Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity

Why people dislike government (and why it matters for 2010)



Anger is rising in advance of the midterms.

A new Pew poll finds historic levels of unhappiness about the federal government and its role in the lives of average Americans, unrest that is at the foundation of what is shaping up to be a strongly anti-incumbent political year.

The current conditions in public opinion amount to a "perfect storm" of disgust/distrust toward government, according to Pew poll director Andy Kohut, who cites "a dismal economy, an unhappy public, bitter partisan-based backlash, and epic discontent with Congress and elected officials" as the critical factors in this building tempest.

While the report -- all 140 pages of it -- is chock full of great data, a few numbers stand out as typifying the current discontent coursing through the public.

* Roughly one in five voters (22 percent) said they can trust the government in Washington always or almost always, the lowest ebb on that question in 50 years.

* Just 38 percent said the federal government has an overall positive effect on their daily lives while 43 percent see its impact as broadly negative. Those numbers mark a considerable reversal from an October 1997 Pew poll when 50 percent said the government had a positive effect on their lives while 31 percent said it had a negative one.

* The public blames Members of Congress more than the system itself for their malaise. A majority (52 percent) said the political system can work but Members are the problem. Roughly one in three (31 percent) blame the system, not the Members.

Those soaring levels of dissatisfaction have to worry incumbents of both parties -- although the electoral pain will almost certainly be felt more by Democrats since, well, they have a lot more incumbents in the House and Senate.

More potentially problematic for Democrats is that the Pew poll also shows that the discontent toward the federal government runs far stronger among Republicans and independents and appears to be directly correlated with voter intensity.

More than eight in ten Republicans that are highly dissatisfied with the federal government told Pew they are absolutely certain to vote in the midterms while 67 percent of self identified GOPers who are less dissatisfied said it was a certainty that they would vote in the fall.

Independents, too, mirror that trend. Nearly eight in ten (78 percent) of those highly dissatisfied with the government are a lock to to vote in the fall as compared to 58 percent who are less unhappy that said the same.

(Democrats, by contrast, don't have that sort of dissatisfaction split; 63 percent of those who are very frustrated with the government said they are certain to vote while 64 percent of those who are less frustrated said the same.)

Kohut, in typically understated fashion, concludes after a look at the numbers that "the public's hostility toward government seems likely to be an important election issue favoring the Republicans this fall."

All elections are about intensity and passion -- and midterm elections are even more so.

Democrats saw across-the-board gains in 2006 because the party base as well as lots of Democratic-leaning independents were dead-set on sending President George W. Bush a message.

Republicans -- and Republican-leaning independents, on the other hand, were significantly less energized to vote, feeling as though Bush had abandoned them on spending and size of government issues, not to mention the cloud cast by his Administration's handling of Hurricane Katrina.

The White House and congressional Democrats insisted that the best political outcome from the passage of the health care bill last month was that it re-energized what had been a very listless party base since Obama's election in 2008.

Perhaps. But, the Pew numbers suggest that Republicans today still hold the high ground in the intensity battle heading into the fall campaign. Eliminating that edge may well be impossible -- the party out of power is always more motivated to "throw the bums out" -- but Democrats must find ways to mitigate it if they hope to keep their losses at historic norms (or below) in November.

Reblog this post [with Zemanta]

By Chris Cillizza  |  April 19, 2010; 11:41 AM ET
Categories:  House , Senate  | Tags: Democratic, Federal government of the United States, George W Bush, Health care, Presidency of George W. Bush, Republican, United States  
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: President Obama raises cash for Barbara Boxer, DNC
Next: What can (and should) Charlie Crist do?

Comments

lol... for those on the left that insist on using the disgusting term they have created for the Tea Party people... how do these figures measure up to the 18% of Tea party "supporters" that you think are anti-gvt, non-taxed and racist? lol

WOW... that 18% just grew into a massive majority of 76% that either never or sometimes trust the gvt! Eerily close to the 66% who think we're overtaxed... wonder if the HC tax bill will increase that when we finally feel the hammer from it.

Posted by: Mitchina | April 21, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

@Maerzie

Thank you. It is comments like that one, in particular, that will point people in the right direction. There were hundreds of thousands of people locking up the Congressional switchboard over the HCR vote, and we need millions more citizens to voice their opinion.

Call your Senators, your Representatives, and give them a piece of your mind. :D

Posted by: OfConservativeMind | April 21, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

You can't truly "LOVE" or "HATE" anything ubtil you "KNOW" it, and the majority of these people know NOTHING about their government or how to use it!

Some of the Tea Partiers have actually ADMITTED that they have NEVER written to a congressperson, never spoken with a congressperson (in person or on a telephone), have never attended a Town Hall Meeting, and SOME have actually never or RARELY even VOTE!!

So, with all this in mind, figure out how meaningful any of their comments or complaints REALLY are!!

Posted by: Maerzie | April 21, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

I only distrust Republican and Libertarians!
Thank god for Obama.

Posted by: HopeForAmerica | April 20, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

I only hate Government Run by Republicans or Libertarians!

Posted by: HopeForAmerica | April 20, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Government IS organized crime. Organized crime is just illegal government.

Posted by: tomasreal | April 20, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Quite simply, we're tired of the lies, the deceipt, the immorality, the class warfare, the waste, the fraud,the ineptness, incompetence and the contempt and disrepect directed towards us by our elected leaders. Rather than working towards a better America, they're working towards a better life and retirement for themselves and the country be damned.

Posted by: Lilycat1 | April 20, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

People are strange... When you're a stranger. These people are angry and they are being manipulated into taking their anger out on the wrong people.
http://www.electroniccigarettesinc.com

Posted by: shibby11 | April 20, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

A factual mistake, Glass-Steagall was repealed UNDER Clinton, not by Clinton,
the repeal passed largely on party lines with Republicans voting for and democrats voting against, and was lobbied for by the republican majority, all three sponsors of the bill were republicans, Sen Phil Gramm (R-Texas) and in the House of Rep Jim Leach (R-Iowa), Thomas J. Bliley, Jr. (R-Virginia), (Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act)
for anyone to see republicans whine on for decades about deregulation and then expect anyone to believe that all of a sudden a folly of deregulation was Bill Clinton's fault is as out of touch with reality as... well the average tea-bagger I guess

Posted by: Ulasem | April 20, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Instead of telling me I cannot get the money I have paid into Social Sec. and Medicare/Medicaid, quit paying for all of those Black budget projects.

Posted by: jcgrue | April 20, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Lying.
Corruption.
Graft.
Incompetence.

I wonder why people don't like the government? If only someone would tell me!

Obama/Biden 2008: "CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!"

Obama/Biden 2012: "But the Republicans did it too ..."

Posted by: andrew23boyle | April 20, 2010 6:02 AM | Report abuse

Lying.
Corruption.
Graft.
Incompetence.

I wonder why people don't like the government?

Obama/Biden 2008: "CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!"

Obama/Biden 2012: "But the Republicans did it too ..."

Posted by: andrew23boyle | April 20, 2010 6:00 AM | Report abuse

Sadly to Government i dont think it amtters at all!

Lou
www.vpn-privacy.us.tc

Posted by: clermontpc | April 20, 2010 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Fairlington


I have given you ample opportunity to defend your position - so I have to take your position is that you have realized I am right on all the points.

You ask for other posters to post in a certain way - however - I have to deal with the unrestrained activity of broadwayjoe, ddawd, bodesan and the other crazy liberals.

So Im getting shot at from all sides - you try to tell me to be civilized - meanwhile I am being subjected to the vilest of attacks from broadwayjoe and crew.

I'm sorry that you have a horrible horrible administration to defend - one that has engaged in vile racist tactics - and once the issues are discussed, it is pretty clear that in American democracy, what Obama's attack machine has done is way out of bounds - and potentially a violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.


I know you have to defend these assaults on Freedom of Speech by an administration that has made a series of stupid mistakes - based primarily on ego - and ego which has been bloated by affirmative action.

And that is just the problem - we have an affirmative action person in a job which he doesn't know what he is doing - he has never been called on to do much in his whole life - all he has done is go onto the next affirmative action program.

Thus when Obama reaches this point, all he knows is a racial world - one based on racial categories - therefore the Tea Party Movement must be racist because they do not agree with him.

Well - it comes down to racism on the part of the Obama attack machine.

That is all they've got - that is all you've got.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

RuEb10

We can go through the list of wars - in World War 1 we were not attacked.


In the Spanish-American war, we were not attacked.


In Korea, we were not attacked.


In Vietnam we were not attacked.

Your theory does not hold.

_________________________________

Your talk about Wall Street ignores that Bill Clinton admitted this weekend that he agreed to deregulate derivatives.


Bill Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall


Bill Clinton had a bunch of his appointees at Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac.


To try to cast the Wall St situation as ALL the Republicans's fault is factly WRONG.

You forget that Hillary ran 3 campaigns - all collecting money from Wall Street interests for 3 separate campaigns.

Can't help you if you wish to be so loose with the facts - I hope you just didn't think of all this - because if you knew all these things, you were lying.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

37th,

I'll do you the courtesy of a final response. I really don't care what your politics are nor do I care what you think of me. What I do care about is a political conversation with a variety of viewpoints. As far as I understand it, that's the point of the Fix.

So, I won't be directly addressing you in the future or parodying your behavior. Mainly because I don't care to feed narcissistic behavior. I'll occasionally suggest to your sparring partners that they withdraw from the ring.

And if you do ever decide to stop the behavior I find objectionable (repeat posting, attacks on other commenters, spamming the blog), I'd be happy to engage with substantive argument. I doubt that's possible.

Buh-bye.

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 19, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

37, let me leave you with this. It has to work eventually. Out.
_________________

"The way you walked was thorny, through no fault of your own. But as the rain enters the soil, the river enters the sea, so tears run to a predestined end. Your suffering is over. Now you will find peace for eternity."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 19, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

The idea that the Republicans can't do any worse has already been proven wrong. Cheney and his merry band of right-wing crazies spent not only the lives and wealth of America like none of it mattered, they ruined our reputation around the world. By invading and occupying a country that didn't attack us, they violated the principles that our country is about. As much as you may disagree with Democrats, Republicans not only can do worse, they certainly will do worse. Remember who wrecked the economy, and caused millions of Americans to lose their jobs, while their Wall Street buddies were cashing in. It was the Republicans. The bank bailouts? It was the Republicans. The list goes on and on.

Posted by: RuEb10 | April 19, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Fairlington


From your comments, I have to take that you refuse to apply the same standards to broadwayjoe, ddawd and the other liberals.

So you agree with broadwayjoe - that based on the color of their skin, the Tea Party Movement is ALL a bunch of racists - not just a few -


In fact, you can tell that they are ALL racist "just by looking at their faces." Right ?


That is a quote from Colbert King by the way - the white faces tell him that they are racist.


Martin Luther King is spinning in his grave - he said "it is not the color of one's skin, but the content of one's character."

Martin Luther King would look at Obama's bipartisan commitments, his post-racial comments, and his promises for transparency - and look at Obama's performance - and Martin Luther King would be FURIOUS.


Martin Luther King would he HORRIFIED - THIS IS WHAT HE WORKED FOR ????


No he did not work for the Frauds of Obama - we all know what he stood for and what Obama stood for IS VASTLY DIFFERENT.

Where do you stand - with Martin Luther King or with the clowns calling the Tea Party Movement racists ????


Seriously - what is wrong with you - let's hear what you have to say.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I dislike the inept, corrupt, self aggrandizing, arrogant, "entitled",
parasitic, disloyal to the people, politicians in Washington who overlook their responsibility to the people for their own gain.

The mess this country is in is not the fault of Obama. It is the fault of the last thirty years of lousy political wheeling and dealing that is taking this country down.

Until and unless, the people vote these bottom feeders OUT of office, it will continue. Both parties are responsible.

Vote OUT OF OFFICE incumbents of both parties and vote for term limits when possible.

Kick the bums out.

Posted by: ronrod17509 | April 19, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

It's not surprising that congressional Republicans reap their share of blame for a widespread distrust of Washington since they are the perpetrators of constant disinformation.

For instance, the public knows that McConnell himself knows full well he is fibbing when the Republican Senate leader presents his litany of references to "bailout." What better way to undermine any remaining public trust that might survive? It might seem that Republicans seek to spread blame to their colleagues in order to shut down all institutions of governance...with the exception of the Supreme Court.

Posted by: FirstMouse1 | April 19, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


Today is the anniversary of Lexington and Concord.


I guess I always question that you are American - so instead of thinking you know what Lexington and Concord is - I should think you actually don't know.

Well - your education is obviously extremely poor. Or you were not listening in class.

Please tell us why you feel the need to lash out at white people everyday on this blog - and call them names - and sexual slurs.

What else is not vile in your postings ?

Martin Luther King would be ashamed of you.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

@Joe - Trust me, I understand the desire to snark at Street Corner. When reduction to absurdity has already occurred, it's difficult not to be the little kid and point at the naked emperor. And frustrating when said emperor goes merrily streaking. Thing is that any engagement is ultimately frustrating. Either the Post decides to let the comments section of a popular blog to be spammed or it takes action. Meanwhile, I'd suggest making your (interesting) points and ignoring Hormel. Come to think of it, that's my new nickname for 37th.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 19, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

37, what's next, VonBrunn Day?

The idea of the baggers celebrating today the most loathsome act of domestic terrorism in U.S. history, Mr. McVeigh's act of madness, is so out of bounds it's unspeakable. Despicable.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 19, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Here's the thing... I'd have to answer in the 80% who don't *always* trust government to do the right thing -- even though I support the President and supported the basic move to start controlling health care costs, so that middle class US Americans will be able to once again afford health care.


Posted by: dogmo | April 19, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

The party in power is always ready to call all who oppose their views radicals, ill informed, etc. than deal with the truth. Obama , his administration, senate and congress continue to be arrogant and listen only to special interest groups and corporate america, not the american people. We should have term limits for Senate and Congress.. The comments being made by Obama, former president clinton, Schummer, Pelosi,etc.. about the tea party group is their acknowledgement that failed to listen to the people who pay them and now they will discredit hard working people's character and deny them their constitutional rights! It is time for the american people to invoke their term limit on senate and congress in 2010 and on Obama in 2012. if these people where serious about health care then they would of just given every american the same health care they get with our tax dollars! Why didn't they do this simple task since money is not an issue? Remember all federal employees and executive government are exempt from the new health care bill.. Why did they do this? Vote all of these idiots out .. NY and california need to send a strong message in November and vote Republican. They can do no worse than the Democrats have and it will definitely wake-up these arrogrant rich & corrupt politicians!!!!

Posted by: junebug9257 | April 19, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

The party in power is always ready to call all who oppose their views radicals, ill informed, etc. than deal with the truth. Obama , his administration, senate and congress continue to be arrogant and listen only to special interest groups and corporate america, not the american people. We should have term limits for Senate and Congress.. The comments being made by Obama, former president clinton, Schummer, Pelosi,etc.. about the tea party group is their acknowledgement that failed to listen to the people who pay them and now they will discredit hard working people's character and deny them their constitutional rights! It is time for the american people to invoke their term limit on senate and congress in 2010 and on Obama in 2012. if these people where serious about health care then they would of just given every american the same health care they get with our tax dollars! Why didn't they do this simple task since money is not an issue? Remember all federal employees and executive government are exempt from the new health care bill.. Why did they do this? Vote all of these idiots out .. NY and california need to send a strong message in November and vote Republican. They can do no worse than the Democrats have and it will definitely wake-up these arrogrant rich & corrupt politicians!!!!

Posted by: junebug9257 | April 19, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse


broadwayjoe writes:

Seriously, who but psychopathic idiots celebrates "Tim McVeigh Day" by showing up at national parks locked and loaded?


_____________________________________

The problem is NOT people showing up in a park during the day with guns - which is legal.

The problem IS blacks in the inner city SHOOTING PEOPLE -


Which happened 7 times YESTERDAY in Chicago alone.


It happened 19 times in Chicago on Thursdays.

In in Washington, across the river from that park, a few weeks ago, 9 people were shot with 4 dead.


I would say the PROBLEM IS BLACK VIOLENCE.

yet, you are hung up on sexual issues - with all your sexual slurs.

would you rather tell us why you are so upset with white people ??/


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe

Today is Patriots Day - it is the anniversay of Lexington and Concord

Why in the world would real Americans want to spoil that National Day of Pride by allowing McVeigh to have any due?


Besides, McVeigh picked the day because Clinton and Reno burned down the Branch Davidians in Waco a year earlier - in a buggled operation that killed alot of people.

Who cares if people have guns in a park in Virginia?? It's legal.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

When a government as egregious as this government declares the American people to be mobs; unAmerican; thugs and charges ahead with legislation that is not acceptable to the general public but is expedient for the Obama admin and socialist leaning congress, then the American people have recourse. Distrust the government and prepare to change the representatives and senators who are the cause of the problem. Since when has it become unamerican to redress the government on issues that are egregious to the common sense of America? Since when should we trust this government when the only thing that counts is loyalty to the party and to the institution of congress? Since when should American's be told to keep silent when we are opposed to the growth of big government that is ever increasing its intrusion into our ability to raise our standards of living and pursue life, liberty and happiness? The Obama admin is leaning toward a european socialist system that will destroy capitalism and the free market system. We have ideologs who have subverted the American way and think the US Constitution is nothing more than a living document that should be changed based upon the attitudes of the people and social reforms needed to create the ideal social model. We say, enough is enough. I did not fight in the jungles of Vietnam against the socialist/communist ideology and then come home to have these same ideologs subverting the government of the United States. No Sir, here I suppose I would be called an "Oather" because the oath I took to support and defend the Constitution against foreign and domestic enemy's is as real today as it was 40 years ago. Do we trust government. NO, a thousand times NO!

Posted by: lhudson828 | April 19, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Bj. I debunked that idiotic poll yesterday.

Take your race baiting elsewhere. You are an stooge.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 19, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

So broadwayjoe


Why is it that you hate white people so much????

Is it like Obama - who wrote in his book that when he walked down the street he felt like all white people were looking at him - like he was going to steal something?


Or does it have something to do with your personal experience with a white woman who rejected your desires for interracial sex?


Is that why you judge people by the color of their white skin???

Tell us why you hate the Tea Party so much - they are all white, so they must ALL be racist, right?

Is that what you think???


Tell us.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

37, you are shooting the messenger. Whoa, poor choice of words in bagger world.

Look, Pal, I am just reporting that a scientific poll conducted by the University of Washington that complies (as far as we know) with commonly journalist standards shows the baggers hold traditional white supremacist viewpoints. And that practically the whole journalistic community (see, e.g., Frank Rich) outside DrudgeFoxFixWorld finds the baggers to be racist, ultraviolent lunatics.

Seriously, who but psychopathic idiots celebrates "Tim McVeigh Day" by showing up at national parks locked and loaded? Come on.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 19, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Blade. Had to take a swing at 3_.

BTW, 500 comments! Seems like someone linked to the Fix today? Congrats.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 19, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

The real answer is 'ignorance'.
The founding fathers did not institute a new country without 'Government'.
That would have been as rediculous then as some profess today.
The fact of the matter is, if you want anything, you have to pay for it. Nothing is free.
If these anti-government types would stop and think about it(it does take thinking), you don't get something for nothing, unless of course that's what they've been used to. I doubt it--------just nothing better to do.
True, the government should be as efficient as possible, but raving and ranting about 'less or no government' isn't going to pay for what we demand.

We need government, but good government that helps 'all' the people, not just the privileged few.

Posted by: kacameron | April 19, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Fairlington Blade


You have got to be kidding - all broadwayjoe does is racial baiting.

You democrats really love to lie by twisting things around, huh ?


Your behavior is vile.


Why you may ask? Because you have never, ever applied any standard to any of broadwayjoe's comments.

It's just the other side that is wrong, right? So you support the use of sexual slurs to describe the Tea Party Movement - and the false charges of racism.


I suppose you also support broadwayjoe LASHING OUT HIS PERSONAL RACIAL HATRED on a daily basis on this blog.

Where do the false charges of racism stop?


And the smear goes to EVERY individual, regardless of any evidence. It is the very DEFINITION OF PREJUDICE - the judging of a group of people befor you know them.

This is exactly what broadwayjoe does here everyday - BASED ON THE COLOR OF THEIR WHITE SKIN.


So, your comments mean you support this.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Fairlington Blade


You have got to be kidding - all broadwayjoe does is racial baiting.

You democrats really love to lie by twisting things around, huh ?


Your behavior is vile.


Why you may ask? Because you have never, ever applied any standard to any of broadwayjoe's comments.

It's just the other side that is wrong, right? So you support the use of sexual slurs to describe the Tea Party Movement - and the false charges of racism.


I suppose you also support broadwayjoe LASHING OUT HIS PERSONAL RACIAL HATRED on a daily basis on this blog.

Where do the false charges of racism stop?


And the smear goes to EVERY individual, regardless of any evidence. It is the very DEFINITION OF PREJUDICE - the judging of a group of people befor you know them.

This is exactly what broadwayjoe does here everyday - BASED ON THE COLOR OF THEIR WHITE SKIN.


So, your comments mean you suppor this.

.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Fake 37, do me a favor. Look in the mirror and say "Candyman" three times. Then wait awhile. Be patient.
_____________

The baggers have been called out by practically everyone for their racism including but not limited to journalists E.J. Dionne, Joan Walsh, Frank Rich, Eugene Robinson, Colbert King, and...well why go on. 37, tell the baggers to put their weapons down and fold up their white sheets (with eyeholes) and confederate flags. They have been exposed. Sorry.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 19, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

@Joe - Interesting numbers, though I'd like to see a comparison against the populace as a whole. My reading is that the TP'ers are the Republican base, stripped of the moral majority pretensions.

Incidentally, I applaud you for not rising to 37th's bait. That creature should simply be ignored.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 19, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


What fuels your anger toward the Tea Pary Movement? Clearly they have done everything posible to avoid what you are talking about.

They are protesting the MASSIVE GOVERNMENT SPENDING - AND THE LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN HISTORY.

Surely they have a First Amendment Right to protest.


And what the anti-war democrats said about Bush was far worse in those protests - so you really have nothing to stand on.

You must have a personal anger against white people - there must be something in your personal experience. Was it that white women rejected you ??? Is that what this is all about??


Hearing you make sexual slurs on this blog for months - you are obsessed with sex and sexual positions.

So what is it? Why do you hate white people so much ???

Please tell us.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Odd there's no Fix discussion of the recent University of Washington poll/study that indicates that baggers' anger is strongly fueled by their racism.

"Among whites who approved [of the baggers], 35 percent said they believe blacks to be hardworking, 45 percent said they believe them intelligent and 41 percent said they believe them trustworthy.

Whites who disapprove of President Barack Obama, the survey found, are 55 percent more likely to support the tea party than those who say they approve of him.

"Are we in a post-racial society? Our survey indicates a resounding no,"Parker said."

Even the baggers' professed opposition to big government has a bigoted motivation.

"Indeed, strong support for the tea party movement results in a 45 percent decline in support for health care reform compared with those who oppose the tea party. "While it's clear that the tea party in one sense is about limited government, it's also clear from the data that people who want limited government don't want certain services for certain kinds of people. Those services include health care," Parker said."

See, the baggers don't want "certain people" to receive the government benefits. Message received, baggers. Keep those white sheets laundered.

http://uwnews.washington.edu/ni/article.asp?articleID=56877

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 19, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

It seems that those whose party is not in the White House are the biggest complainers, e.g. the listing and re-listing of the President's campaign contributors (hint: at least some of those folks contributed to Senator McCain's presidential campaign as well). The Republicans are the louder of the two parties in this endeavor. However, no matter who's in charge, the nation is ungovernable because of the Senate's 60 vote filibuster rule and both parties' eagerness to use it at the drop of a hat. Change will happen incrementally. Big change won't happen unless there's a disaster. Each party has been guilty of overreaching when they've had the majority, but over the last decade in particular, bipartisanship has become a scarlet letter on any member who dare try it. In turn, they've afflicted the public with the same disease. Partisans expect "their way" (e.g., the public option), not anything less (e.g., the watered-down result). They fill pages like these with their tales of woe, of being betrayed by their elected leaders who, supposedly, represent us, i.e. representative democracy, and have access to a whole lot more information on the subject than we have. Seldom do we ourselves run for office, but complain at length about those who do. These folks ask for our money and time to support them, but few do, leaving them susceptible to the big-moneyed interests. Then we complain about their funding. In reality, the enemy is us, and our system is a pawn of those with money.

Posted by: abcs86 | April 19, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

All you lefties can doubt the truthfulness of Pew Research, but the fact is Pew is a neutral, non-partisan research firm that specializes in surveying the media, but is a strong ally of the truth. I doubt other polls that make money from sponsors, etc., but I believe Pew. People are upset with anyone in Washington and that does not look too positive for incumbents -- Republicans and Democrats. So Republicans better listen to their complaints -- too much spending, too many deficits and too many taxes now and on the horizon. I'm with them. Pay attention, Republicans and Democrats. If you've been in DC for awhile, you might want to get your resume up to date and look for gainful employment elsewhere.

Posted by: RonKH | April 19, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"'People' 'dislike' government"?

A better interpretation of this reaction might be to recognize it as a subset of "cognitive dissonance", a psychological conundrum ("conundrum": a riddle; anything that puzzles). Colloquially defined, cognitive dissonance is your typical conservative Republican's political attitude: lower taxes and more government services -- a disconnect with reality. "People say one thing, do another while thinking a third" is another way to illustrate it. More formally defined, to be cognitively dissonant is to hold two contradictory ideas simultaneously (a bit like beating your wife while thinking you love her).

"Government" is a perfect target for this kind of illogical behavior. Why? Because it exists in most people's universe as an abstraction bordering on an enigma. When government becomes real, it's usually takes the form of an unpleasant surprise. On April 15, the day I must file and pay my taxes, I feel less enamored with it, the concept (of government), because the forms are such a pain and I can't help thinking "imagine what I could do with all that money ....". But just a week earlier, after receiving a phone call from a states' attorney informing me that he is initiating a criminal investigation against a con artist I know, I felt far more enamored with it. Why? Because I talked to a real person. Because I know a government employee is trying to help solve one of my problem. Because I think my tax money is buying a service that I can't perform myself legally, without running afoul of the system protecting us all (from each other).

In both instances I am mentalizing (yes, the word exists; look it up) my relationship to "government" subjectively, based upon my (mostly emotional) expectations of probable future outcomes.

Posted by: hogsmile | April 19, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Assume the Tea Party is completely out of its collective mind. Even if they are, government doesn't 'guarantee rights' to anyone. Who thinks such bizarre things? The Bill of Rights is an enumeration of RESTRICTIONS on government -- an important distinction which apparently escapes many people. Government doesn't pay for anyone's retirement: the Social Security / Medicare system takes money from people and their employers and (hopefully in the case of the Baby Boomers!) gives it back to them someday -- supporting a massive federal bureaucracy along the way.

I'm not saying those are bad things (Soc Sec - Medicare), but anyone who thinks government is supporting people's retirements is holding the picture upside-down; government doesn't support people -- people support government. The government has zero money that it doesn't take from people. Sometimes that's good, sometimes that's bad. But it's ALWAYS true. Government doesn't 'bestow rights' on people. Government is RESTRAINED from imposing itself on people by way of the first ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution (the Bill of Rights).

Where on Earth has this bassackward thinking come from?

Posted by: srb2 | April 19, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


Here we go again with the FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM.


This is NOT what the promises of Post-racial American was supposed to bring.

YET THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO PREFER TO CONSTANTLY RAMP UP THE RACIAL ATMOSPHERE

What is this all about?

Are you stil upset that white women rejected your desire for interracial sex? Is that what this is all about?

It is pretty easy to cast away with logic just about everything you have said.


And you are obsessed with sexual slurs.


So it must be based on your personal experiences being rejected for interracial sex with white women.


Is that right?

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Chris raises the issue and the comments here speak for themselves. Most people don't see who is behind the vicious anti-government messages...corporations!!

Corporations supporting the Tea Party and GOP agenda. Did you see the discovery of these facts last week on any news station other than MSNBC? They want to divide us as a nation. They stir anger and hate for gays, blacks, immigrants, poor, jobless, homeless (many broken soldiers), and we let them do it. These corporate shills are the same folks the U.S. Supreme Court gave the green light to to raise money for political campaigning. They're political shills.

Where does Fox News get the right to openly raise campaign funding for GOP candidates? The FCC needs to take action here. Fine them or take them off the air. It's illegal to do what they are doing.

Since the election of George W. and Cheney the system has seen a downhill slide to where we are today. They supported deregulation of the banking industry. You see where that got us. They got us into an illegal war and twist the facts so folks don't know fact from fiction. And now they want to blame the Dems and Obama!! It's crazy. They stir the hate in this country. Frankly, it should be toned down or I fear more acts of domestic terrorism. Is that what they want? So why fight al Qadea? We are destroying ourselves. In truth, Obama was elected by the people. He has given the country back. Wake up folks! There's free speech and then there's outright terrorism. You wouldn't be allowed to show up like these folks in D.C. are under Bush/Cheney. You were put on a "Terrorist watch list" just checking out a book from the library, being part of the Quaker religion. I hope folks see these folks control the majority of the news media. Surprise folks, it's not the "Liberal media" you should fear.

The Bush/Cheney folks placed corporate folks in high positions in agencies that should have been watchdogs for those agencies including the FCC. The anger from the years of Bush/Cheney was there but you couldn't see it on TV or express it openly. MILLIONS marched and MILLIONS more opposed the war but you never saw it. Bush/Cheney and outspoken GOP congressional members blocked and destroyed the rights of those Americans to protest. Does anyone remember that no protests could be done anywhere near the white house or Capital? You should be thanking Obama for opening up the rights to protest and being more transparent. Too bad the Right wants to spew hate and lies when we should be coming together. They are the PARTY OF "NO."

BTW, do any of you remember Sarah Palin speaking out to the Tea Party members to "Pick a party!" Now they are paying her MILLIONS to speak at them!!

Posted by: Justice4all5 | April 19, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

By now, this is a very tired tune. Every time Republicans are out of power they play the "bad government" card. They pay for, finance, and organize anti-government sentiment. Protests seem to be grassroots widespread movements. They are not. Hundreds or thousands of "beered-up" loons yelling racist epithets and anti-government slogans don't speak for 230M other Americans. But, the videos can lead to hasty conclusions, like there is majority opposition to President Obama or to health care reform.

Of course, there are millions of people that are upset. GOVERNMENT-GW Bush's administration has let them down. Government is not protecting the interests of people. But, that is a predictable consequence of electing Republicans. They always gorge themselves at the public's expense.

Conservatism's loyalty is to maintain the "system," the general well-being of citizens is secondary. The powerful elite are the "system." That is why conservative politicians across the country have been shifting more and more of the burden of this economics crisis on the backs of the middle-class by giving themselves tax cuts and other government benefits. The middle-class suffers and the poor--well, in this economic climate they are without hope.

There is no problem with President Obama being too far left. He hasn't nationalized failed private businesses. He hasn't even let them fail. He has been working to find capitalist solutions to the failed economy. In my opinion that not socialistic, that being too far right.

The government's primary role should be to provide security to people, including economic security. Nothing in the Constitution says the interests of the rich and private corporations come first. The people want work; they want greater economic stability. Private enterprise provides nothing that government can't do as well or better. We should not have given failed private corporations money. Both Bush and Obama were wrong. Government exceeds it's lawful role when it places the wants of the rich few over the needs of the many. We wasted billions on failed businesses that slowed down and fired employees, including banks and Wall Street firms. Those businesses could have been nationalized and Americans could still be working. Government run banks would be lending to middle and small businesses to create new jobs.

Posted by: Reesh | April 19, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

"...what can be expected from an overmedicated population?"

That lady in the picture needs to get back on her medication.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 19, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

All you lefties can doubt the truthfulness of Pew Research, but the fact is Pew is a neutral, non-partisan research firm that specializes in surveying the media, but is a strong ally of the truth. I doubt other polls that make money from sponsors, etc., but I believe Pew. People are upset with anyone in Washington and that does not look too positive for incumbents -- Republicans and Democrats. So Republicans better listen to their complaints -- too much spending, too many deficits and too many taxes now and on the horizon. I'm with them. Pay attention, Republicans and Democrats. If you've been in DC for awhile, you might want to get your resume up to date and look for gainful employment elsewhere.

Posted by: RonKH | April 19, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

The anger is not about the government. If it were the Bush Patriot Act and the Bush illegal spying on American's would have been gone long ago. The anger is about losing the last election to a blackman.

The Dems though lost their base as Obama refused to fight. Caving into the republicans is not the way to go.

I wonder what it will be like in January 2011 running the country on hate?

Posted by: Maddogg | April 19, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Domestically, Obama is a weak President. He bailed out the big banks and left home owners in a hole. He passed health care reform, but gave the health insurance a bonanza. He has done next to nothing on unemployment and companies continue to ship jobs out.

Most of the anger out in the country is about a blackman in the White House and about losing the last election.

If the anger were about the government the Patriot Act and illegal spying started by Bush would have been history long ago. So the anger is not about the government.

Problem for the Dems is they lost their base as Obama did not fight for it. I hope he has learned that caving into the Republicans is not the way to go.

Posted by: Maddogg | April 19, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

The true irony is that Charlietuna used Google to get that info. He's apparently unaware that corporations are forbidden to make direct contributions to candidates. Well, at least they were until the recent decent by the Bushie Supremes.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 19, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

"Bush must have really been busy to have run the deficit up so high with the health reform ac, bail outs etc.
Posted by: vageorge"
----
You're absolutely right: MedicareD in '05 unfunded to the tune of $700b

Bush/Paulson bail out of the banks in '08, $700b and counting?

Posted by: JRM2 | April 19, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Chris raises the issue and the comments here speak for themselves. Most people don't see who is behind the vicious anti-government messages...corporations!! Corporations supporting the Tea Party and GOP agenda. They want to divide us as a nation. They stir anger and hate for gays, blacks, immigrants, poor, jobless, homeless (many broken soldiers), and we let them do it. These corporate shills are the same folks the U.S. Supreme Court gave the green light to to raise money for political campaigning. They're political shills. Where does Fox News get the right to openly raise campaign funding for GOP candidates? Since the election of George W. and Cheney the system has seen a downhill slide to where we are today. They supported deregulation of the banking industry. You see where that got us. They got us into a war and twist the facts so folks don't know fact from fiction. And now they want to blame the Dems and Obama!! It's crazy. They stir the hate in this country. Frankly, it should be toned down or I fear more acts of domestic terrorism. Is that what they want? So why fight al Qadea? We are destroying ourselves. Obama was elected by the people. He has given the country back. Wake up folks! There's free speech and then there's outright terrorism. You wouldn't be allowed to show up like these folks in D.C. are under Bush/Cheney. You were put on a "Terrorist watch list." I hope folks see these folks control the majority of the news media. Surprise folks, it's not the "Liberal media" you should fear. The Bush/Cheney folks placed corporate folks in high positions in agencies that should have been watchdogs for those agencies including the FCC. The anger from the years of Bush/Cheney was there but you couldn't see it on TV or express it openly. MILLIONS marched and MILLIONS more opposed the war but you never saw it. Bush/Cheney and outspoken GOP congressional members blocked and destroyed the rights of those Americans to protest. Does anyone remember that no protests could be done anywhere near the white house or Capital? You should be thanking Obama for opening up the rights to protest and being more transparent. Too bad the Right wants to spew hate and lies when we should be coming together. They are the PARTY OF "NO." BTW, do any of you remember Sarah Palin speaking out to the Tea Party members to "Pick a party!" Now they are paying her MILLIONS to speak at them!!

