the ones who might be damaged by leaving things to the people.

Posted by: ardysrp | September 21, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

IT'S "SPEAK SOFTLY..."

Isn't the bigger question, why isn't the White House more circumspect in signaling its political desires?

This, coupled with the leak of the Afghanistan "More Troops or We Fail" document, makes me wonder who on the inside is sabotaging Obama's image as an effective, savvy and (when the need arises) discreet leader.

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Where is the DOJ Civil Rights Division investigation into the covert use of silent, harmful microwave and laser directed energy weapons on unjustly targeted Americans and their families by a Bush-legacy federal-local "multi-agency coordinated action program" that continues to commit civil and human rights violations under Team Obama?

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | September 21, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey, usz guys, usz Newyorkers.......do something smart this next election......elect someone on the conservative side......most of the liberal states are broke, while the conservative states like THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS are doing well. NY, Mass., CA and many of our liberal states need to get their s--- together and start balancing their budget cause Obama can't do it in a million years. Don't blame it on Bush, now, yest, he did a big one to the deficit, but Obama will raise our debt so much that your great grandchildren will stil be paying off China if our nation is able to survive.

Posted by: libertymeanslife | September 21, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

BRING BACK SPITZER.

Posted by: fudador | September 21, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

This may be the elusive answer to revenue woes at the WAPO and other mainstream media outlets: hire a bookmaker to handicap upcoming elections!

If you give me a five point spread, I’ll take Republicans in the 2010 elections.

Posted by: dcn1 | September 21, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Former Gov. George Pataki, a Republican, said today that it was wrong for pResident Obama to inject himself in New York politics.

"To weaken and undermine the governor beyond the weakness that already exists to me doesn't serve the interest of our state, doesn't serve the interest of our country and I would just focus a lot more on policy than politics if I were leading the county today," Pataki said.

http://wcbstv.com/local/barack.obama.david.2.1197347.html

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

more good news for you democrats. Are any of you honest, law abiding citizens?

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Hassan Nemazee, a fund-raiser for Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and other Democrats, has been indicted for defrauding Bank of America, HSBC and Citigroup Inc out of more than $290 million in loan proceeds, U.S. prosecutors said on Monday.

Posted by: charlietuna666 | September 21, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

As I said, you have fun too (I am more than content in allowing the Lurkers to judge where and when I asked the question and your refusal to answer same : )

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

P.S. to Lurkers:

Here's the "hot button dogma" (aka simple and honest question) that htruman1 refused to answer: "What does [the unemployment rate being a lagging economic indicator] have to do with Gov. Paterson?" Keep in mind that the thread topic is about Gov. Paterson's future political career.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 7:06 PM

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JakeD, actually our whole little "discussion" started out when I mocked the credibility of your comments by circling back to bogus sources that you have extrapolated from in the past. (If you don't doubt this please check out the archive of our conversation below.... as in what prompted it.) Thus this whole fiasco didn't arise from you asking me a question that I then refused to answer. To the contrary it originated from me calling you on your BS and then you chasing me around this forum with the repetitive refrain of "why won't you answer my question, why won't you answer my question... uh, uh, why, why!!!)

Btw your tactic is commonly used on hate radio. Switch and bait that is. The problem is that this isn't your own little hate radio station so you're kind of out of luck.

Obviously god's assessment of Mother Teresa/Tolstoy is his and his only...... but here in the now and present it's pretty clear that you're a fake C--------.

I'm pretty confident that my assessment won't be disvalidated on judgment day.

Have fun in angry/delusional land and be sure to stick it to the needy and empathetic like hate radio tells you to!

Posted by: htruman1 | September 21, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

sverigegrabb:

Our gracious host has once before attempted to ban those who resort to name-calling like: "Go to hell, racist swine!" Hopefully, the ban sticks next time.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

I'd like to cotribute some reasoned thought to this story, but it seems that the bullies have taken over control of the entire play yard.

Once the adults retake control and are in charge again, I'll come back. This situation in ridiculous and infantile.

