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President Obama sits down with Fox News Channel

1. President Obama sat for a rare interview with Fox News Channel Wednesday night as a critical House vote on his health care program drew ever closer. (Yes, this is the same network that former White House communications director Anita Dunn described as a "wing of the Republican Party" in an interview with the Post's Howard Kurtz.)

Among the highlights:

1) Obama repeatedly sought to paint the choice before House members in the starkest of terms saying, at one point, that the vote will decided whether "we're going to maintain the status quo, or whether we're going to reform the system. That's the final closing argument out of the White House it seems.

2) Obama made clear that regardless of the method used to pass the health care legislation, House Democrats can't reasonably expect not to be answerable for it. "If people vote yes, whatever form that takes, that is going to be a vote for health care reform," said Obama. "And I don't think we should pretend otherwise."

3) Obama was dismissive of the process-focused coverage that has come to define the bill in recent weeks, insisting the average Americans don't much care about the particulars of how the bill passes but rather that Washington is acting to solve pressing problems.

4) Obama took another crack at assuaging fears about change among those who already have and are satisfied with their health insurance. "What we're saying is that for the vast majority of people who have health care, they're going to be able to keep it," he said.

5) Obama described the final bill as a "centrist" effort, adding that, "I have rejected a whole bunch of provisions that the left wanted that are -- you know, they were very adamant about because I thought it would be too disruptive to the system." He clearly meant the public option (among other things) but did not mention the controversial program by name.

ALSO READ: Former Pennsylvania representative Marjorie Margolies Mezvinsky (D), who lost her reelection bid in 1994 due to her vote for President Clinton's budget, urges members wavering on health care to vote their conscience.

2. Arkansas Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D), facing a primary challenge from her ideological left in the form of Lt. Gov. Bill Halter and likely to be besieged by Republicans in the general election, is taking the unorthodox approach of embracing her insider status in a new ad airing in the state.

The ad features a farmer noting that Lincoln is the first Arkansan ever to serve as chair of the Senate Agriculture Committee and goes on to tout funds she secured for the state from that perch. "It took us 184 years to get that chairmanship," he says. "I don't know why we'd want to give it up."

Lincoln's messaging is purely transactional -- "I am in a position to do things for the state that someone new won't be" is the boiled-down version (and our words, not hers) -- that has echoes of the early ads run this cycle by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) and of much of the campaign that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) conducted in 2008. It is a stark departure, however, from how some of her fellow targeted Democrats are dealing with a political environment that is resistant to anything tied to Washington. (Need evidence? Check out the ad Sen. Michael Bennet, who also has serious primary and general election challenges, is running in Colorado.)

Lincoln's thinking appears to be that she will be unable to distance herself effectively from Washington and the Senate and so, given that reality, her best option is to try to turn her position into a positive. "The senator's campaign is neither an insider nor an outsider campaign," said Lincoln adviser Mark Putnam. "That sort of Washington formulation has nothing to do with the job she's doing for Arkansans. Instead, it's about an independent senator working for Arkansas."

Lincoln and Halter will square off on May 18 -- a race (and a day) that will tell us much about the national political environment. ALSO WATCH: Halter's latest commercial in which he lays out his "playbook" of top issues including a pledge to never become a lobbyist.

3. Former eBay CEO Meg Whitman (R) is rolling through her primary against state Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner and has now taken the general election lead against state Attorney General Jerry Brown (D) in the latest Field Poll.

Whitman now holds a massive 49-point lead over Poizner, a widening of her advantage 45 percent to 17 percent edge in a January Field poll. That gap explains Whitman's increased focus on Brown -- both on the campaign trail and in her ads. Poizner, who has put a significant amount of his own money into the race as well, looks to be fading and must find something -- and find it soon -- if he wants to stay relevant in advance of the state's June 8 primary.

Whitman's surge, fueled by $39 million -- yes, you read that right -- in personal donations to the campaign, has carried over into the general election as well where she now takes 46 percent to 43 percent for Brown. Back in January Brown led Whitman 46 percent to 36 percent. Brown, perhaps feeling the pressure of an onrushing Whitman, told a labor group on Tuesday that he would prefer they attack Whitman so that he could be the "nice guy" in the race. (All politicians prefer that approach but few say it publicly.) Not good.

Whitman has had her fair share of gaffes as a first time candidate -- her odd avoidance of the press at a recent event being a fairly typical example -- but her willingness to spend and spend from her own wallet have largely glossed over those problems to date. California is a huge prize for both parties in the fall and these numbers have to buoy Democrats. ALSO NOTE: President Obama will campaign (and raise money) for Sen. Barbara Boxer (Calif.) in Los Angeles next month. Republicans believe they have an outside chance of beating the third-term Democratic incumbent.

4. Former World Wrestling Entertainment CEO Linda McMahon has emerged as the frontrunner for the Republican nomination in Connecticut's open seat Senate race, according to a new Quinnipiac survey.

McMahon, who is spending heavily from her own pocket on the race, took 44 percent to 34 percent for former Rep. Rob Simmons, a 20-point shift from a mid-January Q poll that put Simmons ahead by 10 points. Thanks to a slew of television ads introducing her to voters, McMahon is now slightly better know statewide than Simmons who held the 2nd district from 2000 through 2006. Of those who recognize her, 36 percent had a favorable impression while 26 percent had an unfavorable one -- numbers slightly weaker than Simmons' 38/21 fav/unfav.

At issue for Simmons is whether, having already relinquished his lead, he can find a way to make a comeback between now and the state's Aug. 10 primary while running against a candidate with a near-unlimited checkbook. Simmons allies sought to paint the poll as a positive for their candidate, arguing that with McMahon as the favorite she will now face considerable scrutiny from Democrats -- scrutiny that could lead to slip-ups from the first-time candidate. Maybe. But, McMahon is clearly in control of the race now and Simmons needs her to make a mistake (or three) to come back.

Who wins the Republican nomination may well be of no consequence as state Attorney General Richard Blumenthal leads McMahon by 33 point and Simmons by 36 points in the Q poll. Blumenthal appears to be one of the most popular politicians in the country; 79 percent of the sample had a favorable opinion of him while just 13 percent saw him in an unfavorable light.

5. Wealthy businessman Rick Snyder has catapulted himself into a three-way tie for first place in advance of the state's Aug. 3 Michigan Republican gubernatorial primary thanks to a series of innovative -- and well-financed -- ads.

State Attorney General Mike Cox and Rep. Pete Hoekstra each take 21 percent in an "Inside Michigan Politics"/Marketing Resource Group poll while Snyder clocks in at 20 percent and Oakland County Sheriff Mike Bouchard lags in fourth with 10 percent. (Those numbers are among likely Republican primary voters.)

The poll highlights a marked improvement for Snyder from a similar IMP/MRA survey done last fall that put Snyder at just two percent. Snyder has received considerable positive press for his "one, tough nerd" ad -- a pitch-perfect commercial that casts him as an outsider to the political process whose studiousness and success in the private sector are the right fit for the economically-battered state. Expect Snyder's ad to be copied relentlessly around the country this year as candidates seek to find way to break through the clutter and prove to voters they aren't just like other politicians.

By Chris Cillizza  |  March 18, 2010; 5:20 AM ET
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Posted by: MitraJanine | March 19, 2010 2:17 AM | Report abuse

How about you stop carpet-posting the same crap over and over, ash-brain

Posted by: Noacoler | March 19, 2010 2:16 AM | Report abuse

Noacoler


You have been banned from this blog three times


Would you please stop talking about other posters


Would you please just leave ?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

We need an IGNORE button for 37th. This brain damaged PCP burnout just does the exact same post over and over like some invertebrate with no brain at all.

Completely frickin' retarded.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 19, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse


The CBO numbers are a BIG LIE - how many ACCOUNTING TRICKS ARE IN THOSE NUMBERS.


Obama has got to be kidding.


The health care bill is the ENRON OF ALL GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS - DO NOT BE FOOLED.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I think Drindl hit a sore spot with Zouk. Turnabout's a beeyotch, eh?

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 18, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Good god, I'm reading that page again. Everyone else has gone home, so I'm in tears with laughter.

Oh, zook, you are so f*cking pathetic.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Zouk, you're a mess.

First you claim to have a $20 million career, then you're doing high-stress penny-ante gambling and trolling for models.

You try to act vastly intelligent but you clearly don't know anything about science and you believe a lot of economics BS.

You're snarky and derisive but all the derision you can muster won't make anyone believe you're smarter than the other readers. You can't even write your own posts other than schoolboy insults. You hunt down conservative snark and repost it, day in day out.

You're a loser, and a fat smoker to boot.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

see what I mean?

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow you stooges are such losers.

Get a life.

Notice how the most childish antics spread like wildfire in the stooge inner circle.

No one with a brain need apply.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 18, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

so zook is obviously as dumb as rocks, but tells everyone how stupid they are.

obviously has no job, but talks about how no one else can find work

spends his entire life trying to insult a few people, but talks about how everyone is obsessed with him.

A whole lot of projection here, right?

So what do you make of a photo of a little kid on his page?

I hope the ped thing isn't projection too because then this whole thing stops being funny.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Don't people know that interference in the free market is asking for trouble? Our money could spontaneously combust in our pockets ..like the Undiebomber! Stop the distortion!

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

PROHIBITION AGAINST POST-RETIREMENT REDUCTIONS OF RETIREE HEALTH BENEFITS
BY GROUP HEALTH PLANS.

Wow. Everyone with health benefits
will have this critical union job benefit!

Oh I forgot, no more.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for that.
Brain...overheated...

I'll read the whole thing and then make jokes. It is going to take awhile.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

NATIONAL PREVENTION AND WELLNESS STRATEGY.

A Communist plot. They do this in Cuba.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

INCLUSION OF PUBLIC HEALTH CLINICS UNDER
THE VACCINES FOR CHILDREN PROGRAM.

An obvious cover, seniors will be shunned even as the Government is spreading autism.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

CIVIL MONETARY PENALTIES TO
FALSE CLAIMS ACT AMENDMENTS.

This is a disaster!
Truly a government takeover.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

BILLING AGENTS, CLEARINGHOUSES, OR OTHER
ALTERNATE PAYEES REQUIRED TO REGISTER UNDER MEDICARE.

Nooooo! No wonder Republicans hate this bill, if Medicare fraud is stopped, a lot a business people will lose their jobs.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

FACE TO FACE ENCOUNTER WITH PATIENT REQUIRED BEFORE PHYSICIANS MAY CERTIFY
ELIGIBILITY FOR HOME HEALTH SERVICES
OR DURABLE MEDICAL EQUIPMENT UNDER
MEDICARE.

Darn it! My whole get rich quick scheme goes down in flames. You have to actually see the people whose billing numbers you are churning? Sheesh.

What's next, portability?

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope my original web site isn't cached anywhere... brrr.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

yeah, dawd, google cache is great! just makes you realize nothing you post on the innertubes actually ever goes away.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Note that as HRC gets closer to passage the number of blank lines in PissJug's posts grows and grows.

Hey zouk how many of those scantilly clad women have you gone horizontal with?

That's what I thought. Such nice, umm, perfuctory replies. "Thanks for the friend request.". Wow! So much nicer ...

... than a restraining order.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Does everyone remember that TODAY MARCH 18 WAS THE ORIGINAL DEADLINE FOR THIS WEEK ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Nancy keeps on pushing the vote back because she doesn't have the votes. Rep Lynch could be the last straw.

The way the democratic leadership has treated Stupak will be the story of this bill.

Nancy and Steny have wasted the last week - refusing to talk to Stupak - however it appears now that Stupak has the votes in his back pocket - and those votes are the ones which hold the sway.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

zook, which model's page did you copy and paste that WHO stuff from??

Man, I forgot about google cache! I'm dying here.

Nice kitty cat picture. Was that your Halloween costume????

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Access to healthcare has nothing to do with its quality?

You're not only contemptible, zouk, you're f ucking stupid

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I think the Doctors should go to Costa Rica and set up shop and let us buy private insurance to cover us at offshore clinics.. China is just too far away..

