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President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. MANDEL NGAN/AFP/Getty Images

The most fascinating and important relationship in the Obama cabinet -- between the president and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton -- also happens to be the one we know the least about.

Have these two former rivals for the presidency really made peace? How trusted an adviser is Clinton for the president? How has she adjusted, if at all, to the subordinate role?

The president says little about the nature of their relationship -- limiting it to the broad idea that he likes to be surrounded by the best and the brightest and Clinton fits that bill.

"I actually think that Hillary Clinton has been very much a team player," Obama told Post reporters and editors days before being sworn in as president -- pronouncing himself "extraordinarily happy" with her performance.

Clinton hadn't discussed her new job or her relationship with the president in any way -- until she sat down yesterday day for an interview with George Stephanopoulos on the ABC's "This Week."

Clinton, who never gives away much of her internal thinking to the media, was far from an open book in her sitdown with Stephanpoulos but did give some insight into why she took the job and what she thinks of the man she serves.

The former first lady recounted that when she first heard the secretary of state rumors she dismissed them as media hype, and, even when Obama first asked her about the possibility, she was reluctant to consider it.

What changed her mind?

"Ultimately it came down to my feeling that, number one, when your president asks you to do something for your country, you really need a good reason not to do it," Clinton explained. "Number two, if I had won and I had asked him to please help me serve our country, I would have hoped he would say yes." (We can't help but speculate: If Clinton had won the nomination is there any way she wouldn't have picked Obama for vice president?)

As for putting the nastiness of the campaign -- typified by the "3 a.m." ad that sought to raise questions about Obama's readiness to sit in the big chair -- Clinton insisted it is no longer relevant.

She said Obama would "absolutely" be ready to field a 3 a.m. call with an international emergency, adding: "the president in his public actions and demeanor, and certainly in private with me and with the national security team, has been strong, thoughtful, decisive."

While we tend to be slightly skeptical that everything is absolutely hunky dory between the two former rivals -- a campaign that personal that went on for that long is not so easily forgotten -- it seems clear that Clinton and Obama have found a way to work together without any of the sort of public back-biting that so many expected when the former New York senator was chosen for the Cabinet.

One senior Democratic aide familiar with the interactions between the two described the relationship as "surprisingly warm."

The strength of that relationship will be tested in the coming years as Obama and Clinton seek to find a way toward Middle East peace. Obama, so far, has struck a relatively hard line with the Israelis -- insisting that a two-state solution is the proper course forward.

One theory goes that Obama's willingness to play the "bad cop" (of sorts) is balanced out by Clinton's good cop; she and her husband, former president Bill Clinton, are among the most stalwart supporters of Israel in the American government.

Can Clinton and Obama continue to make their relationship work to the mutual benefit of both sides? It's one of the central questions of the first four years of this presidency. So far, so good.

Monday Fix Picks: Watching Roger Federer play tennis is like reading a piece by David Maraniss.

1. Dan Balz on why New Jersey and Virginia governors races matter.
2. What Obama's trip meant.
3. Joe Sestak says only "act of God" will keep him out of Pennsylvania Senate race.
4. Pollster calls Marco Rubio's Senate bid in Florida a "waste of great political talent".
5. Wal-Mart endures.

McAuliffe Moves to Electability Argument: Less than 24 hours before polls open across Virginia, former Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe has changed his campaign message to focus on electability -- arguing that only he is positioned to beat former state attorney general Bob McDonnell (R) in the governor's race this fall. "Virginia's newspapers agree...Terry McAuliffe is the Democrat who can win in November," says the narrator in a new ad that went up Sunday night. The new ads are accompanied by a more aggressive approach by McAuliffe toward state Sen. Creigh Deeds who has made up considerable ground in recent weeks. Although Deeds is not mentioned in McAuliffe's ad, the former DNC chairman told the Richmond Times Dispatch that Deeds had already lost once to McDonnell -- the Republican edged Deeds by just 323 votes out of more than 1.9 million cast for attorney general in 2005 -- and that the state senator's positions on transportation taxes and gun rights would make him a flawed candidate. Appeals to electability have a very mixed record of success in primaries. Those who vote in these low-turnout affairs tend to be the most devoted of party activists, voters who believe in the principles of the party more than its personalities. As a result, those folks tend to vote with their hearts not their heads.