Posted by: sverigegrabb | September 21, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

P.S. to Lurkers:

Here's the "hot button dogma" (aka simple and honest question) that htruman1 refused to answer: "What does [the unemployment rate being a lagging economic indicator] have to do with Gov. Paterson?" Keep in mind that the thread topic is about Gov. Paterson's future political career.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

htruman1:

Since they are dead, only God knows if Tolstoy/Mother Teresa were true Christians. If you don't believe me about that either, just ask Pastor Rick.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Terrorfied | September 21, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Thousands died because "FDR" refused to share coded Magic intercepts with Admiral Kimmel:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/history/american/574

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

htruman1:

I realize you are not answering my questions, but at least use the dictionary: "exclusionary" does not mean that EVERYONE ("minorities and gays and women" as just the latest example) all go to Heaven if they accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. Again, if they do so, they are all my brothers and sisters in Christ. Rick Warren believes the exact same thing BTW.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

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JakeD.... you don't ask "questions", rather you spew hot button dogma that is recited day in and day out on the hate radio stations that shape your world view.

Nice ramble fest on exclusion (with no discernable sign of resolution). I particularly appreciate how you talk about the non-exclusivity of god, who was never under fire btw. You're the one whose authenticity is in question. Only to wrap it up with "if they do so, they are all my brothers and sisters". In other words play by Jake's rules and you can join his club.... assuming he doesn't throw in some other conditions after the hitherto requisites have been fulfilled.

I’m not too surprised that you’re mute on the reference to Tolstoy/Mother Teresa. After all, they were pretty big on empathy, and we all know what hate radio tells you to think of that!

Posted by: htruman1 | September 21, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, we can't say anything to the firemen who died.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

NY needs Rudy!!! He brought great leadership to Manhattan when we needed it

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Tell that to the firemen who died because "Rudy" refused to upgrade their communications.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 21, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

obama is getting more and more stupid everyday.

Posted by: highwaybluesoccer | September 21, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Even the KKK know enough to not wear white after Labor Day ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

There sure have been an unusual number of know-nothings posting to The Fix lately. Is this what the value voters do for fun after the speeches are over?

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No after the speeches are over they get out the white sheets with the eye-holes

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 21, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

It's sadly common to watch debased politics slide into biblical eisegesis.

Someone, please shut the Stupid Door.

Posted by: nodebris | September 21, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Not entirely. The intended basis of my comment was that the in your face, self proclaimed value voters/Christians that we see on Fox News and Tea Party rallies couldn't be any further from the life and intentions that the scriptures advocated if they tried.

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I'm an atheist but I've read a lot about original Christian doctrine, it was kind of a hobby of mine as a side trail from Gnosticism.

It's actually a lot worse than you say; Jesus was completely opposed to anything like a worldly authoritative church, and American fundamentalism would have offended him mightily. The original Christian proselytizers were itinerant men carrying a few hand-copied scriptures and if they asked for money they were phonies. They could accept donations but not ask for them.

Not that I care but the fact that churches pass around collection plates is BY ITSELF proof of their illegitimacy.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 21, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

A remarkable and disgusting display of power politics by the White House. Who are they to determine who the junior Senator, and now the Governor, of New York should be? Doesn't Obama have better things to do than intrude on the democratic processes of New York? This is a dramatic overreach that will come back to haunt the President. He has truly jumped the shark.

Posted by: roger321 | September 21, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

So Obama will through the Harlem black man(Patterson) under the bus for the "White Guy"??

This will kill the Democrat party, if Obama gets his way!!!!

Posted by: jjcrocket2 | September 21, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

htruman1:

I realize you are not answering my questions, but at least use the dictionary: "exclusionary" does not mean that EVERYONE ("minorities and gays and women" as just the latest example) all go to Heaven if they accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. Again, if they do so, they are all my brothers and sisters in Christ. Rick Warren believes the exact same thing BTW.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

NY needs Rudy!!! He brought great leadership to Manhattan when we needed it most and now he needs to bring that same leadership to Albany to clean up NY! Join the cause for Rudy! www.DraftRudy.com

Posted by: drudy1 | September 21, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

There sure have been an unusual number of know-nothings posting to The Fix lately. Is this what the value voters do for fun after the speeches are over?

