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Morning Fix: The Comeback Kid (Again)



Former President Bill Clinton is on the rise -- again. KNS/AFP/Getty Images

Bill Clinton's secret trip to North Korea and his work to win the release of two American journalists thrust the former president back into the national spotlight and proved, yet again, that Clinton truly is the comeback kid.

Clinton won plaudits from all sides -- with the notable exception of John Bolton -- for the role he played in the release of the two women.

Matt Gurney, writing in the National Post, called Clinton the "perfect man to serve as an unofficial ambassador" while "Hardball" host Chris Matthews described Clinton's role as "heroic." Susan McCue, former chief of staff to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) praised the former president as someone who "understands other politicians and their needs better than any U.S. statesman."

The praise for Clinton in his return to a familiar role as diplomat to the world comes just over a year after he was roundly condemned as -- among other things -- angry, out of touch and, most damaging to his political legacy, racially insensitive, by many within the Democratic Party for his role in the 2008 presidential race.

Clinton's aggressive advocacy for his wife and seeming dismissiveness toward then Sen. Barack Obama -- Clinton called Obama's narrative on the Iraq war a "fairy tale" and sought to minimize Obama's victory in the South Carolina primary by noting that the Rev. Jesse Jackson had also won the Palmetto Sate -- led to an erosion of the former president's image particularly in the black community.

After riding in the upper 50s and lows 60 in favorability ratings for much of his time since leaving office in 2000, Washington Post/ABC News polling showed Clinton's number dip under 50 in April 2008 during the heart of the Democratic primary fight. By late May, when Obama had all but wrapped up the nomination, a Gallup survey showed 58 percent of African American voters felt favorably toward Clinton -- a drop of nearly 30 points from where the former president stood one year before.

Clinton was even the subject of a harsh Vanity Fair profile in July 2008 by Todd Purdum that included these damning lines:

"This winter, as Clinton moved with seeming abandon to stain his wife's presidential campaign in the name of saving it, as disclosures about his dubious associates piled up, as his refusal to disclose the names of donors to his presidential library and foundation and his and his wife's reluctance to release their income-tax returns created crippling and completely avoidable distractions for Hillary Clinton's own long-suffering ambition, I found myself asking again and again, What's the matter with him?"

Clinton, as he almost always does when he is brought low, used the final days of the presidential campaign to begin the slow process of reconciliation with those he had offended -- actively campaigning for Obama in places, like Florida, where he could be helpful to the ticket.

And, with Obama now in the White House and Clinton's wife, former New York senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, installed as secretary of state, the former president is, once again, free from political entanglements and free, too, to continue the burnishing of his legacy.

For President Obama, the Clinton situation amounts to a win-win. Clinton, as a former president deeply engaged in foreign relations, has the ability to go anywhere in the world and command an audience with that nation's leader. And yet, since Clinton has no formal role in the Obama administration, the president and White House are able to keep their distance from him -- a useful tool in the nuanced world of diplomacy.

The end result? We're likely to see more of Bill Clinton astride the world stage. Right where he wants to be.

Wednesday's Fix Picks:

1. $52 million has been spent on health care ads.
2. A fascinating piece on southern liberalism.
3. "Cash for Clunkers" moves forward in Senate.
4. Ted Strickland has a huge cash edge over John Kasich in Ohio governor's race.
5. Paula Abdul: We hardly knew you.

OFA on the Radio...: Organizing for America, the grassroots arm of the Democratic National Committee, is launching radio ads in 19 House districts praising Democratic members for their commitment to reform the health care system -- an ad buy that will cost the committee roughly $200,000. The ads praise the members for "taking on the lobbyists and special interests and standing up for us and our families" and are an obvious attempt to counter the efforts by Republicans and their conservative-aligned outside interest groups to pressure Democratic members to break with President Obama on the health care measure. The members who will benefit from the OFA effort reads like a who's who of potential targets for Republicans in 2010. Here's the list: Reps. Steve Driehaus (Ohio), Kathy Dahlkemper (Pa.), Ann Kirkpatrick (Ariz.), Gabby Giffords (Ariz.), Jerry McNerney (Calif.), Ed Perlmutter (Colo.), Suzanne Kosmas (Fla.), Alan Grayson (Fla.), Tim Walz (Minn.), Martin Heinrich (N.M.), Dina Titus (Nev.), Dan Maffei (N.Y.), Eric Massa (N.Y.), Mary Jo Kilroy (Ohio), John Boccierri (Ohio), Zack Space (Ohio), Charlie Wilson (Ohio), Glenn Nye (Va.) and Steve Kagen (Wis.).

...Club For Growth on TV: The conservative Club for Growth is dropping more than $1 million on health care-themed television ads in Nevada, Colorado, Arkansas and North Dakota designed to pressure Democratic senators in targeted 2010 races. The ad plays up questions surrounding the dangers of a government-run program -- particularly on end of life issues. "Life and death decisions should be made by patients and doctors not politicians and bureaucrats," says the ad.

Another Poll, Another Christie Lead: Former U.S. attorney Chris Christie (R) held a 50 percent to 36 percent lead over New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine (D) among those most likely to vote in November's gubernatorial election, according to a new Monmouth University/Gannett poll. Christie has expanded his lead over Corzine since a July Monmouth poll when he led the incumbent 45 percent to 37 percent. Corzine , after a month of slamming Christie on television, is now up with a positive ad featuring an endorsement by President Obama -- a strategy seen as a last ditch effort by Corzine to save himself amid declining poll numbers and increasing pessimism about Democratic strategists about his chances at victory.

The Great Name Caucus Loses a Member: Elwyn Tinklenberg (!) dropped a planned third race against controversial Minnesota Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R) on Tuesday, citing the "increasingly improbable" path that he would have to take to win the Democratic nomination and oust the congresswoman. Tinklenberg first ran for the suburban Twin Cities seat when it came open in 2006, losing in a primary to Patty Wetterling. His candidacy was largely ignored for much of 2008 until Bachmann went on "Hardball" in mid-October and suggested that Democrats held "anti-American" views.The race immediately drew national attention (and money) but Tinklenberg came up short on election day. With Tinklenberg out of the race, state Sen. Tarryl Clark is the Democratic frontrunner.

