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Independents move toward Republicans, away from Obama

1. New data from Gallup shows that independent voters now favor a generic Republican candidate for Congress over a generic Democratic candidate by 12 points, a trend that appears to be tied to their feelings about President Obama.

In more than 6,000 interviews conducted in June, 46 percent of independents said they would support a Republican candidate while 34 percent said they would vote for a Democrat. In April and May, Gallup polls showed Republicans with a 10-point edge among independents on the generic ballot while in March it was an eight-point margin.

The same gap does not appear in Gallup's generic ballot number among all registered voters, where 46 percent opt for a Democratic candidate and 45 percent choose a Republican.

The Gallup numbers suggest that Obama himself is the prime motivator for independent movement toward Republicans on the generic ballot. More than half (51 percent) of independent registered voters -- a more useful demographic slice when analyzing election outcomes -- disapprove of the job the president is doing. Of that group, more than seven in 10 said they preferred a generic Republican candidate to a generic Democratic one.

"Dissatisfaction with Obama appears to be a reason independents favor the Republican Party this year," writes Gallup's Jeffrey Jones.

The Obama fade among independents that is apparent in the Gallup data is all the more striking given the success he had in winning over that crucial voting bloc in 2008. Obama carried independents, who comprised three in every ten voters, by eight points over Sen. John McCain -- a turnaround from four years earlier, when Sen. John Kerry (D) took 49 percent of independents to 48 percent for incumbent George W. Bush.

Jan van Lohuizen, a Republican pollster, said that focus groups of independents he conducted in several states recently suggested that "independents are now thinking about the same issues as Republicans are"-- the economy, federal spending and the ongoing oil leak in the Gulf.

But, van Lohuizen did note that all is not lost for Obama and his party among independents. In the Gallup data, one in five independents are undecided on whether to support a generic Democrat or generic Republican in the fall.

"Independents are really in doubt about Obama but haven't given up on him yet," van Lohuizen said.

2. The Mitt Romney endorsement tour rolls on with the former Massachusetts governor and likely 2012 presidential candidate announcing Wednesday a slate of South Dakota candidates he is backing.

Romney endorsed-- and donated to -- Lt. Gov. Dennis Daugaard's gubernatorial bid and state Rep. Kristi Noem's (R) bid against Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D). Romney is contributing $5,000 to Daugaard and $2,500 to Noem through his Free and Strong America PAC.

Romney has endorsed candidates in more than half of the states in the country, a methodical approach that serves to flex his financial muscle and cement his status as the frontrunner heading into 2012.

The candidate competing with Romney for the title of "candidate running in 2012 without officially saying so" is Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty who rolled out a series of endorsements of his own during a South Carolina trip this week.

Pawlenty's Freedom First PAC gave $3,500 to state Rep. Nikki Haley, the party's gubernatorial nominee, $3,000 to Sen. Jim DeMint and $2,000 each to GOP contenders in the state's 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th congressional districts.

(Pawlenty is a bit late on the Haley front -- at least in 2012 terms. Both Romney and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin endorsed the state legislator during her contentious fight for the nomination earlier this month.)

To date, Romney and Tpaw are miles ahead of other 2012ers in terms of chit-collecting--er, campaign contributions--to a wide variety of candidates on the ballot this fall. Palin also has endorsed a slew of candidates, with mixed results, as has former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee.

Other potential candidates--like Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour and South Dakota Sen. John Thune--have dabbled in the endorsement game, but largely avoided the level of aggression shown by Romney and Pawlenty.

3. Ohio Lt. Gov. Lee Fisher (D) and former Rep. Rob Portman (R) are in a statistical dead heat in the state's open Senate race, according to a new Quinnipiac poll.

The Q poll shows Fisher at 42 percent to Portman's 40 percent, numbers virtually unchanged from an April Quinnipiac survey that showed Fisher at 40 percent and Portman at 37 percent.

Fisher and Portman have traded the lead in the race back and forth over the past year and a half, but polling has consistently been within the margin of error on either side. Portman did not have a serious primary while Fisher had a real race against underfunded Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner.

One advantage Portman has, despite trailing, is that he remains less well-known than Fisher --although neither man is exactly a household name for Buckeye State voters. While Fisher is a statewide elected official, 54 percent of respondents couldn't rate his favorability. A whopping 66 percent of voters didn't know Portman well enough to rate him.

The candidates are each holding the vast majority of voters from their own parties. Portman takes 39 percent of independents, while 37 percent choose Fisher.

The simple truth is that voters simply haven't started paying attention to this race yet. Portman's significant financial advantage over Fisher should allow him to introduce himself to voters first and loudest, but Democrats believe they have a silver bullet in Portman's past work as U.S. Trade Representative in the Bush Administration.

4. A coalition of liberal interest groups has gone up with television ads targeting senators for their positions on climate legislation.

The $2 million outlay by the groups -- the League of Conservation Voters, Sierra Club, VoteVets.org and the Service Employees International Union -- is the leading edge of what they've promised will be an $11 million campaign aimed at rewarding or punishing senators for their votes on environmental legislation.

Three of the ads target Sens. Mike Johanns (R) and Ben Nelson (D) -- both of Nebraska --and Richard Burr (R) of North Carolina, all of whom voted in support of the resolution put forth by Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) earlier this month which would have prevented the Environmental Protection Agency from regulating greenhouse gases.

The other two ads praise Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) and Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) for their votes against the Murkowski resolution.

Reid and Burr are battling to hold onto their seats this year while Nelson and McCaskill are up for re-election in 2012. Johanns is not up until 2014.

The ads, which are slated to run statewide for the next two weeks on broadcast and cable, are aimed at showing wayward Senators that environmental groups are willing and able to put their money where their collective mouths are. Still, with the fate of such legislation still up in the air, the ads' effectiveness is open to question, too.

5. South Carolina Republican Sen. Jim DeMint is making a swing through Colorado next week, where he's slated to stump for Weld County District Attorney Ken Buck (R).

DeMint, who endorsed Buck in mid-April when the Senate hopeful was still considered a long-shot against former Lt. Gov. Jane Norton (R), will appear at a rally in the state next Thursday.

DeMint endorsed Buck because he was "the strongest conservative in the race and had been overlooked by the Washington establishment," said Matt Hoskins, spokesperson for DeMint's Senate Conservatives Fund. Hoskins noted that as of Wednesday night, the PAC was on track to reach its goal of raising $125,000 for Buck ahead of the second quarter FEC filing deadline.

Buck's been on a roll as of late -- buoyed by DeMint's endorsement and a Denver Post poll showing him overtaking Norton, the one-time frontrunner.

Recognizing her underdog status, Norton began airing a radio ad earlier this week in which she slammed Buck as "a government lawyer who doesn't follow the rules."

Democrats have a primary fight of their own between appointed Sen. Michael Bennet faces former state House Speaker Andrew Romanoff.

Both races are set for Aug. 10.

With Felicia Sonmez and Aaron Blake

By Chris Cillizza  |  July 1, 2010; 7:20 AM ET
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Oh I'm sure the Republicans will make huge gains this November and in 2012, but it's got nothing to do with independants. The Democrats are going to lose big, because their base will stay home. We voted for "change" and got more of the same. Just another corrupt, immoral, corporate puppet. We came out in droves in 2008, because we wanted change. So until someone can give us a good reason to show up to the polls again, can demonstrate that the party of the person elected actually makes a difference, most of us will stay home.

Posted by: mullerohana | July 7, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

There are endless reasons to criticize this president. The thing that irks me the most (and with leaders in the Dem Party) is the arrogance, non-transparency, blatant partisonship, under-handedness, corruption, lack of moral/ethical values, and most important an in your face disregard for the will of the American people (except perhaps on financial reform). I think/hope this is a HUGE change election as the people revolt against the fraud that is the president. The DOJ is especially corrupt and the worse we have ever had - a really bad part of our government to go rogue! I am so mad I sometimes get tears in my eyes over the loss of our country to the non-patriots in the admin & congress. Nov 2 - I can't wait & hope for the best!!

Posted by: houjayhawker | July 2, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

The question at this point with UNEMPLOYMENT and the Economy headed back into the toilet why anyone would support Obama and the Democrats in Nov. Its certainly not because they respond well to a crisis like the Gulf, if anything that has pointed out the total incompetence, even negligence, of Obama. Its certainly not because of Afghanistan, we now know what our Generals think of him, and as for foreign policy. If you want Iran to have a nuclear arsenal you should be very pleased? We need massive political change in Nov to end the broken promise, lies, massive corrupt spending, and debt! If not our nation may not recover for generations!!!

Posted by: valwayne | July 2, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

The question at this point with UNEMPLOYMENT and the Economy headed back into the toilet why anyone would support Obama and the Democrats in Nov. Its certainly not because they respond well to a crisis like the Gulf, if anything that has pointed out the total incompetence, even negligence, of Obama. It certainly not because of Afghanistan, we now know what our Generals think of him, and as for foreign policy. If you want Iran to have a nuclear arsenal you should be very pleased? We need massive political change in Nov to end the broken promise, lies, massive corrupt spending, and debt! If not our nation may not recover for generations!!!

Posted by: valwayne | July 2, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"Congress appropriates the spending; we're coming up on four years since Democrats took control of both houses of Congress. How long before just a wee little bit of this huge debt can be attributed partially to them? And blaming Bush for the tragedy in the gulf is no different than blaming Clinton for 9/11.
On who's watch did the events occur?"

Posted by: leafgreen | July 2, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

If independents are moving towards Republicans they should poll and ask why. The Republicans are against Financial Reform, They spoke on behalf of Protecting BP instead of the people of the Gulf, They were against Health care reform and the majority of them are nuts. I would like to know what have the Republican Party done in 2 years to deserve the Independents vote. That should be easy nothing. The Republican Party hasn't done anything since Obama took office but block, and say no to everything and do nothing. So If Independents want to merit Republicans for failure than they will be responsible when things get worst.

Posted by: amosdefnails | July 1, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm an independent, I tend to vote for the candidate and not the party, in most cases I feel both parties have lost their way. The dems are pushed around by the ultra liberals in their party, the repubs are pushed around by the ultra conservatives in their party. That's why nothing is getting done in Washington. Will I vote? Absolutely and like the poll indicates, I'm leaning more away from the dems this year because they have shown they have no idea what real leadership is all about.

Posted by: wbrisett | July 1, 2010 9:46 AM |
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You make me laugh...I can smell the "fakeness" all the way over here. And besides most of the Independent voters are disappointed Republicans so even if they lean towards the Republican the meter won't move...You guys in the Independent party are a joke and only play musical chairs with one another

WHAT THE HELL IS AN INDEPENDENT ANYWAY?

WHAT DO THEY REPRESENT OTHER THAN BEING DIS-SATISTIED WITH THE OTHER TWO PARTIES?

JUST A BUNCH OF REPUBLICANS POSTERING FOR 15 MINUTES OF FAME

Posted by: dove369 | July 1, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

puh-leaze!

I WIPE MY BUTT WITH POLLS ESPECIALLY COMING FROM THIS GUY!

WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WILL GRAVITATE TO A PARTY WHO VOTED NO TO UNEMPLOYMENT EXTENSION FOR 1.3 MILLION PEOPLE....WHILE AT THE SAME TIME SAYING "MR PRESIDENT WHERE ARE THE JOBS!

WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MING WILL GRAVITATE TO A PARTY THAT APOLOGIZE TO A FOREIGN COUNTRY FOR DESTROYING OUR GULF?

WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WILL GRAVITATE TO A PARTY THAT WANT TO PRIVATIZED SOCIAL SECURITY, CUT THE BENEFITS AND RAISE THE RETIRING AGE TO 72?

CHRIS CILLIZZA WILL LOOK LIKE A FOOL THIS FALL AND HOPEFULLY HIS ARTICLES WILL BECOME FEW AND FAR IN BETWEEN

THEY ARE STUPID AS HELL IF THEY THINK THIS KARL ROVE STRAGEDY WILL WORK....

I CALL KARL ROVE THE "200 DOLLAR'S" MAN NOW

Posted by: dove369 | July 1, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

"But blaming Bush is not a solution to our problems."

My mistake, let's stick with the more effective plan on blaming everything on Clinton or Obama.

I said running a bureaucracy is NOT a light switch.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 1, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

bklyndan22 wrote,
"How exactly could Obama have prevented a spill from a rig that blew up? For the moment we'll leave out that it was approved and drilled during the Bush years, and that Darth Cheney's former company Halliburton, screwed up the drill seal. Thanks to 60 years of Republican boot-licking and favor granting, the oil uindustry is largely self-regulating. Look how well THAT'S worked out"


____________________________________

Incorrect

The permit was issued by Obama's people


The well was drilling for only six months prior to the accident - all well in Obama's term.

The entire time, Obama was performing a review of offshore oil drilling - and Obama came back last March - said that the safety and environmental concerns were all OK - and OBAMA SUPPORTED EXPANDED OFFSHORE DRILLING.


If Obama and his people had taken care to make sure the oil rig safety inspections were done properly, the oil spill would have NEVER happened.

case closed.


.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Gee briggy how do you keep your tongue on Bush's boots and your lips on his butt at the same time?

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"So Brigade, the USA will just "come and take what it wants," huh? What refreshing candor. I figured that's what Iraq was really all about."

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Well, some of us were hoping to see something for all the bloodshed. Oil. Plunder. Whatever. Now it looks like the Chinese and others will step in and start developing the Iraqi economy. That's nation-building for you.

Posted by: Brigade | July 1, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

SPO1 wrote,
"the Democrats are stuck saving us from the HUGE MESS Bush/Cheney and the Republican controlled Congress (1994-2006) LEFT FOR THEM!"

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I sure as Hell wish they'd get started. This is 2010. But you're right for reminding us that the surplus Clinton left Bush was the result of budgets passed by a Republican Congress. Maybe this November we can go back to the future. Huh? Huh, Bozo?

Posted by: Brigade | July 1, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD wrote,
"Bush screwed up the country really badly. . ."

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But blaming Bush is not a solution to our problems. Congress appropriates the spending; we're coming up on four years since Democrats took control of both houses of Congress. How long before just a wee little bit of this huge debt can be attributed partially to them? And blaming Bush for the tragedy in the gulf is no different than blaming Clinton for 9/11.
On who's watch did the events occur?

Posted by: Brigade | July 1, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

So Brigade, the USA will just "come and take what it wants," huh? What refreshing candor. I figured that's what Iraq was really all about.

Given the sort of X-signing hillbillies the Army takes now, I wouldn't worry too much.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

This is starting to sound like the Rapture with some econ junk thrown in. I ain't buying.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 4:56 PM
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Haven't you heard? Harold Camping, founder of Family Radio, says the jig is about up. According to his careful scriptural calculations, the Rapture will be in May 21 of 2011---you can't know the hour and minute, but he says you can get it down to the day. He's about 90 but hoping to hang on a bit longer. With all that and now mibrooks27's forecast, I wouldn't wait too long for Vietnam if I were you. Tomorrow is promised to no one.

Posted by: Brigade | July 1, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Jon Stewart actually had a nice montage a few days ago on FOX News talking heads throughout the Bush administration blaming every since problem ranging from 9/11 to the economic collapse on Bill Clinton. And this even stretched to the beginning of Obama's Presidency.

