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Fix Political Hall of Fame: The Case for Rudy Giuliani



Does former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani deserve a spot in the Fix Political Hall of Fame? Photo by Bonnie Jo Mount of the Washington Post

With the Yankees back in the World Series and a new New York magazine profile of Hizzoner getting lots of attention, now seems like the right time to debate whether former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) deserves a spot in the Fix Political Hall of Fame.

Giuliani is one of three mayors under consideration. We've made the case for and against the late Richard M. Daley's inclusion in the Hall and we will do the same for former New York City Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia soon.

But, this week it's all Rudy, all the time. Today we make the case for Rudy to make the Hall; tomorrow we argue against it.

From Ungovernable to Model Metropolis

It's easy to forget in hindsight but the New York City that Giuliani took over in 1994 was a far different place than he left it in 2001.

Republican strategist David Garth famously referred to serving as the mayor of the Big Apple as the "second toughest job in America" (a line Mayor Michael Bloomberg has borrowed in his bid for a third term next week) and in the early 1990s the job was living up to that billing as crime -- and the lingering echoes of the Crown Heights riots -- made the city feel like it was teetering on the brink of chaos and the city shed more than 300,000 jobs in a three-year period under then Mayor David Dinkins (D).

Giuliani, who ran on his tough-on-crime record as a former U.S. Attorney, immediately instituted a series of policies -- most notably a severe curtailing on strip joints and sex shops with a particular focus on Times Square and his crackdown on squeegee men -- that were aimed at improving morale among the city's residents and its reputation among non New Yorkers.

It worked. Starting in 1995 with Disney's decision to move its productions into a 42nd Street theater, Giuliani's unapologetically intolerant approach to the sex business led to a revival of that area which, as anyone who has been to New York City lately knows, now is a gigantic tourist trap/economic moneymaker.

While some of the city's improvements during Giuliani's eight years in office are rightly attributed to the booming economy under then President Bill Clinton, it's also impossible to ignore the active role Hizzoner played in the city's transformation.

Leadership in Terror

While the bulk of the accomplishments of his time as Mayor were focused on the sort of quality of life issues mentioned above, it was the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 that came to define what Giuliani meant to New York.

In the immediate aftermath of the attacks, Giuliani was a constant presence on local and national television -- reassuring viewers that while New York City had been knocked down it would get up. He soon became known as "America's Mayor", the face not just of a resilient city but of a nation that would not bow before terrorists.

Giuliani, who was term limited out of office just a few months after the attacks, became a coveted speaker on the Republican fundraising circuit and was given a prominent speaking role at the party's 2004 national convention, which was held, for symbolic reasons, in Hizzoner's hometown.

In that speech, Giuliani sounded the defiant tone that Americans (or at least a segment of the country) had grown to love. "It was here in 2001 in the same lower Manhattan that President George W. Bush stood amid the fallen towers of the World Trade Center, and he said to the barbaric terrorists who attacked us, 'They will hear from us,' said Giuliani. "Well -- Well they heard from us."

Giuliani's reputation as a calm-under-fire leader was the foundation of his bid for the 2008 presidential nomination and, it is a testament to the power of Sept. 11 on America's psyche that a pro-choice and pro-gay rights Republican was taken as seriously as Giuliani was during the primary fight.

A Sense of Pride

As New York City began its recovery, Giuliani emerged as a feisty and high profile defender of the city's renaissance.

Giuliani was New York City anthropomorphized -- the gritty underdog who refused to ignore the slings and arrows shot at it from the rest of the country.

In one famous episode, Hizzoner extracted an apology from then House Speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga.) who had condemned the city's "culture of waste." Said Giuliani: "The statements that he made are incorrect, inaccurate and stereotype New York in a very unfair way."

Time and again, Giuliani used his rising national profile to change the perception of New York City from crime-ridden hell hole into the most interesting, active and underappreciated city in the world.

"Economists call it confidence. I call it attitude," William McDonough, the then president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York told the New York Daily News in 1998. "New York has attitude again -- we feel this is the place, the best city in the world."

That attitude adjustment would not have been possible without Giuliani.

Tomorrow: The Case Against Rudy

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 28, 2009; 12:30 PM ET
Categories:  Hall of Fame  
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Comments

enough3,

You said it all. I think Giuliani is actually clinically insane. I could not believe it when he called a press conference at Gracie Mansion to announce to the world that he was divorcing his wife... before he told the wife and kids.