Davis Is In: Alabama Rep. Artur Davis (D) made his candidacy for governor official this weekend with an announcement in Birmingham. "You can do anything if it's the right thing," said Davis, who is seeking to become the first black governor of the Yellowhammer State. Davis has downplayed comparisons between himself and President Obama although given that the two were classmates at Harvard Law School and that Davis is casting himself as the outsider in the race, the similarities between the two men are patently obvious. Davis will face state Agriculture Commissioner Ron Sparks in the Democratic primary, and Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Sue Bell Cobb is also mulling a run. The seat will be vacant in 2010 as Gov. Bob Riley (R) is is term limited. Davis's bid has already drawn national attention and will draw lots more before the race is over.

Click It!: If you missed NBC's fascinating and brilliantly produced look inside the White House, make sure to check it out online. Where else can you see White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel telling reporters he "hates" them and get up close shots of both deputy communications director Dan Pfeiffer AND deputy chief of staff Jim Messina?

Specter Signals Change on Labor Vote: With a rewritten Employee Free Choice Act likely to be introduced in Congress within the next month, Pennsylvania Democratic Sen. Arlen Specter is signaling he is likely to back the legislation -- a major priority of the labor community. "I believe you'll be satisfied with my vote on this issue," Specter told a group of union activists in Pittsburgh over the weekend, according to a story on the Allentown Morning Call's blog. Specter essentially killed the first version of EFCA when, still a Republican, he announced his opposition to the bill -- switching his position from when it was last voted on by the Senate. Circumstances have changed mightily since then, however, with Specter's party switch, an unhappy labor movement and the very real prospect of a primary challenge from Rep. Joe Sestak (D) next year. To win that primary, Specter must -- we repeat, must -- find a way to vote for some version of EFCA. Otherwise, he hands Sestak an incredibly potent issue amid signs that Democratic primary voters remain undecided about how they feel about the newest member of their party.

Follow Me: Looking for a foreign policy fix in 140-characters of less? Here's three good foreign policy Twitter feeds to check out (courtesy of the Fix Twosse): German Marshall Fund, Foreign Policy magazine and AfPak Channel.

Say What?: "I think this is a kind of a sideshow." -- David Axelrod, a senior adviser to President Obama, on the controversy surrounding Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor's "wise Latina" comments during an interview with CNN's John King.

By Chris Cillizza  |  June 8, 2009; 5:24 AM ET
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Comments

for those of you who said..."barack obama president?, over my dead body" I'm still looking for your corpes...

Posted by: opp88 | June 8, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

...better you make fun of my vocabulary than spend time laughing at people with tangled blood vessels in the brain, you sick piece of work.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 8, 2009 1:10 PM |


They DO get nasty when their cover is blown, don't they?

And just who is tangling their "target's" brain blood vessels?

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | June 8, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

If you took all the people on planet earth. all 6 billion and stood everyone up right... we would all fit in the state of florida...

Posted by: opp88 | June 8, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

President Barack H. Obama is one ba'aaaaaad ma'aaaaaan. No escaping this reality... You GO MR. PRESIDENT.

Posted by: opp88 | June 8, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I heard, with every articulate and thorough response, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's interview on ABC's This Week program. In my heart and mind, she remains the most competent, most savvy and most deserving woman politician ever to be denied her 'time' to be President of the United States of America because of sexism and media bias. How could you think otherwise when Mr. Cillizza, and so many others in the media continue to widely speculate and arrogantly provide their insight as to why she 'took the (Secretary of State) job' and what she thinks of the 'man she serves'. Why doesn't Chris ask Joe Biden the same question? He might be surprised to learn that Joe accepted the VP job because the President asked him to fill the position and that he 'serves the President' -- not just the man.

Posted by: mpwynn | June 8, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"So sorry, that last one was for DDAWD, not drindl.

Must have my paid trolls mixed up."

better you make fun of my vocabulary than spend time laughing at people with tangled blood vessels in the brain, you sick piece of work.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 8, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

So sorry, that last one was for DDAWD, not drindl.

Must have my paid trolls mixed up.

Posted by: scrivener50 | June 8, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Well, now we know "the secret place" where drindl the apparent paid operative troll goes to enhance his vocabulary. From now on, call him "The Yellow Kid."

(Look it up, blog mobbers.)

Interesting you remember what I reported happened at that Hillary rally last year. Wonder if DHS internal affairs noticed, too... You just never know if and when the tables are turning.

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-fusion-center-spying-pretext-harass-and-censor

Posted by: scrivener50 | June 8, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"Transmogrified vigilante microwave radiation burned my secret place during a Clinton rally in PA. Every law enforcement agency in the nation knows about it.

