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Wis.Governor: Green's Money Problem Good News for Doyle?

For months, Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle has struggled to move beyond ethics questions surrounding his administration. His challenger, Rep. Mark Green (R), has bashed Doyle for pay-to-play politics while painting himself as crusader against corruption.

A ruling yesterday by the Wisconsin Elections Board may change all of that.

The Board ruled by a 5-2 vote that Green must return $468,000 in contributions because they were made by political action committees outside of Wisconsin -- a practice banned by state law. The Board also said that Green had exceeded -- by more than $150,000 -- the $485,000 state limit for PAC donations. The board vote was along party lines with four Democrats and a Libertarian in favor of Green returning the cash. Two Republicans voted against it. (One Republican on the Board abstained due to his ties to Green's lawyer.)

At issue is a rule handed down by the state's ethics board in January 2005 that would disallow any candidate for state office to spend money transferred from a federal account, if that money was not raised in accordance with Wisconsin's campaign finance laws. The rule was put on hold by a state legislative committee soon after it was issued but never came up for a vote of the full state legislature.

The cash in Green's case was transferred from his congressional political action committee, a common move for members of Congress running for state office. Green campaign manager Mark Graul points to a letter he received from the Election Board in February 2005 that made no mention of a prohibition on contributions from out of state PACS.

In reaction to yesterday's ruling, Graul said that Green had spent the money in question and therefore had nothing to return. A spokesman for the Board disagreed, saying that Green had ten days to return the money or run the risk of facing a civil suit.

While the local media coverage focused on the impact that returning nearly a half million dollars would have on Green's fundraising (as of June 30 he trailed Doyle by about $2 million in cash on hand), the more important story is whether the Board's ruling will neutralize -- or at least Blunt -- Green's ability to make the race a referendum on Doyle's alleged ethical transgressions.

To date, Green and like-minded Republican organizations have pummeled Doyle for the problems within his Administration. One ad, funded by a soft-money group known as the Coalition for America's Families, compares Doyle to former President Richard Nixon. The Republican Governors Association is currently running an ad entitled "Auction" that alleges Doyle "put a price tag on Wisconsin's good name."

But, Doyle's campaign moved quickly yesterday to paint the ruling as a sign that Green has his own ethical baggage. "Congressman Green has been caught violating Wisconsin's campaign finance laws," Doyle campaign spokesman Anson Kaye told the Associated Press. "He should own up to it and then he should do exactly what the elections board has instructed him to do, which is get rid of this dirty money."

It's a near certainty that Green's legal team will seek to overturn this ruling. But, in the meantime, Doyle's campaign will do everything in their power to make sure voters know that the Congressman accepted "dirty" money and broke state campaign finance law. While the reality is considerably more murky, the issue translates nicely into a 30-second television ad, which you should expect to see out of the Doyle operation any day.

Regardless of this ruling, Doyle remains one of the nation's most endangered governors this fall. Recent polling has shown conflicting numbers. A Research 2000 poll gave Doyle a 48 percent to 38 percent bulge while a Strategic Vision survey gave Doyle a statistically insignificant 45 percent to 44 percent margin. (Strategic Vision is a Republican polling firm but does not work for Green.)

In a race this close, every development needs to be monitored for its potential impact on the final outcome. Can Doyle use the Board's decision to sully Green's anti-corruption message? Or will the Board's ruling be overturned, making this nothing more than a temporary distraction for both sides? Stay tuned.