Who in his right mind would do something so crassly gratuitous? Giuliani is about Giuliani's ego. Nothing else. The man is a pathological egomaniac.

Posted by: Gatsby10 | October 29, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Rusy 9/11 Giuliani? Please, spare us New Yorkers. We had to put up with that egomaniac for eight years!

Posted by: Gatsby10 | October 29, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

'Member when Rudy got a cell phone call from his wife in the middle of a speech .. and he interrupted the speech to take the call?

Managed to get in a few I-Love-Yous before the audience, social conservatives who ate up his uxorious display.

What a \/\/|/\/\þ

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

In 1945, David Lawrence was elected mayor of Pittsburgh by a narrow margin. At the time, Pittsburgh was considered one of the most polluted cities in America with smog so thick that it was not unusual for streetlights to burn during the daytime. Lawrence developed a seven-point program for Pittsburgh during his first days in office, making him one of the first civic leaders to implement a dedicated urban renewal plan. Republicans still controlled much of city politics and business at the time, so Lawrence had to forge bipartisan alliances to accomplish his objectives. His most famous partnership was with Richard K. Mellon, chairman of one of the largest banks in America and a staunch Republican. Despite their political differences, Mellon and Lawrence were both interested in the revival of Pittsburgh and both were early environmentalists. This partnership drove what came to be called the “Renaissance” (later Renaissance I) of Pittsburgh.

David Lawrence left Pittsburgh clean and strong after four terms and went on to become Gov. of PA, the only mayor of P'burgh ever to do so. He was instrumental in the nominations of Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1932 and John F. Kennedy in 1960, and became known as the “maker of presidents”. In the weeks leading up to the 1948 Democratic National Convention, Lawrence was one of the few urban bosses to support Harry S. Truman's attempts to win the Presidential nomination. Lawrence is sometimes credited with convincing Kennedy to choose Lyndon Johnson as his running mate to balance the ticket and mend a rift between northern and southern Democrats.
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CC - read more about him - he WAS the best Mayor of the twentieth century, he served as long as he wanted to and he was a big national player for a long time. And he was not a crook. History, history, history!

Posted by: mark_in_austin | October 28, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

we all keep wondering that about you.

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I think most of us consider the matter settled

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

'CC - at this point I imagine you feel like Shatner at a Star Trek convention. surrounded by your peeps, who provide your livliehood, but disgusted and afraid of the idiocy that lives there. He famously yelled at them to get a life.

I wonder if the losers on this site ever will?'

we all keep wondering that about you.

Posted by: drindl | October 28, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Texas Proud 1 must be one of the millions who live elsewhere and read about Rudy in the ignorant press. As mentioned in my earlier post (1:23pm), I voted for him twice and greatly regretted it the second time. Subsequent posts (especially 2:39) reminded me of things I neglected to mention that showed the opposite of "leadership."
Rudy engaged in many lawsuits by the city which he fought (and subsequently lost for large $ amounts paid by taxpayers) for his own ideological and political purposes, although he initially had been advised by NYC legal counsel that he would end up losing and having to pay. He cost the city hundreds of millions of dollars. He never avoided any fights when he saw an opportunity to pick a fight - only fools behave like that, not leaders. So Mr. Texas please go back to reading your fairy tale stories about Rudy because he is no leader, no man of wisdom, and yet he is a self centered egotistical son of the mob (source: NY Magazine.)

Many of the achievements of RG were actually started under Mayor Dinkins, who I did not vote to re-elect, like Compstat, the Bratton crime plotting software program that came to fruition under Rudy and for which he still gets the unmerited credit.

Posted by: enough3 | October 28, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

David Dinkins was a disgrace of a mayor. Rudy, for all of his shortcomings, is a leader. I'm sure some of the redundant liberal talking heads (Gold, drindl) will go on and on about his presidential campaign, but they gloss over the fact that New York City in 1993 was the equivalent of what the state of California is today with a significantly worse crime problem. Rudy, regardless of your political affiliation, transformed the city's confidence and reputation to the point that a city with 4 times as many democrats as republicans re-elected the man, so he must have been doing something correctly. Being a leader is not voting 'Present' when a challenge is put in front of you.

Posted by: TexasProud1 | October 28, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

People, here is an example of why we can not take literacy for granted.

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And in Việt Nam even the villagers whose roofs are corrugated iron can read and write their own language.