Ovide Out and About: Furthering speculation that he will challenge former New Hampshire attorney general Kelly Ayotte for the Republican nomination in next year's open Senate race, 1996 gubernatorial nominee Ovide Lamontagne released his schedule of campaign stops to reporters. Lamontagne, who has hired several well-regarded Republican operatives in New Hampshire and Washington to advise him on a bid, will stop by a Young Republicans lobster bake (yum!) in Hampton on Saturday and will make stops in Salem and Dover as well over the next 10 days. Lamontagne's level of activity -- and the fact that he made sure reporters knew where he was going -- suggests that he is serious about taking on Ayotte despite the fact that she is the clear choice of outgoing Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) and other national Republicans. (The National Republican Senatorial Committee is hosting a fundraiser to benefit Ayotte next month.) Democrats, meanwhile, have cleared the field for Rep. Paul Hodes who runs even with Ayotte in most public polling.

Sawyer Departs: Roughly six weeks after South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.) admitted that he had left the country for five days to visit his Argentine mistress (we still cannot believe that happened!), Joel Sawyer, Sanford's communications director, will officially leave the governor's office today. Sawyer, who was absolutely bombarded with e-mails and calls (including many from the ole Fix himself), handled what was a terrible situation -- his boss was willfully misleading him (at best) -- well and made the right move.

Say What?: "I really do like running alone." -- Pennsylvania Rep. Joe Sestak on his lack of establishment support in his primary challenge to Sen. Arlen Specter (D) in an interview with Hardball's Chris Matthews.

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However, Chris's hero worship of Clinton is again misplaced However, Chris's hero worship of Clinton is again misplaced

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You must be new here. Bill Clinton?!? The hero of Chris' worship is Sarah Palin. At least once a week we get a breathlessly excited post about her canny political acumen and what a great chance she has for 2012.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 5, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

@drindl - MikeinMidland had me right. I was attempting to summarize Bolton (I come to bury the sob, not praise him).

Incidentally, is that Midland, MI? I worked for Dow Chemical there for about 6 weeks in 2000. I grew to like the town. Dropped by Kokopellis (I forget the exact name) on my way back from work.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 5, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness the two women were released. However, Chris's hero worship of Clinton is again misplaced, as it was when he decided he was more worthy than Franklin, Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin D Roosevelt, among others, into his so-called political "hall of fame."

The negotiations to free the two female reporters had all but entirely been completed before Clinton arrived in North Korea. Everyone should be thankful he went there, but people need to place his role in its proper context, with the efforts of Obama. Hillary Clinton, Bill Richardson and others being far more important.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | August 5, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey Zouk--where is this planet that you're King_of? I've never heard of it. Is there intelligent life there?

Posted by: billalves714 | August 5, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

mark, thank you.

I will follow on this because I have always wondered about the Jim Crow blame game.

Yankees despise southern whites. It is bigotry nonetheless.

It will take some time, you might be right (rural monopoly) which is why I am so interested.

I think the failure of "reconstruction" is a huge problem for America. On both sides, it is as if the civil war were fought to a draw.


Posted by: shrink2 | August 5, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

For the record, nine (9) allowances mean dependents plus other things that can lower your tax liability for the year -- there's not even any penalty / interest for W-4 filers if they pay 90% of the anticipated tax right before January 1. 2010 -- people take more "allowances" all the time, for instance, home mortgage payments, qualifying for head of household filing status, child tax credits, day care credits, etc.

This is not tax fraud.

Posted by: JakeD | August 5, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

JakeD is encouraging tax fraud. I think this is carrying trolling a little too far; this is not teabagger civil disobedience but advocacy of criminal fraud. My advice is to always fill out your IRS forms honestly.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 5, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

SEND A MESSAGE TO WASHINGTON D.C.!

Anyone out there earning a paycheck can get a quick raise immediately just by turning in a new W-4 Form to your employer claiming 9 allowances on Line 5 (I know that more than 10 allowances used to trigger an IRS inquiry -- not sure if that's still the case -- the last thing you need is a "lock down" letter). As for any "penalty" next April, that would be worth it to send a message to Obama to stop spending now. Or, you can simply send in one check to cover the difference right before January 1st and avoid the penalty:

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw4.pdf

Print it now, and turn it in to your employer tomorrow!

Posted by: JakeD | August 5, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Well done former President Bill Clinton and should be our President Hillary Clinton. Both Clintons have demonstrated to the world what real leadership looks like. Obama may watch and weep as he will never be their political equal despite the 24/7 adoration and promotion in all media including the Wash Post.

The Clinton are the smartest, most skilled political team we've ever seen since FDR and Eleanor. The DNC made an enormous mistake in betraying the Clintons for the unqualified Obama. Bush was bad and Obama is proving to be far worse.

It's wonderful to see the journalists reunited with their families. Journalists and travelers should exercise more caution in dangerous areas of the world. They put their lives and country at risk in having to attempt to save them.

Todd Purdam is a total jerk. He only garners attention for his scathing attacks on the Clintons. Disgraceful. His wife Dee Dee Myers would not have the career and exposure she enjoys without Bill and Hillary Clinton. Some gratitude. Vanity Fair is a rag mag.

Bill Clinton does not have to "come back" from anything. He was a great President and has continued to be a great force in the world, accomplishing much. I thank the former President and Hillary for their lifetimes of public service. The Democratic party really missed an opportunity for the country and the world to have these two great leaders in office again. Let's rectify this in 2012.

Hillary 2012!!!****

Posted by: TAH1 | August 5, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

shrink, I hope you check in here.

Before the Supremes decided Baker v.Carr, Reynolds v. Sims, and Gray v. Sanders apportionment was considered a non-justiciable political question. Thus the cities of the south, where the more educated and less racist lived, had far less than proportional representation in the US Congress and in the state houses. I think Atlanta was outvoted by 700-1 in GA in terms of weighting. This made reform and integration impossible because you could only get one Richmond Flowers elected in the state lege, not 20.

