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The House health care undecideds: By the numbers

1. With the House vote on health care now roughly 72 hours away, the spotlight is growing brighter (and hotter) for the Democratic members who remain on the fence about the bill.

Who are they? Thanks to a terrific chart created by the Post's Karen Yourish (among others), we know that there are 64 (as of early this morning) -- a fitting tribute to the ongoing NCAA mens' basketball tournament. Here's a look at what you need to know about the undecideds heading into the most important weekend of President Obama's term to date:

• Of the 64, just seven -- Reps. Brian Baird (Wash.) John Boccieri (Ohio), Rick Boucher (Va.), Suzanne Kosmas (Fla.), Scott Murphy (N.Y.), Glenn Nye (Va.) and John Tanner (Tenn.) -- voted "no" on the first health care bill last November.

• Eighteen of the 64 Democratic fence-sitters represent districts carried by Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) in 2008. The worst performing district for Obama among that group was Boucher's 9th district -- located in southwestern Virginia -- where the president took just 40 percent in 2008. Obama took 49 percent in Kosmas' 24th district as well as Reps. Kathy Dahlkemper's (Pa.) 3rd district and Baron Hill's (Ind.) 9th district.

• There are just four retiring Democrats among the undecideds. That includes Baird and Tanner who previously voted no as well as Reps. Marion Berry (Ark.) and Dennis Moore (Kan.).

• The states with the most undecided members are Ohio (8), New York (6), Illinois (5) and Pennsylvania (4). Both of West Virginia's Democratic members -- Reps. Alan Mollohan and Nick Rahall -- are on the fence.

2. A new Field poll in California suggests the Golden State Senate race could be a sleeper for Republicans. Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer finds herself running neck and neck with former Republican representative Tom Campbell (Campbell 44 percent, Boxer 43 percent) and former Hewlett Packard executive Carly Fiorina (Boxer 45, Fiorina 44). Boxer held a slightly wider edge (45 percent to 41 percent) over state Assemblyman Chuck DeVore.

None of the trio of Republicans is at all well known by the California electorate, meaning that the closeness of the matchups with Boxer is likely attributable to unhappiness/dissatisfaction with the incumbent. Just 38 percent viewed Boxer in a favorable light while 51 percent regarded her unfavorably. (Only one in ten voters didn't know enough about Boxer to offer an opinion.)

The race for the chance to face Boxer appears to be a toss up with Campbell ahead with 28 percent to 22 percent for Fiorina and nine percent for DeVore. Four in ten Republican primary voters remain undecided, a sign that the race is yet to truly engage. Campbell's lead is likely built on a name identification advantage but Fiorina's personal wealth may serve as an equalizer as the June 8 primary approaches.

Most political handicappers carry 10 Democratic-held seats -- including California -- in their most competitive races category. To take back control of the Senate, Republicans need to sweep all ten (unlikely given that Connecticut appears to be close to unwinnable) and not lose a single one of their own seats.

3. Former state House Speaker Marco Rubio is nearly doubling up Gov. Charlie Crist in the Florida Republican Senate primary, according to a new poll conducted by Research 2000 for the liberal Daily Kos blog.

Rubio takes 58 percent to Crist's 30 percent, an absolutely amazing reversal from even six months ago when Crist looked to be cruising not just to the nomination but to the Senate. The poll numbers may be slightly behind the current state of the race, however, as the last several weeks have been tough for Rubio as he been barraged by bad press over his spending during his time as speaker of the state House. (The latest blow is this stinging piece from a columnist at the St. Petersburg Times.)

Expect the Crist team to note that in the Kos poll, the governor holds a 45 percent to 36 percent margin over Rep. Kendrick Meek while Rubio and Meek are in a dead heat. Electability isn't always a great issue in a primary fight where voters tend to be motivated by their hearts not their heads but if Crist can use his general election strength as part of a larger narrative that voting for Rubio as the nominee is an unnecessary risk then it might work.

4. Hawaii's 1st district special election -- set for May 22 -- appears to be a growing problem for House Democrats. The Cook Political Report, an independent political handicapper, moved the race from "lean Democrat" to "toss up" on Thursday, citing the "low hurdle" that Honolulu City Councilman Charle Djou (R) must clear to win. (The Fix ranked Hawaii's 1st district as the 17th most likely district to switch parties in our latest Line.)

All three major candidates -- Djou as well as Democrats Colleen Hanabusa, a state senator, and Ed Case, a former member of Congress -- will appear on the same ballot, creating a scenario where Case and Hanabusa split the Democratic vote and allow Djou to sneak through to victory. (There is no runoff provision so whichever candidate gets the most votes on May 22 wins.)

Aside from the winner-take-all ballot structure, there are two other problems for Democrats. The first is that Case, whose name ID has made him the frontrunner for the moment, is widely disliked by much of the Democratic Party establishment in the state due to his decision to primary Sen. Daniel InouyeDaniel Akaka in 2004 2006. With little love lost between Case and the forces backing Hanabusa, the two Democrats are expected to go at one another viciously. The second is that Djou is already on television with an effective ad portraying himself as a dedicated public servant (and making no mention of his party affiliation).

With the Hawaii special election growing more competitive, the five day period between the Pennsylvania 12 special on May 18 and the Aloha State vote on may 22 is becoming even more critical to determining where the two parties stand in advance of the November midterms.

5. If it's Friday, it's time for the "Live Fix" chat. It's a dark day in Fix world following Georgetown's stunning defeat at the hands of the Ohio Bobcats in the NCAA tournament but we will try to buck up before things get started at 11 a.m. today.

On the table for discussion: the rapidly approaching health care vote in the House, the rapidly approaching 2010 midterm elections and the rapidly approaching need for us to find an official coffee shop sponsor for the chat. Be there!

By Chris Cillizza  |  March 19, 2010; 6:25 AM ET
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Posted by: scrivener50 | March 20, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The whole bill is blowing up - if Stupak gets his language, the pro-choice crowd is going to insist on changing existing federal law - so that is a mess.


Then the public option people are now demanding a chance to get a vote on the public option.


Nancy and Steny are inclined to put all this in the bill, and dump the problem over to Harry Reid to see if he can get the votes.


It is a complete mess.


The bill has blown up - and it's all Obama's fault for not taking care of any of these issues a long, long time ago.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

If this bill is passed, it will be DEFUNDED NEXT YEAR.


WHEN OBAMA IS OUT OF OFFICE IT WILL BE REPEALED.


No piece of legislation has ever survived in this country without bipartisan support - there is no bipartisan support for this bill.


This bill is GOING ONTO THE TRASHHEAP OF HISTORY WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.


OBAMA IS A FAILURE AS A PRESIDENT.


IF OBAMA LOSES THESE WEEKEND, MAYBE HE CAN GO ONTO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE.


Otherwise, the fight will be for de-funding and REPEAL.


Besides, 38 States don't think they have to implement the bill in any event - so there will be lawsuits.


It will not be over this weekend.


Are you delusional ????

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

did you notice what Boehner and the Rs forgot to mention:

"IF ADDED BACK" (and there was no other offset)

to the health care overhaul bill, it would wipe out all the deficit reduction, leaving the legislation $59 billion in the red.

Lets understand this latest wild analysis by the Rs:

1. Anything the CBO concludes is wrong unless of course it reinforces R policies;
2. Lets now throw in a nonexitant hypothetical: a. the doctor fix is included which it clearly isn't; and b. when there is a fix at a later time there is not another budget offset.

why not ask the CBO if this plan passes, how much it would add to the deficit if a nuclear bomb were then to destroy all of our hospitals and they have to be rebuilt in that 10 year period? Why not I am sure there are hundreds of additional wild scenarios that Rs can dream up b/w now and Sunday; as if anyone even cares what they think at this point.

desperation time for the pathetic Rs.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

"The Congressional Budget Office said Friday that rolling back a programmed cut in Medicare fees to doctors would cost $208 billion over 10 years. If added back to the health care overhaul bill, it would wipe out all the deficit reduction, leaving the legislation $59 billion in the red.

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Posted by: 37thand0street"

You realize you don't have 20 fingers, right? Right??

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2


You are correct about the "savings" from student loans - which they are adding into the health care bill.


- They are still calculating 7 years of benefits against 10 years of taxes - if a publicly-traded business did that, they would be in jail for securities fraud.

- They still have $500 Billion from Medicare counted twice


- and they still have not counted in the doctors fix 225 Billion

It is unbelievable - the deceptions, the lies - just to pass this thing.

If they can't pass it without lying, they have no business even trying.


I just refuse to believe that this level of lying and deception has ever been around the passage of legislation in the history of the country.


Yea, Obama is "making history" for lying and deception around the passage of federal legislation.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

It appears that Stupak and his crew have succeeded in blocking passage of the bill - so Pelosi is back trying to figure out a way to do that.

The problem is clear - Stupak wants the Senate to act too - and Stupak will not accept a promise because they already gave him a commitment, then they went back on it.

Obama and the democrats appear to be victims of their own treachery.


Can't really help them with that.

Except to say they shouldn't have done it the first time around.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

"Shrink, 12bb and I were talking about this a while back. Anecdotally, it seems that countries in which people see the doctor more often get a better bang per health care dollar than those who see the doc less."

Well I agree. I think people who do see me do a lot better than the people who don't, but who should. I think everyone is aware of what happens when people Really need to get psych help, but don't. Wasted money flows and suffering spreads. The same is true of the rest of medical care. That said, earlier I was talking about waste, fraud and abuse.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

37thand0street:

They are including "savings" from student loans too. In the end, Obamacare will cost much more than what projected.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

THE DECEPTIONS AND LIES OF OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS DID NOT TAKE LONG TO COME OUT

The Congressional Budget Office said Friday that rolling back a programmed cut in Medicare fees to doctors would cost $208 billion over 10 years. If added back to the health care overhaul bill, it would wipe out all the deficit reduction, leaving the legislation $59 billion in the red.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse


THE DECEPTIONS AND LIES OF OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS DID NOT TAKE LONG TO COME OUT

The Congressional Budget Office said Friday that rolling back a programmed cut in Medicare fees to doctors would cost $208 billion over 10 years. If added back to the health care overhaul bill, it would wipe out all the deficit reduction, leaving the legislation $59 billion in the red.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

There is GENERAL AGREEMENT around the country that this health care bill is the GREATEST ABUSE OF GOVERNMENT POWER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY.


It is clear.


First, Obama's platform was NOT understand to include the CREATION OF A MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WITH MASSIVE NEW TAXES. This is the very definition of overreach.


Second, there is overwhelming opposition among the public for this bill.


Yet, Obama has persisted in pushing this bill through - Against all commentary recommending that he concentrate on the economy and jobs - Against the best judgeement of people all over his own party - Against all counsel of democratic pollsters writing in the Washington Post.


Obama has risked the destruction of the democratic party.


The thing is democrats all over the country are wondering why - why is this happening - and the only answer is this is a giant ego trip on the part of Obama -


HOW MUCH IS OBAMA'S EGO TRIP GOING TO COST YOU ?????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, 12bb and I were talking about this a while back. Anecdotally, it seems that countries in which people see the doctor more often get a better bang per health care dollar than those who see the doc less.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

as long as you understand that I am not an Obama apologist, and don t want to be pidgeon holed as one of the Obama trouble makers, I just want what is best for this country. I have family that are HR specialists for fortune 500 companies and every day I hear them complain how the current HC system is wrecking havoc with their earnings. Many of us come to this HC debate with different perspectives and understandings but I doubt even the honest Rs who yell socialism at every turn agree that the current delivery system is broken. Rs had control over all branches of govt for 8 years and did zip which is why I am not interested in their current whining. Heck they couldn't even get their vaunted selling coverages across state lines out of committee when they completely controlled Congressional committees. Its going to happen, I just ask that you tone down your hatred for Obama, it doesn't serve this site or this nation's interest, it only acts as a catharsis for your campaign animus towards the POTUS and makes you look illogical and angry.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

thecannula

You are correct.
Informed expert care management would be the ultimate cost saving measure, but...not a political reality, unfortunately.

There are good experiments with primary care, medical "homes" in the bill; if that works, maybe the concept will move forward to stop the real time cash waterfalls on end of life "care".

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse


I guess there's no last minute high stakes debate on the use of non professional gatekeepers to limit costs in the Bill's new Medicare policy? That's alright with every politician UNTIL constituents are told that they are too old for a kidney and their Representative pulls out the old Kerry imitation about being was against it before they were for it.

Posted by: thecannula | March 19, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse


12BarBlues


If you don't know how the trades go in (which you now admit to) then you don't know how it can be manipulated.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


You have been claiming all week that you understand intrade - what can be done there, and what can not be done there.


Today you ADMIT you don't even know how the trades are placed - and how it even works.


Yes, I understand it - and I have traded on intrade.

So you can go stuff it.

You have been telling everyone a STORY this week - a story that you have no way to know whether it is true or not. All week I have been telling you that you have been spreading LIES AND A DECEPTION.

All week, you kept on insisting that you knew what you were talking about.

But you never did - you had whole conversations with people on here - trying to convince them of things that simply were not true.


You were told you were being deceptive - and you kept going.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

37th,

You claim to understand how Intrade works. Not only do you not trade on Intrade, with your grasp of trading fundamentals, I would be amazed you have EVER traded anything, anywhere. So what is your authority that Intrade is manipulated, except that:

1. You don't like the number of 87% probability of HCR passing, and/or

2. Voices from outer space.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 19, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1


I remember you on here two years ago - so I remember you were here as an Hillary person - that is why I made clear what has been going on here.

The uncivilized behavior is coming from the Obama people - in fact there were taking shifts.

The Obama people caused much of the trouble on this blog and other blogs - so don't complain to me.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


You have been talking all week like you are very familar with intrade - which now you admit you are not.

Any one person or group can artificially push the price up or down - by simply buying up or selling or the contracts avaiable - and then maintaining that buying pressure as the orders come in.

Anyone on intrade can list a bid or an ask - and they are there to see.

So, you admit you don't understand how it works -


Yet you are disputing my description of potential techniques used on the site ?

So which is it - you don't understand or you know everything ?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


You have been talking all week like you are very familar with intrade - which now you admit you are not.

Any one person or group can artificially push the price up or down - by simply buying up or selling or the contracts avaiable - and then maintaining that buying pressure as the orders come in.

Anyone on intrade can list a bid or an ask - and they are there to see.

So, you admit you don't understand how it works -


Yet you are disputing my description of potential techniques used on the site ?

So which is it - you don't understand or you know everything ?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

@ddawd,

Understand that I don't have an account and haven't traded at Intrade. But, the buying and selling HAS to be automated. The company is headquartered in Ireland so Americans surely aren't there, hanging around a table in Dublin. Traders put in buy/sell orders for x contracts at y price, then the orders are matched off as the prices are achieved.

The way the market could be manipulated if all or substantially all the traders are operating in collusion. But, I doubt that. Two of our own bloggers say they have accounts there and have traded, and they are both conservative (so doubtful they would be colluding with Democrats).

