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NY-23: Scozzafava Endorses Owens

State Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava (R), who dropped from the special election in Upstate New York yesterday, has now thrown her support to Democrat Bill Owens.

"It's not in the cards for me to be your representative, but I strongly believe Bill is the only candidate who can build upon John McHugh's lasting legacy in the U.S. Congress," said Scozzafava in a statement released moments ago.

Owens said he was "honored" to have won Scozzafava's endorsement, noting: "Now more than ever we need bipartisan solutions to help bring jobs to Upstate New York to get our economy back on track and move our country forward."

It's not clear how much Scozzafava's backing of Owens will change the race. Democratic strategists, who just 48 hours ago saw the race moving back in their direction, have grown pessimistic about their chances in the aftermath of the Scozzafava decision.

Polling conducted by the Siena Research Institute -- and released on Saturday -- showed that more than 60 percent of Scozzafava backers were self-identified Republicans, meaning that the majority of them are likely to back Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman.

Republicans are clearly worried about the impact of the Scozzafava endorsement, however. Ken Spain, communications director of the National Republican Congressional Committee, called Hoffman the "candidate best positioned and suited to protect Fort Drum and continue the legacy of John McHugh", adding that House Republican leaders have promised Hoffman a seat on the House Armed Services Committee.

By Chris Cillizza  |  November 1, 2009; 2:23 PM ET
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Plain and Simply! This is a grass roots anger against the direction Obama is taking this country.

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GOP identification down to 17% according to the latest WSJ poll.

You nincompoops can get as angry as you want.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 2, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I'll take my popcorn with butter (ohhhh, I'm so naughty) AND salt.

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yeah an' I bet you're fixated on religion and guns too!

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 2, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

How sad that a great state that produced legendary and effective liberal Republicans like Nelson Rockefeller and Jacob Javits is now dealing with the likes of Green Teeth Hoffman and a mob of goosestepping rightwingnuts.

Yes, inbred droolers, your party once was a big tent. Now it's a pup tent, on the verge of folding in on itself like a black hole.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 2, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

CayC - what "direction" is Obama "taking this country"? I thought he was focusing us all on complicated issues that we mostly all agreed are presenting real problems. Initiating informed exploration and debate sounds like a good direction, no?

Posted by: soxfan3 | November 2, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Plain and Simply! This is a grass roots anger against the direction Obama is taking this country. Congress better start paying attention to the people who sent them to Washington, because their party doesn't vote, if they want to keep their job that is.

Posted by: CayC | November 2, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Does any of this even matter? This is a small district in a state that reliably votes Democratic in national elections.

The only thing of interest I see here is how national figures have stepped in to decide a local election -- and deprive local residents of the opportunity to choose their own representative. Turning local elections into national ones is probably not a good precedent. It pushes local issues off the stage.

Posted by: jt12 | November 2, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"If we get into a cycle where every time one side loses, they run a third-party candidate, we'll make Pelosi speaker for life and guarantee Obama's re-election." -- Newt Gingrich, a one-time Scozzafava supporter.

Here's the petard you ordered, Mr. Gingrich...

-- MrJM
http://twitter.com/misterjayem

Posted by: MrJM | November 2, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Gator-ron - Those "who love this country,feel strongly about fiscal responsibility, conservation of our environment, the rights of free speech and the right to own and use their guns responsibly" describes almost everybody I know -- Republican, Democrat, Independent, Austrian, German, French, Dutch, English, Belgian, ... (I don't know the party affiliations of my European friends)

Posted by: soxfan3 | November 2, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I have no particular problem with Hoffman winning that district. It is probably a reflection of that particular rural conservative district want someone in office who represents their particular ideology.

Hoffman's problems begin if he wins. That is when he will find out that this conservative ideology he has really hasn't got thing one to do with actually governing. One of the first problems he will face is how he will react when he is faced with accepting or rejecting the "pork" his ideological allies on the right say they are so dead set against. That has been where conservatives have faced the true dilemma of "purity". And in almost every case they have failed that test, reaching for that grabbag just as greedily as any democratic representative has ever done.

Posted by: jaxas | November 2, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Republicans who love this country,feel strongly about fiscal responsibility, conservation of our environment, the rights of free speech and the right to own and use their guns responsibly should stay in their party or go back to it if they left and vote for candidates that represent their values. In the primary vote for such candidates even though their candidate has no hope of winning. Then in the election vote for the Democrat if he is tolerable and if not vote for a third party candidate or skip voting for the office or write in a vote. They important thing is to make your voice heard. These right wing fanatics know how to count votes and if they know you are around they will consider you when they are planning.

You decent Republicans have a duty to your country to straighten out the party. To let them know that you will not stand by while they try to ruin our country.

Posted by: Gator-ron | November 2, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I'll say this again--None of this means anything. With all due respect to Ron Paul and the Libertarians, revolutions don't go over very well in America.

Look. It really dos not matter anymore who wins. If by some trick or quirk, the country suddenly lurched right and kicked out Barack Obama and put in any one of the right wing candidates, do you really think that the deep, intractable problems that we and the rest of the world face are going to go away?

I am certain conservatives will levitate with glee if they win but, they were gleeful when Bush won as they were when Reagan won. In both instances they held solid political power yet, the ideals and principles conservatives are so dead set on implementing never quite happened? Why? Because in the end, the convenient ideological labels of liberal and conservative mean absolutely nothing as the liberals in Conress and througout the country are finding out now. The conservatives found that out when they were in power as well.

So, just remember this: Whomever is in power, they will not survive until they come up with some real world solutions that get us to an acceptable level of employment, that keep us out of these costly and damaging wars, that cleans up our air and water, that reforms our educational system so that we begin turning out the best and brightest, and that has an energuy plan that gets us away from declining fossil fuels.

So farm neither liberalism nor conservatism has been able to do that.

Posted by: jaxas | November 2, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

To "armpeg" : My sentiments exactly! People need to face reality...Scozzafava has the ideals and values of a democrat. The saying "a wolf in sheep's clothing" comes to mind! Bipartisan support? That's a laugh. Any followers that she may have are welcome to follow the democratic line. If they follow that line, then step right behind our illustrious president who is leading this country to financial ruin!

Posted by: SeniorVet | November 2, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

In the world of the RITWADs (Republican in Thoughts, Words and Deeds), is there any topic that they don't "agree on" (i.e., that is subject for careful study and informed debate)? If so, are there cases where the perspectives of non-RITWADs can possibly be of any value? Are there any current issues where there is active RITWAD debates other than who qualifies as a true member?

Hey, if you rearrange the letters in RITWAD, it spells DARWIN! (not really)

Posted by: soxfan3 | November 2, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

PeixeGato1's claim that we conservative Republicans are a "gang" because we don't support any and all Republican candidates is illogical and laughable at best. A "gang" is exactly what the Democrap Socialist Party has become. They followed Comrade Obama like a bunch of Lemmings going over a cliff even though he was a racist white and America--hater for all of his adult life, and even though he was a follower of James Combs racist and Communist Black Liberation Front, promoting the Malcolm X philosophy while in college. His mentors then also included avowed Communists Frank Marshall Davis and Paul Robeson, both leaders of CPUSA (Communist Party USA). Out of college his mentors, friends and assocciates were racist white and America--haters Jerimiah Wright Jr, Nation of Islam nut-case Louis Farrakhan, America--haters and terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn, and a few more of that ilk. All this didn't matter to the Democrap Socialists like you, and the rest of you Obama--worshippers, because all you cared about that he belonged to the "gang" and was a party--member. Unlike you, we conservative Republicans have pricipals and believe in certain but different things. John McCain's nomination for instance was a good example. We real conservative Republicans didn't like McCain, because we knew him to be a moderate who had supported a lot of liberal Democrap Socialist ideas that we didn't go along with. Come election time though, we either had to vote for him because he was the lesser of the two evils, or stay home. Many of us stayed home.

Posted by: armpeg | November 2, 2009 7:59 AM | Report abuse

NY23 is quite rural, white, and native-born. It's real effect on 2010 is that everyone will draw the wrong lesson from its voting results regardless of the outcome.

The Dems would be best off if the right-wing-nut Hoffman won; it would then send a signal to Republicans to run radical candidates all over the country - candidates who could never carry a district with a high component of suburbanites or minorities.

Posted by: malachhamovess | November 2, 2009 4:22 AM | Report abuse

and another note to "conservatives", NY-23 is a VERY conservative district that has been represented by a repub since the mid- to late-1800s. You SHOULD be winning this race. This race should not even be getting any attention.

You can talk all you want about how the "establishment" repub party has been sent a message, but face it, NY-23:conservatives :: CA-8:liberals.

Posted by: PeixeGato1 | November 2, 2009 1:56 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and I'll take my popcorn with butter (ohhhh, I'm so naughty) AND salt.

I'm waiting for repubs (or whatever you want to call yourselves) to start fighting over what a true "conservative" is. Back in 2000, you were all falling over yourselves to tout Bush as the type of "conservative" that the country needed and that the republican party needed to turn to in order to move the party forward. How well did that work for ya?

Posted by: PeixeGato1 | November 2, 2009 1:51 AM | Report abuse

armpeg said: "Small wonder then that they just love it when we nominate a 'moderate' Republican, who they then trot out as a "good" Republican. They'll never vote for him/her of course but they always have lots of nice things to say about him/her, before, during, and after the elections."


Well there you have it. If you are a "republican" and any non-republican has anything nice to say about you, then you are obviously NOT a real republican.

That's a reflection of gang mentality. When did the republican party become a gang?

Posted by: PeixeGato1 | November 2, 2009 1:47 AM | Report abuse

In the long run all they're accomplishing is to scare away the majority of citizens.

No one really wants to be in that little tent, with a bunch of screaming, angry extremists. Not even their parties own people want to be around them anymore.