Posted by: Justice4all5 | April 19, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty easy to strip away the baggers' two cover issues: taxes and opposition to big government.

BHO lowered THEIR taxes so we are supposed to believe that they are mad about BHO raising taxes on corporations and the super-rich. That doesn't sound very populist. The baggers' anti government theme is equally bogus: virtually all the baggers receive some type of assistance such as Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment compensation, from the same government they profess to hate.

That leaves the REAL reason for their hate. For the answer, check out Tea Bagger President Dale Robertson's misspelled n-word sign or the baggers' spittle on Congressman Cleavers' face.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 19, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

In November, we'll eject one group of rich people whose main goal is self aggrandizement and self enrichment and elect another group of rich people whose main goal is self aggrandizement and self enrichment.

Obama isn't much of a president, neither was bush and whoever we elect in 2012 probably won't be either.

Same obviously holds true for the congress and senate.

Want fun? Do the research and math on how much money they collected from everyone for social security and medicaid and how much of it has been paid out.

They (in very bipartisan fashion) stole the rest..

...and you brain surgeons scream at each other over which is better.

Posted by: deadmanwalking | April 19, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

This is all we need, to change horses in mid-stream. We elected a President who advocated change but left him with too many Democratic & Republican "Old Guard" who were so set in their ways of demanding "pork" for their votes and/or just flat out opposing what the new guy wanted to accomplish, and forgetting about the country's needs in contrast to what they felt they needed to stay in office, that we ended up with a lot of luke warm dishwater legislation. If we want change give our President what he needs (and "No" I am not suggesting we elect him "king", though there are times I feel we would be better off with a "enlightened monarchy" [Not Republican, thank you.])

If there is a Democrat out there who still has his cranium thoroughly imbeded in his rectum, defeat him in the primaries, but, PLEASE, don't jump back into the clutches of the Bush era "NO to everything" Republicans or the elitest "Tea Partiers".

Posted by: curog | April 19, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Wall Street Pirates short-selling, enriching themselves with billions while bilking 401K plans across the country. And the Pirates of Washington DC shepherding the process all the way along. I suspect Bush-Cheney and the Gang of UnPatriots (Wolfowitz, Feith, Rove, Rumsfeld, Rice, Ashcrort, Powell, Greenspan, etc) primarily. But wait... if anyone starts feeling terribly charitable toward the Dems in DC, this item from the NYTimes, Friday, April 16, 2010:

"Succumbing to the politics of fear during the 2008 campaign, Congress seriously diluted the First and Fourth Amendment rights of Americans by changing the 1978 law that governs electronic surveillance."

...and who controlled Congress in 2008? And then there was the voice vote to extend the (un)Patriot Act, put in place by Bush-Cheney... but recently extended by voice vote (voice vote? Outrageous; every piece of legislation Congress passes should have the names of those who voted for and against attached to it), and signed into law by BO -- without a great deal of fanfare.

Meanwhile, back on the Pub side of the aisle... forty-one votes to block whatever they want in the Senate? That's the big item on their agenda? The only thing they can bring to the table to brag about? That they managed, with a minority of senators, to foil the 'big house' on critical legislation? Wow... there's a feather in the cap for 'em... Grand nO Party indeed.

War in Iraq? Bush -- yes; Obama -- yes...
War in Afghanistan? Bush -- yes; Obama -- yes...
Massive-breathtaking-unbelievable annual budgets? Bush -- yes; Obama -- yes
Massive-breathtaking-unbeliebable annual deficits? Bush -- yes; Obama -- yes
Massive-breathtaking-unbelieable running debt? Bush -- yes; Obama -- yes
Tanked economy? Bush -- yes; Obama -- yes
Unguarded borders? Bush -- yes; Obama -- yes
Bassackward, counter-productive recreational drug laws? Bush -- yes; Obama -- yes
Rendering terror suspects to countries known to torture? Bush -- yes; Obama -- yes
Military tribunals instead of open trials for terror suspects? Bush -- yes; Obama -- yes

...people are still arguing this in terms of Dems and Pubs? Dems and Pubs is just a ruse... a device for keeping United States citizens looking the other way while these people gather more power, more money, more ego gratification for themselves.

Posted by: srb2 | April 19, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

what can be expected from an overmedicated population
brainwashed to manifest with ferocity against their own interest?
Opportunist polls masterminded by the usual suspects does not cut the mustard anyways!

Posted by: manittou | April 19, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

This reads like an apologia for the tea baggers without saying so.

Seriously, a poll about folks distrusting government is kinda meaningless. Something like a poll revealing kids don't like spinach. To extrapolate from such a poll that the results bode well for the GOP seems even more meaningless and baseless...and bizarre.

What's disturbing is the analysis, the anti-government tone, sounds tea bagger-ish, without actually coming out and advocating for those socios. It's the old take-back-the-country-from-"them," i.e., folks that look like BHO.

Fix coworker E.J. Dionne is one of many journalists (see also Frank Rich, Fix coorkers Eugene Robinson and Colbert King, Joan Walsh) who have a much more critical view of this "movement" than the Fox does, to put it mildly.

From Mr. Dionne:

"The Tea Party is nothing new. It represents a relatively small minority of Americans on the right end of politics, and it will not determine the outcome of the 2010 elections.

In fact, both major parties stand to lose if they accept the laughable notion that this media-created protest movement is the voice of true populism. Democrats will spend their time chasing votes they will never win. Republicans will turn their party into an angry and narrow redoubt with no hope of building a durable majority.
....
And the poll suggested something that white Americans are reluctant to discuss: Part of the anger at President Obama among Tea Partiers does appear to be driven by racial concerns.

Saying this invites immediate denunciations from defenders of those who bring guns to rallies, threaten violence to "take our country back," and mouth old slogans about states' rights and the Confederacy. So let's be clear: Opposition to the president is driven by many factors that have nothing to do with race. But race is definitely part of what's going on."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/18/AR2010041802724.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

In other words, they don't hate "government" and, no, they will have no influence on the elections--a reputation of the Fix pro-bagger thesis.

The baggers hate the guy who leads our government, you know, the black president. The baggers are just the old Klan crowd reconstituted under a media friendly name, "tea baggers." Don't think so? Take a look at the heavily armed, beer bellied socios that showed up today at multiple national parks to commemorate the anniversary of McVeigh's Oklahoma handiwork. What lunatics would celebrate McVeigh's terrorism? Huh?

Oddly, both Drudge...and Fix...made no mention of the militia/tea baggers' armed presence in the DC area today, scary rallies that earned a big headline at HuffPo. Oh well.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 19, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

What part of government don't they like? The part that employs them? The part that provides health and drug insurance in their old age? The part that makes owning their home possible through tax breaks? The part that awards their employers subsidies and tax breaks to pay most of their health insurance premiums? The part that guarantees their right to assemble, speak out and participate in any religion? The part that guarantees all citizens a fair trial and due process? They must be speaking of the government that denies them rights and sends them or their children off to pointless wars to be killed and mangled. I don't like that government either, but it left power in January 2009.

Posted by: fudador | April 19, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

what can be expected from an overmedicated population
brainwashed to attack all forms of progress after being duped to loose their own homes? Opportunist polls do not cut the mustard anyways!

Posted by: manittou | April 19, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

@ blosmurph: Not to mention the ratings agencies that gave these toxic securities triple-A ratings.

Posted by: JRM2 | April 19, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Let's us all hope that the loonies continue down their path of denial that Americans have total and complete DISGUST AND REVULSION WITH THE D-CRAT SOCIALIST POLICIES, THEIR ACTIONS, THEIR PROGRAMS, THEIR SLEAZY, SLIMY AMERICA-HATING LEADERS (CRAZY PELOSI, DIRTY HARRY and THEIR TELEPROMPTER-READING FIGUREHEAD.), THEIR RECKLESS SPENDING, THEIR TOTAL DISREGARD AND CONTEMPT FOR THE VIEWS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, AND ON, AND ON, AND ON.

When the d-crat socialists are thrown out of power in Nov 2010 (and the rest in Nov 2012) all REAL Americans will work together to correct the horrific damage done to our economy and society by these lunatic-left extremists.

Posted by: TeaPartyPatriot | April 19, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

what can be expected from an overmedicated population
brainwashed to attack all forms of progress and duped to loose their own homes?

Posted by: manittou | April 19, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

This is only about bulling thier cause. They have really pushed the envelop-to come from under thier white sheets with guns strapped to kill the first non-white who cross them. Republican extremist are stirred up by GOP leaders, and personalities with thier lies about govt take over,socialism, death panels, govt funded abortion, taking government back? They stirred up anger from the fear of the misinformed and uneducated followers.

Posted by: Vonnie932 | April 19, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Teabaggers did not vote for President Obama and congressional Democrats, so who cares what they have to say.

Posted by: truth1 | April 19, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

..."Well American's don't pay attention! It does matter "YOU ARE CORRECT SIR! This is the second time today I have wrote upon this issue! "WE MATTER, AMERICA MATTERS, "TIME IS SHORT, GOODNESS IS THE ONLY INVESTMENT THAT NEVER FAILS." ---Henry David Thoreau

"The key to change..."The Great Sociologist Dr. Emily Durkhime once said, "IS TO SPEAK UP AND SPEAK OUT, "AGAINST PUBLIC MADNESS, "AND NOT BE AFRAID." ---Durkhime

"That why I vote, that's why I write, and thats why I read the "GREAT WASHINGTON POST!

..."IT MATTERS!

...Why do you think Andy Warhol once said,

..."They always say time Changes Things, "BUT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO CHANGE THEM YOURSELF." ---Warhol

Sincerely, Tommy Birchfield, Voter/Vet USAF
Graduate Student, Masters Program,
Professional Studies,
East Tennessee State University/Class/2010

Posted by: ztcb41 | April 19, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Here's the problem. Say the voters "throw the bums out." Both parties take a hit, more Democrats than Republicans, whatever. There is no evidence that exists that shows that voters then elect candidates who are measurably DIFFERENT OR BETTER than their predecessors. People vote for the same kind of representatives - who they think best represents their interests - time after time. For a while, the view of Congress improves, then it deteriorates.

In the last general election, a whole bunch of people who represented the white privilege power structure, including Bush, left office. Now the people who voted for them and lost are "angry." They "don't trust government" and want to throw the bums out. Voters for the winners, including Obama, are hoping for the best and for change, and prefer the status quo.

So it goes. Democracy is the worst form of government in the world, except for all the others, right?

Posted by: dudh | April 19, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh....and boycott Goldman Sachs? Oh,you are killin' us Charlie!!! Too funny. If you w3ant to get mad at something, get mad at unregulated hedge fund managers who hand-picked the worst mortgages, bundled'em up and sold them to your pension fund or 401k manager...all the while betting the turkey would fail in a few months. You got to pay them twice: once when you lost your investment and twice when you bailed them out. OOps...three times when you bailed out the insurance company that insured Goldman's against their "loss" and then went begging to the taxpayer when they were about to go under. That doesn't make you mad? Well, then how about Mitch McConnell who's saying "Hell, no" to regulating these shysters. Really...Tuna....what DOES make you mad...you can't bring your gun to school at your kid's parent-teacher conference? Sheeeeesh.

Posted by: blosmurph | April 19, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

We dislike BIG Government!!

WeRefuse.com

Tell your state legislators and governor's that you refuse to recognize the Unconstitutional national health care law. Tell them that you will not be forced by the federal government to buy a good or service from a company. You are not a slave to the government or to any other American. Tell them that you will not be strong-armed by the Federal Government and that your State must nullify the forced national health care mandate.

Sign the petition to your state legislators now.

Tell everyone you know to join us as We REFUSE!

http://www.werefuse.com/

Posted by: AJAX2
==========================================================
The IRS will be coming for you when you don't pay the tax. Insurance gets a tax waiver, you don't have to buy anything.

Posted by: jameschirico | April 19, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

"Throw the bums out" and then you get a new bunch of politicians who will do the same things, but with less experience as to how to do them LOL

Posted by: js_edit | April 19, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

"...too-well-d ressed black guy!"

Don't leave out the part about him liking basketball.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 19, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I know of someone who was counting on a job with the 2010 census in maryland. The person ahs a college degree and passed the test with a high mark.

that person did not get that job even though qualified. Sounds like a small thing but it is not.

demanding taxpayers with no paycheck pay for the paycheck of others, many unqualifed and many illegals was the biggest mistake this administration and this congress could have made.

Most americans know full well that it is past time for a clean sweep of Congress and that will shutdown the administration.

Posted by: JohnAdams1 | April 19, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I'd have a lot more respect for these Teabagger tools (the Republican base) and their constant edging towards secession or civil war or whatnot if even a single damn one of them could clearly elucidate what this Big Scary New Anti-States'-Rights Thing is, exactly, that is supposedly so threatening to the stability of the republic that may require armed conflict to prevent. At the very beginning it was an armed defense of slavery. Fifty years ago or so it required calling out the troops because the Feds were proposing that you had to treat black people like people. Now we've got a black president and Oh Mah Gawd!, it's once again time for some gun-toting right wing militia types to protect us from the big, mean possibly-Muslim-possibly-Kenyan-possibly-Hitlerian-socialist-marxist-communist-vegetarian-too-well-d ressed black guy!

You'd have to look under a freaking microscope to find some fundamental domestic policy difference from the Bush years to the Obama years that would actually affect any of the Republican sore losers who are crying about it and waving their guns around, but they're still damn convinced their freedom is at stake. Death panels are coming to... take your sovereignty... by... I don't know, let's say instituting a five percent tax break on solar panels or something. Apparently everything from health insurance regulation to asking questions about the financial industry to not properly supporting the right Afghani opium lords all represent six or seven concurrent right wing fantasy American apocalypses already, so who the hell knows what these right wing zealots consider to be that nebulous bridge-too-far this time that makes them want to take up arms against the Feds and their fellow Americans.

Posted by: DrainYou | April 19, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

481 entries! Jiminey: "Hate" in the headline gathers as much attention as "Palin" in the headline!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 19, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Big kick out of Charlie Tuna's post! As if the numbers he posted had significance. Hell, Caribou Barbie and Glen Beck raise that kind of money in an afternoon at one of their hate-fests. You are a riot, buddy.

Posted by: blosmurph | April 19, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

It is sad that too many adults have the attention span of a child. Only the slow and the bigoted could be ignorant enough to blame Obama for the economic disaster delivered by Bush. The Republicans and the 'tea party' psychos become more exposed by the day. This should be a wake up call for people to not allow a repeat of the Newtzi era of horrors.

Posted by: revbookburn | April 19, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I do not hate my Government. I am not unhappy with it. Is everybody else right and I am wrong? Our economy has always been boom and bust. The problem is, our leaders only think and plan from one election cycle to the next and there is no long range planning. That criticism aside, I am still an American and believe that this is the greatest country in the world. Unfortunately for some, the American dream that was once fueled by faith and hope has been replaced by the American nightmare, fueled by fear and hate. That is their fault, not the Governments'.

Posted by: mawheelz | April 19, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS

BOYCOTT THEM

University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835

Posted by: charlietuna666 | April 19, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse


charlietuna666
Hey! you left me out!
miller123 ............$100.00

Posted by: MILLER123 | April 19, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS

BOYCOTT THEM

University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835

Posted by: charlietuna666 | April 19, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse


charlietuna666
Hey! you left me out!
miller123 ............$100.00

Posted by: MILLER123 | April 19, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS

BOYCOTT THEM

University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835

Posted by: charlietuna666 | April 19, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse


charlietuna666
Hey! you left me out!
miller123 ............$100.00

Posted by: MILLER123 | April 19, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS

BOYCOTT THEM

University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835

Posted by: charlietuna666 | April 19, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse


charlietuna666
Hey! you left me out!
miller123 ............$100.00

Posted by: MILLER123 | April 19, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS

BOYCOTT THEM

University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835

Posted by: charlietuna666 | April 19, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse


charlietuna666
Hey! you left me out!
miller123 ............$100.00

Posted by: MILLER123 | April 19, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

That lady in the picture needs a beer.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 19, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

if bama backs some one i am against them . i am a demo , but will not vote for them this yr , 4 more yrs, and they will destroy the US more than they have already . if we still want the US we better vote most of the democraps out . there are just a few that are for the people but most are just for self and bama

Posted by: mahye1935 | April 19, 2010 6:23 PM
-----------------------------------
Bwahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Another former Democrat? Right.

Tip to trolls: use of deocraps gives you away. Duh.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Tell big government we can build our own highways. Tell big government we don't need help when natural disasters, we can take care of ourselves. Tell our big government we would rather die homeless and with no shelter and no government medicare. Tell big government we don't need US Armed Services protecting us. We have our local militia to protect us from ourselves and foreign terrorist. The government is not perfect but neither are you. You people wouldn't know what to do with yourselves without the Federal govt.

Posted by: MILLER123 | April 19, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

"...lots of food and beer and wine..."

mmmmmm, beeeer.


Posted by: shrink2 | April 19, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS

BOYCOTT THEM

University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835

Posted by: charlietuna666 | April 19, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

if bama backs some one i am against them . i am a demo , but will not vote for them this yr , 4 more yrs, and they will destroy the US more than they have already . if we still want the US we better vote most of the democraps out . there are just a few that are for the people but most are just for self and bama

Posted by: mahye1935 | April 19, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

People feel powerless, and, by its nature, the government represents power. It has grown larger and more powerful while poeple feel the have grown less powerful with less control over their daily lives. They feel the government takes too much and gives to little; that it does not reflect their wants and needs.

There will be a reckoning but I fear some demagogue will rise. History is replete with examples. We should all be very wary of anyone telling us they have all the answers and appealing to our emotions....

Nature abhors a vacuum and even with all the founders did to try to limit and restrain government oppression while empowering human creativity and intiative, government has found a way to push its borders ever outward. A smaller national government, one with a limited, clear and clean charter should be reinstituted. Neither major political party, with their wills to power, are capable of delivering such a government. We can only hope a hero, on the order of Washington or Lincoln, is still capable today. I fear not as long as we all think only of what government can give us....

Posted by: lovinliberty | April 19, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

curious who these freeloaders are: the 50 million on SS or the millions of VETS who use our VA facilities and Tricare? Which one are
you trying to insult as freeloaders?

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 19, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I cannot wait for election night in November. Will throw a major cookout with lots of food and beer and wine and have many of my friends over to watch the election returns. It will be so much fun to see so many of these incumbents -- mostly Democrats -- defeated. This will be absolutely wonderful. Can't wait.

Posted by: Warro | April 19, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't trust a single Republican in the House or Senate. I seldom trust Joe Lie-berman. I am very satisfied with the Democrats and their work to get health care reform, but they did not go far enough, there should be a public option at least, or a single payer plan at best. Republicans speak in sound bites that are easy for the dupes to follow. Democrats make the mistake of trying to explain things logically. In post Reagan America, there are not enough people with attention spans to absorb logical explanations. Democrats should hit the repugnants where it hurts, in the sound bites. Speak simply and the simple will understand.
Woebegon has pinpointed a major problem. The news media is too into sensationalism and not enough into news and reporting it. David Gregory is an excellent example of a news man who lets the propagandists spread their garbage without challenge. All of the news media is guilty of over reporting about Tiger Woods, Larry King and others who are in the public eye. They also give too much media time to a splinter group of Republicans who are passing themselves off as "grass roots movement, the Tea Party. I would rather hear fingernails scraping on a black board than to hear Sara Palin screaming in screechy voice, “Do you luv your freedom?” Tea bagger complaints have nothing to do with reality, but they get more airtime than their tiny numbers deserve. Did you hear? Tea Party members are highly educated. That was reported on the news this weekend, but very recently the Quinnipiac poll reported just the opposite to be true. What a load of horse droppings!

Posted by: rbeigher | April 19, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

These dummies have totally missed the corporate freeloaders who have sr_wed them to the wall and who are continuing to do so!

Posted by: aeaustin | April 19, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I presume that you understand that your employer is required to take FICA out of your paycheck and what the 1829 proclamation of Nullification by John Calhoun was all about?
right?

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 19, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Liberal freeloaders don't like government because their wants exceed supply. The rest of America doesn't like government because it is currently being run by a bunch of corrupt Liberal freeloaders!

Posted by: 2009frank | April 19, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

'Dislike Government' - We dislike BIG Government!!

WeRefuse.com

Tell your state legislators and governor's that you refuse to recognize the Unconstitutional national health care law. Tell them that you will not be forced by the federal government to buy a good or service from a company. You are not a slave to the government or to any other American. Tell them that you will not be strong-armed by the Federal Government and that your State must nullify the forced national health care mandate.

Sign the petition to your state legislators now.

Tell everyone you know to join us as We REFUSE!

http://www.werefuse.com/

Posted by: AJAX2 | April 19, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I challenge you to show where anyone has ever said that deficits are good or I have ever called you a racist. Naive/Uninformed but not a racist. I was quite happy to see Texas have a $1 billion dollar Rainy Day Fund and the $100 billion 2000 surplus, both squandered under GOP leadership.

As for blaming POTUS Bush, these were my generous words sir that you did not read:

"it has zero to do with POTUS Bush.
It has 100% to do with GOP HYPOCRISY"
not sure how much clearer I could have been but its hard to respond to your JAKE LOGIC.

now since you KNEW google and Ibm were heading south please tell us oh great one what will happen with Apple Stock after their earnings later this week. Is it time for a put spread?

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 19, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

We dislike BIG Government!!

WeRefuse.com

Tell your state legislators and governor's that you refuse to recognize the Unconstitutional national health care law. Tell them that you will not be forced by the federal government to buy a good or service from a company. You are not a slave to the government or to any other American. Tell them that you will not be strong-armed by the Federal Government and that your State must nullify the forced national health care mandate.

Sign the petition to your state legislators now.

Tell everyone you know to join us as We REFUSE!

http://www.werefuse.com/

Posted by: AJAX2 | April 19, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

We dislike BIG Government!!

WeRefuse.com

Tell your state legislators and governor's that you refuse to recognize the Unconstitutional national health care law. Tell them that you will not be forced by the federal government to buy a good or service from a company. You are not a slave to the government or to any other American. Tell them that you will not be strong-armed by the Federal Government and that your State must nullify the forced national health care mandate.

Sign the petition to your state legislators now.

Tell everyone you know to join us as We REFUSE!

http://www.werefuse.com/

Posted by: AJAX2 | April 19, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

WeRefuse.com

Tell your state legislators and governor's that you refuse to recognize the Unconstitutional national health care law. Tell them that you will not be forced by the federal government to buy a good or service from a company. You are not a slave to the government or to any other American. Tell them that you will not be strong-armed by the Federal Government and that your State must nullify the forced national health care mandate.

Sign the petition to your state legislators now.

Tell everyone you know to join us as We REFUSE!

http://www.werefuse.com/

Posted by: AJAX2 | April 19, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

They're mad because its easy to go that way when you don't understand how things work. Take a look at this for instance.

If this was done by another network, Fox would have been critical of them. Where are the true journalist now who will be critical of fox?

FOX NEWS WORKS WITH THE COMMUNIST to promote their message. Now News Corp and Rurpert Murdock is a thorn in the sign of a United America.

"...The News Corporation’s outreach intensified. When Mr. Murdoch learned that China Central Television, known as CCTV, was struggling to develop a news Web site, he dispatched a team from Fox News to help design and operate one..." Another News Corporation team brought People’s Daily, the mouthpiece of the Communist Party, online.
Now what do you have to say angry tea partiers?

June 26, 2007
Murdoch’s Dealings in China: It’s Business, and It’s Personal
By JOSEPH KAHN
BEIJING, June 25

Posted by: MILLER123 | April 19, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

They're mad because its easy to go that way when you don't understand how things work. Take a look at this for instance.

If this was done by another network, Fox would have been critical of them. Where are the true journalist now who will be critical of fox?

FOX NEWS WORKS WITH THE COMMUNIST to promote their message. Now News Corp and Rurpert Murdock is a thorn in the sign of a United America.

"...The News Corporation’s outreach intensified. When Mr. Murdoch learned that China Central Television, known as CCTV, was struggling to develop a news Web site, he dispatched a team from Fox News to help design and operate one..." Another News Corporation team brought People’s Daily, the mouthpiece of the Communist Party, online.
Now what do you have to say angry tea partiers?

June 26, 2007
Murdoch’s Dealings in China: It’s Business, and It’s Personal
By JOSEPH KAHN
BEIJING, June 25

Posted by: MILLER123 | April 19, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

They're mad because its easy to go that way when you don't understand how things work. Take a look at this for instance.

If this was done by another network, Fox would have been critical of them. Where are the true journalist now who will be critical of fox?

FOX NEWS WORKS WITH THE COMMUNIST to promote their message. Now News Corp and Rurpert Murdock is a thorn in the sign of a United America.

"...The News Corporation’s outreach intensified. When Mr. Murdoch learned that China Central Television, known as CCTV, was struggling to develop a news Web site, he dispatched a team from Fox News to help design and operate one..." Another News Corporation team brought People’s Daily, the mouthpiece of the Communist Party, online.
Now what do you have to say tea partiers?

June 26, 2007
Murdoch’s Dealings in China: It’s Business, and It’s Personal
By JOSEPH KAHN
BEIJING, June 25

Posted by: MILLER123 | April 19, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

The unrebutted propaganda pounded 3 hours a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year, year after year, by Rush Limbaugh, the rants of the rest of the right-wing motley media crew and the highly partisan, right-wing slant of Fox News, combined with the timidity of the corporate mainstream media certainly don't help build respect for government.

Posted by: ejs2 | April 19, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

As usual, Republicans (Teabaggers) are full of crap and hypocrisy.


They want an authoritarian leader who bucks the constitution (Bush Jr), but cry that they are oppressed when a Democrat is in office.

How many times did Republican congressmen and pundits complain that Bush Jr did not get enough respect, and how willing are they to show Pres Obama none?

Republicans think we should have a conservative dictator, and they would be perfectly happy to sacrifice their rights to get it.

This is why the Wingnutters had no problems with the messed up vote counting in Florida in 2000. They didn't care that it wasn't a democratic process.


The Wall St white bread Republicans. The wealthy elitists don't want to share there inherited and stolen wealth. The white bread Republicans want to preserve white privilege. They want a Republican monarchy with special privileges only for themselves.

Posted by: DrainYou | April 19, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

What's to like? Other than the military, the government simply is incapable of performing when the chips are down. Regulations are written and either ignored or so poorly written in the first place that gaping loopholes leave them ineffective.

Yet, every time there is a problem, government puts on a show, politicians preen and posture, hearings are held, more legislation is passed and then its back to business as usual.

The bonehead partisans only make matters worse by blaming each other, which only serves to distract us from the root cause; which, in most cases, is a self-serving bureaucracy which will do anything to avoid creating a controversy.

The Federal workforce is expected to grow by 153,000 people this year - to what meaningful end? I'll tell you - NOTHING MEANINGFUL.

Posted by: magellan1 | April 19, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tncdel | April 19, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Q - What sort of person drives their Buick, or more likely their $60,000.00 pickup truck, with a Confederate flag decal, and a "Bush/Cheney" bumper sticker, to a Tea Party rally?

A - A hypocrite.

Posted by: seattle_wa | April 19, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I take it from the acceleration of comments that someone linked over here a few hours ago. Ah, well. Toodles, folks.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 19, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Look at this blog - it is completely out of control - and it is the minorities and the radical women sniping at the white males.
--------------------------------------
vageorge thinks that I, 12BarBlues, can see everything and know everything. Nay, nay, it is 37th&OSt who knows that it is minorities and women on this blog who are sniping at white males. That is one damn GOOD crystal ball, 37th.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

So why does this all matter for 2010 ?

Posted by: jralger | April 19, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

IBM and GOOGLE down on blowout earnings now that doesn't make any sense zouk.

Posted by: leichtman1


there is much to perplex you finance whiz.

the best is that deficits are now GOOD. Still can't quite follow that one.

Oh wait, the cloud is lifting. BUSH DID IT. I should have known. I think my racism is causing me problems in comprehension.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

An entitlement happy - tax phobic public kinda gets what they deserve. A bunch of pandering politicians. The sad truth is that our pitiful government is truly representative of the American people. I believe Obama won under the message that "Yes we can" spend forever and do it by only taxing a few nasty rich people.

Posted by: marknelso | April 19, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

It seems as though there has been an ebb and flow of liberals and conservatives in office. The general public seems to be outraged by the complete lack of care for the citizens of this nation.

Posted by: zwriter25 | April 19, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I am sick of both the Democrats and Republicans. The citizenry should overthrow Congress and run all those corrupt spineless fools out of office. I can feel a Civil War a coming. LOL

Posted by: DaddyGraceFishSandwich | April 19, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Chris:

ON the surface this might not appear to be a really good topic, but in fact it goes to the center of the situation we have right now.

I can tell you this clearly: the atmosphere we have right now is EXACTLY WHAT OBAMA DID NOT WANT.

This is Obama's nightmare - a situation in which the white males of this nation are constantly getting sniped at by the left.

Look at this blog - it is completely out of control - and it is the minorities and the radical women sniping at the white males.

NO where in America are slurs tolerated - EXCEPT AGAINST THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT

The democrats have STARTED A RACIAL WAR - they are on a WAR FOOTING AGAINST THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT.

Obama has decided to keep on shooting - shoot - false charges of racism - hint about the verge of "turning violent"

All this OBAMA IS DOING TO GET TO 51% ????

It just seems like it is bound to fail - miserably.

Obama promises a post-racial environment - now he and his people are responsible for a fall into this fighting.


This country has OTHER THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT THAN RE-HASHING COLBERT KING'S ANGER FROM THE 1960S AND GEORGE WALLACE - WHO IS ALL BUT FORGOTTEN.

And that puts it clearly: the blacks want to re-hash Jim Crow.


The country has moved beyond that - but the blacks are still angry.


The economy is what is important.

What is CLEAR is OBAMA WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS -


HE HAS PERSONALLY SET BACK RACE RELATIONS FOR DECADES.


Obama has hurt the chances all all future black candidates - because no one wants to go through these false charges of racism any more.

Obama has sickened the mood of this country.


The country has other things to worry about - the economy and jobs.


Obama is out of touch.

We have to get Obama and the democrats OUT OF OFFICE SO THE IMPORTANT THINGS IN THIS COUNTRY CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF.

OBAMA IS IRRESPONSIBLE.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

People are angry, in part, because there are other people who say things to make them angry for their own agendas. eg. Fox News, Koch Brothers, Heritage Foundation, CATO Institute.

For instance the tax burden on the wealthy is talked about, how they pay a massive percent of the total taxes, depending on whether we look at the top quarter, top ten percent, top one percent, whatever. The reason they pay so much is the disparity of income, more so than the graduated income tax. The bottom half, or quarter who some say pay no taxes, do pay taxes: They pay taxes on much of what they buy, and if they work, they pay the payroll tax. The bottom half or quarter pay a larger part of their income in taxes than do the wealthy if you count sales tax, and other taxation and fees, or more than Obama's $250,000 and up group.

Another set of not so true ideas the people blindly repeat from post above:

People dislike government because:

1. It is slow.
2. It is cumbersome.
3. It is unresponsive.
4. It is dehumanizing.
5. It is an incomprehensible bowl of spaghetti.
6. It is inefficient.
7. It promulgates endless rules, reguoations and guidelines that strangle the human spirit.
8. It is rarely accountable.
9. It lacks a human face.


Anything to get people angry at government, so government can be cut in size, so that the protections it gives the common person go away, and those at the top of the food chain can do as they please, pollute, reduce worker benefits (so we can have jobs), and fire people at will. We need a poll on how much do you trust big corporations to run health care, or anything where your life is at stake. Mark John Hunter - Alpena.

In the end, I think most the angriness is over the standard of living,, a just wage, and whether there should be a just wage.

Posted by: DrMarkJohnHunter | April 19, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

But at least Republicans are good at national defense and war.

Oh...wait a minute...my mistake. 9/11 happened on their watch,

Posted by: wilder5121
Pearl Harbor happened on FDR's watch.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 5:42 PM
-------------------------------------
You're right! F

DR started the war, but it was Truman who ended the war.

Damned inconsiderate of FDR dying the way he did, so he couldn't take credit for winning the war.

Damned inconvenient that Truman was a Democrat, so that the Democrats could take credit for ending the war.

If Truman had kept the hostilities going longer, the Republican Eisenhauer would take credit for ending the war, even though Eisenhauer was general under FDR.

Oh, it's all so confusing.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Yes Bush was a liberal, socialist spender. No doubt about it. Very liberal spender.

Posted by: leapin

======================================

Every Republican is. Can you name one that wasn't?

I've said it before. Yes Democrats tax and spend. Republicans borrow from China and spend even more.

Which is more responsible?

Posted by: maurban |
-------------------------------------------Trick question. As Obama bow rows and spends from China even more.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

once again you try to respond to facts using jake logic that says I will just ignore GOP trillions of unpaid for expenditures b/w 2000 and 2008 with your personal predictions about what will happen in Nov. Its called JAKE LOGIC.
One more time $1.2 trillion in tax cuts; $1 trillion for wars; and $700 billion for Part D,
NONE of which was paid for by the GOP, not even any attempt to pay for it. And your bloviating answer is to hurl insults and use Jake Logic that you know precisely what will happen in Nov even more than Charlie Cook. I won't thrust insults but only say you are once again in denial sir about GOP HYPOCRISY. It is likely that the GOP will have substantial gains in Nov but it is all about unemplyment and what voters sense the trend is. Monthly employment numbers of 300-400,000 and all predictions may be off the table.

IBM and GOOGLE down on blowout earnings now that doesn't make any sense zouk.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 19, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

People are angry, in part, because there are other people who say things to make them angry for their own agendas. eg. Fox News, Koch Brothers, Heritage Foundation, CATO Institute.

For instance the tax burden on the wealthy is talked about, how they pay a massive percent of the total taxes, depending on whether we look at the top quarter, top ten percent, top one percent, whatever. The reason they pay so much is the disparity of income, more so than the graduated income tax. The bottom half, or quarter who some say pay no taxes, do pay taxes: They pay taxes on much of what they buy, and if they work, they pay the payroll tax. The bottom half or quarter pay a more painful part of their income in taxes than do the wealthy, if you count sales tax, and other taxation and fees, or more than Obama's $250,000 and up group. If a person's income is reduced from 20,000 a year to $16,000 a year due to various taxes; it is harder to deal with than dropping from $500,000 a year to $350,000 a year.

Anything to get people angry at government, so government can be cut in size, so that the protections it gives the common person go away, and those at the top of the food chain can do as they please, pollute, reduce worker benefits (so we can have jobs), and fire people at will. We need a poll on how muich do you trust big corporations to run health care, or anything where your life is at stake. Mark John Hunter - Alpena.

In the end I think most of what is argued about is the standard of living, and what a just wage is, or if there should be a just wage.

Posted by: DrMarkJohnHunter | April 19, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Let's examine history accurately:

1860s Liberal weakness leads to war. Repub party created to free the slaves, save the union.

1910s - liberal weakness leads to WW1
1920s - liberal regulation leads to financial collapse
1930s - liberal failed socialist policies extends downtune into decades long depression, liberal weakness leads to WW2

1950s - liberal weakness leads to another war, Repub called in to fix things

1960s - liberal weakness leads to another war. Repub called in to fix things. Repubs pass civil rights over objections of Libs.

1980 - liberal weakness leads to economic collapse and world fecklessness. Repub called in to fix things.

