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Still No Winner in Florida's 13th District

News of aspiring 2008 presidential candidates may have pushed the just-concluded midterm elections off the front pages, but one 2006 story remains without an end -- the ongoing legal fight over the results in Florida's 13th Congressional District.

At issue is the high rate of "undervoting" in the vote tally, as some 18,000 ballots recorded votes for other offices in Sarasota County but not for the congressional race between auto dealer Vern Buchanan (R) and banker Christine Jennings (D). That undervote rate was six times higher than in the other counties of the district.

Florida election authorities certified Buchanan's 369-vote victory on Nov. 20, but Jennings has sued the state and the manufacturer of the touch-screen voting machines used in the county in hopes of getting to the bottom of the matter.

"This is not about Republicans and this is not about Democrats," Jennings said when announcing the lawsuit. "It's about fixing a broken voting system."

Jennings has asked a state court to either declare her the winner or schedule a re-vote. Meanwhile, Buchanan has moved forward with his plans to take over the seat in the 110th Congress, preparations that include hiring Dave Karvelas, a longtime political hand of defeated Rep. Nancy Johnson (Conn.), as his chief of staff.

While the incoming Democratic House majority is sure to use the 13th District as an example of the need for a paper trail for touch-screen voting machines, it seems unlikely that the party will get involved in the legal fight between Jennings and Buchanan. Asked about the situation, a spokeswoman for incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would say only: "We're monitoring the situation."

Jennings has until Dec. 20 to ask the House Administration Committee to investigate the election and rule on which candidate should be seated. She has said she will likely ask Congress to look into the election, as the state court case is unlikely to be resolved by that deadline. Jennings also has the option of filing suit in federal court to overturn the election results.

The last time Congress played a decisive role in a disputed election was in 1984 in the race between Democrat Frank McCloskey and Republican Richard McIntyre. In that contest McCloskey initially led by 72 votes, but a subsequent recount found a counting error that gave McIntyre the victory. House Democrats refused to seat McIntyre and formed a panel to examine which votes should and should not be included. The matter eventually went to the House floor where a vote to seat McCloskey was approved along party lines.

Ten years earlier, Congress weighed in on a New Hampshire Senate race between Democrat John Durkin and Republican Louis Wyman. Wyman led in the first count by 355 votes, but a recount gave Durkin a 10-vote margin. Wyman asked the three-member state Ballot Law Commission to examine several hundred controversial ballots. That committee gave Wyman the win by just two votes, prompting Durkin to appeal the decision to the Senate. A Senate committee was tasked with examining the election results but no consensus could be reached. A special election was called and held on Sept. 16, 1975; Durkin won with 54 percent.

More on the Web

* Analysis Point to Bad Ballot Design (Sarasota Herald-News, Dec. 5)

* State Says Voting Machine Test Variations Due to Human Error (Bradenton Herald, Dec. 5)

* Jennings Ignores Setbacks, Calls for Revote in Florida (The Hill, Dec. 5)

By Chris Cillizza  |  December 6, 2006; 5:00 AM ET
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From a Post story on Tuesday (12/05/06)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/04/AR2006120401290.html

Federal Panel Rebuffs Guidelines That Insist on a Paper Trail
By Cameron W. Barr

"Committee member Brit Williams, a computer scientist who has conducted certification evaluations of Georgia's paperless electronic voting system, opposed the measure. 'You are talking about basically a reinstallation of the entire voting system hardware,' he said."

That's right Mr. Barr; we're talking about getting it right. Instead of letting the technology tail wag the dog.

Current estimates are that we're spending almost a billion and a half dollars each week in Iraq. If we can afford that, then we can afford making sure that each vote is made and counted correctly for every election in this country. A couple of hundred million to do that is only one day's spending in Iraq.

Posted by: Nor'Easter | December 7, 2006 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Of course, no one mentioned the Washington state gov race two years ago, in which several hundred ballots in King County (Seattle) mysteriously appeared after GOP candidate Dino Rossi was up by about 200 votes on the first count.

