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White House Cheat Sheet: Tea Party, Part Deux



The April 15 Tea parties are coming back, sort of. (AP Photo/Corpus Christi Caller-Times, Todd Yates)

Two prominent GOP governors will host a telephonic anti-tax tea party today, an effort organized by the Republican Governors Association to capitalize politically on the outrage expressed in last month's nationwide protests.

The call, which will be led by Govs. Rick Perry (Texas) and Mark Sanford (S.C.), will feature 30,000 participants in a sort-of virtual town hall, according to RGA spokesman Mike Schrimpf.

"I have never before seen this level of political energy," said Sanford yesterday in an interview with the Fix. The goal of today's town hall, added Sanford, is to figure out "how do you take that energy and continue building it toward a movement that accomplishes change."

The first incarnations of the tea parties -- a coordinated series of protests on April 15 in cities across the country -- drew a huge amount of attention from the media, and provoked strong opinions on both sides of the partisan divide.

Republicans pointed to the events as the first stirrings of activity from their conservative base since then President George W. Bush's reelection race in 2004. Democrats savaged the tea parties as fake grassroots demonstrations organized out of Washington, D.C. and populated by radicals pushing a panoply of odd issues.

Perry, whose comments hinting at secession that day dominated the coverage of the protests, insisted in a conversation with the Fix that the caricature of the events was a far cry from what he saw.

"These aren't crazy people," said Perry. "These are sane, thoughtful folks [who] are seeing something that never happened in their lifetimes." Perry added that the tea parties are a sign of "a legitimate tempest that is brewing across this country."

While some noted that the lack of establishment Republicans who attended these tea parties, the RGA's attempt to bottle the energy surrounding the tea parties for political gain suggests that the party establishment was paying attention.

"Our efforts is by no means to take over the tea parties, it's out of respect for them," said RGA communications director Mike Schrimpf.

Schrimpf added that part of the reason the RGA organized the call was to make sure disgruntled voters know that their best chance to express their disapproval with growth in government spending is to vote against Democrats in governors races in New Jersey and Virginia this fall. "If you are looking for a bogeyman of the tax and spend agenda, [New Jersey Gov. Jon] Corzine represents it," said Schrimpf.

It remains to be seen whether the anger expressed at last month's tea parties can be shoe-horned into a political context to benefit the GOP. While some of the attendees of the tea parties were certainly Republicans, there were also a fair number of people who don't view themselves through that sort of political lens.

Sanford, for one, hopes that today's town hall is a step toward understanding what he believes to be a movement and figuring out whether "you can plug a piece of that energy into Republican governorships."

What To Watch For:

Thursday Fix Picks: Eating tic-tacs like candy sort of defeats the purpose.

1. President Obama blocks release of detainee photos.
2. SCOTUS pick coming next week?
3. Inveterate Wilco fan and Timesman Adam Nagourney's terrific look at the Macker's gubernatorial campaign.
4. A detailed look at what a Kirsten Gillibrand-Steve Israel primary might look like.
5. George LeMieux, Charlie Crist's longtime political consigliere, may run for attorney general in Florida.

SCOTUS List Still Not Final: Despite reports that President Obama will announce his Supreme Court pick next week, a senior administration official suggested that the list of finalists is not yet final. James Comey, who served as a deputy Attorney General in the Bush Administration and was a high profile objector to the president's domestic wiretapping program, is being considered but is not yet on the short list, said the source. "The list is still being finalized and there are names under consideration that no one has uttered publicly," the source added.

Sink for Florida: Florida Chief Financial Officer Alex Sink (D) didn't wait long to announce she is running for governor of Florida -- making her intentions clear less than 24 hours after Gov. Charlie Crist (R) went public with his plans to run for Senate. In her announcement, Sink pledged to "put my business experience and know-how to work restoring our economy." Sink is widely seen as the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination and the early favorite to be the Sunshine State's next governor. Republicans seem headed toward a primary with state Attorney General Bill McCollum and state Agriculture Commissioner Charles Bronson expected to run. A poll conducted last month for the Sayfie Review showed a dead heat between Sink and McCollum. Worth noting: Democrats haven't held the governor's office in Florida since "Walkin'" Lawton Chiles left office in 1998.

Ax on "Wait, Wait": White House senior adviser David Axelrod will make a guest appearance on "Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me," National Public Radio's terrific game show when it comes to Washington today for a special taping. Axelrod is set to participate in a segment called "Not My Job" where he will answer a series of trivia questions in a job entirely unrelated to his. (Then Sen. Barack Obama played the game in 2005 and aced all three questions on Wade Boggs.) "Many people compare Mr. Axelrod to Mr. Rove but we think Rove was smarter as evidenced by the fact that Rove never agreed to come on our show," said "Wait, Wait" host Peter Sagal. Love it! And, is the Fix's invitation to come on "Wait, Wait" in the mail?

Mottola Sticks With Specter: Chris Mottola, a Republican media consultant, has decided to stick with Sen. Arlen Specter despite the fact that the Pennsylvania senator will be running for reelection as a Democrat in 2010. Mottola said he first worked on a Specter campaign in 1978 and has called him a friend for two decades. "To me, personal loyalty is an uncomplicated concept," said Mottola in an email exchange with the Fix. "From what I understand, everyone has stayed with Arlen aside from those whose livelihoods essentially require them to work for a Republican." Specter's pollster, Glen Bolger, stepped aside shortly after the party switch; Specter has yet to hire a Democratic replacement. Mottola was part of the media team for President George W. Bush's reelection race as well as the general election race of Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) in 2008. He worked for former New York City Mayor Rudy Guiliani during the 2008 Republican presidential primary.

Paterson's Poll Numbers Plummet (Again): It's another day but the same story line: New polling shows New York Gov. David Paterson (D) is in deep trouble in his reelection bid in 2010. In the latest Quinnipiac University poll, more than six in ten registered voters expressed disapproval with the job Paterson is doing while just 28 percent approved of the job he was doing. Paterson continued to trail state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo badly in a hypothetical Democratic primary race; Cuomo held a 62 percent to 17 percent lead in the Q poll although he has yet to make clear whether he will run. In general election match-ups, former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani, who is expected to make a decision on the race this fall, held a 54 percent to 32 percent lead over Paterson while Cuomo led Giuliani 47 percent to 41 percent.