By Chris Cillizza  |  August 31, 2006; 10:22 AM ET
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It's Sept 11th, Green has refused to give back the money, as ordered by the Elections Board. So he does the proper GOP thing... he sues the board.
If you want to be Governor, don;t sue the state you want to win in. Second, if you are a lawyer and do file a lawsuit, which in Wisconsin is called an Intentional Tort, you should mkae sure who you are suing.
Green has sued an Elections Board member who was absent when the decision against him was rendered.
Now, Green has another $200,000 of illegal PAC money to get rid of before the board goes after him again! Any PAC has to be registered in Wisconsin to do anything, especially give money.
The Wisc GOP has sued the current governor, the state atty general and who knows who else, and has lost every single case since May of this year.
Maybe Green thinks he's so like Bush he can sue his way into office. But, there is something Wisconsin does...we change our minds.
We elected, everyone's poster child of idiot politicians, Joe Mc Carthy who dropped dead in his second term and we replaced him with one of the most liberal of liberal, Bill Proxmire.
Green's chances don't look good, and bringing Cheney to scare the hell out of voters is not going to help.
Green can retire and hope to keep his law license, if he hasn't forgotten to renew it.
But this is fun having such a bunch of wacky Republicans running this time in Wisconsin. It's soooo Cheeesy!

Posted by: goofticket | September 11, 2006 7:59 PM | Report abuse

We can talk about all the ethics and fraud we want. With Kohl without a serious challenger for the senate, and with Green the nominee for governor this one is long over. Without Thompson on the ticket for either race, and an ethically charged congressman leading the charge for the GOP in this state, the GOP is dead in Wisconsin for 06'.

Posted by: reason | September 5, 2006 11:22 AM | Report abuse

There have been numerous spurious ethics charges leveled at Doyle, and the state Ethics Board dismissed one of them yesterday (Sept. 1). So the headlines this week have been "Green ordered to return PAC money" and "Doyle cleared of ethics violation."

Posted by: Paul_Robeson | September 2, 2006 7:29 AM | Report abuse

SP Barclay, I'm guessing this poll

Hostettler 29% Ellsworth 61%
Garin-Hart-Yang 6/05 4.4%

Posted by: Rob Millette | September 2, 2006 2:28 AM | Report abuse

I might add, just to follow up on some of the earlier comments above, that Green is not out of the woods in terms of possible ethics problems. Much of the investigation of the WI legislative caucus scandal was conducted as "John Doe" proceedings, and those records have been sealed. However, the WI Attorney General (who is facing a tough re-election battle of her own) is attempting to unseal those records.

The stakes for Green could not be much higher. Because he worked under the now-convicted Jensen, his name and role did surface during Jensen's trial, but neither prosecutors nor the media really followed up very thoroughly. (Green himself has claimed, somewhat implausibly, that he hadn't known that any caucus staffers had been campaigning on state time, per Jensen's orders.) It's certainly possible that there is some embarrassing material in those sealed records -- and a court could open them before the election.

Posted by: Paul_Robeson | September 1, 2006 12:17 PM | Report abuse


"polling shows Ellsworth comfortably leading..."

What poll, exactly? The poll that is generated in Cillizza's and Rothenberg's heads?

Posted by: SP Barclay | September 1, 2006 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"Obeying campaign laws is sadly so confusing,"

apparently, the Republicans are also confused about the FISA laws, envirnomental laws, and international laws against wars and torture...

Ignorance isn't allowable,is confusion of the law an acceptable excuse?


Posted by: Anonymous | September 1, 2006 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Green's campaign is the last outfit that should be screaming dirty politics of pay for play. Green's campaign manager was close enough to Jack Abramoff to have the felon leave tickets for Graul to various entertainment venues. Green was also tight with scandal-plagued Tom Delay. Green is an oily Republic Party politician who cares nothing about real people; he only cares about people with money and climbing the political ladder.

And, while in Congress, he was one of Bush's biggest enablers, voting with the administration 92% of the time. I don't agree with my dog 92% of the time.

A recent spate of clean government trials here in Wisconsin convicted Green protege Scott Jensen, Jensen is appealing, but during his trial many witnesses testified that Jensen was following Wisconsin Assembly protocols (unethical to illegal) put in place and used by Mark Green when he was a wheel in the state's Assembly.

Mark Green was found in violation of Wisconsin's campaign finance laws be the State Election Board. It's not the first time Green's camp has been found in violation of state or federal law. But like many in the Republic Party, those laws are for other people, not him.

