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Five myths about health care

As the House prepares for the final, last, we-really-mean-it-this-time vote on President Obama's health care proposal this weekend, we spent some time analyzing some of the biggest myths that have developed over the course of this year-long debate.

A few of those myths are below. You can read the full piece here.

Myth #1: This could have been a bipartisan bill

Very unlikely. Bipartisanship in politics is built on two pillars: trust and mutual benefit. And from the start it was apparent that both were in short supply in the 111th Congress.

While Obama's election -- and Democratic gains in the House and the Senate -- in 2008 were heralded as a new beginning in politics, the distrust and partisanship that had typified Congress in the recent past left a bitterness that no election could heal. Obama's efforts to bridge those gaps (often more personality-driven than policy-focused) came up short, with Republicans wary of being made into political pawns.

Nowhere was that wariness on better display than during last month's televised health-care summit at Blair House. Republicans came armed for rhetorical battle -- complete with copies of the massive bill as props -- rather than bipartisan compromise. That meeting also made plain the wide policy gap between the two parties; Democrats were focused primarily on expanding coverage, while Republicans were fixated on controlling costs.

Congressional Republicans also made an early strategic calculation that unified opposition to the president's overall agenda was their best course of action. The fact that just three Senate Republicans -- including one, Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter, who later become a Democrat -- backed Obama's economic stimulus package was an omen that bipartisanship on health care was a pipe dream.

Myth #2: Democrats gave up on the public option too soon

To this day, the left insists that if the White House and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) stood strongly behind the creation of a public option -- a government-run health-care plan -- it could muster the necessary votes in the Senate. The Progressive Change Campaign Committee is even sponsoring an ad that plucks public statements from a handful of Senate Democrats -- Mark Warner (Va.), Jim Webb (Va.) and Kay Hagan (N.C.) among them -- to prove that a majority could be built around the measure.

But the fact is that expressing support for the public option is a consequence-free win-win situation for Senate Democrats. Politicians know that a vote on the controversial measure simply won't happen because neither the White House nor the congressional leadership has any desire to bring it back up. As a result, these lawmakers are free to voice their strong support for the public option while never having to worry about the political consequences of casting a vote in favor of it.

Myth #3: Scott Brown changed everything.

Yes and no. From a procedural standpoint, the stunning upset by Brown, a Republican, in the Jan. 19 Massachusetts special election forced Democrats to reassess their plan for passing the health-care overhaul; they drew a road map heavy on parliamentary procedures that led us down the current path. Without 60 seats, Democrats are unable to break Republican filibusters and therefore have been forced to slow-walk legislation that they had been on the precipice of passing before Brown's win.

But the meat of the bill -- an attempt at broad reform -- never really changed. From the start, the president made clear that nibbling around the edges of health care didn't interest him. Brown's victory did little to change Obama's "go big or go home" approach, even if it did raise the electoral stakes heading into the midterm elections this fall.

The psychological effect on Democrats of Brown winning the late Ted Kennedy's seat is harder to gauge. Democratic strategists fretted that the loss of the seat would lead to a rush of retirements on their side, a fear that hasn't been entirely borne out as the retirements have come more in drips and drabs.

By Chris Cillizza  |  March 18, 2010; 1:07 PM ET
Categories:  Health Care  
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Posted by: rritkonlyyou | March 20, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Nothing is "written" for eternity ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

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written in gobbledegook language similar to..."This
is in accordance with paragraph 23 of Section 5 of the 2009 budget
bill HR2109
but is not in accordance with all
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Posted by: depoulins | March 19, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

MYTHS? or REALITY CHECKS?

The Democrats, with the (lack of) leadership from Obama, dropped the ball on Public healthcare option. Back in the Summer, Obama was too busy golfing at Martha's Vineyard to pick up the ball and prevent it from entering the tea bagger's front yard!

In fact, it is OBAMA who FAILED TO NEGOTIATE THE PUBLIC OPTION AND COMMUNICATE THE MEANING OF SINGLE-PAYER UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE!

Obama's lack of negitiation skills and leadership, of course, are only the result of his inexperience, ineffectuality and lack of passion for a subject that he couldn't care less..

And Cilizza's carrying the water bags for Obama and giving us his absolutely ridiculous views here is, well....mythological.

Posted by: MSakel | March 19, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama said he wants to "make history"

How much is that going to COST YOU ???

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

The hill.com now has 37 No votes - up one from this morning.

The democrats are going backwards - even though they are parading some yes votes out.

Elliott Engel was a real laugh.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

The democrats have got to be kidding with the supposed vote announcements today.


First they had Elliott Engel - who was on everyone's list as a firm yes.


But Engel claimed he was undecided - and that he was making a big announcement that he was now a yes.


Then Rep. Boccieri of Ohio - Clyborne said he was one of three yes votes that he had earlier in the week - SO THIS WAS ALREADY ANNOUNCED.

Yea, we all understand that the democrats want the illusion of momentum.

However, if anything, the democrats have gone BACKWARDS this week - because the Stupak crew has held firm - and because Rep. Lynch went the other way.

So what if Kucinich and Guittierez went yes - they are both in safe districts and they are among the most liberal in Congress - so they have been subject to NONE OF THE PRESSURES the other democrats in competitive districts have been subjected to.


The bottom line is the democrats do NOT have the votes - and they are pretty far away.

Anyway ............

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

The AMERICAN PEOPLE do not want another MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WITH MASSIVE, UNCERTAIN COSTS.


We all know that the costs of the health care bill have been vastly underestimated - and those costs will spiral out of control.


Medicare in the 1960s was given cost estimates before passage - 15 years LATER THE COSTS WERE TEN TIMES THE ESTIMATES.


The democrats simply DO NOT CARE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR THIS PROGRAM.


