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Redistricting and the 2010 governors landscape

Lost amid the swirl surrounding the Christmas season was the Census Bureau's release of its latest population estimates, data that gives political junkies a very good indication of which states are set to gain seats and those that will lose them in the 2011 redistricting process.

According to Polidata projections (the best in the business), eight states are positioned to gain one or more seats in the re-mapping after the 2010 elections while 10 states are slated to lose a seat or more. (You can see a full breakdown of who is gaining and who is losing after the jump.)

The gainers are, not surprisingly, primarily in the South and Southwest -- the two regions that have been growing fastest for much of the past two decades. Of the eight -- Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Nevada, South Carolina, Texas, Utah and Washington -- Republicans currently control the governorship and both state legislatures in five. Nevada has split control while Arizona and Washington utilize independent commissions to draw their lines that take the legislature and governor out of play.

The losers -- again, not surprisingly -- come from the Northeast and industrial Midwest (aka Rust Belt). Of the 10, five -- Ohio, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota and Pennsylvania -- have split control in the governorships/state legislatures while Democrats control state government in Illinois, Massachusetts and New York. Two states -- Iowa and New Jersey -- use independent redistricting commissions.

Viewed broadly, there are six states holding governors race in 2010 that are absolutely critical to both parties' hopes in redistricting. These states are large in geographic area and population and, depending on the party affiliation of the governor, could see major shifts to one side or the other in the line-drawing process.

For Republicans, their major opportunities lie in Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania -- three large states in the heart of the Rust Belt.

In Michigan, Republicans are heavily favored to win the open seat governor's race and already control the state Senate. The large Democratic majority in the state House, however (66 Democrats, 43 Republicans) virtually assures that the GOP won't have sole control over the line-drawing.

Ohio. Gov. Ted Strickland (D) looks increasingly vulnerable and, if he winds up losing to former Rep. John Kasich (R), Republicans would have an unexpected power base to go with their control of the Buckeye state Senate. Given that the state is losing two seats, the stronger Republican hand could make a huge difference in what House incumbents get the tougher draws.

Ditto for Pennsylvania where Republicans hold a solid majority in the state Senate while Democrats control a far narrower margin in the state House. With Gov. Ed Rendell (D) term-limited out of office and history suggesting a Republican victory is likely for the state's top office, expect a major push in the state House as the national GOP tries to take over full power in advance of the state likely losing a seat in 2011.

Democrats have opportunities of their own in these critical states. In Texas and Florida, a Democratic win in the 2010 governors races would give their party a seat at the table with Republican majorities in the state legislatures.

That seat at the table is of particular import in Texas, which is slated to gain as many as four seats in 2010. A mid-decade re-districting earlier this, um, decade, virtually wiped out white Democratic House members in the state and without some say over the process in 2011, Democrats might not be able to fully capitalize on the vast growth in the Hispanic community. That's why Houston Mayor Bill White's (D) decision to switch from the Senate race into the governors contest was so critical to Democrats nationwide; White's candidacy gives Democrats a real chance -- although he is clearly an underdog -- at controlling the Texas governorship come 2011.

Minnesota is another major Democratic opportunity with Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R) stepping aside and Democrats in strong control of the state Senate (a 25 seat-majority) and the state House (a 40-seat majority). The two parties are headed for very crowded primary races but Democrats have to like their chances given the lean of the state where President Obama won by 10 points in 2008.

The Census numbers remind anyone who might have forgotten that the 2010 governors races are, without question, the central fight in the long-term battle between the two parties for political dominance in the country. With redistricting on the horizon, if one side is able to sweep a majority of the six states we mentioned above, their party could reap the rewards for the next decade or more.

States Gaining Seats
Arizona (+1)*: Gov. Jane Brewer (R) up in 2010; state Senate 18 R, 12 D; state House 35 R, 25 D
Florida (+1): Open seat race in 2010; state Senate 26 R, 14 D; state House 76 R, 44 D
Georgia (+1): Open seat race in 2010; state Senate 34 R, 22 D; state House 105 R, 75 D
Nevada (+1): Gov. Jim Gibbons (R) up in 2010; state Senate 12 D, 9 R; state House 28 D, 14 R
South Carolina (+1): Open seat race in 2010; state Senate 27 R, 19 D; state House 73 R, 51 D
Texas (+4): Gov. Rick Perry (R) up in 2010; state Senate 19 R, 12 D; state House 77 R, 73 D
Utah (+1): Gov. Gary Herbert (R) is up in 2010; state Senate 21 R, 8 D; state House 53 R, 22 D
Washington (+1)*: Gov. Christine Gregoire (D); state Senate 31 D, 18 R; state House 63 D, 35 R

States Losing Seats
Illinois (-1): Gov. Pat Quinn (D) is up in 2010; state Senate 37 D, 22 R; state House 70 D, 48 R
Iowa (-1)*: Gov. Chet Culver (D) is up in 2010; state Senate 32 D, 18 R; state House 56 D, 44 R
Louisiana (-1): Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) is up in 2011; state Senate 22 D, 15 R; state House 52 D, 50 R
Massachusetts (-1): Gov. Deval Patrick (D) is up in 2010; state Senate 35 D, 5 R; state House 143 D, 16 R
Michigan (-1): Open seat in 2010; state Senate 22 R, 16 D; state House 66 D, 43 R
Minnesota (-1): Open seat in 2010; state Senate 46 D, 21 R; state House 87 D, 47 R
New Jersey (-1)*: Gov. Chris Christie (R); state Senate 23 D, 17 R; state House 47 D, 33 R
New York (-1): Gov. David Paterson (D) is up in 2010; state Senate 32 D, 30 R; state House 109 D, 41 R
Ohio (-2): Gov. Ted Strickland (D) is up in 2010; state Senate 21 R, 12 D; state House 53 D, 46 R
Pennsylvania (-1): Open seat in 2010; state Senate 30 R, 20 D; state House 104 D, 99 R

* indicates independent commission draws the congressional lines.

By Chris Cillizza  |  December 28, 2009; 11:02 AM ET
Categories:  Governors , House  
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I don't know if this will get thru or that you'll see it, CC, but thank you. it's been going on for some time.

I think now that you've promised to toss the bullies off the playground, you'll begin to see much better discussions. and I'm quite sure some will find it easier than others to be civil.

you do understand that many of these people are paid to monitor sites and "hijack the threads" with prepared partisan talking points(?) it's easy to understand which those are.

I'm glad you did this. it might make it safe for the children/real political junkies who can't help themselves to find a fun place to play with the other kids.

Posted by: Ichristian | January 2, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

To your apportionment comments, the key 2010 race in Ohio is NOT for Governor, but for Secretary of State.

I'm a Democrat and biased to my party and Governor Strickland.

I think he'll win reelection, narrowly.

Here's why the SecState race is key:

The Apportionment Board is comprised of the Governor, Auditor, Secretary of State, Senate Leader and House Speaker.

Today, three of those offices are Democrats (Gov, SecState, Speaker).

The current SecState, Jennifer Brunner, could win reelection fairly easily even though the Republican candidate is a current state Senator and former House Speaker.

However, because she chose to run in a primary for the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by George Voinovich, the SecState race is now open.

One scenario: Strickland wins re-election, Democrats hold House majority and lose SecState. And Apportionment Board control. (For the third straight time.)

Causing lots of consternation among Democrats here.

Posted by: kurtolandefeld | January 2, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

It looks like the Republicans gain 8-9 Electoral Votes - and the Democrats lose a similar amount.


That is a swing of 16 - 18 Electoral Votes - almost a large state.

Last year's election was a great deal closer than you might imagine - first Obama benefited from these 18 electoral votes, because much of that population had shifted however the electoral votes were divided with the 2000 census.


