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Short Takes: Club poll shows Hoffman ahead in NY-23

A new survey commissioned by the Club for Growth puts Conservative party nominee Doug Hoffman in the lead with just eight days remaining before he special election in New York's 23rd district.

The poll shows Hoffman taking 31 percent to 27 percent for businessman Bill Owens (D) and just 19 percent for state Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava (R).

Jon Lerner, who conducted the poll for the Club, said that the rise in Hoffman's numbers is due to the fact that the district, which takes in much of northernmost reaches of New York, "want to elect an anti-Washington conservative".

That sentiment coupled with Hoffman's ability to stay competitive financially with Owens and Scozzafava (with a major assist from the Club) and high-profile endorsements from the likes of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty among others has turned Hoffman from a fringe third-party candidate into a potential winner. (Make sure to check out the Fix's take on whether Hoffman can win.)

Need more evidence of Hoffman's relevance? The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, after spending several hundred thousand dollars bashing Scozzafava, switched its ad traffic over the weekend to a new commercial hitting Hoffman.

The ad, which was produced by the firm of former DCCC executive director John Lapp, paints Hoffman as a millionaire who is out of touch with the economic hardships of many in the district. "Millionaire Doug Hoffman has a waterfront island home...even a classic car collection," says the ad's narrator. (Hellooooo class warfare!)

A Hoffman victory would send shock waves through establishment Washington.

Conservatives would tout it as evidence that the party wins when it embraces its core principles rather than runs from them. Republicans would tout Hoffman's strength among political independents -- his core of support at the moment -- as a sign that GOP brand has bounced back with unaligned voters in advance of the midterms. And Democrats would almost certainly highlight the internal civil war that this race has spawned within Republican circles to argue that the party is (still) tearing itself apart.

No matter the outcome, the viability of Hoffman's candidacy makes proves -- yet again -- the unpredictability of electoral politics. Man this stuff is fun.

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 26, 2009; 3:00 PM ET
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Comments

Vote for David Harmer in CA-10! Another loss for the Spendocrats in the making.

Posted by: Bubbette1 | October 28, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Hoffman's not being able to answer questions gave Palin something to identify with. Her support is understandable.

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 27, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

"Wasn't it a Democrat who said, "All politics are local."?"

Hoffman sat down with the local paper and couldn't answer a single question about local issues. You need to work on another theory.

Posted by: nodebris | October 27, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I find it funny that there is always this line of thinking that what happens in one district is indicative of what will happen in another, 12 months from now. Regardless of what the outcome is in NY-23, neither party can take anything away from it and expect that it will carry through on a national level next year.

Posted by: zackool | October 27, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't it a Democrat who said, "All politics are local."? It should come as no surprise that a Conservative Republican is winning in Upstate New York, an area that has been consistently Republican since before the Civil War.

Posted by: SUMB44 | October 27, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I hope Hoffman wins too. Anyone as fixated on pelvic issues is guaranteed to waste most of his time in office working against such serious threats as gay adoption and abortion and let issues that actually, you know, *matter* go unaddressed. Seen this movie before.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 27, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I hope Hoffman wins this thing come election day. I am glad to see him leading the field. As far as Republicans arguing whether or not principles or moderation wins elections, I say it depends on the spot. There in NY-23, principles win. In the state of Vermont, California & Illinois: moderation wins out. It depends on the spot, and the GOP cannot primary competitive candidates like Kirk (Ill) to death, let him have the nomination and hope he wins! But in NY-23, I hope Hoffman wins for conservative values.

Posted by: reason5 | October 27, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Chris has his daily fix of funny mental lust.

Posted by: whocares666 | October 27, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

All people have to do in this state is to look at Scozzafava's voting record. She is more liberal than Republican conservative. Check out who she is married to! She is republican in name only.
I wouldn't worry about the Palin endorsement. The term "non sequitur" comes to mind.