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 19, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Well, I guess you can manipulate if you don't mind eating the cost of the entire contract rather than just a 2x service charge

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

interetsing that you 37th would make that comment I was a Hillary delegate and was treated precisely the way you described DURING THE CAMPAIGN. That was 1 1/2 years ago and I like Hillary have gotten over it. Obama was not my first choice but McCain who I initially turned to would have been a disaster for our economy. If you were truly a Hillary supporter, which I have doubts about, she would be ashamed of most of what you post about Obama. The fact that many of his supporters were truly obnoxious, tried calling me a racist b/c I supported Hillary was a turn off, but again THE CAMPAIGN IS OVER, its time to govern, get behind your POTUS and move on. Becoming a mouthpiece for the do nothing know nothing Rs is exactly the opposite of what Hillary's campaign was about. To try to label me as an Obama opologist proves you know absolutely nothing about me or my politics.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

interetsing that you 37th would make that comment I was a Hillary delegate and was treated precisely the way you described DURING THE CAMPAIGN. That was 1 1/2 years ago and I like Hillary have gotten over it. Obama was not my first choice but McCain who I initially turned to would have been a disaster for our economy. If you were truly a Hillary supporter, which I have doubts about, she would be ashamed of most of what you post about Obama. The fact that many of his supporters were truly obnoxious, tried calling me a racist b/c I supported Hillary was a turn off, but again THE CAMPAIGN IS OVER, its time to govern, get behind your POTUS and move on. Becoming a mouthpiece for the do nothing know nothing Rs is exactly the opposite of what Hillary's campaign was about. To try to label me as an Obama opologist proves you know absolutely nothing about me or my politics.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

12BB - another intrade question. Is the buying automated? Supposed I wanted to by 20 shares at 80? Can I just enter that in and if someone decides to sell 5 at 60, I'll buy those and then still have my order going for 15 more?

Or do I have to actually be there to buy?

Because if the buying is automated, that would make market manipulation impossible, right? Since it requires two accounts. If someone wanted to depress the market by selling at 50, then it would get automatically snatched up before the second account has a chance at it. And if someone set a buy price at like 95, then a seller could jump right on that.

I guess if the buying was automatic, you couldn't depress. If the selling is automatic, then you can't inflate. If both, then you can't manipulate (at least without clearing all the waitlisted buy or sell orders)

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


I guess you are dancing with a chicken now


checking your intrade, then dancing with the chicken.

checking the intrade, dancing with the chicken.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 6:08 PM
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Hey, man, short the contract. Put your money where your mouth is. You could make money and get bragging rights too. Get drivl to short for you--he has an account. Or Suzy, he/she has an account. Of course, they would have to trust you.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 19, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/03/the_passage_before_the_passage.html

"The fact that 222 House Democrats voted down a Republican effort to outlaw "deem and pass" as a way to pass the health-care reform bill strikes me as very strong evidence that this bill is going to pass. In some ways, the easiest way for nervous House Democrats to let this thing die would've been to hide behind procedural concerns."

I agree. This is done. I'm certain of it.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


I guess you are dancing with a chicken now


checking your intrade, then dancing with the chicken.

checking the intrade, dancing with the chicken.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse


The democrats are TRYING TO DECEIVE AND LIE THEIR WAY THROUGH THIS VOTE:


Making the rounds of Democrat Offices on Capitol Hill is a ‘messaging’ memo designed to help Democrat members navigate a politically dangerous environment where the public is united in opposition to their government take-over of health care. Key message:

“do not allow yourself (or your boss) to get into a discussion of the details of CBO scores and textual narrative. Instead, focus only on the deficit reduction and number of Americans covered.”


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

The democrats are TRYING TO DECEIVE AND LIE THEIR WAY THROUGH THIS VOTE:


Making the rounds of Democrat Offices on Capitol Hill is a ‘messaging’ memo designed to help Democrat members navigate a politically dangerous environment where the public is united in opposition to their government take-over of health care. Key message:

“do not allow yourself (or your boss) to get into a discussion of the details of CBO scores and textual narrative. Instead, focus only on the deficit reduction and number of Americans covered.”


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

The democrats are TRYING TO DECEIVE AND LIE THEIR WAY THROUGH THIS VOTE:


Making the rounds of Democrat Offices on Capitol Hill is a ‘messaging’ memo designed to help Democrat members navigate a politically dangerous environment where the public is united in opposition to their government take-over of health care. Key message:

“do not allow yourself (or your boss) to get into a discussion of the details of CBO scores and textual narrative. Instead, focus only on the deficit reduction and number of Americans covered.”


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


On to your next deception ?? Bart Stupak appears to have enough votes to block the passage of the health care bill.


So, whatever you are trying to say - that you have lined up enough Catholics who said it is OK to make an agreement with the Catholic Bishops and then go back on your agreement ???

I seriously doubt that many of those people understand what happened with the prior agreement.

Again, the democrats are just using the Catholics to get a few press releases - AND THEY HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF HONORING ANY OF THEIR AGREEMENTS.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 19, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Divisions Within Pro-Life Groups On Overhaul Ease Opposition

Mar 19, 2010

"A previously steadfast coalition opposed to abortion – which feared that the health overhaul could divert federal money to support the procedure – is beginning to crack, The Christian Science Monitor reports. "Increasingly, abortion foes – including high-profile Catholic organizations and members of Congress – are saying that while the language aimed at preventing use of federal funds for abortion is not perfect, the bill is still worth passing as a first step." The Catholic Health Association, 60 prominent American nuns, and several Democratic lawmakers, including Reps. Charlie Wilson of Ohio and Dale Kildee of Michigan, broke ranks with abortion-opponents to support the bill."

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Daily-Reports/2010/March/19/Abortion.aspx

Posted by: 12BarBlues
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There have been indications that some "things" will be added later in separate bills.

Posted by: leapin | March 19, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Do you really need to do the same post three times in six minutes, ash-brain? Talk about idiotic.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 19, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

From Kaiser Health News:

Michael Sean Winters, a reporter for American Magazine and National Catholic Reporter, tells NPR: "The bishops have a role they're primarily moral teachers. And one of the things you learn in moral theology is it does kind of tend to this worst case scenario analysis. And I think that may be why they've raised some red flags that the sisters who actually run the hospitals who deal with the poor, who deal with pregnant women facing a crisis pregnancy, they may see that those red flags really are not something to be alarmed about" (Martin, 3/18).

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 19, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

“do not allow yourself (or your boss) to get into a discussion of the details of CBO scores and textual narrative. Instead, focus only on the deficit reduction and number of Americans covered.”


Posted by: 37thand0street
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At this time we also ask you to hide your hammer and sickle

Posted by: leapin | March 19, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

The democrats are TRYING TO DECEIVE AND LIE THEIR WAY THROUGH THIS VOTE:


Making the rounds of Democrat Offices on Capitol Hill is a ‘messaging’ memo designed to help Democrat members navigate a politically dangerous environment where the public is united in opposition to their government take-over of health care. Key message:

“do not allow yourself (or your boss) to get into a discussion of the details of CBO scores and textual narrative. Instead, focus only on the deficit reduction and number of Americans covered.”


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse


Divisions Within Pro-Life Groups On Overhaul Ease Opposition

Mar 19, 2010

"A previously steadfast coalition opposed to abortion – which feared that the health overhaul could divert federal money to support the procedure – is beginning to crack, The Christian Science Monitor reports. "Increasingly, abortion foes – including high-profile Catholic organizations and members of Congress – are saying that while the language aimed at preventing use of federal funds for abortion is not perfect, the bill is still worth passing as a first step." The Catholic Health Association, 60 prominent American nuns, and several Democratic lawmakers, including Reps. Charlie Wilson of Ohio and Dale Kildee of Michigan, broke ranks with abortion-opponents to support the bill."

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Daily-Reports/2010/March/19/Abortion.aspx

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 19, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse


The democrats are TRYING TO DECEIVE AND LIE THEIR WAY THROUGH THIS VOTE:


Making the rounds of Democrat Offices on Capitol Hill is a ‘messaging’ memo designed to help Democrat members navigate a politically dangerous environment where the public is united in opposition to their government take-over of health care. Key message:

“do not allow yourself (or your boss) to get into a discussion of the details of CBO scores and textual narrative. Instead, focus only on the deficit reduction and number of Americans covered.”


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

The democrats are TRYING TO DECEIVE AND LIE THEIR WAY THROUGH THIS VOTE:

Making the rounds of Democrat Offices on Capitol Hill is a ‘messaging’ memo designed to help Democrat members navigate a politically dangerous environment where the public is united in opposition to their government take-over of health care. Key message:

“do not allow yourself (or your boss) to get into a discussion of the details of CBO scores and textual narrative. Instead, focus only on the deficit reduction and number of Americans covered.”


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1


You said it - the whole thing started with the Obama people - if you didn't agree with them, they harassed you .

They don't like it when people oppose them - hang in there - and give it to them the way they do it.

The Obama people - means the actual campaign two years ago - they chased the Hillary people away from the Daily Kos -

So now you are complaining - but where were you when the Obama people have been acting like that over the past two years?


Were you complaining about how they were acting???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I believe that drivl owns a boat : )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

It appears that Obama and the democrats are running right up against the Stupak crew - the democrats do not have the votes - Stupak holds the key to the whole health care bill.


There are about 20 democrats who are hoping that Stupak is successful - they want a chance to vote no.

Obama cares about "making history" - the Congressmen care about getting re-elected this fall.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

curious why this site has recently deteriorated to constant childish tantrums, insults and spamming rather than 1/2 way intelligent discourse. Apparently some here think they can insult and intimidate anyone who does not agree with their tactics and drive all diverse thought from this site. If you want to make sure that the only posts left here are those that agree with your nonsense go right ahead but you do so at the WP and contributor's peril.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD


I will insult you - because most of your posts are complete garbage. Clean up your act or get lost.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Come on, zouk, if you were an achiever you wouldn't be trying to step up to the glamorous prestige and big pay if "professional photography." How much do you get for a child's birthday party? For a downscale wedding?

Get real. Nobody believes you. Any of it.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 19, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

dude, if you want to insult me or anyone, it's much more stinging if you do it based on fact. Saying I'm going to fail out of school isn't going to do it because it's got no truth to it. If you want to make fun of me for not having a life or something, that's a little more worth the effort. At least if it's true, there's a small chance I might feel bad about it at some point. If you really want to embarrass me, then go find my model mayhem website or something.

Also don't try and build yourself up. Don't talk about your many degrees or your boats or whatever. 1) no one believes you 2) no one cares. If one minute you talk about your economics background and the next minute you complain how Obama hasn't solved the recession a week into his presidency, do you think anyone is going to believe you know the first thing about economics? Of course not. And trust me. The only thing that can get you respect on this board is good ideas and intelligent discussion. I can make up model girlfriends and mansions and millions of dollars and whatnot. No one is impressed. This is the internet. You can pretend to be anything. MarkinAustin could be living in a box and he'll still get a hundred times more respect than you since the guy knows everything and communicates it well.

So obviously being respected on here is very important to you. Obviously you'll never get it from anyone who is a current regular, but new people will come. Work on your scholarship a bit. Read up on things besides that moronic website you go to. Don't be so wedded to the whole liberal v conservative dichotomy. That's only for cable tv. The real world doesn't work that way.

Take my advice if you want it. If not, then don't wonder why people aren't going to think you're really clever for coming up with "obimbo"

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"Just sad. What ever happened to leadership for leadership's sake?" B202

My Answer: Karl Rove and Roger Ailes, they moved the Republicans onto this track; they need an old school Republican to get back to winning by doing the right thing.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

drivl:

I will not miss him.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

DDUDD, I did my time writing a dissertation. I urge you to continue and educate yourself. It is clear that you have no where to go but up.

Even with your obvious IQ shortcomings, I predict you will still do better than Ped or dribbl, who are clearly stuck in a rut of their own making, thriving on ignorance and idiocy. but don't use them as you model.

your "aw shucks" naivite is amusing for a child but as you approach adulthood, you will be expected to actually think for yourself and automatically swallowing lefty bugaboo is going to steer you wrong. I have seen a decided downturn in your relative contribution on this blog. Are you trying to fit in?

Posted by: drivl | March 19, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


do you have anything of substance to say ?


It seems all you are doing is either 1) practicing deceptions, or 2) mischaracterizing the positions of other posters.


Do you have anything of substance to say?

Or are you going back to one of your twelve bars?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty funny how zook tries to build himself up on some message board with strangers. Like, I'll talk about my boring life, but I'm certainly not trying to make anyone jealous of the fact that I spend my life in a tiny apartment spending my life writing a dissertation.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

A Washington Post article entitled, Obama's happiness deficit suggested Barack Obama, "doesn't seem all that happy being president." Maybe before applying for a job he was unqualified for, Obama should have visited a career counselor to discuss options more fitting the skill set of a community organizer. Because based on opinion polls, 54% of the nation disapproves of Obama's first year of on-the-job training, indicating Barry isn't the only one presently dealing with job dissatisfaction. Insistent about stepping into a position he was incapable of handling

Posted by: drivl | March 19, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

There is GENERAL AGREEMENT around the country that this health care bill is the GREATEST ABUSE OF GOVERNMENT POWER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY.


It is clear.


First, Obama's platform was NOT understand to include the CREATION OF A MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WITH MASSIVE NEW TAXES. This is the very definition of overreach.


Second, there is overwhelming opposition among the public for this bill.


Yet, Obama has persisted in pushing this bill through - Against all commentary recommending that he concentrate on the economy and jobs - Against the best judgeement of people all over his own party - Against all counsel of democratic pollsters writing in the Washington Post.


Obama has risked the destruction of the democratic party.


The thing is democrats all over the country are wondering why - why is this happening - and the only answer is this is a giant ego trip on the part of Obama -


HOW MUCH IS OBAMA'S EGO TRIP GOING TO COST YOU ?????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Today - the House democratic leadership just realized that they just wasted the whole week trying to find a way around the Stupak block - they have the votes to block health care.

What is astonishing is that the democrats went back on their own word on the Stupak amendment - and now they are stopped cold in their steps.

This may stop the bill completely - classic overreach. This bill is a historic abuse of government power.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Poor lonely desperate Ped. Never got over the rejection from your father did you?

what did you expect? he was man's man. you, well, hehe. not so much.

how old were you when they essentially kicked you out?

with your personality, who could blame them. at least We can all be happy that you will never have any children to warp.

and you said there is no God. He sure fixed you. loser. going to die alone and broke in a foreign country with no one to care. Probabaly from something itchy between the legs.

at least Jake and 37 will miss you.

Posted by: drivl | March 19, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


Stop it - you know perfectly well that they have turned intrade into a democratic talking point - and you are trying to deceive people.

So just stop it.

You sit there - continuing to try to find a way to lie to people - and convince them of something that simply is not true.

You sound like an Obama promise of transparency - or a promise of bipartisanship.

Where did that get you ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

In fact, I have many hobbies, photography, boating, travel, scholarship and many more. I also have a loving wife and two adorable kids and a large extended family

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stop you're killing me, my ribs ache from laughing

yeah, loving wife, does she know you send cooing entreaties for company to models on web sites?

