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Assessing the Eric Massa impact (or lack thereof)

1. Former representative Eric Massa's twin appearances on Fox News Channel's "Glenn Beck Show" and CNN's "Larry King Live" Tuesday night made for some of the most watchable political television in recent memory.

But, does the Massa mishegas (not bad, eh?) have any real impact on the current political environment? Yes and no. In the short term, the impact is fairly obvious. For Democrats, Massa's seeming unwillingness to go quietly into that good night means a week filled with distractions as the party attempts to rally behind President Obama's health care plan. For Republicans, the short-term danger is in overplaying their hand on the scandal -- either by casting themselves in a sort-of holier-than-thou pose that has been a recipe for disaster for both parties in recent years on ethics issues, or by embracing (bad word choice) Massa too closely given that there appear to be more revelations to come.

The longer term political impact (if any) of the Massa situation is tougher to gauge. Democrats insist that it will be a fleeting moment with little import to voters this fall. "It will have the lasting impact of an ice cube on the street in D.C. in the middle of summer," said Democratic consultant Chris LeHane. "Outside of a few hundred people in D.C. no one knows Massa, no one cares about Massa and no one will be talking about Massa in a few days."

Republican strategists clearly believe that Massa's fall combined with similar ethics problems for New York Gov. David Paterson and New York Rep. Charlie Rangel have the potential to turn into a major voting issue this fall. The evidence? The Republican National Committee will launch an ad today seeking to cast Democrats, who pledged to drain the swamp of ethics-related problems after taking control of the House in 2006, as hypocrites. "The impact is not so much in the sordid details of Congressman Massa's political self-immolation, but the cumulative impact as part of a recent scandal triumvirate that has disheartened Democrats and more importantly, added a layer of real political panic at the exact moment that Obama tries to close the deal on a health care vote," said Republican lobbyist Alex Vogel.

2. The Florida Republican Senate primary fight continues to grow nastier and nastier by the day. The latest development came Tuesday when the campaigns of Gov. Charlie Crist and former state House speaker Marco Rubio exchanged memos -- and rhetorical body blows -- over the state of the race.

Rubio struck first with a memo from campaign pollster Whit Ayres in which he argued that Crist's slippage in polling presents him with a "significant strategic dilemma" because he is already both well-known and well-defined to primary voters. Faced with that reality, Ayres concludes that the only path for Crist is "running a relentlessly brutal negative campaign" designed to take the bark off of Rubio. (We drew roughly the same conclusion in a post outlining the possibility of Crist running as an independent in the fall.)

Not to be outdone, the Crist forces -- led by spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg -- released a scathing statement hammering Rubio as a "Miami lobbyist-politician." "Add this to the growing list of examples of Speaker Rubio's sense of entitlement," added Henneberg. "The rules never seem to apply to him." (The Crist campaign will be smiling this morning at a St. Petersburg Times story detailing alleged pork-barrel spending by Rubio during his tenure as speaker.)

Why the level of vitriol and engagement so far in advance of the state's August 24 primary? Rubio's team clearly senses an opportunity to drive Crist from the race (or at least out of the Republican primary) and are doing everything they can to push at the national level the narrative that Crist is fading badly. This is a critical moment for Crist; he must show not only that he can stay in the race but that he has a path to victory.

3. A series of polls conducted by a coalition of conservative groups in 11 targeted Democrat-held congressional districts suggests widespread unease about the health care bill being pushed by President Obama.

The polls, which were paid for by StartOver!, a group aimed at urging the Administration to, um, start over on health care, were conducted by Dave Sackett of the Tarrance Group in Arizona's 8th, Colorado's 4th, Indiana's 9th, New Jersey's 3rd, Ohio's 1st, Ohio's 16th, Nevada's 3rd, New York's 13th, New York's 24th, Pennsylvania's 4th and Pennsylvania's 10th.

A majority of voters in ten of the 11 districts opposed Obama health care plan with the opposition strongest in Colorado's 4th, Pennsylvania's 4th and Pennsylvania's 10th (58 percent opposed) and weakest in New York's 13th district (46 percent opposed). The polling also suggested that the coming vote on health care could be critical to each of the members' reelection prospects; in seven of the 11 districts, more than four in ten voters said that how their member voted would be "extremely important" in determining their vote this fall.