Posted by: Nymous | November 2, 2009 1:32 AM | Report abuse

The reason real conservative Republicans are NOT backing RINO Scozzafava: Unlike the Obama worshippers on CC's blog, who are following their Communist Joe Stalin--light leader over the cliff while he changes our countries government from a capitalist Representative Republic to a Marxist Socialist dictatorship, we conservatives are getting rid of our RINO's and going with a true conservative, Hoffman.
The proven fact is that we usually win elections when we support real conservatives, and lose when we back what our political enemies call 'moderate' Republicans. 'Moderate' Republicans like McCain, Dole, Scozzafava, etc are loved by the Democrap Socialists and the Democrap Socialist Party--controlled Main Stream Media, because they know that they're losers when pitted against one of their own. Small wonder then that they just love it when we nominate a 'moderate' Republican, who they then trot out as a "good" Republican. They'll never vote for him/her of course but they always have lots of nice things to say about him/her, before, during, and after the elections.

Posted by: armpeg | November 2, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

comin' right up. seasoned salt or (shudder) butter?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 1, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Pass the popcorn.

Posted by: nodebris | November 1, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Hoffman wins: Republicans are emboldened to sniff out and destroy uncommitted conservatives, demanding that only the true movement crazies get nominations. Democrats win as Republicans' ideological purity has them running unelectable candidates.

Hoffman loses: Republicans are defiant and work even harder to sniff out and destroy uncommitted conservatives, demanding that only the true movement crazies get nominations. Democrats win as Republicans' ideological purity has them running unelectable candidates.

Over the cliff, either way.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 1, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

PPP Poll JUST RELEASED:

HOFFMAN 54 - OWENS 38

Hoffman leads big
Doug Hoffman has a commanding lead in the special election for New York's 23rd Congressional District.

In a three way contest with Democrat Bill Owens and Republican Dede Scozzafava Hoffman leads with 51% to 34% for Owens and 13% for Scozzafava. In a head to head contest with Owens Hoffman holds a 54-38 advantage.

Polling the race was a little haphazard in a weekend with many twists and turns but Hoffman showed a similar lead at all junctures. In interviews conducted before Scozzafava announced the suspension of her campaign Hoffman led Owens 49-31 with 17% going to Scozzafava. Poll respondents Saturday afternoon/evening and early Sunday afternoon were informed that Scozzafava had dropped out but that her name would still be on the ballot. During that period of time Hoffman led Owens 51-34 with Scozzafava's share going down to 12%. After Scozzafava announced she was endorsing Owens the remaining Sunday respondents were informed of that and the race showed a little tightening with Hoffman up 52-38 on Owens and Scozzafava's share dropping to 7%.

The bottom line though is that Hoffman led by double digits during every segment of the poll, an indication that he may have been headed for a definitive victory regardless of Scozzafava's actions over the course of the weekend.

Hoffman is leading Scozzafava 71-15 among Republicans with 12% going to Owens. Among Democrats Owens gets 67% to 21% for Hoffman and 10% for Scozzafava. Hoffman leads Owens 52-30 with independents.

One key finding that may have ultimately scuttled Scozzafava's candidacy: 59% of Republicans considered her to be a liberal and only 7% thought she was a conservative. By comparison 80% of them consider Hoffman to be a conservative, and that's a good thing where nearly two thirds of GOP voters define themselves that way.

Republican voters also appear to be considerably more energized about the election than Democrats. While Barack Obama won a narrow victory in NY-23 last year, those planning to vote in this race supported John McCain by a 51-43 margin. Obama's approval rating with likely voters is just 39%.

We will have much more on NY-23 over the next 24 hours.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/11/hoffman-leads-big.html

Actual Poll:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NY23_1101424.pdf

Note: PPP Polling is a Democratic Leaning Polling Firm

Posted by: Washington13 | November 1, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like (some) Republicans are united in deciding they must destroy the party to save it. Mind if I just pull up a seat and watch? Let's see, First Act: recriminations. Second Act: witch hunts. Third Act . . . I'm guessing book burnings.

Posted by: nodebris | November 1, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

According to INTRADE:

Owens has completely lost almost all the gains made during the day.

Hoffman has jumped back up to 63.0 after falling as low as 45.0.

The people putting money down on these races are picking McDonnel, Corzine and Hoffman.

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/trading/t_index.jsp?selConID=699143

Posted by: Washington13 | November 1, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

looks like the staff shut down the PCs in the day room to get the patients to mingle more

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 1, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't joking. I'm sure they would like to see a return to public execution, to the pillory and stocks. Never forget the core of the religious right movement in America is Rushdoony's Reconstructionism and they yes do believe in stoning people to death.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 1, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"Ladies and gentleman, I give you a Republican.

Come on guy wouldn't you rather see her burned at the stake?"

Don't joke. These Palin cultists are one step from the Taliban. Perhaps you're unaware that Palin had herself exorcised to protect her from witches by a priest before she ran for governor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwkb9_zB2Pg

Posted by: B2O2 | November 1, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

"Polling conducted by the Siena Research Institute -- and released on Saturday -- showed that more than 60 percent of Scozzafava backers were self-identified Republicans, meaning that the majority of them are likely to back Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman."

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That's a statistically bizarre conclusion.

I'd say the fact that 40% of her supporters weren't Republican is the more interesting take-away, and the presumption that all the rest, all 60%, are in the bag for this outsider (who is after all NOT a Republican but a member of one of those American Insignificant Party things) ... is just ridiculous. Movement conservatism does not enjoy the support of all Republicans. Some of them are still sane.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 1, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Tar and feather? I can tell you are in pain and blame her, but isn't that maybe just a bit excessive?

Posted by: soxfan3 | November 1, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Scozzafava doesn't even qualifiy as a RINO. She was a Democrat masquerading as a Republican. However now her true colors have now been exposed. Too bad tarring and feathering have gone out of style as she would be an excellent candidate.

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Ladies and gentleman, I give you a Republican.

Come on guy wouldn't you rather see her burned at the stake?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 1, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

In 2009, the GOP doesn't find you worthy unless you pass their ultra-conservative tests. Support equal rights, but are a fiscal conservative? Sorry your a dirty RINO. Support a woman's right to choose? RINO.

Basically being a true fiscal conservative has no place in today's GOP. If you can't align yourself with their radical social agenda, then your nothing but a RINO, and not welcome.

Posted by: BurtReynolds | November 1, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

walker1 asked:


Well, NO.
The problem is that the shrinking number of people who self-identify as Republicans are out of touch with the mainline traditional fiscal conservatives who have been the backbone of the party since it began. The rest of us are running like scalded dogs from the big-government, you-thought-you-read-my-lips tax policies that expanded government under both Bushes, and a GOP Congress that went rogue. The GOP "establishment" is as tone deaf as the MSM and the Democrats who are missing the point of this shift.

The RINOs can have the GOP party structure. It's worthless. If it doesn't shape up quickly,like yesterday!, it's dead.
It ain't that hard for the rest of us to start a new fiscally conservative party effort if you've got as many people as there are really, really pissed off right now.

Posted by: parkbench | November 1, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Scozzafava doesn't even qualifiy as a RINO. She was a Democrat masquerading as a Republican. However now her true colors have now been exposed. Too bad tarring and feathering have gone out of style as she would be an excellent candidate.

Posted by: fenoy | November 1, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't know.

In NY-20, Democrats won a special election with a guy from Missouri versus an establishment Republican.

Missouri is a lot farther away than NY-20 is to NY-23.

Upstate New Yorkers have proven they will vote for an outsider.

Just ask Hillary.

Posted by: Washington13 | November 1, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Keep following clowns like Sarah Palin, all of you knuckledragging, drooling rightwingnuts -- right over the cliff.

Palin/Bachmann 2012! Oh please, oh please.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 1, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

This is falling-down hilarious! Even if the Republican candidate wins this one, the Republicans lose for having split their party right down the middle. And if the Republicans actually lose (which is what I think will happen), they will look REALLY bad.

The Republicans seem to have forgotten one of the oldest rules in the book here. They were extremely disrespectful to Scozzafava, and hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. I think the voters in that district are going to view the whole thing as a rude insult by the so-called "conservatives," and give their hand-picked carpetbagger a good old-fashioned upstate New York whipping.

Posted by: MagicDog1 | November 1, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: madrad2002 | November 1, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party was once the party of Realism and pragmatism, but since Reagan it has become a harder edged ideological movement based upon a lot of crazy schemes and race paranoia. It's become a party of neocons and race baiters.

Posted by: osullivanc1 | November 1, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

What we don't need is more Republicans driving the economy in to further ruin. I think we've had enough of the so called family valued hyprocates for a while.
The GOP need at least 8 year of out of office punishment for the crap they've delivered on the rest of us.

Posted by: hhkeller | November 1, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

All you RINO-yelling champions of ideological purity should learn a little historical perspective .. parties and countries who've gone down that path don't exactly shine as history's most wonderful moments. Far from it, in fact.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 1, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

NY23 went for Obama in 2008 52-48.

Posted by: Washington13 | November 1, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

It seems logical the extremely conservative Hoffman should win in a conservative congressional district.

Posted by: Emmetrope | November 1, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Beeker,

Those two polls are a lifetime ago.

They were taken by Republican leaning outfits.

The PPP Poll was taken hours ago and is run by Democrats.

Posted by: Washington13 | November 1, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

The Dems need to wake up and stop giving away the store to the health insurance companies

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What about the Republicans, they are in the pockets of those industries to begin with.

Posted by: beeker25 | November 1, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Ha! Lincoln sure had a lot of forethought if he left the Republican party back in 1864!

Posted by: soxfan3 | November 1, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

According to the Progressive Republican Blog
Doug Hoffman and his wife, Carol, will not have a ballot to vote because they both live in Lake Placid which is the 20th District.
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=160054534356&ref=mf
That is just one story thus far.

The question comes about the "so called polls" raising questions about its reliability that Hoffman is in the lead using the sample size of 300.

http://themoderatevoice.com/51035/about-doug-hoffmans-lead/

Posted by: beeker25 | November 1, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Lincoln would not begin to reconize what is today called the republicon a[party. He also left the party because party was not really that important with a party that had been created less than 5 years before his initial election and create a new p[arty called the Union Party for his second election in 1864.

TR, and Ike, the only decent republicon presidents since Lincoln were reviled by the conservative wing (both led by Tafts in their respective eras) and neither would stand a chance at survival in todays gop. Even st. reagan, if he were reincarnated this very second and acted in exactly the way he did while alive would be labeled a RINO in todays republiocon party. You hard core fanatics do not know enough of your own party history to fill a matchbook cover.

