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Pelosi Fuels Fire on Interrogations

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's (Calif.) assertion at a press conference this morning that the Bush administration and the Central Intelligence Agency misled her and the Congress regarding the treatment of suspected terrorists adds further fuel to the fire on an issue that has been on a low boil for weeks.

Asked whether she was accusing the CIA of lying to her during a 2002 briefing on the use of so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques," Pelosi said: "Yes, misleading the Congress of the United States, misleading the Congress of the United States. I am."

She went on to call on the CIA to release the details of briefings they provided to Congress and for the creation of a truth commission to "determine how intelligence was misused and how controversial and possibly illegal activities like torture were authorized within the executive branch."

Pelosi's press conference comes amid a series of allegations from Republicans -- inside and outside of Congress -- that she knew far more about the treatment of detainees in the early part of the decade than she initially let on.

"The Speaker has had way too many stories on this issue," said House Minority Leader John Boehner (Ohio) at a press conference moments ago. He added that he has "not one doubt" that interrogations of detainees were conducted "within the law" and that he was opposed to the idea of a truth commission.

As the Post's Paul Kane notes, Pelosi acknowledged publicly for the first time today that she was aware that detainees were being waterboarded as long ago as 2003 when a member of her staff was part of a briefing in February of that year in which it was revealed that waterboarding was ongoing.

Pelosi's press conference has both short term and long term political impact.

In the short term, it snuffs out President Obama's preferred message of the day -- pushed at a scheduled town hall today in New Mexico -- regarding credit card reform. Obama and/or White House press secretary Robert Gibbs are certain to face questions about Pelosi's remarks whenever reporters are given access to them today.

Pelosi's comments -- and the firestorm they will almost certainly set off -- could speed up the timetable for an announcement of Obama's Supreme Court nominee, which has been speculated as coming either next week or shortly after Memorial Day. If the torture debate dominates the news for the next several days, the White House may want (or need) a way the change the subject and the announcement of a Supreme Court justice would almost certainly provide the necessary distraction.

The long-term political prognosis is less clear. The Obama administration has made no secret of the fact that they would prefer not to spend time looking back at what happened under President George W. Bush since it distracts from what they believe to be the important tasks at hand -- most notably turning around the economy.

And, it's hard to imagine that the White House is pleased with Pelosi's press conference today -- knowing that the allegations she has made further complicate an already sticky political entanglement, making it far more difficult for the issue to be dismissed out of a desire to look forward rather than backward.

Pelosi's comments are also -- almost certainly -- not her last words on this subject. As indicated by Boehner's comments, Republicans are going to continue to paint Pelosi as telling a series of conflicting stories about what she knew and when she knew it.

While Pelosi's press conference this morning was clearly intended to put to rest a process story that all politicians hate, it may well have the opposite effect -- raising more questions about her timeline and her past statements.

Make no mistake: Pelosi would not have held this sort of press conference unless she and her inner circle believed that she was losing altitude -- politically -- on the issue. But, her decision to do so could have wide-ranging political implications that will reach from Congress to the White House and back.

By Chris Cillizza  |  May 14, 2009; 1:01 PM ET
Categories:  House , White House  
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Drivel - Sorry I gave her the benefit of the doubt - Nice to sit back and watch the breakdown of this unmitigated spurious attack on the CIA. Ms Pelosi should act responsibly, resign or take her old timers medication.

Posted by: wordlift | May 20, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8. You used the word nomenclature in your response to me, you don't need my explanation of my point. You are just being an intellectual snob. I have read all of your posts here. Get over yourself.

As for Nancy Pelosi. If she would stop and think for a moment she might realize that her commentary about the CIA was nothing more than political grandstanding and self-serving. But she won't because to her, it is all about Nancy. I cannot see where it helps Obamas cause at all.

Posted by: teadrinker | May 15, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi was Magnificent. She took the whole story and threw it right back where it belongs: with the Bush/Cheney White House, the dark corners of the CIA, and their supporters in the Torture Party, the Republicans.

If the poor GOP and CIA think this fight is going to end well for them, just you wait, heh, heh, heh. You have now guaranteed a big and thorough investigation of the entire torture and abuse system you created and the exposure once and for all of the kind of people you really are.

America will turn away in disgust when they learn what you did. And America will be a better nation and a safer one.

The CIA briefing memo is already fallign apart under scrutiny and the Press is finally turning back to the CIA and saying, wait a minute here, she has a very valid point. The memo is wrong, based on old recollections, and prove NOTHING.

Be careful what you wish for. Pelosi doesn't turn and she doesn't back down. And Dems back her to the hilt.

We are FINALLy going to get the investigation you Torturers deserve.

Posted by: TartanMcc | May 15, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else?

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Doesn't look like it, Jakey.

Looks like everyone's got your number.

Not to mention that to just about everyone but your fellow goopers, this is a settled issue. And even your fellow goopers only bring it up as a phoney contrast to killing hostage-takers on the high seas. Good luck stirring up support for pirates.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 15, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else?

Posted by: JakeD | May 15, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else want to know why abortion (killing over 40 million unborn children) is the number one domestic issue right now?

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Only in your alleged mind, moron.

Out here in the actual world the number one domestic issue is employment.

In addition to your being a moron, you are also a fanatic, another good reason nobody wants a "debate" with you

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 15, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

If anyone other than "chrisfox8" (who did not answer my questions to him even though I answered his questions to me) wants to have a rational discussion about abortion rights, please let me know.

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Oh boo bloody hoo on not answering your frivolous questions, Jakey-D. Grow up and stop feeling sorry for yourself.

And nobody needs an invitation from you to have a debate here, all they need do is type in the little box and hit "Submit." Quit acting like these comment sections are your personal god damned playground.

And nobody wants to have a "debate" with you over abortion or anything else, because everyone who reads these comments knows you're a moron.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 15, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else want to know why abortion (killing over 40 million unborn children) is the number one domestic issue right now?

Posted by: JakeD | May 15, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Here we are, the worst economic downturn since the 30s, mired in two wars, the Taliban trying to take over a nuclear nation, America in the midst of a shocking debate about fundamental humanity .. and what are the goops all wrapped around the axel about?

1980s culture war BS. Abortion, for chris'sake. Same-sex marriage. Issues where they have lost, that the nation has moved past.

And oh, trying to change the name of the Democratic Party.

Keep it up, guys, soon you'll be the "third party" you're always calling for as some sort of panacea.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 15, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

If anyone other than "chrisfox8" (who did not answer my questions to him even though I answered his questions to me) wants to have a rational discussion about abortion rights, please let me know.

Posted by: JakeD | May 15, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: read your own link, you must have skimmed it.

By all means let the GOP mount an attack on Roe. I can think of no better way to get the Democrats an even more solid majority. If you want to get apathetic progressives energized, just sound like you want a return to back-alley abortions and dead women. Go right ahead.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 15, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting to note that I have never heard a woman comment that she is pregnant with a "fetus"

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Americans aren't real big on accuracy in nomenclature. Did you mean to make a point?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 15, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | May 15, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

teadrinker:

I have (unfortunately) heard a pregnant mother refer to her unborn child as a "parasite". Saddest thing ever.

Posted by: JakeD | May 15, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Just a note to chrisfox8 | May 15, 2009 11:17 AM

It's interesting to note that I have never heard a woman comment that she is pregnant with a "fetus". Never. Whether or not she is happy about the pregnancy, plans to continue or abort. I have never heard a woman say she was pregnant with a fetus. So you insult someone by calling them a "typical gooper". Are you then a typical liberal, hypocritical democrat that uses words that only suit your purpose? A baby when you want one and go through big bucks fertility treatments or a fetus when you want to get rid of it?

Posted by: teadrinker | May 15, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Hey gooper trolls you should acquaint yourselves with the Israeli settler movement types, they have you beat all to hell; they can get FIVE lies in one short sentence, you guys post all day and only get one or two per sentence.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 15, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

The law says "severe physical pain or suffering" which does not occur when you simulate drowning. That is why the lawyers said that it was NOT torture... Just like Obama thinks that drilling a hole in the head of a live baby and sucking it's brains out does not cause pain...

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Typical gooper, every sentence has a subject, a verb, an object, and at least one lie.

We prosecuted waterboarding as torture in WWII, and we prosecuted it as torture when overzealous cops did it, but some gooper troll yanks to the television set and now it's in doubt? Nope.

And "sucking out a baby's brains" is picturesque but it's a fetus, not a baby, and the brain is there for use after birth. No idea what it is about you goopers that you can't talk about the one without bringing up the other. Is this a Limbaugh talking point? Thought so.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 15, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I've been a Democrat all my life.Never before have I seen a bigger display of ignorance than what this fool shows.She should be censored and removed from the leadership post she holds.An embarrassment indeed.

Posted by: rickyrickman | May 15, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: YeilRaven | May 15, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

>> The word us HYPOCRISY.

The word is 'IS'.
No 'u', the first consonant is an 'i', Why are YOU a HYPOCRITE?

Posted by: x_Jon_x | May 15, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

>> The word us HYPOCRISY.


The word is 'IS'.

It begins with an 'I' and ends with a 'S'.

Why are YOU a hypocrite?!?!?!

Posted by: x_Jon_x | May 15, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

>> 1. If you do _BLANK_ to somebody in an adversarial manner until they say whatever it is you want them to say to make you stop... that is torture.

FINALLY, someone who actually has provided a definition of torture ... which indicts every parent who has made their 5 year old child admit a lie, which indicts every teacher who has made a reluctant student recite their ABC’s, which has indicts every judge who has ruled for community service to be served in hopes that the defendant in question will learn to function in our society, etc.

Your definition is … silly.

Posted by: x_Jon_x | May 15, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

This vast array of drivel was brought on by that cretin Drudge, who had the URL for this column on his banner today.

This was a guy with so little regard for his country that he endorsed McCain and Palin, which is about as responsible as an open manhole cover in front of a kindergarten. Just imagine those two quadrupeds trying to deal with an encroaching depression.

"earmarks!"

"PRAYER!!!"

Boner would be talking about tax cuts for the wealthy. Cutting more social safety nets.

Good thing they came nowhere near winning

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 15, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, just so you know, "24" is not a documentary.

Posted by: DDAWD

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Another day, another ticking time bomb, another city saved

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 15, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Here wingy-dingies, this one should drive you guys into apoplexy:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/06/AR2007040600029.html

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 15, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

"She is the epitome of hypocracy"

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WHAT THE HELL IS IT with you wingnuts?

The word us HYPOCRISY.

No 'a', the last consonant is an 's', WHY CAN'T YOU HYPOCRITES SPELL?!?!?!

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 15, 2009 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Elections have consequences and we are now seeing the consequences of 2008. Debt my great-grandchildren will be paying off,

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If you have a better way to avoid a depression, let's hear it. Or do you just enjoy complaining?

It was your party of fools and crooks who got us into this mess though I'm certain you have a ready recitation of Democrats to blame it on, right? Fresh from talk radio, all canned and ready?
==

a nation at mortal risk of terrorists,

==

Yeah sure, we're at mortal risk because Obama refuses to have people tortured, right, Gomer?

Of course the fact that it stopped by 2005 because they got caught and Obama didn't stop anything that wasn't already stopped, that makes no impression on you ridiculous paranoia, right?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 15, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

"Between a black president and a female Speaker of the House it looks like the wingnuts have gone completely deranged. Fine with me, but it'd be nice if they were just a LITTLE less repetitive and a LITTLE more clever ..."

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 2:14 PM

You're kidding, right? It's too mind boggling to actually believe that someone would allow race and gender to color their beliefs. So unless those variables factor heavily into your own political beliefs, I've got to believe you're just kidding(?)

Posted by: yomomma1 | May 14, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

This lady for once in her Congressional career does the right thing by not challenging the enhanced interrogation techniques in 2002. Then she blows it all by reversing course, and then telling so many lies she can't keep up with what she's saying. She is an embarassment to this country, and if she had the brains and any ethical bones in her body.... she'd resign. She is the epitome of hypocracy. But sadly this shows how she would place politics ahead of this country's safety.

Posted by: prfrye60 | May 14, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is proving to be quite a fundraising tool for the GOP! "Pelosi was for waterboarding before she was against it." She should be ashamed. She was just trying to "CYA" but some how she got into a pissing match with the "CIA"
http://www.FRedStates.com

Posted by: FRedStatescom | May 14, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

The truth is sacrificed every time Pelosi opens her ample mouth. She would serve herself much better by taking responsibility for knowing and making a decision not to fight it. She can say it was a poor decision and that she regrets it, but it would show accountability. The chances of that happening are rather slim owing, again, to the fact that she doesn't even know what the truth looks like anymore.

Posted by: Buzz5 | May 14, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Newt the one time speaker of the house was run out of town because the proceeds of a book was considered against the law and we watch Pelosi go on and on with nothing inhibiting her. Wow a double standard or what.

Posted by: judester | May 14, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

"Since the Obama administration refuses to release ALL the memos, including the ones the Bushers claim would reveal what was gained with the interrogations, then the impetus is on you guys to prove how you can possibly claim nothing was ever gained by waterboarding."

Obama has been in power for a few months. Bush had a LONG time to make his case.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

"Obama and/or White House press secretary Robert Gibbs are certain to face questions about Pelosi's remarks whenever reporters are given access to them today."

What's the possibility of that happening when they routinely give the guy a pass with questions like what he finds 'enchanting' as president and substitute real issues for stories about the WH dog and Michelle's Jackie-esque fashion sense? I mean, they worked so hard to get the guy in office, why would they undermine all their hard work?

Posted by: yomomma1 | May 14, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I hope they nail this horrid women's wrinkled
@ss to the wall...But like her criminal compatriots, like Harman, she'll probably walk.

Posted by: Sadrrocks | May 14, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

"DDAWD:

Let me draw you a picture. You get a videotape in the mail. On it are two fellas in black hoods holding a sword to the neck of your daughter.

Meanwhile, you find out one of the hooded guys compatriots sits at Gitmo, laughing. Wonder if you might pause and second-guess your answer next time the Post survey calls and asks "do you support waterboarding?"...."

Yeah, just so you know, "24" is not a documentary.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

"But it's so easy to keep the goobers fired up over the pelvic issues, count on this crap going on a long time."

Perhaps, but as long as the right wing is looked upon as religious fundamentalists, it will be harder and harder for them to break into the independents. Once they decide that keeping the base is hurting more than helping, the religious crap will jettison faster. (This makes sense. The independents are a lot more interested in lower taxes than in gay bashing)

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is caught in a web of her own lies. Now her fellow dems are trying to save her by pointing an accusing finger at the CIA personnel who briefed her. The stench of Pelosi's hypocrisy may not bother her fellow democrats, but to many Americans it stinks to high hell.

Posted by: jedsil | May 14, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Elections have consequences and we are now seeing the consequences of 2008. Debt my great-grandchildren will be paying off, a nation at mortal risk of terrorists, liars at every level of leadership, corruption running rampant thru the highest level of government.
And you thought Bush was bad. God help us this great nation and allow the blind to see what they have turned loose on us.

Posted by: prattsr1 | May 14, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

The irony of all this is that Pelosi's lie pales in comparison to the damage that President Narcissist has done and is continuing to do this country. If you are 20 years old, you just got a tax bill for $114,000 over your life time. That doesn't account for the amount you would pay under other circumstances including the Cap & Trade tax that is coming. But the real Obama crimminality is yet to come. It is called super-inflation and it will create the real depression that is coming in 8-12 months. Obama will go down as the worst decision that this country has ever made. God help us.

Posted by: aroleflin | May 14, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

"People who have seen the memos say there's nothing there."

Well, then! There's no longer any reason to withhold the memos since you have it from such good 'sources'!

Be sure to call Obama on your shoe phone tomorrow and let him know...he has apparantly gotten bad information that there is reason not to let people see them.

Welcome to the new 'transparant' Obama administration.

Posted by: dbw1 | May 14, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8:
"The same media who can't call it torture, the same media who still can't bring themselves to say we were lied into war? Out to get Bush?"

Question: do you have any sources you read other than the WaPost or Huffington Post? Spread your wings, little eagle. There's apparantly a lot out there you are missing.

If you think the media has failed to criticize Bush, or call him (and his entire team) a bunch of liars, you are quite possibly the most deluded poster I've encountered yet on these boards.

Posted by: dbw1 | May 14, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Since the Obama administration refuses to release ALL the memos, including the ones the Bushers claim would reveal what was gained with the interrogations, then the impetus is on you guys to prove how you can possibly claim nothing was ever gained by waterboarding.

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People who have seen the memos say there's nothing there. People without the Bush administration's loooooong trail of lies.

As if Cheney wouldn't have released anything that suited him while he could.. Grow up

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Now I'm confused....I thought it was the Democrats training the media to blame everything on Bush.

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The same media who can't call it torture, the same media who still can't bring themselves to say we were lied into war? Out to get Bush?

Better get your oil checked, Cletus

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8:

Since the Obama administration refuses to release ALL the memos, including the ones the Bushers claim would reveal what was gained with the interrogations, then the impetus is on you guys to prove how you can possibly claim nothing was ever gained by waterboarding.

I know critical thinking escapes liberals, so if it's too hard for you to process such logical rationale, find someone to do your thinking for you....oh wait, from reading your other posts it looks like you are already doing that...

Posted by: dbw1 | May 14, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Now I'm confused....I thought it was the Democrats training the media to blame everything on Bush. With Nancy's sounding like a stuttering-school-girl-claiming-the-dog-ate-her-homework performance today, now I'm thinking it's the media coaching politicians to blame everything on Bush. They just fail miserably at ever doing it convincingly.

The incestuous relationship between the media and the Dem's is pretty amusing at times, you have to admit.....

Posted by: dbw1 | May 14, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

You claim "NOT ONE" person was saved by waterboarding. How do you know that? Please, in all your infinite wisdom tell us all how you could possibly know that?

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Logical fallacy: demand to prove a negative.

This one is in your court, champ.

Evidence that amyone was saved? Eleventh-hour claims from people with a stake in your belief, and who have been caught lying thousands of times.

brain <--- grow one

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

wing: pelosi said that the president (bush) should be prosecuted... about the water boarding. She knew of the waterboarding, and agreed at the time. SO, extrapolate unlike mindless dems, and we get that OK she is right= Pelosi should be prosecuted! get it YET?

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

What's with MSM buying into the Republican-crafted distraction
"what did Pelosi know & when was she told [lied to?] about it?"

Let me suggest some other names that should immediately come up in that context:

Jay Rockefeller
Pat Roberts,
Silvestre Reyes
Jane Harman
Peter Hoekstra
Dianne Feinstein
Carl Levin
Christopher Bond
John Warner
Bob Graham

Where is the joint press conference or, preferably, independent commission hearing where ALL of these who held legitimate, mandated oversight responsibility can clarify EXACTLY what they were or were NOT briefed on; and precisely how they responded to that [mis]information.

How about the big picture involving potential lies to Congress as well as possible abdication of their oversight responsibilities by intelligence committee members!!!

Posted by: jerswing | May 14, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD:

Let me draw you a picture. You get a videotape in the mail. On it are two fellas in black hoods holding a sword to the neck of your daughter.

Meanwhile, you find out one of the hooded guys compatriots sits at Gitmo, laughing. Wonder if you might pause and second-guess your answer next time the Post survey calls and asks "do you support waterboarding?"....

You claim "NOT ONE" person was saved by waterboarding. How do you know that? Please, in all your infinite wisdom tell us all how you could possibly know that?

You don't. You prove yourself to be yet another mindless drone of the left....

Posted by: dbw1 | May 14, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

It's almost surreal watching the Speaker's own words come back to haunt her. Pure Karma.

Posted by: dthep | May 14, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Before you can think how horrible waterboading is, think about the people it saved.

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Didn't save any, was never intended to, the interrogators weren't asking about plots, they wanted to tie AQ to Saddam to create a phony justification to invade the wrong country.

And you guys just eat it up and ask for more.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

@utes

Did you know who Saul Alinsky was before, say, about 3 or 4 months ago? Your post read's just like the column/post National Review's Jim Geraghty published today. Did you read that and just cut and paste some of his choice passages here?

Even if Obama was inspired by Alinsky's teachings and writings, it's not as if Alinsky was some evil monster. And remember, Bush/Cheney/Rove followed Machiavelli's playbook - is Rules for Radicals any worse/different than The Prince?

Posted by: shamey73 | May 14, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

You guys are really stuck on abortion stuff, aren't you?

The thing is the party leaders are going to have to decide what issues to fight for and what to throw under the bus in an attempt to move to the center.

Guess what? The party is controlled by big business. You think that they are giving up the fight for tax cuts?

Nope, abortion and gay marriage are the first issues under the bus.

==

But it's so easy to keep the goobers fired up over the pelvic issues, count on this crap going on a long time.

Though it is kind of bizarre seeing the goobs getting riled over Wagoner, some of them claim to be seriously outraged, Yeah like it affects their lives in any tangible way.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

"Before you can think how horrible waterboading is, think about the people it saved."

Not a single person was saved by waterboarding. Not ONE.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Fed up with Pelosi and Obama? Check out this song at: www.myspace.com/rogerweber

You'll feel better.

Posted by: Roger9 | May 14, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Before you can think how horrible waterboading is, think about the people it saved. Would it be worth Torturing a Terrorist to save one Life? How about if it was your family? Would you think Torture is worse than Killing to save Lifes? I have no problem Treating the
Terrorist like they treat US. An Eye for an Eye.

Posted by: acolor | May 14, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

You guys are really stuck on abortion stuff, aren't you?

The thing is the party leaders are going to have to decide what issues to fight for and what to throw under the bus in an attempt to move to the center.

Guess what? The party is controlled by big business. You think that they are giving up the fight for tax cuts?

Nope, abortion and gay marriage are the first issues under the bus.

But anyways, its been three hours and no one could find a single example of press saying Bush lied.

That's $100 to the DNCC. That pretty much wipes out all of the effort made by posting on this board.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

This is the epitome of an "inside-the-Beltway" issue, as well as an "elite polarization" issue, that most of the country doesn't really give a damn about. This is big news inside the capital, and among political and opinion elites who are polarized by it, but people outside D.C. are much more focused on the economy, health care, and substantive issues that impact normal Americans' everyday lives. We have heard enough about this entire issue and the media should stop making such a big deal about it.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | May 14, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

It appears that Chrisfox8, is a WASHIGNTON do boy, probably has his head up Pelosi's A.. Chris do you carry a rainbow flag???

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Wrong Washington. I live in the big one on the Left Coast.

Don't carry anyone's flag, I'm not some damned JOINER

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

omgpatrios, so should anti-war protestors face the death penalty for seditious treasonous activity? Treason is a crime and it would not be a stretch to paint anti-war protestors as committing acts that harmed the US during a time of war.

Everyone is a criminal. Left and right. Fry them all!

Posted by: Abruzzi4 | May 14, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Hitechcowboy, your insistance that we prosecute ANYONE based on the torture law you posted does not fit.
The law says "severe physical pain or suffering" which does not occur when you simulate drowning. That is why the lawyers said that it was NOT torture... Just like Obama thinks that drilling a hole in the head of a live baby and sucking it's brains out does not cause pain...

Posted by: personnotfound | May 14, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey everyone dont you realize Nancy P. is waterboarding us now, she is Pissing all over our Intelligence.

Posted by: acolor | May 14, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Sunlight certainly makes cockroaches scurry about.

Pelosi needs to be put on trial. It is the only way to find out the truth, as she has clearly demonstrated her ability to lie promiscuously about her involvement in torture.

Posted by: RedRyderz | May 14, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Bush, Cheney and all of their minions need to face the death penalty for their war crimes.

Failure to hold them accountable will be the death knell and total invalidation of this country's legal system.

Posted by: omgthepatriots | May 14, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

It is soooo funny. Obama has to use his Saul Alinsky head games to try to distract from the whole Pelosi thing (You know, not releasing the pictures?) and Pelosi just has to keep this in the news! Hilarious! I guess Pelosi didn't read 'Rules for Radicals.' A stated in the article, no Obama has to look for another distraction! LMAO, their Alinsky head games are just turning them all into a Three Stooges routine.

Truth is, Saul Alinsky never did preach the truth, he preached win at all costs, no matter what. In the end, and all throughout history, anything built on a lie is like a house of cards, one day it will tumble with nothing left standing.

One last thing, read Saul Alinsky's 'Rules for Radicals' if you want to understand what is going on, and what head games are being used. It is so obvious that Obama and the dems are disciples of this failed attempt, again, built on lies. It is all coming crashing down as they all speak.

HEY, Obama today even admitted that this deficit that he is creating isn't sustainable! The truth always win, Alinsky just played head games.

Posted by: utes | May 14, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Well, one more hour to show the press says Bush lied about ANYTHING.

Still nothing, not even with $100 on the line.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

"PS: never forget we lost sight of osama bin laden at tora bora when some scum traitor pig blabbed to the media that we were sure we were close because their phones lit up after a B52 run from nebraska dropped a bunker buster
Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 7:41 PM |"
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We lost sight of OBL because we entrusted local tribal leaders to go in and get him when we had him surrounded, unless that was another lie from the Bush admin.

And BTW: THERE ARE NO CELL TOWERS IN THE REMOTE MOUNTAINS OF AFGHANISTAN

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Need a Break from the Republican Attack Machine?
HaHaHa here is my favorite song for this most worthy cause :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKuQXGrFSQ0

Posted by: 007lovesohio | May 14, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Don't you find it a little ironic that republicans would defend pirates?

...them...being...like...pirates...themselves?

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

The GOP new credo "Arrgggh, the Party of Pirates and Torture"

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I get a kick out of the little Wingnut minions on here who are foaming at the mouth over Speaker Pelosi.


Here's the thing Wingers, Nancy Pelosi would not be the speaker right now if your party hadn't flushed itsself down the toilet the last eight years by doing things like TORTURING!


