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A move toward divided goverment?

Republicans have taken considerable flack -- mostly from their Democratic rivals -- for being the "party of no", blocking President Obama's major agenda items but offering few big picture solutions to the problems of the day.

And, Republican strategists and even some elected officials have acknowledged that the party has not done much on the issue front. "This lurch to the left in public policy is helping Republicans even though we have not done that much to take advantage of it," said Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour recently.

The "party of no" charge has set off a serious debate within Republican circles about whether or not the GOP needs a set of policies on things like energy, health care and the economy to bring to the American public to maximized their chances at gains this fall.

Some argue that a "Contract with America" (part 2) is a necessity, others see it as unnecessary -- essentially handing Democrats a list of ripe electoral targets.

Buried deep in the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal national poll is a question that suggests that simply painting themselves as the loyal opposition to the President's policies might be enough for Republicans this fall.

Asked whether it is better for one party to control Congress and the White House so "they can work together more closely" or whether it is better for there to be divided control of Congress and the presidency "to prevent either one from going too far", 31 percent of registered voters preferred the former option while 60 percent chose the latter.

Those numbers mark a significant retreat from NBC/WSJ polling conducted in the fall of 2008 as Obama coasted to victory and Democrats prepared to significantly expand their congressional majorities. In an early October 2008 survey, 41 percent said it would be better for one party to control all levers of government in Washington while 48 percent chose the checks and balances option.

Other polling suggests a similar yearning for divided government among the electorate. In the wake of Sen. Scott Brown's (R-Mass.) victory in January that robbed Senate Democrats of their filibuster-proof majority, 57 percent of those tested in a Washington Post/ABC poll said it was a good thing because "it will force Obama and the Democrats to cooperate more with the Republicans" while just 36 percent said it was a bad development because "it will enable the Republicans to set terms before allowing anything to go forward".)

That data suggests that the overarching political dynamic that has governed American politics for decades -- deep divisions between partisans with independents leery of giving either side too much power -- may be reasserting itself in the wake of Obama's historic win in 2008.

It wouldn't be the first time that a predicted sea change in the American electorate proved something short of it.

In 1992, President Bill Clinton's election gave Democrats full control but just two years later those dreams were dashed by the Republican wave election.

Twelve years later, following George W. Bush's re-election race, there was talk everywhere in Washington of building an enduring Republican majority. By 2006, that idea was crushed by the debacle over Social Security reform and a series of ethical problems capped by the Mark Foley scandal in September 2006.

It's too early in this election cycle to suggest the sort of bounce-back effect that asserted itself in 1994 and 2006 will be in place again this November. But, there does appear to be a sentiment toward divided government growing -- a trend that should be worrisome to congressional Democrats hoping to hold their majorities this fall.

By Chris Cillizza  |  March 17, 2010; 12:30 PM ET
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There is something much deeper going on in the collective mind of the public than independents swaying one party or the other for power. The entire dynamic is changing. People are fed up like never before. The realization will only start to come in November. It is not about democrat or republican...it is about a new foundation, not a fix...demolition and re-build.

Posted by: antonebraga | March 18, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Nothing beats the Sportstrading during a close game. Like in the third quarter when the underdog scores, the line moves way up until the fourth quarter when the favorite scores back.

How quickly can your handheld refresh.

Very exhilerating.

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Yeah, I bet.  And your temperament reflects the joy you derive from your avocation.

Sheesh.  A gambler.  No wonder you're a mess, you hang around the lowest of the low class all day.  And you're a heavy smoker whether or not you smoke yourself.

No wonder you have so much derision for people who go to the gym.  Seen your feet lately?

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 2:36 AM | Report abuse

Anyone other than a sore loser goober who believes there will be public outcry on procedure really needs to get recored. As if a simple majority vote is in some way outrageous, as if there is so much reverence for the insurance companies that are cutting off clients in their time of need.

I predict that passage will start the restoring of esteem for Obama and the Democrats; whether or not any Republicans decide to start acting like adults remains to be seen. My guess: a few.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Both parties are just pushing their version of the status quo, which won't work anymore.


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What isn't going to work ??/

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Both parties are just pushing their version of the status quo, which won't work anymore.

Posted by: samnett | March 17, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Lipinski was just on - he said there were 12 people in the Stupak group - but the lists have only 5 or 6 - and they won't say who the other 6 or 7 Congressmen are.


HHMMMM

This is extremely significant - if it is true, it means that Nancy is really locked out of getting the votes.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Having a divided government seems to be a very well... complex idea an may even seem to be in a way chaotic. But literally that is how our world functions. Having a government that is had a mono-party seems to be incredible harsh, it's as if we are deciding to dictate ourselves.

Either way no one is going to really go against the system. Americans are already use to having two parties that seem to be divided down the middle. No one is really going to try to change that, even though the polls state this and that. Polls don't really mean anything in the end.

Posted by: ladisasterejp | March 17, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Suzy


You have to understand what we are up against.


We have democratic interest groups who are buying contracts on intrade - just to push up the price - and create the false impression that the probability is much much higher than it really is.


So there is extra money in there - money directed at creating a false impression, instead of actually making an assessment and making an economic bet.


THEN - after they've done that - they call their pals, and they get on the phone to their democratic friends - and they tell them to put into the democratic talking points.

SO you end up with people like 12BarBlues saying - look at intrade - look at intrade !!! - it is saying this number - it is all a deception. But 12Barblues will sit there calmly, telling you about orange juice and whatever to convince you of the deception.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Why did Obama go on FoxNews if he wasn't going to answer any questions???


It was disrespectful.


Obama was just trying to create another deception. Obama wants to create the impression of reaching out, yet he refuses to actually address directly the questions.


It makes Obama look like a fool.


Why is it that Obama goes out to fool people, and all he ends up doing is fooling himself ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, cut that off.

Vote possible Sunday.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 17, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Latest per The Hill.com

House Democratic leaders on Wednesday night said the long-awaited Congressional Budget Office score of the reconciliation bill will not come out until Thursday, forcing an acknowledgement that a Saturday healthcare vote is likely off the table.

But leaders are still hoping for a score on Thursday, and are still preparing for a possible vote before the end of the weekend.

The release of a CBO score on Thursday – triggering the Democrats' 72-hour clock –

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 17, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to keep the topic on intrade, but what I really like about intrade is that it responds in real time. An event effects prices right away. You don't have to wait for polls to get a snapshot of the mood towards some event. I noticed today, after the Kucinich endorsement of health care, that the share price is still about the same as yesterday. He must not have mattered much. The probability is still the same for passage.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 17, 2010 9:47 PM
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Everyone, please excuse us doing a little shop talk. Yes, it is instant assessment of risk and is useful for that purpose. Either Kucinich was already being counted (unlikely) or his vote does not put it in the bag (more likely).

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 17, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Nothing beats the Sportstrading during a close game. Like in the third quarter when the underdog scores, the line moves way up until the fourth quarter when the favorite scores back.

How quickly can your handheld refresh.

Very exhilerating. And profitable if empty headed liberals are around.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 17, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to keep the topic on intrade, but what I really like about intrade is that it responds in real time. An event effects prices right away. You don't have to wait for polls to get a snapshot of the mood towards some event. I noticed today, after the Kucinich endorsement of health care, that the share price is still about the same as yesterday. He must not have mattered much. The probability is still the same for passage.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 17, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I've traded in the futures market but it's much easier to understand than Intrade. If you hold a long futures contract to expiration (which is not advisable), you will have the commodity dumped on your front porch. If you shorted it, you will have to come up with I don't remember how many barrels of oil, or whatever, to deliver to someone else. In a way, it's the commodity itself that represents the other side of the trade.

Suzy, I agree about equities. Much easier to understand, fewer things to worry about like contracts expiring, and less risky. What's not to like?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 17, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Intrade has no stake in the game. The bets are between two cosenting players at a price. For example if the price is 60 you put up 60 to win 100 at the end. You adversary us willing to bet 40 to win 100 on not A.

Now once bets get in the 70 plus range it is hard to find doubters. So an additional market usually opens with some spread attached, such as Giants plus 3, now back at 50/ 50.

You don't get paid until the event occurs. I had to wait days on the bush/ gore electoral votes.

You can make money in the interim by betting it back during a large swing in the odds. You still have to put up the money but you ate guaranteed the spread.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 17, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

There is a two step electronic funding mechanism. It was a hassle the first time. But if you win it doesn't matter.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 17, 2010 9:26 PM

Yes Moonbat, I've heard that you can purchase a special debit card with a credit card and then use the debit card to fund an intrade account very quickly. I looked into that earlier this year when I saw Scott Brown starting to make the move up and wanted to buy more shares on him. Problem is, you have to open yet another account with some other web site to get one of those debit cards. It was just too much of a hassle for me.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 17, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

There is a two step electronic funding mechanism. It was a hassle the first time. But if you win it doesn't matter.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 17, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

@Suzy,

Who pays off if someone holds contracts to expiration? There is no underlying value to deliver. Intrade takes the other side?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 17, 2010 9:00 PM


12BB, I wondered the same thing when I first heard of intrade. Futures markets (for me) are more confusing than regular equities markets like Nasdaq stocks. I don't believe that intrade itself takes the other side. I believe they transfer money between losing and winning accounts. Maybe you are looking only at the "long" part of Intrade. They also offer short selling. In the Coakley/Brown race, there were two separate contracts - one for Brown to win, the other for Coakley to win. The Coakley losers paid the Brown winners. In the health care contract, there is only one contract. Shorting is "hidden" in the health care contract but it's still there.

Read the first paragraph at this link. There's a brief explanation of transferring money between winners and losers of events.

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/home/safety_and_security.jsp

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 17, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

@Suzy,

Who pays off if someone holds contracts to expiration? There is no underlying value to deliver. Intrade takes the other side?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 17, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats have hi-jacked Washington like a bunch of Somali pirates. And their leader, Barack Obama is acting more like Blackbeard, spending the spoils of victory faster than the mint can print what will soon be worthless pieces of gold. The country spirals deeper and deeper into debt and he just spends faster.

His biggest boondoggle has been trying to force the people of the conquered land to drink his special blend of health care kool-aid, while telling them that it is nectar from the Fountain of Youth. Those who resist him hear cries of "off with their heads!"

However, Blackbeard's ship is full of holes, and by November, it will surely sink.

Posted by: lesturgill | March 17, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

@suzy,

Since you have traded on Intrade, and I have not, what is a contract actually worth? Is 37th right that these are only worth pennies?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 17, 2010 8:27 PM

The way intrade words is kinda confusing compared to stocks. Intrade goes by "points." A contract that is selling at 65, for example, means that is selling for 65 points where each point is worth 10 cents. One contract would cost you 65 x 10 cents = $6.50. When a contract closes, it is either worth $10 or $0, depending on whether it turned out to be true or not. If you buy a share right now on the health care passage (currently at 70) it would cost you $7 for each share. If it passes, you get $10 in return (a $3 profit) minus a commission charged by intrade for each share. If health care does not pass, you would lose all of the $7 plus commission. Of course, you can buy or sell shares at any time. You don't have to wait for the actual outcome to happen.

Keep in mind, I'm not claiming to be an expert on Intrade. It's pretty simple after you get used to it (very similar to day trading, if you've done that).

By the way, the worst part about intrade is getting money into an account. Credit card companies consider it to be a gambling site and won't allow any money transferred to them. Electronic bank transfer is a headache because it involves a foreign country. Unless something better has come along, the only way (that I'm aware of) to fund an account is to mail a check to them (in Ireland) and wait for everything to clear. Fun!

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 17, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues

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You are so full of it - are you trying to flirt with Suzy now ?

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Typical of teh American Public, let teh Grand Opposition Party spend years wrecking teh country , then give the Democrats only two years to try and fix all the crap we are knee deep in and then give the GOP the keys to the sports car they wrecked after one party fixes the car. Boy are a majority of Americans stupid.

Posted by: Brainny | March 17, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

The number fluctuated between 35 and 80 in the past 24 hours - so it is clearly being manipulated.

And your assertion about the money is wrong

Today there have been 717 contracts totall - someone could have bought them all for about $2200.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 8:11 PM


37, there were only 600 or so shares sold at 35 cents. (see chart below). It's meaningless. This happens in the after-hours stock market all the time. Somebody got scared and sold his shares. Someone else came in and saw it as an opportunity. If you look at the chart of any highly volatile Nasdaq stock, you will see similar occurrences (mostly with stocks selling in the $1 range) in after-hours trading.

http://data.intrade.com/graphing/jsp/closingPricesForm.jsp?tradeURL=https://www.intrade.com&contractId=709242

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 17, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

@suzy,

Since you have traded on Intrade, and I have not, what is a contract actually worth? Is 37th right that these are only worth pennies?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 17, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

drivl


If you went there with 5K, you could probably drive it up over 95.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

The current intrade share prices for November elections are meaningless right now. The event is too far away. I would watch the slope of the graph more closely than the share price. The dems' slope is moving down, the republican slope is moving up.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 17, 2010 8:19 PM
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I'm positively impressed. Suzy is right on.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 17, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

For those who are convinced that the Republicans will regain either house in 2010, or conversely that the Democrats cannot lose either house, Intrade has futures contracts on just those outcomes.

Today, right now, the odds of the Democrats retaining control of the House is 56%. The odds of the D's retaining control of the Senate is 74%.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 17, 2010 7:38 PM


I bought shares in Scott Brown (at about 20 cents) when Martha Coakley was consistently selling at over 70 cents. Martha never made it above the magic level of 80 cents. Who won that race?