The democrats think they are going to use their temporary majority to JAM THROUGH A PERMANENT PROGRAM WHICH NO ONE WANTS.


This fight will not be over this week.


This bill will be REPEALED - DEMOCRATS WILL BE DRIVEN FROM OFFICE.

Yea, just ask Marjorie Margoles Mevendes - or whatever her name is -


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

It is pretty obvious that some group is ASTROTURFING THIS BLOG ON A REGULAR BASIS.

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A comment priceless for its irony quotient.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 19, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

cmon BWJ, and Dawd, quit encouraging the Corner! just ignore him, he won't go away, but at least he'll only have his fellow trolls to talk to like sosa, and moonbat, armpeg, etc...
always insults in their posts, maybe some good info in there but who can tell with all of the ridiculous childish namecalling.
IGNORE!!!

Posted by: katem1 | March 19, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

It is not far-fetched, with all the money being thrown around in the health care debate, to some of that money finding its way to ASTROTURFING the intrade market.

It is pretty obvious that some group is ASTROTURFING THIS BLOG ON A REGULAR BASIS.

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pity you couldn't stop smoking PCP before you charred your brain

Posted by: Noacoler | March 19, 2010 3:17 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 19, 2010 2:31 AM | Report abuse

The Bottom Line


Why would any democratic Congressman RISK HIS RE-ELECTION for the sake of this health care bill ???

It's not like the individual pieces of health care are not going to come up over time - like next year.

If those pieces are so popular, then they will get passed.

There is no reason to risk one's political career for this bill.

Just because Obama has made some horrible decisions, and repeatedly shown a complete disregard for the political standing of the democratic party - that doesn't mean that a Congressman has to ACT LIKE A LEMMING IN A TOYOTA.


Pretty simple.

Extremely simple.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 1:31 AM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


We are having a discussion - you are attempting to convince people that intrade is predictive - AND I am pointing out that intrade can be subject to manipulation - so the numbers could entirely be MISLEADING.

You then go out there, and insist that the intrade number means something.

And I proved day after day that it was MISLEADING.

It is not far-fetched, with all the money being thrown around in the health care debate, to some of that money finding its way to ASTROTURFING the intrade market.

It is pretty obvious that some group is ASTROTURFING THIS BLOG ON A REGULAR BASIS.

So whatever, I answered your question.


It just seems that you have a shallow understanding of the democratic talking points which you are attempting to explain.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 1:28 AM | Report abuse

THE WHIP COUNT


Anyone who is starting with the vote last fall, and trying to count backwards - is running into serious problems in the count. Many democrats have now seen how difficult their districts may be this fall - and are reluctant to cast a second vote in favor of the health care bill.


Obviously we will have to see.

However, Rep Lynch is a major major set-back - He was on few lists to switch.


Add that to the Stupak situation - and there simply are dwindling numbers of votes available to switch to make up for the lost votes.


I saw Rep Cuellar on CNN - and I was astonished that he said he had not spoken with Obama yet - today is March 18 - Obama's orginial deadline - and he hasn't spoken to all the Congressment who are on the list ???


I found that astonishing.


There are only about 30-40 Congressmen on the list - so how in the world hasn't Obama spoken to all of them yet???

For all Obama's ignoring of the economy and jobs -


For all Obama's concentrating on the health care bill -

WHY HASN'T OBAMA SPOKEN TO ALL THE CONGRESSMEN YET ???

What HAS Obama been doing ?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

DDAWD


Are you serious ??? Why is intrade on the democratic talking points ? Why is anyone trying to influence public opinion - Why are the democrats looking at intrade and saying - "SEE, its a done deal"

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Rep Lipinski said yesterday that the Stupak block did meet - and there were 12 Stupak members.

Obama has a problem.


Add to that Rep. Lynch said he wasn't going to vote for the bill.

If Stupak only has 7 - that would mean that Obama would be 3 votes short. -

If there are 12 Stupak votes - Obama would be 8 short.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

37th,

I don't know why you are so hysterical about Intrade. If you are right, and it's being manipulated, then Intrade means nothing. Next week, you'll get to crow.

If you are wrong, and Intrade is not being manipulated, what do you care? No one is holding a gun to your head to believe it. You'll look like a fool, but we all look like fools at times.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 19, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

For those of us who are into the vote count methodology in the House, read the latest:

Time to Start Counting Yes Votes
by Nate Silver @ 10:49 PM

It's sure starting to look like both the momentum and the math favor the Democrats and that something will have to go wrong to prevent them from getting to 216 votes on health care.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Oh, by the way he talks about Intrade being a little pessimistic.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 19, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

37th, this is what I mean by being stupid.

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STOP BEING STUPID

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WHY would someone manipulate the market? What does it accomplish?

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Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse


DDAWD

80 is not a done deal - there have been many intrade contracts that have gone over 80 and then gone the other way - I think the Texas democratic primary did that.

AND I'm sure McCain was below 20 for the Republican nomination for a long time during the summer of 2007.

So there is alot of smoke being blown you-know-where on this 80 number.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Ouch, Mark. Sorry. I thought you guys would pull it out.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

DDAWD

There are numerous interest groups out there buying ads, hiring lobbyists - spending all sorts of money trying to create the impression that there is support for and against the health care bill out there. Millions of dollars are being spent.


As part of that, some groups have a web strategy - they pay bloggers - hire trolls to post - and they try to buy contracts on intrade to influence the numbers.

I don't understand what part you are having difficulty for - that there is money out there which is aimed at opinions, not necessarily getting a return on the intrade contract ?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

37th, I'll only believe you if you give me a reason someone would want to waste money to manipulate the market. And yeah, it needs to be a well thought out rationale. In other words, don't be your normal STUPID self and compare it to tv ads.

If not, I'll take it as a tacit agreement that the 80% indicates a done deal.

Thanks.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

DDAWD

you said it before - the 80 number means nothing


So what - some interest group goes out and buys contracts.