How consistent the FL situation is with the Dems/libs belief that nothing is settled until it is settled in their favor, and then can never be raised again.

Posted by: Nevada | December 6, 2006 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The 2000 election in Florida comes up in every discussion of voting fraud. There is no need to debate what happened. A very thourough recount of all of the ballots was conducted under tremendously cautious conditions by NORC (www.norc.org/fl/). The results are clear and not rationally disputable.

If the method proposed by Bush's legal team (two corners detatched) was applied to all of the ballots, then Gore would have won. Gore got more votes in Florida. This is not debatable.

Bush won the 2000 election because elections can't take a year to decide, so the courts get involved, and a decision is reached. Bush won the election - the courts are part of the electoral process. That is also not debatable.

Please do not criticize Al Gore for going to the courts. He was right to protest, since the difinitive record shows that the majority of voters in Florida did IN FACT intend to elect Gore.

The reason that this definitive report is not more widely known is that the results weren't determined until November of 2001, and our national grief made the result seem petty. Many papers never even covered it.

Posted by: Adam Hammond | December 6, 2006 7:15 PM | Report abuse

See http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/06/opinion/06goldway.html

Every once in a great while the best answer is both ridiculously simple and relatively cheap. Question: why won't we, as a nation, jump to a mail-in system? I voted by absentee ballot (without an excuse) and plan to continue to do so.

Posted by: Judge C. Crater | December 6, 2006 5:52 PM | Report abuse

re: Karen--Can you blame Democrats for having a sour taste in their mouths when it comes to Florida? After all, the Republican Vote-Stealing Machine in Florida did hand the presidency to Dubya back in 2000. Something stinks in FL 13, and if the shoe was on the other foot and the Republican were losing because of an 18000-count undervote, you'd be crying a much different tune.

Posted by: lorin | December 6, 2006 5:06 PM | Report abuse

OK, let's try something related to the original subject: Regardless of how this election turns out, is there anyone who can make an intelligent argument for not having a paper trail after this? Seriously - it'd be interesting to hear why.

Posted by: iceman | December 6, 2006 4:13 PM | Report abuse

by the way-

Rep. Hayes beats Dem Kissell in NC-8 by 329 votes

Rep. Cubin beats Dem Trauner in WY-at large by 1012 votes

Rep. Wilson beats Dem Madrid in NM-1 by less than 900 votes

No lawsuits. No fuss.

Posted by: RMill | December 6, 2006 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Today at a too-rare oversight hearing, incoming Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Patrick Leahy (D-VT) gave the Bureau's director, Robert S. Mueller III, an idea of the kind of inquiries he's planning come January.

What made the list? Datamining and privacy; detainee treatment; the shortage of FBI Arabic translators; and the bureau's continued technology woes.

Excerpts from Leahy's statement, after the jump.

Here are key portions of Leahy's statement:

On the administration's secret dossiers on innocent Americans:

The recent revelation that the Bush Administration, since 9/11, has been compiling secret dossiers on millions of unwitting, law-abiding Americans who travel across our borders, highlights the importance of diligent congressional oversight. It is simply incredible that the Administration is willing to share this sensitive information with foreign governments and even private employers, while refusing to allow U.S. citizens to see or challenge the so-called terror score that the government has assigned them based on their travel habits and schedules.
When done poorly or without proper safeguards and oversight, data banks do not make us safer, they just further erode Americans' privacy and civil liberties. This Administration has gone to unprecedented lengths to hide its own activities from the public, while at the same time collecting and compiling unprecedented amounts of information about every citizen.

New technologies make data banks more powerful and more useful than they have ever been before. They have a place in our security regimen. But powerful tools like this are easy to abuse and are prone to mistakes. A mistake can cost Americans their jobs and wreak havoc in their lives. Mistakes on government watch lists have become legendary in recent years. We need checks and balances to keep government data bases from being misused against the American people.