I'm sorry if some people take Boehner's word as gospel, but this economic collapse is no ant. Bush screwed up the country really badly and yeah, we are feeling the effects. If MMS did something in February of 2009, this is 100% on Bush. Not 75% Bush. 100%

A working government is not a light switch. You can't just flip it on. If you want a functioning bureaucracy, you need to put people in office who will maintain it, not people who will let it languish.

And if having a functioning bureaucracy is not important to you, then it's not important to you. Just don't start pretending to have any sympathy for those poor Louisiana fishermen.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 1, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, you like in your black throat.

There have hundreds of thousands of pieces of writing from liberals amateur and professional political writers in protest of Obama's continuance of Bush policies.

You're just being a complete jerk as usual.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse


. . .happily I have a few kilos of the yaller meddle and that may compensate.

No, it's not at my house so don't plan on a surprise visit, guys.

I expect to see very grim news from my country of origin on the TEEvee in my phòng khách trong nhà tôi ở Cần Thợ.

Best of luck in your glorious free market, suckers.

Noacoler
so outa here

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 4:52 PM

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I think you mean a few kilos of weed. If things get as bad as mibrooks27 predicts, we may have to just come to Vietnam and take whaever we want or need. We still have the bigger army you know. Be sure your "house" of bamboo is anchored to a strong tree. A save of couple of kilos for those long nights in hiding when Charlie starts to prowl about.

Posted by: Brigade | July 1, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Excerpts from some of mibrooks27 posts:

"I am quite certain that hey DOW will plunge below 8,000 before the end of the year. SP and other markets will do about the same."

"Following the November elections, the "official" unemployment rate (modified U3 model) will rapidly rise, likely reaching 14% before the end of the year. 2011 will be an unmitigated disaster."

"What you fail to understand, what I at log last understand, is that Obama is a fanatic. He is even more destructive than Bush. His globalization fantasies, seeking to tie China and India to us with economic cords have led to unfathomable destruction of this country."

"We are in the early stages of a depression. I predict an economic collapse unlike anything ever witnessed in this country."

"the Patriot Act and other Bush era laws that they so conveniently have kept and enlarged upon."

"Obama and the morons he has surrounded himself with, the Democratic and Republican leadership are, wittingly or not, setting this country up for an explosion that will make Weimar Republic Germany look downright tame."

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The eternal optimist. Credit for realizing that "the Patriot Act and other Bush era laws" were only bad in the minds of liberals when the Republicans were in power. They're A-OK now that Obama's in the White House. Same thing with the wars. The monthly fatalities in Afghanistan are now reaching the numbers from the worst months of the Iraq war; were trying to nation-build in a country that's never been a nation; and where are the Cindy Sheehans and the Jane Fondas? Where are the protests from Congress? No tough questions for General Petraeus. No Moveon.org ads about General Betray-us this year. No Michael Moore running around asking congressmen if they want their sons in Afghanistan.

As for your economic predictions, I hope things aren't that dire. But you must realize that a large number (not all) of the Obama supporters who post on this blog are not about problems and solutions; they are about rabid partisanship. Even if what you predict comes to pass, they will just blame Bush and the Republicans, and keep right on keepin' on. Having the presidency and large majorities in both houses of Congress doesn't mean you should do more than push for new unfunded government programs does it? Hell, we'll just wait till times get better and then tax our way out of trouble.

Posted by: Brigade | July 1, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

how do you keep your tongue on Obama's boots and your lips on his butt at the same time?

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Is this sort of puerile, prurient imagery really necessary?

Anyway you're lying. The well was approved two weeks after Obama took office. Laying responsibility at his feet is as dishonest as blaming the economic collapse he inherited on him too. Happily, the voters aren't buying this snake oil.

Bush inherited a vibrant economy, applied his reflexive stupid instincts and turned it to manure with tax cuts and wars, and now you lying creeps expect Obama to have it all fixed in two weeks. Maybe this sort of junk works on the sort of sixth grade dropout who's in the tea party but most Americans have whole minds.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

bklyndan22 wrote,
"How exactly could Obama have prevented a spill from a rig that blew up? For the moment we'll leave out that it was approved and drilled during the Bush years, and that Darth Cheney's former company Halliburton, screwed up the drill seal. Thanks to 60 years of Republican boot-licking and favor granting, the oil uindustry is largely self-regulating. Look how well THAT'S worked out"

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You sound like a bonafide nut. The well that blew up was approved by the Obama administration, which also issued waivers for some of the safety regulations. Had BP followed Halliburton's instructions, the rig would not have blown.

Most of the complaints have concerned what was done in the aftermath. Talk about boot-licking; how do you keep your tongue on Obama's boots and your lips on his butt at the same time? It might pay you to do some fact-checking before you post your next rant. Blaming this on Bush doesn't quite cut the mustard.

Posted by: Brigade | July 1, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Countries with long histories of poverty can endure these predicted contractions a lot better than countries where life in the middle class has been the expectation for generations.

When things went bad in 2008 there were a lot of workers in Việt Nam who just went back to Hà Nội or to their villages and a lot of places in TPHCM that put up signs reading phòng cho thuệ looking for new tenants. They rolled with it, and didn't suffer much.

I doubt India will roll as well as China will, but in the US it will be pure unadulterated pain. Up till now our decline as we slowly financialized has been frog in heating water, not many remember that back in the 50s anyone with a job could buy a house and now it takes two working adults to afford a lousy apartment .. suddenly the lukewarm water is boiling and the frogs are going to jump out into the fire. Funny how I keep coming back to that metaphor with mibrooks' posts.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

So everyday 37th gets banned and now he's "flowers of peace"

You are not fooling anyone troll.

Posted by: JRM2 | July 1, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Interesting since Republicans haven't been able to articulate what they would do to fix our nation's problems except move further to the right and double-down on the policies that brought us to this point., I guess it is a vote of protest rather than confidence. I don't think they will be happy with the results though.

Posted by: JRM2 | July 1, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I think the Conscious Man Consultants technique is the ONLY way to reach the Republican voters before they do something stupid like give the Congress back to Republican rule.

NOTE: (Let’s Drug test the Republicans. Y’know, for those pharmaceuticals one takes to FEEL GOOD about voting for those heartless, vile, craven elitist schemers like Orrin Hatch, Jeff Sessions and John Boehner.)

The truth is Progressive spokespersons are just preaching to the choir. The Conservative wackos can’t hear you. Most of them turn you off just with the mention of a name such as Michael Moore, Bill Maher, Rachel Maddow, Randi Rhodes, John Stewart, JESUS, etc…

It doesn’t matter what you say, it doesn’t matter you have legitimate, verifiable evidence to prove them wrong. These shameless Republican hypocrites REFUSE to accept REALITY. The Italian-Americans have name for people like that, Testa Dura, HARD HEADS… lol

Most Republicans/Conservatives simply don’t understand they’ve been played for fools by the very government and corporate leaders they support. Republican Party and Conservative news media talking points are based solely on the IGNORANCE of their constituency or audience. Nothing but hate speech, whiny excuse, hypocritical finger pointing, race baiting, fear mongering, slander, libel, threats and lunacy. And FOX News is owned by the Saudi’s… YOU SUCKERS & FOOLS!

Republican Party = NO RATIONAL STANCE, NO COMMON SENSE, NO CLEAR CUT STRATEGY beyond getting back to POWER!

I wonder if you silver spoon celebrities know what it’s like to be on a construction or other work site stuck listening to the average right-wing maniacs blame Obama and Liberals for all our nations problems. I have to listen to their AM Conservative talk radio, Rush Limbaugh type BS day after day. Instead of Battle of the Bands we have job site Radio wars, trying to get the weak Progressive talk radio signal to overtake the crazy Conservative talk 50,000 watts. But these are the regular guys/gals, I don‘t blame them. These are honest hardworking blue collar workers who just fell for the biggest scam in the history of mankind.

First I listen, then I discuss, then I totally tear apart any argument the Conservative idiots had… It takes a few days of never-ending ridicule and vulgar joking but eventually most to those Republican dummies finally understand how wrong they’ve been and how badly their leaders #*~/ed up their children’s/grandchildren’s FUTURE just so a very few wealthy, powerful silver spoons could make more money…

They talk about the unemployment rate and government spending demonizing Obama/Biden without even realizing the Democrats are stuck saving us from the HUGE MESS Bush/Cheney and the Republican controlled Congress (1994-2006) LEFT FOR THEM! Not like it’s forbidden knowledge or had to find proof what I say is RIGHT! Follow the money and notice the disturbing trends since you idiots voted for George W. Bush.

consciousmc.blogspot.com

Posted by: SPO1 | July 1, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

@mibrooks,

I'm not playing games with you. I just look at it like a businessman. There are a lot of theories out there--have to rank them by those who can set markers and those who can't. You seemed like you had markers. If you are predicting something that can be objectively measured, it bears measurement. If the marker doesn't happen, that should mean something, shouldn't it?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues - You're playing games. Just sit back and watch. I haven't been wrong yet.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | July 1, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

@mibrooks,

If India's contraction is the one you believe you have the best handle on, what will the abrupt decline be in % terms. IF India doesn't contract abruptly by say December, will you revisit your assumptions?

Has your model predicted India's contraction for prior months?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

As far as I'm concerned, the independents are the low IQ group among voters. They don't know what they want. First they didn't want Bush, and now after Bush left Obama so many distractions to clean up and fix, they don't want him. Also, if they think Obama, a moderate, is a liberal, that is proof positive they are lost.

Posted by: vfrankli | July 1, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

"Additionally, polling 6,000 voters with an emphasis on Independents, who are mostly Tea Bagging Republicans is NOT a legitimate survey."


Actually, polling 6000 voters in order to get enough independents to draw conclusions about them makes it a MORE legitimate survey. When I scanned through the methodology this morning, it looked like they were sampling to hit demographic targets, letting the sample's party affiliation / ideology fall out however it may. That is a MORE reliable model than to try to hit targets based on party affiliation.

What is a bit of a stretch is to compare such survey data with focus groups of unknown size held by a partisan research group in a handful of states. That's like comparing a high school essay to a 4th grade book report.

Posted by: bsimon1 | July 1, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of hooey, nonsense, bunk, rubbish, drivel, bull pish, tosh, horse hockey, tommyrot, balderdash, malarky, bs, foolishness, bunkum, huey, hogwash, poppycock, bilge, and a few more things....

...to imply that the Republicans will deliver those things the Independents were expecting from Obama! What a ......

Posted by: kishorgala | July 1, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues - It's rather difficult to predict China's contraction. The model shows a slow motion one, anyways. Figure China has already began its contraction and its growth rate will fall below 3% before the end of the summer. India, on the other hand is pretty easy. India is going to undergo an abrupt contraction before the end of August (but my model says THIS month). There are going to be a lot of US investments that get caught in that, too. Figure a lot of banks that were supposed to loan their money to US small businesses are very suddenly going to find their hands chopped off. Since the chief source of money for this are retirement funds, especially public employee retirement funds, the disaster for state, county and municipal governments is going to be incalculable.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | July 1, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I doubt independents like myself, republicans or democrats are running from the President elect. The same reason we elected him hasn't changed despite the venom of the minority. Everybody knows its a fight for the small to gain total power again. The country has an unnecessarily hard fight, but the path is the correct one. Everybody knows it will take years and unfortunately there is nothing positive coming from any opposition.

Posted by: CTaylor42 | July 1, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler - Actually, NK will be forced to invade the South. The leaders of that failed state have nothing to loose. NK is crumbling and, in the looming global contraction, they will simply not have enough food to feed their people. The choice, from the ruling oligarchy's viewpoint, is between the loss of everything they have as the country revolts, or a roll of the dice in an invasion. They will count on Obama's overwhelming desire for peace and global cooperation and, seeing a defanged US military and bankrupt US, they might just be right. My model predicts this happening next June, but it might be sooner, or a month later. I'd bet the farm on this, by the way.

All of this sounds depressing, but it isn't the result of some doomsday mystical revelation. It is based on cold hard facts and analysis. You asked for a brief summary of what my socio-economic model predicts and I give it. And, you will have to agree, every summation I have provided to date has been accurate. As for survivalism or running of to a cave, it wont work. Events are spiraling out of control. We might be able to prevent a global war, if we are mature and intelligent and forewarned about events, but I don't hold out much hope. People are too wedded to their own immediate self interests, deluding themselves that some miracle will ward of the looming calamity. Well, wishful thinking isn't going to help and the jokes that pass for our "leaders" in Washington are so isolated and basically conservative that they will wait until far too late.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | July 1, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

This article is making a lot of HAY out of nothing. I encourage everyone to go the Gallup Poll to see for yourselves what it actually says:

"Overall, Gallup's generic ballot has shown a virtual tie among all registered voters since March, with an average of 46% saying they would vote Republican and 45% Democratic."

Additionally, polling 6,000 voters with an emphasis on Independents, who are mostly Tea Bagging Republicans is NOT a legitimate survey.

Posted by: BernatvorBernadette5 | July 1, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

The doomsayers bring to mind a great episode in the old Barney Miller sitcom of the 70's, 80's. The scene is of course the detective's group office and Harris has just brought in an elderly couple. They are arguing and the wife says she wants her husband arrested because he has been selling property that's in her name and she never agreed to have him sell those items. The dialogue between them goes something like this:

WIFE
Irving, why did you do it?

HUSBAND
Ethel, don't you know the kind of world that's coming? The dollar and all currencies will fall like domioes; there will be rioting, civil chaos and unrest; brother against brother fighting over a loaf of bread. We have to buy gold and get rid of everything else to be prepared for that day when everything falls apart.

WIFE
But, Irving, what if it doesn't happen?!

HUSBAND
That's just like you, Ethel, always the pessimist!

Sorry but as always the question remains what if it doesn't happen?

Posted by: tzelaney | July 1, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The Independents are angry at Obama - angry that he abandoned his own promises to the American People - in order to grab at the partisan forbidden fruit.

There are so many downticket races which are going to be lost because of Obama this year.

Everybody, everybody - wants to send a message to Obama - and the ONLY way to do that is not to vote for any democrats EVER AGAIN.

Obama has actually saved the Republican party.

We will see how it goes - however the jobs numbers are coming out Friday - all of Obama's fake census numbers are going to come out of the numbers eventually - and the truth about Obama's stimulus.


The democrats have only themselves to blame.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Mike, you had me up to the part about North Korea invading the south. They'd get as far as the first grocery store and there it would end.

This is starting to sound like the Rapture with some econ junk thrown in. I ain't buying.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Well Mike that sounds plausible and alarming enough that I think I'll mail off my CITES permits to the Fish and Wildlife Service this week, in preparation for departure. I've been waiting for the housing market to improve but I may have to settle for a lot less money from the house .. happily I have a few kilos of the yaller meddle and that may compensate.

No, it's not at my house so don't plan on a surprise visit, guys.

I expect to see very grim news from my country of origin on the TEEvee in my phòng khách trong nhà tôi ở Cần Thợ.

Best of luck in your glorious free market, suckers.