We take "one man one vote" for granted, now. The "power structure" you have read about was entrenched largely from the previous stunning overbalancing of rural votes.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 5, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

"...standing on the paper's dignity and all that. Hopefully that's not like standing on the deck of the Titanic."

It is, but no one cares.
When the MSM is gone, how will the right wing assign blame? The Internets? People talking to each other?

Posted by: shrink2 | August 5, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love the NY Post's headline, "Bubba gets the chicks."

Who said humor and reporting can't go hand in hand?

Of course WaPo editors would get their knickers in a twist over any such headline, standing on the paper's dignity and all that. Hopefully that's not like standing on the deck of the Titanic.

Posted by: douglaslbarber | August 5, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Jefferson convicted of bribery today in alexandria,VA

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Nobody needs to scream that Jefferson was great, we all know he was.

chrisuxcox

Posted by: king_of_zouk | August 5, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I've never seen such hero worship for a politician as with Reagan. Not with Kennedy, not with Lincoln, not with Washington, not with Jefferson.

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Real greatness would be self-reinforcing and wouldn't need constant buttressing coming from liars determined to believe.

Nobody needs to scream that Jefferson was great, we all know he was.

Reagan wasn't great, he was a mediocrity whose pithy applause lines pleased the brachiators, so they need to constantly scream lies.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 5, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Isn't this the same Bill Clinton who refused bin Laden on a silver-plater three times?

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No, you've got him confused with "Richard B" Cheney who made a deal with Musharraf to hide Bush family friend Bin Laden in Pakistan and then tried to tell the American people that the CIA can't find Osama. (while they can read the license plate on my truck and monitor my cell phone calls in the most remote mountainous areas of Southern Mexico).

Posted by: coloradodog | August 5, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DDAWD | August 5, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

"So that explains the Clinton Building in DC, and the William Jefferson Clinton Washington National Airport.

Oh, Reagan - not Clinton.

Never mind. . .

Posted by: sourpuss "

Weren't some people making some noises when Reagan died about putting him on the dime?

I've never seen such hero worship for a politician as with Reagan. Not with Kennedy, not with Lincoln, not with Washington, not with Jefferson.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 5, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Isn't this the same Bill Clinton who refused bin Laden on a silver-plater three times?

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No, this is the Bill Clinton who wanted to go after Osama but was accused by Sen. Gramm (R-Texas) of trying to distract America from the more important Lewinsky investigation.

Idiot.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 5, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton reminded us the forgotten words, like diplomacy, modesty, politeness, intelligent that were not used in the Bush Era.
Two journalists were lucky that Mr. Clinton went to N. Korea to save them (W. Bush would go:):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHBr0q7V24E&feature=channel_page

Posted by: NYofNY | August 5, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse


Bill Clinton is and was no angel or hero. I think he was a pretty good president, if a terrible husband.

He did a good thing yesterday, a decent thing. And so I say again, Good job, Bill.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 5, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Isn't this the same Bill Clinton who refused bin Laden on a silver-plater three times? Isn't this the same Bill Clinton who ignored the terrorist threats for 8 years-where we got the reputation as being a "paper tiger"?. Isn't this the same Bill Clinton who lied under oath?
Seems like you libs are pretty desperate to see Bill Clinton as anything but the coward that he is and will always be!

Posted by: cschotta1 | August 5, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

So let's see. We had 3 options:

1) Cut our losses and let the two young women rot in a North Korean prison.

2) Nuke the whole freakin' nation. The women would die, but the opportunity to take out an adversary would be worth the collateral damage.

3) Let Bill Clinton provide a pre-negotiated photo op for that whack-job Kim Jong Il, the women are released, and tensions between the two nations are reduced such that diplomacy and talks involving nuclear threats possibly can be resumed.

Gee. I don't know. Tough call.

Of course, if you subscribe to the conventional right wing philosophy, it's choice #1. If you are a far right extremist, obviously #2 is the way to go. By no means choose #3, because that would create the impression that the Obama Administration did something right, and we certainly cannot allow that to happen.

Posted by: labman57 | August 5, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I tip my hat to former President Bill Clinton. It was an extraordinary effort to free the two women journalist. We are grateful and thank all the people who tirelessly worked for the release of the two journalist. I am truly proud to be a citizen of this country. As the former president said in his speech during the DNC acceptance of President Obama's, "IT IS THE POWER OF OUR EXAMPLE THAT MAKES US GREAT IN THE EYES OF THE WORLD" and this is the one moment in time that shows the world how mother USA truly cares about her children (the citizens of USA).
The homecoming of the two journalist was a celebration that all americans should stand tall and be proud.

"America, America, May God thy gold refine, Till all success, be nobleness, And every gain divine"
From AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL

Posted by: prudencerussell | August 5, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Is Drudge linking here again?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 5, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

jackolaytrn:

This is what happens when you listen to Rush and Fox. It has been stated repeatably that we gave up NOTHING. Kim Jung just wanted Clinton to visit because Clinton didnt visit in 2000. Thats it plain and simple. Its a shame you cant be thankful our citizens are now out of prison and home.

Posted by: rharring | August 5, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton’s drama of two reporters’ release negated the isolation of North Korea that Hillary Clinton had so boisterously declared at Asian regional forum by saying ‘North Korea has no place to go and has no friends left’. So long as North Korea has a godfather called ‘China’ that coddles it, Hillary’s US can’t do much harm to that friendless vagabond. And regardless of what China tells Hillary in face-to-face meetings, as long as China continues to prop up North Korean regime, North Korea has nothing to fear from likes of Hillary Clinton. Can US stop China from propping up North Korean regime? Ofcourse NOT.

Posted by: simplesimon33 | August 5, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse


Reports are that Al Gore was the one originally tapped for this back-door diplomacy, but Kim Jong Il said he wasn't a big enough prize. And subsequently he specifically stated that the price of release of the journalists was a visit by Clinton.

If that is true, then to the degree that Clinton is making or will make a "comeback," does he owe it to Kim?

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 5, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8:

You "discuss" whatever you'd like, as will I.

