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Morning Fix: The Head, Heart and Gut of the GOP



Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, and Tim Pawlenty. Photos by Manuel Balce Ceneta/AP, Ida Mae Astute/ABC via Getty Images and Jay Premack/Bloomberg News

Three appearances by prominent GOP officials in the last 72 hours have effectively shown the three distinct paths available to the Republican Party as it seeks to re-invent and rebuild in advance of the 2010 midterm elections and the coming 2012 presidential election.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga.) provided a lengthy treatise on the relevancy of conservatism at the House-Senate Republican fundraising dinner Monday night.

That address was followed by twin appearances on Sean Hannity's Fox News Channel show on Fox News Channel by Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin on Monday night and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty on Tuesday night.

The triptych of appearances illustrated the three parts of the GOP "body" politic: the heart (Palin), the head (Gingrich) and the gut (Pawlenty).

The Heart: Palin's appeal within the GOP is derived from the sense that she "gets" the hopes, dreams and worries of the average Republican footsoldier. Palin's verbal colloquialisms, which play into that "hockey mom" image, were on full display with Hannity. Of the growth of the government, Palin said that "you've got to quit digging that hole when you are in that financial hole;" she also called the actions of the Obama Adminstration "kind of a 'we told you so.'" Palin embodies the outrage that many conservatives feel toward President Obama -- the idea that his intellectualism and talk of bipartisanship mask a dangerous tendency to rely on government to solve problems. Palin's solution to what ails the GOP is a return to the party roots, a plain-spoken conservatism that doesn't try to outsmart or outthink Obama but rather aims to draw heavily on "common sense values" in the country to make the case against the current president.

The Head: Gingrich is clearly one of the leading thinkers within the Republican Party, a man deeply versed in political theory, history and any number of other areas. Gingrich's learning was on display during his 56-minute refutation of Obama's policies; he spoke only from notes, according to the Post's Dan Balz and effortlessly weaved references to Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas into his patter. Gingrich's issues with Obama are purely on the intellectual level; the two men fundamentally disagree on the nature and proper role of government. And, if you are inclined to see things Gingrich's way, his speech was a well-reasoned and well argued case against the Obama presidency. The speech was, however, short on passion. Polite applause was the name of the game, a very different reaction than what Palin would have invoked had she keynoted the event. Not better or worse -- just different.

The Gut: Pawlenty, as we have written before, is the leading populist in the party at the moment. (Apologies to Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels but his pledge not to run in 2012 limits his reach within the GOP.) Pawlenty's personal story -- first in his family to go to college, a truck driver father etc. -- is at the heart of his appeal in Minnesota, a state not particularly inclined to support Republicans in statewide elections. Pawlenty played up his populist bona fides in his interview with Hannity; asked why he had decided not to run for a third term in 2010, Pawlenty responded: "I learned long ago in the blue-collar town of South St. Paul where I grew up, a meatpacking town, that there's less joy and more trouble in that last slice of pizza or that last glass of beer." John Edwards would be proud. What differentiates Tpaw's messaging from that of Palin? Pawlenty's positioning is not fundamentally ideological; it's about standing up for the little guy and ignoring traditional party labels to get things done. Palin, on the other hand, tends to approach issues from a more bluntly ideological perspective, relying on her sense of tradition and values to inform her beliefs on a wide range of matters.

To which body part do Republicans choose to listen? It could make a world of difference as the party prepares to make its case to voters in 2010 and ultimately 2012.

Thursday's Fix Picks: Only 24 hours until the next edition of Mouthpiece Theater!

1. What the Macker's loss means -- the Balz edition.
2. What the Macker's loss means -- the Ruffini edition.
3. Norm Coleman has to pay $95,000 of Al Franken's legal fees.
4. Bob Vander Plaats = Iowa stalking horse for Mike Huckabee.
5. Carrie Prejean (Again!)

Paterson Rakes It In: New York Gov. David Paterson will hold the first major fundraiser of his 2010 reelection effort tonight in midtown Manhattan -- with a special appearance by former president Bill Clinton (via video). Clinton will not be endorsing Paterson, sources familiar with the event are careful to note, but rather wishing him a happy birthday. (Paterson turned 55 on May 20.) The event is expected to raise better than $2 million for the embattled governor who badly trails state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, who has yet to make his intentions clear, in hypothetical primary polling. Paterson allies insist that tonight's fundraiser coupled with his recent veto of a pension program and a new and improved chief of staff in Lawrence S. Schwartz signal that he is moving in the right direction electorally. In addition to Schwartz, Paterson has brought on an entirely new team of consultants including Steve Murphy and Mark Putnam to handle media, Al Quinlan as his pollster and Tracy Sefl of Navigators as a communications adviser.

Crist Soars in New Poll: Another day, another independent poll that suggests Florida Gov. Charlie Crist (R) should start measuring the drapes for his Senate office now. Crist holds a commanding 54 percent to 23 percent primary lead over former state House Speaker Marco Rubio in a new Quinnipiac poll. The governor is also wildly personally popular (60 percent favorable/28 percent unfavorable) and has extremely strong job approval ratings (62 percent approve/28 percent disapprove). On the Democratic side of the aisle, Rep. Kendrick Meek is the frontrunner (of sorts) with 18 percent of the vote as compared to 12 percent for Rep. Corrine Brown and eight percent for Rep. Ron Klein. A whopping 57 percent of voters said they didn't know who they would vote for in the Democratic primary. Any politician can be beaten on any given day but the Crist forces have every reason to be optimistic about his chances.

Maloney Slams Gillibrand: Appearing more and more like a candidate for Senate, Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) said Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand's (D-N.Y.) record is "troubling" during an interview with NY1 on Wednesday night. "It's troubling to me that she could change her position on so many issues that are important to the country and to the city and the state within 24 hours," Maloney said in an interview with NY1's Dominic Carter. Maloney's interview comes roughly 24 hours after Politico's Ben Smith reported on a poll conducted for the the Upper East Side congresswoman that seemed to suggest she could be competitive in a race against Gillibrand. As we reported earlier this week on the Morning Fix, Joe Trippi, a well known Democratic consultant, is now advising Maloney. Rhetoric and informed ballot polling aside, Gillibrand is still a favorite in a primary fight -- thanks to her voracious fundraising and support from New York Sen. Chuck Schumer and the White House.

Bubba Watch: Obsessive observers of Bill Clinton (like the Fix, John F. Harris and Todd Purdum) pay attention: the former president will keynote a Democratic Leadership Council gala event honoring founder Al From on June 16 in Washington, D.C. "New Democrat stars past, present and future will celebrate From's contribution and legacy," according to the release announcing the event. Whether you love Clinton or hate him, you have got to admire his political skills. And, surrounded by a huge and supportive crowd, Clinton is sure to deliver a classic. Will Clinton be a member of the inaugural class of the Fix Political Hall of Fame? Check back Monday.

Mulhauser to Finance: Scott Mulhauser, a veteran of New Jersey politics (is there a better state for brass-knuckled politics?), is moving from the office of Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D) to the Senate Finance Committee where he will direct the committee's media efforts. The Finance Committee will be the hub of the health care fight this fall and Mulhauser's new post ensures he will be at the center of that scrap. For a man who has worked for -- among others -- former New Jersey Sen. Bob Torricelli (D), we can imagine that's right where Mulhauser wants to be.

Follow Me: Now that the Fix's dream job -- pop music critic at the Post -- has come open (J. Freedom is headed to greener pastures), we are jonesing for some good music Twitterers. Here's three suggestions from our ever-growing Twosse: All Songs, Sasha Frere-Jones, and WSJ Rock.

Say What?: "Them Jews aren't going to let him talk to me." -- Rev. Jeremiah Wright on why he hasn't talked to President Barack Obama in an interview with the Daily Press (Va.).