Noacoler
so outa here

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Barry Obama continues to ridicule his predecessor. After all running the US is as easy as “community organizing”. But people are now becoming fatigued by the “dopey change”.
Everything that Barry ranted about and blamed is coming back to haunt him. Condemn bush for Guantanamo, Predators, etc. only to adopt those policies and more from Bush.

He preached about the corruption of Republicans , only to keep quiet about earmarks, lobbyists and the sins of Democratic cronies such as Sen. Chris Dodd and Rep. Charles Rangel.

Bush's deficits were supposedly proof of out of control spending. What does far greater red ink say about Obama?

To O, Bush wasn’t smart enough to reach out to countries like Iran and offended our allies,. O did just that, only to make bad things even worse. Why does an arrogant Obama seem to alienate them even more?

The reality of Barack Obama is inexperience. A community organizer , a short-time Senator. Anger at eight years of Bush, an inept McCain, Barry’s bi-racial candidacy, a lying campaign promising centrist and bipartisan approaches , and the financial mess got the O elected.

Many in O’s position would have treaded lightly. They would have kept promises, steered a moderate course and listened more than lectured until they won over the public with real achievement. Arrogant ideologues don’t do that. The fall will be hard. As a liberal he will probably cry about the unfairness of it all and create a new bureaucracy.

Posted by: leapin | July 1, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

@mibrooks,

So 3 markers (or 6) are the inflation and growth rates of the BRIC (include Russia?). And the key is that growth rates will abruptly drop below 8%. That's your keystone assumption? By what date? In other words, if it didn't happen by that date, you would revisit your underlying assumption.

I'm not presuming to argue the outcome you describe, because I couldn't do the argument justice.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

..continued...

On the foreign front, Iceland, Ireland, Spain, Greece, Portugal, a whole series of European governments, are going to fail. And I don't mean just their economies. Any semblance of central authority is going to crumble. That weakness will spell and end to the EU. Look for Sweden, Denmark, Norway to bolt rather quickly and for Germany to give it up before the year ends (2011). In Asia, Burma, Thailand, Cambodia, are going to end up in shooting wars. Israel is all but certain to attempt to take out Iran's nuclear facilities in early 2011, but after November of this year all bets are off. Russia, with an economy in horrible shape, is likely to attempt to regain some of the "lost" territories of the old Soviet Union and China, devoid of the excuse of trade tied with the US, will likely seek to oust us from that region via increasingly aggressive "war games". They may, but this is not certain, invade Taiwan, but the ARE certain to grab the offshore oil fields currently claimed by the Philippines. As the Asian region's economies contract, North Korea is all but certain to attack the South. That will happen in the summer of 2011. Likely June.

Those are my "prognostications". They are based on years of modeling socio-economic trends. I honestly hope I am wrong, but I have, over the years, been depressingly accurate.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | July 1, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I would vote for a community organizer that made Dean's list over a crack head alcoholic that barely passed. Yes.

Posted by: withoutanet | July 1, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The similarity in style between Sharron and Sarah can be confusing what you are composing on the fly.
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The essential difference is that Sarah never ends any sentence. She just takes a breath and keeps going.

Sharron is punchy. Unemployed people aren't spoiled, they're just the subject of spoilage. Get it? Neither do I. Bwhahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

I say, keep Sharron talking. If I had my druthers, I'd have reporters lined up around the equator to interview her. Same with Rand Paul. Talk, talk, talk, Pleeeeeeeease.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing to document such a shift among independents, particularly when the GOP has been recently outed as a party of slogans, not ideas, by the soon-to-be former Republican senator from the state of Utah, Bob Bennett. What Bennett is saying, of course, is that the Republicans opt for style over substance, and now according to Gallup it appears that independents are making the same choice. The image of independent-registered voters is thus tarnished to a degree that they appear as out-of-touch with reality as the tea partiers.

How disheartening.

That the GOP has chosen style over substance is however no surprise; it is a strategy that requires the least amount of effort. Nor is it any shock that a certain portion of the American public is of the same mind. The US is easily the nation most obsessed with the latest trends because its population is so enamored with its own exceptionalist mythos. The consequences of believing one's own hype is nonetheless well-documented, and therefore the numerous crises in which America is buried is unfortunately to be expected, as well as welcomed by our enemies.

One can only hope that this portion of the American public lost in undervaluing substantive policy wake up from their collective pipedream before they allow the GOP to bring about further damage. Certainly, the debacle that was the Bush administration, and its Republican Congressional majority cannot be that far removed from memory.

Posted by: TheghostofLennyBruce | July 1, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing to document such a shift among independents, particularly when the GOP has been recently outed as a party of slogans, not ideas, by the soon-to-be former Republican senator from the state of Utah, Bob Bennett. What Bennett is saying, of course, is that the Republicans opt for style over substance, and now according to Gallup it appears that independents are making the same choice. The image of independent-registered voters is thus tarnished to a degree that they appear as out-of-touch with reality as the tea partiers.

How disheartening.

That the GOP has chosen style over substance is however no surprise; it is a strategy that requires the least amount of effort. Nor is it any shock that a certain portion of the American public is of the same mind. The US is easily the nation most obsessed with the latest trends because its population is so enamored with its own exceptionalist mythos. The consequences of believing one's own hype is nonetheless well-documented, and therefore the numerous crises in which America is buried is unfortunately to be expected, as well as welcomed by our enemies.

One can only hope that this portion of the American public lost in undervaluing substantive policy wake up from their collective pipedream before they allow the GOP to bring about further damage. Certainly, the debacle that was the Bush administration, and its Republican Congressional majority cannot be that far removed from memory.

Posted by: TheghostofLennyBruce | July 1, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"@ceflynline, I assume Sarah Angel = Sharron Angle? Posted by: 12BarBlues""

Then again, Freud does sometimes edit my work. And Sarah Angel has this nice ring of sarcasm to it. Now I wish it were intentional.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 1, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues ---

Okay

India's inflation rate last month was 14.5%. China's was 6%, from everything we can determine. Brazil's was 6.4%. In all of these countries that rate of inflation and interest rates are rising rapidly. Most of the "recovery" engine and where close to 90% of stimulus investments went is in those three countries. The consequence of this is going to be an abrupt end to the 8% plus growth rates of their economies, which is going to negatively impact Wall Street numbers. For example, I am quite certain that hey DOW will plunge below 8,000 before the end of the year. SP and other markets will do about the same. The commodities markets are relatively flat, right now. Most are experiencing negative growth as a result of expectations of the contracting global economies. The break-over point between upward inflationary pressure and downward pressure of economic contractions ought to be hitting within the few weeks, which will kick off a spiral of negative grow and dramatically increasing unemployment in this country.

In order to stem this, and have any chance at all of avoid a catastrophe in November, Obama and his team will tap the 2/3 of unspent TARP money, flooding the country with very expensive temporary jobs. The consequence of this will be about what we have seen with housing rebates -- a temporary uptick that craters when the program ends or when the unsupportable air bubble of government subsidies simply collapses. The Democrat's will be forced to use a nuclear option to get this past the Republican's, who will fully understand what is up, and the machinations of Capitol Hill will wreck havoc with any sort of bipartisan cooperation for years to come.

Following the November elections, the "official" unemployment rate (modified U3 model) will rapidly rise, likely reaching 14% before the end of the year. 2011 will be an unmitigated disaster. US troops will come home from Iraq and prematurely from Afghanistan simply because we cannot afford them. Around half a million, perhaps more, will end up in the job market, unemployed. Due to shrinking tax revenues they will be joined by several million newly unemployed public sector workers. Unemployment (modified U3) will reach 17% by early spring. Real unemployment, measured by the SGS or U6 model, will be at 35% by then. The summer of 2011 will see the beginning of mass protests, street riots, violence, police-government over reaction setting the stage of 2012 elections that will tear this country apart.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | July 1, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about that. The similarity in style between Sharron and Sarah can be confusing what you are composing on the fly.

But the Question, Oh! how lovely that question will prove to be, race after race, over the next 100 days.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 1, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I have real questions about "Self Identified Independents." I know "Independents AND Democrats", so self identified, who have never voted for anyone but a Republican and who will tell you that they NEVER WILL vote for anyone but a Republican. Some Independents. Political self identification ranks right in there with high pressure salesmen for the insincerity of their claims, with high pressure salesmen, of necessity, being somewhat more honest.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 1, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

@ceflynline,

I assume Sarah Angel = Sharron Angle?

If so, Ms. Angle comes from a proud conservative tradition on unemployment benefits. Ronald Reagan said "unemployment insurance is a pre-paid vacation for freeloaders."

California Governor Ronald Reagan, in the Sacramento Bee, April 28th, 1966.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama hasn't governed from the left at all, much less far left, which is exactly why so many of us are disappointed. He's to the right of Nixon and Reagan for chrissake.

Where do you nincompoops get this junk?

Posted by: Noacoler
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Exactly so! I would not go as far to say he is right of Nixon or Reagan. One could say that most of his leaning have been straight down Bush's governing. If I had wanted things to stay the same, I would have voted for McInsane.

Posted by: nallcando | July 1, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Any poll that says Ohio doesn't know Portman is basically defective. SW Ohio remembers him well running for the House, and every GM, Chrysler, Big Steel, Little Steel, whatever worker now on unemployment knows him for where his job went. Just in casde Portman seems hell bent on reminding them, claiming he has been all over the state talking about jobs.

So far no one has asked him about Sarah Angel's theory of unemployment insurance but that won't last. Since he has nothing else to talk about he isn't going to like the next four months.

Even though he is Lt. Governor and therefore subject to the Brown syndrome, (Ohio's many Browns did provide at least one long serving but eminently forgettable Lt. Governor) hes is actually pretty well figured out by almost anyone who will end up voting. The Polls showings are probably mostly voters showing their disgust at the permanent state of political campaigning.

In fact, given the voter burn out on said permanent campaigns, Pollsters probably need to add provisions to measure and account for anti-pollster responses being couched as deliberately contrary answers.

Posted by: ceflynline | July 1, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

And it is still maintained there is an organized group of leftists here - pushing talking points - and perhaps organized by moveon.org or OFA -
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Dude your paranoia is showing. There is no Leftists organizations, just people who are tired of you far Right-wing nut-jobs, who spew hateful lies and fear mongering. Stop your whining please, its embarrassing.

Posted by: nallcando | July 1, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

That so many are disenchanted speaks to the problem with our system: voters don't read independently and see through the hype. Not one thing he's done surprises me. Why should it? Having been a community organizer and never having had a real job should speak volumes to voters. Let's hope it will next time!?!

Perhaps voters, too, will apply similar logic to these members of Congress who are writing laws for us, but have no clue about the subject, let alone the unintended consequences.

Wise up People before it's too late, if it isn't already. It's not the party; it's the person.

Posted by: reebeesthots | July 1, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama hasn't governed from the left at all, much less far left, which is exactly why so many of us are disappointed. He's to the right of Nixon and Reagan for chrissake.

Where do you nincompoops get this junk?

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"Dissatisfaction with Obama appears to be a reason independents favor the Republican Party this year," writes Gallup's Jeffrey Jones.

Many independents were truly tired of Bush and just wanted change.

Now, the change is hurting...

Posted by: deadmanwalking | July 1, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

The reasons why Obama was elected can be debated, but one thing should be fairly certain: he was not elected because voters preferred a liberal ideologue who would govern from the far Left. That cat is now out of the bag and voters can best improve things by returning the country to some measure of two-party government in 2010. That is what drives the sudden preference for the GOP as cited in this story.

Posted by: bubba31138 | July 1, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

“The biggest misreported part of this election is that you have large numbers of independents who went for Obama now going for the Republicans. Not true,” said Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia.

Democratic-leaning independents who turned out big time in 2008 are being compared to a smaller number of conservative-leaning independents this year who likely include a fair number of “Tea Party” attendees, the professor said. The apparent swing among independents is a function of who turned out Tuesday and who didn’t, he said.

While a major storyline coming out of Tuesday’s results has been that skittish moderates abandoned Obama and fled to the GOP out of concerns over rising deficits, there is little evidence in exit polls to support that. Of Obama voters who showed up in Virginia Tuesday, only 12% slid to Republican Bob McDonnell, according to exit polls. With John McCain’s 2008 voters defecting to Deeds at a 5% rate in the same surveys, the net trickle away from Obama is hardly enough to explain, or even substantially contribute to, McDonnell’s 59% to 41% trouncing of Democrat Creigh Deeds.

Posted by: nallcando | July 1, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Once AGAIN, we are talking about 37th. We are not talking about the topic of the thread, nor politics of the day. We are talking about 37th. For the millionth time.

Chris Cillizza, are you listening?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

This just in ... Obama's black ... which matters not ... AND incompetent ... which matters lot ...

Posted by: cunn9305 | July 1, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

FlowersofPeace = 37th.

37th is writing long DUPLICATE posts explaining why he doesn't have to follow the rules and now doesn't know what the rules mean.

Chris Cillizza, are you listening?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Where did this crazy story get started that Democrats voted Obama in because he's black.

I don't know a single person who voted for that reason, including me.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Chris

How about trying to diffuse the situation


Instead - we have gone down a road on which everyone is digging in their heals.

With noacoler running around, how is it that bans should be respected?

With broadwayjoe, ddawd, 12bar, drinl and others making multiple postings - everyday - how is it that "spamming" not get enforced against them too ???


There has been a general atmosphere of no enforcement - to come in - on the SPURRING OF A PARTISAN LYNCH MOB - and suddenly enforce vague rules against one is just wrong.

There has been a great deal of nastiness on this blog over years -


And there has been push-back. Many times push-back is required to stop the leftists from their constant harassment and mocking.

The ratio on this blog is 5 to 1 leftist to conservative - Of Course the conservatives are going to have more posts responding to the leftists.


Now we have a new line of attack - new line of constant attack on this board - that has not diffused anything.


And it is still maintained there is an organized group of leftists here - pushing talking points - and perhaps organized by moveon.org or OFA -


That situation presents challenges to anyone who wants to comment here - because that group is doing its best to make it difficult to comment and to discourage posting.


Clearly - that general atmosphere here has to be recognized.

And yes, it certainly appears as those the lunatics think they are in control of the asylum, deciding who speaks and who doesn't.

.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama did not really win traditional independents, he won young liberals that described themselves as independents but would not have for a Republican in 2008...they might in 2016 and beyond.

Obama's surge voters will not turn out for this election and stopped turning out in Dec. 2008 during the GA Senate runoff. Add to this that the Democratic tide that came in in 2006 and 2008 is receding and the picture is not looking pretty for Democrats in 2010.

Posted by: porterhouse1 | July 1, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Face it: Democrats swept in 2008 because lots of people got caught up in the excitement of "making history" and elected the first black prez.

Now that we've got THAT out of our system...

Posted by: pmendez
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Ahhh NO! We voted out the Republicans because they were tanking America. It is only idiots like you who are making this a black and white thing! Yeah that's me peeking under the white sheet with the pointy hat to expose you.