Posted by: newbeeboy | March 18, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

1. I predict healthcare will not pass.

5. I have long predicted that Rick Snyder will win the Republican nomination in Michigan and then win the governor's race. He has the endorsement of the entire business community and money plus the ability to raise money. Snyder will likely win the GE as well, as he is an outsider in an outsider's year. CC, this Republican primary has long been among my top primaries and I've long advocated this on the primary line. Also, I think the Kansas Senate Republican primary should be higher than it is on your line: US Reps. Moran vs. Tiarht. Great primaries, and I predict Snyder will be the eventual winner of the R primary and GE in Michigan.

Posted by: reason5 | March 18, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Poor Ped, everything in life is so perplaxing when you actually have to understand them.

the WHO has many variables that they consider (not like climate science unforunately for liberals). the variables are weighted according to a bunch of liberal loons over at the UN.
guess what's coming next?

the variable called 'free access to health care for the poor', is one of the heaviest inputs. note this has nothing to actually do with health care but more about fairness in society.

so the conclusion is as usual- the big mean capitalist are harming the poor while the wonderful communists are spectacular.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Actually zouk ol' shutterbug it doesn't matter what metric or combination of metrics you choose, healthcare in America sucks. We're #34 according to World Health Organization. It's only in expensive cutting edge procedures that we excel.

Life expectancy, infant mortality, diabetes.. this is not a healthy country. And lack of access to care is the #1 reason.

Now have a smoke and a bag of pork rinds, chub.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

In fact, the best predictor of life expectency is diet and exercise along with family history. Health care doesn't even register.

but don't ask a liberal "scientist".

they will not tell you that most black men are killed in accidents that have nothing to do with health care and everything to do with liberal neglect and decades of innattention.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

This is not his first trip to Fox News.. he loves Fox News.. they are his enemy.. he needs more enemies like them.. half the time their arguments are ignorant and unworthy of broadcast.. he's lucky that a legitimate broadcasting group doesn't take him on.

Posted by: newbeeboy
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He should go on the air with Keith O. and Chris M. He could get really good practice at flood management.

Posted by: leapin | March 18, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:zWxTZmtKTg0J:www.modelmayhem.com/742172+%22I+am+new+to+professional+photography+but+am+willing+to+learn%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
 
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
 
Zouk found an Instamatic in the trash and sees potential for a second income and .. wait for it! .. a chance to talk to some women!
 
No wonder he took it down. 

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Ped tries the climate change model on health care.

Liberal "Science" below, mind your step:

there is only one variable that measures our science, as handed to us by the great green god Al: CO2, wait, I mean life expectency. you can tell everything you need to know about cause and effect from this one input.

now , we all agree. case closed. Don't bother worrying about the data, we'll make some up later.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

This is not his first trip to Fox News.. he loves Fox News.. they are his enemy.. he needs more enemies like them.. half the time their arguments are ignorant and unworthy of broadcast.. he's lucky that a legitimate broadcasting group doesn't take him on.

Posted by: newbeeboy | March 18, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

The average person in Honduras or Vietnam is expected to live longer than the average African-American in New Orleans.

-Ped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I wonder what the relationship to fried food, government handouts, unemployment insurance, low cost TVs and comfy couches, liberal innattention, fast cars, substandard government education, empty liberal morality, easy access to drugs and guns and decades of coddling have to do with it?

Liberal view - nothing, it's the lack of free doctors causing everything. Only they have free doctors already.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Health care has very little to do with an average life expectency over a population.

try consulting life after cancer or some other actual measure of health care, not one of gun violence, accidents, diet, travel, large modern society, etc.

Posted by: drivl

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Drivel indeed.  Life expectancy not a good metric of healthcare?  This has to be your stupidest post yet, trying to knock Jake off his throne?  
 
As if healthcare can be defined as a measure of how long people survive after catastrophic illness, completely and deliberately neglecting the role of preventing that catastrophic illness in the first place.  This is the sort of drivel one expects from a fat out-of-shape smoker like you.  Let there be no role for prevention, since you and your ilk are so busy destroying your health.
 
As for your dodge .. the Japanese smoke like chimneys, work themselves to death, and still they live longer than we do.  You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, phlegm-gen.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

The sun is out today.

Must be global warming.

Lib "Science" in action.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

There goes Ped making up cause and effect again. Life expectency is about the worst measure of health care you can find, but it is convenient for liberals.

Health care has very little to do with an average life expectency over a population.

try consulting life after cancer or some other actual measure of health care, not one of gun violence, accidents, diet, travel, large modern society, etc.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

....and the kids of the WWII folks, all they care about was drug, sex and abortions!
Those are the ones who are running our government today.

Posted by: dsamario | March 18, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/18/opinion/18kristof.html

First, a question: When in American history did life expectancy improve the most?

Was it the late 1800s, when anesthesia made surgery easier and far more common? Was it the 1930s, when antibacterial medicines became available? Or recent decades, when CAT scans and heart bypasses proliferated?

The correct answer is: none of the above. While data differ and the statistics aren’t fully reliable, a good bet is that the best answer is the 1940s. In that period, life expectancy increased about seven years.

Indeed, American life expectancy appears to have been longer in 1942, 1943, 1944 and 1945 — even as hundreds of thousands of young Americans were being killed in World War II — than it had been when America was at peace in 1940.

A prime reason is that with the war mobilization, Americans got much better access to medical care. Farmers and workers who had rarely seen doctors now found themselves with medical coverage through the military, jobs in industry or New Deal programs.


 
Partly because of lack of access, American health statistics are notorious: Our children are two-and-a-half times as likely to die before the age of 5 as children in Sweden. American women are 11 times as likely to die in pregnancy or childbirth as Irish women. The average person in Honduras or Vietnam is expected to live longer than the average African-American in New Orleans.
 
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But but but Cubans try to get here on innertubes!  And we’re the best!  And .. uh .. free enterprise! 

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

A great deal of democrats on here upset with Rep. Lynch ???


HHHMmmmmm,


Is it out of reach yet? Going back on the agreement to have the Stupak language in the bill is going to be costly. Blame the people who did that.


Blame Obama.


Obama has completely mishandled the entire health care debate. Blame yourselves for voting for him.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

@DRINDL
Umm, don't think you want to bring up Enron... that's actually the model for the insurance industry -- driving up rates artifically to reap garguntuan profits and gouging people. It's a republican thing.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 4:03 PM
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The reality is that you described a greedy corporation.
Raising debt, raising taxes, stomping on free enterprise, growing government, stealing the future from a country, loathing the military and running a corrupt government while blaming everybody else for their failures.
That's a Democrat thing!

Posted by: dsamario | March 18, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Bwahahaha at RCP and Rasmussen. Are you trolls incapable of learning? Rasmussen is so far from all the others, don't you guys know anything? Dewey Wins!

But yeah, Obama is gonna be in big trouble in 2012, such a strong challenge from ... uh, from ... hang on a sec ... ummm, Mitt Romney? Yeah, Romney. He'll show up with his dyed hair, he'll center his tie and ... and ..

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Umm, don't think you want to bring up Enron... that's actually the model for the insurance industry -- driving up rates artifically to reap garguntuan profits and gouging people. It's a republican thing.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

@DRINDL
Between socialists and fascists, I prefer the former.

repoulicans are fascists so I hope they all fail.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 3:54 PM
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A little history class:
Definition of FASCISM:
: a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

This sounds like what Obama is doing!

Posted by: dsamario | March 18, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"I am new to professional photography but am willing to learn. I am looking for some teachers to show me some tricks. I am well versed in the basics and can offer high quality and creative shoots. Give me a shout, you won't regret it. "

oh my god, I'm going to die from stifling laughter. Zook took the profile down, but google still has it.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

you're a transvestite, too, drivel? fascinating.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The CBO numbers are a BIG LIE - how many ACCOUNTING TRICKS ARE IN THOSE NUMBERS ???


Obama has got to be kidding.


The health care bill is the ENRON OF ALL GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS - DO NOT BE FOOLED.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

More people disapprove (47.8%) of President Obama’s job performance than approve (47.3%), the first time that’s happened in Real Clear Politics’ poll average. The Fox and Gallup polls show him at a net -2% while Rasmussen is -10%. That’s a pretty clear impact from Obama’s relentless push for his unpopular health care agenda. Wavering Democrats from swing and GOP-leaning districts may want to keep their distance from the president.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

dribbl
She-Male


Foot Model


About me
I am new to modeling but am willing to learn. I am looking for some teachers to show me some tricks. I have the most wonderful bunions and corns. no one seems to mind the hair on my soles, it is a hobbit thing I beleive. I am also gifted with the largest feet of any beast in NY.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Between socialists and fascists, I prefer the former.

repoulicans are fascists so I hope they all fail.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Villanova is a bunch of socialists? Who knew?

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 18, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

@DDAWD
Well, sorry to everyone who wanted Obama to fail. Nova pulled it out. Obama's final four is still intact.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 3:21 PM
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Ofcourse we want him to fail...his policies are socialist.
The day he told Joe the Plumber that he want's to spread the wealth...ding, ding, ding....that's a socialist and/or marxist!

Posted by: dsamario | March 18, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for the request :)

I am in that area from time to time!! :D Have a fabulous 09'!!

XOXO
~Courtney

Chrystal Red

Thanx for the friend request =)
xxxxxxx
kiss&hugs
;-)
christelle

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

THE DAILY CALLER: My question is, though, that Democrats say you voted for self-executing rules yourself on three occasions.

PENCE: Yeah, sure.


Posted by: drindl
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No self-executing rules have ever been used for anything on the size and scope of HC and you know it.
Lib logic - any "process" will do except for trying known terrorists such as KLM.


Posted by: leapin | March 18, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

'I think dribbl has finally crossed that barrier where the funny farm is the only home left.'

nope, just readin your profile...

King of Zouk
Male


Photographer

About me
I am new to professional photography but am willing to learn. I am looking for some teachers to show me some tricks. I am well versed in the basics and can offer high quality and creative shoots. Give me a shout, you won't regret it.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Ped, you shouild be a climate scientist. you are already good at no data, incorrect models and faulty conclusions.

the short answer is NO, I am not your dream date you described aka someone who might tolerate you. I prefer hair on my women's heads. and a brain inside them.

you seem to suffer from some sort of obsessive compulsive disorder. blog all day, blog all night, swear allegience to vietnam, defend her to the death, buy thousands of CDs, adopt another bird, horde gold, say the stupidest thing possible, rinse, repeat. you carry a toxic aura around you.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The CBO numbers are a BIG LIE - how many ACCOUNTING TRICKS ARE IN THOSE NUMBERS.

Obama has got to be kidding.

The health care bill is the ENRON OF ALL GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS - DO NOT BE FOOLED.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

that last word is a country, in case you can't read it without the proper marks.

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they're called diacritics, phlegmlord

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

my goodness, drivel -- now those of us who saw your site understand where you get all your talk about blow up dolls-- you're talking about yourself.

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I figured zouk is fat, ulcerous, and a two pack a day smoker. People who have contempt for others who exercise always have something to cover up. Not that they need to, the belly covers it.

Noacoler
6pack & pecs of death

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I think Ped is upset that the conversation moved so quickly from stalking men in showers. He was all set to enlighten us on technique, the Norman Bates method - wearing a dress or the Rahm approach - commando or is that cannibal?

do they run the air conditioner in the showers in the gyms in vietnam?

that last word is a country, in case you can't read it without the proper marks.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I think dribbl has finally crossed that barrier where the funny farm is the only home left.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Re: WMD - Intelligent libs went along with the intelligence. Why didn't they take a stand?

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you can't blame people for being unready to believe that the President of the United States could be a shameless liar.

Fast forward eight years... now hardly anyone doesn't know that Republicans live and die with lies on their lips. Now you have them saying that 9/11 happened during the Clinton administration

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

some invisible spirit sneezed the universe into being
Posted by: Noacoler
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Thanks for checking in Noa (sort of like Noa's Ark!!!). Actually it was a visable spirit that sneezed the universe into being. Maybe Al Gore.

Posted by: leapin | March 18, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Well, sorry to everyone who wanted Obama to fail. Nova pulled it out. Obama's final four is still intact.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

my goodness, drivel -- now those of us who saw your site understand where you get all your talk about blow up dolls-- you're talking about yourself.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

i'm talking about king of zouk on model mayhem -- 'drivel.'

where you are a very established customer. seem to know every 'model [ahem] in DC.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Please don't encourage the Ped. He comes here for any attention. No one in real life will talk to her and her blow up doll recently sprung a leak.