Also, Obama had a massive money advantage - and able to run a greal deal more 30 second commercials.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | December 30, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

The points here miss the mark


Just because a congressional seat moves to a red state, that doesn't mean an additional Republican district is created.


When the seat moves, the real change is in the electoral college, which is winner-take-all by state.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | December 30, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

@ Top:
I like the Latin.
but I digress, I should have used some of your quotes to explain how I came to the conclusion I based my opinion on and it is only an opinion. As such I shall point out just the one that I paraphrased a term from :
"it’s not hyperbole nor is it hyperpartisanship to note that American calamity is the best thing the GOP could possibly hope for, and hope for it they do."
I have read other posts of a similar nature expressing the same views and some had quite a bit more vitriol (granted they were directed at others who were also a bit, shall we say, DIFFICULT). That being said, having strong opinions and being steadfast in support of those beliefs are what this Country stands for. BUT, and this is a big BUT, there should always be a certain amount of respect for the right to disagree. Saying "Well he was nasty or rude first" is really a grade school playground response. We need to get beyond that kind of behavior.

Posted by: ironwolf1 | December 30, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

@Fe Lupus: I didn't write anything like that, nor would I

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 29, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Top I've read several of your posts & have come to the unfortunate conclusion that you are one those hyperpartisans that you mentioned.
It is not obstructionist to want to review a 2000 page document before voting on it.
Nor is partisanship to deride Janet Napolitano's comment that "the system worked" as being clueless.

Elijah24: You have some valid points but I'm afraid this is what goes for politics in DC nowadays. The Dems did this to Bush for the last 6 years of his presidency (Don't forget that Queen Nancy held court in the House for his last 2 years)
and the Republicans did it to Clinton for the last 3 of his.
It doesn't help either party or the Country at large.
To be perfectly honest, we need to take a page from Tom Clancy's novel "Executive Orders" and cashier all the DC politicians & elect people who actually do know how to do the things we need to do to make the Government function. "Of the people, For the people, By the people."

Posted by: ironwolf1 | December 29, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

The problem with this formulation is that the GOP has no path back to power not based on a loss of confidence in Obama and the Democrats.  They aren’t even making gestures in the direction of good government (they don’t believe in government) and they don’t have any good ideas (they do have some really bad ones).  So expecting them to get constructive about making the country safer is a little naïve .. it’s not hyperbole nor is it hyperpartisanship to note that American calamity is the best thing the GOP could possibly hope for, and hope for it they do.  And where calamity is lacking they seek to make the worst of things, lying right and left, making arch and scary predictions, trying to turn inconsequential things like Obama’s three days before speeching on the Nigerian terrorist into serious lapses of responsibility.
 
Just as the world now has one superpower, America now has one political party, and a vestigial second one whose only role is opposition.

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 29, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Wolf, both sides are questioning what happened, and you're right that they should be. But there is a difference between looking for mistakes for the purpose of correcting them, vs. looking for an administration to point a finger at. Republicans can say all day long that Dems didnt have the pieces in place to protect us from this, and Dems can say that those pieces arent in place because the GOP has fought us at every turn, including the director of the TSA. It's very easy to politicize an event, but that isn't the right thing to do.
The right thing to do is to look objectively at the situation and figure out the flaws in the system, and more importantly the solutions to those problems.

Posted by: elijah24 | December 29, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Following up on my question from this morning's chat. This redistricting post concentrates on shifts from one state to another. Underneath the surface, there are going to be intrastate shifts of population.

For example, Virginia neither gained nor lost a seat, but NoVa has clearly gained relative importance. CC didn't think that NoVa would be gaining a seat, though some seats will be gaining more blue voters. As a second example (didn't get that one in), Texas. On the face of it, Texas gaining 4 seats sounds like a good thing for the Republicans. However, if you look at the Texas House, it's surprisingly even due to increasing urbanization (thank, Mark). So, if those Texas seats form competitive urban/suburban districts, the net change might possibly favorable for the Democrats.

The surface story is a shift from blue states in the north to red states in the south. Beneath the surface is a shift from rural to suburban/urban population. I'd be interested to see more, from CC or anyone else around here.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | December 29, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

What kind of buffoon would be celebrating a near-miss terrorist attack? Republicans, and some free-thinking Democrats, are justly questioning what happened in this case. Something obviously went wrong & if you don't look for the mistakes & learn from them, it will happen again & again. That's not the politics of fear , that's reality.

And "lost decade"? Where have you been? In suspended animation with Walt Disney and Ted Williams head?
Just because you don't like what happened over the last ten years doesn't mean they were "lost". If that was acceptable, then the Flower Children of the sixties could be justifiably be called a lost generation.
"Turn on, Tune in & Drop out"? Not exactly the best method for resolving international disputes, wouldn't you say?

Please use intelligent debate, not insults.
Even my sarcasm is a little close to the edge of inappropriate.

Posted by: ironwolf1 | December 29, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

While Republicans will celebrate the botched terror attack until Fox changes the subject to the next script on Obama hatred, the country has moved on.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/12/29/business/AP-US-Wall-Street.html

See you at the polls. Winning politics, like investing, is all about confidence in the future and America is choosing confidence over fear.

Look for Republicans to turn up the pitc on hoe very, very afraid we should all remain.
Fortunately, America's lost decade is over.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 29, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

An interesting and accurate observation & statement of facts, Optimyst. I heartily concur.

Posted by: ironwolf1 | December 29, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

To draw a perfect analogy, a professional redistricting commission would draw Congressional districts without the objective of creating safe seats for either party as a policy and content monitor at "The Fix" would have the objective of creating civil, on-topic discourse. The absence of either coarsens our politics and marginalizes moderation in thought, expression and ideology. We see the result in the extreme partisanship in the House and we see it here.

Posted by: optimyst | December 29, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Sorry I was so long winded but it was very hard to get off the soap box. LOL

Posted by: ironwolf1 | December 29, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Today is my first post and I must say the amount of off-topic discourse is absurd.
Unfortunately I feel the need to point out the obvious.
The Right-wing posters seem to feel the need to use this blog to pound Obama about his performance as President. If that were the topic of the day, I would say "go for it".
But it isn't. STAY ON TOPIC !!! Otherwise you marginalize your arguments and you give raw meat to the Obama supporters, to whom no error by "The One" is truly his fault.
Some Left-wing posters, I have observed, are so full of such bias and vitriol, that they cannot stay on topic either and debase themselves by slamming any critics of the Administration as racists or worse.
To you I say;
1. STAY ON TOPIC,
and
2. SHAME ON YOU!!!
Now that I have vented my spleen, I will comment on the topic at hand.
This is an interesting starting point and pertinent information regarding the upcoming change of the political landscape.
I'm sure most people have no clue how their representation is allocated and what they can do to ensure that their voice is heard (or for that matter, why it very often isn't). While we are definitely seeing a population shift away from they NE & the industrial heartland, we must be very careful about drawing false conclusions too early from this data.
There is also the problem of false or inaccurate reporting of census data creating mis-representation or mis-allocation of seats. Caution would be the watch word of today.