Posted by: nallcando | July 1, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

@mibrooks,

I've read your posts carefully. It is tempting to dismiss your concerns, but I don't want to do that. I detect the sincerity of your beliefs. If you are right, what objective markers do you predict in the next year? In other words, how would you evaluate your own theories?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I agree that we're headed toward a collapse, Mike, but your solution is to accelerate it. In post after post today you run into the same wall: Obama is a disappointment so let's accelerate the collapse by getting the true free market zombies back into power.

And if you think Obama is some sort of free market fanatic you're seriously on drugs. If we were having this conversation in person I'd have slapped your face by now or tossed a glass of water in it. You have this weird fanatic disconnect going on here.

The Democrats have let us down in myriad ways. The Republicans are nevertheless much worse, they actually WANT a collapse because that makes working people desperate enough to work for calories alone, and that's what the corporations want.

I'm not interested in your reasoning on this. There's something wrong with your mind.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

biffgrifftheoneandonly You are too funny! Obama's job employment rate to date, is better than what Republican President GW Bush had in eight YEARS! So why would we want to vote Republicans back in office? Just more talking points by an American poseur.
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Posted by: nallcando | July 1, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

and I think this whole fiction piece the MSM is tossing out there about Republicans gaining a majority is heading for the trash bin of history.

All the old models are obsolete, anyone, including these "genius" slacker pollsters (R2K, anyone?) who thinks they can gauge the future of politics in this new era is deluding themselves.

It is total DC BS Kabuki.

Anti-progressive Republicans who think they will somehow be able to manage both denying unemployment benefits and homeless vet benefits AND a populist surge are about as delusional as they were when they thought they could cut taxes on the rich and engage in two foreign wars of occupation.

Oh, and how about that immigration reform thingy?

When the Republicans get stuck between their rich-guy "we want cheap labor" profit motive and their teabase's "build that fence higher and longer" mandate, they may just lose not only their base, but all those fickle independents.

Posted by: JEP07 | July 1, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

drindl - I am not being a fanatic. I am desperately looking for some sanity. In the looming collapse I see a right wing movement taking charge that will end women's choice, gay rights, all of those things I have worked hard for all of my life. Worst of all, I see war, conflicts, human suffering on an unimaginable level. We are marching down the path taken by pre-revolutionary France, Rome, Weimar Republic Germany, and the consequences will be the same. God help us if liberals, at least, wake up.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | July 1, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Face it: Democrats swept in 2008 because lots of people got caught up in the excitement of "making history" and elected the first black prez.

Now that we've got THAT out of our system...

Posted by: pmendez | July 1, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Moderators, please pull the plug on "FlowersForPeace" and "tncdel" and every other new moniker that this damned nuisance registers.

It might help if you also deleted all his posts at the same time. We're having some good discussions lately and he's doing everything he can to stop it.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

FlowersofPeace = 37th

37th is writing long posts explaining why he doesn't have to follow the blog rules.

Chris Cillizza, are you listening?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"If there are a group of 5 democrats on this blog who are working together to harass other posters, isn't that a form of "spamming" ?"

I'm back... make that 6.

Posted by: JEP07 | July 1, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, vote in those Republicans that care so very much about we the people. The ones who started the wars that are draining our coffers, the ones who run the corporations and send our jobs to foreign countries, the ones who fight every single bill that would actually help a citizen of the USA, who isn't a millionaire or billionaire, the ones who would send your son or daughter or your son AND daughter to their death for their oil and profit, the ones who hate Obama because he's black and would rather ruin the country that allow him to have any success. Yeah vote for those murderous sleazy hacks. Things will be SO much better. Stupid idiots.

Posted by: dyannne | July 1, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Have the Republicans come up with alternative bills to fix our currant situation? NO! The Republicans do not care about Americans, just Corporations and big business.
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There is one other thing they care about: the moral character of the unemployed. Hence, cutting off unemployment benefits will improve the character of the unemployed, per Sharron Angle. They won't be spoiled any more if they don't have any financial help. I guess this is the Republican version of tough love. Heavy on the tough, light on the love.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse


"What you fail to understand, what I at log last understand, is that Obama is a fanatic."

Mike, I empathize with you, but it is you that is becoming kinda fanatical.

Posted by: drindl | July 1, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"Jan van Lohuizen, a Republican pollster,"

Posted by: JEP07 | July 1, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Chris


We still have received no definition of "fair play"


And we still have no definition of the "spamming" which supposedly is now being enforced.


If there are a group of 5 democrats on this blog who are working together to harass other posters, isn't that a form of "spamming" ?


Again - in the atmosphere of this blog - in which rules have not been enforced in a long time -


And where there are hundreds and hundreds of comments which a reasonable person can agree is offensive.


How can all of a sudden enforcement start taking place ???


This enforcement seemed to have been initiated because of PARTISAN LYNCH MOB - which was an organized effort by the left to silence a point of view.


It is the point of view they don't like - they employ all sorts of tactics to harrass, annoy and mock people - .


Any enforcement should be equal.

And if new rules are suddenly going to be enforced, they should be articulated and explained to everyone - so everyone knows and they apply to everyone.

This is all partisan -


12Bar - grow up


Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

71 days of counting, the worst environmental disaster in America

real time unemployment 22 million americans and counting

BS Photo Ops, teleprompter readings and smug retorts: endless.

How's that hopey changey stuff working out for you? Would you really vote for a community organizer if you could do it all over again? Don't misconstrue a vote for wholesale racial harmony and/or punishing the sins of your forefathers as a valid reason to cast a vote for that fool. We can survive 4 years of this fool but we can't survive a nation of fools who voted for him.

Posted by: biffgrifftheoneandonly | July 1, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

What you fail to understand, what I at log last understand, is that Obama is a fanatic. He is even more destructive than Bush. His globalization fantasies, seeking to tie China and India to us with economic cords have led to unfathomable destruction of this country. He seems to think that we can continue the free trade policies he used to tame the aggressive tendencies of China and India and Egypt forever. In this he is just like the Wall Street brokers who concocted those mortgage schemes based on 8% returns forever. We are rapidly running out of jobs and factories and technology to placate those states and, when we do, and it WILL be soon, the aggression will return with a vengeance. I honestly expect his actions to spark a series of conflicts that will lead to a third world war and Armageddon. So, this isn't some immature act. It is plain out and out survival. All of us, liberals, conservatives, and moderates, are going to pay the price for this man's folly.

Now, most of you know me and know that I model economic trends. I was actually offered a job with the government doing this recently. We are in the early stages of a depression. I predict an economic collapse unlike anything ever witnessed in this country. A lot of this is being held back by government intervention, but it is ultimately unavoidable. We will see massive unemployment, inflation, social unrest. Add in 500,000 or so troops back from the Middle East follies who cannot find work, add in millions of public employees that have lost their jobs due to calamitous reductions in tax revenues, and you have a prescription for riots, national strikes, social unrest on a level no one hear can imagine. Now, this isn't a "maybe", it is absolutely certain. The government is likely to over-react to this, labeling the angry and desperate "domestic terrorists", make use of the Patriot Act and other Bush era laws that they so conveniently have kept and enlarged upon. In the end, I see a series of whiplash moves by the citizens of this country, willing to sacrifice anything to put an end to their agony. That will likely take the form of some movement much much worse than Sarah Palin and the Tea Party. Obama and the morons he has surrounded himself with, the Democratic and Republican leadership are, wittingly or not, setting this country up for an explosion that will make Weimar Republic Germany look downright tame.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | July 1, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Coodeh, that is one thankless job.

Big Oil Republicans want to make sure BP gets off scot-free by blocking investigation -- cowardly and anonymously.

"The idea of granting supboena power to President Obama's oil spill inquiry commission has overwhelming support in the Congress. Just last week, the House voted 420 to 1 to do just that. The lone Republican to object was Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX).

But just yesterday, when Senate Democrats tried to make it official yesterday the same by unanimous consent yesterday, they hit a brick wall in the form of Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC).

DeMint objected, likely delaying the subpoena power for weeks. But he did so not because of his own objections, but was acting on behalf of "members of the Republican conference.""

Posted by: drindl | July 1, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Every bill the Democrats bring, has either been watered down or voted down by the Republicans, even bills that they themselves sponsored. Have the Republicans come up with alternative bills to fix our currant situation? NO! The Republicans do not care about Americans, just Corporations and big business. What Gall! and how low life can a Republican Senator be, than to blame the American people for the very mess, that they themselves caused with 8 years in office. These idiots want to vote the moron Republicans back in to office. This just proves that watching FOX news is detrimental the the health and welfare of all American Citizens.

Posted by: nallcando | July 1, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

FlowersofPeace = 37th

Chris Cillizza, are you listening?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Independents - it is more than Independents - it is everybody.

The damage to the democrats downticket races is going to be massive

Obama has abused the majorities he has in Congress - in order to push through legislation that the American People clearly do NOT want.


Obama promised bipartisanship - and the American People got NO EFFORT - JUST A FEW LAME PHOTO OPS.

Now Obama twists around the words of the Republicans - like the ant comment - the Republican did not call the economy an ant.

The American People demand a little more honesty from Obama - he holds a position - and partisanship has its place, however these partisan speeches are clearly out of line.


The American People do want to here the excuses or lame explanations from Obama - many of these lame comments are repeated by the leftists on this blog.


The democrats have only themselves to blame.

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm an Independent and no one asked me, maybe because I'm unemotional enough to get the big picture about what the President is trying to do, while flying in the face of scurrilous Republicans and gutless Democrats who are letting the media set their mandate.

So I continue supporting the President and will vote for him again should he choose to run, although why he would is beyond me.

Posted by: Coodeh | July 1, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

No, Mike, you're choosing to be nihilistic and self-destructive. We need to pressure the Democrats to go against this tide and make socially-desirable policy more important than corporate profits. Your solution to heading toward the cliff is to step on the gas. Your reasoning is completely f ucked here.

Anyway you know what my solution is .. pics of my new home are up on my FB page, if you care, I'm wrapping up my affairs in the USA. I think it's hopeless, because the USA has become financialized, and no country in history has ever recovered from that, and we won't either. The only thing that could save us now would be a Bolshevik-style pogrom of the financial caste, and do you wonder why we've been indoctrinated so heavily that everything left is wrong?

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I advocate driving a truck through their house, raising hell, making them flat out bleed for their not doing what they were elected to do. Who knows, maybe the Republican's that replace these rats will get the message and enact meaningful protectionist measures.
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The impulse to blow things up almost always exceeds its utility. Somehow, I don't believe the Republicans will do what the Democrats campaigned on.

But, I do detect your very real anger and disallusionment and respect that.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Here the democrats go again:


the democrats are ducking all the issues - and instead they start giving us "someone to hate"

Today it is the "tea partiers" - who the democrats want to tell us to hate.


Not much in terms of the actual issues - the budget deficit, debt - too much spending -

NO the democrats just are telling everyone to hate the tea party.

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Individual liberty is individual power, and as the power of a community is a mass compounded of individual powers, the nation which enjoys the most freedom must necessarily be in proportion to its numbers the most powerful.
John Quincy Adams 'Letter to James Lloyd['October 1,1882']

http://tinkys1941.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!DCD7544ECCB8065F!303.entry

Posted by: edtroyhampton | July 1, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Individual liberty is individual power, and as the power of a community is a mass compounded of individual powers, the nation which enjoys the most freedom must necessarily be in proportion to its numbers the most powerful.
John Quincy Adams 'Letter to James Lloyd['October 1,1882']

http://tinkys1941.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!DCD7544ECCB8065F!303.entry

Posted by: edtroyhampton | July 1, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Most delightful quote from Sharron Angle, in her Jon Ralston interview. When he pressed her whether she really meant that unemployed people are spoiled, she tripped over her tongue trying to retract that by saying:

"What has happened is the system of entitlement has caused us to have a spoilage with our ability to go out and get a job."

Oh, NOW we know what you meant, Sharron.

Bwahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

@12, I wouldn't even bother going that far. This armpeg character writes like he's 12 years old and judging from what he writes, nationalization and tax increases, he suffers from hallucinations. Microwave torture tower junk.

@CC: other than the most determinedly irreverent free-for-all message boards I've been on, every mailing list, message board, and blog has regarded posting under multiple monikers to be an immediate unconditional ban. You know which two posters I'm talking about.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

@mibrooks:

First of all, I'm in 100.00% agreement on outsourcing; I think it should be extremely restricted and illegal in most circumstances, as in prison time; I think profit maximization is immoral, economics is a pseudoscience with appeal to the half-educated and the thick-witted, and I am against free trade.

But that's where we part company. Your response, to vote Republican and support the teabaggers .. are you smoking crack? You're out of your f ucking mind. The GOP is the champion of outsourcing and the tea party is a gaggle of duped useful idiots in the pocket of the corporations.

Yeah we're in the frying pan with this outsourcing junk, and your solution is to leap out into the fire. Grow a brain.

By the way, welcome back.

Posted by: Noacoler | July 1, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

The "comrade" stuff gets sillier the more you use it--what industries have been nationalized nitwit? Does the government control all manufacturing,all financial institutions, all insurance companies, all hospitals and doctors, all with central planning? Clearly, you're a confused soul;
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Actually, our resident genius, armpeg, said Comrade Obama had nationalized private companies.

Now try as I might, I can't think of a single company which has been nationalized. How about anyone else? Do the names of those nationalized companies come to mind?

What I can remember is the "spoilage"* due to the financial collapse. Some companies went belly up (Lehman) and others would have gone belly up, but were acquired by other banks (Merrill, WaMu). But nationalized? I don't remember any of those.

*New concept coined by Sharron Angle trying to retract how the unemployed are spoiled. No, they are not spoiled. There is just spoilage. Bwahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

It's not just Independents who are moving towards Republicans and away from Comrade Obama. It's everybody who isn't a far left radical liberal Democrap Socialist or a Obama tribal member.
When a total unknown Republican like Scott Brown wins Ted Kennedy's long-held Senate seat in the most far left liberal Democrap Socialist State of Massachusetts, and Republican Chris Christie wins the governorship of New Jersey, another far left wing liberal Democrap Socialist stronghold, the handwriting is on the wall.
Add to that:
* Comrade Obama's now 71 day long oil spill screw up.
* Comrade Obama's bad economy due to his Communist policies of redistributing all wealth and nationalizing private companies.
* His racist anti-white agenda of covering up the Voter intimidation New Black Panther case in Philly.
* The unemployment numbers at 10%, with even worse numbers comming after July when the census workers hit the unemployment lines.
* The job creation numbers getting ever worse, as hardly any jobs, exept government ones, get created.
* Senior citizens and disabled Americans not getting COLA (Cost of Living Increases) adjustments in their SS checks this year, AND NEXT YEAR--something that's never happened before since they started back in 1975.
* Comrade Obama's comming massive tax increases on just about everybody (somebody has to pay the Piper)when all his Communist programs have to be paid for.

About the only voters Comrade Obama will have left by the midterms and 2012 is the Democrap Socialist hardliners and his racist tribal members, who'll vote for him even if he governs like Idi Amin, Adolph Hitler, or Joe Stalin.
The midterms will be fun.

Posted by: armpeg | July 1, 2010 1:54 PM


Ah, the knuckleheads are out in force...