Plus yesterday, some leprechaun made off with some of his gold. and then there's that billy goat clomp clomping all the time.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

ast week, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) stirred faux outrage over the House Democrats’ plan to use a “self-executing rule” to pass the Senate health care reform bill, saying Americans would “have standing to sue against” the bill and that it’s “breathtakingly unconstitutional.” The claim has now turned into the latest fact-free GOP talking point to try to kill reform; Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN) picked up on the theme yesterday. “It really tramples on the Constitution of the United States,” he said on the House floor.

Today, the Daily Caller’s Jon Ward asked Pence if it was “correct” to call the rule “unconstitutional.” “Well I think it’s probably unconstitutional,” he said, adding, “My background in law and constitutional issues suggests to me it’s unconstitutional.” But later in the interview, Pence admitted that he had voted for self-executing rules in the past:

THE DAILY CALLER: My question is, though, that Democrats say you voted for self-executing rules yourself on three occasions.

PENCE: Yeah, sure.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

@NOACOLER
What’s a soul? What ganglia does it reside in?

What bloody nonsense. “Souls” are an invention of prescientific peoples who believed that some invisible spirit sneezed the universe into being, and the idea has been retained to serve as the basis of theological blackmail. If you don’t obey the worldly church your “soul” is a-gunna burn is aitch ee double hockey sticks for eternity. (fa®t noise). Check it, bleed: life is thermodynamic and molecular and we have no undying part. When you breath your last you’re not going to heaven or hell, you’re going into a hole in the ground. Learn to deal with it.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 3:04 PM
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I want to know.......which breed of monkeys you come from?

Posted by: dsamario | March 18, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

It is not often that all three stooges post in a row. It makes it easy to compare the level of idiocy involved.

In this most recent case, I don't even know where to start. what are they even talking about?

If there are US citizens walking around with this level of imbecility, unsupervised, perhaps we do need adult intervention.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"...not glorifying the lies..."

which lies?

That Hussein had WMD or that Hussein had ties to Al-Qaeda?

Or was it that tax cuts for the richest people would actually shrink the deficit by increasing the tax base?

Or that the Repubs actually want to reform health care and stop large insurance companies from making exorbitant profits at the expensae of the American people?

To which lies do you refer?

Posted by: SamanthaAdams
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Bush did this or Bush did that is not a justification for Obama and Company but it's the left's well known default retort.

Re: WMD - Intelligent libs went along with the intelligence. Why didn't they take a stand? Tax cuts can and have been effective at times but increased revenues have also been overwhelmed by massive new spending. Is a 3-4% profit exorbitant?

Come up for air after swallowing.

Posted by: leapin | March 18, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

dribbl is an out of work copier who needs professional psychiatric help daily, so I wouldn't blah blah blah.

Dumb liberals know more about medicine than doctors.

dumb liberals know more about money than economists.

dumb liberals know more abour war than generals.

dumb liberals know more about energy than exxon.

dumb liberals know so much. all of it wrong.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

@12BB
Here's another one as reported by another poster, drivl.

Michael Arcuri, Democrat of New York, is telling colleagues he's a "no" on the health-care bill. He was a "yes" last fall.

It's getting real bad for deadbeats.
Real good for the senior citizens and true Americans.

Posted by: dsamario | March 18, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Don't you know that Catholics teach that everone has a soul? I also have the common sense to separate actions from words unlike you and the hoodwinked Catholic associations.
 
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What’s a soul?  What ganglia does it reside in?
 
What bloody nonsense.  “Souls” are an invention of prescientific peoples who believed that some invisible spirit sneezed the universe into being, and the idea has been retained to serve as the basis of theological blackmail.  If you don’t obey the worldly church your “soul” is a-gunna burn is aitch ee double hockey sticks for eternity.  (fa®t noise).  Check it, bleed: life is thermodynamic and molecular and we have no undying part.  When you breath your last you’re not going to heaven or hell, you’re going into a hole in the ground.  Learn to deal with it.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

ZOMG, Intrade is predicting that Kerry won the 2004 election! Quick! Buy enough Bush shares and then cash out for a yacht!

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

kingofzouk/drivel -- I knew you had to pay for it.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Coburn is the gynecologist who claimed he had 'medically treated' John Ensign, so I wouldn't put too much credence in anythng he says.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

We have a stooge quorum. Ped, dribbl and DDAWD. the relative intelligence has now submerged for the day.

from here on it will all be insult, piss and vinegar.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Yea, but what did Richard Blumenthal name his boat ????


He has nothing on her.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Wonder why liberals are constantly being accused of being "know-it-alls" and "you think you're SOOOOOOOO smart"? I never hear of conservatives being accused of being too smart or too informed. Quite the opposite.

Wonder what deep resentment this reveals?

Posted by: 12BarBlues
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Because it is all self-proclaimed from the pillars of liberalism - the Obama cabinet, the libs in Congress and state legislatures, the public intellectuals in the universities and foundations, the arts crowd, and the Hollywood elite. For all the supposed intelligence,
the lib legacy is debt, high taxes, bloated bureaucracies, the destruction of the inner-city family, and welfare dependency. There is no resentment beyond the sadness of the destruction of a great country. After all the welfare society was only possible because of America’s economic system that resulted in great prosperity. The system that is now mocked and the one that libs think can be destroyed and somehow the welfare society will be self-perpetuating. There are more important things than intelligence such as the soul and not glorifying the lies and corruption openly displayed by your liberal icons.

Posted by: leapin | March 18, 2010 2:31 PM
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Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I rest my case. You plagiarized this from pajamas media. Since conservatives are not accused by being too smart or informed, just on a little hunch, I googled your words, and guess what comes up? Oh, excuse me, unless you ARE Victor Davis Hanson.

http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/reflections-on-the-revolution-in-america/?singlepage=true
Start with the third paragraph under "Radical But Well Off"

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Look at all the consetvatrolls lining up with their inferences, proudly showing their tea leaves spelling out doom and failure. Look at the entrails!! They clearly speak that "Nancy" doesn't have the votes!! WATERLOOOOOOOOO!!!

Expect geo- and necromancy to follow.

@kouk: Fred Kagan? Bwahahaha!! Another neocon failure trying to stay out of prison. That whole family should be dumped in a ditch and set ablaze. And with allies like Israel who needs enemies?

Posted by: Noacoler | March 18, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"It's Still Close. Really Close."

That is because the vote is not until Sunday.
Points are still being scored, promises are being made.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

yes, obviosly leapin, you are smarter and more moral than nuns and bishops.LOL.

and drivel/kingofzouk -- what about the girls over at Model Mayhem? They must be missing you. Btw, what is 'image not viewable, worksafe mode on?

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Well, hopefully Coburn won't be needed to cast the 50th vote.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

allegations of misspending coupled with mass lay-offs

sounds like standard liberal govenment to me.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

DRIVL:

As much as I wouldn't mind seeing Barbara Boxer lose, how in the world is Carly Fiorina going to beat her? Carly's tenure at HP was so controversial with allegations of misspending coupled with mass lay-offs that it's hard to see how anyone would be excited about voting for her.

Posted by: Jay20 | March 18, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Coburn also had harsh words for the Congressional Budget Office, which released estimates Thursday that the Democrats’ bill would cut the federal deficit reduce the deficit by about $130 billion in the first 10 years and by $1.2 trillion over the second 10 years. Coburn said the estimates do not take into account increases in physician pay or other factors and are merely part of gaming the American people.


“It’s not only smoke and mirrors, it’s flat out dishonest,” he said.


The group of Republican physicians who joined Coburn at a Thursday morning press conference made a range of apocalyptic predictions about what health care reform would do to the country. Rep. Michael Burgess (R-Tex.) said up to one third of doctors would retire if the health care bill passes. Rep. Phil Roe (R-Tenn.) said the bill would lead to the rationing of care. Rep. John Fleming (R-La.) called the bill “the largest dive into incremental socialism our country has ever seen.”

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

" There are more important things than intelligence such as the soul and not glorifying the lies and corruption openly displayed by your liberal icons."

You possess neither intelligence nor soul, so how would you know?

Posted by: drindl
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Don't you know that Catholics teach that everone has a soul? I also have the common sense to separate actions from words unlike you and the hoodwinked Catholic associations.

Posted by: leapin | March 18, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

It's Still Close. Really Close.

Here are the latest Whip Counts from various blog and media sources. Remember, once either side hits 216, it's game over.

NRCC's Red Alert: Yes: 200 No: 206 Undecided: 25

Washington Post: Yes: 149 No: 207 Undecided: 75

Reid Wilson: No: 197 (Update to come this afternoon)

Gabe Malor: Yes: 192.

FireDogLake (from yesterday): Yes: 191 No: 206

In short, neither side has the 216; the noes look a little bit ahead, but that means nothing if most of the remaining undecided - all Democrats - support the bill and just don't want to say so yet.

UPDATE: A couple folks quibble with the phrase, "game over." Put another way, once there are 216 certain "no" votes, Pelosi will not call the vote. They'll keep trying to pry someone loose, and note that three empty seats will be filled in the coming months. (Democrats have a really good shot in Wexler's district, a decent shot in Murtha's district, and a still-workable shot in Abercombie's district.)

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Man, Billy Donovan has aged since winning those championships. Double OT in that game. Go BYU!

Looks like Nova caught up.

Murray vs Vandy just started. Another one of my upset picks. My favorite upset pick, actually.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

dribbl's mass email is off topic for the blog today.

too bad for us. Eat it anyway.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama's comment about Hawaii being eligible for additional federal funds just confirms that the COST OF THIS HEALTH CARE BILL ARE GOING TO EXPLODE

Obama is creating a man-made disaster.

If one looks at the estimates in 1960s of what Medicare was going to cost - by 1980 - 15 years later - the COSTS WERE TEN TIMES WHAT THE ESTIMATES WERE.

The costs are going to EXPLODE

DID THE CBO HAVE "HAWAII EARTHQUAKE FUNDS" IN THEIR ESTIMATES, I DON'T THINK SO.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"...not glorifying the lies..."

which lies?

That Hussein had WMD or that Hussein had ties to Al-Qaeda?

Or was it that tax cuts for the richest people would actually shrink the deficit by increasing the tax base?

Or that the Repubs actually want to reform health care and stop large insurance companies from making exorbitant profits at the expensae of the American people?

To which lies do you refer?

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 18, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

For the past few days, hate radio host Rush Limbaugh has been urging his listeners to call Congress and oppose health care. Yesterday, he gleefully aired clips of journalists touting his project, urging his followers to keep up the pressure:

LIMBAUGH: So here are the numbers, the toll-free number for the Capitol Switchboard: 877-762-8762. The toll call number, the direct toll number is 202-224-3121. Now, we have these numbers at RushLimbaugh.com if you don’t have a way to write them down, if you’re driving around or something. If you have a smart phone, you can log on at a red light and get the numbers. Here they are again: 877-762-8762, I guess this is the third time now that I’m — or maybe I could just say this is a continuation of yesterday, still only the second time in history that I have advocated this. And there’s no better time than now. It is really crucial. I think all these phone calls that you made yesterday, there’s no question at all they had an impact. I mean everybody noted it at the Capitol Hill switchboard.

Limbaugh seems eager to be in the spotlight after his “spawn,” Glenn Beck, has been getting all the attention lately. To do so, Limbaugh is adopting a Beck-style tactic that he previously derided. In an interview with Politico last year, Limbaugh said that telling people to “call Washington” was “cheap and disingenuous“:

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"Boehner’s remarks are simply part of a long-running effort by Republicans to ingratiate themselves with the financial industry. Boehner has met with JP Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon to troll for campaign contributions, while Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX), chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, “said he visited New York about twice a month to try to tap into Wall Street’s ‘buyers remorse’” with Democrats. Back in December, House Republicans huddled with more than 100 financial services lobbyists to come up with a strategy for killing financial reform. And just today, as Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL) told the ABA summit that “if there were 59 Senate Republicans ‘you wouldn’t have to worry’ about a new consumer agency.”

But as Summers noted, it’s not as if the financial services industry and its allies need any help. The Chamber of Commerce has already pledged to spend $3 million fighting financial reform, and that’s chump change compared to what the banks themselves spend. All told, the financial services industry spent $500 million on lobbying in 2009. In their respective careers, Boehner has received $3.4 million from the financial services industry, while Shelby has received $5.2 million, which is $2.2 million more than he’s received from any other industry."