Wyeth To Treasury: Natalie Wyeth is leaving her gig doing press for Organizing for America -- the guardian of President Obama's campaign email list -- to take a job as the spokesperson for international affairs at the Treasury department. (Ben Smith first reported on Wyeth's move.) Wyeth cited the chance to work with Jenni Engebretsen, director of the office of public affairs at Treasury, as the main thing that drove her decision. "Jenni has been an important mentor of mine and I jumped at the chance to work with her again," Wyeth told the Fix via email. Prior to joining OFA, Wyeth served as a spokeswoman for the Democratic National Convention in Denver. Her departure opens up an attractive press job -- the chance to work closely with Obama campaign manager David Plouffe and begin to lay the groundwork for the 2012 reelection race.

Click It!: It appears that some within the Kentucky Republican Party aren't too happy with Secretary of State Trey Grayson's decision to challenge Sen. Jim Bunning in a primary next year -- and, like all disgruntled people, have started a blog about it. "Turncoat Trey" is aimed at calling out Grayson on a wide variety of issues from his past Democratic ties to his mulling off a race against Gov. Ernie Fletcher (R) in 2007. We sicced the Post web gurus on the site but they weren't able to tell us much other than it went live on May 11 and whoever set it up has done this sort of thing before -- carefully covering his (or her) tracks to keep from detection.

Best iPhone Apps: iTrans DC Metro, The Price is Right (!) and eBay.

Say What?: "Just put it on vibrate, man, we did this before." -- White House press secretary Robert Gibbs issues a cell phone warning moments before confiscating a reporter's device.

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jaked and dottydo: two blind boxers.

Posted by: nodebris | May 18, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

dottydo:

You may want to reconsider your proposed plank change.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/118399/More-Americans-Pro-Life-Than-Pro-Choice-First-Time.aspx

Posted by: JakeD | May 15, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Sponsored and promoted by Fox news and a guy who owes $150k in back taxes. I saw probably 100 photos and about 20 videos from these Tea parties and saw ONE person of color (in the above image) I did see a lot of hate Obama signs, from people who were supposed to represent the American populace so if that is true then 95% of those people who attended these parties had just received the biggest middle-class tax cut in over 40 years. Not a sign about Paulson or Bush, just basically "I hate Obama" from a bunch of white people.

So, please don't try to tell me this was "spontaneous" or even well thought out because these people were the biggest koolaid drinkers of there time.

Posted by: JRM2

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nope , It was grassroots on the Internet and no media covered the first ones.

There also was bottled water at the stadium, but they charged a mint for it.

You guess a lot.

Posted by: dottydo | May 15, 2009 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Chris:

Did you get a call?

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

"JRM2:

Any extra "work" on your part is completely your own fault. I could quote your post where you refused to answer my hypothetical question, if you really do remember."
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That's right, I don't answer hypothetical questions because they are a waste of time, is that all you have to offer are hypothetical questions?
I guess you are not very passionate about your party, nor accurate.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

For everyone, there's still time, if you want to sign up for the Perry/Sanford call:

http://www.thegopcomeback.com/freedom

Call starts at 8:30 p.m. EDT.

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Correction "Their" time

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

"I can tell you it is refreshing and new to be in a spontaneous rally like TEA PArty.
There was an honest connection and everyone had a homemade sign....not the placards stuff."
dottydo
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Sponsored and promoted by Fox news and a guy who owes $150k in back taxes. I saw probably 100 photos and about 20 videos from these Tea parties and saw ONE person of color (in the above image) I did see a lot of hate Obama signs, from people who were supposed to represent the American populace so if that is true then 95% of those people who attended these parties had just received the biggest middle-class tax cut in over 40 years. Not a sign about Paulson or Bush, just basically "I hate Obama" from a bunch of white people.

So, please don't try to tell me this was "spontaneous" or even well thought out because these people were the biggest koolaid drinkers of there time.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

do = don't

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

JRM2:

Any extra "work" on your part is completely your own fault. I could quote your post where you refused to answer my hypothetical question, if you really do remember.

dottydo:

I hope you realize that "mak[ing] the Pendulum stop" at "[t]he government doesn't belong in your house, your bedroom or controling your body" is no better than the Democrats IMHO and will lose you ever pro-lifer already registered with the American Independent Party because of that.

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

And BTW JakeD, feel free to ask me a reasonable question. Not one made up in fantasy land.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, I notice you give dottydo a hard time about wanting to change the AIP plank on abortion rights yet you've given two contrasting accounts of their credo on the value of human life.

So, are you trying to change their values to suit your political beliefs, or did you just misquote the first time?

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

"The people were not allowed to bring water in. The final ambient temperatures hit their highs around 4:00. They read 125 and up depending on where you sat.

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 6:48 PM "
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Plenty of water was made freely available within the stadium, you can lead a horse to a stream, but you can't make them drink.

I noticed you conveniently left out the part about water being available for free within the stadium.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

"Sorry, JRM2, but I only answer questions when you've returned the same courtesy. Only now, at the end, do you understand…

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 6:38 PM"
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Actually JakeD, as usual you are full of it, you saw that you stepped into yet another bear-trap so you cop out as usual.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

"Sorry, JRM2, but I only answer questions when you've returned the same courtesy. Only now, at the end, do you understand…

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 6:38 PM"
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Well, I guess I'll have to examine the AIP on my own then to see if it is something i would like to be a part of.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I hope you don't act the same way toward everyone who asks you about YOUR Independent Party platform ...

Posted by: JakeD
>>>>>>>>>>>
I certainly don't shove them to call a Democrat trying to take advantage of a pendulum swing.
The ideal of the TEA PARTY is to make the Pendulum stop.
Independent party overtaking a huge slice out of Democrat and Republican eletoral college vote to become the new and strong party is a more realistic plan than pruttering about in another loser's business.

Both partys suck in the 2 party system,because they can.
When they can't anymore, they won't.

Pitting one against the other, only means more and bigger corruption...been there done that.

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

So, that's exactly why you weren't answering the questions, dottydo -- gosh, that was like pulling teeth though -- thank you very much (finally).

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

The government doesn't belong in your house, your bedroom or controling your body.

The very real truth of the matter is that if government is actually entitled to tell a Doctor and patient how to act, then it will soon be a woman's World, where legislation might pass to decide the surgical fix required on male anatomy .

Such legislation forwarded by a female controlled Congress to "fix" it to a more acceptable profile, would be similar to decsions about women today.

The legislative language would be a "State's right" in the beginning I am certain, so depending on your own fear level of the local government, you pick carefully where to live as a male.

Once the reality of a turned table puts government that women have had to live in backwards on the male ...it is less appealing isn't it?


I remember watching Bela Abzug roll her wheel chair up to a podium in Las Vegas 1996 and say " I don't know what they are so afraid of, we haven't got enough power to learn how to corrupt it yet."

Since then, the legislation I described above was actually discussed...so be afraid ...be very afraid...paybacks are a beeotch.

