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Congressional Countdown: Senate Playing Field Continues to Shift

Congressional Countdown

A Key Race Scorecard -- Nov. 2, 2006

House (35 contested races)

Leans GOP
4
Toss-Up
18
Leans Dem
13

Senate (9 contested races)

Leans GOP
0
Toss-Up
3
Leans Dem
6

» Full Analysis

Just five days remain before Election Day and the playing field in the Senate continues to shift.

On Wednesday Republicans plunked down $800,000 for an ad buy in Michigan, where Oakland County Sheriff Mike Bouchard (R) is aiming for a come-from-behind victory over Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D). Democrats responded by shipping $1 million to Arizona for a TV buy of their own in the race pitting Sen. Jon Kyl (R) against challenger Jim Pederson (D).

Neither of these races makes the Countdown because they remain long shots for takeovers. But the heavy late spending in each of the races shows how party strategists are trying to cover every possible base in what remains an intense battle for control of the Senate.

Read the full analysis...

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Looks like we may have another close senate race: http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/154140.php

Posted by: BlueInAz | November 3, 2006 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Nick

On Bhoomes

Maybe he got a job. I heard TSA was hiring screeners

Posted by: poor richard | November 2, 2006 4:54 PM | Report abuse

okay ladies, here is my advice - you need to go to the gym in the afternoon to let off steam - wow you guys have gone over the edge this afternoon

now that I am back from the gym

Mike B is correct that a lot of hardworking American citizens have lost out over the undocumented immigrants - this is a fact no one can deny.

All my point was - federalism allows for use to see how these policies work at the local level before we take them national - I cannot help what the facts are showing.

I found Mike's 1 trillion dollar figure interesting - never even heard the most anti-undocumented immigrant person use that number before.

the fact of the matter is - even the number crunchers on both sides agree - no one knows for sure what the number is - this is why these local innitiatives are good - we can now see if it is good or bad when se sent these people packing from our communities.

Bobby WIghtman-Cervantes
www.balancingtheissues.com

Posted by: bobby wightman-cervantes | November 2, 2006 3:59 PM | Report abuse

25 hours, 10 minutes counting until the last logical minute for the RNCC delayed October Surprise before the last weekend news cycle before the election.

Adam. We gotta do better than that. If junior stealth invaded Korea, even if he was successful, That might cause 75 more seats in the house to turn blue and half the senate.

But the concept is inept enough to be attractive to this white house!

Posted by: Bob | November 2, 2006 3:24 PM | Report abuse

KOZ-- Just my two cents, but it strikes me that calling people "evil" on a political site is a little over the top. I have pretty thick skin and don't take jabs that come my way personally. I would suggest that you ought to do the same. You certainly dish out the "zingers" yourself, so complaining when others reciprocate doesn't make a lot of sense.

Back to the issue at hand -- control of the Senate -- it sure looks like this one is going to be a barn burner. As of today, it sure looks like Democrats will pick up at least 4 seats, with a maximum of seven pick ups possible. I still think 5 pick ups is the likeliest result, but six seems much more of a possibility today than it did a few weeks ago. Honestly though, as long as George Allen and Santorum lose I don't really care how many total seats Dems pick up. Those guys are the epitome of big-government conservatism and it is time to give themm the boot.

Posted by: Colin | November 2, 2006 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to bhoomes. He wrote like a paid republican political operative and then suddenly right before the election he disappears from this blog. Ah bhoomes I envision you've been up to your ears installing software bugs in electronic voting machine to hack this election. No doubt you'll reappear, victorious, after the election, both houses in the Republican camp.

Posted by: Nick | November 2, 2006 2:40 PM | Report abuse

KOZ, I think your comment about "diminished capacity" was meant to refer to the GOP's House delegation, or perhaps to John "It's the Generals' fault!" Boehner.

Also, I can understand why the idea of a Democratic majority in the House is so nauseating to you, given what actual oversight over the current administration will unquestionably bring to light.

Posted by: mark | November 2, 2006 2:38 PM | Report abuse

BlueDog: social moderation, fiscal conservatism, strong military...that's how you make a point. Couldn't agree more!! Good post; short, sweet, concise.

Posted by: rt | November 2, 2006 2:37 PM | Report abuse

man, there are some long-winded people on here. Make your point and move on...ease up on the novels.

Posted by: rt | November 2, 2006 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Mikepcfl,

Looks like we're about done with this thread, Chris has a new post.

But yes, I truly agree with you. NeoCons (Oh, man I wanted to add the Nazi part, but KOZ get's offended) are Conservatives in name only, the far right of the GOP. I was originally a "Rockefeller Republican" that is, someone who was a social moderate/liberal but a fiscal conservative who supported a strong military force. These guys are frauds, they're more about the power grab than the management, corporate shills, hucksters, con men. They'll sell you snake oil saying it cures all ills, but only makes you sicker than you were.

It's been fun today folks, see ya'll on another thread!

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 1:46 PM | Report abuse

MikeB,

Very good post. I haven't checked the details but they "feel" correct. My son is in construction while in college, most of the site laborers on his non-government site are paid $9-11 hr. He suspects about half are illegals with phoney docs. I can attest that when I ran a construction company (small one) for few years in the 90's that's what I was paying then, so yes wages are artifically low for unskilled labor. But there's still a huge shortage of that for most construction sites, at least in this area (DC Metro). I think I'd rather enforce the on-the-book laws about hiring illegals, but that's not popular with either the Dem's (labor constiuency) or Reps (Business constituency). Deportation is fiscally impractical (11 million times the cost of finding, tracking, transporting, feeding, housing, etc). Leaving things the way they are is also impractical. Suggestions anyone?

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 1:39 PM | Report abuse

The logical conclusion would be to repeal the law who caused the problem and write a better one!!

Oh, i forgot that would reduce profits.

Posted by: Kavalor | November 2, 2006 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Bob - "Any Ideas anywhere about the political bombshell that the RNCC drops at 4:55 EST tomorrow?"

How about this:
Bush has a very light schedule today, so he might be stealth traveling.

A commando raid in N. Korea. ~1,200 dead. maybe 10 US. All remaining nuclear fuel confiscated. Serious damage to production capabilities. We just had those big "excersizes" in the area, which turn out to be cover for the staging. Bush is on a carrier somewhere in the pacific to congratulate the returning heroes. Chalk one up for unilateral intervention.

Posted by: Adam Hammond | November 2, 2006 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I shouldnt do this, but KOZ stated something along the lines that the other day only liberals were posting, but I am making the argument that KOZ is not a true conservative. (quick note on my background: idolized Reagan when I was 10 yrs old, volunteer for G HW Bush campaign as a student, member of college repubs, served 9 yrs in AF, one of the military absentee ballots that put Bush over the top in 2000, traveled twice to Baghdad in 2004, and still serve the DoD in a small way)

Here is why I believe the neo-cons are not true conservatives:

- Our military is not to be used for nation building, it is designed to break things and kill people.

- When we use our military, we must use overwhelming force so it does not get bogged down.

- Give the troops everything they need before, during and after the mission...ie armor, benefits, and a winning strategy.

- Do not create large government bureacracies, programs and deficits.

- Reagan described America as a shining city on a hill, ie people around the world look to us for hope, a beacon of hope does not condone torture (I learned that one in church).

- Conservatives know the true meaning of federalism and dont support the government telling us how to live our lives...Internet gambling ban, the program to promote abstinence to people in their 20s, and all the other programs trying to enforce morality from Washington.

This post has gotten too long. But I believe the neo-cons are not true conservatives. I hope the other conservatives out there who arent happy with where the Republican party is heading stand up and retake control before the party moves too far to the fringe.

Posted by: Mikepcfl | November 2, 2006 1:33 PM | Report abuse

BlueDog - asks, if we don't have illegals "...where will construction workers come from, restaurant workers, ag workers..." Actually, they would come from American's. Just one example. In 2000, just as Bush was taking office, virtually all construction workers where American's. Those jobs paid $15 to $20 an hour and a man could support a family on that salary, and millions did. Today, 80% of construction workers are illegals and virtually all of them are paid under the table. They receive an average of $8 an hour but pay no taxes and receive no benefits of any sort. It might be educational to see how this has all been done. Prior to 2000, construction workers - painters, roofers, concrete workers, insulation and drywall installers, framing carpenters and cabinet makers - were employed by a Home Builder. That builder was literally a small company and paid those workers' Social Security. Medicare, salary, and usually included a modest benefit package. In 2000, shortly after taking office, President Bush, enacted a series of laws that permitted the Home Builders to act as contractors, with the various plumbers, painters, concrete workers, etc. acting as subcontractors. This removed from the builder the expense of paying benefits, deducting taxes for wages, etc. The result of this was the emergence of some of the huge national home construction *corporations* we now see. Now, these corporations are investor funded and driven. Which explains why we do not see any lessening of housing construction prices, even though the labor costs using illegals is so much less. All of the excess profits simply go into the pockets of the investors and the corporate officers. And, the influx of illegal workers, the criminal activity of employing them and paying them under the table is all driven by this. There has been a trickle down effect from this to the local builder. They cannot compete against the national corporations unless the likewise engage in hiring illegals and paying them under the table wages. What is really sickening about this is that the way the "Bush laws" were written, the corporations and, now, even local builders *must* pay illegals under the table because if they were paid legal wages the taxes would render the pittance paid insufficient to attract workers AND the illegal workers would stand out and be subject to immediate deportation. The effect of all of this has been to force millions of semi-skilled American workers out of the construction trades and has cost the U.S. treasury an estimated 90 billion dollars in uncollected taxes for wages and more than 80 billion dollars in uncollected Social Security taxes. (U.S. Department of Commerce statistics - "field estimates are that these numbers only reflect about half of the uncollected funds).

Now, most of those construction workers have been forced into new rural manufacturing jobs. These are jobs like the new ones in rural towns in Oregon and Indiana where mobile homes are built by companies like Monaco, Safari, Country Coach, Beaver, etc. The average salary for these workers has dropped, however, by nearly 30% as these jobs pay an average of $10 to $12 per hour. If you look around any rural community you will see thousands of these sorts of jobs that have been created since the influx of illegals drove American workers from their jobs.

Now, the reason we are hearing the chattering about legalizing the millions of illegals is two fold. First, the U.S. treasury is essentially broke and even the neo-cons recognize that they need an influx of cash to offset the cost of these illegal workers. This will, of course, cause some local wage increases to offset the costs to the workers for being forced to pay taxes and is being fought hard by the construction, nursery, forestry and other contract work industries. On the other side, however, the small manufacturing industries are lobbying hard for this legislation because it will lead to even lower labor and benefit costs when millions of suddenly legal workers compete for those manufacturing jobs. The social costs, the costs for medical care, lost jobs, and the rest that will fal directly on American workers is something no one seems to have considered.

Posted by: MikeB | November 2, 2006 1:32 PM | Report abuse

besides - my sole purpose in life, as QOZ, is to moc zouky. period! we hates it, my precious, we hates it.

Posted by: queenofzouk | November 2, 2006 1:32 PM | Report abuse

nor'E -

didn't put the phox prafinity to be funnierer! i put it cuz i wus angryerer...

but thanx fer thinkin' 'bout moi...even tho i do go overboard...the devil made me doit. :~)

Posted by: queenofzouk | November 2, 2006 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I think the problem that we run into with any immigration solution is the cost - both tax dollars and the price of consumer goods. If all that labor suddenly was paid for at the minimum wage, prices would surge, and stores would immediately place bigger orders from foreign sources. It is not an issue where we should be making sudden huge changes. Looking far into the future, the most stable situation would be Mexico with a good economy and plenty of jobs for its own citizens. I really think that the long term solution to our immigration problem has to involve really helping Mexico. Yes, this will also cost money. If your solution doesn't, then you should speak up!