Posted by: ironwolf1 | December 29, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

37th, I did not read the posts that led to your long response, but if i may respond to some of your comments on Obama supporters: Reagan’s numbers looked much like this at this point in his presidency too. The GOP gave him no "honeymoon period" at all to get anything (including the filling of his cabinet) done. That’s fine. They are not required to, but the level of discourse has been the worst I have ever seen. They sought to demonize anything and everything Obama from the moment they got to know his name. This is true from the legitimate objections to the economic effects of the health-care plan and the Stim; to the idiotic and frankly racist claims that he is not American or that he is a Muslim (as if that makes him a terrorist).
In spite of all of this, he got the largest stimulus package in our history passed. He got the Lilly Ledbetter act passed. He has made significant progress in the closing of Gitmo, and now seems on the verge of getting a bill passed that, for all of its flaws, legislatively declares that health care should be a right of citizenship in the United States.
Presidents don’t get to do one thing at a time. No president has. Reagan had the closest to single-focus of any administration in years, and he focused on 3 things at a time. If not, nothing positive will ever get done, because there is always a new crisis of the day that requires attention. Health care is too important to just drop. And dropping it is exactly what enemies of the idea want because they know that that fumble will sit on the turf for another 20 years if it is dropped. I get that you are opposed to the idea. And while i disagree with you, I understand why economically. What I don’t respect is the attempt to make every little unrelated issue, into an excuse to drop it. If your opposition to an issue, any issue, cannot stand on its merits, it is supposed to lose.

Posted by: elijah24 | December 29, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I admit that I have been confrontational - however I have attempted to stick to the issues.


I have tried to refrain from the name-calling.


I just see a crazy desperation on the part of the Obama supporters - Obama is not doing that well, he is sinking in the polls, the health care bill has major practical financial problems -


AND Obama should have been concentrating on the economy all year.


The Afghanistan review was highly suspect - no one in the country, including his own advisors, could understand what the hold-up was - the decision to go to war in Afghanistan was made 8 years ago with bipartisan support, all of a sudden everything is under review.

What has Obama accomplished all year? If one is going to say "health care" there are serious problems there -


I think that EVERY REASONABLE PERSON IN AMERICA - EVERY BUSINESSMAN, EVERYONE WITH ANY KIND OF EXPERIENCE OR MANAGEMENT SKILLS would say - let's skip the health care bill at this point and just concentrate on the economy.

There are too many variables with the health care bill - too many things could go wrong -


Everyone KNOWS the financial picture of the health care bill is a COMPLETE MESS - we are talking a 2 - 5 TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT - the CBO numbers have been manipulated for no one's good.


IF ROSTENKOWSKI WAS STILL AROUND, HE WOULD NEVER, EVER ALLOW ANYTHING LIKE THIS HEALTH CARE BILL TO GO TO THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. WE REALLY ARE HURTING FOR THE LACK OF MEN LIKE THAT NOW.

The country - and Obama - are better off putting aside this faulty health care bill.


What's the alternative? Riding out all the problems AND trying to fix the finances down down the road?


Does anyone not see DISASTER written all over this health care bill?

AND now we are finding out that Obama may have been shortchanging the security procedures all over the place - mainly to prove Bush wrong about something rather on account of any sound policy analysis.

ONE THING IS CLEAR: WE HAVE TO STOP RELEASING PRISONERS FROM GITMO AND SENDING THEM BACK TO YEMEN.

Does anyone realize how bad this situation is???


This is the kind of sinking in which addicts revert back to their vices.

Obama is sinking - We have the democrats in Congress who gambling to get some electorial advantage in the future - instead of governing for the good of the country.

We don't have statesmen.


We have an extremely inexperienced person leading this country toward disaster.


The only thing this country has is to call this out before it is too late for the country.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | December 29, 2009 1:38 AM | Report abuse

I am not a racist, troll, or blogger. And, I won't be the one silenced either.

Posted by: JakeD | December 29, 2009 1:07 AM | Report abuse

@BWJ; the Gracious Host has made it clear as could be; open racist expression is welcome here, but calling out racism is a ban.

What else could anyone expect from loyal Republican? Anyone uncomfortable with the racists comprising the ideological base left years ago.

I once thought Cillizza was under pressure to do pro-GOP propaganda but there's no way that management has ordered tolerance for racist troll bloggers. It has to be personal.

And that's disgusting.

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 29, 2009 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Be silent you dumb racist aszhole. Go moisten your jiz rag to Palin's book cover some more

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 29, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

"Honestly BWJ I stopped reading the columns about 8 months ago."

vs.

"Seriously, I don't think I've ever seen an even slightly positive mention [re: Obama in said columns I've stopped reading]."

Posted by: JakeD | December 29, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

"The year is about up and I won't be here in 2010, not under any moniker."

So much for "No swan song, I will just stop posting."

Posted by: JakeD | December 29, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

As Chris performs both a necessary and overdue pruning of a blog from which I used to devour every morsel, but now mostly ignore, perhaps the wisdom of Chance the Gardener is appropriate now:

"As long as the roots are not severed, all is well. And all will be well in the garden."

Keep pruning Chris. Here's a quote from me,

"Weeds is weeds."

Until being here is bearable once again, I'll be "Being There."

Posted by: optimyst | December 28, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

drindl:

Once the ped leaves for good, will you finally abide by your pledge to leave as well?

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

And does the Washington Times actually exist now? There may be a reason for this...

Posted by: drindl | December 28, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

What is the Secret Service? (with an office in Hartford) was the Final Jeopardy question.

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Top: I kinda disagree. It came out eventually with Broder and Kurtz big time. But, that aside, if the express policy of a Washington Post-sponsored blog is that you can't call out racist posts, including posts attacking our President, that's a major problem. Unprecedented. This isn't the Washington Times.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | December 28, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Honestly BWJ I stopped reading the columns about 8 months ago. Gibbering with excitement about "TPaw" never resonated and I regard Palin as subhuman.

Coddling racists, banning those of us who don't.

Don't wonder about whatever mystery underlies it, it's just what it appears to be. Like I said, racists or racism-tolerant.

Ditto for lying.

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 28, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Honestly BWJ I stopped reading the columns about 8 months ago. Gibbering with excitement about "TPaw" never resonated and I regard Palin as subhuman.

Coddling racists, banning those of us who don't.

Don't wonder about whatever mystery underlies it, it's just what it appears to be. Like I said, racists or racism-tolerant.

Ditto for lying.

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 28, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

The Coast Guard Academy was a $1,600 clue on tonight's Jeopardy!

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

The odd thing is this space pushes some narratives that even Drudge doesn't waste time fronting.

What got me was the time a month or so ago when this space fronted a cherry-picked anti-BHO poll on the SAME day (as I recall it) that the Washington Post published its own sponsored poll showing BHO approval at 56 or something. How do you ignore your own paper's poll to publicize an outlier? Again, it's about something...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | December 28, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

@bwj; he's just trying to shape perceptions, reflexive for GOP supporters. Remember when we called it lying? I'm revealing my age.

Where it's gotten galling... column after column about 11 retiring Dems, and not one mention EVER about the 12 GOP retirements. Totally dishonest reporting.

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 28, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

@Top: BTW, when was the last time this space posted any positive information about the 44th President of the United States? Seriously, I don't think I've ever seen an even slightly positive mention in the last two years.

As for the endless "Pawlenty in 2012," "GOP Comeback," and "Dems in trouble" references, well, that's another matter... Doesn't make sense right now, but some say that, just as Broder's and Kurtz's agendas were eventually exposed, someone will eventually find out what it's about.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | December 28, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Democratic racism was 150 years ago.

Anyone still in the GOP is either a racist himself or someone so tolerant of it that it isn't a deal-breaker. THIS year. See any elected hoops repudiating the teabaggers?

Nope.

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 28, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

At least I have been posting on topic - and trying to keep everyone else to go back to the substance of the issues.


Sorry, but just because you disagree with someone, it does not make them a racist.


It doesn't work that way - no matter how much you think it does.

The democrats should read the history of their own party on that issue.

Posted by: 37thand0street | December 28, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mike,

Sounds like a great adventure. I've visited Japan a few times for work and hope to return. Hope you can join us on occasion. It hurt to lose that game by 1 second (and 1 point). Born in Kansas, grew up in Nebraska.

Warmest regards,

Paul (known in these parts as the Fairlington Blade)

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | December 28, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I'll go on my own god damn time, crazy-boi. Not yours, and not Cillizza's. Why don't you mosey up to the nurses' station and regale them about "Barry" some more. They're paid to listen, and nobody else ever will.