Posted by: nodebris | September 21, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

hey htruman you left out the number one quality of today's "conservatives": bigotry.

Jeebus will be preaching that hating minorities and gays and subjugating women is the very soul of Christianity.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 21, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

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Not entirely. The intended basis of my comment was that the in your face, self proclaimed value voters/Christians that we see on Fox News and Tea Party rallies couldn't be any further from the life and intentions that the scriptures advocated if they tried.

Unfortunately they give the religion they claim to be representing a bad name. I have a tremendous reservoir of respect for real Christians such as Mother Teresa, Leo Tolstoy and Rick Warren.

JakeD's just some character who is really afraid of dying and thinks that clinging to an exclusionary misinterpretation of Christianity is going to garner him some big reward on the day of reckoning.

Posted by: htruman1 | September 21, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

As long as they don't ask for equal tax treatment with "real" married people.

Posted by: yeswiican | September 21, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"personal savior" always sounds to me like something you buy at Bartell's

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 21, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/21/AR2009092100989.html?hpid=artslot

Well, looks like JakeD got his wish for about 3-8 people. Throw in a Yale grad student and I'd say that he had a pretty successful few weeks of wishing.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 21, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm praying he doesn't survive the anesthesia.

Posted by JakeD

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 21, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

For the record, Christian theology grants that minorities and gays and women all go to Heaven if they accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. If so, they are my brothers and sisters in Christ.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

hey htruman you left out the number one quality of today's "conservatives": bigotry.

Jeebus will be preaching that hating minorities and gays and subjugating women is the very soul of Christianity.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 21, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

You have fun too (until Christ returns, because He won't be "organizing" anything ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

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No Jake, he's gonna want to have an uplifting talk about "The Virtue of Selfishness" with you and all the other ravenous fake Christians for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and eeevvvvvveeeeeeerrrrrrrrrr.

Ooooh, that soft-core pornstar, former Miss California, that all you "value voters" get so excited about is going be at this truly "righteous" event as well.

Because what could be more godly than greed, war mongering, plastic surgery, scapegoating, hatred for the weak and everything else that you place on a pedestal.

Posted by: htruman1 | September 21, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Another thing just for the record it's highly likely Patterson initiated the chats. With the polls this bad I would suspect he was putting out feelers as to how much support and "stumping" he could expect from the Whitehouse in 2010.
Of course they're talking.

Posted by: qcdude3 | September 21, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Beingsensible:

As long as you answer my questions to you in a civil manner, I will return the same courtesy. Let me know if you wish to continue our discussion.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Beingsensible:

I am not getting out of here, and I am not a Republican. Next question?

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

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To the contrary, he's a non-Repub who can apologize for Dick Cheney with the best.

First rule in the fake Christian's handbook; never be caught with a lie in your mouth. To achieve this perfect the art of feigning incredulousness as to how your adroit accuser could have so "misunderstood" your statement.....

Posted by: htruman1 | September 21, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Christ isn't coming back. The hallucinogenic mushroom is extinct. Pike died looking for it.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 21, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

As a resident of the soveriegn state of new york, The white house should stay out new york polical govener election, that is still a year a way, this obama trying to micromanage new york, he tried to do it when hillary took up her present post and left an empty senate seat, he wanted a kennedy heir, for the support of him in the election, paterson's choice an upstate representive, this insult of the presdient wishes has not been forgotten
lets not forget what is realy the hoo haa with the new york govenor election, it the 2010 census and re gerrymandering new york to ensure the demacratic single party rule
hopefully new york will be able to see past this old school party politics and vote for the best canadite
it happened in conneticut remember when the demacrts kicked liberman out in their primary and he still won the senate seat

Posted by: jtonne | September 21, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

You have fun too (until Christ returns, because He won't be "organizing" anything ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

htruman:

I am not the one refusing to "get[] back to" you on anything and then calling ME "ignorant" (you did type that, even though the "lie" charge was from someone else, I was using your post to prove I did not lie). I would have gladly answered your question but for your refusal to answer my previously asked question - as you noted, you are under no obligation to answer -- neither am I.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

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Ha! That's funny. Somehow I suspect that "getting back" to my questions was never on your to do list regardless of the conditional perquisite that you cite.

