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Charles Djou, Republicans capture Hawaii House seat

Update, 12:02 am: Honolulu City Councilman Charles Djou (R) won the special election in Hawaii's 1st district tonight. He took 39.5 percent of the vote to 31 percent for state Sen. Colleen Hanabusa and 28 percent for former Rep. Ed Case (D).

"I congratulate Charles Djou for his victory and a successful campaign based on the widely-shared values of cutting spending, shrinking government and creating real, permanent American jobs," said National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Pete Sessions (Texas).

Original Post

Results in the special election to replace former Rep. Neil Abercrombie in Hawaii's 1st district will begin to be announced at midnight eastern time.

(Results can be found here.)

Honolulu City Councilman Charles Djou (R) entered election day as the favorite despite the fact that President Barack Obama took 70 percent in this district during the 2008 campaign.

National Democrats ceased spending money to win the seat last week after concluding a win was nearly impossible as neither former Rep. Ed Case (D) nor state Sen. Colleen Hanabusa (D) heeded calls to end their candidacy and stop splitting the Democratic vote.

Republicans had hoped that Hawaii would be the second special election victory for the party in the space of a week but watched those hopes crushed in Pennsylvania's 12th district on Tuesday night.

A Republican win would, however, break a streak of six wins for House Democrats in contested special elections dating back to early 2008.

By Chris Cillizza  |  May 22, 2010; 11:45 PM ET
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37th, there is no doubt in my mind, nor presumably in any other readers', that you are a heavy user of stimulants.

You are often on here in the morning only a few scant hours after your last post the night before. Nobody not using stimulants can get by with so little sleep.

You exhibit irregular hours, as if you are crashing out in the afternoon. Another suggestion of a drug-distorted sleep pattern.

And your posts are universally illegible, hysterical, and over-amped.

You're on drugs. Stimulants, in large quantities, and have been for a long time. There really is no doubt of that.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 24, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

You guys voted for a COKE USER FOR PRESIDENT


and then you try to smear me with false charges of drug use.


STATE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TODAY.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 24, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

i think most of us just assume 37 is a home-cooked meth burnout, margaret. there's really nothing left up there, as he demonstrates every day.

Posted by: drindl | May 24, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

THE VIDEO IS SHOWING THE OIL STOPPED COMING OUT. Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 10:41 PM
Obama is an inexperience FORMER COKE USER - WHO LOVES TO GO ON COKE BINGES. Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 10:49 PM

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I think we are all left to wonder just who here is binging on coke. (Hint: I don't thinks it's the President).


Posted by: margaretmeyers | May 24, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

YIP

YIP

POOR BP!!!!!!!!!!!!

YIP

YIP


Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 23, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

The camera is back on Obama's OIL SPILL.

Obama just approved expanded offshore oil drilling - so he should have been prepared for an oil spill like this


http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html


It is time that Obama starts taking responsibility - and NOT just trying to blame someone else.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

@12bar - quite funny. Nice to have an unspammed weekend on the Fix. Anyone for some THz spectroscopy?

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 23, 2010 10:56 PM
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Well, don't go anywhere. It's just me and yip-yip batting the ball back and forth. Need another human around.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 23, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

@12bar - quite funny. Nice to have an unspammed weekend on the Fix. Anyone for some THz spectroscopy?

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 23, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


You just don't want to admit that Obama is an inexperience FORMER COKE USER - WHO LOVES TO GO ON COKE BINGES.

AND instead of going on a COKE BINGE - OBAMA IS ON A SPENDING BINGE.


and you are getting the bill !

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Did that really just happen ?


It looks like the oil spill is stopped.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

YIP

YIP

YIP

YIP

YIP

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH-BAAAAAAAAAAAAA-MAAAAAAAAAAA

YIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 23, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

WOW


IT LOOKS LIKE THEY STOPPED THE OIL SPILL


THE VIDEO IS SHOWING THE OIL STOPPED COMING OUT.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


Stare at this thing for 3 minutes and repeat to yourself

"Obama should have had a plan"


"Obama should have had a plan"


"Obama should have had a plan"


"Obama should have had a plan"


"Obama should have had a plan"

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

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OIL SPILL-yip-yip-YIP

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WHOSE FACE?

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IMPEACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 23, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama and the democrats - "the Party of Blame"

Blame Bush


Blame BP

Blame everyone else - take no responsibility.

Just pass the largest tax increase in American history


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Watch OBAMA'S OIL SPILL as it continues to spew into the Gulf of Mexico.

Too bad we don't have a video of Obama doing nothing right next to it.


http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

yip-yip-yip-YAP-YAP-YAP-yap-yap-yap

QUESTIONS-yip-yip-YIP

yip-yip-yip-YAP-YAP-YAP-yap-yap-yap SOMETHING WRONG

WHO IS HE?

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JAIL CELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 23, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse


Obama is still responsible for the Oil Spill - it seems that Obama's entire policy is "blame BP" -


Obama seems like he only cares about the political fallout to his initial inaction -


Instead of ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING.

Let's face it - Obama just completed a review of offshore oil drilling in March - so OBAMA SHOULD HAVE BEEN PREPARED.

Obama even FAILED TO FOLLOW THE PRE-APPROVED PLAN THAT WAS IN PLACE.


What a complete disaster - we have an oil spill AND ABSOLUTELY NO LEADERSHIP IN WASHINGTON.

Obama is a complete failure - he is too concerned with his own ego to govern the nation properly.


And it is showing........

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Posted by: itkonlyyou77 | May 23, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues

And to think sometimes you almost convince people that you make sense.


.......... and you are sane.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

yip-yip-yip-YAP-YAP-YAP-yap-yap-yap

BE PREPARED FOR OIL SPILLS-yip-yip

yip-yip-yip-YAP-YAP-YAP-yap-yap-yap SOMETHING WRONG

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Down, down, damn that dog. Will he ever shut up?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 23, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

WOW

Leinenkugel quit the Wisconsin Senate race - and endorsed Ron Johnson - who just entered the race.


HHMM for late May this is stuff going on late.

Wisconsin is traditionally a swing state - and there is no reason the state should not be in play this November - no matter how popular Feingold is.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Incidentally, there were nine special elections during Bush's first midterm (107th Congress). Five were from Rs, 4 were Dems. One of the Dem districts flipped to GOP, but that was the only change.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 23, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD


That makes no sense - you can not compare the year after 9/11 to this year.

Also, the we just went over why the special elections were democratic districts to start with - because of a new administration.

Traditionally new administrations lose seats.

You have got to be kidding.

Why don't you check to see if your shoe laces are untied.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

So the party that wom a whole bunch of special elections also gained seats in the midterms.

Cool

Posted by: DDAWD | May 23, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD


We are talking about the special elections here

I don't know why you would bring up the issue of the midterms.