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 28, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

His entire world and reason for being melting down. Where will she find a friend now?

Enough drama loser. Good riddance. Go already.

Posted by: snowbama | December 28, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

@broadwayjoe: don’t know what to say.  Two facts are clear:

 

(1)     posting racist hate day in day out will not get anyone banned

(2)     calling a poster on racist hate will get one banned

 

All the rest is window-dressing.  Chris can roll his eyes about name-calling but hey, snowbama called me a pedophile every day for months and he’s still here.  I called a racist a racist and I got banned for it, twice.  I can put up with a lot, I never really cared about being called horrible names by a mental patient because, to quote Harry Angel talking to Louis Cyphre, I know who I am. 

 

But it bothers me that *it gets a pass*.

 

And I can’t put up with racism, it sickens me, disgusts me.  It’s easy to shrug off obvious nutjobs like armpeg, harder to shrug off the determined sickness of a JakeD or a king_of_zouk.  I’ve actually lost sleep from the twisted wrongness I’ve read here and don’t intend to lose any more.  I grew up in the South, I was warned by my parents not to make jokes about the Klan since parents of my classmates were probably members.  I saw white-only bathrooms and threatening signs in front of housing developments.  Racism sickens me, and I will not tolerate it, period.

 

The game is rigged.

 

I’ve enjoyed some posts by BB, mark_in_austin (excepting the endless “fiscal responsibility” asides), ceflynline (far and away my favorite poster here), drindle, and a few others.  But they are outshouted by the noisemakers howling from the top branches.  My PgUp key is no longer readable, the text is worn off.

 

As for you, Chris, you did great work during the election, I sent links to your videos to friends all over the world.  But this year you’ve turned in a shameless GOP shill, and that too is sickening.  I could put up with that, but I can’t put up with your embrace of the racists and the hate-bombers.  When JakeD did a post savaging the memory of my recently-deceased father and you just let it stand, that was it for me.  I guess there is nothing that’s over the line for you, so long as it comes from someone with your own filthy Republican allegiances.  

Have fun, guys. 

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 28, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mike -- you're good people.

Glad to hear you are doing well--thanks for the report on Okinawa. We may have ideological differences, but I truly support your service--I'm probably old enough to be your mom, and I understand the sacrifice that military families undergo.

Sushi is not so bad, eh?

Posted by: drindl | December 28, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

And a cheer went up from the crowd.

Only one problem. Liberal promises. You must wait at least 30 days after the check clears before you even think of spending it.

Could you just leave now and spare us this week.

Posted by: snowbama | December 28, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

SeattleTop posted: "So what you’re saying here, MR. CILLIZZA, is that racism is A-OK in your blog, but calling it out isn’t. Pretty clear where your own allegiances lie, and clearer still where your biases go."
________

Top, if that's the case, and it seems like it is, that's disturbing. Even in the post-Graham era, that CAN'T reflect the editorial policy of the Post. Is Milt Coleman down with that? Gene Robinson? Wilbon? Colbert King? As many MSM commentators, including some of the regular Post columnists, have said, "birther" references are a proxy for direct racial attacks against the President of the United States. The same goes for deathers, tenthers, teabaggers, and the rest. And, BTW, the crowd at the Palm may be 100 percent pale but DC, the city the Post serves, is 70 black.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | December 28, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I've given this place a year. Hoping CC would start to read the comments, note the racist swinishness and the sickies and clean up the place, make it safe for people who want to talk politics. Instead he's elected to go the other way, making it a safe place for racist trolls like JakeD and truly warped persons like Zouk. The year is about up and I won't be here in 2010, not under any moniker.

Reading posts by mentally ill people leaves me exhausted and sickened; in my real life I would never associate with such bent, twisted people, and I've endured too much of them here.

So have fun guys, enjoy being on contact with unemployed racists, I'll be surfing somewhere the moderators don't play favorites.

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 28, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

What a warm welcome (for a social/fiscal conservative, of all people!!)

I've been reading the blog on and off. CC, you're like a drug I can't quit.

Okinawa is great; my wife loves it here. Thanksgiving and Christmas were tropical/75 degrees and sunny. Many folks speak english and the Japanese are VERY polite. A few of them want us to leave, but most realize the economic impact of a relocation to Guam. I've learned to eat sushi. It's hard to find Shiner Bock (a Texas beer), but when I do it tastes that much better. There is a vast elderly population here. I sometimes wonder what their secret is for living so long - this prefecture is not particularly wealthy or clean. Anyway, great place, except for the mildly insane neighbors in NK.

Posted by: USMC_Mike | December 28, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

SeattleTop, give Don Diego de la Vega our best. I know he'll return when the people need him.

I don't understand how someone gets banned for calling a poster a r@cist or an idiot after that poster, on a 24/7 basis, carpet-posts racial slurs, extremely personal insults, anti-BHO hate blasts, and pastes in stormfront-style "information" (e.g., birther news) yet the offending poster merrily continues on. Guess it makes sense on the mothership (Drudge) but I don't get it...Or maybe I do.

Shout outs to patriots G&T, D, DD, and Blade.

Ten cuidado, 'mano. Bien venido a "Jake's Place."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | December 28, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

These comments show why it is important for Republicans to continue to lose big. The level of absurdity and detachment from reality should remind voters how whacked the Obama bashers are. They talk as if they were in a coma throughout the 80s and the W. Bush years. Their utterly stupid remarks about the President false assertions that he is Muslim are funny until they confuse their delusions with credible post-terrorism comments.

These are the people who are easily duped by the people who never made a single effort to reform health care, improve our environment, or improve life for anyone outside of the elite. These are the people who cheered when Reagan and W. Bush did extreme acts for the wealthiest that began the process of crumbling the economy. They thrive on propaganda media (e.g. Fox "News") in an effort to fool people. They need to be recognized as representing change for the far worse, and responded to accordingly. Rev. Bookburn - Radio Volta

Posted by: revbookburn | December 28, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Cillizza:

Did you see the posts by "SeattleTop" at 2:43 PM or 4:42 PM?

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Mark's comments are always the best. USMC Mike -- I say the same as BB. Glad to see you're back. What's Okinawa like?

Posted by: drindl | December 28, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I think we all can agree that iofferkicks286msncom has posted well off topic.

I'd agree with CC's words of praise for Mark and am glad to see USMC_Mike well and commenting. We may disagree on politics and the team (go JayHawks!), but I've enjoyed your contributions.

BB

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Posted by: iofferkicks286msncom | December 28, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

 
 
From: Chris Fox
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 3:41 PM
To: chrisfox8@comcast.net
Subject: post
 
Before I registered here I read a few weeks of threads out of the archives.  Yeah I saw people calling other posters racists and idiots.  The “idiot” ones go in both directions.  But the “racist name-calling” was always from the left to the right, and in every single last instance was in response to racist sentiments.  So what you’re saying here, MR. CILLIZZA, is that racism is A-OK in your blog, but calling it out isn’t.  Pretty clear where your own allegiances lie, and clearer still where your biases go.
 
And it’s KINDA FUNNY BUT NOT IN THE HAHA SENSE that you have nothing to say about the more frequent insults .. “moonbat” and “pedophile.” These too are unidirectional, but from the right to the left.  And one can’t help but notice that the ones issuing those name-callings are under no threat, and despite being FAR more disruptive than anyone else, are here day in and day out, all day.  You can dutifully express your pointedly balanced opposition to “extreme left AND extreme right” but your actions speak a lot louder than your words.
 