Posted by: JakeD | August 5, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Can we drop the metadiscussions please?

WaPo and CC have obviously decided to sanction the GOP trolls. That doesn't mean we have to capitulate to their need for special attention. We can carry on discussions around them, as we did yesterday.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 5, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

True, but it maintains the MAD (mutually assured destruction) equilibrium wherein we each get to "ignore" each other.

Posted by: JakeD | August 5, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

For the record, all posts starting with "for the record" will be maintained for the same time as posts which do not start with "for the record."

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 5, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Afraid he'd win again?

Posted by: drindl | August 5, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Oh look, the stooge calls the kettle black.

Posted by: drindl | August 5, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

koolkat: that one has established that he is beneath notice. Let's keep it that way.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 5, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Note to CC: the average Kindergartner could do better than this yet day after day your blog is populated by more than 70% with this trype. what is it about you that attracts these freaks? I noticed that since they blog regularly all the old intelligent posters that hung around here lats year have headed off to more sane climes.

anyone else notice this? and I am not asking the moonbats themselves, they are unaware of their surroundings. they actually think cap and trade is sound, you can spend your way out of recession and to top it all off, that the voters want the government to take over health care. Talk about clueless.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | August 5, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Liberal Democrats' need to make heroes of their politicians is pathetic. Yes, Clinton rendered a valuable little bit of service to the Korean-American journalists who, incidentally got themselves captured by venturing too close to a Communist country. But a "hero"? Nah.

Posted by: mhr614 | August 5, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

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So that explains the Clinton Building in DC, and the William Jefferson Clinton Washington National Airport.

Oh, Reagan - not Clinton.

Never mind. . .

Posted by: sourpuss | August 5, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse


The journalists did not travel to North Korea. They were kidnapped from the Chinese side of the river by a NK patrol boat. The sole purpose of capturing these two Americans (and letting the others go) was to bargain for a photo op with an American statesman.

Kim Jong Il got his pictures for internal propaganda, and nothing else. The world is not fooled.

Good job Mr. Clinton.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 5, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Afraid he'd win again?

Posted by: drindl | August 5, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

For the record, the Constitution currently prohibits Bill Clinton from being elected President again (thank God), and he already is in "The Fix" Political Hall of Fame.

Posted by: JakeD | August 5, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Oh look, the stooge calls the kettle black.

Posted by: drindl | August 5, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

koolkat: that one has established that he is beneath notice. Let's keep it that way.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 5, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

It must really irk people like JakeD to know that Bill Clinton could be elected president for the next 30 years and that the Republicans have no one who could touch him.

He'll be in CC's HOF one day.

Clinton = likeable, smart

Republicans = not so much.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | August 5, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't care that Clinton freed those two women. It didn't hurt us with North Korea one iota. However, I certainly hops none of my tax dollars were spent on the negotiations or the trip. I have seen nothing to deny the basic facts of the case: they entered North Korea. That was their choice. With our deficits my money could be better spent. Same thing for those hikers who thought they'd see Iran.

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Oh Jesus.

Your tax dollars? Tell you what, send me your paypal address and I'll send you 20¢ personally to reimburse you for "your money" that was spent on releasing two Americans from twelve years of hard labor.

Some citizen you are.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 5, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

For the record, most historians agree that Neville Chamberlain's "appeasement" (sneer quotes or not) was a bad thing.

Posted by: JakeD | August 5, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

CC - it seems your blog is overrun with moonbat vermin. wasn't there some attempt to instill a little intelligence into your blog. based on the stooges posting here, you have sunk ever deeper into the mire.

I understand blogging is pretty much a pointless waste of time, but you have taken this to the heights with your "regulars".

Posted by: king_of_zouk | August 5, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

carabis demonstrates my point. rightwingers simply don't care about anyone but themselves.

Posted by: drindl | August 5, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I love it when these nincompoops scream about "appeasement." They'd rather we sent troops and bombs and rained death down on children.

What an empty, sick outlook they have.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 5, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't care that Clinton freed those two women. It didn't hurt us with North Korea one iota. However, I certainly hops none of my tax dollars were spent on the negotiations or the trip. I have seen nothing to deny the basic facts of the case: they entered North Korea. That was their choice. With our deficits my money could be better spent. Same thing for those hikers who thought they'd see Iran.

Posted by: caribis | August 5, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Unsurprisingly, the rightwingers don't seem to give a damn about the reporters, their fellow Americans. The only thing that matters to them is that the US looks 'manly.'

Too make up for their lack of that quality, apparently.

Posted by: drindl | August 5, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Watch the deranged GOP teabaggers decide that Clinton gave Kim Jong Il the nuclear football and twelve Nordic American virgins from the Midwest.

These guys can't handle good news.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 5, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Actually, chrisfox, Bolton's thing was Plato's Retreat.

Posted by: drindl | August 5, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I agree it was a good deal IF the only thing Kim Jong Il got was a visit by Bill Clinton.

Posted by: JakeD | August 5, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Funny (not in the "ha ha ha" sense) that goopers are screaming in rage that Clinton apologized for the two reporters. The cost of a few conciliatory words is beneath notice. Haven't read Bolton's enraged screed, don't plan to, don't need to. More bluster from a guy who looks like he goes to leather bars.

I suppose we could have spent a trillion dollars and a few hundred lives and gotten them back the hard way, and that would have pleased the nutbars. A few polite words are better.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 5, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

drindl, I think BB was just summarizing Bolton's take on this, not necessarily agreeing with it.

Bolton's OpEd couldn't have had worse timing. He got it out in the (few) hours between the announcement of Clinton's visit and the announcement of the journalists' release.

If the only thing Kim Jong Il got from this is the prestige of Clinton's visit (and I think it is) then it was an extremely good deal. John Bolton, go away.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 5, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

BB _ I don't see how you can consider this 'appeasement.' Getting the NK into an agreement to stop their nukes is simply self-preservation on our part. You don't bully somene with a gun aimed at you, epsecially if they're nuts. You humor them until you can take the gun.

