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Did the establishment win or lose in IN, NC and OH?

Primaries in North Carolina, Ohio and Indiana produced a mixed result.

On the one hand, establishment candidates like former Sen. Dan Coats (R-Ind.) and Lt. Gov. Lee Fisher (D-Ohio) -- not to mention endangered incumbents like Reps. Dan Burton (R-Ind.) and Mark Souder (R-Ind.) -- managed to emerge from their respective primaries.

On the other, Coats couldn't break 40 percent against two little known candidates divvying up the conservative vote, Fisher beat a candidate with almost no money by just 10 points and Burton won the GOP nod with just 29.7 percent of the vote.

In our "Morning Fix" post we wrote: "The establishment wing of both national parties scored wins in Tuesday's Senate primaries in Ohio and Indiana -- and, to a lesser extent, North Carolina."

Politico's James Hohmann headlined his primary night story: "Primaries bruise establishment picks".

Who's right? Vote now.

By Chris Cillizza  |  May 5, 2010; 4:30 PM ET
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The primaries reminded me a bit of 1990-era East European elections. Too often, the newly formed Democratic parties could not agree on broad platforms and quibbled over minor details. As a result, too many democratic candidates ran and split the reform vote, enabling old-style Communists to maintain or recover power with pluralities that fell far short of majorities. If teapartiers had agreed on ONE challenger to Dan Burton, or even Dan Coats, they would be celebrating today. Instead, they quibbled and lost. LEARN the lesson, folks.

Posted by: wmcmyers | May 6, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

That teabagger spokesman sounds a hell of a lot like the trolls here... same shabby intellect, same head full of
lies and nonsense, same millimeter short temper.

Birds of a feather.

There's a guy who couldn't get elected to a small municipal office if he was ever interviewed, and he's a leader of a political movement?

Posted by: Noacoler | May 6, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

It seems it was Democrats who lost if you
decide by turnouts.

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/05/dem_turnout_fal.php

Dem Turnout Falls Off A Cliff
May 5, 2010 10:18 AM

By Reid Wilson

Turnout among Dem voters dropped precipitously in 3 statewide primaries on Tuesday, giving the party more evidence that their voters lack enthusiasm ahead of midterm elections.

In primaries in NC, IN and OH, Dems turned out at far lower rates than they have in previous comparable elections.

Just 663K OH voters cast ballots in the competitive primary between LG Lee Fisher (D) and Sec/State Jennifer Brunner (D). That number is lower than the 872K voters who turned out in '06, when neither Gov. Ted Strickland (D) nor Sen. Sherrod Brown (D) faced serious primary opponents.

Only 425K voters turned out to pick a nominee against Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC). The 14.4% turnout was smaller than the 444K voters -- or 18% of all registered Dem voters -- who turned out in '04, when Gov. Mike Easley (D) faced only a gadfly candidate in his bid to be renominated for a second term.

And in IN, just 204K Hoosiers voted for Dem House candidates, far fewer than the 357K who turned out in '02 and the 304K who turned out in '06.

By contrast, GOP turnout was up almost across the board. 373K people voted in Burr's uncompetitive primary, nearly 9% higher than the 343K who voted in the equally non-competitive primary in '04. Turnout in House races in IN rose 14.6% from '06, fueled by the competitive Senate primary, which attracted 550K voters. And 728K voters cast ballots for a GOP Sec/State nominee in Ohio, the highest-ranking statewide election with a primary; in '06, just 444K voters cast ballots in that race.

Top Dem strategists have promised to spend millions to get their voters to cast ballots, and polls show they will need to succeed in order to avoid an electoral beating. The latest weekly Gallup tracking survey shows 43% of GOPers are "very enthusiastic" about voting, while just 33% of Dems feel the same way.

Posted by: BluePelican | May 6, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"I read the Teabagger chat, kate. It was great. The guy is clearly an idiot. Posted by: DDAWD"

He IS clearly totally unassociated with any concept of truth.

Then again, he has no concept of the terms he uses. For instance, he doesn't seem to understand the concept of "Entitlements programs", since, on the one hand he wants to eliminate them as waste, but on the other hand wnats them left alone, when he accidentally refers to them by their names, Social Security, medicaire, Medicaid, (and what he left out, Veterans Benefits, Federal retirements Programs, VA benefits).

Entitlements, where they are properly named, are programs where people earned the entitlement they receive, by paying for it ahead of time, or by working for it, usually at well below the proper market value of their services.

You get Social Security because you paid for it. You get Social security Disability Payments because you were paying Social Security and became disabled. You get the entitlements because you earned them. He is one of those good Republicans who perceive SS as "Welfare", something that lazy people demand because they just don't want to work. Corner him on that some time, and watch him squirm, but he won't reject that opinion, because he holds it quite firmly.

He even quotes Laffer as an authority on anything, in spite of the quite pragmatic demonstration of the utter failure of Laffer's Economics.

He doesn't have a good connection with objective reality, and because of that can proclaim any level of fantasy as fact where it suits his purpose. You can't debate him because he is under no obligation to even deign to listen to your question.

Posted by: ceflynline | May 6, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"Poor lonely Ped.
Posted by: Moonbat | May 6, 2010 7:20 AM | "

for god's sake, you sure are. and this early in the morning, too. what a sad case.

Posted by: drindl | May 6, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Poor lonely Ped.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 6, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Poor lonely Ped.

Posted by: Moonbat | May 6, 2010 7:19 AM | Report abuse

It seems amazing that one person could be SO full of crap. The more I read, the stupider it gets.