I think LB is home-schooled.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

People, here is an example of why we can not take literacy for granted. See, (cue music) always look on the bright side of life

Lets not let literacy decline in this country. Education funding can not be the place where the coming austerity measures land. If you don't think illiteracy and ignorance ride together with political extremism, look at the developing world, at history, at this misbegotten LiberalBasher.

After all, religious extremists hate secular education, why it leads to people thinking carefully and critically about their beliefs in the context of the wishes and fears of others.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 28, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Rudy Giuliani does not deserve to be in any Hall of Fame. He was a terrible mayor.

Posted by: fable104 | October 28, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

CC - at this point I imagine you feel like Shatner at a Star Trek convention. surrounded by your peeps, who provide your livliehood, but disgusted and afraid of the idiocy that lives there. He famously yelled at them to get a life.

I wonder if the losers on this site ever will?

Each day the outskirts and depth of ignorance is expanded by your base. It must be tedious to read the same tripe minute after minute by the same brain dead leftist morons with limited or zero ability to cognitively interact in their world.

but he hardly ever posts here anymore!

Posted by: snowbama | October 28, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Is he actually trying to argue that "lying" is a misspelling of "lieing" based on an inability to comprehend the simple syntax of -- wait for it -- Urban Dictionary?

That's the funniest thing I've read all week.

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It'd be unreservedly funny if we could be assured that he was denied any right to vote, drink alcohol, own land, or drive a car.

But chances are as soon as he's old enough he'll be allowed to do all four.

We need to take back this country.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

i went out at 1:30 and the avenues were mournful parades as far as eye could see; families with children and babies in carriages breathing poisons. these toxic plumes continued for over a month. i was personally made deathly ill following 911 from the air, which gave me and, according to a column later by jimmy breslin, himself and 140,000 other new yorkers, of an intestinal nature. i lost 18 pounds and took months to recover. according to breslin, he could find no major reportage of this anywhere!

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The late great Steve Gilliard lived in sight of The Two Towers and said that there was a "barbecue grill" smell afterward, attributable to all the roasted flesh.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Is he actually trying to argue that "lying" is a misspelling of "lieing" based on an inability to comprehend the simple syntax of -- wait for it -- Urban Dictionary?

That's the funniest thing I've read all week.

Posted by: nodebris | October 28, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

ye gads... adolph ghouliani again, ugh. as a longtime NYC resident, he was the worst, most evil and despicable mayor of my past 30+ years.

under his reign of terror, the homeless were literally bulldozed out of the turfs of the rich and many were mercilessly beaten, likely plenty of deaths, too. rudy attacked worker's rights of the most vulnerable with a vengeance, like taxicab drivers.

under rudy, while he was posed as having drastically reduced crime, it was shown that he had forced the redacting and alteration of reports citywide that made it look a lot different than it really was. meanwhile, over 800 new yorkers, virtually all black or hispanic, died in suspicious circumstances in the hands of police or detention centers. most famously, that gestapo of his who became famous for their mottoe, 'we own the night' who killed scores, including 'the 41 shots heard 'round the world' that murdered amadou diallo whose sole 'crime' was walking out of his building in the bronx... needless to say, an upstate jury acquitted all four police of all charges. 3 went back on the NYPD with backpay. one went to kill more innocents in iraq...

as for 911, what did he do? he posed and patted himself on the back as a self-aggrandizing politician who had actually done nothing at all. period. among the many extremely suspicious matters regarding 911... at 10:15 that morning the NYC EPA had determined that the air was toxic and would kill many people, that people should be warned to stay indoors and use anything available to shield themselves from breathing the toxic plume spreading citywide. at 11:30, the federal EPA announced "the air is safe." rudy g did nothing about that.

i went out at 1:30 and the avenues were mournful parades as far as eye could see; families with children and babies in carriages breathing poisons. these toxic plumes continued for over a month. i was personally made deathly ill following 911 from the air, which gave me and, according to a column later by jimmy breslin, himself and 140,000 other new yorkers, of an intestinal nature. i lost 18 pounds and took months to recover. according to breslin, he could find no major reportage of this anywhere!

Posted by: tazdelaney | October 28, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

LB:

You weren't born in the U.S., were you?

Please tell me that you weren't....

Posted by: Bondosan | October 28, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

you worry about spelling and let the ADULTS worry about this nation being sold down the tubes by President obama and his fk wads in congress.