And along the way to the present I saw posts issued in many threads only seconds apart, I saw the same post about Obama’s birth certificate issues dozens of times in only a few days.  Nothing to say about flooding, either .. as long as it comes from the right wing (it only does).  You have several posters who come here under multiple monikers on the same day (all right-wing), and they too get a pass.  I have to read from the bottom and PageUp to find one post worth reading amidst all the sick right-wing racist spew.
 
You SAY you want a civil blog, but you give the nastiest and sickest trolls a free pass, so long as they’re in your ideological camp. 
 
And look what you’ve got.  I count fewer than a half-dozen doing real posts.  Two of them are under your banning threat. 

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 28, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Barry will track down all responsible

AND

this was an isolated extremist

without his TelePrompTer and full time speech writing staff, he makes no sense.

By the way. Please, pretty please Iran, behave.

This guy is a clown.

Posted by: snowbama | December 28, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday the system worked fine.

Today it was in error.

Barry thinks this is an isolated extremist. He was actually ordered by gitmo alumni.

Does anyone think that making sure this guy has a lawyer is our biggest concern.

Obambi is clueless.

Absolute weakness is on display from America.

Posted by: snowbama | December 28, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

"We will not rest until we find all who were involved and hold them accountable" ... now watch this drive.

pResident Obama 12/28/09

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

"Partisan redistricting is unfair to the voters, no matter which party they belong to."

Well said.

Greetings from Okinawa.

Today I am thankful that I am watching the Texas Aggies play football (albeit at 0800 in the morning).

Posted by: USMC_Mike | December 28, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

But, posts about Obama's speech today are still OK, right?

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Re: Obama being the better man:

PARTIAL LIST OF AMERICANS ATTACKED BY MUSLIMS SINCE JANUARY 20, 2009:

February 9, 2009 (Mosul, Iraq). A suicide attacker detonated his explosives by a police check-point killing four American soldiers, their Iraqi translator and injuring two police officers and one civilian.

April 10, 2009 (Mosul, Iraq). A suicide truck bomb kills 5 US soldiers and two Iraqi policemen. 1 US soldier and 17 Iraqi's were injured in the blast. This is the largest loss of life in a single day for American forces in Iraq for 2009.

June 1, 2009 (Little Rock, Arkansas). Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad opened fire on a U.S. military recruiting office. Private William Long was killed and Private Quinton Ezeagwula was wounded.

November 5, 2009 (Fort Hood, Texas).

December 25, 2009 (outside Detroit, Michigan).

TO BE CONTINUED ...

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Mark in Austin,

Just wanted to send a personal note of thanks for the depth and thoughtfulness of your posts today -- and most days. On topic and informative, a great model for others looking to see how it's done right.

As for the back and forth from the extreme right and left, we are doing everything we can -- literally as speak -- to weed out some of the nasty voices that seek to drown out anything approaching civility.

I have asked that these individuals IP addresses be banned so that they can't return under other names to wreak their thread-hogging havoc.

(You would think that for all the alleged hatred they have for this blog they would want to go elsewhere but apparently not.)

Thanks again to Mark in Austin -- a terrific member of the Fix community.

Best,
Chris

Posted by: Chris_Cillizza | December 28, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather he banned me, to see you and myself banned while obvious mental cases continue to post would be personally validating.

I don't plan to hang around a blog where seriously disturbing ugliness like snowbama posts is acceptable. There are too many moderated blogs that welcome good posts and ban trolls.

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 28, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

This is too good. The states losing seats are generally speaking Dumbocrat states and the states gaining seats are Republican!!! The tide of history is against you Dumbocrat losers!!!

VOTE REPUBLICAN!!!

Posted by: A1965bigdog | December 28, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Seattle, just forget about it. Leave. If Cilizza wants his ' blog' to be posts from one --um, 'individual,' while everyone else is driven away, that's up to him.

Posted by: drindl | December 28, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama has managed to go four months longer than Bush without foreign terrorists getting through American defenses. Whadda you got? A pair of reality TV jerks crashing a party.

Obama is the better man. Swallow it and choke, troll.

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 28, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Mark, I like the "Big Empty."

Do you feel that the influx of population to Texas doesn't necessarily mean new Republicans in congress? I feel that these demographic shifts really did undo much of the redistricting that was supposed to make the Permanent Republican Majority -- which didn't last 8 years. The GOP took a lot of Districts and spread their republican votes around in such a way as to establish as many majorities as they could (similarly dispersing Democratic votes to guarantee as many minorities as possible). In the end, population shifts quickly undid their slim majorities in several districts.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | December 28, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Cilizza. I think that qualifies as a personal attack. Please ban Chrissy fox again. And again. And again. And again

Posted by: snowbama | December 28, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I thought he could stop the oceans from rising. Return the sky to blue. Transform all men into brothers. Print money non stop with no inflation. Spend us into oblivion, but frugally. Surrender to everyone, but aggressivly. Bring change to politics. End bipartisanship. Enact transparency.

You mean He can't?

Posted by: snowbama | December 28, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The sense of deep emotional sickness coming from snowbama posts is palpable. It's not ideology, the guy is bent in half with twisted sick hate.

But he posts as a conservative, so he'll be here tomorrow, bright and early, and all day long.

Nice blog you run here, Mr. Cillizza.

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 28, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Obama has supernatural powers-- he controls not only everything that happens in the US - but all over the world as well. Who knew?

Posted by: drindl | December 28, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

We will not rest........

Now excuse me. I have a tennis match and then golf. Later a nap.

Posted by: snowbama | December 28, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Turns out a Dutch guy protects us better than the Obama government. Wide open borders. Easy access airplanes. Despots getting nukes. White house unguarded.

Were sorry. If we tax ourselves out of existence, will you start loving us? How bout some carbon credits?

An investigation was opened. Feel better? End of story for obambi.

Al q wins. Barry seems weak and confused.

Posted by: snowbama | December 28, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse


"well, i guess amsterdam has the total recall machines and can't use them 'cause its all tied up in privacy rights in court.

What a hoot!"

I'm generously assuming you're trying to make a point with this but to me it's nothing but a snarky remark. Yeah, PC rules the day in Holland. Those Socialist Europeans, right?

I knew a guy who worked at a photoprinting shop. He and his coworkers all had collections of customers' sex photos. Think people running "Total Recall machines" would be more scrupulous?

The privacy concerns are real.

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 28, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Cilizza. Will you scold drivl for posting off topic too. Or does she get the usual pass?

Posted by: snowbama | December 28, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Yes, BB -- it's a bit hard to understand how Napolitano/Obama is responsible for something that happened in Amsterday, isn't it?

Also, did you hear Pete Sessions being investigated by Justice -- may be in big trouble:

"The paper reported that the relationship had first been sparked in 2004, when Sessions faced a tough re-election fight against Democrat Martin Frost. Stanford [charged by the SEC in an $8 billion swindle] played the knight in shining armor, with his firm pouring over $35,000 into Sessions's campaign coffers to help him pull it out.

We also knew that two years later, Stanford had asked Sessions to become a member of the Stanford-backed "Caribbean Caucus" of lawmakers, almost all of whom, including Sessions, took lavish trips to the region funded indirectly by the banker.

But here's what we didn't know until now. The Sessions-Stanford connection wasn't just a one-time fling, that blazed in the heat of the Caribbean sun, then burned out in the cold hard light of the Washington daily grind. Sessions isn't that type.

Last night McClatchy published a heart-rending email, which it reports, without sourcing, was sent by Sessions to Stanford hours after the SEC filed charges against the banker.

In the email, sent on the morning of February 17, Sessions promised to stand by his controversial ally. "I love you and believe in you,'' he wrote. "If you want my ear/voice -- e-mail." He signed the missive, "Pete."

sweet, huh?

Posted by: drindl | December 28, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

JohnDinHouston - do you think of Bill White as a pragmatic, biz friendly type, or do I read him "wrong"?