AS for Democrats - they WERE the aprty of segregation and Dixie. When FDR made the party responsive to the needs of all people - and Truman put a specific civil rights plank in the Democratic party platform in 1948 the positions on race did a 180. republicons saw the chance of picking up the southern bigot vote, which they dubbed the "Southern Stratgegy." Wporked well enough while there were majorities of white bigots in the south. To bad for the gop those days are gone for good, but the party is still a breeding ground for ignorance, hypocrisy, lies and race hatred.

Posted by: John1263 | November 1, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Who was the last real Republican president before Reagan (assuming he was real). From what I've read, it seems that Eisenhower, Nixon and Ford were R.I.N.O.s. Was Goldwater a "real" candidate?

Posted by: soxfan3 | November 1, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Since there is apparently no room in the "new' Republican Party for moderates, I will just have to stand with Libertarians and moderate Democrats. Thank you ultra righties for helping make this important decision in my life.

Posted by: GordonShumway | November 1, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

It's just wrong to call the folks manufacturing candidate Hoffman "conservative". They aren't. Find a more accurate word.

Posted by: gradya3 | November 1, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully it will be a Republican sweep next Tuesday. The Dems need to wake up and stop giving away the store to the health insurance companies.

The Dems really need a shaking and then move us in the direction of something close to a single-payer system in health care.

Posted by: Maddogg | November 1, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Bill,

Do a google search. I think that was Strategic Vision.

I don't know.

I just found them to be the only one doing polling all weekend.

I also saw redstate.com make fun of their pollster for being worried about low Democrat turnout.

http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/01/ppps-tom-jensen-has-a-problem/

I assumed their leaning as Democrat based on their own statements.

Posted by: Washington13 | November 1, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Christie Todd Whitman, after beleiving the liars in bushco that she would be empowered as EPA director, left the bush/republicon syndicate and wrote a book. The essence of the book was that the republicon party that she was a part of - conservative but not blinded by empty campaign rhetoric, the lunatic fringe, and the tinfoil/teabag hat crowd no longer existed. There are not really all that many who wear tinfoil and teabags without embarrasment.

Posted by: John1263 | November 1, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

With conservatives desperate for a win, the only question here is how much voter fraud they commit to get Hoffman elected.

Anybody else find it funny that he doesn't even live in the NY-23 district?

Posted by: zackool | November 1, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

With conservatives desperate for a win, the only question here is how much voter fraud they commit to get Hoffman elected.

Anybody else find it funny that he doesn't even live in the NY-23 district?

Posted by: zackool | November 1, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

After over 50 years as a fiscally conservative, socially moderate Republican I am leaving the party for good due to their recent behavior. Now you may call me a RINO or whatever but millions like me are leaving your hate and lies. For just one example out of the many, death panel claims were just lies. Bye Bye (but I am still voting at each and every opportunity.)

Posted by: elpaso | November 1, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

santafe2 - I don't think they really want that, but it sure does seem that will be the inevitable result of what they do. In a true global free market, there will be no wage (or salary) differences based on geography - except where geographic location is critical. Manufacturing will be done in China and analytic work will be done in India. We get to work in theme parks.

Personally, I think it is at least a bit OK if we try to keep our standard of living higher than in the rest of the world, but it seems that the true conservatives don't like that.

Posted by: soxfan3 | November 1, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Is http://twitter.com/ppppolls that republican polling group that claimed multiple offices in several states -- then it was discovered they were all mail drops?

Republican pollsters are famous for their double dealing and dishonesty.

Posted by: BillAdkins | November 1, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

PPP POLLING'S DEMOCRATIC POLLSTER:

Tonight is not going to be nearly as fun as the Sunday night before the election last year for a Democratic pollster...
3 minutes ago from web

http://twitter.com/ppppolls

Tonight's approximate poll release schedule:

Roughly speaking:

NY-23 around 10
New Jersey around 11
Maine around midnight
Virginia around 1 AM
Chapel Hill around 2 AM
Charlotte around 3 AM

POSTED BY TOM JENSEN AT 8:03 PM

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/11/tonights-poll-schedule.html

Posted by: Washington13 | November 1, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

charlietuna666 wrote:
"...martin luther king was a republican, Lincoln was a republican and if
I remember correctly the democrats are the only party with a sitting KuKluxKlan member in the senate named robert c. byrd"
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How many times do we have to read this balderdash?

Lincoln was a Republican. I doubt his ideas would be welcomed in the modern GOP but they were fine during the mid 1800's

Sen. Byrd WAS a member of the KKK. Notice the use of past tense. We all know this. He apologized profusely and admitted that he was wrong. People make mistakes..move on. You are the first to holler about the "Blame Bush for everything" movement and how some folks need to look ahead rather than behind. Take your own advice.

Martin Luther King was NOT a Republican. He never formally registered any political affiliation. He voted for JFK and LBJ and denounced Goldwater in the presidential elections. Oh wait, he modeled part of the "I have a dream" speech on remarks given by Archibald Carey at the 1952 Republican National Convention. I guess using part of a theme from a political party equals total endorsement of that party, eh?

charlietuna666, you want to bash the Democratic Party, go ahead. Just try to make salient points that don't rely on distortions or outright falsehoods.

Posted by: Ken_Davis1 | November 1, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Trouble with Drivel - nicely choreographed circular references by media mercenaries and sniper scribes' group-think assembly-lined balderdash [referring to one another’s articles, thus “supporting” their points] is efficiently cluttering the print and cyber media. Unfortunately for their paymasters, the discourse is having an irreversible and ultimately positive effect: people are questioning authority and thinking for themselves. Oops, the cat's out of the bag.
Just a couple of years ago Scozzafava's two-step would have been written off as "another politician" doing what they do best, deceive the public. Today, well, judge for yourselves. Transparency, it's a good thing.

Posted by: PerseMagus | November 1, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Christie Todd Whitman, after beleiving the liars in bushco that she would be empowered as EPA director, left the bush/republicon syndicate and wrote a book. The essence of the book was that the republicon party that she was a part of - conservative but not blinded by empty campaign rhetoric, the lunatic fringe, and the tinfoil/teabag hat crowd no longer existed. There are not really all that many who wear tinfoil and teabags without embarrasment.

Posted by: John1263 | November 1, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

The fundamental problem with the right wing extremists is that they want to bankrupt America and raise up commie China.

They do this by their support for tariffs, and their support for no win wars overseas.

They really want to destroy jobs in America. Why? Ask their Masters in commie China. Maybe they will tell us why right-wingers kowtow to commie China.

Posted by: santafe2 | November 1, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

So much joy watching the GOP in its death throes. Please, please, I beg you, keep the Tea Baggers at the tiller.

Posted by: bobnsri | November 1, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

The conservative base of the GOP has been disassociating itself from its more moderate membership for a while now. Every time someone from their inner circle opens his/her mouth, their appeal to the majority of Americans further plummets.

At the current rate at which these Limbaugh-lovers are burning their bridges, the only way they will be able to return to the White House is by a coup.

Posted by: labman57 | November 1, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Good for her.

A great patriot.

Perhaps when the carpetbagger candidate foisted on her district by outsiders -- according to reports I've read, a fellow who doesn't actually reside there (that would be something, if true) -- is squashed at the polls, the moderate wing of the Republican Party will start taking back the leadership apparatus from unelected prima donnas like Limbaugh (who never ran for public office and couldn't win if he did), Hannity (ditto), and Beck.

Posted by: hogsmile | November 1, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

There was a Republican candidate in the NY race? Hmmm wonder who it was?

Posted by: Straightline | November 1, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

GoldAndTanzanite - I just read somewhere else that Hoffman does not live in the district, but figured that was disinformation -- how could he be allowed to run in a district where he doesn't live? I thought citizenship and residency were fairly fundamental principles in our system of representative government.

Is his non-residency a documented fact? Does one even have to live in NY state to run for office there?

Posted by: soxfan3 | November 1, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

I am astonished (not speechless, because I want to rant here with the others) that the dems have completely p**** away all their goodwill in less than a year.

All they had to do WAS SIT ON THEIR A** and make the #1 priority jobs. That's it.

Most people are satisfied with their healthcare. Most people could care less about climate 100 years from now. And probably most people want to bail from Afghanistan.

So what have they done? Make it clear they will raise taxes so homeless and illegal immigrants can get healthcare.

Raise taxes so people can have COLDER winters.

Continue the war in Afghanistan ... where the Afghanis are perfectly satisfied to live their medieval lifestyle and grow poppies.

Any comments?

Posted by: oracle2world | November 1, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

This is no surprise. Scozzafava's position on most issues were consistent with the Democratic party.

Besides, her husband is a liberal labor activist.

Why was she ever a Republican in the first place?

Posted by: HughJassPhD | November 1, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

B202,

You need to check INTRADE again:

Owens is not doing as well as he was earlier. He is at 35.0

Hoffman is moving over 52.0 again.

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/trading/t_index.jsp?selConID=699143

Posted by: Washington13 | November 1, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey, maybe Hoffman will even move into the 23rd district he wants to represent.

==

But that would mean running into the lower orders, you know, people not worth millions.

Ewwww.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 1, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

"leliorisen, martin luther king was a republican, Lincoln was a republican and if
I remember correctly the democrats are the only party with a sitting KuKluxKlan member in the senate named robert c. byrd. Where do you get this stuff? The republicans have been trying to save the black people since the civil war."

charlietuna666, I suspect you know as well as any of us that that Republican party is LONG gone. Don't play dumb. You belong to a party that on some days can only be disinguished from the Taliban in that they do their 15th-century thing in western dress while speaking English (sort of) instead of Pashtun.

Posted by: B2O2 | November 1, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Maybe with all that campaign cash coming in Hoffman can maybe skim $74 off the top and buy a Sonicare

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 1, 2009 7:43 PM
___________

Hey, maybe Hoffman will even move into the 23rd district he wants to represent.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 1, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

leliorisen,

Your comments are racially tinged and don't belong on this board. You are a loser and you insult black men like Michael Steele for being stupid. You need to grow up.

Posted by: dboc_991 | November 1, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

leliorisen,

You're comments are racially tinged and don't belong on this board. You are a loser and you insult black men like Michael Steele for being stupid. You need to grow up.