Posted by: drindl | August 5, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Liberals are laughable. They believe no one can think for themselves,

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That's kinda funny coming from the people who need to believe that "Reagan ended the Cold War" and "Bush kept us safe" that by invading two Muslim countries.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | August 5, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Most of the work for this was done by Hillary Clinton, behind the scenes. Bill's part was to play the elder statesman and popular President, which he did spectacularly well. I almost hate to say it, because I am not a fan of the Clinton's, but they pulled this off with a degree of competency and statesmanship that is astonishing.

In a side note, a lesson needs to be learned here by American's of origins in countries like North Korea (or Iran or Lebanon or Vietnam or mainland China). Those are dictatorships and people with relatives or ethnic origins in these places think they can pass or blend in. Well, they might as well have targets pinned onto them. I can usually spot an American in any foreign country (and I'm delighted to see my fellow countrymen), and I imagine the secret police there are a lot better at it than I am. The State Department needs to issue special warnings to these people to be especially careful. Better yet, if you feel the need for foreign travel, Canada or France are good bets.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 5, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"Senators:
Albert Gore, Sr. (D-Tennessee)"

After voting against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Gore Sr voted FOR the much more important Voting Rights Act of 1965. That vote cost him reelection in 1970.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | August 5, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Well, I suppose on topic, this was a neatly executed Kabuki. Bill coming to NK allows a face saving climb down. That he does it without official US govt involvement allows the administration to keep its hands clean, even if he is married to the SoS.

John Bolton has gone for self-immolation. Somehow, Jimmy Carter going to NK led to the original, now abandoned, treaties. And Bill's trip will lead to a whole new round of appeasement.

The most interesting video moment was Al Gore and Bill Clinton embracing when Clinton returned. Can these two guys reconcile?

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 5, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

>>My specific question is "What did the United States give away to North Korea" in exchange for Algore's 2 "little girls" who had no business carrying out Mr. Gore's Global Warming Schemes so close to North Korea??

You do realize they were filming about the human trafficking of women when they were detained? Even then the legality of their detention was sketchy at best. Their association with Al Gore nonwithstanding they weren't there because of global warming and I'm tired of hearing people throw that out there because it's ignorant of the actual facts.

That and calling them stupid when they were practically chased down (the two men they were with got away) to be detained by the North Koreans. That and declaring they should apologize to the American people show how far we've fallen in terms of our moral standards.

Posted by: mtcooley | August 5, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"...the rural monopoly in the south that had stymied integration."

Mark, I am trying to figure out what you mean by "rural monopoly"?

How is it that Jim Crow world was a result of, or preserved by a rural monopoly? I thought the death of reconstruction was organized at and preserved by the highest levels of Southern politics. It is the burden of Southern history.

Blaming the crackers seems too easy.

But maybe I am confused and that is why I am asking. I am 100% Yankee and all I know about this topic is what I have read.

Posted by: shrink2 | August 5, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"Extrapolating about "southern liberalism" to Harper Lee's great novel is an unsupported generalization."

Ms Parker also referenced Ms Lee, in her column today. In it, Ms Parker aligns with retiring Sen Voinovich of Ohio, in recommending the GOP try to reverse its 'southernization'. She goes so far as to hope for the end of the 50 year era described by LBJ (which by his calculations expires in 6 years).

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 5, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

All NK got for the release of the journalists (ages 32 and 36) was the visit by Bill Clinton itself.

The journalists were kidnapped from Chinese territory. They did not "wander over the border." A NK patrol came across the river and took the Americans and let the SK citizens go. They were taken expressly for the purpose of trading them for a little recognition.

Kim Jong Il got some good propaganda for internal consumption, but no one else is fooled. Good job, Bill.

Posted by: mikeinmidland | August 5, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I know, margaret. Pity. They taste like chickenhawk.

Posted by: drindl | August 5, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

My point? Extrapolating about "southern liberalism" to Harper Lee's great novel is an unsupported generalization. "Atticus" may well have been a fictionalization of Richmond Flowers - who as AG of AL under Wallace took one-man one-vote to the Supremes, and won, and killed the rural monopoly in the south that had stymied integration.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 5, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I was thinking of driving to New Hampshire to share that meal with Ovide Lamontagne, but then I realized they were baking lobsters, not Young Republicans. Oh well.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 5, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Ddawd, earlier I posted a wiki excerpt about Richmond Flowers, Sr. who was AG of AL during Wallace's first term, and who fought for integration. It was a native New Orleans Fifth Circuit Justice, John Minor Wisdom, who led the court ordered integration of the south.

In 1956, Strom and Russell crafted the Southern Manifesto against integration.
While most Senators and Congressmen from the South signed, the following DID NOT:

Senators:
Albert Gore, Sr. (D-Tennessee)
Estes Kefauver (D-Tennessee)
Lyndon B. Johnson (D-Texas)
Congressmen:
Dante Fascell (D-FL)
William Cramer (R-FL)
Richard Chatham (D-NC)
Harold D. Cooley (D-NC)
Charles Deane (D-NC)
Charles Jonas (R-NC)
Howard Baker, Sr. (R-TN)
Ross Bass (D-TN)
Joe Evins (D-TN)
Percy Priest (D-TN)
B. Carroll Reece (R-TN)
and most of the TX delegation:
Jack Brooks (D)
Brady Gentry (D)
Sam Rayburn (D)
Bruce Alger (R)
Olin E. Teague (D)
Albert Thomas (D)
Clark W. Thompson (D)
Homer Thornberry (D)[Austin]
William Poage (D)
Jim Wright (D)
Frank Ikard (D)
John J. Bell (D)
Joe Madison Kilgore (D) [1]
J. T. Rutherford (D)
Omar Burleson (D) [1]
George Mahon (D) [1]
Paul Kilday (D)


Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 5, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Until I saw some of these posts I realized how the anti-intellect started!
It was during the Brilliant President Clinton was in office. He was cleaning their clock with intelligence.

The dummies chose the dummy route! See where we are?

THE WORLD LOVES BILL!

THE WORLD LOVES OBAMA!

THE WORLD LAUGHS AT THE DO NOTHINGS!

THE WORLD BLAMES THE DO NOTHINGS FOR GLOBAL DISASTER!

