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Assessing the Wilson Fallout: A Re-Energized Democratic Base



Rep. Joe Wilson has helped energize the Democratic base with his comment last night. Photo by Melina Mara of the Washington Post

While judging just how much political damage Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) did to himself -- and his party -- last night remains a work in progress, his now-infamous "You lie!" line has had one clear effect: re-energizing the Democratic base.

Moveon.org, the largest and most active organization on the liberal left, sent an e-mail to its supporters this morning focused on Wilson's comments. "We can't afford to let right-wing extremists like Joe Wilson hold health care reform hostage," read the e-mail, which asked those who received it to sign an online petition in support of the President' health care plan.

"It's up to Congress to act," read the e-mail. "Sign the petition now to make sure they're not held hostage by right-wing extremists."

The Democratic National Committee is picking up on that grassroots energy as well -- 381,000 people have signed a letter asking their members of Congress to back the reform proposal put forward by the President; nearly $1 million had been raised since the president spoke without a specific solicitation being put forward from the DNC.

And, of course, there is the ever-growing fundraising totals for Democrat Rob Miller who is challenging Wilson in 2010. (Miller had raised $400,000 from more than 11,000 donors since Wilson's remark.)

For the last several weeks, the President has watched as the liberal left -- his strongest supporters during the campaign -- grew increasingly frustrated with his handling of the health care issue, specifically the debate over whether or not there should be a public option in the bill.

In an April Washington Post/ABC News poll 81 percent of liberals approved of the job Obama was doing on health care while 70 percent said the same in August; 90 percent of liberals said they had a "great deal" or a "good amount" confidence in Obama's ability to "make the right decisions for the country's future" in April -- by August that number had dipped to 78 percent.

But, what Wilson's words seem to have done is to remind liberals that when compared to the alternative, the plan being put forward by Obama is far better.

This re-energizing of the party base -- assuming it continues beyond the immediate aftermath of Obama's speech -- is an absolutely critical component of success on health care for the Administration.

During the 2008 presidential campaign and in the first eight months in the White House, Obama and his inner circle have relied heavily on a "bottom up" approach. That is, they use an energized grassroots army to sell policies to undecided elected officials.

Up until last night, the party base seemed to have soured on serving as the foot soldiers in the Obama army. Thanks to Joe Wilson, the White House might have solved that problem.

By Chris Cillizza  |  September 10, 2009; 4:19 PM ET
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Following the stone-age manners of Rep Wilson, it is very evident that President Obama has reached the finals of community organizing for health insurance reform. It is now time for him to shift gears into the leadership role. Legislative contacts, town hall meetings, and personal contacts have strengthened our comments to those who make the laws. May I give the first shout-out to the congress to "fish or cut bait" and get this legislation into final form so we know what it will really cover?

Also given the tenor of postings to the many blogs, may I request an online course in how to do the kind of research of such documents so that the misunderstandings are minimized and such outbursts of lousy manners are distinctly reduced if not removed completely.

I have offered many postings of my proposal for ER re-setting of design. 1) have each facility provide the retail model of nurse practitioner for the milder medical needs. 2) Have same facility bring a "clinic" section for those who have no primary care provider but do not have major injury or illness. 3) Have certified personnel make the inital assign-ment of patients to the 3 divisions of the ER. 4) Give the retail and clinic areas the right to rapid reassignment to the higher level of care if it is deemed advisable.

Posted by: maab76 | September 14, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Hey PurlGurl you really ought to try be less swinish here. Ugh, reading your posts makes me want a shower and a Tylenol.

Why is medical care for illegals the pivotal issue here? Not for any substantive reason, that's for sure, if you cared about keeping costs down you'd be writing about preventive care like exercise, staying thin, quitting tobacco.

I notice also you have nothing to say about getting rid of illegals, and why would you, you's A-OK with wealthy Republican agriculture bosses hiring them for starvation wages to save you a little money.

You're singling out the most helpless and downtrodden people in this country and using them as a despicable wedge issue and demanding that their lives be made a little worse, piling on more misery, demanding that their illnesses and injuries go untreated.

You have the morals of a centipede.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 12, 2009 1:37 AM | Report abuse

A notion few are discussing is since Joe yelled out a bit of truth, suddenly Capitol Hill is addressing the very issue for which Joe is being "punished".

Joe spoke truth, he is chastised and now Democrats are addressing this illegal alien issue which is their conceding there is a problem, conceding Obama is, in fact, lying to America.

This is clear rancid hypocrisy on the part of Democrats and left liberals.

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation
Puma Politics

Posted by: PurlGurl | September 11, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I knew that $200,000 sounded really low:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/09/scs_wilson_rakes_in_750000_in.html

I still maintain that Rep. Wilson could have doubled that had he refused to apologize and called a press conference to explain exactly how pResident Obama is lying.

Posted by: JakeD | September 11, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the double negative there (darn Spellchecker ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 11, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I should also note how refreshing it is to not have "GoldAndTanzanite" (previously "chrisfox8" who was banned) not posting today. I think we really had a great discussion about the extent of federal healthcare and illegal immigration.