OBAMA HAS NAIVELY maintained the BUSH-CHENEY VAST RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY targeting my politics and ethnic background. HOLDER is not interested in hard leads, or "cross hares"."


Hahaha, this is the first time I've seen the word "transmogrified" outside of a Calvin and Hobbes comic.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 8, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

@drindl - Good link. I tend to feel that what was done was wrong, but not done in bad faith.

@heibett - The State Department has plenty of interpreters and translators. You can rest assured that the Secretary is informed of public opinion in Israel.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 8, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Transmogrified vigilante microwave radiation burned my secret place during a Clinton rally in PA. Every law enforcement agency in the nation knows about it.

OBAMA HAS NAIVELY maintained the BUSH-CHENEY VAST RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY targeting my politics and ethnic background. HOLDER is not interested in hard leads, or "cross hares".

http://nowpublic.com/world/TrappedInChocolateInHersheyPA.com

OR (if link is corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/WhiteRabbit/Harvey/CrossHare

Posted by: scribbler50 | June 8, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The contentious debate over so-called enhanced interrogation techniques took center stage Wednesday on Capitol Hill as a former FBI agent involved in the questioning of terror suspects testified that such tactics -- including waterboarding -- are ineffective.

i Soufan, an FBI special agent from 1997 to 2005, told members of a key Senate Judiciary subcommittee that such "techniques, from an operational perspective, are ineffective, slow and unreliable and harmful to our efforts to defeat al Qaeda."

Soufan's remarks followed heated exchanges between committee members with sharply differing views on both the value of the techniques and the purpose of the hearing.

Soufan, who was involved in the interrogation of CIA detainee Abu Zubaydah, took issue with former Vice President Dick Cheney, who has said that enhanced interrogation techniques helped the government acquire intelligence necessary to prevent further attacks after September 11, 2001.

The techniques, which the Bush administration approved, are considered torture by many critics.

"From my experience -- and I speak as someone who has personally interrogated many terrorists and elicited important actionable intelligence -- I strongly believe that it is a mistake to use what has become known as the 'enhanced interrogation techniques,' " Soufan noted in his written statement.

Such a position is "shared by many professional operatives, including the CIA officers who were present at the initial phases of the Abu Zubaydah interrogation."

Soufan told the committee that within the first hour of his interrogation of Zubaydah, the suspected terrorist provided actionable intelligence.

But once the CIA contractors took over and used harsh methods, Zubaydah stopped talking, Soufan said. When Soufan was asked to resume questioning, Zubaydah cooperated. After another round of more coercive techniques used by the contractors, however, Soufan said it was difficult for him to re-engage Zubaydah."

Posted by: drindl | June 8, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"@drindl - You wrote: "Waterboarding was created, and has always been used, to elicit false confessions. That's all it's good for."

I'm having a little trouble understanding this. The CIA had an extremely high value captive. Mastermind of 9/11 and other attacks. Presumably with knowledge of other plans. Knowing this, they decided to use a technique they knew would generate false information. This isn't merely criminal, but treasonous. Or simply untrue."

There's so much material out there written by people who were personally involved in this. If I can find the links, i will point it out to you. Information was gotten from a few captives BEFORE they were tortured -- nothing of value came after that.

The people involved in the torture didn't understand it's history, didn't even know about the witches, didn't know it been used recently to get fake confessions by the vietcong, for instance.

Posted by: drindl | June 8, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"Why is it so hard to admit that some forms harsh questioning can and do work? And then take the stand that it's immoral and therefore out of bounds. If these agents were just working out their frustrations, why stop at waterboarding? There's much nastier stuff that is used around the world."

Yeah, I'm wondering if there isn't an attempt to eliminate the cognitive dissonance. For me, it just comes down to the fact that there are only a handful of people that claim torture works and I don't trust any of them.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 8, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"ddawd, does your response depend on where the race is held? In other words, does it depend on the fact that the Gov. of AL does not affect you but its Senators might?"

Actually, for me personally, the location doesn't matter. I hardly ever pay attention to governor races even if it is for the state I happen to be in.

The original question is just in reference to the Marco Rubio article that Chris listed in his daily picks.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 8, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

"If Clinton had won the nomination is there any way she wouldn't have picked Obama for vice president?"

No way she'd have asked anyone else, especially if she'd needed superdels to win. Speaking of the primary, is it possible Hillary only accepted the job because the international travel would let her get away from her annoying hardcore supporters and PUMAs? And being a senator can't be all that great if John Kerry was "crushed" when he didn't get Secretary of State.