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Well if you can't even handle simple problems like "your" versus "you're" why should anyone have any confidence in your ability to manage more complex problems?

Riddle me this: which President got a Daily Briefing warning explicitly of a plot to fly airliners into buildings and decided to ignore it?

Hint: 43
Hint: after Clinton
Hint: before Obama

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

LiberalBasher? Hey, looks like Rush has a new sock puppet.

Posted by: nodebris | October 28, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

For goldie. The lost liberal.

here child, I know you can't look things up for yourself.

1. lieing
get this def on a mug
Usual misspelling of "lying."
Guy1: Oh my god you are lieing.
Guy2: Retard, it's spelled "lying."

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lieing

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Please note lost liberal. Usual mispelling of the word is. Ack, what you say it should be.

Got to love liberals.

Posted by: LiberalBasher | October 28, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

how cute. cf8 found a friend at his level. finally a friend.

Posted by: snowbama | October 28, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey, LB:

It's "you're," as in a contraction of "you are."

You'll be volunteering for President Obama's reelection campaign in 2012, I take it?

Posted by: Bondosan | October 28, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse
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Hey Bondosan

Stey on topic child.

We are talking WHICH adminstation let the terrorists into the country. AND how much the war's have actualy cost.

WHICH, you liberals were incorrect/WRONG on both counts in youre response.

I am very happy to be incorrect in my spelling. Because I am RIGHT in both other instances.

you worry about spelling and let the ADULTS worry about this nation being sold down the tubes by President obama and his fk wads in congress.

Posted by: LiberalBasher | October 28, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

can't make this stuff up ....

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

the word is "lying," child.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

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Better check your spelling Gold.

Your wrong.

Posted by: LiberalBasher | October 28, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Winner of the most unintentionally humorous post of the day.

Posted by: mnteng | October 28, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Shrink2:
Don't you know the basics?
All evil is attributable to our opponents, and good to our fellow travelers? And then there are just objective facts for us honest, fact based independents.
Imagine how native Americans (Indians for you conservatives) feel about all the immigrants and their violence, vices and filth!

Posted by: enough3 | October 28, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey, LB:

It's "you're," as in a contraction of "you are."

You'll be volunteering for President Obama's reelection campaign in 2012, I take it?

Posted by: Bondosan | October 28, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, back at the discussion of Rudy Guiliani...

After some consideration, I think Giuliani may be less deserving of this nomination than someone like Curley. If 9/11 hadn't happened, he'd have ridden off into the sunset a moderately successful big city mayor in a long line of moderately successful big city majors.

(i.e., a big city mayor whose career ended because he was voted out of office or convicted of a felony, or both.)

Being the mayor during a major terrorist attack was an accident of fate that will make him a historic name, but other that that I don't see where he was any more remarkable than most.

Posted by: Gallenod | October 28, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

come on guys you'll get the poor dumb brute all confused

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

enough3, well didn't some liberal let Randy Weaver into the country? What about the Aryan Nation, or America's signature terrorist organization, our own Klu Klux Klan?

Posted by: shrink2 | October 28, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

hey goldie.

One who can't spell.

Would you like a listing from the 9/11 report as to when the terrorists entered this nation/

To bad your doing your Obama impression. And changing the subject when your arguments have been proven to be wrong.

Posted by: LiberalBasher | October 28, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

CC - this is some highly informative blog your moonbat base is conducting.

wonder why all intelligent posters have fled? We don't.

Posted by: snowbama | October 28, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

the word is "lying," child.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

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Better check your spelling Gold.

Your wrong.

Posted by: LiberalBasher | October 28, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

For those whose diaries consist of only insults, let us be clear. The Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh was born and raised here, like Bernadine Dohrn, as was the Atlanta Olympics bomber, and Dr. Tiller's killer, and the unknown Wall Street bomber in the 1920s. The Secret Service and FBI are overloaded now by hundreds of credible threats and leads on domestic terror. Which side of the political spectrum do almost all these come from? Yep, mostly the right wing side.
Just love those so-called "patriot" terrorists the G-O-Pee cultivates so avidly.

Posted by: enough3 | October 28, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

FACT CHECK - The only "late" Richard Daley is Richard J. Daley. Richard M. Daley is the current mayor of Chicago and is not deceased.

Posted by: jbentley4 | October 28, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

the word is "lying," child.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

CF8 in another flame war. what a flamer.