2001 - liberal weakness leads to attacks on homeland. Repub sets things straight.

2010 - liberal weakness allows nukes to proliferate. Liberal finance policies lead to downturn and subsequent long recession

2012 - Libs turned out in landslide election, never to be voted into power again.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

wilder5121


that was a pretty silly posting - especially with Bill Clinton taking responsibility for the deregulation of the derivatives markets.


I guess you see everything through a partisan lens.

You forgot to mention Lincoln and Grant


And you forgot to mention that the Republicans did not want to get into WWI or WWII at all.


and you forgot to mention we have won in Afghanistan and Iraq.

But you forget a great deal of things.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Shrink,

“That is silly, Obama is not going to pay for it, you are. There, that was easy, next question?”

While I do not always agree on all your comments, you are one of the funnier posters.

Posted by: sliowa1 | April 19, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Our current legal system makes it extremely hard for a business to do anything but pursue the interests of the shareholders. To do otherwise is to invite shareholder lawsuits. So big business isn't evil when it is trying to rip people off and puts profits before people. Its just the way our system is set up.

Similarly, the government is set up using a system of checks and balances to prevent excessive abuse of power and corruption. The constitution set up 3, the 4th (the media) was implicitly setup by the 1st amendment.

It has worked pretty well for a long time. People who do not like our system of government are totally free to leave and seek another. One of the freedoms of being American is to choose another way of life if desired.

The role of the two parties is also to provide checks on each other. However, something has changed in the last decade or so which constitutes a real danger to our republic.

This is the growth of lies. Lies are always corrosive, whither in public or private life, but the use of outright falsehood for political manipulation really wasn't viable until media outlets like Fox arrived to provide fact free opinion sources disguised as news.

When Yugoslavia broke up, the political leaders fanned the flames of ethnic differences for crude political purposes. Eventually, it causes a mass dissolution of the country and a staggering cost in human life.

I see Republican's and the tea baggers doing the same thing today. Taxes have been lowered during this administration. Real progress is being made to overcome terrible burdens on our society. This is a fact, not an opinion. Yes the deficits are out of control, like they have been since 2001. Yes Clinton was responsible for the repeat of the Glass-Seagal act that seperated banks from investment houses.

But the growth of outright lying and fabrication of things from whole cloth is new and almost completely Republican originated. Just read the bloggers above and check the facts. Most of what they really believe to be true is just made up crap dished out by their political masters.

Posted by: reussere | April 19, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

But at least Republicans are good at national defense and war.

Oh...wait a minute...my mistake. 9/11 happened on their watch,

Posted by: wilder5121
Pearl Harbor happened on FDR's watch.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the anger is it is misdirected by both Republicans and progressive voters.

Conservatives:
Taxes? Taxes are lower now for most of the entire nation. First time homebuyer? You get an $8000 tax credit. Tea party aficionados, that should be right up your alley!

Sure, there's deficit spending right now -- ANYONE in the White House right would be presiding over deficit spending. It's going to take a little while to correct course. How else could it be right now?

Liberals:
So, Obama hasn't gone hasn't given you single-payer. Weren't you paying attention? How in the world could he do that when what we got -- we just barely got. Afghanistan? He's pursuing the policy he said would. Energy? Climate Change? Environmental Protection? I guarantee you it's going to be a hell of a lot better on energy and environment policy than under the GOP.

That said, progressives, don't shoot yourself in the foot because you're mad you're not getting exactly what you want. You don't vote or you vote third party this fall, guess what? We'll all be hating -- and we'll be looking right square at you. You will have taken from the frying pan right back into the fire, where we were for those Long Eight Torturous Years!

Think about that!

As far as government goes, only two thing need to change right now: The Senate and their parliamentary procedures. No more filibusters! And, regulation of derivatives -- actually they should be outlawed, along with Credit Default Swaps.

As far as people go: Start investing in yourselves instead of Wall Street! You can do it! You have abilities and brains! What's happened to the USA?!

Government of the people, by the people, for the people means it's YOURSELF you need to be unhappy with! Want us to be America The Great again? Take that anger and channel into that good American spirit of innovation and adventure!

Posted by: emax1 | April 19, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Yes Bush was a liberal, socialist spender. No doubt about it. Very liberal spender.

Posted by: leapin

======================================

Every Republican is. Can you name one that wasn't?

I've said it before. Yes Democrats tax and spend. Republicans borrow from China and spend even more.

Which is more responsible?

Posted by: maurban | April 19, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Because they are brain washed by the right-wing Media aka agents of Rich & Big corporations (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Military, Big Banks, etc. aka Wall Street Gang) into this Con Job that:

1- You the People cannot do anything, since this is supposed to be the "Government of the People by the People for the People"
2- Pay about 40% of your income in Taxes and get almost nothing for your Taxes
3- Only the Rich & Big corporations "can do things... and are the solution...." IF we can brain wash you people to believe that the Government of the People cannot do anything... and thus the Con Job is complete.

More here:
http://anoox.com/blog/Real_News.34034

Posted by: RealNews1 | April 19, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

You people really don't know what the term "socialist" means do you? Try looking it up in the dictionary.
The President is privatizing everything in sight, selling off the stakes in the banks that Bush bought, and you keep calling him a socialist. What nonsense. Obama is an 80's Republican. The health care plan was practically written by the GOP in the early 1990's in response to HillaryCare. If this had been passed in '94 you would be taking victory laps.

The fact is that almost our entire national debt is due to Republican spending. $1 trillion unfunded wars, $1.3 trillion unfunded tax cut in 2003, $950 billion dollar Medicare expansion in 05. And now that the deficits are high because we have to pay interest o that debt you blame Obama for it. incredible act of self-deception going on here

Posted by: maurban
------------------------------------------
Yes Bush was a liberal, socialist spender. No doubt about it. Very liberal spender.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

How could anyone possibly trust a government, or any other organization, that allows 40% of the voting members to be Republicans?

Posted by: ronbettger | April 19, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

You people really don't know what the term "socialist" means do you? Try looking it up in the dictionary.
The President is privatizing everything in sight, selling off the stakes in the banks that Bush bought, and you keep calling him a socialist. What nonsense. Obama is an 80's Republican. The health care plan was practically written by the GOP in the early 1990's in response to HillaryCare. If this had been passed in '94 you would be taking victory laps.

The fact is that almost our entire national debt is due to Republican spending. $1 trillion unfunded wars, $1.3 trillion unfunded tax cut in 2003, $950 billion dollar Medicare expansion in 05. And now that the deficits are high because we have to pay interest o that debt you blame Obama for it. incredible act of self-deception going on here

Posted by: maurban | April 19, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

.
.
.

1920's: Republican policies led to The Great Depression.
1980's: Republican policies led to The Great Savings and Loan Disaster.
2000's: Republican policies led to the current Great Recession.

It's clear to everybody now. Republicans have ALWAYS been lousy at running the economy...and Democrats have always been GREAT at cleaning up their messes. As Roosevelt did in the thirties. As Clinton did in the nineties. And as Obama is doing now.

But at least Republicans are good at national defense and war.

Oh...wait a minute...my mistake. 9/11 happened on their watch, they got us into Iraq where we spent eight years and 4,500 dead American soldiers and over one trillion taxpayer dollars taking out IRAN'S worst enemy...and no Republican administration has actually won a war since 1898 (The Spanish-American War).

Never mind. Looks like getting lectured by Republicans on the economy, national defense...or anything else...is like getting lectured on marriage by OJ Simpson.
.
.
.

Posted by: wilder5121 | April 19, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I have not seen much polling on how much the relationship between the government and big business accounts for the loss of faith in government. To me, my loss of faith in government is highly driven by the suspicion that "the fix is in", that government and corporations are colluding together as never before. Simply put, the government is no longer an independent entity. Therefore, it has a permanent conflict of interest where business is concerned. We cannot trust it to regulate. We cannot trust it to set fair standards. We cannot trust it to protect the people's interest.

Posted by: dmarney | April 19, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I'm mad as hell, too, but because Obama is compromising too much and not being as bold as he promised to change America from plutocracy and its stupid, redneck, tea-bag supporters who are totally brain-washed to believe that more business deregulations and more tax cuts will solve American economy - the same factors that brought the Great Recession. These pathetic fools believe that they are being patriotic or American by being stubborn and holding on to their flawed or outdated ideologies with rage.

Posted by: TalkingHead1
------------------------------------------
The Talking Head of today's D bagging, free lunching, neocom statist destructionist party.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

The only way a One World Order will come into being is for there to be a One World money system.
Then you will have the mark of the beast and control. obama seems to be working for that goal

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 5:21 PM
-------------------------------------
Oh, yes, george, the independent Tea Party member.

Who believes:

Obama is born in Kenya
Obama is Muslim
One world order coming soon (or maybe already here)
Mark of the beast coming soon (or maybe already here)

Remember those polls about all those INDEPENDENT Tea Party people?

George is a good example. Real mainstream, isn't he?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I'm mad as hell, too, but because Obama is compromising too much and not being as bold as he promised to change America from plutocracy and its stupid, redneck, tea-bag supporters who are totally brain-washed to believe that more business deregulations and more tax cuts will solve American economy - the same factors that brought the Great Recession. These pathetic fools believe that they are being patriotic or American by being stubborn and holding on to their flawed or outdated ideologies with rage.

Posted by: TalkingHead1
------------------------------------------
The Talking Head of today's D bagging free lunching neocom statist destructionist party.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Finance whiz. I have repeatedly destroyed this lame argument of yours several times. but I will try a new approach.

Consider that the majority of the american electorate is center right as evidenced by conservative presidential choices for decades. Now when congressional Repubs or Presidents step out of line (NCLB, Presciption drug spending, failure to lead on SS, etc) the only punishment necessary is to let the Libs run things for two years. After that terrifying experiment in utter incompetence, the voters are very sorry and willing to forgive any past sins.

We are about to enter the buyers remorse phase for berry, just as we did for Jimmy. then it will be another long stretch of sorrowful and repentent Repubs back in charge. Until the next time.

but that fact that we allowed berry and nancy to even step up is the signal that the Repubs were in the doghouse. you actually think we WANTED those commies running things? It was a punishment for the sins of the Bush years. That is how it's done and that is how it is about to happen to the out of control Libs in Nov.

We are just being kind by giving you losers notice that you should get your resumes together. It is called a tea party. you might want to refer to it as an early warning pinko slip.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me??? Dems in Congress are in trouble because they have been rail-roading their agenda down the throats of the majority in this country. You and the liberal media just fail to present this as fact!!!

Posted by: independent_1 | April 19, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I am long on GS, buying more.

I am very short on Pelosi. A sure bet if there ever was one.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 5:21 PM
----------------------------------
Glad you are making money. Fortune favors the bold. Your prediction for tomorrow: another inside day?

Don't agree with shorting Pelosi. LOL. But that's what's makes a horserace, eh?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

News flash: Taxes have gone down under Obama. Truth

Posted by: maurban | April 19, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

You owe it to your country to listen to more than one or two information sources before you make up your mind about politics and vote. You owe it to your country to not be a hysterical, yelling thug, intoxicated by hatred. You owe it to your country to not wish your President to fail, even if he happens to be from another party than the one you prefer.

Posted by: asoders22 | April 19, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Really?
I am mad at the amount of taxes I have to pay.
I am mad at new entitlements that I believe will raise my taxes.
I am mad at First Lady who says she has never been proud of America in her whole grown life.
I'm mad at a congress passing a bill the majority of america didn't want.
I'm mad at the blame game.
Who really believes the savings on misuse of funds will really pay for the health insurance entitlement? Why not eliminate the fraud first? For gods sake.

Posted by: dfw101 | April 19, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

it has zero to do with POTUS Bush.
It has 100% to do with GOP HYPOCRISY.
For 8 years Rs spent wildly with no plans for cutting programs or offsets, none. And suddenly after 8 years they wake up and discover deficits as though EVERY program they ran up the deficit for b/w 2000 and 2008 was absolutely FREE. How politically convenient of them.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 19, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I am long on GS, buying more.

I am very short on Pelosi. A sure bet if there ever was one.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Bush has been out of office for 1 1/2 years why can't this administration take some of the blame instead of blaming Bush ? Bush must have really been busy to have run the deficit up so high with the health reform ac, bail outs etc. Get a grip folks he didn't do all that. Bush did a lot of things some right some wrong but he was a patriot. He did what he thought was best for America! Has obama? Has obama any credentials? He has instituted the take over of the country's health care. Given the insurance cos. 30+ new policies and allowing them to raise their rates and then later he can get them to lower them just a mite so he will look good. B S The coverage most will recieve will be below the norm. If it was a good deal the congressmen would use it instead of their cadillac coverage.He is taking control of the banking system. Is that for our good ? I doubt it. All this appears to be the One World Order being initiated. I hope not! The only way a One World Order will come into being is for there to be a One World money system.
Then you will have the mark of the beast and control. obama seems to be working for that goal

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Democrats tax and spend.

Republicans borrow and spend.

Which is more responsible?

Posted by: maurban | April 19, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

@comrade,

Did you buy calls on GS? Did you get out at the end of the day?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone really believe that Obama or any of the left wing in Congress really propose that the workers run companies?

No, O wants that power for himself but with union enforcement.


Do you SERIOUSLY expect to be believed if you claim that Obama and the Democrats want the government to restore a failed system?

O and D’s don’t see it as failed so I suppose the answer is yes.


Perhaps this is what the Tea Party movement is all about: the modern world and its problems are exceedingly complex, so complex that they make the average voters head spin.

The modern world is so complex that the Dems see it as disenfranchisement to be able to identify yourself before you vote.

Posted by: dzukijason

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

GS 163.32 +2.62 +1.63%

now that is the kind of GREEN I can get behind.

Care to bet on who is smarter - a wall street shark or a pitiful liberal lawyer?

Looks like the first round of bets are in.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

The fact still stands that we are all wholly to blame for this massive downturn, fueled mostly by the sin of greed. Nothing new there, but since most of our fellow countrymen are unused to this level of discomfort, they are voicing their displeasure about not being able to lavish un unnecessary excesses and demand that something be done so they can return to being generally ignorant and unawares of their surroundings. I have no qualms with this generally, but I do have a concern when they are being made to be a larger revolution than they actually are: a bunch of tired, old, mainstream-minded people who think that they are owed something simply because they exist.

Hello? I exist, too. And so do 6 BILLION other people who aren't afforded HALF the luxuries our POOR and DESTITUTE are afforded in the United States of America. I wish someone would complain to / at me that they think that they are living below their entitled standard of living and they hate paying taxes. I would tell them to ask "What would Jesus do?" and leave it at that. 0 justifications for such childish behavior. How stunning that we ask why our children have so many problems as they grow in private when there are small groups of people who want to display childish behavior are allowed to do so publicly.

We only allow the things we WANT to irk us to do so...

Posted by: thelongblueline | April 19, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

So if Obama was President the last 8 years there would have been no Tea Party protest during that time? Cause the last 8 were just peachy. Not one protest, NONE! not one. You seem to be picking and choosing when you decide to have values. 1/6 of the economy has been run by greed and corrupt CEO'S that let the children of America just die. No coverage no care. Now that's the American way!

Posted by: minco_007 | April 19, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Iraq did need to end and Obama is doing that.
Again where was all the R(faux) outrage about deficit spending b/w 2000 and 2008? Please post the exact location of the TeaPart protests
b/w 2000 and 2008. That's right, Dick Armey Glen Beck and Faux News didn't give them their marching orders to protest Bush spending, so all of the trillions of GOP deficit spending was ALL free for 8 years.
Nothing but 8 years of hypocritical GOP silence.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 19, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Just remember in November when you VOTE ..
Democrats Care!
Republicans Don't!

Posted by: lunetrick | April 19, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

People don't like government because...? They like their social security and Medicare. They like their paved roads and mail delivery. They like their trash pickup and clean water. They like their prescription drugs. They liked their government during the Bush administration, even when he erased a surplus and started two unnecessary wars. So what is it, again, that they don't like about government?

People don't mind the government; they just equate government with entitlement programs, which they mistakenly believe ALL black people receive. The media do nothing to correct this fallacy. What these folks really want is to wipe African Americans off the face of the earth, and then they'll believe in government again.

Posted by: Antoinette3 | April 19, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I see that most of the leftists here have memorized the empty talking points of MSDNC.

what I don't get is that if Bush was so bad at...[ insert complaint ] why is it now 'no problem Mon' now that barry has gotten us into 5[ ].

Is it just because liberals really have no defense of their idiotic socialist policies whatsoever? Oh, except we are all racist, of course.

Deficits were bad, but now that they're worse, it's better. that, my freinds is liberal logic.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

People don't like government because...? They like their social security and Medicare. They like their paved roads and mail delivery. They like their trash pickup and clean water. They like their prescription drugs. They liked their government during the Bush administration, even when he erased a surplus and started two unnecessary wars. So what is it, again, that they don't like about government?

People don't mind the government; they just equate government with entitlement programs, which they mistakenly believe ALL black people receive. The media do nothing to correct this fallacy. What these folks really want is to wipe African Americans off the face of the earth, and then they'll believe in government again.

Posted by: Antoinette3 | April 19, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: altonmj | April 19, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I'm mad as hell, too, but because Obama is compromising too much and not being as bold as he promised to change America from plutocracy and its stupid, redneck, tea-bag supporters who are totally brain-washed to believe that more business deregulations and more tax cuts will solve American economy - the same factors that brought the Great Recession. These pathetic fools believe that they are being patriotic or American by being stubborn and holding on to their flawed or outdated ideologies with rage.

Posted by: TalkingHead1 | April 19, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

The first comment, by drindl, hit the nail on the head. As the economy picks up, and public sees the GOP defend Wall St, things will change.

Posted by: Garak | April 19, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

@shrink2,


Shrink 1, 12Bar 0.

Still long in the market.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Liberals in 2008:

the deficit is awful and the wars need to end. bush is a monster.

Liberals in 2010:

What deficit?

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"WE DIDN'T LIKE IT"-- speak for yourself please.
What millions also didn't like was R obstructionism that blocked expansion of Medicare. Those other angry voices are being shouted down by conservatives. The true anger
is from high unemployment. Thank your R Congressmens' obsessions with deregulating the banks for that(Phil and Wendy Gramm in particular).

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 19, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I think the polls have it right. We've seen government expand to unprecedented proportions. President Obama and his administration quadrupled the deficit and have taken over 1/6 of the private sector - against the public's will. The financial reform will only make it worse for the taxpayers. This administration is impeding the very principle that made this nation great - free market. Free market provides choice and freedom and has made our country evolve into the greatest country over the past 200 years. This is why America is different from Europe or any other country.

Americans - you should be afraid - your freedom is slowly being eaten away by government intrustion. Higher taxes, less competition and less choices overall.
If Americans can't change congress in November, our economy will be severely crippled, our foreign relations a monstrosity and the rights of individual people will continue to deteriorate.

If you're concerned about the little guy - be concerned about Americans' rights. Without them, we're nothing.

Posted by: altonmj | April 19, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Debra Smith writes that the Tea Party movement is all about taking the government "per the Constitution" back from the allegedly communist Obama administration.
Mrs. Smith: Marx and Engels created the concept of communism, therefore their definition is probably the most useful in clearing up definitions.
Communism was originally envisioned to be a state where the workers controlled the means of production. An apparently noble idea at the time given the brutal exploitation of so many workers, but modern economies cannot work without capitalism.
Does anyone really believe that Obama or any of the left wing in Congress really propose that the workers run companies?
They bailed out GM and Chrysler because their failure would have had a ripple effect throughout the economy that would have made this terrible recession even worse. When this recession is over, they will have to stand on their own or face extinction--Democrats understand this no matter what Fox News might say.
Communism then morphed, first under Lenin/Stalin, then again under Mao, into a system where the government would decide who makes what and a what price.
History has shown it was a dreadful experiment.
Do you SERIOUSLY expect to be believed if you claim that Obama and the Democrats want the government to restore a failed system?
Enough of defining communism correctly.
Let us now try to discuss some basics about the Constitution.
Some questions:
Which Constitution are you talking about?
The original one which said that only people who possessed property could vote?
The original one that said slaves were not people and only counted to help determine representation of the South in Congress?
The original one that said that women had no rights other than those conferred upon them by their fathers/husbands?
I presume you are a woman. I presume you cherish your right to vote.
The point here is that the Constitution, contrary to what Dr. Justice Scalia may believe, is, like so many things in this world, a product of judicial EVOLUTION.
Evolution, in the biological sphere, the cultural sphere, the political sphere, etc. and, yes, the sphere of Constitutional law, is a complex process of continual adaptation to CHANGING circumstances.
Perhaps this is what the Tea Party movement is all about: the modern world and its problems are exceedingly complex, so complex that they make the average voters head spin.
The solution is NOT to elect people to Congress--left or right--who wish to cling to notions they have held dear since childhood, but to elect clear-headed people with the intelligence to distinguish fairly rational, if not perfect solutions (there are no perfect solutions), versus solutions that are purely based on ideology.
You hate Congress?
Your fellow Americans voted them in. Now convince them that you have real ideas for the modern world and that these ideas will help move this country forward.
Hatred is not an idea. It is an emotion.

Posted by: dzukijason | April 19, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

barrysal,

So you're angry that Democrats ensured consumers can't be exploited by insurance companies, and gave you access to affordable health care because it would have exactly what negative ramifications?

Yet, when you learn that your wages were absolutely stagnant for the entirety of the Bush term, and that CEO and executive wages went from 80% greater than their average worker salary to 450% their average worker salary, you thought you were being treated fairly?

Posted by: pathfinder12 | April 19, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I think the polls have it right. We've seen government expand to unprecedented proportions. President Obama and his administration quadrupled the deficit and have taken over 1/6 of the private sector - against the public's will. The financial reform will only make it worse for the taxpayers. This administration is impeding the very principle that made this nation great - free market. Free market provides choice and freedom and has made our country evolve into the greatest country over the past 200 years. This is why America is different from Europe or any other country.

Americans - you should be afraid - your freedom is slowly being eaten away by government intrustion. Higher taxes, less competition and less choices overall.

If Americans can't change congress in November, our economy will be severely crippled, our foreign relations a monstrosity and the rights of individual people will continue to deteriorate.

If you're concerned about the little guy - be concerned about Americans' rights. Without them, we're nothing.

Posted by: altonmj | April 19, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

This present intense distrust of government goes to public recognition of the fact that we are now governed by an elitist element of the ideological far left with it's myriad of hidden agendas, such as destruction or weakening of capitalism and the private sector economy, redistribution of wealth, weakening of our military, passive foreign policy, pandering to all manner of special interest groups, promotion of a race-based society, and attacks upon Christianity, to name a few. And now we learn that 80% of Americans distrust their government. This should be no surprise, and might even be good news for the country.

Posted by: bubba31138 | April 19, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Why people don’t like government?

Because they put their own self-interests above those they were elected to represent and are doing so consistently.

We’re tired of being lied to. We’re tired of elected ‘officials’ being sold to the highest paying lobby. We’re tired of political statements that sound like lawyerese - words that sound good but don’t mean anything nor commit to anything. We’re tired of political ads that smear an opponent offering no alternative other than half-truths and outright fabrication. We’re tired of a senate and congress that WON’T do anything except against what the opposition offers regardless if it would truly help the country out. We’re tired of special interests buying your votes so you can pad your future (often times at the expense of the country).

In short, we’re tired of politicians and the way they are twisting the image of America and the respect we used to get.

This goes to republikans and democrats but mainly to republikans. Grow some huevos and stand up against the far right dittoheads.

Posted by: 4Jaxon | April 19, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

WE-the-People are rightfully ANGRY at CONGRESS for their' 'turn-coat' actions! The last 2 Congress's, and this CONGRESS are mostly in BED with these Globalist Criminal $BANKsters & $WALLsters! -- Whom get the shaft? - The U.S. CITIZENRY,- that's Who!! -- And CONGRESS is to Blame. What should happen to Economic TRRORISTS, whom are also insiders of Our Federal Government?? -- Easy Answer:-- Either the noose, or the 'firing-squad'! --- ENOUGH of this RED & BLUE "CRAP"!! -- Get rid of them ALL! -- NO MORE 2-PARTY $BANKster controlled government. --- Repeal the Federal Reserve Act,--- and send those BANKster Cartel Thugs back to Europe where they came from back in 1911-1913!!! ---- END FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING PRACTICES!

Posted by: jward52 | April 19, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Dismiss them as what they are: sore losers and crybabies.

Posted by: ceefer66 | April 19, 2010 4:56 PM
----------------------------------
Well said. But are they crybabies with guns?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

So, I have a few points:

1.) Let's be careful when we say that no one trusts government. A large percentage apparently trusts government some of the time.
2.) I suspect that these numbers are accurate during recessionary times. That is what we have here. In some states, twelve out of a hundred are unemployed and nother twelve out of a hundred are under-employed. Lots of people are unhappy. It's no surprise that they blame government.
3.) At the same time, we should be careful to conclude that the governed don't believe that they are adequately treated by the government.

Posted by: teoandchive | April 19, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

All I have to say is you are full of yourself. You are probably an obama suck up attorney. I do side with tea party now and I am proud of it. At least they can say they do think independently. Not just what they have been told. You are right about that part but in essence you have failed to tell me where you acquired your gift. When you make statements that you know anything about a person be careful !! The same can come back on you. I could go down the same path and accuse you of being a fool but I won't go there I believe you will prove it on your own.

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I think this reflects on the sheeplike nature of the American people as much as anything else. They bleated when the Republicans were ruining the economy, government, and nation in general and now they bleat when the Democrats try to fix them. All I can say is if they really think they will get better government with the corporatist Republicans, they are fools. Hell, they're fools anyway.

Posted by: ElectricBill | April 19, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

altonmj,

Actually, Obama hasn't added that much to the deficit with his own bills. He's simply included Bush's bills into the deficit. Isn't that what you wanted? Transparency?

As for paying for health care, it will be paid for by cutting wasteful and fraudulent spending in other programs, something republicans always whine about, and increasing taxes on the richest. And the bill will decrease the deficit.

Posted by: pathfinder12 | April 19, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Considering the vitriol release by the right as soon as Clinton simply announced his INTENT to seek the presidency, and ascent of AM hate radio and Fox "News" during the 1990's, today's news re: "dislike of government" is nothing new.

Republicans and right-wingers ALWAYS express a dislike of government whenever they don't control the White House.

Dismiss them as what they are: sore losers and crybabies.

Posted by: ceefer66 | April 19, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

quadrupled the deficit? That is Fox News hyperbole unless you want to include Bush tax cuts, decline in tax revenues b/c of the recession, the Bush/Pauslon bailout started
in Dec 2008 which alone added $700 billion to the deficit, and expenditures from 2008 for the wars. Actually it was reported that the deficit went down in March by over $100 billion b/c of increased revenues and TARP money being returned.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 19, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Look at something--the faith in govt's high water mark was 1997--when Clinton was Pres. No wonder confidence has gone down. After 8 yrs of W's ineptitude & "free market practices," who would want to trust the gov't? Obama has only been in office 15 months. Give it some time. I love to read the cries and alarms of 'socialism.' Were all of these financial troubles the result of too much or too little govt oversight? So, the great recession of 2008 was, in the mind of the free-marketers, the cause of gov't interference, not financial greed free markets and greed?

Posted by: docyogurt
------------------------------------------
Too much government by Barney "I luv Fanny" Frank and Chris "Countrywide" Dodd.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Excellent article, Mr Cillizza. You sound like one of the few remaining voices of reason and reality left at WaPo.

The people are angry because we are struggling to take care of OUR BUSINESS, our families, etc., and trying to survive in modern day America.

We don't hate, and we don't break the law. We just believe in the CONSTITUTION and want to see our country guided by it.

NANCY, HARRY, CHARLIE, TIMMY, BARRY, BARNEY AND THE REST OF YOU "ELITES", WE SAW WHAT YOU DID IN PASSING THAT HEALTHCARE BILL. AND WE DIDN'T LIKE IT, AND WE WILL LEGALLY EXERCISE OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, AND VOTE!!!

WE'LL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!!!

Posted by: barrysal | April 19, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Excellent article, Mr Cillizza. You sound like one of the few remaining voices of reason and reality left at WaPo.

The people are angry because we are struggling to take care of OUR BUSINESS, our families, etc., and trying to survive in modern day America.

We don't hate, and we don't break the law. We just believe in the CONSTITUTION and want to see our country guided by it.

NANCY, HARRY, CHARLIE, TIMMY, BARRY, BARNEY AND THE REST OF YOU "ELITES", WE SAW WHAT YOU DID IN PASSING THAT HEALTHCARE BILL. AND WE DIDN'T LIKE IT, AND WE WILL LEGALLY EXERCISE OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, AND VOTE!!!

WE'LL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!!!

Posted by: barrysal | April 19, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

More than 83% of the current federal debt heaped on our shoulders and that of oor descendants came about during the past 3 Republican Presidents -- Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr.

Do the math. Oops, I forgot that the Tea Baggers fail at economic analysis and prefer instead to spew hate and lies.

Posted by: HillRat | April 19, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Let me be frank. I was a teacher for 41 years and have benefited personally from it. I had a secure job, long vacations and health care from the day I started in the classroom until the day I die. I get a pension that amounts to 80% of my pay during the last years of my teaching. I also get a small social security check. So what's my problem? It's that I am concerned that this kind of public policy has my state of California near bankruptcy. And the Obama government is running up debt at an unprecedented rate. The welfare state is unsustainable- what I benefited from cannot continue. Yet the public service unions have the Democratic Party in their pocket and there is no accountability in sight. The cynical will not believe that my concern truly is for my country and its survival. And for the generations to follow. I am a typical tea party member although I have not joined one personally.

Posted by: mhr614 | April 19, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Cillizza,
People really don't hate the government, they hate the way it is being run.
I love our government! I love the three branches, the checks and balances the brilliant original plan by the founders.
What I don't like is $600 hammers, million dollar Naval warships rotting away never used, millions of dollars of Medicaid fraud for hip replacements on people who don't exist,
Welfare fraud, lobbyists, corporate welfare for companies no longer employing Americans, no bid contracts, a government that taxes people all year with a tax code that is so complicated people have to go out and buy software to file their taxes!
Our government has now insinuated itself into just about everything. If they just went back to the basics and concerned themselves with the waste and fraud and our crumbling infrastructure.
"Government subsidized" from student loans to buying back refrigerators means waste, fraud, the taxpayers paying 10 times the price and no oversight.
Oh for another Everett Dirksen who said a billion here and a billion there and pretty soon we are talking about real money.

Posted by: menopausequeen | April 19, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Dems Are Skeptical Of Government. Republicans Want A Daddy Figure.

"An interesting finding is that Democrats and Independents are pretty consistently skeptical of government no matter who’s in the White House — but Republicans trust government far more than any other group when Republicans are in charge."
.
http://people-press.org/report/606/trust-in-government

In fact, the poll shows that Democratic trust in government hasn't risen above 34% since the Nixon/Ford era. It had been at 72%, under Presidents Kennedy and Johnson. Independents also slid from Kennedy/Johnson heights, with a peak of 38% during Reagan, and nothing above 30%, since. In other words, Democrats and Independents are deeply skeptical of government, no matter who is in office. The big government liberal canard is exposed. Many of we Democrats don't really care whether government is big or small, we just want it to be effective and responsible.

Republicans, on the other hand, are wholly partisan in their trust of government. Their trust also slid from Kennedy/Johnson highs, but under Democrats, the numbers were uniformly low: 27% for Carter, 25% for Clinton, and only 12% for Obama. No doubt, their feelings about government under Obama are wholly attributable to his centrist stands on the issues, rather than his being a Communist Nazi from Kenya.

But those supposedly government-hating Republicans sure do have a different feeling when their own party controls the White House. Under Reagan, 54% approved of government. Under Poppy Bush, that number dropped to 44%, which is still a full ten percent higher than Democrats trusted any government since Watergate. Under W, 50% of Republicans trusted government.

Republicans are simply more authoritarian than Democrats. For all their talk about individual liberty and personal freedom, they’re ready and eager to goose-step behind whatever Republican Daddy figure that comes along. Think back at the cottage industry of sickeningly fawning books about Bush during his first term and you get the picture. This is why right-wingers saw black helicopters in the skies when Clinton was President, but cheered on every egregious executive overreach — from domestic spying to torture — when Bush was at the helm.

For all the blather about individual responsibility, Democrats and Independents seem to like to think for themselves. Republicans seem to like to fall in line behind whomever the Republican "Daddy" figure is at the time.

It’s also pretty self-evident from these results that a Democratic President trying to appeal to Republican (or Teabagger) voters is completely wasting his time. So Barack Obama can escalate in Afghanistan and cut taxes and he’s still considered a communist pacifist by the right.
.
http://people-press.org/report/606/trust-in-government

Posted by: DrainYou | April 19, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

docyogurt,

When you read most republican and tea bagger posts, you'll notice that they actually blame Obama for the economic collapse. They think the economy is worse now than it was in 2008.

Then again, a tea bagger at a rally was quoted saying, "my family fled Poland to get away from Hitler's socialized medicine, so yes I'm alarmed that our country is headed down the same path." So who knows how whacky these people are.

Posted by: pathfinder12 | April 19, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"...how is Obama going to pay for it all."

That is silly, Obama is not going to pay for it, you are. There, that was easy, next question?

Posted by: shrink2 | April 19, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

vageorge wrote: Well you seem to be so capable at knowing all and seeing all . How is it you have this gift? I would doubt it is spiritual or God given.
--------------------------------
George, I can see through you.

You an independent who wants the majority to rule even if he doesn't agree with them, who thinks the President was born in Kenya and is a Muslim. You, the independent, who doesn't vote party line but for the person. You, the independent.

Does anyone believe, besides you, that you are anything but a right wing Tea Party Republican, trying to pass yourself off as an independent thinker and voter.

You see, george, you have to be more clever if you want to pretend to be independent. You can't post partisan rhetoric. It's really pretty easy to understand.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Lets see. Americans dislike:
1. The Pope
2. The government
3. The media
4. Toyota
5. Wall Street

Is there a trend here? People are just ticked off. There are some who have discontent due to their inability to find a job. That is certainly understandable. But, for those who are working and enjoying the benefits of living in the greatest country in the world one has to wonder. Further, unless the American people have a tremendously short memory putting Republicans back in charge of the government just defies logic. All of the problems we are encountering have their roots in the previous administration. Obama did not cause the recession, he did not start the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and he certainly did not develop the fiscal mess the government is going through. Yes, he saved GM and the banking system, he did take action to fix the health care system, and he did stimulate the economy so that the severity of the recession is less than it would be. Actually, listening and reading the media would lead me to believe the goverment has not done anything correctly. I have personal knowledge that the media is wrong. The constant drum beat of critical and negative news does take its toll eventually.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | April 19, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"Obama has banned lobbyists from his administration."

Yeah, sure, but has Chris Cillizza banned 37thand0street from his?

Posted by: shrink2
-------------------------------------------
Why should 37 be banned? No one on this blog has ever answered his question on how is Obama going to pay for it all.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

By the way I voted for both republicans and democrats in the election. Did you even consider the candidates or were you one of those that just votes for the Democrat party come hell or high water? Well we have both now

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I think the polls have it right. We've seen government expand to unprecedented proportions. President Obama and his administration quadrupled the deficit and have taken over 1/6 of the private sector - against the public's will. The financial reform will only make it worse for the taxpayers. This administration is impeding the very principle that made this nation great - free market. Free market provides choice and freedom and has made our country evolve into the greatest country over the past 200 years. This is why America is different from Europe or any other country.