"Obama, so far, has struck a relatively hard line with the Israelis-insisting that a two-state solution is the proper course forward. One theory goes that Obama's willingness to play the "bad cop" (of sorts) is balanced out by Clinton's good cop"

What is going on where insisting on a two-state solution to Israel is considered hard line? I don't see good cop, bad cop. Obama, Clinton, even Rahm Emanuel are communicating in concert to Israel that like the Palestinians they have responsibilities. And even Obama is saying just as much as Clinton that the US is committed to Israel's security. People have unfortunate tendency to view things simplistically as black or white - are you on our side or their side? In more ways than one our president is half-black and half-white.

Posted by: birchbeer | June 8, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

@drindl - You wrote: "Waterboarding was created, and has always been used, to elicit false confessions. That's all it's good for."

I'm having a little trouble understanding this. The CIA had an extremely high value captive. Mastermind of 9/11 and other attacks. Presumably with knowledge of other plans. Knowing this, they decided to use a technique they knew would generate false information. This isn't merely criminal, but treasonous. Or simply untrue.

Why is it so hard to admit that some forms harsh questioning can and do work? And then take the stand that it's immoral and therefore out of bounds. If these agents were just working out their frustrations, why stop at waterboarding? There's much nastier stuff that is used around the world.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 8, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

WHEN HILLARY WARNED OF THE 'VAST RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY,' SHE SPOKE FROM PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE.

UNDER BUSH-CHENEY, IT WAS CODIFIED INTO A PERVASIVE, MULTI-AGENCY 'EXTRAJUDICIAL PUNISHMENT AND CONTROL NETWORK'...

...THAT TEAM OBAMA HAS NAIVELY ALLOWED TO CONTINUE.


Federal community policing and related civilian volunteer programs have been transmogrified into a federally-enabled vigilante army that uses covertly implanted GPS tracking devices and classified microwave radiation "directed energy weapons" to stalk, harass -- and yes, torture -- unjustly "targeted" American citizens and their entire families.

Victims maintain their politics and ethnic background factor into their targeting.

Every law enforcement agency in the nation knows about it this covert GPS "harassment protocol" and lets it happen -- an American Gestapo hiding in plain sight.

And an array of secret federal "programs of personal destruction" slowly erodes the livelihoods and finances of the unjustly targeted -- with the forced cooperation of the private sector, co-opted by laws intended to be used against terrorists.

Victims -- including the writer of the article linked below -- have demanded a civil rights investigation by the U.S. Justice Department. Local and federal authorities listen -- but do nothing, and do not seem interested in hard leads that could lead directly to local vigilantes who are terrorizing their neighbors on a daily basis.

Team Obama -- YOU are in the cross-hairs of this nationwide civilian brownshirt army, too. Your Bush holdovers know all about it.

PLEASE WAKE UP and take down this neo-fascist police state apparatus before it takes down YOU along with untold thousands of the "unjustly targeted."


http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR (if link is corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | June 8, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

mark_in_austin writes
"if all NK has to barter for big bucks is nukes, and if SK and Japan are sufficiently worried, vbhoomes' scenario could play out. But I would be hopeful that the Chinese are so worried that Japan would rearm that they would join completely in stifling NK by sanctions."


Often overlooked is China's reaction to NK's most recent belligerence. They do not appear to be at all supportive of NK's recent nuke test or missle tests. Perhaps US diplomatic efforts with the Chinese are steering them towards 'doing something' about NK.

I am fairly shocked though, that in a conversation about two journalists held in NK, vbhoomes can reach a position of "if that means war, so be it" so quickly. It is fairly unreasonable to argue that if NK doesn't do what we want on the timeframe we want, the 'obvious' answer is to start bombing. Yes, there certainly are significant negative consequences to NK becoming a nuke power. But the consequences of using war to stop that from happening are likewise significant.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 8, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

drindl, more likely that Tom Bodette's [sp?] view of NK will prove accurate. The youngest brother will rename his children "Kim Il"; his older brother, Kim Very Il; his eldest brother, Kim Terminally Il; and his then late father, Kim Dead.

bsimon, if all NK has to barter for big bucks is nukes, and if SK and Japan are sufficiently worried, vbhoomes' scenario could play out. But I would be hopeful that the Chinese are so worried that Japan would rearm that they would join completely in stifling NK by sanctions.