Posted by: SeniorVet | October 27, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

HI Chris... Sorry to see so many 'liberal rats' abandon you when the ship springs a leak. It was nutty for Newt to endorse Scozzafava just because she carries the GOP lable but only has a 15% conservative lable... and she's sinking in any poll that's commissioned. -- Problem is the libs just can't abide being wrong, or having someone call their hand. Stick with calling 'em as you see 'em even when I disagree with you. It's foolish to follow the lemmings over the cliff... these dyed- in-the wool lefties seem to wear their sheep skins over their lyin' eyes. -- Cordially, Jack

Posted by: JackButtram1 | October 27, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Chris seems to be reporting the news. I wish an Independent would be winning as I am sick of both parties but let's see where this goes. The guy sounds a bit silly but Demms sit too much on thier butss and republicnas have been highjacked by right wing religious radicals. So Not impressed with either of the two major choke-hold parties.

Posted by: crrobin | October 27, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

thanks Chris for returning to the GOP cheerleading instead of presuming to know why the Prez does something, but couldn't you have come up with something credible instead of this CforG poll, that defies reason and is so biased? You could have at least told us how well or not Palin did in NY in '08, so we could see whether her endorsement is worth the keyboard it was typed on.

Posted by: katem1 | October 27, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Regarding snowbama's flurry of posts yesterday at 5:14pm: Even the rightwing blog links he provides do not say what he claimed earlier. In most cases they are comparing Bush at this point to Obama at this point (9 months), not Obama at this point to Bush's "entire term." Golf would be the exception, and that's a fair point, except that Bush gave up golf after 34 months. (It would have been ok to golf, but he shouldn't have dismissed questions about the war and said "Watch this putt." THAT was the problem.)

Obama has NOT been to more fundraisers in 9 months than Bush's entire presidency or first term, just Bush's first 9 months. And one big difference is that Bush nominated a lot of business types, so there weren't so many special elections. Obama picked people with elective experience, and so he needed to help his party elect their replacements.

Posted by: mikenmidland | October 27, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Uhhhhh, Chris, let's not get carried away here. This was a Club for Growth poll. The Club for Growh is a bitterly partisan organization and is not to be trusted to put out anything unfavorable.

Posted by: jaxas | October 27, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

sverigegrabb, "reporting the news" would include at least a small aside that the poll is of dubious provenance, rather than the total and unabashed acceptance, even exuberance, over the data that The Fix displays here.

Posted by: nodebris | October 27, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

NewsBusters -- WaPo: 'It Is Now a Two-Person Race Between Hoffman and Democrat Bill Owens With Scozzafava Fading Badly'
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2009/10/27/wapo-it-now-two-person-race-between-hoffman-democrat-bill-owens-scozza

Posted by: StewartIII | October 27, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Nate Silver on why the C for G poll is bogus:

"-- The Club for Growth endorsed Hoffman and just last week threw $300,000 into the race on his behalf.
-- The sample size is tiny (300 people).
-- The pollster that Club for Growth is using, Basswood Research -- I'm sure does perfectly good work for its clients -- but is not that well known** and is therefore not taking too much reputational risk with this poll. (** I'm told that Basswood does in fact do a decent amount of work for Republican candidates like Tom Coburn and Mark Sanford.)
-- The number of undecideds in the poll -- 22 percent -- is unusual for a poll just eight days out from an election and is higher than what the public polls show.
-- The poll was conducted entirely over the weekend. Although Sunday is a fairly good polling day, Saturdays are not.
-- The narrative that Club for Growth constructs around the poll is that Hoffman is taking votes from Scozzafava, but the poll also shows the Democrat Owens polling quite a bit lower than he does in the public polls. It seems unlikely that Owens voters are defecting to Hoffman. Rather, if Scozzafava's support is indeed collapsing, I'd expect Owens to be picking up some of that support in addition to Hoffman.
-- The poll was released at a time when the NRCC, which has endorsed Scozzafava, is defending its position by citing the polling evidence, and so the incentive to put out some contrary evidence to alter the inflection of the media narrative is quite high.
-- The poll shows that 59 percent of so-called likely voters have no opinion (or haven't heard of) Owens, 48 percent have no opinion of Scozzafava, and 56 percent have no opinion of Hoffman.
-- Only 14 percent of the likely voters in this poll are age 40 or under, as compared with about 40 percent in the Research 2000 poll.
-- Previous polls put out by Basswood Research and the Club for Growth in this race featured highly leading question wording, although that does not appear to be the case here."

As the commercial used to say, "If you don't know, you'd better ask somebody."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 27, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I do not agree that Chris is biased. He is trying to run a site that receives attention. Chris is a hard worker who lacks incite and he makes up for it by trying to be distinctive.