Posted by: JakeD | September 11, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Donate to Rep. Joe Wilson here:

https://www.completecampaigns.com/public.asp?name=Wilson&page=2

If you prefer to mail a check the old fashioned way:

Joe Wilson for Congress
P.O. Box 2145
West Columbia, SC 29171

Posted by: JakeD | September 11, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe:

I told you that I was not the only one who contributed to Rep. Wilson after he called out pResident Obama for lying.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/11/defiant-wilson-raises-more-than-200000-after-outburst/

Posted by: JakeD | September 11, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

alesterp:

Were you similarly outraged by the BOOS shouted be Dems during GWB's State of the Union address? Sen. Harry Reid specifically denounced GWB as a "liar" and BOASTED about not apologizing. How consistent are you being?

Posted by: JakeD | September 11, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Once again I find that ignorance is bliss in those who follow Republican party ill-informed leadership. Joe Wilson should have immediately been removed from the Chamber. President Obama is the Commander in Chief, the President of our country. You may not like him or his politics, but you should respect his rank and position. It was a disrespectful, deplorable and unnecessary outburst by Joe Wilson. Once again, being a resident of South Carolina, one of our Republican leaders has embarassed us. I plan to work with other informed voters in South Carolina to see that people like Joe Wilson and any other non-forward thinking Republican running for re-election in 2010 be unseated. But, regrettably, not being from the Southland, I have grown to witness the type of leadership in South Carolina. Most of South Carolina leadership...not all...but a huge majority of are old-thinking, misinformed, with 'sheets in their closets' white men and women who have for years taken this state to a strong last place finish in education, wages, job creation,etc. Most are still suffering from the disease of known as the Master/Slave relationship. If President Obama was a Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, any entertainer, Joe Wilson would be 'clapping and cheering' but let someone like President Obama try to help lead Joe Wilson and others like him out of the abyss President Bush put this country in, and he's a liar...nobody you should be 'clapping and cheering for'. Go figure, that's South Carolina Republican leadership!

Posted by: alesterp | September 11, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm amazed by those who think this outburst or your lame protests donn09 are. An invasive adminustration that takes your freedom? is that right?

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN FOR 8 YEARS

HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE PATRIOT ACT

THATS WHERE THEY LET YOU KEEP YOUR GUNS AND TAKE YOUR FREEDOMS. I'VE READ THE FINANCIAL PORTION AND THAT COSTS US HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS TO OUR ECONOMY

WHAT OF THE LIE AND 150000 DEAD (I COUNTBOTH SIDES)
THE 75000 US INJURED AND THE BACK DOOR DRAFT OF THE LAST 8 YEARS

FORGIVE ME BUT IF I HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN BUSH AND PRESIDENT GOODY TWO SHOES

well do you have to ask

that said rep Wilson has the right to be wrong.

Posted by: scarletknight | September 11, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson acted in a childish and impulsive fashion...indisputably a breach of decorum. Rather reminiscent of the boy who naively blurted out that the emperor was wearing no clothes.

But let us not forget who it was that began throwing around the words "lie" and "lying" Wednesday night. Twas our dear leader himself who got down in the gutter and set a bad example for "juvenile" Joe.

Posted by: CincinnatiRIck | September 11, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

JOE WILSON SPEAKS FOR ALL WHO HAVE NOT YET DISCOVERED THE CAPS LOCK KEY ON THEIR KEYBOARD! GOD SAVE US FROM BLACK PEOPLE! JOHN BIRCH RULES!! PARANOIA IS FUN! WHOOOO!!

Posted by: nodebris | September 11, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

JOE WILSON IS THE ONE PERSON WHO IN ONE INSTANT SPOKE FOR ALL WHO ARE TRYING TO PROTECT OUR COUNTRY FROM BEING TAKEN OVER BY AN ADMINISTRATION WHO WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO ATTAIN THEIR GOAL, THAT GOAL BEING TO BE INVASIVE AND CONTROL OUR VERY LIVES! OBAMA SEEMS TO THINK HE CAN SAY ANYTHING HE WANTS AND WE WILL BELIEVE HIM! WELL, HE IS MISCALCULATING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EVERYDAY!! FROM THE VERY BEGINNING HIS CHANGE HAS NOT BEEN THE CHANGE THAT PEOPLE VOTED FOR! NOW WE DON'T BELIEVE HIM ANYMORE! WHEN WILL HE BEGIN SQUARING WITH US?? I DON'T THINK HE CAN OR WILL! HIS AGENDA WON'T ALLOW HIM TO!! MORE JOE WILSON'S ARE NEEDED IN CONGRESS AND THE SENATE IN ORDER TO SAVE THE REPUBLIC!!

Posted by: donn09 | September 11, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

And the Post itself analyzes the immigrant coverage issue here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/10/AR2009091004276.html?hpid=topnews

I've yet to see a non-polemical analysis that gives much credence to GOP charges.

Posted by: nodebris | September 11, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

If anyone is interested in what CRS actually says about HR 3200 and immigrants, rather than what GOP polemicists say it says, here's CRS's own summary:

http://opencrs.com/document/R40773/

Posted by: nodebris | September 11, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Oh Please, what a load of you know what. One of the best ways to gauge passion these days on any issue with liberals is the trending topics on twitter. Since Joe Wilson has dropped from number 1 to number 10 in just 1 day is testament this is dying out. Not only will Wilson win re-election, but he will out perform his opponent in fundraising. Nice try though, trying to save the Democrat bloodbath that is 2010.