Jim Doyle has forged a centerist position here in Wisconsin. People know him and trust him. He's on the right side of embryonic stem cell research, he hasn't raised taxes one penny, and he's been a very stable and effective governor. That's why Wisconsinites are going to re-elect him to a second term.

Posted by: RD | September 1, 2006 9:24 AM | Report abuse

The topic is about Wisconsin and the governor's race. I can understand bring in the topic of other governor races, and even the ethic problems of other political races. But what on earth does that have to do with Bush's speech in Utah linking the terrorists and the Nazi brutality? Some guy has a burr up his butt over the Bush family and some whatever which dates back to the pre-WW2 days or even during the war.

HEY, GO FIND ANOTHER WEBSITE for your yapping.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2006 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I was curious if there were any results from OH house races available?

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 31, 2006 5:15 PM | Report abuse

In Ohio gov race- Strickland(D) 57% Blackwell(R) 32% How will you Reps steal the vote in Ohio in 2008? Ohio senate Brown(D)48% DeWhine(R) 39% This was in the LIBERAL Wall Street Journal earlier this week

Posted by: Larry | August 31, 2006 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I think that famous left -coast fog has addled your brain.

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 31, 2006 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Truth Hunter, thanks for the link to the blog on the Corn Belters to our southwest. I just read a bit of Midwestern history that quoted a historian a century ago about Iowa.

I bet it's still true that Iowans go to bed early -- but only to read an improving book before they go to sleep.

Don't let the national Dems' decision to intervene in your primary primacy bother you. The pundits all still will be watching to try to assess the mood of the heartland, where the swing states are and will be for some time to come. . . .

Posted by: Cream City | August 31, 2006 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Corruption and Incompetence - thy name is Republican.

Feel the Wave. It's coming. And it will crush them.

Posted by: Will in Seattle | August 31, 2006 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Cream City.... Very enlightening. Thanks for posting.

Bill didn't help Lieberman all that much, but then that was a primary. This is the real thing, and it should energize the Dems.

Posted by: Truth Hunter | August 31, 2006 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Doyle is not warm and folksy, like Tommy T. before him (ugh), but Doyle is not unethical . . . like Tommy T. before him. It's just that the massively major media, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and its broadcast and other spinoffs, are so biased against him that they run stories that are the ridicule of the locals who know anything about the facts.

But the facts are that Wisconsin in 2004 was the most purple state in the country -- barely blue and increasingly leaning red. (Do not be fooled by the "progressive state" myth; the Progressives were almost all in Madison, and they were Republican, after all. The state has had Republican governors for most of the last 150 years. And few of the Dem governors have had to deal with such a rabidly Republican legislature as Doyle does.)

As for Hillary, she also plays well in Madison and with many women, but not with most Wisconsin men. However, it is not Hillary who is coming to help Doyle -- it's Bill himself, but a couple of weeks before the election, so watch for that to have major last-minute impact.

Watch also for the gubernatorial race to be very influenced -- as was the state GOP's plan from day one after they lost to Doyle, despite national GOP pleas to wait until 2008 -- by two proposed constiutional amendments here, on same-sex marriage (AND against civil unions, which could lose the amendment in this state) and on the death penalty. Local conservative observers already have gone on record as saying those GOP ploys could boomerang and bring out the libruls.

And libruls may not find Doyle likable, but they find Green horrifying. For example, he is an absolutist on abortion, even in cases of rape and incest. We don't like absolutists in Wisconsin; we like pragmatists who somehow can make this very divided state (always) work.

And we really don't like outsiders who try to influence races here, aka Green's PAC money, and we really, really don't like weasels who won't pay back when they're supposed to do so, i.e., Green. This is going to hurt him. He ought to just say, sorry, I'll give it back, I read the rules differently when I raced to the bank to move the money the day before the deadline.

And I think he read the rules correctly, by the way, and the Elections Board did not -- but again, he will lose this one by being a weasel.