Have fun bashing on community organizing, because **ahem**, we all know that JC would have been a Halliburton exec or a beauty pageant contestant, and most assuredly would not have been out working for better services and representation for the poor :-P

Posted by: htruman1 | September 21, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

helloisanyoneoutthere:

Maybe not. Who thought, more than three years before 2008, that Obama would be elected?

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

ZnZn

Posted by: htruman1 | September 21, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Say what you want about President Obama's methods, but if the Democrat's nominee for the Governor of New York is Paterson, he will lose.


Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | September 21, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

GoldAndTanzanite:

Yeahm yeah, he only "says 6 things over and over" too. We get your schtick.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

qcdude3:

But I thought that "Republican will never win another election, ever again" © 2008 DNC

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Giuliani? Please. The guy is a Barbie Doll loaded with recordings.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 21, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Beingsensible:

I am not getting out of here, and I am not a Republican. Next question?

htruman:

I am not the one refusing to "get[] back to" you on anything and then calling ME "ignorant" (you did type that, even though the "lie" charge was from someone else, I was using your post to prove I did not lie). I would have gladly answered your question but for your refusal to answer my previously asked question - as you noted, you are under no obligation to answer -- neither am I.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

This rag is read by a bunch of neanderthals.

Evidently you don't know anything about politics. Of course it's OK for Obama to discuss the Governors prospects. That's what pol's of the same party do with each other when in trouble. And Patterson is in deep trouble. When your own advisers are calling for a come from behind "Hail Mary" simply to hold the primary it's really bad.

Petty stupid issues raised to denigrate Obama. Those finding fault with Obama had best look for solutions for Patterson, all the BS aside Patterson is toasted both within and outside the party.

Posted by: qcdude3 | September 21, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Whenever Blacks are elected to executive postions, three things usually happen:

1. Spending tax dollars without regard for budgets

2. Abuse of the perks associated with the office

3. Failure, then playing the race card as defense

Questions?

Posted by: tjhall1
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Yes, just one...what Black Executives did you use to come up with your findings...oh, one more also what White Executives did you use to determine the differences?

Posted by: Beingsensible | September 21, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

New York needs a governor who can exercise leadership. Paterson might be a good guy, and I think he is trying to change Albany, but he seems to have lost the respect (fear?) of the state assembly and senate leaders. I doubt Cuomo could do any worse, and Rudy would probably be entertaining, but I don't think real change will come to Albany until we replace the vast majority of the senators and state reps. Since they've created such safe districts, that's not likely to happen any time soon.

Posted by: -pamela | September 21, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Don't listen to them -- hang in there, my brother -- you killed on SNL last season!!!

Donate to Paterson's campaign:

http://www.patersonforny.com/

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Get the hell outta here, lol...is this JakeD the number 1 Republican Bull Horn rooting for Paterson?, lol...you're that afraid of Cuomo, huh...the truth is you know damned well that Cuomo will screw the nuts off of "a noun, a verb and 911" lol..."My brother"?, LOL where was the "brother"ly love for Obama when he was running against McCain...everyday you were fighting off comments that you were a racist; and now Paterson is "the brother" you are rooting for, lol...WHAT!--do you think we've just forgotten about your Rethunglican Rants during the general electoin season. Come on JakeD, say it with me...PATERSON! PATERSON! PATERSON!!! Now let's go get A noun, A verb, and 911 elected as governor, LOL!!!

Posted by: Beingsensible | September 21, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama is also meddling in our 2010 Senate Race in Colorado. The Democratic Base is angry that Gov. Ritter appointed an inexperienced newbie over good Dems who have paid their dues and are Known To The Base. It did not go over well with the rank and file.

Then a few seconds after the primary challenger announces, Obama endorsed the appointee (who has less than 6 months in office). We didn't elect Obama King.

John H Kennedy, Denver CO
http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG

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Posted by: johnhkennedy | September 21, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Display of Obamas loyality . = 0 Question of the year ; Why does ANYONE support Obama ?