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I hope you don't act the same way toward everyone who asks you about YOUR Independent Party platform ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

dottydo:

You have spent most of the day arguing about NOT LEANING toward either major party, and it is clear that you INTEND TO CHANGE the "American Independent Party" platform, so I think it's a reasonable question to ask. Currently, the platform is as anti-abortion rights as we can get. Do you want to KEEP that plank or not?

Why won't you answer a simple question like that? If you continue to avoid it, I will have to assume you intend to change it.

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

"...Well, whatever else you can say about AIP, you have to admit that it DEPENDS on misinformed voters and a certain amount of self-delusion for its very survival. Why isn't that in the platform, jaked?"

Posted by: nodebris
>>>>>>>>>>

The last election was not this upcoming election filled with really determined voters to remove The Hill, to get to the Oval Offices and place Biden before 4 years of Obama passes.

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

So, dottydo, is YOUR "Independent Party" for or against abortion rights?

Posted by: JakeD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I am sorry you are unable to grasp that answer from the party's platform.
If I were a doctor I would tell you to take two asprin and call me to see if you comprehend better in the morning....but I am not a doctor.

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

dottydo:

Is YOUR "Independent Party" for or against abortion rights?

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

JRM2,
I have atended more Dem rallys than you probably are in age.
Have you ever heard the word "subliminals"?

They are not illegal in the music, or in the downloads from the Party, apparently.
I have a good friend that worked on only a segement of subliminals used by the Democrats. Running a candidate in to wave and get a photo op at a pumped up rock festival started back in the 1960's

Once you know that they are there, you begin to stop listening to the talk,videos, and music, but start listening and seeing the koolaide.

The nice thing about money is it buys , pays for, and sells, any kind of power you want.

We live in an impure time, and if you are not aware of what is real and what you see for a split second in a propaganda video, you are just out of touch.

I can tell you it is refreshing and new to be in a spontaneous rally like TEA PArty.
There was an honest connection and everyone had a homemade sign....not the placards stuff.

Youv'e been to the best money can buy, (and look at the trouble we got from that), so why not find a homespun Independent Party meeting and attend to see how the other fish hunt.
You will probably wind up a candidate. They have bare bones and a lot more integrity in trying to find the right people to represent them.

People with big money war chests need not apply...is really like a breath of fresh air after the Democrat scams.

People who work for these candidates know more about the primary front runners than you can fathom, and "for the party" the dirt is hidden under the rug.


How is that a great Amwerican legacy anymore?

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

So, dottydo, is YOUR "Independent Party" for or against abortion rights?

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

"Obama (the liar) denied all the ASU attendees water in 100 temps"
dottydo
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Water stations were all inside the perimeter of the stadium, the ones that passed out were probably drunk.

Posted by: JRM2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

If you know anything about me, you know I do my homework before I say a word.

The final tally was over 100 people seriously stricken with heat stroke and several thousand with marked symptoms.

The people were not allowed to bring water in. The final ambient temperatures hit their highs around 4:00. They read 125 and up depending on where you sat.
This is a report early in the day.


http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/video/graducation_security_05_13_2009

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, JRM2, but I only answer questions when you've returned the same courtesy. Only now, at the end, do you understand…

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

"The Protection of INNOCENT AMERICAN Life, and the Duties and Rights of Families

Posted by: JakeD "
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So are you correcting yourself, or the AIP credo?

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

The Protection of INNOCENT AMERICAN Life, and the Duties and Rights of Families

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

""The Protection of Life, and the Duties and Rights of Families

We believe in protecting all human life however weak, defenseless, or disheartened; we endorse the family as the essential bulwark of liberty, compassion, responsibility, and industry; and declare the family's right and responsibility to nurture, discipline, and educate its children. We maintain that all humans are persons from the beginning of their biological development and especially deserve our love and nurture when they are weakest and most dependent."

Posted by: JakeD |"
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So THAT's why we invaded Iraq!

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

"Obama (the liar) denied all the ASU attendees water in 100 temps"
dottydo
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Water stations were all inside the perimeter of the stadium, the ones that passed out were probably drunk.

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

""I have never before seen this level of political energy," said Sanford yesterday in an interview with the Fix."
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Obviously he never attended an Obama, Hillary, or McCain/Palin rally

Posted by: JRM2 | May 14, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Did I scare "dottydo" away?

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

dottydo:

Is YOUR "Independent Party" for or against abortion rights? It's a simple question.

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The Brother Gibbs is not allowing tea party calls during the daily presser.. or he'll take away your device..

Posted by: newbeeboy
>>>>>>>>>>


Good one.

Maybe when he is a litle more OAK than acorn he will be at a TEA PARTY in a voter registration office turning Independent or at least carrying a sign about Obama flip flops.

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I urge all of you to join AIP!

You deserve each other.

Posted by: drindl

Ha ha
Kiddo,
Even you will go down and change the voter registration to Independent Party for a month to dive the electoral college fears, just to see Pelosi get even more buggy eyed. For just that second, caught on tv, it is worth it.

Most Democrats (with their brains intact) want to see Obama's cabinet disappear,and are launched into a better plan... Biden, (whose cabinet might not suck so much).
He at least has enough honesty to call the disease spread a problem.

Obama (the liar) denied all the ASU attendees water in 100 temps and 127 ambient temps in the arena, because he was afraid of swine flu. Water trucks had to pass security clearance as 100 fell to complete Heat stroke sickness, and several thousand showed early symptoms.
How many are walking away from the Dem party out of the 72,000 ASU attendees who lived that Katrina moment?


Congress will not act to remove Obama and cabinet from hel-l, until they see their base leave.

The Independent Party numbers in California are moving up.
It is a prevailing fact, everywhere the Tea Party meets (without some grandstanding idiot Republican ) bidding for power.

Clearly if even the Republicans can gather TEA PARTY ,there is such a beast to contend with called TEA Party Revolt.

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

The Brother Gibbs is not allowing tea party calls during the daily presser.. or he'll take away your device..

Posted by: newbeeboy | May 14, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1

bsimon2 bsimon deux

Posted by: newbeeboy | May 14, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

nodebris,
Actually, after
#1 Pelosi Porkulous and her stimulating bridge to nowhere,

#2 Gavin (sfo mayor)the Wild willy new hopeful,

#3 the love fest of the Governator and the Dem whacko law makers...only topped by the
ARN-OLD stern warning of life in socialism, to the flip flop of his possible life being on the power side of socialism imposing the misery (shortly after Obama and filled him with koolaide)

#4 Nutty JAno , the bad impression of Jay Leno, Napolitano, (who has kept California exploding with illegal activity that marched through her State), calling everyone in the military or upset she wanted to dump chemical defoliant all over the borders instead of a simple clean fence..... enemies.

was enough to drive a lot of California to find a new party.