Finally, about another question above about hot Congressional races: Look at the 8th District in Wisconsin, an open seat that has gone to Dems as often as to the GOP.

Posted by: Cream City | August 31, 2006 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't the Republican party look into how much, from where for their candidates?
Green got caught red handed, and his front man, Mark Graul, also was taking gifts from Jack Abramoff.

Wisconsin had Joe Mc Carthy, that was enough.
Mr. Green can retire or start lobbying with Tommy Thompson, his old 'mentor'.

Posted by: goofticket | August 31, 2006 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Drindl, could you please stay on the topic? Save your Bush Bashing to another day.

On the issue of fundraising violations, if moving money from a congressional pac to a governor's pac is illegal, the issue still comes down to KNOWINGLY making mischief.

As another person stated, Look at that William Jefferson guy in Louisana who hid over $100,000 in his freezer and he has been taped by the FBI as taking marked bills while under watch. That is more of KNOWINGLY making mischief.

Voters in Wisconsin are smart enough to understand the difference between a clear violation and some murkiness in transfering money from a federal account to a state account.

Now I ask, if Green had $400,000 leftover from his congress account, I doubt he could have handed it to the state Republican party or to any Republican candidate running for fill his newly opened congress seat. Obeying campaign laws is sadly so confusing, I am amazed that this is becoming the same as giving a job to a person who donated money to your race, (did Doyle do that?) That is more stinky.

Posted by: Republican Voice | August 31, 2006 1:59 PM | Report abuse

'I guess you have no respect for the rule of law and its process'

omigod... LOL ... from a republican. man... incredible. thse people are too precious.

Posted by: Drindl | August 31, 2006 1:43 PM | Report abuse

do you have any polls on the OH races?

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 31, 2006 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Only took about a minute to find this.

substance from many, many newspaper clippings. they are better at this than I. If it walks like a duck.....

I guess you have no respect for the rule of law and its process (convict in the press) or for the right of every district to pick its own representative. come to think of it, why don't you just choose everyone's Representative for them. such arrogance and attitude.

I will certainly return on Nov 8 to gloat and see all you sore losers wondering how all you obviously smarter people could have been so disillusioned. Just like last time. Maybe if you start the recriminations now you might profit from that.

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 31, 2006 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Btw, evil troll, what do you think about the bushes having gotten all their money from helping about Hitler? What you got to say about that, boy?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2006 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Hahaha i agree, get rid of Hastings. Get rid of anyone in congress who's been convicted, impeached or indicted. I' all for it.

'Reid's entire dirty world' Nice unsubstantiated Rushism, there, buddy-boy.

I bet you crawl back into your hole and don't com back after November 8.

Posted by: Drindl | August 31, 2006 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Why don't the Dems throw out that crook from LA? I don't see story after story about it like I did with the repubs. and the Rs are all gone now. Pelosi, Reid (Abramoff's pal) seem to have dropped that culture of corruption theme since it hits so hard right in their own yard. Look into Pelosi's 2nd PAC? How about Reid's entire dirty world. and then there's

"Before he won his Florida seat in 1992, Mr. Hastings had been a federal judge who was impeached and convicted by a Democratic Congress for lying to beat a bribery rap." -From todays WSJ.

you fools deserve the minority and will be ever more so over time.

Posted by: kingofzouk | August 31, 2006 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Andy R, your girlfriend sounds like she'd be a lot of fun at a party...

I left out last graf of above story, sorry...

'Having gone through the books of the bank, further seizures were made against two affiliates, the Holland-American Trading Corporation (Vesting Order No. 261) and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation (Vesting Order No. 259). By November, the Silesian-American Corporation, another of Prescott Bush's ventures, had also been seized. [1] The company allegedly profited from slave labor at Auschwitz via a partnership with IG Farben, Hitler's third major industrial patron and partner in the infrastructure of the Third Reich. [2] The Auschwitz slave labor camp did not exist until after the nationalization of the Bush-Harriman assets."