If your life is so rich and fulfilling why are you here 365 days a year posting about ped and dribbl and ddud?

Does not compute, Will Robinson!

At least you learned to spell Cayman, an ah hepped.

(*chortle*)

(*hronk*)

Posted by: Noacoler | March 19, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

B2O2:

If Obamacare ends up costing two-three times the current projection, will you at least agree that CBO missed the mark?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

There is GENERAL AGREEMENT around the country that this health care bill is the GREATEST ABUSE OF GOVERNMENT POWER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY.


It is clear.


First, Obama's platform was NOT understand to include the CREATION OF A MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WITH MASSIVE NEW TAXES. This is the very definition of overreach.


Second, there is overwhelming opposition among the public for this bill.


Yet, Obama has persisted in pushing this bill through - Against all commentary recommending that he concentrate on the economy and jobs - Against the best judgement of people all over his own party - Against all counsel of democratic pollsters writing in the Washington Post.


Obama has risked the destruction of the democratic party.


The thing is democrats all over the country are wondering why - why is this happening - and the only answer is this is a giant ego trip on the part of Obama -


HOW MUCH IS OBAMA'S EGO TRIP GOING TO COST YOU ?????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, I have many hobbies, but I do not fixate on them and obsess like you do Ped.

I don't have thousands of useless CD's. I don't have a horde of declining gold. I don't stalk the showers at the gym every night. I don't blog all night every night with mindless losers arguing about how many repeats you posted. I don't have a room full of birds as my only companions. I don't have a long history of nameless faces in dark corners as my outlet for my loins. why does it seem that 37th and Jake are probably your best friends in the world?

In fact, I have many hobbies, photography, boating, travel, scholarship and many more. I also have a loving wife and two adorable kids and a large extended family, the sense of belonging you will never know Ped. when I am old, I won't be bald, I won't be alone, I won't be stuck overseas because of a lack of wealth, I won't be wasting my time with losers on a blog at a dead end job. In fact in about a week it is off to Grand Cayman. My yacht should be ready to splash when I return.

My academic record is sufficient to keep me very comfortable doing what I want at a good price with plenty of freedom.

but enough about me. I know this blog is all about you every evening. Can you please relate some long boring opinion we've heard a million times from chairman Meow?

you ought to try a life outside the blog sometime. but is that a billy goat I hear after your gold?

Posted by: drivl | March 19, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"The South seceded becdause they had the right to do so. Posted by: jhr1"

I avoid answering idiots and trolls, but this needs context.

Had most of the eleven states that succeeded followed the desires of the majority of their state, only a couple, South Carolina, Alabama, and maybe Mississippi would have gone out. Western Virginia stayed, (because it was accessible to Federal and State Troops from Ohio), and eastern Tennessee would have stayed, (Andrew Johnson, Senator from Tennessee and an eastern Tennessean was the only Southern Congressman to stay) but it was too remote to get federal troops in fast enough. Vicksburg, and, actually, most of Louisiana were economically tied to the North and would have stayed, but throughout, because the Legislatures were uniformly peopled by particularly unrepresentative Planters and other wealthy slave owners, Those eleven states went out, and demanded that the poor and middle class fight their war for them.

Now we have the Remnant party of the very Rich, the Republicans,. and their vocal minority, the T-People, bleating like Yancey, and Ruffin, and Governor Brown of Georgia.

Of course, this time you won't find a supine underclass to fight your battles for you, so your armed rebellion will look a lot more like David Bradford and his friends in the Whiskey Rebellion than Lee and Joe Johnson. You also won't find a single state's Legislature to back you, so you will be another Daniel Shay, running from the militia, should you ever actually carry through your bluster. When the 101st get its call, like Little Rock, you will be just another sullen southern redneck mob, posing for the TV cameras.

Posted by: ceflynline | March 19, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

This is simply amazing. GOP demagogues like Cantor are STILL saying we "can't afford this" even after the nonpartisan CBO says the health care bill will REDUCE the deficit by more than $1.3 trillion over the next two decades.

Republicans know it's the right thing. They just know that their only hope of getting back into power is by making the right thing look wrong. Just sad. What ever happened to leadership for leadership's sake?

Posted by: B2O2 | March 19, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

man, I should have gone with Cornell. I guess that was a trendy upset for a reason.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

A guy who stalks women on the Internet and eeks out a penny-ante existence betting on ball games isn't exactly in a stro g position to diss others on achievement, zouk ol' marlboro man

Posted by: Noacoler | March 19, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey, 37th,

If you are right, you could really make money shorting the HCR passage contract on Intrade. You could short hundreds of contracts at 75-85, which will then drop to zero next week, when the HCR bill is not passed. You would make 75-85 points per contract.

All it takes is guts, but since you are sure HCR doesn't have the chance of a snowball in hell, it won't even take guts. No brainer, really.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 19, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

ddudd, you do aim low, don't you? Is your school even accredited? or is it more of a "trade school".

Ped finished his community college straight through in seven years. Probably take you even longer just to be booted out with nothing.

Posted by: drivl | March 19, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't think there's any point in keeping a list. People are going to be dishonest and deceptive with their intentions. I think some people are going to try and get out of voting for it if they can, but won't be the reason the bill dies.

A done deal? I wouldn't call it a done deal, but it's pretty damn close.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Poor Ped. his doll sprung a leak and they are watching the playground.

his entire being is about to burst forth from his loins. excuse the one mindedness.

==
 
You really need some new material, shutterbug.  You’re neck and neck with 37th on repetition.  Inflato-doll?  Pederasty? 
 
Anyway, thanks to google cache, we all know who’s the stalker around here
 
http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:zWxTZmtKTg0J:www.modelmayhem.com/742172+%22I+am+new+to+professional+photography+but+am+willing+to+learn%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
 
But hey, zouk, thanks for the friend request!!!
 
(*ch0rtle*)

Posted by: Noacoler | March 19, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

What is the count now for the bill? How many more yesses are needed? I haven't been keeping a list.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 19, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

That's interesting. ULL requires a first author. I wonder if that's a requirement here.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/rep-boccieri-switches-to-yes-o.html?hpid=topnews

Two more yes votes for the bill

intrade is responding. Lowest asking price is at 84

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

SPECIAL REQUIREMENT
The student (as first author) must submit a manuscript to an appropriate national journal prior to the final examination.

hahahahahahahahahaha

never going to happen.

Posted by: drivl | March 19, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Intrade has the probability of HCR passage at 84%.

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=709242&z=1267779857294

In a spirit of fairness, I must relay the opinion of 37th&O that this is all BS and is the result of a conspiracy of paid political operatives who are blogging on this site and irritating the hell out of 37th&O.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 19, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

We've already arrived at the consensus that DDUd, you are the stupidest poster here. you can relax. you won.

It was only close when dribbl was here.

Posted by: drivl | March 19, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

The South seceded becdause they had the right to do so.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 19, 2010 1:38 PM
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How's that hopey changey thing working out for you?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 19, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

There is GENERAL AGREEMENT around the country that this health care bill is the GREATEST ABUSE OF GOVERNMENT POWER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY.


It is clear.


First, Obama's platform was NOT understand to include the CREATION OF A MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WITH MASSIVE NEW TAXES. This is the very definition of overreach.


Second, there is overwhelming opposition among the public for this bill.


Yet, Obama has persisted in pushing this bill through - Against all commentary recommending that he concentrate on the economy and jobs - Against the best judgeement of people all over his own party - Against all counsel of democratic pollsters writing in the Washington Post.


Obama has risked the destruction of the democratic party.


The thing is democrats all over the country are wondering why - why is this happening - and the only answer is this is a giant ego trip on the part of Obama -


HOW MUCH IS OBAMA'S EGO TRIP GOING TO COST YOU ?????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I quit grad school. I'm taking up photography.

Here's my webpage. I have so many clients. Just look at my friend list!

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:zWxTZmtKTg0J:www.modelmayhem.com/742172+%22I+am+new+to+professional+photography+but+am+willing+to+learn%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

I'm new to it, but I am willing to learn.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Not making much progress on that dissertation are you DDud?

Never fear, at Bayou U, the expectations are very low. Has you're advisor even returned from Mardi Gras yet? not that you have anything to tell.

A real school would have kicked you out by now.

then you can go write code for 20 bucks an hour like Ped and hope to retire in a foreign country with air conditioned gyms and showers with no curtains.

Are you more the Norman Bates type or the Rahm emmanuelle?

Looks like it's time for the weekend show, where Ped and associates convene to discuss recipes, snazzy dressing, knitting and of course, the evil Repubs.

Posted by: drivl | March 19, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

leaked memo to house democrats: "Don't Talk About the CBO Score"

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YzVjNDIxNzgwNmE1NjBkNzVjYmYxMjZjZTU1ODk1ZDU=

Posted by: doof | March 19, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

at least you didn't post your usual repetitive diatribe.
Apparently you slept through history class when the 1965 Medicare Bill was being discussed. Once again Rs will be on the wrong side of history as in 1965 or more likely in ten years will claim the 2010 HC bill was entirely their idea. Question 37th: if this bill is not so important to the country or the history books then why do you post your antiObama antiD antiHC rants 24/7?

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"Poor Ped. his doll sprung a leak and they are watching the playground.

his entire being is about to burst forth from his loins. excuse the one mindedness.

Posted by: drivl"

Don't worry. When the entirety of your sex life entails of trolling the web for internet models, we are willing to excuse a lot.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Sorry leichtman, but there is no news news on the health bill in the last hour. Since I have nothing more to say about the topic, I'll quit after this little jab.

jhr1 is typical of the remnants of the Old South, proudly ignorant crackers who still can't believe they don't get to do whatever they like because they will be able terrorize or kill opposition.

The Mongols, by the way, invented total war as a strategic tool. Of course there were atrocities committed since pre-history, read the last line of the Biblical Psalm that begins, "By the rivers of babylon..."

But the Mongols connected mass slaughter, as a strategic method, to territorial acquisition. You surrender control of your territory and pay us tribute or we will do to you what we did to [insert annihilated city/state here].

Since then, it has been practiced by many, there are smaller examples too numerous (and gruesome) to recount. But to even compare Sherman's atrocities to those of the Nazis is bizarre. To insinuate that Hitler could not have or would not have developed the concept without studying the "damn Yankees" is comical.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

lol, the difference between the highest bid and lowest offer on intrade is 0.3
79.6 and 79.9

Seems like a pretty good market consensus.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Poor Ped. his doll sprung a leak and they are watching the playground.

his entire being is about to burst forth from his loins. excuse the one mindedness.

Posted by: drivl | March 19, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

leichtman


The only thing "historic" about this bill is that is it an "historic abuse of government power.

What is wrong with you?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

unbelievable: conservatives want to relitigate: 1. The Civil War 2.Evolution
3. Medicare and 4. Social Security. Did I leave anything out?

Somehow I thoght today's topic was the impending historic vote on HC, not rebel flags or the Civil War,

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

There have been so many deals put in and taken out of this bill who really knows what it will end up as. Certainly nothing that's beneficial to the majority of the country, and certainly nothing that will prevent it from tanking our economy for good. The already top heavy government is trying to increase its size and influence and if they're successful, it won't be long before it topples; brought down by the lack of supporting tax dollars. .This congress and this president are so blithely unconcerned with how this will affect anyone besides themselves that it doesn't matter to them whether or not it hurts us. They'll be ok, no matter what. They've all pretty much assured themselves of a rosy future, in or out of office so to them, we're simply another step up on their ladder to personal success. They will be remembered as the single most corrupt and despised group to ever disgrace the offices they hold. A pox on them.

Posted by: Lilycat1 | March 19, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

There is GENERAL AGREEMENT around the country that this health care bill is the GREATEST ABUSE OF GOVERNMENT POWER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY.

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there is GENERAL AGREEMENT around THE FIX that the zit that is 37th is ABOUT TO POP

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Posted by: Noacoler | March 19, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

The South seceded becdause they had the right to do so.

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the contemporary south wants nothing to do with cretins like you. You're totally out of step with your own country, even in the south.

Might fit in at a Palin speech, though.

Did your girlfriend leave you for a black man who could satisfy her in bed, after you couldn't? Figures.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 19, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

There is GENERAL AGREEMENT around the country that this health care bill is the GREATEST ABUSE OF GOVERNMENT POWER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY.


It is clear.


First, Obama's platform was NOT understand to include the CREATION OF A MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WITH MASSIVE NEW TAXES. This is the very definition of overreach.


Second, there is overwhelming opposition among the public for this bill.


Yet, Obama has persisted in pushing this bill through - Against all commentary recommending that he concentrate on the economy and jobs - Against the best judgeement of people all over his own party - Against all counsel of democratic pollsters writing in the Washington Post.


Obama has risked the destruction of the democratic party.


The thing is democrats all over the country are wondering why - why is this happening - and the only answer is this is a giant ego trip on the part of Obama -


HOW MUCH IS OBAMA'S EGO TRIP GOING TO COST YOU ?????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"The South seceded becdause they had the right to do so.

Posted by: jhr1"

And the North had the right to go in and crack some skulls!

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

JakeD3

Your pal Obama is saying he is trying to make history - yea, in ABUSE OF GOVERNMENT POWER.


How you ever heard of a situation in which 38 states are threatening to go to court over proposed legislation ??

The states do NOT want additional costs placed on them - Obama is going to have to pay for his own MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS.


Anyway - much of Obama's program, if it passes, will be repealed.

And you can STUFF THAT !


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

HEY ZOUK / DRIVL / MOONBAT

I'm curious why your Model Mania page is down. Did you take it off because someone found it? Or did the site take it down? Did some of the women call the cops because you were stalking them?

Were you at their windows at night with your camera?

Idle prurient curiosity needs satisfaction!

Posted by: Noacoler | March 19, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"Slavery was legal then. You got a problem with that work it out in the congress and the courts."

Um, the south seceded BECAUSE slavery was being worked out in Congress and the Presidency.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Update: There are rumors that at least two House Democrats have been bought off by promises of Administration positions. Bart Gordon (D-TN) has apparently been offered the job of head of NASA in exchange for his 'Yes' Vote. Another Tennessee Congressman, John Tanner, has been offered the position of Ambassador to NATO

what's your price becomes the theme of the Capone Administration.

Posted by: drivl | March 19, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse


There is GENERAL AGREEMENT around the country that this health care bill is the GREATEST ABUSE OF GOVERNMENT POWER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY.


It is clear.


First, Obama's platform was NOT understand to include the CREATION OF A MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WITH MASSIVE NEW TAXES. This is the very definition of overreach.


Second, there is overwhelming opposition among the public for this bill.


Yet, Obama has persisted in pushing this bill through - Against all commentary recommending that he concentrate on the economy and jobs - Against the best judgeement of people all over his own party - Against all counsel of democratic pollsters writing in the Washington Post.


Obama has risked the destruction of the democratic party.