Intrade futures on the republican control of the senate will rise later in the year. Just like in day trading stocks, you have to bring in a lot of suckers before the professionals lower the boom. The current intrade share prices for November elections are meaningless right now. The event is too far away. I would watch the slope of the graph more closely than the share price. The dems' slope is moving down, the republican slope is moving up.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 17, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

this one trade on intrade incorporated is peanuts. It is a curiosity only. the big money goes to mainstream bets.

When there is so little money involved, a few committed dyehards all bet the price up with no actual knowledge of the situation. Barry himself doesn't even know the situation "at the end of the day, let me be clear".

If you went there right now with $5 K, you could not lay it off at 80. That is why it fluctates. Serious real world betters arrive and settle at the actual market price, not the onsies and twosies ego price from the loons.

It is the greater fool theory (like most social programs - SS, Medicare,Obamacare, etc) , and with a pool of patsy liberals with too much money they're not spending on health care, it is easy to take their money.

Posted by: drivl | March 17, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

37th,

Ok we can listen to your predictions. Or we can listen to my predictions. But, let's NOT listen to Intrade's predictions.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 17, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Suzy and 12BarBlues


The two of you are confusing me


I meant 12Bar was wrong about the money traded on the contracts

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Suzy


The democratic interests groups have been putting money into intrade in order to create false impressions.


So it's not that hard to understand that one is looking at a fake number.

The number fluctuated between 35 and 80 in the past 24 hours - so it is clearly being manipulated.

And your assertion about the money is wrong

Today there have been 717 contracts totall - someone could have bought them all for about $2200.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues

Intrade is manipulated - so don't put too much into those percentages

A swing between 35 and 80 in the past 24 hours means NOTHING

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I must admit you are the expert on that subject Ped.

Posted by: drivl | March 17, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Intrade makes no sense.

It certainly doesn't say what you say it says. It is probably ASTROTURF.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 7:48 PM


37, intrade means something when the share price gets above 80 cents (and stays there until the event happens). They have a 100% accuracy rate at that share value. I wouldn't be too concerned right now. The health care bill will fail.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 17, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


you understand the point - if you put some much weight into saying that intrade says the probability of health care passing is at 70, then why was the probability at 35 last night?

Intrade makes no sense.

It certainly doesn't say what you say it says. It is probably ASTROTURF.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 7:48 PM
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Every day, many people buy and sell contracts for hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions of dollars, based on how they assess the odds of HCR passing. Not on what they WANT to happen (that's a poll), but based on what they think WILL happen.

In the middle of the night some guys get together and do some kind of wierd little deal for a few contracts at some wierd price. How do I know what happened? Somebody screwed up, that's for sure because he walked away from 45 points of gain.

You think its the White House and some key bloggers trading like little demons in some kind of devious vast left wing conspiracy to particularly irritate the hell out of you. Right. That makes sense.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 17, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I think juries are steep spot on the slippery slope to Socialism.

People are pulled out of the work force and are forced to decide the fate of someone they have never met according to rules forced on all of them by the government.

Health care is heading down that path too. Imagine, everyone forced to pool their resources to create a system of care organized by regulations. That is scary, almost worse than not being able to get a mortgage unless the property is insured. Socialism is all around us.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 17, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


you understand the point - if you put some much weight into saying that intrade says the probability of health care passing is at 70, then why was the probability at 35 last night?

Intrade makes no sense.

It certainly doesn't say what you say it says. It is probably ASTROTURF.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

The health care whip count - I find two main counts on the net - one at thehill.com and the other at firedoglake.com

They tell two different stories.

The count is so close right now, I'm not sure the counts can tell us much beyond there are probably about 14 undecided democrats left - and Nancy needs about 12 to say yes - that is about the room for error - otherwise she doesn't have the votes.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

For those who are convinced that the Republicans will regain either house in 2010, or conversely that the Democrats cannot lose either house, Intrade has futures contracts on just those outcomes.

Today, right now, the odds of the Democrats retaining control of the House is 56%. The odds of the D's retaining control of the Senate is 74%.

Of course, it's still early days.

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/index.jsp?clsID=3&grpID=9620#

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 17, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like the zit that is zouk is about to pop.

Zouky, you think preadolescent boys in the USA have beards? HOW long have you been institutionalized?!?

Posted by: Noacoler | March 17, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


Did you see how the intrade went all the way down to 35 last night - then jumped up to 80 today before settling down ???

What is that all about?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 7:24 PM
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At the risk of repeating myself, I must remind you this is a MARKET where buyers and sellers agree on a price. How do I know why some people in the middle of the night did that trade? Your guess is as good as mine.

What I know today is that the contract is trading at 72, traded over 700 contracts today and traded between 62 and 80.

To reiterate for everyone else's info, Intrade has a contract on the probability of HCR passing. The odds right now are about 72, but were as high as 80% today and as low as 62% today.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 17, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Only 8 posts by dribbl today.

I guess after three years of collecting unemployment, the benefits finally ran out. Back to sweeping up peanuts.

Or perhaps she was finally committed by a relative concerned she would harm herself.

Posted by: drivl | March 17, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Dude, stop hitting the glass dick and go sign up for detox.

Posted by: Noacoler |


i guess after a certain time, when these things are dangling in your face all day and all night, that is what you see.

Is every post ever on this blog by the Ped about a certain feature of someone's loins?

Indeed it is. that is the alpha and omega of the world of Ped.

Posted by: drivl | March 17, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


Did you see how the intrade went all the way down to 35 last night - then jumped up to 80 today before settling down ???

What is that all about?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I’m going to Việt Nam, where the hammer and sickle flag flies proudly, guns are illegal, and nobody yammers about “supply an’ demand” or genuflects to a doddering dead actor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Where the average wage is sufficiently low for me to have several slaves with my horded troll gold, and a few boys for the upstairs. where I can hypocritacally use capitalism without recognizing it as such. where i can go to the air conditioned gym. where there are PSA announcement instead of health care. where the men have no hair, like me. boys too. whopeee. where they like to use grammar marks for foreign words to show off how clever they are. where a missepelling on a blog deserves a four paragraph rant. where the showers have no curtains and you can choose Norman Bates or Rahm Emmanual. Where tea bagging come in so many flavors.

Posted by: drivl | March 17, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

@12Bar: I think he's done. After a few dozen lectures on how great Reagan was he was again attracted to his own reflection and spanked it to self-reliance, then probably took a nap.

Actually I think my $18K under the table hit the bullseye.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 17, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Barry did not comport himself well on Fox. No wonder he hates going on there unless he is desperate. they actually ask him questions and expect an answer.

Quite amusing to see him hemming and hawing about the budget gimicks. even more illuminating to see him declare that "by the time we vote on this, it will be online for everyone to see" and not a minute sooner.

He didn't know what the conn. compromise was. Flashback to Palin except this time its for real. this is a bill he has been pushing for a year and a week out, he has no idea what is inside. what a putz.

all he knows, it seems, is that people write him heart wrenching letters. and I mean ALL he knows.

Posted by: drivl | March 17, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!!

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 17, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Nobody here is fascinated with pointless sex acts except PED.

Posted by: drivl | March 17, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

37th:

I can't imagine that they vote on Saturday if they really don't have the count down.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 17, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

@fruhoff,

Hey, man, you've got to boil your message down A LOT. First, seems like you've got some kind thing about blacks, then you got a hard on for the President, then you think Reagan was great, then some schtick about progressives, then... You don't get to write a book here.

Trying to follow you is like trying to make sense out of a spinning top...first, you're left, then you're right, then you do a somersault.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 17, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama reportedly said to Nancy that "he was good for 10 votes"


So now the democrats in the House are saying that they will get to 206 yes votes - and then leave the rest for Obama.


This seems a bit out of place - because at that point those would be the most difficult 10 votes. Everyone is sick of the threats and the pressure coming from Obama -

Chet Edwards democratic Congressmen from Texas said "they don't care about my political future"

Obama doesn't care about anybody's political future.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

The democrats have done serious damage to their party. In particular, like the religious wing of the Republican Party, the progressives will never be trusted by the Nation again. Come November and 2012 they will pay a heavy price for this. They will lose the House in November, and as the economy continues to tank due to the debt, borrowing and lack of any real stimulus other than to unions, Obama will be a one term wonder relegated to an argument over who was worse Carter or Obama. I think Obama will win that hands down.

In answer to the question below, it would be more credible and informative coming from a tea bagee such as yourself.
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Would someone please tell the Tea Baggers what Tea Bagging really is....

Posted by: Vercengetorix | March 17, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Bubbette1 | March 17, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Technically, I'm a wraith.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 17, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Would someone please tell the Tea Baggers what Tea Bagging really is....

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ssshhhhh it's too much fun letting them refer to themselves by a pointless sex act

@JakeD: just butt out. Nobody here is fascinated with JakeD except JakeD. You're boring and you're stupid.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 17, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I must now retract (have I ever done that?) point #2 below -- I have noted re: JakeD3 at least once before when we were all celebrating the Special Election:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/house/john-murtha-dies-special-elect.html

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 17, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Vercengetorix:

"Gay" once used to mean "happy", so what's your point?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 17, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I have never done the following six posts on any other thread (here or at Ezra's):

1) Given pointers for civil disobedience;

2) Noted that JakeD3 is a doppelgänger;

3) Told cstern1 that he / she had me at "gridlock is great";

4) Advised JakeD3 that he / she was dropped as a child;

5) Agreed with anything posted by JakeD3; and

6) Quoted ANYTHING from Andrew Sullivan's site favorably.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 17, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Would someone please tell the Tea Baggers what Tea Bagging really is....

Posted by: Vercengetorix | March 17, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler, my sentiments exactly. Only I been to Vietnam once. Not going back. Ever. But you're right about genuflecting before a dead third rate actor. i like that....

Posted by: Vercengetorix | March 17, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Bartlett and Bruce McQuain argue that the American people prefer gridlock and that, paradoxically, divided government (one party controlling the White House and another the Congress) is more likely to achieve conservative aims than having Republicans control both policy-making branches.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/08/hillary-the-rig.html

http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?entry=6647

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 17, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

You guys realized that jaked hasn't been on this board for a few days. He was on Ezra Klein's board trolling for responses. And now he's stopped posting on there and back here.

Wonder why?

It's because no one responded to him on there.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 17, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

need a hanky, D|PSH|T?

Posted by: Noacoler | March 17, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Barack Hussein Obama is a corrupt Chicago Affirmative Action product who has never worked a day in his life for anybody but the government. Big government is the only prism through which he is capable of seeing the world. He is a liar of immense proportion (did you hear him fake the "fainter in the crowd yesterday? It was really an anti health bill) and we will send him back to the South Side along with his ugly "never been proud of America" wife

Posted by: somers91 | March 17, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Barack Hussein Obama is a corrupt Chicago Affirmative Action product who has never worked a day in his life for anybody but the government. Big government is the only prism through which he is capable of seeing the world. He is a liar of immense proportion (did you hear him fake the "fainter in the crowd yesterday? It was really an anti health bill) and we will send him back to the South Side along with his ugly "never been proud of America" wife

Posted by: somers91 | March 17, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I'd like "I have an early tee time tomorrow" for $500, Alex.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 17, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

darn spellchecker winky winky winky

I'm not a racist I voted for ALAN KEYES

that's assuming Obama us the legitimate president

Obama is a MONKEY

I have early tee time tomorrow

my wife and I are moving to _______ to vote for _______

===

and there you have them all

Posted by: Noacoler | March 17, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

At least we agree on something : )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 17, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Repeatedly.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 17, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

No, you are "Jake" as if he were dropped on his head as a child.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 17, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Please keep in mind that JakeD2 is a tiresome self-absorbed idiot who does the same half-dozen self-referential posts day in day out and is an extremely boring person once you've seen his whole shtick

Posted by: Noacoler | March 17, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Indeed I am Jake, one might almost say, Jake as he should have been. Jake in 3D.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 17, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

cstern1:

You had me at "gridlock is great if you don't want government to accomplish anything such as health care reform, financial reform, climate change policies, new energy policies, job creation, etc."

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 17, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

dividend government without a large middle with the ability to forge compromise is a government of gridlock. Such gridlock is great if you don't want government to accomplish anything such as health care reform, financial reform, climate change policies , new energy policies, job creation, etc. In other words, if you like the status quo of rising health care costs,rising numbers of uninsured and underinsured, rising unemployment, rising income inequality, rising energy dependence, huge wall street bonuses, too big to fail financial institutions, unlimited corporate influence in elections, etc.It must be nice to think the market will solve these problems on its own despite all evidence to the contrary and that government shouldn't try to create the right incentives , infrastructure and policies .

Posted by: cstern1 | March 17, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

inmanorj:

Please keep in mind that JakeD3 is a doppelgänger.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 17, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Why do you think Socialism works? I'm curious...

Do tell...

Posted by: fruhoff
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Socialism works...so he doesn't have to.

Posted by: leapin | March 17, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

JakeD3...did you go to an IVY League School?

Half of America is projected to be Libertarian in thought yet align themselves Republican, Independent or Democrat...

Read up on what a Libertarian is before you go spousing of 1% numbers.

You are probably one of those Acid/Pot-Smoking crew from the 60s that was a protestor and is now ridiculing Tea Party protesting exercising the same free speech that you did during Woodstock...

Isn't turnabout fair play...

Learn "The Constitution"...it is THE law of the Land...

If you don't like it, then move to Europe

==
 
(*guffaw*)
 
You libertarian goofballs are always laying claim to people who don’t want anything to do with you.  You’re the true descendants of Jefferson, you’re the only people who understand the Constitution, 7/8 of the voters are libertarians but they just don’t realize it … yeah, sure.  One percent is spot on.  And you’ll never get to two percent, because only disgruntled sociopaths want what you’re selling.
 