Posted by: Imarkex | September 21, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I don't live in NY so I can't comment on how Paterson has done, but I would say that the White House stepping in so blatantly to tell him he better not run, is in my opinion, overstepping the bounds of decency unless he plans on deciding who should or should not run in all other states as well. Did he tell Corzine, who is not so popular at the moment, to step out of the way? No, he campaigned for him. Seems t was also reported he didn't like the fact that Paterson snubbed Kennedy who went out and worked to get Obama elected. Is this payback time for not choosing her to fill Hillary's seat? I just don't like the fact that Obama is telling one not to run but helping out another in the same situation. It smells.

Posted by: justmyvoice | September 21, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow! While running Wall Street. the banks and auto industry our President has time to manage New York state. I guess he can just skip any future elections.

Posted by: eldergent | September 21, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

htruman:

As you just conceded, I didn't "lie" about the unemployment rate -- of course, it's a lagging indicator -- but you still haven't answered my question: what does that have to do with Gov. Paterson? As long as you answer my questions to you, I will always return the same common courtesy.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 4:48 PM

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JakeD --
Hmmm, I didn't call you a "liar". I inferred that you were ignorant.... and a little regressive in your perception of the world which feeds into your fixation with posting links to "lagging" economic indicators on this site (starting in January and even before that) to suggest that Obama's economic policies aren't working (and in fact the cause of the recession that NBER claims started in 12/07) and that things were going groovy throughout GWB's 2nd term in office.

Can I make that anymore clear??

Second, you don't own forum. Thus by participating in it I am in no way obliged to acknowledge this highly dogmatic itinerary of "questions" that your frequently refer to.

My question to you, is why do you get off on slandering god so much? Where does it say in the bible that god is for:

(1) torture ?
(2) usury ?
(3) scapegoating the weak and needy in society ?
(4) being a sycophant to the privileged and self interested ?
(5) ridiculing community organizing but very much in praise of making a living as a beauty contestant?

Somehow I think the chances of you getting back to me on these is slim given that it would result in a little cognitive dissonance for you..............................

Posted by: htruman1 | September 21, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

What's the big deal? Whoever wins the primary is the best candidate to go forward. If he's that unpopular, he won't make it past the primary.

Posted by: way2ski | September 21, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Display of Obamas loyality . = 0 Question of the year ; Why does ANYONE support Obama ?

Posted by: Imarkex | September 21, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

htruman:

As you just conceded, I didn't "lie" about the unemployment rate -- of course, it's a lagging indicator -- but you still haven't answered my question: what does that have to do with Gov. Paterson? As long as you answer my questions to you, I will always return the same common courtesy.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

NO MORE NON-WHITE SCUM HOLDING POLITICAL OFFICE!!!!!!

SEND THE MONKEYS HOME WITH A JEW UNDER EACH ARM!!!!!!

BRING BACK A WHITE SOCIETY !!!!!!!

Posted by: dumniggar

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Ah, at last, a real Republican not cowing behind dog-whistle code words

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 21, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey htruman. We don't respond to JakeD around here. It's universally known that everything he posts is a lie, so save your breath.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 21, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

No.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Of course the voters will decide. As the leader of the Democratic Party, however, Obama will influence how much (if any) support Paterson will get from the DNC. All Obama is doing at the moment is signalling Cuomo that he will not alienate the party if he decides to run against Paterson in the primary.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | September 21, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

kristen6:

You've heard of ACORN, right?

htruman1:

I've never said that the unemployment rate is a leading economic indicator. Not sure what that has to do with Gov. Paterson though.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

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Yet you repeatedly focus on lagging indicators as if they were, so by extension you are...

..... actions trump words. Obviously that's hard news for fake christians.

Btw, did your fat boy heroes on hate radio tell you that ACORN is still the key word of choice? Out of curiosity are we supposed to MAD %$#& :-X !!!! when you say it or sca sca sca sca sca scared...??