Posted by: snowbama | October 28, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh. Watch it, he's gonna blow!

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I'm picturing a guy like in "28 Weeks Later" after the Rage got loose again, only sitting at a keyboard.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Again, your nothing but a stupid fkn liberal.

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Hint, child, when you're trying to call someone else "stupid" it's not a good time to confuse "your" and "you're." For the educated this is tritely ironic.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

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To bad you can't come up with facts for your rebutal to my original post.

fk off and die STUPID fkn liberal

Posted by: LiberalBasher | October 28, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

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Liberals forgetting history again. That or lieing.

I'll go with lieing. Lie enough liberal, and you think it becomes fact?

The terrorists entered this nation during President Clintons administration.

keep lieing liberal, keep lieing.

Posted by: LiberalBasher | October 28, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

fk off and die STUPID fkn liberal

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Comparing the two of us it would be remarkably difficult to make the case that I'm the stupid one. You can't even spell.

Go sell your trailer and send the money to Palin. Trust in the marketplace to survive.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, if another liberal president didn't let the terrorist's into this nation. We wouldn't be in Afganistan, now would we idiot.

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I had plenty of things to call GWB but "liberal" was never one of them

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

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Awww, again liberals forgeting their history.

Remember num nuts. The terrorists were in this country during President Clintons administration.

But again. Liberals forgetting their history.

That, or just lieing. I beleive it is the second, your a liar.

Posted by: LiberalBasher | October 28, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

fk off and die STUPID fkn liberal

Uh oh. Watch it, he's gonna blow!

Posted by: shrink2 | October 28, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Again, your nothing but a stupid fkn liberal.

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Hint, child, when you're trying to call someone else "stupid" it's not a good time to confuse "your" and "you're." For the educated this is tritely ironic.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

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To bad you can't come up with facts for your rebutal to my original post.

fk off and die STUPID fkn liberal

Posted by: LiberalBasher | October 28, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Again, your nothing but a stupid fkn liberal.

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Hint, child, when you're trying to call someone else "stupid" it's not a good time to confuse "your" and "you're." For the educated this is tritely ironic.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Well, if another liberal president didn't let the terrorist's into this nation. We wouldn't be in Afganistan, now would we idiot.

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I had plenty of things to call GWB but "liberal" was never one of them

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The race is over because President Obama and the fk crew of congress sold the nation to China.

All elections have been cancelled, and socialist/Communist rule is now the norm.

thank you liberals.

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Was it Obama borrowed trillions to finance wars we didn't need to fight?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

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Well, if another liberal president didn't let the terrorist's into this nation. We wouldn't be in Afganistan, now would we idiot.

And according to a report prepared for congress. The total costs of BOTH wars is:
Based on new DOD estimates, the cumulative total for funds already appropriated since the 9/11
attacks to DOD, State/USAID and VA for medical costs for the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and
enhanced security is $864 billion including:
• $642 billion for Iraq;
• $189 billion for Afghanistan;
• $28 billion for enhanced security; and
• $5 billion unallocated (see Tables 2, 3, and 4).


Again, this is a report prepared for Congress not some news report.

http://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf

Here you go ahole. By the way, this is a very good link for non partisim reports to congress. These reports are not secret, but they do not release them to the general public. Doesn't matter who is the ruling party of congress. Just the way it is.

Again, your nothing but a stupid fkn liberal. So I doubt you would find any use for factual data.

Posted by: LiberalBasher | October 28, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

In full disclosure, this independent voter voted for Rudy as NYC Mayor twice. The first term was good with certain misgivings, and the second term was a true disaster, and I greatly regret having voted for him again. Why? Rudy is a hypocrite, opportunist and serial abuser who has no scruples or principles. His father was a Mafia enforcer (source: NY Magazine), and Rudy doesn't ever like this mentioned, but he still is abusive to anybody or thing that gets in his way, since Rudy's highest principle is advancing Rudy. His own kids know this, and they are hardly ever in touch with him anymore and didn't campaign for him for President.

Rudy is a racist, and there is lots of proof. In his 8 years as Mayor he never met with NYC black leaders, despite repeated requests - not even once! (Bloomberg met with them on day 1 of his term.) Rudy defended the cops who shot an innocent hard working, law abiding black man, Amadou Diallo, 42 times as he exited a building unarmed. Rudy pulled strings and got the trial moved to Albany upstate so that they would be exonerated by an upstate jury - they always backs cops. He also defended the undercover cops who shot a peaceful, hard working family man who was baited and provoked by NYC cops after he avoided their taunts to sell them drugs (which he never was involved with in any way.)