"Reagan defeated Communism."

cornered with facts, he reverts to snark.

He isn't crazy, DDAWD, he's too stupid to be crazy.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 6, 2010 2:40 AM | Report abuse

Funny thing is that there are more reasonable teabaggers out there. There was one on Jon Stewart a few weeks ago. This guy is clearly a plant to make the teabaggers look crazy.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 6, 2010 2:01 AM | Report abuse

He's an idiot studying to be a moron but nit studying very hard. What a stupid bunch of answers. "if you think the TPs are old then you haven't been to many rallies.". Two digit IQ. About as bright as 37th.

That one about the Bush tax cuts. Jesus what an idiot.

My world remains coherent. Teabaggers are racist swine, and stupid as rocks.

Posted by: Noacoler | May 6, 2010 1:25 AM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2010/05/05/DI2010050502168.html

I read the Teabagger chat, kate. It was great. The guy is clearly an idiot.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 6, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade


I don't sleep, I stay up all night writing this stuff -


We need to heal the country - We need to go POST-OBAMA


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 6, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Go to bed, 37th.

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 6, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

BabyNemo


You have to identify your hate - you really do


And you have to let it go...

Obama started all this hating - it comes from Michele actually but he has bought into it to make her happy.

You should read Obama's Philadelphia speech - far from the Gettysburg address - it is filled with reference to Black Liberation Theology.

Obama claims to be POST-RACIAL - however he has embraced the most RACIAL POLICIES in decades.

These FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM - that is nothing but RACIAL POLITICS - ATTACK POLITICS - precisely what Obama promised to put aside - precisely the opposite of being Post Racial.


These guys here don't get it - that they have BOUGHT INTO THE HATE -


Obama is telling them to hate the Tea Party - so they hate


They make up slurs - Sexual slurs - and they let it rip. Does this sound familiar ????


The point again - is that NONE OF THIS IS POST-RACIAL.

The only way for the country to heal now is for Obama to resign - and characters like broadwayjoe to go back under the rocks they came from


We need to heal the country - IT IS TIME FOR THE COUNTRY TO GO POST-OBAMA.

Obama has been too divisive for this country - and he has not done what he said.


IT IS TIME FOR THE COUNTRY TO HEAL AND GO POST-OBAMA.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 6, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

TheBabeNemo


Apparently some profiling is OK with you - but others are not allowed to do it.

In fact, the interview - you don't know what he looked like - you were just pulling that out of the air as a random Tea Party profile.

Just like an ethnic caricature - one that you would probably HATE ALL OVER.

But apparently it is OK for you to do it


RACIST, SEXIST, ELITIST


It is really pathetic if you ask me.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 6, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Great statement! I'm a Jazz fan, but would like to see a beat down of the Spurs.

I don't know if you can pluralize sun in Spanish. I think it's just El Sol or Las Estrellas. Es possible que pueda equivicado.

ÑÑ

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 5, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

thanks 37

I am real good at profiling.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 5, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

off topic

but there's a big march going on in downtown phoenix. Al Sharpton is leading it (he's a good organizer of marches)
No violence.

And the Suns are winning wearing LOS SUNS uniforms..

Gotta love it !!

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 5, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

@katem - You beat me to it. My jaw dropped a few times. The fellow gave new meaning to smug and arrogant. Not to mention he's better at denying reality than an immersion helmet. No wonder that those outside of the Republican party have no interest in joining with the TP'ers.

That much, it has been a significant force in keeping the Republican party well right of center. Can you imagine McCain endorsing the Arizona law if he wasn't facing a challenge from a JD? Not to mention holding American citizens arrested on American soil without rights. Only to be trumped by Holier Than Joe who appears to favor stripping the citizenship of those *suspected* of ties to terrorism.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 5, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Hm 2008, do you think that maybe Dick Cheney had something to do with this exemption since
you are now into the blame game and want to give BP RIG and Halliburton a pass? And exactly who was in charge of the Fed Minerals Mgmt Services in ""2008""? Obama?

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana - A rule change """"two years ago""" by the federal agency that regulates offshore oil rigs allowed BP to avoid filing a plan specifically for handling a major spill from an uncontrolled blowout at its Deepwater Horizon project -- exactly the kind of disaster now unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico.


View full sizeOil rig operators generally are required to submit a detailed "blowout scenario." But the federal Minerals Management Service issued a notice in 2008 that exempted some drilling projects in the Gulf under certain conditions"


"MOUTH OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER (AP) — British Petroleum once downplayed the possibility of a catastrophic accident at an offshore rig that exploded, causing the worst U.S. oil spill in decades along the Gulf Coast and endangering shoreline habitat.

"In its 2009 exploration plan and environmental impact analysis for the well, BP suggested it was unlikely, or virtually impossible, for an accident to occur that would lead to a giant crude oil spill and serious damage to beaches, fish and mammals"

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 5, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

"the guy has blonde hair and is blue eyed with a beer belly"


________________________

Sexist, racist - and elitist all in one phrase.

Congratulations !


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chris - maybe 37 is a clone of jake and we are seeing the dark side !!!!!

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 5, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

TheBabeNemo


Clearly, there was a FEDERAL OIL SPILL RESPONSE PLAN - which Obama was supposed to implement - from day one

And Obama didn't do it.

Obama wasted VALUABLE TIME WHILE FEDERAL RESOURCES SAT IDLE.

Obama just endorsed EXPANDED OFFSHORE DRILLING - HE SHOULD HAVE JUST REVIEWED ALL THE POLICIES.