Posted by: geraldmerits | September 11, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Wilson forced nonDemocrats to focus and notice that the image in front of them was smoky and lacked substance. Those who bothered to watch were either high from the soaring oration, or disappointed by the rhetoric that failed to match the reality we call life.

Posted by: rich15 | September 11, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Dream on rudeedcomm. The entire country is disgusted with this scam artist of a president and his Code Pink, ACORN and MoveOn.org supporters. Obama's ratings continue to plunge and Representative Wilson is the darling of the blogs and online discussions outside of the warm and tingly, wet legged media. So, open some windows, let some air in the house, and dream of ObamaCare. I’ll leave you and all of the other “midnight leftists” for now to bang out your hate on your keyboards unchallenged.

Posted by: OIFVet06 | September 11, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Dear lord, it is 12:05 am, on September 11th, 2009 and the party of NO is still trying to spin dimwit Wilson's fiasco, face it guys, you shot yourself in the foot, everyone now knows what they have always suspected that the so-called anger at recent town halls were orchestrated by the GOP and their insurance backers..we saw the proof on Wednesday, it is over..no ideas, no plans, no connection, just lies, insults and gibberish, the party of NO in 2009...let us reflect on those who lost their lives eight years ago, and bless those defending the nation today..

Posted by: ruraledcomm | September 11, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Wilson not only shamed his party , he shamed a Nation. The fallout well be long lasting and marginalize a tainted party to the point of poison.This radical fringe group of extremist does not set well with middle America "period".

Posted by: cakemanjb | September 11, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Your research is on target PurlGurl. Congressional Research Service and Federation for American Immigration Reform have revealed Obama and Pelosi for the bald faced liars that they really are. Representative Joe Wilson was right. Ironically, there is a grass roots groundswell taking place in his state and the country to make darn sure Wilson is re-elected. According to the blogs and online discussions, Joe Wilson is the most popular and most liked person on Capitol Hill right now. The facts about Obama will always tell, and they’re not telling a happy story about now.

Posted by: OIFVet06 | September 10, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Our Congressional Research Service (CRS) previously reports illegal aliens will be covered under HR3200. This CRS is a government agency which performs research for Congress. CRS is a highly credible source.

Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) also reports the same; illegal aliens are covered by HR3200.

Two credible sources there, both contradicting Obama. Rather clear Obama did and is lying to America, as are most left liberals.

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation
Puma Politics

Posted by: PurlGurl | September 10, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Stop with the RPaul already. I keep reading RuPaul and picturing the Congressman in tranny tights and a pink fro blown out to h e r e !

Posted by: margaretmeyers | September 10, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

In honor of Letichia Baldridge, Jacqueline Kennedy Onasis and all that represents yin energy (kind and civilized) in America...

Just contributed $50 via Wesley Clark's PAC. WesPAC.

Posted by: MollieKaye | September 10, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

In honor of Letichia Baldridge, Jacqueline Kennedy Onasis and all that represents yin energy (kind and civilized) in America...

Just contributed $50 via Wesley Clark's PAC. WesPAC.

Posted by: MollieKaye | September 10, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Contributions to Wilson's opponent, Rob Miller, has just reached $600,000 on ActBlue. In less than 24 hrs.

Posted by: jandmward | September 10, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

G&T: Turns out RPaul was no libertarian. That was a media-enabled reinvention, a bogus pose for his campaign. The real deal on Mr. Paul is in the Atlantic article. It's pretty awful: Glenn Beck squared.

==

I always figured him for an attention-wh0re and nothing more.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

G&T: Turns out RPaul was no libertarian. That was a media-enabled reinvention, a bogus pose for his campaign. The real deal on Mr. Paul is in the Atlantic article. It's pretty awful: Glenn Beck squared.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 10, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Yes, China will keep lending us money.

That has nothing to do with GM's new offer, however. Just because we own the majority of GM's worthless stock doesn't mean we'll keep giving them more money.

And don't forget to ask that nice salesman about the colostomy exemption for the ZR1.

Posted by: yeswiican | September 10, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Before this space posts anymore about Ron Paul's "revolution," it REALLY needs to take a look at this Atlantic article.

RPaul is WAY out of control. Of course hardly any of this was reported in the mainstream media.

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/angry-white-man?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 10, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

ewww, Jakie. I hope you wash your hands after you visit a site like that. At least before you come back here.

Posted by: yeswiican | September 10, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Meh, don't be TOO hard on the libertarians. They are far better than the typical Republican. It's usually a case of them just not having thought things through. These guys are a lot more amenable to history and logic. I personally know a number of Ron Paul supporters who voted for Obama since Paul didn't win the Republican nomination. Libertarians are free marketers, but they are usually anti creationism, anti war, and support gay marriage.

If you turn your derision dial up to eleven for these guys, you've got nowhere to go for the real trash.

==

Most libertarians I've met are worse than Republicans. Yeah they may be down on the social conservative issues, and they smoke pot, but they will look you in the eye and say they would rather see people starving on the sidewalks than pay an extra dollar per year in tax, where Republicans will at the very least dog-whistle that sentiment.