The number moving to Independent Party there, skyrocketed after her swine flu ideas, , and the reality of illegals in Norcal hit.
Norcal is angry Pelosi is not recalled, so party switch is on.


Democrats are leaving their party,as fast as Republicans are.

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I urge all of you to join AIP!

You deserve each other.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

dottydo:

Is YOUR "Independent Party" for or against abortion rights?

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

dottydo:

As soon as you have the majority vote in the AIP, you can do whatever you like. Until then, I couldn't care less about being shunned.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Be a Republican but boy all you like then.
The numbers can absorb all views.

I liked the TEA PARTY REVOLT sign that said ...

Just because "Bush" got us there, and Obama bows down, doesn't mean we have to bend over.

Independent Party's ping against the electoral college, will actually surge over the two other interests and be power of the people.

Look at the numbers who walked out on Obama denying the look see at the torture files. The people own those files, not him. They probably vindicate Cheney, and implicate Pelosi.

Holder should cuff him up for obstruction.

Regardless both Party affiliations are headed to Independent Party that are unwilling to sway to either side anymore on a sick pendulum ride.

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh, no. It seems as if "drindl" has recovered from her self-imposed exile : (

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I strongly urge California Republicans to join AIP, too.

But maybe before you recruit new members, you ought to do some member outreach so that your current members actually understand that they are a members? I mean, 340,000 registered, and only 40,000 vote for your candidate?

But wait: to remain an official party in California, you need at least 88,991 registered voters. And only 40,000 voted for your candidate, Keyes. So if you make sure all of your current members are aware that they are "registered Independent," it sounds like you run a great risk of LOSING your standing as an official political party. Quite a quandary!

Well, whatever else you can say about AIP, you have to admit that it DEPENDS on misinformed voters and a certain amount of self-delusion for its very survival. Why isn't that in the platform, jaked?

Posted by: nodebris | May 14, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"People who try to impose their power and control (aka demanding people's property as Gibb did and tossing it out the door), over others with threats are the traitors to the freedoms of this Country."

THAT'S the example you're going with???

Posted by: DDAWD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
HA HA
I laughed at myself after I posted it, but yup, I'll stick to the excessive force of a taxpayer paid dupe....Gibb. His poor impulse control really spoke to his anger and frustration of being in a wallnuts position.

I feel sorry for the poor devil. He is a wallnut every other minute.

Acorn = sent out to forward the agenda dujour

Wallnut= acorn that gets caught in yesterdays message, as a load of crap slung at the wall by Obama himself the next.

OAKS = X acorns who grew out of the petty party plays
aka
Organizers Against Kooks and Scumbots.

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"Perry and Sanford are Republicans, the party that refused to listen in their last 4 years, or to vet properly Barry Soreto."

Gotta love these loons. Gonna keep Democrats in power forEVA!

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

dottydo:

As soon as you have the majority vote in the AIP, you can do whatever you like. Until then, I couldn't care less about being shunned.

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

hahahahaha a conversation between two drool cases who believe in spirits

Posted by: chrisfox8
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Admit it...you would like to be involved in a new way of politics too.

Have a TEA PARTY and go down to sign up as an Independent Party memeber, it is actually fun.

You still can go back to where you were, but to make both party lines shake and doodle in their pants is worth it.
When they both see their electoral college numbers shrink into the dwindling light of the sunset at the same time....you watch Congress(both parties) offer to work for a dollar a year and try to listen to the people...better.

Get into some power and see if it works...what the devil else do you have left to lose?

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"People who try to impose their power and control (aka demanding people's property as Gibb did and tossing it out the door), over others with threats are the traitors to the freedoms of this Country."

THAT'S the example you're going with???

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

hahahahaha a conversation between two drool cases who believe in spirits

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 14, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Again, if you want to sign up for the Perry/Sanford call: (snip)
Posted by: JakeD

Perry and Sanford are Republicans, the party that refused to listen in their last 4 years, or to vet properly Barry Soreto.

They are hardly TEA PARTY REVOLT since Republican President Bush called for the bailout that the Democrat Congress refused to disagree with. (nor did they get us out of the wars as they promised to do)

You cannot be an Independent Party memeber and push to any side these days.

Could be, you will get shunned by all the newbies.

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Here in California, everyone welcome to join the only such "Independent" party qualified for the ballot:

http://www.aipca.org/

Some more of our party platform:

"We Acknowledge the Creator’s Gracious Gifts

The American Independent Party gratefully acknowledges God as the Creator of all and appeals to Him for help in protecting all He has graciously given us. With all these gifts comes the right to use them justly. Hence all such rights are the gifts of God as affirmed in our Declaration of Independence. These include the right to life and liberty.

Declaration of Independence Rights are God-Given

All rights are unalienable in that none have a right to take them unjustly. Liberty includes the pursuit of happiness, which is the possession and exercise of virtue. Liberty includes the right to use and claim as an individual possession any unclaimed thing received from the hand of God, in or upon or above the Earth. This right to any possession includes its entire use, that is, its exchange, control, protection, and entire disposition. And the first and greatest of these possessions is our life."

...

"The Protection of Life, and the Duties and Rights of Families

We believe in protecting all human life however weak, defenseless, or disheartened; we endorse the family as the essential bulwark of liberty, compassion, responsibility, and industry; and declare the family's right and responsibility to nurture, discipline, and educate its children. We maintain that all humans are persons from the beginning of their biological development and especially deserve our love and nurture when they are weakest and most dependent."

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

the United States of America -- and you wish to overthrow the government, which makes you a traitor. Also a lunatic.

Posted by: drindl
>>>>>>>>>>>>

You look like you are as mad as a hatter drindl.
People who are registering to vote in a legal party on the ballot, that is just not your preference ,are not traitors to the Country. People believe that, are...well....quite insane.

People who try to impose their power and control (aka demanding people's property as Gibb did and tossing it out the door), over others with threats are the traitors to the freedoms of this Country.

If the TEA PARTY REVOLT and the movement to the Independent Party were meaningless, why are you upset?

Why even comment?

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

nodebris,
I agree it was a dismantled dredge party of the yore...before.

Independent party was a swing toolof the frustrated ... before Obamaland and Pelosi Porkulous hit the unborn grandchildren's right to have a voter's say in their wallets.

Today the great new hope of the Indpendent Party is to ballot into Governor, House, Senate, and Congressional, seats people who have no lean ...but all the power.