It just proves how much of a moron you are.


Yea, I don't like to call you a moron, but you really are.

In 2002 midterms, Republicand gained 8 seats in the House, and 2 seats in the Senate.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama is still messing up the oil spill response.

This is ridiculous.

If Obama just came out in favor of EXPANDED OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING IN MARCH, Obama SHOULD HAVE BEEN PREPARED FOR THIS.

Obama just did a REVIEW OF OFFSHORE DRILLING - SO WHY WASN'T OBAMA PREPARED ???


This is a perfect example of what it means to have an INEXPERIENCED, INTEREST-GROUP AND EGO- DRIVEN ADMINISTRATION.


Anyway -

So Obama just gave the nation and UNPRECEDENTED ENERGY POLICY - AFTER A RETHINKING OF THE FINEST MINDS - INCLUDING OBAMA - IN THE COUNTRY.

But - they forgot to BE PREPARED FOR OIL SPILLS???

WHY WASN'T OBAMA PREPARED IF HE JUST DID A REVIEW ????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

"YOU guys can continue to blow your horn, but there was a similar situation when Bush took office - there was a cluster of special elections - and WOW THE REPUBLICANS HELD THE DISTRICTS.

WOW"

And which party gained seats in Bush's first midterm?

Posted by: DDAWD | May 23, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Someone please give 37th his rattle and his pacifier.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 23, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues and DDAWD


YOU guys can continue to blow your horn, but there was a similar situation when Bush took office - there was a cluster of special elections - and WOW THE REPUBLICANS HELD THE DISTRICTS.

WOW

WOW


WOW HOW DID THAT HAPPEN ?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues and DDAWD


We all know these were democratic districts - which were sure to return democrats back to Congress - and many of the them were vacated as a result of Obama apppointments.

You don't think that Obama's people thought about whether the democrats would lose the district when they made the appointments?

The whole thing is manipulated.

You sound like a Goldman-Sachs mortgage portfolio - NOT only did the mortages do down - BUT THEY PICKED THE MORTGAGES MOST LIKELY TO GO DOWN.

Obama picked the seats which were likely to remain democratic.

You guys can blow your horn all you want - but it means nothing.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

All the parties did was trade three-way races - there are no NET-PICK UPS for either party.

That is alot different from seven straight wins equating to strength for the democrats.


THE TRUTH is the elections this week meant little as a guide for the fall elections - it wasn't superTuesday or anything.


Even the primaries had unusual characteristics which really do not translate into national significance.


Specter changed parties - that is difficult in any year.


In Kentucky the Tea Party is strong - however that strength is not representative across the nation.

The special elections don't tell us much either about where the nation is going - in PA the candidate took Republican positions - and in Hawaii it was a three-way race.

None of these means anything for November.

What matters is there is STILL OIL LEAKING INTO THE GULF - and Obama - instead of doing something - prefers to blame someone else, this time it isn't Bush it is BP.

Obama will be ninety years old - and he will still be BLAMING BUSH about something.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'm not sure how the GOP will take back the House with zero net wins, but here's hoping they tray!

Posted by: DDAWD | May 23, 2010 8:13 PM
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bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

Practice, my friend, practice. The GOP is trying to see how much dust they can raise while spinning their wheels.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 23, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

"HOWEVER - SEVEN STRAIGHT WINS NOW ADDS UP TO NO NET PICK-UP FOR EITHER PARTY."

Well, I'm not sure how the GOP will take back the House with zero net wins, but here's hoping they tray!

Posted by: DDAWD | May 23, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

NOT only is it really DECEPTIVE to start talking about seven straight special election wins.


But the QUESTION OF WHY.

Most of these districts were democratic districts WHY? BECAUSE THE VACANCIES WERE RELATED TO OBAMA APPOINTMENTS.

So, of course there will be some democratic vacancies in democratic districts when a new administration comes in.

REALLY DECEPTIVE.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Those who suggest that voters in Hawaii 'saw the light' by voting for what at first look is a conservative Republican to a seat formerly occupied by a liberal Democrat should do some homework. The majority of the people in Hawaii lean moderate to liberal especially on cultural issues. It will be interesting to see how Djou reconciles the House Republican positions which have been formulated by GOP members who live between the coasts with the views of mainstream voters in Hawaii.

Politically, he might be in a situation similar to Louisiana GOP Rep. Joe Cao who was elected in heavily Democratic district in 2008.

Posted by: tuber | May 23, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

FOR ALL YOU DEMOCRATS WHO ARE LYING ABOUT "SEVEN STRAIGHT SPECIAL ELECTION WINS"

All those wins - except for the messed up three-way New York 23 - WERE DEMOCRATIC DISTRICTS -

AND PREVIOUSLY HELD BY DEMOCRATS.

So now the Republicans have a district as a result of a three-way race.

HOWEVER - SEVEN STRAIGHT WINS NOW ADDS UP TO NO NET PICK-UP FOR EITHER PARTY.

So you can all dream on - IT MEANS NOTHING.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

National Security

Again Obama goes to West Point and manages to embarass himself and get a tepid reponse from those who have chosen to risk their lives for this country.


Obama said he wants a new international order - allowing more international institutions to dictate to the US -


Anyone talking about the EURO this week - and how it is a disaster - hurting the economies all over Europe?


Meanwhile, Obama is preparing for the WUSS-OFFENSIVE in Kandahar - throwing American tax dollars around - hoping that giving the power brokers in a region of Afghanistan American dollars will be adequate substitute for a military offensive.

Obama's reasoning - this will win the hearts of minds of the people - HA - Obama already said he wants to leave - so their hearts and minds are with who will keep them alive after Obama leaves.


Obama's Afghan policy is the stupidest war strategy in history.

Tell them we are going to leave - and you lose the war. What is the sense of wasting additional American lives if you are going to leave anyway ???


UNPRECEDENTED.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade and truth20


How many Additional Voters will there be in November - a midterm election - I suspect there will be an increase - so all those extra voters will be in play.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Here's the math, if only 11% of the 28% that voted for Case vote for Djou, who wins? Uh, Djou wins. Check back with me in November when Djou wins again. It's no more straight party line unless your a damn fool. Check the polls, both liberal and conservative and the majority is always NOT democrat. The people's voices will be heard in November and the chnage will be reborn and our nation will be revived.

Posted by: TRUTH20 | May 23, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

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11% of 28% is roughly 40% of that vote. Those numbers don't work. As it was a special election, you need motivated voters which tends to be the base of a party. I'm surprised by the info (thanks, Mark) that turnout was high. Remember the so-called PUMA movement? Hillary's voters came home to Obama in November.