Posted by: Adam Hammond | November 2, 2006 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Mark, I go over to tradesports but wouldn't go for the longshots. I prefer the 19.5 line I saw there last week which is trading at 50/50. I think it is a good bet that Dems won't get 19 seats. Maybe 17. If we are fortunate, it will be 12. some wave. I guess in your state of diminished capacity this may seem like a historical victory. sounds like spin to me.

Posted by: kingofzouk | November 2, 2006 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Daily Summary

US House
Dems +20
23 toss up (2 D, 21 R)
Dems have adv in 8, Reps have advantage in 13, 2 dead even
11/2 RMill Call: Dems gain 29 seats

US Senate
Dems +3 (PA, OH, RI)
3 toss up (all R)
Dems have adv in all 3 (MD, MT, VA)
11/2 RMill call: Dems gain 5 seats

Governors
Dems +6 (CO, MA, NY, OH, AR, MN)
5 toss ups (1D, 4 R)
Dems have adv in 2(IA, MD); Reps have adv in 3 (AK, ID,NV)
11/2 RMill call: Dems pick up 8 seats

Posted by: RMill | November 2, 2006 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and KOZ,

"If you attend church regularly, perhaps you can explain what your morality is based upon - the Judeo-christian tradition or perhaps some hollywood thing." Didn't ask about religion? Didn't follow up? And somehow, I'm being a revisionist. No need, the evidence is above for all to see.

My apologies if you are offended by me thinking you were accusing me of violence, but gee, the comment didn't have ANY directed addressee, much like the post threatening you. Maybe clarity of thought would help in your writing.

As for the NeoCoNazi, well, let's call it a "Kerry" style joke, shall we? Obviously I "botched" it. Much like the "Dem's help Terrorist" approach of the Pres. I do find it rather disingenuous of you to think that you can hold a rational conversation with me but not others. I've always felt that if I want to raise the level of discourse above the mud, I should strive to stay there myself with ALL other participants. Of course, I am human, I do make mistakes. When you write something so heinous as you did Drindl, I feel I simply must come to the aid and defense of others, and I am willing to fight fire with fire.

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Daily Summary

US House
Dems +20
23 toss up (2 D, 21 R)
Dems have adv in 8, Reps have advantage in 13, 2 dead even
11/2 RMill Call: Dems gain 29 seats

US Senate
Dems +3 (PA, OH, RI)
3 toss up (all R)
Dems have adv in all 3 (MD, MT, VA)
11/2 RMill call: Dems gain 5 seats

Governors
Dems +6 (CO, MA, NY, OH, AR, MN)
5 toss ups (1D, 4 R)
Dems have adv in 2(IA, MD); Reps have adv in 3 (AK, ID,NV)
11/2 RMill call: Dems pick up 8 seats

Posted by: RMill | November 2, 2006 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Sandwich repairman

The Guardian (UK) reported that Vermont is trending to elect a non-partisan "unreconstructed 1930's Socialist" ahead of a republican.

That means that is one less Republican seat. Should help the democrats even if they don't get a majority.

Posted by: zippy | November 2, 2006 1:25 PM | Report abuse

BlueDog - asks if we don't have illegals "...where will construction workers come from, restaurant workers, ag workers..." Actually, they would come from American's. Just one example. In 2000, just as Bush was taking office, virtually all construction workers where Amercian's. Those jobs paid $15 to $20 an hour and a man could support a family on that salary, and millions did. Today, 80% of construction workers are illegals and virtually all of them are paid under the table. They receive an average of $8 an hour but pay no taxes and receive no benefits of any sort. It might be educational to see how this has all been done. Prior to 2000, construction workers - painters, roofers, concrete workers, insulation and rywall installers, framing carpenters and cabinet makers - were employed by a Home Builder. That builder was literally a small company and paid those workers' social security. medicare, slary, and usually included a benefit package. In 2000, shortly after taking office, President Bush, enacted a seris of laws that permitted the Home Builders to act as contractors, with the various plumbers, painters, concrete workers, etc. acting as subcontractors. This removed from the builder the expense of paying benefits, deducting taxes for wages, etc. The result of this was the emergence of some of the huge national home construction *corporations* we now see. Now, these corporations are investor funded and driven. Which explains why we do not see any lessening of housing construction prices, even though the labor costs using illegals is so much less. All of the excess profits simply go into the pockewts of the investors and the corporate officers. And, the influx of illegal workers, the criminal activity of employing them and paying them under the table is all driven by this. There has been a trickle down effect from this to the local builder. They cannot compete against the national orporations unless the likewise engage in hiring illegals and paying them under the table wages. What is really sickening about this is that the way the "Buch laws" were written, the corporations and, now, even local builders *must* pay illegals under the table becasue if they were paid legal wages the taxes would render the pittance paid insufficient to attract workers AND the illegal workers would stand out and be subject to immediate deportation. The effect of all of this has been to force millions of semi-skilled American workers out of the construction trades and has cost the U.S. treasury an estimated 90 billion dollars in uncollected taxes for wages and more than 80 billion dollars in uncollected Social Security taxes. (U.S. Department of Commerce statistics - "field estimates are that these numbers only reflect about half of the uncollected funds).

Now, most of those construction workers have been forced into new rural manufacturing jobs. These are jobs like the new ones in rural towns in Oregon and Indiana where mobile homes are built by companies like Monaco, Safari, Country Coach, Beaver, etc. The average salary for these workers has dropped, however, by nearly 30% as these jobs pay an average of $10 to $12 per hour. If you look around any rural community you will see thousands of these sorts of jobs that have been created since the influx of illegals drove American workers from their jobs.

Now, the reason we are hearing the chattering about legalizing the millkions of illegals is two fold. First, the U.S. treaury is essentially broke and even the neo-cons recognize that they need an influx of cash to offset the cost of these illegal workers. This will, of course, cause some local wage increases to offset the costs to the workers for being forced to pay taxes and is being fought hard by the construction, nursury, forestry and other contract work industries. On the other side, however, the small manufqcturing industries are lobbying hard for this legislation becasue it will lead to even lower labor and benefitr costs hen millons of suddenly legal workers compete for those manufacturing jobs.

Posted by: MikeB | November 2, 2006 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Seems like the sand box could use a monitor today.

QOZ - The faux profanity doesn't make the humor any funnier. It's either humorous or it's not. Actually, it moves the spotlight away from your creativity.

Posted by: Nor'Easter | November 2, 2006 1:23 PM | Report abuse

sumone sez: "@ Queenofzouk

This jokes were funny a few weeks ago (for a second) so please stop this kind of nonsense."

jeeez; get yer own fan club and everone's a jealous critic. nya, nya, nanny goat, nanny goat. i gots a fan club and you don't. nya, nya!

:~)

Posted by: quuenofzouk | November 2, 2006 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Daily Summary

US House
Dems +20
23 toss up (2 D, 21 R)
Dems have adv in 8, Reps have advantage in 13, 2 dead even
11/2 RMill Call: Dems gain 29 seats

US Senate
Dems +3 (PA, OH, RI)
3 toss up (all R)
Dems have adv in all 3 (MD, MT, VA)
11/2 RMill call: Dems gain 5 seats

Governors
Dems +6 (CO, MA, NY, OH, AR, MN)
5 toss ups (1D, 4 R)
Dems have adv in 2(IA, MD); Reps have adv in 3 (AK, ID,NV)
11/2 RMill call: Dems pick up 8 seats

Posted by: RMill | November 2, 2006 1:21 PM | Report abuse

OK boys and girls. It's thursday before the Friday of the last weekend news cycle before the election.

Any Ideas anywhere about the political bombshell that the RNCC drops at 4:55 EST tomorrow?

Posted by: Bob | November 2, 2006 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Quote from KOZ

"Those ideas which you attribute to him alone are so obvious that the entire thinking world sees it."

Obviously the whole thinking world are only a part of the population of the USA. Then honestly i dont know many people outside the US who consider your " obvious Truths" true. And frankly those few are part of the problems this world has.

@ Queenofzouk

This jokes were funny a few weeks ago (for a second) so please stop this kind of nonsense.

Posted by: Kavalor | November 2, 2006 1:15 PM | Report abuse

zouky sez: "Any suggestions on correcting this?"

get yer pieceofsheeeeitasss home to yer crackhore muther befor she gos and phuqs another camel and spawns another zouky! one zouky is quite enuph, thank you very little!

and more: "I don't fault regular posters..."

and just who the phuque died and made you hall monitor?; you pieceofsheeeeit!!!

even more: "the fact is, we are sick of your insults and meaningless attacks on national leaders..."

as said afore: teach yer grandmother to suck eggs, ewe phuque!

now, as stated earlier: go home to yer crackhore muther. she's trying to steal a banana from yer chimpazee sister - er is it yer brother...no, ahhhhh phuque it: all you zoukys look alike anyway - what's the difference!

:~)

Posted by: queenofzouk | November 2, 2006 1:14 PM | Report abuse


To Zouky and other neocon minions.

Do you not find it ironic the GOP has not put one fresh idea on the table this election cycle? Not one. Rather they have spent ungodly sums of money trying to tar the DEMS.

If I were you, I would be totally embarassed, enraged, and thoroughly disguested with my party. They may HAVE known how to win (steal) elections, but the overarching them that I am hearing from DEMS, Independents, and many in the GOP is the REpubs do not have a clue on how to govern. And that Zouky is the message that is being sent by the American people.....the neocons are infidels, just as the Islamic extremists have been screaming for years.

The days of neocon rule are numbered. Count on it, and stick a fork in Bush's agenda. The country's worst nighmare is almost OVER. Start packing, and order your blinds and drapes for your caves that you crawled out of.

Posted by: Stick A Fork In It. | November 2, 2006 1:14 PM | Report abuse


To Zouky and other neocon minions.

Do you not find it ironic the GOP has not put one fresh idea on the table this election cycle? Not one. Rather they have spent ungodly sums of money trying to tar the DEMS.

If I were you, I would be totally embarassed, enraged, and thoroughly disguested with my party. They may HAVE known how to win (steal) elections, but the overarching them that I am hearing from DEMS, Independents, and many in the GOP is the REpubs do not have a clue on how to govern. And that Zouky is the message that is being sent by the American people.....the neocons are infidels, just as the Islamic extremists have been screaming for years.

The days of neocon rule are numbered. Count on it, and stick a fork in Bush's agenda. The country's worst nighmare is almost OVER. Start packing, and order your blinds and drapes for your caves that you crawled out of.

Posted by: Stick A Fork In It. | November 2, 2006 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Adam, your curiosity is at the heart of the issue. There are so many conflicting figures regarding the plusses or minues of the illegal population impact that it almost doesn't matter what you read. Amnesty groups will claim illegals pay taxes, provide much need labor, etc. Deportation groups cite tax burdens on the schools and healthcare systems. Probably both are right. Seems to me the problem is not whether they (illegals) are good or bad for us since they are a reality we well allways have. I wonder more about how to minimize the negatives and accentuate the positives. My friend in Customs and Border Protection says let's make it easier to become a legal citizen, but harder to physically get in. Seems to make some sense, maybe?

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Becoming quite a jumble in the Senate.