Those hanging on by their short and curlys begging for a bone, will soon be a scant Republican or Democrat with no numbers, who wince when aproached by the other side of the pendulum lost or the "new Mac Daddy power of the people " in the place.


What do we want?

Removal of pay for outgoing Congress and a freeze and sieze of all their irrevocable trust asset if it was from a dirty deal ripping off the taxpayers by payoffs, with no more free taxpayer paid Health care.

Let these prima donna's be one of the average people for a change, instead of an eschelon of money to pour into some new tool's (like Obama)war chest to pass some power torch to.

The Independent Party elected are to hack at the paychecks these freako raised themselves up to, and bring the pay within reason.
They will also vote in term limits on the Hill.

If they don't, they simply will be quickly recalled.

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Again, if you want to sign up for the Perry/Sanford call:

http://www.thegopcomeback.com/freedom

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I bet all these tea baggers are as batsh*t crazy as dottydo.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"What Country are you from?"

the United States of America -- and you wish to overthrow the government, which makes you a traitor. Also a lunatic.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"lives for the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America), "

DO YOU NEED FURTHER PROOF THAT THEY ARE NUTS?!

Posted by: drindl

>>>>>>
Get it right and read the US Constitution... and Bill of Rights...the unhacked to pieces old version, drindl.

Now, go read the oath taken by an new military soldier, it states they will
support and defend the US Constitution....


Obama aka barry Soreto wantsit to read :
Support and defend the President.
You know drinl, like in Kenya or some other outwater place.

What Country are you from?

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Just to support my contention that most AIP registered voters don't even know they are registered with the AIP, here are the 2008 California general election stats:

AIP Registration: 370,405 (2.14% of registered voters).
Votes for AIP candidate Alan Keyes: 40,673 (0.3% of votes cast)

So less than 11% of AIP-registered voters voted for the AIP candidate. That's *eleven* percent. I'd say it's fair to speculate that most AIP members aren't aware that they are "registered Independent," in jaked's cute little formulation.

Let's compare that to the Democratic Party in CA:

Dem registration: 7,683,495 (44.4% of registered voters)
Votes for Barack Obama: 8,274,473 (61.1% of votes cast)

The vote for Obama was 107% of registered Democrats.

Yeah, I belong to no organized party, as Will Rogers said. So, how do you think Will would characterize AIP, jaked? Or would he even bother?

Posted by: nodebris | May 14, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Bozly54,
pppppsssttt!

I don't want to hurt your feelings....but Orange County California isn't the center of the universe.

I already mentioned that the sign up movement to Independent party began with upset Democrats, I know, I was one. Was I for anyone like Lieberman? No.


I didn't decide it was the best thing to do, until after I attended a TEA PARTY REVOLT, which detracts greatly from this Republican lie that they began the movement.

It was pretty much decided in the small group of 60 people that stood around holding up a home made signs that I stopped to get a bottle of water near.

No one in that group was an Independent Party member, and we were relective of both Democrats and Republicans that simply agreed.... we had been had by both Parties.

The talk all over the 10,000 attendees was what should we , or could we do about it, if the current and last Governement powers wouldn't even read our mail, or listen anymore.

Much talk was that we try to get a new Party on the ballot, when some poor schmo blurted out ...why not sign into a dead as a doornail one, already on the ballots and meet in the middle there.

Another guy with his fancy blackberry looked up the bylaw beliefs of the Green and Libertarian party's as well as the one we all chose.

That is when and why Independent Party was decided upon, and the news rumbled through the 10,000 other "lost souls".

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Back to one of the other topics:

http://www.cnn.com Quick Vote

Do you think the government should release all photos of alleged abuse of detainees?

Yes 19% (42,446 who do not care if additional U.S. troops are killed because of it)

No 81% 179,326 (the rest of us)

Total Votes: 221,772

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I rest my case. LOL.

Posted by: drindl
>>>>>>>>>>

Why bother saying anything?
Simply go look at the numbers turning sharply away from the Democrat and Republican scams.

Independent Party surge by TEA PARTY REVOLT is not being driven by Republicans or Democrats. It is a stand alone positionaway from the two party pendulum.

The registration drive is trying to place a face of Republican on it, by picking up some remote piece of the TEA PARTY REVOLT gauntlet and running around with it.

What good would that do?

Voeter Registration offices TEA PARTYS are where the real unpropped, and unfiltered truth is.
TEA PARTY REVOLT means you are led by your own will to walk away from these scumbags on both sides Democrat and Republican, and show them that the people's voice will be the rule at the end of the day.

I haven't met anyone but Jake D trying to lean towards a side, by endorsing one of the has beens of yesterdays elections.
Independent Party stands between the two and will not lean because it is the same mindset meeting in the middle.

Obamaland sucks, along with Obamanomics and Obamabank....but the Republicans didn't stop the Barry Soreto hide in the Courts or the flood of the borders either.

Neither party can be entrusted with further power ....period.

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Bozly54:

Have you ever heard of "paragraph breaks" or even punctuation like "comma" or "period"?

dottydo:

Thanks for the answer.

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
I don't care what unsuccessful Party you packed with in History.
Independent Party was inert and going no-where for a reason. Today it has a powerful membership of newbies that are former Democrats and Republicans who will not splinter it for either sides use or to be their tool.

Independent Party was chosen for one small reason.
It already has a position on many many ballots in the USA, and it's bylaws now speak to the will of tax burdened public unwilling to see their unborn grandchildren be taxed by the likes of Kommander Kenya, without any say or Representation over it.

Little concern is given to either the Democrats or Republicans because it keeps their corrupt pendulum swinging.

Independent Party reshaping into power today, has it's own supple agenda to find and elect Independent candidates.
It will not swing left or right because the new voter there is fed up with both.

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I rest my case. LOL.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"I keep hearing the candidates they want to vote for, are young men and women who are natural born citizens without dual citizenship passports, who have served in the U. S. military (that once swore and oath of allegiance to give their blood and lives for the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America), who also run successful businesses with growing books to show in history, and are letting sleep today, just to keep money from funding Obamaland.

All others need not apply."

"lives for the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America), "

DO YOU NEED FURTHER PROOF THAT THEY ARE NUTS?!

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

"These aren't crazy people," said Perry. "

And you know why he's saying that? Because he knows that, in fact, they are.

This little tax revolt, these deadbeats, these are the children of Rush and Hannity and Coulter, a mindless monster created by the radical rightwingers, which is going to force the republican party further right, marginalize and finally devour it.

