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John Murtha dies, special election looms

The death of longtime Pennsylvania Rep. John Murtha (D) this afternoon will set off a special election in his very competitive western Pennsylvania 12th district.

According to state law, the governor has ten days once the vacancy is officially declared to decide on the date for the special election, which can come no sooner than 60 days following that proclamation.

That likely means the special election will be held on May 18, which is the date already set for federal primaries around the state. (Special elections costs the state huge sums of money and it's likely that Gov. Ed Rendell will choose to go with an already established election day to save some cash.)

Murtha's passing comes at a tenuous time for House Democrats as they seek to convince some of their older members to re-up for another term in the face of what looks to be a difficult national political environment for the party.

To date, 12 Democrats -- including long-serving Members like John Tanner and Bart Gordon (both of Tennessee) -- are calling it quits at the end of the year. Sixteen Republicans are retiring at the end of the 111th Congress although just four of them are leaving office entirely; the other dozen are running for higher offices like Senate or governor.

Murtha, 77, had held his seat with ease since 1974 even as it became increasingly more competitive between the two parties. The only semi-serious challenge to him in recent years came in a redistricting-forced primary race against then Rep. Frank Mascara in 2002, which Murtha won easily.

He had become a titan within the halls of Congress and a close ally of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.). The Post's Paul Kane, a veteran Congressional reporter and Pennsylvania native, called Murtha an "old bull" and "something of a legend" who "endeared himself to many of his colleagues through a series of earmarks inserted into defense appropriations bills. Kane added that Rep. Norm Dicks (D-Wash.) is likely to be the next chairman of the defense appropriations committee.

"With the passing of Congressman Jack Murtha, America has lost a patriotic veteran, Pennsylvanians have lost a tireless advocate, and we have lost a friend," said Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Chris Van Hollen (Md.).

Without Murtha in the 12th district, however, the special election will be seriously contested. Murtha's district is the only one in the country won by Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) in 2004 and by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in 2008, according to Republican sources, and that trend line coupled with the volatile national environment for Democrats ensures Republicans will heavily target the contest.

Prior to Murtha's passing, there were two Republicans in the race: 2008 nominee Bill Russell and businessman Tim Burns. It remains to be seen whether either or both men run in the special election although, regardless, it is a certainty the field will grow as ambitious Republicans (and Democrats) see the chance to get to Congress in an abbreviated campaign.

"This is not the time for political opportunism," said Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee communications director Jennifer Crider. "Out of respect for Congressman Murtha's family and his decades of service to our country, Republicans should put their partisanship aside and allow Mr. Murtha's family, friends, and constituents time to celebrate his life and mourn his passing."

The Pennsylvania special election is the second Democratic-held special election that will happen in the coming months. Rep. Neil Abercrombie's (D) resignation to focus full-time on his Hawaii gubernatorial campaign has created a vacancy in the Aloha State although no date has been set yet for the special election. Republicans believe that their candidate -- Honolulu City Councilman Charles Djou -- could pull off an upset if state Sen. Colleen Hanabusa and former Rep. Ed Case split the Democratic vote in a jungle primary race where all the candidates will run together.

Murtha's death also makes Pennsylvania perhaps the most competitive state in the country when it comes to the battle for the House. Republicans will target the 4th, 7th, 8th, 10th, 11th and 12th districts while Democrats see opportunity in the 6th and 15th.

By Chris Cillizza  |  February 8, 2010; 4:34 PM ET
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jmr1601, as a fellow veteran I would point out that George Bush and Al Gore did serve their country in uniform. I do not know where you get your information since those two's service has been well reported. I see a similar error when people claim former Defense Sec. Donald Rumsfeld did not serve. He was a Navy pilot. Unfortunately, not enough of our "leaders" have military backgrounds today.

Posted by: Childrex | February 10, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I really wish people would do their homework. Mr. Cillizza, please do some fact checking before you publish your articles. The Pennsylvania Election code states that the governor has 15 days (not 10) to set a date for a special election once a vacancy has been established, and that the election must take place WITHIN 60 days. Do the math. PA will be having a special election in April. In order to have the election on May 18, 2010, which is the state Primary, Election code would have to be changed, which is unlikely at best.

Posted by: freeliving1 | February 9, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

The comment by a reader that smears Al Gore concerning his lack of military service is false. Vice-President Gore served in the Military and also served honorably in Vietnam. To smear him by lumping him with other draft-dodgers like Dick Cheney is a vicious and untrue smear. But then that is what Neocons do all the time. Creepy Swift-boaters in the T. Boone Pickens style.

Posted by: rslip | February 9, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

The comment by a reader that smears Al Gore concerning his lack of military service is false. Vice-President Gore served in the Military and also served honorably in Vietnam. To smear him by lumping him with other draft-dodgers like Dick Cheney is a vicious and untrue smear. But then that is what Neocons do all the time. Creepy Swift-boaters in the T. Boone Pickens style.

Posted by: rslip | February 9, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse


The only thing we owe the dead is the truth. The truth about Murtha is that if he had been a Republican, the mostly-liberal mainstream media would have been all over him for his role in the Abscam (See Eric Pfeiffer’s “Murtha accused of bribe cover-up”, Washington Times, October 5, 2006) and other scumbag scandals. Consider the following:

Murtha was decribed by “Melanie Sloan, the liberal head of Citizens For Responsibility and Ethics in Washington … [as] ‘one of the most unethical members of Congress’ “ (see John Fund’s “Meet the new boss - John Murtha and Congress’s ‘culture of corruption’ “, The Wall Street Journal, November 15, 2006

“For more than 25 years, he's also been remembered as the ‘unindicted co-conspirator’ in one of the most famous and blatant cases of congressional corruption ever exposed” (see Charles Hurt, “House race pits Murtha vs ethics”, Washington Times, November 16, 2006)

A long-time aide of Murtha’s had founded a charity, Pennsylvania Association for Individuals With Disabilities (PAID). “Several lobbyists and contractors who have received millions in government largesse from Murtha sit on its board of directors. In turn, … those same officials ‘have kept Murtha's campaigns flush with cash.’ [It’s] the sort of scandals involving figures like disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff and former House GOP leader Tom DeLay that drove the latter from Congress and sent the former to prison.” (See New York Post editiorial, “Murtha’s ‘charity’ mess”, December 31, 2006)

And then there’s the time he slimed the Marines: He said “troops with Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment had mowed down innocent civilians in a previously unknown town in north western Iraq called Haditha. … He accused the Corps of a massive cover-up and made the case that the Marines ran amok in a war with no direction. More shockingly, and without any corroborating evidence, he called the Marines involved in the bloody ambush and ensuing firefight cold-blooded killers.” (See Christian Lowe, “Murtha’s mistake - Slandering the Marine Corps”, The Weekly Standard, November 25, 2007.

This is just a very brief review of Murtha. I won’t hold my breath for any loony liberal obituaries to mention these truths about him. And neither should you.

Posted by: jmayfield68 | February 9, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse


I know there are many people who despise Murtha and hate all political reporters, but why is all that hostility voiced here?
We have noted his death w/ respect (?), and his seat will be voted on fairly soon (May).

Immediate, unreflected anger 24/7 is ruining this political system.

Posted by: jmsmusic | February 9, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

@jmr1601

Al Gore volunteered and served in Vietnam.

Posted by: bjwl43 | February 9, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Sympathies to the Murtha family.

The article notes that his district is now "competitive".Frankly democracy and the wishes of the people would be best served if each of the House seats were competitive.It seems in many cases once elected, House members get life tenure due to the gerrymandering done to create electorially predictable districts.This life tenure leads to all sorts of abuses including large amounts raised for members' campaigns which is frequently unspent and a little nest egg for them when they finally leave.The more senior these folks get the more wasteful pork they seem to produce at the expense of taxpayers & more national debt. The Founding Fathers saw the House as the voice of the people and a place where change in membership would be assured.It has become neither.The reps do not rep the people but the special interests which fund their campaigns.It is time to impose term limits on members of both houses: a maximum total of 12 years and you're out. The turnover will reduce both the role of lobbyists, campaign contributors & pork. It will bring fresh blood & new ideas.There should be an absolute 5 year ban for members of Congress to serve as lobbyists,including DC based lawyers who actually perform that service.This ban should extend to senior Congressional & committee staff as well.Reforming Congress would be the first step to reforming a political system which has become awash with dirty money and unresponsive to the people they were elected to represent.It might also help if every vote on salery, benefits & the like which Congress enacts for the benefit of its members be a recorded and not a voice vote.Congress,it seems, is the only institution in America which decides its own benefits in an unchecked way and its members prefer voice votes on these increases so that its members can falsely deny they voted for them.If the voice of every member who has denied voting for them was removed,there would be absolute silence when the ayes are taken.Each member should also be required to publish 60 days prior to the initiation of his/her re-election campaign a detailed list of all foreign trips taken during that term at the taxpayers' expense along with the purpose & cost,a detailed list of all ear marks they have offered to bills, a list of all speakers fees & who paid them and a list of all contributors. This should be published in the major local newspaper and available on the internet.The public has the right to total transparency from its elected officials.There should also be a total ban on naming anything for a serving member of Congress.