THAT IS CALLED ASTROTURF.

These people on here who are just repeating talking point are really a laugh.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Well, intrade just traded over 100 contracts at 80. Guess it's a done deal.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Forget about intrade - it's a manufactured number.

Let's concentrate on the ACCOUNTING TRICKS - which are all over the CBO report.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

oh, duh U-dub. I was wondering what the heck D-U-B stood for. That's my second incorrect pick.
And your horns are letting me down (even though I should be rooting for non Duke ACC)

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

hahaha, that would be great if I did, wouldn't it? I'm not good enough to pick a top 4 seed upset in the first round.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Wonderful finish for UDUB. Ddawd, do not tell me you had OHIO!

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 18, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

re. Myth #3 Scott Brown changed everything.

Apparantly not.
(Thank you Comrade Obama and Democrap Socialists for probably giving us conservatives and Republicans both houses of congress in the 2010 midterms, and the presidentcy in 2012.)

Reason #1. Because Comrade Barack Obama and most members of America's neo--Communist Party (they still call themselves 'Democrats', but only their useful idiot supporters--who aren't too bright anyway--haven't figured that out yet) are ideologues. Ideologues don't care about bi-partisanship, possible future election results, what the American people think or want done or not, or what every poll shows. All they care about is ramming through whatever THEY think is good for you, because THEY think that they are the elite ruling class, your betters, the educated and therefor gods among mere men, and that their do-do doesn't stink. Ideologues, like Comrade Obama and the Democrap Socialist Party, forsee a future for all of us peons to be told what to do, when to do it, how high to jump, and to conform to whatever THEY tell us--i e Communism and Socialism, a la George Orwell's "1984".
Reason #2. The Scott Brown election DID change everything, but Comrade Obama's useful idiots are too zealous and stupid to have figured it out yet.
A stupid person is one that thinks he/she can get different results doing the same thing, and the Scott Brown election aftermath proves it.
Consiter. The most far-left liberal state in the country, Mass., not only elects a Republican for the first time in like 40 years or so, but elects him to Ted Kennedy's seat, who was the by far most left-wing liberal Democrap Socialist in congress. He (Scott Brown) does this primarily by running against Comrade Obama's and the Democrap Socialist's Health Care Bill, and their Communist agenda. Now common sense would dictate that the lesson of Scott Brown's election in Mass. would be a big indicator of things to come for Comrade Obama and any Democrap Socialist running for re-election, but you'd be wrong. They're still all so dumb as to believe that they'll get different results doing the same thing--i e ramming through their Communist takeover bill of one-sixth of our economy.

Posted by: armpeg | March 18, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying the 89.9 meant anything. It was just FYI.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Suzy, according to the market stats, the Obamacare market has been as low as 20 and as high as 89.9, so it has hit that threshold on both sides. There's probably more to it than just hitting 80. I'm sure it's got to be for a certain duration or perhaps a certain length of time before the deadline. Assuming there's even any truth to the 80% thing.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 10:14 PM

Mr Dawd, Intrade reached 89.9 on March 3. Yes, that's meaningless because it immediately retreated and the volume was extremely small. It was just "noise." Watch the Intrade price on Sunday. If it stays above 80, the vote is very likely and the bill should pass. That doesn't mean it's doomed if it stays in the 60 or 70 range. It could still pass, but there are no consistent accuracy rates for intrade at that price level.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 18, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

That doesn't even make sense. How could primaries have a contract? It must be for a certain candidate or something.

And you can check the stats for a market. It says the low was 20 and the high was 89.9

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Suzy

Intrade is not over 80 - nor has it been

If you look up the Texas democratic primaries in 2008 - intrade was over 80 and then fell to zero.

So your stats are off.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 10:12 PM

37, I never said Intrade was over 80 for the health care bill. I said it was approaching 80. It's at 75 for the moment. It reached a high of 79.6 today and a low of 62. Click on the chart to get more details and options for viewing.

Regarding the Texas primary, I didn't follow that on Intrade, so I'm not sure what you mean.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 18, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Ok, Kansas went on a 12-0 run. No need to panic now.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Suzy, according to the market stats, the Obamacare market has been as low as 20 and as high as 89.9, so it has hit that threshold on both sides. There's probably more to it than just hitting 80. I'm sure it's got to be for a certain duration or perhaps a certain length of time before the deadline. Assuming there's even any truth to the 80% thing.

BWJ, glad you liked the link. Thank CF8 and Drindl for it. I almost died trying to stifle my laughter the first time since I was at work. After everyone left, I got to get it out of my system. I'm not sure who is in the HOF, though. That profile is just so perfect though. Thank god for google cache after zook tried to delete it.

As for the games, I had a good first 8 games getting them all right. Not doing so hot the second eight. Georgetown losing cost me an Elite 8. Marquette just lost too, but I didn't have them surviving the second round.

And what's going on with the Kansas game? I'm seeing them losing by 8.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

The CBO numbers are a BIG LIE - how many ACCOUNTING TRICKS ARE IN THOSE NUMBERS.


Obama has got to be kidding.


The health care bill is the ENRON OF ALL GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS - DO NOT BE FOOLED.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

mooned/zouk, we way underestimated you. Unusual site you have there. Why not include 37 in the, er, fun?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 18, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse


The CBO numbers are a BIG LIE - how many ACCOUNTING TRICKS ARE IN THOSE NUMBER.


Obama has got to be kidding.


The health care bill is the ENRON OF ALL GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS - DO NOT BE FOOLED.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Suzy


Intrade is not over 80 - nor has it been

If you look up the Texas democratic primaries in 2008 - intrade was over 80 and then fell to zero.

So your stats are off.