The Club for Growth is a financially well endowed people who can be relied on to distort the truth. Why would their poll be any different?

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 26, 2009 11:09 PM
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What??!? This poll is bogus on its face, perhaps slightly less biased than something from Drudge or stormfront.

Seriously. Giving any mention in the Washington Post, the nation's political paper of record, to a Club for Growth "poll" is ridiculous.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 27, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

This is an encouraging development. People are beginning to understand that neither of the two biggest parties that take turns exploiting us are not much interested in individual freedom, free markets, capitalism and small government. To our DC overlords a Hoffman win is very disturbing and that has to be a good thing.

Posted by: hit4cycle | October 27, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight.com has some interesting analysis/concerns regarding this poll. Including: The Club for Growth endorsed Hoffman and threw $300,000 into the race on his behalf, the sample of the poll was small with just 300 people surveyed and the number of undecided voters 22% is much higher than other polls. There is a lot more see for yourself. fivethirtyeight.com

Posted by: rgmwdc | October 27, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Cc. As you see from the comments, your base is populated by moronic loons. If you had posted anything positive about libs, all this would have never come up. Jaundiced fools about to be humiliated

How about some predictions about the lame excuses and spin for the landslide next week.

Posted by: snowbama | October 27, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Gator-ron, et. al:

Chris has plenty of insight (or am I being dense--did you actually mean 'incite' as in 'provoke rebellion'???).

This is the latest poll, if in the opinion of many of us a rather spurious one, but don't give Chris grief just because he reports the news. That's what reporters do, you know. They don't edit it to suit their preferences or personal agendas. It's you lot who supply the opinions--and how!

Posted by: sverigegrabb | October 27, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

I do not agree that Chris is biased. He is trying to run a site that receives attention. Chris is a hard worker who lacks incite and he makes up for it by trying to be distinctive.

The Club for Growth is a financially well endowed people who can be relied on to distort the truth. Why would their poll be any different?

Posted by: Gator-ron | October 26, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

The Fix writes
"A new survey commissioned by the Club for Growth puts Conservative party nominee Doug Hoffman in the lead with just eight days remaining before he special election in New York's 23rd district."


You really ought to run this stuff by the WaPo polling folks before posting.


.

Posted by: bsimon1 | October 26, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

The Washington establishment NEEDS some shock waves. Badly.

Posted by: allamer1 | October 26, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Chris, did you look at the poll numbers beyond the headline numbers? They're laughable. What's the point of being an informed commentator if you are going to be so easily taken in?

Posted by: theamazingjex | October 26, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

" "Reid says he will bring a health-care bill with public option" Posted by: DDAWD"

Think about it. Harry needs a bill to take to the conference committee. He could take a phone bill, if he could get the Senate to sign off on it. Pelosi has been talking Public Option all along.

What it may REALLY mean is that Public Option is now a done deal and the fine tuning is WHICH public option.

The real news will be who goes in that committee meeting. Reid, Pelosi, Snowe? and who?

What comes out will be the bill to watch.

Posted by: ceflynline | October 26, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Mayberry. Sorry. :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 26, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Palin 15 points ahead of Obama, new Myaberry RFD poll says.

Media contact: Andy, Barney, Otis, Ernest T. Bass, or Ellie

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 26, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I did a quick internet scan and NO ONE is covering this junk. Not even the mothership (Drudge).

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 26, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, MIA.

This poll question is totally ridiculous.

"IF YOU HAD TO LABEL YOURSELF, WOULD YOU SAY YOU ARE A LIBERAL, A
MODERATE, OR A CONSERVATIVE IN YOUR POLITICAL BELIEFS?
55 18.3 LIBERAL
92 30.7 MODERATE
123 41.0 CONSERAVTIVE
61 20.3 Smwht Conservative
62 20.7 Very Conservative
30 10.0 DK/REFUSED"

I guess I'm conservative since I don't like A1 on my steak. Good grief.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 26, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

You get any more blatantly biased, Fix, and people will start thinking that snowbama is your sock puppet.

Posted by: nodebris | October 26, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

"A new survey commissioned by the Club for Growth . . ."

OK. Maybe you can find a few Heritage Foundation papers on climate change to tell us about, while you're at it.