Short answer: anyone who uses the phrase "my money" in a public policy discussion is no better than what I wipe off the bottom of my shoe after walking through a dog's yard.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PurileGurl

Posted by: JRM2 | September 10, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey, CC!

Maybe, just maybe, the democratic base is re-energized because of a great no-nonsense speech.

Sure, the donations to Wilson's opponent are due to his recto-cranial inversion, but do you have to give the Republicans the credit for everything?

Posted by: yeswiican | September 10, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

"LOL!!! I'm certainly not the only one who donated to Rep. Joe Wilson.

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 4:39 PM"
_______

Yeah, you are. :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 10, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

yeswiican (just got an e-mail):

"Thank you for your request for information. This confirms that your Internet request has been received ...

One of our Internet professionals will contact you shortly with the information you requested. Their specialty is working with Internet customers helping to make your shopping experience as simple and easy as possible."

Sound like I could be driving my FREE Corvette rental car as early as September 14th! Who cares, China will keep lending us the money, right?

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

"Steelers are on in ten minutes. Out.

Posted by: broadwayjoe"

They start counting now, right? Man, time flies fast

Posted by: DDAWD | September 10, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

You're confused, mcfalls. Ambassador Joe Wilson spoke truth to power. Congressman Joe Wilson broke House rules and energized the Democratic base.

Easy mistake to make.

Posted by: yeswiican | September 10, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Fired up. Ready to go. Thanks to BHO (speech). Again, 44 was AWESOME.

Steelers are on in ten minutes. Out.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 10, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry, yeswiican. I am supposed to be contacted by the Internet Manager from the local Chevy dealer shortly, and I will go over the fine print.

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Great job Joe Wilson!! Truth to power.

Posted by: mcfallspolitics | September 10, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Jake. We have a no-colostomy-bag rule on the Corvette ZR1. The bags break too often when you hit the gas at a green light.

Posted by: yeswiican | September 10, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

On top of the MONEY BACK GUARANTEE, Corvettes get 0% APR for qualified "buyers" LOL!!!

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and if you really want the roadster Jake, you'll be wanting extra glue for your hairpiece. Don't get any of that on the headrests either, or you can't return it.

Posted by: yeswiican | September 10, 2009 8:12 PM
________
That was great. Reminded me of a couple years ago when about every block you'd see some old bald guy driving his red Miata convertible with the top down.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 10, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Or, maybe I will get this one for 59 day free rental:

http://www.chevrolet.com/vehicles/2009/corvettezr1/overview.do

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

@G&T: Fix's post didn't quite spell out the "revolution" Ron Paul seeks to foment.

This excerpt kinda fills in the blanks for us. Not the kind of revolution I'd be publicizing:

From a CNN article--

"A series of newsletters in the name of GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul contain several racist remarks -- including one that says order was restored to Los Angeles after the 1992 riots when blacks went "to pick up their welfare checks." ...

The controversial newsletters include rants against the Israeli lobby, gays, AIDS victims and Martin Luther King Jr. -- described as a "pro-Communist philanderer." One newsletter, from June 1992, right after the LA riots, says "order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks."

Another says, "The criminals who terrorize our cities -- in riots and on every non-riot day -- are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are. As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to 'fight the power,' to steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible.""

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/
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Of course, Ron Paul claimed he had nothing to do with the "RON PAUL newsletters." And Grant's not in GRANT's tomb. LOL.

Por favor. No Ron Paul in 2012, Pawlenty in 2012, Palin in 2012, and so on.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 10, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and if you really want the roadster Jake, you'll be wanting extra glue for your hairpiece. Don't get any of that on the headrests either, or you can't return it.

Posted by: yeswiican | September 10, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

You can be sure that I will read the fine print ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

GM is toast, it is being helped off the stage so the people who work there don't do the damage to the recovery they would otherwise.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 10, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

But be sure not to "pray" for the Cadillac unless you DON'T want it.

Posted by: yeswiican | September 10, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Jake! We appreciate the business. Just be sure to read the fine print. Oh, and don't eat or drink or smoke in it. And be sure to keep it under 50 mph for the first 1000 miles. Have fun!

Posted by: yeswiican | September 10, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

"@BWJ: a Ron Paul post is certain to get lots of hits from a certain variety of half-educated redneck who believes that inverting logic reveals innovative thinking. Just look at the zombies filling that thread with revisionist BS.

It's all about the hit counts; when Froomkins comments fell off after the election, he got the push.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite "

Meh, don't be TOO hard on the libertarians. They are far better than the typical Republican. It's usually a case of them just not having thought things through. These guys are a lot more amenable to history and logic. I personally know a number of Ron Paul supporters who voted for Obama since Paul didn't win the Republican nomination. Libertarians are free marketers, but they are usually anti creationism, anti war, and support gay marriage.

If you turn your derision dial up to eleven for these guys, you've got nowhere to go for the real trash.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 10, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

yeswiican:

I'm thinking about "buying" the new Cadillac roadster -- putting 3,999 miles on it and returning it on the 59th day -- just to screw up GM's majority "shareholder" (better than spending money on a rental car ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

The GM marketing ploy is clever. Not unlike the "bring it back" campaigns that Hyundai and others ran back in the spring.