First guess, maybe 10% of the losing Democrat's voters turn coats and 10% get discouraged. That gets it to roughly 55 - 45. That's why I call it uphill for Djou. Not impossible, but I suspect this November's elections will be unusually hotly contested. 53% of America doesn't like being called UN-American.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 23, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

just file it corporate humanity...

Posted by: drindl | May 23, 2010 6:04 PM
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just file it under corporate legal department.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 23, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

drindl wrote: just in case you were in agreement with Rand paul about how mean Obama was being about the oil hemmorhage
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Just curious. Has anyone on this blog actually defended BP?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 23, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

just in case you were in agreement with Rand paul about how mean Obama was being about the oil hemmorhage, check out how sweet the company was t the survivors:

"According to two surviving crew members of the Deepwater Horizon, oil workers from the rig were held in seclusion on the open water for up to two days after the April 20 explosion, while attorneys attempted to convince them to sign legal documents stating that they were unharmed by the incident. The men claim that they were forbidden from having any contact with concerned loved ones during that time, and were told they would not be able to go home until they signed the documents they were presented with.

Stephen Davis, a seven-year veteran of drilling-rig work from San Antonio, told The Guardian's Suzanne Goldenberg today that he was held on a boat for 36 to 40 hours after diving into the Gulf from the burning rig and swimming to safety. Once on a crew boat, Davis said, he and the others were denied access to satellite phones or radio to get in touch with their families, many of whom were frantic to find out whether or not they were OK.

Davis' attorney told Goldenberg that while on the boat, his client and the others were told to sign the statements presented to them by attorneys for Transocean — the firm that owned the Deepwater Horizon — or they wouldn't be allowed to go home. After being awake for 50 harrowing hours, Davis caved and signed the papers. He said most of the others did as well."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100521/sc_ynews/ynews_sc2191

just file it corporate humanity...

Posted by: drindl | May 23, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"For starters, real wages for construction workers were lower in 2006 than they were in 1973! Adjusted for inflation, construction workers in 1973 earned the equivalent of $22.13 an hour in today's dollars. However, actual average hourly pay for construction workers in 2006 was only $18.29 – 17 percent below the 1973 rate, adjusted for inflation." Source AFL Building Trades Council

Cabinet makers, bench carpenters, and roofers are all claiming lower income in TX than 20 years ago - this has been widely reported and if I can get into the UT Bureau of Business Research newsletter that I subscribe to in dead tree format, on line, I will post a link.

I think that UT BBR has actually correlated the statistical effect, from recollection.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | May 23, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

noacoler wrote: I think distinguishing between being a racist and being willing to tolerate discrimination in practice is a hair-splitting waste if time.
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No dispute with me. I'm getting a kick out of Will's interesting spin on Rand Paul. In fell swoop, he disapproves of him and minimizes his impact. The vehemence of Will's disapproval is so muted, it barely registers. But, disapproval it is, none the less.

The next interesting thing is to take the pulse of the other conservative opinion leaders. This is an bizarre two-step between the Tea Party and the conservative talk radio megaphonics.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 23, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

George F. Will doesn’t mince words. Rand Paul is “frivolous.”

“There is no reason to believe Rand Paul is a racist. There is now reason to believe that he is frivolous,” Will said on “This Week.”

“He doesn’t understand that his job is to win a Senate seat, not conduct a seminar on libertarian philosophy,” Will told “This Week” host Jake Tapper.
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What passes as conservative thought these days has opined on Rand Paul.

Now, what has the other end of the thought spectrum, Mrs. Palin and Mr. Limbaugh, to say?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 23, 2010 4:46 PM
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The law of unintended consequences: now that you've revealed George Will does not approve of Rand Paul, Noacoler must turn to defending Paul rather than agree with Will.

Posted by: Brigade | May 23, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

“There is no reason to believe Rand Paul is a racist. There is now reason to believe that he is frivolous,” Will said on “This Week.”

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I think distinguishing between being a racist and being willing to tolerate discrimination in practice is a hair-splitting waste if time.

Ron Paul is unquestionably a bigot, and he raised Rand. Det Apful fallt nicht weit von Stamm.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 23, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

19% is an electoral chasm, you silly fool

Posted by: Noacoler | May 23, 2010 3:52 PM
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Is it better than winning? Poor soul.

Posted by: Brigade | May 23, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"Re: illegal immigrants

clear as could be; they come for work and would not come without jobs. Yet nobody talks about going after their Republican employers . . ."

I've talked about going after their employers. Mark's talked about it. DDAWD's talked about it. Shrink2's talked about it.

But as to you're charge that their employers are Republicans: do you have any data to support this, or are you just spewing the usual teabagger line that Democrats can't run private businesses?

Posted by: Brigade | May 23, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Chris said six "contested" special elections. I wonder if that he means by contested. Like some of those elections, the Cali one and the one for Rahm's seat and Bob Wexler's seat were blowouts, so they might not be counted as contested elections.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 23, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Looking at the Great God Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives_by_seniority
I see 7 CD special elections won by Democrats since the seating of this Congress.
If you add the string of CD special elections won by Democrats before this congress, the winning streak goes to 10 wins in a row for the Democrats. The last Republican to win a CD special election was Steve Scalise of Louisianna who won his seat a little over two years ago.

Ya'll were due.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | May 23, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

George F. Will doesn’t mince words. Rand Paul is “frivolous.”

“There is no reason to believe Rand Paul is a racist. There is now reason to believe that he is frivolous,” Will said on “This Week.”

“He doesn’t understand that his job is to win a Senate seat, not conduct a seminar on libertarian philosophy,” Will told “This Week” host Jake Tapper.
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What passes as conservative thought these days has opined on Rand Paul.

Now, what has the other end of the thought spectrum, Mrs. Palin and Mr. Limbaugh, to say?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 23, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"Chris will never make it to early Mass at this rate!" So funny mm.

Last night we (unlike The Fix, I am not royal, my wife and I) went to a birthday party for a wonderful retired Oregon elected. One of my favorite state senators (now also retired at over 70) had to leave at 2200 because she had to sing in her church choir this morning.

So, I see you are talking immigration and its relationship to wage depression...gotta read, gotta keep up...hmmm some smart people eh, good.? We'll talk.

Also, I see now many people around the country are just beginning to understand the oil disaster's ongoing special quality. We appreciated all the things that are now evident to all here a month ago. Most people are realizing now...that this is just beginning. But, they are still calling it a spill, as if it were an ooopsy, like a bad diaper blowout.

You folks enjoy the day, see ya tomorrow.


Posted by: shrink2 | May 23, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler:
You see, your response is the typical consistant reply that all dems have when the truth is revealed. You resort to insults (silly fool).
Here's the math, if only 11% of the 28% that voted for Case vote for Djou, who wins? Uh, Djou wins. Check back with me in November when Djou wins again. It's no more straight party line unless your a damn fool. Check the polls, both liberal and conservative and the majority is always NOT democrat. The people's voices will be heard in November and the chnage will be reborn and our nation will be revived.