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Nah. Wisconsin. Babcock Hall ice cream is the best. Not to mention Brats & Brew.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 18, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Boehner -- banker's favorite wh*re. Bend over, Boehner.... good boy, Boehner -- here's a bone.

Yesterday, speaking at the American Bankers Association governmental relations summit, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) told the gathered bankers to fight Congressional financial reform efforts. “Don’t let those little punk staffers take advantage of you and stand up for yourselves,” Boehner said.

Today, White House National Economic Council Director Larry Summers fired back at Boehner, saying that bankers certainly do not need any help in their effort to blunt regulatory reform:

“I do not think that those who want to address these issues are ‘little punk staffers’ who need to be stood up to,” Summers said in a speech at the National Press Club…“At a moment when there are four lobbyists per member of the House and Senate working on this issue, we in the Administration do not believe that the prominent issue is allowing bankers to stand up for themselves.”

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

DRIVL WRITES


The folks at Media Matters for America think it's an open-and-shut case: "In fact, according to the U.S. Geological Survey, a magnitude 6.7 earthquake hit Hawaii on October 15, 2006."


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OK, so Obama was trying to make the point that ANY state which had been declared a federal disaster area is ELIGIBLE -


My question Eligible FOR WHAT ???

Is the eligibility limited to a time period, or can the New Jersey flooding this week count ?

This just goes to show, with 2700 pages, no one really knows what the democrats have slipped in there - they have interpretations of phrases which are buried in there ---


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

" There are more important things than intelligence such as the soul and not glorifying the lies and corruption openly displayed by your liberal icons."

You possess neither intelligence nor soul, so how would you know?

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

SAN FRANCISCO - Democratic stalwart Barbara Boxer risks losing her U.S. Senate seat in the November election, a California poll showed on Thursday, in a sign that voter backlash is spreading to a reliably liberal state. President Barack Obama is defending strong Democratic majorities in Congress at a time when dissatisfaction is high and the controlling party has failed to pass two high priority bills, on health care and climate change. (Snip) Boxer's unfavorable rating has shot up to 51 percent from 39 percent in two months and she is in a statistical dead heat

Maybe berry can campaign for her and seal the loss.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

the real christians support the bill:

'In recent weeks, the number of Democratic lawmakers willing to join Rep. Bart Stupak’s (D-MI) crusade to bring down health care reform unless Congress amends the Senate bill’s abortion language keeps shrinking. Stupak began the debate with that 15 to 20 supporters; that number is down to fewer than a dozen now. As Igor Volsky notes, “it’s become difficult for Stupak and his gang of four (or five) to perpetuate the fundamentally dishonest claim that the Senate bill spends federal dollars to fund abortions.” Underscoring this point, this week, a group of 25 “pro-life Catholic theologians and Evangelical leaders” sent a letter to Congress urging them to look past the misinformation on abortion and pass health care reform. From their letter:

As Christians committed to a consistent ethic of life, and deeply concerned with the health and well-being of all people, we want to see health care reform enacted. [...]

We are writing because of our concern about the lack of clear and accurate information regarding abortion provisions in the health care reform bill passed by the Senate on December 24, 2009.

Reforming our health care system is necessarily complex, and the provisions related to abortion, or any other issue, require careful examination of the facts as they exist in the legislative language. We believe that the provisions below provide extensive evidence that longstanding restrictions on federal funding of abortion have been maintained. Furthermore, this bill provides new and important supports for vulnerable pregnant women.

UPDATE The Catholic Health Association, "the national leadership organization of more than 2,000 Catholic health care sponsors, systems, hospitals, long-term care facilities, and related organizations," has also sent Congress a letter urging lawmakers to pass the Senate health bill. The group writes that while the legislation isn't perfect, it is "'a major first step' toward covering all Americans and would make 'great improvements' for millions of people."

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

hey... just kidding. I'm all for bi-partisanship.

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 18, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

John Conyers, Husband of the Year

As a congressman, John Conyers of Michigan makes $170,000 per year. So why has a federal judge just determined that his wife Monica Conyers, who is appealing her conviction on bribery charges, is indigent and will require a taxpayer-funded public defender?

It's what liberals do. they cheat. they bribe. they steal. they want you to pay.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Wonder why liberals are constantly being accused of being "know-it-alls" and "you think you're SOOOOOOOO smart"? I never hear of conservatives being accused of being too smart or too informed. Quite the opposite.

Wonder what deep resentment this reveals?

Posted by: 12BarBlues
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Because it is all self-proclaimed from the pillars of liberalism - the Obama cabinet, the libs in Congress and state legislatures, the public intellectuals in the universities and foundations, the arts crowd, and the Hollywood elite. For all the supposed intelligence,
the lib legacy is debt, high taxes, bloated bureaucracies, the destruction of the inner-city family, and welfare dependency. There is no resentment beyond the sadness of the destruction of a great country. After all the welfare society was only possible because of America’s economic system that resulted in great prosperity. The system that is now mocked and the one that libs think can be destroyed and somehow the welfare society will be self-perpetuating. There are more important things than intelligence such as the soul and not glorifying the lies and corruption openly displayed by your liberal icons.

Posted by: leapin | March 18, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Here’s what’s going to happen:

[warning: conservatives, this may be hard to hear – you may cry in your pabst blue ribbons, continue reading at your own risk]

The Dems are going to whip out their big, swollen 2,400 page Health Care Reform Bill and ram it down the Repubs throats. The Repubs will gag and choke and try to resist, but will gulp it down; swallow it whole – all of it.

The Dems are going to whip out their big, swollen Banking Reform Bill and ram it down the Repubs throats. The Repubs will gag and choke and try to resist, but will gulp it down; swallow it whole – all of it.

The Dems are going to whip out their big, swollen Jobs Creation Bill and ram it down the Repubs throats. The Repubs will gag and choke and try to resist, but will gulp it down; swallow it whole – all of it.

Then… in the mid-term elections:

The Dems will lose some seats in both Houses of Congress but will maintain a majority in both. Emboldened by their legislative successes, the Dems will do more ramming and the Repubs more swallowing.

Then, President Obama will crush Mitt Romney in 2012 and the ramming and swallowing will go on for 4 more years.

So… conservatives… get ready for 6 more years of swallowing...

Get used to it. Gulp it down.

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 18, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

When Illinois Democrats Won't Get on Board, This Bill's in Trouble

An Illinois Democrat switches from yes to no, is lobbied by the White House, and remains a "no."

And oh, by the way, this Democrat, Jerry Costello, represents a district that Obama won, 56 percent to 43 percent; Costello hasn't had less than 60 percent of the vote since 1998.

I'm starting to think Pelosi isn't going to get her 216. For starters, Obamacare backers seemed awfully excited about Kucinich's support, which I suspect a lot of us thought would eventually fall into place. Second, he's actually the least useful new supporter in terms of persuading the other waverers; "Approved by Dennis Kucinich" isn't a slogan that flies in the district of Baron Hill in Indiana or John Barrow in Georgia or Glenn Nye in Virginia.

We're still counting about two dozen holdouts and waverers and undecideds; this is after several weeks of all-out pressure from Obama, Pelosi, Hoyer and the others.

I'm not willing to say that Pelosi can't get the votes. But it sure is taking a long while to get retirees like Brian Baird, Bart Gordon, and John Tanner officially on board, isn't it? I thought they were supposed to be a slam dunk, comparably . . .

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Marjorie Margolies Mezvinsky just the WRONG PERSON to parade out right now - but MSNBC and Chris Matthews had her on yesterday - NOT A GOOD IDEA.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

king of zouk/drivel-- isn't all this posting taking time away from your photography hobby? The girls will be wondering where you are!

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Well, I picked the Old Dominion game. My first correct upset.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Process - the bottom line is that the Senate bill was NEVER intended to be the final product - Reid wrote the bill to create negotiating positions in the then-anticipated conference talks with the House democrats.

That never happened - instead Obama picked up this document - which was NEVER negotiated between the Houses properly - and started what we have now -


This is the root of all the "process" objections - Obama started all this.

The problem is Obama is really pushing the limit with the "deem and pass" - and all the democrats are looking like "thieves in the night" - running away from any discussion on the topic.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 18, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Rounding up the votes for health care has also proven difficult. House Democratic Whip Jim Clyburn told McClatchy Newspapers that final consideration of the bill may not occur until Easter (April 4) or later. He is dealing with dozens of members who refuse to commit to a firm position in hopes their silence will force the leadership to pull the bill and move on to other issues. "Just say nothing," is how one Democratic staffer explained the strategy being taken by many members. "Maybe it will just go away, and we can avoid a tough vote this close to the election."

On the one hand, if this mentality is widespread, it might explain why we have so many undecided (or at least claiming to be undecided) folks — 77 by one count! — with the final vote coming up in two days and change. And it's not that hard to imagine a nervous House Democrat thinking they can escape a tough spot by refusing to take a position.

But is it really conceivable that Pelosi would scrap the president's signature legislative agenda item without a vote? If these folks wanted the bill to go away, wouldn't they be better off privately indicating to Pelosi that if it comes to a vote, they'll have to be a "no"?

And what happens when "just say nothing" is no longer viable? "Just vote present"?

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The subtext of the Kagan column from yesterday was pretty clear: all around the world, we’re spitting on our allies and groveling before our enemies and the most hostile states. For two years, we argued that the world didn’t work the way Obama said it did; now we’re getting to see the results

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama: Forget the Details, Let's Just Pass This Thing Quick

President Obama, during his interview with Fox News anchor Bret Baier: "What I'm saying is whatever they end up voting on — and I hope it's going to be sometime this week — that it is going to be a vote for or against my health-care proposal. That's what matters." Moments later:

BAIER: OK, the Florida deal, in or out?

OBAMA: The Florida deal —

BAIER: Paying for Medicare Advantage, exempting 800,000 Floridians from —

OBAMA: My understanding is that whatever is going to be done on Medicare is going to apply across the board to all states.

So the president hopes for a vote within the next three days, even though he's really not sure whether the special deals are in or out.

Remember when we were told how much Obama focused on the details?

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Revision below:

The Republicans approach to solving the broken healthcare system:

Delay, Block, Repeal
2010
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Delay, Block, Repeal, Revenge
2010

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

CONSERVATIVES are fixated about seeing the President fail. But, I personally don't want to see Obama's administration completely implode any more than I wanted to see Lyndon Johnson's or Jimmy Carter's.

It hurts the entire country when a President's administration fails.

With that having been said, the President has done very little to help himself because what he's marketing ISN'T HEALTH CARE REFORM. It's Health Insurance PREMIUM and COVERAGE Reform.

Health Care Reform would include making hospital more competitive and PUSHING PREVENTATIVE MEDICINE and issues such as ensuring communities have non-contaminated water, etc.

The cumulative health insurance industry has a substantially lower profit margin than most other major industries in this country; they really aren't the problem.

Finally, for the President to succeed, he must turn has attention post-haste to creating more technological positions. Because frankly, the overwhelming majority of Americans have their insurance through work and many would run the risk of being uncovered if they are unemployed or underemployed anyway.

Posted by: Jay20 | March 18, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Chairman zero confused again, make that as usual:

About That Hawaiian Earthquake . . .

A lot of folks are scratching their heads over a comment President Obama made to Bret Baier about the infamous "Louisiana Purchase":

That provision, which I think should remain in, said that if a state has been affected by a natural catastrophe, that has created a special health care emergency in that state, they should get help. Louisiana, obviously, went through Katrina, and they’re still trying to deal with the enormous challenges that were faced because of that. . . . It also affects Hawaii, which went through an earthquake.

A lot of bloggers are asking, "What earthquake?"

The folks at Media Matters for America think it's an open-and-shut case: "In fact, according to the U.S. Geological Survey, a magnitude 6.7 earthquake hit Hawaii on October 15, 2006."

But there's a catch. Yes, that was a pretty powerful earthquake, but judging from press accounts, thankfully injuries were pretty minor. USA Today: "No deaths or serious injuries were reported." The FEMA report from two days afterward makes no mention of injuries or problems at medical facilities. When Bush declared the event a federal disaster, Fox News reported, "No deaths or serious injuries were reported, and the damage appeared to be scattered, allowing most tourists and residents to resume life as normal."