Posted by: yes! | December 6, 2006 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Joe keep reading

By the way, the answer Karen is there is only one Republican in the entire nation who lost by less votes than Jennings and that was Rob Simmons in CT-2 who lost by 91 votes.

Posted by: RMill | December 6, 2006 11:08 AM

And I was sure that others could name it, I just wasn't sure Karen could.

Posted by: RMill | December 6, 2006 1:41 PM | Report abuse

You are a little too detached from reality to even try to reason with sam-- I just don't have time for it. Live on in your little fantasy world. Be happy in your delusions. Keep listening to rush.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2006 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Drinking Koolaid? So I should die because I believe Gore made a fool of himself and after he got a phone call from Florida Attorney General some guy with a the lastname Butterworth or something. The Washington Post and national media have documented all the ploys and picketing by the Democrats and CNN footage was on hand to document all the drama.
Tell me again why Gore and his lawyers tried to dump the absentee military votes?
The concept of count every vote went right out the window the minute Gore and his people tried to sabotage the votes from the armed services protected US interests around the world.
Even Abraham Lincoln allowed his military to cast votes during the Civil War, as well as FDR and Truman.
Gore lost, and the Democrats blame every problem with voting machines on the Republicans. So get over it, the Democrats need to get their brains out of their hateful mood or you will lose the White House again in 2008.

Posted by: Sam | December 6, 2006 1:25 PM | Report abuse

there were no irregularities in simmons' district like there were in Jennings'.

Posted by: JD | December 6, 2006 1:12 PM | Report abuse

there were no irregularities in simmons' district like there were in Jennings'.

Posted by: JD | December 6, 2006 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"Karen

Just wondering, can you name one? Which Republicans lost by fewer than 369 votes?"

See Rob Simmons. No lawsuit or public outcry there. Same with Allen (though he lost by more than 369, look at all the votes cast).

Posted by: Joe | December 6, 2006 12:35 PM | Report abuse


Dick Cheney's Sixth Grandchild
Will Have Two Mommies

Posted by: heh heh | December 6, 2006 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I was concerned about Gates, because of his connection with Iran/Contra, but he sure sounds reasonable and sane next to rummy:

"The current senators, having embraced Gates as the ticket out of Iraq, encouraged him to say something bad about Bush policies. Mark Dayton (D-Minn.) got Gates to criticize the administration's disbanding of the Iraqi army and de-Baathification of the government. McCain got him to say that "there clearly were insufficient troops." Byrd got him to say that it would be folly to attack Iran or Syria. Warner got him to say that Bush "understands that there needs to be a change in our approach in Iraq." Lindsey Graham (R-S.C) got him to say that Iraq wasn't necessarily the "central front" in the fight against terrorism. Levin got him to criticize the Pentagon's handling of intelligence.

But it was Kennedy, the old liberal, who elicited an emotional response when he noted that 59 Americans had been killed in Iraq since Gates was nominated.

Gates, unlike some predecessors at the Pentagon, knew the war's total tally: 2,889 dead as of Monday morning. "Twelve graduates of Texas A&M have been killed in Iraq," said the nominee, who is A&M's president. "I would run in the morning with some of those kids. . . . I'd hand them their degrees, I'd attend their commissioning, and then I would get word of their death. So this all comes down to being very personal for all of us.""

Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2006 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Do all the GOP apologists nattering about "recounts" understand that because these were electronic votes, there is nothing to recount? The best that can be done is to retabulate: that is, check that the machine totals were properly recorded, reported, and added together.

The retabulation is important, but it tells us nothing -- zip, nada, bubkes, diddly squat -- about the accuracy or reliability of the machines with respect to recording the votes themselves.

Posted by: mark | December 6, 2006 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Sam must have been listening to Rush again... Gore tryed to drag the courts in? Oh jeez, keep drinking that koolaid boy. You're another delusional lunatic.