The thing is democrats all over the country are wondering why - why is this happening - and the only answer is this is a giant ego trip on the part of Obama -


HOW MUCH IS OBAMA'S EGO TRIP GOING TO COST YOU ?????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Stop the presses: a member of the gang of looting thugs known as Congressional Democrats has actually said something true. Rep. Tom Perriello (D-VA):

"If you don't tie our hands, we will keep stealing."
No kidding.

Posted by: drivl | March 19, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

The costs that the democrats push ONTO THE STATES - all those costs are going to show up in your taxes one way or the other.

Plus the doctor fix is $225 Billion


Plus the Medicare $500 Billion spent twice.


How does ANY OF THAT SAVE THE BUDGET MONEY ???

OBAMA IS LYING - DON'T BE FOOLED.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Remember when the left mercilessly ridiculed Dan Quayle for mis-spelling potato? Remember when Sarah Palin was ridiculed for (correctly) noting that Alaska borders Russia? Remember how every George W. Bush gaffe got twenty minutes of air-time on The Daily Show and a SNL sketch?

But when Dear Reader misspells "Syracuse" while filling out his NCAA brackets --- (a moment breathlessly hyped by the MSM, even as they ignore Demon Pass) --- his boyfriends in the MSM cover for him.

They don't show Obama writing the word Syracuse, it is replaced with ESPN animation, (at 1:26). Obama comes in after the animation and says "we've got Syracuse here" (word Syracuse is already written). ESPN shows him write every team in the Sweet 16 except for Syracuse, which they edited out

It's sad when the president is so dumb the media has to cover for him.

Posted by: drivl | March 19, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Slavery was legal then. You got a problem with that work it out in the congress and the courts. Practicing rape and murder of the south"s civilian population is no "moral" war.

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my my aren't you a sick little b itch.

how nice you have anonymous blogs for this filth... say it anywhere in person and you'll be carrying your incisors in a baggie.

at least you won't lose your job since you certainly don't have one.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 19, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Democratic Rep. Peter DeFazio of Oregon

My favorite elected official. I'd donate, work and vote for him for any office.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Democratic Rep. Peter DeFazio of Oregon switches vote to 'no' on health care bill


the titanic is taking on water.

Posted by: drivl | March 19, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Jakey-Too if "Obamacare" passes then "there will be blood.". Hopefully yours, in the bathtub, a razor blade to your wrists.

Go parallel to the arm, toward the elbow.

One last burst of attention for the racist troll.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 19, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"Definitely an inspiration."

Yes and now, if the Minnesota wins,
I'll be right with the tournament again.
I told bsimon I think, I grew up (to age nine anyway) on the grounds of the Benedictine convent in St. Joseph, Stearns County.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

JakeD3


first, your name is an attempt to mock another poster


Second, take your comments and stuff them.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

People who justify an absolutely unjustifiable war (killing to protect a decadent slave culture) are sick.

Sending good people off to war,
the reason better be more noble
than the lives of the dead.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/03/21/magazine/20100321-soliders-bedrooms-slideshow.html?hp?hp

Then their is your Jim Crow legacy,
I suppose that still makes sense to you too, cracker. Remember Little Rock? The brave paratroopers of the 101st Airborne had to remind the South, again, about the difference between right and wrong.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Drindl, I heard about that 11 year old boy. I'm pretty numb now to the nonsense of Limbaugh et al. They say stupid things daily. I'll find humor in it, but I'm no longer outraged. I'm just indifferent.

But I was really struck by that kid's courage. With all the stuff he's had to go through, I'm really impressed that he can deal with the right wingers as well as he can. With all the cowardice we see every day from politicians and pundits, it's really refreshing to see that kind of bravery as that kid is showing. It kind of makes me wish there is a god to separate people like him from people like Limbaugh.

Definitely an inspiration.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

How can you RAISE TAXES, DUMP ALL SORTS OF COSTS ONTO THE STATES, and then CLAIM THAT YOU ARE SAVING A TRILLION DOLLARS ???

Only Obama.


Obama is lying about the costs of his program - how much of the COSTS ARE GETTING FORCED ON THE STATES ???

OBAMA IS NOT BEING HONEST ABOUT THE TAXES WHICH WILL BE NECESSARY FOR THIS BILL.


OBAMA LIED. TODAY.

OBAMA LIED. TODAY


OBAMA LIED. TODAY.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

jhr1 got up on the wrong side of the civil war.

Could somebody write 37th a program to post "There is GENERAL AGREEMENT..." every 15 minutes? That way, 37th can just set the few posts of the day and wander off to get a little fresh air.

Bye all. Off to watch 'Cuse lose.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 19, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

There is GENERAL AGREEMENT around the country that this health care bill is the GREATEST ABUSE OF GOVERNMENT POWER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY.


It is clear.


First, Obama's platform was NOT understand to include the CREATION OF A MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WITH MASSIVE NEW TAXES. This is the very definition of overreach.


Second, there is overwhelming opposition among the public for this bill.


Yet, Obama has persisted in pushing this bill through - Against all commentary recommending that he concentrate on the economy and jobs - Against the best judgeement of people all over his own party - Against all counsel of democratic pollsters writing in the Washington Post.

Obama has risked the destruction of the democratic party.


The thing is democrats all over the country are wondering why - why is this happening - and the only answer is this is a giant ego trip on the part of Obama -

HOW MUCH IS OBAMA'S EGO TRIP GOING TO COST YOU ?????

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

LOL, drindl, as I said "report away" (my bar # 32123) but I retired 1995.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

hmmm? WVa seems to be doing well. Hopefully the Big East can salvage their tournament after their embarrassing showing yesterday.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

pure evil:

WASHINGTON - Conservative talk show hosts and columnists have ridiculed an 11-year-old Washington state boy's account of his mother's death as a "sob story" exploited by the White House and congressional Democrats like a "kiddie shield" to defend their health care legislation.

Marcelas Owens, whose mother got sick, lost her job, lost her health insurance and died, said Thursday he's taking the attacks from Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin in stride.


"My mother always taught me they can have their own opinion but that doesn't mean they are right," Owens, who lives in Seattle, said in an interview.

Owens' grandmother, Gina, who watched her daughter die, isn't quite so generous.
"These are adults, and he is an 11-year-old boy who lost his mother," Gina Owens said. "They should be ashamed."

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

too funny -- so much for bushie's legacy:

'Yesterday, the libertarian Cato Institute hosted a panel discussion on conservatism and the war in Afghanistan with Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA), Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) and Rep. John J. Duncan, Jr. (R-TN). When the conversation shifted to the war in Iraq, Rohrabacher said that “once President Bush decided to go into Iraq, I thought it was a mistake because we hadn’t finished the job in Afghanistan,” but that once Bush “decided to go in,” he “felt compelled” to “back him up.” He then added that “the decision to go in, in retrospect, almost all of us think that was a horrible mistake.”

Moderator Grover Norquist then asked Rohrabacher to provide a “guesstimate percentage of Republicans in Congress who would share that view — not that they opposed the President at the time, but today looking back.” Rohrabacher replied that “everybody I know thinks it was a mistake to go in now”:

ROHRABACHER: Well, now that we know that it cost a trillion dollars and all of these years and all of these lives and all of this blood, uh, I don’t know many…

NORQUIST: Looking for a number. Two-thirds? One-third?

ROHRABACHER: I, I can’t. All I can say is the people, everybody I know thinks it was a mistake to go in now.

NORQUIST: That’s 100 percent.

Norquist then turned to McClintock, asking “what percentage”:

NORQUIST: Of Republicans in Congress, who would agree with the general analysis here that it was a mistake and/or we should go in.

MCCLINTOCK: I think everyone would agree Iraq was a mistake.

NORQUIST: Two hundred percents. Ok, we’re going to average these.

MCCLINTOCK: And, you know, again, I think virtually everyone would agree going into Afghanistan the way we did was a mistake. How many share my, my cynicism over this idea of a resolution of force, which I can’t find anywhere in the Constitution. And how many believe that in those rare cases where we go in, we put all of our resources behind our soldiers, I would say certainly more than half of the Republican caucus probably believe that.'

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

The greatest abuse of power in the history of the country was the secession of the South followed by the death of reconstruction, the imposition of Jim Crow.

Great War of Yankee Aggression, yeah that murderous war lord Abe Lincoln, I hear he loved to spill the blood of innocents. That whole Gettysburg Address thing was such a farce.

No wonder a thick southern accent is still heard as ignorance.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"The State Bar of California is investigating Orly Taitz, a process that could ultimately result in the Birther attorney's disbarment, Taitz and her lawyer confirmed to TPMmuckraker.

The investigation was prompted at least in part by a sanction for professional misconduct against Taitz in a Birther case in federal court in Georgia. Taitz continues to fight the $20,000 fine, which was imposed on her for making frivolous filings."

Watch out, Jake James -- they're coming after YOU next.

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse


http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/003345.html

Drindl, Reality USA September 1st, 2009 10:55 am ET

Who cares what these nutbags think?

Why do you even bother covering a convention of asylum inmates?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/01/no-love-for-harry-on-the-tea-party-express/?fbid=yPAoudVUvgx

Ack -- it's like an evil coven. And why would they choose Jane Swift -- the poster girl for incompetent female governors?

drindl

YOU'RE JOKING, RIGHT?

Posted by drindl
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/polinaut/archive/2009/06/bachmann_wont_t.shtml

spewing hate across the entire Internet. and you thought we were special.

Posted by: drivl | March 19, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

'Weiner wasn't done:

Would you stop, one-year tangent? Health care's 20% of our economy and it's a tangent? This is the problem -- we've got to solve the problem but let's do it some other time. For eight years in this country this problem was festering. Incomes were flat. Why? Cause every single spare dollar an employer had had to go into health care, not into wages. Our wages are down, our economy's at a standstill because of health care. And we're fixing that problem because your team didn't do it.'

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Lincoln Davis moved from no to undecided today - that is the ONLY glimmer of positive news for the democrats.


Everything else you heard today was expected.


The vote is extremely close - and it could go either way.

There is GENERAL AGREEMENT around the country that this health care bill is the GREATEST ABUSE OF GOVERNMENT POWER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY.


It is clear.


First, Obama's platform was NOT understand to include the CREATION OF A MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WITH MASSIVE NEW TAXES. This is the very definition of overreach.


Second, there is overwhelming opposition among the public for this bill.


Yet, Obama has persisted in pushing this bill through - Against all commentary recommending that he concentrate on the economy and jobs - Against the best judgeement of people all over his own party - Against all counsel of democratic pollsters writing in the Washington Post.

Obama has risked the destruction of the democratic party.


The thing is democrats all over the country are wondering why - why is this happening - and the only answer is this is a giant ego trip on the part of Obama -

HOW MUCH IS OBAMA'S EGO TRIP GOING TO COST YOU ?????

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) appeared on Morning Joe today, and things got a bit heated when he told Wall Street Journal columnist and former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan that her criticisms of President Obama and health care reform were some "of the most cliched, hackneyed assessments of this thing."

Noonan started off by stating that Congress was already "one of the most unpopular institutions in America before they went through this dreadful process, with all of the buying of Congressman and the buying of the Senators."

She also claimed that President Obama "misunderstood what history was asking of him" when he started the push for health care reform, and that it was "fatally off-point."

Instead, she said, the President should have been focusing on jobs and the economy.

Weiner was not having any of this: "These are two of the most cliched, hackneyed assessments of this thing. One, that this was not a good process. It went through five committees. The most open process I can imagine. Every single Republican amendment was considered."

"This is how legislation works," he added.

Weiner continued: "Secondly, this idea that we are not losing jobs because 20% of every dollar we spend goes to health care is just wrong."

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: drivl | March 19, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

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There is GENERAL AGREEMENT around THIS BLOG that YOU are the BIGGEST IDIOT IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY.

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Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

There is GENERAL AGREEMENT around the Fix that if I post this comment 77 times, it will become true.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 19, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

'Kaiser Health News:

As Democrats worked feverishly Wednesday to corral votes in support of a health care overhaul, they picked up the endorsement of more than 200 advocacy groups and medical associations who urged lawmakers to pass the bill.

Hmmm... why would they all want to endorse this bill, unless it was better than the status quo?

Nate Silver:

It's sure starting to look like both the momentum and the math favor the Democrats and that something will have to go wrong to prevent them from getting to 216 votes on health care.'

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

'Steven Pearlstein:

It's shaping up to be a great weekend here in Washington.

I'm not just talking about the spectacular weather or another upset-filled NCAA basketball tournament. I'm talking about the prospect of a quasi-climactic vote in the House that would finally have the United States join the rest of the industrialized world in offering health insurance to all its citizens.

I love the smell of political theater in the morning. It smells like... victory.

Eugene Robinson:

If health-care reform finally staggers across the finish line, it will be because President Obama and congressional Democrats recognized -- at long last -- the truth that has been staring them in the face for more than a year: They'll be better off politically if they just try their best to do the right thing.

Still, it's easier to do the right thing when you have the votes. Blessed be the Congresscritter who does the right thing anyway.'

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

There is GENERAL AGREEMENT around the country that this health care bill is the GREATEST ABUSE OF GOVERNMENT POWER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY.


It is clear.


First, Obama's platform was NOT understand to include the CREATION OF A MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WITH MASSIVE NEW TAXES. This is the very definition of overreach.


Second, there is overwhelming opposition among the public for this bill.


Yet, Obama has persisted in pushing this bill through - Against all commentary recommending that he concentrate on the economy and jobs - Against the best judgeement of people all over his own party - Against all counsel of democratic pollsters writing in the Washington Post.

Obama has risked the destruction of the democratic party.


The thing is democrats all over the country are wondering why - why is this happening - and the only answer is this is a giant ego trip on the part of Obama -

HOW MUCH IS OBAMA'S EGO TRIP GOING TO COST YOU ?????

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Exact Same Style weekend event by US Congress sent HelathCare bill to US Senate in LATE 2009. Several Problems then, US Congress was NOT In session that day/NIGHT & photos show Person with Grey hair, heavy set & Mustache, identified in News Release as US Congressional Sgt at Arms, whom Lost Job (fired) about 6 Years ago. Recently, earlier today, picture on internet with Same Heavy set gray haired & Mustached defunct Sgt at ARMS, with group in US Congress Floor area with Hon Pelosi, Seems that specific BAD guard Knows how to enter US Congress when out of session & Pull Spoof Photo session that becomes foundation for HealthCare bill Moving Bill on in Process, complete Fraud, Public Seems NOT smart Enough to UnderStand Mess has fallen into. terrible Crime, Right in Front of US Public Eyes.
Murder Is NOT Health Care & Prsent Bill Is Harvest of People whom bought BAD Package, NOT HealthCare At ALL. Entertainment Murder In isolated Place called hospitol. Inside Foundation of present HealthCare, Is HATE of Citizens of United States of America Lawyers Are that Way with Others. Whole Lie now called health Care Bill Needs Be Thrown Out, Defeated. Congress Is About To Criminalize HealthCare Process Further than every before. Public Being Duped & Repeat of first events in US Congress in Lat 2009. US CongressPeople Are NOT Above Law.