Americans - you should be afraid - your freedom is slowly being eaten away by government intrustion. Higher taxes, less competition and less choices overall.

If Americans can't change congress in November, our economy will be severely crippled, our foreign relations a monstrosity and the rights of individual people will continue to deteriorate.

If you're concerned about the little guy - be concerned about Americans' rights. Without them, we're nothing.

Posted by: altonmj | April 19, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse


"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Posted by: easttxisfreaky | April 19, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

12bar hit the nail on the head. These folks are unhappy with govt and want to cut the
deficit. Great we all do, but why didn't
we hear a sound from them b/w 2000-2008 when trillions were spent on the war,tax cuts, and Medicare Part D. Do they somehow think that was free, or the more likely answer is that Dick Armey and friends only demonstrate about deficits when the cameras can catch them complaining about Ds. They say publicly that this is not about Ds, but why is it that they are organized by Dick Armey, exR whip and Fox News and why they were totally silent for 8 years. When the Medicare Part D vote was held
open for hours with zero offsets to pay for it why weren't they out screaming their lungs out and protesting in front of Congress when Rs spent $600 billion with no plans to pay for it?
No TeaParty, no demonstrations nothing for 8 years.
2/3 of the budget is made up of entitlements
like SS, Medicare and the VA, Defense, and
interest on the debt. When surveyed TeaPartiers
said they oppose big govt but since the majority of them are on SS, receiving SS and Medicare is OK with them. So strike entitlements, they only want to cut other people's Medicare just not theirs. Defense, how about cutting 1/2 of the new F-35(over $1 billion p/plane) likely built in Miss or Alabama so Shelby and Cochran and I am sure would say hell no.
How about cutting foreign aid since we hear
lots of folks rail against Israel. Well that amounts to less than 1/2 of 1 % of the budget which might save a few billion and do very little to help the deficit, chump change. So as 12bar asked what precise programs would the TeaParty cut. How about cutting transportation, you know the federal roads and bridges that serve their communities, Not likely.
Its great to gripe and demonstrate but its time we hear specific cuts they all agree on, not just the same old I hate govt jiberish.

Its also great to read posts from some new bloggers to this site today.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 19, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Look at something--the faith in govt's high water mark was 1997--when Clinton was Pres. No wonder confidence has gone down. After 8 yrs of W's ineptitude & "free market practices," who would want to trust the gov't? Obama has only been in office 15 months. Give it some time. I love to read the cries and alarms of 'socialism.' Were all of these financial troubles the result of too much or too little govt oversight? So, the great recession of 2008 was, in the mind of the free-marketers, the cause of gov't interference, not financial greed free markets and greed?

Posted by: docyogurt | April 19, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues

Well you seem to be so capable at knowing all and seeing all . How is it you have this gift? I would doubt it is spiritual or God given. If it is tell me did you foresee the anger that has been manifested by this political group. The masses are really afraid of this govt. not just here but abroad. There hasn't been a confidence build up. The American public is afraid of obama and his group why would the foreign govs feel any difference? He wanted to be friends with the Iranian gov, now they want to blow us up. He has done such a good job in office. I don't think so and I have talked to many that thought he would be a good president and they are so disappointed. If more people would get off the party side of affairs and look for what is best for this country we would fair much better

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"Obama has banned lobbyists from his administration."

Yeah, sure, but has Chris Cillizza banned 37thand0street from his?

Posted by: shrink2 | April 19, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Because Republicans as paid agents of Rich & Big corporations (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Military, Big Banks, etc. aka Wall Street Gang) have been carrying out of one of the Ultimate Con Jobs in the history of man kind, perpetrated on the American people, for the last many decades. The purpose of which Con Job are the following 2 Key objectives:
1- To give American people as little as possible for the Taxes that we pay,
2- To enable the Rich & Big corporations (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Banks, etc.) to get as rich as they can off
the back of the American middle class (people) by not having the Government (of the People by the People for the People)
regulate what they can do for the benefit of the People, such as regulate them from charging criminal level interest rates of 30%, or have Universal nationalized health care, as all Europeans have, Canadians have, Israelis have, Chinese have, etc.

And to get away with this Ultimate Con Job, Republicans have been saying any insane thing, any lunatic thing, no matter how senseless and illogical, such as:
1- "Government cannot do anything..."
2- "Government is the problem not the solution..."
etc. etc.

Which translated means:
1- You the People cannot do anything, since this is supposed to be the "Government of the People by the People for the People"
2- Pay about 40% of your income in Taxes and get almost nothing for your Taxes
3- Only the Rich & Big corporations "can do things... and are the solution...." IF we can brain wash you people to believe that the Government of the People cannot do anything... and thus the Con Job is complete.

More here:
http://anoox.com/blog/Real_News.34034

So IF the Rich & Big corporations can get the people to "Hate the Government" while we pay about 40% of our income in various forms of Taxes then they have won, they have effectively then stolen 40% of our money each year. That is why they spend 100s of Billions per year to get the "White trash" to so called not trust the Government so they can complete this Con Job.

Posted by: RealNews1 | April 19, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

johne37179 wrote: This is just a lot of sour grapes from 80% of the country who are just unhappy about who they elected president and to congress in 2008. Don't they remember that it's all George Bush's fault?
=================================

John: Yeah, people were so mad at Bush they elected Brown the conservative to take Kennedy's place in Mass.

Can you say STIMULUS?

Posted by: reddog62 | April 19, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

As far as I know all americans whow votes in election are iliterate and they will still go a head and vote fot these same people in congress and senate and BO for president. Remember the past election in 2000 and 2004. This is the way americans vote. George Bush did the bad presidency in his first 4 years but what people did again in 2004 they voted him again. In my opinion all people who voted for Bush in 2004 were brain demmaged and the same people will vote for BO back in white house again in 2012 and will vote for the same house and senate members again.

The history will repeat again. Watch me and mark your calander for 2012 november election.

Posted by: patukanani2001 | April 19, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our
throats while overspending our tax dollars AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO
BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

And it's only going to get worse with the combination of this Congress and Administration

Posted by: NO-bama
+++++++++++++

Why do you think "it's only going to get worse with the combination of this Congress and Administration."

Examples, please.

And where was your concern when the last Administration and a Congress with a GOP majority ran a record Federal surplus into a record Federal deficit?

Huh?

I'll wait.

Posted by: ceefer66 | April 19, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

We need to toss incumbents and keep tossing them until we get some representatives who realize that their job is to serve the people, not the money.

Posted by: robert17 | April 19, 2010 4:34 PM
--------------------------------
While I agree with you about the corruption of corporate money, don't you think it would be more efficient to get the corporate MONEY out of Congress, rather than keep tossing incumbents until they "forget" about corporate money.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

What short memories many of you people have. Or, perhaps you choose to deliberately forget of previous presidents and their vacation times. I found this short article on the Internet and I am sending the link so that you can read it for yourselves. Here is the link http://ask.yahoo.com/20031001.html

The content appeared in the Washington Post. I hope you read English and are able to comprehend. I think it is revealing that the worse abusers in taking vacation were all Repulsicans.

"According to an August 2003 article in the Washington Post, President Bush has spent all or part of 166 days during his presidency at his Crawford, Texas, ranch or en route. Add the time spent at or en route to the presidential retreat of Camp David and at the Bush family estate in Kennebunkport, Maine, and Bush has taken 250 days off as of August 2003. That's 27% of his presidency spent on vacation. Although to be fair, much of this time is classified as a "working vacation."

Bush isn't the first president to get away from his work. George Bush Sr. took all or part of 543 vacation days at Camp David and in Kennebunkport. Ronald Reagan spent 335 days at or en route to his Santa Barbara, California, ranch during his eight years in office. Of recent presidents, Jimmy Carter took the least days off -- only 79 days, which he usually spent at his home in Georgia. That's less than three weeks a year, which is closer to the average American's paid time off of 13 days per year.

What about Clinton? As of December 1999, President Bill Clinton had spent only 152 days on holiday during his two terms, according to CBS News. A former staffer noted Clinton was such a workaholic that "it almost killed Clinton to take one-week vacations during August." In 2000, Clinton cut his summer vacation short to just three days, so he and his wife could concentrate on her Senate race and fundraising for Democrats. While we couldn't find the exact tally for Clinton's last year in office, it's reasonable to expect he didn't increase his vacation rate. And in barely three years in office, George W. Bush has already taken more vacation than Clinton did in seven years."
Posted by: SocorroMariaPelayo
======================================================================================

Thanks for this post! Very enlightening. A wise person once said Govt governs best when it governs least.... I think we all wish Carter had taken every day off on vacation and Clinton couldn't stand up from his desk to get away..... just a little humor there.

Posted by: tbastian | April 19, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

vageorge wrote: "The only paper I have seen was a computer generated live birth certificate that even the state of Hawaii did not recognize until recently. The form did not exist until 2001. It is not signed or certified in any way. You could not get a drivers license with it."

Wrong, the certified birth certificate issued by the State of Hawaii is not only a legal piece of identification, it also serves as prima facia evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding. There are also announcement of President Obama's birth in local Hawaiian papers, so how much concrete and fully verifiable proof you nuts need?

vageorge wrote: "Tell me why obama can not produce a certified birth certificate."

President Obama has done so and the State of Hawaii has certified it as being authentic.

Tell me why you, or anyone, cannot produce a shred of evidence proving that the state of Hawaii forged his birth certificate or explain why local Hawaiian papers announced his birth?

Posted by: JDGillis | April 19, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

The Founders would have had second thoughts about leaving British rule if they saw the frothy-mouthed Tea Baggers today.

Posted by: HillRat | April 19, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

This is just a lot of sour grapes from 80% of the country who are just unhappy about who they elected president and to congress in 2008. Don't they remember that it's all George Bush's fault?

Posted by: johne37179 | April 19, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

This is just a lot of sour grapes from 80% of the country who are just unhappy about who they elected president and to congress in 2008. Don't they remember that it's all George Bush's fault?

Posted by: johne37179 | April 19, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

What's not to like?

The government grows like a weed, doesn't solve any problems, never eliminates any poorly performing programs, and pays its people far above what the average private sector employee earns.

The politicians take money from lobbyists, but somehow it isn't graft or bribery. They gerrymander their districts to favor incumbents, but somehow that isn't crooked.

Wonder what all the fuss is about?

==========

Exactly. I'll add that the problem transcends partisan division and in fact thrives on it as a distracting mechanism. If you are a partisan, you are part of the problem. Both parties kowtow to money and get away with it because they are guaranteed to split the lower and middle classes along cultural, social and racial lines. We need to toss incumbents and keep tossing them until we get some representatives who realize that their job is to serve the people, not the money.

Posted by: robert17 | April 19, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

The dislike of government is at all time highs. Who's in control of both houses and the presidency? Duh!!!

Posted by: theBozyn1 | April 19, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

The leader of the Tea Baggers seems to be Sarah Palin. If that's their brain trust the lot of them are bound to be mentally deficient.

Posted by: madest | April 19, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Voting incumbents out of office, in my opinion, will not change what is going on. It will certainly bring about more contention and anamous behavior among governing bodies. One thing for certain unless the House and Senate come together and stop playing political chicken games, this Country will be ripe for picking. We have a President, like him or not, who is actively pursuing a multiple of challenging issues simultaneously and diligently working to keep the priorties of America in the forefront. Instead of other elected officials attempting the same, they are constantly provoking anger, hatred, and division among the citizens and various government agencies.

A country divided amongst itself cannot successfully not stand secure and strong. We all need to step back and take another look at the underlying scheme behind the rhetoric that is being so vehemently spewed.

The dates "4/19" and "9/11" are on the calendar every year. Every day on the calendar is a day that disaster can happen. What is meant by this simply put, is focusing on the wrong things leaves us open to danger from without as well as within. Why not work with this administration and make it better than trying to tear it down and leave us vulnerable to covert attacks.

Does anyone truly believe that the constant bickering, name calling, and political posturing makes the U.S. appear strong, capable, and "united"? JMHO

Posted by: cntnulprze | April 19, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

As I did say I am an independent I did not say who i voted for. However I would like the majority to rule not just get elected and turn

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 4:25 PM
-----------------------------
George, george, we KNOW who you voted for. You don't have to be coy with us.

Second, somehow you lost your train of thought on the "majority rules, not just get elected and turn..." Probably lost it, because your train is not too coupled, is it, george?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Why is it so hard for people to understand that until we get special interest money out of American politics, we can never again have a government of the People?
THIS is what our Founding Fathers risked their lives to give us.
Why would Congress listen to the electorate when the obscene amount of money they need to get elected comes mainly from groups whose narrow interests conflict with what is best for the Country.
Public financing of elections and restoration of the Fairness Doctrine in broadcasting will achieve a result that will restore our faith in American politics. Finally, what is needed is an end to gerrymandering, which makes House members DEAF to points of view not held by their guaranteed partisan districts.
How is this concept NOT a NO-BRAINER?

Posted by: curtnevan
------------------------------------------
Obama has banned lobbyists from his administration.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

He could be pink as far as I am concerned. but not a Muslim or a Socialist

Posted by: vageorge
++++++++++++===

This is exactly the problem I have with you people.

Where is your proof that Pres. Obama is a Muslim? Cite CREDIBLE, UNIMPEACHABLE sources, please.

Where is your proof that he is a socialist? What socialist policies has he implemented (Hint: passage of the health care bill doesn't count; it does not pass the socialism litmus test).

Can you even DEFINE "socialist"?

Posted by: ceefer66 | April 19, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The dislike of government is at all time highs. Who's in control of both houses and the presidency? Duh!!!

Posted by: theBozyn1 | April 19, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I’m fed up with the screaming baggers. Just because they scream loud and often don’t make them right or justify the coverage they get from the media. They are clearly the far right wing of the electorate, hate all Democrats and are intolerant of any view that isn’t in lock step with the Fox network. They have had no plan that addresses the problems facing America today and they label anyone that does as communist/socialist/fascist/un-American. They scream about death squads as if the President of the United States was going to execute them but they support the insurance industry that is sentencing thousands of citizens to death every day. They are hypocrites that don’t want to pay taxes but do want their Social Security benefits, Medicare, police protection, fire fighters, roads, highways and sewer systems. They do like to start wars with other nations but don’t want to pay for them or provide car for our wounded soldiers when they return. Their hate for America is evident when they say that we need to “reload” and “target” our elected representatives. They claim to be patriots but the words they use divide our country and sow hate for future generations. They have gone too far.

Posted by: enaz | April 19, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

obama has energized the 'every american'

Posted by: simonsays1 | April 19, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I do want a majority rule NOT A FIB FOOL, obama was elected but his frigid health bill was not wanted by the majority. in the manner you try to mix words maybe obama will hire you. Evidently you could use a job. As I did say I am an independent I did not say who i voted for. However I would like the majority to rule not just get elected and turn

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

What short memories many of you people have. Or, perhaps you choose to deliberately forget of previous presidents and their vacation times. I found this short article on the Internet and I am sending the link so that you can read it for yourselves. Here is the link http://ask.yahoo.com/20031001.html

The content appeared in the Washington Post. I hope you read English and are able to comprehend. I think it is revealing that the worse abusers in taking vacation were all Repulsicans.

"According to an August 2003 article in the Washington Post, President Bush has spent all or part of 166 days during his presidency at his Crawford, Texas, ranch or en route. Add the time spent at or en route to the presidential retreat of Camp David and at the Bush family estate in Kennebunkport, Maine, and Bush has taken 250 days off as of August 2003. That's 27% of his presidency spent on vacation. Although to be fair, much of this time is classified as a "working vacation."

Bush isn't the first president to get away from his work. George Bush Sr. took all or part of 543 vacation days at Camp David and in Kennebunkport. Ronald Reagan spent 335 days at or en route to his Santa Barbara, California, ranch during his eight years in office. Of recent presidents, Jimmy Carter took the least days off -- only 79 days, which he usually spent at his home in Georgia. That's less than three weeks a year, which is closer to the average American's paid time off of 13 days per year.

What about Clinton? As of December 1999, President Bill Clinton had spent only 152 days on holiday during his two terms, according to CBS News. A former staffer noted Clinton was such a workaholic that "it almost killed Clinton to take one-week vacations during August." In 2000, Clinton cut his summer vacation short to just three days, so he and his wife could concentrate on her Senate race and fundraising for Democrats. While we couldn't find the exact tally for Clinton's last year in office, it's reasonable to expect he didn't increase his vacation rate. And in barely three years in office, George W. Bush has already taken more vacation than Clinton did in seven years."

Posted by: SocorroMariaPelayo | April 19, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

A lot of this is sour grapes from republicans who lost the election. Republicans have yet to come to terms with the fact that their president George W. Bush was such an incredible failure. He began the Wall St. and GM bailouts yet the Tea Partiers blame it all on Obama. Tax breaks for the rich, lies about the reasons for war. Failure at capturing or killing OBL. Spying on everyone has left the republican party in a position of being angry at everything. These weirdos will calm down once the press stops paying attention.

Posted by: madest | April 19, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

The more people you have, the more rules you need to keep them from p00ping in each other's Wheaties, and the more government you need to manage the infrastructure that supports them. It's just a fact of life.

Posted by: Capn0ok | April 19, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I dont like my local Gov.Idont like my county Gov. I dont like my State Gov. why should I like my Federal Gov I dont know but I do know one thing with out federal tanks and federal guns and federal ships and planes I would probably be speaking russian by now...

Posted by: snarlingwolf | April 19, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I am a member of the GOP and pretty conservative. I am not a tea-party member or a nut case listening to talk show hosts all day. I just think that Govt needs to be responsible and find a way to live within it's means just like we all do. I don't think that is too much to ask for.

Posted by: tbastian | April 19, 2010 3:50 PM
-------------------------------
No, I don't think it is too much to ask for. But, what cuts would you make. Most of the federal government budget is defense and medicare/ss. What would you cut?

Posted by: 12BarBlues
======================================================================================

Cuts can be made across the board by them NOT spending money just because it is in their budget... at the end of every fiscal year they spend every dime in the budget.. whether they need to or not.. because the way Govt works if you don't spend it you lose it for next year. They also automatically raise their budget each and every year. Each department is jockeying for power and position and the more money you have in your budget the more you can do. They are not worried about budgeting the way business does or an individual since it isn't really their money. Govt waste is a huge problem.. as is fraud ( take a look at Medicare it is filled with it ) S.S. is a huge problem and is only going to get worse..... more and more people are living longer and as the baby boomers hit that magic age it is going to pull it under. The age limits need to be raised and the benefit has to be cut with people understanding the need for alternative retirement plans. We had whole generations who lived without saving and just spending. People themselves need to be more fiscally responsible... but that is a whole other discussion. Defense spending can be reduced by not purchasing items that truly are not needed and finding more ways to combine purchasing power across the different military branches.. the joint strike fighter is a good example of this. Why do we need different fighters developed for each branch of service if you can develop a very good fighter that is multi-functional that can work on a carrier for the Navy and Air Force and Marine pilots without sacrificing.

perhaps there needs to be an across the board cut in the Govt of 10%.... let each department find ways to cut expenses wasted on supplies, travel, parties, extra staffers who aren't needed etc.... Businesses do this every day to stay competitive. If they have money left over in their budget.. let them keep it for when they do need it.. a reserve fund.. some expenses are not recurring every year.

Posted by: tbastian | April 19, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

How about the 65 million Americans who voted for President Obama in November, 2008, only 17 months ago. When do they get to "rule" and "be represented". Never? Or when the 57 million Americans who voted Republican DECIDE so?

Posted by: 12BarBlues


how about when the guy who was elected shows up. you remember him. the

transparent
post racial
bi partisan
centrist
line by line budgeting
no lobbyist
frugal
tax cutting
not one dime spending
foreign resetting
laws posted for three days
gitmo closing

guy. where did he wander off to?

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The Great American Ingrate...

Posted by: mmax | April 19, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

People dislike government because:

1. It is slow.
2. It is cumbersome.
3. It is unresponsive.
4. It is dehumanizing.
5. It is an incomprehensible bowl of spaghetti.
6. It is inefficient.
7. It promulgates endless rules, reguoations and guidelines that strangle the human spirit.
8. It is rarely accountable.
9. It lacks a human face.

Posted by: BaltimoreCotls59 | April 19, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

greatgran


He could be pink as far as I am concerned. but not a Muslim or a Socialist

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The Founders would vomit if they could see what a pack of spoiled brats we've become. We live in the most open and free society in history, we're the most advanced nation ever seen on the face of the earth, the largest economy by far, the largest supplier of manufactured goods, the country that won two world wars and the Cold War, first put humans on another planetary body, the world's center of science and medicine, we have one the most abundant supplies of natural resources of any country on Earth.....and we suffer one reverse, a sharp downturn in the economy, and suddenly the government isn't getting it right and we're on the road to socialism. Bull.

What the crybabies in this country need most of all right now is a good swift kick in the a*s, pointed in the direction of the country they think is better governed. Take a hike if you don't like it here. There are 10 people ready to come here for every one who leaves. Frankly, the country would be better off with people who appreciate the freedom and prosperity many of you seem to think is so inadequate.

Posted by: Bob22003 | April 19, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

What have the Romans ever done for us?

Posted by: iculus | April 19, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I have nothing to complain about and much to be thankful for.
I'm glad the President Obama is in office and I'm aware that in spite of the fact that the Congress is full of people just like the rest of us they still manage to do a relatively good job keeping this huddled mass afloat.
We should just take a deep breath and enjoy life a bit more.

Posted by: ekim1949 | April 19, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The story says they don't like or trust the government. It does not say why. Why the headline?

Posted by: Dpete1 | April 19, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

You have never had a job or family right?
That's not an accusation if you attended a failing public school.

-----

I have attended public and private schools. Both public and private have helped. I have had jobs (in both the private and public sectors). I am currently a grad student. I also have a family. Nonetheless, I don't see an America falling apart, I see an intact America, and I see a lot of debate about America's future going on. Yes, we know there's a deficit and a debt and that it needs to be paid down over time. Nonetheless, I don't see hyperinflation happening, and I see that even Japan, a country awash in government debt, is still there. I see a Greece that's getting bailed out, and an Iceland trying to fix itself up, and I see Socialist countries such as China doing somewhat well. So big debt, while a concern, is not necessarily the end of the world. Big debt CAN be managed - we did that during WWII, remember...

But I agree with debt needing to be paid down - during economic booms. Other than that, a modest level of debt is probably fine at the government level.

I see a country in need of improvement, in need of high-speed rail and transit, in need of jobs, in need of growth, and I am not sure how limited government and personal responsibility are going to achieve this when the private sector is intent on cutting to the bone. New industries are needed, and high speed rail counts as a new industry. New industries are also EXPENSIVE, so they require money from numerous sources - including government.

The argument is that small govt and personal responsibility will make America great via Darwinian competition. The trouble is that winners trounce the losers, as they must under such a situation, they themselves gain too much power and get lethargic. Furthermore, Darwinian competition needs gamblers, people willing to SPEND A LOT OF MONEY to make things happen. And if nobody wants to spend money, where is it going to come from?

Some cost cutting is fine. Excessive cost cutting is stupid.

Posted by: rickyrab | April 19, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

How about the 65 million Americans who voted for President Obama in November, 2008, only 17 months ago. When do they get to "rule" and "be represented". Never? Or when the 57 million Americans who voted Republican DECIDE so?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

They are now. WHAT A FINE FIX WE ARE IN NOW

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 4:13 PM
--------------------------------------
Weren't you the guy who wanted majority rule, even if you didn't agree with it. Another fib, vageorge. You didn't really mean the part about "if you didn't agree with it", did you?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

The biggest threat to our democracy today is not the deficit and what is commonly called 'entitlements.' The real problem is the influence of the big corporate interests. They are the ones with the 'entitlements' that threaten the power of ordinary citizens.

Deficit spending to bring the country out of a recession is necessary. If nobody spends, the economy spirals down and crashes, and after the debacle of fall, 2008, people weren't able or willing to spend, they were losing their jobs, their homes, their retirement savings, their health insurance, their shirts. Because they weren't able to spend, small businesses everywhere had to cut back or shut down. When this happens, the government is the 'spender of last resort,' through unemployment insurance, public works projects, and other such activities that stimulate the economy. Once the economy is clearly recovering, deficit spending can be wound down.

Meanwhile, attempts to rein in the high-rolling financiers whose shady practices nearly brought down the national and world economy are opposed by Wall Street and its lobbyists, who are converging on our elected legislators with bundles of bucks.

The President's call for legislation to prevent another such meltdown is immediately greeted with a song and dance by Mitch McConnell, John Boehner and crew, who promise to block it. These are the guys that should be voted out of office and replaced with legislators who put the ordinary citizens' interest at the top of their responsibilities.

Now the Supreme Court's right wing has declared that corporations are persons with all the free speech rights granted in the First Amendment to us ordinary individuals; and that corporate money is 'speech,' which may be used freely to influence elections. Now there's an 'entitlement' we do not need!

This is a real reason, not to 'hate government,' which is an adolescent response,' but to insist that the government belongs to ordinary citizens, and break the stranglehold of BIG MONEY.

Posted by: PeggyB1 | April 19, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Americans need a consumer protection agency who focuses on congress.Toyota did not set out to mfg a car with faulty gas pedal but they may have hidden or delayed the need for repair.Fine is accessed and paid...Barney and friends Includes obama and acorn conspired to sell homes to anyone and force banks to lower standards to do so and Goldman and friends hold the bag.. pay a small fine and all are friends again.Where is the love for americans in that.. seems like alot of hate from our leaders lead to a little anger from us the holders of the bag of debt.....The media following the main story line from Gibs or Glibs is sad and disgusting but normal reporting we have come to expect...spreading more anger and fear...

Posted by: jmounday | April 19, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I really resent someone saying that if you oppose Obama's reckless spending. his inept management of our economy or his no jobs policy unless it is a government job then you are a racist. Frankly, Obama could be lavender blue, or green or fluffy bright pink. Who cares what color he is? What does that have to do with the issues? It has nothing to do with the issues at all and is cover for those who cannot converse on the issues at hand.
People are upset with government when they see their dollar falling through the floor and they see their cities crumbling in front of their eyes since all are out of work. And what does Obama do? He pushed a no jobs stimulus bill that was a payoff for special interests and a healthcare takeover no one with an IQ over 60 would want for themselves or their loved ones.
So grow up out there and at least discuss the issues. We are sick of those throwing the race card when they cannot argue a point. We thought we were all grown ups here.

Posted by: greatgran1 | April 19, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"Andy Kohut... cites "a dismal economy, an unhappy public, bitter partisan-based backlash, and epic discontent with Congress and elected officials" as the critical factors in this building tempest."

------------------------

Let's not forget to list really lousy, polarizing "leadership" from Obama.

Posted by: JAH3 | April 19, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

We are an aging population, closing in on retirement and beginning to be afraid of everything/everyone that/who might hurt us personally - the stock market, immigrants, changes in Medicare/Social Security, etc. especially when we don't understand most of it. It is not reason that guides us, it is emotion, and that emotion is fear/hate, fight/flight, and some others feed on that. We need to take a deep breath, then an education in how government works and why we have government in the first place - all the basics. As Walt Kelly's Pogo said "We have met the enemy and he is us."

Posted by: jujones1 | April 19, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I would like to recover the feeling that the majority rules and is represented. Whether I approve or not.

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 4:01 PM
-------------------------------------
Sure you would.

How about the 65 million Americans who voted for President Obama in November, 2008, only 17 months ago. When do they get to "rule" and "be represented". Never? Or when the 57 million Americans who voted Republican DECIDE so?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 4:06 PM
++++++++++
Well said!

Posted by: Angoose | April 19, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

How about the 65 million Americans who voted for President Obama in November, 2008, only 17 months ago. When do they get to "rule" and "be represented". Never? Or when the 57 million Americans who voted Republican DECIDE so?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

They are now. WHAT A FINE FIX WE ARE IN NOW

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Why is it so hard for people to understand that until we get special interest money out of American politics, we can never again have a government of the People?
THIS is what our Founding Fathers risked their lives to give us.
Why would Congress listen to the electorate when the obscene amount of money they need to get elected comes mainly from groups whose narrow interests conflict with what is best for the Country.
Public financing of elections and restoration of the Fairness Doctrine in broadcasting will achieve a result that will restore our faith in American politics. Finally, what is needed is an end to gerrymandering, which makes House members DEAF to points of view not held by their guaranteed partisan districts.
How is this concept NOT a NO-BRAINER?

Posted by: curtnevan | April 19, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"People don't dislike the government. They hate Barack Obama."

See, here is the perfect example of someone spouting a blatant lie. According to this poll, 38% gave the government an overall positive approval against 43% against. Pollster.com averages polls on Obama's approval rating. As of today, it's 48% approve vs. 48% disapprove. So Obama's approval rating is 10% higher than the government as a whole.

The Tea Partiers and the Republicans who are trying to take advantage of them are ignoring some fundamental facts. They protest that we are taxed too high and are spending too much. Well, the United States pays less income tax than 70% of industrialized countries. We also pay a lot less income tax than we have historically. After 1931, the only time when income tax rates have been lower than now was between 1988-1992. So in the past 80 years, we’ve only had lower rates in 5 of those. Furthermore as part of the stimulus bill, Obama cut taxes for 95% of the population when he took office. It was recently reported that 47% of all American households pay no income tax at all!

As for the Great Recession, it all happened under Bush’s 8 years while simultaneously having a Republican-controlled Congress for 6 of those with them always pushing for less regulation. It’s obvious that the GOP dropped the ball. And while they were at it, they doubled the national debt. It’s sad and ironic that red ink is the biggest conservative cause now when it was the conservatives who utterly failed by cutting taxes and increasing spending (Bush outspent Clinton by leaps and bounds even while hiding the costs of two wars by not including them in the budget process).

Posted by: zvelf | April 19, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Tell me why obama can not produce a certified birth certificate. The govt of Kenya has offered to produce one for him Think about this prior to making stupid uninformed statements

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 4:07 PM
------------------------------------------
You told us a fib, vageorge. You said you were an independent, that you weren't a Republican. Now, that wasn't strictly true, was it vageorge?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

It really ticks me off when the fire department shows up quickly to put out a big fire before it spreads to my house. I'm especially upset with garbage pickup, it has been regular for years now, except in the massive blizzard. And don't me started on Social Security, it has been sending checks to my very old parents for over two decades without fail all this time. They don't use Medicare, Tricare covers them 'cuase they served in two wars. The cops show up right away every time someone in my town calls them. And I cannot remember the last time my capital city was conquered by an invading army from north or south of the border!!! My water could be more pure but I've been drinkin' from the faucet my whole life and so have those old parents I mentioned earlier. Government, what good is it???

Posted by: thw2001 | April 19, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I've been saying it for months, now--the problems in Washington are NOT Democratic or Republican. It's simply the incumbents. The incumbents in Washington mostly represent big business and special interest groups; not the voters who elected them. IT'S TIME THE VOTERS REMIND THEM WHO THE BOSS IS.

Posted by: bwshook1 | April 19, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

vageorge,

Really? You really ask this question again? How many times do you have to see proof of something before you believe it? His birth certificate was produced and verified by the State of Hawaii.
The only paper I have seen was a computer generated live birth certificate that even the state of Hawaii did not recognize until recently. The form did not exist until 2001. It is not signed or certified in any way. You could not get a drivers license with it.
Tell me why obama can not produce a certified birth certificate. The govt of Kenya has offered to produce one for him Think about this prior to making stupid uninformed statements

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't trust a single Republican in the House or Senate. I seldom trust Joe Lie-berman. I am very satisfied with the Democrats and their work to get health care reform, but they did not go far enough, there should be a public option at least, or a single payer plan at best. Republicans speak in sound bites that are easy for the dupes to follow. Democrats make the mistake of trying to explain things logically. In post Reagan America, there are not enough people with attention spans to absorb logical explanations. Democrats should hit the repugnants where it hurts, in the sound bites. Speak simply and the simple will understand.
Woebegon has pinpointed a major problem. The news media is too into sensationalism and not enough into news and reporting it. David Gregory is an excellent example of a news man who lets the propagandists spread their garbage without challenge. All of the news media is guilty of over reporting about Tiger Woods, Larry King and others who are in the public eye. They also give too much media time to a splinter group of Republicans who are passing themselves off as "grass roots movement, the Tea Party. I would rather hear fingernails scraping on a black board than to hear Sara Palin screaming in screechy voice, “Do you luv your freedom?” Tea bagger complaints have nothing to do with reality, but they get more airtime than their tiny numbers deserve. Did you hear? Tea Party members are highly educated. That was reported on the news this weekend, but very recently the Quinnipiac poll reported just the opposite to be true. What a load of horse droppings!

Posted by: rbeigher | April 19, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I would like to recover the feeling that the majority rules and is represented. Whether I approve or not.

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 4:01 PM
-------------------------------------
Sure you would.

How about the 65 million Americans who voted for President Obama in November, 2008, only 17 months ago. When do they get to "rule" and "be represented". Never? Or when the 57 million Americans who voted Republican DECIDE so?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

It really ticks me off when the fire department shows up quickly to put out a big fire before it spreads to my house. I'm especially upset with garbage pickup, it has been regular for years now, except in the massive blizzard. And don't me started on Social Security, it has been sending checks to my very old parents for over two decades without fail all this time. They don't use Medicare, Tricare covers them 'cuase they served in two wars. The cops show up right away every time someone in my town calls them. And I cannot remember the last time my capital city was conquered by an invading army from north or south of the border!!! My water could be more pure but I've been drinkin' from the faucet my whole life and so have those old parents I mentioned earlier. Government, what good is it???

Posted by: thw2001 | April 19, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Comrade_Zero,

Your screen name is fitting; your comments make zero sense.

Posted by: pathfinder12 | April 19, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Here’s the math:

Step 1: How many jobs does the Administration currently claim there would be, without stimulus?

129.7 million Current number of U.S. jobs

- 2.8 million Jobs currently claimed to be “created or saved”

126.9 million Jobs the Administration currently claims there would be without stimulus

Step 2: How does that compare with the number of jobs the Administration used to say there would be without stimulus?


133.9 million January 2009 projection of jobs without stimulus

- 126.9 million Current claim of jobs without stimulus

= 7 million Jobs removed from the Administration “baseline” to justify their latest stimulus job creation claims

Here’s the story problem:

This year 11-year old Jane’s class is studying money and budgets. In September every student wrote down their savings, and what they wanted in savings by the end of school in June. Jane started with $134, but wants to do better and have $137 ($3 more) saved by year’s end. She figures that will be easy, since she will get birthday money in a few months. But now it’s late May, and Jane has only $130, because she spent her birthday money, and then some. What should Jane do in her final report on the savings project?

Be honest and admit she didn’t reach her goals of $3 more in savings, totaling $137, due to her spending habits; or
Say at the start of the year she only “really” thought she would have $127 saved by year’s end, and claim “success” for ending up with $3 more than that and see if her teacher notices.


she could help berry balance the books.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

“We are a nation that has forgotten what made us great. “
America was great when it fought AGAINST imperialism, not when it embodied it. But America’s greatest was in part fiction. America was founded by people who committed genocide to the indigenous peoples, then shipped Africans over to toil away in order to make white men rich. America’s wealth was made on the backs of slavery and weapons manufacturing – not exactly the most honorable virtues. Finally, America has always chosen capitalism over socialism – which means that profits and the market will always be more important than people. Republicans embody that system more than any other (imperialism, racism and profits).