Here are some of those Republican "values/principles" that are going to keep them in the minority for years and years to come:


• Invasion of privacy when it pleases them


• Constant campaigns of fear to keep the masses controllable


• Free enterprise that benefits the top 1% at the detriment of everyone else


• Religious fringe/narrow minded philosophies (climate change a myth, creationism not)


• Wars based primarily on corporate interests and fed to us as patriotic necessity


The Republican party has veered off into Gattaca-ville. They believe their platform promotes freedom and individuality but their too blind to see the truth - situations like Teri Schaivo, phone-tapping, torture approval methods and pre-emptive wars have, until the last 10 years, been a fringe mentality. Thanks to George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and their Nazi-like followers this kind of thinking about what a democracy is has been pushed into the mainstream. Granted, much of it was pushed through the gauze of fear (mushroom clouds, alert levels, enemies within), but thank God America finally came to their senses.


And that brings us to Cheney. His recent statements prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Republican party has NEVER had any intention of working with the rest of us. They maintained their fringe mentality and always intended to shove it down our throats whether we liked it or not. Lets face it, if we DIDN'T like it, we were branded as traitors. As long as we did, we would cheer for the team and become blindly complacent to corruption (Halliburton), laziness (Katrina) and a lack of oversight and enforcement of laws (mortgage industry) that has undone our reputation and the world's economy.


Posted by: DrainYou | May 14, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

President Obama giving the OK to kill three pirates holding ONE hostage= OK.

President Bush giving the OK to waterboard(not kill or disfigure) 3 suspects who had vital information to glean, saving thousands of lives= evil?

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YUO=FO0L

(1) anyone holding hostages has no right to expect to emerge alive. Take a hostage? Be ready to die. Note that you are defending pirates now. Way to go, gooper.

(2) Torture is immoral and illegal and no circumstance makes it otherwise. And as it turns out the torture was for false confessions, not to save lives.

Since you need to lie to make even as shoddy a point as that, face the fact that you've already lost the debate, and lost it badly.

Why did we invade Iraq again?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey Starvingactor, The real fun at the river crossing is knowing that in the end it'll be all the other wildebeast,DNC, behind her that will push her in,Boom Like That!

Posted by: rmoorejr30 | May 14, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

It appears that Chrisfox8, is a WASHIGNTON do boy, probably has his head up Pelosi's A.. Chris do you carry a rainbow flag???

Posted by: dennis512002 | May 14, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

So what's the problem?

Saul Alinsky taught Pelosi, Reid, Obama, et. al. that the ends justify the means for a radical agenda... democracy is just a stopping point in the radical's march to "Social Justice"!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky

"In Rules for Radicals, he argued that the most effective means are whatever will achieve the desired ends, and that an intermediate end for radicals should be democracy because of its relative ease to work within to achieve other ends of social justice."

Pelosi is just following Saul's goosestep orders of deceit and lies in the name of Socialcommunism!

What Me Worry?

Posted by: im14fun | May 14, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

OK, let me get right to the point. This little comparison is all one needs to show how screwed up the Dems are.

President Obama giving the OK to kill three pirates holding ONE hostage= OK.

President Bush giving the OK to waterboard(not kill or disfigure) 3 suspects who had vital information to glean, saving thousands of lives= evil?

Nuff said Dimwits. If just ONE Rebublican could stand up and throw this at the people, the light would come on for many confused thinkers.

Posted by: Outlaw | May 14, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

(little twerplet- you strange entities are talented at parroting things we say, and try to use our words against us, but we have the constitution. To call us traitors is hilarious, when thinking of you scum wads with gun control disarming victims, and murdering babies before their birth, and overtaxation, and power grabbing in congress- i could go on, but the first charge is a hanging offense- all else is redundant.)

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Sounds like you need to huff into a paper bag for a few minutes

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

RMooreJr30- oh man!! You hit the best idea of the day! Save the wildebeast, and let us make a film of nancy crossing that river!! hahahaha then the rest of the DNC... all the traitors who voted for the porkulus before reading it!! (or any legislation, if not read and understood first!) bye for now.

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

PS: never forget we lost sight of osama bin laden at tora bora when some scum traitor pig blabbed to the media that we were sure we were close because their phones lit up after a B52 run from nebraska dropped a bunker buster - like an 18 hour flight!- and then the media blabbed that, and they never used cell phones again. THANKS traitor F*** democrats! (little twerplet- you strange entities are talented at parroting things we say, and try to use our words against us, but we have the constitution. To call us traitors is hilarious, when thinking of you scum wads with gun control disarming victims, and murdering babies before their birth, and overtaxation, and power grabbing in congress- i could go on, but the first charge is a hanging offense- all else is redundant.)

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Oh pish Bush never cared about going after Osama.

All he cared about was putting on the flight suit and proving to the world that he was a tough little monkey.

You don't think the United States of America could have found one (1) 6'4" Arab in Afghanistan?

We weren't interested. Bush wanted to do Iraq instead. Your heroes dropped the ball and you still defend them and spend bloody hours writing about that non-entity Pelosi, dropping the ball too.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

55, 5'8", 180. Half your body fat. By the time you're my age you'll be in a wheelchair.


Wow if in fact you are 55 I do pity you. You are an angry little man who try as you may is unable to fill that big void in your soul. I thought I was having fun with a kid but you really are pitiful. I am sorry for chastising you. You have enough on your plate already.

Posted by: freediver | May 14, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

It's kind of sad isn't it about Pelosi? I mean, it's just too bad that she isn't as good a liar as Obama. He should teach her how to lie better.

Posted by: josephpturner | May 14, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Just keep talking Nancy, you're better than Comedy Central. At least Obama knows he needs a telepromter,you on the otherhand need to grab your broom and head back West. Just give it time CIA, she looks like a wildebeast ready to cross a river full of crocks. I'm lovin this like coke and popcorn!

Posted by: rmoorejr30 | May 14, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

PS: never forget we lost sight of osama bin laden at tora bora when some scum traitor pig blabbed to the media that we were sure we were close because their phones lit up after a B52 run from nebraska dropped a bunker buster - like an 18 hour flight!- and then the media blabbed that, and they never used cell phones again. THANKS traitor F*** democrats! (little twerplet- you strange entities are talented at parroting things we say, and try to use our words against us, but we have the constitution. To call us traitors is hilarious, when thinking of you scum wads with gun control disarming victims, and murdering babies before their birth, and overtaxation, and power grabbing in congress- i could go on, but the first charge is a hanging offense- all else is redundant.)

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

"What is really sad is that it is not America anymore but the parties that people are loyal to. "

Actually, what's REALLY sad is that people are talking about bench pressing on here.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

starving actor could barely see through the tears as he wrote:
control of US- and that is the very last thing we want or need!

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Damned good thing because you goobers are out for decades.

Hope you liked that brief session of torture and disgrace 'cause that was it. Won't happen again NUH-uh, because nobody wants to go to jail like those poor grunts who took the fall for Rumsfeld and Cheney

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

What is really sad is that it is not America anymore but the parties that people are loyal to. If this were a republicans all of you that are making excuses and trying to explain away the pathetic pig that is pelosi who has stood 5 times and 5 times changed her story. She should be removed from office. Both parties democrat which I am and republicans have screwed the American people. It is the American people who are losing jobs, homes, cars, while the politicans on both sides continue to rake it in from lobbyist and those who pay for the favors of this government. So instead of allowing the corrupt democrats and republicans divide us to conquer we need to come together and conquer which means take back our nation and prosecute those criminals that call themselves government.

Posted by: Sjohn5148 | May 14, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I am 45 years old and can military press as much as you can bench. 6' 5" , tipping the scales at 260- 12% body fat.

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55, 5'8", 180. Half your body fat. By the time you're my age you'll be in a wheelchair.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

PA Flying Springsteen's flag for That Need a Break from Republican Attack Machine Campaign!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=113kJKz2mMI&feature=channel_page

Posted by: scrantonkidrocks90 | May 14, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I just am jumping on a moment... I have read a few down from the top.... Americans, based on my observations, the cheap scum little twerplet chris is merely trying to anger us. If we ignore it, it may not go away, it may not stop posting- but we will spare ourselves the energy drain of getting angry at a treasonous vermin who is best served an argument from 1,200 feet. We can address eachother, and its arguments- when he does type out any coherencies- but we need not actually try to convert the uncivilizable. When it spews untruths- print out truth. But without giving him the recognition it desires and feeds from. Like the misguided/ignorant, or deliberately obfuscatory tripe when it said the waterboarding was so a saddam connection could be obtained... it seriously has difficulties processing information, if it was ever given any valid facts... OK I need to cook and relax. Keep slamming the vermin marxist slimes! But do not look one in the eye, and do not address it directly- they are dangerous. Wasting time arguing with it, is time it is in control of US- and that is the very last thing we want or need!

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

We didn't torture people to unmask plots or prevent a second attack, there were no such plans. We didn't torture to make America safe or save lives.

We tortured because Bush is a little guy insecure about not being tall, who needed to boost his ego by being a "war president" and invading Iraq. We tortured to extract false confessions and knock down public opposition to invading the wrong country.

Didn't capture Osama, didn't thwart Al Qaida, invaded a country at cost of MORE AMERICAN LIVES THAN 9/11 .. and you idiot goobers are happy about it.

Eat your own offal, traitors

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for your concern, I already had my workout today. I'm in great shape, I bench 300 and you can't even see your feet when you stand up.


Well there you go then! 300 pounds you are a big boy! But sorry fella no gut here. I was an all SEC defensive end. I was benching 300 when I was 15 years old. So see everything is relative. I am 45 years old and can military press as much as you can bench. 6' 5" , tipping the scales at 260- 12% body fat. I assure you my young miserable little friend .. you are outgunned here. Go brag to mommy.. when she gets home form the strip club tonight.

Posted by: freediver | May 14, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

ha ha yea sorry about the spelling

Posted by: cadn72 | May 14, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

KMichaels cried:
"You just want your team to win, at all costs."

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Wrong. I just want yours to lose, at all costs.

Mission Accomplished!

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 writes..."All you swaggering ninnies blasting Pelosi .. take note.
* Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House, second in line to the presidency and one of the most powerful people in America, and the world.* You guys are a bunch of bedwetters whose party has barely a fifth of the electorate among its ranks and majorities in barely five states. You guys are so addled and angry and self-righteous but probably less than half of you could find your own feet, and fewer still can see them while standing. No put on that apron and paper cap and get back to work, the customers are waiting for their FRENCH fries." First, genius... Pelosi is third in line to succeed the president. Joe "Mumbles" Biden - God help us all - is second in line for that honor. Second, before you inserted your head up your rear-end, where did you learn to communicate ? My guess is graduate school. Liked the French Fry gag though...really original and oh so pithy. You can go back to your Play Doh now and don't forget to brush your tooth after dinner.

Posted by: Bummer64 | May 14, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Well, after one hour, still no link to any news account saying Bush lied. Not about WMD and not about a ham sandwich.

$100 to either KMichaels or to the DNCC. It's a $200 swing for the Republicans if he can find such an account. Just ONE account.

By the way, there's a reason I feel fine making this wager. It's because the press isn't biased.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 writes..."All you swaggering ninnies blasting Pelosi .. take note.
* Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House, second in line to the presidency and one of the most powerful people in America, and the world.* You guys are a bunch of bedwetters whose party has barely a fifth of the electorate among its ranks and majorities in barely five states. You guys are so addled and angry and self-righteous but probably less than half of you could find your own feet, and fewer still can see them while standing. No put on that apron and paper cap and get back to work, the customers are waiting for their FRENCH fries." First, genius... Pelosi is third in line to succeed the president. Joe "Mumbles" Biden - God help us all - is second in line for that honor. Second, befoe you inserted your head up your rear-end, where did you learn to communicate ? My guess is graduate school. Liked the French Fry gag though...really original and oh so pithy. You can go back to your Play Doh now and don't forget to brush your tooth after dinner.

Posted by: Bummer64 | May 14, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

This is entertaining. KMichael vs. Chrisfox smackdown. Two guys with chairs going at it in the ring.

Anyone got some popcorn?

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 14, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

OK whatever a gooper is?
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GOoPer
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Actually if you are guilty of conspiring and planning to commit murder than you are in fact guilty of murder. Remember Osama?
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Hadn't forgotten. How come we didn't catch him?

You're not even outraged that we let him die in bed and free because we were more interested in Iraq? Which had nothing to do with 9/11? Doesn't that trouble you at all?

Guess not. Stupid hillbilly.

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Run along laddie, go play in the yard and get some activity in.

Posted by: freediver

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Thanks for your concern, I already had my workout today. I'm in great shape, I bench 300 and you can't even see your feet when you stand up.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox, on moral ground, insists on killing unborn babies, because he calls them useless cells or whatever. Well, chrissy, you soulless dweeb, I am ok with waterboarding the useless cells found in those three terrorists. So dont pretend that you have a clue about morals. You just want your team to win, at all costs. And you are not interested in winning national security. You are interested in winning some political power. Therein is the difference. Crissy has no morals is down proud of it. But we are not fighting for whiny little b-astards like chriss. We are fighting for real Americans. And we will defend them. And if you worry about serial killers getting exectuted. TOUGH. If you worry about terrorists getting water up their noses. Tough. Because you chris, dont count.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

TO: nxsdrgg @ 6:45 p.m.


You forgot to mention the microwave radiation weapons that are believed to have been used to "induce" weakness, exhaustion, sleep deprivation, environmental manipulation...

Oh, I forgot. It was OUR guys allegedly doing that high-tech torture. Oops.

And I hear there are credible reports nationwide about these "directed energy weapons" being used to torture and induce various ailments right here at home.

Maybe you'd like to educate yourself? Here:

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
http://nowpublic.com/world/bush-torture-memos-oked-radiation-weapon-use-americans-too

OR (if links are corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener


Posted by: scrivener50 | May 14, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

chrissy, save your stupid parsing of words, little immoral dweeb. This is adults you are talking to now, little boy.

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Adults? Gullible powerless hillbillies who don't have a single fact straight?

I'll take my chances, goober

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

The interrogations sought to prove a 9/11 link to Saddam, a link that never existed.

Get your facts straight, gooper


OK whatever a gooper is? Actually if you are guilty of conspiring and planning to commit murder than you are in fact guilty of murder. Remember Osama? I guess our opinions about him are unfair as well. Kid, I understand you are 12 years old and having a chuckle on the computer. But I would imagine that true to your persona here you are equally obnoxious and unpopular in person. Run along laddie, go play in the yard and get some activity in.

Posted by: freediver | May 14, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

chrissy, save your stupid parsing of words, little immoral dweeb. This is adults you are talking to now, little boy.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Oks abortion of innocent unborn human babies

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"Unborn baby" doesn't parse. It's not a baby till after its' born. Get your terms straight, Cletus.

And abortion has nothing to do with the topic. Just trying to torque yourself up?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox is speaking out of his retarded arse so fast it is hard to follow his idiotic logic.

Chris is saying that these three terrorists that plotted 911 are not responsible for the killings because they did the planning but not the flying of the planes.

Chris, you are one pretty stupid fool, little kid.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

The Obama view of torture ...

1) Oks the drilling of holes in newborn babies and sucking their brains out.

2) Oks the shooting in the head of three teenage pirates. However is upset that the three adult terrorists that killed 3000 US citizens have received stress blisters on their lips.

3) Oks the killing and maiming of terrorist wives and kids in pakistan. But is against using advanced techniques to save lives against three known terrorists that killed 3000 US citizens.

4) Oks abortion of innocent unborn human babies but insists that living terrorists dont get water up their noses because it might distress them.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

You are cashing in all of your political capital to defend 3 individuals who murdered 3,000 Americans in cold blood.

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The people who murdered 3000 Americans died as they murdered.

The interrogations sought to prove a 9/11 link to Saddam, a link that never existed.

Get your facts straight, gooper

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

The more the shame is that both Obama and Pelosi have taken steps to give out secret information to our enemies

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What secret information, troll?

Do you get woody and feel all military an' stuff talking about "our enemies?"

Anyone who believes that second wave BS about LA is too gullible to spare the ridicule

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse


"yeah we have mommy issues and you guys suck up to criminals. I'll keep my mommy issues, thanks"


OK, now this is an interesting and delusional perspective. You are cashing in all of your political capital to defend 3 individuals who murdered 3,000 Americans in cold blood. Yet we are the ones sucking up to criminals. Call your shrink, the meds aren't working!

Posted by: freediver | May 14, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

"appose" torture

"by" your ticket

"hypocricy"

Jesus Christ!!

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox is sounding more like a useless troll than usual, if you could believe it.

The subject, chrissy, was Pelosi and her never ending twisting tale of what she knew, and who lied.

She lied, for political gain.

Now chrisfox, he loves lying for political gain too because he shares the same lack of morals with Pelosi.

So be it. But that does not excuse Pelosi's habit of doing things strictly to keep a job and or keep herself in power.

The more the shame is that both Obama and Pelosi have taken steps to give out secret information to our enemies in order to embarrass the other party.

That is totally reprehensible and neither should be holding office.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Personally I think its all he said she said. Both sides are not going to show all the cards and we are left with bits and pieces of everything in a broken puzzle. One CIA agent says this another White House staff member says that. All we can see right now is that she was the majority leader and was briefed. The dems ran capital hill during the bush years and are still in power. Lets see what happens.
And on this torture issue if you're against it great thats your option as an American. But my question to those who appose it is: Do you see movies like Hostile, Taken, A Time To Kill? Thinking what does that have to do with anything but it does. See hollywood makes big bucks off having movies where the guy who tortures is the hero and as the audience you give a silent clap when its over. My point if you appose torture then do it on all grounds. Stretching from reality to fantasy. Show politics how serious you are about torture and say you wont put up with it in any way. Untill then by your ticket and continue the hypocricy.

Posted by: cadn72 | May 14, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

There are always differing opinions, but by virtually all accounts (including the last four Directors of the CIA), these techniques worked. They saved lives and prevented a 9/11 style attack on the city of Los Angeles

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hahahahahah yeah sure they did.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi is a liar. She knew all along what was going on, but at that time 9-11 was still on everyone's minds so it obviously didn't matter to her at the time what was going on. However, now that she has her power and her party holds the Presidency and Congress, she says how immorral and disgusting these torture methods are.

I am against torture as well, but if these techniques save AMERICAN lives and provide AMERICA with intelligence then you have to do what you have to do. The first mistake was Obama letting this material get out in the first place. He not only gave our enemies a blue print of our possible interrogation techniques, he also betrayed our intelligence agencies and a previous administration for his own selfish plight while putting America at risk.

Barack Obama and the liberal party is so selfish and self absorbed that they don't even see the repurcussions of their own actions. That's what happens when you think with your heart and instead of your brain. Torture should have never even brought up. The Dems thought this was going to be an "I gotcha" moment for their party, but it has blown up in their faces. This should have stayed in house and the press have perpectuated this into a fiasco. Pelosi lied and she lies to the American public everyday. Her time is up.

Posted by: chadericbrown | May 14, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

What I find amusing on all blogs that I visit is the complete anger of the left. C'mon guys, your side won the election and has majorities in both house and senate. Yet you whine, spew hate and vitriol and attack people personally. If your sides policies are correct than why the anger? It seems to me that you all suffer from low self esteem. Is it because most of you are from broken homes? Is it that you are angry that mommy didn't do the right thing and abort you to begin with? It is perplexing and pathetic. I guess that is why the love affair with Obama. You think he is the daddy you never had. He will tell you what to eat, drink, say and believe. Newsflash: Obama does not give a rat's arse about you either.

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yeah we have mommy issues and you guys suck up to criminals. I'll keep my mommy issues, thanks

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats may be the party of asses, but Nancy Pelosi is a snake.

One of The Left’s favorite rallying cries/talking points has been about how we lost our moral compass during the Bush years. That the use of these rough (but comparatively tame) techniques has muted America’s authority as a force for good in the world. But I say that our compass has been turned around only recently.

There are always differing opinions, but by virtually all accounts (including the last four Directors of the CIA), these techniques worked. They saved lives and prevented a 9/11 style attack on the city of Los Angeles. The operation was a resounding success. These people should be receiving medals and be treated like heroes. If all this information about thwarting further attacks had come out in 2003, politicians would be lining up to take the credit. Yet in this political climate people are forced to duck for cover and protect themselves for doing their job effectively and saving thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands) of innocent lives. How ass-backwards is that?

visit www.myangryelephant.com for more.

Posted by: myangryelephant | May 14, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse


What I find amusing on all blogs that I visit is the complete anger of the left. C'mon guys, your side won the election and has majorities in both house and senate. Yet you whine, spew hate and vitriol and attack people personally. If your sides policies are correct than why the anger? It seems to me that you all suffer from low self esteem. Is it because most of you are from broken homes? Is it that you are angry that mommy didn't do the right thing and abort you to begin with? It is perplexing and pathetic. I guess that is why the love affair with Obama. You think he is the daddy you never had. He will tell you what to eat, drink, say and believe. Newsflash: Obama does not give a rat's arse about you either.

Posted by: freediver | May 14, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

All you swaggering ninnies blasting Pelosi .. take note.

* Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House, second in line to the presidency and one of the most powerful people in America, and the world

* You guys are a bunch of bedwetters whose party has barely a fifth of the electorate among its ranks and majorities in barely five states

You guys are so addled and angry and self-righteous but probably less than half of you could find your own feet, and fewer still can see them while standing.

No put on that apron and paper cap and get back to work, the customers are waiting for their FRENCH fries.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

FOR THE WEST COAST:

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GOP: BE CAREFUL OF WHAT YOU WISH FOR


Maybe Nancy is crazy like a fox...

and she will use her "memory lapse" to lure the GOP into accepting a full investigation into the Bush-Cheney Reign of Terror.

Yes! Let's get to the bottom of Nancy's "lies"...

...along with the lies and criminal actions of those who CONTINUE to administer "the torture matrix" AT HOME and abroad...

...ongoing human rights abuses enabled by the naivete of liberals -- and a compliant mainstream media:


http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR (if link is corrupted / disabled);

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | May 14, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

to all econazis, progressive stooges, and leftist freaks, let's put this in perspective. on the one hand you have religious zealots flying airliners full of innocents into skyscrapers full of yet more innocents, journalists being beheaded, and routine abductions where we never see the individual again. then, on the other hand, you have a bug in a room, an open hand slap, and dumping water on a man's face. yeah... still no moral equivalence that i can see. when will you all get over whatever piddling little psychological issues you have with human beings doing whatever it takes to make sure your sorry, drug-addled asses can sleep at night without having to worry about a wild-eyed jihadist slitting your throat while you sleep? worthless; all of you.

Posted by: nxsdrgg | May 14, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

The U.S. Code against torture.

The code is clear and concise, the definition leaves little ground for debate, the penalties are specific and detailed.

All elected, and appointed officials regardless of party affiliation must be indicted, arrested and tried for their role in the illegal torture. This includes CIA, Military, and private contractual special operators.

U.S. Code Title 18 Sections 2340 -2340A

Section 2340. Definitions

As used in this chapter -
(1) "torture" means an act committed by a person acting under
the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical
or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering
incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his
custody or physical control;
(2) "severe mental pain or suffering" means the prolonged
mental harm caused by or resulting from -
(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of
severe physical pain or suffering;
(B) the administration or application, or threatened
administration or application, of mind-altering substances or
other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or
the personality;
(C) the threat of imminent death; or
(D) the threat that another person will imminently be
subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the
administration or application of mind-altering substances or
other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or
personality; and

(3) "United States" includes all areas under the jurisdiction
of the United States including any of the places described in
sections 5 and 7 of this title and section 46501(2) of title 49.

Section 2340A. Torture

(a) Offense. - Whoever outside the United States commits or
attempts to commit torture shall be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and if death results to
any person from conduct prohibited by this subsection, shall be
punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life.
(b) Jurisdiction. - There is jurisdiction over the activity
prohibited in subsection (a) if -
(1) the alleged offender is a national of the United States; or
(2) the alleged offender is present in the United States,
irrespective of the nationality of the victim or alleged
offender.

(c) Conspiracy. - A person who conspires to commit an offense
under this section shall be subject to the same penalties (other
than the penalty of death) as the penalties prescribed for the
offense, the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.

Posted by: HiTechCowBoy | May 14, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

You are all a bunch of ninnies, standing tall behind your sad nicknames and accusations. Wake up and smell the coffee! Beyond minuscule policy differences the Ds and Rs are all the same, scoundrels and cheats. None of these fools have any moral substance, and having changes course so many times know not what they believe in.
You want change... flush Washington.
You want to talk disconnect... why does congress have a 30% approval rating and a 75% reelection record?
They all need to go!

Same s#$t different a*&h@!e

Posted by: Inflammatorium | May 14, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

One can get dizzy watching the pelosi apologists spin their web of deception to make pelosi almost appear as though she might possibly might not be lying. But, it aint working. Pelosi is most defintly lying in order to save her political hide. Too bad that she does not have all the press lap dogs that Obammy has. Heck, Obama can cut off an eight year old kids head in public and the MSM would be talking about whether he had onions on his hamburger.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I think you should listen to her statement again. Your re-writing is not precisely accurate and given the Rovian nature of the GOP attack, you are just feeding their errors.

What she did was correct and appropriate to the changes in her position.

To understand this, start by reading what the intelligence folks do and how they do it. Say, read Pentagon Papers or read about Ollie North's trip to Tehran. See what they were selling to JFK about Cuba during the Missile Crisis.

Knowledge of the history or the intel support of invading Iraq is necessary to seeing exactly what she was saying. Maybe she assumed too much from the listeners.

Posted by: brooktrout1 | May 14, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

This is an outrage, the American people will not tolerate Pelosi any longer.

Democrats better wake up fast if they want to keep their majority.

Posted by: dmarshall1 | May 14, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is the perfect postergirl of how depraved, shameless, cynical, duplicitous, malicious, dishonorable, and treacherous libs have become in this country. They will say anything to stay in power, even if it means destroying individuals, organizations, or their own country. She's an absolute joke and a total embarrassment to her district, to her state, to the Congress, and to her country. She's absolutely worthless. She needs to resign. Oh, wait....that would require having a conscience, honor, scruples, and a sense of shame...qualities libs don't have.

Posted by: joelwright1 | May 14, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

California joins Cooday's "Need a break from the Republican Attack Machine Campaign?"