The polling by StartOver! is a piece of a larger effort by conservative groups to amp up the pressure on House (and Senate) Democrats before the coming vote. American Future Fund, America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) and Employers for a Healthy Economy are all funding television ads in advance of the vote.

4. Illinois state Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias, the party's nominee for the state's open Senate seat, visited the White House Tuesday and picked up a somewhat tepid endorsement from press secretary Robert Gibbs. "Alexi Giannoulias is the Democratic nominee for the United States Senate and has the support and the backing of the White House," Gibbs said from the podium.

Giannoulias, a personal friend and basketball buddy of President Obama, met with senior adviser David Axelrod and political director Patrick Gaspard, according to White House aides familiar with his schedule. "My meetings at the White House have been very productive, and the support of the President is a great asset in a state where 64 percent of voters approve of the job he is doing," Giannoulias said Tuesday.

Giannoulias' trip comes amid a very difficult period for his campaign as he seeks -- with limited success -- to explain his involvement in his family's failing bank. Giannoulias sat down with the Chicago Tribune editorial board in hopes of putting the issue behind him but even Democratic strategists acknowledged that things had not gone as planned. Republicans, as a result, are growing increasingly confident about Rep. Mark Kirk's (R) chances of winning the seat being vacated by appointed Sen. Roland Burris. Sensing opportunity, the National Republican Senatorial Committee has hired Liesl Hickey, a former chief of staff to Kirk, to serve as a consultant to the organization on the Illinois race as well as a few others.

5. A Republican poll of potential 2012 Iowa GOP caucus-goers shows former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee at 17 percent to 14 percent for former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney and 11 percent for former Alaska governor Sarah Palin. No other candidate was in double digits or even close. (Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty took one percent.)

The poll, a telephone survey conducted by a company known as Right Way Marketing for the launch of the rightosphere.com blog, should be taken cum grano salis as, conducted this far from 2012, it is measuring name identification rather than actual support. And, several potential candidates -- like former House speaker Newt Gingrich -- were not included in the survey. Still, for political junkies like us, the iterations of what the field might look like and what that would do to various candidates' support level is irresistible.

Without Huckabee in the race, Romney takes 28 percent to 20 percent for Palin and Pawlenty at four percent. Without Palin, Huckabee (29 percent) and Romney (28 percent) are in a statistical dead heat. Those data affirm the conventional wisdom that Palin and Huckabee are fighting for the same bloc of social conservative voters -- a significant bloc in a Iowa Republican primary fight -- while Romney has a separate vein of support. What the poll doesn't tell us is how Pawlenty's eventual rise -- he will target the state heavily -- and the potential/likely candidacy of neighboring Sen. John Thune (S.D.) will impact the race in Iowa in 2012.

By Chris Cillizza  |  March 10, 2010; 5:50 AM ET
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Updated 1:32 p.m.

By Ben Pershing

House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) introduced a bill Thursday calling for the House ethics committee to restart its probe of ex-Representative Eric Massa (D-N.Y.), as Republicans seek to focus attention on what Democratic leaders knew about Massa's behavior and when they knew it.

Rather than approve the measure outright, the House voted, 402 to 1, to refer the bill to the ethics committee. Rep. Chaka Fattah (D-Pa.) was the lone "no" vote, and 15 lawmakers -- many of them members of the ethics panel -- voted "present."

Though technically the panel is now under no obligation to act, it is likely the committee will follow the instructions laid out in Boehner's resolution.

The bill directs the ethics committee "to investigate fully ... which House Democratic leaders and members of their respective staffs had knowledge prior to March 3, 2010 of the aforementioned allegations concerning Mr. Massa, and what actions each leader and staffer having any such knowledge took after learning of the allegations." The measure orders the panel to report its findings by June 30.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi knew about Massa in October!!!

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

37th&OStreet is VERY WELL KNOWN for using multiple posts - and multiple carriage returns in its posts.


So, instead of questioning other posters on the possibility of rationality, 37th&O gives the terrorists a typewriter.


We have to wait 5 weeks for any SIGNS OF intelligence. [Well, much longer, but 5 weeks is a good starter.]


THAT IS PUTTING THE EYES OF WASHINGTON POST READERS AT RISK UNNECESSARILY.


37th&O SHOULD DESIGN IMMEDIATELY FOR JUST THAT.


This is not an bleachable offense ??? Yes it is.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 10, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by the Brick Wall: "However, you are demanding that the country spend billions, and even trillions of dollars on a massive government program - many people do not agree."