Signed:PHYSICIAN THOMAS STEWART von DRASHEK M.D.
GEORGE MASON UNIVERSITY 1984 to 1989.

Posted by: thomasxstewart1 | March 17, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ThomasStewart1 | March 19, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

'Hello, police, this is the magical fairy moonbat. '

LOL -- he's all yours, guys in white coats.

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

WE INTERRUPT 'OPERATION WA-PO BLOG SPAM' (a rogue gov't-funded 'black op' intended to disrupt political blog discussion?) FOR THIS IMPORTANT MESSAGE:

Health Care Reform? FIRST, DO NO HARM:

ATTENTION HOMELAND SECURITY (SECRET SERVICE, FEMA) / FBI / PENTAGON / DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE / INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATORS-INSPECTORS GENERAL
(also members of Congress and the Obama administration):

Your immediate attention is directed to the following articles and appended comments by veteran journalist Victor Livingston:

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

These articles expose serious government wrongdoing, including apparent crimes against humanity and the Constitution.

Many in government know about this -- and knowingly let it continue.

Corrective action is immediately required. Thank you.

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 19, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh great, now West Virginia is going to sh!it the bed too. I don't know why I bother with brackets.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

There is GENERAL AGREEMENT around the country that this health care bill is the GREATEST ABUSE OF GOVERNMENT POWER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY.


It is clear.


First, Obama's platform was NOT understand to include the CREATION OF A MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WITH MASSIVE NEW TAXES. This is the very definition of overreach.


Second, there is overwhelming opposition among the public for this bill.


Yet, Obama has persisted in pushing this bill through - Against all commentary recommending that he concentrate on the economy and jobs - Against the best judgeement of people all over his own party - Against all counsel of democratic pollsters writing in the Washington Post.

Obama has risked the destruction of the democratic party.


The thing is democrats all over the country are wondering why - why is this happening - and the only answer is this is a giant ego trip on the part of Obama -

HOW MUCH IS OBAMA'S EGO TRIP GOING TO COST YOU ?????

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Please tell me how this bill is the nanny state. It is actually quite moderate.

At it's core it is Dick Nixon's bill from 1971, Nixon Wilber Mills from 1974.

It's more moderate then Clinton care since there is no employer mandate or universal card. It's actually closer to 1993 Dole-Chaffe or 2006 Romney Care that Scott Brown voted for and Willard Mitt Romney ran away from in 2008 to this day.


KILL THE BILL before these freeloading nanny-staters ruin the country. These politburo maneuverings are not representative government. Srew the Marxists!


Posted by: jhr1

Posted by: MerrillFrank | March 19, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Hello, police, this is the magical fairy moonbat. I want to report a crime. someone made me feel bad.

Maam, who is the perp?

A guy named King of zouk. He lives somewhere in cyberspace.

What do you want us to do?

Find him, get him, make him shut up.

It would be hard to subpeona the "internet" maam. Have you been drinking?

No, I am always like this.

Posted by: drivl | March 19, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

so how much do wh*res cost in DC, drivel?

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Another reason to open a Revolutionary contract on Intrade (besides putting money where mouth is), is that according to 37th, the contract can be easily manipulated to provide Republican talking points that will accomplish conservative goals.

Drive the contract up to 80%, then publicize it everywhere, demand concessions to avoid troops marching down Pennsylvania Ave. [It could work!]

LOL.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 19, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Broun "If Obamacare passes, that free insurance card that's in people's pockets is going to be as worthless as a Confederate dollar after the war between the states -- the Great War of Yankee Aggression."

Talk about revisionist history. He must have been educated in a red state with Texas school books. If I remember correctly the C.S.A. attacked the U.S. first at Fort Sumter. BTW, I can't seem to find my FREE insurance card.

Posted by: thomgr | March 19, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Had Hillary won this would be the Repubicans today.

http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/a4/9g/pickle-eggs-easy-way-800X800.jpg

I voted against Hillary because I believe this country can do better than two families running the White House over 4 presidencies.

I truly want this to fail - my guy Rep Ortiz will just do as the party tells him to do - he always does - this is why they turn a blind eye to all of the corruption in South Texas.

I would vote for a 3 headed Martian before I vote for Ortiz and he knows this is how the majority feels - we are stuck with him because of Washington - we will not vote Republican so we are basically disenfranchised by the Democratic Party

I would love for a Democratic would announce his/her exploratory committee now for 2012 - it will send a message to Obama and the Dems - stop the train wreck or face a show down in 2012.

Posted by: bobbywc | March 19, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

He doesn't have anything else to do with his life, D3, except to stalk women on the internet and pay wh*res to take pics of them.

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I once went on an ego trip, but my flight of fancy got delayed and I got stuck in a tropical depression.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 19, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

which cops loon?

Call away. It will result in the state carting you away.

Posted by: drivl | March 19, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"We CAN'T afford it."

And I say the only way and we will, is if we make major shifts in priorities. In other words, we surely can not afford to spend this much on health care and continue the same levels of spending on other things. We don't and we won't have that kind of wealth generating capacity.

Ignored has been the discussion of what falls away. Eating at restaurants, video games, vacations, wars, new clothes for every fad, pro sports, USAID, money for Israel and Egypt, there are so many things we buy. What will go away to pay for all this health care?

Again, with no bill and with no way of rationing care or controlling costs on the horizon in either case, I see this reapportionment as inevitable.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Why does Obama keep on saying this is "historic" - he wants to "make history" - HOW MUCH IS THAT GOING TO COST YOU ??


Is that Obama's only motivation?


Is this only an ego trip on the part of Obama?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

This is what sick f*cks we are dealing with on the right -- hateful deranged, ugly pr*cks:

WASHINGTON — Conservative talk show hosts and columnists have ridiculed an 11-year-old Washington state boy's account of his mother's death as a "sob story" exploited by the White House and congressional Democrats like a "kiddie shield" to defend their health care legislation.

Marcelas Owens, whose mother got sick, lost her job, lost her health insurance and died, said Thursday he's taking the attacks from Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin in stride.

"My mother always taught me they can have their own opinion but that doesn't mean they are right," Owens, who lives in Seattle, said in an interview.

Owens' grandmother, Gina, who watched her daughter die, isn't quite so generous.

"These are adults, and he is an 11-year-old boy who lost his mother," Gina Owens said. "They should be ashamed."

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/18/90669/state-of-the-health-care-debate.html#ixzz0idjnfvPZ

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Drivl is certainly an active copier. Pretty handy at pasting too.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 19, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Any more, zouk, and I call the cops. Don't step over the line, because i know who you are.

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Democrats who vote against the health care bill can expect to lose their base in the next election. And a no vote will not win over any republicans and few independents. Good luck getting re-elected!!!!

The G.O.P. is acting weird. First they give free advice to the Dems on how to get re-elected i.e. vote no. Second, they keep whining about the proces. Third, can anyone describe alternatives they have offered? I guess the government run health care program they all enjoy for LIFE is just too good for the rest of us.

Posted by: thomgr | March 19, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

In need of a good belly laugh. Take a gander at the face of psychiatric neglect:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000042251753

then hop over to see what this loon worships:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tiedrich-Design-Group/252924701594#!/pages/Tiedrich-Design-Group/252924701594?v=info

I promise you a view into the mind of a deranged moonbat.

My favorite webcomic, when I can comprehend it --
http://xkcd.com/ This one 'Abstraction' great-- but it's all good stuff.

conprehend? Maybe someday old bat.
what does it do all day? besides carpet paste here:

brainless became a fan of Can this poodle wearing a tinfoil hat get more fans than Glenn Beck?

We're dealing with a real rocket scientist here.
I am an independent marketing strategist and copier.

By independent, it means unemployed.

Posted by: drivl | March 19, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

There is GENERAL AGREEMENT that it is STILL CLOUDY.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 19, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

" I would bet anyone here that everyone who is now 'a rising GOP star' has a mistress somewhere... Posted by: drindl"
Innuendo, innuendo. Isn't getting into that state illegal in some Southern State or other?

Posted by: ceflynline | March 19, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


I know you have been on an all-week pubcrawl - but your drunken posts are getting out of hand.


You are twisting my words around.


And you know it. You are creating a deception.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

ll of these polls are stupid and pure rhetoric - when you include magin of error they are meaningless

God save this country the day our elected officials follow polls - I accept I cannot possibly have the knowledge of most of our elected officials - they have support staff and researchers I will never have - at some level we have to accept they are there to represent what is best and not what ill informed no nothings have to say in a poll.

Now this does not change the fact that even corporate America with the creation of HMO's have accepted clinics whrein everyone is on a salary is more efficient than doctors making money based on how much they can bill.

A public option thourgh community based clinics is the only way for the government to save money on medicare and medicaid -

So even though I give our elected officials a presumption they are more qualified to make decisions - I do not afford them that assumption when the obvious says they have it all wrong

Posted by: bobbywc | March 19, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd, thanks for the link.

Looks like drivl can spend quality time with lingerie models... as long as he has money.

Does he have to pay extra for the multiple personalities to be there?

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 19, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

There is GENERAL AGREEMENT around the country that this health care bill is the GREATEST ABUSE OF GOVERNMENT POWER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY.


It is clear.


First, Obama's platform was NOT understand to include the CREATION OF A MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WITH MASSIVE NEW TAXES. This is the very definition of overreach.


Second, there is overwhelming opposition among the public for this bill.


Yet, Obama has persisted in pushing this bill through - Against all commentary recommending that he concentrate on the economy and jobs - Against the best judgeement of people all over his own party - Against all counsel of democratic pollsters writing in the Washington Post.

Obama has risked the destruction of the democratic party.


The thing is democrats all over the country are wondering why - why is this happening - and the only answer is this is a giant ego trip on the part of Obama -

HOW MUCH IS OBAMA'S EGO TRIP GOING TO COST YOU ?????

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

drindl


Engle was on no one's list even as an undecided - he was always thought to be a yes.


And Clyborne said he had Bocceiri earlier in the week.

Meanwhile, the hill.com has the NO votes going up from 36 to 37 - one short of the 216 needed to BLOCK OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE BILL.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

shrink2:

We CAN'T afford it.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

We will be able to get back to the sunshine of obama, american soldiers
are dying??? news coverage??? NO!
historic unemployment numbers, coverage??
No!

Over half the students in public schools
in america need taxpayer money to afford
lunch, and yet the news coverage tells you
our youngsters are FAT????

this healthcare joke is not real reform,
and it changes nothing untill obama is history.

but the real issues facing americans,
are being ignored.

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Other important events and issues are not being overlooked as you claim.

And helth care reform is important to all Americans.

Your opinion that this bill is a joke is based on what?

Posted by: sr31 | March 19, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Eliot Engel (D-NY) announced on MSNBC this morning that he will vote for the health care bill.


Rep. John Boccieri (D-OH) switches from no to yes on health care reform.

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

There is no public option in this bill, in the sense that people can not buy their health insurance from a plan operated by the government that competes directly with the private sector.

But there is an enormous expansion of spending on the public health delivery infrastructure. America's hybrid system already integrates public and private spending in myriad ways and this bill will cause much more of both in a more fully integrated delivery architecture.

It will be awfully hard to repeal unless it gets repealed before all that money starts to flow.

Like I said, if we can afford it, it will be like no other health care system in the world. No rationing mechanism and huge subsidies for the middle class. There is so much money involved and I can't see any way for the numbers to stop growing. After all, we aren't getting any younger and that means we aren't going to get less expensive to care for.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

sr31:

Check THE polls on Election Day!

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Whatever some want to believe, here are some facts:

Gallup today:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/126809/Obama-Approval-Rating-Lowest-Yet-Congress-Declines.aspx

PRINCETON, NJ -- President Barack Obama's job approval is the worst of his presidency to date, with 46% of Americans approving and 48% disapproving of the job he is doing as president in the latest Gallup Daily three-day average.
- Congress -- 16% approve and 80% disapprove of the job Congress is doing

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Check the polls after the bill passes.

Posted by: sr31 | March 19, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

http://www.politico.com

Will the House pass health care?

Yes. 45%

Nope. It'll be a few -- or several -- votes short. 47%

I'm not sure. 6%

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Republican Broun said: "If Obamacare passes, that free insurance card that's in people's pockets is going to be as worthless as a Confederate dollar after the war between the states -- the Great War of Yankee Aggression."
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Is this the same guy who refuses to stand for the pledge of Allegiance because he'll only stand for the Confederate flag? Or is that someone else?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 19, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

As Mr. Cillizza noted on the Live Fix chat:

"I think it is because so much of the vote-counting is going on behind closed doors and, hence, not available for public consumption.

Remember that simply because there remain a number of undecideds publicly on the bill doesn't mean all of those ame people are undecided privately. My guess is that there are only a handful of truly undecided members at this point.

I have long believed that the White House simply cannot let this bill fail as it would fundamentally undermine the argument Obama made in 2008 that he could get Washington working again.

That said, there is at least one very smart observer of the House that I speak to regularly who insists it is going to be much harder for Pelosi to get to 216 than people realize.

Either way, C-SPAN on Sunday is going to be must-watch TV."

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Intrade should open up a new contract.

The possibility of an armed revolution that will take over the government of the U.S. by December 31, 2012.

That would give some people on this blog a place to put their money, in addition to just making thinly veiled threats.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 19, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

LOL

"Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) has something of a reputation for saying outrageous things. So it's no surprise he found a pretty good line to deliver now, during the critical final stage of the health care debate.

Speaking on the House floor last night, Broun said:

If Obamacare passes, that free insurance card that's in people's pockets is going to be as worthless as a Confederate dollar after the war between the states -- the Great War of Yankee Aggression."

Remember wavering Dems -- anything clowns and America-haters like this hate must be good for this country.

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Whatever some want to believe, here are some facts:

Gallup today:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/126809/Obama-Approval-Rating-Lowest-Yet-Congress-Declines.aspx

PRINCETON, NJ -- President Barack Obama's job approval is the worst of his presidency to date, with 46% of Americans approving and 48% disapproving of the job he is doing as president in the latest Gallup Daily three-day average.
- Congress -- 16% approve and 80% disapprove of the job Congress is doing

Rasmussen today:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/march_2010/50_less_likely_to_vote_for_congress_member_who_supports_health_care_plan

- Fifty percent (50%) of U.S. voters say they are less likely to vote for their representative in Congress this November if he or she votes for the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats
- 34% are more likely to vote for their Congress member’s reelection if he or she supports the president’s health care plan

Posted by: sally62 | March 19, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

bobbywc:

I have never name-called anyone on this thread, and obviously disagree with you on most issues, but you are completely correct about Obama being feckless.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

jhr1:

It will be repealed (one way or another ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I have stayed away for several days because I just hate the insults and name calling - it demeans everyone.

This is what I know for sure - anything but a public option will increase costs - period - as someone on the extreme left I see this bill as a new form of corporate welfare and worse a form of slavery wherein the American people are tied to corporate American whether they like it or not.

Obama is being held hostage in Washington so that he can sign a bill which holds Americans hostage to corporate America.