ORIGINAL jabbawockeez at Lakers Spurs halftime show. Finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydglTjmZJ1k

Posted by: katherinetopps77 | May 14, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I'll check back in three hours. If no press account saying Bush lied, then I'm donating $100 to the DNCC.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Well, she really did didn't she?

This is the moment to end this charade and put in a new speaker.

The lady has been way over her head for years and now there is no possible doubt.

Otherwise, have a nice day.

Posted by: SanchoK | May 14, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou small brain uses this form of logic.

I say 2 + 2 = 4.

DrainYou says, oh yeah, then what about Republicans.

Hey, DrainYou, did you just change the subject?

Obama polices, when polled, get 33% support. Meaning 66% are against them. Speaking of economics for the most part.

But when asked about Obama, not his polices, Obama gets about 64% support.

This means that there is a disconnect, promoted by the idiot press lap dogs, about the fact that these are Obama polices that the Americans do not like.

Time for some educating, eh.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Saul Alinsky distraction technique number one. Attack and ridicule the opposition. If that fails, change the subject.

But alas, no, we will stick with the fact that hopey dopey Obama brought up the CIA memos, hurting national security, in order to gain personally politically.

Now that the dems are losing on this point, more than they are winning, Obammy is wanting to move on to a different subject.

Rahm, is pressing his sad little brain trying to squeeze out the next lie. Whatever comes out of either end after all his grunting will do the job.

MSM lapdogs will jump on the bandwagon with accolades and slaps on the back.

Meanwhile, the nation gets poorer, fewer jobs, historic large debt and deficit. More inflation. More BS smokeblowing.

Yes, Obammy, we owe it all to you. Der uber messias ist zehr gut.


Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Keep it up Repugs!, keep defending torture while trying to bring down people who said nothing about it!

Your argument is fundamentally flawed.

It will be YOUR legacy.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

66% of the nation hate Obama policies when asked about specifics but because the MSM press is playing Obama lapdog, Chris Celiza included, voters dont connect the policies to Obama. Talk about the blind leading the blind.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse
________________________


Really?


Then why is the Repuglican party less popular than Venezuela in this country?
.
http://www.pufferfishblog.com/weblog/2009/04/republicans-less-popular-than-venezuela.html


My work here is done, I've proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that dittohead nutjobs like you who get all of their info from Fixed News and Druggy Rush are in the minority (Republican) for a very good reason, you are dumber than a bag of rocks.

Try again, Psychoboy

Posted by: DrainYou | May 14, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a liar and must resign. What a disgrace this woman is. But then what can one expect from a dimwit from San Francisco which is more marxist than Cuba.

Posted by: aroleflin | May 14, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

heres my contribution to the need a break from the republican attack machine campaign

Orioles Magic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8BMYo3Z7mc

Posted by: woodyfrombaltimore | May 14, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"The press is prone not to call a spade a spade and find it hard to utter the word LIE, unless they want to revisit Bush in the past, then of course only Bush lied about WMDS and when Kerry and Clinton talked about WMDS that was different."

I'll give you $100 if you can link to a news article that says Bush lied about anything. Like anything. If he said he was going to eat a sandwich and got a hot dog instead and the news account said he lied about what he was going to eat, then pow - $100.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Here's one she hasn't (yet) tried:

"I was brainwashed by the CIA!"

Or, how about the Colonel Klink defense:

"I know NOTHING, NOTHING!"

Posted by: LoonyLeft | May 14, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

So, back to the main point.

Pelosi lied, got caught, told five or more different versions hoping that one of them might stick.

The press is playing softball with her and hoping she just shuts up. The press is prone not to call a spade a spade and find it hard to utter the word LIE, unless they want to revisit Bush in the past, then of course only Bush lied about WMDS and when Kerry and Clinton talked about WMDS that was different.

Lying is a leftist habit and the press is loath to do anything against their lies.

Leftists are simply in it for political power and they play Saul Alinsky tactics to do it.

66% of the nation hate Obama policies when asked about specifics but because the MSM press is playing Obama lapdog, Chris Celiza included, voters dont connect the policies to Obama. Talk about the blind leading the blind.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"It is obvious that DDawd is just trolling now. Sad little kid."

I'm just excited I gots to have the sex. I'm literally burshin from your logics

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is nothing but a lying hypocrite (like most democrats). I would use some other words, but they are not allowed by the Post's sensitive ears.

Posted by: bug45 | May 14, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"Dear Nancy,
Please do not ride past the Texas School Book Depository in an open car any time soon.
Signed,
JFK

Posted by: Amos"
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Wow, this is like the 20th death or torture threat I've read regarding this matter, why do Repubs love bodily harm so much?

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Pillai and DrainYou are literally bursting in anger over my ability to out debate them and out logic them. Sorry, I will try to be more gentle.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse
-----------------


Ha Ha Ha!


You are such a clown and you reenforce my image of the average GOoPer being nothing but a low IQ reneck who votes against his own well-being because Rush and Hannity told you too.


Keep talking torture, ClownBoy. As a member of the Democratic MAJORITY party, nothing would make me happier than having a full on torture/war crimes investigation, under oath, with a penalty of prison time if convicted.


I'm willing to take my chances because I know how top/down, lockstep the Repuglican party is. The Feds would have to build a whole new prison in DC just to hold all of the newly convicted Republican torture enablers and liars.


Wingnuts, as your hero Shrub Jr said: BRING'EM ON!....the torture investigations that is.


Posted by: DrainYou | May 14, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"And the CIA won't release the memos that Cheney requested - I guess Obama got to them.
Posted by: adlibn | May 14, 2009 4:25 PM | "
---------
That's your problem, you're guessing. The CIA won't release them because they are a part of an ongoing lawsuit.

But hey, don't let little facts get in the way of your nutty conspiracy theories.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Dear Nancy,
Please do not ride past the Texas School Book Depository in an open car any time soon.
Signed,
JFK

Posted by: Amos2 | May 14, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

It is obvious that DDawd is just trolling now. Sad little kid.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

"You won ONE ELECTION IN A ROW. Not to mention that you had the bulk of the MSM praising your messiah daily."

Well, Republicans have won ZERO elections in a row.

0<1

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey, DDawd, showing half the joke wont make sense anywhere. Show the whole joke if you want to understand it in context. Otherwise, DDawd, you look like a little coward.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

"Here is one of the most funny thing about the idiot leftists today. It is in them giving advice to Republicans about how to win national elections.
Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 4:30 PM"
--------
I agree wholeheartedly, keep on doing what you are doing to win elections Repukes!

Stay the course!

18% and shrinking!

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"She am dumb and dishonest.

Posted by: boutros1"

Yup...she am berry dumm

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Ah, yes ... Pelosi towing the Democrat line: We're victims and it's someone else's fault.

Posted by: SCMark | May 14, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Three out of Five DDawd? Go back one more election, eh little fella.

You won ONE ELECTION IN A ROW. Not to mention that you had the bulk of the MSM praising your messiah daily.

And nobody is saying Bush was the highlight. Most Reps say Bush was too centrist on social issues.

So DDawd, dont let facts mess up your little delusions.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Medici from San-Fran.
The House of Reps looks like a
Bordello- Classico.

Posted by: objectivist | May 14, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"Pillai and DrainYou are literally bursting in anger over my ability to out debate them and out logic them. Sorry, I will try to be more gentle."

THe preceding post...

"You are like the guy in sex class that was asked how often you have sex. You were so very excited because it was just once. The teacher was curious why you were so excited."

OMG, so much logic. I can't handle it!

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

WHERE WHERE WHERE are the FRIGGIN DEATHS from waterboarding?????

http://www.thankyoupresidentgeorgewbush.com/

WHERE WHERE WHERE are the bruses? Dislocated arms? Missing Limbs and fingers and eyes and HEADS?????????????????

http://www.thankyoupresidentgeorgewbush.com/

We know the enemy lives here...IE ACLU, SORROS and LIBS.

Pelosi and Reed and Obama will be resposible when a 20 megaton nuke hits NYC from an off shore cargo ship!!!

BRING BUSH BACK or at least THANK HIM for keeping us safe for 8+ years AT:

http://www.thankyoupresidentgeorgewbush.com/

GOD BLESS THE FORMER ADMINISTRATION
GOD BLESS THE WASHINGTON POST
and GOD BLESS the FOUNDING FATHERS!

Posted by: typgwb | May 14, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

WHERE WHERE WHERE are the FRIGGIN DEATHS from waterboarding?????

http://www.thankyoupresidentgeorgewbush.com/

WHERE WHERE WHERE are the bruses? Dislocated arms? Missing Limbs and fingers and eyes and HEADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.thankyoupresidentgeorgewbush.com/

We know the enemy lives here...IE ACLU and SORROS and LIBS.

We need to ACT SOON PEOPLE

Pelosi and Reed and Obama will be resposible when a 20 megaton nuke hits NYC from an oof shore cargo ship!!!

I BLAME them and EVERYONE that voted democRAT

BRING BUSH BACK or at least THANK HIM for keeping us safe for 8+ years AT:

http://www.thankyoupresidentgeorgewbush.com/

GOD BLESS BUSH
GOD BLESS THE WASHINGTON POST
and GOD BLESS the FOUNDING FATHERS!

Posted by: typgwb | May 14, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: typgwb | May 14, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"The record of success for the liberals is that they won ONE NATIONAL ELECTION in a row."

Three out of five. Four out of the last five in popular vote victories.

Averaged 326 EV in that time (meaning no squeakers) 212 for Republicans.

If George Bush represents the high point for conservatism, well, that would be a problem for that movement. At your best, you needed a Supreme Court ruling.

And that's just the election itself.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

She am dumb and dishonest.

Posted by: boutros1 | May 14, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi and Reed and Obama will be resposible when a 20 megaton nuke hits NYC from an oof shore cargo ship!!!

I BLAME them and EVERYONE that voted democRAT

BRING BUSH BACK or at least THANK HIM for keeping us safe for 8+ years AT:

http://www.thankyoupresidentgeorgewbush.com/

GOD BLESS BUSH
GOD BLESS THE WASHINGTON POST
and GOD BLESS the FOUNDING FATHERS!

Posted by: typgwb | May 14, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama, hopey dopey empty suit has these views on torture.

1) He shot three teenage pirates in head.
2) He bombed women and kids surrounding militant targets. Many killed or permanently maimed. FOR LIFE. Permanent damage. Oh well, collateral damage.
3) He sucked out the brains of newborn babies, for political gain. Hmmm, morals? Democrats? Morals.
4) Yeah, right!

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

KMichaels: You're claiming to be defeating "leftists" with facts and logic?

Half of your comments don't even make sense.

Posted by: Overdenkotten | May 14, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Just like her old master, Clinton; Deny, deny, deny. Such liars!
And these clowns control our money, our country and our lives.

Posted by: JerzyBoy1 | May 14, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey, DrainYou, when you stop killing unborn babies, I will pay attention to you leftists discussing morals. Otherwise, I just have to laugh in your general immoral direction. Drill any holes in newborn babies and suck out their brains lately, DrainYou? Huh, morals? Sorry, your side is void of morals. So this has to be a political issue. You want political gain so you think you can use this issue. However, politically, you suck on this issue. Because most Americans support these techniques. Which part dont you get. You lost on the moral issue and you lose on the political aspect. This is not rocket science. Most Americans dont think this is torture.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Correction fellow posters on both sides.

Heres a direct link to Yani's Storm!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrH_oqnrl0

This posting is part of "Need a break from the Republican Attack Machine Campaign?"

Posted by: YeilRaven | May 14, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

We forget that Pelosi was fully aware of and allowed for political purposes Harman to work as an active spy for Israel. To most people that makes someone, Harman, a traitor and Pelosi at best a knowing accomplise.

Posted by: KBlit | May 14, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

This isn't a political issue...


This is a legal/moral issue. We don't torture! period, end of story.


If the Repugs want to defend torture, then by all means, they can have at it.


I can't think of anything that could be more repulsive to a majority of voters than a party that defends torture


I'm loving this moment. Pretty soon it will only be Rush, Beck and Palin in the lounge at the local Applebee's in Alabama rousing the GOPer base of about 20 teabaggers.


The party of Limbaugh (GOP) did this to themselves and now all they lack is a crying towel as they tearfully wave goodbye to the few remaining Reagan Democrats. They primaried out nearly all of their moderates and can't win national election with their extremist base. Good riddance.


It will take decades to undo all the damage they've done to themselves.


Posted by: DrainYou | May 14, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I am sure Nancy Pelosi will make sure she doesn't present her argument that she is taken on the federal bureaucracy such as the senior career bureaucrats at the CIA. She knows all to better rule #1 in DC is Never Take on the 'Non-Partisan' Federal Bureaucracy. If anything, rely on the standard protocol of Democrats-vs-Republicans as a distraction when trying to divert focus from follies and corruption of the entrenched bureaucracy.

Posted by: AD11 | May 14, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I like the "Need a break from the Republican Attack Machine Campaign?" :-D

Lets help Senator Ted Kennedy reach 100,000 views on Youtube. Hes doing better then the most bands on Youtube with his number one hit!

Senator Ted Kennedy sings in public AGAIN!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdl86KNkt_M

This song is for all the Out numbered Democrats Posting Here! Lets court everyone with ...

Yanni - The Storm
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=the+storm&aq=f

Yanni is amazing right! Beware Republican Drudge Drones of Yani's Storm!


Posted by: YeilRaven | May 14, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Leftists do get angry if you correct them with the facts. Pillai and DrainYou are literally bursting in anger over my ability to out debate them and out logic them. Sorry, I will try to be more gentle.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey, whining Democrats. Until you vote Green, or Socialist, you're still enablers.

Posted by: SocraticGadfly | May 14, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

This woman and the rest of the Dem leadership is a joke. It pains me to see them tearing down of our country. She is a liar with no values other than the unyeilding desire for power and control. I voted for this president and now wish I hadn't. In my book is has already done enough damage to be deemed a failure in just 100 days. Case in point. You pick judges to adhere to the law not make it. Your are not a leader if all you do is Sh#t on prior leaders. I will NEVER vote Dem again!

Posted by: kevin48 | May 14, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Ok, again, a note on the boldness of the leftists bragging about winning elections.

YOU WON ONE ELECTION IN A ROW.

ONE.

One election with 90% of the MSM on your team. And you won by a just a little.

ONE.

You are like the guy in sex class that was asked how often you have sex. You were so very excited because it was just once. The teacher was curious why you were so excited.

You answered, tonight is the night.

So, tonight is your night. Big deal. Barney must be happy. But it is still just once a year, so don't be smug and don't pretend to be capable of giving advice about your prowess.

ONE just does not make it a pattern. Blahhhh!

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

She probably just has dementia. Why are they hounding this helpless old lady?

Oh yeah, because she is the Speaker of the House and has recently been participating in a smear campaign against the people who were getting their hands dirty committing the "war crimes" that she was merely supervising.

Posted by: RezkoLot | May 14, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

feel like we should treat these dems like one would a pup when it wets the floor...Stupid libs, Stupid, Stupid libs. Does Argentina or Costa Rica have any property for sale? I'm almost outta here. Let the liberal nutjobs have it and flush our once glorious country down the toilet.

Posted by: kmocu89
---------------------------

Seriously? Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Don't give us a false hope about raising the average IQ in this country.

Posted by: Pillai | May 14, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

@KMichaels,
Kiss my white as*s you little fearmongering right-wing lunatic fringer!

Posted by: DrainYou | May 14, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

For Pillai, the very slow learner and the very poor reader. I explained how it worked. My version is backed up by CIA, FBI and your leftist friends at LA Times.

If you cant read, ask mommy for assistance.

A correction on the leftist claim that no plan to attack California was broken up after terrorist Mohammed was waterboarded.

Here is the correct time line.

1) Plan for Alqaeda to attack western target was broken up before Mohammed was captured. This part is correct. If was the first time this plan was broken up.

2) Mohammed, AFTER being waterboarded, confessed to turning over keys to western target being attacked to his asian counterpart, the guy that did the Bali bombings. The asian team had up to two years to plan, after Mohammed turned over the keys to them.

3) After Mohammed confessed to the new plan the FBI went to California government and warned them of the new threat of being attacked (this time by the asian branch of Alqaeda)

4) AFTER Mohammed confessed AFTER being waterboarded, the leader of the asian branch of Alqaeda was tracked down and captured.

5) Both CIA and FBI confirm this time line. It is also written about in the leftist LA Times.

Posted by: KMichaels
------------------------------

Hey dude, you do not have to repeat the same post. That, you need do to to help your half brained fellow party members in here, flopping around like a fish out of the water, when challenged intellectually.

Oh yeah, sure it is backed up. Were you there? Or because you say so? Come up with the sources/links. Then we can talk.

Else go back to watching 24 with your mommy.

Posted by: Pillai | May 14, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou, typical leftist troll. Go figure. You are as much value to humanity is another case of swine flu.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I feel like we should treat these dems like one would a pup when it wets the floor...Stupid libs, Stupid, Stupid libs. Does Argentina or Costa Rica have any property for sale? I'm almost outta here. Let the liberal nutjobs have it and flush our once glorious country down the toilet.

Posted by: kmocu89 | May 14, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Just like everything else they touched, BushCo promoted CIA officials who are Professional Liars


Remember, this was during the era of Porter Goss and the CIA sex and bribery scandal that swept out W's appointees.


Now the GOP (Boehner) is trying to redeem these guys. How did Goss avoid prison? Plea bargain? And now he is shocked that anyone would imply they were deceitful?


Cheney is going down!


Its starting to happen. After all of those war protest marches, it's starting to happen. We all knew these guys were comitting war crimes. Cheney can go on all the tee vee shows he wants to claim he saved the country from another attack, but it won't matter.


Cheney is going down! And he's taking the GOP with him.

Posted by: DrainYou | May 14, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

We should give practical demonstrations to Speaker Pelosi. Strap her down. Drown her in Starkist tuna juice. Let Donald Rumsfeld and Cheney revive her.

Posted by: howardhofelich | May 14, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The United States military has been waterboarding SEALS and naval aviators in Survival Evasion and Resistance Escape (SERE) training for the past 30 -40 years...whats the big deal. Its good for a man to know his release point. Politicians make me puke.

Posted by: howardhofelich | May 14, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

For Pillai, the very slow learner and the very poor reader. I explained how it worked. My version is backed up by CIA, FBI and your leftist friends at LA Times.

If you cant read, ask mommy for assistance.

A correction on the leftist claim that no plan to attack California was broken up after terrorist Mohammed was waterboarded.

Here is the correct time line.

1) Plan for Alqaeda to attack western target was broken up before Mohammed was captured. This part is correct. If was the first time this plan was broken up.

2) Mohammed, AFTER being waterboarded, confessed to turning over keys to western target being attacked to his asian counterpart, the guy that did the Bali bombings. The asian team had up to two years to plan, after Mohammed turned over the keys to them.

3) After Mohammed confessed to the new plan the FBI went to California government and warned them of the new threat of being attacked (this time by the asian branch of Alqaeda)

4) AFTER Mohammed confessed AFTER being waterboarded, the leader of the asian branch of Alqaeda was tracked down and captured.

5) Both CIA and FBI confirm this time line. It is also written about in the leftist LA Times.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"The Obama administration has made no secret of the fact that they would prefer not to spend time looking back at what happened under President George W. Bush"

Are you kidding me?

This administration has done nothing but focus on the actions of the Bush administration, blaming it for everything but Cain's slaying of Abel.

Posted by: polonius1 | May 14, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Again, I have the need to correct more leftist lies.

1) Waterboarding is not torture.
2) You claim the higher moral ground.
3) You drill holes into the heads of newborn babies and suck out their brains.
4) Obviously you have no moral grounds.
5) This is about political grounds.
6) Most of America supports waterboarding.
7) Therefore, you lose on the moral grounds and you lose on the political grounds.
8) Three waterboarded terrorists that killed 3000 Americans are alive and well, that must make you idiot leftists happy.
9) Obama shot three teenage pirates in the head. That must make you feel odd, or happy, or conflicted, or I dont really care what you feel because you have no brains, no heart, no morals, no integrity, no consistency and no legs to stand on.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Utter lies. And panic. Rich, creamy, froth-coated panic. As only a twitchy, prevaricating liberal can produce. Nice work! The first flush usually catches in the flowpipe, so I'm waiting to see if the second flush does the trick. We're half way there, O my Brothers!

Posted by: mdk1960 | May 14, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

A correction on the leftist claim that no plan to attack California was broken up after terrorist Mohammed was waterboarded.

Here is the correct time line.

1) Plan for Alqaeda to attack western target was broken up before Mohammed was captured. This part is correct. If was the first time this plan was broken up.

2) Mohammed, after being waterboarded, confessed to turning over keys to western target being attacked to his asian counterpart, the guy that did the Bali bombings. The asian team had up to two years to plan, after Mohammed turned over the keys to them.

3) After Mohammed confessed to the new plan the FBI went to California government and warned them of the new threat of being attacked (this time by the asian branch of Alqaeda)

4) After Mohammed confessed after being waterboarded, the leader of the asian branch of Alqaeda was tracked down and captured.

5) Both CIA and FBI confirm this time line. It is also written about in the leftist LA Times.

Posted by: KMichaels
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Well - lets review, since you atleast come up with the best response to the rather blaise argument 'torture works because LA is still standing..'

1. The plot members for the Library Tower were 4. The leader, Masran bin Arshad, was captured 13 months before we got KSM.

2.Of the remaining three, only one knew how to fly a plane. He, Zaini Zakaria surrendered to the Malaysian authorities in Dec 2002 - he said he has a young family to consider before killing himself. This is still 3 months before KSM was captured.

3. The remaining two, Muhammed Bin Lep and Mohd Bin Amin, who didn't know anything about flying a plane, conclusively thought the plan was called off, as they went on to create further destruction in Jakarta Marriott bombing, under Hambali.

4.Think they would have the time or ability to concentrate on two major ops, in different parts of the world? Also, Bin Lep confessed (they were captured and sent to G'bay Cuba) in Oct 2003 that the plan was assumed cancelled when the only pilot surrendered to authorities.

So - tell me now, how did any info got from waterboarding KSM save the Library Tower?

Posted by: Pillai | May 14, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

pdxgeek said - "5. (This could also be point #1) By torturing we endanger American POWs, as our enemies will treat us in the manner which they feel their prisoners are treated."

Question: Name ONE American POW who has been held ALIVE by Al Queda or the Taliban. Your time starts now and you have the rest of your life to come up with the answer.

Posted by: metalmaniac | May 14, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Correction on yet another wacky drindl lie. He states (lies) that conservatives are obsessed with food. Actually, we just kindly ask why leftists insist that they control exactly what food Americans want to eat. It is a simple question. Why are you the controller of what is on our menu. You insist that we don't tell you not to kill your babies in the privacy of your own home (totally evil and selfish on our part) but it is ok for you to control what radio we hear, what food we eat, etc. And if you cant control it one way you insist upon adding more taxes to it, for those that want to purchase it. You want more taxes on food, beer, smokes, soda pop, energy, coal, kids, working people, inheritances, homes, roads, cars. Heck, what you cant control one way you want to tax another. So pardon our boldness but kindly go away. Let me choose my own menu. Thanks.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

pdxgeek, why don't you jump too?

I know your communications guy Joey Goebbels believed that if you tell a lie long enough, that it eventually becomes the truth - but not here, at least not yet.

Posted by: mwscott1999 | May 14, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

pdxgeek:

Please forgive us for not reading through all your babble as well : )

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi as been a disgrace - for a long, long, long time - this latest incident is just the icing on her crazy cake - wake up California - get rid of her once and for all.
Pelosi does not have a clue - is not a statesperson - just as Obama is not a statesman and does not have a clue - he changes his stories daily - so Pelsoi figures it is fine to change hers. Obama is just moving along on his agenda - he has no idea what the results might be - Pelosi moved along and had no idea of what the results of her lies might be - same person - different gender.

Posted by: raltiere | May 14, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

OhYeahBabe:

I am "almost" ready to accept a compromise and allow taxpayer-funded abortions for mothers who are registered Democrats only ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Disputes over food-label claims are always political. But the current, insane iteration of the American right has walked several steps past the crazy line with its collective reaction to the Food and Drug Administration's demand that General Mills (GIS) tone down its health claims for Cheerios.

"It's fairly obvious to me why the Obama administration is going after Cheerios over possible deceptive advertising," says the Deadenders blog. "Babies love them more then him."

"This is the kind of irritating, intrusive nonsense that makes people weary of their government and every smarmy bureaucratic microbe in it," writes David Crocker of the Behind Blue Lines blog.

The FDA wants General Mills to reel back its claim that Cheerios can "lower your cholesterol 4 percent in 6 weeks." Such a claim is not backed up by science, according to a letter sent to the company by the FDA. The agency says that General Mills is making claims for its cereal that more properly, and according to federal law, should apply only to drugs designed to cure disease. The claims amount to a "serious violation" of laws governing label claims, according to the letter.

That's true, of course. But it hasn't stopped critics from characterizing the situation as President Obama yet again attacking a venerable American institution. Never mind that Obama almost certainly had no idea that his FDA was planning to go after Cheerios.

Food seems to be a common theme among crazy conservatives. For them, wholesome, "American" foods are a-OK. Eurocommie foods are right out. "Washington raised ciggie taxes to pay for SCHIP expansion and are [sic] gearing up to raise soda taxes to pay for Obamacare," writes the reliably nutty Michelle Malkin. "No vice is safe from the health police. Dijon mustard and arugula exempted, of course."

"So I guess now the Communist-in-Chief will declare a War on Cereal," rants Ed Anger of the Weekly World News, proving the increasing irrelevance of old-school parody. You can't tell it from the real thing.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I love how detailed these right wingnuts get about the processes that they didn't see happen.

1. If you do _BLANK_ to somebody in an adversarial manner until they say whatever it is you want them to say to make you stop... that is torture.