Katrina's impact on Louisiana's health-care system and the health problems of its residents is pretty clear and straightforward; by no stretch of the imagination did the quake overwhelm Hawaiian health-care facilities. Comparing this earthquake to Katrina seems rather absurd; life returned to normal in most of Hawaii within a few days, compared to the years of rebuilding necessary in certain parts of Louisiana.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Make your own job doof, that's how the free market works.

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 18, 2010 2:10 PM

run my own business. doing very well. don't need a job myself.

Posted by: doof | March 18, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I Suspect Michael Arcuri Hears Richard Hanna's Footsteps

Michael Arcuri, Democrat of New York, is telling colleagues he's a "no" on the health-care bill. He was a "yes" last fall.

I can't help but suspect that entrepreneur and philanthropist Richard Hanna had something to do with it. Arcuri beat Hanna by 4 percentage points — about 10,000 votes. (Obama won this district by about 6,500 votes; four years earlier, Bush won it by about 17,000 votes.) Hanna is running again this year.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

go coburn, beat back the corruption:

Tom Coburn, from a press conference a little earlier:

I want to send a couple of messages to my colleagues in the House.

If you voted no and you vote yes, and you lose your election, and you think any nomination to a federal position isn't going to be held in the Senate, I've got news for you. It's going to be held.

Number two is, if you get a deal, a parochial deal for you or your district, I've already instructed my staff and the staff of seven other senators that we will look at every appropriations bill, at every level, at every instance, and we will outline it by district, and we will associate that with the buying of your vote. So, if you think you can cut a deal now, and it not come out until after the election, I want to tell you that isn't going to happen. And be prepared to defend selling your vote in the House.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD wrote "I'm not sure what the point of manipulating the Obamacare market would be."
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The chief point is to irritate the hell out of 37th&O. Which could be good or bad, depending...

Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama has been pressing Cao? If they need him, they're screwed.

2 new Yes votes go to No.

President puts off trip until June, which must mean it isn't going to happen by Sunday.

This is bad news, I don't care how much they spin the CBO score.

I concur on Cao; he's been talking about his doubts on the Senate version since January.

Arcuri was more or less suspected to be a "no." Lynch surprises me.

The Sunday departure was in trouble when the CBO didn't offer its score yesterday afternoon.

By my count, Pelosi still needs a lot of folks to flip from "no" to "yes." You know the likely crew: Bart Gordon, John Tanner, Brian Baird, John Boccieri, Suzanne Kosmas, Betsy Markey, Scott Murphy, Jim Matheson, Harry Teague, Travis Childers, John Barrow, Jason Altmire, Glenn Nye.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I can understand manipulating the market for something like a Presidential election where intrade might spur potential voters to action where they might have gotten complacent and stayed home.

I'm not sure what the point of manipulating the Obamacare market would be. The only people who are voting for it are congressmen and they are looking at polls, not intrade. It's just a talking point. Not sure what the point is in the talking point. Maybe it will make me sad or something.

I actually picked Nova to lose in the second round. I wouldn't mind if they lost the first game.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

doof asks
"are jobs back?"


Make your own job doof, that's how the free market works.


Or are you sittin' on yer hiney, waitin' fer a goberment handout?

.

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 18, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

@12BB
Here's one and I'm working on the other.
FOXNEWS
Rep. Stephen Lynch, D-Mass., who helps round up votes for the leadership, told the Herald the plan is "disingenuous" and threatened to vote against it unless he sees changes. Lynch voted for the House health bill last year.

BTW: Obama has postponed his Asian trip....again. Does not look good!

Posted by: dsamario | March 18, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

The President of the United States is just too polite and mellow. Where is an angry black man when you need him?

Posted by: matthewjblack
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He comes out when asked a tough question. If he was polite he would answer the question not go into his stump speech.

Posted by: leapin | March 18, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I interviewed there for grad school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

didn't get in? te he.

smart people go to grad school. Hence the confusion.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

You statists are know-it-alls
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Wonder why liberals are constantly being accused of being "know-it-alls" and "you think you're SOOOOOOOO smart"? I never hear of conservatives being accused of being too smart or too informed. Quite the opposite.

Wonder what deep resentment this reveals?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Like the Little Red Hen said, "Coming!"

When FedEx beats Wall Street's profit expectations for a full quarter, job creation is right around the corner.

We know what FedEx transports right?
Product. Every economic indicator is right where it needs to be. To stay with the nursery rhymes, we are not too hot (bubbles burst), not to cold (no double dip), we are just right.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

hoyer said earlier today that they didn't need obama here on sunday to pass health care. now obama cancels trip.

Posted by: doof | March 18, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

From what I saw, the Foxbot kept interrupting the President of the United States to demand that he explain stuff Republicans just made up.

I'd like to see the same Foxbot question Winky that way!

The President of the United States is just too polite and mellow. Where is an angry black man when you need him?

Posted by: matthewjblack | March 18, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"@DDAWD
If the Senate bill is soooo great and the best thing since healthinsurance's invention.
Why do they need to use the slaughter rule?
Why does Obama need to make deals behind close doors?
Why can't he rely on his majority in congress?
Most people know why but I guess YOU don't.

Posted by: dsamario"

Like most of the country, I don't know and like most of the country, I don't care. FOX News talking heads can have fun with this topic. Everyone else is bored with it.

But give it a shot. If they can keep the debate on procedure, then kudos to them. But it's already Thursday and people will be talking about the bill for the next two days. Then the vote is on Sunday.

Posted by: DDAWD
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How disingenuous - "I don't know". You statists are know-it-alls but you know nothing when it comes to your corruption.

Posted by: leapin | March 18, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

From what I hear, the Dems lost 2 votes within the hour who previuosly supported it.

Posted by: dsamario | March 18, 2010 1:45 PM
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Names? Source?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

This is a great day.

American confidence is back.
No doubt about it.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 1:45 PM


are jobs back?

Posted by: doof | March 18, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I think intrade movement will hinge on commitments from Congressmen to really have a chance at moving up. It's at about 75% right now, so I don't think it really has much of a chance at moving up much unless some people come out and declare. I don't think that's going to happen until the actual vote. 75% is a pretty robust level of certainty.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 1:41 PM
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If Intrade means anything constructive--

One can use it as an instant assessment of the vote count. Doesn't mean the traders know anything more than we do, but it's more data.

If Intrade is totally manipulated by political operatives--

Then it means nothing and should be ignored. I don't know why political operatives wouldn't just drive it up to 95% if they're in there manipulating the trades.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

This is a great day.

American confidence is back.
No doubt about it.

The Republican dumpster fire is still burning out of control (boy are they mad!). The smoke stinks, but it will run out of burning garbage soon enough.

Only bad news in the offing, if nova (won't go in Spanish) loses, 99% of brackets will be busted.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

From what I hear, the Dems lost 2 votes within the hour who previuosly supported it.

Posted by: dsamario | March 18, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

just read that obama postponed trip till june. trouble ahead??

Posted by: doof | March 18, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I think intrade movement will hinge on commitments from Congressmen to really have a chance at moving up. It's at about 75% right now, so I don't think it really has much of a chance at moving up much unless some people come out and declare. I don't think that's going to happen until the actual vote. 75% is a pretty robust level of certainty.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD is simply trying to maintain his reputation as the stupidest poster on the blog. Never dissappoints.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 1:32 PM
___________________________________________
Man.... you're so right!
The coolest thing about him posting his opinion is that in the back of his mind, he's repeating: "I think I can, I think I can."

Posted by: dsamario | March 18, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Did you go to UCSB? I interviewed there for grad school. It's an incredible campus. And their biology building - you leave the building and you're literally walking in sand. I swear, if I went there, I'd have ended up as a surf bum.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Since Zouk has the top three spots nailed down, there's nothing to worry about.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 18, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

A question?
How can the CBO give a number, especially when the bill is not written.
So the information given to them was incomplete which renders that figure useless.
See what happens when the left tries to scam everyone. I'ts useless!

Posted by: dsamario | March 18, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

not much movement at intrade. contract still in low 70s. cbo report did not have big impact

Posted by: doof | March 18, 2010 1:30 PM
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I don't know if that's the good news. 37th is convinced that it's all being manipulated by democratic political operatives. So why aren't they in there manipulating?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD is simply trying to maintain his reputation as the stupidest poster on the blog. Never dissappoints.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"LOOK....
DDAWD is acting just like Obama did last night's interview with Fox News.
Talk, talk and repeat the talking points.
Don't answer the questions.
Filibuster!
In other words: talk to the wall, 'cause no one is listening!

Posted by: dsamario"

And you're doing a great Baier - keep the focus off the policy at all costs!

But hey, if we're roleplaying, I've got the character I want. You can be happy being Jeff Baier.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

not much movement at intrade. contract still in low 70s. cbo report did not have big impact

Posted by: doof | March 18, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Got a little free time after all. I forgot that the Gauchos play tonight. Robert Morris is up 6 on Villanova at half time.

When all of your arguments are about process and not-so-clever puns, you've lost the debate.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 18, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

LOOK....
DDAWD is acting just like Obama did last night's interview with Fox News.
Talk, talk and repeat the talking points.
Don't answer the questions.
Filibuster!
In other words: talk to the wall, 'cause no one is listening!

Posted by: dsamario | March 18, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: doof | March 18, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"@DDAWD
If the Senate bill is soooo great and the best thing since healthinsurance's invention.
Why do they need to use the slaughter rule?
Why does Obama need to make deals behind close doors?
Why can't he rely on his majority in congress?
Most people know why but I guess YOU don't.

Posted by: dsamario"

Like most of the country, I don't know and like most of the country, I don't care. FOX News talking heads can have fun with this topic. Everyone else is bored with it.

But give it a shot. If they can keep the debate on procedure, then kudos to them. But it's already Thursday and people will be talking about the bill for the next two days. Then the vote is on Sunday.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

12bb, not sure when they kick in for adults, but they kick in for children either immediately or within a few months.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 1:09 PM
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It's ok with me if kids go first. I've been uninsurable for nearly 12 years, so I can wait a little longer. At least someday I WILL be able to buy insurance.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Ask me again in 72 hours? I'll be at a computer.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 1:11 PM


if pelosi had the votes she would fill the house chamber now and vote

Posted by: doof | March 18, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Did you check out those news photos of Vice President Biden standing beneath the portrait of Arafat? Biden was all smiles, Arafat was all smiles — a sweet scene. I am reminded that, in the eight years of Clinton, Arafat was the most frequent foreign visitor to the White House. Clinton’s successor refused to deal with Arafat after the PLO chairman lied to him about the Karine A — the freighter bearing many tons of weapons.

I liked George W. Bush. A lot.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I am not a liberal Democrat, and you may not be, either. But if we were: Don’t you think we’d be embarrassed at the way Pelosi et al. are going about getting “Obamacare” through? The parliamentary maneuvering, the skullduggery? Especially after Obama and the party at large promised openness, transparency, orderliness, and so on? The Democrats’ legislation would mark a major change in the way we operate in this country. Don’t you think the legislation should be handled with honesty and dignity?

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

@DDAWD
If the Senate bill is soooo great and the best thing since healthinsurance's invention.
Why do they need to use the slaughter rule?
Why does Obama need to make deals behind close doors?
Why can't he rely on his majority in congress?
Most people know why but I guess YOU don't.

Posted by: dsamario | March 18, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

The democrats try to solve the broken healthcare system:

"Governments can err, presidents do make mistakes, but the immortal Dante tells us that Divine justice weighs the sins of the cold-blooded and the sins of the warm-hearted on different scales. Better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference." FDR 1936

The Republicans approach to solving the broken healthcare system:

Delay, Block, Repeal
2010

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"why do the democrats still not have the votes if bill is so great?

Posted by: doof "

Ask me again in 72 hours? I'll be at a computer.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

12bb, not sure when they kick in for adults, but they kick in for children either immediately or within a few months.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

JD3, why can't YOU be the one to not have a life??

But I read the column on the five myths. Some minor disagreements I've got.

"That meeting also made plain the wide policy gap between the two parties; Democrats were focused primarily on expanding coverage, while Republicans were fixated on controlling costs. "

Referring to the Blair Summit. It's pretty clear that the Republicans weren't interested in controlling costs. Time and time again, the CBO has said that this bill will reduce the deficit. And they are saying it again. Yet you will not see a single Republican vote for it.