Rudy tried to move his girlfriend, Judith Nathan, into the mayor's mansion while he was still living with his wife. He announced on TV that he was leaving his wife, not bothering to tell his family of his decision first. He was parading his mistress up and down the streets of NYC all the while. And then he moved in with two gay friends as a third room mate while trumpeting Republican values against gays, adulterers, etc. He located the NYC disaster center near where the last attack (1991) had been, along with a huge fuel oil tank, despite the advice of experts against doing so - and the building (WTC 7) burned down in 911, but he wouldn't listen.

Rudy left the next mayor with huge unresolved and expired city workers and union contracts because he refused to negotiate, settle or even knock heads, yet talked about how competent he was as an executive. We who voted for him were so glad to see him leave, as he was a supreme egotist and ruthless in his pursuit of glory. He also associated with many unsavory characters, Bernie Kerik being the prime example - the former NYC police chief who is now in jail again on revoked bail for various felonies he's being tried for - fraud, etc. Rudy learned a lot from his father, no doubt. So the only people who like him in NYC are his Italian base and those who don't care/are willing to overlook the serious flaws of character but do a lot of hating, and, of course, some business people.

Posted by: enough3 | October 28, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Call 911... there was no mention of Painin.

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CC is doubtless stammering excuses at this very moment and assuring management that it won't ever happen again.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"All elections have been cancelled, and socialist/Communist rule is now the norm."

how do people this nuts find their way to the WaPo?

Posted by: drindl | October 28, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Call 911... there was no mention of Painin.

Posted by: whocares666 | October 28, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

The race is over because President Obama and the fk crew of congress sold the nation to China.

All elections have been cancelled, and socialist/Communist rule is now the norm.

thank you liberals.

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Was it Obama borrowed trillions to finance wars we didn't need to fight?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

But, but, but, angriestdog,

CC just made my day posting earlier about how the Republican field for 2012 is already set: Five Sure Losers.

Whew. Glad that is over with. So, what are you worried about? Celebrate! Obama skates through to 2016 and you heard it here first.

Look, if you read that somewhere on some liberal blog, you wouldn't believe it, you would think that is just some liberal dreamer putting up a slate of laughable Republican has-beens.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 28, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

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The race is over because President Obama and the fk crew of congress sold the nation to China.

All elections have been cancelled, and socialist/Communist rule is now the norm.

thank you liberals.

Posted by: LiberalBasher | October 28, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

GIULIANI PRESIDED OVER VIGILANTE RULE OF THE STREETS OF NYC

Under Giuliani, Bush-Cheney program community stalkers took over the streets of New York City, and cities and towns nationwide -- a Grassroots Gestapo that still violates civil and human rights under a naive Obama administration.

FED SECRETIVE SECURITY AGENCIES FUND, OVERSEE NATIONWIDE VIGILANTE 'GESTAPO" -- EXTRAJUDICIAL BYPASS OF THE RULE OF LAW

• Civilian volunteers fronted by federally-funded organizations such as Citizen Corps, Infragard, C.O.P.S. and USA on Watch stalk, harass, vandalize, terrorize unjustly "targeted" persons and families with covertly implanted GPS tracking devices -- an unconstitutional extrajudicial targeting and punishment "matrix."

• Physical impairment, disabling injury from silent microwave/laser radiation "directed energy weapons" widely deployed via electromagnetic spectrum (reportedly disguised as cell towers) and to local law enforcement under various federal programs.

• Feds, locals refuse to investigate victim complaints in nationwide cover-up of alleged atrocities, enabled by co-opted and complicit local police -- an American slow genocide-politicide.

• Array of "programs of personal financial destruction" slowly destroy livelihoods and family finances -- a slow, methodical genocide that targets those labeled as "dissidents," or "social deviates," whistle-blowers, ethnic and religious minorities.

WHEN WILL CONGRESS AND THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WAKE UP AND SMELL THE POLICE STATE THAT SUBVERTS THE RULE OF LAW?