Posted by: arnnyc | February 9, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

It saddens me to read some of the comments written here as they serve no real purpose and hold no merit. I am no supporter of Jack Murtha and as a combat veteran, I was outraged at his comments towards his brother marines. I am also saddened by the fact that a well deserved apology for those comments will now never be forthcoming.
The final irony here is that Jack Murtha's death is the direct result of government run health care. All of that being said, a husband, father and another human being has passed and such a passing reduces us all if we cannot remain civil.

Posted by: thor41 | February 9, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

George Bush served in the National Guard.

Posted by: pinnacle1 | February 9, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

jmr1601, I don't know where you get your information . . . but BOTH George Bush and Al Gore served our country in the military during the Viet Nam War.

Clinton and Cheney had deferments, and Clinton eventually drew a high number in the draft when the system changed.

People criticized Murtha for, among other things, his outspoken and outrageous statements declaring several Marines guilty of cold-blooded murder in a fire-fight incident at Haditha, Iraq, even before the completion of the investigation. Across the board, those involved in the incident were eventually exonerated or had all the serious charges dropped against them.

Your advice, which you offered to others here --

"Remember the nasty things you say will come back at you. Just a thought."

-- might have been wisely heeded by John Murtha.

Posted by: Trochilus | February 9, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

As an American I believe the constitution requires this seat to be filled... The political back stabbing by the Democrats is childish at best.

The real question is why did he have to die from Naval malpractice.????.

Posted by: robinhood2 | February 9, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Rat Bumpers?

Rat Babies?

Rat Blinders?

Got it!

Rat Basters!

Posted by: JakeD3 | February 9, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

This not working.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | February 9, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Let me see if I have this correct, Crider says the Republicans should hush up but it would be OK for the Democrats to start campaigning?

Posted by: reader63 | February 9, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"Rear guard (no pun intended though it seems apropos) duty as a gun-toting? reporter."

Everyone who served in Vietnam was in danger from ambush or other offensive action. Why else would so many refuse to serve there?

Posted by: GaryEMasters | February 9, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Murtha served his country when it was not popular and continued to serve in the Congress when he returned from Vietnam. He took time to study issues and make decisions. We respect his work and service. Because of people like him we have room to disagree on many issues and still serve our nation. May God bless him and his family.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | February 9, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

BlanketyBlank
"Very strange that a powerful elderly Congressman was having surgery at this hospital. Why not Walter Reed/Bethedsa Medical, "

I heard that he did have surgery at Walter Reed but was transferred to the Virginia Hospital when complications developed.

Posted by: ahashburn | February 9, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I hope that the Doctors that killed Mr. Murtha lose their licenses along with paying his family restituton. I had that operation and it is very simple for a good doctor. I am glad the truth came out because I was worried.

Posted by: miurbina | February 9, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

jmr1601 wrote:
"Please let your words be soft and tender because tomorrow you may have to eat them.

Remember the nasty things you say will come back at you. Just a thought. "

All the Bush bashers are finding out too. What goes around, comes around.

Posted by: ahashburn | February 9, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Republican posters showing their intelligence again, MINORITY PARTY IGNORANCE.

Posted by: shipfreakbo214 | February 9, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

What ever John Murtha's faults may have been I will always think of him with respect. When the U.S. was embroiled in the Iraq war and Republicans followed the leadership of Bush without question and Democrats also just went along, John Murtha finally had the courage to stand up and question our policies. This took a lot of courage because, at that time, the Bush administration questioned the patriotism of anyone who questioned the president's policies.
I hope Pennsylvania will find another politician with courage to fill this seat.

Posted by: OhMy | February 9, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry for his family.

It would be nice if those really old (70+) in congress would retire. They are so out of touch as to be dangerous.

Posted by: Neal3 | February 9, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

American Patriots are going to take America back from you RAT B _ _ _ _ _ _ _ that mean to do her harm.America has NEVER been a Socialist country and NEVER will be!

Posted by: Imarkex | February 9, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Now is the time for American Patriots in the Patriot State of *Pennsylvania to join the Patriot States of *Virginia *Massachusetts *Connecticut and *New Jersey to step forward and help seize America from those Traitors that are leading America down the path of Socialism.

Posted by: Imarkex | February 9, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Anyone that thinks the soldiers from Haditha are innocent is a very interesting person. They weren't proven guilty. That is certain.

Posted by: steveboyington | February 9, 2010 6:35 AM | Report abuse

I hear there won't be a runoff election. Sen. Shelby has placed a hold on it, and refuses to let it happen until all of Murtha's earmark spending is transferred to Alabama. That, and he wants two Big Macs, WITH FRIES.

Posted by: steveboyington | February 9, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

My condolences to his family.

He was 77? Do you have any 77 year olds working at your job? I don't. Why do we tolerate these old people in government?

There is something wrong with a society that allows this. It's time for new leadership in Congress, I just wish it didn't take someone dying to get it.

Robert Byrd should have resigned years ago.

Posted by: Neal3 | February 9, 2010 3:46 AM | Report abuse

Very strange that a powerful elderly Congressman was having surgery at this hospital. Why not Walter Reed/Bethedsa Medical, Johns Hopkins, or one of the excellent Pittsburgh or Philadelphia hospitals. I wouldn't have toenail surgery at the hospital in quesion. More to this story no doubt.

Posted by: BlanketyBlank | February 9, 2010 2:34 AM | Report abuse

Rest In Pork

Posted by: jazbond007 | February 9, 2010 1:36 AM | Report abuse

And the leaf story in today's news:

SARAH PALIN IS TOO STOOPIT TO USE A TELEPROMPTER.

All the TVS at my gym were showing closeups of her hand with writing scrawled on it, like a cheating fifth grader.

Your heroine. An idiot.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 9, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Rest In Pork

Posted by: jazbond007 | February 9, 2010 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Those of you who want to think that US servicemen are angelic and pure must live in cartoonland or something. It's never been true (google Calley, William and My Lai), and it sure as hell isn't true now, when the military is accepting bottom of the barrel dregs to populate the Bush wars. Hint: put guns in the hands if illiterate trailer trash and bad sh|t is going to happen.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 9, 2010 1:31 AM | Report abuse

The cheers are a bit over the top and in poor taste, I'll grant you.

But many are now invoking this Latin phrase: "De mortiis aut bene aut nihil." Roughly, "Speak well of the dead or not at all." In this case, the need for truth and the importance of the lesson overpower that ancient code of honor. And if you're defending his right to a free pass simply because you're a liberal or a Democrat, you've lost your credibility.

Murtha was a symptom -- maybe more than that, maybe a proximate cause -- of the ruinous competition between districts for other people's money. He was an unrepentant, self-aggrandizing spendthrift. He saw local projects as ends in themselves. The airport that bears his name is a costly, disgraceful reminder of pork-barrel spending run amok. And his calumny against the Marines after the Haditha incident revealed him to be an irresponsible blowhard.

He was not your sweet grandpa, though he may have been someone's, and they are entitled to their pleasant memories of him. To most of the rest of us, he was a corrupt public figure who used his position of power to do massive budgetary damage and increase general cynicism about government.

Posted by: Imperfections | February 9, 2010 1:30 AM | Report abuse

The cheers are a bit over the top and in poor taste, I'll grant you.

But many are now invoking this Latin phrase: "De mortiis aut bene aut nihil." Roughly, "Speak well of the dead or not at all." In this case, the need for truth and the importance of the lesson overpower that ancient code of honor. And if you're defending his right to a free pass simply because you're a liberal or a Democrat, you've lost your credibility.