MT shifts from lean D to toss up Tester (D)+2.33

TN shifts from toss up to lean R Corker (R)+5.25

NJ shifts from toss up to lean D
Menendez (D)+5.25

OH shifts from likely D to lean D
Brown (D)+6.67

RI shifts from lean D to likely D
Whitehouse (D)+10.66

Other Toss ups-
MO D+0.42
VA D+1.66

Other leans Dem-
MD D+7.5

Other leans R-
AZ R+8


Governors
In addition to yesterdays surprise polls in Arkansas moving from solid D to lean D- Beebe (D)+8.68, more movement.

MN moves from toss up to lean D
Hatch (D)+5.8

MD moves from lean D to toss up
O'Malley (D)+4.08

IL moves from solid D to lean D
Blagojevich (D)+8.92


Other toss ups
AK R+2.67
ID R+1
IA D+3.4
NV R+2.77

Other lean D
MI D+8.38
OR D+6.2
WI D+6.75

Lean R
FL R+5.95

Posted by: RMill | November 2, 2006 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Investment tips for KOZ:

In the Iowa Electronic Markets ( http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/quotes/Congress06_Quotes.html ), contract RH.gain06 (GOP increases House majority) can be had for 2.8 cents. At a $1 payout, that will multiply your investment by a factor of 35.

An even bigger steal is RS.gain06 (GOP picks up seats in Senate), last traded at 2.0 cents. Just think how rich Rich RICH this election is going to make you!

Posted by: mark | November 2, 2006 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I am officially going to start the QueenofZouk fan club. She definitely cracks me up!

Posted by: Political Junkie | November 2, 2006 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Where can I find the figures for the economic contributions of the agriculture and construction industries? What percentage of the labor in these industies is illegal? 2% 10% 20%? I would love to know whether these illegal immigrants are actually an economic burden on the country.

Yes, I realize that the burden is not distributed over the entire country. We all get the benefits of their labor, but a subset of regional services foot the social burden - and illegal immigrants compete for work with only a subset of citizens.

Posted by: Adam Hammond | November 2, 2006 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"NeoCoNazi Goose-Steppers "

Well you have now shown you are borderline irrational. too bad.

Posted by: kingofzouk | November 2, 2006 12:59 PM | Report abuse

BlueDog, Are you a revisionist? the church comment was art the end of a post, not followed by anything. the reply to drindl was in response to a foul post by her. the pummeling crack was clearly not intended for you. why are you conflating all these posts into one. they are distinct.

My issue with you is not your class or manners, which you seem to have. I am willing to engage a policy debate with you since you have not shown the signs of moonbattiness yet. but the anonymous poster who evidently is possessed of little of no intellectual capabilites is clearly beyond any discussion.
I don't fault regular posters for the occasional zinger, but remember that is the kind of thing that results in the downfall of many (Kerry, Allen). It is when the zinger is your sole contribution that you deserve the lable of moonbat. I prefer to continue ignoring moonbats. Trading insults is totally ineffective, but this format has that particular weakness associated with it. Any suggestions on correcting this?

Posted by: kingofzouk | November 2, 2006 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Well, Hey, Queenie! Oh, your hubby's okay, just having a bad day today. Like I said earlier, KOZ serves to let's us vent a little, and show how week and feeble the views of NeoCoNazi Goose-Steppers are. It's good training for us. A few years ago, it seemed most Dem's thought themselves above the fray and arguing with the likes of KOZ would have been "unseemly". Well, not for me, I love a good mudfight. But I have to admit, he's too easy.

Hey, KOZ! You there?! Can we get another "vile" and "foul mouthed", please? We don't have enough reasons to vote Dem yet. Thanks!

.... and Drindl, I don't see you as an old hag, quite pretty actually.

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 12:54 PM | Report abuse

The practical issue of deportation can't be ignored. It is fine to lay out what an ideal world would look like (one issue at a time). Then we can try and move in that direction. I don't hear anyone discussing how we can deport 11 million people. If you simply repeat that we should 'ship'em home', then you are just contributing to the current status quo. Hot air and no action.

Posted by: Adam Hammond | November 2, 2006 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Drindl - that last retort was a classic. Take everything I wrote and paste it back with a few gems altered. the shallowness of your ideas is transparent. Never an original thought.

Yet despite all this, all you can do is call me some sort of Rush Limbaugh zombie. I have told you time and again that I have never in my life listened to Rush. He is on during the day when I am at work. Those ideas which you attribute to him alone are so obvious that the entire thinking world sees it. you of course are exempt. you regularly tar me with ideas about how stupid, uneducated, chicken-hearted, etc. but you actually know nothing about me, you do the same to well-meaning pols. George Bush is not evil, he is not the enemy. He may have policy differences with you. Your reaction displays a total lack of taste and class. George Allen is not a racist. We in VA vote based on how the Senator will vote in important upcoming issues, like judges, taxes, etc. I proudly erected a giant Allen sign on my lawn yesterday but am worried that you peace-loving and generous Libs will vandalize it. so much for free speech. but one must stand up for freedom, soemthing you could learn eventually if you opened your minds and hearts.

If you others suffered from any form of objectivity, you would recognize and denounce the constant spew that evokes from Drindl and her like, badly representing your party and morality. but just like the "peaceful" Muslims, the silence is telling.

And just because you have the numbers on this website, don't presume the entire country will go down to your flip-flop attitudes anytime soon. I know you will squirm your way out of responsiblity as you do with everything, but the fact is, we are sick of your insults and meaningless attacks on national leaders. If you win the house, let's see what you can do with it. Insults and Bush bashing will no longer get you by. I suppose you will look into your bag of tricks and find it quite empty.

Posted by: kingofzouk | November 2, 2006 12:45 PM | Report abuse

KOZ,

"Funny, when Dems have no facts or evidence or ideas, they revert to character assasination, time and time again."

Please change the word "Dems" to "Repubs" in order to make more sense since you WERE the one who started on religion first: "Maybe you should consider attending church or something" followed by a series of insults (hmm, character assassination?)focused at Drindl. Just the facts, baby.

Oh, and I wasn't the poster who threatened you. There you go again, assuming things.

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 12:43 PM | Report abuse

squeeeeez his phuqing neck 'til sh*t comes out his ears!!!

he can call me vile all he wants - could not care less!!! he wants vile? by god (whomever she is) he gots it!!!

eat sh*t and phuqing die, zouky. hopefully when it happens someone will piss all over yer phuqing grave!!!

Posted by: queenofzouk | November 2, 2006 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm quite torn on it too--agree that illegals shouldn't be given amnesty, but the logics and christ the expense of finding, rounding up and deporting over 11 million people is just beyond staggering.

Posted by: drindl | November 2, 2006 12:39 PM | Report abuse

souky sez: "Drindl, you are most certainly...(hateful pratle deleted)..."

jebus - what a phuqing pric...

zouky has the gall to call drindl vile?

zouky is still fighting the cold war and throwing around the commy label? wake up zouky, it's the 21st century already...

ahhh phuque it...why bother responding to scum - pathetic hateful scum.

and if'n i were in the same room w/zouky i'd rip his phuqing head off and sh*t down his phuqing windpipe. and love ever minute ofit!!!

:~)

Posted by: queenofzouk | November 2, 2006 12:36 PM | Report abuse

MikeB,

Hmmm, interesting about the illegals. Yes, I agree it would be a hot issue for the Dem's to grant amnesty. Of course, that's essentially what Bush was proposing, over the objections of the GOP congress. I'm quite torn on this issue though. Where will construction workers come from, restaurant workers, ag workers, etc. I think I favor some sort of work program to allow them in to work, with CLEAR documentation, and an opportunity to become citizens. But throw out the ones that are here? That would wreck any semblance of an economy we have, since much of the "heavy lifting" is done by them. When they struck for one day this year, we had to shut down our work sites to allow our legal employees to attend the rallies on behalf of their illegal friends an families. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying the reality of the problem is not so simple as "ship'em out".

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm also a foul mouthed delusional old hag-- can't you just feel the love?

Posted by: drinl | November 2, 2006 12:32 PM | Report abuse

John Kerry should never have apologized for Bush's inability--or politically motivated refusal--to see that he, not any troops, was the target of Kerry's joke. That's exactly the kind of rolling over and playing dead that has lead Democrats to defeat; see Michael Dukakis. Why Bush is allowed to make jokes about the inability to find WMDs with no criticism, while neither he nor almost anyone (except Rumsfeld) in his administration has ever worn a military uniform yet is responsible for the endless quagmire we're in which has cost as many American lives as 9/11 did, all while John Kerry actually VOLUNTEERED to serve and earned three Purple Hearts, is absolutely outrageous. It is Bush and his administration that should be apologizing for their incompetence, for their total lack of planning, for their repeated lies to the American people, for bankrupting our children to pay for this disaster which has made us more vulnerable to terrorism at home and undermined respect for us around the world, for the 20,000 troops who've been wounded in Iraq, and the 2800+ who have lost their lives. Bush's and his administration's spin of Kerry's jab is disgusting. Kerry should be attacking harder, not apologizing or shutting up. Instead, he's showing himself to be the same p***y who lost the 2004 election. And THAT is a great argument for him not to run in 2008, or to vote against him in the primaries.

http://sandwichrepair.blogspot.com

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | November 2, 2006 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Zouk,

You, the king of insults and GOP spin, calling Drindl "foul mouthed"? "Old hag"? You're really too tiresome....

http://whathappenedtomycountry.blogspot.com

Posted by: Truth Hunter | November 2, 2006 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I didn't ask you anything about your beliefs, you offered them up. you bragged you went to church every day in response to a joke that was meant to suggest Dems might actually find some values in church that they don't otherwise have. You seem eager to take offense. Maybe time to take a flea bath or deworm yourself.

And Blue-dog, I don't care if you were a veteran or not, that doesn't give you any special moral authority. your views are equally valuable to me as anyone else although I would grant you some expert opinion advantage in military matters. but we never talked about that.

Funny, when Dems have no facts or evidence or ideas, the revert to character assasination, time and time again.

And your threats to pummel me indicate you are reptilian and not humanoid. If you can't discuss ideas, resort to violence. Just like the school yard bully you wish you were.

Truth hunter, why would you search for truth from Keith Olbermann, there is not a shred of it available there. Of course, the ratings for that show indicate you may be the only one watching.

Posted by: kingofzouk | November 2, 2006 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Bluedog -- it's my vile hatred of mankind that makes me volunteer to be a girl scout leader and PTA member.

Posted by: drindl | November 2, 2006 12:28 PM | Report abuse

zouky didn't sez but he doz theenk that "original thought hurts (his) brain" and that are why he parrots rush limbag. no substance just insults. tuesday caint come soon enuf...and i been collectin' a bunch of zoukyisms - kinda like bushyisms only more pathetic - to share w/all yuze guys. i gots some purty phuny stuph...:~)

:~)

Posted by: queenofzouk | November 2, 2006 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Where KOZ goes to get "juiced up," despite all his oh-so-transparent denials.

William Saletan
"I once had a friend who listened to Rush Limbaugh three hours a day. He was a Republican operative. He sat in my apartment, wearing headphones, while I worked. He swore that if I put on the headphones for 10 minutes, I'd be hooked. So I put them on. Inside the headphones was another world. Everyone in this world thought the same way, except for liberals, and they were only cartoon characters, to be defeated as though in a video game. In the real world, my friend was unemployed and had been staying with me, rent-free, for two months. But inside the headphones, he could laugh about welfare bums instead of pounding the pavement."