Posted by: mark_in_austin | December 28, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

BB - it is the effect of influx and urbanization. Dallas and Harris [counties] have joined Travis in D hands.

The Big Empty, 70-90% R, is population stable. The Houston, DFW, Austin, and SA metros continue to boom.
FW is no longer solid R.

The influx has a moderating effect. Thus Austin is not as wide eyed left liberal as it was in my youth. The rock solid R suburbs to the north of Austin, especially Round Rock, are moving more centrist, and even have one D in the lege now. She is popular.
My state rep is a software guru and self-made millionaire who is almost 40 and the best nuts and bolts pragmatist in the lege. He is a more typical Austin D leader today - biz friendly, and fiscally alert.

Bill White, the Houston ex-mayor running for gov., is in this mold, as well.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | December 28, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Jake and his Right Wing Fairy Tales are about 1/3 of the posts today. What's new on the Birther Front, Jake? It's nice of Cillizza to encourage the slower ones.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | December 28, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Whoa, GOP trolls get a pass again while substantive posters are threatened with banning.

Color me shocked.

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 28, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Jaked,

I am willing to overlook off-topic comments about Obama's speech today -- this is, after all, a politics blog -- but Bill Ayers re-postings are a little much.

Let's try to stay somewhere close to the topic at hand.

Chris

Posted by: Chris_Cillizza | December 28, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Jake, and I see that Mr. Ayers is just full of new responsibilities and duties running our new Socialist USA.

I'm sure that he has President Obama's private blackberry address.

Advice, if you care? Worry about something that makes a difference.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | December 28, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

As a follow-up to being "off-topic" here's what actually ran in the New York Times the morning of 9/11/01:

"I don't regret setting bombs," Bill Ayers said. "I feel we didn't do enough." Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/11/books/no-regrets-for-love-explosives-memoir-sorts-war-protester-talks-life-with.html?pagewanted=1

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse


well, i guess amsterdam has the total recall machines and can't use them 'cause its all tied up in privacy rights in court.

What a hoot!

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 28, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Hmm... I missed the part of redistricting where Schipol airport was under the jurisdiction of DHS. For those interested in hashing this out, the 44 blog is addressing the thigh bomber today:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/12/in-wake-of-terrorism-attempt-o.html#more

On the Fix topic, there is an interesting shift away from blue states to red states. No population losses in Republican controlled states and in migration to red states. Taking state legislatures into account and not including Texas, there's an estimated loss of 6 blue seats and a again of 5 red seats. That's a bit of a head wind that might counter the demographic shift.

I was surprised that the Texas House is so balanced. An effect of Latino in-migration? Or has Rick Perry hurt the down ballot? Any thoughts, Mark?

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | December 28, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I am not a racist, nor do I "hate" Obama.

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Last on-topic post by drindl, more than halfway down the page. Triolls have hijacked it yet again to express their sick-azz racist hatred of President Obama, each one mangling his name or title like third-graders. Will they be reprimanded or banned? Not on your life.

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 28, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"We will not rest until we find all who were involved and hold them accountable" ... now watch this drive.

pResident Obama 12/28/09

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Different machines. Those "Total Recall" machines currently cost over $1 million a piece. The GE machines (per the article) are $132,000 each.

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse


think total recall jakey....

xray machines that will show your entire nude body and you have to wear what they are calling a "fig leaf" in your pants to protect you (women too).
High tech stuff. And things strapped to you will be detected. Saw it this morning.

are those the machines he is talking about?

now, i know denver had the machines that can tell substances on you (the person's clothing) and your bags, etc. My bag got pulled for a substance on it.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 28, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Representative John L. Mica, Republican of Florida and chairman of the House aviation subcommittee said at the time, "They're overdue for deployment, and I'm trying to get them deployed at every airport as soon as possible."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/30/nyregion/stop-and-be-sniffed-device-detects-traces-of-explosives-molecule-by-molecule.html?pagewanted=all

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

What are you talking about?! I doubt that an x-ray catches this. How about one of those GE bomb detection units like at the Statue of Liberty?

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

why are they trashing him?

our security systems at airports don't have xray machines for the human body yet. too much money.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 28, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if Chicago gets attacked, they won't vote to re-elected Obama either.

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"red hot poker, Jake, and all the way up."

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | September 10, 2009 5:24 PM

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/morning-fix/morning-fix.html

(compared to 2:43 PM post below)

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

SeattleTop:

You mean "Tough talk" like shoving RED HOT POKERS deep into body cavities?

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

well, you could look at it this way...

increase in troops somewhere.

not to mention Iran's problem.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 28, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, three days later. Time to get the facts straight, what's the hurry? Calm and measured where Bush would have pounded his chest and given some disgraceful adolescent remark.

Obama handled it exactly right. Tough talk is for emotionally stunted Republicans.

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 28, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse


airports only have the no fly list i believe and check it to that.

I guess there are 3. The last one, which this guy was on, is the least data. It's called TCES or something.
I don't know the second one.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 28, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Where's Michael Moore when you need him?!

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Can we please stop talking about what a failure Barry is and get back to comfortable turf for libs? How about how bad bush was?

Or anything not connected to reality. Free health care? Spending our way out? Global warming?

Posted by: snowbama | December 28, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"We will not rest until we find all who were involved and hold them accountable" ... now watch this drive.

pResident Obama 12/28/09

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

the democrats aren't nearly as cocky as they were when hussein obozo was elected, now are they?

DEPRESSION OBAMA.....THE DEMOCRAT COMMUNIST PARTY OWNS IT NOW.....

Posted by: charlietuna666 | December 28, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

drindl:

The blog "topic" the morning of 9/11 was NYC elections ; )

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

come on jakey, you know this puts Al Qaeda right in the forefront again. Claiming responsibility and all makes it worse. We have to talk strong.

Then, we are finding out how messed up Yemen really is.

And did you notice his birth certificate sticking out of his breast pocket with that casual open shirt.
Hey, I'm in Hawaii, let's party!

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 28, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I've answered like 8 questions already. Can I get back to my pineapple now?

Barry

Posted by: snowbama | December 28, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

It is always nice to be with majority. I voted Obama into White House together with majority of Americans. I was negatively evaluating his performance together with American majority, which (the majority) was so sorry that it didn't pick McCain over Obama in November 2008. Now, as Obama surely wants to stay in power, who would indicate majority in incoming election of 2010 and 2012? I think that it would be currently illegal Hispanic and other immigrants, who would become citizens at the right time. Otherwise, those, who payed their last money to Obama's campaign over Internet (it was his major source of money, as we-all remeber), only to be fully tricked by their idol of that time, won't forgive it either Obama or any other politician, associated with democrats and Obama. So, it is time to learn Spanish to be understood in USA. Hurray, democracy!

Posted by: aepelbaum | December 28, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I thought the blog topic was redistricting?

Posted by: drindl | December 28, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

The One has spoken. So it shall be!

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Let's review for liberals:

paid cash
one way ticket
seat 19a
no luggage
Muslim 20 year old male
on a list
visited Yemen recently
tipped off by own father

no reason to treat any differently, right libs?

Can we please fire the incompetents who are determined to get us all killed? Hasn't apologizing, like socialism proven to be an utter failure?

Posted by: snowbama | December 28, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

the plane was descending into detroit's airport. it would have been a drag for detroit on the ground too.

napilotano probably wants to know his boarding habits and what amstererdam has in place. Remember, Holland guy saved us. The gentleman Schurings --tackled the guy. He was from Holland going to Miami.
I saw his interview. He did NOT want to be on CNN, you could tell.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 28, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"We will not rest until we find all who were involved and hold them accountable" ... now watch this drive.