Posted by: francinelast | April 19, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't trust a single Republican in the House or Senate. I seldom trust Joe Lie-berman. I am very satisfied with the Democrats and their work to get health care reform, but they did not go far enough, there should be a public option at least, or a single payer plan at best. Republicans speak in sound bites that are easy for the dupes to follow. Democrats make the mistake of trying to explain things logically. In post Reagan America, there are not enough people with attention spans to absorb logical explanations. Democrats should hit the repugnants where it hurts, in the sound bites. Speak simply and the simple will understand.
Woebegon has pinpointed a major problem. The news media is too into sensationalism and not enough into news and reporting it. David Gregory is an excellent example of a news man who lets the propagandists spread their garbage without challenge. All of the news media is guilty of over reporting about Tiger Woods, Larry King and others who are in the public eye. They also give too much media time to a splinter group of Republicans who are passing themselves off as "grass roots movement, the Tea Party. I would rather hear fingernails scraping on a black board than to hear Sara Palin screaming in screechy voice, “Do you luv your freedom?” Tea bagger complaints have nothing to do with reality, but they get more airtime than their tiny numbers deserve. Did you hear? Tea Party members are highly educated. That was reported on the news this weekend, but very recently the Quinnipiac poll reported just the opposite to be true. What a load of horse droppings!

Posted by: rbeigher | April 19, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Considering that it was the Republican Party that brought the country (and the world) to the level of hopelessness, it's beyond comprehension why anyone in their right minds would vote them in again. They are the party of big business, they are the party of the banks, they are the party of war and profits over people. Obama inherited the crappiest state of affairs in decades and is slowly trying to put things right. If the Republicans win in November, this country will go to the dogs forever. I can imagine that no other country will have any respect for the US.
======================================================================================

I again state that this problem and issue with a distrust of Govt is NOT a GOP vs. Dem issue. If you want to point a finger for the economic woes we are still in you really need to look at who pushed for the repeal of the "glass-steagall act" and who was overseeing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack. It wasn't the GOP. I will agree that the GOP has had and still has issues... but so does the other side of the aisle... especially on the financial collaspe. What really matters now is what is done to fix the mess created.. by both sides.. and what is going to be done to put in place representatives who listen to the wishes of the people and operate within a balanced budget without deficits.

Posted by: tbastian | April 19, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

All this talk of fiscal conservatism by Republicans and their supporters is pretty amusing in light of the fact that the Iraq war, the illegal war initiated by George W. Bush and friends, cost this nation 1.8 trillion dollars. That is fact.
And these people complain about the cost of healthcare, which could BENEFIT all Americans...
Give me a break.....

Posted by: feministobserver1 | April 19, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

There are at least three additional reasons to be really angry at the national government: Lobbyists, Lobbyists, and Lobbyists!

Anybody can be as angry at the government as they like for any reason they think or imagine. Being angry at the government is like being angry at the weather. I wonder why so many people angry at the government seem to have so little anger to direct at investment banking lobbyists, Health Care Insurance Industry Lobbyists and all the news you ever wanted to hear just the way you wanted to hear it at FOX News(?). I am a bit weary of all the stirred up anger at "Big Government" bankrolled by lobbyist who see the government as a cash cow if not a wholly owned subsidiary of privately owned but mostly government financed industries. I’m very weary of the “tea parties” who talk about themselves as the (only) (real) (true) “American People.” The major problem with the Obama administration is that it has not been progressive enough or skillful enough to deliver on the reforms promised.

Posted by: schymtz | April 19, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

No one likes what Obama and his cronies have done to destroy this nation is such a short time. We have had it up to our eyeballs with his spending. The line is in the sand and we are finished.
This group of know nothings have created havoc, are inept and need to be voted out asap. You can count on us to be at the polls and work as hard to elect fiscal conservatives. Obama has no clue what he is doing and we cannot stand his radical views. Pelosi and Reid are no better. We have been lied to, double talked, given fraudulent numbers on the health care takeover while they hid behind doors like the little cowards they truly are and used every gimmick in the book to pass a worthless bill no one with an IQ over 60 would want. So any one who trusts this government with Obama at the helm has to be down right dumb.

Posted by: greatgran1
__________________________________________
greatgran, do me a favor, go back 5 years, substitute the word "Bush" wherever you see "Obama" on your post, and re-read it. It's all based (or biased) on your personal perspective, but your rant is way over the top... "destroy the nation"... Sorry, but I didn't see any smoldering wreckage when I went outside to go to work this morning. What exactly has this Administration destroyed, other than your own sense of entitlement?
Besides anyone with an IQ over 60, as you so eloquently put it, would understand that for the likes of you and me, that healthcare bill is going to save me money. Period. So to rail against this healthcare bill in order to fit your ideology while it saves you money, that's even dumber!

Posted by: PeterPamZ | April 19, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I think the media has created a lot of this "anit-government" feelings by covering the "tea party" and only covering "negative" political stories. We never hear that the economy is rebounding-- consumer confidence is up, stock market is up, businesses are seeing profits. We never hear from the voters or public that are happy and supportive of the President. Instead the media only covers the negative because they want a fight in November-- it will be a good story!!

Posted by: Jaimers | April 19, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama plays eight times more golf than George W Bush

And he spends three times as much.

and he surrenders, well, always.

And his GPA is half as much. Oh wait, we have no idea.

and he has no press conferences

and he is never seen without his trusty teleprompter

and his strategy for Iran is.........check back next year.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The thing that is funny about this is truly why would the Congress be concerned about what people think. They haven't in quite a long time. Plus they know that the apathy in the US is so great that peoples concerns will probably have little effect on election outcomes or congressional attitude.

Those that are in trouble, just before the election will do their "smoke and mirror" work with some kind of negative campaigning against their opponent and whoever is the nastiest and scariest will win.

Posted by: fkb3 | April 19, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

vageorge,

Really? You really ask this question again? How many times do you have to see proof of something before you believe it? His birth certificate was produced and verified by the State of Hawaii.

Posted by: pathfinder12 | April 19, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Pres. Obama is coming to LA to raise funds for Sen. Boxer. She is in need of retirement. Hopefully what Pres. did for Corzine he'll do for Boxer.

Posted by: mgregory29 | April 19, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Actually I have never considered myself as a Democrat or a Republican. I have always maintained that would vote for the best person for the job regardless of their party. It used to be a hard decision at times but now it is a lot easier. Considering the results of the last election. I am still an independent voter but I will vote to get rid of the crap we have in office now. I would like to recover the feeling that the majority rules and is represented. Whether I approve or not.

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Just as many people do not trust and like the WPOST as well. Hmmm...Cheers

Posted by: Finn_McCool | April 19, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Between the years 2001-2009 we loved our government. During that period the government didn't lie to us. We trusted our fearless leader. We were Busheviks.

Posted by: whocares666 | April 19, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

That's it!! I have had enough of you republicans and far rightists trashing the current administration with the old but pathetic idea that an administrations attempts to help the poor and middle class is nothing more than communism. I would suugest that all of you take out a textbook and research what communism is. It is far more than a country helping out its poor. Shame on all of you for stating that we as a nation have no obligation to help out those in need.I am disgusted by those who seem to believe that those who are poor are simply lazy and not trying hard enough. YOu know that every society has its poor simply because there aren't enough jobs to go around and this problem is esculating as time goes on. At a time when a very large percentage of our citizens are suffering, you would think that we would want to support one another. Instead, all I hear are the vindictive cries of those who have to settle with less.So what that you can't go on your stupid expensive trips or afford your luxury cars. Too bad you can't go out more often. Atleast many of you are surviving. Do you know what it is like to watch cancer patients die because they can't afford mdeical care because our society thinks that thosse with moeny should be the ones who get the treatment? What makes you think that those with money are any more special than those without? Where are you hearts and your brains? Have we become that selfish? Allowing republicans back into office is only allowing the return of the economy to businesses whose very nature is to rip people off and to find ways to get the most for the least possible. We have seen that in all of our republican administrations. It is this premise which got us into the situation we are now. Obama isn't perfect because atleast he is trying to trun the tables in favor of those who have nothing. He is not asking alot from most of us. The amount he is asking could better our world and make things alittle more even throughout society. I just can't believe that after what happened with housing market and the war, anyone would want to return power to the republicans who had a key interest in seeing things go bad! Bush and Cheney certainly made out well despite the disaster. Stop being morons guys. Open your hearts and see what helping each other can do to the economy instead of being so selfish!

Posted by: trent1a1 | April 19, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

What are teabaggers drinking? Whats in their tea. White tea try some black tea. its better for you. Gonna get your guns? What kind of cowards are you to speak like that? If you are not cowards just shoot or shut up.
Posted by: chingon_iah
-------------------------------------------
What kind of thinly disguised racist garbage is this? Try living in the human race. Get rid of your archaic obsession with skin pigment. I realize it is important for Alinskyists to change the subject from what is really happening but really what are you D baggers drinking.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Cost cutting is part of the problem, as are unnecessary costs. When we cut costs, we cut jobs. When we cut jobs, we cut potential income and potential revenue. However, I don't see a need for spending on some items, such as studies and more studies when studies have already been done, and I think we spend too much on our Interstate system, and we certainly need to divest from General Motors and some of our unneeded wars! However, with a lot of businesses and states budget slashing and slashing and slashing, is there any wonder so many people are out of work and so many services - both public and private - are vanishing? Why do you think our economy is still in a funk? BECAUSE TOO MUCH CUTTING IS GOING ON! So, if not more government, then what should be done to increase investment in jobs? If lowering taxes is your answer, then how do you expect companies to start investing more? Maybe they'll just take the savings, report them as profit, and stay downsized. What's the incentive?

Posted by: rickyrab | April 19, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I am a member of the GOP and pretty conservative. I am not a tea-party member or a nut case listening to talk show hosts all day. I just think that Govt needs to be responsible and find a way to live within it's means just like we all do. I don't think that is too much to ask for.

Posted by: tbastian | April 19, 2010 3:50 PM
-------------------------------
No, I don't think it is too much to ask for. But, what cuts would you make. Most of the federal government budget is defense and medicare/ss. What would you cut?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama plays eight times more golf than George W Bush

President Barack Obama has played golf 32 times since he took office, eight times more than his predecessor George W. Bush - who was mocked by the Left for his fondness for the game - did in his entire presidency.
Mr Obama's latest outing on the links came on Sunday, when an opportunity opened up on his schedule after flying bans over most of northern and central Europe forced him to cancel his trip to Krakow to attend the funeral of Lech Kaczynski, the Polish president.

Mr Obama's Sunday golf game prompted anger in Poland, where the Warsaw Business Post carried a headline reading: "Obama goes golfing instead of attending Kaczynskis' funeral".

Now if it had been Castro's funeral, he would not have missed it if he had to take a floating Chevy there.

On the upside, as long as his hands are on his clubs, they're not in my pocket.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

What's not to like?

The government grows like a weed, doesn't solve any problems, never eliminates any poorly performing programs, and pays its people far above what the average private sector employee earns.

The politicians take money from lobbyists, but somehow it isn't graft or bribery. They gerrymander their districts to favor incumbents, but somehow that isn't crooked.

Wonder what all the fuss is about?

Posted by: Opinionator | April 19, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"Says the out of work mooch.
Posted by: Comrade_Zero"

well you would know, wouldn't you.

seriouly, get yourself a girlfriend or something. you really embarrass yourself with this obsession.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'm relieved. Instead of the gun rally, all the really nasty people are inside posting. Whew!

Posted by: bgreen2224 | April 19, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Considering that it was the Republican Party that brought the country (and the world) to the level of hopelessness, it's beyond comprehension why anyone in their right minds would vote them in again. They are the party of big business, they are the party of the banks, they are the party of war and profits over people. Obama inherited the crappiest state of affairs in decades and is slowly trying to put things right. If the Republicans win in November, this country will go to the dogs forever. I can imagine that no other country will have any respect for the US.

Posted by: francinelast | April 19, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

OH MY GOD!!!! THERE'S A BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE MA! AND THOSE CONGRESS PEOPLE ARE HANDING OUT RIGHTS LEFT AND RIGHT TO PEOPLE WHO AIN'T JUST LIKE US! SOME OF THEM MIGHT EVEN BE MUSLIMS OR HOMOS. GET YER GUN! WE'RE GOING TO WASHERINGTON!

Posted by: CAC2 | April 19, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

OH MY GOD!!!! THERE'S A BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE MA! AND THOSE CONGRESS PEOPLE ARE HANDING OUT RIGHTS LEFT AND RIGHT TO PEOPLE WHO AIN'T JUST LIKE US! SOME OF THEM MIGHT EVEN BE MUSLIMS OR HOMOS. GET YER GUN! WE'RE GOING TO WASHERINGTON!

Posted by: CAC2 | April 19, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The Borgen Project (borgenproject.org) is always working on that issue. It meet with congressional leaders and insure that they know about poverty nationally and internationally.

Posted by: sara13 | April 19, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

It would appear the monkeys are doing all their thinking with their spleens these days. Evolution isn't a one-way street after all.

Posted by: Capn0ok | April 19, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

After eight years of Bush who could blame them but he's not prez anymore so get over it. Now we hear the republican senators have secretly met with wall street titans to develop their plan for killing Democratic proposed wall street reform. Republicans are pond scum and traitors to the American people.

Posted by: Alka-Seltzer | April 19, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Spending to get this country out of a recession is destruction of the country?

Spending to build up this country is destruction of this country?

Creation of jobs is destruction of this country?

Ensuring Americans have better access to health care is destruction of this country?

I see an intact America around me. I don't really see much in the way of wrecking balls, except perhaps some which might be driven by the Tea Party and Republican detractors.

Posted by: rickyrab
-------------------------------------------
You have never had a job or family right?
That's not an accusation if you attended a failing public school.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why people are distrustful of government now. This administration promised us one thing and then screwed us over with something else. At no time in history have the wishes of the American people been ignored like they have in the last year. Every program government tries to run turns out to be an abysmal failure yet their every move is designed to take over even more of our lives. We don't want someone else to run our lives for us and certainly not the incompetents in power now.

Posted by: 3boysmountainmom | April 19, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

What is being seen in America is not as much a Republican vs. Democrat issue but an issue of Govt. needs to change across the board. Now granted there is a lot of hatred about Bush and a lot of hatred about Obama which is helping to fuel the debate... but this has been a long time coming and America is starting to wake up.

Deficit spending is out of control, entitlements are out of control and we ( as Americans ) elected Obama.. not me personally but a majority of Americans.... to provide the change this country needs.

What people have seen is just more of the same and nothing has really changed. It is still business as usual and Americans are trying to tell our reprentatives either you change NOW or we will find someone who will change the way Govt does business.

These people need to learn to do more with less... the way any business operates or any individual on a budget. No longer can Govt just increase spending every year and continue to grow at the rate it has been. It is not sustainable.

I am a member of the GOP and pretty conservative. I am not a tea-party member or a nut case listening to talk show hosts all day. I just think that Govt needs to be responsible and find a way to live within it's means just like we all do. I don't think that is too much to ask for.

Posted by: tbastian | April 19, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I am an American...Once so proud...
Does that even have any meaning anymore?

This is not Democrats v. Republicans.
This is not black v. white.
This is about integrity...doing the right thing...with a moral compass as our guide.

Payoffs, kick-backs, corruption, selling out the American people one value at a time. Watching everything the American people built slowly erode.

What government? Who do they work for?

The issues run deep...but the truth runs even deeper.

We are a nation that has forgotten what made us great. Unity...a government for the people, by the people...freedom to speak our minds.

Where is the industry that allowed us to prosper? The kind where the CEO's and founding members cared about longevity, quality, their patrons, and even their employees. You know, if we renovate and spend big, big money on only the top part of our house and we never see to the foundation, eventually the whole house crumbles.

Industry has forgotten it's workers...neighbor has forgotten neighbor...and Government has forgotten it's people.

Posted by: devon99 | April 19, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

We got "change" to the BIGGEST "tax and spender of all time" and the taxpayer is being "rope a doped". There are more than a few disappointed people who voted for Obama. There are also more than a few who have not participated in most elections that have had enough of this irresponsible spending and debt. They are going to rallies and will be now voting. NO to IRS enforced healthcare. NO to carbon taxes. NO to V.A.T taxes. YES to earned success!

Posted by: Donald9 | April 19, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

What are teabaggers drinking? Whats in their tea. White tea try some black tea. its better for you. Gonna get your guns? What kind of cowards are you to speak like that? If you are not cowards just shoot or shut up.

Posted by: chingon_iah | April 19, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I would bet that "the government" (read Congress) doesn't like most Americans, either, no matter what our political beliefs. Their disdain for us is palpable and their attitude - that we just don't understand such complex issues and should leave all the decisions to them, because "they know what is best for us" is laughable.

Sadly, gullible people are encouraged by the demagogues of the right to yell, wave silly signs and threaten the government with guns.

Gotta love it.

Posted by: momj47 | April 19, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

It should be a requirement of office that every elected man or woman should have to read the constitution and swear an oath to defend it. Our country is based on the wise words written there. Those that defy it should be brought to trial and dismissed in shame. How many in office now would be dismissed I wonder

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Here WHY:

White House Caught Altering Stimulus Baseline Projection by 7 Million Jobs
by Capitol Confidential

The number of jobs in the U.S. is currently 129.7 million. So to justify the Administration’s current claim of 2.8 million jobs “created or saved” by stimulus, they need to also claim that without that stimulus there would be only 126.9 million jobs. That’s exactly what they do, displayed as the “baseline projection” level in the graphic below from an April 14, 2010 report:

DECEPTION and FRAUD!

Posted by: theaz | April 19, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

They don't quite seem to get the concept that we won, you lost. You know, democratic process and so forth -- civics.

Posted by: drindldrone
-----------------------------------------
If you were so well versed in civics you would know the difference between the government structure the founders laid out versus the egg Obama laid out.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

i am sure you are very happy at walmart -- they treat people so well. maybe you're gettig what you deserve.

Posted by: drindl


Says the out of work mooch.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Bravo, drindl. You always seem to zero in on the logic of matters. Nothing more to say. Your comments says it all. Thank you.

Posted by: janeyre | April 19, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

IS NO WONDER 45-50% AMERICANS OUT OF WORK. NOW JUST IMAGINE IF THE OTHER HALF WERE NOT WORKING TOO. WHAT WOULD YOU DO ? NOW ICELANDS ECONOMY CRASHED AN SO DID GREECE. WHEN ONE CRASHES IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME THAT THEY ALL CRASH. WHY YOU ASK OR THOUGHT ? BECAUSE WE ARE TIED TOGETHER WITH WHOLE WORLD ECONOMY. IT'S VERY LITTLE TIME FOR REST OF US TO TUMBLE DOWN JUST LIKE DOMINOES.

Posted by: JWTX | April 19, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

And this is not wealth redistribution how?

This is a fundamental fallacy of the current government and its supporters.


-----

And what's wrong with wealth redistribution? There are numerous hard-working Americans who could also use the money, so why should the rich keep that money?

Posted by: rickyrab | April 19, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, there is NO independent thought within the Dome of the Dumb. Both Republicans and Democrats are being bought off ($$$$) by big business, banks, drug companies, insurance, big oil, etc. They all speak like robots, with no independent thought. Listen to ANY interview of ANY Congressman or Senator and they all spew the Party line - no independent thought. $$$$$ talks. Try and get ANY one of them to express a personal value and the Party line kicks in every time. The American people DO NOT COUNT - business interest ($$$$$$$) counts.

Posted by: cheshirecat2 | April 19, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Well, the fact that bribes are being used by folks who lobby is the main reason politians are compromised. Most folks do not understand the system and are not sure why they are mad but they do see adults behaving poorly. Like childern with parents who are neglecting them, the public feels betrayed-rightfully so.
Please print the questions; why they are asked and designed & to find what information. Too much manipulation going on here with polls and the press for ratings and $$$.

Posted by: crrobin | April 19, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Our Gov't gets us into unnecessary wars

Our Gov't wants to take your labor and property for its own corrupt purposes

Our Gov't protects the well-connected

Posted by: pgr88 | April 19, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

The Feds get most of our taxes, hence they get the blame, fairly or not. Truth be told: If they weren't around who would fight City Hall for us? Who would guarantee our Civil Rights? The Sheriff, Mayor and State Senator would probably be the richest guys in town. Was it the Fed that used Sovereign Domain to appropriate the homes of regular folk under the guise of the general welfare?
Let's get it straight: Neither Big Government nor a future liberal Supreme Court needs to be our enemy. Not if they remember that both were meant to protect us from the excesses of our local authorities -- back in 1800 States had most of the power.
Then came the IRS, meant to help win the war to end all wars. After the war we unwisely let Washington retain the powers which had been jealously guarded by local authorities; after all, the Fed now had the purse to buy change at home and the guns to empower us abroad, What else does a top Honcho need?
I think it needs some self control, which is unlikely. That leaves us with a Supreme Court that, like in its opinion on sovereign domain, misses its calling. Hopefully, the power of education will one day produce leaders who will stop trying to reinvent America. Big government,whether in the hands of self serving bureaucrats or irrational idealists, whether at the State level or nationally, is a dangerous thing.

Posted by: eliseom | April 19, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

The Feds get most of our taxes, hence they get the blame, fairly or not. Truth be told: If they weren't around who would fight City Hall for us? Who would guarantee our Civil Rights? The Sheriff, Mayor and State Senator would probably be the richest guys in town. Was it the Fed that used Sovereign Domain to appropriate the homes of regular folk under the guise of the general welfare?
Let's get it straight: Neither Big Government nor a future liberal Supreme Court needs to be our enemy. Not if they remember that both were meant to protect us from the excesses of our local authorities -- back in 1800 States had most of the power.
Then came the IRS, meant to help win the war to end all wars. After the war we unwisely let Washington retain the powers which had been jealously guarded by local authorities; after all, the Fed now had the purse to buy change at home and the guns to empower us abroad, What else does a top Honcho need?
I think it needs some self control, which is unlikely. That leaves us with a Supreme Court that, like in its opinion on sovereign domain, misses its calling. Hopefully, the power of education will one day produce leaders who will stop trying to reinvent America. Big government,whether in the hands of self serving bureaucrats or irrational idealists, whether at the State level or nationally, is a dangerous thing.

Posted by: eliseom | April 19, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

The core issue is really quite simple.

The liberal/progressive folks want to "go forward" and complete the task of becoming a "socially responsible" society. From their view a noble cause.

The conservaives want to "go back" to our founding fathers' dream to become a more "personally responsible" society. Their view is that we became the most prosperous and socially responsible society in history and that is in jeopardy of financial collapse.

Posted by: curtbynum | April 19, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Its not big government that people hate right now. Its the black government that they hate. Great job Mr. Recovery President.

Posted by: chingon_iah | April 19, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

The tea baggers are a bunch of corpulent, white, aging burghers who already have it good, but not quite good enough. They're frustrated because they're not in the top 2%-3% who most benefitted from the Reagan and Bush tax cuts. Grafted onto this group are the Christian extremists and the gun defenders busy preparing for the end of the world.

Basically, these are the people who thought Archie Bunker was right.

Posted by: rogied25 | April 19, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

In my lifetime I have seen movements come and go from the American Independent Party in 1968, to "Come clean for Gene (McCarthy)" to Ross Perot to the Tea party movement. All of these have produced a short surge of activity and then died out.
For that reason I now propose to the learned readers of this site, whether liberal or conservative, the formation of a new movement of our own. We can call it the "bowel movement", and our motto will be "who gives a s---"

Posted by: MARKM2 | April 19, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Joe Klein, a fluffer for a declining, little-read propaganda rag called TIME, told MSNBC that Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin were "potentially committing sedition" because of their criticisms of Chairman Zero and his regime.

Klein, as it turns out, has a history of accusing anyone who criticizes Chairman Zero of sedition.
Joe Klein accused Senator (Tom) Coburn of committing sedition in December. He accused FOX News of committing sedition in October.
"You know, I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!"
I may be wrong, but I seem to remember hearing that somewhere before.
Posted by: Comrade_Zero
-------------------------------------------
Yes, our current Secretary of State Hillary was very angry, old, and white when she said it. As for Joe Klein, along with the other Sunday pundits, they are desperately trying to fulfill what their college journalism professors told them was their birthright – Yours is the power to change the world! (in a liberal fashion of course). But how do you explain outside the beltway that nearly 80% of Americans are seditionists?

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Getting people to distrust/reject government's ability to solve problems is a key tactic in the right wing's strategy of ruling while losing elections. Meanwhile, liberals are fixated on elections, thinking they are winning because Republicans lose. Hah!

The right is winning. They control legislation and policy through lobbyists and manipulated populism. More clever than evil, but evil nonetheless.

Posted by: CitizenWhy | April 19, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Hummm.. As far as this discussion is going. It is very true that I personally have not met obama or discussed his reasoning. His motives etc. etc.
But I have never had a personal relationship with a skunk either, but they both smell like a skunk and I want nothing to do with them but to get rid of the smell.

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

OH MY GOD!!!! THERE'S A BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE MA! AND THOSE CONGRESS PEOPLE ARE HANDING OUT RIGHTS LEFT AND RIGHT TO PEOPLE WHO AIN'T JUST LIKE US! SOME OF THEM MIGHT EVEN BE MUSLIMS OR HOMOS. GET YER GUN! WE'RE GOING TO WASHERINGTON!

Posted by: CAC2 | April 19, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Spending to get this country out of a recession is destruction of the country?

Spending to build up this country is destruction of this country?

Creation of jobs is destruction of this country?

Ensuring Americans have better access to health care is destruction of this country?

I see an intact America around me. I don't really see much in the way of wrecking balls, except perhaps some which might be driven by the Tea Party and Republican detractors.

Posted by: rickyrab | April 19, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"No one likes what Obama and his cronies have done to destroy this nation is such a short time. We have had it up to our eyeballs with his spending. The line is in the sand and we are finished."
Thank you for telling me what I think and what I like. I would never have figured it out for myself.
Exactly what, I'd like to know, what has been done to destroy this nation that wasn't already done by November, 2008. If Obama has any legacy beyond fixing Shrub's mess, it'll be a miracle.
If you have an issue with government, you have an issue with your fellow Americans who voted them in.

Posted by: Capn0ok | April 19, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

IS NO WONDER 45-50% AMERICANS OUT OF WORK. NOW JUST IMAGINE IF THE OTHER HALF WERE NOT WORKING TOO. WHAT WOULD YOU DO ? NOW ICELANDS ECONOMY CRASHED AN SO DID GREECE. WHEN ONE CRASHES IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME THAT THEY ALL CRASH. WHY YOU ASK OR THOUGHT ? BECAUSE WE ARE TIED TOGETHER WITH WHOLE WORLD ECONOMY. IT'S VERY LITTLE TIME FOR REST OF US TO TUMBLE DOWN JUST LIKE DOMINOES.

Posted by: JWTX | April 19, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

---------------------------------
"I think THIS post best reveals that the battle is between Republican real Americans (who represent the REAL government, even if out of office temporarily) and the Communist Democrats (who are trying to take over the REAL government). The Democrats are the enemy, the outsiders, the foreign, the minority. In other words, the enemy within.

Now, that is a view of America that justifies all the anger and barely disguised threats of violence, secession and coup. "

That's it-- exactly 12 Bar. These looons don't beleive in government -- unless it's run by rightwingers just like them, who are, you know, the only REAL americans.

They don't quite seem to get the concept that we won, you lost. You know, democratic process and so forth -- civics.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Getting people to distrust/reject government's ability to solve problems is a key tactic in the right wing's strategy of ruling while losing elections. Meanwhile, liberals are fixated on elections, thinking they are winning because Republicans lose. Hah!

The right is winning. They control legislation and policy through lobbyists and manipulated populism. More clever than evil, but evil nonetheless.

Posted by: CitizenWhy | April 19, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

IS NO WONDER 45-50% AMERICANS OUT OF WORK. NOW JUST IMAGINE IF THE OTHER HALF WERE NOT WORKING TOO. WHAT WOULD YOU DO ? NOW ICELANDS ECONOMY CRASHED AN SO DID GREECE. WHEN ONE CRASHES IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME THAT THEY ALL CRASH. WHY YOU ASK OR THOUGHT ? BECAUSE WE ARE TIED TOGETHER WITH WHOLE WORLD ECONOMY. IT'S VERY LITTLE TIME FOR REST OF US TO TUMBLE DOWN JUST LIKE DOMINOES.

Posted by: JWTX | April 19, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

IS NO WONDER 45-50% AMERICANS OUT OF WORK. NOW JUST IMAGINE IF THE OTHER HALF WERE NOT WORKING TOO. WHAT WOULD YOU DO ? NOW ICELANDS ECONOMY CRASHED AN SO DID GREECE. WHEN ONE CRASHES IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME THAT THEY ALL CRASH. WHY YOU ASK OR THOUGHT ? BECAUSE WE ARE TIED TOGETHER WITH WHOLE WORLD ECONOMY. IT'S VERY LITTLE TIME FOR REST OF US TO TUMBLE DOWN JUST LIKE DOMINOES.

Posted by: JWTX | April 19, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"Social Security was designed to provide basic income for the indigent and the middle class upon retirement. It was not created for people who are self-sufficient at retirement, even if they paid into it."

And this is not wealth redistribution how?

This is a fundamental fallacy of the current government and its supporters.

Posted by: smynola06 | April 19, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"Social Security was designed to provide basic income for the indigent and the middle class upon retirement. It was not created for people who are self-sufficient at retirement, even if they paid into it."

And this is not wealth redistribution how?

This is a fundamental fallacy of the current government and its supporters.

Posted by: smynola06 | April 19, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

We have the most corrupt government leaders ever in the history of the country in the Obama administration! These people should be in imprisioned for their abject direlection of duty and lying to the American public!
Obama doesn't think, or act like an American citizen. The man is a disgusting embarassment to American citizens.


Posted by: USDefender | April 19, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

We have the most corrupt government leaders ever in the history of the country in the Obama administration! These people should be in imprisioned for their abject direlection of duty and lying to the American public!
Obama doesn't think, or act like an American citizen. The man is a disgusting embarassment to American citizens.


Posted by: USDefender | April 19, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

The public is unhappy, and blame government, and now Obama for the financial mess we now have. Have any of those grossly unhappy people even considered what we would have right now if the bailouts, and massive spending did not take place? The GOP will undoubtedly benefit from this, but people have to realize that the GOP has nothing to offer,other than different people singing the same tired GOP sayings, which cannot deal with the current GOP caused mess. Look at what the candidates in the GOP primaries are hawking, less regulation lower taxes, more tax incentives for small businesses, smaller government. In hindsight, it looks like the Far Right GOP conservatives who were suggesting bankrupting the Federal Government to force it to shrink were successful. Look how we got here. Deregulation or no regulation, despite laws which could have been enforced, massive tax cuts coupled with two wars which have been financed with borrowed money, ie: no tax increases to pay for them, massive debt incurred by the Bush administration, rubber stamped by the GOP controlled congress, before the financial meltdown. All the GOP wants is to get back into power. To do that, it will say NO! to everything proposed to help Americans. Hopefully, with new laws regulating the financial sector, they will wake up, and start working towards the common good, instead of just what is seen as the good for the GOP, delay, delay, deny, obstruct, and misrepresent, all to tear down confidence in the current government. Considering that they caused the mess, the results of the current surveys are simply amazing.

Posted by: atc333 | April 19, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

No one likes what Obama and his cronies have done to destroy this nation is such a short time. We have had it up to our eyeballs with his spending. The line is in the sand and we are finished.
This group of know nothings have created havoc, are inept and need to be voted out asap. You can count on us to be at the polls and work as hard to elect fiscal conservatives. Obama has no clue what he is doing and we cannot stand his radical views. Pelosi and Reid are no better. We have been lied to, double talked, given fraudulent numbers on the health care takeover while they hid behind doors like the little cowards they truly are and used every gimmick in the book to pass a worthless bill no one with an IQ over 60 would want. So any one who trusts this government with Obama at the helm has to be down right dumb.

Posted by: greatgran1 | April 19, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

My question to certain people: HOW have Obama and other Democrats ignored the U.S. Constitution? What have they done unconstitutionally? And as far as I know, there's nothing unconstitutional about fiddling around with health care or even nationalizing private companies. Nationalization has been done before; it was done during WWI to the railroads or something.

Posted by: rickyrab | April 19, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

No one likes what Obama and his cronies have done to destroy this nation is such a short time. We have had it up to our eyeballs with his spending. The line is in the sand and we are finished.
This group of know nothings have created havoc, are inept and need to be voted out asap. You can count on us to be at the polls and work as hard to elect fiscal conservatives. Obama has no clue what he is doing and we cannot stand his radical views. Pelosi and Reid are no better. We have been lied to, double talked, given fraudulent numbers on the health care takeover while they hid behind doors like the little cowards they truly are and used every gimmick in the book to pass a worthless bill no one with an IQ over 60 would want. So any one who trusts this government with Obama at the helm has to be down right dumb.

Posted by: greatgran1 | April 19, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I saw this story on CNN this morning and the article above doesn't quite reflect what was actually SAID in the piece. (Like Obama's personal numbers were good, definitely good in comparison to that of Congress.) This story also failed to mention that a big issue with Americans is their distrust of big business, the banking industry, and the MEDIA. Yet this article doesn't mention that at all. This article also doesn't mention how only roughly 1% of non-whites are teabaggers (which may be partly why some people perceive them as being a racist group). It's a shame the anger, deserved, at Congress doesn't extend to the news media. They do the world a disservice. Where once they reported the news without editorializing, now every story seems to have an angle of some sort (unless it's, say, Anderson Cooper or Christiane Amanpour). There's a stench of the tabloid to today's media (does the world really care what movie star is cheating and with whom?) that needs to be eradicated. Get back to reporting the news, and not sensationalizing it. Of course, given who owns most of the 'big media' today (be it radio, network or cable, print)--in other words, controls what gets on/in the news--we should distrust the news outlets as much as we distrust our representatives. Failing that, we should demand our news organizations go back to being just that--news organizations.

Posted by: woebegoner | April 19, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

It is the Democrats in office who hate our form of government and seek to take our Republic and turn it into a Communist state. Hence it is them that are anti-our-government.

True Americans are trying to preserve the Republic and do that which the Democrats refuse to do, which is to defend and uphold the U.S. Constitution, which guarantees us all a Republican form of government. We want a republican government of law that actually governs, as per the U.S. Constitution. We don't want a dictatorship that takes over and rules us!

Debra J.M. Smith
InformingChristians.com

Posted by: DebraJMSmith | April 19, 2010 3:18 PM
---------------------------------
I think THIS post best reveals that the battle is between Republican real Americans (who represent the REAL government, even if out of office temporarily) and the Communist Democrats (who are trying to take over the REAL government). The Democrats are the enemy, the outsiders, the foreign, the minority. In other words, the enemy within.

Now, that is a view of America that justifies all the anger and barely disguised threats of violence, secession and coup.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

One question re: the "socialist" accusation: Why do people think socialism is necessarily bad for freedom and liberty? (And "What are you smoking" and anything about Kool-Aid are not answers, so don't bother with that sort of response.) I wonder if there is any way to make socialism compatible with freedom, liberty, competition, and the ability to choose for oneself.

P.S. Yeah, the Soviet Union was a dictatorship and Joseph Stalin was a cruel dictator. But the Soviet Union != socialism in general, it was just a perversion of socialism.

Posted by: rickyrab | April 19, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

It is the Democrats in office who hate our form of government and seek to take our Republic and turn it into a Communist state. Hence it is them that are anti-our-government.