Also posted by the Brick Wall: "Mitch McConnell and John McCain both have said that they will agree to 80% of the health care plan."

So, I'm left to conclude that 80% of billions and even trillions is OK. So much for fiscal conservatism.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 10, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Having no idea what "mishegas" meant I was forced to scurry to Google. Now I'm contentedly imagining Massa lamenting "I braved Beck and all I got was bupkes?!"

Posted by: douglaslbarber | March 10, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

A "massive government program" may engender eye-rolling among Reaganite types, but it works just fine in plenty of other countries, more advanced countries with mature economies. We still operate under a 19th century conservative fantasy so it's no surprise we pay more than twice as much for HC as anyone else and get such shoddy care. Yet still the GOP wants to bet on "the marketplace," which means more people die who needn't, more people are ruined who shouldn't be, and insurance executives become obscenely wealthy profiting on the deaths of denied coverage.

It's obscene.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 10, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

SamanthaAdams


Nice name, but the senate-Obama plan is just the WRONG way to go -


Sorry, a massive government program is not the answer.

A majority of America agrees with me.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

SamanthaAdams

I doubt you understand what is in the 2400 page bill


How much new taxes do you have to pay ????

What is the new spending ??

Do you have any idea how everything is going to be paid for ???

You are trying to find fault with other people - but you can take your massive taxes and your massive government program and go shove it.

NO ONE WANTS IT.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

SamanthaAdams


NO I'm serious Call Mitch McConnell and John McCain's offices and ask them which 80% of the health care bill they support.

I gave you an idea of what I think such a compromise would look like - which I have posted here before.

There are ways to regulate the health insurance companies - to curb the worst abuses - but without the taxation and without the massive government spending.

And without the abortion changes.


Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

SamanthaAdams


If the democrats want a health care bill so badly, WHY did they put in language which changes the federal law on abortion.


THEN they insist that they didn't do that.


So what is your solution to that ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

SamanthaAdams


Why is it so hard for you to understand that there are people in this country - a majority - who believe the government spends too much money - and they do not want their taxes raised.

But here you are, demanding that the government spend more money.


In fact, you are demanding our ideas on spending more money - OUR IDEA IS SPEND NO MORE MONEY.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse


Samantha


My answer is at 4:31


However, you are demanding that the country spend billions, and even trillions of dollars on a massive government program - many people do not agree.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Anyone?

Bueller ? ? ?

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 10, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

look...

I'm not trying to "win an argument" here. I am looking for an open debate of ideas.

1st, do we agree that we have a problem in the health care system?

I'm not sure we even agree on that.

Even if the Repubs don't care about the tens of millions of poor and working class AMERICANS who have no coverage, would the Repubs, at least, agree that the RISING COST of health care is crippling our small business sector?

2nd, if we agree that something needs to be done -- what SPECIFICALLY do the Repubs propose?

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 10, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I am registered INDEPENDENT not Republican.

==

registered: affiliated with a political party

independent: not affiliated with a political party

you are a registered imbecile

Posted by: Noacoler | March 10, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

37,

This is your answer at 4:31...

"Mitch McConnell and John McCain both have said that they will agree to 80% of the health care plan. I would imagine that would be concentrating on regulating the health care industry - fixing the worst abuses. That would mean no massive taxes, and no new massive government spending program. Call them and find out which 80% they are willing to support."

So, your answer is that I should call McCain and McConnel?

You "imagine" that the Repubs want more regulation? You're not sure? You imagine this to be the case?

You see, the reason I am trying to get you to be specific is that I believe that the Repubs do not want to change anything about the current system. They like it just the way it is... and so do, of course, the large insurance companies who are making record profits while, literally, tens of millions of Americans have no coverage. Many, many Americans are dying because of our current system.

Do you, 37, like the health care system just as it is?

Is your health care very good and would like to change nothing about our system?

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 10, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Geopolitics101:

I am registered INDEPENDENT not Republican.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Forgot to mention.... I ♡ COFFEE !

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | March 10, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

so, 37, it appears to me that you cannot answer my two simple questions.

You defer to McCain and McConnel.

Very simple questions.

Why was nothing done about the health care crisis from 2000-2008?

and

what would the Repubs do to fix our broken system?

You cannot give a STRAIGHT answer those two simple questions?