Fact of the matter is that you guys are really nothing more than a conceited pack of undereducated losers who think you have everything figured out because you work under the table and don’t pay any taxes on your $18K per year.  Wow, talk about achievers.  Libertarians are the guys who work 12 hour weeks or 6-week years, selling fireworks and Christmas trees and the rest of the time squeaking by, living in basement apartments and watching TV sets that have rabbit ears.
 
You can make fun of Europe all you like; but at the end of the day life in most European countries is better than here.  Healthcare is a right, six weeks vacation instead of two, losing a job isn’t a death sentence.  Now roll your eyes about tax rates, why don’t you.
 
And oh, I am moving.  But not to Europe; I’m going to Việt Nam, where the hammer and sickle flag flies proudly, guns are illegal, and nobody yammers about “supply an’ demand” or genuflects to a doddering dead actor.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 17, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

To all the polititards that claim to be
Libertarian...


Destroying the institutions of government
is a childish and backwards.

Here are a few examples of how the Libertarian mindset
has bled into our way of govt. -

- Education on all levels have suffered
greatly, since 1999. Accountability at the
Charter Schools go unchecked, leaving
most kids uneducated and funding stolen, squandered, or misspent.

- Medical care under a libertarian non-existent. No moolah... tough nookies... DIE!

- Financial regulations that would have
protected your retirement... once again, since
1999 the regulatory offices have been allowed
to wither and die with no power to protect the people of this once great nation.


If the Libertarians had their way, we would all live the life of the movie 'The Gangs of NY'

Posted by: theman_in_black | March 17, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

NOACOLER....

Is your idol Mao Tse Tung, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Stalin, Lenin, Gorbachev,...Kamir Rouge...

I'm curious...as Europe moves from Socialism to Facism...again...

Why do you think Socialism works? I'm curious...

Do tell...

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

The further Reagan recedes into history the greater grows his myth.

Now we have a new all-caps droid screaming that deficits were good in the 80s and that eliminating safety nets was a good idea.

Hurry up and drive on, JERK, Reagan's dead and good riddance, he was a lousy president.

Posted by: Noacoler
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RR couldn't hold a peanut to the "Great Malaise" Jimah Cartah.

Posted by: leapin | March 17, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Fruhoff loves it in the butt.

Posted by: larsenist | March 17, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

someone posted:
"Liberterians fall under Independents. We are NOT Republicans."
***************

Jake D responded with:
"You are also 1% of the population."
**************

Really, tell that to Martha Coakley and Ma. voters.

Posted by: inmanorj | March 17, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Democrats never really had a filibuster proof majority even with 60 seats. A number of senators with a "D" behind their names are more republican than Newt Gingrich, while all the republicans apperently have Mitch McConnell's hand so far up their ars he brushes their teeth for them

Posted by: jmfromdc | March 17, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

JakeD3...did you go to an IVY League School?

Half of America is projected to be Libertarian in thought yet align themselves Republican, Independent or Democrat...

Read up on what a Libertarian is before you go spousing of 1% numbers.

You are probably one of those Acid/Pot-Smoking crew from the 60s that was a protestor and is now ridiculing Tea Party protesting exercising the same free speech that you did during Woodstock...

Isn't turnabout fair play...

Learn "The Constitution"...it is THE law of the Land...

If you don't like it, then move to Europe

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

The further Reagan recedes into history the greater grows his myth.

Now we have a new all-caps droid screaming that deficits were good in the 80s and that eliminating safety nets was a good idea.

Hurry up and drive on, JERK, Reagan's dead and good riddance, he was a lousy president.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 17, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

The despicable tactics used to force this bill on Americans is unpalatable to the majority, and rightfully so.

Secret back room construction, sleazy "special" deals, bribery, lies, manipulative and unconstitutional maneuvering leave a stench that will remain for a long, long time.

As an Independent, I do not thnk I shall ever vote for another Democrat after this unsavory Health Care debacle. I am disgusted.

Posted by: inmanorj | March 17, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Libertarians fall under Independents

We are NOT Republicans

---

You're also about 1% of the population.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 17, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I can see it . . . after the final economic collapse America will become a nation of good Comrades, being environmentally friendly, without having the constraints of technology. The new Green Jobs will be chain gangs and work camps, proven successful in Russia and China. It's guaranteed employment. Student loans will go to Marxists, while the unenlightened will receive shovels with farm jobs. China will graciously send over her advisors to oversee the removal of America's minerals and other resources. Pelosi's vision of JAIL TIME for Non-Compliance will become an exciting reality. SURPRIZINGLY, George Soros and many other wealthy Republicans and Democrats will become the leaders of the new Proletariat. The remaining citizens will have a Real I.D. also known as a tattoo on their arms or foreheads. It will be an 'eco-friendly' world of Social Justice. The only glitch is the people's belief in a God. We therefore need to murder as many Christians as soon as possible. Please join me in this great and last endeavor. "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be" Mathew 24:21.

Posted by: givenallthings | March 17, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Ronald Reagan's crimes were:

1) Running up the Deficity
2) Defense Spending which is related to #1
3) Cutting spending on Social Welfare Programs

Was that bad?

NO

Why?

1) He stimulated the economy with incentives to small businesses and entrepreneurs
2) Big business was able to grow bigger
3) #1 and #2 created more jobs which lured lower income and lower middle class citizens away from SOCIAL WELFARE (or as the Liberals like to say SOCIAL JUSTICE)...which saved Govt $$$$ and increased TAX REVENUE while reducing GOVT EXPENDITURES in the SOCIAL arena...

DEFENSE expenditures proved wise because it facilitated the downfall of many a Communist and Socialist Country (Sorry Democrats...I know you have a special place in your heart for these dictatorships that used to have BIG GOVERNMENT).

BIG GOVERNMENT will evenutally collapse and it isn't pretty and usually gets violent.

Let's get smart and generate TRUE non-government jobs and get these SOCIAL WELFARE people back in the workforce helping our country!

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Bush a progressive?!?

Dude, stop hitting the glass dick and go sign up for detox.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 17, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"Twelve years later, following George W. Bush's re-election race, there was talk everywhere in Washington of building an enduring Republican majority. By 2006, that idea was crushed by the debacle over Social Security reform and a series of ethical problems capped by the Mark Foley scandal in September 2006."

Say, do you think the war in Iraq may have had something to do with Republicans falling out of favor?

Posted by: lbataille55 | March 17, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"Twelve years later, following George W. Bush's re-election race, there was talk everywhere in Washington of building an enduring Republican majority. By 2006, that idea was crushed by the debacle over Social Security reform and a series of ethical problems capped by the Mark Foley scandal in September 2006."

Say, do you think the war in Iraq may have had something to do with Republicans falling out of favor?

Posted by: lbataille55 | March 17, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Liberals that think Progressives have "helped" the MIDDLE CLASS are in the twilight zone or brain-washed...

No wonder...

The Literacy rate in America has been on the decline since the early 70s...thanks to Progressive Leadership in Govt.

Progressivism has been a slow death of America as we used to know it...

Obama is trying to SPEED IT UP!

Nixon, Carter, Bushes, Clintons and now Obama...all Progressives that have been driving this country down (literacy and economy)

(Reagan = Conservative)

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Got a link for this 15%, fruhoff?

Didn't think so.

Since the TP founder carries a sign referring to the president by the N-word and racist sentiments about at TP gatherings, I doubt very seriously that many, or any, African Americans attend them.

Go spank it to your "self-reliant" conceit, randroid

Posted by: Noacoler | March 17, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey leapin -- you elected these folks for a reason -- I think you were expecting something out of them when you did. Go have your Big Mac and figure out what that is.

Posted by: sassafrasnewport | March 17, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

How can our government be "divided" when you can count on the fingers of one hand the members of congress who aren't owned by
the banks, wall street, transnational corporations, and insurance companies? They are nearly all united in their common "corporate- sock-puppet-hood".

Posted by: Jihm | March 17, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

WRONG - its PROGRESSIVE DEMs and REPs that despise the MIDDLE CLASS....

Conservative DEMs somewhat and Conservative Republicans are SAVIORS for the MIDDLE CLASS...

RONALD REAGAN increased the MIDDLE CLASS...all others (Progressives) have crippled the MIDDLE CLASS


"As the best and ultimate proof that Republicans truly hate the American people (middle class), take Orin Hatch and Lieberman and their views regarding Israel and Universal nationalized health care for Americans. Note: you can replace the name of Orin Hatch with just about any Republican senator and many "moderate" Democrats (aka Republicans) too, specially Lieberman, but for sake of this proof we will use Orin Hatch and Lieberman who have been most against any sort of Universal nationalized health care for Americans."

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The country could save a lot of Congressional salaries if it withheld the pay of Republican Legislators who are being paid to make sure nothing gets done.

I really doubt that the American people will fall for this ideological strategy.

In the end, they will ask what they accomplished. At this point its Zero.

Posted by: 189AROD | March 17, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I do not understand why the people that voted for Obama did not hear what he was saying about spreading the wealth. Of course we can blame the bias news media because when he made that comment to Joe they got so busy trying to get dirt up on Joe that everybody that liked Obama just heard that. Obama's statement was sweep under the rug real quickly. Every body said it was wrong to ask him why he spent so much time with Rev. Wright for 20 years but never heard one of those American hate filled sermons. No one thought it was necessary to connect him with William Ayers & his wife because they were with the Weathermen & his wife even helped to kill that cop. William Ayers said he is sorry he didn't do more but no one finds fault with a person like that teaching children. No one seems to think that no one was suppose to use Obama's middle name during the election, no one was suppose to ask him anything about his life in Kenya for years with his father & learning the Muslim faith. No one suppose to question him in his book stating he surrounded him self with radicals, socialist , communist, Marxists at college. I think that is what his czars. In fact it makes you sick that everyone in the bias media failed to say or question anything about this man because he could charm a preacher out of his profession if he wanted to. He is so indebted to the Unions that they do not have to go on this good for nothing so called health care bill, but they are out there protesting against people who are protesting against this bill. What kind of sense does that make? Does somebody want to answer any of these questions honestly or is this just a fact we must ignore?

Posted by: egw7777 | March 17, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Chris, you and the Republicans need to get a life! Deem and pass surely isn't
anything new in the House of Representatives. Trouble is--though--the
Republicans, who have used it over and over
while in the majority, want to redefine it now that they are unlikely to win on this one. What hypocrisy! Duplicitous!
Disingenuous! Add up the adjectives,Chris.
You and I both know how this works: the
Republicans sure are not "loyal" except
to other Republicans--not to the needs of
the people of our Nation. But "opposition"
you're damn right on that one, just add,
though, they're opposed to anything not
of--by--for Republicans. Please tell them
how to spell A-m-e-r-i-c-a-n-s!!
Clyde McDowell, RN

Posted by: clydemcdo
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Clod - Just be singing the same tune the next time another conservative is nominated for the supreme court.

Posted by: leapin | March 17, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

As the best and ultimate proof that Republicans truly hate the American people (middle class), take Orin Hatch and Lieberman and their views regarding Israel and Universal nationalized health care for Americans. Note: you can replace the name of Orin Hatch with just about any Republican senator and many "moderate" Democrats (aka Republicans) too, specially Lieberman, but for sake of this proof we will use Orin Hatch and Lieberman who have been most against any sort of Universal nationalized health care for Americans.

You see Orin Hatch and Lieberman have said, repeatedly, and I quote:
“Anything I can do for the Jewish people, I will do...”
"In short, I love Israel and Jewish people...."

And Israel has Universal Socialized Single Payer Health Care, as a result of which ALL Israeli citizens,
whether they are employed or not, whether poor or rich, have access to the same health care for free, well free for the Taxes
that they pay, which you can read here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Israel

And then you have Republicans like Hatch, quasi Republicans like Liberman, etc. opposing any form of Universal
Nationalized Health Care for American people, even opposing such a tiny step toward a
Universal Nationalized Health Care for Americans as the "Public Option", and in this opposition they say such things as:
"Universal Nationalized Health Care will lead to health care rationing.."
"It will lead to Socialism..."
"Government take over of health care will lead to Death Panels.."
"Universal Nationalized Health Care will lead to the ruin of US economy.."
etc. etc. non-sense
as a result of which Americans unlike ALL Europeans, Canadians, or Israelis do not have Universal Nationalized Health Care, as a result of which 2Mill+ Americans go bankrupt each year due to health care costs, at least 50,000 Americans die each year due to being DENIED health care because they have NO health insurance, etc. etc.

U can read full article here:
http://anoox.com/blog/UHC.37761

Posted by: RealNews1 | March 17, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

In Memphis TN about 15% of the Tea Party Activists are African-American...

What say you Liberals about those African-Americans who are "seeing the light"?

It is nice to see the light bulb go off for people who realize the Democratic Party wants them enslaved to Social Welfare...

99 weeks of Unemployment Benefits - Barack Obama

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

This blog is officially being censored now by THE WASHINGTON POST....

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I just love all of the sound bites that form the opinions in this blog. Does anyone really know what they are talking about -- as in facts? I sure don't because those unbiased facts aren't easy to come by. You either watch MSNBC or Fox, each of whom has their own spin; you listen to one side's paid advertisement or the other -- whichever may appeal to you at the moment. One thing seems abundantly clear at the moment. Republicans are interested in only two things: Vigorously opposing anything this president does, no matter what it is; and, their showing in the ballot box next year. Seems they're a little pissed about losing last time around and can't get beyond it to do a darned thing for the people they were elected to represent.