Google Vesting Order 248 if you don't believe it...

Posted by: drindl | August 31, 2006 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Rmill.
I wonder if WI-8 will move on folks lists now that this has come out against Green?

Also quote from my girlfriend about George Allen. "I am really afraid of people that knows more racial slurs then I do."

Posted by: Andy R | August 31, 2006 12:56 PM | Report abuse

It just sort of ironic, you know, George Bush talking about 'appeasing the Nazis, because his family did a lot more than that for them:

The Union Banking Corporation (UBC) was a banking corporation in the US which was seized, under the Trading with the Enemy Act, during World War II in October 1942. The corporation, of which Prescott Bush, served as Director, and Vice President, was primarily controlled by the Harriman family and was alleged to be a Nazi organization.

Adolf Hitler's financiers, the CLN family, formed UBC to manage investments in America. The US congressional report described Union Bank as an "interlocking trust" with the German Steel Trust. UBC was also involved in raising funds for Germany and illegally transferring aviation fuel technology to the Luftwaffe.
The company was established in August 1924 with George Herbert Walker as president. His son-in-law Prescott Bush, the grandfather of current US President George W. Bush, was on the board of directors from 1934 to 1943 with E. Roland Harriman, H. J. Kouwenhoven, Johann G. Groeninger, Harold D. Pennington, Cornelis Lievense, Ray Morris, and E. S. James.

Prescott Bush and Roland Harriman, both also served as Vice Presidents at investment firm W.A. Harriman & Co, both along with another employee, Knight Woolley, ex-Yale-class-of-1917 from Yale and members of the same exclusive Skull and Bones fraternity. George Walker was employed by Roland's brother W. Averell Harriman to run the business, which had been given him by railroad baron father E.H. Harriman.

A July 31, 1941 New York Herald Tribune front page article about the bank was headlined "Thyssen Has $3,000,000 Cash in New York Vaults"; (Fritz Thyssen was a German steel magnate and one of Hitler's most important Financial backers). This prompted the congressional investigation in which UBC was taken over by the U.S. government under the Trading with the Enemy Act in the fall of 1942.

--just thought you'd like to know.

Posted by: Drindl | August 31, 2006 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'd love to have an answer for any of the world's problems, but apparently I'm 'morally or intellectually confused'.

Posted by: Will | August 31, 2006 12:49 PM | Report abuse

The investors and bankers are frightened right now. If the Republican's loose, they can see an end to the gravy train they have ridden throughout the Bush Presidency. So these swine will do ANYTHING, circumvent any law, cheat, lie, steal, committ felonies, you name it, to buy the upcoming elections. The RNC has around 3 times the money the DNC has. That is now. The gap is growing and in excess of 80% of RNC money comes from investors and the banking industry. Up the ante. Promise to bankrupt these SOB's by raising taxes and enacting criminal punishment of them for their harm to this country. They are behind outsourcing, behind the bankruptcy law, behind the high energy costs, behind the immiration mess and the insane "solution" proposed by Bush, behind virtually every slimy politician and lobbiest in Washington.

Posted by: MikeB | August 31, 2006 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Jackson's right you know, chris.

Things are getting wooly out there folks... this is Salt Lake City:

A crowd of thousands cheered Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson for calling President Bush a "dishonest, war-mongering, human-rights violating president" whose time in office would "rank as the worst presidency our nation has ever had to endure."
The group - including children and elderly and some hailing from throughout Utah - then marched to the federal building Wednesday to deliver a copy of a symbolic indictment against the president and Congress for abuse of power and failure to uphold the U.S. Constitution.

Posted by: drindl | August 31, 2006 12:39 PM | Report abuse


Is someone threatening to beat you up or something if you ever so much as mention the Virgina Senate race? I mean, this is the news. A big race doing amazing, unpredicted things right here in the Post's backyard. Yet day after day following the swap in the polls, you're still writing about stuff as dry as the Wisconsin gubernatorial race? Why are you still ignoring the most important news in the Senate battle for months?