Posted by: dboc_991 | November 1, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Let's put aside the Fox's bizarre Dede's endorsement-is-bad-for-Owens spin for a second, and appreciate her eloquent endorsement of Owens.

Excerpt:

"In Bill Owens, I see a sense of duty and integrity that will guide him beyond political partisanship. He will be an independent voice devoted to doing what is right for New York. Bill understands this district and its people, and when he represents us in Congress he will put our interests first.

Please join me in voting for Bill Owens on Tuesday. To address the tough challenges ahead, we must rise above partisanship and politics and work together. There's too much at stake in this election to do otherwise."

Well done.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 1, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Maybe with all that campaign cash coming in Hoffman can maybe skim $74 off the top and buy a Sonicare

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 1, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but a "Republican" who supports liberal Democrats iover fringe right kooks and their stupidity is not just a Republican but a patriot. Scozzafava just recognized the idiocy, the lunacy of the fringe right and that to follow them over the cliff is suicide for her party, the GOP. .

Posted by: BillAdkins | November 1, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

... but I need to disagree with Rich. I believe that whether or not Hoffman wins the far right will redouble efforts to purge electable Republicans and replace them with nutjobs of the social conservative camp.

Because if the last few years have taught us anything, it's that GOP beliefs bear no relationship with supportive or contradictory evidence.

Or with reality.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 1, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but a "Republican" who supports liberal Democrats and their program is not a Republican after all. Scozzafava just revealed her true ideology, so its just as well she is gone.

Posted by: pgr88 | November 1, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans in Congress and George W. Bush in his two terms 2001-2009 presided over a doubling of unemployment, the collapse of Wall Street, the demise of the real estate boom, $4 a gallon gasoline, the worst job creation record ever (even Carter in his one, now second worst president in history after W created over 3 times the number of jobs that W did in two terms), record budget deficits year after year culminating with the FY 2009 disaster, doubled the national debt, halved the GDP and instituted failed tax policies that this year delivered the lowest tax revenue this nation has experienced since the Great Depression I.

And Rush and his pals wax nostalgic about that eight year nightmare culminating in disaster as if it could be quickly forgotten. They can dress up as tea partiers or 912ers or birthers if they want but they’re all selling the same defective Republican product that made this mess. Thanks, but no thanks. It’s going to take a generation to recover from Bush’s heckuva job.

Posted by: BillAdkins | November 1, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Chris might also want to go back and take a remedial math course.

"Polling conducted by the Siena Research Institute -- and released on Saturday -- showed that more than 60 percent of Scozzafava backers were self-identified Republicans, meaning that the majority of them are likely to back Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman."

That's a "majority" of Scozzafava backers who are Republicans. But the other 40% presumably would be up for grabs. When 40% of your former opponents' votes are now fair game, that's a huge potential shift Chris. Owens doesn't have to win all of Scozzafava's backers to win.

The Taliban insurgency in NY has reason to be nervous.

Posted by: B2O2 | November 1, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

What's D.I.A.B.L.0.? I just learned R.I.N.O. and want to know more! Is there a wiki page or something with these labels?

Posted by: soxfan3 | November 1, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Frank Rich nails it again:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/opinion/01rich.html

"The right’s embrace of Hoffman is a double-barreled suicide for the G.O.P. On Saturday, the battered Scozzafava suspended her campaign, further scrambling the race. It’s still conceivable that the Democratic candidate could capture a seat the Republicans should own. But it’s even better for Democrats if Hoffman wins. Punch-drunk with this triumph, the right will redouble its support of primary challengers to 2010 G.O.P. candidates they regard as impure. That’s bad news for even a Republican as conservative as Kay Bailey Hutchison, whose primary opponent in the Texas governor’s race, the incumbent Rick Perry, floated the possibility of secession at a teabagger rally in April and hastily endorsed Hoffman on Thursday.

The more rightists who win G.O.P. primaries, the greater the Democrats’ prospects next year. But the electoral math is less interesting than the pathology of this movement. Its antecedent can be found in the early 1960s, when radical-right hysteria carried some of the same traits we’re seeing now: seething rage, fear of minorities, maniacal contempt for government, and a Freudian tendency to mimic the excesses of political foes. Writing in 1964 of that era’s equivalent to today’s tea party cells, the historian Richard Hofstadter observed that the John Birch Society’s “ruthless prosecution” of its own ideological war often mimicked the tactics of its Communist enemies. "

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 1, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

"It's not clear how much Scozzafava's backing of Owens will change the race. Democratic strategists, who just 48 hours ago saw the race moving back in their direction, have grown pessimistic about their chances in the aftermath of the Scozzafava decision."

LOL. CHRIS, YOU NEED TO LEARN TO CHECK IN AT INTRADE.COM ONCE IN AWHILE.

(Intrade is the prediction/futures market that routinely calls elections with more accuracy than pollsters. People buy and sell futures, and the idea is that the "wisdom of the crowds" - many people aggregating their info and putting their money where their thoughts are - are able peg things better than any single pundit.)

Yesterday, before this announcement, the Democrat was at 30% likelihood to win. Today, Owens has soared to 52%.

Intrade is ahead of the beltway media once again! Check it out, Chris.

Posted by: B2O2 | November 1, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Well... nobody likes extremists. Hoffman is clearly a divisive and unlikable politician.

Posted by: cstarr1 | November 1, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post calling her a "moderate" is seen to be silly revisionism. D.I.A.B.L.O. or R.I.N.O. or whatever. She might as well officially call herself a democrat because she is done as a Republican.

Posted by: Rob-Roy | November 1, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

So help me out here -- I may have unknowingly been a R.I.N.O. for a while. I did vote for Mitt Romney for MA governor, but that was when he was OK with gay rights and seemed to want to use the power of taxation to add value to society.

Is it the case that I would have been a R.I.N.O. if:
- I have lots of friends who are gay, many of whom are married, and I think that is really OK
- I don't like the USA declaring war on and invading other countries without it being absolutely, totally necessary and carefully thought through
- I believe in individual freedom of thought, speech and action, consistent with our constitution and laws
- I believe that investors and employers have a responsibility to support our economy as a quid pro quo for the right to operate within our country -- and not ship jobs oversees solely to enrich themselves
- I believe that health care coverage should not be linked to one's place of employment, and that it is a hard, complex problem to solve and requires open, active, honest debate.

Those are things I always thought would help build a strong, dynamic and caring society. Does that mean I am not qualified to be a Republican?

Posted by: soxfan3 | November 1, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

@G&T:

"Democratic strategists, who just 48 hours ago saw the race moving back in their direction, have grown pessimistic about their chances in the aftermath of the Scozzafava decision."
__________

What!!??!

I glossed over this stuff on first read. It is EXTREMELY hard to believe there are Dem "strategists" saying it is a bad thing that Dede is endorsing Democrat Owens. Notably, the strategists aren't identified by "the Fox."

This is crazy, gyroscopic pro-Hoffman spin creating a huge credibility gap. Not even the mothership (Drudge) is running with this. Is "the Fox" going rogue as Mrs. Phalin might say, out-Drudging Drudge?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 1, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I hear that the next GOP convention will require uniforms...hooded white robes.

Michael Steele will be given a role at the next convention as well. He will be allowed to open doors for the attendees, but has been told he cannot keep any tips he receives.

Posted by: leliorisen | November 1, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

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leliorisen, martin luther king was a republican, Lincoln was a republican and if
I remember correctly the democrats are the only party with a sitting KuKluxKlan member in the senate named robert c. byrd. Where do you get this stuff? The republicans have been trying to save the black people since the civil war. It's the democrats that dumb them down and keep them impoverished.

Posted by: charlietuna666 | November 1, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

We need a renewal of conservative, constitutional principles of freedom and the pursuit of liberty and happiness. If we Republicans are to govern in the future it will only be with the consent of the American people, realizing we will make a life long commitment to conservatism. The Washington lobbyists must be replaced with the voices of average voters who want their country back. There can be no substitute for victory in 2010 and 2012.

==

Dude you are all over the road. Pull over and sober up.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 1, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

"An end to debt expansion"

This is QUITE a JOKE coming from a Republican.

Tell us more about how Republicans reduce debt.

Posted by: frantaylor | November 1, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Is this blog getting linked from mothership Drudge again?

You guys who think that ideological purity is the way to electoral victory shouldn't have chewed so many paint chips when you were kids. You just can't figure out nobody else wants anything you guys have to sell.

And every time one of your neanderthals wins an election he screws things up so bad that people flock in the other direction. And if Hoffman wins he'll set records for sending a constituency leftward.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 1, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Is it not the case that all Republicans are Republicans In Name Only?

Is that why Conservatives and Independents are leaving the GOP in Droves?

Is the RINO effect why the GOP is imploding?

Posted by: walker1 | November 1, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

This is so funny! I'm pretty apolitical, but this topic caught my attention and I'm trying to figure it out.

So the local/state Republican party picked a long-time Republican politician to be their nominee. And the national Republican party and some Republicans thought it was OK. But someone figured out that she isn't really a Republican, but has just been calling herself a Republican all these years - a R.I.N.O (I still laugh when I read that!).

So I guess now the Republican party is pissed off that they were fooled by her all these years? Is that what is happening? Was she shaving points on votes or something? How did they figure out she was a double agent? Wiretapping? Truth serum?

Posted by: soxfan3 | November 1, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse


"cschotta1" = SUBhuman DROOLING KNUCKLE DRAGGING rightwing reactionary SH!T-F0R-BRAINS (isn't the terms "rightwing reactionary" and sh!t-f0r-brains" redundant?) reSCUMlican VERMIN.

Posted by: Archie_Leach | November 1, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

We Conservatives knew that this stupid beatch was probably just a plant from the Dems. She certainly sounds like one. We are NOT democrat lite and are currently ridding our party of you weasels. We welome anyone that believes in self-sufficency and personal freedom and the responsibility that goes along with it. If you are a professional victim then you need to stick with Pelosi. She will send you a check based upon your skin color. We Conservatives will not. I find Pelosis positions very insulting thinking that people of color 'need' Democrats to 'rescue' them from the evils of the world like they aren't capable enough to take care of themselves. How patronizing and insulting.