Posted by: sassafrasnewport
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A LOT of people don't need the government to do a LOT of things for them. They just want to live their lives. Some might want to have a Coke or a Big Mac tonight without having to look over their shoulder for statists like you.

Posted by: leapin | March 17, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Divided government? Or a PUPPET government of a multi-agency cabal that has silently seized power at the grassroots and in the corridors of power, using the most heinous of high-tech "tools?"

Please, citizens and political leaders, read these articles before the long arm of covert government censorship again extends its iron fist into Wa-Po's political blogs:

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-govt-uses-cbs-news-cover-microwave-cell-tower-torture
http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
NowPublic.com/scrivener

"I hold the unshakable belief that the good people on the inside of our federal government harbor a special disdain for "partners" who violate human, civil and constitutional rights as they use "national security" as a pretext for a peculiar ideological and social "agenda."

-- Journalist Vic Livingston, a/k/a "scrivener50"

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 17, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

fruhoff wrote:

"A good read discussing the growing black conservative within the "Tea-Party" Movement....Link below...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/19/black-conservatives-lead-role-tea-party-movement/


*** Oh by the way, Chris Matthews (MSNBC) - says its an all-white club......black citizens are appalled at such analogies as they feel like he has pushed them to the "back of the tea-party bus."

*********************

By "they" I take it you mean Michael Steele?

Posted by: abigsam | March 17, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Chris, you and the Republicans need to get a life! Deem and pass surely isn't
anything new in the House of Representatives. Trouble is--though--the
Republicans, who have used it over and over
while in the majority, want to redefine it now that they are unlikely to win on this one. What hypocrisy! Duplicitous!
Disingenuous! Add up the adjectives,Chris.
You and I both know how this works: the
Republicans sure are not "loyal" except
to other Republicans--not to the needs of
the people of our Nation. But "opposition"
you're damn right on that one, just add,
though, they're opposed to anything not
of--by--for Republicans. Please tell them
how to spell A-m-e-r-i-c-a-n-s!!
Clyde McDowell, RN

Posted by: clydemcdo | March 17, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Article on Frank Marshall Davis and his relationship with Barack Obama

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Chris, you and the Republicans need to get a life! Deem and pass surely isn't
anything new in the House of Representatives. Trouble is--though--the
Republicans, who have used it over and over
while in the majority, want to redefine it now that they are unlikely to win on this one. What hypocrisy! Duplicitous!
Disingenuous! Add up the adjectives,Chris.
You and I both know how this works: the
Republicans sure are not "loyal" except
to other Republicans--not to the needs of
the people of our Nation. But "opposition"
you're damn right on that one, just add,
though, they're opposed to anything not
of--by--for Republicans. Please tell them
how to spell A-m-e-r-i-c-a-n-s!!
Clyde McDowell, RN

Posted by: clydemcdo | March 17, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

But they have not been the "loyal opposition", since the demise of the Bush/Cheney junta they have:

1) Advocated secession (Texas)
2) Advocated armed revolution (Steve King, Indiana)
3) Opposed every single initiative, no matter how weak, of the Obama administration.
4) Called Pelosi treasonist.
5) Equated Obama with Hitler, Stalin and the Joker.
6) And so on, and so on, and so on.

Loyal opposition requires compromise and an honest effort to work with the majority to accomplish progress for the American people. Instead the Republicans have acted like spoiled, petulant children refusing to help clean up the mess that they made.

But, the people are stupid, they probably will put these morons in power in one house of congress or the other where they can spend all of their time launching specious investigations of Obama and his administration, still not doing anything to improve life for the American people.

Posted by: pblotto
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Then why the rejection of Paul Ryan who has made substantive proposals?

Posted by: leapin | March 17, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

So Furhof, just what is so horrible about Socialism? Please explain why you hate your fire department, amongst other things.

Posted by: daweeni | March 17, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

abigsam -- you give the Republicans far too much credit at present. They aren't fanning the flames of anything but their own self preservation.

Posted by: sassafrasnewport | March 17, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

This latest dtiveby doofus seems to think that writing "communism" will have readers hyperventilating.

Pulse holding steady. Sorry.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 17, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

But they have not been the "loyal opposition", since the demise of the Bush/Cheney junta they have:

1) Advocated secession (Texas)
2) Advocated armed revolution (Steve King, Indiana)
3) Opposed every single initiative, no matter how weak, of the Obama administration.
4) Called Pelosi treasonist.
5) Equated Obama with Hitler, Stalin and the Joker.
6) And so on, and so on, and so on.

Loyal opposition requires compromise and an honest effort to work with the majority to accomplish progress for the American people. Instead the Republicans have acted like spoiled, petulant children refusing to help clean up the mess that they made.

But, the people are stupid, they probably will put these morons in power in one house of congress or the other where they can spend all of their time launching specious investigations of Obama and his administration, still not doing anything to improve life for the American people.

Posted by: pblotto | March 17, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

A good read discussing the growing black conservative within the "Tea-Party" Movement....Link below...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/19/black-conservatives-lead-role-tea-party-movement/


*** Oh by the way, Chris Matthews (MSNBC) - says its an all-white club......black citizens are appalled at such analogies as they feel like he has pushed them to the "back of the tea-party bus."

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Fruhoff -- I owe you nothing. Do your own unbiased research, if you can.

Posted by: sassafrasnewport | March 17, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

LOL about Fruhoff's repeated posts. Just proving his own point -- he is totally blinded by his "facts" and wherever or whoever is feeding them. You've proved your own point pal. What is it they say something about "calling the kettle black?" Jeez Louise!

Posted by: sassafrasnewport | March 17, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Ah, another day of faith-based commentary by the anything-but-loyal opposition. Let's see how badly the economy tanks on the platform of nothing the Republicans in Congress seem to have espoused. Or do you want the government to get its hands off your Social Security checks too?

Posted by: DaveinNorthridge | March 17, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

sassafrasnewport :

Name which one(s) you dispute...instead of speaking in generalities....

I was specific so I expect the same from you.

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey Fruhoff: Actually, it might not be a bad idea if this president or for that matter, the last bunch, took some leads from China. By all accounts, that country is doing much much better than ours economically. Seems we have a thing or two to learn.

Posted by: sassafrasnewport | March 17, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

fruhoff wrote:

"You Liberals are blinded by your hatred...

Obama is 50% White, was raised by White family, is an Elitist and only hangs with Elitists. He didn't make a $ Charitable contribution until he ran for President.

His policies are Marxist/Socialist/Communist in nature (FACT).

FACT: His mother and father were Marxist
FACT: His mentor Frank Marshall Davis is a leader of the Communist Party USA
FACT: He went to Jeremiah Wrights church of hatred for 15 years
FACT: Another friend/Mentor Bill Ayers is a domestic terrorist who supports Communist Parties in the U.S.
FACT: He hired Van Jones who admitted he is a Communist
FACT: Obama worked hand in hand with ACORN who engages in helping illegal aliens into this country and facilitates child prostitution

...and the list goes on....

This has nothing to do with COLOR dude...this President...should be running CHINA not the United States of America"

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If anyone entertained for a single moment the thought that GOP opposition to everything Obama proposes is idealogy driven, and not fanning the flames of racism and hate to sabatoge Obama's success, need only read the drivel they write on these boards.

Posted by: abigsam | March 17, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey fruhoff: take your randroid BS back to Drudge. We already have your shtick redundantly covered here.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 17, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Fruhoff: Just where do you get your "facts?" I don't purport to have them all but I spot at least a few that are nothing more than the B.S. you are being fed.

Posted by: sassafrasnewport | March 17, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

You Liberals are blinded by your hatred...amazingly you support a President who:

Obama is 50% White, was raised by White family, is an Elitist and only hangs with Elitists. He didn't make a $ Charitable contribution until he ran for President.

His policies are Marxist/Socialist/Communist in nature (FACT).

FACT: His mother and father were Marxist
FACT: His mentor Frank Marshall Davis is a leader of the Communist Party USA
FACT: He went to Jeremiah Wrights church of hatred for 15 years
FACT: Another friend/Mentor Bill Ayers is a domestic terrorist who supports Communist Parties in the U.S.
FACT: He hired Van Jones who admitted he is a Communist
FACT: Obama worked hand in hand with ACORN who engages in helping illegal aliens into this country and facilitates child prostitution

...and the list goes on....

This has nothing to do with COLOR dude...this President...should be running CHINA not the United States of America....

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

You Liberals are blinded by your hatred...you support a President who:

Obama is 50% White, was raised by White family, is an Elitist and only hangs with Elitists. He didn't make a $ Charitable contribution until he ran for President.

His policies are Marxist/Socialist/Communist in nature (FACT).

FACT: His mother and father were Marxist
FACT: His mentor Frank Marshall Davis is a leader of the Communist Party USA
FACT: He went to Jeremiah Wrights church of hatred for 15 years
FACT: Another friend/Mentor Bill Ayers is a domestic terrorist who supports Communist Parties in the U.S.
FACT: He hired Van Jones who admitted he is a Communist
FACT: Obama worked hand in hand with ACORN who engages in helping illegal aliens into this country and facilitates child prostitution

...and the list goes on....

This has nothing to do with COLOR dude...this President...should be running CHINA not the United States of America....

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I just love all of the sound bites that form the opinions in this blog. Does anyone really know what they are talking about -- as in facts? I sure don't because those unbiased facts aren't easy to come by. You either watch MSNBC or Fox, each of whom has their own spin; you listen to one side's paid advertisement or the other -- whichever may appeal to you at the moment. One thing seems abundantly clear at the moment. Republicans are interested in only two things: Vigorously opposing anything this president does, no matter what it is; and, their showing in the ballot box next year. Seems they're a little pissed about losing last time around and can't get beyond it to do a darned thing for the people they were elected to represent.

Posted by: sassafrasnewport | March 17, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

fruhoff wrote:

"Isn't it funny how each month that goes by...more and more African-Americans are joining the Tea Party Movement...why?"

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Huh??? There isn't "more and more" of ANYBODY joining the tea party "movement." much less African-Americans. Didn't you hear? Their BIG event of storming the capital yesterday, where Fox "News" was predicting "thousands" only had about 200 people show up?

Some "grass roots movement" by the way. Started, organized, promoted, and financed compliments of Fox "News."

Oh in case I forgot to mention it, you're an idiot.

Posted by: abigsam | March 17, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

LOYAL? They're an opposition, alright, like the Wehrmacht opposed the Allies.

Posted by: daweeni | March 17, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

You Liberals are blinded by your hatred...

Obama is 50% White, was raised by White family, is an Elitist and only hangs with Elitists. He didn't make a $ Charitable contribution until he ran for President.

His policies are Marxist/Socialist/Communist in nature (FACT).

FACT: His mother and father were Marxist
FACT: His mentor Frank Marshall Davis is a leader of the Communist Party USA
FACT: He went to Jeremiah Wrights church of hatred for 15 years
FACT: Another friend/Mentor Bill Ayers is a domestic terrorist who supports Communist Parties in the U.S.
FACT: He hired Van Jones who admitted he is a Communist
FACT: Obama worked hand in hand with ACORN who engages in helping illegal aliens into this country and facilitates child prostitution

...and the list goes on....

This has nothing to do with COLOR dude...this President...should be running CHINA not the United States of America....

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love how the Repugnants call the Dems communists when they're in power and call them whiners when they're out. When in actuality, it's the other way around: The Repugnants are whiners when they're out and Fascists when they're in. How very Orwellian.

Posted by: joe3eagles | March 17, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

cnn-- abc-- ap-- washinton post.all are starting to carry stories and show their polls that the dems are heading for election disaster due to obamas policies and pelosi and reids actions.whatch the chamnnels when they bring on proffession campain people that worked for the dems.they all say very big losses.guess the problem is that these are right wingnuts talking.

Posted by: dagner49 | March 17, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Remember "process" only matters when coddling terrorists.

Posted by: leapin | March 17, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

To ALL you Democrats:

Libertarians fall under Independents

We are NOT Republicans

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libertarians are a stale joke. You're nothing more than Republican stepchildren, whining cigar-chomping perverts who get some odd satisfaction out of feeling betrayed.

Almost as insignificant as the AIP.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 17, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I assume this is another example of the Washington Post's attempt to help the rEPUBLICAN PARTY regain power. Most American's I know, don't want another "illegal war", spying on American citizens, fraud, pro-torture, and a vice presidential hit-team". Who wants a divided government with one half of the government by lying, stealing killers!

Posted by: mtaper | March 17, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

We have reached an all time low when Supreme Court Judges attend tea party hate rallies with Glen Beck and the rest against present administration. GOP have made it abundately clear that they would rather the country crash and burn before they will follow the leadership of a black president. Not one word was raised by them when Bush drove the country into the ground with deficits and wealth for the rich via corporate greed, wars and tax cuts for the rich. They can not justify the country being off track and be okay with the entire Bush administration era.

Posted by: Vonnie932 | March 17, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

"The Republicans were right about Iraq."
Help me out here. What, exactly, were the right about? Weapons of mass destruction? The 9-11 connection? That Soddamn Inssein was a threat to the United States? That we would be welcomed as liberators? The only thing I can think of was that the "surge" worked, and we should have put in that many troops in the first place. That's assuming we had a reason to go to war with a dictator no worse than the House of Saud or half the other dictators we've had to cozy up to in order to prosecute this war.

Posted by: Capn0ok | March 17, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse


Last week, both the Catholic Health Association and a group of 25 “pro-life Catholic theologians and Evangelical leaders” also sent Congress letters supporting the Senate bill.

Posted by: drindl | March 17, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

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Regarding the Catholics identified above ......

They do *NOT* represent the Catholic church's position on national health care.