2. Even if torture did produce actionable intelligence... its still immoral

3. Other interrogation methods are more effective than torture

4. Even if they weren't... torture is still immoral

5. (This could also be point #1) By torturing we endanger American POWs, as our enemies will treat us in the manner which they feel their prisoners are treated.

6. (And please forgive me for not reading through all your babble) We are pulling people off the streets, some of them are completely innocent and subjecting them to these methods. They are not charged, they have no representation. Applying a label like "Enemy Combatant" should not be a way to disappear a human from the rights which we have established by treaty and international law.

Posted by: pdxgeek | May 14, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Here is one of the most funny thing about the idiot leftists today. It is in them giving advice to Republicans about how to win national elections.

The record of success for the liberals is that they won ONE NATIONAL ELECTION in a row.

So now, being the grand pubas of winning elections, based on their record of having won one election in a row, they feel it necessary to give you advice.

And their advice? Give up all morals, all thought of goodness, and become hateful anti-God heathens just like themselves.

Ahem, thanks, but no thanks. What conservatives do during the off years is continue to thrive personally. I did well under Carter, Bush, Clinton, Bush and am doing well personally under Obama.

We survive because we dont count on government being our only source of income.

Now, please, leftists, tell us again about your great winning record of one in a row. That must have made you very proud. YAWN.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

If the botox has frozen her brain 1/4 as much as it has frozen her face, she can't remember a thing about being briefed.

Finger wagging at the tv screen: "I did not have CIA briefings on waterboarding". Yeah, and Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman either.

Posted by: ac7880 | May 14, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Speaker Pelosi should be waterboarded to get the real story!

Posted by: AverageAmericanMichelle | May 14, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Jake and the Americans-THANKS for the laughs! I must race the bank's clock....May we meet again to slay the thoughts of the tiny brained cheap scum thieving fascist traitor murder pig democrats!! Keep up the good work! Peace (through Victory!)

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Nancy Pants knows how to frog march?

Posted by: mwscott1999 |
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Well, if she has to, she can always tape Cheney/Bush/Gonzales/Addington etc..

Posted by: Pillai | May 14, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Got to love Queen Nancy. Let's see she rammed a budget through Congress where the AIG bonuses were included prior to castigating the greed of execs...She is told about the interrogation tactics about which she says she was never informed...But she is brilliant in her own mind about what it takes to "fix" education. Perhaps she ought to either read legislation prior to voting or listen when she is in meetings... Both skills are taught in elementary schools.I sure wish we had more heroes like her, Frank, Dodd Reid,and Murtha to look up to. What a collection to lead America "forward" into the Carter 1970's.

Posted by: bz11 | May 14, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Forget who knew what, and when did they know about torture! My big take away was "Politics are more important than National Security". Her saying that was like the Col. Jessup Scene in the movie a Few Good Men.

" *You’re Goddamned right I did!*"

http://conservativelibertine.blogspot.com/2009/05/politics-are-more-important-than.html

ConservativeLibertine
http://conservativelibertine.blogspot.com/

Posted by: conservativelibertine | May 14, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

It's still amazing to me how easily liberals lie and change their story to fit the situation. Pelosi has now changed her story - what, at least three times in the last two weeks. Has anyone asked the other congressmen at the briefings if the CIA lied to them? Or maybe the CIA only lied to Pelosi but told the truth to everyone else. Yeah, that's the ticket.

And the CIA won't release the memos that Cheney requested - I guess Obama got to them. If the memos supported Obama's argument they would not hesitate to release them, so it's safe to assume that they support Cheney.

Posted by: adlibn | May 14, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

A correction on the leftist claim that no plan to attack California was broken up after terrorist Mohammed was waterboarded.

Here is the correct time line.

1) Plan for Alqaeda to attack western target was broken up before Mohammed was captured. This part is correct. If was the first time this plan was broken up.

2) Mohammed, after being waterboarded, confessed to turning over keys to western target being attacked to his asian counterpart, the guy that did the Bali bombings. The asian team had up to two years to plan, after Mohammed turned over the keys to them.

3) After Mohammed confessed to the new plan the FBI went to California government and warned them of the new threat of being attacked (this time by the asian branch of Alqaeda)

4) After Mohammed confessed after being waterboarded, the leader of the asian branch of Alqaeda was tracked down and captured.

5) Both CIA and FBI confirm this time line. It is also written about in the leftist LA Times.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

My view of Pelosi is that she is one lucky break away from being the crazy cat lady down the street.And if any one out their come across Mr.Pelosi please get him a hug for me that poor man.

Posted by: JMBZ | May 14, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I have a parting thought for all conservative posters on this board. I'd consider re-thinking the conservative position against abortion. If practiced more widely, it may have prevented us from having to listen to the likes of Pillai and drindl.

Posted by: OhYeahBabe | May 14, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

If it is something the leftist Anti-Americans do not want to hear, they call it a lie (they lie about it). THen blame the lie on somebody else.
You are just too much Pillali. Keep protecting your Idiot Pelosi. She's been degrading the country for years. We wouldn't want to stop that now,m would we?

Posted by: DavidJ3 | May 14, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey drindl: JUMP! We can use a little more overdegreed-undereducated-illiterati blood in the water, because the sharks are coming, and they are _always_ hungry.

Posted by: mwscott1999 | May 14, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Well, Pillai, you've got me there. You're absolutely right (I mean correct... right is a dirty word). I've seen the error of my ways. From now on I'll only use one piece of toilet paper when I wipe my butt, I'll stop eating oranges because flying them up North is destroying the polar bears, I'll give up eating meat and wearing leather, I'll support killing all beef cattle because their poop emits methane and build my next house out of paper mache made from recycled paper. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to turn off my laptop because I'm consuming electricity (I have to leave enough for Al Gore's palatial mansion) and go take some medicinal marijuana for the headache I now have from trying to reason with well-meaning but ignorant fools like you.

Posted by: OhYeahBabe
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Yeah, I guess when you are so much smarter than 99% of world's preeminent scientists, your brain does tend to give you some headaches.

Go lie down - it should soon pass.

Posted by: Pillai | May 14, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 at 4:09pm.... Look, here I shall explain how you are unAmerican- even if you ARE correct in your assertion there is no god: People have the right to believe as their consciences dictate, as long as they are not infringing on the rights of others. You are proposing to do just that. If a person is peacefully exercising their belief system, and you come destroy the peace with your garbage- YOU are the criminal. Now- I shall explain something to you. YOU are free to not believe, according to man- not all men- just the USA. In Islam you would either be decapitated or have your balls cut off so you can serve the women. Anyway- maybe the day will come, while still alive, to be given proof that there is God, who created everything. Count yourself lucky, if so. If not, and you go to the end as a criminal (see above) piece of garbage, and there IS GOD, well, um... wouldn't want to be ya! I have proof for me that God IS. But what can I do to convince you? You do not even want to believe in your own constitution- why waste my time?

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Well, Pelosi is going to single handily give the republicans their battle cry for 2010. Watch the democrats start avoiding her. Talk about toxic waste!!!! WHO CAN TRUST HER NOW??
What a disgrace .. and, comes across as being intellectually challenged!!

Posted by: wheeljc | May 14, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse


"Obviously you believe in God. I thought Obama was your messiah. I think it is Hilarious that you can't answer a question directly and again you resort to personal attacks. You do this, because you are the one who is uneducated and you are not able to form your own opinion. I resent that my husband works hard, so our tax dollars can keep your ass on the doll! You have made my day. We are reading your comments and laughing. Thanks, I needed a good laugh."

Let's have a contest! Who'll be the first to identify how many misspelled words, redundancies, nonsensical phrasings, and grammatical errors?

Where do they find these people? Some thirdworld country?

My favorite is "your ass on the doll." Precious, really.

Oh yeah, and your posts have all been grammatically correct. I thought you were a liberal? Why would you make fun of someone who is from a third world country? That is not very nice of you. I thought you were supposed to take up for those who can't take up for themselves.

Posted by: mando1975 | May 14, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

starvingactor:

You didn't miss much ("drindl" is back, assisting "chrisfox8" who seems to have forgotten he refused to answer my hypothetical questions not so long ago). Good luck with that one (two?).

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I didn't even know there were this many illiterate, truly moronic people in the whole country, let alone just on Drudge.

Wow -- obviously there is something wrong with the school system -- nah, I think they had to have been just born this way. Sad.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

A word of advice for the leftists that like to give advice. If the other party despises pretty much everything you stand for, you asking them to become more like you is blatantly stupid. And your rationale for your boldness is that you won one election in a row. Sorry folk. You may want to get caught up in the MSM playing lapdog and thinking that you have the entire future of all elections wrapped up because you managed to win ONE IN A ROW, is about as retarded and juvenile as you can get.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't work? If waterboarding does not work, then why is Los Angeles still on the map?
The article is about Pelosi lying about what she knew and when she knew it. Keep spinning, libs!

Posted by: DavidJ3
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How about you keep lying, cons..

In a February 9, 2006, White House press briefing, Bush homeland security adviser Frances Fragos Townsend noted that Mohammed was not captured until more than a year after the individuals planning the Library Tower attacks had concluded that the plot had been "canceled."

Also,in a May 23, 2007, Bush administration fact sheet stated that the administration "broke up" the Library Tower plot "in 2002" -- before Mohammed was captured.

So if we waterboarded KSM in 2003, when he was captured, that must have been a terrible waste of water.

Get your facts straight, before you start parroting lies. And stop watching too many episodes of 24. That is just a freakin show.

Posted by: Pillai | May 14, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I think we have ask ourselves how dumb is Nancy Pelosi. If you think the daughter of a politician, smart enough to marry a millionaire, and graduate of Georgetown University is dumb you might be surprised. She could have let this flap blow over a few weeks ago and taken her lumps but she has doubled down. She has to know she will no be able to bluff her way out of this so she must have some aces in the hole. If I was Dick Cheney I would be getting real nervous about my hand. With a Democrat in the Justice Department you can be sure no one from the CIA is going to perjure themselves. So if the Cheney or George Tenient told the staff to not fully brief Congress this is a major violation of the law and hard to ignore. I do not think Pelosi is going take it this far if she does not have the goods to deliver. If I am wrong then she is really stupid but I don’t think she got where she is by being stupid.

Posted by: bradcpa | May 14, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:

I am "shilling" for the American Independent Party, which I have been a member of since 1968 (see the "TEA Party" thread).

http://www.aipca.org/

Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Well, Pillai, you've got me there. You're absolutely right (I mean correct... right is a dirty word). I've seen the error of my ways. From now on I'll only use one piece of toilet paper when I wipe my butt, I'll stop eating oranges because flying them up North is destroying the polar bears, I'll give up eating meat and wearing leather, I'll support killing all beef cattle because their poop emits methane and build my next house out of paper mache made from recycled paper. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to turn off my laptop because I'm consuming electricity (I have to leave enough for Al Gore's palatial mansion) and go take some medicinal marijuana for the headache I now have from trying to reason with well-meaning but ignorant fools like you.

Posted by: OhYeahBabe | May 14, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"Obviously you believe in God. I thought Obama was your messiah. I think it is Hilarious that you can't answer a question directly and again you resort to personal attacks. You do this, because you are the one who is uneducated and you are not able to form your own opinion. I resent that my husband works hard, so our tax dollars can keep your ass on the doll! You have made my day. We are reading your comments and laughing. Thanks, I needed a good laugh."

Let's have a contest! Who'll be the first to identify how many misspelled words, redundancies, nonsensical phrasings, and grammatical errors?

Where do they find these people? Some thirdworld country?

My favorite is "your ass on the doll." Precious, really.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jake- Golly that confused me a minute- my phone rang, and I read while talking- I hope that is why- but hte 3;47 one I thought was begining as a quoting of me a minute- then I thought OK someone is impersonating Jake- but I get it finally- youwere showing me what a mixed up wack job hysterical twerplet cheap scum thieving fascist traitor murder piglet foxdrindl8chris is! hahahaha sorry about that... once i hung up and looked again, I got it...So what have I missed? Any good American Zingers? Or just communist drivel?

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

This reminds me of the time right after 9/11 when Senator Tom Daschle was complaining of the "secret government locations" and how he did not know about them. Finally someone asked him if he had not read the bills before he voted on them and oh by the way where do you think you were taken on 9/11? He shut up about it after that. I think the lady protests too much.

Posted by: llpetrou | May 14, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, misleading the Congress of the United States, misleading the Congress of the United States. I am." ..... Sam I am, I am misleading the Congress of the United States, misleading them I am. So I am accusing everyone else of everything, I am yes I am and I am Sam I am.

What an inane idiot the speaker of the house is.

Posted by: ac7880 | May 14, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Mr Full Bore scores a bulls eye!

Posted by: mwscott1999 | May 14, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Fools!

Most of these comments are asinine! Stop being drones for your team. Our elected officials have turned their backs on the American citizenry and are consolidating their own power. Napoleon I was first a hero before he became a tyrant, as the Roman numeral after his name can attest. Defend the Constitution and deny any who would try to change our great nation. Get these elected scumbags out of office, and quit trying to defend their actions!
It is better to flatter a fool than to fight him...

Posted by: mrfulbore | May 14, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

pdxgeek, using the opinion of a single interrogator who was against the interrogation techniques BEFORE they were even used is not particularly convincing. There is NO DEBATE on this point. The waterboarding of these three scum produced actionable intelligence that Obama's own intelligence people have admitted was REAL (i.e. not a "false confession") and a REAL terorrist plot was thwarted as a result. REAL lives were saved. Would other techniques have worked over a long period of time? I don't know. Maybe. Please describe the real techniques that you have in mind and validate them with real results. The problem with this handwringing is that it is largely a theoretical practice while terrorists exist in the real world. When these barbarians set out to destroy as many innocent lives as possible they sacrifice their right to be treated as POW's. As far as your allegations as to the Bush administrations intentions to secure false confessions to tie Al Queda to Iraq, PUUUUUHHHLEASE. That is tin foil hat lunacy. The CIA interrogators who conducted these interrogations are CAREER intelligence operatives, not politicians. They only wanted the White House to cover their backs while they did everything in their power to defeat the terrorists and protect American lives. For that, we make them out to be monsters and sadists. Now, answer my hypothetical. What are the limits of the techniques you would use to save the lives of your children? Would you waterboard or not?

As to the Japanese soldiers being prosecuted for waterboarding during WWII, what a load of nonsense. The Japanese were prosecuted for doing far worse things (hacking off body parts, using POW's for target practice, methodical starvation, medical experimentation, etc.) to UNIFORMED POW's. Oh yeah, they waterboarded prisoners for hours on end (not 20 second intervals) until the prisoners ACTUALLY drowned. They DIDN'T have a physician on hand to monitor the physical and psychological discomfort of the person being interrogated, as the CIA did for the ONLY 3 inhuman scum that this EIT was performed upon. Saying that the Japanese were prosecuted for "waterboarding" is like saying that John Wayne Gacy was prosecuted for violating the building code for burying his victim's bodies in the basement.

Posted by: MildlyAmused | May 14, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

ChrisFox sounds like a juvenile, then makes fun of the mental age of others. Funny kid he is.

He also tends to twist the issue into his own juvenile words. Which he thinks makes him look smarter than he is.

But, on to his question about a higher intelligence. Of course, he being crass and thoughtless would make fun of the concept and call it some sky spirit or cosmic magical whatever.

But the reality is that most Americans think of God more as a wise parent like figure.

==

I don't care what bloody metaphor you use. The idea is completely ridiculous and belongs in the ancient past.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

This is a hockey fight between House Speaker Nancy Pelosi vs House Minority Leader John Boehner.

House Minority Leader John Boehner meet House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's Hockey Team

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1-25s4uwFQ

Bread and Butter Issue we care about right now!

For everyone who care about the credit card issue heres you invite to Tappers Political Punch blog which is covering ...

Obama Pitches Credit Card Reform
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Need a break from the Republican Attack Machine? ...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMH0bHeiRNg

There is more to life then Republican Politics!

Democrats, Obamcans and Independents have a life! Join us!

Posted by: cooday | May 14, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

PDXGEEK writes:
"...Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage (Who is such an idiot he got banned from England!), Bill O'Riley, Ann Coulter, Dick Cheney, Glen Beck, Sean Hannity"

Posted by: pdxgeek | May 14, 2009 3:58 PM


PDX, Appears you have some insecurity issues. Hate maybe? BTW (by the way) What's your claim to fame?


Posted by: number1write | May 14, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8,

Obviously you believe in God. I thought Obama was your messiah. I think it is Hilarious that you can't answer a question directly and again you resort to personal attacks. You do this, because you are the one who is uneducated and you are not able to form your own opinion. I resent that my husband works hard, so our tax dollars can keep your ass on the doll! You have made my day. We are reading your comments and laughing. Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

Posted by: mando1975 | May 14, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Where is the CIA's Sidney Gottleib when you really need him? Different era, different values, etc. That lying witch needs to have her mind expanded or someone to give her a L-pill. Actually the whole democratic leadership needs a prescription before they completely turn us socialist, same goes for the media.

Posted by: kirby1776 | May 14, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Nancy Pants knows how to frog march?

Posted by: mwscott1999 | May 14, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"As I said, with members like these, Republican party needs no enemies."

Well said, they are determined to sink it -- and they will.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

ChrisFox sounds like a juvenile, then makes fun of the mental age of others. Funny kid he is.

He also tends to twist the issue into his own juvenile words. Which he thinks makes him look smarter than he is.

But, on to his question about a higher intelligence. Of course, he being crass and thoughtless would make fun of the concept and call it some sky spirit or cosmic magical whatever.

But the reality is that most Americans think of God more as a wise parent like figure. So, the real question is do some believe in the possibility of a wise parent like figure, with higher intelligence than ours, that might exist, and might care for those he created in his own image.

Yes, I believe it very logical. I have studied science for most of my life. I understand the parent child relationship of many life forms. Each child becoming like their parent.

So, how hard to believe that a higher intelligence exists in an infinite universe of infinite possibilities is an easy question. Not that hard at all.

I guess it depends on the likelyhood of an infinite universe producing a being capable of seeding another world. I have the ability to spread my seed. Not really that difficult. I find it a pleasant task. So, seeding another planet for an extra intelligent being just does not strike be as odd or out of the natural realm of possibilities.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

@JakeD,
So, you're just an angry old white guy who shills for the Rethug party on the computer all day long? I'm shocked!...not.


PS - "Good little christians" don't flat out lie and call themselves "registered Independents" when their beloved Republican party goes down the crapper, like you do.


Posted by: DrainYou | May 14, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

pdxgeek:

Contrary to MSNBC hosts who are afraid of bugs, water and their own shadows, waterboarding was most definitely not a "war crime" for which the Japanese were prosecuted after World War II -- no matter how many times Mrs. Jonathan Turley, professor of cooking at George Washington University, says so.

All MSNBC hosts and guests were apparently reading "Little Women" rather than military books as children and therefore can be easily fooled about Japanese war crimes. (MSNBC: The Official Drama Queen Network of the 2012 Olympics.)

Given what the Japanese did to prisoners, waterboarding would be a reward for good behavior.

It might be: waterboarding PLUS amputating the prisoner's healthy arm, or waterboarding PLUS killing the prisoner. But waterboarding on the order of what we did at Guantanamo would be a reward in a Japanese POW camp.

To claim that the Japanese -- architects of the Bataan Death March -- were prosecuted for "waterboarding" would be like saying Ted Bundy was executed for engaging in sexual harassment.

What the Japanese did to their POWs made even the Nazis blanch. The Japanese routinely beheaded and bayoneted prisoners; forced prisoners to dig their own graves and then buried them alive; amputated prisoners' healthy arms and legs, one by one, for sport; force-fed prisoners dry rice and then filled their stomachs with water until their bowels exploded; and injected them with chemical weapons in order to observe, time and record their death throes before dumping them in mass graves.

While only 4 percent of British and American troops captured by German or Italian forces died in captivity, 27 percent of British and American POWs captured by the Japanese died in captivity. Japanese war crimes were so atrocious that even rape was treated as only a secondary war crime in the Tokyo trial, similar to what happens during an R. Kelly trial.

The Japanese "water cure" was to "waterboarding" as practiced at Guantanamo what rape at knifepoint is to calling your secretary "honey."

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

(cont.)

The Japanese version of "waterboarding" was to fill the prisoner's stomach with water until his stomach was distended -- and then pound on his stomach, causing the prisoner to vomit.

Or they would jam a stick into the prisoner's nose so he could breathe only through his mouth and then pour water in his mouth so he would choke to death.

Or they would "waterboard" the prisoner with saltwater, which would kill him.

Meanwhile, the alleged "torture" under the Bush administration consists of things like:

-- "failing to respect a Serbian national holiday"; or

-- "forgetting to wear plastic gloves while handling a Quran."

Finding out who started the tall tale about "waterboarding" being treated as a war crime after World War II would take the talents of a forensic historian, someone like Christina Hoff Sommers.

After years of hearing the feminist "fact" that emergency room admissions for women beaten by their husbands soared by 40 percent on Super Bowl Sundays, Sommers traced it back to an unsubstantiated rumination erupting from a feminist rap session.

But the lunatic claim was passed around with increasing credibility until it ended up being cited as hard fact in The New York Times, The Boston Globe and on "Good Morning America."

One of the earliest entries in the "waterboarding as war crimes" myth must be this October 2006 article in The Washington Post, citing a case raised by Sen. Teddy Kennedy -- and heaven knows Kennedy understands the horrors of a near-drowning:

"Twenty-one years earlier, in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk."

Even if that description of what Asano did were true -- and it isn't -- the only relevant word in the entire paragraph is "civilian."

Any mistreatment of a civilian is a war crime. So every other part of that paragraph is utterly irrelevant to the treatment of prisoners of war, much less non-uniformed enemy combatants at Guantanamo, who could have been shot on sight under the laws of war.

What Americans need to understand is that under liberals' own "laws of war," they will invent apocryphal incidents from history in order to give aid and comfort to America's enemies and to undermine those who kept us safe for the past eight years.

http://anncoulter.com/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=311

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Steny is measuring for new drapes in the speaker's offices, as I have NO doubt that he is highly entertained by this recent turn of events. Now if Chuck Shumer can just join her, that would be priceless.

Posted by: mwscott1999 | May 14, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

RE: "President Obama needs to stop his fellow democrats from lying so much." Unfortunately impossible to do, it is somehow built into their genetic code.

Posted by: sniper609 | May 14, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

pillai- nobody is PREVENTING your free speech. Just because they would arrest you for calling in cocaine orders is not our problem! hahaha criminal trash! And twenty thousand gun laws- yet hardly any law ENFORCING- they fire prosecutors (dems do) who prosecute gun criminals... I am so tired of talking to you tiny brained hypnotized hysterical twerplets...

Posted by: starvingactor |
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And one more thing - the real reason I called you stupid. I mentioned 4th Amendment, about illegal wiretaps, etc and you come up with Right to Free Speech. And that would be the..1st Amendment.

Go read up on the Constiution of this country dude. Remember there are other amendments besides your precious 2nd.

As I said, with members like these, Republican party needs no enemies.

Posted by: Pillai | May 14, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I am not going to answer your questions to me.

Posted by: JakeD

==

Well if I were so addled that as an adult I still believed in spirits I wouldn't want to admit it either.

Hahhaha Jake believes in "God." You believe in ghosts too? Hahahahah idiot

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

There's probably a lot of B&D in the 8th CA District.. maybe she's just grown numb to torture.

Posted by: newbeeboy | May 14, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to see cheney's as* in prison.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 3:51 PM

That's quite a statement there drindl.
Would seeing Cheney's as* be an erotic experience?

Posted by: StewieG | May 14, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Again, all for political gain. It is bad enough that you give up some of your own freedom for more security but how evil must you be to give up security of your country for more personal gain. Obama and Pelosi are two of a kind. They both lie for personal gain and they are both willing to give up national security for personal gain.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse
____________________

Wow, KMichaels knows how to cut and paste talking points from his leader Druggy Rush...


A Wingnut with good computer skills, I'm impressed!

Posted by: DrainYou | May 14, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

pdxgeek:

For all you say you oppose torture and murder, your actions, words and beliefs wind up supporting it. Waterboarding was used to try and find the nasty folks who beheaded Daniel Pearl and posted the video on the internet. It was used to go after leaders of the Taliban who took over Afghanistan (the Taliban leaders aren't native Afghans) and shot and tortured women who dared go out in public without a burka, men and women who dared sing and dance at a wedding, or people who dared to teach young girls how to read and write after schools for girls were outlawed. THESE are the people you're defending. You're an ignorant hypocrite if you attempt to compare the US Army or CIA's methods with those of people who send children into crowded bazaars as suicide bombers. Life is often violent but even war has rules or civilization becomes consumed by anarchy. There are people who ignore those rules of humanity and willingly cross the line established by society in order to sow terror, murder and mayhem in the furtherance of their radical cause. When they engage in these barbaric acts they forfeit their rights to be treated like the rest of us. You're a fool for trying to protect them.

Posted by: OhYeahBabe | May 14, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Dontcha just love the smell of an unhinged hypocritical liberal's blood in the water?

Posted by: mwscott1999 | May 14, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

pillai- nobody is PREVENTING your free speech. Just because they would arrest you for calling in cocaine orders is not our problem! hahaha criminal trash! And twenty thousand gun laws- yet hardly any law ENFORCING- they fire prosecutors (dems do) who prosecute gun criminals... I am so tired of talking to you tiny brained hypnotized hysterical twerplets...

Posted by: starvingactor |

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Yeah, haha, you are such a comedian like your idol drug loving Limbaugh.

Typical moronic imbecilic childish response. Sorry I try to engage you in a bit of an intelligent conversation,but it went over your gun-powder addled brain.

There - the Future of Republican Party. Enjoy the wilderness, and make sure to shoot each other while hunting.

Posted by: Pillai | May 14, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I guess I wouldn't want to admit something as stupid as that either. Fortunately I don't have to, I grew past that when I was twelve

Did you just turn 13?