#3 on Scott Brown. Brown could have changed everything if he were elected earlier. The thing is that election was held a month after the Senate passed the bill. Brown's election meant that the Senate bill was the bill. There could be no congressional conference between the House and the Senate. Instead, the House will pass the Senate bill plus the reconciliation sidecar. It was fortunate that the Senate bill was passed before Brown taking office. If not, this thing would be dead. In terms of scaring House Democrats, yeah, it did have that effect, but the sidecar strengthens the bill, not weakening it. While Dems might be scared, they are still going to vote for it.

As for #2 on the public option, yes, it's dead in THIS bill. But what we needed was the three pillars of subsidies, mandate, and guaranteed coverage. We have all those. The public option was never one of the major pillars. Now that we have the framework, we can add things on. The PO is much more popular than the bill overall. It is definitely more plausible that we can get it passed as a separate bill. Incidentally, 12BB, I think it is this realization that is making liberals more in favor of the bill. They realize that there is a ton of good stuff in there. And if they are realizing it, then the country is realizing it. Death panels are a fading memory. Socialism is just another cry of wolf among many.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

So this is the bill...

No wonder Republicans want to talk about deem and whatever. Because talking about the bill will get them hammered politically.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 12:46 PM


why do the democrats still not have the votes if bill is so great?

Posted by: doof | March 18, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

@ddawd,

When do the provisions against pre-existing conditions kick in?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

So this is the bill

Covers 95% of legal residents

Prevents insurance comps from discriminating based on preexisting conditions

Requires spending most of premiums on actual health care

Requires them to explain all price hikes

Closes the medicare donut hole

Massive subsidies for people who can't afford it

Cuts the deficit by $180 billion over the first 10 years

Cuts it by over $1 trillion over the second 10 years

No wonder Republicans want to talk about deem and whatever. Because talking about the bill will get them hammered politically.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile in Virginia, home of so many of the Founding Fathers who have been spinning in their graves since November 2008,

Virginia last week became the first state in the country to pass a state bill declaring it illegal for the government to require individuals to purchase health insurance, a key part of bills under consideration on Capitol Hill.

I was told before the Moonbat Messiah was elected that he would unite the country. If he keeps uniting us like this, we'll have another Civil War.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Let's get away from those personal horror stories about healthcare. I wouldn't tell my personal horror story because I know it would nauseate conservatives on this blog and would result in being attacked for being so selfish that I went off and JUST GOT cancer (and what did I do to bring THAT on) and now I'm uninsurable.

Anyway, for poll wonks among us, look at this:

Why Liberals (Suddenly) Love the Health Care Bill
by Nate Silver @ 2:34 AM


Public Policy Polling has found a rather dramatic increase in support for health care legislation among liberals. 89 percent of self-described liberals now support the bill -- just 3 percent are opposed -- a shift which appears to account for most of the somewhat improved numbers that the bill is experiencing overall...

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
second article

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 18, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

CC's got a good 5 myths post on the main page. Sadly, it'll blow up a few of the regulars' impressions.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/18/AR2010031801518.html?hpid=topnews

Jake in 3D signing out for the day. Go Go Gauchos!

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 18, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Idaho took the lead in a growing, nationwide fight against health care overhaul Wednesday when its governor became the first to sign a measure requiring the state attorney general to sue the federal government if residents are forced to buy health insurance. Similar legislation is pending in 37 other states.

is this any way to run a country? Poor, poor berry, so over his head.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

In sports, it is often said that the coach of a losing team is fired because the whole team cannot be. In this case, an attempt to fire the coach could in fact lead to a firing of the team. Or at least a large part of it.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm so tired of obummer's bulls--t. You ask him a question and he goes on and on and still does not answer the question. He reminds me of my beloved autistic nephew. Orson will repeat the same thing over and over again with the same words. I'm so tired of hearing that you can't push him to answer the questions because it's being disrespectful. Well hell, I was always taught if you want respect, you respect others. He doesn't respect the American People. He thinks we are all idiots and he is so intelligent. I say, give him the same respect he gives us. I wish they would let me interview him. He wouldn't get away with this bull. He would either answer my questions or he would walk off the stage. Well come November if we are all smart we will clean out OUR HOUSE and send these marxist, communist sorry
bas---ds home.

Posted by: orbarb | March 18, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm so tired of obummer's bulls--t. You ask him a question and he goes on and on and still does not answer the question. He reminds me of my beloved autistic nephew. Orson will repeat the same thing over and over again with the same words. I'm so tired of hearing that you can't push him to answer the questions because it's being disrespectful. Well hell, I was always taught if you want respect, you respect others. He doesn't respect the American People. He thinks we are all idiots and he is so intelligent. I say, give him the same respect he gives us. I wish they would let me interview him. He wouldn't get away with this bull. He would either answer my questions or he would walk off the stage. Well come November if we are all smart we will clean out OUR HOUSE and send these marxist, communist sorry
bas---ds home.

Posted by: orbarb | March 18, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I think Dennis rode in Barry's carry-on. He fits in the overhead bin quite nicely.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

@lunetrick, it looks like you're the odd man out! I bet that when you see and hear Obama... you get a funny feeling down your leg and dream to be like him one day!

Posted by: dsamario | March 18, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

The president had to fly to Cleveland to give Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich - a dyed-in-the-wool liberal - a ride on Air Force One in order to get his vote.
Posted by: drivl
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Kookinich is a cheap date. The Ho of the Bayou got 300 million. Why did Obama even bother to fly him around. He could have been bribed by just handing him a free ticket to fly “Dumbo” at Disney World.

Posted by: leapin | March 18, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I see drivl's hanging out at americanthinker.com again.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 18, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

The President beat down Fox News face to face. Baier got frustrated and irritated because the President ran circles around him. Baier was of course trying to score a knockout blow to the President, but looked like a child against an adult. The President did the same thing to the group of Republican sentors that he invited for a one to one meeting. Obama took them apart piece by piece because they have no ideas or solutions just like the people of Fox News .... only jokes and ridicule!

Posted by: lunetrick | March 18, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Drivl - you need to go wake up 37th. He overslept.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 18, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

The thin-skinned Obama was flustered again by the audacity (g) of someone who just wanted an answer to the question that he asked. He didn't ask for a recitation of a list of supposed advantages of HIS (the term HIS was used to satisfy his ego even though the bill is written by others) HC plan.

Posted by: leapin | March 18, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

PRESIDENT Obama has many times declared the debate on health insurance over. He was right.

His side lost. And so for the past six months, the president has used taxpayer money to buy congressional votes.

How bad is it?

The president had to fly to Cleveland to give Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich - a dyed-in-the-wool liberal - a ride on Air Force One in order to get his vote.

Lyndon Johnson would have threatened to throw the congressman out the window over Pittsburgh; there is no place worse for a Browns fan to die.

The executive director of patient financial services at the Cleveland Clinic told Fox News that the hospital won't go after Canfield's house, and that she seemed to qualify for charity care - of which the clinic handed out $99 million worth last year.

In fact, Canfield likely qualifies for an existing government-run health-insurance program - Medicaid.

Rather than check out Canfield's story and inform her about the Medicaid program and how hospitals write off big bills as charity, President Obama's outfit simply took the letter at face value and flew to the Cleveland area to use her story to try to sell a program the majority of Americans now reject.

Obama's presidency is collapsing.

As a conservative, this brings no joy. I am worried.

The whole world is watching. And I really do not like what the world is seeing.

Allies are less confident in us. Adversaries are emboldened.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

The funny part is that Baier was coming at Obama with a variation of the favored tactic that the President and other Democrats continue to use ad nauseum: quoting email anecdotes as a way to make a point. It clearly got under Obama's skin. The "I get 40 thousand letters or emails a day" retort from the President was sensationally sophomoric in tone. Like a number one seed in the NCAA's playing a number sixteen, Obama was clearly caught off-guard by the high level of the competition in this interview.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

It was clearly the President’s intent to filibuster most of the approximately 15 minutes devoted to the healthcare bill, repeating all the same talking points we’ve heard ad nauseum for a year. Obama never intended to directly answer Baier’s questions. That strategy was, to use a favorite word of his administration, transparent.

The President isn’t accustomed to being interrupted in the midst of his long answers to reporters’ questions, even when those answers have little or nothing to do with the initial query. When interrupted by Baier, his frustration clearly showed — non-verbally and in an occasional condescending tone.

In response, Baier was respectful, but not intimidated. Unlike most of the legacy media interviewers, Baier understands that he represents more than himself and his network. He represents the viewing public. It’s why the media has been historically called the Fourth Estate. Contrast Baier’s approach to that of NBC’s Brian Williams when, at the close of his interview of the President, he parted with a nauseous sycophantic bow. We were embarrassed for him.

The President’s answers ranged from long-winded obfuscations with puzzling convolutions to territory best described as a Wonderland of Fuzzy Logic. For example, on the one hand, Obama said that everyone knows what’s in the bill by now. On the other hand, he said that Baier would see “my healthcare bill” when it’s posted for all to see. Some of us came away from the interview not convinced that the President clearly knows what’s in his own bill!

Those already persuaded on both sides of the argument are unlikely to be effected by the interview. Open-minded Independents, perhaps the main audience from the Administration’s perspective, were likely not impressed by the President’s presentation, which was not particularly impressive.

Coming from a man who former Governor Mario Cuomo once described to Larry King as representing a “new kind of intelligence,” large parts of President Obama’s answers were… well, just flat-out unintelligible.

While honest establishment pundits will admit that it wasn’t a sterling presidential performance, the true-believer Obama lemmings will call Baier rude and vote him out of the Club. In that case, he’s better off.

Posted by: drivl | March 18, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I loved the fact that Bret Baier wasn't wooed or mezmerized like just about all other so-called reporter get when the interview Obama. This guy was asking tough questions. All others, all they is lob softball questions and smile and blink continously as though he was holier than thou. Ofcourse, Obama was spewing talking points and talking, talking, talking to eat away the time and try to sound intellegent. (Typical style of dictators.)
Great job Bret!!!!!
BTW: To all reporters out there, that's how you do it!

Posted by: dsamario | March 18, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

"The full text of the legislation, which would put the final touches on a delicate compromise between the House and the Senate, and a detailed cost estimate from the budget office are likely to be issued later on Thursday"

Better set aside some time for reading, my friends. If any of the insurance industry jargon throws you, I'd be glad to try at least, to translate. The accounting and legalese will be pretty brutal too, maybe we should set up a brain bank.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

The interview just highlights what really bothers me about today's republicans.
While I have always have been democrat, I have over the years felt if a republican won, then fine. My candidate lost and move on. Hope the next time was better. I never looked on alot of the republicans as really bad, ect.
But, now, I cannot stand them.
The reason is the childishness. the game playing, the lying, the absolute immaturity.
They were replaced in office because republicans did a really bad job. The majority of the country voted for Obama. But, republicans refuse to accept the will of the country. They have spent the first year name calling, throwing a year long tantrum.
They act like rebellious Jr. High Schoolers.
When a party rejects a bill that they put forth because the democratic president liked it says alot for the immaturity. And the self absorption of the repubs. They don't care if the blow up the country as long as they can keep with their tantrum and spite.
spite is more important then the country. The good of the country.
Being republican or democrat enough is not a matter of acting childish, of refusing to work to mend the country or do what's right for the people.
Refusing to do the adult thing and work with each other to fix the problems we face as a country is not being republican enough, it's being stupid.

Posted by: vwcat | March 18, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/113xx/doc11355/hr4872.pdf

CBO score.

Traffic seems a bit heavy, so you might want to wait.

But the RNC needs to restart the code red timers. It's 72 hours from now. So about 11:30 AM EDT on Sunday

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

If the players on the stage are Obama and House Minority Leader John Boehner, whose unnatural-looking spray tan and gleaming teeth make him look like the host for The Price Is Right, or Mitch McConnell, who comes across like a funeral director, Obama’s going to look like Babe Ruth. And to win, you have to have better ideas. At this point, with a respectful nod to Rep. Paul Ryan, the Republicans look more like a glue factory than an idea factory.

So to all my Republican friends, I say, don’t start poppin’ the Champagne yet. Obama has taken the worst possible political pounding and he’s still on his feet and looking pretty strong.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-03-17/how-obama-wins-in-2012/

I had to laugh about his descrption of Boehner and McConnell. They are truly god awful.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Hard to believe you would throw stones about appearances when your speaker has had her skin stretched so tight she can hardly blink. Harry is a real ball of fire and such a charmer.