It's OK, because if some interest group is buying contracts just to make a false impression, that really should not count.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Suzy


Intrade is not over 80 - nor has it been

If you look up the Texas democratic primaries in 2008 - intrade was over 80 and then fell to zero.

So your stats are off.

It's OK, because if some interest group is buying contracts just to make a false impression, that really should not count.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Right now, the intrade market is astroturf - just like broadwayjoe who is an astroturf troll.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Right now, the intrade market is astroturf - just like broadwayjoe who is an astroturf troll.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 9:58 PM


Yeah, I hope you're right, 37. If so, Intrade can kiss my asstroturf!

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 18, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Andy, I think we will continue to have moderate good news in the economy from now until November. Unemployment has turned a corner, the stock market is up, there’s no sign of inflation. I hope the voters remember who looked out for them and vote for the Democrats.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 18, 2010 9:09 PM

margaretmeyers, did you see the poll numbers that came out today for Barbara Boxer in California? That should be a safe seat for the dems, but she's in a fight for her political life. Looks like Mass all over again to me.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 18, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Right now, the intrade market is astroturf - just like broadwayjoe who is an astroturf troll.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama does not have the votes.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 9:25 PM


37, if Pelosi does go to the floor for a vote on Sunday, then she has the votes for sure. I doubt she'll be fishing for last minute votes on the floor. If she's not certain of the votes, she won't risk losing and will end up postponing the vote.

The Intrade price is getting real close to its threshold of correctly predicting an event, but one thing they always say about the markets - past performance does not necessarily guarantee future performance. At some point, the Intrade winning streak at the 80 threshold will be broken.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 18, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

"BWJ, it is time for a new inductee.
Here is my nomination

[Link to "Hall of Famer" omitted]

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 8:03 PM"
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That made my day, DD.

I thought Zouk was already in the HOF but, yes, let's nominate him. As JakeD/D2 knows, you need four votes for induction. Great link, though!!! It totally confirms all that we suspected. Zouk's in a completely parallel universe from the rest of us. :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 18, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

SuzyCcup

I don't know where you are coming up with that information, but it isn't true - for instance I think the Texas democratic primaries would not fit that one.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Berry can't spell Syracuse.

Now he's dumber than Quayle.

Soon we'll find he's as dumb as ddawd.

Impossible.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 18, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Suzy has the correct whip-count.


Obama does not have the votes.


Right now, Stupak has about 5 votes in his back pocket - and there are so many democrats who really do not want to vote for this thing, the leadership is not even sure who all the Stupak people are.

Obama has got to be kidding.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Suzy, what was the threshold for which you said intrade is never wrong? You mentioned it for the Senate race in Massachusetts.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 8:56 PM

Mr Dawd, Intrade has had a 100% accuracy prediction rate whenever the share price of an event gets above 80 and stays there up to the outcome. The last couple of days before the Tiger Woods announcement that he would play again before a certain date, it fluctuated around the 85 level. It was correct again.

By the way, this is not something I claim. It was brought up in their own forum last year by a participant and was never disproven by anybody.

Yes, the chart price is almost at 80 and looks good right now for passage of the health care bill. For some reason, I'm still not convinced though. I'll be watching intrade closely tomorrow and Saturday.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 18, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe


you are nothing but a paid troll who harasses other posters - now you have taken upon yourself to tell the Washington Post how to write its own newspaper.

Like somehow you know better.

You are nothing but a low-class troll who should be banned from the internet.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Andy, I think we will continue to have moderate good news in the economy from now until November. Unemployment has turned a corner, the stock market is up, there’s no sign of inflation. I hope the voters remember who looked out for them and vote for the Democrats.

The Republicans had 15 years to formulate HCR. They didn't because they don't think it is government's role. That's a viewpoint, but the fact is HC was taking up more and more of the GDP and the existing system had to be changed before it collapsed in 5 to 10 years.

The second stimulus package? Why is the Chamber of Commerce anti-Obama? Has the recovery and stabilization bill helped stabilize state and local governments as they faced huge deficits? Yes – it bought them a year to re-gear their budgets in a controlled environment, it kept unemployment checks coming to citizens who needed it and it helped municipalities provide basic services they might otherwise have had to cut. The Chamber of Commerce should be thanking Obama.

Upcoming reform in the financial markets and banking will work for voters, too. If the Republicans had any interest in this they wouldn’t have stripped the monitoring agencies of budget, staff and teeth. The past 8 years has taught us all how easily business lies to itself as well as the government and the investor. The GOP is happy with the free market but the rest of us see the need for reform and we need Federal oversight.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 18, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe


There are no myths about you - everything they say is TRUE

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Suzy, what was the threshold for which you said intrade is never wrong? You mentioned it for the Senate race in Massachusetts.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

The Shot!
Huskies!

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

My Huskies looking sketchy, but Marquette looks worse...

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

... that President Obama will be the first president in history to finally get comprehensive healthcare reform passed.

Posted by: ovechkin | March 18, 2010 6:25 PM


Are you sure about that?

Most think TheHill.com has the best whip count of the dem votes. From their numbers, I still don't see the dems pulling this out on Sunday.

Dems Firm No or Likely No: 36
Dems Likely Yes: 15
Dems Undecided: 49
Rest of Dems all yes

Why haven't the 49 undecideds spoken out? I think a sizable number would vote no.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 18, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I do not hold 37th responsible for Georgetown's problems.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

*for the SAKE of picking an upset.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I just picked ODU for the same of picking an upset. I just happened to get lucky a few times. I do like small conference teams with a lot of wins. That's why I liked Murray St (30-4) Those types of teams tend to be underrated and are good bets for upsets.

But the way things are this year, 6 v 11 and closer are basically coinflips.

And CF8 and drindl really deserve credit for finding that zook page. Drindl found it and then CF8 found the google cache.

But man, that is effin hilarious.