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 10, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse


Samantha


My answer is at 4:31


However, you are demanding that the country spend billions, and even trillions of dollars on a massive government program - many people do not agree.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

What the hell happened to this board? There was a time when the comments -- even if you disagreed with them -- were insightful and thoughtful.

Now it is just sniping. Personal and ugly.

Stop.

Get back to the "debate" and take the personal attacks elsewhere.

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 10, 2010 3:51 PM
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they threw off a couple of witty Democrats and elevated Jake as the repuglican marshall. This is a repuglican safe harbor now. I use to be a regular as well but like Fox T.V. it is NOT fair and balanced. The WaPo needs a place for democrats to go in order not to get gang banged by the resident troll. Notice how they all gush when Cilizza catches us up on his family. When Cillizza appears on PBS I along with others flood them with emails noting the bias. I guess he can't help being from Texas.

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | March 10, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

37... that is your answer?

You call THAT meanigful debate?

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 10, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

SamanthaAdams


Mitch McConnell and John McCain both have said that they will agree to 80% of the health care plan.


I would imagine that would be concentrating on regulating the health care industry - fixing the worst abuses.

That would mean no massive taxes, and no new massive government spending program.

Call them and find out which 80% they are willing to support.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

SamanthaAdams


I'd like to buy all the marshmellows in the world - how about you help

What are you going do about it?


1) What are you going to do about the marshmellow situation ??

2) AND why haven't the democrats done anything about the marshmellows before this ??

GGEessssssssh.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

37, if the answer is that the Repubs plan to do nothing about the health care crisis, then just say it.

That would, of course, answer my 2nd question of why did they not do anything about it from 2000-2008.

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 10, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama should resign immediately


If he does push the health care bill through, he will be creating an issue for the Republicans this fall.


AND he will have the public so angry with him and the democrats that this fall's elections will be a major disaster.

And for what?

The Republicans are just going to repeal the bill. The democrats are going through all this for a bill that will either fail, get de-funded, or be repealed. What good is that ???


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

so you are saying what the are "not" going to do...

the question was -- and is -- what are the GOING to do?

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 10, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

SamanthaAdams


They are not going to create a massive government program which cost $950,000,000,000.00 - and that is WITH the accounting tricks.

The real cost is closer to $3,300,000,000,000.00


How are you going to pay for that ???


Seriously, you think there is money out there, ready to spend on whatever you dream up?

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

GJonahJameson


Go stuff it with your CONDESCENDING attitude.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

37. Two Questions for you:

1) what would the Repubs do to fix our broken (costs escalating insanely & 45,000,000 + Americans uninsured) health care system

2) why did they not do anything about it from 2000 -- 2008

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 10, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

noacoler


NO ONE cares - please leave - and dont go back on the internet - we all hope you end up hanging upside down in a pit with wild rats eating your flesh.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Nonsense, SamanthaAdams. You can still find insightful conversation here. You just have to get to the topics early, before they get derailed by our resident trolls and-or ideologues. Unless they deal with presidential politics or are linked from Drudge, most posts have a short grace period during which you can expect only a limited few off-topic insult eruptions. And after that grace period ends, it's not too hard to get accustomed to the usernames of posters who add nothing to the conversation and happily skip past them.

If you're not especially enthusiastic about memorizing the screennames of those who add nothing, a somewhat less effective way of avoiding the pointless ranting and flame wars is to ignore the posts with lots of capital letters or no capital letters at all. It's not perfect, but it'll help.

Side note: shrink2, I learn something new and interesting about the political mind of the average person every day from your posts. And I say that with no sarcasm whatsoever.

Posted by: GJonahJameson | March 10, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

OK SamanthaAdams what do you want to talk about ?

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

My new house is over 4000 square feet and luxurious, would have cost over a million to build here. Thanks for your concern, imbecile.

Vietnamese coffe is Parisian and delicious.

As for well-wishes, I hope someone takes you apart with an axe.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 10, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Al Queda is VERY WELL KNOWN for using multiple bomb plots - and multiple planes in its attacks.


So, instead of questioning the Detroit bomber on the possibility of additional bombs, Obama gives the terrorists a lawyer.


We have to wait 5 weeks for any intelligence.


THAT IS PUTTING THE LIVES OF AMERICANS AT RISK UNNECESSARILY.


Obama SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY FOR JUST THAT.


This is not an impeachable offense ??? Yes it is.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

We can't wait.

Please tell us, so we can mark our calendars.