By Chris Cillizza  |  June 11, 2009; 6:00 AM ET
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>>Gingrich, on the other hand, giggled. He thought poverty was something to laugh at.

Actually that doesn't surprise me in the least. He's not at all a caring individual nor do the concerns of needs of others seem to impact him much at all. I've heard detailed stories about how he behaved and acted before he got into politics back when he was just a college professor at a small school in rural GA town; ironically the one I grew up in. He's yet to convince me he's changed into something of a more admirable or respectable man since then.

He's intelligent but to be honest he's always shown himself to be a heel when it comes to any kind of responsibility or compassion. I've always found it ironic he's a member of a party that espouses the importance of traditional family values let alone the Religious Right's values.

Both Palin and Gingrich lack something in their approach. For Palin it's any respect to the idea of conpromise and intellect being an asset. For Gingrich it's that values and compassion are still a main part of the American way of life. My gut says out of the three of the Pawlenty is probably the most pragmatic approach.

Posted by: mtcooley | June 12, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The CTO of a company I worked at a few years ago had in the same capacity at another company met both Gingrich and Trent Lott. He told me about it one day.

The topic of poverty came up at their conference. Lott reacted to it in a way that convinced my boss that he genuinely cared about the poor of Mississippi, that the rural poor of his state were never far from his thoughts or concerns.

Gingrich, on the other hand, giggled. He thought poverty was something to laugh at.

That completely changed my view of Lott, and when he retired I wrote him a few kind words, and while I was honest about where I stood on the left-right spectrum I told him, also honestly, that I thought he had been unfairly maligned for his remarks at Strom Thurmond's 100th birthday. You can imagine my delight when he responded to me personally, and I treasure his brief letter written in his own hand.

Gingrich on the other hand can have a nice coronary.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 12, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Since when does the left tell listeners to pick up a gun and go take out an ATF agent (shoot for the head, they have bulletpoof vests -- GG Liddy), or to kill a "queer," or calling the survivors of Katrina "cockroaches," or screaming about Latinos .. it's the right, always. How many liberals are on the news shooting up a schoolyard? When was the last time you heard about a leftist shooting up a synagogue or burning down a black church?

Bah. F*cking liars.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

I can remember watching the "Three Stooges" as a kid for entertainment. Here they are again. Which one is Curly?

Posted by: nightwolfjw | June 11, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

‘Suppose most voters in 2012 believe, with evidence, that eight years of an R Admin dug us into a hole, but four years of a D Admin showed no signs of trying to climb out. What choice remains?’

I grant the economy (incl deficit, trade balance etc) may not be healed by 2012. The question is what will be the mood of the electorate. Barring another disaster (natural or man-made) what else besides the economy will voters be looking at? Health care? Doubtful that even a good program could kick in enough by 2012 to make much difference. Immigration? People are already realizing that fences and border patrol are just feel-good measures. Secondary issues such as Gay rights (sorry guys) and education are not likely to be deal breakers. Pretty much it does boil down to the economy–how well the stimulus works, how well the bail-outs work, basically the old Reagan(?) question of “Are you better off now than you were four years ago?” The voters answer to that question will decide 2012.

In the case of another disaster all bets are off–it would depend entirely on how it is handled and how devastating the consequences.

Posted by: rawreid | June 11, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Gingrich will say what evers convenient and sounds intelligent. He is a right wing Neocon. His main interest is the destruction of organized labor and the poverty he can inject with the new corporate world order. Ask one of his wife's if he is an honest person. He will say and do what ever is convenient at any time. He can take credit for the inconsiderate attitude of the republican party. They are the next thing to communist. They refuse to cooperate and agree on anything. They got very little done during the past eight years and the record shows it. All of a sudden they are hard at work causing any problems and hold-ups they can. They agree and cooperate on nothing. Boobie trap anything they can and make every attempt to pass the blame for all the problems they have caused. 5 Trillion dollars in 8 years will take at least 20 years to be corrected. The real bad part is its going to cost big money just to get stated. Gingrich is partly to blame for this mess because he was involved in a republican think tank that advised Bush and Cheney on their policies.

Posted by: kimkimminni1 | June 11, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

The "Head", "Heart" and "Gut" of the GOP appeal to the GOP base in their own way, but what happens when they get out into the wide, wide, world of a Presidential run for office. All are tainted in their own way:

Head - smart but he has a long history behind him. Can you say Government Shut-Down?

Heart - attractive but otherwise an airhead. Colloquialisms can only get you to the dance, you've got to do more than some "fancy pageant walking".

Gut - no history, may be intelligent, but he has ZERO personality and he has Norm Coleman's Senate race hung around his neck.

Posted by: Roofelstoon | June 11, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party is a broken organization that has not analized the real cause of the fracture. First, it is seen as the Party that serves the interests of the wealthy and manipulates others into believing that theirs is the only correct way. This strategy worked in the past but alternatives have revealed themselves and people are more aware of the fact that the practice of democracy is more needed than the preaching of democracy. By their anti-obortion and anti-gay stances they seized the moral high ground and milked it for all that it is worth. In the meanwhile greed and corruption at the highest levels remained unchecked. However, the younger generation is becoming larger and more educated. They are not as easily manipulated as the older folks who are stuck in their ways. Democrats should be aware that the attitudes of some of their older office holders need to be more in tune with today's thinking. All people who deserve respect must given what they deserve.

Posted by: fasm7700 | June 11, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse


"Of course, you can't provide even ONE anti-Semitic quote from Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh"

LOL -- where to start?

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

mattadamsdietmanager1014:

Of course, you can't provide even ONE anti-Semitic quote from Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh. Let me know if you need the many, many anti-Semitic quotes from Jessie Jackson, Louis Farrakan and Rev. Wright.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

FoxNews, Hannity, The GOP, Bill Orielly, Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh are the cause of what happen yesturday in Washington DC at the Holocaust Museum and last week to Dr Tiller with all they're hate talk on TV. It's such a shame as a American to see this. No matter what, President Obama, the Jews, Judge Satomayor and many more are humans beings and God created us all.

Posted by: mattadamsdietmanager1014 | June 11, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Newt is the head of the GOP: he's smart enough to recognise the absolute vacancy of leadership there and step right in. Since the GOP has no one better known to take the spot, they'll let him stand there. That doesn't mean he has any new or valid ideas, and it doesn't make him electable.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 11, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

funny hypocrites. how can they say they are for fiscal responsibility and against pay as you go? All lies,all the itme.

And get this -- rove is trying to pretend that bush had no part in the current deficiit. Who would be stupid enough to beleive that? Even the reliably rightwing Greta doesn't buy it..

Uh, oh wait....


"Last night on Fox News, former top Bush adviser Karl Rove chastised President Obama for his economic recovery package Congress and passed last February and criticized him for his new proposal to enact “pay as you go” budgeting rules — paying for spending increases by either raising taxes or budget cuts.

“This is a cosmetic gesture. This guy is going to run up a $1.8 trillion deficit. That’s what it’s projected to be this year,” Rove complained. But when host Greta Van Susteren asked if the Bush administration is responsible for any of the deficit, Rove replied, “No.”:

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you take some responsibility, meaning you, the Bush eight years, for this…

ROVE: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: You take absolutely no responsibility? Because…

ROVE: No.

Rove’s denial is odd, not only because the Bush administration turned President Clinton’s budget surplus into massive deficits and left with nearly half a trillion dollars in the hole, but also because Bush presided over the largest debt increase of any U.S. president in history. But the timing of Rove’s denial is odd as well because the New York Times published yesterday the results of an examination of Congressional Budget Office reports going back almost a decade which found that Obama “is responsible for only a sliver of the deficits” and most of his adminstration’s contribution to the deficit is a result of continuing Bush policies:"

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

thinman: all the 19-percenters share the same views. So what. They're cretins.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I love JakeD's new found morality.