The Magisterium does.

Here in the USA, they are known as the USCCB (U.S. Catholic Conference of Bishops).

The USCCB has wanted universal health care for all Americans since the 1930's.

However, they (like Catholic Stupak) reject the current bill because of its abortion language.

The official position of the Catholic church *REJECTS* Obamacare because of abortion.

Abortion is not health care.

Posted by: furtdw | March 17, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

To ALL you Democrats:

Libertarians fall under Independents

We are NOT Republicans

Democrats are becoming more isolated

Isn't it funny how each month that goes by...more and more African-Americans are joining the Tea Party Movement...why?

Because they realize that the Democratic Party WANTS them to be SLAVES to Govt. I sure hope more African-American's see the light and truly desire to become Independent.

Slavery supposedly ended in the late 1800s...well, in a different form...now low income African-Americans, Caucasians & other Minorities are enslaved to Social Welfare.

Private companies (small businesses) and Industrial American need to come back to FREE the enslaved lower income class.

DEMs & REPs drove those jobs from this country.

We need to vote out those that encourage this FAILING POLICY of so-called SOCIAL HARMONY or EQUALITY.

It is a failure and only encourages people to wallow in self-pity and not make something of themselves and help make this country a better place to live. One where you can actually have a chance to make your dreams come true.

Elitists & Progressive Politicians (both Parties) want to drive more of the middle class into poverty because they don't want NEW money to mix with OLD money or BLUE BLOODs.

Sounds crazy....but its TRUE...

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

To hell with bo's ego and block this Hindenberg Bill.Nasty pelosi,socialist reid,and tyrant rahmbo are willing to put America in the brink of econ.crisis with their obsessive 'love' of bo and his demanding tantrums.When bo finally destroys America with his extrav. not to mention his personal cost, he at least has other countries which would gladly bestow homeland rights - Indonesia and Kenya.And Hilliary would take pelosi and the rest of ganglanders to Canada with her.
STOP THIS COSTLY BILL before we all end up as 'waifs' in some Chinese provinces.

Posted by: somers91 | March 17, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse


"A move toward divided government?

Republicans have taken considerable flack...for being the "party of no", blocking President Obama's major agenda items but offering few big picture solutions to the problems of the day."

In assessing prospects for a future divided government, assessor-voters may want to consider how a dysfunctional Congress crippled by toe-the-party-line-demanding leadership leaves our domestic situation -- notably our problem-ridden healthcare system.

And what does deadlocked government do for our nation's competitive position in a challenging world?

Posted by: FirstMouse1 | March 17, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

ignoranceisbliss writes at 3:04 pm


Wrong Chris Sleazia.

_____________________________________

Chris:


If you pronounce your name correctly, you will not have this problem.

Think about about.

CHEE LEEZ ZA


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

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Only in the southern states. Where stupidity is encouraged.

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Posted by: A-Voter | March 17, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

This Libertarian needs to remind you...

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way to go, establish your absence of credibility right from the start.

And just in case soneone missed it, you go on to call Republicans "fiscally responsible."

Amnesia much?

Go buy more ammo an reread the juicy bits in Atlas Shrugged again.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 17, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

One tends to forget that for a number of years during the previous
administration the President, both houses of Congress and The
Supreme Court were of the same party. They could have passed
any law, repeal the controversial law, anything. They didn't.
Then in 2006 the President was of one party, and so was the
Supreme Court, and the public voted in the other party for both
houses of Congress. My point is "WHAT HAPPENED"? Nothing.

So regardless of the poll, it won't make a difference. Not as long
as there are individuals with their ruling passions and individual
agendas.

Posted by: RenoSage | March 17, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I like divided government when the opposition is intelligent as well as loyal. The Republicans were right about Iraq. They may be right again. So, I listen to them.

But mindless "No" is tedious. As are charges of a nature that few ever see as serious, thoughtful or reasonable.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | March 17, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Yeah a Wall Street Journal poll. REAL credible. The foreign-owned paper whose editors believe that an infallible spirit lives in money

what a joke

Posted by: Noacoler | March 17, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

That is why our Founders had a Tenth Amendment. States could be experiments of differing political philosophies and ideologies. The influx or egress of populations and capital could show which ideologies/philosophies were most conducive towards freedom and prosperity. People could segregate from those with whom they disagreed and congreagte in states where the population and government were agreeable in culture. In politics one person's freedom is another's version of tyranny. It was our misguided drive to have a uniform, monolithic Leviathan that made this two-party internecine quest for power so terrible. A liberal's version of good government is my version of tyranny. If most of the devisive issues were settled on a state by state rule then thos e who want a socialist utopia could congregate with citizens of similar beliefs and aspirations. Those, like myself, who want a Lockean, conservative government could sek a community of like minded citizens, then we could agree not to impose our views on neighboring states. We could emulate the Swiss Cantons and states in the early Dutch Republic that did not insist on national uiformity. Until then we must argue, distrust and dislike those of differing political ideologies because with a monolithic Leviathan one party must subjugate and conquer the other.

Posted by: chemistmike | March 17, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh, the rhetoric, each new Republican outdoing the other. Like the end of a bad Opera, this is getting a little screechy.

Please, Republicans, you just have to watch as Democrats do their thing. Democrats watched as you did the country.

You did a terrible job and left a lot of steaming piles and dead innocents behind you, so just breathe, plan to do better next time. Not being in control is not the end of the world.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 17, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Apparently the "Party of No" as you call them is the party of the American people.
These Marxists in the
democratic party are the party of Communism.
They should all be thrown out of office and their benefits stripped.

Posted by: garys_opinion | March 17, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Why should Republicans be rewarded at the ballot box? For having no plan, no ideas, no solutions, and for not earning their salaries and health benefits for over a year?

Posted by: Gatsby10 | March 17, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Your article conveys a sense of extreme desperation...

Posted by: NewThoughts | March 17, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Hello DEMs or Liberals...

This Libertarian needs to remind you...

Under Clinton, Congress was led by a Republican Majority that under the "Contract for America I":

1) Balanced the budget (Amen!)
2) Passed the Line-item Veto daring Clinton to use it (he did...LOL...veto-ing Republican Pork, but not Democrat's...but the Republicans knew that...Clinton still HAD TO CUT spending to use it...and even though it was Republican's...it still helped America...

Be...fiscally responsible...

Remember, the President doesn't control spending...Congress does...

When the President Vetoes he actually is cutting spending...can't add to it...

You really think OBAMA is going to veto spending or bills from a Republican Congress???

LOL...heck no...he LOVES SPENDING...it's at the core of his heart

This country has always fared pretty well when run by:

1) A Democratic President (Peace, Calm)
2) A Republican Congress (Fiscally Responsible Spending/Taxation)

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

There is no precedent to this 2010 mid-term election year.

Mr. Obama has awakened America...polls show, Americans are not buying what President Obama is selling. The product he is offering is massive government control of our lives. It is meltdown of democracy.

The Democratic party will pay dearly this fall for their allegiance to their party line...led by their radical unpredictable young president.

Posted by: adamscar | March 17, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

The majority in this country are not liberals and have no wish to be governed from the far left. Therefore, "simply painting themselves as the loyal opposition to the President's policies" is a sufficient strategy for the GOP at this time. This President had a chance to effect some genuine change in our government. Unfortunately, however, he has surrounded himself with too many liberal activists, extremists, and ideologues, and has chosen to abandon any pretense of centrist government.

Posted by: bubba31138 | March 17, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Wrong Chris Sleazia.

The only people getting the backing of the majority of the American Voters will be those that are fiscally responsible, and listen to their constituents. The fact that the majority of Americans don't want anything to do with the current proposed bill means, that those that vote against the desires of their constituents, will be thrown out. If the people that vote against it happen to be Republican, than they will get the support to replace the people that have continued to ignore their constituents. If the people that vote against this bill are fiscally responsible moderate Democrats, than they will be the ones that get that support.

This is not a Democrat vs Republican issue. This is currently a liberal extremist Democrat agenda vs. the American People issue.

Only fiscally responsible Democrats, Independents, and Republicans will make out well in the fall of 2010. Those that back the bill that the majority of Americans are against, will be thrown out of their offices.

Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are a complete DISGRACE.

Moderate Democrats, do you have morals, ethics, and fiscal responsibility, or will you jump in lockstep with the liberal extremist leadership? It is time for the fiscally responsible Democrats to take a stand, and start taking back the leadership positions in the House and Senate from the liberal extremists that have taken the entire party hostage.

Posted by: ignoranceisbliss | March 17, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

This whole idea that a great number of people who really are attuned to the political process are "Independents" is also hogwash. Independents are much less likely to participate politically---to vote---than are partisan Democrats and Republicans. People who care about politics usually take sides. Very few wind up being non-partisan.
Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN
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I don't know the basis for your claim, but a recent survey found that a majority of Americans now indentify themselves as not being affiliated with either party (i.e., independent).
That's the case in Massachusetts, where 51% of registered voters are now independent. And as we know from the Scott Brown election, they turned out in droves and were the deciding factor.
Personally, I'm a lifelong democrat. But I'm one healthcare vote (or deeming) from joining the independent ranks.

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 17, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

more savage inhuman attacks by the beasts of the right -- you wingers all need to have a 666 tattooed in red on your foreheads;

"Running the ad in Dahlkemper’s district is extremely insensitive considering both of her parents died from cancer within the past month. Dahlkemper released a blistering statement condemning AFP for the “false, tasteless, and shameful” ad:

“These attacks from a Washington-based front group are false, tasteless, and shameful,” said Congresswoman Dahlkemper. “In the past month, I’ve lost both my parents to cancer. It’s truly disgraceful for outside groups to then attack me for not being tough enough on cancer.”

“Like millions of Americans, my family and I have lost loved ones to this horrible disease. This is personal for me; I’ve been a strong proponent of the Kanzius Cancer Research Foundation and the work they are doing to find a cure, and I’ve encouraged more cancer screenings, particularly for women. My record and dedication are clear.”

Posted by: drindl | March 17, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

A viable opposition party is needed, but the Republicans seem hopeless. Democrats if they keep their majorities in the House and Senate will try to pass amnesty for illegal immigrants, cap and trade with higher utility bills, higher taxes on most people, further major reductions in Medicare spending within the next four years.

Neither party represents most ordinary, non-partisan people in this country.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | March 17, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I believe anyone with an open mind, looking at the past few years history of both major party's would give any observer a clear idea of them both. Since Clinton had the unholy nerve to be elected President and retire His Holiness George Bush the first early, the Republican Party has become basically a screaming, whining, no brained, no idea, slogan mouthing conglomeration of clowns that just want to be in power for the sake of being in power. In the Six years of their complete control of our government, their chance to lead us after a terrible attack that had all of America with them, what did they do?
Cheney had secret meetings with energy company's and we paid over 4 bucks a gallon for gas. They had a chance to wipe out the Taliban and lied us into losing over four thousand of our very bravest soldiers, most because they were ill equiped, as opposed to the Blackwater mercenaries who, along with KBR/HALIBURTON (Cheney you old fox, you.) took in money hand over fist. Three Billion a week borrowed from China went to make these fat cats fatter, and everyone seems to forget that Paul Wolfowits(sic) had promised that the war in Iraq would not cost us anything because the Iraqi oil would help pay for our involvement.
But enough about war and how not to win one. What about domestic policy. No child left behind was passed and enforced but never funded, adding to each of the fifty states watching their education budgets go down the toilet. Social Security - They wanted to privatize it. Grandma might have been looking for a death panel had that great republican idea been swallowed by the tea party gang. Let's see, Oh yeah. The great republican humanitarian effort for seniors to help them with their drug costs. Another plan that was financed by China, written by the Drug companies and left the seniors with the always welcome doughnut hole.
These people, at least the ones who make the talk shows and the news, are just despicable pieces of crap who when given power do not do anything but bask in it.
To those repubs who always cheer when the word secession is mentioned in a speach I would like to tell you that I cheer, too. So Texas, South Carolina and anyone else who wants to walk away from the good old US of A all I can say, and this is from the bottom of my heart. AMF!

Posted by: victory92 | March 17, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Moderate Libertarian...very active...have voted in every election since 1988 (my first eligible election).

I support the Tea Party because I believe in Fiscal Conservative Economic Policy.

Why? It's Responsible Economic Policy

Progressive Liberal Economic Policy is irresponsible and non-sustainable....

...Every President since 1988 has been Progressive...

They all Suck!

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

For those who don't know it...

TN has NO State Income Tax...we are NOT Progressive...which means when the economy tanks we don't get killed by LACK OF REVENUE AKA TAXES...wow, so much for Progressivism...

We pay Property Taxes and Sales Taxes...it works out fine....

You Northeastern States and California need to learn from Florida, Tennessee, Texas, Alaska and Nevada...

No State Income Taxes! dependent on Progressive Incomes...You can't sustain that type of Taxation Policy.

Hence why your states are on the verge of bankruptcy...your State Govts have fallen prey to the fallacy of Progressivism!

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Re: "A government job is not a real job. Government workers just take taxpayers money and do not create jobs or money.

Posted by: annnort
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Yea, remember that the next time you call a cop or have a fire to put out.


Posted by: EnemyOfTheState"

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Deflection. The original poster was referring to Federal Government jobs, hundreds of thousands that have been added by Obama so far. Average wage and benefit package of the Federal worker is now significantly higher than the average private sector worker. This is not sustainable, nor does it generate wealth or opportunity outside the government.

Posted by: libertyfirst1776 | March 17, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are still in the process of losing control.

Like the tiger spinning round the tree,
Republicans turn to ghee.
Babaji survives happily.