WHAT DOES THE WORLD KNOW?

Oh! I almost forgot-

THE WORLD WARNED US NOT TO INVADE IRAQ!

WHAT DID THE DO NOTHING DUMMIES DO?

IGNORED THE WORLD- INVADED IRAQ- AND RENAMED FRENCH FRIES!

FUNNY- THEY WERE NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT LOSING BUILLIONS OF REAL CASH IN IRAQ

THEY WERE NOT WORRIED ABOUT ADDING TO DEFEICIT WITH THOSE TAX CUTS BUSH SAID WOULD CREAT JOBS=

DID I MENTION- CITI LOST 96000 THIS YEAR!

ON AND ON AND ON

AND THE WORLD LAUGHS AT THE DO NOTHING DUMMIES!

Posted by: sasha2008 | August 5, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Gosh, maybe the right wing should start a false rumor about where Bill Clinton was born.

Posted by: cyberfool | August 5, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

"Re Fix Pick 'fascinating piece on southern liberalism'. What is fascinating to me is the revelation (to me) that Brown vs Board actually goaded segregationist into a vitriolic defensive position on civil rights which still haunts the South today. But then the alternative--do nothing--would have been worse."

Obama has said that one of the tragedies of the civil rights movement is that so much of it had to be accomplished through the courts. Not that he wasn't happy it was accomplished, but it certainly wasn't the best way to do it. It seems like gay rights might be going a different path with more state legislatures taking the lead.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 5, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

That's exactly right, BB. They use their 'first amendment rights' to drown out everyone else's.

Posted by: drindl | August 5, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Slow day, CC. Nobody much wants to talk about Bill. Not much controversy here. How about this? A private contractor who made billions in Iraq off American taxpayers turns out be a murderer and raging lunatic. Where is the outrage? I bet not a single MSM outlet covers this:

"A former Blackwater employee and an ex-US Marine who has worked as a security operative for the company have made a series of explosive allegations in sworn statements filed on August 3 in federal court in Virginia. The two men claim that the company's owner, Erik Prince, may have murdered or facilitated the murder of individuals who were cooperating with federal authorities investigating the company. The former employee also alleges that Prince "views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe," and that Prince's companies "encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life."


Posted by: drindl | August 5, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I heard Bill Clinton has recently helped US rep. Kendrick Meeks raise money in his bid for US Senate in Florida. I think the Clinton profile has fallen and fallen hard. Hillary is still in power, but the Clinton name is flawed.

So the Club for Growth is now spending $1 million on the healthcare debate. Now is a great time to do it, as recess is in. Target those senators while their home, as Democrats will target Republicans as "no, but do nothing" senators. A great battle is raging now.

It's telling that Christie is still this far ahead of Corzine, as Corzine's negative attacks haven't worked. So now Corzine is going positive, as if though that will help. Corzine is a dead duck!

Posted by: reason5 | August 5, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

HEALTH CARE RABBLE-ROUSERS: THE SPAWN OF AN AMERICAN GESTAPO

MSNBC's Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow got to the nub of these phony protests last night when they correctly connected the dots between the anti- health care zealots and the teabaggers, the 2000 election recount "Brooks Brothers" demonstrators, and other hard-right rabble-rousing.

Fact is, the foot soldiers in this phony, ginned-up street theater don't have to be paid by anybody; there is strong evidence that many, if not most, of them already are affiliated with, and thus subsidized by, FEDERALLY-FUNDED community volunteer organizations...

...the same GPS-activated stormtrooper vigilantes that comprise a highly organized American Gestapo that works covertly with a secretive executive branch "multi-agency coordinated action program" to violate the civil and human rights of unjustly "targeted" neighbors -- making a mockery of the rule of law.

And victims report that silent, high-tech microwave/laser "directed energy weapons" are being used to degrade the very lives of the unjustly targeted.

Read the story that the mainstream media cannot or will not tell:

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR (if link is corrupted / disabled):

See "GESTAPO USA" at http://NowPublic.com/scrivener ("stream" or "stories" list).

Posted by: scrivener50 | August 5, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Re Fix Pick 'fascinating piece on southern liberalism'. What is fascinating to me is the revelation (to me) that Brown vs Board actually goaded segregationist into a vitriolic defensive position on civil rights which still haunts the South today. But then the alternative--do nothing--would have been worse.

Posted by: rawreid | August 5, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I caught a little of MSNBC this morning on the "astroturf mobs". The host had one political operative from each party. Every time the Democrat tried to make a point, the Republican starting talking over him and drown him out. A nice, if inadvertent, illustration of the Republican strategy.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 5, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Just mention the word Bill Clinton and the Republicans go insane, good job Bill, as usual

Posted by: shipfreakbo214 | August 5, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry I seem to have wanderedinto aMr. Clinton cheering section. ....sorry......

Posted by: jackolantyrn356 | August 5, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry I seem to have wanderedinto aMr. Clinton cheering section. ....sorry......

Posted by: jackolantyrn356 | August 5, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I commend Mr. Clinton. My specific question is "What did the United States give away to North Korea" in exchange for Algore's 2 "little girls" who had no business carrying out Mr. Gore's Global Warming Schemes so close to North Korea?? Hopefully, it was a couple of Michael Jackson Albumns.
The Left keeps doing these crazy stunts that keep blowing up in their faces.
Mr. Clinton, although qualified as a "brick", does a nice rendetion of the job he was sent to do. Congratulations to him.

Posted by: jackolantyrn356 | August 5, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"I agree with another poster here that a story on the well-orgnanized attempt to defeat health care reform deserves a story."

oops should be ." I agree with another poster here that the well-organized attempt to, etc"

Posted by: drindl | August 5, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't the mere sight of TheComebackKid in action make one pine for the good ole' days?

Regards,
dePaul Consiglio

Posted by: depaulconsiglio | August 5, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't the mere sight of TheComebackKid in action make one pine for the good ole' days?

Regards,
dePaul Consiglio

Posted by: depaulconsiglio | August 5, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Tink and Ovide. Now if you could just get a mention of Larch Faircloth in there...