It's especially ironic considering the views you share with the white supremacist who attacked the Holocaust Museum yesterday, killing a security guard.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

vegasgirl1:

How about Missouri Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill? Should she "go to h*ll" too?

The Alaska Governor got some support today from McCaskill: "Letterman jokes about Palin's daughter. Way over the line. If it were my daughters I'd be furious. He should seriously apologize."

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

vegasgirl: please join the rest of us in ignoring zouk and Jake.

Responding to them in any way only keeps them around and, you will have to trust me on this one, ignoring them will in the long run be a LOT more entertaining. I know whereof I speak.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

JakeD and king of crap (zouk): Awwwwwww, you poor widdle babies, getting so riled up over little old me.
My little heart just *bleeds* for you both.
Maybe if either one of you ever had anything reasonable, fair-minded or rational to say for yourselves (other than, "conservatives good, liberals bad; Obama is a Marxist, Bush is great, blah, blah, blah") you might not earn so much scorn, from me and others here (including some of the more thoughtful and intelligent conservatives who post here).
And zouk (whatever your useless name is; I don't give a damn): You don't know my political leanings, period. I hardly defend everything the Dems do. You obviously don't read all my posts, so you don't have a damn clue.
And we wonder why the conservative movement is in so much trouble -- look no further than these two reliably mindless idealogues for proof.
Both of you can go to hell.

Posted by: vegasgirl1 | June 11, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

JakeD and king of crap (zouk): Awwwwwww, you poor widdle babies, getting so riled up over little old me.
My little heart just *bleeds* for you both.
Maybe if either one of you ever had anything reasonable, fair-minded or rational to say for yourselves (other than, "conservatives good, liberals bad; Obama is a Marxist, Bush is great, blah, blah, blah") you might not earn so much scorn, from me and others here (including some of the more thoughtful and intelligent conservatives who post here).
And zouk (whatever your useless name is; I don't give a damn): You don't know my political leanings, period. I hardly defend everything the Dems do. You obviously don't read all my posts, so you don't have a damn clue.
And we wonder why the conservative movement is in so much trouble -- look no further than these two reliably mindless idealogues for proof.
Both of you can go to hell.

Posted by: vegasgirl1 | June 11, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Does everyone here know that the Holocaust attacker, who killed a guard, and JakeD both have similar views on certain issues?

Posted by: thinman1

==

Honestly, who cares?

One of them is a flaming hate-crazed racist blogger, the other one is in critical condition in the hospital.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

It would be nice if so many comment-worthy newsbytes weren't crammed in under the 'Fix-Picks' sub-head. It's impossible to comment on them all.

As for the main story, although my feelings are cooler and decidedly less extreme than Observer44, your wonderful headline-in-search-of-a-set-of-(worthy) characters is a bit of a stretch, though. You've well delineated the differences in appeal. I completely agree with your dubbing Newt Gingrich the 'Brain'--he's all very brilliant theory, and extremely articulate. And, more's the pity, extremely visible--although I'm not complaining; his cogent arguments (from the GOP viewpoint) are a blessed relief from the bloated rants of the equally bloated 'El Rushbo' or the former vice-president, who is, if one listens closely, a one-trick pony, and a provenly unreliable one at that.

T-Paw is probably the one of the trio whom we might still be talking about in 8 or 10 years. His 'Gut' has some very appealing sides to it, and if he ever attained the power to be free of the GOP establishment (as currently constituted), he might be able to produce an appealing contrast to the party's current embodiment. I, however, might better dub him the 'Heart', even though it doesn't fit with your clever headline and premise.

As for the 'Heart'--if you are indeed correct--I think the GOP urgently needs a coronary bypass! OK, it's a cheap shot, but really, based on her appearances since Minneapolis, she is only a few cuts above Michelle Bachmann. I realise Americans don't care what European papers say about US leaders, but she is as much excoriated (or ridicule) across the Pond as in any left-wing US publication/blog/tweet.

Someone like Gingrich who, however much one might disagree with his views or personal weaknesses, is clearly extremely intelligent, or the late William F. Buckley who was not only far more brilliant and articulate than Newt, but could make Conservativism (as opposed to Republicanism--they are NOT the same) palatable, but SARAH PALIN???

She's visually attractive, yes, but in an increasingly more complicated world, one needs INTELLECTS, not merely visually pleasing, intellectually-challenged individuals as party leaders. Fine, let the GOP use her as a funds-raiser, but for the sake of the party's future, keep her out of the spotlight.

What do two out of three of the subjects of your article have in common? They are extremely polarising. That's not a formula calculated to 'grow' (detest use of 'grow' as a transitive verb, but why swim against the current?) the Republican party--something it sorely needs if it's to win some elections.

Posted by: sverigegrabb | June 11, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Does everyone here know that the Holocaust attacker, who killed a guard, and JakeD both have similar views on certain issues?

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk:

Don't get me started on "vegasgirl"!!!

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Consecutive posts from king_of_zouk:


2:42 pm
I don't blame you. this blog is traditionally based on reason, facts and logic. how could you possibly participate properly? stick with drivl, throwing insults and spreading hate.

2:50 pm
what did you expect - intelligence from a moonbat?

Looks like you're doing the insulting, zouk. But then again, Hypocisy and Republican are practically synonymous.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD-In the second paragraph, there is a link to Newt's Speech.

It might be more than you can absorb;

BUT;

what you asked for is right there! ;~)

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 11, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

she accuses me of being a "white supremist"

what did you expect - intelligence from a moonbat?

she declares the site unliveable, (as a result of her own habitation) then when confronted with facts and reason, flees. The site immediately becomes charming and wonderful again.

She only sees the negative side because when she is here, that is all there is. Same with chrissuxit, vegasgirl and nodebris. they are the most mindless of Libs. incapable of independent thought, relhying heavily on huff and Kos to steer their opinions toward hate and envy. aka modern liberalism.

Never mind the failed policies, the constant bait and switch, the palpable lies, the squimish foreign policy, the goofy congress, the spending on nothing.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see nobody responds to zouk. Halfway there.

Posted by: chrisux8

Except you just did. more lib cognitive dissonance.

I don't blame you. this blog is traditionally based on reason, facts and logic. how could you possibly participate properly? stick with drivl, throwing insults and spreading hate.

and watch Letterman tonight. I am sure he is your hero. another tasteless, classless Lib fool.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Newt Gingrich is a phony, hypocritical, morally bankrupt pompous ass. That anyone takes this adulterous, unethical POS is pathetic, indeed.
But let him win the GOP nom in '12. It will be a 50-state landslide: For Barack Obama.

Posted by: vegasgirl1 | June 11, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Last night David Letterman tried to clear up his tasteless joke about Sarah Palin's daughter being impregnated by Alex Rodriguez. In a bizarre defense of his comments, Letterman suggests that his jokes were above board because they were in reference to Palin's 18 year old daughter Bristol (who recently had a baby) rather than her 14 year old daughter Willow, the one who actually attended the Yankees game with her mother

drivl's kind of humor. tasteless and classless.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see nobody responds to zouk. Halfway there.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

It's a conversation, Barney, not a soliloquy . . . Discussing the regulation of executive pay with CNBC's Mark Haines today, the testy liberal Dem from Massachusetts was affronted when Haines tried to get in a word edgewise.Before long, Barney announced that the interview was over, and ripped off his earpiece. Unruffled, Haines got off a good last line: "Fine, goodbye sir. We'll manage without you."

that time of the month???