Posted by: nodebris | October 26, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mark_in_austin | October 26, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Yawn. Daily Kos/Research 2000 shows Owens up by 5 over Scozzafava, 12 over Hoffmann.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/10/21/NY/403

CC, the least you could do is report on the horse race rather than cherry pick polls.

Posted by: mnteng | October 26, 2009 3:53 PM
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Co-sign.

This is from Drudge/Fox News/Fix World, not reality. Any resemblance to journalism is incidental. I am scared to ask about the methodology used for this poll.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 26, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Eric Holder can send in his Black Panthers to ensure that voting goes the way they want it to.

Posted by: joanne600 | October 26, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

What's with giving WashPo space to a Club for Growth "poll"? That's like giving play to one of those bogus Drudge polls that showed Mac would beat BHO by double digits.

In the interest of good journalism, you may want to point out that "Club for Growth" is not like Hair Club or Buyers Club, nor is it to be confused with Gallup or CNN. Internet reports indicate C for G is an extremist right wing organization that seems dedicated to targeting moderate, thoughtful Republican candidates, hence their attacks on GOP moderate Scozzafava.

"Rationalwiki" on Club for Growth:

"The Club for Growth is a conservative political activist group in the United States.

The Club for Growth successfully grows the Democratic Party by clubbing sitting Republican incumbents over the head with primary challenges from the far right. Congressional seats in states as diverse as Maryland and Idaho have swung to Democrat control after Club for Growth-backed candidates won their Republican primaries. Most recently an impending primary challenge from a Club for Growth leader drove center-right Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania to switch to the Democratic Party."
http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Club_for_Growth

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 26, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Oh, dear, the warders have let snowbama out of his padded cell again! Matron, come quickly! And bring the restraints!

Seriously Chris,

While I agree this is tremendous fun--the sort of thing we political junkies live for, I think you should read what our old pal Ned Silver has to say about this poll on 538. Or have you already done so and you're just trying to 'stir the pot'?

I'd be more prepared to believe this questionable poll if there were a whole host of others pointing in the same direction.

Additionally, we've yet to see what effect the ad by Lapp (which, as you know, I've seen) has on Hoffman's numbers--assuming they're as high as the poll says they are. Class warfare indeed!

Posted by: sverigegrabb | October 26, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

"Reid says he will bring a health-care bill with public option"

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/10/sources_reid_to_support_a_publ.html?hpid=topnews

Oh, Harry, we want to luv you, but you make it so damn hard sometimes. Keep up the good work. You and Pelosi can make this happen.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 26, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Golly gee wilickers. If the Club for Growth (i.e., Neocon toothfairies) says it's true, then it absol;utely has to be TRUE. Heck, why even have the election, this Club for Growth is so....godlike.

By the way, the elementary school around the corner also had a poll. The Club for Growth came in last place. The question was: who do you trust the most?

Posted by: ScottChallenger | October 26, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"Why do we always have to vote for a Republican or Democrat, can't we find someone with some intelligence to run for an elected office ? .... "
>>>
Well, we tried that with Bush. The office just destroys a man's intellect. Just look at what it did to him. They say Palin used to be brilliant, but then she got elected Governor. Let's not even discuss what happened to poor Tancredo, tsk, tsk, tsk.

Posted by: stan2 | October 26, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

As usual, Nate Silver has a better take on this CfG poll.

"It's a bit disturbing how credulously the conservative blogs, most of whom are rooting for Hoffman, are taking this poll.
[snip]
those blogs that report on this poll without addressing some of its shortcomings are more interested in advocacy than reporting."

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/10/reality-check-ny-23-poll-may-seek-to.html

Posted by: mnteng | October 26, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"... the rise in Hoffman's numbers is due to the fact that the district, ... "want to elect an anti-Washington conservative"."
****
I get it. But what baffles me, is why an "anti-Washington conservative" would actually want to join Washington. That sounds like Treason, or at the very least, sleeping with the enemy.

Posted by: stan2 | October 26, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Why do we always have to vote for a Republican or Democrat, can't we find someone with some intelligence to run for an elected office ? ....

Posted by: wasaUFO | October 26, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Can't we get ACORN and the sharks in to turn this thing around?

Posted by: leapin | October 26, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Most importnt news of this poll, it that even with a large margin of error, the GOP nominee is in third by herself and seems to have no chance of winning. The NRCC and RNC should be embarassed that they supported such a loser.