And yes, I'd rather have an empty seat than let someone cheat their way to one. You just don't care about democracy -- only winning.

Our nation has been in a turmoil at the ballot box because republicans own all the black boxes and it's not like they're partisan or anything. Get over it.

Posted by: drindl | December 6, 2006 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Jennings from Florida is another reason why our Constitution shows presidential election chaos is handled by Congress, like in 1800, when no candidate has a clear electoral vote. I guess the Democrats want an empty seat instead of getting this resolved before the next Congress? Ever since Gore trying to drag the courts into the 2000 election, our nation has been in turmoil at the ballot box, and each cycle brings more chaos, not less. My state has the optical-scanner system, with a paper ballot and filled ovals. Easy to audit and clarify the vote.
If Jennings was the winner, what would the Democrats be saying today if Buchanan was using a lawsuit to win Congess? This is more political claptrap and since Buchanan is still ahead today, over 1 month since the votes were cast, he is still the majority vote holder.
Jennings is coming across as a sore loser.

Posted by: Sam | December 6, 2006 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Funny how the county with the undervote tends Democratic...

These voting machines have been shown to be easily hacked, unrealiable and don't give a paper trail to confirm the vote. And note, ESS and Diebold machines all are already equipped with a printer to tally the votes. Yet rather than giving you a receipt that would confirm your voting choice which you could then put into a ballot box in case there's a recount, these republican-owned companies fought to prevent that simple fix to prevent voter fraud. Why? Maybe when O'Dell said he'd deliver Ohio to Bush in 2000, he made sure it would happen one way or another.

CALL A SPECIAL ELECTION - and ignore the hypocrisy of the likes of Karen - aka political paid hack...

Posted by: john | December 6, 2006 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I was going to quit this blog because of the tripe that seems to appear now and then at the top, but you posters always make it worth reading what's beneath, you're a pretty funny bunch of opinions that I tend to agree with.

Mary Cheney and the immaculate deception...

...riding in on an elephant instead of a donkey?

I once blogged here about certain cult connections to the voting machine software schemers in Florida.

Anyone who suspects "The Fix" is in, in Florida's 13th, might want to study back to old news stories about state software problems for the nation of Germany and the state of Iowa, and this paranoid delusional rant seems a bit less delusional.

No more secrets, no more lies, our votes must be counted!

The very first hour of that historic 100 should produce a Congressional demand for a verifiable paper ballot.

And if its not a unanimous vote, then we will have a short list of some lawmakers who need to lose their jobs the very next chance we have again to boost them from office. (We need to install ejector seats in Congress that launch these rogues right out of the building, now that might actually get the public to watch C-span a lot more often...)

Posted by: JEP | December 6, 2006 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Adam

The undercount was countywide, not a single machine.

Also, due to ballot design problems, a similar undercount was seen in the Attorney general's race, although not quite to the same degree.

The ballot design in Sarasota County placed the congressional race on the same screen as the governors race, instead of a seperate screen like other races. The speculation is that this could have been mistaken as additional candidates for governor and overlooked in many cases.

The same occured for the attorney generals race.

Based on the rest of the state, the undervote normally would have been 3,000-4,000. The additional 14,000+ votes and given the margin of voctory in Sarasota COunty for Jennings, could have produced as many as 1,100 additional vote margin for Jennings, handing her the victory.

Posted by: RMill | December 6, 2006 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Karen

Just wondering, can you name one? Which Republicans lost by fewer than 369 votes?

I mean I get your point but your use of hyperbole is off.

And as several have already pointed out, this is a much different and more suspicious circumstance.

I would also like to caution that the proposed legislation requiring a paper-trail is not going to work unless it mandates better physical hardware.

In Cuyahoga County, during the May primary, a full 10% of the votes were lost due to missing, damaged or illegible print outs from the attached VVPAT printer.