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

king_of_zouk:

On the latest thread, she accuses me of being a "white supremist" even though she knows that I voted for an AFRICAN-AMERICAN for President of the United States.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

If you put it that way, I feel bad for the GOP their heart is diseased, their head is ignorant and their gut is starved.

Posted by: havok26 | June 11, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

other half of drivl's argument (if you can call it that):
Repubs don't especially like any particular race, class, creed, etc. Everyone is equal. If you don't like (red, green, blue, brown, purple, pick one) people best, you are sub-human. and if you support murdering pre-born humans, you can say or do anything, one free grope, no intellect required, the AA approach.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

drivl's argument. Repubs actually leave their wives after cheating on them, not like Libs.

Uh huh.

Policy or logic would kill the poor beast.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"Newt? Sure he can contribute ideas and raise money, but running for President? Can he even get by the conservative base with his leaving the second wife while she is in cancer treatment for a teenage staffer"

They don't care about 'morals' anymore. You just have to really, really hate democrats and blacks and gays and anyone that's not a white male and you get a pass for everythng else.

They didn't blink about mcCain leaving his middleaged crippled wife for a rich young thing, after all.

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I understand why Palin is in the Republican running. Intellectually I don't understand, but obviously she has appeal to a lot of people.

Newt? Sure he can contribute ideas and raise money, but running for President? Can he even get by the conservative base with his leaving the second wife while she is in cancer treatment for a teenage staffer? Karl Rove calculated that W's DUI cost him four million evangelical votes in the 2000 general election (votes that sat at home.) What would Newt's personal life cost him, support wise, in a general election?

TPaw? I can see TPaw as a VP. But with no money and average charisma I can't see him winning even in Iowa. He has no achievements of note in MN. Though he did campaign against road spending just before the I35 bridge collapsed. As governor of a state where milk is sold in the spice aisle of the grocery store he never managed to capture 50% of the vote. Why would it be different on a national stage?

Posted by: caribis | June 11, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"I listen to Newt Gingrich. Nobody, with the exeption of maybe Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin, can state the Republican goal, agenda, and future better than Newt, and that's why the left-wing Obama Marxists hate him."

Ok, I'll bite. What does Gingrich present as the goal, agenda, and future of the Republican party?

Posted by: DDAWD | June 11, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Chris, you got these mixed up and left a couple out.

Palin - legs
Newt - a gut
Pawlenty - might as well say bobby jindel

It's a three head medusa creature, all attached to the same sloven old body that's terribly out of shape...

Posted by: ScottChallenger | June 11, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Facts are most unfortunate for most Libs. Drivl prefers to revel in insult and hate. Any fact is to be ignored.

how would it exist if it actually had to justify a position or advance an argument?

no wonder it is so distempered.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I see this thread has fallen into a sewage pit.

Posted by: drivl

so glad we could accomodate your wishes. you must feel at home now.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I see this thread has fallen into a sewage pit.

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

The ethics committee is investigating an alleged quid pro quo between Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) and an oil company executive, the subject of a lengthy New York Times article published in December. Eugene Isenberg, the oil executive accused of trying to influence Rangel through a $1,000,000 donation to the education center bearing his name,

Just another crooked Lib lawmaker.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Dem mutiny on climate bill grows, says Peterson
People must actually be reading the fine print

Another in the long line of Obimbo failures.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Is every Republican a "racist"?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

the hate monger drivl rails against hate.

the epitome of cognitive dissonance.

We must hope Obama sticks it out. consider babbling Biden or Ninny Peloony taking over. From disaster to catastrophe.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I listen to Newt Gingrich. Nobody, with the exeption of maybe Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin, can state the Republican goal, agenda, and future better than Newt, and that's why the left-wing Obama Marxists hate him. While the Fix describes Palin, Gingrich and Pawlenty as the supposed Head, Heart, and Gut of the GOP, the Head, Heart, and Gut of the Democrap Socialist Party is Barack Obama. Barack Obama is--as we have now all seen--nothing more than a facist, whose political goal is the old Communist Robin Hood form of government to redistribute all wealth--a la the former USSR, North Korea, and Cuba. Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, and Tim Pawlenty on the other hand, are Americans who believe in our Constitution, Bill of Rights, our Representative Republic, and our Capitalist system (that made us the greatest and richest country in the history of the earth), which Barack Obama is trying to destroy.

Posted by: armpeg | June 11, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8, and others who want to know just how bad it is going to get for the Democrat Socialists;

freestrongamerica.com

and:

The National Council for a New America!

The Future!

Live it, Learn It, and yeah! I LOVE IT! ;~)

Posted by: SAINT---The | June 11, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON – American households lost $1.33 trillion of their wealth in the first three months of the year as the recession took a bite out of stock portfolios and dragged down home prices.

Call it the Obama effect.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | June 11, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

here's an email i got from Newsmax, the largest rightwing news site:


"It is no coincidence that we are witnessing this level of hatred toward Jews as President Barack Obama positions America against the Jewish state. "

Ginning up more hate against obama and democrats, inciting more violence. It gets old. How manhy will die before someone stops them? Will Obama make it through his first term?

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Isn't this particular 'triptych' fairly representative of the very lot that just ran us all (country and party) into the ground during the last few years?

Palin is the HEART? Please! She's an ignorant, Bible-thumping (as distinguished from "Bible-reading") absolutist hypocrite... she speaks of evolution as though it is some kind of Commie plot, and can't answer a question as simple as "What newspapers or magazines do you read?" without embarassing herself.

The heart of the Republican Party WAS once defined by ideals, such as limited government, rule of law, personal liberty and personal responsibility, the dignity of every person. The last 8 years of so-called Republican "leadership" (with the full approval, if not adulation, of these three) have made a mockery of nearly every important concept the GOP once stood for... aggressive war as a political policy option, torture, indefinite detention, secrecy, abrogation of treaty obligations, spying on Americans without warrant, running up the government credit card to unprecedented levels... the whole "Department of Homeland Security" fraud and farce.

The best candidate in the GOP field last election was Ron Paul. He was as flawed a messenger as most of the rest, but at least his message was principled and consistent. However, despite a groundswell of grass-roots support for Paul, the GOP leading lights did their level best to marginalize him (and they did so), in favor of so-called "mainstream" candidates who, for the most part, continued to trumpet the Bush policy line.

So how did that work out, anyway?

Posted by: Observer44 | June 11, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm with bsimon1 and Mark in Austin: Pawlenty is not well thought of at home or he would be running for governor again. He has accomplished nothing for his state while Governor. He decided he'd rather let his state go without a second senator rather than go on the record when he could have I feel like Fix is giving Pawlenty an awful lot of credibility that he hasn't earned. Mostly Pawlenty's working that 'any man is an expert when he's 50 miles from home' line.

I know a blogger always has to appear savy in hindsight, so I guess Fix thinks Pawlenty will be a viable candidate 2 or 3 years from now. Pawlenty *will* be if he gets enough bloggers and columnists to mention his name with authority often enough.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 11, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

If that is the heart, head and gut of the GOP body, the Frankenstein monster had it better...

Posted by: LABC | June 11, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

It is standard practice that attorney fees are held in abeyance until appeals are completed. This ruling just proves how very biased this trial court, which was selected by Page who is presiding over the Supreme Court case, is.

We Minnesotans are just surprised that the three (3) judge panel has not downed "illegal Al" buttons and marched in the street, on his behalf, as they have about done just about everything else conceivable, in his behalf, including counting Phantom ballots which is a violation of the 2008 Minnesota election law, while equating 4,900 legitimate Minnesota voters' ballots to felon scum ballots.

Posted by: kwoods2 | June 11, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Cillizza seems to be losing it completely. Gingrich a "thinker?" Palin represents "heart?" If you mean that Palin is even more stupid than Gingrich I can go along with that, but nothing in this entire column makes any sense.