Posted by: TooMuchSoccer | October 26, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Most importnt news of this poll, it that even with a lare margin of error, the GOP nominee is in third by herself and seems to have no chance of winning. The NRCC and RNC should be embarassed that they supported such a loser.

Posted by: TooMuchSoccer | October 26, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Just nine months into his presidency, President Obama has appeared at 23 Democratic fundraisers, including the two he attended Tuesday night, compared with George W. Bush, who did six political fundraisers, and Bill Clinton, who did five, during their first year in office.


http://www.foxnews.con
=====================================

I've heard of Coo Coo for Cocoa Puffs, but a foreign owned news service? What would you say if Soros were to buy NBC News and turn repuglican stall two steps and Argentina into entertainment?

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 26, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

his posts are completely without truth or merit. Just making stuff up, like every single point in his last post.

Posted by: mikenmidland


sure thing moonbat.

Posted by: snowbama | October 26, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

So, would President Obama’s budget plan really increase deficit spending much more than other modern presidents? Well, yeah, to the tune of seven times more, measured as a percentage of economic output, than under President Kennedy over 45 years ago — as you can see in this chart.


http://blog.heritage.org/2009/05/12/obama-spending-tax-trends-charted/#

Posted by: snowbama | October 26, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Just nine months into his presidency, President Obama has appeared at 23 Democratic fundraisers, including the two he attended Tuesday night, compared with George W. Bush, who did six political fundraisers, and Bill Clinton, who did five, during their first year in office.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/21/obamas-appearances-fundraisers-outpaces-predecessors/

Posted by: snowbama | October 26, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

It is the first time in six months that House Republican leaders have been invited to the White House to discuss official business; Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) are both scheduled to attend.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/61639-president-summons-hill-leaders-on-afghanistan#

Posted by: snowbama | October 26, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

It is the first time in six months that House Republican leaders have been invited to the White House to discuss official business; Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) are both scheduled to attend.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/61639-president-summons-hill-leaders-on-afghanistan#

Posted by: snowbama | October 26, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Unlike Predecessor, Obama As Golfer Gets Mostly Favorable Drops from the Press


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2009/10/26/unlike-predecessor-obama-golfer-gets-mostly-favorable-drops-press

Posted by: snowbama | October 26, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

With a 5.66% margin of error (only 300 likely voters) the C4G should be reporting this as a statistical tie between Owen and Hoffman.

Yes, CC, you used the word "Club" in your headline, but that doesn't cover the depth of partisanship in this poll and your post.

Posted by: mikenmidland | October 26, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

When it is raining, Liberals prefer the weather report from Barbados.

Posted by: snowbama | October 26, 2009 3:30 PM |
===================================

you're the one here for the breathless weather updates within
the Waterloo (toilet water) just about this time last year. It is
incomplete reporting but keeps you dead enders playing. Well,
except JakeD whom is boycotting. Surely, it still tunes in for the
"stiff upper lip" weather updates. And I'm not complaining that
there is no negative coverage, can't ignore toe tapping in the
bathroom or Argentinian firecrackers, but I want to know about
redistricting for example, or Party breakdown of how many seats
are up in 2010 in the senate... I think we are only going to get a
true political blog when we have the two-parties pivoting off
each other rather than one (1) single slug with a pointy toed
boot on his head reporting from Texas.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 26, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Don't bother, Sean. When he isn't copying other people's work, his posts are completely without truth or merit. Just making stuff up, like every single point in his last post.

Posted by: mikenmidland | October 26, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

reports today that Obama has surpassed Bush in the rounds of golf category, in only a few months.
No problem mon! times have changed.

the washingtonian magazine reports he has also visited over 90 local restaurants already, also more than bush's entire term by a longshot.

It is nice that he is enjoying the trappings of power while our soldiers wait for his two month overdue decision on fighting the "real war". while we wait for an inkling of leadership on legislation.

Still no time since April to exercise those bipartisan yearnings with Repubs either.

But he has had time to attend more fundraisers than Bush did in his entire term as well.

Spent more than every president in history combined, too.

so who says he has no accomplishments.

Posted by: snowbama | October 26, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"poor libs. just don't get it. Obama is for the birds. he is already a lame duck."