By the way, the answer Karen is there is only one Republican in the entire nation who lost by less votes than Jennings and that was Rob Simmons in CT-2 who lost by 91 votes.

Posted by: RMill | December 6, 2006 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Good call Bobby.

Go Fair Trade this Christmas:

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http://www.coopamerica.org/pubs/greenpages/

Fair Trade means an equitable and fair partnership between marketers in North America and producers in Asia, Africa, Latin America, and other parts of the world. A fair trade partnership works to provide low-income artisans and farmers with a living wage for their work.

Lots of great gifts. I give fair trade gifts for bdays and holidays and they are always well-received (esp the chocolates, coffees and teas!).

Peace on Earth. Good will towards all men and women. That's what it's all about. Happy holidays, everyone.

Posted by: F&B | December 6, 2006 10:37 AM | Report abuse

>>>The richest 2 per cent of adults own more than half the world's wealth

and equally as scary, the bottom 50% of the Earth's population (close to 3 BILLON PEOPLE, everyone, that's 10x the population of the United States) own just:

1%

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6211250.stm

Let's face it, Western style "free trade" and commercialism/materialism have been built on the backs of the WORLD'S POOR.

Think about that next time you go to Target and buy cheap crap from China.

Posted by: F&B | December 6, 2006 10:27 AM | Report abuse


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But just when you're feeling hopeful again, you get reports like yesterday's Wall Street Journal piece reporting that delinquency rates are suddenly soaring on all those loosey-goosey subprime mortgages. They are starting to cause real heartburn for pension funds and other investors who bought securities backed by those mortgages on the theory that they were no more risky than a Treasury bond.

"We are a bit surprised by how fast this has unraveled," Thomas Zimmerman, head of asset-backed securities research at UBS, told the Journal, removing his head from the sand. Trust me, Tom, you ain't seen nothin' yet. After the subprime loans come the 100 percent, interest-only loans, followed by the meltdown in the overbuilt multi-family housing sector."

Posted by: repub economy meltdown | December 6, 2006 10:26 AM | Report abuse


MS GOV BARBOUR CUTS ALL FUNDING TO ANTI-SMOKING PROGRAM
Mississippi's Governor Haley Barbour, a former tobacco lobbyist, has won his battle against a program created to prevent children from smoking.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2006 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Bush invites Republican Lite [TM] corporatists to dinner:

'President Bush has invited leaders of the conservative Blue Dog and New Democrat coalitions to the White House Friday to discuss areas of "mutual cooperation" in the words of one Democratic Congressional aide.
The outreach comes at a time when Bush's image on Capitol Hill and around the country has taken a serious beating. The meeting is scheduled just two days after the Iraq Study Group is scheduled to release its findings and one day after the Senate Armed Services Committee plans to hold hearings on them.

Reps. Alan Boyd (Fla.), Dennis Moore (Kan.) and Mike Ross (Ark.) will represent the Blue Dogs, a coalition of usually southern, conservative-leaning Democrats and Reps. Joe Crowley (N.Y.), Artur Davis (Ala.), Ron Kind (Wis.), Adam Smith (Wash.) and Ellen Tauscher (Calif.) are set to represent the New Democrats, a group of business-friendly centrists, at the meeting, which the president is expected to attend.'

Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2006 10:20 AM | Report abuse

More story fodder for ya, chris:

Duncan Hunter, IN:

In any event, Hunter made it clear that his official candidacy is a foregone conclusion, saying: "We're preparing to run. While the lawyers are crossing the T's and dotting I's, we're down here getting a running start."

Posted by: drindl | December 6, 2006 10:18 AM | Report abuse

This post is so crucial and timely.

Its not like the Iraq Study Group is releasing its report today rebuking the basis of Bush's entire Presidency....

Oh, it IS?

You'd never know at The Fix, right Chris?

Posted by: F&B | December 6, 2006 10:17 AM | Report abuse

'So many instances where it's hard to distinguish the real news from the stuff that shows up in The Onion. From the Post, new Congress to shelve old two day work week for a five day work week. No, not makin' this up.

Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA) -- one of the worst from the old GOP Congress -- on why working for a living is against family values: "Keeping us up here eats away at families. Marriages suffer. The Democrats could care less about families -- that's what this says."

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

Posted by: LOL | December 6, 2006 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Something is VERY wrong here. I think a special prosecutor should be appointed to look into the security surrounding this election.

This is our MOST important right -- to vote. We can't just shrug our shoulders and say, oh well. Let's just move on, like it didn't hqppen. We have to figure out what the problem was, or it could happen any time, in any place, in any election.

Posted by: drndl | December 6, 2006 10:12 AM | Report abuse

It is hard to believe that someone who wanted to rig a florida house race would cause the machines to drop only the house vote. Why not just drop the whole voter? Wouldn't a person planning a serious felony realize that the undercount would be a problem?

Does anyone know how many people (on average) used each machine in the region in question? 18,000 is way too many to be a single machine failing. This is a great mystery.

A special election seems like the way to go. As a country, we seem to really resist this vote resolution, but it seems like the best way to be fair.

Posted by: Adam Hammond | December 6, 2006 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Off topic, but Chris might like to hear this:

Driving home from downtown DC Sat aft, hubby and I heard on the radio (I believe it was NPR news - could be wrong) that Michael Steele is already making moves for a Senate run in MD in 2010 - maybe he should get a job, first?

Posted by: star11 | December 6, 2006 9:51 AM | Report abuse

An unfortunate necessity of a democratic process is the legal rules for contesting the results. No vote counting system is infalible, so there MUST be a process for evaluating possible errors. This is just part of the system, and no one should be critcized for taking part in it. This is democracy in the real world.

Posted by: Adam Hammond | December 6, 2006 9:51 AM | Report abuse

One member of the House by themselves has virtually no power -especially the new guy on the block - all of this over the image of power or hopes for power in the future - this is all very sickening.

What is clear to me is, the Reputricans herein complaining about the suit are saying - how dare anyone want to investigate a clear problem with the electoral process? HEil Reputricans!!!!!

Power for the sake of power is sick - power at the will of the people is a democracy-

having said that if the House Dems use their power to change a Republican win then they are just as bad - it is one seat - not the difference in who holds power in the House.

We should get to the bottom of the problem and highlight this case as to why we need a paper trail - then let it go.

Bobby Wightman-Cervantes
www.balancingtheissues.com

Remember it is just wrong to buy Chinese made Christmas presents at the same time China does not allow Christians to freely practice their faith.

Posted by: Bobby Wightman-Cervantes | December 6, 2006 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Terry:

Even as a Dem - I agree that it seems quite out of line for Jennings to demand to be declared the winner without any count going in her favor. I find the whole thing very strange - there must be something going on here. Regardless, no one can just be declared the winner. . .

Posted by: star11 | December 6, 2006 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Oh please, please -- don't ever call a democrat 'arrogant' for challenging a vote. Do you just pretend the last 6 years hasn't happened when you say something this stoopid and absurd?

There's an 18,000 vote anomaly... obviously something is going on with the hackable voting machines. I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot you'd be screeching at the top of your lungs for do-over. How can anyone be this dishonest and disingenious?


The richest 2 per cent of adults own more than half the world's wealth, according to the most comprehensive study of personal assets.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2006 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I keep reading in the mainstream press about how the 2006 election was about the American electorate wanting more bipartisanship. Really? Based on what?

I haven't seen any exit polls from the elections that showed that anyone voted based on bipartisanship or centrism. I have seen many polls that said they voted based on corruption, Iraq and change.

But the real proof is in the numbers. Twenty-nine House seats and six Senate seats changed from Republican to Democrat. None changed from Democrat to Republican. Not one.
That's not bipartisanship. That's a 35-0 blowout.