Except there is one way this article makes sense. Look at the whole thing as Cillizza's attempt to kiss some serious GOP hiney and wheedle himself a into job at some right wing "think-tank" (i.e. echo chamber).

Watch it happen.

Posted by: bigbrother1 | June 11, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

You forgot to mention that the failed GOP only represents 20% of America anymore.

Why are you writing about the irrelevant?

Posted by: onestring | June 11, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"The triptych of appearances illustrated the three parts of the GOP 'body' politic: the heart (Palin), the head (Gingrich) and the gut (Pawlenty)."

Ohhhh, let me savor the moment! Bwaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa.... BURN!!!! Black heart, empty head, and IBS! Obama will need the extra four years to really clean house, so I suppose a thank-you note is in order...

Posted by: mobedda | June 11, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

GOP Head: empty

GOP Heart: puny

GOP Gut: Big and fat

GOP Guts: Non-existent

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | June 11, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

No one is as consistent a poster of factual material as bsimon1. Others may be as persuasive, or interesting, or rational, but no one posts better links, on point. He never resorts to the "blogosphere", either liberal or conservative.

For a year now he has posted from MN a set of links from sources in MN that make out TP as a do-nothing-on-purpose governor who cannot work with his Lege and never follows through. I get lazy and incompetent from the collection of close-to-home links. Rick Perry without the hair, perhaps.

Has TP ever done anything to stand up for the little guy, or to stand up? I do not usually provide harsh criticism here, but the links that bsimon has provided, admittedly coupled with the other remarks of various Minnesotans who post here, have left me doubting your perspective, CC, which I usually think of as "informed".

Posted by: mark_in_austin | June 11, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Callista, Gingrich's 3rd wife, is a catholic. She was a singer in the church choir while having an affair with the married Newt.

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Chris:

Although some have taken issue with your "head (Gingrich), heart (Palin), and gut (Pawlenty)" analogy, I will leave it to others to quibble about the details. What concerns me is that, the cleverness of your analogy notwithstanding, the problem remains that we elect a single person to fill each office. No triumvirates for us, thanks, so we must elect a person who can meet a significant standard in all three areas simultaneously.

And that brings us to the real problem for the GOP in regard to Gov. Palin, should Republicans as a party have the wisdom to perceive it and the maturity to admit it (some, of course, already have): she may be a "heart" who motivates the base, but her conspicuous lack of credentials as a "head" is a deal-breaker for all but the most ideologically-inflamed partisans. And it's not as if my observations are tainted by me being a centrist Democrat; these concerns have been raised widely in Republican quarters ever since Palin appeared on the national scene.

[Aside: when I made similar observations in a comment in response to Kathleen Parker's piece on Palin yesterday, I was accused of leveling a vicious personal attack on Palin. No matter that I was talking not about her character or her personal history or her family, or any of the other classical _ad hominem_ targets for attack, but instead was echoing REPUBLICANS who expressed concern regarding her qualifications. In fact, I argued that disrespectful and snarky comments about Palin were inappropriate . . . so much for attempting rational discourse with persons on the fringe!]

Of course, maybe someone not nearly meeting the qualifications for being a "head" WON'T be a deal-breaker for a majority of our voters. Now THAT'S pretty scary . . .

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | June 11, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"A Baptist since graduate school, Gingrich converted to Catholicism, his wife's faith, on March 29, 2009"

Which wife?

Posted by: mcordray | June 11, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

"Pawlenty's positioning is not fundamentally ideological; it's about standing up for the little guy..."

Yeah, he stood up for little guys this spring by vetoing healthcare funding for some of the poorest and most vulnerable Minnesotans. We'll see how the little guys fare when he unilaterally "unallots" 2.7B from the state budget so he can honor his "no new tax" pledge. He'll be leaving office just as the full implications of those unallotments hit.

Posted by: pdech | June 11, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

nodebris: let's all agree to stop feeding this troll

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

With the GOP trying to discredit good policies coming from Obama as Socialism, to an electorate that mostly didn't live through the Cold War and doesn't twitch at the word, Socialism is growing in esteem.

Maybe it's about time we started educating Americans just how much of the good life comes from Socialist influences in the 30s. Like the workday, the weekend, safe workplaces. Then we can work on getting some real Socialist considerations in our politics, unapologetically, out in the open.

Worth reading: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/11/opinion/11kristof.html?em

"Diane Tucker, 59, is an American lawyer who moved to Vancouver, Canada, in 2006. Like everyone else there, she now pays the equivalent of just $49 a month for health care.

Then one day two years ago, Ms. Tucker was working on her office computer when she noticed that she was having trouble typing with her right hand.

“I realized my hand was numb, so I tried to stand up to shake it out,” she remembered. “But I had trouble standing.”

A colleague called 911, and an ambulance rushed her to the nearest hospital.

“An emergency room doctor met me at the door, and they took me straight upstairs to the CT scan,” she recalled. A neurologist explained that she had suffered a stroke.

...

Then again, the price was right. “They never spoke to me about money,” she said. “Not when I checked in, and not when I left."

...

"Then, last year, Ms. Tucker fainted while on a visit to San Francisco, and an ambulance rushed her to the nearest hospital. But this was in the United States, so the person meeting her at the emergency room door wasn’t a doctor.

“The first person I saw was a lady with a computer,” she said, “asking me how I intended to pay the bill.” Ms. Tucker did, in fact, have insurance, but she was told she would have to pay herself and seek reimbursement.

Nothing was seriously wrong, and the hospital discharged her after five hours. The bill came to $8,789.29."

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"Isn't Dukakis dead?"

No, but the comparison would be even more apt were it so.

Posted by: nodebris | June 11, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Palin, the Newt, and Pawlenty are only the heart, head, and guts of about 25% of the voters, so who gets to be the eventual leader is still immaterial.

SHOULD some centrist moderate rise up in the Republican Party and not get gunned down by the rabid right, and should he survive Republican negativity, said centrist would still be at a disadvantage, because the best he could be is a Wendel Wilkie, a sort of FDR but just a Republican.

The GOP needs a complete rebuild, and it will be cheaper to simply buy a new party.

Any of you reluctant Republicans interested in an American Center Socialist Party?

Posted by: ceflynline | June 11, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

By the way, Pawlenty is the world's nicest guy - genuinely. But he ain't no populist.

==

Populist just means he drops his G's

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

They're all thinking of Reagan. Even these Scheiße-für-brains know better than to talk about Bush.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"Isn't Dukakis dead?"

You're thinking of Reagan.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 11, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Ah me. When you live in flyover land you have to get used to this sort of stuff.
Chris when you say Minnesota is "a state not particularly inclined to support Republicans in statewide elections." Minnesota has had 37 governors - 13 Democrats in one form or the other. A democrat has not been governor since 1991.
Senators - do the names Coleman, Durenberger, Boschwitz or Gramns mean nothing to you.
The DFL (as a Jersey City Democrat I would call the DFL possibly the most incompotent political machine in the world) struggles mightily to win statewide but it barely hits 50%). On teh other hand, when you run a bar owner or the next hack in line for statewide office every two years, maybe you get what you deserve.
Come out and visit sometime, Chris.
By the way, Pawlenty is the world's nicest guy - genuinely. But he ain't no populist. He's a suburban guy from the most white bread of suburbs.

Posted by: djah | June 11, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Gingrich as the ideas man.

Lest we forget, this is the party that regards George Will, not David Brooks, as their leading "intellectual" voice.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Isn't Dukakis dead?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

They have no brains, no heart, and no courage.

==

But they have a lot of ambition.

Romney wants to be president for some reason. Pawlenty wants to be president for some reason. Gingrich wants to be president for some reason. Palin wants to be president for some reason.