And yeah, Georgetown is going to hurt me a lot. I have them as an Elite Eight.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Another obimbo deadline come and gone.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 18, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Another obimbo deadline come and gone.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 18, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd, Gtown may be my second Waterloo.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 18, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to ddawd on picking ODU [why?] and finding KOZ's model mayhem page.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 18, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

On the topic of myths...

Five myths about 37:

That he lives in his Mom's basement. (He allegedly lives in her garage.)

That he has an IQ of 40. (IMO, it's not measurable using conventional testing.)

That his income derives from redeeming 13 smashed soda cans weekly at Piggly Wiggly. (He actually redeems about 8 a week.)

That he asked trombonist Gregory Charles Royal for Palin's phone number.

That he is related in any way to that unhinged Hall of Famer, the original 37.

Glad to clear things up.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 18, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

And make that 8 for 8

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Mark, I'm not sure, but I think it's NB deal out and FL for all.

And shrink, your bracket isn't in tatters, you just got some meaningless first round games wrong.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm 7 out of 7, somehow.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

ODU screwed all 6 of my brackets.

My understanding is FL deal out; NB deal replicated for all;
LA deal [which is not a HC deal at all but a rider for Katrina funding promised but not delivered in two Admins] in.

Cannot wait to read it [during halftimes and long commercial breaks]. There will not be many boring games this year.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 18, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe how paranoid the Republic Party is that President Obama will be the first president in history to finally get comprehensive healthcare reform passed.

Michael Steele made such a fool of himself today on Rick Sanchez' show that it's mind-boggling that the gop even let him address this subject. Steele is absolutely clueless!

I do hope they keep putting him out there though, as well as McConnell, Boner and Pence. They are the gifts that keep on giving!!

BTW. Why aren't they putting Ensign out there front & center in the press like they used to? What's up with that?

Posted by: ovechkin | March 18, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Whoa, reading this thing is difficult.

I'd rather watch the tournament,
but I have a job to do.
Besides, my bracket is already in tatters.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Nancy keeps on pushing the vote back because she doesn't have the votes. Rep Lynch could be the last straw.

The way the democratic leadership has treated Stupak will be the story of this bill.

Nancy and Steny have wasted the last week - refusing to talk to Stupak - however it appears now that Stupak has the votes in his back pocket - and those votes are the ones which hold the sway.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD


You don't want to hear the truth, do you?

Are you an ostrich ?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I didn't see anything in the section-by-section summary that takes the Cornhusker Kickback out, does anyone know?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 18, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, 12BB

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Shut up you paranoid freak

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

newbeeboy


Is that a sexist statement ???


Reid is silent because he knows that the House is swallowing his version of the health care bill.

Reid is also happy that the heavy lifting is all on the House side right now.

The democrats are about 7 votes short right now.

Not sure how Obama is going to find those 7 votes - the democrats essentially took a body blow today with Rep Lynch -

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I think POTUS has the votes.. he's just making sure no one jumps ship.. Pelosi looks like a whipped pup.. Reid is silent (by DC standards).. Congress has seemingly lost its autonomy (not the first time in U.S. history.. by a long shot).

Posted by: newbeeboy | March 18, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues

Are you a paid troll ??? If so, who is paying you and how much? Disclosure is important, you should be honest with the other people here.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

MORE APPARENT GOV'T 'FUSION CENTER' CENSORSHIP OF POLITICAL SPEECH ON THE WEB...

For the latest affront to the constitutional rights of all Americans, see latest comments (click on highest numbered comments page):

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-govt-uses-cbs-news-cover-microwave-cell-tower-torture OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

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Health care reform? FIRST, DO NO HARM!

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 18, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Lynch really threw the democrats one today.


The democrats are really really angry.

At this point, the votes are out of reach. Kucinich and Guittierez have switch to yes - so there are no more soft switches available.


Obama has got to be kidding - he even had to CANCEL A TRIP TO A MUSLIM COUNTRY.


Stupak has 5 votes in his pocket - and the leadership is not even sure who they are - this thing is going to get to the weekend and the leadership is going to be right back at Stupak.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


Persisting with spreading your lies ???

It gets really unbelievable when you are called out.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Everyone who has the slightest interest in this arcane world of futures markets can go to Intrade.com and check it out.

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=709242&z=1267779857294

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

12BB, how does intrade determine where a market is "at"? Is it just based on the last completed order?

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 4:29 PM


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It works like this:


When the democratic interest groups - the same ones running millions of dollars of tv commercials this week - have bought up enough contracts to push the price up to where they want it, they call their democratic friends who send out the emails on the democratic talking points.

So a whole bunch of people get emails saying - check out the intrade numbers - they are indicating that the democrats are going to push health care through.


OH, then we have a bunch of stupid people talking about things that they really don't understand.

Or they are pretending not to understand.


Or they are just lying.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

12BB, how does intrade determine where a market is "at"? Is it just based on the last completed order?

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 4:29 PM


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It works like this:


When the democratic interest groups - the same ones running millions of dollars of tv commercials this week - have bought up enough contracts to push the price up to where they want it, they call their democratic friends who send out the emails on the democratic talking points.

So a whole bunch of people get emails saying - check out the intrade numbers - they are indicating that the democrats are going to push health care through.


OH, then we have a bunch of stupid people talking about things that they really don't understand.

Or they are pretending not to understand.


Or they are just lying.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Rule No. 62

Don't take yourself so darn seriously.

Posted by: newbeeboy | March 18, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Here is 37th--

Intrade is LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CBO is LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The nuns are LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nancy is LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama is TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just kiddin.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I didn't read the Myths.. but I am commenting anyway:

Q.
Should Killer Whale Trainers pay more for their government run healthcare?

Eclectic Comentary:

Here are some jobs that I don't want any longer.. because I read the news...

Parking Lot attendant at Raleigh Durham Airport.

Compensation Advisor at Goldman.