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Exactly dawd and margaret -- that's the basic flaw with this analysis --it simply speaks of raw numbers. it doesn't take into account demographics, and the fact that the composition of the population is rapidly shifting away from what it once was -- primarily white and rural.

Posted by: drindl | December 28, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

arizona is actually selling off its capital buildings to get 64 million out of debt. (2nd debt in 10 years)
all but the copper covered dome, old original capital. That doesn't have a price tag on it yet.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 28, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

When did the USA Department of Homeland Security get jurisdiction over Dutch airports? Does Janet Napolitano moonlight in Amsterdam?

Posted by: Blarg | December 28, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

That's it?! No questions at all? GWB would have been IMPEACHED for this.

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

i'm putting Jake on one the watch lists that are going to be reviewed.
I believe there are actually 3 watchlists and they are never cross referenced.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 28, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

They couldn't fly out TOTUS (Teleprompter of the United States) in Hawaii in three days?!

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Dan Froomkin made the fatal mistake of being right where his employers were wrong so he got "banned.". He's over at Huffington Post now doing a fine , fine job. Cillizza is busy playing Fantasia Mickey hauling water for Republicans and keeping his blog safe for low-IQ trolls who only come here to disrupt.

No chance he'll ever find himself at odds with the neocons who run this once-great paper. Bradlee must be crying.

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 28, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The One speaks.

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"I think the census numbers might actually help the Democrats. Nothing says that population growth in Red states is making them redder. I think a look at the numbers might prove that those states will instead be bluer states."

Very true. The growth of states of Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada were factors that turned them from red states to blue states. I think Arizona would have been in play as well if it wasn't the home state of the Republican candidate. I don't know about Texas within the next few election cycles, but it is becoming bluer for the same reason. I think Utah is one of the exceptions in which population growth will contribute to increasing redness. And a lot of the economically depressed red states such as Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky are losing people.

Posted by: DDAWD | December 28, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Cilizza. Your security on this blog and your warnings and deadlines remind me of security at white house parties. Remind me of tsa efforts at the airport. Remind me of napolitsnos border. Perhaps irans final warning and deadline. The consequences promised to n Korea.

Liberals always make empty promises backed up by some repub either in the military, corporation or tech room.

Posted by: snowbama | December 28, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

MORE THAN THREE DAYS LATER!

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

yeah jakey...
i'm waiting for the President's remarks as we speak

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 28, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!!

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Barry has set a self imposed deadline of next May to react to the terror threat. Stay tuned.

Posted by: snowbama | December 28, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Cilliza -

Your political accuracy is about as right as your newborn son predicting it!

WAPO KEPT YOU AND GOT RID OF FROOKLIM FOR WHAT REASON?????

Posted by: danson1 | December 28, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Cilliza -

Your political accuracy is about as right as your newborn son predicting it!

WAPO KEPT YOU AND GOT RID OF FROOKLIM FOR WHAT REASON?????

Posted by: danson1 | December 28, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

At least GWB "only" took seven minutes reading The Pet Goat ; )

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, margaret, for that analysis. I am not banned, dawd -- nobody is, because all the usual suspects [except me] are posting off-topic same as always. they just use different screen names. I'd also like to point that while I am short-tempered, I am not an 'extremist' -- nor is BB, and I think it is unprofessional for anyone to have labeled us as such, particularly when you see who is still left here.

Posted by: drindl | December 28, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Seattletop, you need a life. You act like you live and die by what anonymous posters say on chat boards. Pathetic. Get some perspective.

Posted by: Buddydog | December 28, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

...."Arizona and Washington utilize independent commissions to draw their lines that take the legislature and governor out of play."

Arizona does more than that!

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 28, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Seattletop, you need a life. You act like you live and die by what anonymous posters say on chat boards. Pathetic. Get some perspective.

Posted by: Buddydog | December 28, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I think the census numbers might actually help the Democrats. Nothing says that population growth in Red states is making them redder. I think a look at the numbers might prove that those states will instead be bluer states.

In this last election, we saw several of the carefully calculated "Permanent Republican Majority" congressional districts elect Democrats. And I could see that wave -- to use a Fix word -- continuing to grow.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | December 28, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey Cillizza let me give you three words of free advice: go fluck yourself. If you include BB and drindl in your idiot threat list then you are way way too detached from your OWN F3UCKING BLOG to be any use.

I come on here and it's page after page after page of the same three idiot trolls posting / pasting the same sh3it over and over and over and over and where are you? Worried about "name calling."

I have no intention of pulling any punches as long as you let mental patients who share your filthy GOP allegiance filth up the comments like kids sh3itting in the shallow pool.

Go ahead and ban me, if I wanted to I could be back in under five minutes with a new IP and email. But I probably won't because of evident favoritism of idiot conservative trolls like JakeD and 37th has left this place unreadable.

RED HOT POKER, GOT IT?

Posted by: SeattleTop | December 28, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

It's appropriate this column is titled "The Fix," given that the "fix" usually applies to contests which have been corrupted by cheating. That pretty much sums up the redistricting process.

Our two parties are woefully inadequate to represent the vast variety of ideas out there. Gerrymandered districts that guarantee incumbency also guarantee laziness and ideological rigidity, neither of which is good for the country.

It would be nice if more people gave a darn about this issue, since it is probably one of the core problems that have led to a dysfunctional congress. Good article, though.

Posted by: Buddydog | December 28, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

On topic: The reason that most states have partisan redistricting is clear--get more seats. The secondary effect is incumbent protection and this is true on both sides. Texas went from heavily gerrymandered one way to the opposite. There's no way that state should have had a 50/50 split of its Representatives.

One of the more interesting decennial issues is the creation of heavily African American districts. Republicans favor it as it packs the Democrats into a small number of districts and gives them more seats outside those districts. Democrats prefer to apportion out their AA population to tilt as many districts as possible.

Computer programs have made gerrymandering worse than ever before. I'd love a compactness rule. Whoever submits the map with the smallest circumference wins. Both the 1994 and 2006 elections are refreshing in that regard. The Republicans had to be certain it was impossible for the Democrats to take back the House, even with a big swing.

@DDAWD - CC's comment was fair. In truth, I was a bit irritated last night at what I considered blog spamming by 37th and pretty much exhibited the same kind of behaviors. Just not as much text. Although I attempted to avoid any personal attacks on 37th, I must own up to some serious needling not to mention completing the thread jack. It's up to CC to decide what type of conversation he wants to have here, not mine. So, I'll take it as a warning to behave and hope that if any individual poster on any side of the spectrum tries to flood the box, they will also face warnings. In a thread with >100 posts, no one should be putting up 30 or more. As I said, it's CC's baseball and bat and the rest of us can decide if we want to play.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | December 28, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

After 3:00 pm ET (more than THREE DAYS later), Obama will address the public on the attempted terrorist attack on Christmas Day. He will describe the immediate steps the government has taken to ensure the safety of the traveling public. He will detail the two reviews that he has ordered on the watch-list and on our detection capabilities because he believes it is critical we learn from this incident and take the necessary measures to prevent future acts of terrorism. He will also reference the fact that we need to keep up the pressure on those who would attack our country.

LOL!!!