This childish, cartoon view of America is the only one that matters in his world. No matter how much reality we bring to the table this active fantasy view always sucks him (and millions like him) back in.

Posted by: Judge C. Crater | November 2, 2006 12:26 PM | Report abuse

See, now he's really jazzed up. You go, KOZ! Motivate those Dem's! Get'm mad! More votes for us!

Go, KOZ, go!
Go, KOZ, go!

Drindl, I didn't know you had a "vile hatred of mankind". Shame on you. It is to laugh.

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 12:25 PM | Report abuse

zouk you are most certainly much more evil than any D I know and are incapable of reason and emotion other than hate.

you studiously avoid any contact with facts, logic or class. your views are indistinguishable from rush limbaugh and the rest of the deranged loony tunes moonbat division of the con party.

you also have a real talent for projection.

why do you think everyone on this board ends up disgusted with you? because you are vile and hate-drenched and on top of it a pretender with no views of your own whatsoever.

you can insult me all you want -- coming from a delusional loser like you it's a complement.

Posted by: drindl | November 2, 2006 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Adam,

Thanks for the advice. Very good, too. But I must admit, KOZ serves a purpose too. He forces us to all think. Granted, it doesn't take much thinking, but it's exercise. He's so easy to tease.

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Zouk, You finally made a point I could agree with.... the Dems don't "stay the course" when new facts and circumstances arise.

The BIG problem with the GOP are their pep-rally mindless chants in the face of the abject failure of their ideas.

You're right, Dems and Independents can change and improve. Too bad you're stuck with King George and his imperial proclamations.

http://whathappenedtomycountry.blogspot.com

Posted by: Truth Hunter | November 2, 2006 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Drindl, you are most certainly a foul-mouthed delusional old hag with no idea what is really going on in the world. your posts on this site are nothing short of communist and only serve to insult anyone who disagrees with you. you assume that you have full rights to say whatever vile diatribe you can concoct but refuse to allow for any other opinions without some moronic conspiracy or evil purpose.

you are most certainly much more evil than any R I know and are incapable of reason and emotion other than hate. you know nothing about the military, economics, policy or good-nature. you are a victim of the left wing establishment that assumes anger will advance your cause. you openly project your own evil nature onto others without a shred of evidence and you have no sense of humor. you studiously avoid any contact with facts, logic or class. your views are indistinguishable from eleanor clifts and the rest of the loony tunes moonbat division of the Lib party. there is nothing you ever say that surprises me or exhibits any thoughfulness or consideration. In short, you are the worst example of the decay of the Dem party. the rest of you who follow her example will necessarily fall into the abyss of ignorance and spite.

I have had many interesting conversations with moderate and even intellectual Libs on this site. you have neve fallen into that category because of your blind hatred for mankind. I have tried to ignore your imbecelic attempts to goad fainr-minded people but you really need to get a grip. i am sure you will react to this in the same way that your hero Kerry did - I will not apoligize. At least he occasionally flip-flops. you never listen and never learn.

Posted by: kingofzouk | November 2, 2006 12:19 PM | Report abuse

KOZ,

I don't think your "suggesting" anything. You say Lib's lumping everyone whose against Bush, Inc. as a Liberal, no moderates allowed. Bomb thrower. Your just spouting off to get a reaction. Please do more, we need the motivation to vote.

My vote to go to war? Technically, "I" didn't get to vote on that, it was a done deal. I agree with going in to Afghanistan. I've never agreed to going into Iraq. Do you really think ALL the Intel was shared with the Democrats? No, I know it wasn't. Most Dem's clearly felt they had no option, support the Pres and all that. So I'm supposed to be a lap dog then, and support them regardless of what facts turn up later? Hmmm, seems like a GOP approach to me.

Liebermann? Now there's a joke, trying to lump ALL Dem's to Liebermann. When are you going to learn that Dem's think for themselves and refuse to march goose-step, like your NeoCoNazi friends? We don't define Leadership as "anything you say boss". It's more like, "Show me", "Prove it", and "Let's talk". Persuade me and I'm yours, but expect me to march to orders and you lose me.

Frankly, I find it personnally offensive that you would ask about my personal religious beliefs, but I'll tell you this. Unlike some, I don't wear them on my sleeve and force them on others. My faith is deeply personal to me and I find the modern "In your face" approach disgusting.

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 12:18 PM | Report abuse

New Reuters/Zogby polls show Democrats leading Republicans in the MD, MT, MO, NJ, OH, RI, and VA Senate races--which would mean a Democratic Senate. http://elections.us.reuters.com/top/news/usnN01191080.html

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | November 2, 2006 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Bobby Wightman-Cervantes _ oh, I just can't wait for some Democrat (or Republican) to run on a platform of legalizing the 20 million or so illegals in this country. The voters will tear them to shreds. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that those illegals cost us around 1 trillion dollars a year in social services, unpaid medical aide, excess police expendatures, and education. I, for one, along with plenty of other people stand ready to paint them as anti-labor and anti-American worker. We want *all* illegals out, deported, and we want the 14th Amendment to cease being used as an excuse to legalize the brats of these people. It was passed after the Civil War *explicitly* to grant citizenship to the children of slaves. In fact, one provision of that Amendment can be read to deny citizenship to the children of foreigners in this country illegally. We want it interpreted that way retroactively. As for politician's intending to grant any sort of legal status to these parasites, it is politcial suicide and THEY KNOW IT.

Posted by: MikeB | November 2, 2006 12:14 PM | Report abuse

well you know he's never actually read the constitution


zouk frankly I would rip your heart out if I was in the same room for insulting an honorable man and a veteran like bluedog. you aren't fit to kiss his a**, you cowardly chickenhawk loser.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2006 12:10 PM | Report abuse

BlueDog, my advice is not to bother trying to engage or refute kingofzouk. I tried reason, and it works for a day, but when he comes back he is hyped up again and goes back to throwing out talking points and insults. In short, he proved to me that he is a troll, as others had warned me. He is trying to make people angry, so that they respond to him and interupt an otherwise substantive conversation

Posted by: Adam Hammond | November 2, 2006 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmm.... wonder what Rummy has on The Decider? Whatever it is, Fox, Rice, and Cheney know about it too. It's the only explanation for sticking with them outside of stupidity or criminal intent.

Sorry the Olbermann video isn't working on the site I linked to (unavailable on Google too), but if you hit the little printer symbol at the top right of the page the text will appear. Not as good as hearing his delivery, but still very strong.

http://whathappenedtomycountry.blogspot.com

Posted by: Truth Hunter | November 2, 2006 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Man, the repugs are really sinking into Lala land. Do someone put LSD in the water coolor at Repug HQ?

"The American people put us in the majority in 1994 partly because they were tired of business as usual in Washington, and they wanted change. But they also saw that we stood for something. . . something they agreed with. In my mind, that's the key difference between the Republicans of 1994 and the Democrats of 2006: the Republicans of 1994 stood for something beyond simply change. The Democrats of 2006 don't," wrote Boehner.

Boehner goes on to list the GOP accomplishments since then. His second bullet point? "A balanced federal budget that led to the first budget surplus in a generation."

Is there anybody in america brain damaged enough to believe this stuff?

Posted by: drindl | November 2, 2006 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Bluedog - are your fleas biting you today, you seem cranky? I am suggesting that you Libs can't seem to concentrate sufficiently to maintain a point of view for more than a year. It is evident in your votes to go to war shortly followed by calls to pull out. by voting for Liebermann then throwing him out, by elevating Kerry to candidate and then blaming him for losing. If you attend church regularly, perhaps you can explain what your morality is based upon - the Judeo-christian tradition or perhaps some hollywood thing. what does the Constitution have to do with this?

Posted by: kingofzouk | November 2, 2006 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Drndl,

Sure he's pleased, he just got a 2 year extension on his contract without having to negotiate, so what does he care about how the war is going. Yesterday he didn't know where he stood with the boss.

You know, the GOPher's are great for asking "Do you want America to win the war?" Stupid question, of course we do. The real question is:

"What are you willing to DO, to win the war?" Kill almost 3000 troops? Wound 21000+? Lie? Cheat? Steal? Oh, that's right, we already know the answer to that: "Anything, and yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes".

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, come on, let's talk about Iraq and how much progress we're making and how your incompetent phony Captain Codpiece has managed to screw the pooch beyond repair.

Oh, and btw, zouk you have opnely admitted here that you don't give a damn about the military and that the war has nothing to do with your life so you don't care if it goes on forerver. And you are a cowardly llitle chickenhawk sh** who's never given anything to anybody except maybe the clap, so who are you to criticize John Kerry?

Posted by: drindl | November 2, 2006 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Much as you'd like to hide from him, Lurch is the leader of your party. He is leading you into cut and run (aka "not staying the course anymore") and is the epitomie of effete, out-of-touch TX con. He was born into everything he has. He should be lecturing about poor grades, having a C or D average in college. Remember, he was your choice for President two years ago and Darth Cheney was the VP before that. Are your values so fliud you can't maintain them for more than a 30 seconds in the face of a losing argument? Maybe you should consider attending church or something.

Posted by: original thought hurts my brain | November 2, 2006 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I attend church every day. Typical of you to assume without asking. Also typical of you to bring religion into a political arguement. Why do you hate the constitution so much?

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 11:57 AM | Report abuse

'President Bush said that he expected Donald Rumsfeld to continue on as defense secretary after the mid-terms, despite (mostly Democratic) demands that he step down. Bush said of Rumsfeld, "He's handled all three at the same time (Afghanistan, Iraq, and the military at home). And I'm pleased with the progress we're making."

He's pleased with the 'progress' we're making? Really , coz just yesterday he said he WASN'T happy wit the 'progress' - which is it, flipflopper?

Posted by: drindl | November 2, 2006 11:55 AM | Report abuse

KOZ,

Well, okay, I'll throw you a bone. Kerry was NOT my choice in '04. Clark was. As much as you would like to kick the Kerry ball around some more, that's gone as an issue. What's wrong, can't find an actual issue to discuss? Iraq maybe?

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 11:54 AM | Report abuse

For those Webb fans out there in NoVA. I just checked Webb's website. Webb and Michael J Fox are going to be at the Clarendon Ballroom tonight.

Posted by: Political Junkie | November 2, 2006 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Much as you'd like to hide from him, Lurch is the leader of your party. He is leading you into cut and run and is the epitomy of effete, out-of-touch NE lib. He married his way into everything he has. should he be lecturing about poor grades, having a C or D average in college. Remember, he was your choice for President two years ago and Liebermann was the VP before that. Are your values so fliud you can't maintain them for more than a year. Maybe you should consider attending church or something.

Posted by: kingofzouk | November 2, 2006 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Lookout! KOZ threw a bomb! Oh, never mind, it's a dud.

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Nor'Easter,

Please, please don't lump all vets with that pack of "Swift Boat" clowns. They were quite an embarrasment to many of us. Remember the climate at the time, it was near impossible for a moderate to be heard, let alone a liberal. Many of us felt we had no voice in that election cycle. In time, the Swift Boaters have been shown to be a front for the GOP.

As for the 2006 Kerry thing, no, don't go there. Kerry cut his own throat (yes, unintentionally) and the GOP jumped on it. I and most of my vet friends knew very well he was criticizing Bush, but we were also ticked off at his incompetence. We moan about Bush saying things that are over the top, i.e., "Democrats help Terrorists", but Kerry's comments were perceived to be over the top too, maybe unjustly so, but you can't stop some people from maintaining their ignorance. Being a vet is a very, very emotional thing and we often tend NOT to vote rationally. I apologize for that and hope you will overlook some of our past transgressions.