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR (if link is corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 28, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

You must be kidding. This guy had some moments as mayor but in the main was nearing the end of his second term with a city thankful that his era of divisiveness and personal attacks was coming to an end. The prevailing attitude was thank God he is leaving ... not oh what a shame he can't serve another term. I agree with some earlier comments about David Dinkins (under whose leadership the momentum for needed changes in NYC began) historians will look back and give DD much more credit then he currently receives .... I will give RG credit for his calming influence in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks. Had he taken a higher road upon leaving office instead of parlaying his role into personal wealth, glitz, glamor and fame his reputation might have benefited. America's Mayor my hind end.

Posted by: army164 | October 28, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"Hizzoner" is Michael Bloomberg.

You have always had such a man-crush on Giuliani. For the life of me I don't know why.

Posted by: swallen1 | October 28, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Rudy Giuliani is a mediocrity who had a singular opportunity to act responsibly and managed for a few hours to not fall flat on his face. His performance in, call it what it was, doing his job was only remarkable compared to Bush's seven minutes of paralysis.

As a campaigner in 2008 he was reduced to gibbering repetitions of recitations, frankly it made me cringe to listen to him.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 28, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Also, 'Leadership in Terror' is so comical from a writing standpoint I don't know where to start.

Was the leadership 'in terror?'

Please think about the actual meaning of what you write.

Posted by: drindl | October 28, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

What I sadly remember is that Mayor Guiliani wanted to SUSPEND THE ELECTIONS because of the crisis and that he was indispensable.

What politician does not think he's incredibly great?

But to stop an election -- which by the way went off without a hitch -- is horrible in a Democracy, and sounds like something in some minor league South American or Asian country.

For Guiliani to try to do that in NYC is -- to me -- unforgivable. It is on the par with the ostensible Richard Nixon plan to declare an emergency and then cancel the elections.

Posted by: Pete_from_nyc | October 28, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"Bernard Kerik...well, 'nuff said."

Good, don't steal tomorrow's thunder.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 28, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

But, but, but, angriestdog,

CC just made my day posting earlier about how the Republican field for 2012 is already set: Five Sure Losers.

Whew. Glad that is over with. So, what are you worried about? Celebrate! Obama skates through to 2016 and you heard it here first.

Look, if you read that somewhere on some liberal blog, you wouldn't believe it, you would think that is just some liberal dreamer putting up a slate of laughable Republican has-beens.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 28, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Chris:

Look, Giuliani deserves a small drop of credit for being a moderately effective mayor. He was willing to try things, which he deserves credit for, but most of them didn't work out (like trying to do something about midtown traffic).

However, the truth is that most of the "successes" that Giuliani claims credit for were actually initiated under his predecessor, the much-maligned David Dinkins. The steep drop in crime? Began under Dinkins. Times Square revitalization? Began under Dinkins. The squeegee men were gone before Giuliani took over. And the police commissioner under Dinkins? Raymond Kelly. You might be familiar with him because HE'S ALSO BEEN THE POLICE COMMISSIONER FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS UNDER MAYOR BLOOMBERG!

Unfortunately, the Crown Heights riots unfairly tarnished Dinkins' legacy.

Giuliani's first police commissioner, William Bratton, was also first-rate, but the moment he started receiving good press, Giuliani got rid of him (the cover of Newsweek was his firing offense...in Giuliani's world, nobody gets credit or acclaim but the boss, OR ELSE!)

Giuliani's next police commissioner, Howard Safir, was a sycophantic yes-man and a complete disaster. His last commissioner, Bernard Kerik...well, 'nuff said.

Giuliani's true "management style" was to find an individual, or a group, that had little, if any, political power, and pick a fight with them. It made for good headlines, but not much else.

And as for 9/11: Giuliani was fortunate in that George Bush could barely utter a coherent sentence. It kind of made Giuliani seem Churchillian by comparison.

I know others have posted about the historical roots of "Hizzoner," but in my memory, Ed "How'm I doin'?" Koch was the first to really be known by that moniker around town.

Posted by: Bondosan | October 28, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

If you could stop time in 2001, Rudy would be fairly admirable. Probably the best shot the GOP had to stave off its descent into becoming a merely regional party based on a diminishing demographic.

But of course, you can't stop time, and Rudy has spent most of the time since shredding his reputation more thoroughly even than McCain in 2008.

Posted by: nodebris | October 28, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"America's Mayor" has long made a specialty of grabbing credit for positives in NYC - including firing his innovative police commissioner Ben Bratton - when Bratton's popularity threatened Rudy's status as crimefighting hero.