Eventually, Japan will have to rearm if NK continues its belligerence. I do not know when that will happen, but it is ultimately politically what a Japanese admin would have to do to stay in office, at some point.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | June 8, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

@vbhoomes - I agree with root cause, but not the culprit. It's too easy to blame on any single player. Fannie and Freddie were late to the sub prime party, though joined in. If it's still available, check out the giant pool of money story by This American Life.

There was a nice follow-up on regulators and rating agencies. Stuff was marked AAA based on inappropriate historical models. Even worse, financial companies were able to choose their regulator. Who knew AIG was a thrift?

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 8, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm being ironic, bhoomes. I don't beleive in torture. Waterboarding was created, and has always been used, to elicit false confessions. That's all it's good for. That's why it was used on accused witches to get them to confess. They always did, eventually -- even though they knew they would then be burned alive. How bad do you think it is if you want to make it stop so much you agree to be roasted?

But if I did, there would be every bit as much reason to torture This creep than anyone we ever captured in Iraq.

Posted by: drindl | June 8, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Drindl are saying we should waterboard Scott Roeder?

Posted by: vbhoomes | June 8, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Great Leader appears to be dying and it is hoped that his youngest son, who is his chosen heir, will be more sane. He was apparently educated in Switzerland and likes to ski, and is a fan of Michael Jordan. At least he has been exposed to the outside world.

Posted by: drindl | June 8, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

vbhoomes writes
"If that means war, so be it."


And for the 10 million people living in Seoul, 30 miles from the DMZ: "too bad."


.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 8, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

ticking time bomb:

"Scott Roeder called The Associated Press from the Sedgwick County jail, where he’s being held on charges of first-degree murder and aggravated assault in the shooting of Dr. George Tiller one week ago.

“I know there are many other similar events planned around the country as long as abortion remains legal,” Roeder said. When asked by the AP what he meant and if he was referring to another shooting, he refused to elaborate further."

where is the waterboard? when do we start the torture? lives are at stake here.

Posted by: drindl | June 8, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

The WSJ is alone in fronting preliminary results from Lebanon's election that show the American-backed coalition managed to maintain its parliamentary majority, a surprising outcome, since many expected that a Hezbollah-led bloc would be victorious.
Obama FP succeeeding nicely:'

The election "had been billed as a showdown between Tehran and Washington for influence in the Middle East," notes the NYT. The results might have been affected by the 53 percent turnout rate, which was much higher than anyone was expecting. Perhaps Obama played a part as well: Hezbollah quickly dismissed his Cairo address even though many Muslims responded positively. Whatever the reasons, there is a sigh of relief coming out of Foggy Bottom as the defeat of Hezbollah appears to give Obama more leeway to pursue his Middle East peace initiative."

Posted by: drindl | June 8, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

mikeinmidland writes
"The geography of the China-NK border at that point is not nebulous. It is the Tumen River. What was in dispute is whether the journalists crossed the river or, as reported by South Korean journalists, the North Korean border guards crossed the river and detained the journalists on Chinese territory."


Please recall that the river was frozen at the time. Now explain to me how that is a clear boundary where you can definitively state whether a person standing on a frozen river is in Chinese or NK territory.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 8, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Deregulation is the root of the all this financial mess and anyone with a brain understands this. Phill Gramm almost singlehandedly destroyed the american economy.

Posted by: drindl | June 8, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"And what is this "Obimbo" claptrap? Is that the limit of your linguistic capacity? Sounds pretty puerile to me"

"puerile' is what he is and does. where are the acorns and teleprompters this morning, zouk? and where's your obbsession with your sweetheart Nancy pelosi?

Posted by: drindl | June 8, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

The genesis of this economic meltdown was the sub prime mortage FairlingtonBlade. We should had reigned in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Their was good intentions on all sides trying to get as many americans as they could into homes. It was these good intentions that created this mess. Both WH and Congress share in this blame.

Posted by: vbhoomes | June 8, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Hey BSIMON: I agree we will not know for sure until we get those two journalists home to be debriefed. But I am sure they were a very tempting target for NK's, as they can use them a bargaining chips and to some degree try to hold the US hostage for their release. From what I read the Obama administration is headed in the right way towards getting tough with NK. Its evident that diplomacy is a waste of time with NK. As said before, we need to have a policy of containment. That means interdicting their ships and shooting down any more long range missisle. If that means war, so be it. We can not allow them to sell the nuclear know how and parts to all of the worst players in the World. Just can't do it. Civilization would be at stake at that point.