OT, but enough of Bill...

I agree with another poster here that a story on the well-orgnanized attempt to defeat health care reform deserves a story. First the republican party and their message machine -- Fox, et al, is encouraging people to go to town halls and disrupt them. And they are, becoming rowdy and violent and threatening. Now the industry itself is jumping in -- and this is from the mouth of the beast itself -- AHIP. Hundreds of housands of giant insurance company employees out to defeat democracy.

"America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP -- the national association representing nearly 1,300 member companies is urging the industry's hundreds of thousands of employees to GO TO TOWN MEETINGS WITH MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN AUGUST TO CONFRONT THEM on House Democrats' top recess message -- that health-reform legislation is "health insurance reform to hold insurance companies accountable."

Posted by: drindl | August 5, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Chris closes his Bill Clinton commentary by stating: "The end result? We're likely to see more of Bill Clinton astride the world stage. Right where he wants to be."

Grammar police: "end result" is redundant. You need only say: "The result?"

Posted by: Kennyb900 | August 5, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Ask youself what would another prez do.

Reagan-would have kowtowed and sold them weapons.

G.H.W Bush-same.

G.W. Bush-stomp feet like little child, threaten.

Ignore the neo-cons like Bolton. Kim Jung Ill is a dying man. This is a way in the long run to prepare for a change in leaders and a soft landing in the North.

Posted by: MerrillFrank | August 5, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we can have Clinton replace the well-tanned Jimmy Cater II. At least Bill can get a job done!

Posted by: sperrico | August 5, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"Sounds like a Net Zero day for the Great Name caucus, with Tink leaving, but Ovide LaMontaigne in. That's a mouthful."

Republicans have lobster bakes?? Man, I need to get in on this deal.

Although how many young Republicans can there possibly be in New Hampshire anyways?

Posted by: DDAWD | August 5, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Another win for Obama and the Clintons. Another serving of s**t for rightwingnut droolers.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | August 5, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like a Net Zero day for the Great Name caucus, with Tink leaving, but Ovide LaMontaigne in. That's a mouthful.

Posted by: bsimon1 | August 5, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Well, these were negotiations. Presumably NK got something in return for the release of the prisoners. I wonder what that is.

Posted by: DDAWD | August 5, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

This sets a horrible precedent. Is this the message we want to send to the rest of the world?
"Kidnap Americans, and we will send a former president to beg for mercy."

Clinton probably apologized on the behalf of Obama. Add North Korea to the list of countries that Obama's apologized to. A damn shame.

Posted by: HooLikesNats | August 5, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"What did the incompetent dictator wannabee in the White House promise the little tinhorn dictator in Korea in the way of ransom?

Looks like the U.S. and its incompetents got snookered again.

Posted by: LarryG6"

***********
Oh, no.
Obama sold us out to the commies.
We're all going to die!
Or be tortured.

What will the North Koreans make us do?
Listen to LarryG6 24-7?

Posted by: edlharris | August 5, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Two “AMERICAN” journalists were released and this is a bad thing? Oh, that’s right. They should not have been there in the first place? Why are we negotiating with the likes of NK? The got what they deserved. Let them rot over there!!

I applaud the Obama administration for a job well done. They are downplaying their efforts and letting Bill Clinton take the credit. I knew the HATERS would be out in full force.

Posted by: letsgetreal | August 5, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Sending Bill Clinton to North Korea is exactly the kind of stroke that makes me admire Obama all the more. This action served so many goals at once: it got the reporters released at the total cost of a PR sop to the North Koreans; it reminded everyone that the Clintons and Obama are on the same team at the end of the day; it showed how intelligent and goal-oriented our president is. Win-win-win.

I know, I know: the right will call him Obambi because he used diplomacy to achieve his goal and not shootin' irons, and they'll resurrect ancient Bill-the-old-goat jokes -- but that's all they've got these days.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | August 5, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Zouk: Diplomatically pursuing the release of journalists is not surrender. We're not becoming part of North Korea or anything nor did we give up any soverignity. You need to look up what the word means because you're misusing it and making yourself look foolish.

Being anything but happy these two women are coming home alive is really perverse.

Posted by: mtcooley | August 5, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Off topic, but where is the mainstream media coverage of the Republican campaign to saboutage health care reform by sending violent mobs to town hall meetings?
Republicans are trying to hijack democracy in the interests of the health insurance industry and their own political power.
Oh, and good job, Bill. Still the Big Dog!

Posted by: katn1084 | August 5, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

President Clinton showed the neocons that you can achieve a goal in foreign policy without going to war or bombing someone.

Posted by: rogden71 | August 5, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Wow that New Yorker piece has no idea how to do proper literary analysis of a book. Especially at the end with Boo Radley. Just good lord that's someone that doesn't get the point. If it doesn't fit in the analysis the solution isn't to make it fit by stretching the point into an obtuse straw grab but to strengthen your arguments on the things that do.

I'm also very glad to hear those journalists are coming home, and many thanks to all involved for a diplomatic solution and to Former President Clinton for personally going. Regardless what people may think of him it was a kind thing to assist in the rescue of these journalists.

Posted by: mtcooley | August 5, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

So surrenduring to north Korea is a win? Cc, your coverage of bills popularity while ignoring the international significance of a move like this speaks volumes about your maturity as a "journalist".

Next up, surrender to Iran I presume.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | August 5, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

From Cilizza: We're likely to see more of Bill Clinton astride the world stage. Right where he wants to be.
Cilizza is a poor excuse for a real (read objective) journalist. The line should end "right where he should be."

Posted by: vienna12 | August 5, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Clinton wouldn't have lifted a finger if the deal hadn't been fixed.
He's an egotistical opportunist scumbag, nothing more.

What did the incompetent dictator wannabee in the White House promise the little tinhorn dictator in Korea in the way of ransom?

Looks like the U.S. and its incompetents got snookered again.

Posted by: LarryG62
--------------------------------------
ROTFLMAO...got a break from screaming NO! NO! NO! at some Repuke rally and wanted to add you two cents, huh, LOL! Poor, poor Repuklican Club...lost, just simply lost, lol...