None of them have any apparent notion of what they would want to achieve, other than in Palin's case where her ambition has something to do with "shaking things up." Uh, yeah, and it sounds like that shakeup would involve using nuclear weapons, she certainly has no sense of proportion or balance to restrain her. She's an unhinged religious nut who believes in the End Times and would probably bring them on.

The others? Some nonsense about "economics," the pseudoscience that serves as flypaper for conservative kooks.

Obama has his work cut out for him, cleaning up the messes left by the frat party of the previous eight years, sort of a janitor presidency.

The GOP just wants the job, not the responsibility. And as with 41, the Vision Thing remains elusive. At least Sisters of Mercy did a good song with the words ...

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

It's actually rather funny that a failed, superannuated has-been like Gingrich has once again become "the brains" of the GOP. This has happened by default, really. After eight years of driving everyone with brains out of the party, this is all they can fall back on. And I do mean "fall back."

This is rather like Democrats getting excited by the fresh and exhilarating voice of Michael Dukakis.

Posted by: nodebris | June 11, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The Fix is getting comical. All these truly laughable attempts to paint the republican party today as something credible, anything other than the extremist cult it's become, it's just silly.

They have no brains, no heart, and no courage.

Where are Dorothy and Toto when you need them?

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Holocaust Museum Shooting: Emboldened By a Federally-Enabled American Gestapo?

THIS MORNING, OFFICIALS BEHIND A COVERT 'MULTI-AGENCY COORDINATED ACTION PROGRAM' MAY HAVE BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS.

WHY WON'T THE FBI OPEN A CIVIL RIGHTS PROBE INTO GOVERNMENT-ENABLED VIGILANTISM AIMED AT JEWS, 'DISSIDENTS' AND MINORITIES?


This writer has been stalked and harassed and persecuted in multiple states by organized vigilantes, some of whom have menacingly uttered to my face the phrase, "Jesus Christ is the way." That's just the tip of the iceberg, as readers of WaPo political blogs may know.

Yet the FBI refuses to open a civil rights investigation -- a probe that I have requested in repeated personal visits to FBI's Philadelphia office over the past two years. Nor will local authorities open a formal investigation.

Vigilante neo-Nazis are stalking, harassing and torturing unjustly "targeted" Americans -- in Bucks County, PA, in Maryland, in D.C. and its suburbs -- and in communities across America.

They think they are above the law. Could that be because certain powerful, secretive federal agencies knowingly countenance vigilantism in America -- and refuse to investigate credible complaints of harassment, physical abuse and worse that appears to be in part ethnically-based?

What is the role of a secretive federal "multi-agency coordinated action program" in fueling this hate machine?

Prsident Obama, Vice President Biden, Attorney General Holder and Homeland Security Secretary Napolitano:

Summon the following officials to the Oval for a thorough grilling about policies and programs involving

• Extrajudicial targeting and punishment, including organized citizen community "stalking," harassment and financial exploitation of unjustly targeted individuals and their families;

• Covert implanting of GPS tracking devices on innocent but "targeted" citizens by persons affiliated with law enforcement agencies or citizen volunteer programs;

• Covert use of microwave radiation "directed energy weapons" on American citizens and their families.

Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan; FEMA Director Craig Fugate; FBI Director Robert Mueller; Defense Secretary Robert Gates; (outgoing) NSA Director Lt. Gen. Keith Alexander; Lt. Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, former Army JSOC commander; CIA Deputy Director Steve Kappas; (outgoing) DARPA Director Tony Tether; IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman; former IRS commissioner Mark Everson.


READ ABOUT "GESTAPO USA" HERE:

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR if link is corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | June 11, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

It gets annoying hearing all this nonsense about the GOP and ideas, especially about Gingrich. He was an up-and-coming "Young Turk" in the days of conservatism's ascendency back in the 80s; now he's another fat fool reciting the exact same stale "small government" and "tax cut" nonsense that comprised Reagan's snappy one-liners. He has no new ideas. Nobody in the GOP has a noteworthy idea, just the same visceral appeals to people who resent paying taxes for "people on welfare."

And the right's unending fascination with violence and guns as national panaceas isn't advancing their parade of failed "ideas" either.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"Gingrich is clearly one of the leading thinkers within the Republican Party, a man deeply versed in political theory, history and any number of other areas. Gingrich's learning was on display ... effortlessly weaved references to Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas into his patter."

When Americans say deeply versed in history, they mean deeply versed in US history. And US history, as taught in America, is a children's story of "how we became the Greatest Country on Earth(TM)".

In other words, it's almost useless knowledge. I expect Gingrich's awareness of world history, like most Republicans, extends to calling anyone who disagrees with him Neville Chamberlain.

Posted by: kevrobb | June 11, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

bh150243:

Hopefully, enough INDEPENDENTS realize that before it's too late.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Inflation will be the solution of last recourse, if political will is absent.

Since people are tossing about hypotheticals, would should consider the possibility that the public is quite dissatisfied with the economy in 2012, but Republicans are unable to capitalize on it.

Given the Fix's GOP leadership roundups of the last several days (Gingrich the brain? Palin the heart? Limbaugh the voice?), I'd say that's hardly a remote possibility.

Posted by: nodebris | June 11, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"Pawlenty's positioning is not fundamentally ideological; it's about standing up for the little guy and ignoring traditional party labels to get things done."

Hey CC - doesn't it leave a bad taste in your mouth to keep licking republican boots?

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

More on Pawlenty's so-called ability to 'get it done,' this time a hiring freeze that never quite froze:

"State workforce grows despite hiring freeze"

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/05/13/hiring_freeze/

"The number of people on the state's payroll has grown even though thousands of government employees have retired since Gov. Tim Pawlenty ordered a hiring freeze at state agencies.

Pawlenty issued the executive directive on February 19, 2008, which directed state agency commissioners and board executive directors to implement hiring restrictions. During his radio show that week, Pawlenty and his director of Communications, Brian McClung, said the order would help the state prepare for a bad budget situation. ...

Pawlenty's order said "positions that become vacant from now until this directive is rescinded should be left unfilled in every possible case."

But a Minnesota Public Radio News analysis of state hiring data found there have been nearly 5,100 hires between Pawlenty's announcement and April 21 of this year. During the same time period, 4,827 positions were vacated."


Tim Pawlenty: all talk, no action.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 11, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Here's Newt:

"REP. GINGRICH: Let me just say, I think people should be afraid. I think the lesson of 1993, the first time they bombed the World Trade Center, was fear is probably appropriate. I think the lesson of Khobar Towers, where American servicemen were killed in Saudi Arabia, was fear is probably appropriate. I think the lesson of the two embassy bombings in east Africa was fear is probably appropriate. I think the lesson of the Cole being bombed in Yemen was fear is probably appropriate. I'll tell you, if you aren't a little bit afraid after 9/11 and 3,100 Americans killed inside the United States by an effort, if you weren't worried about the second-wave attack that was designed to take out the biggest building in Los Angeles, I think that, that you are out of touch with reality."

Trying to scare people, trying to get them all riled up against Obama--he's endangering your children because he won't torture people!

This is not a head, this is an arse.

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"I am an independent and I like all 3."

==

We already have two "I'm a registered independent" trolls here, but the "I used to be a Democrat" troll slot is still open. Maybe you could fill that one.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I guess we're just not going to question the whole Gingrich as idea man thing. If it was true 15 years ago, it must be true today, right?

Posted by: DDAWD | June 11, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

The Fix writes
"Pawlenty's positioning is not fundamentally ideological; it's about standing up for the little guy and ignoring traditional party labels to get things done."