Murtha was a symptom -- maybe more than that, maybe a proximate cause -- of the ruinous competition between districts for other people's money. He was an unrepentant, self-aggrandizing spendthrift. He saw local projects as ends in themselves. The airport that bears his name is a costly, disgraceful reminder of pork-barrel spending run amok. And his calumny against the Marines after the Haditha incident revealed him to be an irresponsible blowhard.

He was not your sweet grandpa, though he may have been someone's, and they are entitled to their pleasant memories of him. To most of the rest of us, he was a corrupt public figure who used his position of power to do massive budgetary damage and increase general cynicism about government.

Posted by: Imperfections | February 9, 2010 1:29 AM | Report abuse

You sickos crowing in glee that an old man died, I hope you wake up blind some morning. Jesus what a twisted bunch if people. This is supposed to be an ideology? This is POLITICS?!? F*ck if. You guys are mentally f*cking ill the whole rotted lot of you.

And Cillizza, you BLOW CHUNKS for seeing an old
man's death as nothing more than another f*cking Republican opportunity you rotten mediocrity of a shill. Go pop Pawlenty's pubic pimples with your incisors.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 9, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Obama Help Us.

Posted by: member8 | February 9, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse


This thread is extremely sad tonight.


Many of the posters here need examinations.

By a TEAM of doctors.

One is not enough.


Not even close.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 9, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Wow, was Palin really reading notes off her hand for the Chris Wallace interview? For all her talk about teleprompters, Obama can at least do an interview from memory.

Man, Palin is such a pathetic joke. I really hope she runs. She is just going to crash and burn in that primary.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 8, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Murtha's charge referred to events in Haditha, Iraq in November 2005. That sentence provides all you need to use a search engine to educate yourself about the subject to which he was speaking.

Posted by: douglaslbarber

And WIKI says

"As of June, 2008, charges against seven of the eight Marines had been dropped."

The remaining Marine being charged was not for shooting but for failing to investigate the alleged shootings.

So it appears Murtha has not been vindicated via the web search you recommend and that would mean that the many criticisms posted here concerning his damnable allegations about fellow Marines are not without merit.

In other words his motivations are highly suspect.

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

gfsomsel wrote "With Murtha's absence from the House the number of earmarks is ensured to be less than half their previous number."

This is the same theory which holds that if you kill a bunch of mice in your kitchen but don't clean the crumbs you've been leaving on the floor, no new mice will move in. It's also the theory behind term limits.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | February 8, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we don't need term limits for the libs. We have mother nature.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 8, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Look at it this way, the House of Representatives is a lot less corrupt today than it was yesterday.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 8, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

lol@pretending to care about military families.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 8, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

I wish you fair winds and following seas, sir. You deserve thanks from all Americans for your service to our country.

To those who break the taboo of speaking ill of the dead, remember your own dead family and friends, and how you would like others to speak of them. Set an example for readers of this blog.


Posted by: 12BarBlues | February 8, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

...They may well win it back in 2012 if Barack Obama is on the ticket.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | February 8, 2010 10:07 PM


Obama will see the writing on the wall in 2012. He won't be on the ticket. Call him Lyndon Johnson the second. Hillary is already scheming.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 8, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Is this who Obama was referring to when he said Marine Corpse twice at the National Prayer Breakfast?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 8, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

PA's 12'th Congressional District doesn't tidily align with county boundaries, but Cambria county is at its heart.

The 2000 census shows that 52.4 per cent of its voting age population is female. That sort of tilt is a pretty good indication that the place is loaded with public housing, and folks who live in public housing, when they vote, don't often vote Republican.

Will they turn out in a special congressional election? Not likely, in my book. Given the prevailing political winds, I think the Dems lose this at least for now. They may well win it back in 2012 if Barack Obama is on the ticket.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | February 8, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

During 36 years in the US House of Reps he was a consistent supporter of the military and military spending, breaking ranks only to challenge George W. Bush's war in Iraq.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | February 8, 2010 9:22 PM


Tell that to the families of the Marines he called murderers.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 8, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

With Murtha's absence from the House the number of earmarks is ensured to be less than half their previous number.

Posted by: gfsomsel | February 8, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Lost in all this is that the soldiers were actually tried for these crimes. Does that make the entire Bush administration traitors?

Posted by: DDAWD | February 8, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Proper respect should be shown to a man who revered our soldiers, who didn't play politics with the military, and who always was on the side of right. - Of course, anyone who knows Murtha knows he was really out for himself these last two decades, no matter what he was like in 1974.

May his stay in hell be long and as painful as that which he wished on the false-accused soldiers and their families at Haditha. My brothers (Special Forces with many ribbons) tagged him as one of those Vietnam 'chug-f***ers' who played up their military experience while doing what they can to undermine it. So Kerry-esque.

Posted by: Keltin1 | February 8, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Some seem to think it their patriotic duty never to even entertain the thought that American servicemen and women might commit war crimes.

Why they think this I don't know.

It's true that Rep. Murtha did not think this.

But then, he was old enough to remember Lieutenant Calley.

Murtha's charge referred to events in Haditha, Iraq in November 2005. That sentence provides all you need to use a search engine to educate yourself about the subject to which he was speaking.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | February 8, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I am sorry for his family and his district and appreciate his military service but who from elsewhere in the country will morn him? .

Posted by: jerry6421 | February 8, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Some traitor. In 1952 he left college to serve in Korea. After he served there he finished his degree at Pitt in 1962, then served as an officer in Viet Nam, winning a Bronze Star, two Purple Hearts and the Vietnam Cross of Gallantry. (Info quoted almost directly from NY Times obit). Medals like those don't just grow on trees.

During 36 years in the US House of Reps he was a consistent supporter of the military and military spending, breaking ranks only to challenge George W. Bush's war in Iraq.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | February 8, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

"they killed innocent civilians in cold blood."

Murtha referring to Marines, May 17, 2006


I suggest prayers for him. He'll really need them.


Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 8, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

flush that big turd down the toilet and hope he dont leave a skid mark on the bowl. He called our soldiers terrorists, i call him a treasonous @#$%^%$^

Posted by: acemasonryco | February 8, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

...horse-trading pork-barrel policitician...

Posted by: douglaslbarber | February 8, 2010 8:54 PM


With all due respect, I guess we found out what too much pork will do to you.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | February 8, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Ped has taken to carpet posting the same screed over and over.

Another mindless stooge busy busy at her work.

Posted by: Moonbat | February 8, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

He was an original from the industrial belt that surrounds Pittsburgh and Allegheny County. A highly decorated war veteran, horse-trading pork-barrel policitician, plain-spoken enough to truthfully remark that many of his constituents might have trouble voting for Barack Obama because they're racists. And the scent of corruption didn't cling to him like cologne but was always in the background like the odor of tobacco smoke in a Johnstown bar three hours after closing, corruption and horse-trading being 2'nd cousins.

He was willing to take a principled stand when he felt the issue was large enough to be worth risking his electability.

Democrats will have a hard time holding on to his seat. They don't make 'em like Murtha any more.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | February 8, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

There’s not much in this life that’s more low-class and sick than dancing on the grave of an old man.
 
Funny (not in the “ha ha” sense) how the ones who express glee that a Democrat has died are the same people with a mouth full of scolds about abortion and a mouth full of smarmy lectures about how Democrats are a “culture of death” while they themselves represent a “culture of life.”  Yeah, “life” as a synonym for “choke the planet with babies,” but no reverence for any other life, certainly not the natural kingdom, much less adult humans who happen not to be idiot conservatives.  John Murtha is dead at 77 and the very first post about it is that retarded sicko JakeD going “woo hoo.”  You really need to wonder what in life could reduce a human being to such a sack of stinking garbage.  I mean you, Jake.  Jesus, chugga canna Drano, would you?

Posted by: Noacoler | February 8, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

What is the context of this paragraph - "This is not the time for political opportunism," said Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee communications director Jennifer Crider. "Out of respect for Congressman Murtha's family and his decades of service to our country, Republicans should put their partisanship aside and allow Mr. Murtha's family, friends, and constituents time to celebrate his life and mourn his passing." - other than for Mr. Cillizza to create the notion that, like Coakley of Massachusetts, the GOP contenders are stepping over the casket to announce their candidacy. What a cheap shot, Mr C. Oh, but we know the "fix" is on! What a goof you are.