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Note to nodebris , CORRECT assessment of the INDEPENDENT PARTY...and a true gaffaw to their claim of increased ranks/numbers...Speaking from experience of being a Cali-Orange County resident(home of the Birchers,argh--did not know that when first arrived, honest !! Re-registered INDEPENDENT , presumed it meant was NOT AFFILIATED with ANY...then re-registered and went Dem for the GOP was just as outrageous thanks to Bush and his cohorts !!!)
Now , as for the Indys CLAIMING the TeaParty "idea" as THEIRS, THEY need to get a grip, reality check for has been used far back i the Bushler era, and frankly before that ...during the Bush era, was by those ON THE LEFT who mailed off tea bags to DC ...and as for that FOx sponsored event, what a farce, what a conglomeration of oflks who were gathered SUPPOSEDLY protesting TAXES but really with an agenda that was a vent for some of their more bizrre innate HATE and it showed !!! THe GOP is foolish to even WANT that association...they will lose even MORE , but they are so fractured and discombobulated and so adrift that they are but so prone to just making further abberational choices as they attempt to regain some revelency but still cling to OLD notions ...they need a reality check, DESPARATELY for they will not regain lost members/supporters with their current approach and absurd nonsense of just being helle bent on being nothing but obstructionista's with NO NEW IDEAS or even viable suggestions on how to REALLY work for the REAL greater common good of the citizenry !!

Posted by: Bozly54 | May 14, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

JakeD wrote:

I completely agree (except, if the GOP truly repents of their tax and spend ways, that would work for me too ; )

>>>>>>>>>>>

The Democrats had truely repented before the Republicans last truely repented, because the Democrats had just gained power by truely repenting....remember?


TEA PARTY REVOLT, as far as I can see, wants nothing to do with rats jumping off the sinking ship of either loanshark funded bank war chest Party, be it Democrat or Republican.

FED UP Americans are a hard group to convince, so Independent Party winners will probably have no "family" or "connections".

I keep hearing the candidates they want to vote for, are young men and women who are natural born citizens without dual citizenship passports, who have served in the U. S. military (that once swore and oath of allegiance to give their blood and lives for the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America), who also run successful businesses with growing books to show in history, and are letting sleep today, just to keep money from funding Obamaland.

All others need not apply.

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Well, looks like the loons are going to wreck the republican party after all... go for it!

Posted by: drindl | May 14, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"Is there a way to "verify" Obama's 13 million e-mail list?"


At least you're consistent; I don't recall a point that you haven't missed.

The Tea call organizers are going to issue a press release saying something like "Enormous support for our reactionary ideas! Tens of thousands of callers! Phone lines jammed due to overwhelming participation that exceeded our ability to handle the call volume!" And claim success and a groundswell of support. The Obama 'list' on the other hand, is used to broadcast a message & motivate the email recipients to do something - perhaps call their legislators. The people bringing attention to the size of the list are journalists like The Fix who are speculating when the power of the alleged list will be put to use. The number is not promoted by the Obama admin as a validation of their efforts. Do you understand the difference?

Posted by: bsimon1 | May 14, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Here's my problem: some (and I'm not including you in this group yet) would love to see the GOP split into factions so that the Democrats win the election regardless of how well the third-parties perform. Remember Ross Perot?

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

dottydo:

I've been a registered Independent since 1968, so please don't lecture me. Wht didn't you answer my question? Is Gov. Palin "acceptable" to you if she changes her party registration?

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

JakeD ,
Governors Mark Sanford of South Carolina and Rick Perry of Texas are Republican opportunists, that have only hope of a two party Pendulum swing.

The TEA PARTY wants candidates who are not empowered with any "connected" war chest money.

Independent Party is the TEA PARTY REVOLTS demand that "both Democrats and Republicans sit their noisy azzes down , shut up, and listen to the will of the people" for a change.

The first strike of TEA PARTY REVOLT is the boycott of both Democrat and Republican electoral college power...hence the voter registration change to Independent Party.
The Hill knows their political lives are over, because they don't act right towards the Country, when their bases fall away.

The sneaky endeavors of the two Republicans you mentioned, only makes them appear untrustworthy.

The second strike of the TEA PARTY REVOLT is to deny tax base for the porkulous.
Business is taking a Vacation from function to profit in the USA.
The sabbatical from the markets is to clearly show the "big Government" regime they are powerless and broke. Money is in the matresses.

It demands the position of power in the USA return to "the people".

No doubt the movement is in it's birthing stages, but as more people see what we have been sold out for, by loansharking banks and bad power from Republicans and Democrats, the more Independent voters are living TEA PARTY REVOLT.

It is not making props and showing off in some Photo op, it is finding 10 freinds or more, and going down to the voter registration office together, to move the ticker in large jumps to the Independent Party.
Electoral college losses is TEA PARTY REVOLT sticking it to the two pedulum powers and their moneybags.

Where have you been... asleep?

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

What happened to the Nancy Pelosi article that was taken down?

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1:

Is there a way to "verify" Obama's 13 million e-mail list?

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

dottydo:

I completely agree (except, if the GOP truly repents of their tax and spend ways, that would work for me too ; )

What do you think about Sarah Palin changing her registration and running for President in 2012 as an INDEPENDENT?

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"Of course there's a way to count the telephone participants (and get their phone numbers). It's called the BILL."


My point being that there's no way for an independent source to confirm the accuracy of the numbers provided by the call organizers. Surely you recall the 'million man march' which attracted something less than a million participants.

Posted by: bsimon1 | May 14, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Taxed Enough Already TEA Party was definitely not a Republican idea.

It was a spontaneous reaction of Americans enmasse, who felt taxed enough already as Bush called for bailouts.

The Republicans running to catch up, who are hoping to launch themselves out in front to try to appear as leaders of the movement, fail to understand that most TEA PARTY REVOLT people are changing their voter registrations to Independent party.

The voter movement is meant to stop the pendulum swing between two corrupt partys, who do not listen to the people. It is a response from angry voters that their bails of snail mail was not read, discussed, or even considered by Congress.

Registering Independent Party puts in check the electoral college, and strongly shows that the people have the power...not the Government.

Posted by: dottydo | May 14, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"The Constitution: the Original Contract that America has with Itself

The American Independent Party is the party of ordered liberty in a nation under God. We believe in strict adherence to written law. We believe the Constitution is the contract America has with itself. Its willful distortion has led to the violation of our Tenth Amendment guaranteed right to limited government—which inevitably requires oppressive taxation. Its faithful application will lift that awful burden.

Freedom from "Liberalism"

Freed from the lawless oppression of Liberal rule, we may then compassionately and justly use our energy and ingenuity to provide for ourselves and our families. We will then establish truly free and responsible enterprise and reassert the basic human right to property."