This is OBAMA'S OIL SPILL.

Pretty simple - Obama is responsible for this OIL SPILL - AND THE SPILL IS MUCH WORSE BECAUSE OBAMA DID NOT ACT FAST ENOUGH.


Obama was too busy trying to smear the Republicans over the Wall St. bill

Which everyone has forgotten about because Obama has been WEAK ON TERROR -

and Obama did not RESPOND FAST ENOUGH.

Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

katem: didn't catch the Q & A but I bet the guy has blonde hair and is blue eyed with a beer belly !!!!!!!!

((((FOCLMAO )))))

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 5, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

actually I have repeatedly blamed The US
Army Corp of Engineers and God for Katrina;check my posts. Bush just looked and sounded dumb when he said heck of a job Brownie and claimed he didn't know the seriousness of Katrina victims who were
at the Superdome that everyone in the country clearly saw on CNN. Maybe he just didn't have cable television. So says a historian and N.O
native Douglas Brinkley who's judgment about Katrina I trust I tad more than your's. My major criticism of Bush was 2 fold 1. Hiring an Arabian horse trainer to run FEMA and saying he was exceptionally qualified for that position and 2. stating that there was not enough money in the 2005 budget to reinforce the levies. Did POTUS Bush cause Katrina as you and Beck insanely claim Obama caused the oil platform to collapse? Absolutely not.


Again your obssesive hatred of Obama should be banned. Its nauseating, boring, and a complete
waste of everyone's time here and intended by you to do nothing more than destroy this blog site.

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 5, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

leichtman: Nashville will never recover for about 10 years. It is terrible. Been watching that story off and on.

It does seem like alot of natural occurrences are going on, doesn't it?

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 5, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

The American People do not want Open Borders - and that is precisely what we have if we do NOT ENFORCE THE LAW.

SO ASK YOURSELF

Do you really want to stop enforcing the immigration laws?

Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

37 - you're full of it.

This is not Obama's oil spill. It's BP by faulty equipment. It's already been proven. But since he is President, of course the "blame game" begins with him.

Speak English, or can you?

The Valdez - whose fault was that one again?

The President's????? Which President was in office for that one????

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 5, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


If you ask the question with words from a focus group, you will get the numbers you want.

If you ask if the people are in favor of AMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS, they will say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Plain and Simple.

Do you want to legalize all the ILLEGAL ALIENS FROM THE MIDDLE EAST TOO???

How about the sleeper cells?


How about the Times Square bomber ???


OH OBAMA ALREADY GAVE HIM CITIZENSHIP.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

OFF TOPIC ALERT sorry-broadwayjoe,babenemo, have you checked out the WaPo Q&A done by a supposed Tea Party leader today? It is unbelievable!!! how could any so-called movement allow someone like him to represent them on such a public forum? He makes Palin seem profound and prolific in comparison. Maybe he's related to Michelle Bachman... I don't know, but it really is worth a look...WOW, just WOW.

Posted by: katem1 | May 5, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Seems like the key number regarding the
Az legislation is how independents and
unaffilated voters view it as we already know what the TeaParty and radical right think,
their opinions are already settled and its the independent vote that usually decides elections. I believe that I have read that
something like 61% of those voters describing
themselves as independents oppose it, but that
number is conveniently ignored by the mainstream media.I suggest throwing out the opinions of the left and the right to get an accurate gague of the political implications of the Az legislation.

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 5, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

OMG, it's the Camerlengo again.
Obama killed the Vicard of Christ.

Is that the next claim????

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 5, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1


You blamed Bush for Katrina -


after it was Nagin's failure - and the Democratic Governor was nowhere to be found.

Evacuation was primarily a local and state RESPONSIBILITY, yet you blamed Bush.

THIS IS OBAMA'S OIL SPILL.

THE FEDERAL OIL SPILL PLAN WAS NOT IMPLEMENTED

WHY didn't Obama implement the plan that was in place "from day one" ????

Obama wasted valuable time - off being PARTISAN AGAIN.

This is Obama's Oil Spill - everyone knows it.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

This is Obama's oil spill says 37th and
1. The floods in Tenn;
2. The earthquakes in Haiti;
3. The earthquakes in China;
4. A drunk driver struck and killed a family today;
5. A bridge collapsed in Minn;
6. Lehman Bros collapsed must be Obama's fault;
7.Shuttle exploded must have been Obama's fault;
8. The tsunami in East Timor Obama;
9. The plague-Obama's fault;
10. Kennedy assasination must have involved Obama;
11. The Civil War-WWII-Obama.

I think that just about covers it 37th. Oh, how about the crucifixtion-Obama's fault too?

How about BP-RIG-Halliburton do you think that just 'maybe' they had just a 'little something' to do with it or are you following Limbaugh and Glen Beck's theory that Obama ordered terrorists to blowup the platform so he could then resist expanding Gulf drilling? Sounds like the same whack jobs who claimed that the govt was involved in 911.
Its truly pathetic how you just constantly post absolute garbage.

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 5, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

The democrats are desperate for an issue to get them out of the hole they dug for themselves with health care.

OPEN BORDERS is not going to do it - what are you going to do , legalize all the sleeper cells ???


AMNESTY is a non-starter - it just is not going to happen - so dream on.

Let's just face it - the best case scenario for the democrats is that Obama resigns -

or someone opens up that file in Hawaii.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Why should we pay any attention to 37th rants about immigration. He is in the minority.