Videographer for John Edwards.

Photo layout editor at GQ.

Towel boy at Congressional Bath House.

Minnesota stall kicker ticket writing airport cop.

Charles Ponzi schemer.

White House Social Secretary.

Posted by: newbeeboy | March 18, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

12BB, how does intrade determine where a market is "at"? Is it just based on the last completed order?

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 4:29 PM
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You can say the market is "at" the price of the last trade, or what I prefer, at the price of the lowest ask price (if I am a potential buyer).

Just for educational purposes, I think it's wise to look at the whole range of prices today and over time (think of it like a band of possibilities) and think of that band as where you could make trades.

Of course, that requires one to be able to look at a price chart and see the overall trend line. Some people can see it (me) and others cannot (37th).

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


So you are going to continue your deception - by insisting that no one has been astroturfing the intrade numbers ???

That amounts to lying.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

This analysis piece was totally spot on, Chris.

Kudos!

Posted by: WillSeattle | March 18, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse


The CBO numbers are a BIG LIE - how many ACCOUNTING TRICKS ARE IN THOSE NUMBERS ???


Obama has got to be kidding.


The health care bill is the ENRON OF ALL GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS - DO NOT BE FOOLED.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

12BB, how does intrade determine where a market is "at"? Is it just based on the last completed order?

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


So your position is that it is OK to go back on an agreement with the Catholic Bishops because a Nun says it is OK ???

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 4:25 PM
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You're deep into hierarchy, aren't you.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


So your position is that it is OK to go back on an agreement with the Catholic Bishops because a Nun says it is OK ???

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The biggest myth of all is that this will do anything to improve the cost, quality or availability of health care. It won't do any of these.

Posted by: magnatron | March 18, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The biggest myth of all is that this will do anything to improve the cost, quality or availability of health care. It won't do any of these.

Posted by: magnatron | March 18, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

A great deal of democrats on here upset with Rep. Lynch ???


HHHMmmmmm,


Is it out of reach yet? Going back on the agreement to have the Stupak language in the bill is going to be costly. Blame the people who did that.


Blame Obama.


Obama has completely mishandled the entire health care debate. Blame yourselves for voting for him.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


The same thing was happening at 3 am on intrade again - two nights in a row !

So don't try to claim to anyone there are any conclusions to be drawn from those trades.

Clearly manipulated -


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 4:05 PM
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What can be said about your powers of insight into the inner workings of Intrade? Let me not even try.

BTW, Intrade has the chance of HCR passage at 77% right now.

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=709242&z=1267779857294

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Whether one wants to argue who is the REAL voice of the Church, the recent letters of support from Catholic leaders has given political cover to those who want to vote yes on HCR.

Posted by: 12BarBlues
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It's going to be interesting as more and more $$$ are sucked out of Catholic layman's pockets by obamanomics there will be less and less to put in the collection basket to support the leaders.

Posted by: leapin | March 18, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Myth #1 is really that this is a Health Care reform bill at all. It's really a health insurance reform bill. The republican ideas are intended to decrease costs for health insurers, which will trickle down to the policyholders in the form of lower premiums.

Sounds just like the trickle down theory of economics from the 80s. Without at least some of the democratic ideas, it would work about as well.

Posted by: zspam | March 18, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues and JakeD3


Intrade has become nothing but ASTROTURF.

If you are trying to deceive someone based on intrade, you are LYING.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Threats, intimidation, lies, harrassments, nothing the wh*res won't do for the industry.
Posted by: drindl
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Cornhusker Kickback, Louisiana Purchase , GatorAid, The lifetime Federal Judgeship, and Denny’s big air adventure.

Posted by: leapin | March 18, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


The same thing was happening at 3 am on intrade again - two nights in a row !

So don't try to claim to anyone there are any conclusions to be drawn from those trades.

Clearly manipulated -


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse


The CBO numbers are a BIG LIE - how many ACCOUNTING TRICKS ARE IN THOSE NUMBERS ???


Obama has got to be kidding.


The health care bill is the ENRON OF ALL GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS - DO NOT BE FOOLED.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

The bishops are increasingly alone in their position. Last week, both the Catholic Health Association and a group of 25 “pro-life Catholic theologians and Evangelical leaders” also sent Congress letters supporting the Senate bill.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 3:12 PM
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Whether one wants to argue who is the REAL voice of the Church, the recent letters of support from Catholic leaders has given political cover to those who want to vote yes on HCR.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

It's a Democrat infiltrating Intrade kind of a thing. The CBO score has been manipulated to for the benefit of Intrade short traders.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 18, 2010 3:47 PM
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Or.............the CBO has been infiltrated for the benefit of Intrade. Or the longs have been tricked for the benefit of the short traders. Or the shorts have been tricked for the benefit....Oh, I'm so confused.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

If people were to actually understand what the bill was about [and not a 'government takeover of anything] -- that it was really more about protecting them from a voracious industry, I think there would be much higher polling.

Of course, there are people who hate Democrats so much they would kill themselves if they thought it would hurt the left in some way. They are more invested in defeating anything Dems try than in their own self-interest, so nothing will reach them.

Posted by: drindl
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Just call up and cancel your policy.

Posted by: leapin | March 18, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

During a GOP press conference today, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) issued a far-fetched threat against those Democrats who are considering switching their votes to support health reform. “If you voted no and you vote yes and you lose your election and you think any nomination to a federal position isn’t going to be held in the Senate, I’ve got news for you, it’s going to be held,” Coburn said. Calling Coburn the “holder-in-chief,” Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA) said, “I look forward to those holds.” Watch it:


To be clear, Coburn — who has placed holds on everything from veterans benefits bills to sanctions against a mass-murdering African militia — is targeting the small number of Democrats who switch their votes, and then are subsequently defeated, and later nominated by President Obama for a federal appointment. In other words, Coburn’s threat pertains to a highly improbable event. “There is no limit to what the other side will do to protect the insurance companies,” Speaker Nancy Pelosi said.