Posted by: mando1975 | May 14, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

1. Pelosi is a liar and it is going to be fun watching her try to talk her way out of this. 2. Waterboarding and Sleep Deprivation are not torture...I'm sure they are not pleasant, but they cause no lasting physical or mental harm (part of the definition of torture). Torture techniques include shocking, stabbing, burning, breaking bones, cutting off heads and apendages....like our Terrorist enemies do to our citizens!! Remember these are not soldiers captured on a legitimate battlefield...the Geneva Conventions do not apply to terrorists!!To qualify under the Third Geneva Convention, a combatant must have conducted military operations according to the laws and customs of war, be part of a chain of command, wear a "fixed distinctive marking, visible from a distance" and bear arms openly. We would never treat an actual soldier the way terrorists treat others!!!

Posted by: jeagan1999 | May 14, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:

Been there, done that. I'm happily retired with plenty of time to waste tormenting you here.

chrisfox8:

I am not going to answer your questions to me. Perhaps you should have thought of the consequences before YOU refused to answer my hypothetical questions to you.

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

OhYeahBabe:

Absolutely.

They're not all perfect, but they are much closer than their Republican counterparts:

Here's a real coffee spitter for you:

Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage (Who is such an idiot he got banned from England!), Bill O'Riley, Ann Coulter, Dick Cheney, Glen Beck, Sean Hannity

Posted by: pdxgeek | May 14, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

""Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
-Benjamin Franklin"

This is not a Franklin quote. The word "lunch" wasn't even used back then. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

StewieG
Iraq had no WMD or links to terrorists.

Posted by: HiTechCowBoy | May 14, 2009 3:21 PM

Don't even have to read any more of the post HiTech. Your first line is a lie.

Straight from the Bible for Moonbats:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/15/sprj.irq.abbas.arrested/

Wednesday, April 16, 2003 (one month after the invasion)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Abu Abbas, a convicted
Palestinian terrorist who masterminded the 1985 hijacking of the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro on which a wheelchair-bound American was killed, was captured by U.S. Special Forces in the outskirts of Baghdad, U.S. Central Command said Tuesday.

Posted by: StewieG | May 14, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Chrisfox,

“I don't believe in your "marketplace."

Quite the heavy weight in rhetoric. Maybe if yell loud enough the marketplace won’t exist anymore. I thought you had a lock on truth and logic. Your response is less than stimulating for debate. I know see why you loath R they think above you.

“Wagoner was an idiot, his company is receiving taxpayer money, it would be irresponsible to let an idiot waste that money.”

Yet we have allowed the major banks and AIG to keep their CEOs and they received a lot more money than GM. I think Wagoner was more a sacrificial lamb to appease the populist mob and I would count you as one. Your commenting on his intelligence is rather humorous.

“Well any investigation of a crime should start with who stood to benefit. Disagree?”

No, you investigate a crime based on the merit of the facts. It may eventually lead to some deductions on who benefits the most, but its not where you start. I can spin all day on who stood the most to benefit. Which is why the left have insinuated that the Bush administration was responble for 9/11. I will note that conspiracy theories work well on the ill informed.

Posted by: sltiowa | May 14, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

The argument about whether Obama is damaging the economy and companies on purpose to get power, or that he just wants to get power over them but not at the expense of them failing is an interesting one. However, what still appears obvious to most thinkers, is that he does want to, and intend to, and wants to exercise, power over private companies. The fact that as a US president that he has already chosen to exercise power over private companies should be a dead giveaway on his desires. The idea that a leftist politician would actually hurt the country in order to give himself more power is hardly a new one. Heck, leftists paraded Abu Grahib strictly for political gain. Even knowing that it hurt the USA they still did it. Same with CIA memo release. Again, all for political gain. It is bad enough that you give up some of your own freedom for more security but how evil must you be to give up security of your country for more personal gain. Obama and Pelosi are two of a kind. They both lie for personal gain and they are both willing to give up national security for personal gain.

Posted by: KMichaels | May 14, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Right, the tired, ole argument that we went to war to steal their oil.

Well, we succeeded at the hard part, wining the war, but gosh darn it we failed miserably at the true task at hand, stealing their oil. Drats! Well, we still have time I suppose.

Posted by: BreakNobama | May 14, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't work? If waterboarding does not work, then why is Los Angeles still on the map?
The article is about Pelosi lying about what she knew and when she knew it. Keep spinning, libs!

Posted by: DavidJ3 | May 14, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I guess I wouldn't want to admit something as stupid as that either. Fortunately I don't have to, I grew past that when I was twelve

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

@JakeD

For gods sake, GET A JOB! Would ya?

Posted by: DrainYou | May 14, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

So JakeD, answer the question. Do you actually believe in a great cosmic spirit who controls destiny? Seriously?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Please warn us before you make comments like "liberals accept a more educated view of world events." I had a mouthful of coffee and wound up spraying it all over my laptop keyboard.

Michael Moore has an educated view of world events? Al Gore has an educated view of world events? The ACLU, Code Pink, Cindy Sheehan, Barbara Streisand and Sean Penn have a more educated view of world events??? More educated than who... Spongebob Squarepants???

Posted by: OhYeahBabe
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Sure - lets see - "Drill baby Drill -no such thing as Global Warming", "Lets all hug our guns a little closer tonight", "You homos are not allowed to marry - just pay your friggin taxes and shut up", "Evolution Schemolution, no such thing - God created it all in seven days, you learn that!","Life begins when you are undoing her bra strap - say no to abortion" and a lot more..

Yeah, overflowing with intelligence, compassion, critical thinking.. you 20 percenters. Wonder why no one wants to associate with you anymore. 1 in 5 - a Republican! Pathetic.

Posted by: Pillai | May 14, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Journalist to Pelosi: "The CIA is a bunch of liars, right?"

Fantasy Journalist to Pelosi: "Are you a liar?"

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
-Abraham Lincoln

Posted by: number1write | May 14, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Yes - let's have a full investigation of the run up to the theft of Iraq's oil -- I mean, the war.

I'd love to see cheney's as* in prison.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

This is an argument that cannot be settled with words, commissions or "legal" action. The abyss is before us.

Posted by: wdjrel | May 14, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

MildlyAmused:

We prosecuted the japanese for employing waterboarding during WWII as torture.

And you are exactly opposite regarding the tactics. Standard tactics are known to work... they produced the intelligence Dick Cheney claimed waterboarding produced.

http://washingtonindependent.com/42903/former-fbi-agent-testifies-to-cia-contractor-push-for-harsh-interrogation

Waterboarding and other forms of torture are effective at producing false confessions... which apparently the Bush administration wanted to justify to tie Al-Queda to Iraq.

Posted by: pdxgeek | May 14, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

starvingactor (from the "Palin on Prejean" thread):

#1 "If I had an irrational belief like that I would keep it to myself, my dark little secret, like a professional guy who smokes crack and nobody knows.

Twenty first century and we still have people who believe in the supernatural. Oh well I guess the GOP has to get its votes from SOMEwhere ..."

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 2:54 PM |

#2 "The longer Palin is the face of the GOP the longer it will be before anyone takes them seriously. The goopers simply have no idea how destructive she was for their party, nor how irresponsible it was of McCain to put such and idiotic woman a heartbeat from the presidency, and a failing heart at that."

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 2:42 PM |

#3 "So let me get this straight, JakeD: do you believe in a great super-spirit that controls the universe and our destiny?

Do I have that right? You actually believe in "God?!?"

Wow."

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 2:40 PM |

Doesn't #2 seem like it's just a little out of place, but "chrisfox8" forgot to change the name to "drindl"? Talk about "split personality" ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

more lunacy from the lunatics..

"Earlier this week, Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX) told the New York Times that the Obama administration intended to “‘diminish employment and diminish stock prices‘ as part of a ‘divide and conquer’ strategy to consolidate power.’” He added that Obama’s agenda was “intended to inflict damage and hardship on the free enterprise system, if not to kill it.” Yesterday, Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) rejected Session’s conspiracy theory:

“I don’t know where he’s coming from on it,” Sen. John Cornyn said Wednesday. “I’d like some sort of clarification about what he meant.”

Cornyn explicitly rejected the idea that Obama wants higher unemployment, lower stock prices and general economic malaise. “Absolutely not,” Cornyn told Texas reporters. [...]"

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

pillai- nobody is PREVENTING your free speech. Just because they would arrest you for calling in cocaine orders is not our problem! hahaha criminal trash! And twenty thousand gun laws- yet hardly any law ENFORCING- they fire prosecutors (dems do) who prosecute gun criminals... I am so tired of talking to you tiny brained hypnotized hysterical twerplets...

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Ding Dong! The Witch is dead.
Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead.
She's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Witch is dead!

Posted by: amt4321 | May 14, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Go for it Republicans, let's have a full on torture/war crimes investigation, under oath.


First of all, you don't have anything on Pelosi and second, if you did find something, who the frack cares. As much as you hate it, this is not a partisan issue (like the Bill Clinton/Monica saga was).


This is another case of Republicans hitting themselves on the head with a big stick.


I can only imagine how many Republicans would get caught up in an all out torture investigation. Don't forget that these 2000 and 2004 Republicans are the "elections have consequences" guys that we're talking about here.


Posted by: DrainYou | May 14, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi: Selective retention. Liberals: Lie, cheat, steal; Do whatever it takes to advance the cause!

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
-Benjamin Franklin

Posted by: number1write | May 14, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is desperate. She is in more trouble than Bush! What a liar and hypocrite -- like most in her party!

I don't believe for a minute that Obama wants to end the torture debate. His whole Presidency is based on turning a page on 200 plus years of "shameful" US history. This whole thing plays ideally into his hand and all the while he can weep crocodile tears over it!

Posted by: PeteKent | May 14, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

AMERICANS CANNOT TRUST THE THIRD IN LINE FOR THE PRESIDENCY. PELOSI MUST GO!!!!!

In the aftermath of 9/11/01, the Pelosi and the rest of the partisan hack liberals were criticizing the Bush Administration in that they didn't do enough to stop the attacks.

And now the partisan hack liberals are saying they did too much to stop further attacks.

They will sacrifice national security in order to score cheap political points. They are unprincipled and shameless in their efforts to politicize anything they can.

BUT NOW THEY HAVE GONE TOO FAR!!!!!!

If waterboarding is torture, it appears that we have tortured thousands of military trainees with the full knowledge of our military and Congress - Democrats and Republicans.

Where do we start the prosecutions?

How about we start with Nancy Pelosi? In a press conference, Nancy lied to Americans regarding her knowledge of waterboarding in 2002 for the sole purpose of attacking the Bush administration for cheap political points. Pelosi was briefed by the CIA on specific interrogation methods, including waterboarding, of the three dangerous terrorists.

The conduct of the current Speaker of the House warrants impeachment proceedings. Nancy Pelosi has shown she has no integrity by lying to put politics ahead of national security. The American people cannot trust Nancy Pelosi on high level issues pertaining to national security. She has to go.

IMPEACH PELOSI!!
IMPEACH PELOSI!!
IMPEACH PELOSI!!

Posted by: JimMF | May 14, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Bush conned congress? I thought Bush was a moron who couldn't fool anybody - except
those liberal idiots.

Posted by: babunsita | May 14, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

There are only FIVE RED STATES LEFT!,

Don't worry, that will change soon enough! People are already sick of this sham.

Posted by: mando1975 | May 14, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

chris fox8- look, I had explained this before- but one more time for your split personality: Oil for food was a major rip off of UN (US!) money and the border was used for sales to Iraq of things that, spoken of openly, would have required people with your limited sense of patriotism to scream nuke paris! Nuke Moscow!!- so Bush had to allow them to smuggle it back out for all to save face, and get down to the unpleasant task of making sure free-market oil was protected,and take down saddam. Also it put us on both sides of Iran, and in between syria and iran... kept them a bit contained, even if not entirely. So, just STFU about your WMD garbage...and too- did you miss the news report last autumn, that the yellow cake was finally removed from Iraq? Well, gee, you think NOT saying it was in reach of alqaeda maybe prevented a full-court-press to get it? You tiny brained little pissants are trying to get us all killed. You hope we never meet.

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Wow. This ladies body language says it all. What a liar. She was actually for waterboarding before she was for it. Pelosi knew and we know when she knew. She should resign. http://www.UpYoursObama.com/

Posted by: FRedStatescom | May 14, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8,

Thanks for making my point!

Posted by: mando1975 | May 14, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox and drindl are excellent examples of what is wrong with our weak education systems in the United States. It really is shameful.

==

There are only FIVE RED STATES LEFT!

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

TEAM OBAMA AND THE BLOG MOBBERS: At cross-purposes?

Where is the "black ops" budget for "blog mobbing" hidden?

And how many of its operatives are subverting Team Obama's agenda?

Is anyone asking Roz Mazer (in the DNI's office) to look into this?

If not -- I am.


http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | May 14, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

pilai- how is erasing the second amendment NOT shredding the constitution? Disarming victims is MURDER.... and not crime fighting! That is the dems.

Posted by: starvingactor
---------------------------------
Who erased what? 2nd Amendment stands, and no one is touching it. You want your guns, have at it. So stop screaming about bs stuff, and creating an artifcial panic by buying up all the ammo. And if there is sensible legistlation against owning machine guns, I'd support it. Just like I want it to be illegal for my neighbor to own a bazooka, or a freakin 40 mm Bofors cannon.

But what are you gonna do about my 4th Amendment already violated more times than I can count, when our phone conversations started getting recorded without a warrant? Huh? Why, that part of the Constitution does not matter? And don't tell me it was just international calls. We know it wasn't.

And this is just one of the many over-reaches Bush and Co did and apparently seem to go away with it, because of spineless leaders like Pelosi and Reid. I couldn't care less about her if she knew. If she knew and didn't do anything to stop it, she is just as culpabale as Cheney.

Posted by: Pillai | May 14, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Note to pdxgeek:

Please warn us before you make comments like "liberals accept a more educated view of world events." I had a mouthful of coffee and wound up spraying it all over my laptop keyboard.

Michael Moore has an educated view of world events? Al Gore has an educated view of world events? The ACLU, Code Pink, Cindy Sheehan, Barbara Streisand and Sean Penn have a more educated view of world events??? More educated than who... Spongebob Squarepants???

Posted by: OhYeahBabe | May 14, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox and drindl are excellent examples of what is wrong with our weak education systems in the United States. It really is shameful.

Posted by: mwscott1999 | May 14, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

briany4567

Actually I am heavily in favor of prosecuting companies and individuals which hire illegal aliens. This would be a far more successful tactic than trying to root out every illegal immigrant.

I also know the difference between being where you are not supposed to be vs. oh lets say TORTURE AND MURDER... so yeah I don't think I'd be that tough on the illegal immigrants themselves who are just trying to make a better life for their children as our ancestors once did. But no, I would not condone not support illegal immigration.

I'm also sure the measures you would take to combat illegal immigration would be far more costly, less effective and utterly inhumane.

I guess I'm just a bleeding heart.

Posted by: pdxgeek | May 14, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"Your comments are not any better. You are just as mean. Instead of having a constructive argument, you resort to personal attacks."

==

someone need a HANKY?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey Nancy baby, the hand writing is clearly on the wall. Especially when a news rag like the WP is not writing a bunch of flattering stuff in your favor. Obama and the rest of your mates in Congress want you out. It's pretty cut and clear. Oh and another thing to some of you posters, using wikipedia for facts is like using a crystal ball to play baseball with. No comparison whatsoever to realty. Yet reading the liberal crap on this story is OMG so typical of idiocy. The ranting liberals remind me of the night blood eaters in "I Am Legend." The way they shrill and complain, use incorrect and unsubstantiated data, the usual Bush hate comments. So ho hum, yawn. Am also getting tired of Obama blaming everything on President Bush (an actual American citizen). Hey Barry, I suppose Bush is responsible for your ingrown toe nail.

Posted by: candyzky | May 14, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

spoke like a little fascist drindl!! hahaha You need a mirror!

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

drindl,

Your comments are not any better. You are just as mean. Instead of having a constructive argument, you resort to personal attacks. Don't take it so personally. We are entitled to our own opinions, just like you are.

Posted by: mando1975 | May 14, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Again I see liberals scream about Bush 'lying'. Too bad they can't read. SO many articles (though NOT in the MSM!) detail how S. Hussein sent his WMD's to Syria.

==

hahahhah yeah Saddam sent away his weapons and let himself be captured and turned over to a lynch mob to make Bush LOOK BAD.

(*guffaw*)

no wonder you drool cases can't win elections

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jake... His CB handle maybe is FoxDrindl8. Whatever the hell is a drindl anyway? God, tell us what we did so very wrong that you hate us enough to give us an infestation of democrats?

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"So they come in here and hoot and howl and swagger but on the other side of the keyboard they're just powerless wretches working minimum wage jobs, the few who aren't still living with their parents."

Nah, I doubt any of them have jobs. Look at them, they're too stupid and obnoxious for anyone to hire. I expect they mostly live in basements or garages, or possibly live off disability checks, for their mental infirmity.

A subhuman speices of troll.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I do hope this is the beginning of the end of the
Pelosi area. I have as of yet to see one think of good this person has ever done....don't know from where she came and don't care-just send her back asap.

Posted by: news_service | May 14, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Sorry chrisfox8, but you must have gone to one of our excellent public institutions of learning. NAZI - were the National Socialists German Workers Party.

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Heh heh doesn't take much to fool you nincompoops .. go read Shirer, and learn who the Nazis rounded up first. Hint: it wasn't the right.

Idiot.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey Kids, do you want to grow up to be a fear-mongering knuckle-dragging Republican like John Boehner?


Here's how you do it---the GOP knows how to scream "Danger!!!" better than anyone. But how do they do it so effectively? It's simple, really, and you, too, can convince people they should be scared of their own shadow. Just pick a phrase from List A, another from List B, and one from List C. Here...try it:


List A
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A public option in health care reform
Curbing CO2 emissions
Gay marriage
Public funding of stem cell research
Immigration reform that doesn’t include mass deportations
Talking with our adversaries
Releasing the report/study/memo/photos
Restoring Clinton-era tax rates on multi-millionaires
Enacting tighter regulations in the financial sector
Investigating "enhanced interrogation techniques"
Closing down offshore tax loopholes
Actually listening to ordinary Americans
Anything President Obama does


Will...


List B
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Tear at the fabric of
Have a chilling effect on
Ignite a firestorm of woe upon
Erode the foundation of
Wreak incalculable havoc on
Lead us down a dark and dangerous path toward destroying
Lead us down a slippery slope on the way to bankrupting
Plunge a dagger into the very heart of
Unleash destruction on
Tear a giant hole in
Break the back of
Have devastating consequences on
Forever doom


List C
---------
Our society
This great nation
Our national security
The family structure
Small businesses
Democracy as we know it
Our children!
Our children's children!
Our children's children's children! (etc.)
The Judeo Christian values on which this country was founded
The Homeland/Fatherland/Motherland
Everything we hold sacred
Our ability to prevent the socialists from taking over
Our vital institutions
My chances of getting re-elected


And, if you're feeling frisky, you can add a scary rhetorical flourish from list D.


List D
--------
Just wait---you'll see! And then you'll come crawling back to me!
I weep for my country!
My people don't want to secede from the U.S., but...we may have no choice.
This is the worst thing that's happened in the history of the world!
It's time to start stocking up on food and water. And gunnnnns.
Gosh darn it!
Also!!!


See? It's easy! And with a little practice you, too, can put yourself on a dark and dangerous slippery slope of woe as a Republican doomsayer. Not sure why you'd want to, but it's always nice to have options in this uncertain economy.


Posted by: DrainYou | May 14, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Again I see liberals scream about Bush 'lying'. Too bad they can't read. SO many articles (though NOT in the MSM!) detail how S. Hussein sent his WMD's to Syria. (weaponry that will be used against Israel soon. Watch Damascus be converted to rubble!) Bush's greatest mistake was giving Saddam days to 'get out of Dodge' before the 'proverbial defecation smacked the metallic rotating blades'. As for Mizzzzzz Pelosi, her dishonestly finally catches up with her. My shock is that the MSM is even giving it coverage! It is wonderful to see the secular progressive's hypocrisy about to bring them DOWN.

Posted by: cougar2009 | May 14, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Actually drindl we are watching the left self destruct and annoy Americans just like they did during the carter years. It is entertaining. And as far as Republicans are concerned, the are experiencing a long-overdue house cleaning.

Posted by: mwscott1999 | May 14, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse


MADAM SPEAKER, TEAM OBAMA:

How about the Bush-Cheney spawned HOMELAND TORTURE that's STILL HAPPENING?


Bush-Cheney- spawned torture is NOT just a foreign affair.

The "Extrajudicial Punishment Network" it created or expanded enables citizen vigilantes affiliated with federally-funded volunteer community policing and public safety groups to stalk, harass, terrorize -- and YES, torture.

With microwave radiation "directed energy weapons" -- apparently OK'ed for use on detainees AND U.S. citizens by still-secret Bush "torture memos."

This "American Gestapo" has co-opted and corrupted local law enforcement nationwide -- a grassroots-based authoritarian apparatus "hiding in plain sight."

And a related array of secret federal "programs of personal financial destruction" decimates the finances of "targeted" persons and their families -- who are denied due process of law as their personal wealth is slowly expropriated.

Please, White House staff, read this. Your Bush holdovers already know all about it.

What have they told YOU?


http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
http://nowpublic.com/world/bush-torture-memos-oked-radiation-weapon-use-americans-too

OR (if links are corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | May 14, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

First, stop equating waterboarding as "torture." That calls for a legal conclusion which has not yet been made by the SC. Next, stop lying about the effectiveness of the enhanced interrogation techniques. Obama's own people have acknowledged that these techniques worked. PERIOD. Actionable intelligence was obtained that saved lives. END OF DEBATE ON THAT POINT. The only caveat they have offered is that other (unnamed and untested) techniques MIGHT also have also worked. That is complete BS unless you describe these techniques and validate them with results. Anyone who disputes the effectiveness of the used techniques is simply delusional. Here is the real question for President Obama: a group of terrorists has attacked Sidwell Friends school and captured both of your daughters, killing all of their Secret Service protectors in the process. One terrorist was captured and has bragged that both of your daughters have been buried alive and they have about 2 hours of air left until they die horribly. The FBI has politely asked the captured terrorist to tell them where the girls are buried but the terrorist has declined to answer. Even after the FBI said please! Will you use enhanced techniques up to and including real torture (like chopping off fingers and toes) to save your daughters' lives? If not, is feeling morally superior to the terrorists worth your daughters' lives? Or is it just better when it is someone else's family that dies? For those decrying waterboarding on this forum. Place yourself in the above example and ask yourself what you would do to save your children's lives. I personally would chop off a finger at a time until I ran out of body parts to save my children and I wouldn't lose a minute of sleep over it. In fact, there is NO limit to the pain that I would personally inflict to save their lives. The terrorists sacrifice their right to be treated as human beings by their own actions. I prefer that my innocent children live to some type of phony moral superiority that these terrorist laugh at and think is simply a sign of weakness. Take a look at the records of the ONLY 3 terrorists who were waterboarded and tell me that these inhuman scum shouldn't be burning in hell, after we extract every bit of useful information out of their evil bodies. P.S. As non-uniformed combatants, the Geneva Convention allows for summary execution of every one of these terrorists upon capture. The only value they have left is the information that can be extracted from them. Think about that.

Posted by: MildlyAmused | May 14, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

chris- let's forget wings a minute, and realize the democrats want to control every aspect of the USA and our lives, at the expense of our freedom. SO forget nazis were nationalist-socialist(racists) and il Duci was whatever made the trains run on time with a spiffy uniform, or else- they are trying to destroy the USA. Screw the name, screw the people doing it.

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

El Duce Pelosi: Your reign of utter incompetence, narcissism and lies is over. The only task before you is to apologize to the American people and resign in disgrace. . . NOW!

Posted by: bankroller | May 14, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse


"fun would be to see what drindl is doing...smashing her computer on the wall in hystercal anger at the Americans who dare to say nasty things about the witch pelosi?"

I am sitting here LOL at you crazy illiterate clowns who are going to destroy the republican party. Pass the popcorn, chrisfox -- the show is just beginning.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry chrisfox8, but you must have gone to one of our excellent public institutions of learning. NAZI - were the National Socialists German Workers Party.

Posted by: mwscott1999 | May 14, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

starvingactor:

Could be (sometimes it seems as if "chrisfox8" posts in different persona by mistake too).

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

If Iran had no WMD's, StewieG, someone had better tell Bill Clinton. He's the one who was running around saying they did. Life would be a lot easier if he had just grabbed Osama bin Laden when he had the chance, wouldn't it? There'd also be 2,947 kids who still have two parents.

Posted by: OhYeahBabe | May 14, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Who is she? Yoda?

Posted by: drgymll |
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She has the EYES and ears of Yoda and if she didn't wear a wig probably the same hair.

Posted by: wapoisajoke | May 14, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

katem- no I do not feel like bush NEVER did wrong. What I do say is that in terms of fighting the terrorists (who want only their jihad- struggle, to do what their pretendo prophet ordered:1 Kill all jews and 2: convert, enslave, or kill, EVERYONE ELSE) the president was TRYING TO DEFEND THE USA. Now- even with mistakes, that sure as hell beats the dems trying to KILL THE USA!!!

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

The Bush Administration did what they truly felt was the best for America. Now looking foreward it's Barry O's turn, and while we see a lot of posturing and Monday morning quarterbacking, it seems more and more like this administration is following the Bush map to safety. President Bush was right and justified in his actions and we stayed safe and secure... now it's time to see there plan.

Posted by: maxkarlos | May 14, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

wapoisajoke:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_prisoner_abuse

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jun2004/tort-j02.shtml

Usually liberals accept a more educated view of world events. It's pretty damn ignorant to say no torture occurred. It's only slightly less ignorant to believe none of that torture resulted in death considering that we've had these prisoners die in our custody (I believe its in the 10's if not hundreds).

Posted by: pdxgeek | May 14, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

fascistic, like that other national socialist movement in Germany back in the 1930s.

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Wow are YOU ever confused.

Fascism is a right-wing totalitarian POLITICAL system

Socialism is a left-wing ECONOMIC system

Did you drop out of the third grade or something?!?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Asked whether she was accusing the CIA of lying to her during a 2002 briefing on the use of so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques," Pelosi said: "Yes, misleading the Congress of the United States, misleading the Congress of the United States. I am."