On the budget issue Obama can do things - fix the medicare problems. ALlow states more options with medicaid - such as Community Based Clinics managed by the states so that they can reduce costs.

These two simple things will have a big impact on the budget - it will give him credibility in November 2010

If employment continues to get better and the stock market gets better then Dems will have a good message - "hold the course."

I find Obama to be feckless. (a word never used until used by a Survivor contestant and now used by every talking head - sad the talking heads are learning English from a contestant on a reality show)

The Dems need to save the Party from this inept President and pass Medicare and Medicaid reform. Then after that success they can also pass the public option.

The employment bill along with the financial sector bill, along with an improving economy could cause the Repubs to actually loose seats in November - but no the Dems will allow this feckless President to sink the entire country back into the hands of the very people who out of greed and hate for the American people nearly destroyed us.

Posted by: bobbywc | March 19, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

leichtman1:

I am not "advocating violence". Any casual observer on the shore outside Fort Sumter could have told you what was coming.

drindl:

Report away.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

We will be able to get back to the sunshine of obama, american soldiers
are dying??? news coverage??? NO!
historic unemployment numbers, coverage??
No!

Over half the students in public schools
in america need taxpayer money to afford
lunch, and yet the news coverage tells you
our youngsters are FAT????

this healthcare joke is not real reform,
and it changes nothing untill obama is history.

but the real issues facing americans,
are being ignored.

Posted by: simonsays1 | March 19, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse


There is GENERAL AGREEMENT around the country that this health care bill is the GREATEST ABUSE OF GOVERNMENT POWER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 10:55 AM
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This remains untrue, no matter how many time you repeat it. The latest polls hold that 47% of Americans favor the health care reform bill before Congress, while 48% were opposed. That does not constitute anything approaching "general agreement."

Get your facts straight, son. Then come argue.

Posted by: schmuckatelli | March 19, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

who does these counts, Steve? Republicans, who else?

Tremendous Catholic support building for HCR:

"This time, the National Catholic Reporter. While acknowledging imperfections in the bill, the editors of The Reporter urge passage of the health care reform bill in fairly emphatic terms:

The choice Congress faces is between the status quo and change -- and the current bill is a profoundly preferable step in the direction of positive change. The legislation will lower costs, not only for individuals and small businesses currently burdened by rising premiums, but for the Medicare and Medicaid programs, which threaten to strangle the federal budget. It will extend health care coverage to 30 million Americans who currently lack it. Finally, a society that covers most of its citizens will be a society more likely to eventually cover everyone -- our immigrant brothers and sisters included."

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

interesting Jeff Toubin who knows a tad more about constitutional law then you vehemently disagrees. And precisely what law school did you graduate from fauxTexan?

Posted by: leichtman1
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The Republicans strategy can be summarized as:

Delay, Block, Repeal, Revenge

One can summarize posts on this blog in the same fashion.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 19, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Jake D - James, that is -- as an attorney, you should know that your threats of violence to elected officials is in violation of your oath to the Constitution. Perhaps the CA bar would like to hear about it?

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

interesting Jeff Toubin who knows a tad more about constitutional law then you vehemently disagrees. And precisely what law school did you graduate from fauxTexan?

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Mollohan and Rahall are on the fence? I get e-mail updates from Nick Rahall, and I can assure you that he is not on the fence; he supports the bill. Who does these whip counts?

Posted by: SteveFromWV | March 19, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Obama and Michelle's efforts at promoting and replicating effective programs in health (REP); continuing the Presidential Physical Fitness Program and Childrens' anti-obesity campaign will go a long way. It seems minor, but is a large step in battling chronic disease. The struggle is not only partisan, but that of ourselves: our diet and sedentary lifestyle. The Democrats really seem to get the message of Education, Prevention and Intervention. Other than taxing major junk corporations that poison our population, and solicit as though their food were candy, keeping with Diagnostic Reletaed Groups (DRGs), and price schedules is senseable. Premiums could more accurately reflect, moreover, weighted risk indexes and categories.

Posted by: solid3 | March 19, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

'In February 2009, a well-known conservative writer sent me this, about a friend at FOX News:

The guy went on to tell me about Hannity’s “Freedom Concerts,” which are staged across the country with the proceeds going to children of slain soldiers. Of course, as the guy tells it, there’d be a lot more money every concert to go to the cause if Hannity didn’t demand–and get–use of a Gulfstream 5 plane to fly him and his family/entourage to the concerts; a “fleet” (that’s the word the guy used) of either Cadillac or Lincoln SUVs for him and his family/entourage; and several suites at really expensive hotels for him and his family/entourage. The promoter apparently values Hannity’s star demands at well over $200,000 per event. The source says he heard that Oliver North pulled Hannity aside at one of the concerts and told him that this had to stop. But that may mean that, from now on, Hannity has to fly on a G4 instead of a G5, gets only a few luxury SUVs, and two or three suites.

North is the founder and honorary chairman of Freedom Alliance.

I began investigating these claims, and lo and behold, I discovered that Freedom Alliance gives very little money to the children of slain troops to pay for college and even less to wounded troops. The stories of injuries to troops and how much Freedom Alliance gives them–$200 for a soldier from a poor neighborhood who lost three limbs–is heartbreaking. Soldiers with traumatic brain injuries, severe wounds to the face from disfiguring burns and explosions, and multiple amputations got $1,000 or less, with only a handful of exceptions.'

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/6938/sean-hannitys-freedom-concert-scam-only-7-of-charitys-money-went-to-injured-troops-kids-of-fallen-troops-g5s-g6s-for-vannity/

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

'For the last several years, Sean Hannity and the Freedom Alliance “charity” have conducted “Freedom Concerts” across America. They’ve told you that they are raising money to pay for the college tuition of the children of fallen soldiers and to pay severely wounded war vets. And on Friday Night, Hannity will be honored with an award for this “Outstanding Community Service by a Radio Talk Show Host” at Talkers Magazine’s convention.

But it’s all a huge scam.

A bit more from Ms. Schlussel, but go read the entire article. It's worth it. This needs to be widely circulated.

In fact, less than 20%–and in two recent years, less than 7% and 4%, respectively–of the money raised by Freedom Alliance went to these causes, while millions of dollars went to expenses, including consultants and apparently to ferret the Hannity posse of family and friends in high style. And, despite Hannity’s statements to the contrary on his nationally syndicated radio show, few of the children of fallen soldiers got more than $1,000-$2,000, with apparently none getting more than $6,000, while Freedom Alliance appears to have spent tens of thousands of dollars for private planes. Moreover, despite written assurances to donors that all money raised would go directly to scholarships for kids of the fallen heroes and not to expenses, has begun charging expenses of nearly $500,000 to give out just over $800,000 in
scholarships.

Schlussel alleges that Hannity is, in other words, using the wounded American heroes he claims to champion as tools to enrich himself and surround himself in luxury.'

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

jake I strongly urge you not to come to a public venue and advocate violence. I will ask the WP moderator to start deleting your constant calls to violence.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"the TEA Party will eventually repeal it"
say what? the Tea Party now has 67 US Senate votes, on what planet is that?

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse
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This planet after the 2010 and 2012 elections.

And they will repeal "what's left" of this bill after the Supreme Court guts it of all the unconstitutional provisions such as "individual mandate" (violates 4th and 10th amendments plus Commerce Clause).

Just how will your healthcare bill stand without the "individual mandate"? Insurance companies will be forced to accept anybody, but no one will have to purchase health insurance (until they get sick). This will destroy an entire industry.

Meanwhile, unemployment climbs and climbs and climbs.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | March 19, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

this is too funny... there is no one more cynical than hannity.

'The conservative blogger Debbie Schlussel deserves a fair hearing on this one, and respect from the progressive community. It's the rare conservative these days who will follow the actual facts where they lead, and speak the truth even when it is inconvenient to the movement or to his or her self interest.

She has come right out and called Sean Hannity's "Freedom Alliance" and their "Freedom Concerts" a "scam," raising money that is mostly spent on luxury travel and personal perks, with only a small portion going to help the wounded veterans and their families who are the supposed beneficiaries of FA's "Freedom Concerts."

realcountrymusic's diary :: ::
That's right. Let it sink in. Hannity has been busted, by a prominent voice from the right.

Schlussel, a well known conservative blogger and media personality (whose political opinions are often odious and repellent, to be sure) has outed Sean Hannity as a venal fraud (something many of us on the left have always known) who, in effect, steals money from the ignorant suckers who give FA money after falling for Hannity's sentimental pitches about the needs of America's wounded veterans.

Instead, MOST of the money goes to pay for luxury jets and fleets of limousines for Hannity and his entourage, as well as other administrative costs that far exceed the usual ratio of costs to charitable outlays for legitimate charities.

Her allegations have the potential to do real damage to this disingenuous demagogue, and she deserves our gratitude and kudos for her intellectual honesty and her serious effort to report an inconvenient truth that will no doubt cause her to be vilified by her brothers and sisters on the paranoid far right.

Here's what Ms. Schlussel has written on her blog. Read the entire article -- it's full of verified, checked facts that make Hannity and Freedom Alliance out to be, at best, con artists, and at worst, perpetrators of demonstrable, prosecutable fraud."

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

leichtman1:

I don't expect you to do anything.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Lincoln would have nothing to do with the radicals currently calling themselves Rs.
And you know that the TeaParty will control 67 Senate votes how? As usual you just throw garbage out there and expect everyone to buy it.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

37th, it's all a big conspiracy. CBO uses tricks. Investors manipulate intrade. Obama bribing Kucinich. All in an effort to make you look stupid.
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A list of conspiracies according to 37th:

The CBO is conspiring with the President,
Intrade is conspiring with political operatives,
Kucinich is conspiring with the President,
Paid bloggers are conspiring to post lies on this blog,
Bloggers are emailing each other to conspire together,
Bloggers are conspiring with political operatives to post talking points to sway votes,
House Democrats who were always going to vote yes, pretended to vote no, but then said they were going to vote yes [!].

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 19, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

As I have tried to warn the rest of you, if Obamacare passes, there will be blood.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

The tea party will repeal it? a bunch of little girls with imaginary friends? LOL.

good story on the funeral director McConnell.

'In the process, Mr. McConnell, 68, a Kentuckian more at home plotting tactics in the cloakroom than writing legislation in a committee room or exhorting crowds on the campaign trail, has come to embody a kind of oppositional politics that critics say has left voters cynical about Washington, the Senate all but dysfunctional and the Republican Party without a positive agenda or message.'

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/17/us/politics/17mcconnell.html?hp=&pagewanted=all

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

the $500 billion is from Medicare ADVANTAGE; a perk that never should have passed Congress in the first place.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

leichtman1:

I said "eventually". Who knew in 1820 that the REPUBLICAN Party would eventually end slavery in the U.S. (hint: Abe Lincoln was only 11 years old at the time)?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"Yes it is true I am irrestible to women. They line up to take off their clothes for me."

and how much do you pay them?

'But I am taken for many years now."

then i bet your wife would love to know about your 'hobby.'

'Ps- the Fix does not constituTe a life losers.'

That's why we wonder why you are on here all day, every day. Talking to yourself again?

"How empty your life must be dribbl to spend your time searching the Internet for instances of your nemesis. "

Interesting that you say that after you have stalked me for two years, going so far as to search out and post excerpts from my resume dozens of times. You are one saaaad and sick puppy, zouk/moonbat/drivel.

How empty your life must be dribbl to spend your time searching the Internet for instances of your nemesis.

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"the TEA Party will eventually repeal it"
say what? the Tea Party now has 67 US Senate votes, on what planet is that?

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, the RNC pays for their own abortion coverage.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

According to Wilbon the average age of Murray State is greater than the average age of the Cleveland Cavaliers.

That's just mindblowing.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

jh1 I am strongly urging you and the GOP to actively campaign to end Medicare ad Social Scurity. Would you like Michael Steele's email address to get that GOP plan rolling?

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

JoeT1:

But I don't mind that TAX MONEY is being used to subsidize insurance plans that fund abortions.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 19, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

37th:

This will end up being the largest tax increase in American history. Apart from the abortion issue, the TEA Party will eventually repeal it.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse


The AMERICAN PEOPLE do not want another MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WITH MASSIVE, UNCERTAIN COSTS.


We all know that the costs of the health care bill have been vastly underestimated - and those costs will spiral out of control.


Medicare in the 1960s was given cost estimates before passage - 15 years LATER THE COSTS WERE TEN TIMES THE ESTIMATES.


The democrats simply DO NOT CARE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR THIS PROGRAM.


The democrats think they are going to use their temporary majority to JAM THROUGH A PERMANENT PROGRAM WHICH NO ONE WANTS.


This fight will not be over this week.


This bill will be REPEALED - DEMOCRATS WILL BE DRIVEN FROM OFFICE.


Yea, just ask Marjorie Margoles Mevendes - or whatever her name is -


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

JoeT1:

I'm talking about TAX MONEY being used to fund abortions, did you not hear Obama stand up before Congress and say that wouldn't be in his plan??

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

If I'd have been there when they passed I would have spoken against them. And guess what? The country would be in a lot better shape, excepting the VA, since we are obligated to care for the wounded and sick who gave so much for us.

Posted by: jhr1 | March 19, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

JoeT1


Exactly how are they going to give out the subsidies if there is no government program?


How many new government boards are created ?

You can not be serious - Well, your CBO report DOES NOT SAY HOW MANY MORE TAXES ARE GOING TO BE IMPOSED.

AND the dirty little secret - how much of the costs are going to be pushed off on the States???


Obama is opening up MASSIVE DEFICITS IN THE STATES' BUDGETS - YOU ARE BEING FOOLED.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Yes it is true I am irrestible to women. They line up to take off their clothes for me.

But I am taken for many years now.

Ddudd you should try a hobby. It might expand your pea sized mind. You could try to forget your academic failures. Of course the sun would probably melt that Internet skin.

I thought I lied about the wife, the kids, the hobbies, the boat. We can't all be lonely stooge losers all the time like dribbl, Ped, ddudd and Bj.

Ps- the Fix does not constituTe a life losers. How empty your life must be dribbl to spend your time searching the Internet for instances of your nemesis. But we already knew that. Just like it was no surprise that ddudd could not get into a decent grad school. Only an idiot wouldn't know that.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 19, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

yea these same Marxists who insisted on Medicare, the VA and Social Security. You do believe sir that those are marxists programs that you and the GOP would like to end.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

KILL THE BILL before these freeloading nanny-staters ruin the country. These politburo maneuverings are not representative government. Srew the Marxists!

Posted by: jhr1 | March 19, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

children type in all caps and repeat their same posts mutiple times. what are you 5 years old 37th?

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"i suppose all polls are irrelevant when they go against what you think"

Well, CA polls can't really go against what I think, because I don't much think about CA. But... here's one thought from this AM on the subject: the GOP primaries for Senate & Gov in CA are drawing a lot of press, while the unopposed candidates Brown & Boxer aren't. So I suspect polls that show parity in those races between the Dems & whichever GOP opponent is on the ballot reflects the campaigning that repubs are doing & dems are not. If I'm right, when the Dems start actively campaigning against their known opponents, we'll see the numbers change. But, hey, maybe I'm wrong. As I said below, I thought repubs would come to their senses about attracting moderates after getting schooled for two elections (nationally) in a row; so I won't be surprised if I'm wrong again.