Bratton was extremely effective at detecting and prosecuting gun-law violators; something Rudy probably wouldn't want to discuss now.

Rudy has never given any credit to Ray Kelly (previous and now current police commissioner) and others who developed the "broken windows" crimefighting policies Bratton championed.

Rudy also specialized in filing punitive taxpayer-funded lawsuits against anyone who criticized him. He tabbed a corrupt political hack named Bernard Kerik to mobilize the Corrections System as a political grease machine, and then promoted Kerrick to police commissioner - you won't hear rudy utter Kerricks name now.

Then there was Rudy's demand to locate the NYC GOV emergency HQ in the trade towers - reportedly in order to use the master bedroom suite therin for lunchtime trysts - against the urging of terror experts.

Then there are to 20,000 or so enraged NYC firefighters: 2% of the entire FD died during 9/11, equipped with the same radios that failed in 1993 in the first WTC attack - and they have a number of other grievences. Alot of their friends are dead and they don't care if Rudy sues them.

One could continue. The point is, Clizilla's piece today reads like a Rudy campaign brochure.

I can't wait to see if Clizzila hazards any real substance in 'the case against Rudy'.

If he does, he'd better brace for lawsuits if Rudy gets elected to anything.

Posted by: al75 | October 28, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

you got to be kidding... this Blog is nothing but a repuglican social networking site. Please, WaPo at least find someone to balance Cilizza's daily dose of repuglican swill juice. Only fair. You're losing us. We are forced to go to Huff Post because there is increasingly nothing here accept cheerleading the 18% deadenders.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 28, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

you got to be kidding... this Blog is nothing but a repuglican social networking site. Please, WaPo at least find someone to balance Cilizza's daily dose of repuglican swill juice. Only fair. You're losing us. We are forced to go to Huff Post because there is increasingly nothing here accept cheerleading the 18% deadenders.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 28, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

benniecsmith, so true.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 28, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Rudy is absolutely not qualified for any hall of fame unless it is for "the most expensive and dumbest presidential primary strategy in the world" HOF, or "the most hypocritical" HOF. The guy is like Bush. He happened to be in charge on the worst day in American history, that's it. It is pretty easy to appear competent in those circumstances.

Posted by: jillcohen | October 28, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

mteng is right. "Hizzoner' belongs to whomever is currently mayor of NYC.

Posted by: drindl | October 28, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Giuliani has been elected to political office twice. He's also run several unsuccessful campaigns for higher office. How does that qualify him for a Hall of Fame?

Posted by: Blarg | October 28, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Chris, I know you didn't mean it this way, but using the subheader "Leadership in Terror" to describe Guiliani is so accidentally appropriate... he was second only to Bush/Cheney in beating the "be afraid" drums.

Posted by: benniecsmith | October 28, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"New York has attitude again -- we feel this is the place, the best city in the world."

That attitude adjustment would not have been possible without Giuliani."

Jesus, what a ridiculous statement. No idea what you're talking about, CC. I have worked in Manhattan, off and on, for 25 years. New York is a great city and has been for a hundred years and more. We've had our ups and downs, as cities will, but Guiliani was a mere blip on the screen.

And ask any New Yorker about Rudy and you will understand that his affairs, his public womanizing, his loud and public disputes with his wife and kids are what people remember most about him.

They also remember that he chose to put the city's command center in a building that had previously been a terrorist target and that he did that for the convenience of his mistress.

Posted by: drindl | October 28, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Mr. "A noun, verb, and 9/11" isn't fit to hold either Daley's or LaGuardia's jock. I was hoping you'd change your mind and include more worthy candidates like Curley, Lawrence, or Bradley.

And stop with the "Hizzoner" for Guiliani. Daley had the moniker before him and probably LaGuardia before Daley. The term dates back to the 19th century. Heck, Bloomberg is "Hizzoner" now to the NY press.

Posted by: mnteng | October 28, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Geez Cillizza, don't you get tired of embarrassing yourself?

All I can say is, you must have friends in high places at WAPO if they let you run brainless, fawning garbage like this.

Posted by: bigbrother1 | October 28, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

The proverbial friend of mine was out on 42nd street late the other night after a show. The drug dealers and pimps are well, as thick as thieves. The only thing that has changed is something North Boston and many other places world-wide learned a long time ago. Do not bother the tourists.

I heart New York, but
Guiliani is a fraud.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 28, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

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