Posted by: Dionysis | November 1, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Who figured out this R.I.N.O. thing? Pretty funny - Republican In Name Only. Can anyone from her district comment on how would Dede S. different if she were a "real" Republican from that district? Hasn't she been a Republican politician for quite a while already?

I live in Massachusetts - I guess we must have D.I.N.O.s here so they can get elected to something!

Posted by: soxfan3 | November 1, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

During the 20th Century, Republicans occupied the Oval Office for 52 Years, Democrats occupied the Oval Office for 48 Years.

Thinking that your party can dominate forever ignores history.

Americans can and will change their opinion on a dime and those in power who spend their days honoring themselves will never see it coming.

Posted by: Washington13 | November 1, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Phillips: May I remind you that your ideologies are what LOST you the last election? Wake up and enter the 21st century, dude.

And on a side note: the "principles of freedom and the pursuit of liberty and happiness" do NOT include dictating who people can marry and what women can do with their own bodies. You contradict yourself and...

You are delusional.

Posted by: mavisdarling | November 1, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Is this a sign that the GOP is imploding?

Posted by: walker1 | November 1, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

With a Declining 20% do you think the republican party is now just those who can be fooled all the time?

Do any of you realy think independents will be fooled by the NeoConMen again?

With the America hating Limbaugh sycophants now deciding the Republican party candidates and excluding conservatives from running, do you think the GOP has already lost its conservative base?

Posted by: walker1 | November 1, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm amused by all you folks saying "good riddance" to anyone who isn't a far right wing-nut. Good luck to your shrinking party if all you can muster is the "base".

The election in question isn't going to spell doom for Democrats nationwide, so dream on. Win a battle, lose the war!

People will start leaving the Republican party in droves now... because MOST people aren't far-right conservatives any more than they are far-left liberals. If Republicans keep alienating people, they will go down the drain at an even faster rate than they were before.

Posted by: mavisdarling | November 1, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse


ONLY CONSERVATIVES CAN INSURE A REPUBLICAN VICTORY FOR AMERICA

Now we know beyond a shadow of doubt, Scozzafava was not a conservative Republican. Pro abortion, pro gay marriage, pro taxation, pro union open voting, pro increase in taxes and now one can add to her portfolio pro democrat Owens endorsement.

I remain amazed that several Republicans like Newt Gingrich supported Scozzafava until the very end. Rush Limbaugh was totally correct on his analysis of Scozzafava and her RINO label. He is also correct when he repeats on numerous occasions that for the Republicans to win they must abandon this moderate and bipartisan nonsense. We face a democrat, liberal, take no prisoners strategy. It's time we proclaim our conservatism boldly and openly without apology or equivocation. Let us proudly defend,

A strong national defense,
An end to debt expansion and increased taxes.
A strong pro life and defense of traditional marriage act,
Continued proclamation of American freedom and individualism,
An effort to enforce the criminal laws already enacted,
An all out effort to promote the private sector and removal of unnecessary government regulations,
Greater promotion of individual freedom and small business entrepreneurship,
Promotion of a job creation and restoration program which minimizes corporate taxes and government controls,
Elimination of deceptive tax increases disguised as cap and trade legislation,
Elimination of unnecessary health reform proposals which can add trillions to the national debt long term,
The elimination of unconstitutional czars,
Elimination of illegal immigration and restoration of our borders,
Increased support for our military establishment and forces, and victory in military conflicts,
Renewed pride and support for the U.S. at home and abroad,

We need a renewal of conservative, constitutional principles of freedom and the pursuit of liberty and happiness. If we Republicans are to govern in the future it will only be with the consent of the American people, realizing we will make a life long commitment to conservatism. The Washington lobbyists must be replaced with the voices of average voters who want their country back. There can be no substitute for victory in 2010 and 2012.

Dr. Phillips

Posted by: ctw46 | November 1, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Scozzafava has now endorsed the Democrat shows that, for Republicans, Hoffman was the right choice after all.

Posted by: suesue2 | November 1, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

It's good to see that there are still some "Real" Republicans left in the party, who refuse to be slapped around and bullied into Right-Wing Extremism.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | November 1, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

The banksters are so far up Democrat congressman Mel Watt's butt is he should be a Bank of America ATM machine.

Mel Watt - traitor to the country

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=atc2o1ijLRno

Posted by: grunk | November 1, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

The Conservative movement is completely delusional. Everyone else sees what they can't: that Obama is no radical. Radical is what the Far Right has become. Calling Obama a socialist or communist, it is the conservative leadership (Palin/Beck/Linbaugh) who are resorting to Stalinism in weeding out moderate Republicans. Specter, Scozzafava, Snowe - they're not traitors. They're running from conservative radicalism.

Posted by: muslit | November 1, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

The banksters are so far up Democrat congressman Mel Watt's butt is he should be a Bank of America ATM machine.

Mel Watt - traitor to the country

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=atc2o1ijLRno

Posted by: grunk | November 1, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

All this does is prove the point made by Palin, Beck, Limbaugh and others. She was nothing more than a RINO from the start. I hope the voters in this district are smart enough to see this and vote for Hoffman.

Posted by: tmonahan1 | November 1, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

If people continue to be deceived by the conservative/republicans' lies that scare them into stupidity, we're not going to be a democracy or republic, we're going to be an idiocracy. Long live the flat earth society!

Posted by: lip111 | November 1, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

walker1 ~ 20%?

The numbers are far, far higher these days ~ in fact those claiming Conservative credentials are a majority.

The Democrats are down around 13% (if you count Pelosi's personal popularity as the sina qua non of Democrat adherence).

Good grief ~ you guys are sinking like a ship full of rocks in a storm in the North Sea in winter.

Actually, Dem counts are now so low that we've changed our target to a "small" island in Northern Canada as a place where we can ship you'all when we take back our America.

This will no doubt disturb the folks who visit Baffin Island once a year, but who cares ~ they don't even vote here.

They were so looking for company!

Posted by: muawiyah | November 1, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

A party divided is weak. Posts here that say that all of Scozzafava's votes will go to Hoffman are mistaken. Quite the contrary, this can only be good news for the Democrats. If the National Republican Congressional Committee is now calling Hoffman the "candidate best positioned and suited to protect Fort Drum and continue the legacy of John McHugh", last week Palin/Beck Inc. were calling McHugh a traitor because of his appointment by Obama as Secretary of the Army. The GOP can't have it both ways.

Posted by: muslit | November 1, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Scozzafava is a RINO weasel in the fine tradition of Arlen Spector. She's a liberal Democrat, fifth columnist pure and simple. Good riddance!

Republicans must rid themselves of liberal, socialistic types. The Democrat party is the place for them. America needs real CHOICE.

Republicans mostly win when they have solid, conservative values and they lose when they nominate used up RINOs like McCain and Dole.

The Barack H. Obama train wreck will assure a Republican comeback very soon. This is the start.

Republicans should be America's CONSERVATIVE party. We don't need two socialist parties.

Posted by: battleground51 | November 1, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Talk about a turncoat! Scuzzy is worse than just a poor sport; she's proven that she's not a moderate at all as some try to erroneously postulate. How come the media labels a republican that supports gay marriage and abortion a "moderate" and those who don't far rightists? Disingenuous at best and inaccurate at the very least.

Posted by: gjdagis | November 1, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

The neo-cons fail to admit they love communism. And only use the word as a sarcasm.

The neo-cons send American jobs off to Communist nations by the millions. They send jobs off to other socialst nations by the millions.

They squandered money by the debt load...of which they got from Communist China.

Neo-conism is communism.

Posted by: Maddogg | November 1, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I'll post it in shorthand:

PPP POLL: HOFFMAN +15 over Owens even after Scozzafava endorsement

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/

Prediction from PPP Pollster: HOFFMAN WINS EASILY

http://twitter.com/ppppolls

Proof that PPP is run by Democrats, Conservatives mock them:

http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/01/ppps-tom-jensen-has-a-problem/

TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.

EVERYONE ENJOY THE RIDE THROUGH TUESDAY.

TRY NOT TO HATE EACH OTHER TOO MUCH.

Posted by: Washington13 | November 1, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS VOTE DEMOCRAT!

Posted by: cschotta1 | November 1, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse
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Carter, please.

Get over yourself. We live in Charlottesville, majority Democratic. Don't you realize most of the people you deal with on a daily basis are Democrats?

Partisan hatred may be your satisfying online pass-time, but don't you think it's a little juvenile?

- A Friend

Posted by: Akger117 | November 1, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

America first, sounds good to me. Allegiance and adherence the US Consititution for an official holding office in the US, what a concept! Will it ever take hold, again?

Posted by: PerseMagus | November 1, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Let's review the futile causes with which hard-line Republicans ally themselves unto death:

They demand that abortion be illegal. Never happen.

They demand that the debt accumulated under thirty years of conservative leadership be ignored. Tell it to China and Japan.

They demand American supremacy in the world. Ah, the good old days.

They demand unlimited oil. Fifty years too late.

They demand no taxes. I want free Medicare, free police, free schools, free light and sewers...gimme gimme gimme.

They demand individual liberty for everyone as long as everyone behaves exactly as they do. Sorry kids, it's not 1952 anymore.

They demand to win elections by throwing out the candidates who could lead them. Iceberg ahead, Captain.

Posted by: dfc102 | November 1, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

If Scozzafava felt that the Democrat was the better candidate, why not simply stay in the race? Her voters are more likely to vote for Hoffman than Owens.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 1, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

And the marxist liberals just devour everyone!
Posted by: annlawler26 | November 1, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

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maggot said: Speaking of piranas...
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dear maggot, You do know the reason why maggots are used sometimes in health care right?!!

Posted by: annlawler26 | November 1, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Its good to see the GOP got rid of this bad apple - another Arlen Sepcter. Its laughable she endorsed the Democrat, who is still going to lose. All her endorsement did was verify that she was not fit to be a Republican - a socialist in sheep's clothing.

Posted by: Realist20 | November 1, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

The PPP Pollster leans Democrat.

Even Redstate.com, a conservative website, mocked them today on another poll:

http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/01/ppps-tom-jensen-has-a-problem/

So, to disregard a Democrat finding that Hoffman is leading by +15 even after Scozzafava withdraws is foolish.

This poll should be looked at and discussed if you care about actual polling data.