The American people spoke loud and clear - we want to go in the direction of the Democrats. There were no mixed messages about the Democrats going halfway to meet the Republicans. If anyone has to move towards the middle it is clearly the Republicans.

I don't want to see one more "news" story about how the Democrats should move toward the Republicans or meet them halfway because that's what "people" want. What people? The voters were clear and that is not what they said.

This would seem to be an ironic post since I am a centrist. I want the country to be in the center. And I think the press is also quite centrist and their inclination is to try to bring the country into the center. This is partly because of their neutrality fetish but partly because they have a sense of where the American people stand generally.

But here is the big difference. I recognize that the center is NOT between where the Democrats and the Republicans stand now. The center has stayed the same but both political parties have moved way to the right. So, now the center stands squarely where the Democratic Party is currently. That's partly why many liberal activists complain about the Democratic Party these days.

You know who understands this best? The American people. That's why they gave the Democrats the 35-0 victory last month. Because the Democrats are now exactly in the center, where the American people want to be.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/the-bipartisan-myth-demo_b_35663.html

Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2006 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I find it very arrogant of Ms. Jennings to have "asked a state court to either declare her the winner or schedule a re-vote." After all, Buchanan won the original count as well as all the recounts.

http://commenterry.blogs.com

Posted by: Terry Mitchell | December 6, 2006 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Well, judge, they didn't name her mary for nothing...

I say congratulations, the girl's got spirit. imagine telling lynn she was going to have to explain this to the All-Knowing and Self-Righeous Base. Ouch.

Posted by: drindl | December 6, 2006 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Drindl, no since lesbos can't conceive it must be an Immaculate Conception! The Divine Uber-Cheney Child has been conceived! Sent to deliver us from the evil clutches of those gosh darn liberals! And to start, conveniently, WWIII in the Middle East, the Rapture/Second Coming etc., etc. zzzzzzzzzzzz.

Posted by: Judge C. Crater | December 6, 2006 9:05 AM | Report abuse

'The WP's Reliable Source reports that Mary Cheney, the vice president's lesbian daughter, is pregnant. According to the paper's source, Cheney and her partner of 15 years are excited about the baby, which they expect sometime in late spring.'

Bad year for the christianistas. Wonder what Brownback and Romney and all the others running to the hard right Salem wing of the party will have to say about this? Somebody [Chris?] should ask them to take a stand.

Posted by: drindl | December 6, 2006 8:48 AM | Report abuse

karen -- keep drinking that koolaid, hon. don't let facts get in the way of your reichian fantasies. hold onto the dream. close your eyes and repeat 'we didn't lose. we didn't lose. it's all a bad dream... we didn't lose.'

feel better now?

Posted by: drindl | December 6, 2006 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Democrats across the country lost by less than the cheatin' republican in Florida, but handled the loss with dignity and respect. A republican loses a seat in a republican county, and stands ready to call trial lawyers. Absolutely disgusting. Buchanan is a disgrace to Florida, this country, and democracy.

Posted by: Karen's game | December 6, 2006 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Karen,

There was an 18,000 undervote in a heavily Democratic area. Jennings either did (if the machines didn't count votes) or would have (had the ballot not been so poorly designed.)

Also, there were recounts in every seat that was decided by less. Don't tell me Republicans were just poor little sheep. Both sides had teams of lawyers ready to go and Election Night and after.

Posted by: Zach | December 6, 2006 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Democrats make election reform a top priority. We need to make our democracy reliable at home before we attempt to spread it around the globe.

http://intrepidliberaljournal.blogspot.com

Posted by: It Is Imperative ... | December 6, 2006 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Republicans across the country lost by less than the cheatin' democrat in Florida, but handled the loss with dignity and respect. A democrat loses a seat in a republican county, and calls trial lawyers. Absolutely disgusting. Jennings is a disgrace to Florida, this country, and democracy.

Posted by: Karen | December 6, 2006 8:27 AM | Report abuse

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