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Posted by: bsimon1 | March 19, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

There is GENERAL AGREEMENT around the Fix that repeated comments on this health care bill thread is the GREATEST ABUSE OF COMPUTER POWER IN THE HISTORY OF THE INTERNET.


It is cloudy.

First, 37ths's platform was NOT understand to include the DESTRUCTION OF A MASSIVE BLOG WITH MASSIVE POSTS. This is the very definition of overreach.

Second, there is overwhelming opposition among the public to these posts.

Yet, 37th has persisted in pushing these comments through - Against all comments recommending that he concentrate on getting a job - Against the best judgement of people all over his own block - Against all counsel of Republorat bloggers scribblng on the bathroom walls.


37th has risked the destruction of the internets.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 19, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The AMERICAN PEOPLE do not want another MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WITH MASSIVE, UNCERTAIN COSTS.


We all know that the costs of the health care bill have been vastly underestimated - and those costs will spiral out of control.


Medicare in the 1960s was given cost estimates before passage - 15 years LATER THE COSTS WERE TEN TIMES THE ESTIMATES.


The democrats simply DO NOT CARE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR THIS PROGRAM.


The democrats think they are going to use their temporary majority to JAM THROUGH A PERMANENT PROGRAM WHICH NO ONE WANTS.


This fight will not be over this week.


This bill will be REPEALED - DEMOCRATS WILL BE DRIVEN FROM OFFICE.

Yea, just ask Marjorie Margoles Mevendes - or whatever her name is -


.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

doof nothing illegal about spending $150 million to win(buy) a Gubenatorial or US Senate seat. Ask Senator Huffington or Governor Tony Sanchez of Texas who spent a drop in the bucket $75 million. Californians are savy voters and its unlikely their votes are for sale. Whitman has spent $38 million to $0 for Brown so far, and apparently you presume that will continue through Nov.

37th do you want to inform us about the 3 am 3 hour Medicare Part D vote rammed through by Delay and Hastert in 2003.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

37th and O: there is no government program in the bill at all, let alone a massive one. and the bill saves money in Medicare, which, along with private insurance, is out of control because health care costs are out of control. Medicare just buys health care in the same market that you and I do, from the same hospitals and doctors. It actually pays less, so it's getting a good deal. if the bill fails, Medicare and private insurance will collapse altogether.

the cost control measures in the bill are being ignored. did you know that hospitals operate on negligible profit margins, but many imaging centers have 30-30% operating margins? that's because docs who own them order the tests. duh? the bill cuts reimbursement for that. stuff like that will help.

Posted by: JoeT1 | March 19, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

There is GENERAL AGREEMENT around the country that this health care bill is the GREATEST ABUSE OF GOVERNMENT POWER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY.


It is clear.


First, Obama's platform was NOT understand to include the CREATION OF A MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WITH MASSIVE NEW TAXES. This is the very definition of overreach.

Second, there is overwhelming opposition among the public for this bill.

Yet, Obama has persisted in pushing this bill through - Against all commentary recommending that he concentrate on the economy and jobs - Against the best judgeement of people all over his own party - Against all counsel of democratic pollsters writing in the Washington Post.


Obama has risked the destruction of the democratic party.

The thing is democrats all over the country are wondering why - why is this happening - and the only answer is this is a giant ego trip on the part of Obama -


HOW MUCH IS OBAMA'S EGO TRIP GOING TO COST YOU ?????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

There is no threshold for 100% accuracy on intrade - I gave you a few examples last night which you apparently conveniently ignore.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 10:33 AM

love intrade myself. what do you mean by 100% accuracy? intrade seems very accurate for predictions when share prices are high. that's why it's puzzling with health care bill. intrade doesn't seem right this time. intrade at 77 now.

Posted by: doof | March 19, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

zouk you horndog!
The ladies man,
who knew?

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

JakeD2: what on earth are you talking about? The Stupak language is indistinguishable from the Nelson language, and the latter is in some respects tighter. And each would restrict federal funding more than if the bill fails, so what's the problem? Short of making it a crime to buy insurance that covers abortion, what would make you folks happy? And since that's not a crime now, what does this have to do with health reform? You can't oppose every bill that doesn't outlaw abortion just because it's an opportunity to try.

Posted by: JoeT1 | March 19, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

DDAWD


Answer the question, instead of resorting to name-calling

Besides your intrade is down to 78.5 - so "quite some time"

How many seats in Congress do the democrats have to lose for you to realize how WRONG you are ?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Uh, oh.
That Hoya tank job must really hurt.
Meanwhile, my Huskies found the basket,
just in time.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

The AMERICAN PEOPLE do not want another MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WITH MASSIVE, UNCERTAIN COSTS.


We all know that the costs of the health care bill have been vastly underestimated - and those costs will spiral out of control.

Medicare in the 1960s was given cost estimates before passage - 15 years LATER THE COSTS WERE TEN TIMES THE ESTIMATES.

The democrats simply DO NOT CARE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR THIS PROGRAM.

The democrats think they are going to use their temporary majority to JAM THROUGH A PERMANENT PROGRAM WHICH NO ONE WANTS.

This fight will not be over this week.

This bill will be REPEALED - DEMOCRATS WILL BE DRIVEN FROM OFFICE.


Yea, just ask Marjorie Margoles Mevendes - or whatever her name is -

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"Hey DDAWD - are you going to disclose how much they are paying you to write these lies onto the website of the Washington Post ???"

See? Stupid people can't defend their arguments. Stupid people post stuff like this.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I like how zook seems to think calling someone a "she" is an insult.

You would think someone like him wouldn't have to troll for modeling webpages.

Chris made a mistake.

This should be item #1

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:zWxTZmtKTg0J:www.modelmayhem.com/742172+%22I+am+new+to+professional+photography+but+am+willing+to+learn%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

teeheeheehee

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I guess the PAID TROLLS are out in force now -

Hey DDAWD - are you going to disclose how much they are paying you to write these lies onto the website of the Washington Post ???

Bondosan - why don't you stick to the substance of discussion - instead of bothering other posters ????

You might not like repeated posts - but what do you call it when your group POSTS REPEATEDLY ????


JUST BECAUSE YOU PRETEND TO HAVE MULTIPLE NAMES FOR ONE POINT OF VIEW - YOU THINK THAT MAKES IT OK ???


Take your tomfoolery and get lost.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Still no response from you the effect of Whitman spending $38 million to Brown's $0 on media

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 10:30 AM

wasn't ignoring it. whitman was unknown in california. everybody already knows brown. takes a lot of money here to get known. ads are expensive. heard her spots on the radio non-stop every day for months. it worked. must have cost her many millions but it's not illegal. money is big part of politics, like it or not.

Posted by: doof | March 19, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"DDAWD


There is no threshold for 100% accuracy on intrade - I gave you a few examples last night which you apparently conveniently ignore."

No you didn't. You made up some Democratic primary. That's not a contract. A contract must have a discrete success or fail. "Texas Democratic primary" doesn't have a discrete succeed or fail. You made it up. You're a liar and you're stupid for thinking people would believe your lie.

So in short, you're a stupid liar. Remember what I told you about saying stupid things? I told you to stop being stupid. Yet you continue to say stupid things. You make up contracts, you don't provide a rationale for why someone would want to waste money in manipulating the market. In fact, I told you not to do something stupid like comparing it to tv ads. But then you go and do something stupid like comparing it to tv ads. Why? Because you're stupid.

Notice a theme emerging? I doubt it, since you're too stupid to see it.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

DDAWD: bargain in good faith? Republicans announced that their strategy was to defeat whatever Obama proposed on health care in order to cripple him. No matter what he proposed. And then proceeded to pursue that strategy. 80% of the bill is acceptable to, or authored by, republicans, but they voted against it anyway.

and, just by the way, their isn't anything to negotiate over. Republicans haven't proposed anything but tort reform and cross state insurance sales, both of which are nice, but trivial, and the latter is probably going to happen anyway, and the former is already in the bill as a pilot.

Posted by: JoeT1 | March 19, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Ddudd is eager to prove she is still the stupidest blogger here. As if there was ever any doubt.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 19, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

37:

I read your post down below but I've forgotten it.

Could you post it again?

In fact, why don't you post it again and again all day long?

That way, if I stop back here later, I won't have to do too much scrolling to find it.

(And you don't really have anything else to do today, do you?)

Posted by: Bondosan | March 19, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

When one realizes a terrible loss is at hand, the grieving process involves oscillations between denial and rage, we are seeing excellent clinical examples these days.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

DDAWD


Your definition of "quite some time now" is since 11:00 last night.


You are a complete fool.

You should be banned from the internet - and your mother should wash your mouth out with soap.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

DDAWD


There is no threshold for 100% accuracy on intrade - I gave you a few examples last night which you apparently conveniently ignore.

People like you who get on here and lie repeatedly are silly.

And when there are interest groups on intrade ARTIFICIALLY PUSHING UP THE PRICE, then the 80 really is not legitimate, is it ???

But there you go, repeating your lies again and again and again.

You are a fool, trying to fool people. You look like a complete idiot.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Point being: today's polls are irrelevant in predicting November results.

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 19, 2010 10:28 AM

i suppose all polls are irrelevant when they go against what you think

Posted by: doof | March 19, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Any Democrats who are wavering should now acknowledge that anything that Republicans have gone this INSANE about must be very, very good for the Democrats.

Anything Rs oppose this much -- especially the far rightwingers like our enemy, Glen Beck -- we should embrace like crazy, because if they hate it this much, it must be very good for Americans.

We can't let those who hate America, like the tea baggers, influence policy.

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

My gosh, this bill is huge.
If I keep reading it, I might go crackers!

It affects every aspect of the way health care is planned and delivered. But still, it is not reform. As we've previously agreed, it will cause a massive expansion of all that is good about US health care and it will fix most of the major problems in our system.

It we can afford it, surely the biggest of all ifs, we'll have the finest system in the world. This bill is a cornucopia of services and good ideas.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I spen a lot of time in Carlsbad and have worked on Boxer's previous campaign and each and every time we hear the same claptrap. Still no response from you the effect of Whitman spending $38 million to Brown's $0 on media

incidentally Delay kept Medicare part D vote open 3 hours and threatened to primary challenge to switch a no vote to yes.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Any Democrats who are wavering should now acknowledge that anything that Republicans have gone this INSANE about must be very, very good for the Democrats.

Anything Rs oppose this much -- especially the far rightwingers like our enemy, G

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

dawd, i think ole zouky/moonbat [why do you suppose a 'moonbat' turns into a 'drivel' at noon?] was looking for some pix of 'models' in front of DC landmarks -- maybe the Washington monument, hmm?

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

"polls looking good for republicans here in senate race and governor race. no peak that i can see yet."


Keep countin' them chickens. How many eggs ya got?

Point being: today's polls are irrelevant in predicting November results.

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Posted by: bsimon1 | March 19, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

CC's on the Diane Rehm show right now. Juan Williams is on as well.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 19, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

If one looks closely at the hill.com and the firedoglake.com whip counts - it is clear that the No votes stand at 219.

So Obama has to flip at least 4 of those votes - and hold all the other undecideds which are about 20 which is not easy.

One can imagine a good amount of those 20 are looking for a "pass" from leadership to vote no - but might be there at the end. Obviously, everyone wants to maximize their re-election chances and this bill is horrible.

The 30-second attack ads are already starting in the home districts -


One can imagine that the democrats are going to have to re-visit the issues of the Stupak block - because they still seem to hold the key. And if 5 of the 20 undecided democrats decide that they do not want to take the plunge, then the votes are going to be out-of-reach.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

The best part is that apparently the teabaggers think that Graham is TOO LIBERAL!

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

'Throughout the health reform debate, GOP lawmakers have tried desperately to smear health reform with increasingly bizarre and extreme remarks. In an interview on Monday, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) added to the hyperbole, comparing the House Democrats’ efforts to pass healthcare reform legislation to a Japanese kamikaze mission. “Nancy Pelosi, I think, has got them all liquored up on sake and you know, they’re making a suicide run here,” Graham said.

Picking up on Graham’s theme, Glenn Beck today similarly smeared health reform as the attack on Pearl Harbor. On his radio show, Beck intoned that reform “is like Pearl Harbor” because “people will wake up” to the “battle”:

BECK: The second thing is to prepare yourself. This is a battle. Health care is a battle. It’s a battle — it’s not the war. It’s a battle. Because people are — this event is like Pearl Harbor. It will wake people up and they’ll go, “wait, wait, wait. What did they just do?”

Blasting Graham’s remarks, Rep. Mike Honda (D-CA) — a Japanese American who was interned in a prison camp during World War II because of his heritage — said he was “disheartened” that the South Carolina senator “chose racially tinged rhetoric to express his opposition to health care reform.” He added, “there is a way to engage in healthy debate without alienating Asian Americans, who are an important part of this democracy and healthcare reform.”

Disregarding Honda’s plea for a substantive and nonracial health reform debate, Graham explained that his “comments really reflect the fanaticism of the Democratic leadership. I don’t know whether it’s sake or moonshine but no sober person would do this.” “For the senator to add ‘moonshiners’ to an already unsavory sake and suicide statement does a disservice to the underlying issue,” Honda replied in a statement. “I question who has, in fact — to use the senator’s words — lost their political mind.”

Any Democrats who are wavering should now acknowledge that anything that Republicans have gone this INSANE about must be very, very good for the Democrats.

Anything Rs oppose this much -- especially the far rightwingers like our enemy, Glen Beck -- is something we want to embrace and pass overwhelming.

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"I can just hear Nancy and berry:

you're the last vote. Name your price. Anything you want. Amabassador, czar, judge, earmark. Anything.

Libs being libs.

Posted by: Moonbat"

How about some free photography lessons? Kucinich wanted to learn how to photograph cars.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I can just hear Nancy and berry:

you're the last vote. Name your price. Anything you want. Amabassador, czar, judge, earmark. Anything.

Libs being libs.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 19, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"DDAWD


Stop it - if you don't believe they are trying everything right now to push this through, you are really naive"

The question isn't if they are trying. The question is if they will be successful.

Intrade has been at 80 for sometime. That's the threshold for 100% accuracy.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

God bless Rep. Stupak and those trying to prevent federal funding for abortion. We all knew that Obama was lying about this.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 19, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

http://www.lvrj.com/news/grand-jury-issues-subpoenas-in-ensign-probe-88417307.html

"A federal grand jury yesterday subpoenaed documents from the National Republican Senatorial Committee as part of its investigation into what actions Sen. John Ensign (R-NV) undertook to cover up his affair. “The issuance of subpoenas by the U.S. Department of Justice in addition to the Senate Ethics Committee indicates a new phase in the investigations, casting further doubt on the political future of Ensign, who a year ago was a rising GOP star.”