Posted by: salinas57 | February 8, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

So long, John.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | February 8, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

There’s not much in this life that’s more low-class and sick than dancing on the grave of an old man.
 
Funny (not in the “ha ha” sense) how the ones who express glee that a Democrat has died are the same people with a mouth full of scolds about abortion and a mouth full of smarmy lectures about how Democrats are a “culture of death” while they themselves represent a “culture of life.”  Yeah, “life” as a synonym for “choke the planet with babies,” but no reverence for any other life, certainly not the natural kingdom, much less adult humans who happen not to be idiot conservatives.  John Murtha is dead at 77 and the very first post about it is that retarded sicko JakeD going “woo hoo.”  You really need to wonder what in life could reduce a human being to such a sack of stinking garbage.  I mean you, Jake.  Jesus, chugga canna Drano, would you?

Posted by: Noacoler | February 8, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

There’s not much in this life that’s more low-class and sick than dancing on the grave of an old man.
 
Funny (not in the “ha ha” sense) how the ones who express glee that a Democrat has died are the same people with a mouth full of scolds about abortion and a mouth full of smarmy lectures about how Democrats are a “culture of death” while they themselves represent a “culture of life.”  Yeah, “life” as a synonym for “choke the planet with babies,” but no reverence for any other life, certainly not the natural kingdom, much less adult humans who happen not to be idiot conservatives.  John Murtha is dead at 77 and the very first post about it is that retarded sicko JakeD going “woo hoo.”  You really need to wonder what in life could reduce a human being to such a sack of stinking garbage.  I mean you, Jake.  Jesus, chugga canna Drano, would you?

Posted by: Noacoler | February 8, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

'17 Do not gloat when your enemy falls;
when he stumbles, do not let your heart rejoice,'

and yet, that's exactly what you do.

Posted by: drindl | February 8, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Murtha was a lot of things, both good and bad, but he took care of his district and now those small towns will lose the business he brought to them. A lot of those towns (Johnstown, Altoona, etc.) will dry up and blow away.

Posted by: ArlingtonVA1 | February 8, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Murtha was a lot of things, both good and bad, but he took care of his district and now those small towns will lose the business he brought to them. A lot of those towns (Johnstown, Altoona, etc.) will dry up and blow away.

Posted by: ArlingtonVA1 | February 8, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd. There's an opening as one of the three original stooges.

If dribbl ever really gets a life, you could move up fast. Liberal stooge ideas are not really that much in demand anymore. You know, with all the failures and all.

Posted by: Moonbat | February 8, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I think the chickenhawk argument is stupid. It doesn't matter whether Bush avoided military service or spent a year in Vietnam. The Iraq war was still a bad idea.

And if people decide to get military deferments in order to further their education. I am 100% ok with that. There are plenty of ways to serve your country besides going to war. We as a people realize this and that is why we even have military deferments in the first place. I'm ok with that. Yes, I find the sacrifice made by soldiers to be impressive and honorable, but there's a lot of other stuff I find impressive and honorable too.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 8, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

DDawD,I could not have said it better.

Posted by: dickiesnhogheaven | February 8, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Proverbs 24:

17 Do not gloat when your enemy falls;
when he stumbles, do not let your heart rejoice,

18 or the LORD will see and disapprove
and turn his wrath away from him.

19 Do not fret because of evil men
or be envious of the wicked,

20 for the evil man has no future hope,
and the lamp of the wicked will be snuffed out.

Murtha was an evil man.

Posted by: freepost | February 8, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

yeah, koolcat. i think this is the worst it's gotten. definitely in ghoul territory now.

Posted by: drindl | February 8, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey Democrats,

May Mr. Murtha rest in peace. Senator Murtha, Here rests a person that dedicates his life to 65+ years to public service. Now, is gone the long term Senator. Bless Him.

---

Mr. Ryan (R) has put forward a serious proposal for shrinking medical-cost inflation and hence shrinking the long-term federal budget deficit. It does so by ending America’s provision of first-rate health care to all seniors … A different approach to solving America’s health-care cost problem might involve letting Medicare use its vast bargaining power to negotiate lower rates with the providers of pharmaceuticals; establishing a commission of experts (MedPAC) to rate the effectiveness of medical procedures, to avoid wasteful incentives in the current

http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/08/liberals-and-the-ryan-roadmap/

Posted by: kstobbe1 | February 8, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow. This board has sunk to new lows. I'm officially out of here. Armpit, puke, joke, and the rest of you scumbags, it's all yours.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | February 8, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

jmr1601,

While it is usually the practice to show at least a mimimal degree of respect for the dead, as a society, we make some exceptions. We do not mourn or show respect for a criminal killed by the police in the commission of a crime or fleeing therefrom. We do not mourn murders who are killed at the hand of the their victims who only seek to defend themselves. Does Jack Murtha deserve more resect than a robber or murderer. I think probably so...but I dont hold malice for those who disagree with me on this point. There is no doubt that his passing has saved him from a long jail sentence for his corrupt and illegal endeavors...some of which can fairly be equated with robbery of the american tax payer. I also have no truck with the parents of fallen solders who believe that Murhta's comments encouraged AQ in Iraq to fight on when giving up would have been easier. If these parents hold Murhta partly responsible for their loss...I would not dispute their right to feel that way. I would rather see us show respect for the dead...but respect is of no value unless it has been properly earned.

Posted by: PSOG | February 8, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Co-op program, db.

Congratulations on your your younger daughter. I did not mean to denigrate your other in any way. You brought her up and I meant to say that to imply something negative about her to strangers is unkind to her.

Let's just drop talking about the girls, I am sure you are a good parent, and proud. It's not a good idea anyway, because there's some weird guys who are regulars on this board.

Posted by: drindl | February 8, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I had a wonderful offer when graduating college. Dominoes offered great career opportunities. Note to all--your tips are not better when delivering to the wealthier neighborhoods.

www.sarahpac.com

Posted by: JakeD3 | February 8, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I remember when Nixon and Reagan died - the dummycrats didn't have a good word to say about them.

But when Kennedy and Murtha die we're all supposed to stand around and mumble about how sorry we are.

Here's the facts - as a result of kennedy and murtha's actions PEOPLE DIED. Both of them were corrupt and both of them were immoral.

Keep quiet for the sake of the family but don't ever forget what they were really like.

Posted by: gfr1231 | February 8, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

drindl

Now as a person who is semi-retired I need to leave this forum and fix my lovely wife dinner.

You see since I am semi-retired I had the luxury of shelling out a boatload of money to attend a cooking school. Not that I couldn't cook before but I fancied myself an iron-chef wanna-be.

2 years later I have my certificate. As an unabashed capitalist pig I get to blow big money on food and REALLY good scotch. In fact I am enjoying a really good scotch right now, as my typing will reveal. You would like it since it came from a country with national health care.

My favorite dishes are either French or Japanese, and I excel at both. So off to the kitchen and another enjoyable evening with good food and company.

Cheers

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I have to give my full CONGRADUATION's,To not only the clowns who kept this thief in office,But but to America,May he burn in HELL for all he did to America,And the Military.And now the mob union as a task ahead of them to buy another dirty polition.

Posted by: dickiesnhogheaven | February 8, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

drindl

As a person with more than 25 years experience in the Engineering world I find it odd that your daughter, who is still in school, is getting offers for work from engineering firms. (At least that is what you imply)

She cannot work as an engineer until after getting an engineering degree, completing a minimum of 2 years working under a licensed P.E. and then passing her exam. While I hope that she will need only the minimum of 2 years after graduation to accomplish this task, I should tell you that normally it takes more time.

Oh and BTW my youngest daughter, the one to which I was referring, was a full scholarship to USC. Of course it was in music, not something lofty like engineering, but talent never the less.

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

newageblues

Al Gore got a military gig as a military reporter - hardly combat operations.

Come on, let's be serious folks.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | February 8, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

To all Democrats, please follow Murtha's lead.

Posted by: DCer1 | February 8, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

To all Democrats, please follow Murtha's lead.

Posted by: DCer1 | February 8, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

jmr1601: where did you get the idea that Al Gore didn't serve in the military?

Posted by: newageblues | February 8, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

don't feel sorry for me, db -- i have a daughter about your own's age, who is in engineering school, on the Dean's List. I don't worry much about her getting a job, as she has already has offers.