I think we can safely wait until GM is back in the black before we worry about them dominating the market. And btw, the govt. is only a shareholder in GM. It does not set company policy.

Posted by: yeswiican | September 10, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

@BWJ: a Ron Paul post is certain to get lots of hits from a certain variety of half-educated redneck who believes that inverting logic reveals innovative thinking. Just look at the zombies filling that thread with revisionist BS.

It's all about the hit counts; when Froomkins comments fell off after the election, he got the push.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Okpulot Taha,

You are aware that all white people were once considered illegal aliens by your people.

The great majority of "Hispanic" migrants are Native Americans, Indians if you will.
They may or may not speak Spanish, but their ancestors were here before the Spaniards, before the English.

I am sure you know this. But I just wonder why you are using your Indian credential here. Why are you all fired up about the poorest people on the continent?

Let me cut to the chase, do you think you might be getting used by somebody who likes to split disenfranchised people? Were you aware the Republican Presidents did nothing (nothing real) to stop the illegal migrations? It turns out, their industry masters need illegal workers, otherwise, they might have to pay people according to law.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 10, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Thank YOU Joe Wilson!!

I signed the MoveOn petition, wrote my Senators and Congresswoman, and donated to Wilson's challenger, Rob Miller.

In my area there was a "Stand Up for HealthCare" rally--they showed it on the local news.

What else can we do?
Fired up! Ready to GO!

Posted by: yeswiican | September 10, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Lurkers:

I know that DDAWD won't (can't) respond, but you know that FactCheck.org is NOT "invested" in Obama failing telling lies about federal money for abortions. CHeck it out for yourselves:

http://factcheck.org/2009/08/abortion-which-side-is-fabricating/

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Totally co-sign DD's post.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 10, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

"His analysis seems to have ceased and he's now little more than a conduit for GOP talking points, with naked supperating biases toward Republicans."

No way. Snark. I am sure there are a lot of progressive blogs that NEVER say anything positive about the President, yet regularly feature items such as:

Odes to the Ron Paul "revolution" (What the _____?)

Free pub for the Ron Paul "heirs" (is anybody else in the Western World writing about those three knuckleheads?)

Free pub for obscure GOP candidates in obscure districts that show up only in the RNC database (I'm sure the Post's Business Dept. would prefer they buy an ad.)

Screaming that the most important number in politics is some bogus internal RNC poll showing--surprise!--the GOP is doing just fine

Endless Palin (or Pawlenty) in 2012 posts

Chip (Barack the Magic N_gro CD) Salsman shoutouts

And, of course...

GOP COMEBACK!
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Good grief. Is this the Washington Post or the Washington Times (or the NY Post)?

Let's see if the new BHO and Obamacare approval numbers are posted here as "the most important numbers in politics"? :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 10, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Here's another problem with government-sponsored healthcare: today, GM (with the backing of the full faith and credit of U.S. Treasury) announced a 60-day MONEY BACK GUARANTEE on all Chevrolet, Buick, GMC and Cadillac vehicles, except for medium-duty trucks, sold between September 14 and November 30. Now, how is Ford or Toyota (let alone Blue Cross or Blue Shield) supposed to compete with that?

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

"BHO was incredible. CNN polls show 66% of Americans now support Obamacare, an increase of about 14%. (That's a far more important number than an internal RNC poll about generic support for the GOP that nobody in the real world believes.)"

This is exactly what he did for the stimulus package. He told us what the problem is, what needed to be done, and why. He did it in very simple terms that the average American can understand. He did the same thing for his health care plan. Once people got a chance to listen to him cut through the lies, they liked the plan. People want health care reform, but they were being fed so many lies by the mainstream media that it caused them to understandably flinch. This is a big deal and not always easy to understand. You have those who are invested in it failing and they feed us lies about death panels, federal money for abortions, non ER care for illegals.

But among those who are invested in seeing this succeed, they have the loudest and most effective voice in Barack Hussein Obama. No one else could have given that speech that he gave yesterday and it was a game changer.

Posted by: DDAWD | September 10, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Illegal aliens might GET health care under the proposed plan (as they do now) but the plan does not PROVIDE them with health care. THAT is a lie.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | September 10, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Those clauses were stripped out by Democrats. Intent is clear.

==

Yeah, we don't want brown-skinned people bleeding to death while some stupid hospital administrator with three gold crucifixes around her neck waits for a birth certificate.

Go play in the traffic, would you?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Debate here is not whether are not we should have health care reform. We all agree there is a dire need for reform.

Debate is about Obama’s speech last night and about his telling lies to America and our world. Others have pointed to various lies told by Obama. I am focusing on illegal aliens because this is the most obvious and most costly lie told by Obama. Our Joe Wilson was right to call him out; political correctness does not excuse lying by our president.

HR3200 contains a clause which denies health coverage to illegal aliens. Previously, HR3200 contained clauses for checking for citizenship. Those clauses were stripped out by Democrats. Intent is clear.

At a federal level, at state levels and at municipal levels there are laws forbidding checking for illegal alien status. Government officials, law enforcement, others, are not allowed to ask, “Are you a legal citizen of America?”