Finally, I'm not saying we will make THE difference in the election, but I am saying the GOP will not be able to depend on us like they have in the past with 70/30 splits (or greater). In my little group survey, I'm looking at a 58/42% split in favor of GOP, with ALL likely to vote (well 1 guy out of 97 said he wasn't voting). For vets, that's a big change, and like I said, every little bit helps.

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 11:48 AM | Report abuse

What will be a futile attempt to redirect back to the original post by CC:

My question to the group is, has Kerry actually helped the Dems in two ways - Harold Ford Jr. was able to use the Kerry mess as a way of saying "Hey look I am not some lapdog for liberal democrats" this is good

Second, if Kerry is now dead in terms of 2008 does that not in fact give the Dems a better chance of taking the White House - if we can now take down HRC we Dems can be assured a White House victory

Bobby Wightman-Cervantes
www.balancingtheissues.com

Posted by: Bobby Wightman-Cervantes | November 2, 2006 11:45 AM | Report abuse

In repug Bizarro World, a veteran who served admirably and was wounded is 'yellow' while a craven coward treasonous traitor who went AWOL and deserted his unit during wartime is a 'hero'.

Up is down, black is white, war is peace, evil is good.

wonder what these people smoke?

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2006 11:45 AM | Report abuse

And so Bush is now expecting everyone to skip to the polls singing "Ding dong Saddam is dead..."

Would that make Cheney the funny little bald man behind the curtain?

Follow the yellow brick road...

Posted by: JEP | November 2, 2006 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Truly the bat cave today. Moonbat that is. John Kerry certainly is your representative and I am glad that he has shown his true colors - yellow. Voters, pay attention.

Posted by: kingofzouk | November 2, 2006 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Bluedog,

The situation for Hispanics outside South Texas is mixed - I cannot tell you how many times people with La Raza in Dallas have told me that us Hispanics in SOuth Texas just have to put up with lower wages and wealthy Mexican Nationals illegally educating their kids in our schools( I am not talking about undocument immigrants - these are people who live in Mexico and use falsified documents to get their children enrolled in our schools)

Dallas Hispanic leadership is clearly more La Raza oriented - they are more old guard 3rd-5th generation - but they are at war with the new arrivals from Mexico and Central America who are more independent (and speak Spanish not texmex) - these people work 3 jobs just to keep their kids out of the mess of the Dallas School district

my point is it is mixed.

I love federalism because we are no seeing the first effects of these anti-undocumented immigrants local ordinances - Hispanic US citizens in these communities are seeing their businesses closed from a lack of business as the undocumented immigrants are leaving town - these communities are also seeing a fall in sales taxes, property taxes (empty homes and apartments)

Many of these Hispanics were independents and are now going to vote Democrat - they are blaming the Republicans for losing their businesses.

At the end of the day Hispanics are like everyone else - politics is local - it will change from community to community and based on the mix of old guard Hispanics and the new arrivals just now getting their citizenship papers

My federalism comment is about - how great it is we can experiment with a policy at the local level before it becomes national policy - this is one of our great strengths as a country.
Bobby Wightman-Cervantes
www.balancingtheissues.com

Posted by: Bobby Wightman-Cervantes | November 2, 2006 11:08 AM | Report abuse

JEP: Here's one way to help injured vets outside the VA system - http://www.fallenheroesfund.org/fallenheroes/index.php

Posted by: Nor'Easter | November 2, 2006 11:03 AM | Report abuse

SURPRISE!

This one-liner was buried in an article about Saddam's current trial, "Saddam is due to hear a verdict and a possible death sentence in a separate trial, for crimes against humanity involving Shi'ites, on November 5."

That's right, two days before our elections, a MEDIA EVENT sentence for Saddam.... this must be the GOP OCTOBER SURPRISE!

http://whathappenedtomycountry.blogspot.com

Posted by: Truth Hunter | November 2, 2006 10:59 AM | Report abuse

BlueDog: "...but vets will have an impact on the Senate races." - As much as I'd like to think that, I just don't see it happening.

Witness the 2004 and 2006 Swiftboatings of Kerry.

We came out of VietNam with the Chicken Hawks saying, "We're never going to let this happen to our troops again!" and yet they do it time and again, and the vets and Veterans organizations follow like sheep when the Commander-In-Chief rings the bell.

This country has a Pavlovian response to John Wayne, the Flag, etc. It's all emotion vs. logic; and it works for the charlatans every time.

I don't see anything to indicate that that has changed.

Posted by: Nor'Easter | November 2, 2006 10:57 AM | Report abuse

sorry for the double post, but wanted to sign

Posted by: DCA2CMH | November 2, 2006 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Andy R;

"It legitamizes the view that HE lost the presidential election in 04."
Actually, I think it was a hatchet job, the MSM promoted it, the vote count guartanteed it, there was no way without a 60-40 split that he had a chance to beat the media moguls and Rove.

Kerry didn't respond instinctively in 2004, instead he "gentlemanned" himself right out of the White House, like GORE BEFORE HIM.

Just a note about the VA budget and returning vets;

My dad is a WW2 vet, just after Bush got into office, they cut funding so precipitously, he spent four years waiting on dentures.

They had removed his teeth under better funding, then left him toothless for four years until he wrote a letter to the head of the VA about it, and to some of his state politicians.

He's got his teeth now, but he had to fight for them.

I also heard a story about a big kid from Kansas who was burned so badly in Iraq, he came home with terrible scars and a severe handicap. He was in constant pain and was still healing when he returnde.

He had sent all his money home while in country, but his "sweetheart" dumped him when he got home, and he ended up in a homeless shelter, and then hitchhiking up the road looking for a vets hospital that would take him in until he healed up better.

Someone here in town helped him make his way to the Vets hospital in Wichita, but he went on again from there and lost touch.

This reminds me of Viet Nam vets my own age, who came back from Nam with broken limbs and broken psyches, and plunged into homelessness, heroin addiction and lifelong despair.

What sort of safety net do we have now, to protect our returning heroes from this sad fate?

The process of caring for our vets isn't just broken, it seems to be back-pedalling, not progressing. So many of these soldiers are returning with concussion and dismemberment injuries, the trauma doesn't always go away when the wound heals over, and this dirty little war seems to be particularly destructive in this way.

I can not understand why any military veteran would choose to support the status-quo, especially a combat vet. This administration and thier congressional and supreme court minions have handed our military over to the Wall Street book-cookers (Rumsfeld and Cheney) and they are "downsizing it" into oblivion. The VA will no doubt be one of their worst vistims.

Even your Generals know this.

Posted by: JEP | November 2, 2006 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Bobby,

My apologies if I implied Hispanics vote as a bloc. I'm well aware of the many idiosyncrasies of the demographic. What I'm wondering is what's the likelihood of hispanic voter turnout? Given the internal cultural differences, my experience shows a 60/40 split towards Dem's this time around, since most of the issues are not "family value" issues (which would reverse the numbers). Outside south Texas, have you heard anything? Thanks.

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The real difference between the parties regarding Vet benefits is what they do in correlation to what they say. The GOP talks a good game, but their actions don't match the talk. We at least knew that many Dem's looked at the VA budget as a place to cut costs. We disagreed with them, voted against a lot of them. But now the GOP has hurt us too, all the while saying they support us. I'd rather argue with a Dem and try to change his mind, than get stabbed in the back by a GOPher. Both are frustrating, but at least with the Dem you can see the knife coming.

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Drindl-

You write "I had a lot of friends and relatives who got messed up in Vietnam and it was really hard watching the ones who made it back try to put the pieces together."

Mary Jo Kilroy (D- challenger to R- Deborah Pryce in OH-15) just started airing an ad with a soldier paralyzed in Bagdhad. His verbatim states R-Pryce has no right to criticize Kilroy on security, as it was her votes to reduce body armor and not enact the 9/11 commission findings that are putting us at risk. Very hard hitting to the #4 Repub in the House.

JEP-

I posted the "flea" comment on the last thread. No DeWine/Delay connection that I know of. However, there is a very solid DeWine/Tom Noe connection. Noe is the former commissioner of the Ohio Bureau of Workers Compensation who lost and embezzled millions of state dollars, and funneled a good bit of it into Bush's '04 campaign. Noe is now facing over 100 conspiracy and criminal counts.

Posted by: DCA2CMH | November 2, 2006 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Drindl-

You write "I had a lot of friends and relatives who got messed up in Vietnam and it was really hard watching the ones who made it back try to put the pieces together."

Mary Jo Kilroy (D- Challenger to R- Deborah Pryce in OH-15) just started airing an ad with a soldier paralyzed in Bagdhad. His verbatim states R-Pryce has no right to criticize Kilroy on security, as it was her votes to reduce body armor and not enact the 9/11 commission findings that are putting us at risk. Very hard hitting to the #4 Repub in the House.

JEP-

I posted the "flea" comment on the last thread. No DeWine/Delay connection that I know of. However, there is a very solid DeWine/Tom Noe connection. Noe is the former commissioner of the Ohio Bureau of Workers Compensation who lost and embezzled millions of state dollars, and funneled a good bit of it into Bush's '04 campaign. Noe is now facing over 100 conspiracy and criminal counts.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2006 10:46 AM | Report abuse

BlueDog-- I am kind of awed by your selflessness. I really mean that. You have trememdous courage and conviction and we, as a country, are tremendously lucky to have people like you in the service. God bless you.

Posted by: drindl | November 2, 2006 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Drindl - bottom line is I voted mostly Democratic (Texas has two weeks of early voting) - reality is most places on the ballot only gave me a choice between Libertarian and Republican - Democrats have abandoned Texas

As a gay male I wonder how it is possible that there are only 2 anti-gay federal laws - Don't Ask Don't Tell, and in Defense of Marriage Act - both supported by and signed by Bill Clinton -

Drindl under your reasoning how could a gay person ever vote Democrat - politics is so much more complex

For the record Bill Clinton gets an "F" on veteran benefits - he was asked to fix the problem and he said "drop dead" to the veterans.

This is what happened - every time a military base closes down military retirees go from using the hospital at the military base to using the VA hospital - the VA hospitals became overwhelmed under Bill Clinton - not George W. - Before George W was elected some clinics at the VA Hospital in Dallas had a two year waiting list

Clinton was asked to transfer the savings from closing the base hospitals to the VA so as to make up for the increased patient load - Bill Clinton said "drop dead."

Drindl I deal in facts - neither party cares one IOTA about veterans

Bobby Wightman-Cervantes
www.balancingtheissues.com

Posted by: Bobby Wightman-Cervantes | November 2, 2006 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Here's the 'terror' we were waiting for -- except the FBI won't corroborate his story, and we learned after the original big brouhaha we learned that mxing these chemicals together in a plane's bathroom would be about as easy as making as creating cold fusion in your bathtub---I'm just wondering when we get the obligatory bin Ladin tape -- November 6? I'll take bets on it if anyone is willing...

'A group of alleged terrorists arrested in London in August planned to blow up airliners over U.S. cities to maximize casualties, rather than over the Atlantic Ocean as many intelligence officials originally thought, according to recent remarks by a senior FBI official.

The comments by Mark Mershon, head of the FBI's New York field office, indicate that U.S. and British intelligence officials now think that the airliner plot was aimed at maximizing the potential loss of life and economic impact.