Posted by: drindl | February 8, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Poor Kid?

I am honest enough to call it the way it is and that does not interfere with my love and affection for my daughter.

You should hope to find someone who will feel the same way about you and not suffer from your pedantic point of view.

My dear it is you, not I, that is sad.

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Murtha's name became synonymous with graft, nepotism, fraud and sundry acts of political chicanery. Combined with his labelling of actively serving marines as nothing more than "murderers", he's probably a lot warmer than his surviving fellow Pennsylvanians right now.

Posted by: OttoDog | February 8, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

WOO HOO!!! Posted by: JakeD2 | February 8, 2010 3:24 PM

As always, Jaked2 is a class act. Nice display of his humanity and his bipartisan spirit. He said some weasel-like things later to sort of take it back, but then he always says weasel-like things later. The first response always displays his ugliness.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | February 8, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

you forgot the part about bush going AWOL in time of war.

Posted by: drindl | February 8, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

"OK if we are going to drag out rehash the old "chickenhawk list" let us at least bring it up to date, to the current government of 2010?"

At least learn what a chickenhawk is first before starting to post arbitrary lists.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 8, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

John Murtha served his country and should be applauded for that. This is no time for politics....

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | February 8, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

A-COL is correct that G.W. Bush flying Convair F-102s was in great danger, and that Al Gore spent just 4 months in Vietnam, when the rest of us served 12 month tours of duty.
There's more to Al Gore's 4 month tour though. The Gore family was rich and politically connected in TN., so Al Gore became the gofer and yes-man for powerful Senator Fulbright (D-TN.), in the hope that he would avoid the draft. When Al Gore's number did come up though anyway, Fulbright pulled strings with the Army and had him sent to Photographers School, even though Al Gore had had zero experience in that field. When the Army sent him to Vietnam, he was provided with a body guard who became his constant around-the-clock companion, and he was never sent to where the fighting was so the dear wouldn't get hurt. After 4 months Al Gore came stateside(I served my tour in that he**hole and we grunts joked about it, so I know the story well). The irony in all this was that the Democrap Socialists and the Democrap Socialist--controlled Main Stream Media beat up on G.W. Bush and crucified him at every turn--even though he did his duty in a highly dangerous job--while the Al Gore, Fulbright political connection, string--pulling to get Al out of all danger, and Al Gore's phony Vietnam 4 month vacation story was never mentioned.

Posted by: armpeg | February 8, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

poor kid -- to have a father like you who dislikes his own daughter so much. poor kid.

Posted by: drindl | February 8, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Modification. Only Jewish ex-Marines who live in Taxes and disabled ex-Special Forces members will be permitted to comment here. And Cthulhu.

Posted by: JakeD3 | February 8, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

dbsp3404:

Keep in mind that "JakeD3" is not me, but simply my doppelgänger.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 8, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

To Drivl- BEAUTIFUL

To JakeD3 - Awesome but as a disabled Army Special Forces member I would like a shot every now and then.

To Drindl

You remind me of my beautiful yet clueless 20 year-old daughter. She too cannot say much more than the latest round of left-wing talking points. How Sad you both are and like you she too is having trouble finding full and meaningful employment.

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

OK if we are going to drag out rehash the old "chickenhawk list" let us at least bring it up to date, to the current government of 2010? And to show we are not cherry picking here is presidential line of succession from top to bottom (of course Secretary of Defense Gates is a military man). Neither Obama nor anyone in line for his presidency has ever spent a day in military uniform.

Barack Obama
Joe Biden
Nancy Pelosi
Robert Byrd
Hillary Clinton
Tim Geithner
Eric Holder
Ken Salazar
Tom Vilsack

Posted by: screwjob11 | February 8, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

pResident Obama's Statement:

"Michelle and I were deeply saddened today to hear about the passing of Congressman John Murtha. Jack was a devoted husband, a loving father and a steadfast advocate for the people of Pennsylvania for nearly 40 years. His passion for service was born during his decorated career in the United States Marine Corpse [SIC], and he went on to earn the distinction of being the first Vietnam War combat veteran elected to Congress. Jack’s tough-as-nails reputation carried over to Congress, where he became a respected voice on issues of national security. Our thoughts and prayers are with his wife of nearly 55 years, Joyce, their three children, and the entire Murtha family."

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 8, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

you might as well wish for shrimp to sing or for squid to climb stairs.

dribbl will respond when the hate blogs provide content.

it is an empty vessel.

Posted by: drivl | February 8, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

drindl

You quoted the question in one of your posts. Here for your review;

"PS. Why is it that left-wingers such as yourself ALWAYS complain when confronetd with dissenting opinions in an open forum?"

So the question remains, i.e why you have not answered the question. Your milk-toast approach to anything honest or intellectual disarms me however I am a novice at this forum so I will rely on your experience for an open and honest answer to my genuinely sincere question.

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

OK. So it's agreed. Only Jewish ex-Marines who live in Taxus and have accused others of mass murder will be permitted to comment here.

Posted by: JakeD3 | February 8, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: drindl | February 8, 2010 10:22 AM

i and most of the rest of the people with lives have better things to do.

Posted by: drindl | February 8, 2010 5:50 PM


Like what?

you are here all day every day with almost nothing to contribute except for cut and pastes from left wing ranting and hate sites.
Yet your favorite schtick is to accuse others of that.

you are, like our dear leader, a joke.
Do us all a favor and depart. you will not be missed in the least.

you could report back once a day with links to Kos and the result would be the same. mindless dribbl.

Posted by: drivl | February 8, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

dribbl will respond when she gets the email from ninny pelooni or the blog over at Firedoglake just happens to post on the topic.

Until then, her brain is like the test patterns you used to see on your TV at 2 in the morning. Waiting for the signal.

there is a vacuum involved and it can only be filled with loopy leftist chanting.


MMMMMMMM MMMMmmmmm mmmmmmmmm

Posted by: drivl | February 8, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

"Ddawd,

Thanks for your comment. By the way, check out Godwin's Law-- you'll enjoy it.

Posted by: dcgrasso1"

Yeah, I'm always amused by that (although I don't think the Hitler invocation qualifies in this case since it's not about comparing someone or something to Hitler)

But it's just idiotic, lazy thinking.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 8, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

you didn't ask a question dbbl-- you're just the usual bully.

this site is pointless now... i and most of the rest of the people with lives have better things to do.

Posted by: drindl | February 8, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

drindl

Love your rant yet you avoided actually answering the question about 'dissenting opinions'.

Are you capable of doing so or would you best be left to your recourse of childish accusations about 'brain dead drool'.

Your engagement in lachrymal rantings serves only to reinforce the right-wing opinion about how low down the intellectual ladder the left is.

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD:

The issue is that WaPo's CURRENT retrospective ignores their own paper's reporting from back in 2006, not that they didn't cover the story back in 2006. Idiot!

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 8, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

What they want is s*domy.

Posted by: dribbl


Ped, I beleive this is your area of expertise. Help a fellow stooge.

Posted by: drivl | February 8, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Did someone just accuse the WaPo of ignoring the Murtha libel suit and then provide two links on the libel suit FROM THE WAPO???

Good grief.

The libel suit was thrown out.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 8, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!!

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 8, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

One thing you must understand about dribbl. she is incapable of independent thought. Her mind races from Kos to huff to Firedoglake and then reports back.

this "duty" gives her life meaning. Otherwise sweeping up peanuts is the be all and end all of her pitiful existence.

Poor old bat has been unemployed for over three years now, mainly due to her radical views but also a result of an inability to think "inside the box"/\. No one will hire a loon and pay them to be a loon.

Posted by: drivl | February 8, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

RIP -- THE FIX.

Posted by: drindl | February 8, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

You are correct that Bill Clinton and Dick Cheney (you forgot in include Joe Biden) did everything short of maiming themselves - which neither had the guts to do – to avoid Military, but Bush served in the Air National Guard(For the record, Bush flying antique Air National Guard Convair F-102s was probably in more danger than I was during an extended CIB-earning tour in Vietnam!)and Gore actually spent 4 months (of a normal 12 month tour for the rest of us) in Vietnam as an Army reporter.

Posted by: A-COL | February 8, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

direct line to dribl's brain.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/alaska_legislature_funding_astroturf_effort_to_fight_polar_bears.php?ref=fpb

Hey old goat, why not just post the link and take the rest of the week off.