There is no provision for enforcement of denying health care coverage to illegal aliens. Those folks will be given health care coverage through government subsidies which is fancy wording for “taxpayer money”.

An analogy is a city sets a speed limit in a neighborhood of 25 miles per hour. This city’s police department announces, “We will not enforce this speed limit.”

This is Obama’s lie on illegal aliens. Health care coverage will be provided to illegal aliens and estimates are this coverage will cost taxpayers about 30 billion a year.

Obama has been lying, lied last night and will continue to lie. This is the true issue; our president is a liar.

Joe Wilson displays he is a true American patriot; he called out Obama for his lying to America. Joe Wilson is to be commended for his bravery of standing up under a national stage light and saying, “You lie.”

Obama lied to America. Joe Wilson stood up for America.

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation
Puma Politics

Posted by: PurlGurl | September 10, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe:

Neither evidence nor facts will dissuade you and pResident Obama from falsely denying the CURRENT draft of H.R. 3200 will provide coverage for illegal aliens and abortions.

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, G&T, I didn't see your direct link to Miller's campaign.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 10, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Richard Cohen's take in the Post today on Wilson's stupid racist meltdown:

"Obama is president in the standard way. But his illegitimacy continues to be questioned by the “birthers,” who insist he is not a native-born American, who demand to see the president’s birth certificate, and then, when they see it, insist it cannot be genuine. Neither evidence nor facts will dissuade them because they are the throes of an irrationality based on bigotry. An American president must be -- ought to be -- white.

Some of the same ugly feeling was present in the House chamber Wednesday night. The lack of respect shown the president of the United States was both appalling and shocking. Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) yelled “You lie,” when Obama said that his health care proposal would not cover illegal aliens. Other Republicans held up placards saying “What Plan?” or “What Bill?” as Obama was speaking. The Party of Rudeness had outdone itself."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2009/09/racisim_in_the_house_chamber.html
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BTW, after the racist rant, Wilson's opponent (Miller) raised 400,000, MOSTLY from DailyKos bloggers. (BTW, Pls. go to DailyKos if you want to contribute to Miller.)

BHO was incredible. CNN polls show 66% of Americans now support Obamacare, an increase of about 14%. (That's a far more important number than an internal RNC poll about generic support for the GOP that nobody in the real world believes.)

With his address last night, BHO finally went from Jackie Robinson to Jack Johnson. Knock-out. Thank you for coming.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | September 10, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, perhaps the entire State of South Carolina "HATES" Barack Obama, but I don't. I still think he lied about Obamacare not covering illegal aliens. As I pointed out to "Okpulot Taha" (below), the current draft of H.R. 3200 would cover abortion too.

http://factcheck.org/2009/08/abortion-which-side-is-fabricating/

Luckily, for all of us, "dcwsano" assures me that will be changed.

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Rep.Wilson has embarrassed himself, his State, his district and his party, although the latter is hard to do. He should be reprimanded by Congress and stand in the well of Congress while the republican leader of the house reads the reprimand. He than should formally apologies to both the House, which he has disgraced and to the President whom he has insulted. As for re-election next year, not from a reputable state but than, this is South Carolina where they HATE this BLACK President.

Posted by: Opa2 | September 10, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link, MinM. I sent my emails right away!
I love my government administered health plan provided to federal employees. You can have it, too, JUST LIKE THE SENATORS! Really. Well-defined coverage presented at competitive prices and provided by the same insurers you already use!

Check it out: http://www.opm.gov/insure/health/planinfo/index.asp

Posted by: margaretmeyers | September 10, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

dcwsano:

I'll breathe a sigh of relief once the final bill does not have a public option and no abortions are covered. Thanks for the progress report though : )

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Anti-choice foes of Obama are misrepresenting the abortion/health reform issue.

Most health insurance plans already have a provision for payment of abortions, at least in some circumstances (insurance companies pay out less for an abortion than they do for a full-term pregnancy, so they are happy to cover it). The House bills would leave that alone, no change.

They would also allow the public plan to cover abortions. However, one, the public plan is probably already gone, and two, if there is some kind of public plan in the final bill enacted and signed, it will almost certainly not allow payment for abortions, that is too much of a hot button issue.

This is just another red herring being thrown out by the GOP to try to undermine Obama by defeating health care reform.

Posted by: dcwsano | September 10, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Where is the super cop Sergeant Crowley, I think he will do his duty by serving the misbehaved redneck Joe Wilson with handcuff and book him. Redneck on redneck.

Posted by: js_f | September 10, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Well Wilson better run to the nearest microphone and say he was doing crack that day, or come up with some "taking leave of senses" explanation, because as it stands now he just gave the Democrats a bigger boost than a Sarah Palin candidacy would.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

If all is true that is said by people who know Rep Wilson(HE IS A OUTSTANDING PERSON) then i would think he was(1) drunk (2)using drugs.or he has lost all control of reasonable thinking due to mental stress. The party has enough of bad poll numbers, and they do not need him, can you trust him not to make a remark to a persons motherhood, throw a punch!!!

We do live in a country that you must test for drugs to drive a truck, but not for a goverment seat.

Posted by: dv1236 | September 10, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

ChrisC was vastly informative during the campaign but something has gone amiss since then. His analysis seems to have ceased and he's now little more than a conduit for GOP talking points, with naked supperating biases toward Republicans.