Posted by: TRUTH20 | May 23, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Anyone following BP oil gush? I thought I just heard that topkill failed today? Is that right?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 23, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Realistically, them dems had 59% of the vote. That's only 19% more than Djou. Don't be surprised if he wins in November.

Posted by: TRUTH20 | May 23, 2010 3:48 PM

Djou will hold the seat in November. Djou is a smart campaigner and Hawaii loves incumbents.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 23, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Any of you guys seen The Birdcage? On Comedy Central now.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 23, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Realistically, them dems had 59% of the vote. That's only 19% more than Djou.

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19% is an electoral chasm, you silly fool

Posted by: Noacoler | May 23, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Re: illegal immigrants

clear as could be; they come for work and would not come without jobs. Yet nobody talks about going after their Republican employers; instead the talk is about the helpless workers themselves, a twofer, sparing the employers and riling up the rabble.

Start putting wealthy agribusiness CEOs in jail and watch the problem go away. But that won't happen.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 23, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Realistically, them dems had 59% of the vote. That's only 19% more than Djou. Don't be surprised if he wins in November.
There's a trend across the nation. People are getting smarter to the deceitful agenda of the current administration and not voting straight party. Wasteful spending, higher unemployment, unpopular forced health care, and big government. The majority is going to attain Obama's goal - Change.
When the reports come out on how many more billions of dollars will be needed for health care and the increased unemployment from it, the dems are doomed. Say what you want but that is fact.

Posted by: TRUTH20 | May 23, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

greeting to all,

I'm also interested in the wage depression issue. Does anyone have links to data on this? There is a lot of anecdotal information on the wage depression in the trades, but it would be interesting to see the numbers and locales. You know--Rule #1 in Business--Thou shall Solve no Problems without Double Checking the Assumptions.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 23, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I highly recommend this short video for all democratic candidates. Very important!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6qEQ-KnitQ&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 23, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Mark, MMeyers, the wage depression issue came to mind after I made my post yesterday. I am not really all that sure the best way to deal with it. What did you think of the plan offered by Bush during his Presidency? It seemed relatively reasoned in comparison to the "deport 11 million people" plan proffered by the rest of his party.

RE: Djou, it's about a hollow of a victory as you can get, but I think if you're a Republican, you'll take whatever you can get. It's a six month term and is almost certain to return back to Dems in November. If you're a Republican fan, I guess you're hoping that this brings back some of the swagger, but not so much as to get overconfident the way they did after the Scott Brown election. Definitely a huge and meaningful win, but I think the party was too caught up in the hype.

But a win is a win and when a party is as rock bottom as Republicans are , they should be happy to take what they can get.

Also, I'm glad the DNCC decided to pull out of the race and save the money. It will be better spent on other races.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 23, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

obama once again couldn't come through. He keeps his perfect batting record - ZERO for FIVE.

Maybe he should give an endorsement to someone in his home state - Kenya.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 23, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Good afternoon, s50 Don't you agree that doin' right never gets tired? Keep on keeping on, s50.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 23, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

✿✿✿ Mahalo nui loa, Hawaii! ✿✿✿

Djou no ka 'oi.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | May 23, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

A good start. Now, dismantle the fusion center Gestapo and TAKE DOWN THOSE HOMELAND CELLULAR MICROWAVE TORTURE TOWERS.

==

as nutty as this is, it's mild next to what the teabaggers believe.

Obama the Kenyan, North American Union, death panels.

Will America recover? Doubt it.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 23, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

TO: POTUS / VPOTUS / A.G. HOLDER / TEAM OBAMA (via Axelrod, Emanuel, Plouffe, Jarrett)
RE: INTEL COMMUNITY CHANGES


A good start. Now, dismantle the fusion center Gestapo and TAKE DOWN THOSE HOMELAND CELLULAR MICROWAVE TORTURE TOWERS.

Innocent Americans, deemed by a rogue bureaucracy as "dissidents" or undesirables, continue to be extrajudicially targeted, silently irradiated, impaired and tortured, financially sabotaged and stalked and harassed by Bush legacy programs of personal destruction.

These multi-agency programs, run out of Homeland Security-administered fusion centers, support and coordinate police-protected "community policing" and town watch vigilante "community stalking" squads -- nationwide.

Bush-Cheney leave-behinds are destroying your presidency, corrupting local law enforcement, bringing physical and financial harm to untold thousands of persecuted Americans and their families.

Just because the mainstream media is AWOL on these American human and civil rights atrocities does not mean this scandal can be covered up. This veteran journalist won't let that happen.

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
OR NowPublic.com/scrivener re: FUSION CENTER GESTAPO USES DIGITAL TV SOUND FOR TORTURE-ON-DEMAND (New)

Posted by: scrivener50 | May 23, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

FRom hawaii, mark --

RON HAMADA

>> From: Waikiki

>> Voted for: Hanabusa

>> Why: "I don't think it's too much of a difference," he said of Djou winning. "It's more symbolic than anything else." He said that with only one Democratic candidate after the primary election, a Democrat would be back in office after the general election."

Which will not be mail-in, that is only for special election.

Posted by: drindl | May 23, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

BB, this Special was different from others because it was "mail-in", and the turnout was high. That means it is more predictive than usual, so your analysis should be spot on.

Mainland Ds see Case as more centrist and more likely to win, while the Island's D power structure likes Hanabusa.
Will their primary be open -[favors Case, I would guess] or closed - [favors Hanabusa, I would guess]. Will the primary be mail-in?

Assuming the GE is mail-in I would bet on the D who emerges. But your take on a close race I buy, completely.

I will accept corrections on both my assumptions and conclusions from Honolulu residents of the CD, only! But I cannot stop the rest of you from chiming in, of course.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | May 23, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Brigade. I think Djou has an uphilll climb to hold the seat in November, but it's a gentle slope.

Ironically, I've heard a number of variations on the line of a Democrat didn't win in PA-12. From what Sarah Palin said this morning, you'd think Critz is an active member of the Tea Party movement.

So, a Democrat won in Pennsylvania. A Republican won in Hawaii. Both of those are real results and anyone who is just reciting talking points should be ignored.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 23, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

d, Fix probably misread the RNC fax. :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 23, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi, Reid and Obama,
Are you listening yet?

Posted by: miriamac2001 | May 23, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Ugh, the few readable posts are diluted to invisibility by the steady stream of junk from Brigade and 37th.

The R got 40%, two Ds split the rest. Pound your scrawny chest all you want, Cletus, Djou is a mini-termer.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 23, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, BB -- history isn't on your side:

and Chris, it's 12 special elections that Dems won in a row, not 6.