True Americans are trying to preserve the Republic and do that which the Democrats refuse to do, which is to defend and uphold the U.S. Constitution, which guarantees us all a Republican form of government. We want a republican government of law that actually governs, as per the U.S. Constitution. We don't want a dictatorship that takes over and rules us!

Debra J.M. Smith
InformingChristians.com
++++++++++++++++
Umm, Debbie (can I call you Debbie, you seem like a Debbie), methinks you might need a civics lesson, especially if you run a website that presumes to educate people.

Posted by: Angoose | April 19, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Get real people it's got nothing to do with his being black, The hatred is stirred by his actions and socialistic ways

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 3:13 PM
-------------------------------------
Sorry, we don't believe you. What you DO (Tea Party rallies, signs, guns, et al) speaks so loudly, we can't hear your denials.


I doubt seriously that you have the intelligence to read the facts and make a decision. You would not believe grandmother

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

sylvia9: Exactly right about polls. on good friday wapo had a poll on the frontpage about disatisfaction about HCR bill. only at the end of the article did it mention that of 1,009 poll respondents, 94% were white, and 73% conservative. not exactly a true representation of 130,000,000 voters. Polls said that nov/08 prez race was too close to call when it certainly wasn't. who out there votes because of what a poll says? polling companys and the media are in cahoots with each other. how about polls like wapo/abc or WSJ/NBC? media driven polls driving media driven controversies. it's a vicious cycle, and the public is the worst for it. Too bad reporters would rather cite polls instead of digging up facts and truth about politician's statements.

Posted by: katem1 | April 19, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Mark, BB, part of the issue is that there are a lot of people who are worse off than they were when Obama took office. There has been net job loss under him. And those who were feeling the effects of the crashed economy even before Obama certainly haven't seen an improvement. Obviously this is not the Dems' fault, but I do think a lot of people blame them. Especially given that a lot of people who are natural Republicans who voted for Obama in 2008 don't see the same reason to do so this year since their leap of faith has not been immediately rewarded.

Yeah, it would be nice if people showed a bit more patience, but that's not how we are as a country.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 19, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

As usual Pew asked the wrong questions and got the wrong answers.
In profiling my friends of 40 years, those who got tea bagger's disease.
It dates back to an attitude they had 30 years ago.
Their fathers were racists. They were pro-Vietnam
They have received far more from society than they have contributed to it:
Living off Mama, The Wife, Trust fund, Inheritance, or Government assistance.
They will not admit this though.
They never questioned the norms, Religion, Law, Authorities, TV etc.
They were educated when they were young, but have learned nothing since.
They think of themselves as successes, as self made men and women but.
They are failures even by their own standards.
Now TV, and you know who I mean, tells them follow me and be stupid.
The Confederates, The Segregation lists, The Anti health care people.
They all shouted “government out of our lives”.
They all needed a disenfranchised class. In the 1960s it was Negros.
Now it is emigrants and sick.
In fact they are simply on the wrong side of history.

Posted by: Richard1231 | April 19, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

When you are incapable of having a reasonable dialog, by all mean throw out the race card. I personally don't care what race our president is, but I do not trust the government to do what is right and best for the country. Perhaps we distrust our government because none of them seem capable of telling the truth and an inordinate amount of them are crooks. Maybe we don't trust them because they tell you what you want to hear and then turn around and do what they "know" is best for you. When politicians are in it for number one - why should we trust them? Why should government try to solve any problems when instead they can just pour more of our money into systems and programs that are not working.

Posted by: RGemsen | April 19, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

No arrests on savage senseless beating outside Brennan's Restaurant, and no report by the Washington Post. www.amadcow.org Obviously Democrats are important, and threats must be taken seriously to the party that builds a more corrupt and irresponsible government. Break the legs of the other guys, no big deal. Bite their fingers off, no big deal.

Posted by: amadcow | April 19, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I do have a question. Why won't obama produce proof of his birth and end the controversy. Why is it hidden ? I know when something is held in secrecy and hidden it does become a suspicious item. If he is honestly qualified why won't he disprove all the rhetoric?

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Let us keep this simple......

1. Intelligent people know that the stimulus was just a give away to the pet projects of democrats. Hardly anything that works to fix the economy.

2. The complete arrogance of the administration in shoving down a health care bill when 60/40 opposed it???

3. This stuff, in the face of other unfunded liabilities that will send the US off a financial cliff. Check out what is happening in Greece..

Is that enough for you??????

Posted by: jindy60 | April 19, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

We don’t dislike the government.
We dislike the communist insurgents who have infiltrated the government.
:)

Posted by: rexreddy | April 19, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter how dissatisfied voters are with their Congressional representatives when the ballots are restricted to only a few individuals who have been vetted by the respective party hierarchy. No matter who anyone votes for, nothing changes because the party controls everything. Politics is not a member of Republican or Democrat, it's a matter of up or down and the "ups" make sure that the "downs" won't be able to vote for anyone who isn't an "up". It's still like Lucy Parsons said: those in power will never let anyone vote away their power.

Posted by: DonAlbertson | April 19, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

This President and this Congress, more than any other time, has shown the People that they are in charge and they will do whatever they want, good or bad. They are spedning money as though there were no tomorrow. They disregard and tune out the People who do not agree with their evil agenda.

We are no longer a Republic , rather Obama has nudged us into Socialism and given the opportunity, he will bring in full blown Marxism.

In the past 20 years, there has been NO government agency that did it's job the way it should have been done. The People have been let down in cases of emergency and dire cisrcumstances, yet the Presidents and Congress have saved other countries around the world, or at least have given out billions of our dollars - for what?

America has been hated all over the world, not because of the American People but because of our rotten government. The American People do not create war, its been our money and power hungry government.

Our government does not serve the People, rather the politicians serve themselves while the People foot the bill. The American People did not cause this recession, rather it was our corrupt government and the money grubbing banks, Wall Street and the other corrupt power players.

We have no government for the People. We are left holding the bag and footing all the bills. As far as I am concerned the whole government with all the corrupt politicians should be tried for Treason and put to death.

Posted by: aaniko | April 19, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

It is the Democrats in office who hate our form of government and seek to take our Republic and turn it into a Communist state. Hence it is them that are anti-our-government.

True Americans are trying to preserve the Republic and do that which the Democrats refuse to do, which is to defend and uphold the U.S. Constitution, which guarantees us all a Republican form of government. We want a republican government of law that actually governs, as per the U.S. Constitution. We don't want a dictatorship that takes over and rules us!

Debra J.M. Smith
InformingChristians.com

Posted by: DebraJMSmith | April 19, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Response the following from tqmek1:

"The Health Care bill is expected to cut the deficit by 1 trillion over 20 years. Republicans just like to keep saying that it will increase taxes without any evidence."

Its the disingenuous nature of the above claim that makes many of us (I'm not a Repub) furious. All the spending is up front & most of the revenue to pay for it is after BO's 2nd term - totally dependent on future Admins/Congress to apply the pain - never gonna happen. Half the alleged revenue is from Medicaid/Care "savings," whatever that is. Supposed to get a bunch from a tax on tanning beds - the week after bill's passage, BO submitted plans to ban teenagers use of tanning beds - there goes that money. Huge chunk of revenue to be from 40pct tax on cadillac healthcare plans: How many of those do you think will get restructured to avoid the 40pct? It's all smoke and mirrors and we're sick of it.

Posted by: bilcas33 | April 19, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

dswanson2609,

You do realize that the economy collapsed because of deregulation, not regulation? Just wondering.

Posted by: pathfinder12 | April 19, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Why do people dislike the government?

Because FOX told them that the government was bad.

They seem to have forgotten they THEY ARE the government in the U.S.A. I guess they hate themselves.

Maybe they should look at the influences that are disrupting the government like corporate special interest groups.

Posted by: glacy3 | April 19, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Get real people it's got nothing to do with his being black, The hatred is stirred by his actions and socialistic ways

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 3:13 PM
-------------------------------------
Sorry, we don't believe you. What you DO (Tea Party rallies, signs, guns, et al) speaks so loudly, we can't hear your denials.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

People are tired of arrogance; uncontrolled spending; politicians with no moral compass; politicians who will say or do anything to remain in power (BOTH PARTIES); politicians who talk down to average Americans (are you listening Pelosi, Reid and Obama??); politicians who manipulate issues to their favor, but at the expense of citizens; and politicians who lie, cheat and steal as a way of life! They are collectively RUINING our country. Some of our former allies think we are FOOLS!

Yes, we are mad; and yes, we come from all parties! RIght now, if a person is in office -- regardless of party, I feel they should be thrown out!! Feel that we -- the people -- should be VOTING ON THEIR COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS -- they have proven they do not have the ethics to vote for their compensation. They will merely STEAL FROM THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT -- and call it A LAW!!

YES MS PELOSI; MR. REID and MR. OBAMA, WE ARE MAD!

Posted by: wheeljc | April 19, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

So what is the alternative? Total anarchy? I will not skirt the issue or mince words. Many will vehemently deny it and start squawking "race card" in an attempt to project their sins on to me, but I strongly feel that the ugly mood is based on the fact that the president is non-white and everything he does or says is viewed through that filter. The presidency of the U.S. is the highest position of authority in the land, and those undereducated and bigoted whites who were feeling insecure to start with, are going after the current president with claw and nail, brandishing guns and threatening violence if they can't have their way. The hallmark of a bully is deep insecurity. Weapons thus become an extension of their personal power. They may as well come on out and admit it---what they really want is to kill or least make the president suffer. They make a poorly disguised attempt to hide their true feelings behind "the right to carry guns," even though the president has never proposed ANY gun legislation. Jesus said that if you hate someone you are already a murderer.

Posted by: Artisan1 | April 19, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to examine the part national media organizations play in all of this so-called "government hatred." I think the journalists, as a whole, are lazy. I'm sure all of them pounced on the PEW report like it was meat for a hungry mongrel because it gave them some validation, and they don't have to research, just spout off. I don't find any difference among the journalists or the pundits, and I'm starting to look at PBS with questions too.

Posted by: sylvia9 | April 19, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Why do so many comments here refer to a black man in office??? Are they trying to stir the racial pie? Most of the racial comments come from the democrats and the ignorant people that have not studied the facts. They have always relied on the oppressed black syndrome. It's B S Most of the voters are absolutely pissed because of the actions of this govt. We have a lot of black politicians and organizations that do not like anything about obama> Get real people it's got nothing to do with his being black, The hatred is stirred by his actions and socialistic ways

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

The administration's backlash against the Tea Party movement reminds me of a classic political cartoon that was published in the New Yorker back in the 1980's. In that cartoon, two soviet Communist Party hacks (in uniform) are gazing out a window at protestors supporting the Solidarity movement, and one commie says to the other "[expletive] Workers!"

In 1927 Lenin, addressing dock workers, gave a famous speech on freedom of the press (opposing same) in which Lenin stated that 'nobody has the right to criticize a government for doing what it thinks is right'. That is chillingly similar to Obama's criticism of the Tea Party.

Posted by: MARKM2 | April 19, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse


What Cillizza didn't mention is that billions have been spent with the express purpose of discrediting government. The health care industry alone spent on average $15 million a week last year funding the anti-government tea party and other activities. When government takes on an industry (health insurance, wall street, polluters), as the Obama administration often does, the industry fights back. That accounts for a majority of the rabid anti-government opinions. Corrupt industries using their deep pockets to mislead ignorant people.

Posted by: maximumken | April 19, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The Supreme Court appointment of President G.W. Bush was a one-off. Vote for GOP and tea party candidates!

9/11 was a one-off. Vote for GOP and tea party candidates!

The financial collapse was a one-off. Vote for GOP and tea party candidates!

Illegal wire-tapping of American citizens was a one-off. Vote for GOP and tea party candidates!

Hate-filled, ignorant Americans protesting the actions of a duly elected Black president are one-offs. Vote for GOP and tea party candidates!

Vote for GOP and tea party candidates, and prove that the two hundred-plus year old American experiment in Democracy is a one-off.

Posted by: queenofromania | April 19, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Three thoughts:
1. American opinion about their govenment is based on what "popular media" represents is happening. All privately owned news outlets now broadcast "more views than news". Major parts of print and television are owned by Ruport Murdoch who historically has no qualms about destabilizing social and political institutions in pursuit of filling his pockets with huge amounts of "20 pieces of silver".
I would think that identifying network preference among those polled might led to different conclusions.
3. Your headline and claims to "lowest ever" seem betrayed by the historic chart in the first few pages of the report which seems to show that 1994 results were equal if not lower
You really need to just stop your report at " the discontent toward the federal government runs far stronger among Republicans " and leave out your editorial that it "appears to be directly correlated with voter intensity". Being loud rude, and obnoxious is a form of intensity, I admit. But equally intense are the far greater number of Republicans and Democrats alike who know their parties failed to encourage good governance and that change is in itself frustrating. But the greater number of us are working every waking (and sleeping for some) hour to bring America back from the brink which both the Republican and Democrat Party leadership and members allowed this nation to plummet toward. Government is not to blame--its the two political parties.
I believe it is those who actually do work (or want to work) who are the most intense-- not the media darlings of the moment.
The Party who should be favored is the one that can capture that intensity. At the moment, that is not the Republican Party.

Posted by: Cynd | April 19, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Read a good sample of the posts to this article and you quickly come to the conclsion just about everybody is unhappy with government if it does not do what you believe it should; IOW one's satisfaction or dissatisfaction is directly correlated to what each individual sees government doing for he/she.

Generally speaking those espousing love for Bush style governance are all for more tax cuts and a redistribution of wealth to the top; those for a more socialized approach want to tax the rich and use spread the money around to others. In both cases these advocates see government not as an instrument to govern in the public interest but as a giant income redistribution scheme along idealogical lines.

Until we, the people, can come up with a relatively consistent definition as to the role of government we will continue to have this argument.

Posted by: bobfbell | April 19, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Read a good sample of the posts to this article and you quickly come to the conclsion just about everybody is unhappy with government if it does not do what you believe it should; IOW one's satisfaction or dissatisfaction is directly correlated to what each individual sees government doing for he/she.

Generally speaking those espousing love for Bush style governance are all for more tax cuts and a redistribution of wealth to the top; those for a more socialized approach want to tax the rich and use spread the money around to others. In both cases these advocates see government not as an instrument to govern in the public interest but as a giant income redistribution scheme along idealogical lines.

Until we, the people, can come up with a relatively consistent definition as to the role of government we will continue to have this argument.

Posted by: bobfbell | April 19, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

'I see a lot more hate from the left than the right just in these comments'

LOL

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

why should I trust
liars cheats and thieves?
Paterson, Blago, Burris, Bush, Cheny, Eliot Spitzer, Ryan, Strogger, Loren Maltese, John Edwards, John Kerry, Mark Sanford, Gonzales, David Safavian, Roger Stillwell Jack Abramoff Frank Sturgis Eugenio Martinez Bernard Barker Virgilio Gonzalez, E. Howard Hunt , Liddy, Herbert L. Porter, Charles W. Colson , Herbert W. Kalmbach , Dwight L. Chapin , John W. Dean III , John Ehrlichman , H. R. Haldeman , Frederick C. LaRue , Jeb Stuart Magruder, Richard Kleindienst, John Newton Mitchell, Richard Nixon, Harold Carswell, Otto Kerner, Jr., Andrew J. Hinshaw, Wayne L. Hays, John V. Dowdy, Deborah Gore Dean, James G. Watt, Samuel Pierce, Robert Bernard Anderson, Raymond J. Donovan, Clarence Thomas, Walter Nixon, Catalina Vasquez Villalpando, Robert C. McFarlane, Dan Rostenkowski , Joe Kolter, Jay Kim, Carol Moseley-Braun, Larry Langford
all have served time or doing time crooks liars and thieves

Posted by: tomjelen | April 19, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

The progressives have regulated, taxed, spent and taken liberties to the point that there is no recovery. The dollar will soon fail leaving some surprised. Sure was nice while it lasted.

Posted by: dswanson2609 | April 19, 2010 3:04 PM
--------------------------------
Just curious. As one who invests regularly in stocks, I'm curious what you are doing. Have you sold all your investments? Are you short stocks? Are you trading currencies? Are you stocking up on food & water? Guns & ammo? How are you preparing for the currency collapsing?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Americans apparently have a real case of schizophrenia.
On the one hand, they want Social Security, Medicare and a strong national defense.
Unfortunately, all of these things cost us vast sums of money. Entitlements and defense alone take up more than 70% of the federal budget.

Then there are the hidden costs of the Iraq/Afghanistan wars--1 trillion dollars in the last decade. Bush told us these wars were utterly necessary, but refused to have the political courage to ask for tax hikes to pay for them. Thus, the surplus he inherited--created by both a Democratic President and a Republican Congress--became a huge deficit when Obama took office.
So why not protest against the wars? They are black holes into which American tax dollars are sucked without any substantial progress having been achieved toward the goals of nation-building in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Social Security will have to be fixed. Saying we should scrap it is political suicide for any politician.
Start by denying S.S benefits to anyone whose income exceeds $100,000 at retirement.
Social Security was designed to provide basic income for the indigent and the middle class upon retirement. It was not created for people who are self-sufficient at retirement, even if they paid into it.

Increase Medicare premiums. No way around it though it is a political hot potato. One thing neither Democrats or Republicans want to discuss in the health care debate is this: if you want to contain health care costs--which is a drain on the economy,not just Medicare--then you must demand that preventive medicine be the cornerstone of our medical system.
We have the greatest system in the world--if you can afford it--for treating heart disease and cancer. But lifestyle changes can dramatically reduce the rates of both types of diseases.
But there is big money to be made if Americans stay sick, so good luck.

Slash the defense budget in half.
Against whom do we have the undisputed most powerful navy and air force in the world?
The Chinese can't afford to pay more for their armies and neither can the Russians.
We spend more on defense--including cleverly hidden costs--than the next 15 industrialized nations in the world.
The Cold War is over.
The new war is all about economic power in a world characterized by globalization.
We better get our priorities straight.

Finally, Comrade Zero was a little disingenuous regarding the article about reduced solar activity producing cold winters in Europe. The same report stated that global warming would continue elsewhere. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas--this is science--which means that it blocks the lower wavelengths of radiation that reach the earth from escaping into the upper atmosphere. Ergo, continued gradual warming. The pollutants that China and India are spewing out are negating the effects of excess CO2 production by blocking the suns rays, but what happens when they decide to tackle their pollution problems?

Posted by: dzukijason | April 19, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I find it very hard to blame Obama when the problems of government that crop up come largely from Congressional squabbles that detract enormously from Obama's original agenda and from bad pre-existing regulations, from lobbyists, etc. What I see is Obama making halfway decent suggestions, only to get shouted down by angry folks who mistakenly believe he was born in Kenya and is a Muslim and who believe he's a socialist shill. It looks like Americans eagerly look up to conspiracy theories in recessionary times and shortly after them.

Yes, Obama has moved to the right from his original ideal, because the center is, after all, where the votes are. And now the hypocritical GOP whines that the guy is a hypocrite.

Posted by: rickyrab | April 19, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Please stop feeding conspiracy theories.
It's bad for your health. Negative energy.
Hate (not good).

Posted by: tlvanmaanen | April 19, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Is it any wonder that the American people don't trust Government? Instead of governing, almost everyone in Congress has allowed party politics to be the driving force rather than allowing natural state, regional, and industrial/agricultural alliances to be the driving force. Even the Supreme Court involves itself with political considerations, even party politics, rather than interpretation of the law. While I like the President, his administration is falling into the same trap.
These things are exactly what President Washington warned about 200+ years ago. When we ignore the lessons of history, we fall into the same old habits.

Posted by: jglen490 | April 19, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

We all drank the kool-aid. The pols have us screaming at each other, while they continue on their merry ways. A dysfunctional Congress is the proplem. Nobody is losing any freedoms, no one is taking your guns away, citizens of D.C. are taxed without representation, more of you should have joined the military to fight the wars you agree with, men are telling woman what to do with bodies....on and on. You're being told what to think by those in office. You want real change? Vote them all out and start over with an entire freshman claas next election. Now quit screaming at each other and take it out on Congress. Everyone of them.

Posted by: jckdoors | April 19, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

why should I trust
liars cheats and thieves?
Paterson, Blago, Burris, Bush, Cheny, Eliot Spitzer, Ryan, Strogger, Loren Maltese, John Edwards, John Kerry, Mark Sanford, Gonzales, David Safavian, Roger Stillwell Jack Abramoff Frank Sturgis Eugenio Martinez Bernard Barker Virgilio Gonzalez, E. Howard Hunt , Liddy, Herbert L. Porter, Charles W. Colson , Herbert W. Kalmbach , Dwight L. Chapin , John W. Dean III , John Ehrlichman , H. R. Haldeman , Frederick C. LaRue , Jeb Stuart Magruder, Richard Kleindienst, John Newton Mitchell, Richard Nixon, Harold Carswell, Otto Kerner, Jr., Andrew J. Hinshaw, Wayne L. Hays, John V. Dowdy, Deborah Gore Dean, James G. Watt, Samuel Pierce, Robert Bernard Anderson, Raymond J. Donovan, Clarence Thomas, Walter Nixon, Catalina Vasquez Villalpando, Robert C. McFarlane, Dan Rostenkowski , Joe Kolter, Jay Kim, Carol Moseley-Braun, Larry Langford
all have served time or doing time crooks liars and thieves

Posted by: tomjelen | April 19, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Down with the anti-government movement.

Posted by: tlvanmaanen | April 19, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I just love all of these people who say of course some are frustrated with government, we are in a recession! Just wait, and it will be OK.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not a recession, it's a collapse. There will not be a significant recovery. A few head fakes maybe, but the US is really collapsing.
The progressives have regulated, taxed, spent and taken liberties to the point that there is no recovery. The dollar will soon fail leaving some surprised. Sure was nice while it lasted.

Posted by: dswanson2609 | April 19, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I just love all of these people who say of course some are frustrated with government, we are in a recession! Just wait, and it will be OK.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not a recession, it's a collapse. There will not be a significant recovery. A few head fakes maybe, but the US is really collapsing.
The progressives have regulated, taxed, spend and taken liberties to the point that there is no recovery. The dollar will soon fail leaving some surprised. Sure was nice while it lasted.

Posted by: dswanson2609 | April 19, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I see a lot more hate from the left than the right just in these comments

Posted by: samuellenn | April 19, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

With both parties, the object is to say whatever it takes to get elected, then (if you're president), do whatever it takes to get re-elected. And, in your final term, do what you think is right (because you have nothing to lose). For the rest who can keep being re-elected, it's say whatever it takes to get re-elected, and do whatever it takes to get re-elected. There is no last term to get to do what you think is right. So, we get the people and the government we deserve because we vote on sound bites, and the advice of demagogoue radio and TV personalities instead of really studying the issues and holding our legislators' feet to the fire for being wrong headed. If you read all the posts, here, you'll see that most of them are extremist and just a few are reasoned comments. Sounds like the congress and senate to me.

Posted by: rob15 | April 19, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

If these people are so fed up with our government, why then are they upset when the government isn't doing enough to end hi unemployment? Why do they go ballistic at any proposal to scale back Social Security or Medicare? Why do they think we need to spend a trillion plus dollars to occupy other countries?

They are simply being told that they will have to pay for all of the things they have demanded of their government, and like a spoiled child, they don't like it one bit.

Posted by: capmbillie | April 19, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Watch tonight on MSNBC and then see what these hate rallies can do to any one of us...when you start wearing a gun to a rally, then that says too much... I think most of these people are not mad at the gov they are mad that a black man is president... he has done more for us in a year and a half than Bush did in 8 years... and yet they are mad... why is that????????think about it after watching tonight

Posted by: flowymac | April 19, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Watch tonight on MSNBC and then see what these hate rallies can do to any one of us...when you start wearing a gun to a rally, then that says too much... I think most of these people are not mad at the gov they are mad that a black man is president... he has done more for us in a year and a half than Bush did in 8 years... and yet they are mad... why is that????????think about it after watching tonight

Posted by: flowymac | April 19, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Watch tonight on MSNBC and then see what these hate rallies can do to any one of us...when you start wearing a gun to a rally, then that says too much... I think most of these people are not mad at the gov they are mad that a black man is president... he has done more for us in a year and a half than Bush did in 8 years... and yet they are mad... why is that????????think about it after watching tonight

Posted by: flowymac | April 19, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Watch tonight on MSNBC and then see what these hate rallies can do to any one of us...when you start wearing a gun to a rally, then that says too much... I think most of these people are not mad at the gov they are mad that a black man is president... he has done more for us in a year and a half than Bush did in 8 years... and yet they are mad... why is that????????think about it after watching tonight

Posted by: flowymac | April 19, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"I am very supportive of our president and his agenda, but I would fall into the huge percentage(65%) that trusts the government "some of the time." I never trust people who want warrantless wiretaps, an expansion of the police state, and corporate welfare. I don't truest people who gin up "evidence" to convince others to go to war on pretense."

Exactly. I would never, ever vote for a republican and I among that percentage who trust government somewhat. Why this 'analysis' is worthless.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

tqmek1,

The Health Care bill is expected to cut the deficit by 1 trillion over 20 years. Republicans just like to keep saying that it will increase taxes without any evidence.

Posted by: pathfinder12 | April 19, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The govt has had wiretaps since Hoover the technology was invented. Spying has been the norm since George Washington. What is wrong with the govt trying to protect us and preventing another 9/11 ? I do not like the obama administration but at least he has the common sense to keep some of the Bush's security policies in force. We would be fools to allow terrorists to openly plan more events like 9/11. In fact obama haas kept several of the Bush policies in force even though he campaigned not to do so

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather continue to work two part time jobs and just barely hold on than try to go to work for a federal government where 0bama is the person in charge.

Posted by: beebop1"


i am sure you are very happy at walmart -- they treat people so well. maybe you're gettig what you deserve.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

First in the USA there is a well spread culture of government haters. So the question had to be: Why do people hate a goverment more than other?

Second. This culture has a begining. The republican system in the USA never was well-understood. Like heirs of the anglo-saxon liberalism at the time, they were never cricizing any system but who had to hold the power (Noblemen or wealthy commons). In the other hand, the liberalist fight was all about individual rights because, I repeat, there was not any deep spread critic to the monarchic power. Well. This was finally the best game for those ones never believing in the USA as a nation, the "constant inmigrants", which vision didn't go farer than money and wealth. They surpassed the older noble aristocratic power believeing they had to be the real owners. And that fight in the name of the individual rights allow them to block easily any chance of any more coordinated action. Such kind of actions being the birth of the social rights in other western countries.

Conclusion. A long time forgotten revolutionary war, the few understanding about the republican system by both pro-aristocratic commons taking the power while promoting the hatred to any official government and initial liberalists looking only for individual rights without any real politic alternative. A mix to make impossible any real republican system.

Posted by: Vercinget333 | April 19, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

The left is stunned that the American people do not trust the government, but I am stunned that the left is stunned. After all, most of us come from the generation that did not "trust anyone over 30", and all of our lives we have been encouraged to challenge authority and ask questions.
As a teenager, I trusted a government that swore that the 1964 Civil Rights Act would NEVER lead to forced busing or racial quotas. Those were "right wing lies" (like "death panels") . That is when I learned that the Code of Federal Regulations , and not the innocent language of the U.S.Code, would control busing. During the 1970's I learned that the Democrats also lied about the Gulf of Tonkin. Later, I watched the GOP abuse the Constitution during the Watergate crisis. The debate over whether "Bush lied" (along with Gore, the British Government, Isreal and eveyone else who swore Iraq had WMD's) was considered "patriotic debate" by the liberal media as long as the invectives were levelled against Bush.
Then came the little savior, and his promise of open debate, C-span coverage of any health care negotiations, "no lobbyists or secret deals", posting legislation on line 72 hrs before any vote, no tax increases on the middle class, etc. And now the liberal elites not only question "why" the great unwashed masses would dare to question authority , they condemn this once-patriotic process.
Government is not trusted because governments cannot be trusted. We have been lied to once too often, and the lies have come from both major parties.

Posted by: MARKM2 | April 19, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"a dismal economy, an unhappy public, bitter partisan-based backlash, and epic discontent with Congress and elected officials"

"Why" Americans dislike government.

Most people can't fathom the arrogance of government trying to tax carbon dioxide...or a tax to exist...or bailing out private industry...or supporting radical hate groups with grants...or allowing our country to be invaded with illegals...or allowing a Muslim terrorist to slaughter 14 Americans and calling it an isolated event...

Obama has spewn hate-filled rhetoric and has made racist comments since his running days...so we may just be more vocal about our hate. Slick Willy even got his johnson all worked up with his finger-pointing and allusions...

Posted by: easttxisfreaky | April 19, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"When I read that so many Americas do not trust the American government(s; it's not just federal), what I understand this inevitably to mean is that a large number of Americans do not trust many other Americans. And that makes me very sad."

As with 12BarBlues, I, too, agree with you. The situation revolving around the distrust is very sad, indeed. However, I don't trust those who don't trust POTUS Obama to do the right thing. I don't trust them because they believe liars, cheats and rapscallions who undermine the credibility of these dupes who want to take their country back. I love my country the way it is with POTUS Obama in the lead. I love my country the way it is heading with POTUS Obama pointing out the direction. I love POTUS Obama for his love of country. Now, tea party members and GOP loons, get out of the way if you can't lend a hand because the times, they are a-changin'.

Posted by: queenofromania | April 19, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Americans would trust government more if Joe Biden were president.

Posted by: rickyrab | April 19, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Cheney told us that "deficits don't matter".


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

the year he said that the deficit was 150 billion.

Under the new moonbat in chief, it is 1.4 trillion, roughly 100 times as large.

Liberals can't seem to get that. and to top it off, even with all that big government largess, the jobs situation is a sad example of liberal incompetence.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

This article is disappointing. It promises to explain why persons distrust the U.S. government, yet it does not deliver the goods. It is easy to say that government is too big. But it would be helpful to the debate to say where it is too big. Most of the spending is on defense and medical insurance (for the elderly and the poor). Which of these do we want to cut?

Posted by: dm_resnick | April 19, 2010 2:37 PM
---------------------------------
The reason we don't know WHAT the Angry Tea People would cut, is because they wouldn't cut ANY medicare, social security or defense spending. The subtext of their anger isn't WHAT they would cut, it is about WHO should do the cutting. They want it to be Republicans who have the power, not the Democrats, especially if headed by a black President.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather continue to work two part time jobs and just barely hold on than try to go to work for a federal government where 0bama is the person in charge.

Posted by: beebop1 | April 19, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"'Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) — who is running for reelection and holds a narrow lead over his Democratic challenger Bill White — is engaged in a desperate appeal to the conservative base to help put him over the top.

Perry, who is being rumored as a leading 2012 presidential candidate, was asked by the Texas Tribune’s Evan Smith whether he considers former President George W. Bush to be a “great” president. Bush was “a very, very good President,” Perry responded.

PERRY: At the end of the day, when the history books are written, I think George W. Bush will go down as a very, very good President. Approaching great? I don’t know yet because I don’t know if we’ve seen the –

A year and a half since he’s been out of office, this may be a little bit early to write George’s history. But here’s why he was an incredibly good President: because this man kept America safe. […]

Anyone who is not a rank political hack, who has an agenda, and looks at this President’s efforts — I mean, there are two things that I think people judge Presidents on: their safety and the economy.'


Indeed, Presidents can and should be judged on the two metrics Perry outlines: “their safety and the economy.” And on both those scores, Bush was anything but a “very, very good President.”

'In terms of keeping America safe, the deadliest terrorist attack on U.S. soil — about which Bush was forewarned — occurred on his watch. His disastrous decision to invade Iraq — which “everyone” in Congress now agrees was a huge “mistake” — has resulted in almost 4,400 U.S. casualties.

As for his stewardship of the economy, Bush inherited a budget surplus of $127 billion and bequeathed a deficit of over $1 trillion to Obama. During his two terms, median income fell, poverty rose, and two recessions occurred — one of which was a global financial meltdown.

If Perry thinks this was “very, very good,” one wonders what classifies as very, very bad."

There's no bottom.


=========================================

Perry is an idiot!! Bush did NOT keep us safe!!!!!!!!!!! WE WERE ATTACKED WHEN BUSH WAS PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: gr8bigguy | April 19, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

As for as the American voters not having confidence in the present govt. Let me join in ! I do not think obama and his puppets have given the intelligent side of America anything to be proud of. or even to be in any way happy with. Confidence in or trust this group of socialists? No way !! When the public representatives ignore the majority of the voters and pass laws that will tax the public to death in the future, they are not building confidence or trust or anything good. I will be happier when they are voted out and the new congress is mindful that the voters can vote them out if they try to ignore the American people.
There are issues that need to be addressed and we need responsible lawmakers to do just that with Americans in mind not the appeasement of the Muslim or other countries. We should not apologize for our dead and wounded veterans that have fought and are fighting to preserve the American way of life and the rights of other countries in the fight for freedom. In God we trust is the basis of our country ! I pray that God will protect us from this present ungodly govt.

Posted by: vageorge | April 19, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

If you look at the graphs at the Pew site you will see that the unhappiness and distrust coincide with recessions and Democratic presidents. Everyone is less satisfied when there's a recession, and conservaties feel only they should be allowed to govern and have free reign to do whatever they want. They are exceptionally unhappy(take a look at the percentage of ultraconservatives that feel the government is a threat) when someone else gains control after they destroy the economy.

I am very supportive of our president and his agenda, but I would fall into the huge percentage(65%) that trusts the government "some of the time." I never trust people who want warrantless wiretaps, an expansion of the police state, and corporate welfare. I don't truest people who gin up "evidence" to convince others to go to war on pretense. Yes, a lot of Democrats did vote to go to Iraq, but they were fooled by the lies that our usually trustworthy CIA manufactured. When Congress can't trust our own intelligence people to do the right thing, how in the world can we ever trust everything our governmment does?

Posted by: wd1214 | April 19, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

If you look at the graphs at the Pew site you will see that the unhappiness and distrust coincide with recessions and Democratic presidents. Everyone is less satisfied when there's a recession, and conservaties feel only they should be allowed to govern and have free reign to do whatever they want. They are exceptionally unhappy(take a look at the percentage of ultraconservatives that feel the government is a threat) when someone else gains control after they destroy the economy.

I am very supportive of our president and his agenda, but I would fall into the huge percentage(65%) that trusts the government "some of the time." I never trust people who want warrantless wiretaps, an expansion of the police state, and corporate welfare. I don't truest people who gin up "evidence" to convince others to go to war on pretense. Yes, a lot of Democrats did vote to go to Iraq, but they were fooled by the lies that our usually trustworthy CIA manufactured. When Congress can't trust our own intelligence people to do the right thing, how in the world can we ever trust everything our governmment does?

Posted by: wd1214 | April 19, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

So, who are the dolts whom trust the government in the first place? That should be the question!

Posted by: Obamasnotyamama | April 19, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

to poster bobbob

Most voter do not know who JOSEPH GOEBBELS is, But the republican party knows very well who he is, and is following the same advice he gave that worked so well for that other NEO PARTY

Posted by: dv1236 | April 19, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

As for the unemployment rate going down, a large number of people have just stopped trying to find work and no longer are counted. They have been unemployed so long they are not eligible for benefits. (even with all the extensions). Also the record number of hirings for the census also makes the unemployment rate look better. These are temporary jobs! Most hirings were in February and March.
People over 62 are taking their SS because they can't find jobs and at least they will have a steady income even if small, it is better than the amount of unemployment they get. These people are no longer showing up as unemployed.
Also, more an more churches are laying off workers because of lack of donations, these people are not required to be covered under unemployment and thus not counted.