Posted by: jcory | March 18, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

NeoCom. Is that the new Google phone?

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 18, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I had to laugh about his descrption of Boehner and McConnell. They are truly god awful.

Posted by: drindl
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Or Americans might been done with superficial crap and corruption of Obama's NeoCom statism.

Posted by: leapin | March 18, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"Does anyone else get frustrated to see the parties defaulting to preferring rich candidates who can self-fund campaigns over the 'right person' for the job? McMahon, Whitman, Poizner, Fiorina, Corzine, etc. Do these people really have any concept of what daily life is like for the majority of Americans who's incomes aren't measured in millions?

Posted by: bsimon1"

It's also a poor strategy in the sense that the ability to raise money is a good weed out metric. If you can't raise money, then you can't win votes. A self-funded candidate might be able to garner donations if he or she wanted to, but given that it's not an easy task to get people to donate money, most likely a self-funded candidate wouldn't be able to do so just based on law of averages. Obviously Obama could win elections even if he were rich enough to self-fund his entire campaign, but the fact that he could raise so much money was a good predictor. The self-funders don't have to clear that hurdle, but if they are incapable of clearing the hurdle, they are in trouble.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

CBO score comes out today. Saves over $100B in the first decade and more in the second. A number of fence sitting Reps have scheduled pressers today. Expect the numbers to be there for passage by Friday.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 18, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Goodness, to listen to jaxas70 all the republicans are stupid, fat and angry. We are soooo lucky we have the intelligent left to tell us what we need to think and do. And they make it very easy, we need only to give them all of our money and they will spend it for us in the right way so that God forbid we don't mispend what is ours. Truly we are blessed to have the left lead us.

Posted by: jcory | March 18, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Why do you want him to explain something that isn't part of the bill? Hint: The plan does not put the government in charge of managing insurance funds.


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Posted by: bsimon1
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Can you kindly post the link where I can view the bill?

Posted by: leapin | March 18, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

mark, if you look at the previous thread, I started a yahoo group if you want to join.

I also did a WaPo one, so my lousy picks will soon be available for all the world to see.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

OregonStorm writes
" I want Obama to tell me why the American public should allow government management of their insurance funds when they have driven every existing social program to the brink of insolvency."


Why do you want him to explain something that isn't part of the bill? Hint: The plan does not put the government in charge of managing insurance funds.


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Posted by: bsimon1 | March 18, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else get frustrated to see the parties defaulting to preferring rich candidates who can self-fund campaigns over the 'right person' for the job? McMahon, Whitman, Poizner, Fiorina, Corzine, etc. Do these people really have any concept of what daily life is like for the majority of Americans who's incomes aren't measured in millions?

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 18, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I do think that the President came out on top in this interview. For one thing, even his frustration had a more "adult" ring to it. Baier came off as some ticked off juvenile with a chip in his shoulder or some bullied little snot whose friends put him up to vandalizing the Principal's house.

Look. The mood in this country is flat out dangerous. We have all of these frustrated, angry old fahts running around with their beer bellies jiggling like jello carrying signs that mark them as having the mentality of adolescent jocks jealous over the high school who just won over the most popular girl in school.

When I read some of the bile sopping commentaries from these addled. smelly creeps I have to wonder: Did Al Gore realize what a monster he and the Pentagon were creating when they first began development of what later became the Internet?

Most of the stuff I read on these blogs--even the analysis from mainstream journalists on blogs like POLITIC--is nothing but pure unadulterated crap designed to pander to the dumbest gawdammed people I have ever had the misfortune to listen to. What I see happening in America is a takeover of the most powerful nation on earth from a right wing extremist group of people that will destroy the country because in the final analysis these idiots could not locate their buttocks with both hands.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 18, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

The economic bellwether FedEx beat the street's strong profit expectations for the past quarter. The last indicator to turn, job growth will be next.

With S&P up 50% in the past year, Republicans better keep whipping the Obama haters. What else could they do, point to their record?

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Ddawd, I filled six brackets at ESPN. 4 have Kansas winning, one KY, one Oh. St. 'Nova does NOT make it to Elite 8 in any, if I recall. I may fill one out with 'Cuse as winner, but I just do not believe a zone team can win 5 straight without a great scorer and a great rebounder, because the D will not force turnovers. Duke needs to be hot for 4 straight games and I don't see that, either.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 18, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Obama can't answer any questions on substantive issues. He has no more idea what is actually in this health care bill than the general public does. This isn't a health care bill, it's simply another money grab. I want Obama to tell me why the American public should allow government management of their insurance funds when they have driven every existing social program to the brink of insolvency. The government is totally incompetent concerning fiscal matters (and probably everywhere else as well).

Just a word about Idaho's silly attempt to sue government if they make Idaho citizens buy health insurance. The governor is wasting his opportunity to assert his state's 10th amendment rights. So far, the ONLY state to get it right has been Virginia which has actually passed a 10th amendment state's rights law which makes it illegal for the federal government to attempt to force any Virginian to purchase ANY product. THAT is what those 30+ other states should be doing NOT attempting to "sue" the government.

Posted by: OregonStorm | March 18, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Obama can't answer any questions on substantive issues. He has no more idea what is actually in this health care bill than the general public does. This isn't a health care bill, it's simply another money grab. I want Obama to tell me why the American public should allow government management of their insurance funds when they have driven every existing social program to the brink of insolvency. The government is totally incompetent concerning fiscal matters (and probably everywhere else as well).

Just a word about Idaho's silly attempt to sue government if they make Idaho citizens buy health insurance. The governor is wasting his opportunity to assert his state's 10th amendment rights. So far, the ONLY state to get it right has been Virginia which has actually passed a 10th amendment state's rights law which makes it illegal for the federal government to attempt to force any Virginian to purchase ANY product. THAT is what those 30+ other states should be doing NOT attempting to "sue" the government.

Posted by: OregonStorm | March 18, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Obama can't answer any questions on substantive issues. He has no more idea what is actually in this health care bill than the general public does. This isn't a health care bill, it's simply another money grab. I want Obama to tell me why the American public should allow government management of their insurance funds when they have driven every existing social program to the brink of insolvency. The government is totally incompetent concerning fiscal matters (and probably everywhere else as well).

Just a word about Idaho's silly attempt to sue government if they make Idaho citizens buy health insurance. The governor is wasting his opportunity to assert his state's 10th amendment rights. So far, the ONLY state to get it right has been Virginia which has actually passed a 10th amendment state's rights law which makes it illegal for the federal government to attempt to force any Virginian to purchase ANY product. THAT is what those 30+ other states should be doing NOT attempting to "sue" the government.

Posted by: OregonStorm | March 18, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Well, looks like the CBO is going to score it as cutting the deficit by over $1 trillion over 20 years while covering 95% of the legal population.

I guess the teabaggers are going to shut their worthless noise holes, right?

I didn't think so either.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

[more mckinnon]

Let’s drill down on that a bit. It’s hard to imagine that things will get any worse for Obama during his presidency. The economy may not be roaring by 2012, but it’s likely to be better. Whatever happens with the health-care bill, assuming it does ultimately pass, it will have had time to take effect and will probably be less onerous than feared. Most soldiers will be out of Iraq and perhaps progress will be apparent in Afghanistan.

No president has been reelected with an approval rating below 47. And, so Obama, at what is probably the lowest point in his presidency, still has a strong enough approval rating to win a second White House term. And that’s before a reelection campaign in which he and his team will probably spend $1 billion.

Let’s also assume for the sake of argument that the Republicans do take the House this fall. If they do, it’s a blessing for Obama—because then there will be shared responsibility and he can blame-shift accountability for all the failures of Congress. He will replay Bill Clinton’s playbook from 1994.

Besides, you have to beat the other team by putting players on the field who have better talent and skills. If the players on the stage are Obama and House Minority Leader John Boehner, whose unnatural-looking spray tan and gleaming teeth make him look like the host for The Price Is Right, or Mitch McConnell, who comes across like a funeral director, Obama’s going to look like Babe Ruth. And to win, you have to have better ideas. At this point, with a respectful nod to Rep. Paul Ryan, the Republicans look more like a glue factory than an idea factory.

So to all my Republican friends, I say, don’t start poppin’ the Champagne yet. Obama has taken the worst possible political pounding and he’s still on his feet and looking pretty strong.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-03-17/how-obama-wins-in-2012/

I had to laugh about his descrption of Boehner and McConnell. They are truly god awful.

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

former Bush strategist:

How Obama Wins in 2012
by Mark McKinnon

' Despite sagging poll numbers, the president has bottomed out, and Republicans still lack the leaders and the ideas to beat him, argues former Bush strategist Mark McKinnon.
All of my Republican friends are acting as giddy as kids at Christmas. They are delighting in the misfortunes of the Democrats. They believe, accurately, in my opinion, that the health-care bill is political suicide—at least in the short term. So, if the health-care bill passes, Republicans take the House in the fall. And if the health-care bill doesn’t pass, the Democrats look feckless and incapable of getting anything done, and they still lose the House in the fall.

The political environment is as toxic as we’ve ever seen. President Obama entered office during one of the most troubled and challenging times in our history. He got dealt a bad hand, but many argue that he and his party have played a bad hand badly.

At this point, with a respectful nod to Rep. Paul Ryan, the Republicans look more like a glue factory than an idea factory.

But something very interesting and counterintuitive is happening with Obama. The NBC-Wall Street Journal poll published Tuesday has two findings that are at odds with one another. First, only 17 percent of the American public approve of Congress. That’s the lowest sounding ever recorded for Capitol Hill. And it’s hard to imagine just who makes up that 17 percent, beyond friends and family.

Obama’s approval ratings, on the other hand, hover well above his colleagues'—at a healthy 48 percent.'

Posted by: drindl | March 18, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

don't think pelosi will go with slaughter method. she is waiting for enough bluedog democrats to become yes votes and then hold an up/down vote on the senate bill. but the bluedogs need cover to vote yes. the cbo is coming back with costs that are too high to provide cover for them. until cbo can come back with costs in 900 billion range and say the deficit will be reduced, nothing will happen on a vote.

Posted by: doof | March 18, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"ddawd, if I was not clear, I don't think it is a big deal, either. But it is cautionary.

Posted by: mark_in_austin "

Yeah, and I guess just because I don't think it's a big deal doesn't mean that a lot of voters won't.

Did you fill out a bracket?

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I have no problem with Brett Baird's aggressive tone in questioning the President but the truth is, Fox News interviewers have not used such an approach consistently. During the Bush administration they were notoriously soft on Bush and Cheney and even today if Baird were to interview Cheney, he would likely be much more deferential than he was with President Obama.

Having said that, I believe the President did alright. For all of the talk about him being too aloof and scholarly, Obama was not shy in pushing back against Baird's constant interruptions. Now, it is going to be Baird who will be scrutinized to see if he is equally aggressive with GOP leaders.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 18, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

As a CT resident it really amuses me to see Linda McMahon gaining traction in the Republican party. Blumenthal will destroy anyone who runs against him, but it's just proof positive that most of these campaigns aren't about policy they're all about money. McMahon has got plenty of it and she can buy that primary......she's got nothing to compare to Blumenthal's resume. The guy commands respect from both sides of the aisle.

Posted by: theobserver4 | March 18, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Obama went on Fox news to try to revive the brain dead that rely on it for information. Fox and the Repubs want to focus on the process because their complaints don't have any substance. They have no policy on health care reform other than raking in the money of insurance companies. Fox viewers are easily fooled by the process vs real substance bait and switch.

Posted by: Falmouth1 | March 18, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

ddawd, if I was not clear, I don't think it is a big deal, either. But it is cautionary.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 18, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

By reading the comments i see im not the only one that saw that as a poor interview and another one of his speeches. For me he answered no questions i had, and basically said the same thing.

Then on top of it. They wont present a bill for us to read, and want a vote without a actual bill, when they balked at that then went to this "No Vote" gambit. The President said he didnt know the house rules, and would take the vote any way he can. To explain away a no vote gambit like he has, shows how much he believes in Democracy. Big mistake on this adminstration! not even one good thing yet.. now going on 2 years into his term.. :(

Posted by: ccharles1 | March 18, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if folks saw this in yesterday's New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/17/us/politics/17mcconnell.html

But it pretty much confirms everything we've been saying about the Republican strategy since Obama was elected: Obstruct, Obfuscate, Confuse, Lie, and offer no solutions of your own.