Posted by: vbhoomes | June 8, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

@vbhoomes - What policy should the Democrats have instituted in 2007/2008 that would have prevented the collapse? Make sure it's something that would gain Republican support as Bush could have vetoed any bill from Congress.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 8, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

The geography of the China-NK border at that point is not nebulous. It is the Tumen River. What was in dispute is whether the journalists crossed the river or, as reported by South Korean journalists, the North Korean border guards crossed the river and detained the journalists on Chinese territory.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | June 8, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

vbhoomes writes
"I seriously doubt those two reporters were in NK. Most likely they were kidnapped by NK on the Chinese side of the border."

The version of the story I saw - including statements from a team member who was there, but was not captured - said that the exact location of the border in that area is somewhat nebulous. The film crew may or may not have crossed into NK territory; the NK soldiers may or may not have crossed into Chinese territory to grab the journalists.

More to the point; what do the critics of the Obama admin's handling of the situation think he should be doing that he is not - bombing NK?

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 8, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

You have a very simplistic view of things JAXAS. All of the countrys ills can be simply laid at the Republicans, as if the dems have not control of Congress since 2007. Their is plenty of blame to go around on all sides. Plus I seriously doubt those two reporters were in NK. Most likely they were kidnapped by NK on the Chinese side of the border. Interesting to see, you are quick to buy NK propoganda. Maybe you also believe Iran is not interested in building nuclear weapons?

Posted by: vbhoomes | June 8, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

BTW king_of_zouk, the economic collapse is a consequence of conservative policies, not liberal. It is conservative dogma to deregulate business. It is conservative dogma to cut taxes on business and the wealthy. It is conservative dogma to enact policies favorable to Wall Street and the bankers. It is conservative policy to get us into unnecessary wars and borrow against our kids futures to pay for it. It is conservative policy to strut arrogantly around the world offending our allies and damaging our reputation. It is conservative policy to cut critical spending on levees, bridges, dams and the general infrastructure.

Every calamity we have suffered over the past 8 years can be laid at the feet of conservatives. Obama didn't trash the economy. He inherited a trashed economy and a trashed America from a bunch of dimwitted conservatives who don't know how to find their buttocks with both hands let along govern a nation.

Posted by: jaxas | June 8, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Hey king_of_zouk! What are you? Some kind of a nut? Those two journalists were arrested because they crossed over the river into North Korea. Just how in the hell do you think anything President Obama (I'll wager it chaps your hiney to hear that phrase!) could possibly have done about it. And what is this "Obimbo" claptrap? Is that the limit of your linguistic capacity? Sounds pretty puerile to me. Don't bother to look it up. It means childish.

Posted by: jaxas | June 8, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Obimbos promise that unemployment would top out at 8 percent has expired- like all his other promises. Watch to see what the deficit turns out to be. Good thing he "saved" all those jobs. Guffaw. Meanwhile obimbos takeover of fiat is unconstitutional. What lib idea isn't?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 8, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Obambis bowing and scraping now have resulted in two American journalists getting locked up in n Korea. Missiles, nukes, kidnappings. What will it take for the naive arrogance to end. Meanwhile the economy sinks further. What a lib disaster all around.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 8, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Hillary is the most fascinating interview on the Sunday sows in quite awhile. She is clearly angling for something else in the State job.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | June 8, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

ddawd, does your response depend on where the race is held? In other words, does it depend on the fact that the Gov. of AL does not affect you but its Senators might?

Posted by: mark_in_austin | June 8, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

First of all, Heibett, not all Israelis feel like you. And many Americans feel that it is Israel that is being unfaithful to the principles we thought we shared with them. America never supported your West Bank and Gaza settlement project, it's incompatible with peace. Finally, we're focusing on that. And some Americans are paying attention to the ever growing racism in Israel against Arabs.

Posted by: newageblues | June 8, 2009 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Also, which do you think is more high profile, a Senate race or a GOvernor's race? I personally find I pay more attention to the Senate races.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 8, 2009 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Obama and Clinton are core politicians. I doubt they took any of the campaign personally. I think Bill actually was more upset by the whole ordeal than Hillary, especially after the fallout from his comments after the South Carolina primary.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 8, 2009 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Dear Mrs. Clinton

I heard about your commitment to Israel.
Well, let say it gently, the people in Israel do not really believe you.
I hope you do not know to read Hebrew, The feedbacks in the sites will embarrassed you.
If to be more honest, (like you are). You and your government looked like betrayers.
True. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his government is the biggest enemy of the State of Israel. It is not surprising.
But to see how your best Friend becomes unfaithful is more painful.

Ofer. Israel.

Posted by: heibett | June 8, 2009 6:17 AM | Report abuse

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