"This Honolulu-based district is the birthplace of President Obama. and he carried it with 70% of the vote in 2008. Before that, it gave 52% of the vote to John Kerry in 2004, and 55% to Al Gore in 2000.

Posted by: drindl | May 23, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"Today, on CBS’ Face the Nation, Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) — who spends a lot of his time fearmongering about various government takeovers — seemed to advocate that the government simply take over BP entirely:

Alexander: There’s one thing [the administration] could do. Under the law, they could fire BP and take it over. But the truth is the federal government probably doesn’t have the capacity to do that. [...]

Q: But would you favor taking over BP if that became necessary?

Alexander: Sure, that’s up to the President to decide…Under the law the federal government can take it over if they choose. And I understand why they might not choose, but that option exists."


LOL.

Posted by: drindl | May 23, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

So the Republlican got less than 40& of the vote, and the Dems together got 60%? Sounds like a waltze for them in November.

Posted by: drindl | May 23, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Re Hawaii, this GOP win is temporary: in November, a Dem will replace this guy before he figures out where the Senate Dining Room is.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 23, 2010 12:55 PM
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The Senate Dining Room? I think this was a House seat.

Posted by: Brigade | May 23, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Those are very interesting numbers. My guess was that a 60 - 40 vote would give balanced chances in the fall. Assume that some of Case's voters won't vote for Hanabusa and vice versa. Also assume some power of incumbency--purely in terms of media coverage, power of the office, etc. I could see Djou getting an extra 5 - 10% of the vote in the all. So, I'll have this race as leans D, but a possible hold for the Republicans.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 23, 2010 10:59 AM
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Thank you, FairlingtonBlade. I knew eventually someone would make a rational post---something other than "this wasn't REALLY an election" or "the Republican didn't REALLY win."

Posted by: Brigade | May 23, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


Did you want Bush to succeed or fail ???


The same amount of respect the left gave Bush is exactly what is due to Obama.


You sort of hate it when other people play by your rules, don't you ?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

margaretmeyers wrote,
"Meanwhile, Hanabusa and Case can enjoy life in Hawaii and devote themselves to their campaigns full time."

Sound good to me. Just stay out of Washington altogether.

Posted by: Brigade | May 23, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

37, that was only one in a row. The record is ten. Come on, you have work to do.

Regarding the now familiar anti-BHO racist proxy issues you referenced -- tea baggers, tenthers, deathers, birthers, Rand Paul-style libertarianism, etc. -- what more is there to say? Rush summed this crowd best when he said, "I hope [BHO} fails." No policy debate, or substantive arguments, just "I hope he fails" no matter what he proposes for the good of the country.

On a more important matter, you don't want that mayo sandwich to sit on the kitchen counter too long.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 23, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

The Obamas can enjoy the White House until November 2012 when it will return to the Republicans.

Posted by: vmi98mom | May 23, 2010 7:58 AM

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That's how I see it!

Posted by: Brigade | May 23, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Brigade


Do you know how many the special election seats were held by each party prior to the special elections?


What is the pick-up ratio?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

umemat wrote,
"This is not a "real" victory for the Republicans."

Again, bozo, who claims this seat in Washington if it isn't a "real victory?

"Most of the people I know here in Hawaii vote Dem."

LOL. No kidding? Probably ALL the people you know.

"But it does make me wonder if returning to conservative Japan is a better option, than watching Hawaii or mainland USA become T-party supporters."

Every time a Republican wins an election---or even runs in an election---there're always a bunch of liberal loons who promise to leave the country if the Republican wins. But they never do.
Maybe the "party of the rich" should take up a collection and buy all of them one-way-tickets if they promise never to return. Are you listening Alec Baldwin? Pinko Penn?

Posted by: Brigade | May 23, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

One might as well count PA 12 as a win for the Republicans as well - Critz ran on a Republican platform.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

By my count, that makes 9 congressional election since 2008 and 2 wins for Republicans. For a party that supposedly resurgent, this is a pretty lousy showing.

Posted by: wiscoman | May 23, 2010 3:18 AM
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Always lousy when a Republican wins isn't it? Does this mean no more posts about Democratic victories "in a row?" By the way what's your count since 1947?

Posted by: Brigade | May 23, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

House Dining Room.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 23, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

broad____ joe


You come on with a post that just trying to harass other posters.

Nothing of substance there huh?

Not that complaining about fake racism is anything of substance anyway.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Um, this is not a win for the Republicans. I used the new math (31 + 28) and concluded that 59 percent of the electorate voted for a Democrat. The two yahoo candidates were both too egotistical to set aside their differences for the benefit of the oparty. Nice goin. Oh yeah, aloha, and all that crap, too.

Posted by: harryejones | May 23, 2010 12:45 AM
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Not a win for the Republicans? Notify the Capitol police! I've heard dependable rumors that a Republican is going to show up and try to claim that seat!

Posted by: Brigade | May 23, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe


What is wrong? You don't want to accuse anyone of racism today ???

You don't want to say there are any "PROXY RACIST" ISSUES out there ?


Normally you are trying to PRETEND THAT NO ONE HAS ANY POLICY DIFFERENCES WITH OBAMA - that it is only racism that motivates anyone.


OH YEA, let Obama run a TRILLION dollar deficit -


AND have everyone agree that it is ALL BUSH'S FAULT.


Isn't that what you want ????


AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME, YOU ARE A RACIST.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Its not spin. Its basic facts.


Posted by: dcraven925 | May 23, 2010 12:20 AM
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Well then, did a Democrat win? Or a Republican? Looks like you're certainly the one spinning with your talking points.
Come back when there's a Democrat in the seat. Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

Posted by: Brigade | May 23, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


It's a House seat.


PA12 will likely go Republican - and the Hawaii one might go democratic.

However, Fairlington has some good points - will the split in the democratic party continue to affect this race in the fall?

The other factor is that there will be many more Independents voting in the fall.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Not bad, fake 37.

Six consecutive posts without any intervening posts from anyone else. I believe the modern record is ten, set by JakeD/JakeD2 during his famous "I'm not begging" meltdown on this blog. Try again and go for it, 37.

BTW, your Mom said she has TWO mayonaisse sandwiches waiting for you when you come up from the basement, with a glob of ketchup on the side as your "Reagan" vegetable.

Enjoy.
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Re Hawaii, this GOP win is temporary: in November, a Dem will replace this guy before he figures out where the Senate Dining Room is.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 23, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse


A top Department of Homeland Security official reportedly said his agency will not necessarily process illegal immigrants referred to them by Arizona authorities.

John Morton, assistant secretary of homeland security for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, made the comment during a meeting on Wednesday with the editorial board of the Chicago Tribune, the newspaper reports.

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Obama is NOT going to ENFORCE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS - so let's just stop pretending.