According to latest GOP poll, here's how immigration polls:

"Republicans face a similarly tricky task on immigration, which recently reemerged as a lightening rod issue after Arizona passed a strict state law intended to identify and punish illegal immigrants. The poll found that 54 percent of all respondents favored a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants who have no criminal background and meet guidelines including registration, paying a fine and English proficiency. Among Republican respondents, though, 42 percent supported such a path to citizenship."
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You're entitled to your opinion, 37th, but you are in the 42%.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 5, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

BabyNemo


Broadwayjoe and the others on here use that sexual slur daily - almost hourly


the hate speech is unbelievable


Racist smears are also hate speech by the way.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Funny, it was President Clinton that wanted to close all borders in the 90s.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 5, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

TheBabeNemo


That is not so polite


Broadwayjoe has clearly stated his hate speech on this blog - so we all know where he stands.

So - tell us - are you in favor of AMNESTY FOR ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS ???


And would that include all the ILLEGALS FROM THE MIDDLE EAST - INCLUDING SLEEPER CELLS ????

Just asking...............

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse


37:

the word our President used is "misguided".

And SB 1070, as amended last week is just that.

Oh, BTW.....I am posting this at 7:40pm - bum fri*** egypt time.

Just for you.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 5, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

broadway:

(rolling)
at 6:00pm I held the mayo at Subway turkey club sandwich that I got down the street.

that's in response to you 10:29 entry.

37 is nuts. Don't buy in.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 5, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe at 10:23


Clearly LEGAL hispanics are welcome in this country - and there are millions of them.


ILLEGAL aliens should go home immediately - on their own - they are breaking the law by being here.

That goes for everyone - hispanic or not -

We all realize that your objections are a MASK FOR AN OPEN BORDERS POLICY.

NOW IS OBAMA GOING TO SUPPORT AMNESTY TOO ???

OBAMA = AMNESTRY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS


OBAMA = AMNESTRY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS


OBAMA = AMNESTRY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS


OBAMA = AMNESTRY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS


That will be a real winner on election day - and another law which will be REPEALED.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I really think today's liberals are just a re-tread of the 60s liberals - a philosophy which history has already left behind.


I think the 60s generation has their kids off to college - and now they are back in politics.


However they know nothing but the 60s - so all that came back - but it will not last.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse


12 Bar - it was Arizona repulsives because they don't want, never wanted, to move this state into the 21st century, much less the 20th century.

Scotsdale AZ is considered a big tourist draw and all the rich snow birds live there, etc.. Rich people vacationing go to Old Town Scottsdale and pick up Native American turquoise and sand paintings, etc.

But not anymore.
Half the stores are empty, malls are closing, office buildings can't get businesses to occupy offices, and snowbirds either lost their homes to this "power of sale" state or simply sold out.

Arizona is a desert and now it is becoming deserted.

Never, did we have industrial businesses. Everything was LLC or sole propriership. Now they can't make it.

Property value has gone down to what it was in the 60s. You can buy land here really easy now. But to live on that land (peacefully), forget it.

Honeywell, Motorola, AZ Power System (APS) - 3 industries we have and one has to have a Mafia connection or a relative who works there to get a job.

Favoritism - Arizona is a favoritism state. Only if you are blonde and blue eyed.

Racist - Arizona has always been a racist state. Unless you are blonde and blue eyed.

American Militia and Minutemen - big stonghold of them in Arizona because they know they can be here without suspect.

Chris asked if the establishment won? In bum fri** egypt here, yes...it won. Forget about the above states he mentioned.

The establishment is a strange word to use. We used to call it "the system".

What is the establishment????? As it falls apart in Aryanzona.!!!!!!

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 5, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


EXCEPT that the Mexican government has admitted that they treat Guatemalans worse than Arizona treats Mexicans.

It is about time YOU CONCENTRATE ON YOUR RACISM AGAINST WHITES.

Forget about everyone else's racism that you claim you see - GETTING RID OF YOUR OWN RACISM AGAINST WHITES SHOULD BE YOUR FOCUS.


Meanwhile the rest of America should think about what it really means to be POSTRACIAL

because POSTRACIAL MEANS NO FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM,


AND it means getting rid of Affirmative Action


And all racial categories.

It is an idea whose time has come.

History is going to leave your hate behind.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I forgot to tell you your mom included a vegetable (according to Reagan)for you...ketchup. Good eats.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 5, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Por Senor 37:

"Hispanic News believes Arizona has become the new apartheid for America brought about by overt hatred of Hispanics.

The only immediate defense available to Arizona Hispanics of this overt hatred is to put into practice an economic sanction....

The Hispanic News letter to Gov. Brewer, dated April 19, 2010, stated if SB 1070 is approved, Hispanic News would proceed to implement a national boycott of Arizona.""
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Off topic: your mom said your mayo sandwich is ready whenever you want to come up from the basement and get it.
All the best.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 5, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe


I thought you would be too embarassed by the exposure of the reasons for your racism to show your face here again.

You should be ashamed of yourself.


Please dont twist anyone's words around.


We just completed Confederate History Month - so references to the Civil War era are very educational.


Dred Scott Rules !


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe


Shut up - don't twist words around

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1 at 9:22


This is Obama's oil spill - first Obama came out in FAVOR of EXPANDED offshore drilling just a few weeks ago.


Next, Obama did not follow the established plan - for some political agenda - because he knew better.

Obama was too busy SMEARING the Republicans to be concerned about the fish industry.


How smart does Obama appear now???