Posted by: Jackson Landers | August 31, 2006 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin Congressional Races
Primary September 12

US Senate
Kohl (D)* $1.955 M
Survey USA August Approval
56% down from 57% in July; same as Feb

August 10
Kohl (D)* 59%
Lorge (R) 31% $2 K on hand

Zogby /WSJ
August Battleground Poll
Kohl (D)* 50.7%
Lorge (R) 32.9%

US House
Current make up
4 D, 4 R

Cong. Paul Ryan (R)* $1.087 M

Dem Primary

Hall $3 K
Hebert n/a
Herr $ 6 K
Cruz-Bradley n/a
Thomas $20 K

Rep retains seat

Cong. Tammy Baldwin (D)* $1.26 M

David Magnum (R) $253 K
Considered safe seat
Dems retain seat

Cong. Ron Kind (D)* $626K
De Nure $0
Token primary opposition

Paul Nelson (R) $100 K

Dem retains seat


Cong. Gwen Moore (D)* $394 K

Perfecto Rivera (R) n/a
Dem retains seat

Cong. Jim Sensenbrenner (R)* $622K

Bryan Kennedy (D) $203 K

Two independent candidates
Levis (G) n/a
Raymond (I) n/a

Considered safe seat
Rep retains seat

Cong. Tom Petri (R)*
No opposition
Rep retains seat

Cong. David Obey (D)* $885K

Rep Primary
Reid $119 K
Tyberg $300.00

Miles (G) n/a
Considered safe seat
Dems retain seat

OPEN (Cong. Green (R) running for Governor)

Dem Primary
Kagen $1.618 M; $772 K on hand
Nusbaum $1.051 M; $340 K on hand
Wall $609 K; $417 K on hand

Rep Primary
Gard $1.793 M; $882 K on hand
McCormick $129 K; $3 K on hand

CQ Politics: Leans Rep
Cook Political Report: Leans Rep R+4
Rothenberg Report: Leans Rep
Sabato: Leans Rep (Top 40 most competitive House races)

Kagen is locked in an expensive and competitive primary, giving Gard an advantage in light of the non-competitive nature of the GOP primary. Kagen has lost his cash advantage enjoyed earlier in the year.

Posted by: RMill | August 31, 2006 12:07 PM | Report abuse

to the guy from Henly Texas.

Perry would be in a massive amount of trouble at 35% if he had 1 opponent. With Strayhorn, Bell and Freidman in the race, Perry is pretty safe.

Posted by: Rob Millette | August 31, 2006 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Other WI polls:

August 24
Doyle (D)* 49%
Green (R) 41%

August Battleground Poll
Doyle (D)* 49.7%
Green (R) 43.1%

CC: When are you going to give in on including the most recent polling data, regardless of source or at least cite the nature of the poll methods (much like your inclusion of Strategic Vision with the caveat of being a republican firm).


Doyle (D)* $5.18 M
Green (R) $3.17M

If the ruling of the Wisconsin Elections Board stands, having to return nearly a half million dollars will devastate Green's campaign.

If it comes down to a decision by the republican dominated Wisconsin state legislature, Green will likely keep the funds as the Wisconsin House is led by a GOP 60-39 margin and the Wisconsin Senate by a 19-14 margin.

Regarding ethics charges against Doyle-

[The Doyle administration's ethics problems, though, almost certainly will deprive the incumbent the luxury of an easy race. His administration has become the target of federal, state and local investigations into "pay-to-play" allegations surrounding a state travel contract and approval for the sale of a nuclear power plant in Kiewani, near Green Bay.

Mike McCabe, director of the watchdog Wisconsin Democracy Campaign, said investigators were looking into a suspicious pattern of campaign contributions from utilities in a position to profit from the sale of the plant.

Five top state legislators, including Wisconsin's former Senate and Assembly majority leaders, were convicted in a corruption investigation that began in 2001, while members of Doyle's administration have faced allegations in the corruption probes.