It is just another way that Obama is completely out of step with America.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama's administration can be summed up as two things: Obama has played to his EGO, and Obama has played politics.

Obama has done NOTHING to govern this nation properly.

This is the problem with having a bunch of far-left wing nuts all over the administration in various positions : their MAIN CONCERN is slipping in left-wing policies AND NOT GOVERNING PROPERLY.


This is our country.

Whoever takes over after Obama is going to find a government which has not been COMPLETELY NEGLECTED.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The overall national situation is this: All Obama and the democrats are doing now is searching for issues which make themselves look good, make the Republicans look bad - and the democrats are still COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE.

Take this Wall Street bill - ALL Obama wants to do is make the Republicans look bad - AND PRETEND THAT THE DEMOCRATS REALLY WANT TO DO SOMETHING.

However, ask people about the bill itself - the BILL DOES LITTLE TO ADDRESS THE ACTUAL PROBLEMS -


And Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are not addressed at all.

This is Obama idiocy taken to the EXTREME - OBAMA IS NOT GOVERNING - Obama is just sitting there trying to do something "big" to satisfy his EGO - and Obama doesn't care about anything else.

The democrats are in the process of COMPLETELY IGNORING THE REAL PROBLEMS IN THE COUNTRY - AND THEY ARE JUST PLAYING POLITICS.

What a pathetic bunch of wiesels - and I understand that many of the democratic bloggers here do not understand what is really going on here - but it is horrible.


They had a doctor on - and he started reading Obama's health care bill - he said it was ALL FOR THE SPECIAL INTERESTS - AND LITTLE FOR THE PATIENTS.

The democrats put a BLIND FAITH that Obama would produce a good health care bill - but ALL OBAMA DID WAS TAKE CARE OF THE SPECIAL INTERESTS.

The democrats have to ADMIT that even THEY don't know what is really in the bill.


We heard all sorts of things in the days after the health care bill passed - that we would suddenly find out how good it was, and how the immediate effects were good - TURNS OUT - that half of that was just NOT TRUE - and the other half the democrats just stopped talking about.

The TRUTH is that the health care bill is little but A DRAG ON HIRING.


Democrats - the sooner you realize that this administration is a bunch of IDIOTS - the better off you will be.

AND the West Point speech yesterday - OBAMA just has to do another "big" thing, just for the sake of doing a "big" thing - and there is little POLICY JUSTIFICATION BEHIND IT.

But go off Obama and tell people you just did another "big" thing.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

PA 12: The pro-life, pro-gun, anti-healthcare "D" won, and it was a "crushing defeat" to the R's.

HI 01: The R wins only because of 2 "yahoo egotists" who refused to bow out.

I'm detecting a double standard.

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The truth is that both these races are going to be SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT IN THE FALL.

In Hawaii, there will be one candidate for the democrats - is that right ? Is there a primary for those two candidates.

IN PA - 12 - the Independents will be voting in the election - and if 13,000 democrats voted for the Republican, with Critx picking up few Republicans


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

PA 12: The pro-life, pro-gun, anti-healthcare "D" won, and it was a "crushing defeat" to the R's.

HI 01: The R wins only because of 2 "yahoo egotists" who refused to bow out.

I'm detecting a double standard.

________________________________________


The truth is that both these races are going to be SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT IN THE FALL.

In Hawaii, there will be one candidate for the democrats - is that right ? Is there a primary for those two candidates.

IN PA - 12 - the Independents will be voting in the election - and if 13,000 democrats voted for the Republican, with Critx picking up few Republicans


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

The U.S. Justice Department has dropped a probe of American International Group Inc executives involving the credit default swaps that sent the insurer to the brink of bankruptcy and forced a huge taxpayer bailout, lawyers for the executives said on Saturday.


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I guess the Feds determined that at AIG, it wasn't fraud after all, they were just really stupid.

It was fraud everywhere else though.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 23, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Those are very interesting numbers. My guess was that a 60 - 40 vote would give balanced chances in the fall. Assume that some of Case's voters won't vote for Hanabusa and vice versa. Also assume some power of incumbency--purely in terms of media coverage, power of the office, etc. I could see Djou getting an extra 5 - 10% of the vote in the all. So, I'll have this race as leans D, but a possible hold for the Republicans.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 23, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

MM, good description of the shadow underclass of workers. The Dickensian poverty is a blight.

J do wish those who profit by taking advantage of this underclass and those who advocate amnesty for it would not be fueling the discussion of the national interest. Amnesty perpetuates the problem, unless the borders and ports could be hermetically sealed, which I suggest is beyond our current capacity.

It is within our capacity to tweak employment law in a way that makes job prospects for undocs grim and encourages them to leave on their own. It is possible to make southern border crossings very daunting and port entry very rare, but considering the number of undocs who are here on expired visas, port security is secondary to employment verification, anyway, as a prophylactic. Northern border crossings for IAs will remain more difficult to control, west of the St. Lawrence seaway. I never read much concern about that but it is a security issue.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | May 23, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Mark, I will also add that many illegals are badly taken advantage of once they are here. Their employers know they cannot complain to authorities, and so they are hosed in every direction.

If they aren't working under the table, they pay the many withholdings we pay but with no chance of enjoying the benefits. They are given dangerous jobs to do (remember that film-stripping plant in Illinois where workers were poisoned?)or work with chemicals they aren't trained to work with. If they become injured on the job they are afraid to apply for comp. Of course, women who come here often end up in housekeeping, office cleaning, semi-indentured service and prostitution. Poverty and isolation keep there.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | May 23, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I think we already have our candidate for the Worst Week in Washington for next week.

By winning this special election, Djou has guaranteed himself a miserable 5 months of fund-raising and campaigning while flying back and forth from Hawaii to Washington for his job as a temp... I mean, congressman. Meanwhile, Hanabusa and Case can enjoy life in Hawaii and devote themselves to their campaigns full time.

Djou is lucky he'll have the great minds of the GOP telling him when to breathe and how to vote. That helps.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | May 23, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

The GOP can enjoy their victory until November when it will return to the Democratic column.

Posted by: vmi98mom | May 23, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

And to think all the pre-election talk was about getting Hanabusa to resign, and in the end she out-performed Case. DC Conventional Wisdom loses again!

Posted by: thecorinthian | May 23, 2010 7:09 AM | Report abuse

Off topic to ddawd: you asked why I thought illegal immigration was a bad thing, and suggested you saw it as mainly a security but less as an economic issue.

A trickle of IAs, I would say, is a persistent security issue.

A running faucet of them creates a socio-economic problem, as well.

They become an underclass, unmotivated by anything but survival, who become a shadow population, uncooperative with law enforcement and often transient, to avoid detection. In large numbers, a significant number of them will form no actual community attachment to the neighborhood, as it will form none to them.