Like you do anything anyways.

Posted by: drivl | February 8, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Gawd Oh Mighty drindl

Do you NEVER tire of changing subjects in the middle of a conversation?

What does your rant about oil in Alaska have to do with the topic at hand?

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"PS. Why is it that left-wingers such as yourself ALWAYS complain when confronetd with dissenting opinions in an open forum?"

dissenting OPINIONS?

"I guess Obimbo can now properly call him a Marine Corpse.

Oh, if only we all spoke a different language. except barry. he seems to have enough trouble with English.

and don't try to get him to count past 50. all he knows beyond 41 is 57."

What we usually get here is brain dead drool. Is the above what you consider intelligent discourse?

Posted by: drindl | February 8, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

it's going to be the same 3 or 4 mindless rightwing trolls posting ad nauseum the same mindless garbage every 2 minutes 24/7.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

poor dribbl is nostalgic for the days when it used to be the mutual admiration society for leftists kooks, when she was the head stooge. back then you could have easily said:

""it's going to be the same 3 or 4 mindless leftwing trolls posting ad nauseum the same mindless garbage every 2 minutes 24/7.""

the "trolls" (aka stooges) are now Dribbl, Chrissy foxxy, Loud and dumb, and starring as Schempf: DDAWD.

Posted by: drivl | February 8, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

dbsp3404:

Don't bother trying to reason with that one, trust me.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 8, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Very interesting that the "Full Coverage" link on the WaPo home page claims to cover Jack Murtha new back to 2005 but leaves out the damaging and shameful Murtha accusing our U.S. Marines of murder. Self-censorship by the Washington Post? You decide.


Marine Names Murtha in Defamation Suit - washingtonpost.com
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101345.html

Murtha Denies Libeling Marine - washingtonpost.com
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/02/AR2006080200251.html

Posted by: screwjob11 | February 8, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I never "wished" for Rep. Murtha (D-PA) to die. I wanted him to apologize on his death bed for accusing our soldiers of MURDER. I also agreed with someone earlier when he was hospitalized who suggested an amendment to "once a Marine, always a Marine": there should be finally, a single ex-Marine. None of that is "wishing" that he died. I hope he made peace with his Maker at least.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 8, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Since there's so many vultures here, thought you might enjoy the plan to let the oil companies kill off the polar bears:

'Seeking to protect the oil industry, the Alaska state legislature has appropriated $1.5 million to fund an astroturf campaign to weaken the Endangered Species Act and put on a conference questioning the listing of polar bears as a threatened species.

Over the objections of some members who warned of "PR damage" to the state, a group of lawmakers late last week decided to move ahead with reviewing bids from public relations firms for the polar bear contract, the Anchorage Daily News reported.

Polar bears were listed as a threatened species in 2008 because of the loss of sea ice due to climate change. Worried that the move would damage prospects for new oil and gas development, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin immediately objected to decision by the Bush Administration.

That same year, Republican state Rep. John Harris proposed putting on a conference for climate change skeptics to fight the polar bear decision. "We want to have the money to hire scientists to answer the Interior (Department) scientists," he said at the time.

The primary purposes of the conference will be to challenge the listing of polar bears and to determine the best ways to lessen the impacts of the Endangered Species Act for the oil and gas industries.

The Council is now looking at bids from various PR firms.

Among those interested is Rudy Giuliani, who pitched Harris aide Eddie Grasser on awarding the contract to Bracewell Giuliani, the ADN reported in December.'

Posted by: drindl | February 8, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

jmr1601 bush and gore did serve. gore was actually in vietnam.

Posted by: battim | February 8, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd,

Thanks for your comment. By the way, check out Godwin's Law-- you'll enjoy it.

Posted by: dcgrasso1 | February 8, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"It's a pity, mteng. But unless CC gets a moderator, or moderating technology, it's going to be the same 3 or 4 mindless rightwing trolls posting ad nauseum the same mindless garbage every 2 minutes 24/7.

You see this in every political blog you go to. One wonders why they have so much time, and why this is how they choose to spend it.

Posted by: drindl"

Fine with me. If these guys want to spend their time posting on a political blog, that's like the least destructive use of their time. If zook wants to wave around his ginormous internet penis around, then whatever.

But yeah, this blog needs a moderator.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 8, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

drindl

I cannot speak for the rest but I am semi-retired. To someone like you that means that I have earned enough money to spend the resy of my life working part-time at a minor business activity.

Now when I say minor let me let you know that my 'Hobby' business has a payrool of a little more the 250k. None of that is for me. It's all for fun...

What have you done with your life?

PS. Why is it that left-wingers such as yourself ALWAYS complain when confronetd with dissenting opinions in an open forum? Would you prefer to eliminate voices you disagree with?

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Murtha was often a pompous jerk, but no worse than many in Congress. And he was tops (well, maybe not tops, Inouye was and probably remains tops) at getting the military-industrial pork we wanted back when I worked in the machine.

So condolences to his family and may he rest in peace.

But it's long past time to stop the over-the-top federal spending brought to town by Mr Change... or... perhaps more realistically:

Stew your children at a slow boil for six hours, uncover, add fava beans for 20 minutes and serve with Chinese rice and a good Chianti.

Posted by: rethman | February 8, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I salute the soldier that Murtha was.

Unlike the pro war cheney, bush, rove, etc, Muthra chose to serve in the US military.

Posted by: newagent99 | February 8, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"How thoroughly uninformed you are. About 12 million service men and their families DID scream WOO HOO when Hitler died."

lol. Man, I'm going through my memory trying to remember if I've ever read a stupider statement. This might just top it.

Yeah, I'm sure "woo hoo" is befitting of the gravity of WWII.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 8, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Good riddance to bad rubbish!

Posted by: bnichols6 | February 8, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I have family members who were Holocaust survivors, as well as friends who are the children of survivors, and my father was a WWII vet fighting in Germany. By the time Hitler finally died, the war was, thankfully, effectively over. I have never heard any survivors express joy at Hitler's death, though I'm sure there are many who did. The reaction was, as I said, one of relief.

I don't wish for anyone's death.

Posted by: dcgrasso1 | February 8, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

DQuixote1

It could not have been said better.

You should own this paper.

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

It's a pity, mteng. But unless CC gets a moderator, or moderating technology, it's going to be the same 3 or 4 mindless rightwing trolls posting ad nauseum the same mindless garbage every 2 minutes 24/7.

You see this in every political blog you go to. One wonders why they have so much time, and why this is how they choose to spend it.

Posted by: drindl | February 8, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

It may be wrong to speak ill of the dead, but an exception could be made in Murtha's case.

Posted by: DQuixote1 | February 8, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Another crooked Democrat passes and already the far left Media is hailing this guy a saint! WHO ARE YOU KIDDING? If you believe the Huffington Post, MSNBC et al, you'd think Mr. Murtha's last name was KENNEDY - time for the Republican's to take back another seat in the HOUSE - every seat taken back by the Conservatives is another bullet to aim at Nancy Whiny Pelosi's Speaker seat - can't wait till she and her surgically-"enhanced" face are finally off of the networks for good..

Posted by: timothyjay | February 8, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

dcgrasso1

How thoroughly uninformed you are. About 12 million service men and their families DID scream WOO HOO when Hitler died.

As a Jew I am surprised you don't think you would have, but then again that's just me.

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I belong to the Conservative movement. I didn't mention that because I didn't think Jake would care which movement it was.

Posted by: dcgrasso1 | February 8, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I hope you leave this world reduced to a leaking tottering wreck for all your death wishes for others. You deserve liver cancer.

Posted by: Noacoler

No. He deserves colo-rectal cancer. That's more befitting of the a-hole that he is.

Posted by: jasperanselm | February 8, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

dbsp3404,

I would have felt great relief at the deaths of great murderers. I certainly wouldn't have screamed "WOO HOO!" That's childish and disgusting.

I would also have hoped that such people change their ways.

Posted by: dcgrasso1 | February 8, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

dcgrasso1

No Christian here either. I find them every bit as small minded as ultra-Jewish folks.

Yet I did not miss how you referenced your 'movements' bible contest without saying the name of the movement.

Ashamed?

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I never said that "the Old Testament God" was vindictive and cruel. Learn to read better.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 8, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I was a finalist several times in my movement's National Bible Contest. Couldn't care less about Judas, I'm Jewish. Those who believe "the Old Testament God" was vindictive and cruel don't understand the Jewish Bible at all.