"Jim Doyle didn't invent these practices but he's perpetuating these practices and he now is getting caught up in an environment where there's just a whole lot more scrutiny . . . because we're seeing lawmakers go to jail," McCabe said.

The scandals have shaken Wisconsin's reputation as a "clean government" state, and both Walker and Green hope they can capitalize on these issues to appeal to voters' sense of propriety.]

Excerpt from CQ politics:

Posted by: RMill | August 31, 2006 11:40 AM | Report abuse

fyi --for keith olberman fans -- he gave a truly amazing speech last night, courageous and incredibly articulate and true...

Posted by: drindl | August 31, 2006 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The only heavily contested congressional race in WI is in WI-8 for the vacant seat Mark Green is leaving behind. There is still a primary but it looks like the race will be Gard (R) v. Kagen (D) and a Kagen internal poll has him leading by 10 percentage points. Partisan polls should be taken lightly (ahem, Strategic Vision), but the fact that Gard hasn't released numbers indicates that his numbers probably also show Kagen leading. There is no serious Republican opposition to incumbent senator Herb Kohl (D), and a ballot question on a civil unions and gay marriage ban is turning out to actually favor liberals rather than conservatives. In short: Green is on his own, there are no coattails for him to ride, and he's going down.

Posted by: Dairystater | August 31, 2006 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Green says he will ignore the board's order, which means the Elections Board will take him to court, probably in 10 days.

That should keep Green's dirty money in the news right up until November, no matter who "wins" the court case.

This is a no-win for Green. He should shut up and pay up.

Some commentary on my blog, The Xoff Files:

Posted by: xoff | August 31, 2006 11:16 AM | Report abuse

If tyhis "self tattling" phenomenon grows, all our future Republican political TV and radio ads will be like these pharmacuetical ads, with a disclaimer at the end that says something to the effect "Our candidate has been arrested for DUI, wife-beating, attempted bribery and illegal possession of synthetic morphine, and has suffered an election lasting more than 4 hours..."


Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2006 11:13 AM | Report abuse

OT, but that's what I do... this is the most fascinating and scary article in the WaPo today,, by former Navy Secretary during the Reagan administration--Jim Lehman. A Republican and member of the 9/11 commission. Wow, are we in trouble..

'This brings us to the third front, the strategic-political. The jihadist regime in Iran feels no reservation about flaunting its policy to go nuclear, and it unleashed Hezbollah, its client terrorist organization, to attack Israel. In Somalia a jihadist group has seized control of the government. In Pakistan, Islamists are becoming more powerful, and attacks within India are increasing. Governments in Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, Algeria and Jordan are under increasing Islamist pressure. In the Pacific, North Korea now feels free to rattle its missile sabers, firing seven on America's Independence Day. China is rapidly building its 600-ship navy to fill the military vacuum that we are creating in the Pacific as our fleet shrinks well below critical mass. Not one of these states believes that we can undertake any credible additional military operations while we are bogged down in Iraq.

The indoctrination and recruiting of jihadists from Indonesia, South Asia and the Middle East are carried out through religious establishments that are supported overwhelmingly by the Saudi and Iranian governments. Even in the United States, some 80 percent of Islamic mosques and schools are closely aligned with the Wahhabist sect and heavily dependent on Saudi funding. Five years after Sept. 11, nothing has been done to materially affect this root source of jihadism. The movement continues to grow, fueled by an ever-increasing flow of petrodollars from the Persian Gulf.'

Posted by: Drindl | August 31, 2006 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"Or will the Board's ruling be overturned, making this nothing more than a temporary distraction for both sides?"

Chris, c'mon, you know how this game worlks. Even if it is overturned, the "dirty money" will still be an issue, and whether they win or lose this little piece of the game, it surely takes away the Wisconsin Republicans' claim to shame.

What other little secrets has Green got hidden away? Maybe he would be smart to "tell on himself" now, like the Washington State Republican candidate running against Cantwell.