Posted by: shrink2 | March 17, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse


I'm glad the Republicans are currently the "party of No." Obama/Dems ignored their recommendations for proposed legislation and only a few weeks ago did Obama hold court on that sham called a "bi-partisan" HC Summit. Obama takes a few morsels from the Republican proposals, homogenizes, pasteurizes and neuters it, then deems the bill bi-partisan.

I would like all these progressive bills to be suspended in a "holding pattern" until we can vote the Dems, and then Obama, out of office. And maybe not in that particular order if we're lucky.

Posted by: janet8 | March 17, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Dude...we pay for volunteer fire departments here in TN...

Duh, the Govt does not pay them...

It works out fine.

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

It is GLARINGLY obvious that the GOP
isn't going against the Dems with
their 'NO' line of order in legislation.


The 'No' is against the American people!

The tendencies of the GOP leans hard
toward the Corp. interest of being
against Energy Reform, Financial Reform,
and Healthcare Reform. This is the same
stance the GOP held under the Bush reign


The old way of doing things haven't worked
for our people or business interests on the
whole. This Independent holds the only
hope in voting out all the Dems in Maryland
at the primary level. The GOP have nothing
to offer a much needed change in direction
in govt. What is needed is a pledge from
upcoming Primary candidates, that they will
not take private corp. money.

Obama had been able to run much of his
campaign on public contributions - the
state level candidates can do the same.

Posted by: theman_in_black | March 17, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"LOYAL OPPOSITION"!!!


LOL!! Now that's funny, the Rabid Lunatic Republicans in Congress are loyal to their Corporate Pay Masters, who own them like Pimps own Hookers.

My question is why would anyone in their right mind vote for a Republican, the same Party that Wreck this Economy, took this Country into Wars, pretty much Wiped out the Middle Class? Not to mention Outsourced over half of the US Work Force Jobs.

The Republican Party has only one ambition, and that's getting back into Power so the can fulfill their "FOURTH REICH AGENDA", to make this a Two Class System.

The Very RICH and the Very POOR, there won't be a MIDDLE CLASS.

For 8 years, jobs were Exported to other Countries, while the Bush/Cheney Crime Family gave Corporations Huge Tax Breaks, and charged it to the National Debt.

If Republicans are allowed back into Power, the United States deserves to become the "THIRD WORLD NATION", the Republican Party will certainly finish turning it into.

I wouldn't vote for a Republican for "DOG CATCHER", I wouldn't treat a Dog like that.

Posted by: austininc4 | March 17, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

You need gridlock govt...crazy fools....

Why? Govt's job is supposed to represent and protect the U.S. Citizens...not DICTATE...

The country should be run by the citizens of this country through business, social networks and family values.

You Liberal folks put ALL your FAITH in Govt...tend to forget about putting it in PEOPLE and yes GOD...

"One Nation Under God Indivisible with Liberty and Justice for ALL"

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

A government job is not a real job. Government workers just take taxpayers money and do not create jobs or money.

Posted by: annnort
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Yea, remember that the next time you call a cop or have a fire to put out.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | March 17, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

You betcha. As a democrat, I've been grateful for the repubs trying to put the brakes on this runaway spending train.
Adding insult to injury has been how easily dem lawmakers have dismissed the American people's concerns.
Gang rule is incompatible with a functioning democracy, which is why we're in the mess we're in.
Americans are smart enough to know that a little gridlock can go a long way in preserving life, liberty, and prosperity.

Posted by: mtpeaks | March 17, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

This whole idea that a great number of people who really are attuned to the political process are "Independents" is also hogwash. Independents are much less likely to participate politically---to vote---than are partisan Democrats and Republicans. People who care about politics usually take sides. Very few wind up being non-partisan.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | March 17, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats have succeeded in making "the poor" want to "stay poor"....

99 weeks of unemployment benefits? when are they ever going to go to work???

Obama's staff of which have 8% Private Sector experience only want to create Govt jobs which HAVE TO BE PAID FOR BY TAXES!!!!

If you add Govt Jobs without even matching it with Private Jobs, then you are inevitably going to INCREASE taxes for ALL Amercians.

Even an IDIOT can figure that out! at least I hope...

How is the economy going to sustain itself without a surge in the Private Sector (NEWS ALERT: Taxpayers usually don't pay for Private sector jobs...unless the Govt bails them out!!!!!)

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

A preference for divided government indicates a preference for lack of accountability. If one party controls everything, you know who is responsible if things get screwed up as was the case with Bush and the Republican Congress. I have never understood the case for divided government. Only the dim could favor divided government, because that is an invitation to gridlock, in fact a virtual guarantee of gridlock, which means NO problems are solved or addressed. If you want the U.S. to become a second-rate power, vote for divided government. Stupid.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | March 17, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse


Well, that's fine, so Republicans obtain a house majority, the the President becomes loyal opposition and uses the veto. By your logic, a Republican will eventually make the President more popular.

By the way:

"Contract with America"??? How can you have a contract where one party (namely 'America') neither wrote part of it nor put a signature to it? This kind of non-sensical phrasing seems to appeal to conservatives, kind of like "war on terror".

In idea, Contract, part II will be as stupid as Contract, part I. But perhaps that's what the GOP needs to appeal to its base.


Posted by: kenhyde | March 17, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

It is fortunate that the only polls that count in the United States of America are the ones with voting booths in them. If we allowed the other polls (statistical) to constantly control the country it would be continual chaos.

Posted by: scrub-brush | March 17, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Its not Judiciary Activism when you uphold "The Constitution of the United States of America" you liberal fools....

Right to Bear Arms
Government cannot impose healthcare on ALL Americans that THEY do not accept themselves (Ted Kennedy's Govt Healthcare cop-out itself is unconstitutional)

Congress must itself be subjected to the same healthcare they are imposing on U.S. Citizens (Ted Kennedy's bill tried to skirt that excerpt in the U.S. Constitution).

You fools that think its activism to uphold "The Constitution" need to move to another country where dictatorship is accepted.

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Read up on the Weimar Republic (Germany) and Zimbabwe to see what happens to countries who print money with no assets behind their paper money. It is called hyperinflation and there is no escape for anyone rich or poor.

Consider the tax increases required to pay off the $80 trillion of unfunded liabilities for Social Security (which now spends more than it takes in), unfunded liabilities for Medicare as it exists today (which will flip in the all to near future like SS), unfunded liabilities for Veterans Benefits, the National Debt (bonds & notes), and US currency held abroad. Couple this with the projected deficit spending currently signed into law by BO, the proposed Obama Care and the increase in Debt servicing now 7% of our National Budget and projected to be 11% in 2 years. YOU GET $100 TRILLION!!!

Tell me who is going to pay for this:
• The big bad corporations? They just price taxes into the goods & services they sell otherwise they go broke – no profits, shareholders abandon ship. Is YOUR pension money in corp. stocks?
• The filthy rich? Forbes recent 400 richest (by assets) don’t hold $2 trillion. Confiscate it all and it won’t pay the interest & inflation on the US debt & unfunded liabilities for ONE year.
Only idiots and hard core communists do not think about this. Read what the Germans & Zimbabweans had to say about trying to survive.

Social Security to Start Cashing Uncle Sam's IOUs
AP
This year, for the first time since the 1980s, when Congress last overhauled Social Security, the retirement program is projected to pay out more in benefits than it collects in taxes — nearly $29 billion more.

1. Raise taxes some more to cover this and there is less in the economy to spur employment.

2. Print money and spur inflation that hideous beast of price increases for everything OR watch the Federal Reserve raise interest rates HOW MUCH?? , real economy killer.

YOU WANTED CHANGE. HERE IT COMES.

Call your Congressional Representative and say NO to reconciliation on Obama Care which just piles trillions more on top of 1 or 2 above. Or ask your DOC what he thinks of Obama Care. Who do you trust more your DOC or Congress and BO??

Posted by: PRRWRITER | March 17, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

As long as Republicans don't overreach

As long as Hell don't overheat

Posted by: shrink2 | March 17, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Superficial comment. The real division is between those who want to govern with a bias toward equality versus those who want to govern with a bias toward the prosperous. Republicans and conservative/moderate Democrats favor the prosperous. Progressive Democrats favor equality - if the rich can have quality education, quality health care, secure pensions, then the middle class and the poor should also have these benefits.

Independent react negatively to the fighting between the parties. But they are unaware that the Republicans are out to undermine any faith in the government as legitimate except for war, property protection and prisons), and they are succeeding. They have no intention of moderating their attacks. They want people to believe that only private corporations act in the best interests of the common good and all citizens, and are entitled to huge profits since they are the real legitimate government of the USA.

Why not look at excess profits as a form of tax, at least for the corporations with subsidies or government contracts?

Posted by: Citizen0 | March 17, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Much of this is the democrats saying to the Republicans: You tell us how to reach our democratic goals.

Well the goals are not the same.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 17, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats take dividing government, and the citizens of this country, to a new level. The Democrats cannot generate the animosity necessary to pursue their radical agenda unless they have created class envy. "Greedy" rich, "Evil" Wall Street, "Greedy" insurance companies and Big Pharma are all boogeymen demonized by the Democrats. The "rich", according to Democrats, are "unpatriotic" because they only carry 70% of the Federal tax load, while 50% (primarily Democrat supporters) pay no Federal tax.

Meanwhile, the GOP wants smaller government and lower taxes so The People can run their own lives and spend their own money as they see fit. What is so evil about that? There was a time when personal liberty, individual responsibility and free will meant something. The Democrats constantly substitute excuses for responsibility, blaming the economic wastelands under their leadership on everyone but the people who live there and their own policies.

The first step to recovery is recognizing you have a problem. The Democrats blaming others for the fact that you are undereducated, or lack job skills because you have had a protected union job for too long, or perhaps have become too comfortable laying around on the public dole doesn't help you. Democrats resort to confiscatory policies to redistribute wealth in an effort to covert their failures, but that only makes matters worse. The more they give, the more dependent we become. You will never work for something if you can get it for free.

This is the reason that Democrat policy is unsustainable. It is playing itself out all over they country. Lavish entitlements, large public-sector unions with their expensive pension plans, and high taxes are sinking the liberal strongholds of CA, NY, NJ, MI, MD, MA, OR, etc.

Getting out of this mess isn't going to be easy. But the Democrats divide and conquer strategy will only make matters worse.

Don't blame the successful for being successful, for goodness sake. If anything, demand more of those that don't contribute anything to this great nation, and expect everything in return.

Posted by: libertyfirst1776 | March 17, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

AJAX2:

Looks good!

Anyone else interested in pointers for civil disobedience as well:

http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/index.php/resources/article/annotated_letter_from_birmingham/

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 17, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

This assessment ignores my belief we're a center-right country under any executive and legislative mix or match. The current swing away from Democrats is as much distaste for their priorities as some power balancing effort by the electorate. As long as Republicans don't overreach, clearly difficult to manage, they typically find favor with voters.

Posted by: ecrutle | March 17, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse


Another Choice For America


In 2010, freedom-loving people in America are taking the safety and protections of Our founding principles seriously and have decided to lead their community and state in this regard. Many are running for state political office and are literally campaigning on the principles of state sovereignty, independence and/or secession. You can visit the following site to see which candidates have signed what is called the “Ten-Four Pledge,” sponsored by Michael Boldin, creator of www.tenthamendmentcenter.com .

These candidates are doing what no generation of candidates has done in a long time: they are standing on the principles of true federalism, wherein the states have the power and even the duty to resist federal tyranny.

Consider their “Ten-Four Pledge” in part...

http://pledge.tenthamendmentcenter.com/the-state-pledge/

http://www.newswithviews.com/Timothy/baldwin112.htm


Posted by: AJAX2 | March 17, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Most of the posts are from people who have little or no education or were educated by union teachers with an agenda. In the past, the dems have given entitlements to minorities and encouraged them to sit on their couch rather than working a real job. A government job is not a real job. Government workers just take taxpayers money and do not create jobs or money.

As for this article, Obama is the liar in chief. He has used up his believability. We need at least 2 parties in this country and we need to be able to recall a rep or senator who goes to DC and does vote for what his constituents want.

Obama does not know what is in the health care bill. No one has read it!!!

Posted by: annnort | March 17, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Loyal opposition? The party of hate and fear!

Republicans have done more to destroy the United States of America and everything our society holds sacred than all the terrorists in the entire world.

What sane or rational person would vote for a party that has waged an active war for 140 years against the American worker? Look what they keep doing to the economy - turning control over to Big Business for a meer 30 pieces of silver.

Republican politicians should be arrested and held accountable for their corruption and open insurrection before it destroys our country and society completely. There isn't much time left before it is truly too late.

Posted by: BigTrees | March 17, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Interesting Statistics

A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International Health Organization.

Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after diagnosis:
U.S. 65%
England 46%
Canada 42%

Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment within six months:
U.S. 93%
England 15%
Canada 43%

Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six months:
U.S. 90%
England 15%
Canada 43%

Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:
U.S. 77%
England 40%
Canada 43%

Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:
U.S. 71%
England 14%
Canada 18%

Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in "excellent health":
U.S. 12%
England 2%
Canada 6%

I don't know about you, but I don't want "Universal Healthcare" comparable to England or Canada.



Moreover, it was Sen. Harry Reid who said, "Elderly Americans must learn to accept the inconveniences of old age." He is "elderly" himself but be sure to remember his health insurance is different from yours as Congress has their own high-end coverage! He will never have to learn to accept "inconveniences"!!!

AND THE WINNER IS VERY INTERESTING!

The percentage of each past president's cabinet who had worked in the private business sector prior to their appointment to the cabinet. You know what the private business sector is... a real life business, not a government job.