Posted by: htruman1 | September 21, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I miss Eliot Spitzer. Yeah, right, I'm sure you're a big Patterson fan, JakeD. That would make you and Patterson's wife. You remind me of a Republican that wanted me to sign a petition to put him on the ballot for drain commissioner so he could run against the incumbent Republican. I told him that my father's Republican party made the trains run on time and his derails them. I wouldn't help a Republican run for dog catcher. He said, "oh, no, by helping me you'll be sabotaging him." "Oh, no," I said. "I don't play those kind of games."

Posted by: SarahBB | September 21, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Paterson is just an accidental governor and never should of been there in the first place. Paterson just wouldn't take the hint that he shouldn't run so he needed to be pushed. Andrew Cuomo is a very formidable politician and is the Democrat's best candidate.

Posted by: buffysummers | September 21, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Paterson was not voted in

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In fact, the Lt. Governor of NY is voted in. It is still not to the level of corruption of say, Massachussetts.

Posted by: snowbama | September 21, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Whenever Blacks are elected to executive postions, three things usually happen:

1. Spending tax dollars without regard for budgets

2. Abuse of the perks associated with the office

3. Failure, then playing the race card as defense

Questions?

Posted by: tjhall1 | September 21, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse


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At least they're not fata$$, unemployed, uninsured losers such as yourself who attend protests to rant and rave about living wages and broader access to healthcare.

By golly they'll never be that **smart** :-P

Posted by: htruman1 | September 21, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

kristen6:

You've heard of ACORN, right?

htruman1:

I've never said that the unemployment rate is a leading economic indicator. Not sure what that has to do with Gov. Paterson though.

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

It's not up to Obama whether someone can win an election. The voters decide! It's not exactly a tough concept - even GWB could probably grasp it.

Posted by: kristen6 | September 21, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

What Gov. Paterson needs is Rudy to have written a Thesis 40 years ago (or Obama to make another blind / Special Olympics "joke" again ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

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Brought to you by the same guy who thinks that the unemployment rate is a leading economic indicator.

Posted by: htruman1 | September 21, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Whenever Blacks are elected to executive postions, three things usually happen:

1. Spending tax dollars without regard for budgets

2. Abuse of the perks associated with the office

3. Failure, then playing the race card as defense

Questions?

Posted by: tjhall1 | September 21, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Can we all just admit that Liberals look great in the store window but when we get them home to try on it turns out the quality and craftmanship is not what we thought. It is very much like a hollywood stage. Everything looks great from the front, but there is nothing behind it and therefore it simply can not fulfill the task that is needed.

Buyers remorse is indeed a liberal cross to bear. what is amazing is how quickly it kicked in this time. from hero to zero in six short months. It is too much like a hollywood wedding not to notice.

Posted by: snowbama | September 21, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

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Poor snowbama, probably doesn't realize that Paterson was not voted in, and that he sits in the office becuase the gov that was elected by the people resigned.

I expect this to elicit a highly predictable respite grounded in ACORN!!:-X or some other smoke and mirror tactic learned from hate radio.

Posted by: htruman1 | September 21, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

It's not a democracy when Obama and his administration want to determine that Paterson should not run for governor. Let the people decide. Heck, if he is not doing his job, he should be removed, then. Obama is not doing what he promised to do during the elections, any way. On that basis, the election was a fraud. He is now for making health insurance for individuals mandatory, even if they are perfectly healthy. Any insurance for individuals should not be on a mandatory basis. If it were that all BUSINESSES have to provide insurance for their workers, that would be correct. But forcing individuals, that's not. The scheme proposed just gives more riches to the already powerful and rich insurance businesses and to the entire health-care octopus. The proposed scheme will hurt people more than heal them.

Posted by: ElMugroso | September 21, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh great the trolls are bringing out the big guns.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 21, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Patterson is not doing any worse than the Terminator in California. Better stick with what ya got NY .. it could be worse!

Posted by: paris1969 | September 21, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure the Big Banks can afford to bankroll it this time ... they haven't jacked up the fees and overdraft charges enough ....

Posted by: WillSeattle | September 21, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Acorns making up the vote twice and often poll numbers, may want to retract since Obama threw them all under the bus live and in living color on Sunday with George.