Who is she? Yoda?

Posted by: drgymll | May 14, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I think we all need to ask ourselves why Obama is willing to submarine this woman. I don't like her either, I've always thought she was a liar, but I truly believe that the Obamabot bloggers are out in force calling for her head (along with Republicans). Ask yourself why this is happening? What will he gain by getting rid of her?

Posted by: AnnieP1 | May 14, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

chris fox IS drindl! hahaha

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I think that there is something seriously wrong with this "drindl" person. "Deranged" is the thought that comes to mind. I would have thought that liberal freaks like that would have calmed down with the liberal change of command, but they have become very fascistic, like that other national socialist movement in Germany back in the 1930s.

Posted by: mwscott1999 | May 14, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight: Richard Clarke,(Republican), Gen. Eric Shiseki, Philip Zelikow,former Bush admin. official, Colin Powell, Lisa Gordon-Hagerty, Roger Cressy, Paul Kurtz,(these three worked with Clarke in counterterrorism) all resigned cause they were continually ignored about al Qaeda before and after 9/11. Ashcroft, Comey and a bunch of other lawyers at the DoJ threatented to resign over warrantless wiretapping, all of these people were wrong? Most of them were appointed by Bush, and yet they couldn't stomach the overreach and power grabs of the Bush administration. And yet some of you posters act like whatever comes out of Bush and Cheney's mouths are true, no questions asked. And yet even those in their adminstration say they were wrong. And you jump all over Pelosi? An investigation is definitely needed whether it shows she lied or not, it will show that even Bush officials were against it, and they felt they had no power to stop it. So they protested the only way they could, they resigned. Any ex military out there real thrilled with how Cheney said today he wants to protect the lawyers, that he was disgusted during watergate how the lower guys were hung out to dry. Too bad that sentiment wasn't extended to those low level grunts who went to prison while doing things the Torture memos supported. In other words, it's okay for low level grunts to swing but not high level lawyers. Is it any wonder that a soldier can snap when his CinC and VP defend lawyers, but not soldiers who put their life on the line? Yeah, over extending the military makes the country safer, pardon my sarcasm. I don't care whether you are Dem. or Rep., what the Bush adminstration has done to the military is criminal. Does the gravestone of a fallen soldier tell us whether he is Dem or Rep?

Posted by: katem1 | May 14, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

drindl: You're kind of hung up on this child's testicles thing. Is there something you'd like to talk about? Why don't you lie down on this couch? Here, have a nice drink of water and take a few deep breaths.

The only froth here is coming from you.

Posted by: OhYeahBabe | May 14, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

pilai- how is erasing the second amendment NOT shredding the constitution? Disarming victims is MURDER.... and not crime fighting! That is the dems.

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Iraq had no WMD or links to terrorists. The Bush administration knew those facts before the invasion and it purposefully conned Congress into passing public law 107-243.

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OK sure thing Nancy whatever you say. And I bet the CIA lied as well. Good luck and GO HOME !!!

Posted by: wapoisajoke | May 14, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

What's more torturing, listening to san fran nan trying to articulate anything, barry off teleprompter or water boarding?
I'd rather be waterboarding.....surfs up!

Posted by: Intellibronc | May 14, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

You think these frothing rightwing freaks would wince at a child's testicles being crushed? Don't kid yourself. They'd love to watch that -- or do it themselves. They love inflicting pain.

Look at the comments. These people are into pure sadomasochism. It's sick and sad.

Posted by: drindl

==

I know what they would *like* to do but in reality none of these people have any power to do anything, their own dogs can stare them down.

So they come in here and hoot and howl and swagger but on the other side of the keyboard they're just powerless wretches working minimum wage jobs, the few who aren't still living with their parents.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

While Pelosi digs her self deeper and deeper into a pit of lies, why has ABC, NBC and CBS failed to even mention any thing regarding what she knew and when she knew it during any of their nightly broadcasts?

And Pelosi states that the CIA has always mislead Congress? WTH? And now she says so? Hmmm. Other members of congress both (D)s and (R)s have never had any problems with the CIA briefings. She has reached a level of incompetence that is a danger to our country.

Posted by: PupsMcCann | May 14, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

http://speaker.house.gov/contact/

Office of the Speaker
H-232, US Capitol
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-0100

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

God I wish we still had a free AMERICAN press that would hound the traitor pig until she commits suicide... or at least, leaves public life!! But a televised dive of the golden gate would be so righteously entertaining!!

Posted by: starvingactor
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Yeah, the same free american press that should have hounded the lying murderous fascist constitution shredding, lettingourcountrygetattackedon911 pigs like Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice/Addington/Bradbury/Card/Ashcroft/Gonzales..They should have all been hounded enough to jump off the top of the White House.

And ps. if you are a starvingactor, find another line of work. You suck at it.

Posted by: Pillai | May 14, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

StewieG

Iraq had no WMD or links to terrorists. The Bush administration knew those facts before the invasion and it purposefully conned Congress into passing public law 107-243.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfwitz, Feith, Shulsky, Libby, and the rest conjured this data up to justify the invasion in violation of the U.S. Constitution, to topple Saddam and seized control of the Iraq's 215 billion barrels of oil for U.S. energy firms after Saddam nationalized the nations oil and gas industry in 1972 after 47 years of specific contractual non-compliance. The Iraqi Petroleum Company (IPC) was owned mostly by Exxon Mobil, Shell, and other U.S. firms. That 75 year contract was signed in 1925 and would have expired in 2000. The next year the Bush administration took over the White House.

That was the motive for the war. Given the lack of morals and distain for the Constitution and the rule of law the torturing of prisoners was to instill fear and punish those that resisted the U.S. invasion and occupation of their nation, not to gain intelligence.. That is why U.S. Contractors were sent in to do the dirty work, not CIA employees. They CIA ordered the acts and then stood by and watched just like they did in Vietnam during Operation Phoenix. It’s called Plausible Deniability. That is the bedrock of black box Ops at Black Site secret sites

Posted by: HiTechCowBoy | May 14, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

A Truth Commission??? Pelosi wants a Truth Commission??? Supposing for a moment that such a thing were even possible, who would be around to recognize the Truth when it finally emerged? Not Speaker Pelosi, certainly. She'd just say that she never got briefed by the Truth Commission but she's pretty sure a member of her staff might have.

Posted by: OhYeahBabe | May 14, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

You think these frothing rightwing freaks would wince at a child's testicles being crushed? Don't kid yourself. They'd love to watch that -- or do it themselves. They love inflicting pain.

Look at the comments. These people are into pure sadomasochism. It's sick and sad.

Posted by: drindl
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More HYPE and LIES from DEMOCRATS. Is that you Keith Olbermann?

Posted by: wapoisajoke | May 14, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Democrats, just another another word for hypocritce.

Posted by: mwscott1999 | May 14, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

In the last month, the BO Admin has:

-Fired a private Co's CEO
-Appointed board members to private Co
-Dictated the advertising budget of a private Co
-Side-stepped long standing bankruptcy practices
-And now wants to dictate pay of financial firms

Do you not see a problem with this?

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No, I don't. But then I believe money is just paper, not conscious.

I'm 100.00% in favor of "government interference in the marketplace," because I don't believe in your "marketplace."

Wagoner was an idiot, his company is receiving taxpayer money, it would be irresponsible to let an idiot waste that money.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

You think these frothing rightwing freaks would wince at a child's testicles being crushed? Don't kid yourself. They'd love to watch that -- or do it themselves. They love inflicting pain.

Look at the comments. These people are into pure sadomasochism. It's sick and sad.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"Tell us who was behind 9/11."

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Well any investigation of a crime should start with who stood to benefit. Disagree?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Yes, ChrisFox, actually that is exactly waht we are doing - fighting for our convictions. and you are true to form, i.e. - we aren't allowed to have convictions and if we do then they are stupid and we are stupid, et al.

Seriously - i tell you that is waht we are doing and you respond with taht we "have been had" which i agree with you we have ALL been had and again with name calling, or more specifically we are all burger flippers, rights?

Is that all you got? Let's debate the issues. In the last month, the BO Admin has:

-Fired a private Co's CEO
-Appointed board members to private Co
-Dictated the advertising budget of a private Co
-Side-stepped long standing bankruptcy practices
-And now wants to dictate pay of financial firms

Do you not see a problem with this?

Posted by: BreakNobama | May 14, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

You know what...
I think they should subpoena Pelosi and make her testify. If there was wrong doing they should prosecute.

But they should round up the perpetrators of the actual crimes first.

Isn't that how it usually goes... first get the people who did it... then get their accomplices?

Posted by: pdxgeek | May 14, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

President Obama needs to stop his fellow democrats from lying so much.

Posted by: wapoisajoke | May 14, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

right3:

Did you see the original version?

"The Obama administration has made no secret of the fact that they would prefer not to spend time looking back at what happened under President George W. Bush since it distracts from what they believe to be the important tasks at hand -- most notably turning around the economy.

But, when the Speaker of the House accuses a past president and the nation's intelligence gathering operation of misleading her, it's hard to see how this issue can be dismissed as nothing more than rear-view mirror gazing by Obama and his inner circle

The ball is now firmly in the court of the White House. How will they react to Pelosi? And will that reaction satisfy those who believe it is essential to the American way of life that answers are found regarding the treatment of prisoners?"

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"It didn't take that much to drive "drindl" away."

I have a weak stomach and also actual employment, unlike most of the losers on here today.

The zombie brigade that came here from drudge is hellbent on destroying the republican party and I wish them good luck with it, as hideous and monstrous as they are.


Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Lair, Liar pantsuit on fire!

Posted by: crpgm | May 14, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"You know what I hate about stories like this? It draws attention away from the fact that WE WANT PROSECUTIONS!

It's as if they were saying:

Pelosi is a Democrat
Pelosi was briefed about Torture
Pelosi didn't say anything
Therefore: Democrat's must be ok with torture

Which is a total load of BS.

I don't give a blankity blank about what Pelosi, Reid, Clinton or Obama were briefed about. Laws were broken, treaties were broken, people were tortured, people were murdered. Justice MUST be served or we are not a nation of laws, we are merely a nation of men."


I got $1000 that says this poster is perfectly willing to look the other way about illegal immigration and the fact that that law is selectively not enforced.

Posted by: briany4567 | May 14, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Man, I wonder what the blood pressure of the average Drudge reader is.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

People were NOT TORTURED people were NOT MURDERED just more POLITICAL HYPE and LIES from the DEMOCRATS.

Posted by: wapoisajoke | May 14, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8,

Tell us who was behind 9/11. I am very interested.

Posted by: mando1975 | May 14, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a perfect example of what overdoing the Botox will do - it will scramble your brain. V.P. Biden should take heed on the Botox side effects, or it could happen to him.

Posted by: Linda7 | May 14, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

A few things to remember.

(1) John Yoo wrote that it would be legal to crush a child's testicles in front of his father to get the father to talk

(2) KSM's 7- and 9-year-old sons were captured before he was, and are now nowhere to be found

(3) Seymour Hersch wrote that there have been case of children being tortured by US agents, and even children being sodomized

I think the photos would destroy the US' reputation beyond reclamation.

Proud of yourselves, goopers?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi is lying and perhaps is the queen of hyprocrisy (not to mention botox).

How about all the other people at the meeting that report "She was informed", including her staff!!!

This woman is a disgrace and should be stripped of her Speakership. She is what is wrong with Washington DC and politics.

What a bunch of corrupt, miscreants. Only admit to what works for you!

God bless our military, our CIA, and those individuals who choose to do what is difficult, yet right to protect this country and not worry about covering thier asses. Thank you George Bush, Dick Cheney. You kept us safe for 7.5 years.

Posted by: magsthecat1 | May 14, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Simply unbelievable, Pelosi is very lucky her constituents (in the SF Bay area) are as stupid as she is. Her act is beyond shameless....

Posted by: aldobender | May 14, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

This old bag needs to be investigated and thrown out of Congress.

Remember, died-in-the-wool Dems, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You got caught, admit it, give us the FULL TRANSPARENCY that you promised, and let the chips fall where they may.

Posted by: Cthulhu3 | May 14, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"The Obama administration has made no secret of the fact that they would prefer not to spend time looking back at what happened under President George W. Bush"

You really believe this Cillizza? BULL.

All they do is look back and blame Bush, that's all they've done. The campaign was against Bush not McCain. Now he's screw up everything and it's back to bread and butter. Foreign Policy = Bush was Bad ....Sorry world. Economy = Bush was Bad...I inherited this even though I've been in the Senate since 2006 when Democrats took control of all of Congress.

Posted by: right3 | May 14, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Pelosi and Obama forgot something: the CIA KILLS people... it's in their job description.

Did those two really think that these killers were going to take-one-for-the-team... when the team captain is a lying, incompetent, arrogant nebbish who has basically told them they need to kiss his ring? -please

Obama really kicked an ant hill with his ill-advised and politically motivated release of Bush Administration memos regarding EITs- I'm sure he already regrets it.

Let's have a hearing and get it all out there, shall we? Then watch the rats scatter who attacked Bush for protecting the country from terrorist attack... but who clearly knew what was going on five years before we heard a peep out of them.

http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/

Posted by: ReaganiteRepublican | May 14, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Democrats would serve their vile cause well by distancing themselves far away from "can we drill your brains" Pelosi.

Posted by: wapoisajoke | May 14, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

You know what I hate about stories like this? It draws attention away from the fact that WE WANT PROSECUTIONS!

It's as if they were saying:

Pelosi is a Democrat
Pelosi was briefed about Torture
Pelosi didn't say anything
Therefore: Democrat's must be ok with torture

Which is a total load of BS.

I don't give a blankity blank about what Pelosi, Reid, Clinton or Obama were briefed about. Laws were broken, treaties were broken, people were tortured, people were murdered. Justice MUST be served or we are not a nation of laws, we are merely a nation of men.

Posted by: pdxgeek | May 14, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Nancy, you are not a virgin.

Posted by: 1uncle | May 14, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8:

It didn't take that much to drive "drindl" away.

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

babunsita- look again at my posts. I am a Freedomite. I have nothing but terror at the thought of any cheap scum thieving fascist traitor murder pig democrat having any say over my life whatsoever!

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Drudge goopers are drifting away .. cartoons must be coming on TV

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

If then President Ronald Reagan's Department of Justice can prosecute a domestic based Sherriff for water boarding why can't the Obama administration go after the Bush administration for the same crime?

Reagan's DOJ Prosecuted Texas Sheriff for Water boarding Prisoners
Monday 27 April 2009

by: Jason Leopold, t r u t h o u t | Report

George W. Bush's Justice Department said subjecting a person to the near drowning of water boarding was not a crime and didn't even cause pain, but Ronald Reagan's Justice Department thought otherwise, prosecuting a Texas sheriff and three deputies for using the practice to get confessions.

Federal prosecutors secured a 10-year sentence against the sheriff and four years in prison for the deputies. But that 1983 case - which would seem to be directly on point for a legal analysis on water boarding two decades later - was never mentioned in the four Bush administration opinions released last week.

The failure to cite the earlier water boarding case and a half-dozen other precedents that dealt with torture is reportedly one of the critical findings of a Justice Department watchdog report that legal sources say faults former Bush administration lawyers - Jay Bybee, John Yoo and Steven Bradbury - for violating "professional standards."

Posted by: HiTechCowBoy | May 14, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Finally, it seems that Nasty Nancy will finally get her just rewards! Maybe Nancy should be waterboarded until she confesses.

Posted by: mwscott1999 | May 14, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Rank liar.

Posted by: JackHammer | May 14, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Nancy: You are no longer a little girl in Little Italy in Baltimore. Grownups should tell the truth. If you still lived in Baltimore I would move back there to vote your lying butt out of office.

Posted by: paparich | May 14, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

This is no different than all of the typical "monday morning quarterbacking" that Dems always do. Like when they voted to invade Iraq, but then when oppinion changed they pretended like they didn't vote for that war.
Waterboarding is the exact same situation. Sounded good to them 6 years ago.

Posted by: stocks911 | May 14, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

starvingactor,

You sound like a nice person but your problem is you live in another world. Government never solves anything - which I assume you think it does. Now liberals want to give us nationalized health care.
God help us.

Are you going to trust the bureaucrats in Washington run health care - You must be insane.

Posted by: babunsita | May 14, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

CNN gave her a big write up. In reading her double talk about she was not there and an aide told her and she didn't understand and Bush did it and on and on and on.

Maybe she is telling the truth: she's not fit for the job. Just...not in so many words.

Posted by: pg3914 | May 14, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Democrats are trying to frame Republicans as "The Party of No", but can't seem to get past being "The Party of Blame Bush".

Posted by: BinkyLover | May 14, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: HiTechCowBoy | May 14, 2009 2:44 PM

With the length of the post I am wondering...no job? HiTechDuhBoy

Still you don't address that for a decade the democrat stance on Iraq was that they had and continued to develop WMD. Need more examples? Heeeeeres Al:

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

Bill Clinton appeared on Larry King Live (Commie News Network) and stated "he had em, we just don't know where they went".

Posted by: StewieG | May 14, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

There was a time in this country when the CIA wouldn't take this kind of crap. If someone publicly did this kind of thing, they would simply dissappear.

--- chriswryan @ 2:42 p.m.

========

No worries. Now they'll just slowly zap her brains out with a silent, microwave radiation "directed energy weapon"...

...the weapons that the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION is blindly spending tens of billions of dollars on..

...without realizing they are making possible "the perfect crime."

WHERE ARE THE CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS ON THE DANGERS OF 'DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS'?

READ THIS:

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

http://nowpublic.com/world/bush-torture-memos-oked-radiation-weapon-use-americans-too

OR (if links are corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | May 14, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"hey chrisfox8- did it ever occur to you that your's may have been one of the lives that was saved?"

==

Never crossed my mind, because the only purpose of torture is to get false confessions, which don't save lives.

On the contrary, we had thousands of valuable man-hours chasing shadows and phony plots.

You think Saddam was connected to 9/11, right?

SO glad you guys are out of power.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

You can tell when Pelosi is lying.
Her eyes are blinking and her lips are moving.

Posted by: joelevin | May 14, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Waterboarding isnt Torture. - it might be if you have an irrational fear of water. Most people would find it to be uncomfortable and annoying, but Torture??? Good grief! I tried it, just to see how horrific it is....NOT!!!

In this context, one could claim that torture is listening to an Obama teleprompter speech. The worst part was being constricted so you cant scratch your nose, much like not being able to turn the volume off on our commander in chief, which I do every time I hear him open his mouth.

Nancy Pelosi has been caught in the same lie the dems didnt get caught in when they said "Bush lied and people died" They all had the same information, but got away with saying they didnt. - She's just using the same crap again. It worked then, why not now? Wake up people, Democrats lie, just like the other guys, only they are in power now. They think they can get away with anything now. Are you going let them?

Posted by: dimbulbz | May 14, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

jrm2-

I chose "least" on purpose for i know that the whole point of the CIA is covert operations. But i don't trust Madam Speaker at all!

Posted by: BreakNobama | May 14, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is the Roger Clemens of the House.

Posted by: Alderene | May 14, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"No, not at all, just fighting for our convictions"

==

You guys don't have any convictions, you're just powerless and too stupid to understand how thoroughly you've been had.

Now put your apron back on and get back to work, the customers want their FRENCH fries

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

For the first time in my adult life I can truly say that when I watch this Congress and the Obama administration continue to destroy everything they touch, I am no longer proud of my nation.

Posted by: joelevin | May 14, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi???, can you give me one reason why any member of the U.S. House of Representatives “The 435” deserved to have been reelected in November,2008?

After reading Vincent Bugliosi's book on George W. Bush(Excellent book, and I voted twice for Bush)it makes that question even harder to answer!

Posted by: trg13 | May 14, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

hey chrisfox8- did it ever occur to you that your's may have been one of the lives that was saved? Of course not! next time you might not be so lucky! FOOL!!

Posted by: yankee11 | May 14, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

BreakNobama: In reality, I trust Pelosi the least also, but as of now, there is no hard evidence.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

PELOSI , REED and OBAMA are gonna get millions of Americans killed when the 20 megaton NUKE goes off off shore on a cargo ship.

BRING BUSH BACK


http://www.thankyoupresidentgeorgewbush.com

Posted by: typgwb | May 14, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

JRM2-

Thank you for the laugh. Hey SS, if you are listening:

"ABORT NOBAMA, NOT THE UNBORN"

Posted by: BreakNobama | May 14, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

PELOSI , REED and OBAMA are gonna get millions of Americans killed when the 20 megaton NUKE goes off off shore on a cargo ship.

BRING BUSH BACK

3ws dt thankyoupresidentrgeorgewbush dt cm

3ws dt thankyoupresidentrgeorgewbush dt cm

3ws dt thankyoupresidentrgeorgewbush dt cm

Posted by: typgwb | May 14, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

chriswryan:

She does blink excessively, doesn't she. That's no crime though. I'm sure it is no one's intent here to do anything illegal against Madam Speaker ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8 must still live at home in his momma's basement and borrow her computer during the day while she works and he plays video games and fiddles with himself to make up for the fact that he is too stupid to get or hold a job.

Posted by: joelevin | May 14, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"Pelosi waterboarded:

I'll pay $50 to see that! Where do we send the money?!

Posted by: BreakNobama |"
-----
Send it to a criminal defense lawyer to protect you from prosecution for inciting and financing torture of a government official.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 2:43 PM

Do they take foodstamps? I'll be sending my payment too.

Posted by: StewieG | May 14, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

JRM2-

You side step very well. Let's try this again for perhaps my articulation was lacking.

One of them IS lying. You state the CIA must show the proof she is lying but yet Madam herself has already stated the CIA is lying. They can't both be telling the truth. SO, yes of course I believe in the fundamental principle of 'Innocence' but in this case one must be lying and i trust Pelosi the least.

Posted by: BreakNobama | May 14, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

StewieG

It was Public Law 107-243 which Congress passed authorizing Bush to use force against Iraq to make it comply with U.N. Resolutions that it disarm itself of WMD.

The report sent up to Congress to make the case for Public Law 107-243 was loaded up with purposefully fabricated lies channeled to it by the DoD Office of Special Plans (OSP), run by Doug Fieth. In the case of the mobile weapons trailers, that data was supplied to it by Ahmed Chalabi's alcoholic con man, code named Curveball. Chalabi and the Iraqi National Congress, the source of the overwhelming majority of the WMD prewar intelligence were paid for by the DoD after the INC had been fired by both the U.S. State Department and CIA for misappropriation of U.S. Government grants. Chalabi himself was wanted by Iraq for stealing over $300 million form a bank he ran in that nation. This man and his organization were the Bush administrations primary sources of Iraq WMD pre-war intelligence.

Furthermore, prior to the Bush administration sending up the intelligence report to Congress to deceive its members and get Public Law 107-243 passed, CIA head of Clandestine Operations in Europe, Tyler Drumheller told then CIA Director that Iraq had no WMD. CIA Director George Tenet then told the President, the Vice President and National Security Advisor Rice in a meeting at the White House.

This is what Drumheller stated in a CBS 60 Minutes interview on April 23, 2006:

"The policy was set," Drumheller says. "The war in Iraq was coming. And they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy, to justify the policy."

Drumheller expected the White House to ask for more information from the Iraqi foreign minister.

But he says he was taken aback by what happened. "The group that was dealing with preparation for the Iraq war came back and said they're no longer interested," Drumheller recalls. "And we said, 'Well, what about the intel?' And they said, 'Well, this isn't about intel anymore. This is about regime change.'"

Congress failed to declare war against Iraq as the Constitution of the United States mandates. The invasion and subsequent occupation was illegal, and the torture is illegal!

Posted by: HiTechCowBoy | May 14, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

There was a time in this country when the CIA wouldn't take this kind of crap. If someone publicly did this kind of thing, they would simply dissappear.

==

I bet you miss the Soviet Union

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"Pelosi waterboarded:

I'll pay $50 to see that! Where do we send the money?!

Posted by: BreakNobama |"
-----
Send it to a criminal defense lawyer to protect you from prosecution for inciting and financing torture of a government official.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

There was a time in this country when the CIA wouldn't take this kind of crap. If someone publicly did this kind of thing, they would simply dissappear.

Oh what I wouldn't give to have those days back, and to not have to look at this excessively blinking moron again.

Posted by: chriswryan | May 14, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

http://speaker.house.gov/contact/

Office of the Speaker
H-232, US Capitol
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-0100

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi lied, integrity died!

Posted by: USA_Patriot1 | May 14, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

JRM: SERE Is for troops. The agency has an entirely unique training regimen. Have you never heard of those who fail the torture test? Out in the countryside freaked out folks running to a farmhouse begging for help- they escaped- but forgot they were in training.... what our people can expect if captured is truly hideous compared to the worst we have done (except constantly making the public see WAXMAN and WYDEN and the dems...golly their chicks are PIGS!!!)

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

ChrisFox8-

You essentially stated that those oyu disagree with (conservatives, republicans, etc) are all knuckle...what do you not understand?

No, not at all, just fighting for our convictions as loudly and ardently as y'all did for 6 years - no different except you guys don't like it one bit.

Well, guess what Chrissypoo, I'LL GIVE YOUR PRESIDENT (and his sycophants) THE SAME RESPECT YOU GAVE MINE!

Posted by: BreakNobama | May 14, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD:

At least it makes my job easier ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

DAMN YOU, DRUDGE!!!

Can't he link that banner to somewhere else? I'm sure the fix isn't the only place with this story.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BreakNobama | No, what I said was that until I see the CIA come forward with the damning information I will not "accuse" anyone because unless you forgot, we as a nation believe someone is innocent until proven guilty. Maybe the torture to elicit false confessions made you forget the rule of law.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

TEAM OBAMA: Can You Say "PAID TROLL"?


How many of the blog-mobbing posts below were written and commissioned on the public's dime by officials who now (ostensibly) work for Barack Obama?