---

Now that 37th admits to being more than one posters, how many is we? Or perhaps it's simply the use of the Royal We.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 10, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

OK SamanthaAdams what do you want to talk about ?


Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler


No - please leave the country and stay off the internet - we all hope you end up in a horrible hut hanging upside-down screamming that you wish you were back at Starbucks in Seattle.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

What the hell happened to this board? There was a time when the comments -- even if you disagreed with them -- were insightful and thoughtful.

Now it is just sniping. Personal and ugly.

Stop.

Get back to the "debate" and take the personal attacks elsewhere.

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 10, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

37th:

I can't wait either.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Al Queda is VERY WELL KNOWN for using multiple bomb plots - and multiple planes in its attacks.


So, instead of questioning the Detroit bomber on the possibility of additional bombs, Obama gives the terrorists a lawyer.


We have to wait 5 weeks for any intelligence.


THAT IS PUTTING THE LIVES OF AMERICANS AT RISK UNNECESSARILY.


Obama SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY FOR JUST THAT.


This is not an impeachable offense ??? Yes it is.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Who is "we," PissJug? You and The Voices? I don't recall anyone electing you to speak fir them.

My departure will be a two-day blip in posting. Connectivity in VN is as good as here and there are far more hotspots than here. That's because its economy isn't based on that inefficient wastefulness you goons call competition.

Go dump you jug.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 10, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler


You said you were leaving the country


WHEN is this going to happen?

We can't wait.

Please tell us, so we can mark our calendars.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

You have a hospitality toward other tasters which is not eerie.

You need treats.

You need to practice intolerance towards views with which you agree.

==

as if flooding the blog with repeated triple-spaced off-topic posts around the clock isn't harassment.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 10, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler


Can you stop whining about racism ???


Seriously man


You have been banned so many times - will you please leave.

And stop bothering other posters.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Could anyone possibly be more of an idiot than JakeD with his childish whine about Obama's birthplace? Talk about being unable to cope! A racist's worst nightmare come true: the President is black.

And he keeps it up day after day, he got himself banned for it, and won't stop making a fool of himself with it. That isn't politics, it's paralysis.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 10, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

shrink2 is flirting with me now.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

shrink2

You have a hospitality toward other tasters which is not eerie.

You need treats.

You need to practice intolerance towards views with which you agree.

THAT IS ALL.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 10, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

You have a soft spot for Governor Moonbeam.
I think that is cute.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

shrink2


You have a hostility toward other posters which is not healthy.

You need treatment.

You need to practice tolerance towards views which you may not agree.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Another example of bipartisan agreement.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Laura is not a psychiatrist.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Gotta demure. Speculating about the psychopathology of an actual person without direct access to them and their records is unethical. Joking about people using psychobabble is not unethical, of course.

One political example, an otherwise quite distinguished psychiatrist Jerry Post took a lot of heat for going on TV and telling Americans all about what was wrong with Saddam in the marketing of the Iraq war. And I have contempt for all of the people who do radio advice shows, they have no idea to whom they are talking and what effect their statements/advice might have.

Refractory means highly resistant to treatment in a way that is complicated/poorly understood (not just that the treatment itself is wrong or that there was not enough of it).

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Al Queda is VERY WELL KNOWN for using multiple bomb plots - and multiple planes in its attacks.


So, instead of questioning the Detroit bomber on the possibility of additional bombs, Obama gives the terrorists a lawyer.


We have to wait 5 weeks for any intelligence.


THAT IS PUTTING THE LIVES OF AMERICANS AT RISK UNNECESSARILY.


Obama SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY FOR JUST THAT.


This is not an impeachable offense ??? Yes it is.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD

No other President has spent long stretches of his childhood outside of the United States -


Also, there is a legitimate question out there.

Did Obama ever hold an Indonesian Passport ??? That is a legitimate question - and it deserves an answer.

To cast such questions as racist simply does not answer the question - instead it fuels the controversy and implies that something is being hidden.

Are you hiding something ???

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Back on topic then: "What did Pelosi know about Massa, and when did she know it?"

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

@shrink2,

Taking the present case of Obama as Kenyan, do you think the believers on this blog are of the easily duped variety or the psychotic type? That is probably phrased too harshly, so please feel free to change the question to one you can answer.

What does refractory mean?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 10, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

They keep bringing up Obama's maternal grandmother's statement as though that was the smoking gun. If it had been, the right wing press would have run with it. They didn't and neither did any other news organization.