How exactly could Obama have prevented a spill from a rig that blew up? For the moment we'll leave out that it was approved and drilled during the Bush years, and that Darth Cheney's former company Halliburton, screwed up the drill seal. Thanks to 60 years of Republican boot-licking and favor granting, the oil uindustry is largely self-regulating. Look how well THAT'S worked out;

The "comrade" stuff gets sillier the more you use it--what industries have been nationalized nitwit? Does the government control all manufacturing,all financial institutions, all insurance companies, all hospitals and doctors, all with central planning? Clearly, you're a confused soul;

A guy who has a white Mom was raised by white grandparents but has a black father, HE has an anti-white agenda? HE is the guiding light of the New Panther Party? Show ANYTHING resembling a fact on this. He has engaged in voter intimidation--coming from a Republican, this is a side splitter (see Florida 2000, Ohio 2004, Alabama 2008)

What massive tax increases are you referring to? the ones doing laps in your tiny little mind? You want to hate Obama, that's your privilege--but your claims takes absurd to new levels. Learn ideologies-then talk.

Posted by: bklyndan22 | July 1, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Why talk to him 12Bar? Nothing he has ever said makes a lick of sense.

Posted by: drindl | July 1, 2010 2:09 PM
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You may think I'm talking to him. Really, I'm talking about him.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Independents..meh. Just republicans who want attention that's all. I love how Cilliza lives for any generic polling well in advance of actual voting and how wingnuts flock to ones that help their narrative. All that polling in 2008 that spelled doom for Obama and yet only one person got it right and it isn't anyone on WAPO's payroll.

Posted by: LABC | July 1, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

@tncdel,

I'm not saying all Indies are Tea Partiers, but as significant portion are. But forget the Tea Party.

Since your issue seems to be illegal immigration, I am puzzled why, in Arizona which is ground zero for the illegals issue, that John McCain is about 18 points ahead of Hayworth. The latest Magellan poll has him ahead by 23 points. http://www.pollster.com/polls/az/10-az-sen-reppr.php

Isn't John McCain tarred with the amnesty issue? Isn't JD Hayworth identified with the anti-illegals issue? Why are Arizonans polling for McCain and against Hayworth?

I am truly puzzled by that.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

"Obama and his treachery to give amnesty to the over 20 million illegals in the USA."


Citations please. Thanks in advance.

Having said that, I agree with your point about the TEA people - the group is not a monolith. Instead the label serves as a proxy for the manifold groups who are frustrated with the status quo, blame the current party in power and have found that their bellicose rhetoric is resonating with Repub leaders who are trying to find their lost mojo.

Posted by: bsimon1 | July 1, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Why talk to him 12Bar? Nothing he has ever said makes a lick of sense.

Posted by: drindl | July 1, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

'democrap socialist' --LOL. It really doesn't get more infantile than that. Sounds like someone got 'left behind' in kindergarten.


Here's crazy teatard Rick Barber's loony ad -- it's good for a laugh.


http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/07/01/the-barber-of-civil/

Posted by: drindl | July 1, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

It's not just Independents who are moving towards Republicans and away from Comrade Obama. It's everybody who isn't a far left radical liberal Democrap Socialist or a Obama tribal member.
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I know you speak in code, but who is an Obama tribal member?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I see some posters here trying to say it's a Tea Party thing. When actually the Tea Party is just one of many groups opposed to Obama and his treachery to give amnesty to the over 20 million illegals in the USA.

I have no ties to the Tea Party. Nor am I a Republican. And anyone whose thinking is a slave to partyline rhetoric is an obstacle to what's best for our country.

Posted by: tncdel | July 1, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

FlowersOfPeace, Then blame your Senator! It is they and Congress who make laws and not the President.

Posted by: nallcando | July 1, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

It's not just Independents who are moving towards Republicans and away from Comrade Obama. It's everybody who isn't a far left radical liberal Democrap Socialist or a Obama tribal member.
When a total unknown Republican like Scott Brown wins Ted Kennedy's long-held Senate seat in the most far left liberal Democrap Socialist State of Massachusetts, and Republican Chris Christie wins the governorship of New Jersey, another far left wing liberal Democrap Socialist stronghold, the handwriting is on the wall.
Add to that:
* Comrade Obama's now 71 day long oil spill screw up.
* Comrade Obama's bad economy due to his Communist policies of redistributing all wealth and nationalizing private companies.
* His racist anti-white agenda of covering up the Voter intimidation New Black Panther case in Philly.
* The unemployment numbers at 10%, with even worse numbers comming after July when the census workers hit the unemployment lines.
* The job creation numbers getting ever worse, as hardly any jobs, exept government ones, get created.
* Senior citizens and disabled Americans not getting COLA (Cost of Living Increases) adjustments in their SS checks this year, AND NEXT YEAR--something that's never happened before since they started back in 1975.
* Comrade Obama's comming massive tax increases on just about everybody (somebody has to pay the Piper)when all his Communist programs have to be paid for.

About the only voters Comrade Obama will have left by the midterms and 2012 is the Democrap Socialist hardliners and his racist tribal members, who'll vote for him even if he governs like Idi Amin, Adolph Hitler, or Joe Stalin.
The midterms will be fun.

Posted by: armpeg | July 1, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Another nutty teatard -- alabama R Rick Barber running ads equating taxation as 'slavery.'

There are images of slaves, concentration camps, and the like that flash after Barber gets an Abe Lincoln impersonator to agree that taxes are the same as slavery. Barber has been criticized, not inappropriately, for this.

In today’s political world, when someone says something cray, it’s treated as a “gaffe” or an example of insufficient civility. But the truth is that some candidates, especially Tea Baggers, really do believe in very crazy things. Barber and Rand Paul aren’t just mistake-prone or uncivil or angry, they’re something far worse: candidates with insane, irrational political views."

Posted by: drindl | July 1, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Eric Holder should resign over the Black Panthers case.


This is a serious Equal Protection case.


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

You are too low IQ to understand what a 'normal' American is. another 'charly' -- thanks for that koolkat -- spot on.

Posted by: drindl | July 1, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

We haven't heard much from the anti-war movement.


Are the wars over?


Were the anti-war people protesting war or where they protesting Republicans ?

Because they haven't been protesting yet.

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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Flowers for peace should change his name to Flowers for Algernon, since he's as retarded as Charly.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 1, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cilizza -- as you can see, 37 is baaack-- as 'Flowers of peace' -- up to his same old trick of boring us all to death.

Posted by: drindl | July 1, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Any "normal" American realizes that the failed community organizer failed for a reason. He's not a leader, he's lazy, he's incompetent, and most of all, he's a manchild.

Adios Biden/Obama. "ONE AND DONE"

Posted by: cschotta1 | July 1, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Lindsay Graham's sees it clearly:

"Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) has some tough words for the Tea Party movement in a new profile in the New York Times: You have no vision, and you'll die out.

"The problem with the Tea Party, I think it's just unsustainable because they can never come up with a coherent vision for governing the country. It will die out," said Graham, who has come under fire from the right for being moderate and compromising with Democrats.

Graham also said he challenged a group of Tea Partiers in a meeting: "'What do you want to do? You take back your country -- and do what with it?'...Everybody went from being kind of hostile to just dead silent."

"We don't have a lot of Reagan-type leaders in our party. Remember Ronald Reagan Democrats? I want a Republican that can attract Democrats," Graham also said, adding: "Ronald Reagan would have a hard time getting elected as a Republican today."

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/lindsey-graham-the-tea-party-movement-will-die-out.php?ref=fpblg

Posted by: drindl | July 1, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

nallcando


It doesn't matter - Obama made a specific assurance to people who make under $250,000 - and Obama has made himself a liar.


It is solely under Obama's control whether he sticks to his own word or not.

So Obama lied -


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

When will liberals stop demonizing businesses and attacking the evil "Wall Street"? We need jobs, people! Businesses provide jobs, and the only thing that will get us out of this economic mess is to employ people so that they have money to spend, creating demand for goods and services, and pay taxes. We have to encourage businesses to establish, grow, and stay in the U.S. That means less regulation (i.e., less government making it impossible to do business) and lower corporate taxes. I would be for eliminating corporate taxes altogether. Corporate taxation is a myth anyway: it all gets passed on to the consumers (i.e., you and me).
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Where the heck have you been living? This is not the first time the Banks have tanked. This is why Roosevelt put in place very strict regulations to stop the greed of Banks and Wall street. Because past Presidents systematically removed these regulations, are why once again the Banks failed! Henry Ford, best known for using and making mass-produced parts, paid his workers $5 per day -- twice what Chrysler and Chevrolet were paying. What did that give him? High wages equaled high production -- equaled high profits. He was smart enough to know that his workers were potential customers. It is small business owners who hire the most people and is they who are the back-bone of America, NOT corporations. Yet the Corporations are the one's who get all the tax breaks!

Posted by: nallcando | July 1, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Hayworth is over, the same will be true with Rand and Angle. Once voters really understand how completely insane the baggers are, they will reject them all.

Posted by: drindl | July 1, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm NOT a Republican. I'm registered Independent.

And I am definitely NOT voting for Obama.

In fact, I just got done speaking with aides at my senators and rep's offices, asking them to IMPEACH and PROSECUTE Obama.

And here's a letter I just sent the White House:

"What is going on?

Arizona is in the midst of a struggle for its survival.

The President has issued a warning to U.S. citizens to stay out of three Arizona counties the size of the entire State of Delaware that has been taken over by Mexican nationals drug gangs.

But, instead of sending in the troops to liberate those counties, or to uphold and enforce immigration law, President Obama is SERVING FOREIGN NATIONALS HERE ILLEGALLY,

by filing a lawsuit against Arizona's immigration law,

and by trying to slip amnesty past the overwhelming majority of voters OPPOSED to amnesty.

The President needs to do a complete 180 degree about-face from advocating amnesty.

And he also needs to SUPPORT Arizona, not make things harder for them by supporting illegal aliens, as he has been doing.

More and more voters are seeing the President as a TRAITOR to our country. And an ever-growing cry for his IMPEACHMENT.

Someone in the administration needs to give the President a wake-up call.

Before he was elected President, he promised to "bring the troops home."

A GREAT idea!

And he should re-deploy the troops, after bringing them home. to defend America against the over 20 million illegal alien invaders."

Posted by: tncdel | July 1, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Jake3D must be exhausted from channeling that Republican juggernaut!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | July 1, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Jake3D must be exhausted from channeling that Republican juggernaut!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | July 1, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

This is a possible sign that the Tea Party surge is ebbing, and also shows the strange results of some Rasmussen polling.

In the Rand Paul/Conway race in Kentucky:

Rasmussen's April 28 poll has Rand +9
............May 19 poll has Rand...+25
............June 1 poll has Rand...+8
............June 28 poll has Rand..+7

So what's up with that 16 point swing in May, then 17 point swing back the other way two weeks later.

Something is odd about that, when every other pollster has Rand between +1 - +6 during the same time frame.

http://www.pollster.com/polls/ky/10-ky-sen-ge-pvc.php

Still early days, but the idea that Rand Paul is running away with the race is not yet proven. Looks like it's tightening, even in Rasmussen polling.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

The Teatards are nothing but a bunch of angry empty heads propagandized and funded by corporate interests plus a collection of assorted other loonies like assault weapon lovers -- they don't know what they want or beleive in, and they are going nowhere but into oblivion.

Give it up 37, 'flowers' LOL.

Posted by: drindl | July 1, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Since the ONLY party that is completely opposed to outsourcing is the Tea Party, and since most people, given a choice between starvation, the loss of EVERYTHING, your silly liberal or conservative ideology, or an end to the nightmare of free trade, will choose the latter, you had better get used to the Tea Party or something a lot worse. Now, we are entering a full scale DEPRESSION. The amount of human suffering, the destruction of our institutions, the undermining of government, is going to be incalculable. Obama knew, full well knew, this was coming. He PROMISED to put some curbs on job outsourcing. So the did the entire Democratic Party. They dithered and squandered their political capital on a bunch of non-essential nonsense. Heck, they still are! So, unless you are both stupid and blind you had better plan on sending a message to Obama and his foolish free trade wrecking crew, because the alternative is going to be a catastrophe for liberalism. I repeat, no one with the survival instincts of a lemming, right center or left. will do anything other than vote AGAINST Democrat's across the board.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | July 1, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Flowers of Peace = 37th

Will you never give up, 37th? Wait, I know the answer to that: NO.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"WHAT !!!"

O'ConJob, Mr. Transparency, The King of Hope and Change, Mr. ObamaHealthCare, The Liar in Chief, The Narcissistic Man Child playing in the Oval Office, O'BlahBlah, Shakedown Little Al Capone Jr. and ETC. !!!

I'm in SHOCK !!!

It so unbelievable !!!

WHAT took them SO Long !!!

WE told THEM this BEFORE the Election !!!

Nice to see THEM coming back down to earth where the Realistic People live their lives !!!

Posted by: thgirbla | July 1, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

It's ironic that Rob Portman should have his service as USTR seen as a liability.

Association with George W. Bush is certainly not a plus in Ohio, but while Portman was in most respects the least impressive of the three people who served as Trade Representative under Bush -- partly because he held the position for a shorter period of time than the other two -- his performance there was creditable. In fact, a curious fact about a Bush administration that appointed many people who were far out of their depth to important positions is that it filled the USTR position with genuine heavyweights, distinguished not only by their talent but by their expertise in trade issues. This is one are in which President Obama has not done as well.

Posted by: jbritt3 | July 1, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Obamataxes start today - 10% on tanning.

A tax on the young - that makes sense.

Is that interstate commerce ? tanning ?


Obama promised that he would not tax ANYONE making under $250,000 a year -

Are those making under $250,000 EXEMPT from the tanning tax ?


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace
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OMG is this the best you could come up with a tax on TANNING? The tax is suppose to help like the tobacco tax, to curb skin cancer in young adults. It has nothing to do with garnering monies. Only about a third of the taxes with go to the States, the rest will go to Hospitals, clinics and Cancer research. Talk about grasping for straws!

Posted by: nallcando | July 1, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

When will liberals stop demonizing businesses and attacking the evil "Wall Street"? We need jobs, people! Businesses provide jobs, and the only thing that will get us out of this economic mess is to employ people so that they have money to spend, creating demand for goods and services, and pay taxes. We have to encourage businesses to establish, grow, and stay in the U.S. That means less regulation (i.e., less government making it impossible to do business) and lower corporate taxes. I would be for eliminating corporate taxes altogether. Corporate taxation is a myth anyway: it all gets passed on to the consumers (i.e., you and me).

And we have to stop expanding the government. Government bureaucracy and more government workers just eats tax revenue and produces nothing. Nothing!

The Democrats are running around doing the opposite of all this and reaping the results (while blaming Bush because the Democratic Congress had absolutely nothing to do with it). Then they think doing more of the same will solve the problems they just created and exasperated. Are they blind, deaf, stupid, and/or insane? And then they wonder why no one wants to vote for them except the other people who think the way they do.

It's maddening.