"The plan was bring them down over U.S. cities, not over the ocean," Mershon said Oct. 24 at the Infosecurity 2006 conference in New York, according to Government Security News, which first reported the remarks this week.

Authorities had previously said it was unclear where the alleged terrorists intended to detonate liquid explosives, which they planned to smuggle onto as many as 10 transatlantic flights. Michael P. Jackson, deputy secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, said shortly after the plot was thwarted that while the conspirators appeared to be targeting nonstop flights to the United States, "the real focus was to blow up airliners and the people on them."

Christine Monaco, a spokeswoman for the FBI in New York, declined to comment on Mershon's speech.'

Posted by: drindl | November 2, 2006 10:38 AM | Report abuse

"Why is our military sacrificing their lives so rich people can get a tax cut?"

Good question. The answer is easy, though. We serve the constitution.
The military is not in charge of the government (Thank God). We/they are a tool of the government. When used effectively, quite a powerful tool (WWII, Korea, Panama, Grenada, Gulf I, Afghanistan). When used poorly, a tool blunted and damaged (Vietnam, IRAQ). We don't expect to always be used wisely, but we do expect to be used, and sometimes it is necessary. When that occurs, we need the best troops fighting to insure a swift and definitive victory. That also means that the best troops fight when a poor decision is made. That then puts the nation at greater risk in the event another more legitimate need for combat troops arises. So I tend to vote for candidates who I think will use our military force wisely. I voted for Bush 1 for instance. I couldn't imagine Michael Dukakis running a war very well. In the late 1980's everyone in the services knew the middle east was a powderkeg, it was just a question of when.

Being in the military is the ultimate form of Public Service, a noble profession. I've been asked many times "Why did you join the military?", when I had many other options. "To serve my country so others don't have to" is my stock reply. If the best and brightest of us go into public service, the country benefits the most. Imagine if all your teachers in public schools had PhD's. Am I "the best and brighest"? No, certainly not, but I knew I had something I could contribute and was willing to do so. That doesn't make me special or anything, just a vet.

Mostly off topic, sorry, my soapbox is frothing, but vets will have an impact on the Senate races.

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Here's the 'terror' we were waiting for -- except the FBI won't corroborate his story, and we learned after the original big brouhaha we learned that mxing these chemicals together in a plane's bathroom would be about as easy as making as creating cold fusion in your bathtub---I'm just wondering when we get the obligatory bin Ladin tape -- November 6? I'll take bets on it if anyone is willing...

'A group of alleged terrorists arrested in London in August planned to blow up airliners over U.S. cities to maximize casualties, rather than over the Atlantic Ocean as many intelligence officials originally thought, according to recent remarks by a senior FBI official.

The comments by Mark Mershon, head of the FBI's New York field office, indicate that U.S. and British intelligence officials now think that the airliner plot was aimed at maximizing the potential loss of life and economic impact.

"The plan was bring them down over U.S. cities, not over the ocean," Mershon said Oct. 24 at the Infosecurity 2006 conference in New York, according to Government Security News, which first reported the remarks this week.

Authorities had previously said it was unclear where the alleged terrorists intended to detonate liquid explosives, which they planned to smuggle onto as many as 10 transatlantic flights. Michael P. Jackson, deputy secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, said shortly after the plot was thwarted that while the conspirators appeared to be targeting nonstop flights to the United States, "the real focus was to blow up airliners and the people on them."

Christine Monaco, a spokeswoman for the FBI in New York, declined to comment on Mershon's speech.'

Posted by: drindl | November 2, 2006 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I heard an interesting audio clip this morning on the CBS Radio News of the Vice President making a joke of Sen. Kerry's gaff.

The White House says that it was virtually a sacrilege for Sen. Kerry to make the comment which he made, yet the Vice President can use it for campaign comedy?

Posted by: Nor'Easter | November 2, 2006 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Here we go again. It upsets me that the Republicans get away with this again and again. They try to create chaos and long lines at the polls in largely Democratic precincts, and they threaten and intimidate mostly Black voters and precinct workers. The following excerpts are taken from an article in today's Post:

A recently distributed guide for Republican poll watchers in Maryland spells out how to aggressively challenge the credentials of voters and urges these volunteers to tell election judges they could face jail time if a challenge is ignored.

Democrats said yesterday they consider the handbook, obtained by The Washington Post, evidence of a Republican effort to block people from voting Tuesday.

"The tenor of the material is that they are asking folks, if not directing them, to challenge voters," said Bruce L. Marcus, an attorney for the state Democratic Party. "It's really tantamount to a suppression effort."

Advocacy groups including the National Campaign for Fair Elections, Common Cause and the NAACP, as well as a George Washington University professor who is an expert on voter suppression, agreed with that assessment.

Barbara Burt of Common Cause said the technique, last seen in Ohio in the 2004 presidential election, is an "insidious voter intimidation tactic."

No one disputes the legality of having poll watchers set up folding chairs and monitor the election on behalf of their party. Typically, though, poll watchers are present to help ensure that their party's supporters get to vote, not the other way around.

Democrats, for instance, have distributed advice to their poll watchers to "make sure that voters are not being turned away."

The GOP poll-watcher program, outlined in a 13-page document, states: "Your most important duty as a poll worker is to challenge people who present themselves to vote but who are not authorized to vote."

It cautions, "Undoubtedly, the challenge process will be awkward and may cause consternation on the part of the challenged voter as well as the judges." It advises, "If there is cause to make a challenge, you should not hesitate to do so merely because it upsets the challenged voter or the election judges."

It adds, "If the election judge should try to ignore your challenge, point out that they would be committing a criminal offense punishable by not less than 30 days in jail."

Jonah H. Goldman, director of the National Campaign for Fair Elections, said the program "raises serious concerns."

"When you have a political party telling people their Number 1 responsibility is to challenge voters, our ears certainly perk up," Goldman said. "This could either be intended to challenge voters in a discriminatory way or in a disruptive way. A lot of times, they just try to cause chaos and long lines."

Spencer A. Overton, the GWU professor, said a program designed to encourage Election Day challenges has the potential to disenfranchise black voters. "Parties target particular communities, and they don't apply the rules uniformly to all voters in all areas," Overton said.

Posted by: Progressive | November 2, 2006 10:30 AM | Report abuse

'Majority Leader John Boehner (R-OH): Don't blame Rummy. It was the friggin' soldiers who screwed up.

'This afternoon on Blitzer's Situation Room, Wolf reads John Boehner a list of Republicans criticizing or calling for the resignation of Don Rumsfeld. And Boehner responds ...

BOEHNER: Wolf, I understand that, but let's not blame what's happening in Iraq on Rumsfeld.
BLITZER: But he's in charge of the military.

BOEHNER: But the fact is, the generals on the ground are in charge, and he works closely with them and the president.'

So Boehner blames the military for Iraq [although of course rummy take caredit in the beginning when things were looking good] -- and where is the press on this? Nowhere to be seen. They can take something kerry said --a gaffe-- and turn it into an international case, but R's can trash the military and no one reports it.

And Bobby, I just don't understand. When the republican administration is making vets in wheelchairs sleep in cars [which is so outrageous i could kill someone] and you're more mad at Democrats?!!! I just don't get it.

Posted by: drindl | November 2, 2006 10:29 AM | Report abuse

The immigration issue is not black and white - the Democrats support allowing wealthy Mexican nationals to enroll their children in our schools even though they live in Mexico and use false addresses in Brownsville - we call it the mordida (the bite) or bribe - this makes Hispanics in brownsville mad -

The wall on the other hand makes them mad against the Republicans - the border patrol opposes the wall because it leaves them as dead ducks if on the wrong side of the wall when being shot at by the drug gangs. Also we know the wall will not stop the illegal immigration

As to Irag - percentage wise (per capita) South Texas has produced more Iraqi war veterans than any other region in the US. I have complained and documented the incredibly bad healthcare being offered South Texas veterans - the clinic in Harlingen Texas is a bastion of the most incompetent doctors you can find

I had to go all the way to Tim McClain (VA General Counsel) to get a new doctor - my old doctor overruled the decisions of my specialists in Dallas thereby resulting in me becoming prediabetic again - he does not believe in medicine only diet (which does not work when you have NASH)

my reward for fighting for VA benefits has been to have all of my appointments at the Harlingen clinic cancelled -

I am being told they have a new rule - they now only give appointments to set appointments - yea right - if this is correct then Bush needs to apologize to veterans for effectively taking away our health benefits

The Veterans are mad in South Texas - mostly Hispanics - the problem is they are more angry with how the Democrats have dismissed us as their lapdogs for so long -offers of reconciliation from the Democrats at this time is like John Kerry trying to apologize - too little too late - it is so sad

It is so bad that the VA San Antonio sets our appointments for 8 in the morning - that means we leave at 2 in the morning to make the appointment or arrive the day b4 - problem is the VA is no longer providing overnight accomodations for all of the veterans from South Texas - during my last visit I was in near shock as Veterans in wheel chairs and walkers were being told to sleep in their cars by VA staff which give new meaning to the word rude and unprofessional

Bobby Wightman-Cervantes
www.balancingtheissues.com

Posted by: Boby Wightman-Cervantes | November 2, 2006 10:22 AM | Report abuse

It is nice to see the DSCC finally recognizing that Kyl can be taken down. He has never polled above 50% and in the current national environment and with Napolitano cruising to reelection Pederson has a real chance. It is a long-shot as CC points out but when the wave comes (and on the record I think it is going to be HUGE) Kyl could easily get swept by the wayside.

Posted by: Andy R | November 2, 2006 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Blue Dog, Thanks for your service.

In case you missed the Keith Olbermann essay on MSNBC last night, I have a link to the video on my site. It's entitled, "There is no line this President has not crossed."

http://whathappenedtomycountry.blogspot.com

Posted by: Truth Hunter | November 2, 2006 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Bobby, my thoughts are that Kerry's comments hurt democrats in a general sense but that the effects won't translate into any real momentum for the GOP. First off, everyone will say "Well that is why I didn't vote for him in 2004". It legitamizes the view that HE lost the presidential election in 04. Also it is true that most elections are local. Now the national mood carries alot of weight in shaping the debate, but a screw-up by a senator from Massachusetts won't effect the way someone votes in Kentucky.

Also I agree that he is now dead in the water for '08. That helps a few people in my eyes. The big winner though is John Edwards. He can now tap into the donor pool that Kerry would have had locked up, which Edwards will need to take on the likes of Clinton or Obama.

Posted by: Andy R | November 2, 2006 10:13 AM | Report abuse

'Conservative columnist Robert Novak says that Senator George Allen has let the Virginia Senate race "devolve from a serious campaign into a circus campaign," and that, "It is much easier to dump an incumbent in a circus campaign than it is in a serious campaign."

OK, so there was Macaca. Then there was some old N-word stuff. Then there was the Jewish stuff. Then there was some new, more concentrated N-word stuff with severed deer heads and offended little old ladies and so forth. Then there was the Webb-writes-naughty-words stuff. Then there was Allen's divorce and police records. Then a guy was put in a headlock and thrown to the ground by Allen staffers for asking a mean question. Then Allen blamed the incident on his challenger Jim Webb, even though there is no proof whatsoever that the man who was tackled is in any way affiliated with the Webb campaign and Webb himself says he does not know the man. And then Times-Dispatch columnist Ray McAllister summed up the whole race with the headline Allen-Webb race could best be settled in 'Thunderdome.'