I have, however, read the "New" Testament. That's when I discovered for sure that I could never become a Christian.

Posted by: dcgrasso1 | February 8, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

dcgrasso1

Are you so above being a 'sick' person that you would not have cheered the deaths of Hitler, Stalin, etc?

Just curious to see how far your parsimoniuos, semi-religous rant will go.

I love dialog with Christians

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

mnteng:

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 8, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

dcgrasso1:

You must have missed reading the Old Testament. You think that Judas Iscariot was welcomed into heaven too?!

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 8, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

carleen09

Get a grip and try something a little smarter than your pathetic little rant.

Mutha and his ilk have provided us with plenty to legitimately (sp) complain about without resorting to the unusually small-minded approach of using the whole 'der fuehrer' approach.

That's what the left spent 8 years doing to Bush and what did that accomplish besides making them look like the big Jackasses MatthewE and dgAnderson13 look like.

Yes I know having an intellect is hard to do but it is what will distinguish you from the radical CA dwelling folks on the left.

Peace and Love

(I WAS there)

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

CC,

Wow, coming back from a brief hiatus, I'm shocked to see you've lost complete control over your comments section. It's a pity, really. We used to have substantive conversations among liberals, moderates, and even a few conservatives here, but now it's just ranting. As they say, "Thanks, but no thanks."

Good luck with your blog and thank you for having previously provided a place where I met some interesting and thoughtful people.

Posted by: mnteng | February 8, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Jake, it takes a sick, sick mind to cheer for somebody, ANYBODY'S death, regardless of your opinion on his/her politics. What amazes me is that you have the GALL to refer to yourself as a religious Christian. I would never want to worship a God as cruel as yours must be.

Posted by: dcgrasso1 | February 8, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Benjamin Franklin wrote about the traitor "Judas sold only one man, Arnold three millions", and Alexander Scammel described Benedict Arnold's actions as "black as hell". Rep. Murtha (D-PA) deserves everything that's coming to him.

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 8, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

And you thought Rs wanted bipartisanship? LOL.

'In an interview with CBS News’ Katie Couric that aired before the Super Bowl yesterday, President Obama announced “that he would convene a half-day bipartisan health care session at the White House to be televised live this month.” “I want to come back and have a large meeting, Republicans and Democrats, to go through systematically all the best ideas that are out there and move it forward,” said Obama.

The top Republicans in both the House and Senate responded by saying that while they “look forward” to the discussion and”appreciate the opportunity to share ideas with the President,” they believe that the “best way to start on real, bipartisan reform would be to scrap” the health care reform bills that have passed both the House and Senate. The office of another GOP leader, House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA), suggested that Republicans would not attend the White House meeting unless the Democrats abandoned their proposals.

The Plum Line’s Greg Sargent writes that Cantor is essentially saying “that the only way Dems can win bipartisan cooperation is to fully embrace the GOP health care plan and nothing more."

What they want is s*domy.

Posted by: drindl | February 8, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

MatthewE

How easy it is to bait such low-minded people. And you are living proof.

Strawman argument? None was given though it humors me to see you attempt tp change the topic. Normally a tactic used by folks with a vocabulary smaller than yours.

As for my furniture, the "rightwing teabagging couch" never occupied my home. After all I voted for Kinky Freedman. Did you?

As for characterizing people because of their geography the left invested YEARS in lampooning people from Texas because of their geography. So what's good for the goose...

Besides CA is broke because of all the STOOOPID crap they have engaged in over the years. We aren't. So tough it our Mr. Smart Guy.

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

So,as Der Leader Barack Hussein Obama is so
fond to say,the loss of this total disgrace
to the good name of our US Marine Corps,
and of the most corrupt Democrat after
Speaker Nancy Pelosi,once again proves God
answers our prayers and sent one of the
biggest disgraces in Congress John Murtha
on the road to Hell in the hereafter and
and that is the truth so WAPO stop trying
to spin this Culture of Corruption Democrat
into some kind of hero or great Marine as
John Murtha was and is always going to be
remember as crook and totally corrupt
Member of Congress. Who knows maybe God
will send SF Mad Madame Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Smiley Slimey Steny Hoyer and
Crooked old Harry Reid to Hell so Murtha
has company to rot in Hell with for all
eternity. Good Riddance!

Posted by: carleen09 | February 8, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

The usual typical scumbags react in the usual scumbag manner.

You see why most of us don't wanna be around jaked and zouk/drivl? They are no better than buzzards.

Posted by: drindl | February 8, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Wow dbsp3404 i can't believe how low you can go. You want George Bush to die just so I can express my feelings on a blogpost for the whole world to see? I would have taken something else from you.

Your strawman argument attacking my place of residence baffles me and proves that you are an idiotic ideologue who doesn't have the mental capacity to engage in thoughtful policy debates and instead attack others for where they came from.

So why dont you crawl under that rightwing teabagging couch where you belong, to engage in some self-effectuating acts because you are no better than the crazies who splurt BS and wave around signs with mispelled letters. You are a coward.

Kiss my CA ass because as we say in the golden state you are hella stupid.

Posted by: MatthewE | February 8, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I've changed my mind.

I'm moving to PA-12 to vote for Tim Burns.

Posted by: JakeD3 | February 8, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD

Get a grip

John Gotti was consistently exonerated until he was finally convicted.

Murtha escaped conviction because of his connections.

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Yo winemaster2

KUDOS, KUDOS, KUDOS

I cannot agree more however I would like to add a few changes.

1. 65 and over (After all that is the retirement age)

2. 20 years or more in Congess/Senate (Get out and get a life. Ask yourself why anyone would spend millions to get a job that only pays 167k a year)

3. MANDATORY term limits

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Chrid / Chris_Cillizza:

I am not "ashamed" (Murtha should have been ashamed of his treason). Americans CHEERED when Benedict Arnold died friendless and penniless in England!

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 8, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Murtha was good at walking the ethics line, I think. It seemed like he was under investigation a good amount, but was always exonerated. I'm not a big fan of his unabashed porkbarrelling, but I guess I did appreciate that it was unabashed. He was open about what everyone else was doing. Furthermore, some of these projects needed to be done. He just pushed to have them done in his own district. Things like military research.

And this was a guy who isn't afraid of speaking his mind, albeit, he can be inappropriate. I think he was out of line with the Haditha statements, not so much for what he said, but was essentially making a verdict in the middle of the investigation. It looks like he's going to be proven correct, though. The redneck comment during the 2008 election was also pretty noteworthy. Not to mention his criticism of Bush's prosecution of the Iraq War. It was thought to be pretty significant coming from a hawkish guy like Murtha. And who knows, maybe Murtha bent the arc of the war just a bit.

I can't say I really liked the guy. I think he liked to tread too close to ethical lines. I'll just say I liked some things and disliked others.

Of course, I feel that way about virtually everyone.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 8, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

hey dganderson13

Answer the question. You accuse others of being cowardly for not serving. Did you?

BTW - Community Organizing does not count

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

As a crooked corrupt to the hilt politican it is the best ridance. Since over 70% of the US population has no confidence in the self interest, self righteous US Congress and these SObs keep on prepetuating this menace, it is high time they all start dropping dead. At age 77 with all that living on the hog, foul decadant living, boozing and all, his demise was expected. Only the public was kept ignorant.

If these SOBs will not resign, the only avenue is they drop dead. Hope this harsh winter will take care of rest of these geezers, who through this crooked two party system consider themselves to be entitled.

I should be a warning to all these SOBs over 75, deadwood that has been bilking the tax payers for so long. Retire SOBs or drop dead.

Posted by: winemaster2 | February 8, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey MatthewE

Would you have felt the same if George Bush died in Office? I know the answer you have in your heart and ALSO the answer you will put up for all to see.

Being a charlatan never becomes a person yet there seem to be many, especially in CA, who prefer to be so. Sorry for you but the rest of the country is laughing at you and CA.

Ahhnold and the rest

HA

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

More than half of U.S. voters who describe themselves as independents disapprove of President Barack Obama’s job performance for the first time since he took office in January 2009, according to a poll released today. The Marist Poll found that 57 percent of independent voters have a negative view of Obama’s job performance, up from 44 percent in a Dec. 8 survey.