Obama wasted valuable time responding to the spill - and then the weather changed. Obama's made serious mistakes here. He can mumble "BP" as long as he wants. You are grasping trying to blame it on Cheney - Why don't you mumble "BP" a few more times ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

37, when you recently gave a shout-out to the Supreme Court's Dred Scott decision in 1857 (which held blacks weren't citizens), you "invalidated" yourself as Reverend Wright might say.

To many you are the canary in the coal mine-a good indicator of how the baggers are doing. I noticed you are no longer able to carpet post the same unhinged junk from 8am to 2am the next day as you used to do. The teabaggers are losing steam as well.
________________

As for the baggers' opponents in this space such as superpatriots noa, d, dd, and L1, doin' 'right never gets tired.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 5, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe at 9:16


The American People are onto the democrats and their OPEN BORDERS POLICY.

Everyone knows that the democrats want to pander to the hispanics - and open the border to everyone INCLUDING TERRORISTS.

People like you really do not care about the future of our country - or the SECURITY OF OUR COUNTRY - all you care about is the next election and getting some "demographic"

Even the hispanics are wondering how they are going to pay your high taxes -


And they are sickened as well.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Brigade at 9:06


They are attempting to say that the superfund law has been upheld - and it is an ex poste facto law. I agree with you that it is an issue.

However, perhaps they can also pass a law stating the cap only applies to a certain liability - and other liabilities are outside the cap

Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

interesting legal issue in conflicts law is whether this will be litigated in US or Intl Courts since the oil leak is in intl waters(beyond 12 miles) but the oil spread to the shores of the US. My guess is that the last
place any of these parties would want to see
this case land, is inside a federal court in Louis, Alabama or Fla. There are plenty of really p.o potential jurrors there.

Seriously curious why the GOP is not using their famous phrase tort reform or liability shield, here? Can anyone guess since we heard that phrase used ad nausea by the GOP for months? Apparently they do not understand what a tort really is since Sen. Shelby and the GOP have crafted so much legislation to shield negligent mfrs, gun mfrs etc.

hey mark if you are out there what do you think about that conflicts of law question?
Sounds like a great scenario for a bar exam.
I would urge others to review that Houston Chronicle article suggesting potential Halliburton liability.

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 5, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

It's off topic, but notice that Chris and the rest of the Democrap Socialist Party--controlled Main Stream Media hasn't reported the reason why the BP Oil Spill in the Gulf is as bad as it is, and is now a major disaster.
While Obama and Napolitano couldn't have prevented the rig from blowing up, they could have kept the oil spill in check, burned off about 95% of all the oil as it spilled from the well, and kept it under control with only minor harm to the eco-system and marine life had they followed the 1994 Federal guidelines in their "In--Situ Burn" Response plan. Not only did Obama and Napolitano ignore the problem for 9 days, passing the buck to BP to solve the massive oil seepage into the Gulf while they did nothing, now they're in cover-up mode stumbling and bumbling around like a bunch of little children pointing fingers at everybody exept themselves. This disaster is a lot like the Katrina Hurricane one, exept that the Main Stream Media is covering up for Obama and Napolitano because they're all in the tank together. Instead of crucifying Pres. G.W. Bush and blaming him for taking 4 days to fly over the New Orleans area, and 7 days to respond to help as they did then, the Main Stream Media sees nothing wrong when Obama and Napolitano do nothing to help for 9 days. About the only surprise now is that they haven't blamed Pres. G.W.Bush yet.

Want to read about the 1994 "In-Situ Burn" Response plan that Obama and Napolitano should have followed, but didn't, which caused this massive oil spill to get out of hand, read the Miss. Press--Register's "Despite plan, not a single fire boom on hand on Gulf Coast at time of oil spill", by Ben Raines, may 5, 2010,

or go to

http://blog.al.com/live/2010/05/fire_boom_oil_spill_raines.html

Posted by: armpeg | May 5, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1


I don't hate Obama, I like him.

It's the policies I don't like - and I have been pretty specific about which policies I don't like.

If Obama supported smaller government, lower taxes and stronger National Security, I would like him more.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Why?

That's what Calvera asked Chris in "7."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 5, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Under current law, BP is liable up to $75 million for cleanup of the oil spill."

Posted by: Brigade | May 5, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

***

BP is liable for the costs of the cleanup AND up to $75 million for economic and other damages.

Incidentally, the cementing operation performed by Halliburton is drawing scrutiny at the moment. As one person said, it's hard not to believe it was involved in the blowout.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 5, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

ade, I love ESPN, and the Golf Channel, and the Dems are going to "posterize" the baggers. I, er, guarantee it.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 5, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

But this "Aryanizona" controversy I believe will cause a seismic change in politics that probably won't show up until 2012 or maybe later. The pundits aren't talking about it at the Palm Restaurant, but it takes an entire demographic permanently out of reach of the GOP. An amazing development.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 5, 2010 9:16 PM
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This is a self imposed wound, too. If I were in charge of the GOP, I would have avoided, like the plague, taking a stand on immigration. And yet, it was the AZ Republicans. Why?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 5, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1 wrote,
"Curious if others here have read that assesment?"

I haven't. It just adds another layer of complexity to what will undoubtedly be a trial or trials. Can we count on jury nullification? BP is British, but our jurors would all be American. Yes? No? Maybe?

Posted by: Brigade | May 5, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if this story about potential problems
with the casing cement job is mere BP spin
but if Danenberger's assessment is correct
Halliburton's sloppy cement job may end up
being a very significant link to the cause of the blowout.

Curious if others here have read that assesment?