Some of the short videos he did during the campaign were Froomkinesque in their insight, all we get since then is Republican boosterism and shallow "insights" like the one you posted.

I don't think he Got Stupid, I think he's gotten his or-else marching orders.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I love Barak Obama.

Two weeks ago I said he was either the political genius of our generation, or a guy only knew how to take advantage of public revulsion from the Clintons/McBush/Palin alternatives.

Not one dime added to the deficit is BALDERDASH, everyone, e-v-e-r-y-o-n-e knows it is a lie and: no one cares.

We care about the guy who yelled, "You are a liar!" about illegal migrants and whether they will get any benefit from the our health care stimulus package super$$$$.

Barak Obama is unbelievable. Literally, figuratively, he is the political genius of our time. You just have to stand back and admire this, like a work of art.

I am glad I donated the limit to his campaign. He makes me smile.

Posted by: shrink2 | September 10, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Saw Cillizza on Hardball, and he was saying that all the money that came in nationally for Elwyn Tinklenberg's run against Michele Bachman 2 weeks prior to the election didn't defeat Bachmann - BUT what Cilizza forgets, is that old adage, "early money is better than late money". When Tink got all that cash, alot of the airtime was sold already, and there were a variety of things that it was TOO late to do... So go ahead and donate to Miller - he's got plenty of time to do alot of good with those dollars!

Posted by: daytime77 | September 10, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA Loves A.C.O.R.N.!?!?!?! Gave ACORN Billions of Dollars, wants ACORN to be apart of the 2010 U.S. Census?!?! WATCH THESE VIDEOS!!! (You'll have to Cut & Paste the Links into your browser because the Post took away the ability to allow links in comments) PART I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOw-yOLstRQ PART II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNYU9PamIZk

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It's not fashionable anymore to demonstrate across-the-board ineptitude in the process of trying to make a point. Learn to write English before you post, and learn to handle URLs before you paste.

You write like an idiot.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Should Congressman Joe Wilson be censured?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=6121

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Running 7:1 in favor of censure, and that's no doubt with gooper trolls frantically trying to skew it in the caveman's favor.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

usadblake:

No.

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Well, suffer, I suppose you can always appeal to incoherent paranoia if no other argument is working for you . . . I especially like the idiosyncratic!!!?!?!?!? use!????!!!!!?!?! of !!??? PUNCTUATION!!!!!??????

Posted by: nodebris | September 10, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Should Congressman Joe Wilson be censured?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=6121

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Posted by: usadblake | September 10, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

n the 18 hours since Wilson's little indulgence, the DNC has raised over $1 million in unsolicited online donations, from 381,000 donors.

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AND AH HEPPED

Donate directly to Wilson's 2010 opponent:

http://www.robmillerforcongress.com

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA Loves A.C.O.R.N.!?!?!?! Gave ACORN Billions of Dollars, wants ACORN to be apart of the 2010 U.S. Census?!?! WATCH THESE VIDEOS!!! (You'll have to Cut & Paste the Links into your browser because the Post took away the ability to allow links in comments) PART I: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOw-yOLstRQ PART II: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNYU9PamIZk

Posted by: Suffer | September 10, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

In the 18 hours since Wilson's little indulgence, the DNC has raised over $1 million in unsolicited online donations, from 381,000 donors.

"It's just a flesh wound!"

Posted by: nodebris | September 10, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"As for the House bill as it stands now, it’s a matter of fact that it would allow both a 'public plan' and newly subsidized private plans to cover all abortions."

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Okpulot Taha:

I've already pointed out the "not a dime will be added to the deficit" and "no illegal alien will get Obamacare" lies on the previous thread. In addition, re: the so-called “death panels” they’re already in operation in other countries with socialized medicine, and even in areas of the United States like Oregon and Massachusetts, and the groundwork is being laid in H.R. 3200 for severe rationing (luckily, end-of-life "counseling" as they like to say, was taken out of the Senate bill after Gov. Palin pointed it out). Re: abortions being paid for under Obamacare, the Dems have refused to permit a specific amendment prohibiting that and it is allowed under the current draft http://factcheck.org/2009/08/abortion-which-side-is-fabricating/

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Reviewing the whole episode, I can't help thinking of Monty Python's Black Knight scene in Holy Grail. Obama being Arthur, politely requesting that the Black Knight (GOP) join him in Camelot, and on we go from there . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

"It's only a flesh wound!"

Posted by: nodebris | September 10, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

There is a serious problem with Obama's speech. Personally, I caught Obama lying several times.

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Yet despite all that pompous verbiage you didn't get around to enumerating the lies.

I think it's pretty clear who the liar is here, and that would be you.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Okpulot Taha.

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

There is a serious problem with Obama's speech. Personally, I caught Obama lying several times. Those lies of Obama will come to light, will come to the forefront of discussions. Obama lying not only to America but also lying to our entire world is extremely offensive and certainly deserving of having a person shout out "you lie" in anger.

I would have enjoyed being there in the chamber to throw rotten tomatoes and heads of cabbage at Obama; I do not tolerate liars.

Consensus estimates are about 6 million illegal aliens will be insured by Obama's health plan at a cost of roughly 30 billion dollars a year for American taxpayers. This is offensive. This angers me.