Posted by: lashadow1 | July 1, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

It ought to be obvious, by now, but this country is being flushed down the toilet by the free traders in Washington and New York. No country has EVER survived the outsourcing of it's manufacturing and technological capacity. Rome fell because of it. The French Revolution resulted from it. And Weimar Germany was crushed as a result of it. If these fools keep it up, and I assume they will, they will contribute to the creation of an All American Hitler, because the voters, already 82% of them, want free trade ended, want to bring back trade tariffs, duties, fees, punitive taxes on investors, that offshore jobs, that have their goods or services produced offshore. It's as plain as the nose on your face — the average hourly cost of an Indian or Chinese worker is $0.91 an hour. It takes three to five times that amount just to pay for the infrastructure cost of a US worker. Now, I am assuming that you will not tolerate raw sewage running down the streets, don't want police replaced by armed troops, don't want to do away with healthcare for the poor and middle class, don't want children sent down sewer pipes to clean out blockages because it is cheaper than machinery, don't want to end public education, and are willing to allow our highways, electrical grid to fall into rubble due to lack of maintenance, do not want an oligarchy running the country, so you are going to have to have that infrastructure money. Likewise, due to the differences in food and housing costs, no US worker can even survive on the wages that Indian and Chinese peasant earn... or even ten times it. But we allow, we encourage!, companies like Apple and Dell and IBM and GM to move their manufacturing and jobs to those countries. We do not charge them on dime in duties, tariffs, or fees. Apple drop ships their new Mac's from Shanghai directly to the US. I don't even think the government tracks or otherwise knows how many of them end up here. The same is true of clothing, shoes, kitchen appliances, automobile parts. You cannot even find a pair of shoes not made in China any more.

It may be a mystery to Obama's lemmings, but it isn't to us. This country is being systematically looted by both the government and by private industry. The government found our jobs to be a handy bribe with which to buy support for whatever foreign policy nonsense is popular at the moment. Fools like President Obama apparently believe that this systematic gutting of our jobs and manufacturing capacity is somehow creating a tied together and, thus, more peaceful world. Corporations, especially big corporations, are caught up in a competitive suicide run where they must chase every lower production costs, not for lower consumer prices, because those HAVE NOT been a result of outsourcing, for for greater investor returns, especially greater returns for the public employee pension fund Ponzi schemes, but also for blind greedy executives that have established outlandish compensation packages as their "due".

Posted by: mibrooks27 | July 1, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The generic ballot should read Democrat vs. Teatard.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | July 1, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Rasmussen picks up on the trends months before other pollsters.
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What trends? We talking about polls that swing maybe 16 points then swing back the other way 16 points. What kind of trend is that?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

This is such BS, nothing could push me into the arms of the Repugs. Certainly not the party of NO! How can these idiots who spent our taxes like drunken sailors, in the worst 8 years of Republican control in America's history. Now turn around and try and convince us that they are fiscally responsible! Now that is funny...They broke America's Middle class in two, in there greedy bidding's for Corporations. For 8 years Republicans were behind the eight ball on job Creation. the Republicans could not keep up with the average amount of jobs per year. What nerve calling an unemployed Citizen, Hobo's, Lazy, and spoiled? I guess trying to keeping your children fed with a roof over there heads has spoiled us. I have to say, that with the little time Obama has been office he, in my opinion has done a pretty good job of keeping our heads above the Repugs oily water line. Absolutely NO! will I an Independent voter, vote in another Creepy Republican for anything higher than dog catcher.

Posted by: nallcando | July 1, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

This is such BS, nothing could push me into the arms of the Repugs. Certainly not the party of NO! How can these idiots who spent our taxes like drunken sailors, in the worst 8 years of Republican control in America's history. Now turn around and try and convince us that they are fiscally responsible! Now that is funny...They broke America's Middle class in two, in there greedy bidding's for Corporations. For 8 years Republicans were behind the eight ball on job Creation. the Republicans could not keep up with the average amount of jobs per year. What nerve calling an unemployed Citizen, Hobo's, Lazy, and spoiled? I guess trying to keeping your children fed with a roof over there heads has spoiled us. I have to say, that with the little time Obama has been office he, in my opinion has done a pretty good job of keeping our heads above the Repugs oily water line. Absolutely NO! will I an Independent voter, vote in another Creepy Republican for anything higher than dog catcher.

Posted by: nallcando | July 1, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Another Tea Party race:

In the Nevada Senate race, where Harry Reid has had trouble getting over 40%, is tightening. Reid is edging up over 40%. Angle who was leading Reid by double digits is now only about +5.

Anyone want to make a guess whether Ms. Angle's recent interview with Jon Ralston will raise or lower her popularity?

The Tea Party is standing behind Ms. Angle four square, but they don't seem to be enough, at least if one believes the polls.

It's still early days, but I'll bet this race is going to get very tight indeed. It will not be the runaway that some thought when Ms. Angle won her runoff.

I think the Tea Party surge has surged and is now ebbing.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

This is such BS, nothing could push me into the arms of the Repugs. Certainly not the party of NO! How can these idiots who spent our taxes like drunken sailors, in the worst 8 years of Republican control in America's history. Now turn around and try and convince us that they are fiscally responsible! Now that is funny...They broke America's Middle class in two, in there greedy biddings for Corporations. For 8 years Republicans were behind the eight ball on job Creation. the Republicans could not keep up with the average amount of jobs per year. What nerve calling an unemployed Citizen, Hobo's, Lazy, and spoiled? I guess trying to keeping your children fed with a roof over there heads has spoiled us. I have to say, that with the little time Obama has been office he, in my opinion has done a pretty good job of keeping our heads above the Repugs oily water line. Absolutely NO! will I an Independent voter, vote in another Creepy Republican for anything higher than dog catcher.

Posted by: nallcando | July 1, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Vigor

Chris reports on the strategies of both parties


So leave him alone.

Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"I'm NOT a Republican, but I certainly won't be voting for Obama.

Obama is a TRAITOR serving FOREIGN NATIONALS HERE ILLEGALLY."


Sure 37....

Posted by: BobSanderson | July 1, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Who had the Worst Week? The unemployed:

"For the third time in as many weeks, Senate Republicans yesterday “successfully filibustered a bill to continue providing unemployment checks to millions of people.” While two Republicans voted for the measure, Democrats were one vote short of the 60 needed to end the filibuster. "

Posted by: drindl | July 1, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Obamataxes start today - 10% on tanning.

A tax on the young - that makes sense.

Is that interstate commerce ? tanning ?


Obama promised that he would not tax ANYONE making under $250,000 a year -

Are those making under $250,000 EXEMPT from the tanning tax ?


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Posted by: FlowersOfPeace | July 1, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse


Rasmussen picks up on the trends months before other pollsters. Rasmussen was the first to show Barry below 50% approval. Now all the other polls show the same thing. Same with loss of independents' support for Barry, and also the generic ballot favoring the Republicans.

If you don't like what Rasmussen is saying today, wait a bit, and Gallup will soon be saying the same thing. This has happened time after time.

Posted by: screwjob16 | July 1, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I am getting pretty skeptical about one section of the Independents: Tea Partiers.

In Arizona Senate Republican primary, JD Hayworth's campaign appears to be over. Hayworth is the crown prince in the Tea Party circles. McCain, who is probably the ultimate RINO in Republican eyes, is now 18 points ahead and increasing his lead.

Glenn Beck, who is the godfather of the Tea Partiers, now proclaims that Hayworth's campaign is over. My guess is that Beck stuck his finger into the wind and detected the direction, and decided to bail on Hayworth now.

I just don't see the Tea Party surge. It looks like it's subsiding in Arizona and Florida.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

If Obama goes ahead with his treachery of trying to slip amnesty for the over 20 million illegals past the voters, the overwhelming majority opposed to amnesty, you will see many Democrats becoming Republicans as well.

I'm NOT a Republican, but I certainly won't be voting for Obama.

Obama is a TRAITOR serving FOREIGN NATIONALS HERE ILLEGALLY.

Arizona is having a terrible battle for survival against illegal alien invaders, who have already taken over three counties the size of the State of Delaware. And what does Obama do? Instead of sending in the troops to liberate those counties, and to uphold and enforce the law, that TRAITOR instead files a lawsuit against Arizona's immigration law!!!

That TRAITOR needs to be IMPEACHED right NOW. Not wait till 2012 to vote him out of office. He will do too much irreversible harm to let him stay another 2 years.

I urge everyone to call their senators and reps, demanding that they IMPEACH and PROSECUTE Obama.

Obama has committed countless CRIMES. For federal law says it's a felony CRIME, punishable by 5 years prison and $5,000 fine EACH count, to aid or abet, or to encourage or harbor, an illegal alien ... as Obama has been doing.

See:
http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/AidAbetUnlawfulSec8USC1324.html

Perhaps Obama has a vested interest in giving illegal aliens amnesty, if he himself is an illegal alien with a fake birth certificate. But even if he is truly a U.S. citizen, then that makes his a TRAITOR to our country, who has committed numerous CRIMES while in office.

PROSECUTE Obama!!!

Posted by: tncdel | July 1, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

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RE: July 1st Newshole fillers

1)We are no longer pushing the Tea Party meme. Sharron, Rand and etc over edge. Still get those wackos to the polls for us anyway and celebrate them enough to keep them corralled in the tent. Be creative! WTF is going on with that Cuban Rubio? Will we have to walk him across the line even with the Tea Party?

2)We are no longer pushing ant-incumbent thing nationally-it cuts both ways. Push selectively! Hit Reid hard on it(Angle promised to hide but broke promise). Pelosi is a monster! Believe it in our fall attack program. (Push Year of Republican Woman and Year of Black/Brown(Nikki!)Republican! RNC Michael Steele great job stampeding media on this! Hope not too many get elected - how would we be different from Dems? Kind of liking Party of NO sounds like firm DAD!

3)Some real polls (not Rasmussen :))
have swung in our favor not just the insider ones The Fix publishes for us on a daily basis. Push these new numbers! What are those independents thinking? Thank god Jesus is on our side.

4)Health Care Reform going south for us! There are always some numbers that favor us see The Fix's spin on the Kaiser poll for how easy this is. Shout out to Chris!
If was can get through 2010 elections with HC Reform being dangerous for mankind it will be worth it. We will get back to you for 2012 on this.

5)We buried Weigel but like Lazarus he was resurrected on MSNBC. F@ck them: if they only had viewers (snark alert) We can talk trash and be street when it is necessary since Steele.

6) Cillizza dial back! They are on to you. Check with Chuck T. on how to do this better. Bore them when in doubt! Push anti-Israel cover to distract for now.

Posted by: jake3D | July 1, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Leave it to the Lame stream media to tell you what happened a yr ago!

Posted by: houston123 | July 1, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Let's see. The Party of NO and the Party of It' Not Our fault.

Well, now, what a wonderful choice but you see, I hate whining and that is all Obama and his We Are Not Responsible for our own actions party have used up their whining period

The President does not focus on what he should and is so busy taking out after the Supreme court in a State of the Union Address, doing call outs during a shooting crisis and doing nothing Presidential except let us know that he is the President and that if you don't like it he is coming after you and his own idiot Congress calls the Americans that voted them in Un-American, Nazi's and evil mongers.

Now WHY would anyone run from that?

Oh yeah the Obamedia is always covering up for all of them and making it OK to show contempt for the people they work for

Posted by: ieklein | July 1, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Where do I get me one of these ballots with a checkmark for "General Republican" on it?

Posted by: mattintx | July 1, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

If the Republicans return to power they will complete their war on the middle class and finish handing the country over to the corporations.

Are these people even aware of the types of candidates Republicans are running - either for Congress or potential Presidential candidates.

Those Tea Party candidates are plain nuts. And do we really want to be saying President Palin, or President Pawlenty, or President Santorum, or even President Romney?

I'm not happy with everything Obama has done or hasn't done, but the alternatives are unimaginable.

Don't these people remember which party got us in this mess to start with?

There's a great article by Robert Parry that reminds us of the history of Republicans when a Democrat is the President:

"A Method to Republican Madness"

Excerpt:

. . .the Republicans believe they can reclaim the lucrative levers of national authority by making the country as ungovernable as possible while a Democrat is in the White House, essentially holding governance hostage until they are restored to power. Then, the Democrats are expected to behave as a docile opposition “for the good of the country” (and usually do).

and this:

"In all four cases – covering the last four Democratic presidencies – the Republicans did not behave as a loyal opposition but rather as a single-minded political enemy that viewed the White House as its birthright and Democratic control of the Executive Branch as illegitimate."

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/033110.html

Posted by: FauxReal | July 1, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Any Democrat looking at the Midterms and the 2012 General Election better start thinking about a new career. Obama has poisoned the well for any and all Democrats and the American public wants to throw the whole lot out.......especially the feckless, socialist community organizer.

Posted by: Realist201 | July 1, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

This is yesterday's news, pal!

Independents have done run off the ObamaNation plantation.

Now Obama is in the process of shedding Democrats.

Obama is right on track to becoming another one term wonder.

Maybe Obama's mentor, Jeremiah Wright, could give him some more mentoring.

Posted by: battleground51 | July 1, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

So, does this fit into the Independents are leaning Republican meme.

In the Florida Senate race, Crist, the Independent, continues to increase his lead over Rubio, the Republican. The lead which is now +5, and has been increasing since mid April.

As I remember, Crist is the former Republican who was jilted by the R. party for Tea Party candidate Rubio.

Seems more like Republicans are leaning toward the Independents, than the reverse.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | July 1, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

MMeyers, I'm glad someone here shares my disdain of capricious independents. There is such a stark differences between the two parties and it's not like the positions have changed all that much in the past 30 years.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 1, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the best thing to do is re-elect the party that brought us deregulation and financial ruin, lowered taxes on the rich so every state is about to go under, our infrastructure is collapsing, schools are lower rated than most third world countries (stupidity works well for the Republican Party), the middle class pays more taxes than any time in US history, social security has been robbed ( the senate minority leader, yesterday, said he wants to use social security to finance the war in Aphganistan) and our environment is being turned into a wasteland of corporate garbage, chemicals, and sewage.

Thank you, you great defenders of the American way-- you destroyed it.

Posted by: morenews1 | July 1, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

squier13@9:49 -- that last election in Virginia could be called Lying Liars and the Fools Who Believed Them. McDonnell and Cuccinelli are exactly what a lot of people warned Virginia's voters they were. Another example of easily stampeded voters.

The problem is, the folks who are paying attention court these voters with nonesense like that 50 foot Pelosi ad. That's the mentality -- you scare them or you make smile at them and make them feel they are "smart."

Posted by: margaretmeyers | July 1, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

moebius22 writes
"Democrats, with no checks on their power will act like Republicans and vice versa."

Thus far that hasn't proven to be true. Dems, unlike Repubs, are incapable of imposing discpline on their membership. The Repubs rammed through far more controversial legislation during their tenure than the Dems have. Remember the vote to approve the use of force in Iraq? Repubs were calling Dems every name in the book, up to and including 'anti American', to guilt them into voting for the resolution. Dems don't have the cojones to pull that kind of stunt. Look at the way they keep playing footsie with one repub senator in an attempt to break the filibuster - before his switch it was Specter, then Snowe & Collins, Lindsey Graham on environmental legislation, Scott Brown on FinReg. Its pitiful, really. If they were acting like the Repubs, they'd have passed this stuff by March of 09.
++++++++++++++++++

Demcorats continue to display historical amnesia.