Posted by: jana | November 2, 2006 10:10 AM | Report abuse

'A Weldon spot addresses the federal probe without mentioning it directly, using the voices of ordinary voters. The commercial begins with a question - "Would you give a friend the benefit of a doubt?" - and concludes with the answer: "He's been there for us. Now it's our turn to be there for him."

This must be a GOP version of the civic compact I'm not familiar with. Congressman represents constituents. In turn constituents stand by him when he's investigated for taking bribes.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2006 10:07 AM | Report abuse

BlueDog- you're welcome. I had a lot of friends and relatives who got messed up in Vietnam and it was really hard watching the ones who made it back try to put the pieces together. It makes me gag to hear this strutting a**hole rumsfeld talk, just gag, knowing how he and this whole administration and republican congress just blithely send other people's spouses and children off to be butchered and then don't even have the common decency and humanity to take care of them.

Why is our military sacrificing their lives so rich people can get a tax cut?

Posted by: drindl | November 2, 2006 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Bobby,

I've been unable to get a read on how the issues are playing with the Hispanic voters, primarily immigration, the "wall, and Iraq. There was a hell of a turnout earlier in 1 day protests around the nation. Anybody got a read on this?

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 10:00 AM | Report abuse

harlottesville investigators are looking into possible charges as a result of Tuesday's physical confrontation at an Allen campaign stop.

That video of the incident is the centerpiece of an investigation that has much of the country watching. 8News Anchor AJ Lagoe sat down with Charlottesville Police Chief to discuss what's happening.

On Wednesday police served search warrants on the tv stations here in charlottesville that shot this video of the disturbance at senator allen's rally--they're now using the video to determine whether the incident warrants criminal charges.

Now, police are trying to identify everyone in the video. Chief Longo says, "We have identified a number of people we need to have a discussion with at some point in the next day or so."

Among those people who will be interviewed, as a witness to the scuffle, will be Senator Allen himself. Investigators say there are still a lot of unanswered questions.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2006 9:59 AM | Report abuse

"loudly proclaiming how they 'support the troops' then cutting their benefits"

Thanks, Drndl. Those of us who are vets salute you. IMHO this is going to play heavily in several VET heavy regions (Hampton Roads, Virginia for example). The vet groups are VERY good at getting the word out regarding who supported vet causes. I'm hearing a lot of grumbling about the vet benefit cuts and I predict a significant turnout for Dem's. I'm not predicting a majority, just a larger percentage than in the past, every little bit helps. Older vet's are particularly likely to vote and they are quite upset about the benefits issue. For more on who supports veterans issues go to www.iava.org.

Posted by: BlueDog | November 2, 2006 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"$250,000 ELECTION FRAUD REWARD FUND"

There's a meaningful place to make a "campaign" donation...

Now we're talkin'!

This has got to make the rovians and blackwellians weak in the knees.

Posted by: JEP | November 2, 2006 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Hey che, thanks for the info. i was going to take my videocam to the polls anyway, now i know who to call if I see anything. We have to take this into our own hands people, if we don't do it, we only have ourselves to blame if we get cheated out of another election.

Posted by: drindl | November 2, 2006 9:54 AM | Report abuse

A side note -

The Hispanic vote is very controversial - the extreme right wing of the Reputricans are convinced that Hispanics are crazed liberals and this is why we need to slow down their influx into the country -

The fact of the matter is - Central Americans tend to be independents, and Cubans tend to be Republicans.

Here in Texas the Democratic candidate for the US Senate is polling only in the high 20's - this will be a record low for a Democrat in a statewide race if the numbers hold

My point is, here in a Hispanic state like Texas - in a year when Republicans are running for cover - the Democratic candidate will set a state record with the poorest showing for a Democratic in Texas history.

Maybe, just maybe, the Reputricans should look to Texas and rethink their policies against Hispanics - for Radnofsky to have such a bad showing Hispanics have to be turning out in large numbers for the Republicans

Even Democratic sheriffs and mayors in South Texas are asking Democrats to vote Republican - namely Governor Rick Perry -

It just goes to show that without the legalization of pot, Texas can be turned upside down- or the Democrats have been so dismissive of the needs of the Hispanic community that the Hispanic community has abandoned the Democratic Party -

I remain a democrat - but it is time the Democrats offer us in South Texas something more than corrupt politicians and food stamps - how about honesty - and an opportunity for a real job.

Bobby Wightman-Cervantes
www.balancingtheissues.com

Posted by: Bobby Wightman-Cervantes | November 2, 2006 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Che: please cut it out.

As an example, here's a link to a relevant article describing how the GOP is relying on "Dems = higher taxes = death = the terrorists win" strategy: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/01/AR2006110103178.html

I see this crap all the time in the GOP ads on the tube these days. They are obviously truly desperate. When do the voters think we're going to hit bottom on the national debt? Everybody hates taxes but do you also believe in pay-as-you-go? Apparently the GOP doesn't based on the recent facts. Will the voters eventually wise up and realize that no taxes (which seems to be the only position the less intelligent R's will accept) = no America? When do we get to bundle the "I want even lower taxes" crowd in with the "I hate America" crowd?

Longer term: will the "Dems =highertaxes, Dems =highertaxes, Dems =highertaxes, Dems =highertaxes.....etc." chanting lead to overexposure on this issue in 2008? No matter who the Dems nominate the R's WILL trot out this old chesnut regardless of how financially 'irresponsible' (I put the word in quotes because it's inadequate to describe what's happened) they themselves have been.

Posted by: Judge C. Crater | November 2, 2006 9:53 AM | Report abuse

The poll showed that 29 percent of Americans approve of the way President Bush is managing the war, matching the lowest mark of his presidency. Nearly 70 percent said Mr. Bush did not have a plan to end the war, and 80 percent said Mr. Bush's latest effort to rally public support for the conflict amounted to a change in language but not policy.

The poll underlined the extent to which the war has framed the midterm elections. Americans cited Iraq as the most important issue affecting their vote, and majorities of Republicans and Democrats said they wanted a change in approach. Twenty percent said they thought the United States was winning in Iraq, down from a high this year of 36 percent in January.

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Make Them Steal Your Vote - Election Protection

There's been much wringing of hand and gnashing of tooth over the impending 2006 Stolen Elections (myself included). With stories breaking into the corporate MSM (esp. Lou Dobbs on CNN) of Dieblod's voting machine vulnerabilities, touch screen machines flipping votes to repubs in S FL, and voting machine "sleep-overs" in San Diego,CA.

While not, perhaps, the intended effect, this news has the psychological effect of discouraging and dissuading active participation in our democratic process (ie: Voter Suppression). The wife, however, in her infinite wisdom, has a simple answer to these developments - "I'm going to vote, they're not going to stop me, I'm going to make them steal my vote". So what can we do to catch the Republican Dirty Tricksters trying to steal our votes? Below are listed several Election Protection initiatives to help stop the disenfranchisement by the Republican election suppression machine and maybe catch them red-handed. Make them steal your vote....

There are several ways to particiapte in Election Protection activities. One of the latest is called Video the Vote. Our own Bob Fertik has started a Blue Revolution slated for election night. There are toll-free hotlines to call in problems. Even do-it yourself exit polling...


* Election Protection Hotline. If you encounter any problem in the voting process call 1-866-OUR-VOTE (1-866-687-8683) for English or 1-888-VEY-VOTA (1-888-839-8682 para la ayuda en espanol).

* Working Asset's Voter Protection Immediate Response Network. We may not have enough time to email you, but we can deliver a text message or place a call straight to your phone with a short and easy action that could help save the election. Signing up takes only a moment, and you'll be a great service in helping protect the election. We may need to urge the local election offices to keep the polls open to compensate for delayed poll openings, such as what happened in Maryland's primary this year. We might push for more voting machines to be delivered to precincts with very long lines. We may need to show up in person and witness poll-closing procedures. We might also need to show up in person at our county election offices to protest voter fraud or voter intimidation at the polls. And we may need people to go with video cameras in hand, interview voters who've had problems, and then post that video to the web.

* People for the American Way's Election Protection 365. National, state, and local members of the Election Protection coalition are working at a fever pitch to get this historic voter protection program's Election Day components ready to go. Are you part of the effort? People For the American Way Foundation has taken responsibility inside the coalition to help in five key states: Ohio, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Florida and New Jersey. We need you to help us there. Can you volunteer?

* Election Verification Exit Poll. To protect the vote count, we must have an independent way to assess the will of the voters. For this reason, the Vote Count Protection Project includes an Election Verification Exit Poll. In selected precincts, we will interview a representative sample of voters to determine their choices of candidates. The raw data, precinct by precinct, will be publicly posted. This transparency will allow statisticians of every political stripe to perform independent analyses. Note that media-sponsored exit polls, such as the 2004 US Presidential exit poll, do not make their raw data available in this way, and are not Election Verification Exit Polls. Read the Election Verification Exit Poll plan details (PDF, 104Kb).

* Do Your Own Exit Poll: While we cannot take responsibility for exit polls that we do not supervise ourselves, there is no harm in your doing a poll in your own region. Here are instructions for doing your own election verification exit poll...

* Election Defense Alliance. The purpose of EDA is to help build and coordinate a comprehensive, cohesive national strategy for the election integrity movement, in order to regain public control of the voting process in the United States, and to insure that the process is honest, transparent, secure, subject to unambiguous verification, and worthy of the public trust.

* Verified Voting.org's Election Transparency Project. Do you wonder whether your vote counts? Are you losing faith in our electoral process? Do you think our elections are as accurate as they should be? Are you concerned that the results might be vulnerable to fraud or machine failure?

* VotersUnite.org. A non-partisan national grassroots resource for fair and accurate elections! We believe in the power of facts.

* Video the Vote. In 2000 and 2004, problems plagued the polls in different parts of the country: long lines, eligible voters turned away, voter intimidation, misallocation and malfunctioning of voting equipment. They were underreported on Election Day. Days and weeks later, a more complete picture of voter disenfranchisement emerged--but it was too late. The elections were over and the media had moved on. Starting this election, citizen journalists--people like you and I--will document problems as they occur. We'll play them online, spread word through blogs and partner websites, doing our part to make sure the full story of our elections is told.

* VelvetRevolution.us has launched an Election Protection Strike Force as a new approach to grassroots action, a multi-pronged campaign to put elections back in the hands of the people. The Election Protection Strike Force will target electronic voting problems and voter disenfranchisement schemes through: $250,000 ELECTION FRAUD REWARD FUND to encourage whistleblowers to share information about election rigging. This reward will be paid for information about election fraud leading to overturning a House or Senate. Hotline - call: 1-888 VOTETIP


If you know of any other Election Protection initiatives please list them below in comments.

Also check Alternet editor Don Hazen's excellent article "How to Stop the November Elections from Being Stolen" quoting democrats.com's own Bob Fertik...

...So what do you tell voters to help them combat this psychological problem that could depress voting? "I tell voters we have to win by such an overwhelming margin that it isn't close enough to steal," says Bob Fertik, the head of Democrats.com, an activist web site not part of the Democratic party, that calls themselves aggressive progressives...


...Democrats.com's Bob Fertik says, "We have to get involved in organized efforts to audit the elections by groups like www.ElectionDefenseAlliance.org, www.VelvetRevolution.us, www.BlackBoxVoting.org, etc. I'd also like to see Democratic voters hold candlelight vigils outside each county's board of elections after the polls close, holding signs saying 'Count Every Vote' and 'No More Stolen Elections!' Imagine a Blue Revolution, every bit as joyous and historic as the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, the Cedar Revolution Lebanon, the Velvet Revolution in Czechoslovakia -- right here in the United States of America...."