T. Roosevelt..... 38%
Taft................... 40%
Wilson .............. 52%
Harding............. 49%
Coolidge............ 48%
Hoover............... 42%
F. Roosevelt..... 50%
Truman...............50%
Eisenhower....... 57%
Kennedy........... 30%
Johnson..............47%
Nixon................ 53%
Ford................... 42%
Carter............... 32%
Reagan...............56%
G H Bus............. 51%
Clinton ............. 39%
G W Bush.......... 55%

And the winner of the Chicken Dinner is:

Obama............... 8%!!!

Yep! That's right! Only Eight Percent!!! the least by far of the last 19 presidents!! And these people are trying to tell our big corporations how to run their business? They know what's best for GM...Chrysler... Wall Street... and you and me?

How can the president of a major nation and society...the one with the most successful economic system in world history stand and talk about business when he's never worked for one?.. or about jobs when he has never really had one??! And neither have 92% of his senior staff and closest advisers. They've spent most of their time in academia, government and/or non-profit jobs....or as "community organizers" when they should have been in an employment line.

Posted by: leapin | March 17, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

There are 3 political parties in the USA - the Republicans, the Democrats, and the EPAKs. Ron Paul is an example of a REAL Republican. Dennis Kucinich is an example of a REAL Democrat. But just about everyone else is an EPAK ... an acronym I invented for Electorate Pleasing (expletive) Kissers. They may lean to the right or lean to the left, but EPAKs will usually say or do anything to ensure their election and/or re-election.

EPAKs are also the politicians responsible for legislative stalemates and are the REAL "party of no." Fortunately for them, the American electorate, in large part, has a sick fondness for stalemates. They may say they're in favor of one thing or another. But secretly, they'd just as soon not see the boat rocked too much - and will elect and re-elect politicians who cater to that ethos.

We truly get the government we deserve.

Posted by: JAlecWest | March 17, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

'The Supreme Court is itching to assert its power of Judiciary very soon!'

But I thought rightwing clowns didn't like judicial 'activism' -- LOL -- a joke, like everything else about them.

Posted by: drindl | March 17, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

CC a democrat? What a laugh.

Posted by: drindl | March 17, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chris! You're a Democrat, right? Since you work for the Washington Post, I assume you are.

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Just like Michael Gerson, Charles Krauthammer, and George Will. Cryptosocialist lefties one and all.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 17, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

One party will always attempt to paint the other with broad strokes. Demos say the Repubs are in favor of tax breaks for the wealthy and Repubs say the demos are in favor of more taxes. But I would suggest it goes much deeper. Repubs (of which I'm one) believe in personal responsibility. If don't educate yourself then you will likely be poor. If you're a demo then you believe the poor are poor because of some other outside influence (selfish white people). The majority of the population is no longer buying this "Victim" baloney. Rich people are rich because they work hard and took the time to educate themselves...poor people are poor because they did not educate themselves. There are exceptions...I know college educated people who are poor and I know High School dropouts who are wealthy. But I know know of any wealthy people who didn't work very hard to obtain that wealth. So all of this talk about a Government Divided is really the people putting their foot down and telling Leftist in Washington do not take this country down the road of socialism. Having worked with people (French) who are socialist, they are the most lazy, unmotivated workers I've ever been around. Almost as bad as the Russians. So you leftist out there if you want to breed a generation of people who have no drive and will drag this country down, then continue to push programs that breed these types of people.

blasttheleft.com

Posted by: brn2bwild2001 | March 17, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

People seem to forget about the Supreme Court...their turn to show-up Obama like he did at the State of the Union

They overturned Obama's handgun ban in Chicago...

Next, up...overturn the Healthcare Reform Bill as unconstitutional

The Supreme Court is itching to assert its power of Judiciary very soon!

Posted by: fruhoff | March 17, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

RealTexan must not get out much. "Party of No" generated 238,000 hits on Google, 82,000 more than "Party of One".

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 17, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chris! You're a Democrat, right? Since you work for the Washington Post, I assume you are.


Did not the Democrats do everything in their power to obstruct the Republicans when the Republicans were the majority party? Well, did they? I don't heare you!

Yes, they did!

Our government is DIVIDED by design!

If you want a one party dictatorship, go to freaking China where COMMUNISM is practiced OPENLY! Not in the dark corners of the Democratic Party!

Posted by: Indpnt1 | March 17, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"it would be every Democrats' duty to oppose, filibuster, strangle, and paralyze every single thing they do."

They won't. They'll simply sit down and cry.

They had the biggest congressional margins ever, they had the presidency, and they did...nothing but spend money, didn't help the economy, didn't much of nothin'.

The voters are going to reward them big time in the fall. Big time.

Posted by: Skeptic1 | March 17, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich says he will vote for the bill
Intrade is at about 80% that it will pass.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 17, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

tdp2012, America is just fine, but you, you are a mess, antidepressant medication is available. But the pills backed by advertising budgets are really expensive, better go with a generic, unless you have one of those Cadillac health insurance plans.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 17, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Please...

There could not be a better illustration of the cognitive dissonance of the average respondent and/or the ambiguity of the questions.

Citing absolutely no data, I am willing to guess that many of the same respondents who champion divided control "to prevent either one from going too far," will also lament and gnash teeth about how "Washington is broken."

The responses are worthless without some sort of open-ended question/response on how or why unified or divided control is better – or – how exactly "it will force Obama and the Democrats to cooperate more with the Republicans." The names and parties are interchangeable... How does one premise "force" the other?


But, hey, it sounds good in theory. Please...

Posted by: Goombay | March 17, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Last week, both the Catholic Health Association and a group of 25 “pro-life Catholic theologians and Evangelical leaders” also sent Congress letters supporting the Senate bill.

Posted by: drindl | March 17, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

You need a strong opposition or the political party in power goes off the deep end. It happened during the Bush years and it is once again playing itself out during the Obama Presidency.

Hoepfully, Republicans can gain enough seats in the Congress and Senate to temper the President's Progressive leanings.

Posted by: moebius22 | March 17, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

True Christianity at work:

" A group of nuns — “60 leaders of religious orders representing 59,000 Catholic nuns” — has sent Congress a letter urging lawmakers to pass health care reform and ignore the “false claims” floating around about abortion. From the letter:

The health care bill that has been passed by the Senate and that will be voted on by the House will expand coverage to over 30 million uninsured Americans. While it is an imperfect measure, it is a crucial next step in realizing health care for all. It will invest in preventative care. It will bar insurers from denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions. It will make crucial investments in community health centers that largely serve poor women and children. And despite false claims to the contrary, the Senate bill will not provide taxpayer funding for elective abortions. It will uphold longstanding conscience protections and it will make historic new investments – $250 million – in support of pregnant women. This is the REAL pro-life stance, and we as Catholics are all for it."

Posted by: drindl | March 17, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

As long as we continue to play this game of political ping-pong, nothing will change except for the worse. It doesn't seem to make any difference which party has the majority, power will be abused and the American People will suffer. Our most sacred document, the Constitution, has been stomped on and dragged through the mud by selfish interests until our forefathers wouldn't recognize it. There are NO honest politicians such as Evan Bayh left because they have been chased out by the criminals who have usurped our freedoms and emptied our wallets in the name of "national security" and under a thin disguise of altruism. We must cease being duped by false promises and blind assurances that "they" are working for the common good and remember that in 1775 we began a campaign to defeat a tyrannical overlord and succeeded against all odds. The time is coming again when we will be forced to either stand up as a nation and take our country back, or fail utterly to the greedy and the corrupt who now threaten our very existence.

Posted by: tdp2012 | March 17, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Chris,
I hear this all the time - "America really prefers divided government."

The problem I have with that idea is that we only have 1 national election. All of the other elections are state or district wide. Do you really think people go to the polls thinking "I am voting for Joe Republican because the Dems have the White House!"?

Granted, it does seem to work out that one party has the Presidency while the other has congress, but I am not ready to accept that most people are thinking that in the voting booth.

The big thing about any poll - as I am sure you are well aware - is who gets asked the question, how the question is asked and whether there are any follow-up questions. And, frankly, the Post/ABC polls were a little off in the last election.

My personal belief is that the Democrats are going to lose seats but not nearly as many as the Republicans believe and nowhere near as many as the media wants them to lose.

Posted by: TOMMYBASEBALL | March 17, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are the "Party of Yes" as is "yes, you can run your own life" and "yes, you can keep more of your tax dollars for yourself."

If this were true, they would still be running the country. No joke.

But the Republicans will not let people run their own lives, liberals carry the burden of that name for a reason. As for spending, Rs and Ds only differ on where the waste ends up.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 17, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I think if Republicans were able to take control of Congress, it would be every Democrats' duty to oppose, filibuster, strangle, and paralyze every single thing they do.

Posted by: drindl | March 17, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

When "NO!" is the sentiment shared by the majority of the American people, then it makes sense that the electorate would reward the "party of no" in the midterm elections. If you leftist sympathizers in the mainstream media would start using your brains instead of simply parroting DNC talking points, you would have seen this long ago.

Posted by: conservativemaverick | March 17, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Even though it is definitely good politics to be against the Obama agenda, Republicans need to show us something. If they win on an anti-Obama tune, it is a weak victory and can be lost next election cycle. If they win on a strong pro-American stand, their victory could be lasting--but only if they deliver. We need a sensible energy policy that will not double utility rates, something the household budget cannot stand. We need homegrown jobs, we need to bring industry back to the USA in order to pay off China and others who have financed out debt. We need common sense on social issues.
The Republicans cannot take anything for granted. After several years of one-party majority, voters forget what the Democrats are capable of doing to their country and return them to office.

This is definitely a chance of a lifetime for Republicans and for Independents if they choose to do something besides talk. I believe the majority of the country is now realizing that the Democrats have crossed the line from "progressive" toward the communist line of thought, wanting to rule all facets of life through a strangle hold on important issues such as health care, regulation of private financial institutions and so much else.

Stop jabbering Republicans, and take some responsibility to save the country from this mess. The mess this country finds herself in now is the only truly bipartisan effort to come out of Washington in the last 30 years.

Posted by: johntu | March 17, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

This is crappy inside received opinion that comes directly from the Republican political narrative.

If this legislation passes (and it already has!) then Democrats will come out winners all over the country. That's why Republicans have given up love of country to fight tooth and nail to defeat this bill! It is so obvious except to a Post "spin" reporter.

Posted by: walden1 | March 17, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

votingrevolution writes "...YES to Eric holder destroying the
CIA and for being more concerned for black panthers and terrorist 'rights' rather then protecting America in a time of war..."
Wait! What?
I'd ask how you get to this bizarre location but I really think the answer would be even more twisted.

Definition of a tea bagger - "someone from the far right who is so insecure he/she sees something to fear under every rock, sees truth as so relative that he/she just makes things up and who, deep down, really hates America.

votingrevolution, you don't just need a return key you need help!

Posted by: TOMMYBASEBALL | March 17, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

If people like a divided government then if republicans do take control I'm sure they will want democrats to oppose every single bill the republicans propose.

Posted by: Grandblvd03 | March 17, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

The media pundits may think it's logical that Americans will vote the Republic Party back in power to punish Obama and the Democrat Party. But 8 million people, including 2 million in manufacturing, lost their jobs under Republic Party economic policies. Those millions and many more millions lost health insurance. Millions lost their homes and pensions and savings through Wall Street's speculative schemes.
Do you really think those people will vote for the very party that robbed them?

Posted by: mongolovesheriff | March 17, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

It's all political strategy to use what you have to your advantage to beat your opposition ... and the American people are starting to wise up to that. Take this article in the New York Times, for example.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/17/us/politics/17mcconnell.html

I thought political ads ceased the day after election day in the media. Now I see annoying political ads on TV round the clock year round - I was overloaded with so many of those this week urging me to "Call my elected officials to stop [insert crusade here]..." I am getting sick and tired of being used like a political pawn.

I even got a recent call from what I thought was an independent survey about K-12 education, but the caller turned out to be "push-polling" a political agenda that is anti-union. I think I am about to go numb. Where can I find the nearest cave to crawl into and hide?

Posted by: TheNervousCat | March 17, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Since when is this "Party of No" crap surfacing? Only place I hear of this title is on WAPO.

Seems to be the Republicans are the "Party of Yes" as is "yes, you can run your own life" and "yes, you can keep more of your tax dollars for yourself."

Posted by: RealTexan1 | March 17, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

The problem is NOT one party..
THE PROBLEM we are NO LONGER ACTING AS ONE COUNTRY!

I cannot believe that not one person of either party has a different idea than the parties....
What happened to patriotism? Nationalism?
America First?

We are not Republicans Democrats,,
We are Americans....
Look we are broke... its a fact..
why not face up to it.. and do something rational... like bring work back to this country, we are no longer an industrialized country we are technocrats and most of our consumerable products are manufactured elsewhere...

Where are the Henry Fords, the people who put others to work and made America great.
Where are our Morals... take God out of everything you can and LOOK AT THE RESULT.

Why are we soooo polar... we need unity inside before we can heal the disease that is outside.

Posted by: loudubin | March 17, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

This country roughly stands as follows:

61% Democrat (silent majority)
34% Repblican (vocal, high decibel minority)
5% Independent/fence sitters.

Media-, mass media-, -lies, -exaggerations and -hyperboles apart.

Scientific guesstimate.

Posted by: mdsubramonia | March 17, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Opposition? What's "loyal" about it??

Posted by: cbl55 | March 17, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

the party of no solution continues to float in the toilet bowl. americans are very close to flushing the waste. religious extremism has no place here. saving water is enlightened. saving sewage is toxic.