1.Democrats voted for Bush era tax cuts

2.Democrats voted for the invasion of Iraq.

Democrats like Republicans also use the filibuster when they are in the minority- which is why neither party ever does away with it when they are in the majority.

Posted by: moebius22 | July 1, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Yes, the best thing to do is re-elect the party that brought us deregulation and financial ruin, lowered taxes on the rich so every state is about to go under, our infrastructure is collapsing, schools are lower rated than most third world countries (stupidity works well for the Republican Party), the middle class pays more taxes than any time in US history, social security has been robbed ( the senate minority leader, yesterday, said he wants to use social security to finance the war in Aphganistan) and our environment is being turned into a wasteland of corporate garbage, chemicals, and sewage.

Thank you, you great defenders of the American way-- you destroyed it.

Posted by: morenews1 | July 1, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

As an independent, I am very disappointed in Obama and will not vote for him in 2012. The weak health care bill with delayed reforms, repeated bailouts for irresponsible companies and individuals, escalation in Afghanistan, amnesty for illegal immigrants are the reasons.

However, I will never vote for a Republican either, the GOP seems completely clueless, always advocating for corporations and the rich. Neither party represents ordinary people, only their respective, often overlapping corporate, special interest groups.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | July 1, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Yes, the best thing to do is re-elect the party that brought us deregulation and financial ruin, lowered taxes on the rich so every state is about to go under, our infrastructure is collapsing, schools are lower rated than most third world countries (stupidity works well for the Republican Party), the middle class pays more taxes than any time in US history, social security has been robbed ( the senate minority leader, yesterday, said he wants to use social security to finance the war in Aphganistan) and our environment is being turned into a wasteland of corporate garbage, chemicals, and sewage.

Thank you, you great defenders of the American way-- you destroyed it.

Posted by: morenews1 | July 1, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I know some tough-minded Independents who really do pay attention and make intelligent decisions, but I think #1 ia a reflection of the fact that many who call themselves Independents don't pay attention to the issues and stampede from one party to the other because they are

easily stampeded.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | July 1, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

What rubbish from the Washington Post!! Never fails to amaze me that journalism went the way of the whatever. This newspaper invents anti-Democratic garbage and then puts it out there as journalism.

Posted by: pkbishop1 | July 1, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Attention Robert Gibbs, David Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, WH. staff:

OBAMA MENTIONS NIKOLA TESLA, DISCOVERER OF SCALAR ELECTROMAGNETICS...

...SEED TECHNOLOGY OF AMERICA'S SECRET MICROWAVE LASER RADIO FREQUENCY DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS...

...IN D.C. IMMIGRATION SPEECH AT AMERICAN UNIVERSITY.

Is it possible that POTUS now realizes that scalar electromagnetic technology is being used by Homeland-run multi-agency fusion centers to silently attack, impair, subjugate and "electromagnetically incarcerate" extrajudicially, unjustly targeted American citizens?

Is it also possible that POTUS realizes this technology creates energy from a vacuum state -- and thus opens the possibility that scalar electromagnetics could lead to technologies that produce inexpensive, inexhaustible supplies of energy -- obviating the need for a fossil fuels- based economy?

Scalar electromagnetic weapons have been perfected and already are in America's arsenal -- a fact that most Americans do not know, because the mainstream media has been waved off the story by intense "psychological operations" and propaganda emanating from the Pentagon, Homeland Security and other agencies and commands.

Today's speech at American University hints strongly that President Obama and Energy Secretary Steven Chu know this -- and may soon announce an Apollo Project- like commitment to develop scalar electromagnetic sources of clean, nearly free energy.

Hopefully, POTUS also will halt U.S. government attacks on its own citizens by means of heinous programs of "social cleansing" -- as exposed in these articles by a veteran journalist:

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
OR NowPublic.com/scrivener (lede articles and links therein) ALSO Faceboook -- Vic Livingston ("Notes")

Posted by: scrivener50 | July 1, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

bsimon1: My take is that Pawlently is "Romney Light" at the moment. But what the Republican base wants is a crusading populist firebrand who will appoint someone like Judge Roy Moore to the Supreme Court.

jfndPA2010: It's more than just having our chesse moved, it's also being told that there is no more "free" cheese. Some people will never come to terms with that level of change and will vote for whoever promises them cheese of any kind regardless of whether or not they can actually deliver.

And I can't believe I gave you people a perfect "straight" line ("yawning vaccuum in the leadership of the Republican party") and no one even attempted to name anyone the term might describe. ;)

Posted by: Gallenod | July 1, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Hey liberal/progressive Chris.......when are we going to start seeing "Democrat Brand" stories the way our corrupt MSM wolfpack press used to smear and push folks away from the GOP about a year ago?

.........lol.........corrupt free left-wing press

Posted by: allenridge | July 1, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

moebius22 writes
"Democrats, with no checks on their power will act like Republicans and vice versa."

Thus far that hasn't proven to be true. Dems, unlike Repubs, are incapable of imposing discpline on their membership. The Repubs rammed through far more controversial legislation during their tenure than the Dems have. Remember the vote to approve the use of force in Iraq? Repubs were calling Dems every name in the book, up to and including 'anti American', to guilt them into voting for the resolution. Dems don't have the cojones to pull that kind of stunt. Look at the way they keep playing footsie with one repub senator in an attempt to break the filibuster - before his switch it was Specter, then Snowe & Collins, Lindsey Graham on environmental legislation, Scott Brown on FinReg. Its pitiful, really. If they were acting like the Repubs, they'd have passed this stuff by March of 09.


Posted by: bsimon1 | July 1, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

True story that serves as anecdotal evidence to CC's first point...one of the best and brightest finance guys I've ever worked with happily voted for Obama, and was excited when he was elected. Fast forward to now....this same guy today complains frequently about the 'socialist' in the White House, regrets voting for him, and can't wait for the next election.

My question to these type of 'independents' is: what the heck did you expect?

Everyone else knew exactly what Obama wamted to do. It's the 1930's FDR template:
- give lip service to job creation, while you actually prioritize fixing all the perceived societal ills of progressives (health care, environment, punish the 'rich', transfer wealth to those who didn't earn it, etc, etc)
- ram-rod obscene amounts of deficit spending through Congress and use it mostly to benefit politically connected allies
- blame all your failures on Wall Street and evil capitalism

When I heard Obama's grand convention speech in front of the foam columns in Denver, which sounded eerily similar to a speech I had just heard of Truman's on CSPAN a few weeks earlier (i.e., progressives never have any new ideas), I knew what was coming. Why are independents suddenly confused as to the far-left direction Obama is trying to take us?

Posted by: dbw1 | July 1, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

True story that serves as anecdotal evidence to CC's first point...one of the best and brightest finance guys I've ever worked with happily voted for Obama, and was excited when he was elected. Fast forward to now....this same guy today complains frequently about the 'socialist' in the White House, regrets voting for him, and can't wait for the next election.

My question to these type of 'independents' is: what the heck did you expect?

Everyone else knew exactly what Obama wamted to do. It's the 1930's FDR template:
- give lip service to job creation, while you actually prioritize fixing all the perceived societal ills of progressives (health care, environment, punish the 'rich', transfer wealth to those who didn't earn it, etc, etc)
- ram-rod obscene amounts of deficit spending through Congress and use it mostly to benefit politically connected allies
- blame all your failures on Wall Street and evil capitalism

When I heard Obama's grand convention speech in front of the foam columns in Denver, which sounded eerily similar to a speech I had just heard of Truman's on CSPAN a few weeks earlier (i.e., progressives never have any new ideas), I knew what was coming. Why are independents suddenly confused as to the far-left direction Obama is trying to take us?

Posted by: dbw1 | July 1, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I am shocked that focus groups held by a Republican pollster would show- surprise!- independents are leaning Republican. Come on Chris, you can do better reporting than this!

Also, when the "generic" candidate is replaced by a specific with extreme right views, such as Angle or Rand, it will be interesting to see where voters lean.

Posted by: Dr_JES | July 1, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I am shocked that focus groups held by a Republican pollster would show- surprise!- independents are leaning Republican. Come on Chris, you can do better reporting than this!

Also, when the "generic" candidate is replaced by a specific with extreme right views, such as Angle or Rand, it will be interesting to see where voters lean.

Posted by: Dr_JES | July 1, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Ha! Indepenents? I'm a liberal and I'm voting a straight Republican ticket. Obama promised to reopen NAFTA and other trade agreements to prevent outsourcing jobs. He and the Democrat's were supposed to end abusive guest worker programs like the H1-B and L-1 visas. They were supposed to bring back the use of trade tariffs to get some of the 45 million outsourced jobs back. Instead, they are undertaking amnesty for illegals and a whole host of nonsense that they promised to stay away from. They LIED to us! Get it? So, we have but one choice. Gt the Democratic Party. Cripple Obama and his ability to do anything. We are in the position of being abused spouses in a toxic relationship and the only answer to that is a divorce.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | July 1, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I noticed the front page headline read:

"Independent voters running from Obama"

Nice bit of Republican Propanda from Chris Cilizza.

You are not an unbiased reporter, Mr. Cilizza, you are a Republican strategist.

stop pretending to be a neutral reporter.

Posted by: vigor | July 1, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Ha! Indepenents? I'm a liberal and I'm voting a straight Republican ticket. Obama promised to reopen NAFTA and other trade agreements to prevent outsourcing jobs. He and the Democrat's were supposed to end abusive guest worker programs like the H1-B and L-1 visas. They were supposed to bring back the use of trade tariffs to get some of the 45 million outsourced jobs back. Instead, they are undertaking amnesty for illegals and a whole host of nonsense that they promised to stay away from. They LIED to us! Get it? So, we have but one choice. Gt the Democratic Party. Cripple Obama and his ability to do anything. We are in the position of being abused spouses in a toxic relationship and the only answer to that is a divorce.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | July 1, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: coqui44
As long as we keep going from democrat to republican to democrat to republican ad nauseum, the working class/middle class (the couple of millions that remain of them) are just writing their obituary.
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That's a misnomer. The problem for the last 9 years is that Americans give one party complete control of government which imperils the natural checks and balances between the Legislative and Executive branch.

Democrats, with no checks on their power will act like Republicans and vice versa.


Posted by: moebius22 | July 1, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"The same gap does not appear in Gallup's generic ballot number among all registered voters, where 46 percent opt for a Democratic candidate and 45 percent choose a Republican."

This is the important number, CC --- why not lead with that? You are ignoring your own reporting earlier, that many people who call themselves 'independents' today are simply republicans who were embarrassed about calling themselves Republicans after the Bush administration brought the country to its knees.

Posted by: drindl | July 1, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

yesterday Senator Grassely played the typical BS politician game which has this country in a total mess. (the Dems are no better)

He went on and on about how Williams Blackstone is the standard for fundmenal rights - I agree with him - I agree with his analysis that self-defense is a fundamental right.

BUT THEN his next question was on marriage and an attempt to get Kagan to say the federal courts have no interest in marriage -

BUT WAIT - Blackstone said marriage is the sole province of the church and merely an inconvenient contract to be recognized by the government.

Why is it Blackstone is the standard for guns, but to be ignored on the issue of marriage? Answer Grassley has no use for truth, justice, or the American way

This is why we are in the mess we are in - dishonesty is all any politician has to offer the American people

Bobby WC

Posted by: bobbywc | July 1, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure if you poll "Independents" and ask how often they vote Republican versus how much they vote Democrat, they will overwhelmingly say they mostly vote Republican.

You know why? Because Republicans are more prone to lie and say they are independent just to make it look like they are educated. Unfortunately, we all know how they feel about us educated people.

Posted by: pathfinder12 | July 1, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

They run to Republicans if they want, and when they get there they'll find nothing but a brick wall.

Republicans have not come up with anything, not one single idea or solution for ANYTHING they complain about and they're not even trying.

All Republicans know is they wanna be boss, and if they do become boss they do the only things they have EVER done, borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend, and make war.


Posted by: lindalovejones | July 1, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

As long as we keep going from democrat to republican to democrat to republican ad nauseum, the working class/middle class (the couple of millions that remain of them) are just writing their obituary.

Posted by: coqui44

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This is the absolute truth (and I think the tea baggers are even worse than Republicans). The 2 party system has brought us to the brink of ruin.

Posted by: theobserver4 | July 1, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"True enough. It is easier to defer the tough decisions than to admit the something-for-nothing economic policies we've become accustomed to are not viable over the long term.

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Posted by: bsimon1"

Hell, we can't even do the something-for-nothing anymore. The unemployment bill has been blocked.

If these were normal times, I'd be in favor of holding a special election in West Virginia to replace Robert Byrd. But eff that. Hurry up and appoint someone so we can get this damn billed passed. It is absolutely criminal how we treat our most needy people in this country.

Posted by: DDAWD | July 1, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Well, as a senior citizen will not be having a child out of wedlock, but as a senior citizens have never witnessed politicians as they are today.
When you have a political party whose primary goal is to destroy our president regardless of the consequences, has undying support and love for Wall St over the survival of our country and us, a party that takes no responsibility for almost destroying our country or has any workable acceptable ideas of their own, hypocritical politicians that support hate, anger, fear mongering, constantly distoring facts with no inclination to put our country first, denying help for middle class America, than you have a political party that is totally broken, ignoring what they were elected to do.
You can talk about spending all you want, but where were you these last eight years? The spending today is to keep our country from total collapse, trying to undo the destruction your republicans created.

Posted by: kathlenec | July 1, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

The American people are the problem - we remain a people who insist on demanding what we want instead of working for it or using commonsense.

The only road to recovery is to stimulate the economy - this morning a poll shows some 60% of the American people want to deport all undocumented workers - this will kill consumption and destroy what is left of our economy - but facts and reality will never get in the way of the demand of the American people.

The banks rightfully so have been made into Mr. Evil - but you know what with mortgage rates as low as 4% for Texas veterans - banks cannot make a profit on mortgages - hence no mortgages.

Because there is no money for construction Brownsville has a housing shortage. On July 7th as a disabled vet I will be homeless - a credit score well into the 700's is insuffient to get a loan for half of what you can afford so long as you have any blotch on your credit report. Brownsville has no available rental homes. Even nice apartments have waiting lists. Homelessness of people with money is next as the credit crunch continues to stop new construction

The FED cannot raise interest rates so long as we owe 13 trillion dollars to the world.

the American people refuse to bite the bullet and allow for reduced government benefits or solutions which will reduce the deficit.

All medicaid patients should be seen in community clinics run by the states - nope that would be communism so it is better the taxpayes pay higher taxes to subsidize doctors.

The government should manage the people's resources instead of giving the profits to the oil industry - nope that would be communisism - better to tax the people and give the profits to the oil industry.

there are two ways to raise revenues - taxes and profits - so long as we define profits by governmental entities as communism - deficit spending will continue and the economy will continue to collapse -
The people in their demand for ignorance are the sole cause of their own problems.

Posted by: bobbywc | July 1, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

You needed a pol to figure this out? Where have you been, if you travel outside of the beltway, it would be intuitively obvious. Cheers.