Posted by: che | November 2, 2006 9:39 AM | Report abuse

This goes back to Dec. 2005, and addresses the issue of Dewine's shady connections, which places him squarely at the K-Street end of that DC hog trough.

It may well be just the tip of the R scandal iceberg, it is a wonder more Dems have not felt compelled to respond to the R's attack ads with some of this evidence.

For all they know, the voters of Ohio (or Montana OR California) may well be re-electing a future felon to office, if they send Dewine, Burns, Pombo and Doolittle back to DC.

Why would these guy want to win another term? And just how big is the R iceberg still submerged beneath the waves in the Abramoff Sea of Lies?

http://www.buckeyesenateblog.com/2005/12/dewine_and_abra.html

Posted by: JEP | November 2, 2006 9:35 AM | Report abuse

'Conservative columnist Ann Coulter has refused to cooperate in an investigation into whether she voted in the wrong precinct, so the case will probably be turned over to prosecutors, Palm Beach County's elections chief said Wednesday.

Elections Supervisor Arthur Anderson said his office has been looking into the matter for nearly nine months, and he would turn over the case to the state attorney's office by Friday.

Coulter's attorney did not immediately return a call Wednesday. Nor did her publicist at her publisher, Crown Publishing.

Knowingly voting in the wrong precinct is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

Anderson's office received a complaint in February that Coulter voted in the wrong precinct during a February 7 Palm Beach town council election.

Anderson said a letter was sent to Coulter on March 27 requesting that she clarify her address for the voting records "or face the possibility of her voter registration being rescinded." Three more letters were sent to Coulter and her attorney, but she has yet to respond with the information requested, Anderson said.'

seems like palm beach is a haven for reich wing mafia thugs like coulter & limbaugh who feel that laws are for little people...

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2006 9:34 AM | Report abuse

'Mr. Maliki has repeatedly acted to soothe this frustration in recent weeks with policy moves asserting his own independence from the Americans. Last month, he demanded that the American military release a Shiite cleric whom it had suspected of death squad activity, and on Tuesday, he ordered the lifting of an American security cordon here. He has to ask American permission as he does not have operational control of the American forces.

"Now they hear about amnesty for Baathists," Mr. Askari said, referring to the Sunni-dominated party that ran the country under Saddam Hussein. And Sadr City, the largest Shiite district, he said, "is surrounded from all sides. If it continues like this, it is very dangerous."

Mr. Maliki even refused an American request last month for amnesty for some prisoners at the end of Ramadan, Mr. Askari said. Many in American facilities are Sunni Arabs, and Shiites often say that Americans release too many of them.

That argument goes to the very heart of the war here, which has shifted from a Sunni-led insurgency to an even deadlier conflict in which Shiite and Sunni militias force members of the other group out of neighborhoods and carry out revenge killings with relative impunity. But while formerly these arguments were the domain of Iraq's most partisan politicians, Mr. Maliki himself is now putting them forth in a sign of just how strained relations with the American military have become.

They are also deeply troubling to American military commanders, who fear the government will use the security forces, largely Shiite, selectively to protect Shiites, or in an even darker possibility, as a fighting force on one side of a civil war.

American officials have expressed frustration with the government of Mr. Maliki, saying it has been slow to begin to make changes badly needed to stabilize the country and that action against death squads is just one of them. Mr. Khalilzad detailed a series of goals last month in remarks that Mr. Maliki angrily dismissed as "inaccurate."

How much more of a total freaking meltdown ould this possibly be?

Posted by: drindl | November 2, 2006 9:30 AM | Report abuse

'USAT fronts a look at how many combat veterans are being dismissed from the Marines when they express classic symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder (such as drug abuse and alcoholism) and are then denied medical benefits to treat their illness. The Marine Corps says it is investigating the issue and so far has identified 1,019 Marines who may fall in this category.'

This is a freaking disgrace... what I despise most about republicans are the way they use our soldiers as a prop -- loudly proclaiming how they 'support the troops' then cutting their benefits. Rumsfeld is the worst -- the most disgusting abuser of the military I have ever seen. They just grind kids up and throw them away. Party of death.

Posted by: drindl | November 2, 2006 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and Bobby, I agree that Kerry just took himself out of the 2008 race. To my great relief. I think he has been trying to figure out how to lash out at Swift Boating but he doesn't quite have Obama's 'touch' in that department.

Posted by: Judge C. Crater | November 2, 2006 9:20 AM | Report abuse

As much as I admire some aspects of Howard Dean the apparent success of his "50 State Strategy" is primarily due to Iraq. It was the right thing at the right time but it could very well have been NOT the right time if Iraq-fatigue had not been on the verge of setting in. That and the tendency for the GOP to shoot itself in the foot thanks to the rapidly increasing stupidity of its Congressional members.

I do think it's amusing that Bush is running around trying to get people fired up about Iraq and sidestep the coming train. He's broadcasting the "All Fear All the Time" channel. Funny how a few thousand totally futile deaths will take the wind out of people's sails. Of course, only those who still believe that Iraq attacked us on 9/11 keep doggedly jumping up and down at his pep rallies.

Posted by: Judge C. Crater | November 2, 2006 9:18 AM | Report abuse

From the last thread, but certainly germane to this discussion..

Someone from Ohio posted;
"when you lie with dogs, you're bound to get fleas"

Speaking of dogs and fleas, what was Dewine's Delay connection?

Seems to me there was more than one reference, but I can't find them now.. or was it the Foley scandal, somehow Dewine had connections that Brown has never exploited.

Imagine if the roles were reversed!

But are these potentially indictable offenses, like Pombo and Doolittle in California and Burns in Montana (that is a short "short list") might face, especially if they get re-elected?

Some of these guys like Dewine would be smarter to pull off thier own macaca moment shortly before Tuesday, and assure a last-minute loss. The further away from Washington they are over the next couple years, the better thier chances of staying out of the hoozgow.

But if they win, they get stood right back up in the scrutiny spotlight that has been shining on Congress since Delay just before bit the dust. If the hammer can fall, everyone from the bottom up could see the same fate.

That old "Delay" dirt rubs off, but it won't come off. Kinda' like an oil stain.

Truth is surely a cleansing factor. Washington DC may not be a friendly place for those who illegally took part in the feeding frenzy at the neocon/K-street no-bid hog trough.

Posted by: JEP | November 2, 2006 9:13 AM | Report abuse

While I would love nothing more than for the Dems to take the Senate I must question the objectivity which does not put Tenn in leans Reputrican at this point.

My question to the group is, has Kerry actually helped the Dems in two ways - Harold Ford Jr. was able to use the Kerry mess as a way of saying "Hey look I am not some lapdog for liberal democrats" this is good

Second, if Kerry is now dead in terms of 2008 does that not in fact give the Dems a better chance of taking the White House - if we can now take down HRC we Dems can be assured a White House victory

Bobby Wightman-Cervantes
www.balancingtheissues.com

Posted by: Bobby Wightman-Cervantes | November 2, 2006 9:08 AM | Report abuse

"shipping $1 million to Arizona for a TV buy"

...that's what its all about.

The MSM Hokey Pokey.

Posted by: JEP | November 2, 2006 9:07 AM | Report abuse

With just five days left before Election Day, allegations are springing up like brushfires. Four GOP House seats have been tarred by lobbyist Jack Abramoff's influence-peddling scandal. Five have been adversely affected by then-Rep. Mark Foley's unseemly contacts with teenage male House pages. The remaining half a dozen or so could turn on controversies including offshore tax dodging, sexual misconduct and shady land deals.

Not since the House bank check-kiting scandal of the early 1990s have so many seats been affected by scandals, and not since the Abscam bribery cases of the 1970s have the charges been so serious. But this year's combination of breadth and severity may be unprecedented, suggested Julian E. Zelizer, a congressional historian at Boston University.

"So many different kinds of scandals going on at the same time, that's pretty unique," Zelizer said. "There were scandals throughout the '70s, multiple scandals, but the number of stories now are almost overwhelming."

At least nine GOP seats have been affected by scandals and are highly vulnerable to Democratic takeover next week. Foley's abrupt resignation has jeopardized a Florida House district that had been on no one's radar screen. Under indictment and amid a swirl of ethics investigations, former House majority leader Tom DeLay (Tex.) resigned from Congress earlier this year, forcing Republicans to mount a long-shot write-in campaign for their chosen candidate. Rep. Robert W. Ney's guilty plea last month on corruption charges still hangs over the Ohio campaign of his would-be Republican successor, Joy Padgett, especially because Ney still has not resigned from Congress.

The GOP has all but abandoned longtime Rep. Curt Weldon (Pa.), as federal investigators examine charges that he steered lobbying contracts to his daughter. Weldon went on television yesterday with an ad featuring actors pleading, "Would you give a friend the benefit of the doubt? . . . Today, Curt Weldon needs our support."

Republican campaign strategists fear they have also lost the seat of Rep. Don Sherwood (Pa.), who has been dogged by the settlement of a lawsuit filed by a mistress who charged that Sherwood had throttled her.

Congress watchers once saw the swing seat of Rep. Rick Renzi (R-Ariz.) as a missed opportunity for Democrats. But now, as the U.S. attorney's office in Phoenix examines his role in a land deal for a business partner and political benefactor, Renzi's race with political neophyte Ellen Simon (D) has tightened.

Farther west, Rep. Jon Porter (R-Nev.) has had to contend with charges lodged last month by a longtime former aide, Jim Shepard, that the lawmaker made dozens of illegal fundraising calls from his congressional offices. And two reliably Republican districts in California are under assault by Democrats because Reps. Richard W. Pombo and John T. Doolittle have been linked to Abramoff, the lobbyist who pleaded guilty in January to fraud, tax evasion and conspiracy to bribe public officials.

Beyond those nine jeopardized GOP seats, four other Republicans have been tainted by the Foley page scandal. Rep. Thomas M. Reynolds (N.Y.) chose to issue a public apology after he admitted that he had known about inappropriate contact between Foley and a former page this spring. Democrats have repeatedly hit Rep. Deborah Pryce (Ohio), the House Republican Conference chairman, for inaction on the Foley matter. And Democrats have tried to hold two former members of the Page Board, Reps. Sue W. Kelly (N.Y.) and Heather A. Wilson (N.M.), accountable for Foley's actions.

Meanwhile, new allegations continue to spring up. Vern Buchanan, a Republican running for the Florida seat vacated by Rep. Katherine Harris (R), was the target of local media reports this week detailing his use of business entities in Caribbean tax havens to reduce levies on his auto dealerships. The Albany Times Union published an article yesterday charging that the wife of Rep. John E. Sweeney (R-N.Y.) called police late last year to report that her husband was "knocking her around" during a late-night argument.

And Rep. Christopher Shays (R-Conn.), who made his name pushing campaign finance changes and governance reforms, was confronted with media reports alleging that a 2003 trip to Qatar -- partly funded by a group loosely tied to Abramoff -- had not been properly disclosed.

"The corruption issue plays in two ways: It contributes to the sour mood of the country and to the low job approval of Congress, and it particularly plays in races directly touched by allegations of scandal," said Republican pollster Whit Ayers. "And in those races, it plays a significant role."

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2006 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Let's hear it for Howard Dean and the 50 state strategy. Maybe this will teach the so-called 'centrists' who've led Dems to defeat in the last few contests a little something about where we need to be.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 2, 2006 9:03 AM | Report abuse

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