Another error in the Fix's description of Pawlenty: he doesn't actually get anything done. For instance, today's paper has a story about a program Pawlenty ordered state agencies to use, to verify potential employees' immigration status:

"E-Verify system only loosely enforced in Minnesota
No state agency - not even the governor's office - is electronically verifying immigration status in hiring."

http://www.startribune.com/local/47521292.html

"Eighteen months after Gov. Tim Pawlenty ordered state agencies and contractors to more aggressively verify workers' immigration status, a state audit has found that the governor's own office has yet to implement the program."

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 11, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Republicans should have no trouble in the next election!

Posted by: bh150243

==

time to wake up ... time to wake up ...

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

You left out a representative body part: THE ASS.

Who would fit into that category? How about Rush Limbaugh, Richard (a.k.a. "Dick") Cheney, or Bobby Jindal for starters?

Posted by: shapiromarilyn | June 11, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"More important to the next presidential, I think we've seen a sea change in American's manipulability. "

This is something I'd have to see over a long period of time before I'd ever start to even consider true.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 11, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I am an independent and I like all 3.

Obama has been a big disappointment. He SOUNDS good (reading from his Teleprompter) but he's an empty suit--shallow and dishonest, too.

Republicans should have no trouble in the next election!

Posted by: bh150243 | June 11, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

While Obama is currently the "head" of the Democratic Party, I'd argue the "heart" is DU.org.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

msealock writes
"I'm from Minnesota and am very suspect as to how he ever got elected and RE-ELECTED."

I'll give you two reasons:
Roger Moe and Mike Hatch

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 11, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

There's nothing wrong with Gov. Palin as the "heart" of the GOP.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Head?
Heart?
Guts?
They're republicans!
That's means they're all spincters!

Posted by: Tomcat3 | June 11, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

How in the world can anyone support Phewlenty...I'm from Minnesota and am very suspect as to how he ever got elected and RE-ELECTED. He is the absolute pits as a governor. Every single thing he has done since taking office is for the benefit of the mega rich and big business. He wants to cut every thing pertaining to services to schools, seniors, middle class. We had enough of this with the Bush administration who in the heck wants it to start all over again.

There is not one republican out there who has the interest of the American people in their actions. When they start to change to appeal to the real heart of America then they might get 'THEIR GROOVE BACK'.

Posted by: msealock | June 11, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I see that opp88 got the "point".

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Lets bring Grandpa Bush back for one more term, he's still jumping out of airplanes, so he must be still up for the job. His son Jeb, could be VP. Long Live the Bush Dynasty.

Posted by: vbhoomes | June 11, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

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I'd like to see all of them jump from a plane. I'd even volunteer to pack their 'chutes.

Of course, I'd REALLY get a boot out of W jumping from the 110th floor of a burning building, holding his mother's hand. That way BOTH of them could somewhat apologize for the evil that they brought to this country.

Posted by: dennissuper | June 11, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

A Baptist since graduate school, Gingrich converted to Catholicism, his wife's faith, on March 29, 2009
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AS YOU CAN SEE... NEWT IS A PRETTY INJURED PUPPY EMOTIONALLY AND HOW WILL HIS HEART TAKE THE STRESS OF LEADERSHIP? DUDE SEEMS TO BE OVERWEIGHT, HEART CAN POP AT ANY MOMENT.

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I like Larry Kudlow..Michael Bloomberg..not sure about Rudy or Mitt..

It will be interesting to see how the mid-terms go..for the GOP.. my feeling is that Obama is a stand-alone candidate.. not really someone with long coattails.. if I am wrong, then it won't matter so much who the GOP sends in to meet the Lions...

I believe that when the media details the leanings of the candidates, they overwhelm the average voter.. the avg. voter likes money in their pocket and as little hype as possible.. whatever is translating into peoples' daily lives is the key.. many of us amateurs just want as little controversy as possible and want a decent standard of living.. we are all afraid of having our cash diluted by inflation, taxes and slow economies..

I always believed in Jim Carville, he knew that the economy was the key.. Axelrod understands that the key issues can pivot in the middle of an election (war/economy).. my belief is that the economic impact on individuals will sway the next election.. and whoever is holding the hot potato may lose votes (whether they heated the potato or just caught it in mid-air)...

Posted by: newbeeboy | June 11, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

In 1981, six months after his divorce was final, Gingrich wed Marianne Ginther.

He remained married to Ginther until 2000, when they divorced.

Shortly thereafter, Gingrich married Callista Bisek, with whom he was conducting an extra-marital affair at approximately the same time he was leading the Congressional investigation into allegations that Bill Clinton lied under oath about his affair with Monica Lewinsky.

Newt and Callista Gingrich currently live in McLean, Virginia.

A Baptist since graduate school, Gingrich converted to Catholicism, his wife's faith, on March 29, 2009

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Later, Jackie Battley Gingrich went to court for adequate support, before the divorce decree.

In his financial statement Gingrich reported providing $400 per month, plus $40 in allowances for his daughters.

Gringrich claimed to be unable to afford more, but the same financial statement lists his expenditures for his food/dry cleaning etc. (one person) as $400

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

While recovering from another uterine surgery in the hospital, according to his friend Lee Howell,

“"Newt came up there with his yellow legal pad, and he had a list of things on how the divorce was going to be handled.

He wanted her to sign it.

She was still recovering from surgery, still sort of out of it, and he comes in with a yellow sheet of paper, handwritten, and wants her to sign it.”

According to Howell, friends in her church had to raise money for the separated wife of the congressman and her daughters.

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Palin / No
Newt / No
T-Paw / NoDoze

Posted by: newbeeboy | June 11, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

mark_in_austin writes
"I ask you ... how in he!! we can fix this when both parties seem bound and determined NOT to. I realize that catching some lucky breaks would help, of course, but I am not counting on that which cannot be predicted."


Juan Williams on NPR this AM noted, perhaps facetiously, that inflation would be one way out. While true, I don't expect anyone to lobby for that solution.

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Posted by: bsimon1 | June 11, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Jackie Battley Gingrich had two daughters with Newt Gingrich; supported him through graduate school and two unsuccessful congressional campaigns.

She had undergone uterine cancer surgery during the successful 1978 campaign, which Gingrich was not averse to mentioning in his speeches.

Eighteen months later, they separated.

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I feel the need to side with drindl on one point.

Chris C, please stop playing up Sarah Palin as a serious contender for anything political. She's a bimbo and a celebrity, governor of a state consisting mostly a trailer trash numbering in the thousands. She has no brain, she makes no sense, she doesn't read and can't think or reason. It is irresponsible journalism to see no difference between her popularity among oppositionally belligerent Republicans and actual eligibility for high public office.

Quit it.

Let her get coverage in the supermarket checkout press, not in Washington Post and not in The Fix.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Gingrich has been married three times.


He married Jackie Battley, his former high school geometry teacher, when he was 19 years old (she was seven years his senior at 26 years old). They had two daughters and divorced in 1981.

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

The Fix writes
"Pawlenty's positioning is not fundamentally ideological; it's about standing up for the little guy and ignoring traditional party labels to get things done."


Chris, you are misinformed. Gov Pawlenty's positioning at press conferences is about 'sam's club republicans', but when it comes to governing, he's about as partisan as they come.


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Posted by: bsimon1 | June 11, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Mark_In_Austin: Not meaning to be flip here but I really have no belief in economic determinism. I think the economy will improve if people believe it will and won't improve if they don't believe.

More important to the next presidential, I think we've seen a sea change in American's manipulability. People are still remembering who got us into this mess and despite seven months now of messaging from the GOP and its lying supporters the revision that the economy went south under Obama is not taking root. The reality-based community has triumphed over the spinners and liars.

It'd be better if in four years we were out of the hole the GOP got us into, but Obama has been clear that it's not going to be easy, we've had 30 years of anti-tax messages and we still have an opposition party that would rather see the nation fail than see a Democrat succeed. None of this is lost on the electorate, and I think that in 11/2012 their memories will still be intact.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Newt calling the shots on immigration, Newt can't even control the women in his life...