Posted by: drivl | February 8, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

jmr1601:

Sorry, but you are mistaken. Al Gore served in the military during Vietnam. Another pro war coward that you can add to your list of Bush and Cheney is John Ashcroft. Nothing like cowardly hypocrites. BTW they are always Republicas.

Posted by: dganderson13 | February 8, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey dganderson13

Yes Al Gore was in the military. Rear guard (no pun intended though it seems apropos) duty as a gun-toting? reporter. WOW how did he do it while his daddy was in the Senate?

On the other hand I spent 9 months in Landstuhl. And not for being a reporter. How about you, you ferocious defender of liberty and freedom?

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Wow dbsp3404 I live in CA but I obviously have a soul when I know it is wrong to take about the immediate job replacement of a congressmen WITHIN MINUTES of the report of his death came out.
People should AT LEAST have the dignity to be laid to rest with honor and not have to deal with total disrespectful losers like you.

Posted by: MatthewE | February 8, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The Democrat Party will meet their Waterloo in November of this year - the special elections are just a preview of the coming attractions.

Posted by: ddaly7 | February 8, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

dganderson13

Guess I am also a pro-war coward, to use your mind numbingly simplistic reasoning. But...

I am also a disabled Vet.

Are you??

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but Al Gore did serve in the military. John Ashcroft another pro war coward did not. I don't mind you not serving just don't be for the war. Pro war cowards are always Republicans. Just the facts.

Posted by: dganderson13 | February 8, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

MatthewE

Pull Murtha out of you. He is dead and engaging in Necrophilia will help nobody, including you!

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

BEAUTIFUL!!!

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Let's see - Teddy, Jackie, now maybe "Sheets" Byrd? With all due respect for the deceased - not a sermon, just a thought....

Posted by: ddaly7 | February 8, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

BEAUTIFUL!

Posted by: dbsp3404 | February 8, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Wow what a stupid comment you just posted Chris.

YOUR JOB IS TO ACT LIKE A HUMAN BEING WITH MORALS FIRST. YOU COULD HAVE AT LEAST WAITED.

IN THE IMMEDIATE AFTERMATH OF TED KENNEDY'S DEATH DID YOU SEARCH FOR HIS REPLACEMENTS BEFORE HIS BODY WAS BURIED?

YOU MIGHT AS WELL CLAMOR FOR MORE CALAMITOUS EVENTS TO HAPPEN SO YOU CAN JUST BLOG ABOUT THE LATEST NEWS ON WHO WILL REPLACE THEM.

COMPLETE UTTER BS

Posted by: MatthewE | February 8, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Let me echo what 37thand0street said:

BRUTAL BRUTAL BRUTAL.

Instead of sounding knowledgeable and using your expertise you sounded like a total BIG d-bag.

APOLOGIZE NOW or you will be labeled as a HEARTLESS OPPORTUNISTIC SMARTASS

Posted by: MatthewE | February 8, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Chris:


OH sorry, apparently you didn't step over the body, you TRIPPED over the body.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 8, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

All,

This is a politics blog and, as such, when something like this happens -- as sad as it is -- my job is to tell you what's next and what the political implications of it are.

For those looking for a retrospective on Mr. Murtha's career, I would suggest reading the Post's obituary.

Here it is: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/08/AR2010020802352.html

Thanks,
Chris

Posted by: Chris_Cillizza | February 8, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse


Chris


This posting is really BRUTAL - you have to do something

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 8, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Wow, a man has died. Usually the respectful thing to do when a person dies that you do not agree with is to keep quiet. Jack Murtha served his country when some others did not (Bill Clinton, George Bush, Dick Cheney and Al Gore to name but a few). Please let your words be soft and tender because tomorrow you may have to eat them.

Remember the nasty things you say will come back at you. Just a thought.

Posted by: jmr1601 | February 8, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse


========================================

george w. bush and algore both served in the military.

Posted by: twotimetuna | February 8, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Is it permissible/appropriate to use the "f word" as an adjective? I was recently dismissed from a doctor's office when I used that word to describe the health care system!!

Posted by: JaniceCrosby | February 8, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. OBVIOUSLY THERE IS GOING TO BE A SPECIAL ELECTION TO REPLACE HIM BUT YOU DO NOT SAY THAT WITHIN MINUTES OF THE REPORT THAT HE DIED.

I am an avid reader of your blog but this post was heartless, disrespectful, demeaning, unconscionable, cold and opportunistic.

When people are righting obituaries about his death you chose to take the cowards way out by reneging to the horse race for his seat.

Not even Republicans are expressing their giddiness to the race - yet. Out of respect for his death.

YOU SHOULD FEEL ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. RETRACT THIS POST. APOLOGIZE TO THE MURTHA FAMILY.

Very disappointed Chris, I thought you were a reporter with morals but apparently you have no soul.

Posted by: MatthewE | February 8, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Chris:


MAN - the least you can do is have 7-8 paragraphs saying what a great Congressman John Murtha was - and outlining his accomplishments and how long he was in Washington and Vietnam.

WOW


BRUTAL - THAT IS ALL I CAN SAY CHRIS.

Chris - your piece is the moral equivalent of stepping over the body to go straight to the election speculation.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | February 8, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

My condolences go to John Murtha's family and friends. I will reserve my political comments for a more appropriate time. May John Murtha rest in peace.

Posted by: reason5 | February 8, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Jaked,

You should be ashamed of yourself. Cheering anyone's death -- Democrat, Republican or Independent -- is absolutely beyond the pale. Period.

For all the others who feel compelled to comment on Rep. Murtha's death, please do so in a respectful manner.

Thank you,
Chrid

Posted by: Chris_Cillizza | February 8, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Wow, a man has died. Usually the respectful thing to do when a person dies that you do not agree with is to keep quiet. Jack Murtha served his country when some others did not (Bill Clinton, George Bush, Dick Cheney and Al Gore to name but a few). Please let your words be soft and tender because tomorrow you may have to eat them.

Remember the nasty things you say will come back at you. Just a thought.

Posted by: jmr1601 | February 8, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

GIVEN THE VENALITY ON DISPLAY HERE...

Murtha's family should hire a private investigator to probe whether operatives affiliated with ideologically-oriented entities may have infiltrated the health care system with the express purpose of compromising the congressman's care.

Here's why:

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves

OR NowPublic.com/scrivener (see "stories" list)

Posted by: scrivener50 | February 8, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Is Diana Irey likely to run for this seat again?

Posted by: dgauthier54 | February 8, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

The reason Murtha supported military spending (but not the troops) was that he had his hand in the till, which the Ethics Commission would have revealed, albeit not in this century, given Pelosi's stalling tactics. Now if only Rangle, Boxer, and Waters would only resign, or drop dead, the Ethics Commision could be disbanded.

Posted by: apberusdisvet | February 8, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Gluttony and Greed demand their pound of flesh.

Posted by: sperrico | February 8, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

You're one seriously fụcked up piece of garbage, Jake.

I hope you leave this world reduced to a leaking tottering wreck for all your death wishes for others. You deserve liver cancer.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 8, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

GIVEN THE VENALITY ON DISPLAY HERE...

Murtha's family should hire a private investigator to probe whether operatives affiliated with ideologically-oriented entities may have infiltrated the health care system with the express purpose of compromising the congressman's care.

Here's why:

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves

OR NowPublic.com/scrivener (see "stories" list)

Posted by: scrivener50 | February 8, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I guess Obimbo can now properly call him a Marine Corpse.

From the Etazi.

Oh, if only we all spoke a different language. except barry. he seems to have enough trouble with English.

and don't try to get him to count past 50. all he knows beyond 41 is 57.

Posted by: drivl | February 8, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Time for TERM LIMITS now that these old geezers are dying off.

Posted by: SeniorVet | February 8, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Murtha was not an "innocent" life (I support the death penalty BTW). Nonetheless, we all die someday, none more deservedly than this traitor to the Marine Corps (it's pronounced "CORE" as well ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 8, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Did Murtha ever APOLOGIZE TO THOSE MARINES who he accused of murder? Well, did he?

I think not.

Posted by: screwjob11 | February 8, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love that culture of life

Posted by: Noacoler | February 8, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Waiting for the "pro-life" trolls to weigh in with their cheers thar a Democrat died.

Posted by: Noacoler | February 8, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

WOO HOO!!!

Posted by: JakeD2 | February 8, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

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