Posted by: xxxxxx1 | March 17, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Of course Americans don't want one party to run every branch of government -- but that doesn't have anything to do with the opposition simply saying, "No...no...no!!!" all the time. Much as a functioning family has both a husband and wife, but both WORK TOGETHER for a smooth family life, Americans want both the R's and the D's to face problems, work together, and come up with compromise solutions.... Screaming at each other doesn't work any better in Washington than does a family when the husband and wife spend their time and energy screaming at each other....

Posted by: tbrucia | March 17, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans seem to have two core beliefs. The first is that capitalism is an economic form of Darwinian science. In their view, economic life is short, brutish and nasty, red in tooth and claw. The market, like nature, should dictate who wins and who loses. Government shouldn't get in the way, except perhaps to award special benefits to the rich, who by virtue of already having become rich have demonstrated their superiority to those who are not. In this philosophy, God helps those whom God has already helped. Government does play a useful role in massive investments, such as the interstate highway system, which then allows the rich to profit through real estate speculation.
The second belief is that anyone who doesn't agree with this time-honored textbook definition of capitalism is, ipso facto, a socialist. In other words, the Republican economic spectrum runs from nature in the raw to raw socialism, with no stops in between. This philosophy accounts for Sen. Jim Bunning's now famous economic insight about why it's OK to cut off benefits for America's unemployed: "Tough s—
The Democrats seem, well, let's be charitable here, confused. They like the market, but not so much that they trust it to make things work out equitably. They like companies, as long as they don't practice private enterprise. They don't begrudge rich people their wealth; they just want to reapportion it. The Republicans might be hypocrites who love the free market in theory and grab tax breaks for the rich in practice, and their economics might be indefensible on the merits. But at least they have a philosophy. The Democrats just don't want anyone to go home angry, so their economic policy offers everybody a party favor and a lollipop.
The whole thing would be laughably funny if it weren't so serious.

Posted by: sherardg | March 17, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I am all for divided government,
the Greens, the Socialists and the Democrats.
One party rule is a recipie for corruption.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 17, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Lets face the FACTS: Republicans (Reagan, Bush, Gingritch, Beck, Limbaugh, Bachman, Demint, etc. etc. ) have been and are utter complete lunatics.

To be exact what this means is that Republicans are paid agents of Rich & Big corporations (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Military, Big Banks, etc.) and as such they have been part of one of the Ultimate Con Jobs in the history of man kind, perpetrated on the American people, for the last many decades. The purpose of which Con Job are the following 2 Key objectives:
1- To give American people as little as possible for the Taxes that we pay,
2- To enable the Rich & Big corporations (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Banks, etc.) to get as rich as they can off
the back of the American middle class (people) by not having the Government (of the People by the People for the People)
regulate what they can do for the benefit of the People, such as have Universal nationalized health care, as all Europeans have, Canadians have, Israelis have, Chinese have, etc. or as we have Universal nationalized Military, Police, Fire, etc. etc.

And to get away with this Ultimate Con Job, Republicans have been saying any insane thing, any lunatic thing, no matter how senseless and illogical, such as:
1- "Government cannot do anything..."
2- "Government is the problem not the solution..."
etc. etc.
After all, if "Government cannot do anything..." then:
1- Why the HEK are we paying about 40% of our income in various form of Taxes*?
2- Are you saying that we should operate the US Military, Police, Fire, Courts of law, etc. etc. on private basis?

Much more here:
http://anoox.com/blog/Real_News.34034

Posted by: RealNews1 | March 17, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

In theory, Americans prefer divided government--at least when answering pollsters' questions--because it keeps things from veering too far one way or the other. However, divided government only works when BOTH sides can compromise, when BOTH sides are reasonable. In the current case, Obama is so far from being a Socialist as it is possible to be and still represent (moderate) Democratic ideals.

People need to be reminded, too, of the extremes that occurred under Geo. Bush's Administration, many of which (including incursions in the Constitution denounced by many R.s as well) dragged the country not only far to the Right, but undermined many of the earlier safeguards which kept things on an even keel, so that what might appear as an extreme veering towards the Left is actually a course correction back towards the centre.

By contrast, the Republicans have veered so far to the extreme Right that they are no longer capable of having reasoned, meet-in-the-middle discussions over policy--or at least have decided that it's not in their political interest to do so.

Whether the electorate will realise that or not remains to be seen, but divided government only works if Congress can be productive. If it results in gridlock, we're back to square one again. So far it seems that compromise is impossible as this polarised political environment continues.

Posted by: sverigegrabb | March 17, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh I went down to the Tea Party rally yesterday. About 100 folks were there. FOX, MSNBC, CNN - all the cable stations showed it.

Last Monday 5,000 Health care protesters headed to the Ritz. Protesters marched through downtown Washington Tuesday against what they called the insurance industry’s failure to support the health-care reform bill moving through Congress.

I saw nothing on FOX about this.


One look at Fox Nation pretty much says it all about the “fairness and balance” of Fox News. It always makes sure to be fair to conservatives while “balancing” that with lots of criticism of anything liberal.

It’s not about the health care bill. It’s more than that.

Let’s see. Minorities will be the majority by 2050.

The Republicans will never get their vote.

The Supreme Court says private companies are free to buy votes.

Wife of Justice Thomas starts group for 'citizen activists TEA Party.

The TEA Party is the Neo Nazi and KKK in disguise.

The John Burch Society at CPAC and joining with the TEA Party.

The Chamber of Commerce is donating 40 or 50 million dollars to kill the Health Care bill and promote big business.

Dick Armey gave a speech at The National Press Club and had this to say about Tom Tancredo -- Armey Accuses ‘Destructive’ Tancredo Of ‘Alienating’ Hispanics.
I find Armey's statement pretty ironic given the amount of blatant racism we've seen the movement feeding off of to get their base riled up. As the ADL noted, the movement has some bigger problems than just Tancredo. White Supremacists May Attempt To Co-Opt July 4 "Tea Parties" To Promote A Hateful Agenda

New York, NY, July 2, 2009 ... White supremacists and neo-Nazi hate groups plan to take advantage of the anti-tax "Tea Parties" set to occur in more than 1,000 cities and localities over the July 4 holiday weekend to disseminate racist fliers and other materials and attempt to recruit others to their cause, according to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).

According to Tea Party organizers, rallies are currently planned in all 50 states and in 1,328 cities.

An anti-Semite and white supremacist using the name "Whites Forward" created the Tea Party Americans Coalition (TPAC) as "a working group for serious White racialist ACTIVISTS in the US who want to effectively coordinate our efforts and intervene for effect in Tea Party-type events." Anti-Semitic, racist, and anti-immigrant themes run through the six issues on which the working group is based.

http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/White_Supremacists_July_4_Tea_Parties.htm

Oh by the way, we have a black President, a black Attorney General and a Hispanic Supreme Court Justice

FOX New's Ratings are going through the roof.

You do the math.

The Republican Party is more and more the white country club that would rather die than change.

Posted by: sherardg | March 17, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

As a progressive, I certainly wouldn't mind either or both legislative branches under Republican control. At least then conservatives will have an actual stake in running the country -- instead of just running their mouths.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | March 17, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the Democrats in Congress are doing a pretty good job of divided government all on their own.

Someone give votingrevolution her return key back.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 17, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

So American's want to give control of Congress to Republicans the party they like least?

Odd!

I do see though, on the jobs bill, that Republicans are beginning to finally compromise with Democrats.

Posted by: Maddogg | March 17, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Nobody answers a poll question like that in a vacuum. Conservatives say they're in favor of divided government because they don't like President Obama or his policies. A divided government means that Obama has less power, so conservatives prefer it. Were these same conservatives hoping for divided government when Bush was president? Of course not!

So it's no surprise that more people want divided government now than in October 2008, when the Democrats were obviously set for a major victory. Obama and the Democrats are much less popular now than they were 18 months ago, so fewer people want them to have all the power.

Posted by: Blarg | March 17, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

The problem with this post is that it treats theory and reality as the same thing. For instance, I absolutely believe in divided government. The problem is that there aren't likely to be any rational republicans on my ballot this year. If the choice is between voting for single-party government or divided government where the opposition party claims the President is some kind of socialist or manchurian candidate, I'll pick the single-party government.

What I want, and what I think the poll respondents that value divided government want, is a system where the parties balance one another, and find ways to compromise and temper each side's ideological extremes.

As the GOP shrinks its tent, and ostracizes members who seek compromise as RINOs and mark them for purging, I don't see anything worth voting for coming from that party.

For divided government to work, both sides have to be willing to compromise. If one side is saying "my way or the highway," they're not going to earn my vote.


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Posted by: bsimon1 | March 17, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

When the foolish Democrat let one of the crooked and corrupt democrats from NYC -- Rangel, Massa, Paterson, Spitzer -- than you know the democrats are going to rob and steal what they can before the American people fire them.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | March 17, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight .Saying NO to something bad isn't good ?hmmm . And everyone that disagrees with Obama, should just "get out of the way" and say YES to big government,YES to trillion dollar deficits,YES to pork infested budgets.YES to omni bus YES to communist green czar van Jones and Anita Dunn in the administration.YES to tax an trade.YES to lobbyist in the administration.YES to acorn.YES to Nancy pelosi and harry Reid,YES to reading Miranda rights to terrorists on the battle field.YES to going back to a pre 9/11 naive mentality.YES to Eric holder destroying the
CIA and for being more concerned for black panthers and terrorist 'rights' rather then protecting America in a time of war, that is STILL going on!YES to many more unconstitutional radical 'whacked out' czars.YES to socialism.YES to bailouts,YES to 750 billion dollar stimulus, that no one had a chance to read. You lefties' as usual' try so hard to label and ridicule any one who opposes, and says 'NO' to your cradle to the grave liberal philosophies that 's bankrupting almost every state that the democrats run, including our nation now. In your perfect fantasy world where every thing is free and you don't have to pay back borrowed money( only dump it on the next helpless generation) and BIG government is the answer to all our problems, maybe I can see your point.But your world and reality are two totally different things.That's why the nation is saying 'NO" to Obama and his far left policies and the reason he is taking a nose dive in the polls.It's also hip shooting that labels and paints all with the same brush,and everyone who opposes government run health care as liars, mobsters, and Tim McVeigh terrorists. It is turning off all the moderate Dem's,repubs and independents (including obama's policies )Along with the lofty egos that say that BIG government know's whats best for America,more then WE THE PEOPLE.It is the progressive DEMS that are misinformed and are lying to the people (especially to the seniors)and a president that doesn't walk the talk .(google Obama's broken promises)None of you(including Obama) can successfully tell the American people, how we are going to pay for this TRILLION dollar monstrosity. And don't give us this bull that obamacare is going to be deficit neutral and their going to pay for it by cutting waist.Talk about voters remorse.I don't care how many times Obama goes on FOX news,he will NEVER win back moderate Dem's and independents (as myself)ever again.cmon November and 2012!!!!!!

Posted by: votingrevolution | March 17, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I read the article linked to, Cizilla - and nowhere does it use the words "loyal opposition" to characterize the republicans - yet somehow you feel the need to use the term. Looking at Wikipedia discussion of "loyal opposition", I note the conditional "while maintaining loyalty to the source of the government's power.".

Cizilla - do you REALLY consider that the Republicans, by completely denying that elections have consequences, and by giving aid and comfort to those who insist that Obama is a foreigner and ineligble to be President, deserve to be referred to as the "loyal opposition"?

It's this constantly bending over backwards to accomodate the Republicans as you are generally want to do that make you and your column a joke and object of derision by anyone who's paying attention.

Posted by: hohandy1 | March 17, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Rewarded or not, the biggest crime perpetrated here is to label the Rethugs as "loyal". Wasn't there some notion by these thugs in the past to label as treasonous, those who opposed the Iraqi war?

Posted by: ebabin | March 17, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

This only proves that the GOP does not do anything, other than instill fear in the people to get elected, such as "fear of socialism"--taking advantage of the fact that most GOP supporters do not even understand what socialism is.

Posted by: jlm062002 | March 17, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Can we vote for somewhere between zero change and total loss of Dem control? There's a HUGE gap that the Republicans will have to overcome for outright control. They will have to get ten seats (not counting the Mass) for the Senate. The 40 in the House is more doable.

I'm not sure if things are as bad for Dems now as they were in 1994. Back then, Republicans hadn't run Congress for like 50 years, so they really didn't have much of a record. I'm sure at least some people will remember and vote based on the debacle of Republican control from 1995-2007.

Also, Republicans had a more positive message back then. There was the contract with America. Today, it's just about trying to frighten America with talk of death panels and socialism and parliamentary procedure. I thought the conventional wisdom was that you needed to have a positive message to win elections. Is that not the case this year?

Posted by: DDAWD | March 17, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

GOP = Gone Off Planet

BYE BYE repubs.

Posted by: 1-20-09 | March 17, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

The problem with your assertion is that people will answer that way on a generic question but they won't vote against their own beleifs (or benefit) to make it happen.
Additionally, I would bet that if you asked "Do you think now that the Democrats don't have a super-majority in the Senate that we have a divided government?" That 40% or so would say yes. Now that would be wrong but the perception is that the filibuster will keep the other party honest. Also lets not forget that we have a VERY conservative supreme court so technically we do have a divided government.

Posted by: AndyR3 | March 17, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

AMEN!!!

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 17, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Yawn. Is it Groundhog Day? This is like every other column every other day -- Bad News for Democrats, cherry-picked polling to a T.

Most analysis of this poll suggests it gives a lead to Dems -- maybe take a closer look and get back to us.

Posted by: drindl | March 17, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

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