The fact that this story was checked, double-checked and triple-checked indicates to me that she was not credible probably because of the vagaries of old age. But, no amount of logic or reason is going to satisfy you people. As I said before, anyone of you can file your own FOIA request for the information. The press included in their coverage the fact that Hawaii like most states now has computerized record on births and they have certified that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii. Just go through the FOIA procedures if you want proof. But you really don't want proof do you?

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 10, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

There's no elaborate "conspiracy" needed (really only his mother).

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

The Massa story is over. In two days, it won't be in the press, and he'll just slip into a footnote of history.

Even on this blog, the last Massa post was 3 hours ago. For the last 3 hours, we slipped into BizarroLand resurrecting the "Obama could be an African fantasy" instead of discussing Massa. When we go to Obama-as-Kenyan, I know we are bored.

Goodbye and good riddance to Mr. Massa.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 10, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The really funny thing is that it never occurs to these bumpkins that for this birther conspiracy to hold, literally thousands of government employees would have to be in on it--the people in charge of birth records, the electoral officials who certify candidates for office, not to mention the Kenyan government who would obviously have its own record if Obama had been born there.

But, for crazy people, none of that matters. When you passionately want to believe something about someone you hate, nothing will get in the way of that hate, not facts, evidence, or any amount of logic or reason. Anyone with even the seedlings of reason in their mind could see that if there were the slightest possibility of this being true, Obama's enemies would already have dug out the evidence.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 10, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

12bar

Many conspiracy people are simply ignorant and credulous. Lacking both a broad fund of knowledge (uneducated) and critical thinking skills, they are easily duped.

But the ones who spin their own elaborate theories are generally either psychotic, autistic or both. They may have high IQs, they may have a lot of knowledge, facts, figures and etc. and they can be very good at critical thinking. But all of that gets plowed into the delusional system, the autistic preoccupations.

We have a guy now who is certain his identity has been stolen by the government to be used for nefarious purposes, so he will no longer respond to his name, his relatives etc. Confusing people with facts when their minds are made up only makes them angry, perhaps the source of a lot of the otherwise inexplicable rage on this board.

But counseling is only for people who have a problem they are reporting (ego-dystonic), as in, "Doc, can you help me, I am always creating crack pot conspiracy theories." This not a complaint we hear very often.

Ego-syntonic delusional constructs, wherein the person lives comfortably within the system they have created unless reality intrudes are refractory, if not untreatable, at least on a voluntary basis. And involuntary treatment is at least as much about keeping other people safe as it is about trying to help the person with the issues.

We don't operate "re-education camps" at least, I don't think we do. Scrivener on the other hand, sees the whole country as a re-education camp.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

If anyone else can explain how Obama's own maternal grandmother's statement isn't "evidence" at all, please let me know.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I can see why so many of you put these harpies on ignore. It is quite pointless in arguing with them. It is almost as bad as arguing with a republican. Except the scary thing is that republicans actually seem to believe what they are saying whereas tea party bumpkins know they are lying like psychopaths.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 10, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"i'm still waiting for a cut and paste answer from you. after you decide what sex you are today, post it. show us how smart a she-male is or pretends to be."


come on doof -- tell us what you like to dress up in. anybody that fixates on a topic, that talks about it everyday like you do about transexuals, and drivel does about pedophiles, well -- there's only one reason. you are one.

c'mon -- tell us what you wear. all the wingers are kinky.that's all you can think about it.

Posted by: drindl | March 10, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Holy crap, you people still exist?

Posted by: VTDuffman

Yeah and its a good thing,
they pay my bills and they
are going to pay my kids college tuition to boot.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2010 1:34 PM
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Sincere question: How do you counsel people who are obsessed with the conspiracies? Does it make any difference if the conspiracy is politically based (Obama is really an African) or, like, I'm being bugged by AT&T?

Are people who believe in 1 type of conspiracy more likely to believe in others?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 10, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Holy crap, you people still exist?

Posted by: VTDuffman

Yeah and its a good thing,
they pay my bills and they
are going to pay my kids college tuition to boot.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

bobbywc wrote: Someone needs to do a real poll which asked are you opposed because you are opposed to reform or opposed because it does not include a public option.
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I just checked the internals of the last 5 polls on HCR (on RealClearPolitics), and one of the polls does ask the question. Around 17 points of the opposition of 47% is because the bill does not "go far enough". Not precisely your question, but close.