Posted by: Finn_McCool | July 1, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Obama's mantra has been change. By nature, most people are resistant to change, initially. Can the disgruntled middle be just going through 'Who Moved My Cheese?' syndrome, where the apple cart gets upturned and we've got to pick it all back up and re-stack the apples? Americans want instant gratification, but you can't change 8 years of crap in two, or even four years. amiright?

Posted by: jfndPA2010 | July 1, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

HHS website for insurance comparison is up. Now in four years, it will be ready for the exchanges. Give it a look.
http://www.healthcare.gov/

Posted by: DDAWD | July 1, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

But the generic platform of the Republican party still highlights the BS that drove us into a ditch. I guess the attack on our education system has been more successful than I previously believed.

We've got the attention span of gerbils and apparently the intellect to boot. I guess I'll have to have my papers ready if Repubs come back into power and finish the country off.

Posted by: theobserver4 | July 1, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

meepo writes
"I'm feeling very weary this morning, as I'm in a country seemingly without initiative."


True enough. It is easier to defer the tough decisions than to admit the something-for-nothing economic policies we've become accustomed to are not viable over the long term.

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Posted by: bsimon1 | July 1, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

kathlenec, such a statement shows just how silly you are! Republicans as terrorists? Is it a terrorist activity to fight to keep the money you earn? Is it a terrorist activity to fight to keep the government from dictating everything you do? I am a registered Republican, but honestly neither party really represents me - and I think that goes for the vast majority of people in this country. I am fiscally conservative but socially liberal. In other words, kathelenec, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU DO! I JUST DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT! Hey! Have a kid out of wedlock. That's fine. Just don't ask me to foot the bill!

Posted by: georges2 | July 1, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Independents want jobs. Lots of them. I'm not sure they wholeheartedly blame the Obama administration, but the Obama administration did say, over and over, that jobs were a concern, and yet it was not much of a concern to not stand up and advocate seriously to employers and industry heads to discuss what exactly it is that America is doing. Obama has no industry by any stretch of the imagination to lean on when it comes to stimulus. That stimulus money would go to creating jobs ... overseas, where all the plants heavy in industrial positions are. Unlike in FDR's day, when big industry could collect on some government contracts and hire workers in Cleveland, Detroit, San Francisco, Flint, Los Angeles, New York, or anywhere. All or most of those jobs are overseas. We screwed ourselves when we committed to free trade. Now we are dependent on a robust world economy more than anything else. With regard to the president doing anything about it, all he can do is stand on the sidelines with everyone else. Maybe that's wrong, or a wrong-headed thought process. I'm feeling very weary this morning, as I'm in a country seemingly without initiative. We have it! I know we do. We have leadership! I know we do. Yet, where is it? Maybe I just don't see it today.

Posted by: Meepo | July 1, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I hope a Dem announces against Obama come November after the elections. I believe it is our only hope of holding onto the WH.

But I am dismissive of any poll which looks to generic candidates. Once people see the reality of Rand Pauls they tend to rethink their position.

Posted by: bobbywc | July 1, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

As long as we keep going from democrat to republican to democrat to republican ad nauseum, the working class/middle class (the couple of millions that remain of them) are just writing their obituary.

Posted by: coqui44 | July 1, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

The definition of terrorists are those out to destroy a country by any means possible.
The republicans are well on their way to becomeing our country's most dangerous domestic terrorists.

Posted by: kathlenec | July 1, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Gallenod writes
"Romney is doing all the right things, but he's just not the guy the Republican base wants. Neither is Pawlenty. There's a yawning vaccuum in the leadership of the Republican party at the moment which, oddly enough, may not hurt them much in the mid-terms."

Pawlenty, like Romney, is doing all the right things. Pawlenty also, on paper, checks the right boxes for traditional GOP interest groups, particularly the evangelicals (check) and club for growth (check). He doesn't have the military / strong defense credential, but did take plenty of trips to visit our guard units overseas, so has been trying to establish commander-in-chief credibility too. His biggest deficit is in 'excitement'. About 4 years ago when we were playing this game in advance of the 2008 election, we talked about the IT factor. In my view, Pawlenty doesn't have IT. But he does have something; he does very well in press conferences & in interviews; he comes across as very reasonable and earnest in a way that masks his strict adherence to conservative ideology. I suspect Pawlenty will surprise some people over the next year or two & the Fix is correct to keep its eye on him.

Posted by: bsimon1 | July 1, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

My guess is many independents are not that but GOP dissatisfied voters. They will not support Paul, Angle nor Rubio. Think they will embrace regulation killing of a nuclear attack against an ant? How about apologies to BP. How about an minor oil sheen in Mississippi? How about 2nd amendment rights to shoot your neighbor that disagrees with your position? Do people want another Wal Mart factory in China, Hershey's production in Mexico? Do they want a useless against the bear Polish missile defense? Do they want unsecured plutonium? Do they want the drone attacks to stop taking out terrorists? Less regulation for another Gulf oil spill or financial collapse? The Dems may be lacking, but the GOP is far worse. What is more draconian health care administrator cuts or Ryan's vouchers ending any care at all? Lincoln told up what to fear and we still have not learned from him.

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
- Abraham Lincoln

Posted by: jameschirico | July 1, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Bad reading of Independent voters. See: "Myth of the Independent Voter" by Keith, Maglesby, Nelson, Orr, et al. Their work shows pretty effectively that real Independent voters make up only a tiny sliver of the electorate. The vast majority of "independent" voters are simply closet Republicans and Democrats. They call themselves independents, but 9 times out of 10 they vote along party lines. Independents leaning Republican and independents leaning Democrat are the bulk of so-called independents and they always vote for the party they lean toward, they just don't want to come out and say that for one reason or another.

Posted by: dc13 | July 1, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I cannot understand any intelligent person supporting the republicans and their actions. They continuously prove their undying support for Wall St over the American people and our country. And, now, to deny the unemployed funds to survive is the last nail in the coffin. Many indiciating they are lazy people taking advantage of the system while they are making our system purely non productive with their irresponsible, unethical goals.

Posted by: kathlenec | July 1, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm an independent voter. I voted for Obama. If you called me on the phone and asked me how I felt about Obama I would say disappointed and angry. I expected to see at least half the Bush administration in an orange jump suit by now. But if you asked me if I was going to vote for a republican, it would take me an hour to stop laughing.

Posted by: starman0722 | July 1, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Republicanism brought you the Great Recession, 10% unemployment, The War for Oil in Iraq, $4 gas, the Imperial Bush/Cheney, TARP, a missed opportunity to stop 9/11, $10 TRILLION in additional debt, and Larry Craig.

Okay, so Obama hasn't fixed everything yet, but let's not pretend we don't know who left the country in this state.

Republicans.

Posted by: vigor | July 1, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

1) The data is interesting, but I don't think this 30,000 ft view really tells us what it first appears to tell us. For instance, from Gallup "The Democratic Party remains competitive with the GOP despite the independent tilt toward the Republican Party because more registered voters identify as Democrats (35%) than as Republicans (31%) in the March-June data."

Which makes me wonder how deep the independent support for Repubs really is. Gallup seems to be saying there are fewer self-identified Repubs than there used to be; which makes sense as the TEA people seem to identify as 'independents' rather than as Republicans. The advantage the repubs have is the level of enthusiasm in the TEA types, and the general frustration with the economy that is reflecting on the Obama admin & Dems. The risk is otherwise low support for the party & the TEA people's willingness to support independent challengers to Repubs when they don't like the party nominee.

Posted by: bsimon1 | July 1, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Polls are irrelevant. I've never been polled before and I've never met anyone that has. Are they polling the last 6,000 people in the country with landlines? These poll numbers are phony.

Posted by: sm4269a | July 1, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Independents? You should see the DemocRats themselves say he gotta GO!

Posted by: theaz | July 1, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Chris - why not do a story about how stupid American's are? Are people's memories burned out? Doesn't anyone remeber the train wreck the GOP engineers gave us just a few years ago? Why not do a report on what exactly has changed in the GOP platform? We all know why - nothing has changed. As rhe President as aptly put it, they want the keys to the car agin after driving it off a cliff and wrecking it. We Americans have got to give them tough love - but not the car keys yet.

Or have the citizens all become Becks and Plains? God help us all.

Posted by: ScottChallenger | July 1, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget how thrilled Virginia independents are with the McDonnell/Cuccinelli Inquisition, they will be drawn to the far right for generations.

Posted by: squier13 | July 1, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Independent voters sway like the tides from one presidential administration to the other by demanding instant results. These voters apparently don't understand there are no quick fixes and that fixes take time, sometimes a decade.

The Republicans have shown that tax cuts without spending restraint (including large increases in military spending) lead to large deficits, dispelling the Laffer curve theory developed by the the Reagan era. Deregulation (which Clinton continued following Reagan) has also lead to bubble economics.

Generally Democrats have done much better in managing the economy. Poor Jimmy Carter was admonished for his poor performance on the economy but his efforts lead the way for the successes achieved by Reagan. The only way out of the economic doldrums of the 70's was to raise interest rates (BTW, Reagan forged ahead with Paul Volker's ideas on the economy, which is a seldom quoted fact, meaning Carter would have certainly pulled out of malaise if he was given a second term).

Timing can be everything for a president. American voters are anything but patient.

Posted by: citizen4truth1 | July 1, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Gallenod, your first comment intrigued me. I think something similar occurred.

You may remember polls that showed R self-ID in the 20-30% range around Inauguration Day. That meant, in a nation that voted 46% R two months earlier, that perhaps half of R leaning voters had begun to classify themselves as Indie.

My lifelong, ticket splitting, R leaning friends all think of themselves as Indie now. Most of them voted McC but were not then worried that BHO would be "liberal" or "statist". Most of them now are frightened by the HCR as symbolic of coming 'intrusions". Many of them will vote for White [D] against Perry [R], so they own their Indie status honestly.

The Ds campaign misses the boat by simply calling the Rs the party of "no". A referendum on D policies will lose for Ds.
If the Ds can point out what R policies actually seem to be: financial meltdown is an "ant" that should be allowed to occur again; big banks should not fund the FDIC; BP is owed an apology; social security should fund the war - then they can run on a comparison, rather than on a referendum on their own not-universally-loved policies.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | July 1, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm an independent, I tend to vote for the candidate and not the party, in most cases I feel both parties have lost their way. The dems are pushed around by the ultra liberals in their party, the repubs are pushed around by the ultra conservatives in their party. That's why nothing is getting done in Washington. Will I vote? Absolutely and like the poll indicates, I'm leaning more away from the dems this year because they have shown they have no idea what real leadership is all about.

Posted by: wbrisett | July 1, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Independent voters sway like the tides from one presidential administration to the other by demanding instant results. These voters apparently don't understand there are no quick fixes and that fixes take time, sometimes a decade.

The Republicans have shown that tax cuts without spending restraint (including large increases in military spending) lead to large deficits, dispelling the Laffer curve theory developed by the the Reagan era. Deregulation (which Clinton continued following Reagan) has also lead to bubble economics.

Generally Democrats have done much better in managing the economy. Poor Jimmy Carter was admonished for his poor performance on the economy but his efforts lead the way for the successes achieved by Reagan. The only way out of the economic doldrums of the 70's was to raise interest rates (BTW, Reagan forged ahead with Paul Volker's ideas on the economy, which is a seldom quoted fact, meaning Carter would have certainly pulled out of malaise if he was given a second term).

Timing can be everything for a president. American voters are anything but patient.

Posted by: citizen4truth1 | July 1, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

If there is really a twelve-point difference between the GOP and the Democrats, why are there so many races in play? For example, here in Minnesota we have Tim Walz. He defeated a very popular incumbent in 2006, Gil Gutknecht. Walz's district is solidly Republican (and went for McCain by like 15 percentage points). So, you would think that Walz would be a sitting duck.

Yet, the GOP has absolutely no traction here. None. Walz will win by 20 points (just as he did in 2008). If the independents are moving that quickly to the GOP, why isn't Walz getting smoked?

And, it's not just Walz. There are moderate Democrats all over the country that are winning in Republican districts. Look at the race to replace Murtha in Pennsylvania. The GOP set up a post-race press conference to celebrate the demise of the Democrats - except that they lost that race by ten percentage points.

So, while I trust Gallup, races are decided on an individual basis. Walz has a few less-than-worthy opponents who talk about how tax cuts solve every possible problem. Walz will win. I suspect that this is true in most McCain districts held by Democrats.

Posted by: teoandchive1 | July 1, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

No real "Independent" would move to the "right". The only people that plan on moving that way are tea-baggers. Most likely, real "Independents" will not be voting, sick and tired of the "Vote for the least evil" candidate. There are two "three" of people in America; Conservative Christians that will follow Palin, Beck and all like them, no matter how they lie, most being the Tea-baggers then there is the "Middle Americans" which range anywhere from "right" to "center" to "left" who just go through the motions following their party, there are the real "Independents, who refuse to listen to lies or wait for changes, realizing their votes really dont count and that the USA is far to gone to be saved from an attack and/or invasion and self-destruction. Good luck with that !

Posted by: cpmondello | July 1, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I was a Democrat who recently changed my registration to Indepednent. I lived through eight years of Republican control of government, and have no inclination to do the same with Demcorats.

Posted by: moebius22 | July 1, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

1. This would suggest that Independents were voting against Bush in 2008 rather than for Obama.

2. Romney is doing all the right things, but he's just not the guy the Republican base wants. Neither is Pawlenty. There's a yawning vaccuum in the leadership of the Republican party at the moment which, oddly enough, may not hurt them much in the mid-terms. Obama is a target they can attack, but without a clear leader of the opposition the Democrats can't reply in kind.

3. Sadly, many voters won't pay attention even on Election Day.

4. Environmentalists attacking Nebraskan senators, of either party, is more likely to help than hurt them. (I lived in Omaha for three years. It's not a hotbed of environmental activism.)

5. DeMint is setting himself up to be the next big power broker if the hard right takes over the Republican party over the next couple of years. He might be thinking about 2012 if Obama is bleeding in the political water, but more likely 2016 as Sam Brownback's running mate.

Posted by: Gallenod | July 1, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

'Jan van Lohuizen, a Republican pollster, said ... that "independents are now thinking about the same issues as Republicans are" with those issues being the economy, federal spending ...'

I guess those Independents weren't thinking about the economy and federal spending from 2000 to 2008. Neither were the Republicans.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | July 1, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of climate legislation...

U.S. GOV'T MICROWAVE WEAPON SYSTEM CAN ALTER THE WEATHER:
IS IT BEING USED FOR GOOD OR FOR ILL IN THE GULF OIL DISASTER?

The U.S. government's covert cell-tower- based microwave laser/radio frequency directed energy weapon system -- installed on cell towers all across America -- has the capability to affect weather systems, to "alter undesirable atmospheric conditions," according to Raytheon's U.S. patent No. 7629918 and other published accounts relating to the prototype HAARP grid in Alaska.

Has this weapon system been deployed in relation to the Gulf oil disaster -- for good or ill? Read a veteran journalist's account of the uses and misuses of little known scalar electromagnetic technology:

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener (lede articles and links therein)

Posted by: scrivener50 | July 1, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

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