Threats, intimidation, lies, harrassments, nothing the wh*res won't do for the industry.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

It's a Democrat infiltrating Intrade kind of a thing. The CBO score has been manipulated to for the benefit of Intrade short traders.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 18, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The CBO numbers are a BIG LIE - how many ACCOUNTING TRICKS ARE IN THOSE NUMBER.

Obama has got to be kidding.

The health care bill is the ENRON OF ALL GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS - DO NOT BE FOOLED.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

The Lynch vote is really really important -


One could see perhaps Kucinich and Guittierez switching from no to yes - so those two are not outside the possible/expected.

Lynch was unexpected.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

ast week, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) stirred faux outrage over the House Democrats’ plan to use a “self-executing rule” to pass the Senate health care reform bill, saying Americans would “have standing to sue against” the bill and that it’s “breathtakingly unconstitutional.” The claim has now turned into the latest fact-free GOP talking point to try to kill reform; Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN) picked up on the theme yesterday. “It really tramples on the Constitution of the United States,” he said on the House floor.

Today, the Daily Caller’s Jon Ward asked Pence if it was “correct” to call the rule “unconstitutional.” “Well I think it’s probably unconstitutional,” he said, adding, “My background in law and constitutional issues suggests to me it’s unconstitutional.” But later in the interview, Pence admitted that he had voted for self-executing rules in the past:

THE DAILY CALLER: My question is, though, that Democrats say you voted for self-executing rules yourself on three occasions.

PENCE: Yeah, sure.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

However, in an “unusual public break,” a group of nuns — “60 leaders of religious orders representing 59,000 Catholic nuns” — has sent Congress a letter urging lawmakers to pass health care reform and ignore the “false claims” floating around about abortion. From the letter:

The health care bill that has been passed by the Senate and that will be voted on by the House will expand coverage to over 30 million uninsured Americans. While it is an imperfect measure, it is a crucial next step in realizing health care for all. It will invest in preventative care. It will bar insurers from denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions. It will make crucial investments in community health centers that largely serve poor women and children. And despite false claims to the contrary, the Senate bill will not provide taxpayer funding for elective abortions. It will uphold longstanding conscience protections and it will make historic new investments – $250 million – in support of pregnant women. This is the REAL pro-life stance, and we as Catholics are all for it.

The bishops are increasingly alone in their position. Last week, both the Catholic Health Association and a group of 25 “pro-life Catholic theologians and Evangelical leaders” also sent Congress letters supporting the Senate bill.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

On Myth#1. Bipartisan is a word of the past. I do not believe we will ever have a bipartisan bill during President Obama,s terms. The Republicans are a very sick party at this time. All the republicans want to do is derail any bill that Obama wants. The Republicans do not care about the American public they only care about themselves. The republicans are being paid by us to disrupt anything they can. It all comes down to the next election for them and I think this time people will not forget about what they are doing soon.

Posted by: swordfish1 | March 18, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"The stench of the lies, manipulation, intimidation, coercion, bribery, corruption, and backroom deals "

The republican party, in a nutshell.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

You are right, 37thand0street. Obama is destroying the democratic party.

We are watching the implosion of the Democratic party as the Obamacare stench becomes more and more disgusting.

The stench of the lies, manipulation, intimidation, coercion, bribery, corruption, and backroom deals to force us to swallow the Obamacare SCAM -- which would destroy our health care, our economy, our freedoms and our country -- has forever tainted the Democratic Party and demonstrate the degree of corruption, bribery and fraud we can expect from Obama and his comrades as they continue to enslave us through their Marxist schemes.

More and more Americans understand there's no longer a Democratic Party. The Democratic Party has been replaced by the Progressive (Marxist) party, controlled by U.S. enemies like George Soros and bent on destroying America using the tactics of their Marxist mentor Saul Alinsky.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | March 18, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Myth No. 1: Obama's operatives like Chris Cillizza are not just trying to manipulate us into swallowing the Obamacare scam.

We are in grave danger as Obama and his comrades are trying to force us to swallow a Marxist scam that would destroy our health care, our economy, our freedoms and our country.

We must do everything in our power to defend ourselves -- and our children and grandchildren -- from Obama's criminal scams.

In the words of Thomas Jefferson, "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."

Posted by: AntonioSosa | March 18, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Myth #1 should be: This will improve America's health care delivery system.

Posted by: kenpasadena | March 18, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

The Bill is bipartisan. Just because there are no republican votes, doesn't mean there are no republican ideas. C'mon Chris, look beyond the votes and look at the substance of the bill. This is a bill that is very similar to the 92/93 republican proposal, it's very similar to the Romney plan from MA. Just because the extreme right wing of the republicans are all that is left in congress, does not mean it's a partisan bill.

Posted by: ChicagoIndependant | March 18, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Those of us who are suffering dying because of no health care insurance need to organize and agree to place "No Health Care Obits" in our newspaper obituaries and funeral mailings to our extended family and friends that we suffered and died as a consequence of denied health care insurance and say that such and such politician voted against health care reform that would have possible made the suffering less or even saved the life. A funeral notice should be sent to those politicians who need to be reminded that they had something to do with someone's death, that their hands are not clean. This statement should become custom for years to come until the last of these politicians are out of off

Posted by: d-seid | March 18, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Of course the bill was a prop. We all have heard endlessly about how long it is. We know. That was pure show and tell to appeal to children, because that's what R's do at all hearings. They will bring outlandish stuff --animals, phony charts, costumes, you name it--anything to distract from actually discussing the matter at hand. Exactly as they do with discussing the process rather than the content -- which they want to avoid at all costs.