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

For those of you in California, it's true that we have a lot of old John Birchers (John Birch was a United States military intelligence officer and Baptist missionary in World War II, who was killed in 1945 by supporters of the Communist Party of China) so there was, indeed, some disagreement over the nomination of Keyes, but we are "organized" enough to put together a party platform:

http://www.aipca.org/

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Will Rogers: "I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat."

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

GrannyAnnie:

Were you a Loyalist in the American Revolution (or previous life)?

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I would be surprised if Mr. Cillizza hasn't already signed up for the call too.

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"At TEA Parties across the country, hundreds of thousands of citizens declared that our taxes are too high, our federal government is too big, and our states' rights are being trampled upon. Out of respect for that great movement, we want to be sure to do our part. Join a free telephone call with Governors Mark Sanford of South Carolina and Rick Perry of Texas to collaborate on our plan to fight for freedom and win America back."

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

If you want to sign up for the call:

http://www.thegopcomeback.com/freedom

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

LOL! Of course there's a way to count the telephone participants (and get their phone numbers). It's called the BILL.

http://www.unlimitedconferencing.com/services/Audio/audio_conferencing.htm

Sounds like they can handle 30,000 calls, since they offer support for very large conferences, such as Investor Relations calls.

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"The beauty of the call-in tea party is there's nobody out there counting actual participants. I wonder if there's even software available that can handle a 30,000 line conference call?"

That would be kind of funny if the software crashed, but I gues it could be spun as a testament to the number of people who wanted in.

Is this not being done on the internet? I know the Obama campaign would occasionally have these internet conference calls that were open to everyone. Those definitely handled more than 30,000 people.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Looking at the picture of those intellectual people throwing those gunnysacks of tea (?) into the water, I'm reminded of those intellectual people who emptied bottles of French wine to punish the French that they were told to hate, not having the intellect to realize that the wine they were emptying was wine that the French had already been paid for. SO WHO LOST OUT, THE EMPTY HEADS DOING THE EMPTYING OR THE FRENCH COUNTING THEIR FRANCS?

Posted by: GrannyAnnie | May 14, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I guess the AIP is just manufactured and not grassroots enough too?

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"The beauty of the call-in tea party is there's nobody out there counting actual participants. I wonder if there's even software available that can handle a 30,000 line conference call?"

This is what I was going to say. it's brilliant really, as there's no way to prove or disprove the actual number of participants.

Posted by: VTDuffman | May 14, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Does Perry's claim that the tea protesters "aren't crazy people" fall under the "takes one to know one" umbrella?

Posted by: JohninMpls | May 14, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"This blows my mind that they are doing all this by phone. How is it a rally if no one sees it? I thought the point of these demonstrations is to you know...demonstrate."

The beauty of the call-in tea party is there's nobody out there counting actual participants. I wonder if there's even software available that can handle a 30,000 line conference call?

Posted by: bsimon1 | May 14, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"This whole "tea party" thing is so manufactured, it's tedious! Why do these people bother? Why can't they come up with their own ideas, instead of copying a 200-year-old bit of sabotage and pranksterism? Good grief."

You know, is it that important that the Tea Parties aren't fighting for the exact same cause that the one 200 years ago was about. It's more an invocation of history. I actually think the whole idea is pretty creative.

Now, there are plenty of issues I have with this
-the ridiculous of their cause
-the lack of understanding by the participants
-the corporate sponsoring of it
-the underwriting of it by what is supposed to be a news organization. And I'm not just talking about the opinion guys. There's no reason the actual news people should have covered it so much.

But just because its not exactly about representation isn't a terrific reason to be critical.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

VTDuffman:

It's not a contradiction. Maybe you're thinking about Will Rogers not belonging to an "organized" party?

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

""The American INDEPENDENT Party is fiscally and socially conservative."

I will honestly say that I will never vote for a candidate from a party whose name is a contradiction of itself.

It's impossible to have an "Independent Party." Once you're a party, you're no longer independent."

Dude, its just a name.

It's funny how jaked capitalizes the middle name of even the party as a supposed cover for his attempt to stoke racial bigotry through the capitalization of Obama's middle name.

Yup, we're convinced. Jaked is no racist...yup.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

This blows my mind that they are doing all this by phone. How is it a rally if no one sees it? I thought the point of these demonstrations is to you know...demonstrate.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

This whole "tea party" thing is so manufactured, it's tedious! Why do these people bother? Why can't they come up with their own ideas, instead of copying a 200-year-old bit of sabotage and pranksterism? Good grief.

The events leading up to the original "tea party" have NO echo in what's happening today. If these participants knew anything at all about history....but then, they seem pleased enough to repeat it.

Posted by: undercover_hon | May 14, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"The American INDEPENDENT Party is fiscally and socially conservative."

I will honestly say that I will never vote for a candidate from a party whose name is a contradiction of itself.

It's impossible to have an "Independent Party." Once you're a party, you're no longer independent.

Posted by: VTDuffman | May 14, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"More fodder for teabag jokes. Comedians rejoice!"

And the good ones cringe. There was nothing more mindnumbing than the teabagging jokes.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

The American Independent Party consists primarily of people who checked "Independent" on the California registration form, thinking it meant non-aligned or un-affiliated. That's why jaked's constant insistence that he is a "registered Independent" is so lame.

The people who actually intentionally belong to the party are the fringiest of fringe nutcakes. It's where old John Birchers go to die. What's more, the party split in two before the 2008 election over the nomination of Keyes, so it's a grievously disorganized bunch of nutcakes as well. It's more like a social club for the clinically self-righteous than an actual political party. I'm sure they love this whole tea party thing. It's right up their alley.

Posted by: nodebris | May 14, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I know (and truly) appreciate that this is all about politics, but as a devoted fan of Wilco, how could you possibly not make this your click it?

http://beta.wilcoworld.net/records/thealbum/index.php

Posted by: kdemko | May 14, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

A tea party by phone? Phone sex?

I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: bs2004 | May 14, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

azjimn2son:

I doubt that LeRiverend is racist, etc.

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

If Sanford, Perry, or other Republicans wish to associate themselves with the lunatic, racist crowd that attends these tea parties, go for it. Just further proof that the Republican Party is going to be in the wilderness for decades. Neither of these grandstanding clowns will be re-elected anyway. They can battle Palin for the idiot vote.

Posted by: azjimn2son | May 14, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I guess 30,000 participants on the phone call is "not enough" for some imaginary threshold level? Do you know how many "Indians" participated in the FIRST Tea Party?

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

VTDuffman writes
""Independent Party" is an oxymoron. I think you're looking for the term "third Party. And I don't have a problem with that either. I'd love to see a socially liberal fiscally conservative party with any viability start making its way in this country."