Uh huh. A lame duck on the verge of passing the most significant healthcare reform since at least the New Deal era.

I don't know that I trust a CfG poll, but it'll be interesting to see how the results go. Ultimately, I don't think this district has enough Republican voters to support both Hoffman and Scozzafava.

Posted by: SeanC1 | October 26, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

the wages of liberalism:

CNN, which invented the cable news network more than two decades ago, will hit a new competitive low with its prime-time programs in October, finishing fourth – and last – among the cable news networks with the audience that all the networks rely on for their advertising.(Snip)That means CNN’s programs were behind not only Fox News and MSNBC, but even its own sister network HLN

aka - failure.is anyone in america still so stupid as to think that leftism is a viable option for anything that actually needs to get done?

dither on!

Posted by: snowbama | October 26, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Do we believe anything coming from the c4g?

No, we don't. They're hardcore Republican ideologues therefore it is perfectly safe to presume that everything they say is a lie/

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 26, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: panto1455 | October 26, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Yawn. Daily Kos/Research 2000 shows Owens up by 5 over Scozzafava, 12 over Hoffmann.

http://www.dailykos.com/statepoll/2009/10/21/NY/403

CC, the least you could do is report on the horse race rather than cherry pick polls. Better to talk about the Collins and Pawlenty endorsements (or Gingrich, Armey, Palin, etc.).

Posted by: mnteng | October 26, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I am appalled that you didn't mention the MOE or the pollster's inherent bias. Not good form. Not good reporting either.

Posted by: jrc1234 | October 26, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I am appalled that you didn't mention the MOE or the pollster's inherent bias. Not good form. Not good reporting either.

Posted by: jrc1234 | October 26, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Actually, FB, he reminds me more of Napoleon than Snowball.

Either way, he's way behind the times. It's not 1984 any more.

Posted by: Gallenod | October 26, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

If you want to read the rest of snowball's 3:18 post, you can find it at http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/10/obama_voters_have_let_down_the.html

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 26, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

When it is raining, Liberals prefer the weather report from Barbados.

Posted by: snowbama | October 26, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

once again, sure would be nice to have a democrat version of the
fix, or even a middle-of-the-road, non-partisan political Fix.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 26, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

What 'Fix' Headline Should Be:

RIGHT WING CLUB FOR GROWTH HEDGING BET ON CONSERVATIVE HOFFMAN; PUTS DEM FAR AHEAD OF GOP'ER


Quoting a poll commissioned by the Club for Growth? That's as credible as printing a poll commissioned by Code Pink. Although I must admit, it is remarkable that their poll has Hoffman leading the Democrat by only four points in a traditionally GOP district.

That tells me that your headline should be as noted, supra.

***

ATTENTION A.G. HOLDER/POTUS/VPOTUS:

Where is the DOJ Civil Rights Division investigation into the covert deployment of silent, harmful microwave and laser directed energy weapons systems on unjustly targeted Americans and their families by a Bush-legacy federal-local "multi-agency coordinated action program" that continues to commit civil and human rights violations under Team Obama...

... including government-enabled, warrantless GPS-activated, covert "community stalking" harassment, surreptitious home entries, and domestic terrorism?

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 26, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

As Obama flails about, a very few of his fans are beginning to notice he can't deliver. His image sold to the public during the campaign was as phony as a David Axelrod astroturf group shilling for Commonwealth Edison. But for those who bought into him hook line and sinker, failure needs rationalization.

Reality is intruding. Barack Obama never ran anything. And it shows to those not blinded by the light from the light worker.


He is making it up as he goes along, letting others sweat the details. As a result, there is no coordination, no cross communication. They can't keep their stories straight. He is having trouble delivering on his promises. A lot of them turn out to be a lot more complicated than they seemed to the faculty lounge theorist mind of Obama. Say, closing Gitmo.


So as Obama accomplishes nothing much domestically, and proves himself to be a naïf in the geopolitical realm, his true believers have a lot of rationalizing to do.

Posted by: snowbama | October 26, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Club for Growth's pet candidate; Club for Growth's poll.

Regardless, isn't this the seat that's gone GOP since 1871? Not exactly a referendum on the current administration.

Posted by: mikenmidland | October 26, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

poor libs. just don't get it. Obama is for the birds. he is already a lame duck.

Posted by: snowbama | October 26, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

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