If people were to actually understand what the bill was about [and not a 'government takeover of anything] -- that it was really more about protecting them from a voracious industry, I think there would be much higher polling.

Of course, there are people who hate Democrats so much they would kill themselves if they thought it would hurt the left in some way. They are more invested in defeating anything Dems try than in their own self-interest, so nothing will reach them.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Health Care Bill Myth #1:

That a federal bureaucracy that is permitted by the White House to grossly violate the admonition, "FIRST, DO NO HARM" can be trusted to oversee the health and well-being of Americans.

SECRET HOMELAND-LED PROGRAM SILENTLY TORTURES, IMPAIRS, 'SLOW KILLS' AMERICANS WITH NATIONWIDE CELL TOWER MICROWAVE/LASER 'DIRECTED ENERGY' WEAPON SYSTEM: VETERAN JOURNALIST

• Secret Bush-Cheney legacy multi-agency federal-local program uses cell tower/GPS satellite microwave/laser electromagnetic precision "directed energy" RF radiation attack system to silently torture, impair, subjugate "targeted" citizens -- and oversees local police-protected "community watch" vigilante harassment, vandalism, and financial sabotage campaigns.
• Electromagnetic and social neutralization, elimination of "dissidents," undesirables. == POLITICAL LEADERS MAY BE TARGETS. ==
• Why so many cell towers saturate the American landscape -- urban and rural.
• Weapon system patents reveal silent, powerful attack system in YOUR backyard.
• American human rights atrocities, ideological purge, under the cover of national security.
See: poynter.org/subject.asp?id=2 (click "More Reporting, Writing")
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
BUCKS COUNTY, PA- BASED MAGLOCLEN FUSION CENTER: "Central command for a Mid-Atlantic States American Gestapo."
Where is the DOJ/Civil Rights Division Investigation?
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "U.S. SILENTLY TORTURES..." and "GESTAPO USA" ("stories" list).

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 18, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Lipinski said that the Stupak block is holding - that means Obama has high hurdles in his way - in fact, there are about 221 No votes right now.

So Obama has to change 5 votes from no to yes.


Plus Obama has to get 10 undecideds to go yes - and these are people who are afraid that this vote will make them lose the November election. They do not want to do it. They want to vote NO, and try to win in November - they think they can pull through.


Right now, Obama is trying to re-write the talking points and convince people of the bill.

The public has tuned Obama out - no one wants to hear this. They want to hear Obama talk about the economy and jobs - and everytime they hear health insurance, the public says to themselves "this guy is out-of-touch" - Obama is doing nothing but re-enforce that perception. It is a complete disaster - and Obama is destroying the democratic party right now.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Wise111:

What IS the conservative viewpoint on healthcare?

I suspect it's something like what my father always said whenever one of us caught a cold:

"Didn't I always tell you never to get sick?"

Posted by: Bondosan | March 18, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

"Democrats will try to sell the health-care legislation as a jobs bill..."

And indeed it is. After all, who is going to create all this new healthcare?

Health care jobs are sustainable jobs that pay a living wage.

Industry profits and health care wages will not be exported; China can not send us cheap health care on container ships and economic migrants are not skilled health care workers unless they are invited on special visas.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

From the original article, and frankly the most important part fo the whole thing, how much will this matter in 8 months???

"5. How lawmakers vote on health-care reform will be the top issue in the 2010 midterm elections.


Health care will indeed be an important issue in November, but it will be secondary to Americans' concerns about jobs and the economy. In a Gallup poll conducted this month, 31 percent of people identified unemployment as the most pressing issue facing the country, while 24 percent named the "economy in general." Twenty percent chose health care.

In the immediate aftermath of passage (or failure) of a reform bill, health care is likely to experience a bit of a bump in terms of voter priorities in polls, but it will probably recede as anxiety about the economy and the job market reasserts itself. Historically, when the economy is struggling (or is perceived to be struggling), all other issues take a back seat -- hence the successful "it's the economy, stupid" slogan of Bill Clinton's presidential campaign in 1992.

Democrats will try to sell the health-care legislation as a jobs bill by emphasizing the benefits it offers for small businesses. Republicans will cast health-care reform as the biggest piece of evidence that the Obama administration took its eye off the economy at a critical time. Either way, they'll be talking economy first and second (and probably third) on the campaign trail this fall. "

Posted by: AndyR3 | March 18, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Myth #4-This bill isn't a compromise. The republicans said before hand that they wanted no-public option (check), less than 1 trillion over ten years (check), decrease the deficit (check), fix the medicare doughnut (check), tort reform (no), and interstate purchasing (no).

The bill that will pass on Sunday will basically be a compromise. The GOP made a pivotal error when they didn't come to the meeting with Obama with four or five policies that if added they could support the bill. Then THEY could claim a legislative victory since they would have been able to force Tort reform and interstate buying, but by just playing the obstructionists in three months when 60% of the public says that passing HCR was the right thing to do they will be out of luck.

Posted by: AndyR3 | March 18, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Dead wrong, Chris, at least on #1 -- a bipartisan bill was very possible from the very beginning if only we had a President and Congressional leaders (Democrats, in particular) who were genuinely interested in one. About 50% of the Senate bill, minus the pork/special interest provisions and plus some Medicare, Medicaid reform reflect ideas advocated by both Dems and Repubs for YEARS. Where have you been?

Posted by: Exile_in_Philly | March 18, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Re: comment "republicans came armed for rhetorical battle ... copies of massive bills as props ... no bipartison compromise. First of all - although certainly visual, one can hardly claim that the actual bill is merely a prop. Something like, say, a broom would be a prop. It was there to make a literal point as to some of the Republican objections. Can the Post have as even one of their news reporters, someone who is objective? Honestly, if there was a poll of their health care reporting staff, do you think any would side with the conservative viewpoint on healthcare? Honestly?

Posted by: Wise111 | March 18, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

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