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 5, 2010 9:22 PM
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shrink2 posted a blog which is full of technical types. There is a LOT of buzz there about a cement problem. http://www.flickr.com/photos/uscgd8/4551846015/in/photostream/

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 5, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

@brigade,

I'm not getting too concerned by the Constitutional angle. The allegations will be negligence, and that lifts the limits of liability, so the AP article says.

The full employment act for lawyers, here we come.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 5, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Tonight's Houston Chronicle quotes an ex Director of Mineral Mgmt Services Bud Danenberger as potentially putting the blame of the blowout on Halliburton. He points to
a major blowout last Aug in the Teamor Sea and
18 other incidences where wells were improperly capped by Halliburton. 1/2 hour before the blowout they report a "seal assembly" an impt plug had been set.
Halliburton claims they tested the effectiveness of their plug and their cement job but now refuse to release that test.
Danenberger also states "they shouldn't have
begun the riser operation until they were sure
plug had been set.

Not sure if this story about potential problems
with the casing cement job is mere BP spin
but if Danenberger's assessment is correct
Halliburton's sloppy cement job may end up
being a very significant link to the cause of the blowout.

Curious if others here have read that assesment?

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 5, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

BroadwayJoe,
You've already said you watch ESPN. In November, the Repubs are going to give the Dems what Mayweather gave Mosley the other night---a lot of lefts and a lot of rights and a good ole fashioned plow cleaning.

Posted by: Brigade | May 5, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Yes it is slipping away. The Fix GOP comeback false narrative. Pawlenty as competitive anywhere outside his driveway. Talk about the baggers as anything other than sociopathic lunatics. Even 37 has lost steam--these days he only posts 10 times a day rather than 67. JakeD/JakeD2 is just a bad memory.

But this "Aryanizona" controversy I believe will cause a seismic change in politics that probably won't show up until 2012 or maybe later. The pundits aren't talking about it at the Palm Restaurant, but it takes an entire demographic permanently out of reach of the GOP. An amazing development.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 5, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I'll be interested in reading about the law limiting liability and the reasons for its passage. I'm suspicious that this is a case of the oil lobby getting to Congress and persuading them that they are too IMPORTANT to fail. Blah.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 5, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues, prepare to be disturbed. This could get interesting.

A brief quote from a CBS NEWS story entitled "Raising BP's Oil Spill Liability Limit - No Matter What the Constitution Says":

"Even though the Constitution expressly forbids passage of ex post facto laws, some in Congress and at the White House want to retroactively raise the amount for which British Petroleum is liable in the April 20th oil well calamity.


Ex post facto is Latin for "after the fact." And an ex post facto law is one that is enacted or changed to apply retroactively to a crime or other action.


Under current law, BP is liable up to $75 million for cleanup of the oil spill."

Posted by: Brigade | May 5, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Brigade is right--

It is possible that BP's liability is limited.

"WASHINGTON — A federal law may limit how much BP has to pay for damages such as lost wages and economic suffering in the Gulf Coast oil spill, despite President Barack Obama's assurances that taxpayers will not be on the hook.

A law passed in response to the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska makes BP responsible for cleanup costs. But the law sets a $75 million limit on other kinds of damages."
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But, for negligence, limits are removed. What this means is decades of lawsuits.

I've been wondering why BP's stock is only down 20%. Now we know.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 5, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

BroadwayJoe wrote,
"Wrong, Brig-ade. Obey said he wanted to outlive Bush in government. And he did."

He's been there since 1969; he outlived almost everyone. C'mon Joe, I know you don't want to admit it, but you can feel it slipping away.

Posted by: Brigade | May 5, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

We know what 538 is known for--it is a more evidence-based political site. The Fix is more, what shall we call it, more theme-oriented site. Not that we don't all LOVE it (right, everyone).

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 5, 2010 8:29 PM
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Er..., yeah, sure, 12.

I'm eager to read Fix's next installment about "Dan Coats, the anti-Obama." Or four straight pieces on Charlie Crist. As Fix might say, who wouldn't want that?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 5, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

@brigade,

I sure as hell hope that there isn't some kind of deal limiting BP's liability. I'll be watching for that story and will post the link if I find it. Disturbing possibility.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 5, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues wrote,
"Do you have a link?

This sound like some kind of insurance limit. How could BP be less liable than their entire net worth. And it may take their entire net worth."

No link. Just talking heads on MSNBC. It might involve some prior deal with the US government.

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BabeNemo wrote,
"BP has come out (2 days ago) and said they will pay for all clean-up AND property damage."

Well, I guess we'll just take them at their word. Right?

Posted by: Brigade | May 5, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

BP has come out (2 days ago) and said they will pay for all clean-up AND property damage.

Not sure if they are paying for the mammals and animals affected.

Or all the businesses that won't have businesses.

Seafood is going to go up in price like a big dog.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 5, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Also, I'm hearing that there is a 75 million dollar limit to BP's liability for the disaster in the Gulf. Can this be true? Attention taxpayers: grab your ankles once again.

Posted by: Brigade | May 5, 2010
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Do you have a link?

This sound like some kind of insurance limit. How could BP be less liable than their entire net worth. And it may take their entire net worth.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 5, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Wrong, Brig-ade. Obey said he wanted to outlive Bush in government. And he did.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 5, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

12, you sayin' Nate Silver is contradictin' Fix? What gives?
---------------------------------
In the interest of full disclosure, the article was written by Tom Shaller not Nate. But, Nate reads and approves it all.

We know what 538 is known for--it is a more evidence-based political site. The Fix is more, what shall we call it, more theme-oriented site. Not that we don't all LOVE it (right, everyone).