Does that help?

Posted by: Washington13 | November 1, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

WOW...lots of MORONS commenting here who are locked into the LEFT/RIGHT PARADIGM!! It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the idiot who dropped out was a typical NEOCON perfectly aligned with the Democrats with BOTH SIDES answering to the Federal Reserve and the Corporate Elites!!

Let's review:
1. BOTH parties backed Bush on un-Constitutional Iraq/Afghan wars!
2. BOTH parties backed Bush on un-Constitutional Patriot Act endorsing illegal wiretaps and surveillance!
3. BOTH parties parties backed Bush on the un-Constitutional Military Commissions Act throwing out Habeus Corpus rights for Americans!
4. BOTH parties backed the un-Constitutional 'bankster bailouts' robbing the American people of trillion$!
5. BOTH parties backed the un-Constitutional stimulus!

The litmus test for ANY candidate for office should be their allegiance and adherence to the U.S. Constitution!! Obviously, BOTH parties fail miserably in this regard and routinely violate their Oath to the Constitution!! Doug Hoffman is a "Constitutional" candidate which goes WITH the American people and AGAINST BOTH parties and their CORPORATE ELITE MASTERS!!

Posted by: dan_kempf | November 1, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Political-Mole: a Republican candidate who endorses the Democrat. Look for her officially switching parties next.

Posted by: PerseMagus | November 1, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

"Does anyone care about the Polling data from PPP that shows Hoffman +15 over Owens?

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Posted by: Washington13 | November 1, 2009 5:34 PM"
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Short answer: No.
Long answer: No.

Is that one of those Drudge or Rasmussen polls?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 1, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone care about the Polling data from PPP that shows Hoffman +15 over Owens?

or

Are you folks too busy trying to see who can out-hate each other to get into a discussion on some tangible data regarding this race?

I find it interesting that this PPP pollster says Hoffman will win easily even after the Republican endorses the Democrat.

Anyone?

Posted by: Washington13 | November 1, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

WOW! Scozzafava has some kind of moxie. I wanna give her a big hug. Screw the conservatives.

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | November 1, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

she like bloomberg took on the Republican label when they were really dems at heart...
and still are...
remember it was the dem moderates letting the left run wild that created the mess we are in...
Liberate America...
vote out the dems...

Posted by: DwightCollins | November 1, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats conquered the Republicans....and now the Republicans are dividing.

Posted by: Emmetrope
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If that was the case, the Messiah wouldn't be in New Jersey and Virginia giving what he only knows how to do-and that is give a speech!

FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS VOTE DEMOCRAT!

Posted by: cschotta1 | November 1, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

she like bloomberg took on the Republican label when they were really dems at heart...
and still are...
remember it was the dem moderates letting the left run wild that created the mess we are in...
Liberate America...
vote out the dems...

Posted by: DwightCollins | November 1, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

she like bloomberg took on the Rapublican label when they were really dems at heart...
and still are...
remember it was the dem moderates letting the left run wild that created the mess we are in...
Liberate America...
vote out the dems...

Posted by: DwightCollins | November 1, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

She's a better Dem than many Dems (read: "Joe Lieberman.")

Speaking of Lieberman:

Senator, before your party strips you of your Homeland Security Committee chairmanship, how about doing something about this -- confirmed by a head of state of a sovereign nation?

GOV'T TORTURES ME WITH SILENT MICROWAVE WEAPONS, SAYS OUSTED HONDURAS PREZ

• Deposed Honduras President Manuel Zaleya confirms the essence what unjustly targeted citizens worldwide -- including this journalist -- have been reporting for years...

...MILITARY, SECRET SERVICES, AND INTEL AGENCIES of many nations, including the U.S., silently assault and torture "targeted individuals," including those regarded as "dissenters" or slandered as undesirables, with debilitating, health-degrading, "slow-kill" electromagnetic microwave and laser radiation weapons systems -- reported to include a nationwide installation disguised as cell towers.

FOR THE REST OF THE STORY:

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-tortures-me-silent-microwave-weapons-ousted-s-prez

OR (if link is corrupted): http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "Gov't Tortures" and "Gestapo USA."

Posted by: scrivener50 | November 1, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I hear that the next GOP convention will require uniforms...hooded white robes.

Michael Steele will be given a role at the next convention as well. He will be allowed to open doors for the attendees, but has been told he cannot keep any tips he receives.

Posted by: leliorisen | November 1, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I hear that the next GOP convention will require uniforms...hooded white robes.

Michael Steele will be given a role at the next convention as well. He will be allowed to open doors for the attendees, but has been told he cannot keep any tips he receives.

Posted by: leliorisen | November 1, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats conquered the Republicans....and now the Republicans are dividing.

Posted by: Emmetrope | November 1, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Going from the party of the people to the party of the appeasers!

Can't spell LIBERALISM without L.I.E.S.

Posted by: cschotta1 | November 1, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse
Do you see EVIL in Evangelical?

Posted by: Emmetrope | November 1, 2009 5:16 PM
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Typical POS liberal, either it's hatred for those with beliefs or hatred for the military!

LIBERALISM....THE GUTLESS CHOICE!

Posted by: cschotta1 | November 1, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse


Going from the party of the people to the party of the appeasers!

Can't spell LIBERALISM without L.I.E.S.

Posted by: cschotta1 | November 1, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

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Can't spell CONSERVATISM without C.O.N. - how's that for a stupid response to a stupid posting!!

Posted by: maggots | November 1, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

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Care to try again?

IMAGINE....NO LIBERALS!!

Posted by: cschotta1 | November 1, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

FYI

PPP Polling has been polling NY-23 all weekend. They plan to release results tonight.

Based on their data both before Scozzafava's withdrawal, after her withdrawal and even after her endorsement of Owens,

"MORE NY-23 MESS"

MAN NY-23 IS REALLY A MESS.

HERE ARE SOME INTERESTING FACTS FROM OUR UNWEIGHTED NUMBERS SO FAR:

IN A THREE WAY CONTEST DOUG HOFFMAN LEADS BILL OWENS BY 19 POINTS.

IN A TWO WAY CONTEST HOFFMAN LEADS OWENS BY 15 POINTS.

SO THE DEDE SCOZZAFAVA WITHDRAWAL AND ENDORSEMENT WILL PROBABLY TIGHTEN THE RACE SOME BUT NOT NEARLY ENOUGH.

-58% OF REPUBLICANS THINK THAT SCOZZAFAVA'S A LIBERAL AND THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY BEFORE HER ENDORSEMENT TODAY.

-THE RUSH LIMBAUGH EFFECT- HOFFMAN HAS A 79 POINT LEAD WITH RUSH LISTENERS WHILE OWENS HAS A 6 POINT LEAD WITH PEOPLE WHO DON'T LISTEN TO THE SHOW.

I AM GOING TO SWAP IN A THIRD VERSION OF OUR HORSE RACE QUESTION FOR REMAINING INTERVIEWS TODAY NOTHING THAT SCOZZAFAVA HAS SUSPENDED HER CAMPAIGN AND ENDORSED OWENS. THE HOFFMAN LEAD IS WIDE ENOUGH THAT I FEEL COMFORTABLE RELEASING NUMBERS LATER THIS EVENING ALTHOUGH THERE WILL CERTAINLY BE A LOT OF CAVEATS- AND WE WILL CERTAINLY RELEASE TABS BY WHEN PEOPLE WERE INTERVIEWED.

POSTED BY TOM JENSEN AT 3:42 PM

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/

They also tweeted:

Still expect Hoffman to win easily

http://twitter.com/ppppolls

Posted by: Washington13 | November 1, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

""The GOP has allowed itself to devolve into a haters' feeding frenzy. The pirhana devour their own. The rest of us opt out.""
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dear jimsteinberg1,
And the marxist liberals just devour everyone!

Posted by: annlawler26 | November 1, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Be one Dem or a Rep the center is not the place to be. The country cannot move ahead if one is stuck in the middle. It is the worst possible place to be.

Progress can only come from the left or the right. And if we are to get the economy going again we need one or the other. The middle is a sure loser for the American citizen.

Posted by: Maddogg | November 1, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

""The GOP has allowed itself to devolve into a haters' feeding frenzy. The pirhana devour their own. The rest of us opt out.""
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dear jimsteinberg1,
And the marxist liberals just devour everyone!

Posted by: annlawler26 | November 1, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

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Speaking of piranas...

Posted by: maggots | November 1, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

A RINO bags the race and throws her endorsement to the Dem -- what is so surprising here? This is small ball but it is always entertaining to read posts from those who see bush-hitler-cheney-limbaugh-scooter-bachman-foxnews...have I left out any of the conspirators? Time to move along kids...nothing here.

Posted by: boomer13 | November 1, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

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Actually, you are listing ideologues and incompetents along with conspirators - a trifecta!

Posted by: maggots | November 1, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

""The GOP has allowed itself to devolve into a haters' feeding frenzy. The pirhana devour their own. The rest of us opt out.""
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dear jimsteinberg1,
And the marxist liberals just devour everyone!

Posted by: annlawler26 | November 1, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Word on the street has it that Scozzafava was having sex with Arlen Specter without the benefit of appropriate protection. Now look what happened. Kids, let this be a lesson to you.

Posted by: ddnfla | November 1, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Going from the party of the people to the party of the appeasers!

Can't spell LIBERALISM without L.I.E.S.

Posted by: cschotta1 | November 1, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

#####################################

Can't spell CONSERVATISM without C.O.N. - how's that for a stupid response to a stupid posting!!

Posted by: maggots | November 1, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Going from the party of the people to the party of the appeasers!

Can't spell LIBERALISM without L.I.E.S.

Posted by: cschotta1 | November 1, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse
Do you see EVIL in Evangelical?

Posted by: Emmetrope | November 1, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

A RINO bags the race and throws her endorsement to the Dem -- what is so surprising here? This is small ball but it is always entertaining to read posts from those who see bush-hitler-cheney-limbaugh-scooter-bachman-foxnews...have I left out any of the conspirators? Time to move along kids...nothing here.

Posted by: boomer13 | November 1, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Moderates are clearly worried.
FACT: polling in Pennsylvania and Virginia shows significant shifts of moderates and independents away from Obama and his "progressive" policies.
SPIN: "there is no longer room under the reagan tent."
It's the economy, stupid.