Posted by: Anne501 | April 19, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Trust the government? Trust Obama? Look at the facts:

GOOGLE SEARCHES:

Results 1 - 9 of 9 for "Bush's documented lies".

Results 1 - 10 of about 41,700 for "Obama's documented lies".

-------

Which goes to show how much lying Tea Party types have been doing in the past two years!

Posted by: rickyrab | April 19, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse


People don't dislike the government. They hate Barack Obama.

Posted by: demtse | April 19, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

In fact they cheerleaded while Bush doubled our national debt in only eight years (a record)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
As opposed to tripling it in one year by berry.

As long as you Libs continue to talk numbers, we will be laughing at you.

cilizza, how is it that you manage to assemble the following populations on this site every day:

3% that trusts government
8% that approves of Pelosi
handful that watch MSDNC
shrinking minority that supports Obama's reelect
Loons who still think berry is smart or qualified.
Free speechers who call everyone else racist

I mean there is probabaly a couple thousand of those moonbats spread across the entire blue coasts. How do you bait ALL of them to come here every day?

It is certainly an interesting study in a dying breed.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I like the fact that Bush grew the government by creating the DHS. I like the fact that Bush ran up $11 trillion deficit and the Republicans forgot about both!

The problem is the GOP does NOT know what it stands for anymore. They also don't have a leader. Who is the leader of the GOP? The party is complete disarray. Sure get angry, you'll win seats; legislation will be held at a standstill because the neither party will have enough votes to do anything and what's left, the President will veto. If people hate Washington now, they will REALLY hate it if the GOP wins in November. NOTHING WILL GET DONE because the sides are too polarized and partisan.

Posted by: gr8bigguy | April 19, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

People do not dislike "government." They dislike "politics" and perhaps "politicians."

They take "government' for granted. The check from the Treasury gets there on time. The military works to keep them safe. The highways and interstates are open.

These people you folks keep polling are not mad at government. Frankly, they are not really mad at polticians either. They are angry because something they never thought they would see in their lifetimes happened in November 2008. A white man LOST the election for President.

Posted by: jade_7243 | April 19, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

In Nevada, we will turn out Harry Reid (for certain) and probably Dina Titus as well.

After we do that, you can write another article trying to explain why we did it, you'll have a hard time judging by this article though.

It is so very simple. These people don't represent us. They wield power over us. We despise them, and they us.

Our forefathers saw this would happen and gave us the right to VOTE out those we disagree with. Whoala. Problem explained.

Posted by: Alvinjh | April 19, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse


People don't dislike the government. They hate Barack Obama.

Posted by: demtse | April 19, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Bush's worst legacy is teaching Americans that we could everything for nothing. He cut taxes, invaded 2 countries, and expanded Medicare while Cheney told us that "deficits don't matter".

People are upset because they are learning that deficits do matter, that tax cuts mean cuts in services, and that wars are expensive.

Voting for politicians who promise you everything at no cost is like hiring a contractor who low balls the bid. The bottom line is: you get what you pay for, both in life and in government.

Posted by: AxelDC | April 19, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

As for the unemployment rate going down, a large number of people have just stopped trying to find work and no longer are counted. They have been unemployed so long they are not eligible for benefits. (even with all the extensions). Also the record number of hirings for the census also makes the unemployment rate look better. These are temporary jobs!

People over 62 are taking their SS because they can't find jobs and at least they will have a steady income even if small, it is better than the amount of unemployment they get. These people are no longer showing up as unemployed.
Also, more an more churches are laying off workers because of lack of donations, these people are not required to be covered under unemployment and thus not counted.

Posted by: Anne501 | April 19, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

the only difference between tea party demostrations and liberal anti war anti bush demostrations.
Is there are no burning cars with the tea party.
and of course,
no media apoligizing for a few
bad apples who did too many
shots of latte'

Posted by: simonsays1 | April 19, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the goal of deficit reduction, but it should be done gently. We have relied too much on bonds to pay for our government expenses. This, in turn, leads to tricky accounting and unclear statements without knowing who is really paying for what expenses, as they get shuffled off to the future and charged interest. Costs (at the federal level) should be paid for entirely through taxation and through the creation of money. Bonds are okay at the state and local level but they should be limited and rationed. Also, each item in a government budget ought to be listed and specified.

Also, don't forget: Budget cutting is for booms, deficit increases are for recessions. Deficit spending is the right thing to do in a recession because that's how you get a recession to slow and stop and then reverse. During a boom, you cut spending- even as the tax revenues increase - because the private sector is taking up the slack and you're paying off your recession-era deficits. (By the way, THIS is the real Keynesian approach, go look it up.)

Posted by: rickyrab | April 19, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

When I read that so many Americas do not trust the American government(s; it's not just federal), what I understand this inevitably to mean is that a large number of Americans do not trust many other Americans. And that makes me very sad.
-----------------------------------
Very astute. I think you are exactly right, gshenaut. The right wing anger at "the government" is all about the Democrats having the votes to elect the President, and then the ultimate insult of that President being black. That's my opinion.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

For those who think government spending is out of control I suggest you look at this website. http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm
It is our military spending that is going to bankrupt our nation. And we now borrow about 85% of the money we spend from China.

Posted by: danceblade | April 19, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

With all this divisive back and forth bullstien about Democrat this and Republican that, Most of you should take pause, And rememeber today in 1775 at Lexington and Concord Farmers defeated the British in the first battle of OUR War for independence! I chose to rememeber without the men that gave their lives on the Commons of Lexington and the Old North Bridge in Concord we would not even be a Country today! So full of divided people pointing fingers at one another! You cheapen their Sacrafice with your petty back and forth garbage you spew! The Media just runs stories that divide us, and on a day when all American's should unite in rememebering OUR first True Hero's! No where in the Media did I find a story, Waco and the OK City bombing, Just more divisive Media swine garbage! Rememember we are ALL American's!

Posted by: RaferJanders | April 19, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

99.9% of these Teabagger cretins have voted Republican in the past and will continue to do so in the future. These people never have and never will support Democrats. The only concern these people have is with getting rid of the Dems and the black guy in the White House. They are not some sort of huge grass roots up-rising of "ordinary Americans with real concerns".


The Teabaggers didn't have any of these "concerns" until the Dems came into power and Pres Obama was elected. In fact they cheerleaded while Bush doubled our national debt in only eight years (a record), gave unfunded tax cuts to Billionaires (twice), started a war for no reason (Iraq) that has cost us a Trillion dollars and counting, committed war crimes (torture etc), spied on Americans illegally and outted a CIA agent for political reasons.
The Teabags = the 20% of Republicans who still thought Shrub Jr. was doing a heckuva job when he left office.
.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/steinberg/2168642,CST-NWS-stein18.article
.

Posted by: DrainYou | April 19, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Why are republican voters such sore losers? really! Elections have consequences. My thing is: we just got rid of a bum in Bush!! His fingerprints are still all over everything; all the mess we're still in.

37thandOstreet: you want the Dems to pay for a tax for the deficits, huh?? what about about the $11 trillion deficit Bush rang up????? Or do you have selective memory. You all make me sick! You're pathetic. You b-t-h and moan about Obama and his spending and COMPLETELY FORGOT about your own GOP president spending. I did not see anywhere in your post where you state that you want to pay a tax because of Bush's huge deficit. Your point has been shot to hell!

Posted by: gr8bigguy | April 19, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

We will get out of Iraq.
We will rule with transparency.
We will work to restore the american dream.
OR....
more government hand outs to billionaires'
the more things change,
the more they stay the same.
Everyday, Gibbs and bobama'
announce a new scheme to spend
another 700 Million Dollars
we don't have.

Posted by: simonsays1 | April 19, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

As always, I find this poll difficult to understand. I genuinely don't get what is meant, in general, by its two key concepts: "trust" and "government". Trust is something I generally put into people, not institutions. For the structure of institutions, I prefer terms like "consistent/incoherent", "optimal/ineffective", and so on. So there is this constant pull in my mind for me to interpret "trust in government" as "trust in people who govern", but there's a problem in that too. In a democracy, it is the people who govern. We decide what government is and how it functions, or rather, in most cases, we decide whom it will be among us to whom we will delegate the responsibility of deciding. So "trust in people who govern" is pulled, in my mind, toward, "trust in each other". When I read that so many Americas do not trust the American government(s; it's not just federal), what I understand this inevitably to mean is that a large number of Americans do not trust many other Americans. And that makes me very sad. It almost makes me wish for a monarchy so we could distrust the king or a tyranny so we could distrust the tyrant and his thugs; that to me might actually be less confusing and less heartbreaking than a democratic republic run by people who do not trust each other.

Posted by: gshenaut | April 19, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Why are republican voters such sore losers? really! Elections have consequences. My thing is: we just got rid of a bum in Bush!! His fingerprints are still all over everything; all the mess we're still in.

37thandOstreet: you want the Dems to pay for a tax for the deficits, huh?? what about about the $11 trillion deficit Bush rang up????? Or do you have selective memory. You all make me sick! You're pathetic. You b-t-h and moan about Obama and his spending and COMPLETELY FORGOT about your own GOP president spending. I did not see anywhere in your post where you state that you want to pay a tax because of Bush's huge deficit. Your point has been shot to hell!

Posted by: gr8bigguy | April 19, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"Those soaring levels of dissatisfaction have to worry incumbents of both parties -- although the electoral pain will almost certainly be felt more by Democrats since, well, they have a lot more incumbents in the House and Senate." - the flaming liberal/progressive Chris....

Yeah......this is definitely "the fix"

Chris, you don't get it, at all.

The reason is the Democrat Party is completely out of touch with mainstream America. They don't even represent mainstream America.

The Democrat Party represents about 20% of the US population, flaming liberal/progressives.

The ISSUE Chris is that this 20% is implementing POLICIES that 75% of Americans (40% conservative and 35% moderates) don't like and can't stand.

The problem Chris is the "Democrat Brand" is shot and you know it.......you just can't "print it"............very sad.

Posted by: allenridge | April 19, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

This article is disappointing. It promises to explain why persons distrust the U.S. government, yet it does not deliver the goods. It is easy to say that government is too big. But it would be helpful to the debate to say where it is too big. Most of the spending is on defense and medical insurance (for the elderly and the poor). Which of these do we want to cut?

Posted by: dm_resnick | April 19, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse


Trust the government? Trust Obama? Look at the facts:

GOOGLE SEARCHES:

Results 1 - 9 of 9 for "Bush's documented lies".

Results 1 - 10 of about 41,700 for "Obama's documented lies".

Trust Reed? He bought votes for the health bill.

Trust Pelosi? She lied about water board briefings.

We have the most corrupt government leaders ever in the history of the country.
.

Posted by: Billw3 | April 19, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

It seems according to liberals, that doubling the debt is a horror of horrors, but tripling it in a single year with the same expected for decades to come, is fabulous.

that protesting war and giving endless ink to dozens of misfits, must immediately cease once a Lib takes over. But millions of peaceful protesters concerned with big government must be ridiculed or ignored lest they alter the consensus of socialism.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

To you folks who are angry over the health care bill, do not look at medicare reform of MR BUSH, YOU WILL HAVE A KITTEN.

THING SUCH AS ONE BILLION DOLLARS OVER TEN YEAR TO HOSPITALS TO HELP WITH TREATING THE UNINSURED, (are you setting down)most that goes TO the hospitalS in the south west who hava a high volume of them from MEXICO.

only 33 cents of each dollar paid into this comes back to the member of medicare D.

a 15 minuted vote when in to 3 hours, well arm were broken to get this bill passed.

as one republican said ITS AN AWFUL BILL, THAT I VOTED FOR, BUT I HAD 5 MILLION OF PORK IN IT, AND TO GET MY VOTE MR BUSH GAVE ME 10 MILLION.

you voted most out in the last election who did this, now what , vote them back in.

FACE IT...YOU GOTTA VOTE FOR WHO YOU WANT, TO DO TO YOU.
CHEERS

Posted by: dv1236 | April 19, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Joseph Goebbels would be so proud of the Republican Party. 40 years of anti-Government propaganda has worked very well, just like he said it would. Once Reagan removed checks on broadcasters by ending the Fairness Doctrine, Fox was able to begin the destruction of reliable broadcast news.

Now, the hatred and fear that was spewed by Tim McVeigh, is repeated everyday by the Republicans and the TEA partiers.

Real Patriotic Americans??? I don't think so.

Posted by: thebobbob | April 19, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama skips Polish funeral, heads for golf course
Why not? Volcanic dust didn't disturb golf course.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero
-----

Zero in every post of yours you seem fixate on the fact that President Obama plays golf. Last time I checked playing golf was a pasttime for all the presidents of the modern era. In fact, your hero, Ex-President George W Bush once made a vow to give up golf in honor of the fallen American troops. Of course he still continued to play.

I know this is a small point in the scheme of things but I think its indicative of your general irrational hatred of our President. It clearly shows that you don't hate him for playing golf or any other slight you manage to fixate on or invent but simply the fact that you hate, pure and simple. Like it or not the man is our President and whether that will change in four years remains to seen. But if your goal is to see someone else living in the White House in 2012 then you need substantially more to your arguments than the fact the man plays golf and the other nonsense you continually spout.

Posted by: dre7861 | April 19, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"I was also a Taxicab driver and evangelist in Boise, ID where I led approximately 1,000 lost souls to the Lord Jesus Christ: Drunks and Winos, Hookers and Strippers,Bums, and Homeless; Hippies and Rainbow people, Bikers, and Villians, Truckers and Construction workers, Businessmen and Proletarians, psychos and weirdos, homos and lesbians; even some people who looked normal and smelled nice."

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 2:31 PM
-------------------------------
Bwahahaha!!!!!!!11

Probably dropped them off at the Salvation Army soup kitchen.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Balanced government here we come.

Posted by: moebius22 | April 19, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

oh, Middle America Chris,
tell us why the natives
are restless?

come on'

'let them eat cake'

Posted by: simonsays1 | April 19, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

AndyR3


But Andy, the democrats in Congress voted FOR the War in Iraq - how are you going to deal with that ???


And even when Pelosi and Reid came in, they continued to pay for the war in Iraq.

In any event, Obama's deficit has already exceeded the ENTIRE COST OF THE WAR IN IRAQ.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

If we are the government, and if we don't trust the government, doesn't that mean we don't trust ourselves?

Posted by: rickyrab | April 19, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

The media it partially to blame for todays disfunctional politics. How many times have we heard right from any given politicians mouth a particular subject... only to have the media attempt to explain what it is they just said. There lay the problem. The media interpretaion only seems to serve their own adgenda... ratings... commercial enterprise. We are media saturated these days... I cant honestly make a decision based on what I hear on the news these days... I always walk away more baffled than when I sat down. If the media would "Report" the news... instead of attempting to decypher what I just heard... which most of the time in contrary to what I "Just Heard" we'd be better off. The media once served a purpose... they have gotten a bit big for their britches these days.

Posted by: BobbyYarush | April 19, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

You forgot to mention this other Repub candidate in Idado, Chris:

How could you go wrong with a campaign web site that blares "nuke their a8s, take their gas?"

Or the poetic "Keep the queens out of the Marines."

Harley Brown's eccentric, do-it-yourself campaign website has plenty of these slogans -- including a tab that says "demanad [sic] Obama's birth certificate." Brown is a perennial also-ran in Idaho Republican politics -- and a long shot in the GOP primary for an Idaho congressional seat. He's received a little coverage in the Idaho media, but appears to be largely ignored by the Republican Party.

The Republican favorite for this seat is Vaughn Ward, who would run against Rep. Walt Minnick (D-Idaho).

Brown gives a little background in his online bio:

"I was also a Taxicab driver and evangelist in Boise, ID where I led approximately 1,000 lost souls to the Lord Jesus Christ: Drunks and Winos, Hookers and Strippers,Bums, and Homeless; Hippies and Rainbow people, Bikers, and Villians, Truckers and Construction workers, Businessmen and Proletarians, psychos and weirdos, homos and lesbians; even some people who looked normal and smelled nice."

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Let’s see... the Bush administration invaded a foreign country that hadn’t attacked us and did not have weapons of mass destruction while leaving another war unfinished, claimed torture and indefinite detention without trial is just fine, doubled the national debt, watched as New Orleans and the U.S. economy collapsed, and the Left went nuts. The Obama administration passes a health care bill that helps 32 million Americans get health insurance, prevents insurance companies from dropping coverage for pre-existing conditions, will save about $1.3 trillion dollars over the next 20 years, and the Right goes nuts. Doesn’t that say it all?

Also, for those in the reality-based community, since Obama has taken office, the stock market has rallied 70%, the country has gone from 700,000 jobs lost per month to 160,000 gained per month, and the GDP has gone from -6.4% to a +5.9% annual rate. The numbers don't lie. As the economy turns around, people will see that Dem governance works compared to GOP economic collapse.

Posted by: zvelf | April 19, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I am angry that the Government does not listen to their constituents. The programs Obama Administration has passed are not working. We are just going deeper in debt, and paying for more government officials with each new program. Our Government is growing at a record pace.

I am angry with both parties, each has a hidden agenda. But the Democrats seem to have an agenda for taking away our personal freedoms and anyone who says the planned tax increase are only on the wealthy and corporations is an idiot. The middle class and poor will be hit by higher prices on everything.

We need a completely new political party that is free of the garbage of the past. We need to take our government back from both the Republicans and Democrats. When you vote this year don't vote based upon Political Party but vote for someone you feel will carry out what they promised when campaigning. If they drop the ball on following thru vote them out of office the next time.
Also, due away with PAC's many union workers disagree with how the money they are required by their unions to pay is spent.
Let it be an individual choice not one forced down the workers throats by their union leadership.

Obama promised that we would have openness on the Health Care Bill. Which we did not.

Posted by: Anne501 | April 19, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Unions are a big problem. They are granted special favors and the way they go in and out of the white house, they look like a line of ants feeding on candy.

Posted by: farmsnorton | April 19, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse


When the Republicans get back in power - they can enact an "Obama-Tax"

We can separate out ALL THE TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS - and send the bill to the democrats.

CHARGE THE DEMOCRATS FOR OBAMA'S DEFICITS, including the interest.

and leave the Republicans out of it.

If a person is not a registered democrat for 5 years, then they can stop paying the Obama-tax.

At that point - when the democrats have to PAY FOR THE SPENDING THEMSELVES, we will see how many people still want to be democrats.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

37 that is fine with me as soon as the Republicans pay us back for the War in Iraq.

Posted by: AndyR3 | April 19, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Government People whom I trust:
-Obama. Despite all the raving and ranting that he is a statist and a socialist, bent on power, he does seem genuinely concerned about helping people in general. Unfortunately, he's caught up in political tugs-of-war orchestrated by people who never liked him being in power to begin with (i.e., GOP politicians), and, also unfortunately, he's no economist, he's a law professor. As for power... of course activists want the ability to change things...
-Scott Brown. He seems like a nice enough guy, and he might help keep the Democrats from going overboard without going overboard himself.
-The Supreme Court (except perhaps for Roberts and Alito). At least they aren't beholden to lobbyists and elections.
-Joe Biden (on public transportation matters, not on banking matters). Being pro-rail and pro-Amtrak myself, I like how the administration has helped public transport. However, I am opposed to one administration policy: their takeover of Detroit companies, which I feel to be an enormous waste of money and not particularly helpful to mixed transportation or public transport. At least it helped shore up the economy, though.

Government people I don't trust:
-John McCain, due to his opposition to transit.
-Chris Christie, due to his making RINO ish noises (I like RINOs in theory) and then reneging on them and acting like a true "Party of No" ist.
-Sarah Palin (no longer a gov figure), because of John McCain and because she's in the Tea Party.
-Dick Armey, Joe Lieberman, Tom Coburn, overly conservative Democrats and right-wing Republicans, Nancy Pelosi, Ron Paul, and far left-wing Democrats (except perhaps for Hillary Clinton). Also, Tea Party people and Libertarians. Obstructionists and Libertarians don't really want to see things get done, they just want a government that does nothing, which is a waste of money and which creates a problem of where to shift costs when government isn't taking care of them through our taxes. The market is NOT an adequate solution to our problems because some things are just too expensive for private parties to take care of alone, such as transport and defense and outer space (which is really part of "defense"), and regulation of business. Nancy Pelosi is not interested in listening to America's people, she's more interested in listening to San Francisco's people, which ain't the same thing. Joe Lieberman, Tom Coburn, and John McCain are cuts of the same cloth: they're all obstructionists, hindering the betterment of government and the economy.

Posted by: rickyrab | April 19, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

'Tea party activists are divided roughly into two camps, according to a new POLITICO/TargetPoint poll: one that’s libertarian-minded and largely indifferent to hot-button values issues and another that’s culturally conservative and equally concerned about social and fiscal issues.

The survey, an exit poll conducted Thursday by Edison Research at the massive Tax Day protest on the National Mall, found that the attendees were largely hostile to President Barack Obama and the national Democratic Party — three-quarters believe the president “is pursuing a socialist agenda.”

Yet they aren’t enamored of the Republican Party as an alternative. Overall, three out of four tea party attendees said they were “scared about the direction” of the country and “want to send a message to both political parties.”

The results, however, suggest a distinct fault line that runs through the tea party activist base, characterized by two wings led by the politicians who ranked highest when respondents were asked who “best exemplifies the goals of the tea party movement” — former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), a former GOP presidential candidate.'

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/35988.html#ixzz0lZWS0zka

going to be a really bitter fight when they have to choose their next pres candidate.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I trust our -- repeat, our -- government, as far as it goes. I want it to have more power, not less. That's why we have a constitution rooted in the Magna Carta, and frequent elections in our republic.

If you want to overthrow our government, you should be the cellmate of Terry Nichols. You're made for each other.

Posted by: Exit240 | April 19, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Do you trust the government?
• 3% - Always
• 19% - Most of the time
• 65% - Some of the time
• 11% - never
-------------------------------------
84% trust the government most/some of the time.

Get real, the extremes are "always" and "never". Everyone else is in the middle.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 19, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"• 65% - Some of the time"

So most people, 2/3, trust government some of the time. So? They don't say when. Yes -- when it gives them medicare and basic services like protecting them from fires, food poisoning, terrorists, etc. No -- when they have to actually pay the bills.

Nobody just trust government all the time, or trust any institution, including the Church, btw, all the time, should they?

But only 11% say they never trust the government, and those are the teabaggers.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

That tells you something about Obama 80% sure aren't republicans.

Posted by: samuellenn | April 19, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

AndyR3


Let's cut out the unnecessary spending.

If half the government is bad - and half is good - you are saying keep the bad half because you can refer to items in the good half.

It is a logical flaw - that is what Obama kept doing during the health care debate - he kept on saying "pre-existing conditions" - and used that to justify billions in taxes and a massive government program.

SEPARATE it out.

The government is way too big and way too expensive.


If the democratic party wants to get together and pay for something themselves - go ahead - leave us out of it.

It is just the that the DEMOCRATS WANT TO SPEND BUT SEND THE BILL SOMEWHERE ELSE.

If you want to pay for it, go ahead.

Right now, all REGISTERED DEMOCRATS should have to pay a special TAX FOR OBAMA'S DEFICITS - and you democrats can pay the interest too.

Will that work for you?


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Global Warming Breaks Out in UK, Northern Europe

Or, that's what the enviro-kooks would have you believe -- but because it is actually cooling. However, the why is something the kooks would rather you didn't know.

After enduring the coldest winter for 30 years, you might have been hoping for some respite from the cold weather.
However, scientists are now warning that Britain can expect to endure a series of extreme winters - the like of which have not seen for more than 300 years.
Researchers have found that low solar activity - marked by a decrease in the sun's magnetic field - influences the weather conditions across northern Europe.
According to Mike Lockwood, one of the main researchers, the latest winter marks the start of a Maunder minimum - when solar activity falls for a prolonged time.


This, of course, is just what sensible climatologists have been trying to say for years: that the sun has far more of an effect on the earth's climate than anything else. And it's just what the hoax-perpetrating global warmists climate change-ists have been trying to suppress, along with other things like real temperature data and incriminating emails.

They will continue to perpetuate their hockey sticks in textbooks and dismiss "normal" climate fluctuations related to solar activity as poppycock, because it does not fit with their economy-crushing ends.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Andy, I'm with you. That 43% must be a dim-witted, short-tempered crowd with blinkers on their eyes and no perpetually on their lips.

Did I just describe a Republican?

Golly!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 19, 2010 2:02 PM
**************
The balance of 57% must be folks with their hands out for working people to put free money in. That would be about in line with the number of people paying taxes.

Posted by: vickie105 | April 19, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Andy, I'm with you. That 43% must be a dim-witted, short-tempered crowd with blinkers on their eyes and no perpetually on their lips.

Did I just describe a Republican?

Golly!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 19, 2010 2:02 PM
**************
The balance of 57% must be folks with their hands out for working people to put free money in. That would be about in line with the number of people paying taxes.

Posted by: vickie105 | April 19, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Andy, I'm with you. That 43% must be a dim-witted, short-tempered crowd with blinkers on their eyes and no perpetually on their lips.

Did I just describe a Republican?

Golly!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 19, 2010 2:02 PM
**************
The balance of 57% must be folks with their hands out for working people to put free money in. That would be about in line with the number of people paying taxes.

Posted by: vickie105 | April 19, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Andy, I'm with you. That 43% must be a dim-witted, short-tempered crowd with blinkers on their eyes and no perpetually on their lips.

Did I just describe a Republican?

Golly!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 19, 2010 2:02 PM
**************
The balance of 57% must be folks with their hands out for working people to put free money in. That would be about in line with the number of people paying taxes.

Posted by: vickie105 | April 19, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Good Morning Right-Wing Patriots, Good Morning Left-Wing Freedom-Haters,

A bunch of white supremacists and a bunch of hippies clashed outside Los Angeles City Hall last week in what one policeman described as "one group of racists protesting another group of racists." Five people were arrested for assault and for throwing rocks and bottles at the police, all of them on the hippie side of the equation.

violent leftist hippies. NOT coming to a MSM broadcast near you anytime soon.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Chairman Zero's Favorite Propaganda Outlet Paid No Taxes Last Year

This is interesting. MSNBC (a.k.a. MSDNC) has been an uncompromising, one-note shill for Chairman Zero and the Obamacrat party. MSDNC is owned by General Electric, which received $140 Billion last year in taxpayer-funded guarantees to bailout its finance division, GE Capital. GE's CEO Jeffrey Immelt is on the Chairman Zero's Board of Economic Advisors. GE also paid no US taxes last year.

Usually, the progressive left gets all twitter-pated about "corporate media" and big corporations who receive government bailouts while paying no taxes; but if the corporation in question is a member of Team Zero, they are exempt from such criticism.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

LOL @ the democrats trying to claim the analysis is biased.

Do you trust the government?
• 3% - Always
• 19% - Most of the time
• 65% - Some of the time
• 11% - never

22% always or most of the time trust the government.

76% only trust government some or never. Nice try, idiots.

Posted by: FatLibertarian | April 19, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

from one of the gun nut rallies today:

"That's why we have some primaries this year, and we need to send them a message that we are coming for the Republican RINOS [Republicans In Name Only], not just the Democrats ... that's the second event in November," he said, referring to midterm elections.'

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

How can an American not trust Government?
We are the Government.
We are responsible.
There is no one else to blame.
To trust ourselves we need to be trustworthy.
Be trustworthy.

Posted by: ray18 | April 19, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Joe Klein, a fluffer for a declining, little-read propaganda rag called TIME, told MSNBC that Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin were "potentially committing sedition" because of their criticisms of Chairman Zero and his regime.


Klein, as it turns out, has a history of accusing anyone who criticizes Chairman Zero of sedition.

Joe Klein accused Senator (Tom) Coburn of committing sedition in December. He accused FOX News of committing sedition in October.

"You know, I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!"

I may be wrong, but I seem to remember hearing that somewhere before.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

posts from other sites offer other viewpoints

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

yeah, far left and insanely far left.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

blarg, posts from other sites offer other viewpoints. people who only 'express their own opinions' often enough just drool the same banality over and over again.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Because leftists are fundamentally wrong at the most basic level, they can only advance their cause through coercion and subterfuge. Not all of the fakery is as sophisticated as Chairman Zero's crusade against Goldman Sachs. For example, at last week's Tea Party in Albany, NY, a moonbat was passing out socialist propaganda crudely altered to look like it had been produced by patriots

http://nassautea.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/spusa-tpusa-cover.jpg

On the lower right, we see that this is supposedly "A Tea Party USA Statement." Anyone ever heard of that outfit? But lower down and to the left it reads, "Printed by SP USA National Office Staff." We know who they are.

Here's what the original document looked like, before the infil-traitor doctored it:

http://nassautea.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/spusa-cover.jpg

Nassau TEA Party comments:

Amateurish and incredibly crude, one wonders how they could have expected to fool anyone.
But then, I thought the same thing about the liberal media's campaign to pass off an ultra-left community organizer as an acceptable presidential candidate.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Andy, I'm with you. That 43% must be a dim-witted, short-tempered crowd with blinkers on their eyes and no perpetually on their lips.

Did I just describe a Republican?

Golly!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 19, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

" Just 38 percent said the federal government has an overall positive effect on their daily lives while 43 percent see its impact as broadly negative."

So this 43 percent doesn't think that our military does a good job of protecting our Nation? Or don't think we have the best interstate road system in the world? Or is that our National park system is the envy of the world? Or maybe its because our Public Universities are the best in the world? No wait maybe it is the fact that we do all this and still have one of the lowest tax rates in the developed world?

And I'm not even mentioning that fact that the big bad Government makes sure that our Gas pipelines don't explode (Of which we have more than any other country), that the FDA basically protects the world from unsafe drugs (most of which were designed using money or by scientist who work for the Government), and lets not forget that the government has to monitor (very efficiently I might add) all of the interstate trade in the largest economy in the world.

To that 43 percent I would say, running the world is hard, so quit your whining and help out or shut your pie hole.

Posted by: AndyR3 | April 19, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Block the Paste command

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

that would send poor drivl right over the edge. Not that it is a long journey.

Imagine the flood of emails at the ombudsman. It is not wise to annoy loons with too much time on their hands.

althought by now, I am sure her letters go straight to the recycle bin.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

The American Taliban is angry, violent, and ignorant, just like the original. Thank God we have a strong government here to prevent them from imposing martial law.

Posted by: argh2 | April 19, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

tqmek1


You just don't get it - the deficit is now OVER ONE TRILLION DOLLARS.


And Obama just passed the LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN HISTORY - NOT FOR THE DEFICIT - BUT FOR HEALTH CARE.


You scoff at the deficit talk - but you are being extremely irresponsible.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

The Obama administration has taken the election to mean that what they said was what the electorate wanted, when in reality the election was about who they aren't.

Posted by: Figgins

___________________________________________

The only comment on this page which demonstrates any idea of reality.

The Dems took power because they weren't Republicans. So, as all of you talk about how people voted for health care and global warming, you might want to reevaluate your position. People voted in hordes to send a message to the GOP, the Dems were simply indirect benefactors in a nation where voters seek independence from party lines but always refuse to vote for any independent candidate. The worst part is, in November, the Dems will lose massive quantities of seats to the same GOP that was just sent a bold message less than five years ago.

This nation is filled with people who have no clue, change their minds based on nonsensical hear-say and vote based on name recognition and party affiliation rather than any type of true merit. One might argue that this defines the word ignorance...but then again, that word seems to be reserved only for Dems or Republicans to throw at one another in arguing the same point which they are both clueless about.

People hate the government because they are finally realizing after decades of indifference, that the government in this nation represents those who pay the top dollar...and few others. Whether Dem or Republican, they are panderers who seek to say what you want to hear but then take action in contradictory directions.

End point, nobody voted for health care or the ultimate liberal agenda...people voted for CHANGE. And, not change from free market capitalism to socialism, but rather change from GW to something else...whatever it may be, it can't be worse. Well, as it turns out, it can be equally ruinous...just not in such a comical fashion.

Posted by: TheFreeMan | April 19, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

the anger directed towards Government will eventually lead to where is need to be focused,,, the Capital Class and their level of influence over society.

Too big to fail is too big to exist.

They have captured our media, politicians and our regulators ...

All of the so called balances of power have been captured and act in ways to enable the CApital Class to continue to Rule ...

none of the institutions designed to serve the people serve the people, they server the Capital Class facilitating the capture.

How's life in your end of the Veal Pen ?

Posted by: AmericanSpirit | April 19, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

No matter what name you are calling yourself today zouk -- whether it is moonbat, zero, brigade, all your childish monikers -- the one thing you can't stop doing is obssessing on me.

You really have a problem with women -- but then we knew that already with your 'hobby' and everything.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I have always hoped that people in Congress would have high morals. When I saw the way the health care bill was passed, with the corruption, lies and bribes, it really turned me off.

Posted by: farmsnorton | April 19, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Slick Willie is being sent out this week to warn us about the possibilities of violence. We should listen so that another "torching of Waco" doesn't result. We should trust him because he told us the truth when he said "I did not have sex with that women". Some of you will say that was a lie but he meant Hillary.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Chris,
The title of your post says "Why people dislike government" but the text says nothing about why, it merely comments on the intensity of their feelings and to whom they are directed. So, who is angry and why? Clearly those who trend Independent and Republican, but are they angry about the same things? Are they all equally angry about them? C'mon, how about a little reporting, please.
Thanks

Posted by: earnould | April 19, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Facts we know about Obama:

.


.


.


.

not even where he was born or where he went to college. those records remain sealed.

what is Lord Transparency hiding to the tune of millions of dollars?

Just how does one go to Pakistan on a US passport back then?

Oh well. We can worry about that another day. for now the weather has improved and berry's golf game needs work.

Oh and there is a crisis that if not handled by COB, will spell doom and disaster for the entire world.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

URGENT TO JANET NAPOLITANO...

REASON #1 FOR AMERICANS TO DISLIKE GOVERNMENT:

A MULTI-AGENCY PROGRAM ADMINISTERED BY HOMELAND 'FUSION CENTERS' IS SILENTLY TORTURING AND IMPAIRING 'TARGETED' AMERICANS...

...WITH A CELL TOWER- BASED NATIONWIDE MICROWAVE/RADIO FREQUENCY WEAPON SYSTEM.

AND YOU, SECRETARY NAPOLITANO, ALLOW IT TO KEEP HAPPENING.

Read these articles by veteran journalist Vic Livingston:

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

ATTENTION 'PROJECT GENEVA' TEAM MEMBERS:

Let me shortcut your important work; see latest "comments" pages of all relevant articles at NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | April 19, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse


"Here are the latest PEW poll's findings on people's feelings about government:

Basically Content 19%
Frustrated 56%
Angry 21%
Don't Know 5%"

Who wouldn't be frustrated at watching the constant Republican obstruction and malice?

Who wouldn't be angry about corporations buying the Republican party and writing legislation to suit them?

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Oh please this nonsense of hate the government just suddenly show when Democrats are the Majority, what happened when Bush lied hie way to a War of choice and spent over trillion dollars, where were you ? why nobody was complaining about the deficit, Punch of Idiots.

Posted by: tqmek1 | April 19, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I guess the Topic here is ANGER - and anyone can vent and rant away.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Well I've never trusted government, but I also realize they do far more good than harm in my daily life. Perhaps it's just me, but I like clean water delivered without interruption through the municipal utility. I like the roads, even the ones that are mostly potholes, and I like the fire department and I like the free flow of goods and services. Not so crazy about paying taxes, but then again they can't do everything for free.