This is a refreshing twist in politics; airing a dirty laundry list to pre-empt the political attack dogs in the adversaries' camp.

Of course we know, when they tell on themselves, there's always a whole lot more that goes unsaid...


Posted by: Anonymous | August 31, 2006 11:02 AM | Report abuse

By the way if Green goes down like this how will this effect down ticket races? The democratic base is energized and ready to roll. If the republicans in Wisconsin aren't enamered by Green it could have serious effects on some of the toss up congressional races.
Anybody know the competitive House races in WI?

Posted by: Andy R | August 31, 2006 11:01 AM | Report abuse

One further thought on Doyle.... some describe him as "Republican lite." He evidently doesn't connect with his Democratic base. And in a Hillary-loving Democratic state like Wisconsin, that alone could spell his doom.... unless Hillary steps up to the plate for him. It'll be interesting.

Posted by: Truth Hunter | August 31, 2006 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Really fair article in the WaPo today about the McCaskill-Talent race in Missouri. By George Will, matter of fact, who is starting to sound almost reasonable to me. I guess because everyone else on the right is so uniformly loony, he looks good in comparison.

Posted by: Drindl | August 31, 2006 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I agree that throwing out an unehtical politician is number one on my priority lists, but replacing them with someone just as bad doesn't help.
Looks to me that Green shot himself in the foot here. He is now on the defensive and with the money advantage that Doyle has expect Green to stay on the defensive. Taken with Doyle's lead in the polls Green might be done.

Posted by: Andy R | August 31, 2006 10:58 AM | Report abuse

If Doyle is "one of the most endangered governors" at 48%, what does that make Rick Perry of Texas who the WSJ poll has at 35%?

Posted by: Henly, Texas | August 31, 2006 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Much of the furor is over the AG, a democrat, who was convicted of DUI and a aid who did allow a contributer to the Doyle campaign fund to have visits with her about contracts. She was in previous republican administrations, Thompson and McCallum, and has resigned. While Doyle is not the most popular governor, his ethical behavior is no worse than King Tommy Thompson and somewhat better than McCallum's. Both parties have leaders convicted of offenses and there should be more convictions of them. What used to be a fairly clean state has succumbed to what is common in any government---"What's in it for me?" Doyle will be re-elected. He has the support of the teachers union and the help of a corrupt Bush administration backlash.

Posted by: Bill | August 31, 2006 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I hasten to add, that if Doyle is guilty of ethics violations, I definitely support throwing him out. Him and any other crooked Dems. Let's clean house!

I hope we have a movement in that direction -- call it Operation Clean Sweep. In November, let's hope the voters sweep out the dirt from the people's house.

Posted by: Drindl | August 31, 2006 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I suggest those interested look at the Strategic Vision survey as referenced by Chris.

What is enlightening is that for the most part, the voters are overwhelmingly down on Bush, supportive of Feingold but not Doyle.

Looks like Doyle has failed to perform and that, regardless of Green campaign finance negatives, will earn him a loss in the "throw the bums out" mood of the electorate.

Posted by: Truth Hunter | August 31, 2006 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Rasmussen (8/20)

Jim Doyle (D) 49%
Mark Green (R) 41%

Reseach 2000 (8/16)

Jim Doyle (D) 48%
Mark Green (R) 38%

Posted by: Gaithersburg, MD | August 31, 2006 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Chris -- you make it impossible to ascertain whether there is any basis for the 'ethics' charges against Doyle. Is there? Does anyone know? And I'm talking about FACTS, not some absurd innuendo by Rush Limbaugh or Faux News.

Since Green however, has clearly broken the law, I don't see how he's any better. In fact, he's clearly a hypocrite--but what else is new.

And please, a republican with an anti-corruption message? Because in the Age of Abramoff, that's like an enormous joke--you must be kidding.

Posted by: Drindl | August 31, 2006 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: JNutting | August 31, 2006 10:27 AM | Report abuse

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