Obama is a habitual liar. He must be called out on his lying even if during a joint session of Congress. Obama lying to America is extremely dangerous.

What other lies is Obama telling us?

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation
Puma Politics

Posted by: PurlGurl | September 10, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

See, koolkat, he wants you to correct him and point out that you were referring to Wilson. Isn't that just adorable how he tries to find ways to get responses?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Well what else do you expect from two-legged garbage?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that Mr. Cillizza is "a low-level, classless scumbag." I am just sick and tired of GoldAndTanzanite (fks chrisfox8) and drindl lying about him all the time. You would think if they disagree so much with our gracious host, they wouldn't come back time after time.

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the alleged Stanford Law grad expresses his admiration for a low-level, classless scumbag.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | September 10, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Communist sympathi[z]ers!

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Did you just step out of a time capsule or something?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"Interestingly, the Democrats on the Hill are not taking this opportunity to censure or otherwise alienate Joe Wilson.

Why not?

My guess is that they recognize that President Obama WAS lying, and so to bring the whole thing out would not be beneficial to their cause.

My God, I mean I even saw Nancy Pelosi say something today to the effect of "he apologized, let's move on". Usually pols don't let a chance like this go to waste, as Rahm would say.

Posted by: boosterprez | September 10, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse"

Err they are using it. Some are taking the high road while others use it to raise money for certain canidates or apply pressure to certain elected representives.

Please take a minute before you post....

Posted by: ModerateVoter | September 10, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Dream on lib America--haters and Communist sympathisers! Rep. Joe Wilson will get a h*** of a lot MORE votes for daring to tell the truth on Comrade Obama's Voodoo Health Care Plan, than votes he'll lose because of it. Right on Joe Wilson!!!

Posted by: armpeg | September 10, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Thank God you are gone tomorrow (hopefully longer).

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Interestingly, the Democrats on the Hill are not taking this opportunity to censure or otherwise alienate Joe Wilson.

Why not?

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Why would they want to? He's helping them more than anyone in the GOP.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Interestingly, the Democrats on the Hill are not taking this opportunity to censure or otherwise alienate Joe Wilson.

Why not?

My guess is that they recognize that President Obama WAS lying, and so to bring the whole thing out would not be beneficial to their cause.

My God, I mean I even saw Nancy Pelosi say something today to the effect of "he apologized, let's move on". Usually pols don't let a chance like this go to waste, as Rahm would say.

Posted by: boosterprez | September 10, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

You and drindl need to get off this hobby-horse -- he has said "positive" things about Obama -- our gracious host is even-handed and was (to say the least) much more gracious to Obama than I have been:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/eye-on-2008/barack-obama-wins-the-presiden.html

"Barack Obama's victory tonight affirms a fundamental re-shaping of the electoral map that has dominated American politics for the better part of the last decade. The Illinois senator capitalized on a strong desire for a shakeup in the status quo and a deep dissatisfaction with the current president and direction of the country to score a historic win across the political landscape.

Obama's victory was both broad and deep; he won hotly contested states in every corner of the country from New Hampshire in the Northeast, and likely Virginia in the South to Ohio in the Midwest and New Mexico in the West.

...

Much will be said and written of this race in the days, weeks, months and years to come. But, what is clear tonight is that the man and the moment have met. Barack Obama is the next president of the United States."

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Subject: Now is the time

Hi,

Last night, President Obama challenged Congress to "meet history's test" and finally fix our broken health care system. He pledged to seek common ground between Democrats and Republicans, and offered: "My door is always open."

Republicans responded by heckling, booing, and hissing. Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) screamed out "You lie!" as the President defended his health care plan against false right-wing attacks.

We can't afford to let conservative extremists like Joe Wilson hold health care reform hostage. As Obama put it, "the time for games has passed. Now is the season for action."

I just signed a petition to Congress demanding swift action to pass real health care reform. Can you join me at the link below?

http://pol.moveon.org/passhealthcare

Thanks!

Posted by: mikeinmidland | September 10, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Please be sure to add a tip for ActBlue, raising money for Democrats.

Thanks, Joe Wilson, you have probably ensured passage of the public option all on your low-browed oddy knocky

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm donating $100 and I can't even get through because Miller is being SWAMPED with donations

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!! I'm certainly not the only one who donated to Rep. Joe Wilson -- anyone else can do so here:

https://www.completecampaigns.com/public.asp?name=Wilson&page=2

If you prefer to mail a check the old fashioned way:

Joe Wilson for Congress
P.O. Box 2145
West Columbia, SC 29171

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Open your wallets, folks, we have in Wilson a nice big fat target with a bullseye on his "seat:"

http://www.robmillerforcongress.com/

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Wilson's fundraising: So far, just that $10 and a coupon for tuna fish from some whack-job in San Diego.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | September 10, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

So has a Republican FINALLY gone too far for Chris C?

Still don't see anything especially positive about President Obama, and don't expect to here, not ever.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

What goes around, comes around:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0909/Reid_called_Bush_liar_stood_by_comment.html

Sen. Reid didn't even "apologize" for that, did he?

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Maybe, but I'd like to first hear how much Rep. Wilson has raised since last night.

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

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