And when will Team Obama get wise to it?


http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | May 14, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

babunbsita- the worthless lying piece of rat crap liberals actually do have a value... I know it seems hard to think WHAT it is- in terms of humans, none! BUT- we can solve the environmental problems and a lot of what ails the USA, if we 1: boil the democrats for the oil, and run city buses 2 use the protiens for pet food, and 3: use the bones for highway construction aggregate (sidebar: ignore the construction companies who HATE recycled tire roadways which last longer, and use the tires there.... there are plenty of roads to get covered!! and we need good roads NOW).

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"A little, rarely discussed fact-- those conducting waterboarding are exposed to waterboarding themselves, as a part of their training.

So can our CIA people sue the US for forcing them to be "tortured" in order to get a job?

Seriously, folks.

Posted by: ByteRide"
----
Your IGNORANCE is showing, the SERE training program is performed under very controlled conditions for a very short period of time, more of a demonstration to teach a small amount of military personnel who are likely to get captured how to resist those types of interrogation. In fact, one of the instructors for SERE training recently went on record as stating that torture does not work to get reliable information, but is great for getting a false confession.

Keep digging that hole Repuke!

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

JRM2-

Hold on a sec! Pelosi is accusing THE CIA of lying. Ok, so inherently she is stating that whatever they say is not truth but yet you believe whatever she says to be the truth, until proven otherwise. Someone has to be lying in the above described situation and do you really believe THE CIA, under George Tenet's (appointed by Clinton) lied before you believe Pelosi, a lifelong politician, lied?

Posted by: BreakNobama | May 14, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"i would like to see how many times torture saved American lives."

==

"zero" would be my guess

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

scrivener50 - i would like to see how many times torture saved American lives. that's what the dims will try to hide.

Posted by: me_wwwing | May 14, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

hello etpietro- schumer!! Yech- how he gets re-elected MUST be a political machine- anyone recall how on 9/12/01 he got on camera and said "this shows we need more gun control"?? That translates to "19 foreigners with knives killed 3,000 Americans, now therefor we must disarm the Americans"- evil traitor pig, he is!!

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

First let me share the fact that Speaker Pelosi was directly and personally notified back in the early part of 2003 that a certain corporation was hiding upwards of 400 million dollars of negative cash (non gaap), that this information was available at www.sec.gov, that it had been going on as far back as 1994, with no mention in their 10Q (quarterly SEC reports).

Given I have first hand knowledge of this example of turning a blind eye to serious SEC and corporate problems, I have no problem realizing that this lady will say whatever to keep herself out of trouble.

Even given this kind of first hand knowledge, one has to look at the fact she was clearly made aware of the existence of waterboarding and that it had been reviewed from a legal context. Any sane and responsible politician would have uttered their disagreement at that point. To do otherwise is to admit to not carrying out their Constitutional Oath of office.

As for the secrecy employed by the CIA about this, that has been standard operating procedure for at least half a century in order to protect the national security of this nation as loose lips sink ships.

Posted by: lionheart23031 | May 14, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"Love it! You name call when you disagree. Must me nice to be smarter than everyone else"

==

What the devil are you talking about? There is nothing here to agree or disagree with, just a lot of hysterical right-wingers who haven't adjusted yet to being out of power.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

PELOSI IS SINKING OBAMA'S HOPE FOR A SECOND TERM. HE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO THROW HER UNDER THE BUS.....UNLESS HE MAKES HER INTO A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE...AND THEN SHE DOESN'T GET TO KEEP HER AIRPLANE!

BYE BYE BOTOX LADY. DLTDHYITAOTWO

Posted by: joelevin | May 14, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Cowboy--Just love your logic. Saddam used WMD on his on people and then was tried, convicted, and hanged. The U.S. invasion was illegal and President Bush and his crew lied, lied, and lied so more. Hard to accept that Saddam used WMD and that they all then just mysteriously disappeared.

So if the United States hadn't invaded, what court would have tried Saddam--much less convicted him and carried out sentence? Just a small little omission in your argument.

As to moving to a country with a dictatorship, don't look now but Comrade Obie is trying to make that happen.

Posted by: 2013Gman | May 14, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi waterboarded:

I'll pay $50 to see that! Where do we send the money?!

Posted by: BreakNobama | May 14, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"GET YOUR FACT STRAIGHT, LIBERAL.
Posted by: ByteRider | May 14, 2009 2:24 PM | "
------
Care to substantiate your "facts" a typical repuke, make a claim, no proof.

The CIA has not come forward and substantiated that the specific use of waterboarding was revealed in those briefings, until they do, I will not ACCUSE someone just because I don't like them, something the repukes LOVE to do.

Get your facts straight repuke!

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

We need Pelosi, Biden et al. They just prove what good for nothing lying piece of rat crap liberals are.

Posted by: babunsita | May 14, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

GOP: BE CAREFUL OF WHAT YOU WISH FOR


Maybe Nancy is crazy like a fox...

and she will use her "memory lapse" to lure the GOP into accepting a full investigation into the Bush-Cheney Reign of Terror.

Yes! Let's get to the bottom of Nancy's "lies"...

...along with the lies and criminal actions of those who CONTINUE to administer "the torture matrix" AT HOME and abroad...

...ongoing human rights abuses enabled by the naivete of liberals -- and a compliant mainstream media:


http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR (if link is corrupted / disabled);

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | May 14, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't see what the big deal is. There is a sure-fire method for getting at the truth.
You get the the hose and I'll get the board and the pillowcase. $25 admission to watch Madame Speaker get waterboarded.

Posted by: nequelquepart

Ha! Ha! I think you have come up with a way to balance the budget!

Posted by: wheresmymoney1 | May 14, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

ChrisFox8-

Love it! You name call when you disagree. Must me nice to be smarter than everyone else.

Posted by: BreakNobama | May 14, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Pot meet kettle. Pelosi is so sleazy she gives liars a bad name.

Posted by: kenpasadena | May 14, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

turning on the TV and seeing biden, pelosi, feinstein, schumer - WAXMAN!!! Now THAT is torture!!! Having then to listen to them claim desires to erase our constitution, that is TERRORISM!!! ENOUGH!!!

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

A little, rarely discussed fact-- those conducting waterboarding are exposed to waterboarding themselves, as a part of their training.

So can our CIA people sue the US for forcing them to be "tortured" in order to get a job?

Seriously, folks.

Posted by: ByteRider | May 14, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Criminals love making others complicit in their crimes, as a sort of insurance policy. Let's see if it worked.

Posted by: nodebris | May 14, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

It's -- no -- use. Too--damned--old--to--be--taught.

Posted by: AlaninMissoula | May 14, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

So this is what happens when Drudge launches a Flying Monkey attack .. wow, look at all these knucklewalkers

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

" as usual you brain dead Liberals just call names when you have no logical argument.

"Well I give President Zero a few more months of ingnoring the Constitution breaking the law and out and out lying to catch up to her."

Posted by: harley2002
--------
Your screen name explains your last post. I can make all kinds of statements like "Ignoring the constitution" the only distinction is I can substantiate my accusations.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Time for a special prosecutor, doncha think?

Posted by: SarahBB | May 14, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The House is using Ubuntu for their servers? That's a desktop OS! They should be using RedHat

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

HTCowboy-

You are kidding right? You "claim" the below as if it were fact. I especially love the part about using "fabricated pre-war intel to deceive Congress" - are oyu talking about the same ERRANT, not fabricated, intel that every western nation agreed upon? Are you talking about the errant intel that the Clinton Admin had that led the to label Saddam and Iraq as a nation with a WMD program? Your silly talking points are just that, silly.

As for torture - just for arguments sake show me were in the Constitution it bans such - literally pls - no another privacy clause BS argument like that of RvW!

And the militants are just freedom fighters in your eyes, huh? I suggest you take your pu$$y ass to another country because you see in this country we dont stand for the murder of 3,000 innocents sittin' down.

You make me wanna puke you little sissy cowgirl!

Posted by: BreakNobama | May 14, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

JRM2 Wrote:
"Listen to all these accusers, there are no facts available (yet) that proved she lied, you guys are about as credible as the torturers themselves."

Wrong, bozo, they HAVE proof... hence why all this is getting stirred up. The CIA released a number of memos resulting from the meetings Pisslosi was in, which is causing her embarrassment. GET YOUR FACT STRAIGHT, LIBERAL.

Posted by: ByteRider | May 14, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I would certainly not intend to try to temper anyone's animosity for this disgusting witch, but the fact remains, that water boarding is NOT torture.

Anything you walk away from is hazing. It became torture last year when the libs decided to look for yet another excuse to accuse the Repubs of a fake crime.

So the question becomes, if there was no crime committed, can Pelosi be accused of lyig about it?

I think so in this case, but you'd have to ask Martha Stewart about that.

Posted by: sillygatboy | May 14, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

How could she have known? She's a Dem-wit, and she's pure of heart. There's no way that Dem-wits are corrupt!

Of course the corrupt, leftist-progressive members of the MSM will sweep this (like all Dem corruption) under the rug. After all, when you're working for the Peloshevik Revolution to remake America into a society of dependent drones, you can't let something like Dem-with corruption get in the way.

Posted by: STomPayne | May 14, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey, it's not that I'm not THOROUGHLY enjoying the public street dragging that Speaker Botox is currently going through (and which she deserves, I might add), but let's not single her out.

Don't forget about Chuck "Mr. Snark" Schumer. He is one of those leading the charge for investigations today, but....

....OOPS!

Now we have video of him in 2004 testifying that he would favor these practices if they would help save American lives:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4CWk5LfoH0

Charlie....you were right the first time back in 2004.

Today? You are just another Democrat hypocrite.

Posted by: etpietro | May 14, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

DEMOCRATS. YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR MORE AND MORE ABOUT THE LIES AND DECEIT OF PELOSI, WATERS, FEINSTEIN, FRANK, SCHUMER, DODD, KENNEDY, KERRY, SHARPTON, BIDEN, OBAMA, MICHELLE, TIMMY-BOY, SUMMERS, HILLIARY, MURPHA, JEFFERSON, BLAGO, AXELROD, THEFISHMONGERJEWBOY, AND EVERY SINGLE FRAUD IN CONGRESS AND THE ADMINISTRATION FOR FOUR YEARS MINIMUM, UNLESS WE GET THEM ALL IMPEACHED. FORGET ABOUT GOING AFTER BUSH, CHENEY, ROVE, DELAY, OR JESUS CHRIST...BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THE TRASH YOU VOTED INTO OFFICE DRUG THROUGH EVERY BAD DEED THEY EVER DID....AND THOSE ARE LEGION! YOU ARE GOING TO WISH THAT YOU HAD LEARNED MANNERS AND CIVILITY DURING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO GET BACK WORSE THAN YOU GAVE.

GET READY FOR THE RIDE OF YOUR STUPID LIFETIME. WE ARE NOT GOING TO LET YOUR CONGRESS AND OBAMA DESTROY AMERICA.

Posted by: joelevin | May 14, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox- you moron. The Americans are not bothered by a black President. We are bothered by marxist garbage people- any race, any gender. And by idiots.

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

2013Gman:

We may be swamping her servers.

Proxy Error
The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
The proxy server could not handle the request POST /contact/comment_email.

Reason: Error reading from remote server

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Apache/2.0.55 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.1.2 mod_ssl/2.0.55 OpenSSL/0.9.8a Server at speaker.house.gov Port 80

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

If you can't get her to admit the truth that she knew WATERBOARD HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She'll tell the truth then

Posted by: warpsix | May 14, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Wow BDS is still alive and well. Hang Bush for what? Repukes? as usual you brain dead Liberals just call names when you have no logical argument. Pelosi is one of the most corrupt liying politicians I have ever seen from either party. Well I give President Zero a few more months of ingnoring the Constitution breaking the law and out and out lying to catch up to her.

Posted by: harley2002 | May 14, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

HiTechCowboy,

Are you familiar with the term "enemy-combatant" or does that not appear in your liberal DailyKos lexicon? And my guess is that you are completely ignorant of the Constitution and its founding. If you did, you wouldn't be a liberal. The back door nationalization of our banks and auto industry is perhaps the most unconstitutional thing that any POTUS has ever done. The founders adamantly opposed the meddling of the Federal Government in the private sector AND FORBID IT. They clearly stated that the essential right that could ensure or deny all others was THE RIGHT TO PRIVATE PROPERTY. Do your homework before you try to lecture the rest of us. You are misinformed to be sure...but again, facts don't matter with the left...only feelings!!!

Posted by: AllSeeingEye | May 14, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

The issue at debate here is what does that have to do with the fabricated pre-war intelligence the Bush administration used to deceived Congress and the American people in order to invade a sovereign nation to seize control of its 215 billion barrels of oil for U.S. Energy Corporations? That illegal invasion precipitated the illegal torture of folks fighting invaders and wiretapping of millions of American citizens who opposed the administration actions surrounding its foreign policy

You need to stay on point here if you intend to debate this issue. The Bush administration acts violated not only the Geneva Accords but the Constitution of the United States and U.S. laws.

If you don't think these folks should be held responsible for their sordid and illegal acts then why don't you relocate to a nation that is ruled by a dictatorship?


Posted by: HiTechCowBoy


from the mouths of babes...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnjcofMFHsA

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Posted by: StewieG | May 14, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"I am so utterly sick and disgusted with republican obstruction and idiocy."

That's ironic, because if Pelosi would have shown a little obstructionism in 2002 maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation. Just why does she think she was briefed at all if not as a part of her oversight responsibilities? She's either painted herself to be a political hack liar, or a helpless rube unable to grasp much less execute her constitutional powers.

Posted by: mbuehner | May 14, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

she talks like all libs.
hope she keeps talking as it helps focus the point on HOW MUCH the "enhanced interrogation techniques" actually worked.

Posted by: me_wwwing | May 14, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

pelosi wants the creation of a truth commission to "determine how intelligence was misused and how controversial and possibly illegal activities like torture were authorized within the executive branch."

Stalin would be proud - let's have an 'investigation' to confirm the conclusions of our "truth commission".

I think they call that a "show trial".

'Defendant; you are now going to speak the Truth and confirm the Guilty plea that has been entered on your behalf, then we will read the charges that justify your death sentence'

'But your honor, my client has already been executed'

'Not relevant; the Truth must come out'

Posted by: Sashland | May 14, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"This thread, however, is about Pelosi's lies. Keep trying to "distract" from that though.

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 1:30 PM |"
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So JakeD, did you hijack this thread and became "the decider" on its topic?, or can you not see that the very first sentence in the article reads: "House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's (Calif.) assertion at a press conference this morning that the Bush administration and the Central Intelligence Agency misled her and the Congress"

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

This woman is a serial liar, and every time she opens her mouth she contradicts and digs herself into the hole even further. How do we know she's lying? Her lips are moving... Having her in the Speaker's chair is an insult to all Americans.

Posted by: martifr | May 14, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Only when pigs fly will Pelosi be remotely associated with the truth and with a complicit in the pocket of the left press could such a sophistry prevail.. James Calendar the early scandalmonger American pamphleteer would be proud of those who proceed with his methods.

The Sedition Act: James Callender
http://posterityproject.blogspot.com/2008/09/sedition-act-james-callender.html

Posted by: dryhole100 | May 14, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi lied.....terrorists cried!!

Posted by: GandolphFitch | May 14, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

http://speaker.house.gov/contact/

Office of the Speaker
H-232, US Capitol
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-0100

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi lied, people....got interrogated.

Posted by: amt4321 | May 14, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"such is the day in the life of your typical narcissistic sociopathic murder pig speaker of the house"
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Murder?, projecting much? no wonder you're starving.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

littleleers- I prefer confucius's line: Liar better have good memory. hahahahaa but both are spot on accurate!

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

May I suggest an exercise that is more valuable than responding to the kool-aid drinkers here--email Speaker Pelosi. As Speaker of the House of the United States, she represents you. Go the the Pelosi Speaker website and hit the contact button. Let her know how you feel and that she should resign for the good of America. She is an embarassment and needs to know how tax paying Americans feel about her. While I always leave my name and address, she and her staff are too gutless to respond. It's another reason why her approval rating is half of what President Bush's was at his lowest point.

Posted by: 2013Gman | May 14, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

She was briefed on this, she signed off on this and now in true democratic style she is lying about what she knew. If anyone thinks she didn't know from the get go is living in dreamy dream land (oh wait! that's where all of the Democrats live). When the truth comes out, blame it on someone else (Oh! I was misled. Oh Woe is me.).

Posted by: warpsix | May 14, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Listen to all these accusers, there are no facts available (yet) that proved she lied, you guys are about as credible as the torturers themselves.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Gad, this woman is incredibly stupid, and gullible. The more Nancy speaks, the deeper both feet go into her mouth.

NANCY PENDEJA, QUIT WHILE YOU STILL CAN.

Posted by: JacksonPearson1 | May 14, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I love it. She is hanging herself.

Posted by: ewest934 | May 14, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

“He who is not very strong in memory should not meddle with lying”

Michel de Montaigne quotes (French Philosopher and Writer. 1533-1592)

The above says it all!

Posted by: littleleers | May 14, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Between a black president and a female Speaker of the House it looks like the wingnuts have gone completely deranged. Fine with me, but it'd be nice if they were just a LITTLE less repetitive and a LITTLE more clever ...

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

well....such is the day in the life of your typical narcissistic sociopathic murder pig speaker of the house, when caught in a lie, unable to count any more on folks ignoring truth...

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

The contention that she was powerless to do anything about the info she received is nonsense. Congress REQUIRES these briefings for the purpose of exercising oversight. Otherwise, what the h*** is the point of having them? The House controls the purse strings. Threatening to cut off funding would have gotten their attention. If you learn of something as repugnant as she claims waterboarding is, you at least send a letter to the WH to protest. By all accounts, though, she asked what MORE could be done. Face it, she's caught in a lie that was told in the first place for no other reason than to smear the Bush administration. Goodbye, Nancy.

Posted by: mastermind238 | May 14, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

" libs are fools!.....

shoo! shoo! out!

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 2:06 PM "
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Hey Chris, let's make a deal, we'll give you Nancy and you give us DIck, George, Donald and...and...and...and...

GET THE POINT?

Repukes are the real fools here, keep digging yourselves a deeper hole, keep the debate alive!

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

2013Gman

I call it mass murder. Saddam was arrested, tried, convicted and hung for those crimes. If Iraq can prosecute, convict, and hang a war criminal like Saddam for his acts, the why can't the U.S.?

The issue at debate here is what does that have to do with the fabricated pre-war intelligence the Bush administration used to deceived Congress and the American people in order to invade a sovereign nation to seize control of its 215 billion barrels of oil for U.S. Energy Corporations? That illegal invasion precipitated the illegal torture of folks fighting invaders and wiretapping of millions of American citizens who opposed the administration actions surrounding its foreign policy

You need to stay on point here if you intend to debate this issue. The Bush administration acts violated not only the Geneva Accords but the Constitution of the United States and U.S. laws.

If you don't think these folks should be held responsible for their sordid and illegal acts then why don't you relocate to a nation that is ruled by a dictatorship?

Posted by: HiTechCowBoy | May 14, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

...blah, blah, blah Bush, Cheney, Haliburton, blah, blah, blah torture, waterboarding, war crimes, blah, blah, blah...

Posted by: AllSeeingEye

Great post but:

You forgot two important words from the democrat talking points.

ABU GRAHIB.

Posted by: StewieG | May 14, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi thinks she can lie as well as Obama. Pelosi failed. Obama will be next.

Posted by: wapoisajoke | May 14, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

StewieG:

Is that you?! You want a soda?

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

The Speaker was b briefed on C.I.A. interrogation methods from the beginning and expressed no outrage at all. Now she claims Bush misled her and the Congress with false and conflicting information. Now she's attempting to misled the country the using the "I confess, Bush did it" technique. First says this, then says that. Then flip-flops attempting to throw the issue back to the Bush administration. The time has come for a public Congressional hearing on the matter so that all the facts are presented and let the people know if she is in fact an accomplice to torture.

Posted by: jbcausa | May 14, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PROUD OF MY COUNTRY - ALL MY LIFE. NOW THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT HAVE MADE THIS COUTRY GREAT ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY - INDEPENDANCE, LIBERTY, FREEDOM AND SELF-RELIANCE - I AM GREATLY SADDEND. WHO WILL JOIN ME AT STANDING UP TO THIS INCEDIOUS CROUD TO RECLAIM THIS ONCE-GREAT, PROUD COUNTRY? WHO?


You don't understand Nancy. Nancy doesn't believe our nations laws pertain to her. She believes SHE makes the laws SHE wants to live by - not the other way around.

Gordon Getty and his firm, Forward Management, have financed Nancy and the Mayor of S.F. - they were instrumental in pushing Clinton aside for Obama. This is a very corrupt and insidious crowd who truly believe they are above the law. My guess is Nancy is stunned anyone would dare question her lies. "Who the hell are you to question ME!?"

Pelosi's husband used to head up Forward Management for Gordon Getty. It is a political machine disguised as a Mutual Fund Company. The Rube that took Pelosi's husband's job flies around the world - First Class - spouts Global Warming B.S. - drives a big Mercedes and wouldn't dream of living under the same restrictions he wants to put on all of us in the name of Liberalism.

Wake-up everybody! This is a tight group who wants nothing more than to take your liberties for their increased power.

Posted by: debrindler2 | May 14, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Drindl,

You think the republicans have a monopoly on facism, really?

Check the below, straight from your favorite, Wiki:

****Position in the political spectrum***

"Historians do not place all fascists in the same position on the political spectrum - groups have been placed "left, right and center," or not even in the spectrum at all.[21][22][23]"

Posted by: BreakNobama | May 14, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

starvingactor:

LOL! Now we have "chrisfox8" to torment : )

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Never, NEVER, underestimate the Democrats ability to shoot themselves in the foot! Oh Nancy!!! Ohhh what a tangled web we weave......... Oh yeah, for those of you who haven't figured this out before, because maybe you live in la la land or were raised in a barn. It is NEVER a smart idea to go to war against the CIA. Pelosi is TOAST! T--O--A--S--T!!

Posted by: jadrummond | May 14, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Can you say LIAR!

Posted by: Rezz909 | May 14, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse


Boy this woman is in trouble. She has ruthlessly screwed everyone around her and now it's payback time.

Posted by: CaptSpalding | May 14, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"I have on very good authority from a friend that works at the CIA"

==

hahahahahahaha

sure you do tyke, sure you do

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

fun would be to see what drindl is doing...smashing her computer on the wall in hystercal anger at the Americans who dare to say nasty things about the witch pelosi? Or, shaking in the mirror doing the stuart smalley "I am OK" routine? Tiny brained democrats are the biggest thorn in our freedom!! TELL THEM EVERY DAY.

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

It speaks for itself, she lied. Now get rid of her.

Posted by: Rezz909 | May 14, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"BaaaaHahahahahaha - It's George's fault!!! If this was not so funny, I'd be sad. OK, so she lies about something this huge, and we are supposed to believer her about everything else she is telling America? BaaaaaHahahahahahahaha - libs are fools! Uh, all good is us, all bad is 'dem racist bigoted, torturing conservatives..."

==

shoo! shoo! out!

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I have on very good authority from a friend that works at the CIA, that the sessions that Pelosi and several other Democrats were briefed regarding EIT, including waterboarding, were RECORDED. Pelosi and otjer Democrats are clearly heard on the recordings to be discussing waterboarding and several other methods of interrogation that are now considered by Democrats as torture. The CIA are just waiting for Pelosi and others to dig a hole they cannot possibly get out of.

Posted by: Editorial_Response | May 14, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: HiTechDuhBoy

The invasion of Iraq was undertaken after approval from Congress. So most of your post is pure crap. Ever look up the Iraq Regime Change Act of 1998? How bout democrat quotes on WMD?

Wiretapping of Americans was done under the Clinton administration.

The domestic electronic surveillance ball really got rolling under the Clinton administration, with the 1994 Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA).


Posted by: StewieG | May 14, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Was that a photo of Pinochio, no that was Nancy Pelosi with her nose growing. Someone once said, "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." In this case, who will end up with egg on their face? Will it be the CIA with their notes and lists of people who were briefed and what they were told, or the lying Nancy Pelosi with nothing but her selective memory. My bet is on the CIA.

Posted by: Lpar | May 14, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Someone -- should teach this guy -- how not to use -- these -- dashes.

Posted by: crumppie | May 14, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

NANCY LIED. WATERBOARDS DRIED.

Posted by: scola91660 | May 14, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

BaaaaHahahahahaha - It's George's fault!!! If this was not so funny, I'd be sad. OK, so she lies about something this huge, and we are supposed to believer her about everything else she is telling America? BaaaaaHahahahahahahaha - libs are fools! Uh, all good is us, all bad is 'dem racist bigoted, torturing conservatives...

Posted by: thebrokerman | May 14, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

drindl thinks it hurt us by leaving. Typical dem stuff- what matters more than anything is being liked.. except too damned stupid to see how detestable it is... democrats are the biggest threat to freedom, which is why Americans are who populate the list of the biggest threats to the democrats!

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Speaker "Drindl" has to call the House to order for a series of five minute speeches on the BCS system...you know the really important stuff! Give me back the fruits of my labor you tax-and-spend elitists!!!

Posted by: AllSeeingEye | May 14, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

How ironic that Pelsoi and the dems thought EIT's would help them politically and now has totally blown up in there faces. To call the CIA liars because you are trying to take the spotlight off of yourself is pathetic. I have no doubt the CIA kept copious notes as they have been burned before by political opportunism. Its over for the dems in the House. John Boehner should go ahead and scope out his new office for 2010.

Posted by: vbhoomes | May 14, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

drindl,

Then why do you continue to read the posts? And you would know about maggots, since your party eats on the hard working people.

Posted by: mando1975 | May 14, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of what Pelosi knew and when she knew it. She had no power to change anything and publicly exposing it would be a breach of her duty not to disclose intelligence matters. That fact that congress was misled is not very far fetched. We know that congress and the American people were lied to about the supposed reason for war, known weapons of mass destruction.

It is not much of a leap to see that congress people privy to intelligence briefings were also misled.