As was Gov. Sanford, paying fines now for all his fraudulent use of taxpayer money... I would bet anyone here that everyone who is now 'a rising GOP star' has a mistress somewhere...

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

DDAWD


Stop it - if you don't believe they are trying everything right now to push this through, you are really naive -


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

As for Boxer every 6 years we hear the same claptrap from her R opponents who she ends up crushing the last 30 days of the election cycle.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 9:59 AM

you must not live in california. true, she has crushed opponents in the past. this time is different. she never had polls this low before. her opponents are no-names yet doing very well. many never heard of fiorina or campbell. fairly certain boxer will be defeated.

Posted by: doof | March 19, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Whoa Nelly!

$88.7 billion in the next ten years for public health care infrastructure development.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I have looked at the Washington Post whip count - but I haven't member-by-member count compared it to the hill.com and firedoglake.com - which indicate that the NO votes are at 214 or 215 so there is little room.

I see what you are seeing now is an planned roll-out of votes which the democrats have had all the time - in an effort to create the impression that there is a break toward yes votes.

Then we have these absolutely ridiculous "announcements" of democrats who not one ever doubted were going to vote yes - and then all of a sudden they are saying they were undecided, but now they are yes - but they are all poor actors.

There is a great deal of deceptions flying around Washington this week.

The Stupak crew is still in there - and it appears that those issues have not been addressed. Somehow the democrats think that some cooked-up CBO numbers are going to save the day - that is silly.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"But what about the people who are forced to put in more than get ?? The democrats never seem to be looking at that side of the equation."

Don't worry. The insurance companies are represented by the Republicans.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

37th, it's all a big conspiracy. CBO uses tricks. Investors manipulate intrade. Obama bribing Kucinich. All in an effort to make you look stupid.

Although it does seem like a redundant effort, doesn't it?

No one is manipulating intrade now. Prices are consistently at 80% I'd say that's pretty solid considering the vote is just two days away.

But why don't you go and sell? Risk 20 to win 80. Not a bad deal for a bill you are sure is going to fail.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

TEAM OBAMA: STOP COVERING UP ONGOING BUSH-ERA ATROCITIES.

Health care reform? FIRST, DO NO HARM.

SECRET HOMELAND-LED PROGRAM SILENTLY ASSAULTS, TORTURES, IMPAIRS, 'SLOW KILLS' AMERICANS WITH NATIONWIDE CELL TOWER MICROWAVE/LASER 'DIRECTED ENERGY' WEAPON SYSTEM: VETERAN JOURNALIST

See: poynter.org/subject.asp?id=2 (click "More Reporting, Writing")

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves

BUCKS COUNTY, PA- BASED MAGLOCLEN FUSION CENTER: "Central command for a Mid-Atlantic States American Gestapo." Where Is the D.O.J./Civil Rights Division Investigation?

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "U.S. SILENTLY TORTURES..." and "GESTAPO USA" ("stories" list).

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 19, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

yea doof spending $38 million to $0 gets you a temporary bump in th Ca polls, whoopie. We know Whitman/Fiorini plan on spending at least $250 million vs maybe $50 million in Ca races but its still doubtful Ca voters will be bought by megabuck advertising, they are not that gullible. As for Boxer every 6 years we hear the same claptrap from her R opponents who she ends up crushing the last 30 days of the election cycle. Ca will not support a failed CEO who almost brough HP to its knees until she was booted out for her incompetent management and HP under Mark Hurd has gone from an $18 stock to a $53 stock. Thank you Carly for leaving HP. Houston and all HP shareholders are most grateful.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

DCarl,

We hate you too.

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

esterday, two House Democrats who voted against the health care bill in November, Rep. Betsy Markey (D-CO) and Rep. Bart Gordon (D-TN), announced that they will vote yes on the new package. Additionally, previous “yes” votes who were wavering, Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) and Rep. Mark Schauer (D-MI), announced that they will vote for the bill.

Posted by: drindl | March 19, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

DDAWD


All I keep hearing about is this reasoning - the democrats think that there are going to be all these people who are getting more out of the health care system than they put in.

well, OK>


But what about the people who are forced to put in more than get ?? The democrats never seem to be looking at that side of the equation.

AND it also seems like there are a great deal more people looking for increased benefits than anyone thinks.

In fact, if the CBO took a survey of all the people expecting increased benefits - then we would have a better picture of costs of this program.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

We should start over with health care reform. I suggest regulations on the use of slugs, prescriptions for spirits, and a teaspoon of Doc Johnson's Magical Elixir twice a day.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 19, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps one day those victories will be viewed as 'peaking too soon'.

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 19, 2010 9:35 AM

i live in california. polls looking good for republicans here in senate race and governor race. no peak that i can see yet.

Posted by: doof | March 19, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Peaked too soon indeed, moreover, I can live without any number of Deeds, Coakleys and Corzines. Republicans are most dangerous when they have the White House and I am sure the feeling is mutual.

Wow, The Bill has almost $39 billion in it for Community Health Centers over the next ten years...a sort of back door public option, nice.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

The CBO report has so many ACCOUNTING TRICKS in it - it makes ENRON look like a snicker's bar.


THE CBO is obliged to report the numbers WITH the accounting tricks.

So the final numbers are a complete joke - they have been cooked more than burned toast.


What is amazing is that the democrats are STILL TONE DEAF.

First - there are more give-aways in the package of "fixes" - they just do not get it - second - they are continuing with "deem and pass" - another PR nightmare for the democrats which they just do not care about.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 19, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"And this is why Republicans should be secretly working for the Healthcare bill Passage.

Republicans could not only defeat the Healthcare bill but could have a double hit by destroying the Obama Presidency at the same time.
This most original of all thesis is base in the possibility that Democrats use the "Slaughter Rule' to pass Healthcare without a vote."

Yes, I agree. Republicans should let this pass. I can see it now.

"Isn't this great? My baby with a congenital heart defect can finally get some insurance!"

"Yeah, but the health care bill was bassed by the SLAUGHTER TRICK!!"

"Oh, really? Well eff that shat!"

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"it was a nice ditch in virginia, new jersey, and massachusetts. don't mind being in those ditches."


Perhaps one day those victories will be viewed as 'peaking too soon'.

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Posted by: bsimon1 | March 19, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

doof posts the same poll driven R line start over i.e. Rs believe we don t need no stinkin HC reform the system; for them 39% rate increases are just dandy. Start over right, it started 70 years ago doof with Truman, perhaps another years for you guys will do the trick. Interesting that in 8 years of R Congressional control we never once saw a R HC bill to insure the 30 million uninsurred; their response trust us, ha.

for all the ney sayers that Pelosi will have the 216 votes I suggest you read this NY Times story which suggest that she is strategically deciding which Ds they should best choose to reach that magic number. In otherwords it is likely not if she will get to 216 by Sun but which Congressional Ds will be chosen to reach that number. This is the story link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/19/health/policy/19memo.html?hp

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 19, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Obama Lying to the American people is nothing new; but Obama is now lying to his own Democratic Party.

And this is why Republicans should be secretly working for the Healthcare bill Passage.

Republicans could not only defeat the Healthcare bill but could have a double hit by destroying the Obama Presidency at the same time.
This most original of all thesis is base in the possibility that Democrats use the "Slaughter Rule' to pass Healthcare without a vote.

How this will allow the Republicans to reverse the bill sooner and ruin The Presidency of Obama at the same time is explained at http://www.robbingamerica.com

The most compelling idea in Politics today.

Posted by: JohnGalt9 | March 19, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

2012 is what matters of course, it is just a little over two and a half years away.

Anyway, The Bill has a lot of good stuff in it. I like the Workforce section, starting on page 1920, a lot.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Hey when Dick frikin' Armey is attacking Tancredo and his own TEA people on race baiting, I mean, their stand on immigration, you know that as a political machine, the Republicans have gone in the ditch.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 9:21 AM

it was a nice ditch in virginia, new jersey, and massachusetts. don't mind being in those ditches.

Posted by: doof | March 19, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Hey when Dick frikin' Armey is attacking Tancredo and his own TEA people on race baiting, I mean, their stand on immigration, you know that as a political machine, the Republicans have gone in the ditch.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

" "Never going to pass. Barry can't let it die. His Waterloo." Is anyone else reminded of predictions of President Giuliani? Keep your finger on the pulse, zoukie! Posted by: bsimon1"

Wellington had his Waterloo, too!

So just who is Wellington in this battle, and just who is the shrimp trying desperately to hold up his pants?

Boehner has his troops out holding off the Prussians who want deem and pass, while Pelosi is extending her flanks left and right. When the last square is left lying on the field, and the last hundred days campaign is over, Wellington's Victory will head off to the White House for Obama's signature.

I'm not aware of a St. Helena anywhere in the 8th district, Ohio. Perhaps John could retire to North bass island, and hope they open a whinery for him to hang out in.

Posted by: ceflynline | March 19, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

"If only the GOP had taken up the task when they held Congress & the WH, we wouldn't be in this mess. They had their chance, and now the other party has control. Deal with it.


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Posted by: bsimon1"

Not to mention that they could have decided to negotiate in good faith.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

still have 47 undecided democrats. many are in republican leaning districts. hard to see how pelosi can convince enough of them to get 216 votes she needs. numbers don't add up. looked at intrade. some small betters buying in at 80. intrade makes it seem likely to pass. not sure it's right this time though.

Posted by: doof | March 19, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

"The bloodbath on the Right, as T-People slaughter RINOs with undisguised glee is going to make a lot of enemies for Rubio et. al. The Republican eleventh commandment was a realpolitik rule developed exactly to prevent such bloodbaths."


I've been expecting that after losing seats in 2006 & 2008, they'd figure out that attracting moderates was important. I guess that lesson hasn't yet been learned. I'm curious to see what happens in Nov if the GOP keeps choosing the more conservative candidate in primaries; will the electorate wake up & pay attention to how extremely reactionary their views are?

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Posted by: bsimon1 | March 19, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

It'll pass.
They are making deals, mainly,
who gets to vote against it.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 19, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

"agree we need health care reform. we don't need the democratic bill. should start over."


If only the GOP had taken up the task when they held Congress & the WH, we wouldn't be in this mess. They had their chance, and now the other party has control. Deal with it.


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Posted by: bsimon1 | March 19, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

"It won't work. To win the primary, Crist has to appear more conservative than Rubio. Posted by: bsimon1"

Worser and worser. The T-People are talking themselves into a sense of entitlement, such that, when HCR passes they are going to take it as a sign from God that they get to take over Congress.

The bloodbath on the Right, as T-People slaughter RINOs with undisguised glee is going to make a lot of enemies for Rubio et. al. The Republican eleventh commandment was a realpolitik rule developed exactly to prevent such bloodbaths. Its repeal isn't exactly a great thing for a party that seems to be trying (white)MANfully to restrict itself to a particularly small chunk of the electorate. RINOs won't actually become extinct, but the party just might.

Posted by: ceflynline | March 19, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

cefty, I don't like for anyone to ruin bracket!

But yeah, I do feel happy for them. I'm not winning the million dollars, so whatever. This has been a great tournament so far

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

"The American people are disgusted with Congress and it is time to replace all of them."

Start campaigning. Though you can't target 2/3 of the Senate this year. But still, 470 of 535 would be a good start.

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Posted by: bsimon1 | March 19, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Paul Krugman has a wonderful article this morning, reminding us all of why we need health care reform...

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 19, 2010 8:26 AM


meyers, agree we need health care reform. we don't need the democratic bill. should start over.

Posted by: doof | March 19, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

agree with you, mark on the free throw shooting for UT. I just caught the end of that game. That's what killed them. Just hitting one of them would have meant Smith could only tie with a two point shot.

But how about that Big East? Three of them were upset with Nova just eking out a win in a 2 v 15 match. I'm not predicting Syracuse be on the bad side of the first ever 1 v 16 upset, but their conference mates sure didn't represent them well.

ACC got one win yesterday in their only game. The other five go at it today.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"Never going to pass. Barry can't let it die. His Waterloo."

Is anyone else reminded of predictions of President Giuliani? Keep your finger on the pulse, zoukie!

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 19, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"Electability isn't always a great issue in a primary fight where voters tend to be motivated by their hearts not their heads but if Crist can use his general election strength as part of a larger narrative that voting for Rubio as the nominee is an unnecessary risk then it might work."


It won't work. To win the primary, Crist has to appear more conservative than Rubio. His only hope is to pile spending on Rubio and get him to be perceived as a bigger RINO than Crist. The motivated voters in the Repub primary are the conservatives, not the moderates. They seem to be more interested in ideological purity than winning elections. As long as they believe Rubio is the real deal, Crist can't win the Repub primary.

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Posted by: bsimon1 | March 19, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

"Boy, do I hate Bobcats. Posted by: DDAWD"

Be kind, because there just isn't all that much to do, down there in the Eastern Ohio hills, but drink beer and lie in wait for Overrated powers like Penn State in football and Georgetown in basketball.

At Athens you are at least an hour's drive from anywhere, and then you are probably still another hour's drive from anywhere worth going.

Even Hocking Hills is an hour away, but well worth the hour to get to a great place to hike and get away from it all, and plot beating Georgetown and its friends.

Go get 'em Bobcats!

Posted by: ceflynline | March 19, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 19, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Get it over with. We have killed this monster several times already. Like freddie it keeps coming back.

The house vote is not the end. There will be months of wheeling and dealing and stealing in the Senate.

Remember when libs took the victory lap when this passed the house last year.

Never going to pass. Barry can't let it die. His Waterloo.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 19, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Paul Krugman has a wonderful article this morning, reminding us all of why we need health care reform:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/19/opinion/19krugman.html

He mentions a Reuters investigation into an insurance company that was so set on eliminating people with unprofitable policies that they simply declared the application fraudulent and rescinded the policies immediately the insured got an expensive diagnosis. Krugman didn't print a link, but here it is, along with a quote about the practice of rescission:

"...state regulators, federal and congressional investigators, and consumer advocates say that in only a tiny percentage of cases of people who have had their health insurance canceled was there a legitimate reason.
A 2007 investigation by a California state regulatory agency, the California Department of Managed Health Care, bore this out. The DMHC randomly selected 90 instances in which Anthem Blue Cross of California, one of WellPoint's largest subsidiaries, canceled the insurance of policy holders after diagnoses with costly or life-threatening illnesses to determine how many were legally justified.
The result: The agency concluded that Anthem Blue Cross lacked legal grounds for canceling policies in every single instance.
"In all 90 files, there was no evidence (that Blue Cross), before rescinding coverage, investigated or established that the applicant's omission/misrepresentation was willful," the DMHC report said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62G2DO20100317

If lying increases profitability, and it is easy to lie, insurance companies will increase their profitablity by lying. This is one of the reasons we need reform.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 19, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Boy, do I hate Bobcats.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 19, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

The "Cornhusker Kickback" has been replaced with numerous other special deals to purchase votes. This is why this bill should be defeated.

The American people are disgusted with Congress and it is time to replace all of them.

Posted by: mwhoke | March 19, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Boy, do I hate Democrats.

Posted by: DCer1 | March 19, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

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