Has a valid American President ever ran a local election and a car Company, while being the full time job Chairman of the UN Security Council before?

Gee only a Heath Ledger type Joker character would try that, it doesn't happen in real life does it?

Posted by: dottydo | September 21, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Any one read MAHABHARATA, story of real blind King's action- His wife tied band to blind herself,as she got married this blind King- this throne was bestowed on Pandu, a younger brother.This blind king,not physical only,was completely blind to his Kingdom- basically this blindness was every action and the wife decided become blind by wearing Bandana-Both of them completely blind to their actions and also permitted the sons act irrationally. This basically is story of Mahabratha- evil vs GOOD.I am not following the politics of Governorship in NY.Why is it Obama has dropped in the misdst of this controversy regarding Gov.Paterson- who is BLIND, does Obama think this person is an evil person, politically speaking.This is politics of Obama, why should we trust O. Obama is a very complex individual, went to his church-Rev. Wright, never heard him say any thing harmful during the prayer speeches. Who is BLIND & DEAF. We made the mistake to elect a person who is Blind as well as DEAF. What happened to this president- are the goons in chicago, controlling him. By the way, I should not forget to mention RAHM IMMANUAL

Posted by: jayrkay | September 21, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Acorns making up the vote twice and often poll numbers, may want to retract since Obama threw them all under the bus live and in living color on Sunday with George.

Has a valid American President ever ran a local election, and a car Company, while being the full time job Chairman of the UN Security Council before?

Posted by: dottydo | September 21, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

If Paterson can't get enough support, luckily we have something called "primaries," where Democratic voters can choose the more popular candidate. Let's have a little more faith in the political system.

Posted by: kennedys | September 21, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

As Obama begins to pick State politicians should we just throw out the voting booths?
They do cost a lot of money and if everyone is going to ignore their use and meaning, why not save money for the greater cause...like Adolph used to say.

Posted by: dottydo | September 21, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

What business is it of the White House who New York picks to run their business?

Obama just had a big dinner Sept. 1, 2009 at the Whitehose loving up this guy, and this Organization.

http://www.kfyi.com/pages/hayworth.html

The FBI should either follow up with enforcement or change their enemy lists to remain at all a valid group.

Obama's choices of who and what to be concerned about, is disconcerting to Americans who like the USA Constitution.

Posted by: dottydo | September 21, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Stick a fork in it. It's over for Paterson.

Posted by: maritza1 | September 21, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Stick a fork in it. It's over for Paterson.

Posted by: maritza1 | September 21, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Paterson is "dead man walking" so to speak. Now everybody knows that the White House doesn't have his back resulting in his funds for re-election to dry up.

By doing this Obama has given his blessing to Cuomo to enter the race. If Guiliani jumps in I will bet my life that Paterson will be literally shoved out the door and Cuomo will be forced to run.

New Yorkers don't mince words. Paterson's days are numbered.

Posted by: maritza1 | September 21, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gov! While your down there under the Otrauma bus, can you feel your way around and see if the idler arms need some grease, please? And Rev. Wright is making his way back to the transmission to see if it has a leak. Let us know if he finds anything, please.
{Bus PA} Next Stop; Trenton, NJ and Gov Corzine's office...All below!!!!

Posted by: MDDem1 | September 21, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

What Gov. Paterson needs is Rudy to have written a Thesis 40 years ago (or Obama to make another blind / Special Olympics "joke" again ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Can we all just admit that Liberals look great in the store window but when we get them home to try on it turns out the quality and craftmanship is not what we thought. It is very much like a hollywood stage. Everything looks great from the front, but there is nothing behind it and therefore it simply can not fulfill the task that is needed.

Buyers remorse is indeed a liberal cross to bear. what is amazing is how quickly it kicked in this time. from hero to zero in six short months. It is too much like a hollywood wedding not to notice.

Posted by: snowbama | September 21, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Don't listen to them -- hang in there, my brother -- you killed on SNL last season!!!

Donate to Paterson's campaign:

http://www.patersonforny.com/

Posted by: JakeD | September 21, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

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