It's sort of working...although health care reform IS about to pass (finally)....

Posted by: Bondosan | March 18, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Obama did not answer the questions. He makes speeches on his own subjects instead of answering questions. The one that should have been exasperated was Bret. Bret showed great patience.

Instead Republicans should consider the following:
Why Republicans should be secretly working for the Healthcare bill Passage.

Republicans could not only defeat the Healthcare bill but could have a double hit by destroying the Obama Presidency at the same time.
This most original of all thesis is base in the possibility that Democrats use the "Slaughter Rule' to pass Healthcare without a vote.

How this will allow the Republicans to reverse the bill sooner and ruin The Presidency of Obama at the same time is explained at http://www.robbingamerica.com

The most compelling idea in Politics today.

Posted by: JohnGalt9 | March 18, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

While I think poll numbers are interesting, I don't think they say much in the California gubernatorial election. Yes, Meg Whitman has been on television a lot (re)introducing herself to voters. But, Jerry Brown's campaign has been dead-silent thus far. Furthermore Carly Fiorina's US Senate campaign may prove to be a drag on the Republican ticket.

Posted by: Jay20 | March 18, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

boxer is now in a tie with either republican potential candidate here in california. not very good news for her. she can be beat and most likely will be. hope chuck devore wins the republican primary. don't like fiorina. too much like mccain. devore is true conservative.

Posted by: doof | March 18, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why he went there; Fox is not news.

Posted by: linda_521 | March 18, 2010 7:50 AM


obama went there because everyone else goes there. check the fox ratings.

Posted by: doof | March 18, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Want to LOL?
The last sentence of this Gail Collins column is a sure bet.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/18/opinion/18collins.html

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Favorite line:

by the time we vote on this, you will know what's in the bill, and I will know.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 18, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Yes, this is the same network that former White House communications director Anita Dunn described as a "wing of the Republican Party" When Chris read "Why haven't America's old-school news organizations blown the whistle on Roger Ailes, chief of Fox News, for using the network to conduct a propaganda campaign against the Obama administration" He went to Dean Broder and asked is this true, Dean is Fox biased and the Dean said no my son Fox is fair and balanced. Chris had felt some discomfort in thinking that Fox might have a bias but after the Dean reassured him all was well on the right side of the Post and he is now a happy journalist.

Posted by: vwallen@bellatlantic.net | March 18, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Yes, this is the same network that former White House communications director Anita Dunn described as a "wing of the Republican Party" When Chris read "Why haven't America's old-school news organizations blown the whistle on Roger Ailes, chief of Fox News, for using the network to conduct a propaganda campaign against the Obama administration" He went to Dean Broder and asked is this true, Dean is Fox biased and the Dean said no my son Fox is fair and balanced. Chris had felt some discomfort in thinking that Fox might have a bias but after the Dean reassured him all was well on the right side of the Post and he is now a happy journalist.

Posted by: vwallen@bellatlantic.net | March 18, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011373096_baird18m.html

Brian Baird is going to vote yea. Last night, as I was heading home, a little green man leaning on a shillelagh told me so.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

If Marjorie Margolies runs for office again, I will donate money and volunteer my time to help her get elected. Her letter should be sent to every politician in the country. My favorite line was,

"It's that there are times in all our careers when we must ask ourselves why we're here. I decided that my desire for public service at that moment was greater than my desire to guarantee continued service. Yes, there are few jobs as rewarding (mostly) as being a member of Congress, and I was let down after I lost. But I believed then and now that being able to point to something tangible that changed our country for the better was a more powerful motivator than the possible electoral repercussions."


Posted by: AndyR3 | March 18, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

It is a sad day that it took over a year for a reporter to challenge the president of the United States. It is funny that the Washington Post is criticizing any coverage of the health care debacle when its point man is a radical lefty blogger Ezra Klein and now it allows disgraced liberal Howell Raines opine.

The Washington Post is such a joke.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | March 18, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

No wonder Barry stays away from real reporters. He hasn't had a press conference since July. He is never asked hard questions and it shows. He can't answer questions and doesn't even know what's in his own bill. Palin was ridiculed for not knowing the bush doctrine. Seems like Barry doesn't know conn is a state much less what that implies.

His method is to keep talking with established chants and ignore the actual question. Don't stop to take a breath so no inturruptions.

At the end of the day. Let me be clear. Yaddah........

Posted by: Moonbat | March 18, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Obama and Baier seemed to reflect the status of the debate between Democrats and Republicans. Baier and the GOP are trying to boil this down to a process issue. Deem and pass, reconciliation. Obama and the Dems are trying to make it a policy debate. Cost controls, no coverage denials. Obama did get a bit evasive when it came to the questions on process, but he was pretty clear and direct when it came to the policy stuff.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

I consider myself a swing voter, an independent, a republican and a democrat. I can understand arguments of both the left and right. BUT, it will no doubt be a long time before I can vote republican again following their organized, obvious attempt to railroad our president and its administration out of Washington with negative exaggerations, noncooperation and downright untruths.

Posted by: TLib | March 18, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Mark I agree that deniability is pretty much gone, but IMO it was never plausible to begin with.
McMahon can win the primary all she wants since Blumenthal is going to cream her in the general.

Posted by: AndyR3 | March 18, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

The Levy Lazio donnybrook is on and it is already ugly, good news for Andrew Cuomo.

"Mr. Lazio’s campaign has publicly played down the threat of Mr. Levy’s entry into the race but appears unsettled by it. “It’s laughable, of course, that Steve Levy would find support in the Republican Party,” said a Lazio spokesman, Barney Keller." NYT

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

That was the most disrespectful interview of a president I have ever seen (sitting or former). Fox news is a joke.

Posted by: nadeemsx | March 18, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

I watched the FOX interview and what I believed to be very significant was the failure of President Obama to explain the double counting of 500 billion dollars in the Health Care Bill.

He could not explain how it can reduce Medicare spending by 500 billion dollars and also be spent to provide 500 billion dollars in new spending.

This is one of those Washington budget tricks that lead to the American public hating what our politicians do.

Both CBO and the Medicare actuary have stated that the money can only be spent once not twice as the Democrats are trying to do.

Posted by: mwhoke | March 18, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

I watched the FOX interview and what I believed to be very significant was the failure of President Obama to explain the double counting of 500 billion dollars in the Health Care Bill.

He could not explain how it can reduce Medicare spending by 500 billion dollars and also be spent to provide 500 billion dollars in new spending.

This is one of those Washington budget tricks that lead to the American public hating what our politicians do.

Both CBO and the Medicare actuary have stated that the money can only be spent once not twice as the Democrats are trying to do.

Posted by: mwhoke | March 18, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

I watched the FOX interview and what I believed to be very significant was the failure of President Obama to explain the double counting of 500 billion dollars in the Health Care Bill.

He could not explain how it can reduce Medicare spending by 500 billion dollars and also be spent to provide 500 billion dollars in new spending.

This is one of those Washington budget tricks that lead to the American public hating what our politicians do.

Both CBO and the Medicare actuary have stated that the money can only be spent once not twice as the Democrats are trying to do.

Posted by: mwhoke | March 18, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

"Who wins the (CT US SENATE) Republican nomination may well be of no consequence as state Attorney General Richard Blumenthal leads McMahon by 33 point and Simmons by 36 points in the Q poll." Chris, I think you might have said the same thing about Martha Coakley last summer... I think you are a fabulous politico and your blog is my fave and I am a true blue Democract... but such hyperbole--even in CT--is just hyperbole... If I were Blumenthal, I would run like Sen Patty Murray did in 2004 when she was always up by 10 points (and won by 15!) and ran like she was always down by 10...

Posted by: MichaelinSeattle | March 18, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

#3

Almost choked on coffee when I saw the phrase "...these numbers have to buoy Democrats."
Oh well, if we want to find good news for Democrats, we can look at the financial pages. But seriously, after what California has been through, if they elect Meg Whitman, they deserve worse.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 18, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

This is Fox; (which by the way, is not News)no questions were asked in an unbiased form. I'm not sure why he went there; Fox is not news.

Posted by: linda_521 | March 18, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

I dunno, Mark. I've seen and heard this sort of thing a lot. It didn't seem that bad. A candidate trying to fire up supporters? Was it his use of the word "attack"?

Not that I know anything about campaign law, but I fail to see how this is even close to illegal as purported by Whitman's spokesperson.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

URGENT TO POTUS: Health Care Reform? FIRST, DO NO HARM.

SECRET MULTI-AGENCY FED PROGRAM SILENTLY ASSAULTS, TORTURES, IMPAIRS, SUBJUGATES U.S. CITIZENS WITH CELL TOWER MICROWAVE WEAPON SYSTEM, FINANCIAL SABOTAGE, 'COMMUNITY WATCH' VIGILANTISM: VETERAN JOURNALIST

* Thousands of Americans slandered as "dissidents" or undesirables, targeted by Bush legacy program for debilitating, cell tower- based precision-targeted microwave/laser assault, held hostage in their own homes to fed-supported vigilante "community policing" stalking units equipped with warrantless GPS devices, who vandalize and terrorize as local police look the other way.

* Electromagnetic frequency microwave/laser weapons -- a nationwide installation employing cell towers and satellites -- silently, invisibly induce weakness, exhaustion, mood changes, pain, head and body aches, physical and neurological impairment, strokes, aneurysms, cancer -- and many victims do not realize what is making them sick.

===== POLITICAL LEADERS MAY BE TARGETED, TOO. =====

* Regional Homeland Security- administered "fusion centers" reportedly serve as command centers for covert electromagnetic radiation attacks, pervasive surveillance, financial sabotage of those identified as "dissidents," "trouble-makers" or slandered as threats to society.

* Use of microwave weaponry to torture and impair political opponents recently confirmed by deposed Honduras President Manuel Zelaya.

* Pleas for justice, to local police and FBI, go unanswered -- as do demands for a Department of Justice Civil Rights Division investigation and congressional hearings.

"These are crimes against humanity and the Constitution, being perpetrated under the cover of national security and 'safe streets' by multiple federal and local agencies and commands -- an American genocide hiding in plain sight, enabled by the naivete of those who think 'it can't happen here.'" -- Victor Livingston, former reporter for WTXF-TV Philadelphia, Phila. Bulletin, N.Y. Daily News, St. Petersburg Times; producer/host, MSG Network Sports Business Report; columnist, NowPublic.com/scrivener.

www.poynter.org/subject.asp?id=2 (click, "More Reporting and Writing") OR

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves

BUCKS COUNTY, PA- BASED MAGLOCLEN FUSION CENTER -- "Mid-Atlantic States Ground Zero of a Fed- and Police-Protected American Gestapo"

WHY WON'T FBI OPEN A D.O.J. CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION INVESTIGATION?

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR NowPublic.com/scrivener (see "stories" list).

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 18, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

From what I saw, Obama did not answer one question in a truly straightforward manner.

Posted by: thebink | March 18, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

From what I saw, Obama did not answer one question in a truly straightforward manner.

Posted by: thebink | March 18, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Chris, do you know of any historical instances where someone ran heavily on Senate seniority and committee chairmanship? It doesn't strike me as something that would resonate with an average voter. Although some analysts say that one of the reasons Lieberman won in 2006 was that voters didn't want to start over at the bottom of the ladder with a new Democrat.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 18, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2010/03/jerry-brown-urges-unions-to-attack.html

Watch the film.

I have attended meetings like this in the past. They were "inside" politics and not recorded or filmed. Every campaign had them - with presumed supporters, like unions, or the CoC. This is a testament to the age of the hidden camera and the internet. It will hurt Brown - probably not very much - but it serves again as a warning that politics has changed and plausible deniability is pretty much gone.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 18, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

If you think about governorships as a monetary policy thing, McMahon has already shown greater business skills than Whitman. McMahon has chosen a much cheaper governorship to buy. I don't think either of these two will win the general elections in their state, but at least McMahon won't shoot through maybe $100 million trying.

For every Bloomberg, who buys his seat and runs things well, there's a Corzine, restless and ambitious and not able to do the job longterm.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 18, 2010 6:49 AM | Report abuse

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