The policies that I suggested, with no amnesty whatsoever, would address these perceived problems. Most IAs would leave on their own, but while they remained, the non-violent and productive ones would not be harassed, and legal immigration would be reprioritized so that immigrant job skills would become a higher priority than family unification. Thus we would get the immigrants who fit our security and economic needs, and we would reduce IAs to a manageable trickle, without busting the budget or reinstating the draft.

Ddawd, I had the sense that you were arguing that IAs do not displace legals in the job market, but rather, expand it. It is my guess that in that you have been correct, but you must include in your analysis the wage depression in certain service businesses that has followed.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | May 23, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

It's true Dijou won. But the Dems actually held the vote with almost 60%. If there wasn't much friction between Hanabusa and Case, the vote would be different. Hanabusa was not far behined in votes. This is not a "real" victory for the Republicans. Most of the people I know here in Hawaii vote Dem. But it does make me wonder if returning to conservative Japan is a better option, than watching Hawaii or mainland USA become T-party supporters..

Posted by: umemat | May 23, 2010 4:24 AM | Report abuse

cryos says Go crawl under a rock somewhere as the country takes itself back from the metrosexual whiny little brats liberals have become to a metro whiner named dcraven

My Comment: I agree that dcraven is precisely the kind of cancer cell infesting the Dem Party and the USA in general and should be removed by invasive surgery.

USMC _Mike "PA 12: The pro-life, pro-gun, anti-healthcare "D" won, and it was a "crushing defeat" to the R's" should be a partial response to wiscoman. The other part of the response is Scott Brown's taking back "the people's seat" from one of an elitist band of constitution-wreckers who have violated their oath to preserve and protect the USA. Indeed, Mr. Gingrich is correct when he observes that these elitists are the greatest threat to the USA since Adolf Hitler and, I would add, the opponent of the USA that they admire most---Joseph Stalin.

Posted by: djman1141 | May 23, 2010 4:02 AM | Report abuse

PA 12: The pro-life, pro-gun, anti-healthcare "D" won, and it was a "crushing defeat" to the R's.

HI 01: The R wins only because of 2 "yahoo egotists" who refused to bow out.

I'm detecting a double standard.

If you're going to claim the R win in HI is circumstantial, and not ideological (which seems pretty clear), must you not also admit the D win in PA is a win for D's "in name only"?

[Note: I'm merely asking for internal logical consistency, which I realize is asking a lot for certain fix posters.]

Posted by: USMC_Mike | May 23, 2010 3:26 AM | Report abuse

By my count, that makes 9 congressional election since 2008 and 2 wins for Republicans. For a party that supposedly resurgent, this is a pretty lousy showing.

Posted by: wiscoman | May 23, 2010 3:18 AM | Report abuse

"Um, this is not a win for the Republicans. I used the new math (31 + 28) and concluded that 59 percent of the electorate voted for a Democrat. The two yahoo candidates were both too egotistical to set aside their differences for the benefit of the oparty. Nice goin. Oh yeah, aloha, and all that crap, too.

Posted by: harryejones"

I wouldn't call it an ego thing. There will be a new election for the seat and only one of the Dem candidates will be on the ballot. The two of them were using it as a dress rehearsal. The seat will be blue with the 112th Congress.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 23, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Not that it may have influenced the final vote or anything but here's a Trivial Pursuit question for the mainland political junkies: of the top finishers, how many actually lived in the the Hawaii 1st Congressional district when they filed their papers for the special election?

Posted by: tuber | May 23, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Given how the Democratic candidates finished, one of the 'what if' questions that will inevitably pop up is what if the resources had been unified behind the candidate with the arguably stronger establishment grassroots support who could deal with the last minute negative ads (which seemed on the benign side for Hawaii). Anyway, it will be interesting to see how much resources the GOP and Democratic national committees and Mainland-based interest groups pump into the race for this seat come September (Democratic primary) and the general in November. Hawaii's economy could sure use the economic stimulus.

Posted by: tuber | May 23, 2010 1:08 AM | Report abuse

So Djou keeps the seat warm until January 2011 when the regular election is held. It's a symbolic victory unless he can get re-elected this fall. No big deal either way.

Posted by: vtavgjoe | May 23, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Bad press for them, to be sure, coming off all the good news of last Tuesday - but in the long run, it won't mean much. They'll get this seat back in November when there's only one candidate running.

Posted by: SeanC1 | May 23, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcraven925
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Feel free to explain democrats dishonest use of racism hurting the country to pander for votes. Tell me how great it is.

Oh I guess you can only copy and paste what you like and ignore the rest. Kind of like the media these days. Buh bye liberals you have exposed yourself for the angry hypocrites you are.

Lying to America about bipartisanship, cleaning up corruption and being a centrist and then smugly cheering on a far leftist push will have consequences.

You might be pulling out the stops in the media to try to stem the tide but in the desperation to hide the truth you will be exposed and the MSM has already lost its credibility with a LOT of Americans.

Posted by: Cryos | May 23, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Cryos wrote

Um, this is amazing! AOL founder Steve Case posted for weeks in advance on Twitter for his bro., but obiviously did no good.


My Comment. Ed Case is not Steve's brother, he's his Cousin.

Cryos wrote:
If the GOP can take Hawaii, they can win anywhere.

My comment. Sure. They can win anywhere if they can have two opponents split the vote. That's why primaries are important.

Cryos wrote:
However democrats did take 60 rather than 70 percent of the votes like for Obama. I'm guessing Dijou would be less known as well since he is a councilman rather than a state senator or us rep.

My Comment:
Djou is a member of the City Council of Honolulu. Contrary to your views, being a member of the City Counsel in Honolulu is a high visibility post particularly in a district located ENTIRELY within Honolulu. A State Senator covers a much smaller area. Its helpful to actually know something about local politics before you speculate.

Posted by: dcraven925 | May 23, 2010 12:46 AM
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That's why I said I WOULD GUESS but I guess you are too stupid to understand that. Go crawl under a rock somewhere as the country takes itself back from the metrosexual whiny little brats liberals have become.

Scurry out in another 10 years when people have forgotten what nasty selfish controlling people liberals are.

Posted by: Cryos | May 23, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

oboobma = worst ever

Posted by: thebump | May 23, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Um, this is not a win for the Republicans. I used the new math (31 + 28) and concluded that 59 percent of the electorate voted for a Democrat. The two yahoo candidates were both too egotistical to set aside their differences for the benefit of the oparty. Nice goin. Oh yeah, aloha, and all that crap, too.

Posted by: harryejones | May 23, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Ha!!! The Dumbs can't even win in Hawaii!!! They are going to get clobbered in November!!!