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 5, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

cosign, cef.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 5, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

The scuttlebutt is that Dave Obey announced his retirement because House Dems figure they'll probably lose the House in November, and he didn't want to hang around without his committee chairmanship.

Also, I'm hearing that there is a 75 million dollar limit to BP's liability for the disaster in the Gulf. Can this be true? Attention taxpayers: grab your ankles once again.

Posted by: Brigade | May 5, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

More from 538.com

"This was supposed to be the year of Nationalized Scott Brown Phenomenon, of sound and fury signifying something. If in fact it turns out that tea party activism is more bark than bite--as I wondered aloud in a post last night--then expected Republican gains this November may not be as great as some are projecting."


Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 5, 2010 7:56 PM
________

12, you sayin' Nate Silver is contradictin' Fix? What gives?

Doesn't Nate know that in 2010 the GOP will control the House and Senate and the Tea Bagger agenda will be implemented, see, e.g., bagger support for Jim Crow literacy tests and racial profiling of Hispanics and Muslims--and that Pawlenty will wipe out BHO in 2012. And the White House will be relocated to Aryanizona. :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 5, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I will play contrarian. Two TEA people split the majority in IN. The winner had only @ 40% of the vote. If the TEA people had united, the establishment guy would have lost.

Of course, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride. However, if I were a R strategist I would worry about the fire next time.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | May 5, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

What we are beginning to see is:

1. The Tea Party's cherished views are far from the mainstream, and far from what will attract new Republican voters. The issues identifed by the GOP where they have a "messaging problem" is repeal-and-replace HCR, immigration and climate change.

2. The Tea Party-influenced voters are not nearly as enthusiastic as we've been told. Turnout was light.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 5, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

and Congressman Bilbray from San Diego stated
that he knows precisely what kind of clothes and shoes an illegal alien wears. Amazing that he would stereotype Hispanics like that, and no wonder they will be rejecting R candidates
like Bilbray..

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 5, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

and Congressman Bilbray from San Diego stated
that he knows precisely what clothes and shoes
and illegal alien wears. If that is not profiling then what is? Not even the Phoenix
police department want to enforce this law
b/c they know that it will be struck down
by the State and Federal Cts as an intrusion of federal authority under the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution. The local police are also saying that its a dumb policy that will put them in legal jepordy whether or not they arrest and create unneccessary additional financial burdens to their already stretched depts. Independents and libertarians across the country are rejecting this bill.

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 5, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

More from 538.com

"This was supposed to be the year of Nationalized Scott Brown Phenomenon, of sound and fury signifying something. If in fact it turns out that tea party activism is more bark than bite--as I wondered aloud in a post last night--then expected Republican gains this November may not be as great as some are projecting."

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 5, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

None of them won.
That's what democracy is. Free and equal representation of people.

The free and equal right of every person to participate in a system of government, often practiced by electing representatives of the people by the majority of the people.

Equality won. So did the democratic system of government.

A system of government based on the principle of majority decision-making.

Or, teabaggers could have stuffed the ballot boxes. Always a repulsive move.
Manipulation of the vote.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 5, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

"Nobody has been pushing Fix's "GOP comeback" narrative since the recent bagger thug attack on the Hill, the passage of the Arizona racial profiling law that criminalizes "living while brown"--which has spurred a massive boycott of the state--and the failure of various bagger candidates around the country.
The Post today had an article about the baggers' efforts to convince people they aren't bigoted mentals and losers. Good luck with that. Important first step? Leave the n-word sign behind. LOL. Posted by: broadwayjoe"

Speaking of living while brown, how does the Arizona Watch Tower and tract Society's demonstration of backing down in the face of reality, (Read the replacement. Its primary effect now is to protect businesses that hire illegal immgrants. Everything else in the bill is as functional as the Mini sub they dug out of Pearl harbor a couple years ago.) playing in the land where the Whites are desperately trying to get over it and, at the risk of terminal melanoma, make it possible for themselves to live while brown, too.

Posted by: ceflynline | May 5, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

it's not punishment for the "undocumenteds" in bum frick egypt here.
it's off to jail for breaking the law and then deportation.

You make it sound like they are all going to GITMO.

They re-wrote the bill this past week to make sure profiling wasn't being done.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 5, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

what is a disgrace 37th is that you would post
the kind of garbage that you slanderously
stated at 6:49 and again at 6:55 pm. Where in the world do you come up with that kind of stupidity? Even a new low for you. Your Obama hatred at this site is truly sick.

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 5, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

According to 538.com, the light turnout is indicating that the great GOP Enthusiasm Gap is more fiction, than fact.

"But the most telling result of the night may be this, as reported by the Associated Press: "Turnout was exceptionally light in Ohio and North Carolina, a possible indication that the anger fueling voters across the country over economic woes, persistently high unemployment and Congress itself wasn't translating into votes — and, perhaps, the limited influence of the conservatives and libertarians who make up the fledgling tea party coalition.""

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 5, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse


bull 37

get a life.

and BTW, where did you HEAR that "feelers" were goin' out?

This administration doesn't play games like Bush's did. Case in point, USA Patriot Act.


Posted by: TheBabeNemo | May 5, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party got EXACTLY what they wanted - they wanted to pull the Republican Party over toward the right - but not too far, as to make the November elections difficult.
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Yeah, the TP didn't want to win TOO big, because then the November elections wouldn't be INTERESTING enough. Anyone who believe this needs to check in for a brain transplant.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 5, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are totally scrod on HCR, so badly scrod that they ought to go find a nunnery to hide their record in until the progeny of that incestuous relationship is a VERY old man.