Gingrich has been married three times.

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Gingrich also supports the idea of allowing some of these guest workers to become citizens.

Newt, "Along with total border control, we must make it easier for people who enter the United States legally, to work for a set period of time, obey the law, and return home.

The requirements for participation in a worker visa program should be tough and uncompromising.

The first is essential: Everyone currently working in the United States illegal must return to their home country to apply for the worker visa program.

Anything less than requiring those who are here illegally to return home to apply for legal status is amnesty, plain and simple."

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Lets bring Grandpa Bush back for one more term, he's still jumping out of airplanes, so he must be still up for the job. His son Jeb, could be VP. Long Live the Bush Dynasty. Posted by: vbhoomes
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only if we can put momma Bush back on the dollar bill...

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

The trouble is the Republican party hasn't acknowledged that after 30 years of Regan's less government regulations and 8 years of Bush's presidency the country was a mess. They started an expensive unnecessary war, and led the country to financial ruin. All the conservative principals they cling to failed. They failed. Why should any one trust the people who made such a mess and haven't acknowledged it, to come back with the same 'conservative principals'. They screwed up. Tell us how they won't screw up next time.

Posted by: askdrphoto | June 11, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

You have personified the head, heart and gut of the GOP Chris. But, you left out the anus--Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: jaxas | June 11, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

It is too early to be having this discussion.

Vbhoomes and chrisfox8, it is too early for my following hypothetical, too. But bear with me.

Suppose most voters in 2012 believe, with evidence, that eight years of an R Admin dug us into a hole, but four years of a D Admin showed no signs of trying to climb out. What choice remains?

If the Prez gets pay-go, it will be over a screaming Congress [that today wants to unwind the Chrysler bkcy to save the dealers in their home CDs, as just one example of its unwieldiness]. If he tries to raise revenue, they will thwart him as they did on the cap-and-trade revenue.

Our currency is no longer automatically the world's reserve and until now that has "covered" our various fiscal irresponsibilities. I ask you two particularly, as partisans who care about these issues, to tell me how in he!! we can fix this when both parties seem bound and determined NOT to. I realize that catching some lucky breaks would help, of course, but I am not counting on that which cannot be predicted.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | June 11, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Illegal immigration
From Gingrich's five challenges: "No serious nation in the age of terror can afford to have wide-open borders with millions of illegal aliens crossing at will."

Although a source of friction in the conservative wing of the GOP (and some[who?] pro-union Blue Dog Democrats), Gingrich supports a "guest worker program" for foreign workers, meaning that an undetermined number of foreign workers would be allowed to come to the United States and work for a period of time, then return to their home country. Gingrich also supports the idea of allowing some of these guest workers to become citizens. In his book Winning the Future, he says:

"Along with total border control, we must make it easier for people who enter the United States legally, to work for a set period of time, obey the law, and return home. The requirements for participation in a worker visa program should be tough and uncompromising. The first is essential: Everyone currently working in the United States illegal must return to their home country to apply for the worker visa program. Anything less than requiring those who are here illegally to return home to apply for legal status is amnesty, plain and simple."

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

johnlondauer:

You think that Gov. Palin is running Alaska via "fortune cookie"?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Palin: the fortune cookie.

Gingerich: the overcooked dough boy.

Pawlenty: uhh...?

the republicans forgot that they actually stand for something when they forgot what it was. what was it again? smaller government? fiscal responsibility? strong defense? Liberty?

okay. sounds good. but...

Department of Homeland Security? an entirely new bureaucracy.

the national debt? 1-point-something trillion dollars (not counting the cost of the wars which they didn't include in the budget because they thought it might create sticker shock).

spending trillions of dollars on wars that weren't actually "planned" (oh don't be an elitist, we'll just go over there and kick ass, who needs a friggin' plan).

spying on citizens with warrants provided by CIA judges?

Yes folks, thanks to the republicans, The CIA has judges.

government by fortune cookie is a LOSING proposition.

Posted by: johnlindauer | June 11, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry to announce that JakeD AKA James W. von Brunn will not be with us today.

Posted by: thinman1 | June 11, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

opp88:

Same "point" that Republicans tried to smear Bill Clinton re: sex and unexplained "suicides".

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

AndyR3:

"Any politician can be beaten on any given day ..."

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Lets bring Grandpa Bush back for one more term, he's still jumping out of airplanes, so he must be still up for the job. His son Jeb, could be VP. Long Live the Bush Dynasty.

Posted by: vbhoomes | June 11, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

whats the point about Joe and the 28 year old dead person?

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

What a gruesome display it will be when the entire "body" of the GOP gets shredded by the realities of demographics and the fact that moderates don't necessarily care for a white Christian extremist party.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | June 11, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Oh my god -- Scarborough for office? Scarborough, the guy whose intern died under uh, mysterious circumstance, after which joe fled town and left politics abruptly?

"FORT WALTON BEACH, FL. - Lori Klausutis, a 28-year-old office worker for Rep. Joe Scarborough (R-Fl), was found dead in the congressman's district office. Police said preliminary findings from the medical examiner's office showed no foul play or any outward indication of suicide."

Unbelievably, that was it. The story was simply dropped. A young female employee of one of Florida's Congressmen had died unexpectedly in the Congressman's office. There were no witnesses to her death and the cause of death was not apparent. Klausutis' boss, Joe Scarborough had recently resigned from Congress prematurely and unexpectedly, amid rumors about his marital fidelity and soon after a divorce. He had also abruptly resigned as publisher of the Independent Florida Sun, claiming that resigning from Congress and as publisher was necessary to spend more time with his sons.

http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

More like the Dread, the Fart and the Nut for the rest of the population... Good luck GOP! Perhaps Pawlenty hasn't quite got the goofball image of the others, but Palin and Newt are certifiably fringe.

Posted by: RickJ | June 11, 2009 7:59 AM | Report abuse

And if you could put them all together you would have the equivalent of a real candidate. If you compare those three and there attributes to Obama you find that he has the Heart (the base loves him), and the brains (Hard to argue), and the Guts (he will go against the bases wishes if it is the best political move).
That is why none of these three will ever beat Obama one-on-one.

Posted by: AndyR3 | June 11, 2009 7:57 AM | Report abuse

I think you've picked the wrong body parts, Mr. Çilliza.

Posted by: drindl | June 11, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Oh, okay, NOW it says June 11. Obviously, this thread was up late last night. I wonder if any reporter will ask Obama and/or Gibbs about Rev. Wright's comments. As for "The Fix" Political Hall of Fame, wasn't that promised for delivery this week? In the spirit of "fair and balanced" I hope that Monday's edition includes at least one of the Republicans mentioned above.

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

A GOP ticket of Joe Scarborough and Colin Powell would beat Obama and whomever he picks next as a VP running mate.

Posted by: edgar_sousa | June 11, 2009 7:34 AM | Report abuse

My wife and I would vote for a Palin-Pawlenty ticket (Gingrich can be SecState ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Was this thread really posted at 6:00 AM yesterday?

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 6:33 AM | Report abuse

And Limbaugh is the party's anus.

Posted by: FlownOver | June 10, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

"To which body part do Republicans choose to listen? It could make a world of difference as the party prepares to make its case to voters in 2010 and ultimately 2012."

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With a bunch of vacuous and uninsping goofballs like this to choose from, my guess is that a lot of Republicans are just going to stay home on election day. The ones who do vote will pull the lever for whoever sounds like (s)he hates the right people.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh what a load of bilge. Palin's "plain talk" isn't country wisdom, it's incoherent babble. A canary makes more sense than she does.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

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