Posted by: A1965bigdog | May 23, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Um, this is not a win for the Republicans. I used the new math (31 + 28) and concluded that 59 percent of the electorate voted for a Democrat. The two yahoo candidates were both too egotistical to set aside their differences for the benefit of the oparty. Nice goin. Oh yeah, aloha, and all that crap, too.

Posted by: harryejones | May 23, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Cryos wrote

Um, this is amazing! AOL founder Steve Case posted for weeks in advance on Twitter for his bro., but obiviously did no good.


My Comment. Ed Case is not Steve's brother, he's his Cousin.

Cryos wrote:
If the GOP can take Hawaii, they can win anywhere.

My comment. Sure. They can win anywhere if they can have two opponents split the vote. That's why primaries are important.

Cryos wrote:
However democrats did take 60 rather than 70 percent of the votes like for Obama. I'm guessing Dijou would be less known as well since he is a councilman rather than a state senator or us rep.

My Comment:
Djou is a member of the City Council of Honolulu. Contrary to your views, being a member of the City Counsel in Honolulu is a high visibility post particularly in a district located ENTIRELY within Honolulu. A State Senator covers a much smaller area. Its helpful to actually know something about local politics before you speculate.

Posted by: dcraven925 | May 23, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Um, this is not a win for the Republicans. I used the new math (31 + 28) and concluded that 59 percent of the electorate voted for a Democrat. The two yahoo candidates were both too egotistical to set aside their differences for the benefit of the oparty. Nice goin. Oh yeah, aloha, and all that crap, too.

Posted by: harryejones | May 23, 2010 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Tuber wrote:

Note the positions in which the two Democrats finished. Ironic since as late as 3 weeks ago the DCCC was trying to convince Hanabusa to drop out of the race as the weaker candidate. Check out the local newspapers and archived TV coverage.

My Comment:

Ed Case said it very well when he pointed out that he was the subject of serious negative campaigning. Some of the dirtiest and most unfair ads that I have ever seen. Just about every claim in the "independent" ad was simply wrong. And this Ad was running on TV more frequently than any other ad that was being run. It takes time and money to beat back dirty campaign tactics. My money is still on Case in the primary and on whatever democrat gets the nomination in November.

Posted by: dcraven925 | May 23, 2010 12:41 AM
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LOL so its the "negative GOP ads." Awwww.

Democrats by far campaign more negatively. Look at their strategy books. Blame republicans and spread rumors early into campaigns.

Democrats inappropriately screaming racism and their dividing of the country worsening racial relations is more underhanded and a disservice to America than anything else.

Posted by: Cryos | May 23, 2010 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Tuber wrote:

Note the positions in which the two Democrats finished. Ironic since as late as 3 weeks ago the DCCC was trying to convince Hanabusa to drop out of the race as the weaker candidate. Check out the local newspapers and archived TV coverage.

My Comment:

Ed Case said it very well when he pointed out that he was the subject of serious negative campaigning. Some of the dirtiest and most unfair ads that I have ever seen. Just about every claim in the "independent" ad was simply wrong. And this Ad was running on TV more frequently than any other ad that was being run. It takes time and money to beat back dirty campaign tactics. My money is still on Case in the primary and on whatever democrat gets the nomination in November.

Posted by: dcraven925 | May 23, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Um, this is amazing! AOL founder Steve Case posted for weeks in advance on Twitter for his bro., but obiviously did no good.

If the GOP can take Hawaii, they can win anywhere.

Posted by: JuicyJuice | May 23, 2010 12:36 AM
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The split win did get GOP the seat to be realistic.

However democrats did take 60 rather than 70 percent of the votes like for Obama. I'm guessing Dijou would be less known as well since he is a councilman rather than a state senator or us rep.

Posted by: Cryos | May 23, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Um, this is amazing! AOL founder Steve Case posted for weeks in advance on Twitter for his bro., but obiviously did no good.

If the GOP can take Hawaii, they can win anywhere.

Posted by: JuicyJuice | May 23, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Michael128 wrote:

If Djou wins the most votes, why would you characterize his victory as "stealing?" Do congressional seats "belong" to a particular party? Or might they instead belong to the voters? Yes, those same voters may have voting widely for Obama in 2008. But they may very well have "buyer's remorse" and want a Republican now.

My comment: Its clear that you got the talking points. And you are wrong on just about every point. He "stole" the seat because more than 60% of the voters didn't want him. The seat doesn't belong to a particular political party -- but the voters in the State of Hawaii have certain views that they strongly support -- and the party that represents those views and aspirations is the Democratic Party.

As for Buyer's remorse? Nearly 60% of the voters came out in support of the candidates supported by Obama. This is "basic math" -- 60% is greater than 40%.

Its not spin. Its basic facts.

Posted by: dcraven925 | May 23, 2010 12:20 AM
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Awww do you need a tissue?

Looks like they got split liek Ross Perot did to get Clinton the presidency. I bet then it was just the great Americans having a choice between 3 candidates.

I am so tired of you whiny puss liberals. Grow a pair and take care of yourself stop trying to vote in nannies who will think for you.

Posted by: Cryos | May 23, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Note the positions in which the two Democrats finished. Ironic since as late as 3 weeks ago the DCCC was trying to convince Hanabusa to drop out of the race as the weaker candidate. Check out the local newspapers and archived TV coverage.

Posted by: tuber | May 23, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Michael128 wrote:

If Djou wins the most votes, why would you characterize his victory as "stealing?" Do congressional seats "belong" to a particular party? Or might they instead belong to the voters? Yes, those same voters may have voting widely for Obama in 2008. But they may very well have "buyer's remorse" and want a Republican now.

My comment: Its clear that you got the talking points. And you are wrong on just about every point. He "stole" the seat because more than 60% of the voters didn't want him. The seat doesn't belong to a particular political party -- but the voters in the State of Hawaii have certain views that they strongly support -- and the party that represents those views and aspirations is the Democratic Party.

As for Buyer's remorse? Nearly 60% of the voters came out in support of the candidates supported by Obama. This is "basic math" -- 60% is greater than 40%.

Its not spin. Its basic facts.

Posted by: dcraven925 | May 23, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Chris, you got your numbers mixed up. Hanabusa placed 2nd (SURPRISINGLY) at 31%. Case placed 2nd at 28%.

Posted by: RussellNewYork | May 23, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Chris, you mixed up your numbers. Hanabusa (SURPRISINGLY) came in 2nd place with 31%. Case trailed at 28%.

Posted by: RussellNewYork | May 23, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

If Djou wins the most votes, why would you characterize his victory as "stealing?" Do congressional seats "belong" to a particular party? Or might they instead belong to the voters? Yes, those same voters may have voting widely for Obama in 2008. But they may very well have "buyer's remorse" and want a Republican now.

Posted by: Michael28 | May 23, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Chris will never make it to early Mass at this rate!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | May 22, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

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