Posted by: tacheronb | November 1, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Palin was 1000% spot on. Scozzafava is a democrat that was running for office in Republican's clothing as evident by her now support of the liberal candidate.

Posted by: annlawler26 | November 1, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

How pathetic - not that she switched, but that so many on the far right (1) don't even know she's a "she" not a "he" judging by the postings here and (2) don't even know that she has voted to the RIGHT of some of their other Repub congressmen and (3) the Dem is a Blue Dog Dem, which means he's not so far left that Independents won't prefer him to a right-wing raving lunatic who isn't even from the district and whose membership in the Armed Services Committee means nothing when the Repubs are the Minority Party and have no power. Oh, add one more thing the neo-cons are clueless about (4) Hoffman's donation are not even from NY, not from NY state and certainly not from the district he doesn't live in! Sheesh.

Posted by: VCubed | November 1, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

While neo-con right wingers lead to disaster, they may have an ooportunity in the short run.

The Dems have taken health care and made it meaningless. They must move closer to the single-payer system. They are moving further away, handing the health insurance companies a boom.

Unless the Dems come up with a btter health care plan they may well be doomed in the coming elections. Even Obama is wary of the current proposals and has set the implementation date well after the 2012 election. WOW!!

Posted by: Maddogg | November 1, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Going from the party of the people to the party of the appeasers!

Can't spell LIBERALISM without L.I.E.S.

Posted by: cschotta1 | November 1, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse


Hallelujah! A true moderate Republican - sick of the rabid rightwing extremists.

Posted by: bamccampbell | November 1, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic party clearly has a similar problem - the left wing is completely out of step with the moderates. The blue dogs make the most sense in this political environment.


The real problem for the democrats is that the left wing, because the democrats have majorities in Congress, the left wing clear believes that the entire Democratic Party endorses its radical ideas.


This simply is not the case - in health care and there is no majority to double everyone's electric bill so that some people can pretend they saved some polar bears.


We need a return of the Statement of another era.

Congress would have never gone so far off the deep end in decades past.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | November 1, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Yikes Is this the equivalent of the fat lady singing?

Posted by: 37thand0street | November 1, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

We were hoping for this, and this decision by Scozzafava is great. There was nowhere for her in the new Karl Rove/Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity/Ann Coulter Republican Party.
The GOP has allowed itself to devolve into a haters' feeding frenzy. The pirhana devour their own. The rest of us opt out.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | November 1, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Just goes to show she wasn't really a republican after all. Tuesday will be even more interesting than the Presidential election.

Posted by: 45upnorth | November 1, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

That whooshing sound I hear each day is our prosperity and individual liberties being flushed away by the Democrats. Save America's future & vote Republican in 2010, 2012.
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Your auditory hallucinations represent a cognitive dissonance of just why the conservatives were voted out in huge numbers.

Posted by: Emmetrope | November 1, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I dont see any difference between the Republican party of today and the Communist or Fascist Parties. They are all driven by ideology and therefore, any one who deviates in the least degree from the official party line is suspect. Ms. Scazofava represents a Republican Party which is American first and ideology second. God help this nation if these "Communist Republicans" take over the party to such an extent that the decent members of the party have no place at the table. The Republican party has sold its sole. I wonder what Abe Lincoln would have said.

Posted by: Hachem | November 1, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I dont see any difference between the Republican party of today and the Communist or Fascist Parties. They are all driven by ideology and therefore, any one who deviates in the least degree from the official party line is suspect. Ms. Scazofava represents a Republican Party which is American first and ideology second. God help this nation if these "Communist Republicans" take over the party to such an extent that the decent members of the party have no place at the table. The Republican party has sold its sole. I wonder what Abe Lincoln would have said.

Posted by: Hachem | November 1, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

well the conservatives were right - this biach was never a republican.

Posted by: infantry11b4faus | November 1, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The Scozzafmava endorsement actually may have sway with many of her voters. This endorsement combined with the fact that an overwhelming majority of her supporters in the most recent Siena U. poll released Friday approve President Obama indicates that many are ticket-splitters who typically vote Democratic for President but Republican at the local level and are unlikely to automatically vote for the Conservative Party. Many voters of this district are basically the opposite of Southern and Border state voters in places like West Virginia, Arkansas and Kentucky where the Democratic Party is still strong but who typically vote Democratic locally but Republican for President. Clearly the endorsement is helpful for Owens, though it is questionable whether it will be sufficient to assure him of victory.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | November 1, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm mad cause you wouldn't be my friend, so I'm going over there and become friends with that other guy so I can get him to beat you up for not being my friend.

Posted by: reginacoeli | November 1, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

That whooshing sound I hear each day is our prosperity and individual liberties being flushed away by the Democrats. Save America's future & vote Republican in 2010, 2012.

Posted by: g-man7 | November 1, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

There are still many decent, praiseworthy Republicans left in the party, BUT one does need to be pragmatic.

Although it's 'human' and understandable to veer towards 'purity' or 'core principles' after the setbacks the R.s have recently endured, a simple look at the country's demographics should tell the R.s that the era of Reagan/Bush I is as far in the past as the Hula Hoop and beehive coiffures. Wishin' [to turn the clock back] won't make it so!

The adults in the R. party should step in and show (and impose) the self-discipline of the 1960s-1990s, but add the inclusiveness that is the only way to begin the climb back to numerical power.

Current R. bigshots such as Michael Steele (no matter what colour he is) need to get with the programme and endorse ELECTABLE candidates.

H*ll, Hoffmann doesn't even live in NY-23--and they've been a safe R. district for over 100 years!

Posted by: sverigegrabb | November 1, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Didn't the RNC say that she was "gracious" when deciding to get out? Now her true colors are showing -- she was a liberal in GOP clothing.

Posted by: Darlene_Jr | November 1, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: demtse | November 1, 2009 3:40 PM
Its a good thing Scozzafava knows white supremacy when he sees it...


Oh great! Now who wants to vote for someone who just had a sex change operation!?


Posted by: jamespmarion | November 1, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Someone who knows this woman please tell us all what beliefs she has that lead her to belong to the Republican party.

Thanks.

Posted by: Curmudgeon10 | November 1, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse
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Sounds like you're still having concerns about women's suffrage.

Posted by: Emmetrope | November 1, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

The RNC is showing why its fundraising numbers are lagging. The RNC has no clue what its voters and base want and thus candidates are reeling in the dough whereas the RNC is starving for cash.

Scozzafava's endorsement in this race adds yet one more dynamic. If the partisan makeup of her support is accurate then Owens is in trouble as Hoffman can lose more of self-identified Republicans then Owens can of Democrats.

I suspect that Scozzafava will, even with her dropping out and endorsment of Hoffman get 5 to 10% of the vote. In the Siena poll her backers really dislike BOTH Hoffman and Owens. But again Hoffman has a huge edge as Scozzafava's voters partisan ID is far more Republican then anything else, even if they are liberal to moderate Republicans. Then we get to the turnout factor that again favors Hoffman. Hoffman may in fact in the long run be to conservative for the district but his candidacy is truly being driven by the grassroots and volunteers and a sense of sending a message to the country. In most special elections turnout is low and nothing drives voters out like sending a message to DC or their party establishment.

Posted by: iacoboni04 | November 1, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

TooMuchSoccer wrote: "Scuzzafava is a total loser who could not stand the heat of a campaign. Will she return all the money the GOP sent her? She played them like chumps.
Good riddance to her and her ilk."

I totally agree! She is a big fat loser, just like Sarah Palin, who couldn't stand the heat and responsibility of being governor. Good riddance to all of this spineless quitters!!!!

Posted by: marecek | November 1, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Someone who knows this woman please tell us all what beliefs she has that lead her to belong to the Republican party.

Thanks.

Posted by: Curmudgeon10 | November 1, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

In a fair primary election, Ms Scozzafava beat Mr. Hoffman.

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You clown, there was no primary. Scozzafava was selected in a backroom process by fewer than a dozen party elders without a real regard for the desires of the district voters. THAT'S why the people of NY-23 rebelled--and why Hoffman will win on Tuesday.

Posted by: nomilk | November 1, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

gagalbert wrote: "Anyone who now thinks that Republicans should have voted for Scozzafava have been outed as Democrat supporters. Clearly, this woman has never been a proponent of low taxes, strong defense, liberty and justice. Hoffman will win this by at least 7%. I guarantee it."

Maybe someone should gag albert. What a prince is he. My God, using the term, "outed", as if moderate Republicans are some sort of deviants or perverts. Also the smug assumption that only Republicans are for strong defense, liberty and justice. This fool is a member of the Limbaugh zombie crowd - everyone but hard core, far right conservatives hate America, want to weaken our defenses so that we will some be taken over by Muslim extremists, and hate liberty and justice.

WHERE DID THESE LOONIES COME FROM? WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO OUR COUNTRY?

Posted by: marecek | November 1, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Scuzzafava is a total loser who could not stand the heat of a campaign. Will she return all the money the GOP sent her? She played them like chumps.

Good riddance to her and her ilk.

Posted by: TooMuchSoccer | November 1, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

As for the Republicans in 2010, when unemployment goes over 10%, it won't matter if GOPer in the country has a third-party challenger, the Dems are still gonna get crushed.

Posted by: Bob65 | November 1, 2009 4:00 PM
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...by the million or so birthers, tenthers, teabaggers, deathers, Clown Hall thugs, secessionists, and supremacists? Not a chance. Look, with over 700 channels on cable, there's no excuse for watching Faux News all day. Wake up.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 1, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

surprise!!! she is a r.i.n.o. republican in name only. when your endorsed by the daily kos there's something wrong.

Posted by: miboard157 | November 1, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

To all those on the left who see this as bad for the GOP, you're misreading what's happening here. Dede is being rejected by the people to whom the Republicans are supposed to represent, they endorsed her as a Rino, and the people said NO, we want someone who represets what we believe in. It's a wake up call to the Republicans that putting forth people who don't represent conservative principles will not work. It means clearly defining the difference between being a Democrat and a Republican, not trying to be like the Democrats. That is how to win.