Posted by: Beingsensible | August 5, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I see an outbreak of Clinton Derangement Syndrome. Especailly Larry G2. Must be sad to live in your vicious little world. Why do you hate America so much?

Clinton saves two American reporters and the bashers come out in full force. Sad and pathetic.

Posted by: drindl | August 5, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Great job and great team work by the Democratic Party. Now let's get this Health Care bill passed in spike of the loony toon Republican nuts!

Posted by: Beingsensible | August 5, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Clinton wouldn't have lifted a finger if the deal hadn't been fixed.
He's an egotistical opportunist scumbag, nothing more.

What did the incompetent dictator wannabee in the White House promise the little tinhorn dictator in Korea in the way of ransom?

Looks like the U.S. and its incompetents got snookered again.

Posted by: LarryG62 | August 5, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Liberal Democrats' need to make heroes of their politicians is pathetic. Yes, Clinton rendered a valuable little bit of service to the Korean-American journalists who, incidentally got themselves captured by venturing too close to a Communist country. But a "hero"? Nah.

Posted by: mhr614 | August 5, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

The White House downplayed Bill's part in this thing. It is clear the Clintons want the White House back as soon as 2012.

Posted by: hz9604 | August 5, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

I don't believe for one second Clinton "won" the release of the journalists. This was all negotiated without him and he was just there for the photo op. However, if this pisses off the Obamanuts and Repugnicans, it's fine with me.

Posted by: ebabin | August 5, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Diplomacy works? Who'd a thunk it?

Posted by: molsonmich | August 5, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

BILL CLINTON'S ACTIVE SUPPORT HELPS OBAMA CONTAIN AN INTERNAL CONTAGION


Having Bill Clinton actively in Barack Obama's corner also helps maintain the President's support among centrists in the Pentagon and key security and intelligence agencies...

...support POTUS needs to resist a disturbingly anti-democratic contagion rooted in powerful directorates and commands of the bureaucracy:

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"


***


MORE EVIDENCE THAT HOMELAND SECURITY'S 'FUSION CENTER' NETWORK USES SURVEILLANCE AS A PRETEXT TO HARASS AND CENSOR TELECOMMUNICATIONS OF U.S. CITIZENS

Scroll to the end of this American Civil Liberties Union thread for the latest apparent Constitutional affronts:

http://blog.aclu.org/2009/01/26/internet-filters-voluntary-ok-not-government-mandate


Posted by: scrivener50 | August 5, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I remember Richmond Flowers, Sr. From wiki:

"Flowers was elected to the Alabama State Senate in 1954 and later served as a floor leader. He was subsequently elected as the Attorney General of Alabama in 1962.

While attorney general, Flowers was renowned for his opposition to the policies of George Wallace, then Governor of Alabama, and his highly-publicized clashes with him were widely reported. In part because of this, he was invited to speak at Yale Law School in the fall of 1965, a venue that had recently booed Gov. Wallace from that same stage. Instead of echoing the then-popular (in the North) criticisms of Gov. Wallace, Mr. Flowers began his speech with a lengthy, withering, and completely unexpected indictment of his hosts' poor manners for their refusal to listen to Gov. Wallace. In his ensuing remarks, Mr. Flowers discussed not only the importance of civil rights to all races, but also emphasized the need for civil discourse, and honoring the fundamental principles of the First Amendment. By his example, he showed that free speech applies to those with who we disagree equally as to those with whom we agree, and that bigotry can take many forms, and can as easily exist in the North as in the South.

During his tenure as Attorney General, Flowers won two landmark voting cases, Baker vs. Carr and Reynolds vs. Sims, before the United States Supreme Court. He also was instrumental in allowing women to serve on juries in Alabama."
--------------------------------------
Flowers as the exemplar of southern liberalism as opposed to Jim Folsom, was a good call, MABP.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | August 5, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

One look at the picture reveals the truth: "its all about Bill." His eight years in the White House was spent playing a game with the American people. I voted for him the first time but realized within a year that you could't believe a word the man said. He may be a come back kid, but it isn't with those of us who came to understand his game.

Posted by: hipshot | August 5, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Another amazing diplomatic success for the Obama administration. That it came with an assist doesn't matter...

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | August 5, 2009 7:52 AM | Report abuse

nothing is more entertaining than watching the clintons prevail while their adversaries seethe.

Posted by: mycomment | August 5, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

"2. A fascinating piece on southern liberalism."

This is in no way fascinating or incisive. Skip it. Richmond Flowers Sr. and Harry Golden are groaning, wherever they may be at this time. If you never heard of these men and you are not a southerner, read about them - not about Big Jim Folsom.

"3. 'Cash for Clunkers' moves forward in Senate."

The program, while a positive, would work with less uncertainty if it were open funded for a discrete period of time - say two months - rather than for a set $ sum.

The use of Bill Clinton here was a vanity choice of, and a sop from, the Secretary of State. It pointedly ignored Bill Richardson, who had worked the matter behind the scenes, if some sources are to be believed. Other sources have claimed that the Administration wanted to use Gore, but NK insisted on Clinton.
In either case, the deal was virtually complete before Clinton landed in the little dark country.

Posted by: MoreAndBetterPolls | August 5, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Bill likes his women like he likes his eggs, "over-easy".

Posted by: hipshot | August 5, 2009 7:33 AM | Report abuse

It's good that no matter which continent he is conquering, Bill Clinton is still the poutty-face kid.

Posted by: tobetv | August 5, 2009 7:21 AM | Report abuse

I think this shows a very savvy political move. Using all your assets, to obtain a goal. I bet no one would have thought that President Clinton could be used to gain the trust of the N. Koreans. I beleive the adminstrations should be saluted for all their efforts and the release of the prisoners. A job while done on all parties.

Posted by: easternstar25 | August 5, 2009 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations to President Clinton for his successful efforts. Hopefully he will be used more on the global stage. He remains very popular on the world stage and was the last respected US president globally before President Obama..

(And John Bolton can keep his head up his orifice....)

Posted by: RickJ | August 5, 2009 6:23 AM | Report abuse

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