That's why in Minnesota its called the Independence Party, or IP. The challenges 3rd parties face are manifold. First & foremost is overcoming voters' habit of voting their fears - there's more motivation to keep the undesireable candidate out of office than getting a good candidate into office. So they think voting 3rd party is a 'wasted' vote - and fear that the worse of the two major party 'evils' will get into office.

Posted by: bsimon1 | May 14, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

LeRiverend:

Please cite to even one anti-Chavez rally bigger than the TEA Party shown in this picture.

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The American INDEPENDENT Party is fiscally and socially conservative. If the GOP refuses to take back that mantle, the AIP is ready and willing to.

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

More fodder for teabag jokes. Comedians rejoice!

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | May 14, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"I have no problem with an INDEPENDENT party movement growing out of these TEA parties"

"Independent Party" is an oxymoron. I think you're looking for the term "third Party. And I don't have a problem with that either. I'd love to see a socially liberal fiscally conservative party with any viability start making its way in this country.

These Tea parties aren't that, though. They're artificial movements funded by GOP surrogates in an attempt to re-brand the GOP establishment after a debacle of the last 8+ Years.

The whole point is that when the GOP makes its resurgence, Rick Perry, Mark Sanford, Haley Barbour, Sarah Palin, etc. isn't going to be the person leadign the charge because they aren't credible. It's going to be someone that we don't even know about yet.

Posted by: VTDuffman | May 14, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure about you getting on Wait Wait, but I'm sure you could get Carl Castle to do the message on your answering machine!

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | May 14, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Wait...this is all being done over the PHONE?

Posted by: DDAWD | May 14, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Hey Chris, could you devote some cyberspace to the weekly Falun Gong protests in every big American city? I ask because I will walk by one of these every now and then and they have more people than the motley crew at the "Tea Party" I attended.

For that matter on a pretty regular basis you can see all sorts of demonstrations here on the Boston Common that dwarfed our "Tea Party"...so more coverage of the Venezuelans (I guess anti-Chavez), more coverage of the pro-marijuana's, more coverage on both sides of the israel/palestine...

These Tea guys had their day in the sun and didn't back it up with participants, sick a fork in them. More people showed up at one pro-immigration rally in Chicago than at all the Tea Parties across America!

Posted by: LeRiverend | May 14, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

VTDuffman:

I have no problem with an INDEPENDENT party movement growing out of these TEA parties. I don't think the GOP is completely useless though. Once we make an example of Anthony Adams here in California, that should fortify the Republicans as anti-tax again. If it doesn't, there's the Independent party ready to pick up the pieces.

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

The GOP is facing two serious hurdles right now in their fight to re-gain power:

1) They're trying to copy the democrats, and it's painfully obvious. Everyone who knew anything knew that Michael Steele was incompetent. The RNC basically went "We need out OWN black guy!" It was transparent to everyone and it has blown up in their face.

Now they are trying to manufacture grassroots organization, which defeats the whole point of "grassroots" organizations. Here's a hint: If you have to keep telling us that it's "grassroots," if you have to keep telling us about the "energy," etc...it's not there. If it were there, you wouldn't need to tell us about it - "Methinks the governor doth protest too much."

2) Major credibility issue with current republicans because they all supported Pres. Bush when it was politically convenient to do so, now they are all against him. Republicans had their shot to stand up in defense of civil liberties, fiscal restraint, and limited government when they were in power and they didn't. For the most part, voters aren't dumb, we see through this.

Posted by: VTDuffman | May 14, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Despite the RGA, July 4th is the next big TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Parties. Out here in California, Props. 1A-E are going to be defeated Tuesday. Not sure how any of that is an "incomparable failure" (except for politicians who are seeking to raise taxes even more ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 14, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Who really cares what Perry does? He is finished this cycle when Kay Hutchison wipes the floor with him in the Governors race.
These Tea parties are good foder for the blood red loyalists, but the average independent voter will look on this as somewhat silly, especially the second time around.
This is similar to the meet-ups that Howard Dean made famous. They were great for the avid Deaniacs, but an average voter would be slightly put off by them (at least that was my impression when I went to one, and I am pretty big liberal).

Posted by: AndyR3 | May 14, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"Love the clever use of French numbering.. so continental.. "


French numbering??

Posted by: bsimon1 | May 14, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Cillizza.. I have warned you about that iPhoney...

Posted by: newbeeboy | May 14, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Love the clever use of French numbering.. so continental.. maybe the French will save us from the new monarchy..

Posted by: newbeeboy | May 14, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

BEWARE OF LOW-FLYING AIRCRAFT?


Forget for a moment (if you can) that the "socialist" George W. Bush was the one who ran up the deficit and presided over the Robin Hood-in-reverse Wall Street bailouts.

It appears this "Tea Party Redux" is part and parcel of an orchestrated plan to call into question the legitimacy of the Obama presidency -- and the patriotism of his party and his supporters.

Is this second round of tea parties part of a campaign to "soften the battlefield" for an incipient coup d'etat by dark forces within the federal bureauracy...

...the forces that would "desensitize" the population to a pervasive military presence by "terror buzzing" population centers with low-flying aircraft?

I could not help but notice that President Obama's address to ASU graduates was nearly drowned out a couple of times by what sounded like low-flying aircraft.

Did any of the White House press corps notice this? If so, please check in here. And read this:

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR (if link is corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | May 14, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Perry's seccession talk was the kind of posturing noise you make when you are thinking of running for national office --it gets you a little attention. And as for Sanford, he's done what for South Carolina? His isn't the kind of governance record that makes you say "Let's put him in charge of everything."

Gosh, if Texas did secede they'd have to pay for their own border protection and disaster relief...that *might* be worth it.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | May 14, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

They had to try a second tea party after the first was such an incomparable failure...

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | May 14, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

The fact that TX is a net donor state does not relieve Goodhair of his burden of incompetency.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | May 14, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Texas is a net donor state. This has been true over a long period of time.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/22685.html

Posted by: mark_in_austin | May 14, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

It's a tempest in a teacup! This phoney outrage plays only to the media and not the public. And for Perry to say they aren't crazy people... Hmmmm

Posted by: RickJ | May 14, 2009 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Two "Whack Job" Governors. Perry should declare independence and Sanford should go look at one of his public schools that's falling in due to lack of funding.

Both of these state receive more tax revenue than they send to Washington which leads me to believe they both flunked math.

Posted by: NotBubba | May 14, 2009 6:54 AM | Report abuse

And now, streaming from the Nursery... it's CHRIS.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | May 14, 2009 6:32 AM | Report abuse

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