You see, aqs each day goes by and the death panels don't actually execute anybody, people who need to decide what to do for health care are looking at what is coming and figuring out how it affects them. Sinc the vast majority are at worst right where they are now, and a big chunk of that majority is now better off and getting better all the time, they just may not buy what Gillespie and Steele and McConnell and Boehner are selling.

I doubt that I would buy a chocolate rabbit off an OompahLoompah, and I damn sure wouldn't buy a description of what health care is from the oompahLoompah from Westchester.

Posted by: ceflynline | May 5, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

12, do these lunatics ever identify which of HCR's many benefits they want to "repeal." Might it help if they read the law first?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 5, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Here are two issues where the Republican base is out of the mainstream, according to GOP polls. On both HCR repeal and immigration, the R base is far away from the nation as a whole, and the independents they need to attract.

The premise that "The Tea Party is realistic -"
is so silly. The TP is the base.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 5, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

The GOP's racist sociopathic tea bagger wing was the loser. Sorry Drudge, Fix, Dale Robertson, Audra Shay, Chip Saltsman, 37, zouk... Sorry, y'all.

This is beginning of the end for the baggers.

Nobody has been pushing Fix's "GOP comeback" narrative since the recent bagger thug attack on the Hill, the passage of the Arizona racial profiling law that criminalizes "living while brown"--which has spurred a massive boycott of the state--and the failure of various bagger candidates around the country.
____________

The Post today had an article about the baggers' efforts to convince people they aren't bigoted mentals and losers. Good luck with that. Important first step? Leave the n-word sign behind. LOL.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 5, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Republicans face a similarly tricky task on immigration, which recently reemerged as a lightening rod issue after Arizona passed a strict state law intended to identify and punish illegal immigrants. The poll found that 54 percent of all respondents favored a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants who have no criminal background and meet guidelines including registration, paying a fine and English proficiency. Among Republican respondents, though, 42 percent supported such a path to citizenship.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36766_Page2.html#ixzz0n6JghRqo


Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 5, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Support for repeal-and-replace HCR among Republicans is 67%. Among independents, it polls at 36%. "Leslie Sanchez, a GOP strategist said "The extreme language of 'repeal and replace' is not widely accepted by independents as a pragmatic solution" (Vogel, 5/4)."
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Those who support repeal-and-replace should realize they are out of the mainstream. And they should realize they will not attract new voters with this message.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | May 5, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party got EXACTLY what they wanted - they wanted to pull the Republican Party over toward the right - but not too far, as to make the November elections difficult.

It is a not-too-hot not-too-cold question.

The Tea Party is realistic -

I love how the democrats are trying to portray this stuff as not a victory -

Yet the democrats would be more than happy to see the Republican party pulled so far to the right that the democrats have openings in the fall.

Actually, the democrats are in big trouble -


And the democrats are super-analyzing the Tea Party - they keep on missing the big picture.


The big picture is the democrats are out-of-touch with America - and they keep wanting to trick Americans into voting for them - and then delivering something far different from what was promised.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama and the democrats were putting out feelers that they would be "happy" if the bomb in Times Square was planted by the Tea Party people - instead of Middle Easterners.

This tells it all about Obama and the democrats.

Is this unbelievable ?? WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE IN THE COUNTRY ????

HOW MUCH MORE UNAMERICAN CAN OBAMA BE ???


OBAMA has become a national disgrace.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | May 5, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that the establishment won so much as the radical right got mostly crushed. It really is the economy of expectations. CC, WAPO, and all the pundits of the right and way to many of the center and left saw this rising tide of tea, and It turned out to be a drizzle in an Arizona Drought by comparison.

The action to watch will be the next couple states with very vocal T activity to see if they continue to post very low values in Republican races that stay near or below historic turnouts for these kinds of Primaries.

If they don't produce lots more voters in one small wing at the polling places, they are Astroturf (R) for sure.

After Ohio, more likely Tartan Turf, that awful stuff from up North. looks like the artificial stuff, feels like the artificial stuff, and burns those unlucky enough to fall on it even worse than Astroturf. (R)

Posted by: ceflynline | May 5, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

In Ohio, Democratic Senate candidate Jennifer Bruner wasn't exactly some sort of Tea Party outsider; she is a statewide office holder, as is Lee Fisher. I preferred Bruner as I thought she was a more appealing candidate for the state. But no problems supporting Fisher in the fall.

Posted by: jimk8mr | May 5, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I presume that Bruener will be a good sport and eventually get behind the election of US Senator Lee Fisher this Nov. as she has childishly threatened to stay on the sidelines.


this story is chilling:
So much for Academic Freedom, something this whacked out Va. R A.G. apparantly has no respect for:

" Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli is demanding that the University of Virginia turn over a broad range of documents from a former professor to determine whether he defrauded taxpayers as he sought grants for global-warming research.
The civil investigative demand asks for all data and materials presented by former professor Michael Mann when he applied for five research grants from the university. It also gives the school until May 27 to produce all correspondence or e-mails between Mann and 39 other scientists since 1999"


looks like Rs in this country have become Big Brother in the most frightening sense and are obsessed with the 1930s concept of demanding those they challenge Turn Over Their Papers.
Sounds Orwellian but not surprising from this same crowd that also refutes Thomas Jefferson and evolution. Curious what would be said here today if this was an action taken by Gov. Kaine instead of the McDonnell administration.
Why are we not hearing R chants of keep the hands of Big Govt. out of our lives.

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 5, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

In politics,
a bruised winner
is good.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 5, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

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