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Just clicked by to see how the infighting was going and I find...the Blade on the ban bubble? Things must have gotten out of hand here over the Holidays. Next I imagine bsimon1 will get the axe. All that balanced, rational niceness could be seen as insulting to some. Obviously Zouk is still here and I'll bet anyone can guess who Seattle Top is, since he is almost banned again already.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 28, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

sverigegrabb, a year ago we elected Democrats everywhere by nice margins. This year we seated 59 new congressmen and 36 of them were Democrats – especially noting the “clean sweep” of the 5 special elections held from March to November. Of 16 new Senators seated this year, just 3 are Republicans. I know the Democrats lost 2 governor’s races. I think that had as much to do with the Republicans ability to stampede a lazy press eagerly looking for a new topic as it did with Corzine’s weak leadership and Deeds very poor campaign.
An issue with me is that I feel that we could not have experienced the huge flip in the public’s political alignment that the Fix and other news outlets are promoting. There is the easily panicked % of voters that will storm this way and that making a lot of noise. But I think that the press is again passively accepting a message as true simply because it is shouted at them (or served up to them all easy to put in print). The press listens to its corporate masters and it is always looking for the easy story that will excite the reader into page views. Accent on EASY. They continue to refuse to go into anything complex or challenging because it is unpopular, and so they have dropped the ball on a decade’s worth of big stories and NOW they want us to believe that the Democrats are washed up.
Yeah – the Democrats are losing everywhere. Except that we went 5 for 5 on those Congressional seats, and are raising money just as fast as the Republicans, and the GOP is desperately trying to squelch primary challenges from the extremists in their party so they can possibly have electable candidates in the general elections, and they have put forward less legislation than any minority party ever, while the Democrats have been moving legislation forward trying to fix the many, many things the Republicans broke while they were in charge. I think the Fix is cultivating the out party, just as he cultivated the Democrats in the last cycle. It’s a nice game for a columnist, and I’m sure it is good for his career, but I don’t think it makes what we read here TRUE.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | December 28, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Never fear armpeg. Remember we are dealing with liberal, publicly educated communications majors.

Remember what mark twain said.

Think about the tenents of budhism

meanwhile, why no thread on why napolitano shouldn't be fired immediately. Oh I remember now. Incompetence is the new black.

Is the war on terror back on again?

Posted by: snowbama | December 28, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Chris C, are you banning people by IP addresses? I'm pretty sure Zouk has come back as 37th+O and snobama.

And banning Farlington Blade is ridiculous. He one of the most civil people on here. If you ban him, you may as well shut down the comments section as no one will be able to uphold to these standards.

Posted by: DDAWD | December 28, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

It figures that on a practically all far-left wing liberal blog like Chris's, that one of only a very few non-liberal, non-pro-Democrap Socialist, non-Obama worshipping commenters like ZOUK would be banned. ZOUK's supposed problem was that he dished out the kind of viceous and vile comments that just about every far-left commenter here always dishes out (and I do myself although I haven't been banned YET--surprise, surprise), and almost always gets overlooked.
Lemme see now. With ZOUK now gone, there's what, maybe 2 or 3 non-liberals and a few hundred Socialist lefty Obama-worshippers all dishing it out. Par for the course.

Posted by: armpeg | December 28, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Curious as to the thoughts about the governor's race in Georgia. Former governor Roy Barnes will likely win the primary, and be a strong candidate in the general election for the otherwise moribund Democrat party. The Republicans control both houses and the governor's mansion, but are recovering from a leadership crisis after the house speaker Glenn Richardson attempted suicide, admitted to an affair, and then resigned. A strong, experienced candidate like Barnes may have a foothold in an election that will likely have a brusing Republican primary and a recent perception of leadership crisis.

Posted by: cafeej | December 28, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Gerrymandering is really producing bad government - I am not sure of the solution, but the problem is apparent.

In the gerrymandered districts, the far end of each party tends to control the district - no matter where the actual political center of the population of the district is.


The situation is this: Fully 40% of the US population votes in Congressional districts in which they have virtually no chance of their party winning.


Then, the moderates in each party are in a similar position in all the primaries.


With computer modeling, the problem is even worse.


It is time for a change.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | December 28, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Question: how to kill a blog?

Let a bunch of rabid loons run everyone off. Then when they are all that is left, ban them all.

Name & Percent
37thand0street 25.60%
drindl 18.40%
JakeD 13.60%
FairlingtonBlade 9.60%
snowbama 7.20%
mark_in_austin 4.80%
SeattleTop 4.80%

have fun Jake and mark.

Posted by: snowbama | December 28, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I wanted to go back to the independent commissions idea, it is great, why don't all states do it? Marginal districts have been declining for years (those where the race is closer than 5 percent) and moving redistricting to an independent group or commission that won't favor incumbents is good for a representative government.

Posted by: Benadork | December 28, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

This was a very informative post. Apparently there are 11 states which use independent redistricting commissions. I didn't realize that any state did that; this is very encouraging. Hopefully more states will follow suit. Partisan redistricting is unfair to the voters, no matter which party they belong to.

Posted by: Blarg | December 28, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Why don't all states use an independent commission for re-districting? Unless that makes too much sense.

Posted by: jjj141 | December 28, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Chris, did you just say that Louisiana is in the Rust Belt?

Exactly how many egg nog lattes have you had today?

Posted by: WashingtonDame | December 28, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Cillizza:

Thanks for the new thread : )

Posted by: JakeD | December 28, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

LayneD,

Thanks for the correction! I had it right in the chart but not in the write-up. It's fixed now.

Chris

Posted by: Chris_Cillizza | December 28, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"Of the 10, six -- Ohio, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, New York and Pennsylvania -- have split control in the governorships/state legislatures while Democrats control state government in Illinois and Massachusetts."

Dems currently control state government in New York.

Posted by: LayneD | December 28, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Dirndl, et. al.,

I don't think we should blame Chris/The Fix Blog if we're unhappy with the trends. As the US is currently a two-party system, these shifts are to be expected.

I thought the piece above was a model of evenhandedness. Numbers, as a rule, don't lie (although different polls pose their questions differently, and their methodologies differ as well).

Let's face it, most of the polls would only make the Republicans dance with glee in comparison to their crushing defeats in 2006 and 2008. They're hardly back to their 2000 strength, and one needn't expect many Hispanics to jump of the extremist bandwagon.

Polling is fairly consistent across the board showing that neither party is very popular--and deservedly so.

After the utterly revolting spectacle the Dems. in both houses made of themselves during HCR, aren't most informed observers essentially saying 'a plague on both your houses'?

Posted by: sverigegrabb | December 28, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Another thing to watch out for is California, even if Whitman wins CA Dems are unlikely to go with a incumbent protection map again, not gaining a seat will make a big attack on R districts even more likely.

Current line-up is 31-20, right? What is a more "realistic" expectation of what partisan redistricting would look like, 35-16? If Pelosi does a Tom Delay imitation I think 40-11 is doable, making the rest of the above redistricting/reapportionment arguments window dressing...

Posted by: estuartj | December 28, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

One thing to keep in mind is that a couple losses will take place in fairly or completely 1 sided states, MA has no Rs in the delegation and NY will be hard pressed, regardless of who is Governor, to keep from eliminating 1 D.

Posted by: estuartj | December 28, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

A few notes to regulars in the Fix comments section:

1. ZOUK and GoldandTanzanite have been banned after repeatedly refusing to avoid personal attacks of other commenters.

2. Returning to the comments section after taking the holiday weekend off, I saw a bunch of people (again) violating the simple rule of the Fix: don't attack each other. The following commenters will be banned if there is ANY future ad hominem attacks from them: 37th and O, Fairlington Blade, Snobama, Drindl and Seattle Top.

3. To be clear, I dislike banning commenters but not as much as I dislike a few people who reside on the two ideological extremes hijacking every single comment thread with off-topic conversations that inevitably erode into simple name-calling. Having strongly held beliefs is one thing. Insisting others agree with those beliefs and, if they don't, calling them "racists", "idiots" and the like is another. And, as we head into 2010, I am simply not going to tolerate the name-calling anymore.

4. Hope everyone is enjoying their holiday break. The Fix will return in full force next week.

Chris

Posted by: Chris_Cillizza | December 28, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Oh gee -- another day. Must be time for our regular feature -- Good News for Republicans -- Democrats Bad.

Posted by: drindl | December 28, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

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