Posted by: JGates1 | November 1, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

With moderates and real concervatives leaving the Republican party in droves; has the GOP got any future?

Posted by: walker1 | November 1, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Good on Scozzofava who was abandoned by her own party for the most petty, partisan and politically blind reasons.

Posted by: harper-d | November 1, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

She should have stayed in until the end, but since she's dropped out, at least she's displayed the courage to pick the only intelligent choice for NY's 23rd.

Posted by: laSerenissima2003 | November 1, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Palin says she's the leader of the Republican party (laffs) who's she supporting ? The kiss of death. The Republican party doesn't have a clue. The party of Nixon & Bush has sunk to new depths.

Posted by: wasaUFO | November 1, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

It is hilarious to have the very same people calling Joe Lieberman and the Blue Dogs traitors come on here and talk about what terrible strategy this is for the Republican Party.

As for the Republicans in 2010, when unemployment goes over 10%, it won't matter if GOPer in the country has a third-party challenger, the Dems are still gonna get crushed.

Posted by: Bob65 | November 1, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Good for Dede! Who can blame her?? We are supposed to be a democracy and the disgraceful way the ConserRepubs treat their own is - or should be - and eye opener to all people of every party. They in effect tossed her out of the party for having an independent mind while staying loyal to her party affiliation. Not good enuf for the some? Out she goes. New York's 23rd should follow her lead!

Posted by: jbleenyc | November 1, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

When a party celebrates the expulsion of heretics rather than the inclusion of converts then that party is in trouble. These people engage in the ritual chanting of Reagan's name to justify the expulsion of heretics. Let us remember that Reagan did not expel heretics, he worked with the Democrats and he signed significant agreements with the Evil Empire. As I understand it, NY-23 is a pretty moderate district and Owens is much closer to where McHugh was, than is Hoffman. The Loony Right already violated Reagan's Eleventh Commandment by demonizing Scozzafava so I see no reason for her to not endorse Owens.

Posted by: viking54 | November 1, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Is it being said that the far right wants people to vote ideology not effective representation?

Posted by: Emmetrope | November 1, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me while I laugh my arse off at the incompetence and short-sightedness of the GOP. I can't recall ever seeing a national party at such a low ebb of strategy or intelligence. Bye bye, Rethugs!

Posted by: cythera45 | November 1, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

'We, the God fearing faithful law and order Conservative Moral Majority told you, this waman was an imposter, a communist loving, abortion seeking Liberal pretending to be a "modern Republican"!' //// Nothing is more fear inducing than those who scream hate in the name of God. Birther or Bircher, these fanatics are like the un-dead. Just when you think they are gone, poof, they're back.

Posted by: Keesvan | November 1, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

those Blue dog democrats better be paying close attention. There is no room in the Republican party for you and it might not be such a good idea to piss of the Democratic base of the democratic party.

Posted by: rds7481 | November 1, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a typical bitter nasty woman. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Posted by: tarded2much | November 1, 2009 3:30 PM |
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Written like a true conservative of the 21st century.

Posted by: Emmetrope | November 1, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Her endorsement is proof that she was a LIBERAL Republican; not a moderate and that she doesn't stand for any Republican principles. It's okay for their to be variations on social views, but Republicans needs to all support fiscal conservatism. That is how we will win in 2010 (oh and all the Dems on here, I predict you guys will lost big in 2010). The media may think that bankrupting the country is a great idea but most people don't. Bye-bye Speaker Pelosi. Hopefully she will be crying is 2010 (although with how jacked up her face is, I am not sure she can show emotion).

Posted by: columbiaheights | November 1, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

So, the grassroots were correct all along: Dede is just a RINO. Thank goodness the GOP voters in the NY-23 didn't just sit on their hands and let the inmates run the asylum.

Posted by: WashingtonDame | November 1, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Well, this should come as no surprise. The GOP are slitting their collective throats. What a bunch of idiots! When are they going to wake up and realize that they will NEVER attain a majority, neither in either house of Congress nor for the Presidency, to support their new Taliban approach? They are simply unbelievable. What is so astonishing is that Scozzafava could possibly have won the race if the GOP had not pulled the rug out from under her. Do they really expect to gain a majority by undermining the candidate picked by the GOP in the primaries?

Posted by: marecek | November 1, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who now thinks that Republicans should have voted for Scozzafava have been outed as Democrat supporters. Clearly, this woman has never been a proponent of low taxes, strong defense, liberty and justice. Hoffman will win this by at least 7%. I guarantee it

Posted by: gagalbert | November 1, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

Did Dede send a back-at-ya message to BroderWorld, Fox News, and "the Fox" (formerly the Fix) or what?

Wasn't the "conventional wisdom" in the MSM that Dede's pulling out would seal the deal for extremist Hoffman--case closed? BTW, has Hoffman moved into the district he seeks to represent yet? Just askin'.
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In a statement released this afternoon, [Dede] called Owens ''an independent voice devoted to doing what is right for New York.''

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=860406

Guess the "GOP comeback" will have to wait awhile.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 1, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Even without Ms Scozzafava's endorsement, there is a good chance many of the Republican voters in NY23 might vote for the democrat out of spite. They might feel the national heavies shouldn't tell them who they should vote for. In a fair primary election, Ms Scozzafava beat Mr. Hoffman. While the "conservatives" won this battle, they might end up losing the war.

Posted by: Repub | November 1, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

All politics is local, and a Democratic congressman in a Democratic administration will bring home more bacon than one from the opposite party whose strategy for governing consists of throwing bombs and spreading hatred. What do Sarah Palin and Flip Gingrich care about the people in the north country? It's a hard life up there, and these rugged individualists might just resent being used and taken for granted.

Posted by: cdm99 | November 1, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse


Its a good thing Scozzafava knows white supremacy when he sees it...

Posted by: demtse | November 1, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

Crikey! This is race is turning out to have more twists than the entire Palin saga combined! Fascinating! Don't you just ADORE politics??? (a ridiculous and rhetorical ques. in this context, obviously).

After the Watertown newspaper endorsement of Owens earlier and now with Scozzafava's endorsement of Owens, one wonders what the R. Establishment types who scrambled madly to clamber aboard the Hoffmann bandwagon yesterday must be thinking. Oh, to be one of the numerous flies on the wall!

The only thing that could possibly top this would be if Deeds won a come from (very far) behind victory on Tues!

BTW., I saw a rare photo of Hoffmann smiling this morning. Almost lost me vittles (unless he's still in Halloween drag as Dracula)! Haven't they got any dentists in Lake Placid or wherever outside of NY-23 Hoffmann actually lives?

Posted by: sverigegrabb | November 1, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Why is the GOP bent on this electoraly suicidal lurch to the extreme right?

With the America hating Limbaugh sycophants now in power can the GOP ever become a nationaly electable party?

As the GOP has lurched to the right and become less and less conservative is that why it has turned into a declining 20% rump?

Posted by: walker1 | November 1, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

'We, the God fearing faithful law and order Conservative Moral Majority told you, this waman was an imposter, a communist loving, abortion seeking Liberal pretending to be a "modern Republican"!'
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Really? Hmmm. If she is such an 'abortion seeking liberal', too bad she was not caring your sorry seed.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | November 1, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Screw the RNC and the way they funnel money to Quislings. We're sending our money, directly to the candidates.

That's the name of this tune!!!

Go Doug Hoffman

Go Bob McDonnell

Go Chris Christie

Go Joe Wilson.

King Obimbo, we ain't waiting for you to call us out, were calling you out, at the ballot box.

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | November 1, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Is the GOP now just a fringe party?

Can independents ever hope to have a voice in the GOP when it has now started excluding conservatives from running?

Is the decling 20% signs of a deeper rot in the Republican party?

Posted by: walker1 | November 1, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

It might be tempting to view Scozzafava's endorsement of the Dem candidate, Owens, as mere sour grapes. But the fact that Conservative Party candidate Hoffman showed little familiarity with the issues (when interviewed by local NY 23 newspaper, which has since switched its endorsement to the Democrat, Owens) should give NY 23 voters pause. Hoffman looks like a hard-right candidate of national dead-ender GOPers, not responsive to local issues. The national GOP is looking more and more like Bircher-Birther crazies.

Posted by: VirginiaMom | November 1, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a typical bitter nasty woman. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Posted by: tarded2much | November 1, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

With Conservatives being excluded from running in the GOP by extremists and America hating Limbaugh sycophants, can conservatives be once more fooled into voting for a NeoConMan?

With the GOP no longer the voice of conservatives, what hope do conservatives have for a real concervative candidate?

With only the 20% rump identifying them selves as Republican, has the Democratic Party become the true home of real conservative voters?

Posted by: walker1 | November 1, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Any doubt about the way Scozzafava would have voted in the House has now been resolved. Good riddance.

Posted by: Rob_ | November 1, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

We, the God fearing faithful law and order Conservative Moral Majority told you, this waman was an imposter, a communist loving, abortion seeking Liberal pretending to be a "modern Republican"!

Now, she has shown her true colors! She's a Liberal Democrat!

Posted by: HerLao | November 1, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"Still, the race is Hoffman's to lose in this very conservative district."

Except that the district went for Obama 52-48? That does not qualify as very conservative under any circumstances. Delusion!

Posted by: amyuw05 | November 1, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

[I need an emoticon that looks like someone opening and closing his mouth, at a loss for words]

While the establishment Republicans try to find a way to fawn over Hoffman, Scozzafava decides that SHE intends to support Owens.So just what does THAT mean?

Every trend in this transitional period seems to scream for a new Party, and there are more and more Republicans being ejected from the Party who might serve as a nucleus around which such a Party could form.

Just what will it finally take to get the avalanche started. The instability is there. The lack of cohesion between the masses on top and the base clinging to the mountain, the storms and disturbances, all are present.

Maybe when the spurned Republicans hard by Lake Champlain laugh heartily at the Conservatives and go off and vote for Scozzafava or Owens it will be just enough to sever the last vestiges of cohesion, and the avalanche will begin.

Watching history is so much fun when you are in a position to recognize it before it is made.

Posted by: ceflynline | November 1, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow, didn't see that coming.

The local daily also switches its endorsement to the Democrat.

Still, the race is Hoffman's to lose in this very conservative district.

Posted by: nodebris | November 1, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

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