As to answer the question posed in the title of this post, it's because people read the paper.

Posted by: caribis | April 19, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Here are the latest PEW poll's findings on people's feelings about government:

Basically Content 19%
Frustrated 56%
Angry 21%
Don't Know 5%

So 19% are "Basically Content" and 77% are "Frustrated or Angry."

Posted by: ttj1
-------------------------------------------
Thanks for the stats. Now wait for the drinldrone post that 77% of Americans are seditionists.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Bondosan

Im not going to tell you anything about myself - however I don't have that problem.


Yet, you feel you have LOST on all the issues, so you must devise personal attacks which may seem clever only to yourself.

Just the other day, you were trying to apply standards to these postings - and yet a few days later you have strayed way outside the lines that you yourself advocated.


Why don't you go to street and start calling random white people racist?


That makes about as much sense as your postings here.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The American people dislike government more and more because they see what's been happening to their freedoms, especially now that Barack Obama and the Democrap Socialist's are in the process of turning our government into a Obama-led and Democrap Socialist Party-controlled Police State.
Obama was a Communist and Saul Alinski--follower for all of his adult life and, as anyone with any common sense and no political or racial ax to grind can see, is still one today. Want to see what's been happening and our future with these Communists in charge, just read Saul Alinski's book "Rules for Radicals". It's all there on how to take over a society and change it to a Socialist and Communist one. Obama's just following the script.

Posted by: armpeg | April 19, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Here's your typical anti-government "patriot" vehicle - take note of the neo-nazi code on his license plate:

http://wonkette.com/414920/insane-death-machine-still-only-gets-6310-on-real-american-scale-for-forgetting-truck-nutz#comments

Posted by: marSF | April 19, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Too many generalities here.

Union payoffs at the expense of those of us who compete in the labor market as individuals piss me off. As does a stimulus that is helping Wal-mart (a payoff to Blanche Lincoln) but not my local hardworking hardware store owner (an across the board tax cut would have helped every small business- unfortunately Obama could not make as much political hay with it).

I'm not sure I have heard a more crooked, dishonest statement than when Obama said taxpayers should be thanking him. What a laugh. Wait til the taxpayers get the bill from Obama.
.

Posted by: hz9604 | April 19, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Too many generalities here.

Union payoffs at the expense of those of us who compete in the labor market as individuals piss me off. As does a stimulus that is helping Wal-mart (a payoff to Blanche Lincoln) but not my local hardworking hardware store owner (an across the board tax cut would have helped every small business- unfortunately Obama could not make as much political hay with it).

I'm not sure I have heard a more crooked, dishonest statement than when Obama said taxpayers should be thanking him. What a laugh. Wait til the taxpayers get the bill from Obama.
.

Posted by: hz9604 | April 19, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

look at that fat bloated white face --oozing hatred. That's your tea party in action. That's the face of today's republican.

Posted by: drindl


According to the NYTimes, the paragon of virtue and truth, the tea party is as anti dribbl as one can be. they are educated, succesful, wealthy, employed, non violent and involved.

Everything dribbl is NOT.

but you keep cutting and pasting old goat. I am sure those measures will change our system eventually.

then again, it's not like you have anything better to do.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

WashingtonPost.com web guys: Want to improve the comments on The Fix? Block the Paste command. I'm sure you can do it with Javascript somehow. Just picture it: No more copied-and-pasted articles from other sites, no more repeats of the same posts. Everyone would have to express their own ideas. Wouldn't that be interesting?

Posted by: Blarg | April 19, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Here are the latest PEW poll's findings on people's feelings about government:

Basically Content 19%
Frustrated 56%
Angry 21%
Don't Know 5%

So 19% are "Basically Content" and 77% are "Frustrated or Angry."


Posted by: ttj1 | April 19, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

What is the overall percentage of the total population that is unhappy? SUre we're unhappy at the current state of economic affairs, but this all stated to come down in 06-07. Would we have had a larger stimlus package that would have grown jobs sooner were it not for the party of G N O P?

As an independent who voted for 44, I would vote for him again. Why, he offers better solutions then any coming from the right. Oh, thats right they don't have any solutions except to drown government to the point it is unable to come the aid of any common man. Just the wealthy!

Posted by: nstein1 | April 19, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

This round of anger REALLY STARTED with the anti-war democrats - and how they treated Bush.


Take a look at the pictures of the signs at the democratic events in those years - the anti-war protests -

The violence in Seattle - it got to the point at which every international gathering of leaders the there had to be legions of RIOT POLICE TO CONTAIN THE LEFTISTS.

Obama talked like he was going to reach out to the CENTRISTS - but he hasn't.

Obama had his opportunity and he blew it.

NOW anyone who feels that way is labeled a racist by the left.

Well - ISN'T THERE GOING TO BE A REACTION TO THAT LABELING ????


I said after the Scott Brown victory in Massachusetts - a clear warning sign that Obama chose to ignore - that perhaps the labeling of people led to the discontent in Massachusetts.

This is out of control - the democrats do not want to reach out to the CENTER - they are still mad at Bush - and now they are going to be in-your-face.

This attitude on the part of the democrats led to the Tea Party Movement.

Even the comments on this blog - the sexual slurs of the democrats against the Tea Party Movement - and the other characterization REFLECT AN ANGER ON THE PART OF THE DEMOCRATS.

Good luck trying to solve this situation.

To this point - we have Colbert King at the Post re-hashing his anger from the Jim Crow Era - and the 1960s - and projecting that onto the Tea Party movement.


I find that highly inappropriate in this atmosphere - but someone at the Washington Post let that op-ed go through.

Sure - and just on this blog, we have people calling for calm and reasonable comments one day - and a day or two later acting with a complete lack of restraint.

Good luck.


Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

looks like a drindldrone, dripping with dependence

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Facts we know about dribbl:

she has no job, refers to herself as "semi-retired", mooches everything off her husband

She was raised as a "fundie" self described as having a tenuous grasp of reality and an easy time of swallowing loony propoganda

Her first job was as a village Idiot

Her MO is to visit hate sites and post non stop cut and pastes that she thinks we all NEED to see.

She is firmly conviced that there is only one conservative poster in the world and he goes by many aliases

she is famous at the fix for posting hate and anger for Bush for years, yet now finds any sort of opinion about the current present ident racist and violent.

she can dish it out but can't take it. same as all Libs

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

37:

I think the woman in the picture above is single.

This could be your lucky chance!

Posted by: Bondosan | April 19, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

It's getting harder to trust Washington's numbers. There was, for example, the not insignificant matter of fuzzy health care budgeting. (Snip) Investment advisors who manage large income funds and annuity plans are not particularly interested in issuing political opinions, but in choosing to invest so little in U.S. government debt, the managers to whom I refer are nonetheless making a powerful political statement. What these investors are saying is that the debt of the United States is not very appealing at this time.


would you lend berry any money? Of course not. his minions will be gone in a few months with him skipping off to permanant golf status a short two years after that. all that will be left is the rightous feelings from the left and the mountain of debt and regulation.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

mrgrbrad2


There was anger at Clinton when he was elected - so to say that the anger is racist ignores that simple fact.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

David Cole, writing in the May 3, 2010, edition of the Nation, notices a curious silence about the Obama administration’s recent decision to green-light the targeted killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen hiding in Yemen who has allegedly encouraged and even planned terrorist attacks against Americans. “In our peculiar post-9/11 world,” he writes, “it is apparently less controversial to kill a suspect in cold blood than to hold him in preventive detention.”

Better to blast them and their families and their neighbors from the air than to waterboard them. Trials are so messy. you can never be sure of a conviction. In the Obambi world, you can't even be sure of a trial.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

look at that fat bloated white face --oozing hatred. That's your tea party in action. That's the face of today's republican.

Posted by: drindl
------------------------------------------
Looks like a drindldrone, dripping with dependence, trying to supress free speech, something that has come to be expected and noticied by more and more people who don't subscribe to today's D bagging free lunch party.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

drindl


YOU ARE A LIAR - People voted for Obama because he said he was going to be BIPARTISAN AND POST-RACIAL.


The country has received in return - anything but that.


Obama is a FRAUD.

Bipartisan - Obama said he was "going to bring the sides together"


That DOESN'T MEAN GO UP THERE LIKE HE DID LAST SATURDAY AND TWIST AN ISSUE INTO A PARTISAN BATTLE.

Don't lie

If Obama was truly Post-Racial, he would never tolerate democratic operatives making false charges of racism.


AND Obama would be calling out CLOWNS like Colbert King who lash out in op-ed pieces.

DON'T LIE -


The lies of the democrats are not helping any conversation - it is only making things worse.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama skips Polish funeral, heads for golf course
Why not? Volcanic dust didn't disturb golf course.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Mark_in_Austin said:
The Ds ran explicitly on universal health care and were elected in part on that premise. The people who chose that premise now reject it, apparently.
____________
I voted for McCain because of the Democratic Platform i.e. I voted for a Republican I disliked because of the idea of universal health care--I already was well aware that Medicare, Medicaid, SCHiP and Social Security were in trouble; adding universal care was going to throw good money after bad. So no I didn't approve of it by my vote...
_______________________
The Ds ran on saving American jobs, then orchestrated the bankruptcy reorganization of GM and Chrysler, saving American jobs, which will probably not cost taxpayers much in the long run, thank God. Apparently voters hate that now, too.
_________________________
My sister and brother-in-law would differ with you on who things went so well in Detroit--one was underemployed the other unemployed by the GM/Chrysler bankruptcy and are behind in the house payments (as well as other payments) but through no thanks (not even unemployment payments) to the Fed govt my sister's employment is picking up and her husband has retrained in a new job...they did vote for Obama. So yes, they aren't happy now either.
_______________________________
How in h-ll can this nation be governed if the ideas that swept one party into office are rejected by the voters barely more than a year later?
_______________________
Don't know but it's a free country; people can decide that the politician elected didn't fulfill his/her promises.
______________________
I only have to go back to 2004/6 to make the case using reverse examples.

It did not matter so much when the party change was Truman-Ike-JFK. Now it looks like a sea change each time.
_______________________
Actually my parents voted for both Truman and JFK but not for Ike (oh, is that sedition?) Why am I using personal example--because voting is always personal...my parents didn't make a sea change. Truman was consider not as left as FDR but he was left; JFK was seen as a "new FDR". Yes, my parents were "trade unionists".
_____________________________


So, Mark: the only Democrat in my family who has jumped ship is me--I voted Republican. Now I attend TEA parties. The rest of my family are still Democrats and I think will still vote Democratic---they just aren't fans of the Obama administration. And for being strong Democratic party loyalists, this is going to be very interesting in both 2010 and 2012.

Posted by: mil1 | April 19, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

The Obama administration has taken the election to mean that what they said was what the electorate wanted, when in reality the election was about who they aren't.

Posted by: Figgins


that's OK. the next two elections will be characterized by the "Not D" vote cascading into landslide proportions.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Is it the really the government people are unhappy with or is it that President Obama is a Black man? It's astounding how all of this anti-government sentiment has reached a boiling point since the election of Pres. Obama.

Posted by: mrgrbrad2
-------------------------------------------
A statist, of any color, is a statist. It's quite archaic of you to concentrate on skin pigment tone instead of the issues of the day.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

look at that fat bloated white face --oozing hatred. That's your tea party in action. That's the face of today's republican.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Thursday 19 people were shot in Chicago alone -


Yesterday - Sunday - 7 people were shot in Chicago alone.


But the liberals continue to charge that the Republicans are on the verge of going violent.

Rachel Maddow has a show tonight - the commercials for the show say just this, over and over again - I wonder how many shootings there have been in CHICAGO ALONE since MSNBC started running that Rachel Maddow commercial.

Hey didn't the liberals complain that Sarah Palin had interviews in her show which she did not do?


Rachel Maddow didn't interview Timothy McVeigh.

Just mentioning............

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

"The Obama administration has taken the election to mean that what they said was what the electorate wanted, when in reality the election was about who they aren't."

What twisted BS. We voted for Obama because we wanted him to be president. What does any R know about why I voted.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

The rules of the game have been changed by the left. The post-partisan uniter has divided with Chicago thug politics. The left justified it's hatred of Bush but the same rules are not to apply to the one. This hyprocrisy along with crys of racism have less and less import everyday and sadly reflect on a group who when confronted with the facts of statism responds that facts are hatred.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

People that believe Obama & Co were elected because of the policies espoused during the campaign are trying to rationalize their vote against President Bush. Much like Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace prize for not being Bush (because he certainly hasn't done anything for world peace).

Bush wasn't even running, but the Democrats painted McCain with a very effective coat of Bush-paint, and that was all it took. It's no wonder that the voting public is angry. The Obama administration has taken the election to mean that what they said was what the electorate wanted, when in reality the election was about who they aren't.

Posted by: Figgins | April 19, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

This is why the country is becoming ungovernable, Mark -- because there is a flood of industry and rightwing disinformation and propaganda:

"Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky began attacking the bill Tuesday, saying it would allow "perpetual" taxpayer rescues of failed financial institutions. He used the word "bailout" five times in a floor speech and five times at a news conference Tuesday.

The issue of how to shut down large financial firms without a taxpayer bailout and without damaging the nation's economy was precisely the issue Corker [R-Tenn] had spent the most time negotiating with Dodd.

In the wake of McConnell's withering attacks on the bill, a distressed Corker took to the Senate floor Wednesday to defend his efforts while trying not to offend GOP leaders.

He said criticisms of the bill's bailout-avoidance provisions were overblown. And he said problems with those provisions could be dealt with in "about five minutes."

By late in the week, Democratic leaders were counterattacking, and a frustrated Dodd was wondering if he'd wasted his time trying to negotiate a bipartisan bill.

Democrats accused McConnell of following, word for word, a memo by GOP pollster and strategist Frank Luntz that said characterizing the bill as a bailout was the best way to kill it."

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Is it the really the government people are unhappy with or is it that President Obama is a Black man? It's astounding how all of this anti-government sentiment has reached a boiling point since the election of Pres. Obama.

Posted by: mrgrbrad2 | April 19, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Flights were grounded across northern Europe last week and air travel halted, stranding thousands, because of the eruption of a volcano in Iceland. Now, it turns out, none of that was probably necessary.

This is a long article. But the gist of it is that shutting down air travel across Europe was a hysteria-driven over-reaction to faulty computer models.

Gee, why does that sound familiar?

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

@Mark - It seems as if the electorate is suffering from collective ADHD. Republicans took virtually every close Senate race in the 2002 and 2004 cycles. I remember that Coburn's race was considered no more than lean R and he won in a walkaway.

A combination of reckless foreign policy (note to all--the Senate will never again mistake authorization for use of force for a declaration of war again) and sheer incompetence led to a series of unexpected victories for Dems in the next two cycles.

One might expect a swing of the pendulum back to the center, but it seems that this swing is accelerating and may be even wilder. I'm willing to believe that the TP'ers may form a working majority within the Republican party. When those such as Crist, McCain and Graham become designated RINOs, I doubt there will be the capacity within the Republican party to get anything done.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 19, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

There is danger in dealing with lowlife criminals, as the Obama-bankrolling crony capitalists at Goldman Sachs are finding out the hard way. The firm was at the top of the list of Obama donors, and was soon rewarded with mountains of our money during the "bailout" looting spree. But next on the hit list for nationalization is the financial sector, and Chairman Zero's old Wall Street friends have become expendable. A campaign coordinated between the White House, the SEC, and Big Media has been launched to bring down these capitalist exploiters of the proletariat.

As the Wall Street Journal makes clear, the SEC's case against Goldman Sachs is absurd. It's all about politics…

The SEC charges conveniently arrive on the brink of the Senate debate over financial reform, and its supporters are already using the case to grease the bill's passage. "I'm pleased that the Obama Administration is using all of the tools in its arsenal to bring accountability to Wall Street and standing up for homeowners and small businesses across America," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Friday about the SEC case. "This is also why we need to pass strong Wall Street reform this year." Of course, this case matters to homeowners not at all.
It does matter to the radical statists running the government, who will shove us another major step toward what used to be called communism by seizing control of the financial sector in the name of "reform."

FamousDC details the alarming extent of coordination between Democrats, the SEC, and the liberal establishment media in this latest attack on economic liberty.

Let this be a lesson to others corrupt enough to collude with the thugs in Washington. Play with fire, you will get burned.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I blame the system more than the members of Congress. In general, the politicians who excel are the ones who can maneuver best within a system. I don't think our current system is what the Founding Fathers had in mind. If our system were "better" -- whatever you think that might be -- we'd have different members of Congress.

And who's to blame for souring our political system? You guessed it: Frank Stallone.

(Norm Macdonald fans, anyone?)

Or you can check out this article at Slate.com: www.slate.com/id/2251101.

Apparently, the culprit is Bill Kristol.

Posted by: dognabbit | April 19, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

'Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) — who is running for reelection and holds a narrow lead over his Democratic challenger Bill White — is engaged in a desperate appeal to the conservative base to help put him over the top.

Perry, who is being rumored as a leading 2012 presidential candidate, was asked by the Texas Tribune’s Evan Smith whether he considers former President George W. Bush to be a “great” president. Bush was “a very, very good President,” Perry responded.

PERRY: At the end of the day, when the history books are written, I think George W. Bush will go down as a very, very good President. Approaching great? I don’t know yet because I don’t know if we’ve seen the –

A year and a half since he’s been out of office, this may be a little bit early to write George’s history. But here’s why he was an incredibly good President: because this man kept America safe. […]

Anyone who is not a rank political hack, who has an agenda, and looks at this President’s efforts — I mean, there are two things that I think people judge Presidents on: their safety and the economy.'

Indeed, Presidents can and should be judged on the two metrics Perry outlines: “their safety and the economy.” And on both those scores, Bush was anything but a “very, very good President.”

'In terms of keeping America safe, the deadliest terrorist attack on U.S. soil — about which Bush was forewarned — occurred on his watch. His disastrous decision to invade Iraq — which “everyone” in Congress now agrees was a huge “mistake” — has resulted in almost 4,400 U.S. casualties.

As for his stewardship of the economy, Bush inherited a budget surplus of $127 billion and bequeathed a deficit of over $1 trillion to Obama. During his two terms, median income fell, poverty rose, and two recessions occurred — one of which was a global financial meltdown.

If Perry thinks this was “very, very good,” one wonders what classifies as very, very bad."

There's no bottom.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Bondosan


Your comment at 12:44 - for the past few days, you have made several comments calling for more reasonable comments on this blog.


Yet, you then go and make a comment like you did at 12:44 - a completely personal attack.


So, please if you can not abide by the conduct that you ask of others, don't even bother to display your hypocrisy.


Don't lie - and I am accusing you of being a liar - about your sexual slurs.

You know that you made a sexual slur - and any denial of it is simply a lie.

Do you treat all white people this way ?


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Government is merely the outcome of political action. Its problems aren't so much liberal or conservative as they are corporate and class based. The rich twist arms to ensure their taxes are low and their offshore accounts are safe. The big corporations lobby for what benefits them. The people, meanwhile, are lazy and inattentive, and when things go bad they get angry because the system they didn't take an interest in doesn't work for their interests.

Posted by: thecorinthian | April 19, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse


'
NewThoughts your post was extremely informative, apparently the Press is intentionally lying about the results for some reason'


Newspapers are corporate interests -- they are longer independent, and they are so terribly fond of Republicans.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Americans should be protesting more; Can the current representatives be more corrupt than held the seat before them? Yes, they can and are. They answer only to biggest (bribe) lobbyist(s) offer them while selling out the people they are suppose to represent. They even brought the country to an economic debacle and profited from it. Tea Party people are those not represented by big lobby; if they could bribe and play the lobbyist game they just might have a shot. Till then, the average American, is getting a political lesson in how Capitol Hill works.
It is a sausage factory.

Posted by: mgregory29 | April 19, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Speaking to people who paid big money to hear him, he said, "I've been a little amused over the last couple of days where people have been having these rallies about taxes. You would think they would be saying thank you."

Thank you? For what, exactly, Mr President?

Since unemployment, which you pledged to never let grow past 8%, has been near 10% for the better part of your Presidency, should we thank you for the stimulus bill you passed that has made underemployment worse in dozens of states? You do know Mr. President, don't you, that under President Bush nearly one in twenty families worked but did not have enough to make ends meet, but under you that percentage has, for the duration of your time in office, held fairly steady at one in five families?

McCullough

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Bondosan

Your comment at 12:24 is a sexual slur


You are referring to a group of people with a sexual slur.

Im sure you are against all other slurs - I don't understand why the democrats think they are so pure - that somehow their purity allows them to use sexual slurs.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Stupid government building roads and codifying traffic laws having a negative effect on my daily life.

There's plenty of stuff that the government does at a state and federal level I'm not pleased with, but it's funny how the stuff that does (mostly) work gets lost in the noise to the point where that many people can say the government negatively affects their daily lives. When they get clean water out of the tap? Reliable energy in the switch? When they drop their kids off at school? When they drive to the store to get produce from California? When they turn on the tv and hear a free exchange of ideas (well, sometimes, kind of, it could at least be possible)?

Posted by: em15 | April 19, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans were unhappy with Bush (one of their own) and the Republicans are unhappy with Obama. Who are they happy with? Bush showed that cutting taxes and initiating wars had a devastating effect on the economy and led to skyrocketing deficits. The bailouts are a direct result of poor decisions made during his terms. Obama had no choice but to initiate bailouts. People are angry, but they don't understand the consequences of massive financial failure in the absence of bailouts. The protesters say they are angry with high taxes and high deficits. With the current deficit situation the only way that cutting taxes will solve the problem will be to dramatically reduce government to a level that will make it practically dysfunctional. A combination of cuts and tax increases is likely the only solution. With our aging demographics vast fiscal resources will be needed to keep social security and medicare propped up. Thus, deep cuts to SS and M will be needed to reduce deficits with lower taxes. Who is willing to give up SS and M? I notice the Tea Party members that say SS and M are unconstitutional are 30-somethings who have not thought deeply about retirement security. Easy for them. That will change. I guarantee the 60-something Tea Party members will not want to give up SS and M. The nation is up against the wall and angry about the financial budget problems that will be very hard to fix. Add to the mix the polarization of Congress and all the rancor, especially by the Republicans, it makes the public angrier. The Republicans seem to want to stir the pot thinking it will benefit them in the upcoming Nov elections. I am not sure what parading around with guns by conservative groups is doing to solve the problems. As far as I know gun legislation is not being proposed. The country needs a coherent dialogue and congressional leaders need to speak out honestly on steps that will work to solve problems and not accommodate special interests. We can do this by electing individuals that accomplish things beyond bringing home the bacon and show honesty in campaigning. We need to hold them to their word. We all need to think what we are doing and to establish the right priorities.

Posted by: citizen4truth1 | April 19, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

If anyone would actually like to see the Senate Republican "leader" attempting to weasel his way through an interview, here's the link:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/19/mcconnell-explains-wall-street-meeting-with-cornyn-2/?fbid=-VrDt6knv4U

37:

You keep making accusations of sexual slurs that simply don't exist. I understand that it's tough being a teenager, but someday, perhaps, you might find someone who will actually sleep with you without a promise of financial reward. When that far-off day finally occurs, I hope that you might become a little bit less sex-obsessed.

In the meantime, Zouk might be able to help you out with some "entertainment" websites....

Posted by: Bondosan | April 19, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

NewThoughts your post was extremely informative, apparently the Press is intentionally lying about the results for some reason

Posted by: Muddy_Buddy_2000 | April 19, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Seeing our political divisions as a battle between the culture of dependence and the culture of independence helps to make sense of the divisions seen in the 2008 election. Barack Obama carried voters with incomes under $50,000 and those with incomes over $200,000, and lost those with incomes in between. He won large margins from those who never graduated from high school and from those with graduate school degrees, and barely exceeded 50 percent among those in between.

The top-and-bottom Obama coalition was in effect a coalition of those dependent on government transfers and benefits and those in what David Brooks calls "the educated class," who administer or believe that their kind of people administer those transactions. They are the natural constituency for the culture of dependence.

tea party supporters are not in the mood to be bought off with $400 tax credits. They have a longer time horizon and can see where the Obama Democrats are trying to take us.

-Barone

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Gee, imagine my surprise when I read that dissatisfaction with government was higher among Republicans. Could this possibly be because those people cannot come to grips with the reality of a man of color winning the Presidency? If these people are really serious, would they please explain to me why they stood quietly by when the previous administration was trampling the Constitution in the worst way. That's right, we were fighting the terrorists and if we didn't go along, we were supporting terrorism. There is a lot wrong in this country, but nothing will improve until we start discussing real ideas, speaking the truth, and realizing that there are no quick and easy solutions.

Posted by: Denny_98 | April 19, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

A Blast from The Past- Remember this rant by angry, old, white, D bagger free lunch party member Hillary Clinton.

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic," a shrill-sounding Clinton shouted during her address to Connecticut's Jefferson Jackson Bailey dinner.

"We should stand up and say, we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration," she shrieked.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

i am so sick and tired of these headlines. hello?? WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT!! us, the people, the voters. WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT! i was watching bill clinton being interviewed a couple of times this week. he reminded us that we have the FREEDOM to vote our politicians out of office if we don't like what they're doing. the american people are acting like children. i'm mad and i'm gonna throw a tantrum (tea party) and blame the government. blame yourself. if you voted for these people, and they're not doing what you 'thought' you elected them to do, vote them out. if you voted but didn't vote for these elected officials, you can thumb your nose and VOTE AGAIN. if you didn't vote, maybe next time you will. but don't pretend like we are US and the government is THEM. you're deluding yourselves. take responsibility and take action . . . AT THE POLLS!

Posted by: robynsc | April 19, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

A Balst from The Past- Remember this rant by angry, old, white, D bagger free lunch party member Hillary Clinton.

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic," a shrill-sounding Clinton shouted during her address to Connecticut's Jefferson Jackson Bailey dinner.

"We should stand up and say, we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration," she shrieked.

Posted by: leapin | April 19, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"How in h-ll can this nation be governed if the ideas that swept one party into office are rejected by the voters barely more than a year later?"

Mark, I haven't looked at whole poll -- too long, but I think this is spin. Sure, there's a significant number of rightwingers who are really angry, but they are always angry when Dems are in power--doesn't actually matter what they do.

But if you look at this--


"Do you trust the government?
• 3% - Always
• 19% - Most of the time
• 65% - Some of the time
• 11% - never"

So, 11% never trust the govenment.

88% trust it always, some of the time, or most of the time. So I don't see how that's so bad.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

All politicians lie but Obama lies so much and so often I'm not surprised that most folks distrust him. He even lied to his wife when he promised her that he would quit smoking.

Posted by: hunter340 | April 19, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

mark_in_austin


The country wanted the Iraqi War in 2002 - look up how many DEMOCRATS voted FOR the war.


Then all of a sudden, it was all Bush's fault.


Soldiers had died and the democrats did not want to see the war through.

Talk about people changing their minds.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I think the Pew poll is discouraging, but not because of the threatened D losses. It is instead this:

The Ds ran explicitly on universal health care and were elected in part on that premise. The people who chose that premise now reject it, apparently.

The Ds ran on saving American jobs, then orchestrated the bankruptcy reorganization of GM and Chrysler, saving American jobs, which will probably not cost taxpayers much in the long run, thank God. Apparently voters hate that now, too.

How in h-ll can this nation be governed if the ideas that swept one party into office are rejected by the voters barely more than a year later?

I only have to go back to 2004/6 to make the case using reverse examples.

It did not matter so much when the party change was Truman-Ike-JFK. Now it looks like a sea change each time.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 19, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Bondosan


You say you want reasonable discussion on this forum - but look what you just wrote - sexual slurs and lashing out.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 19, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The nut parade never stops on the right:

'Ken Cuccinelli has made his latest play to curry favor with the GOP's far-right wing, and to turn himself into a power player in conservative circles.

The hard-charging Virginia attorney general addressed religious conservatives Thursday night at an event sponsored by Jerry Falwell's Liberty University -- whose roster of speakers included a self-proclaimed "Christocrat", as well as an evangelist who has claimed she can cure AIDS and other diseases through prayer.

Among the other scheduled speakers was Rick Scarborough, a Texas pastor who spoke at the recent Tea Party convention in Nashville, where he attacked gays several times.

Another speaker was Cindy Jacobs, a Texas evangelist and author, who has told audiences she has faith healing powers. "If you need any kind of miracle at all, you just get up and start to move towards the front, because the cloud of glory is gonna come," Jacobs said at a religious conference in Dallas last month, promising to cure hepatitis C, AIDS, glaucoma and cancer, as well as injured backs and feet.'

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Exactly, Bondosan.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

the people at these rallies are the small business owners who employ millions.
the day they decide they can no longer afford the mandates, millions more will be unemployed...
hope the employment gets better until the election or the dems will be out of luck and unemployed...

Posted by: DwightCollins | April 19, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Esactly.


"Do you trust the government?
• 3% - Always
• 19% - Most of the time
• 65% - Some of the time
• 11% - never"

So, 11% never trust the govenment.

88% trust it always, some of the time, or most of the time. That sounds like an overwhelming endorsement of Dems to me.

Curious how you can manage to spin that as positive for Rs. Just bizarre logic.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Ah, the wingnuts keep declaring that "November can't come soon enough!"

In reality, November WON'T come soon enough for them.

By the time folks actually vote, the boiling-hot tea bags will have cooled to room temperature.

It would also help if the Democrats began running some commercials about why, exactly, Mitch McConnell and John Cornyn met with two dozen Wall Street executives right before coming out against the Senate financial reform bill.

The Republican plan: Lie, Confuse, Obfuscate, Obstruct. Repeat until 2012, and then repeat until 2016.

Posted by: Bondosan | April 19, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Here is the real reason people rightfully distrust the Govt:

* The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775. You have had 234 years to
get it right and it is broke.
* Social Security was established in 1935. You have had 74 years to get it
right and it is broke.
* Fannie Mae was established in 1938. You have had 71 years to get it right
and it is broke.
* War on Poverty started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it right; $1
trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor"
and they only want more.
* Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965. You have had 44 years to
get it right and they are broke.
* Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to get it right
and it is broke.
* The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence on
foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24
billion a year and we import more oil than ever before.
You had 32 years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.

You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our
throats while overspending our tax dollars AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO
BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

And it's only going to get worse with the combination of this Congress and Administration

Posted by: NO-bama | April 19, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

It's real no doubt but disingenuous. When they get a republican in again, their anger will suddenly disappear.

Posted by: Grandblvd03 | April 19, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

while wapo may have forgotten, the people have not forgotten waco and the innocent woman and children killed there by clinton, reno and holder...

Posted by: DwightCollins | April 19, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the double post, but when I came back to the board it was showing only drindl's comment.

Posted by: tennesseemoonshiner | April 19, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

dribbl, how'd they get your photo on this thread?

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 19, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"The same can't be said of another event held just outside town today at Ft. Hunt National Park in northern Virgina. According to the Washington Post, protesters at the "Restore The Constitution" rally will take advantage of new gun laws signed by President Obama allowing the carrying of firearms in national parks to make 'an armed stand for liberty today.'

Rally organizer Daniel Almond put the event together "because he is upset about health-care reform, climate control, bank bailouts, drug laws and what he sees as President Obama's insistence on and the Democratic Congress's capitulation to a 'totalitarian socialism' that tramples individual rights," the Post reports.

Almond will be packing heat, and he's calling on others to join him. The park is just a few miles from downtown D.C.

Even groups inclined to agree with Almond under other circumstances are not amused by his plan to gather armed men with grudges against the government in the shadow of the Capitol on the fifteenth anniversary of the deadliest act of domestic terrorism in American history.

Over at the Second Amendment March, organizers want to make it clear they're not involved.

"People may be confusing us with another group that is holding an armed rally in Virginia on the same day as Second Amendment March," they write on their website. "That group is a separate entity entirely and is not at all associated with the Second Amendment March event."

An Oath Keeper's board member explained his group's decision to pull out of Almond's event April 12 to the Post.

"It had gotten to the point that it would be dangerous to attend," the Oath Keeper told the paper. "There are people out there willing to do anything to create chaos in an uncontrolled situation, and [the event] is wide open for disaster."

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Good work FOX NEWS and the 24/7 neo-con spin machine!

Take the rest of the day off -- and don't forget to pack some heat.

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | April 19, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Nice picture.

Got any xanex?

Posted by: tennesseemoonshiner | April 19, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

'Dan Gonzales, who Chairs the Constitution Party in Florida, asserted that "this is the end of America right here," and if the Tea Partiers "don't get to work we're going to be fighting in the streets."

He was not particularly kind to the Republican party either, claiming they were owned by the Rockefeller family.

Another speaker, who claimed Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) is gay, noted:

I'm a tolerant person. I don't care about your private life, Lindsey, but as our U.S. Senator I need to figure out why you're trying to sell out your own countrymen, and I need to make sure you being gay isn't it.'

a lot of these angry nutbags seem to be planniing to vote with their guns.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

The only good news for the Democrats in this is that it could cut two ways. Voters are ticked off at government because they feel it's ot accountable and is serving the interests of only a select few. Republicans right now are fighting the president on financial reform even as voters give Wall Street lower marks than even Congress. Enough folks start beleiving that the GOP is serving Wall Street and a backlash could develop.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | April 19, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Whoa! Analysis alert! (You can go to the PEW website and look at the actual survey)

The headlines talk about a lack of “trust” in government. Here are the actual results from the PEW website:

Do you trust the government?
• 3% - Always
• 19% - Most of the time
• 65% - Some of the time
• 11% - never

To state that most people don’t trust the government at all is a bit of a reach. This is like asking people: “do you think war is a solution to problems?”

• 3% - Always
• 19% - Most of the time
• 65% - Some of the time
• 11% - never
I guess using the same analysis you can say: 4/5 people think war is the solution to all problems!

Posted by: NewThoughts | April 19, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Many Republicans were stirred up by GOP leaders, and personalities with thier lies about govt take over,socialism, death panels, govt funded abortion, taking government back? They stirred up anger from the fear of the misinformed and uneducated followers.

Posted by: Vonnie932 | April 19, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

It is obvious why people do not like government. It is taking their hard earned money and spreading it to less deserving people. I don't need some writer at the Washington Post to tell me that. Duh.

Posted by: retabroad | April 19, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

This media and industry created tea party is going just where you might expect:

A Tea Party rally in Greenville, South Carolina over the weekend took some of the Tea Party's violent rhetoric to new levels, with speakers attacking everything from President Obama's citizenship to Sen. Lindsey Graham's sexuality.

The event was hosted by the Upcountry Conservative Coalition, a local South Carolina conservative group that describes its mission statement as:

We the People...are coalescing to reclaim our God given rights by restoring our Constitutional Republic.

The event took place at the Bi-Lo Center in Greenville, and featured former Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO) as its keynote speaker. Tancredo, who ran for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008, said that Americans are "going to have to pray that we can hold on to this country."

He added, referring to President Obama: "If his wife says Kenya is his homeland, why don't we just send him back?"

Pastor Stan Craig, of the Choice Hills Baptist Church, was particularly angry about the state of Washington, saying he "was trained to defend the liberties of this nation." He declared that he was prepared to "suit up, get my gun, go to Washington, and do what they trained me to do."

What, in seminary school? interesting.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Nice picture.

Got any xanex?

Posted by: tennesseemoonshiner | April 19, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Nobody likes government during a recession -- what else is new.

Republicnas don't hold 'the high ground' on anything.

As the economy returns, people will perk up. Except the perpetually angry sore loser wingers.

Posted by: drindl | April 19, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company