Here we have Republicans using the "Yes but" argument. There weren't really weapons of mass destruction -- yes, but isn't it nice to be rid of Sadam Hussien? The Bush administration condoned and even encouraged torture, yes, but a few Democrats privy to intelligence briefings knew about it too.

It has little to do with the fact that the Bush administration went against all of our principles to torture people under our power. And what's worse, they left a handful of reservists from Maryland get hung out to dry while they were doing just what the Bush administration wanted them to. Renegade soldiers indeed.

Posted by: AlaninMissoula | May 14, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Lied. Waterboards Dried.

Posted by: scola91660 | May 14, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I think drindl just got bested by logic and facts. So in typical liberal fashion, drindl claims victory and makes an exit.

Posted by: dcunning30 | May 14, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Reading the rightwing posts is like watching maggots on a corpse. Too revolting. too vomit inducing to do for very long. It's a sickness.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 1:57 PM
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Whatever you say DEMOTARD

Posted by: wapoisajoke | May 14, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Scratch that...Drindl must be Pelosi...the logic is exactly the same...blah, blah, blah Bush, Cheney, Haliburton, blah, blah, blah torture, waterboarding, war crimes, blah, blah, blah...I was never briefed, blah, blah, blah...ok I was briefed but didn't understand, blah, blah, blah, etc. No meaning, just words.

Posted by: AllSeeingEye | May 14, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe her for one moment. She is a pathetically poor liar. Bring on the Hearings,

Posted by: dencal26 | May 14, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Good-bye then, drindl, and good riddance. Don't let the door hit you ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

THE FIX : Pelosi needs to step down

Posted by: wapoisajoke | May 14, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

First of all, Comrade Pelosi does not need a truth commission to tie up peoples' time in practicing partisan politics. She needs some truth serum.

Secondly, if waterboarding was torture, why has the U.S. Navy been waterboarding literally thousands of air crewman in SERE training for several decades. Should they now sue the government for abuse?

Comrade Pelosi needs to retire and take a bailout.

Posted by: pg3914 | May 14, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Reading the rightwing posts is like watching maggots on a corpse. Too revolting. too vomit inducing to do for very long. It's a sickness.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

drindl,

Your words are just as angry, but like a typical liberal, you can't and will not take responsibility.

Posted by: mando1975 | May 14, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Pleosi is such a bold face idiot. She is the face of the Democratic Party. Truly you get what you vote for. Yes she knew, Yes she knew, Yes she knew, Yes she Knew...

Posted by: fmike0210 | May 14, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Amusing. Do a definition search of fascism. Read all the definitions. Some of them say it's extreme right. But all of the definitions actually describe an authoritarian government more in line with what Obama is moving toward right now. Do the search for yourselves! LOL!

Posted by: dcunning30 | May 14, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is one of the most prolific lyers in the congress, and I hope that the CIA will breing out everything they have on her, she has called out the CIA and deserves what ever they have on her just as they did Jesse Jackson and all of the low life liberal snakes. You do not take on the CIA because like it or not they can show all of the secrets you thought you buried. Ihope they hound her and all of the other congressional and senate libs that have hidden secrets and I wish they would bring out what they have on Ovomit and his close buddies.She tried to turn attention to Bush again with the lame BS about the weapons of mass destruction,taht she and several dems said they were sure were there another slip of her memory. I want her Harry Greid, Murtha Holder Gaither and their newist Dem(Spector) taken down Iwould dearly love to see prison terms set for all of them and every other jack ass involved

Posted by: skpfoss | May 14, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Every problem our nation has, stems from our being convinced years ago to coddle criminals...so now we tolerate criminals, and have the mess we are in. Of course, it would not be AS bad, if democrats were not criminals... Let's decide NOW to STOP TOLERATING CRIMINALS- elected, or not!

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Hahaha...just found the race card Drindl...you pulled that out pretty early sport! Must be desperation.

Posted by: AllSeeingEye | May 14, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

We don't need external enemies to bring us down. The fighting between the two parties will weaken our country for them.

Posted by: animalfarmusa1 | May 14, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Q: How can you tell when botox pelosi is NOT lying?

A: Forgetaboutit - that NEVER happens.

Posted by: LoonyLeft | May 14, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

What a disgusting witch she is

Posted by: sillygatboy | May 14, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

The funniest thing to do on this forum is to go through and read all of drindl's post...it makes me sooooo proud to not be a liberal. Drindl...you literally sound like you should be in a straight jacket...no logic what-so-ever...just a rambling connection of leftist talking points. Anyone who tries to defend Pelosi at this point is either ignorant or a complete partisan hack (so an idiot either way) Thank you for the good times today Drindl!

Posted by: AllSeeingEye | May 14, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Just read the rightwing hatred and violence here and you will see why the GOP is doomed.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

drindl,

No, you are the stupid one. Actually, I suggest you spend your afternoon looking up the word fascism, instead of reading up on Che. Too bad your mother did not abort you!

Posted by: mando1975 | May 14, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

DottieEllen--You really don't have a clue, do you?

Posted by: 2013Gman | May 14, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"Dotellen: yes, Democrat Nancy Pelosi did not know that, as she was being briefed in September 2002 about the POSSIBILITY of these procedures being used, they were in fact ALREADY being used. That is what she is saying.

And even if she was told, in February 2003 (note the before/after elections timeline here), that the techniques were being used, she was helpless to prevent them."

You must be thirsty after that rant. More Kool-Aid?

Posted by: willdd | May 14, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a dangerous person. I can't wait to see her go. However, it is like eliminating a dictator... the evil you know may be better than the replacement you don't.

Posted by: animalfarmusa1 | May 14, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

That the board is a rightwing sewer today is your fault. You should have known that these lunatics are obssessed with pelosi and want to kill her.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

drindl still thinks Pelosi is from the GOP ...

Barry and the rest of them will try to defend the witch Pelosi.

Posted by: blackhawks1 | May 14, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, Pelosi cannot be "impeached" -- she could be hounded to resign though -- too bad Cindy Sheehan didn't beat her last time around.

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

If Pelosi is waterboarded, she will still lie. This proved that waterboarding is not a torture..LOL

Posted by: TT13 | May 14, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi's ego is almost as much of an impediment to the Obama administration as the party-of-no Republicans in Congress. She could have just said that while she was opposed to waterboarding and torture, protocol required that she not disclose such information for security reasons and out of respect for the Constitution's separate branches of government.

Posted by: johnc_80 | May 14, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame that people can't stay focused on what the waterboarding, which is NOT torture, accomplished.

Study up on Sharia law!!! You all should be happy that we're not living under it...YET!!!!

Posted by: dhyhigh | May 14, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Madam Speaker would like to take a polygraph first to settle this matter and if she passes then have the CIA person who briefed her take the same test. Someone is not telling the truth. My money is on Pelosi not wanting to take the polygraph test.

Posted by: douggrif | May 14, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

It is time (indeed, PAST time) for this lying witch to RESIGN from the U.S. House of Representatives, and GO HOME!!!

Pelosi is turning into the female version of Bill Clinton right in front of us, and the only thing that makes her different is that she's NOT ADMITTING THAT SHE LIED!!!

Bill Clinton has more honor than this STUPID "representative"....

As a Californian, I am ASHAMED that this LIAR "represents" the Great State of California!!!

Posted by: jammies | May 14, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Not the best thing to have a war w/the CIA. We need these guys and we need to move forward. Our enemies are laughing there heads off. I hope we stay safe the next 4 years like the past 7.Dems are a bunch of clowns on this , the left are yanking that nose ring hard. Cant imagine any of this is good for the country.

Posted by: snapplecat07 | May 14, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh so we're back to that Democrat lie about being "mislead" again eh?

Democrats NEVER take responsibility for ANYTHING. They are always "mislead". And America is getting pretty damn sick of Democrat lies and the lowest approval ratings in history of the Democrat run congress prove it.

Democrats seem to be incapable of leading but they are always easily "mislead".

What are Democrats? Five year olds?

What a crock. What a party of thumb sucking bed wetters.

She has changed her story four times now. She's a lying sack and everyone knows it.

Posted by: Democrat_Culture_of_Corruption | May 14, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"You talk about the republicans, but you are an example of liberal facism. "

LOL. Got us a live one here, a real moron who is so illiterate he doesn't know that 'fascism' is a RIGHTWING ideology.

christ, how do people get this stupid anyway? Maybe their mothers were exposed to toxic chemicals while pregnant.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: drindl

Could you please keep posting your drivel, drindl? I haven't laughed this hard in a long, long time. Seeing where you are a true moonbat, I would bet that deep down inside you secretly love the fact that Arkansas state Sen. Kim Hendren called Schumer a jew. I would also bet that you use the word Zionist often.

Posted by: StewieG | May 14, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

WOW!

When a fool is in the midst of self-destruction, don't just get out of the way and let them. Pop some popcorn, pull up an easy chair, and watch the show!

Posted by: dcunning30 | May 14, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

This clears the way for a special prsecutor.

Pelosi has said she welcomes an investigation.

Dick the Chicken Hawk in chief has squawking like there was fox in his hen house.

Posted by: walker1 | May 14, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Ever see the movie "Casualties of War?"

Soldier Michael J. Fox suffers a crisis of conscience when the men on his patrol rape and murder a Vietnamese girl and then try to cover up the crime.

A significant scene in the movie is when the army chaplin finds him in a bar and he breaks down and tells of the atrocities he witnessed and says something like "and I was helpless to prevent it."

Republican George the Worst and his bloodthirsty, lying administration conceived and authorized the waterboarding atrocities, and yes, Democrat Nancy Pelosi did not know that, as she was being briefed in September 2002 about the POSSIBILITY of these procedures being used, they were in fact ALREADY being used. That is what she is saying.

And even if she was told, in February 2003 (note the before/after elections timeline here), that the techniques were being used, she was helpless to prevent them.

FURTHER hypocrisy comes from Republican John Boehner who seems to be criticizing Pelosi out of one side of his mouth and defending the atrocities out of the other.

The Republican Majority Leader in 2003 was Tom (The Hammer) DeLay.

Posted by: dotellen | May 14, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't see what the big deal is. There is a sure-fire method for getting at the truth.
You get the the hose and I'll get the board and the pillowcase. $25 admission to watch Madame Speaker get waterboarded.

Posted by: nequelquepart | May 14, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

drindl,

I think you meant to say, you are tired of the democratic obstruction and ignorance. You have made some of the most stupid comments I have ever had the pleasure of reading. You talk about the republicans, but you are an example of liberal facism. You are not objective or open minded. The democrats are the only ones obstructing anything. I do not need your kind to tell me how I should live my life. Face it, Nancy Pelosi is a lying, self serving piece of crap. I am sorry that you are living in denial. I suggest you wake up and start reading the facts, instead of getting your news from The Daily Show.

Posted by: mando1975 | May 14, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Cowboy--What do you call the process and the delivery system where Saddam gassed his own people?

Posted by: 2013Gman | May 14, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Say it with me here....She's a BIG, FAT LIAR and we all know liars go to hell.

Posted by: JustDoWhatsRight | May 14, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

5 DAYS!

Congress and the NY judge in the case should give Obama and AG Eric Holder 5 days to avoid contempt on CIA tapes and photos, obstruction of justice, and impeachment for their combined failure to release the items in question per a court order.

What we have here is a deliberate attempt by the president and this AG to shield what many believe are suspected rapists and child molesters of detainees and their children by US military personnel and/or their contractors from prosecution and subsequent reparations required by the US.

Posted by: HereComesTheJudge | May 14, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi said that she was more invloved in gettng back power than the security of the USA. IMPEACH HER if she can't do what she was elected to do!!!

Posted by: denverrep | May 14, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I will trust the CIA before I ever trust "can we drill your brains" Pelosi. She was complicit with water up the nose of a terrorist until she tried to stab her President in the back. She is a typical DEMOCRAT.

Posted by: wapoisajoke | May 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I watched her press conference live this morning. Pelosi looks beat. She's done. She was asked a hard question by one of the reporters and she fumbled through her notes to repeat her pre-written speech. It was worse than teleprompter. If Pelosi wants to insist in her lies she could at least be a better actress. Pursue the Bush admin. all she wants, it only will point directly at her in the end. I don't at all feel sorry for this two-faced wench. Pour water on her...she'll melt.

Posted by: scorekeepn | May 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

She will soon find that Donkey don't care, and will feed you do the wolves if need be.

She is deemed too arrogant by Rham & Company anyway... They already have one loose mouth in Biden to deflect away from the big O...

Two is one to many...

Posted by: farkel44 | May 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to extremist, gotchya politics. First, the left-wing attacks the righties for hypocrasy such as in the case of Senator Vitter, etc. Now the Right attacks the Left for the same thing. Pelosi got caught in a web of lies. Her defense now? Everyone else is lying, including the CIA, and multiple times. As a centrist American, I am tired of this garbage. The Left created this gotchya game, the Right is now playing it in response. The rest of us get extremist politics that do nothing but hurt the country as a result. Thanks a lot.

Posted by: Coullion | May 14, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Instead of two bullets, it should have been a whole clip.

Posted by: 2013Gman | May 14, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

The documented history of the Bush administration's carefully crafted bodyguard of lies to Congress, the American people, and our allies overseas regarding Iraq's alleged WMD programs and its links to the terrorists involved in the 9/11 attacks, the credibility of all information sources emanating from the Republicans remaining in Congress and residuals of that administration, I will side with Pelosi any day.

Three U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee reports, the CIA's own Dulfer Commission and Bush's own appointed Robb Silberman Commission reports on the sources and viability of the Iraqi Pre-War intelligence used by the Bush Administration to con congress into passing a public law allowing for the use of force against Iraq prove that nothing these folks say has any validity.

In this case it is not just the original crime surrounding the invasion of a sovereign nation to grab hold of its 215 billion barrels of oil for corporate campaign contributors who from 1998 through 2004 donated and spent on lobbying efforts over $500 million of which over 70% went to Republicans but the continuing cover-up of their war crimes which is at play here.

Bush, Cheney, Rove, Libby, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Rice and the rest are terrified they will be investigated not only for fabricating intelligence, but also for illegal torture and domestic wiretapping that they are using the same kind of disinformation through media sources such as the Rendon Group and Fox news to destroy Democracy and the rule of law in America. If our laws and Constitution win out over public ignorance and influence peddling, they will be investigated by a special prosecutor, tried and if found guilty, sentenced to life in prison or executed just as the Nazi war criminals from World War II.

Posted by: HiTechCowBoy | May 14, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I do love all the creative suggestions on what to mail Pelosi and other members of Congress, the administration, and any self-serving politician. So I'll add my own---why not a cow "patty"? You don't have to spend any money purchasing it, and it illustrates the point that what they are saying is total B.S.!

Posted by: mcvanover | May 14, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a great example of 1. why we need term limits. Two terms and you are OUT. 2. She is a great example for why the Speaker should be a position the voters choose and not the ruling class.

Pelosi represents the leftwing nuts of Northern California, not the country.

Generally, I would say Pelosi should go but she is presently helping cause a great Conservative resurgence.

Posted by: bobster01 | May 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a great example of 1. why we need term limits. Two terms and you are OUT. 2. She is a great example for why the Speaker should be a position the voters choose and not the ruling class.

Pelosi represents the leftwing nuts of Northern California, not the country.

Generally, I would say Pelosi should go but she is presently helping cause a great Conservative resurgence.

Posted by: bobster01 | May 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

drindl... are you sure your name's not drivel?

Posted by: Grizz | May 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

We need to BE DONE with the professional politicians - D! O! N! E! Resign now and go fishing

Posted by: jackspratt1 | May 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

God, this article is the banner link on Drudge. This is going to get ridiculous.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Former President Bush and the CIA never intentionally misled the American people about WMD. That has always been a DEMOCRAT lie and I am tired of their lies.

Posted by: wapoisajoke | May 14, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

This is not about Nancy Pelosi. that's just a distraction. Irt's (sic) about the lies of the bush(sic) adminsitration (sic):

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 1:27 PM

First off I can't stand typo's. Looks to me like instead of drinking that Kool Aid drindl, you should go back to school and finish English.

Posted by: StewieG | May 14, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"If the Liberal Fascists at the POST had done their job for We The People, instead of the bidding of their Party, the Democrats we would have known that Nancy has been lying to We The People for YEARS.

Of COURSE Nancy knew.......she's a flaming liberal elite rich lying snob, what's new?"

==

Who let the moron in? Whoever it is, get a towel and catch it and put it back outside before it ruins the carpets

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

This is funny in so many ways...'the andy griffith show ' -- and 'that jew' -- the gop is stuck in time -- about 1958. they are so over -- a luaghingstock to the young.


"Arkansas state Sen. Kim Hendren, who is currently the only announced Republican candidate for U.S. Senator against Democratic incumbent Blanche Lincoln in 2010, has apologized for referring to Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) as "that Jew," at a county Republican meeting last week.

"I don't use a teleprompter and occasionally I put my foot in my month," Hendren told Arkansas blogger Jason Tolbert.

"At the meeting I was attempting to explain that unlike Sen. Schumer, I believe in traditional values, like we used to see on 'The Andy Griffith Show,'" he explained. "I made the mistake of referring to Sen. Schumer as 'that Jew' and I should not have put it that way as this took away from what I was trying to say."

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

She shd be waterboarded so she could tell the truth. Between Pelosi and the CIA, who do u believe.. Never trust a politician.

Posted by: TT13 | May 14, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I did not have sex withg that woman....
I really was born in the United States....
They never told me waterboarding will be used....

Anybody see a pattern here ??????

Posted by: Moveovernoton | May 14, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

drindl,

pelosi gets caught lying and you are "so utterly sick and disgusted with republican obstruction and idiocy"

she's Speaker of the House - a Democrat.

[or are you really saying she is using the Marion Berry defense: "Beotch set me up" and this, again, is another example of that crafty Texan who outsmarted the highest ranking democrat...and she didnt even realize it for 7 years?]

Posted by: capntrips | May 14, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

SEE??? hahhaha it can only spew the same retorts of those with no facts to present in defense of their opinions on the issues...

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a liar. You know how you can tell if she is lying? When her lips are moving. And they are always moving!!!

Posted by: Grizz | May 14, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Hello Pot calling the kettle black. What a buffoon this woman is. Every time she opens her mouth, a long line of lies comes flying out.

Keep on digging that hole woman! Can't wait to see you out of office and out of the public lime light.

Posted by: BlueEyedLibra | May 14, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi said she didn't know what was going on when she did. That's a lie no matter what.

But how does this work? Is she allowed to come out and reveal stuff she's briefed on? Could she have been a whistle blower if she wanted to or are there legal ramifications for that type of action?

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Jake: drndl cannot write- it has emotions though, and wants to express them. But all it has is the card from the dems- so it copiously types the same letters and spaces on the card. If it could read, it would sound out each letter very carefully and slowly so that what it posted would take two minutes to read aloud.... pitiful hysterical twerplet. But back to the evil witch of the western bay: it should be removed from congress, and stripped of any benefits of having been there, like a pension- then made to walk home....

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Drudge and the Aryan Brotherhood have both linked to the Fix today...

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is representative of what's wrong with Congress. Too many of the senators and representatives are self-serving hypocrites who are only interested in retaining their power and their pensions. Congress has become a country club for elites.

Posted by: judithod | May 14, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Partisan Dems fire shots at Bush and end up bagging Pelosi!! Truth be told she's an accomplice to the very torture policies that they condemn. Hilarious.

Posted by: erastol | May 14, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

drindl:

There have been plenty of WaPo threads about the lies of the Bush adminsitration. This thread, however, is about Pelosi's lies. Keep trying to "distract" from that though.

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse


"God I wish we still had a free AMERICAN press that would hound the traitor pig until she commits suicide... or at least, leaves public life!! But a televised dive of the golden gate would be so righteously entertaining!!"

TODAY'S GOP. A HATEFUL TWISTED LYNCH MOB

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm so tried of the democrats lying and cheating and then whine when Republicans turn the table on them and they get caught with there pants down. Diapers should be sent to our elected Democratic officials cause they surely act like babies....

Posted by: anconsulting | May 14, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi: Spin hard or die.

Post: Do you think THIS should have been the headline: "acknowledging for the first time publicly she knew alleged terrorist detainees were subjected to waterboarding more than six years ago"?!

===============================

If the Liberal Fascists at the POST had done their job for We The People, instead of the bidding of their Party, the Democrats we would have known that Nancy has been lying to We The People for YEARS.

Of COURSE Nancy knew.......she's a flaming liberal elite rich lying snob, what's new?

Posted by: allenridge | May 14, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm telling everyone I know to visit Toys R Us, buy a little kiddie shovel and send it to "Pinnochio" Pelosi with a suggestion she keep digging. Pelosi is lying through her toofies and the entire world knows it. How long is her nose today? ?

Posted by: billbrady1 | May 14, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Is it any wonder people rate Congress at the bottom end of the credibility and respect polls? Nancy Pelosi has been caught in a lie. Just one more lying politician.

Posted by: cityslicker1 | May 14, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

This is not about Nancy Pelosi. that's just a distraction. Irt's about the lies of the bush adminsitration:

PELOSI: The CIA briefed me only once on enhanced interrogation techniques in September 2002, in my capacity as ranking member of the intelligence committee. I was informed then that the Department of Justice opinions had concluded that the use of Enhanced Interrogation Techniques were legal. The only mention of waterboarding at that briefing was that it was not being employed. [...]

We also now know that techniques including waterboarding had already been employed and that those briefing me had given me inaccurate and incomplete information. At the same time the Bush administration…was misleading the American people about the threat of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Indeed, we now know that the CIA had waterboarded Abu Zubaydah 83 times in August, 2002, after receiving approval from Condoleezza Rice in July.

Pelosi also accused the CIA and the Bush administration of repeatedly misleading Congress and the American people, and repeated her call for a truth commission to examine the issue:

PELOSI: So on the subject of what’s happening in Iraq, when it’s talking about the techniques used by the intelligence community on those they’re interrogating, at every step of the way, the administration was misleading the Congress. And that is the issue. And that is why we need a truth commission to look into the issue.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

God I wish we still had a free AMERICAN press that would hound the traitor pig until she commits suicide... or at least, leaves public life!! But a televised dive of the golden gate would be so righteously entertaining!!

Posted by: starvingactor | May 14, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is calling the CIA a bunch of liers?
Give me a break.

Congress knew full well what the White house was doing but now want to use it to their political advantage.

Either she is a lieing or she is incompatant for letting the waterboarding take place or both.

It's time the Dems put someone else at the wheel, she is a distraction. Put someone in as speaker that is new without a checkerd past.

Posted by: RongCapsFan | May 14, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi: Spin hard or die.

Post: Do you think THIS should have been the headline: "acknowledging for the first time publicly she knew alleged terrorist detainees were subjected to waterboarding more than six years ago"?!

Posted by: RealityCheckerInEffect | May 14, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

MADAM SPEAKER, CONGRESS: Torture is NOT Just a Foreign Affair

• Attention must be paid to the victims of government-enabled DOMESTIC torture


The Nancy Pelosi of 2003 was intimidated by the military and the intel agencies and their demands for secrecy. She and the nation have now learned that rogue officials and operatives pursuing a criminal policy were hiding behind secrecy.

So let's go easy on her, because her heart and her mind are now in the right place.

The greater challenge is to get the Speaker, Team Obama and Congress to realize that the "torture matrix" is NOT just a foreign affair.

Many "innocent but targeted" U.S. citizens continue to have their rights -- and their persons -- violated by the ongoing "extrajudicial punishment network" that Team Obama and the Democratic majority in Congress have NAIVELY allowed to continue.

When will government-enabled torture and vigilantism come to an end right here in America?


http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR (if link is tortured):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | May 14, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

drindl:

You are aware that THIS thread is about Nancy Pelosi lying and now claiming that the CIA lied to her? She is a DEMOCRAT, not a Republican.

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I am so utterly sick and disgusted with republican obstruction and idiocy.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

(You added some from the first time you put this up):

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's (Calif.) assertion at a press conference this morning that the Bush administration and the Central Intelligence Agency misled her and the Congress regarding the treatment of suspected terrorists adds further fuel to the fire on an issue that has been on a low boil for weeks.

Asked whether she was accusing the CIA of lying to her during a 2002 briefing on the use of so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques," Pelosi said: "Yes, misleading the Congress of the United States, misleading the Congress of the United States. I am."

She went on to call on the CIA to release the details of briefings they provided to Congress and for the creation of a truth commission to "determine how intelligence was misused and how controversial and possibly illegal activities like torture were authorized within the executive branch."

Pelosi's press conference comes amid a series of allegations from Republicans -- inside and outside of Congress -- that she knew far more about the treatment of detainees in the early part of the decade than she initially let on.

"The Speaker has had way too many stories on this issue," said House Minority Leader John Boehner (Ohio) at a press conference moments ago. He added that he has "not one doubt" that interrogations of detainees were conducted "within the law" and that he was opposed to the idea of a truth commission.

As the Post's Paul Kane notes, Pelosi acknowledged publicly for the first time today that she was aware that detainees were being waterboarded as long ago as 2003 when a member of her staff was part of a briefing in February of that year in which it was revealed that waterboarding was ongoing.

Pelosi's press conference has both short term and long term political impact.

In the short term, it snuffs out President Obama's preferred message of the day -- pushed at a scheduled town hall today in New Mexico -- regarding credit card reform. Obama and/or White House press secretary Robert Gibbs are certain to face questions about Pelosi's remarks whenever reporters are given access to them today.

The long-term political prognosis is less clear. The Obama administration has made no secret of the fact that they would prefer not to spend time looking back at what happened under President George W. Bush since it distracts from what they believe to be the important tasks at hand -- most notably turning around the economy.

But, when the Speaker of the House accuses a past president and the nation's intelligence gathering operation of misleading her, it's hard to see how this issue can be dismissed as nothing more than rear-view mirror gazing by Obama and his inner circle

The ball is now firmly in the court of the White House. How will they react to Pelosi? And will that reaction satisfy those who believe it is essential to the American way of life that answers are found regarding the treatment of prisoners?

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

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