Therefore the conservative opposition is about 30%.

A few months ago, I did the same check of latest 5 polls and found a couple of polls who asked *why the opposed were opposed*. The result then was about 15 points of the opposition.

I believe that when the HCR is passed, the polls will go up as the liberal opposition reconciles itself to the new law. What do you think, being one of those liberal opposed?

link to the poll: http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=9359 (scroll down to page 3 of the poll)

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 10, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

That's right, jaxas (and VTDuffman now) please stop posting to me just as soon as I ask how Obama's own maternal grandmother's statement isn't "evidence" at all; just keep repeating to yourselves that I am the one "ignoring" evidence.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey the Birthers already produced Obama's Kenyan birth certificate. In fact, they produced several, even one from Australia :)

Posted by: leftcoaster | March 10, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Also, jaxas, we don't talk to jaked. I think it's pretty obvious why.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 10, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

jaxas (and VTDuffman now):

The evidence I am speaking of includes his own maternal grandmother's statement as to where he was born. She said KENYA. Why isn't that "evidence" at all?

As for Ronald Reagan's birth certificate, that was never raised as an issue before or during his Presidency, but you are free to demand whatever you'd like. Did Reagan's maternal grandmother state that Ronnie was born outside of the U.S. too?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"37th an0street, what other President has ever been asked to produce his birth certificate? And you know as well as I do that the President has no authority to direct a state agency to violate its own right to privacy rules."

They all have. It's only the black ones that get asked to produce fictional "long form" nonsense.

Shutter Island - great movie.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 10, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"There is evidence that he was born in what is now Kenya"

No there isn't.

Holy crap, you people still exist?

Posted by: VTDuffman | March 10, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

One final word on this imbecilic notion that Obama was not a naturalized citizen. How many of you out there have ever seen Ronald Reagan's birth certificate. I now and here demand that the Reagan family produce his birth certificate. I don't know that he was born in the US. I have heard that he was. The media tell me he was. I am reasonably certain that his family will tell me he was. The people who keep such records would probably tell me if I was concerned that I should file a FOIA request. Isn't it odd that so far no one has bothered to file a FOIA request for Obama's records? If you numbnuts are so convinced, why won't you undetrtake that simple action? Could it be that you really don't want to know the truth? That you just want to keep such idiotic questions alive in your squalid, unpatriotic quest to smear and delegitimize this President?

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 10, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Jaked, if I thought there was a shred of evidence that such a thing were true then yes, I would. But be rational for a second. The birthers know that the Kenya story is fabricated. The evidence you speak of isn't evidence at all and once journalist--even the worst kind of Obama hating journalists--dug into it they quickly found out it was bogus.

Don't you think that if there was even a whiff of a scintilla of a hint of a whisper that it was legit that Fox News would be all over it like stink on monkey squat?

You people kill me. This is just the sort of fecal miasma you all like to wallow in.

Look. The guy own. He won fairly. He won big time. He is the legitimate Prez and probably is going to be for another 6 years! Get the "frack" over it!

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 10, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Anyone of you out there who has ever enjoyed PBS'S NATURE program is familiar with the Dung Beetle. They eat dung. They thrive on it. They fashion it into a huge ball, roll it into their slimy little hold and feast on it.

That is what these birthers are. Slimy, stinking little dung beetles who seek out big piles of feces to fashion into a ball and nourish themselves on. These bugs in the birther movement will eat crap to deligitimize this good and decent man. They hate decency and goodness. Which explains why the Mass story is so appealing to them.

The more vulgar and obscene, the more it stinks, the more they move toward in a herd just like dung beetles.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 10, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

jaxas:

There is evidence that he was born in what is now Kenya (including his maternal grandmother), so who exactly is "ignoring" the evidence? I conceded IF Obama was born in Hawaii, there's no problem in this regard. Will you at least admit if Obama is not a "natural-born" citizen, that he is not legally President?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

There is no middle ground between the two parties on health care. Or, if there is, it is very little.

The Dems believe that it is the government's responsibility to see that all Americans have health care. Just as have we an FDA trying to insure that the food we eat is safe, for example. The government needs to get involved. They place people over profits.

The Repubs believe that health care is best left to the marketplace. That if the large insurers rake in exorbitant profits -- so be it -- that is capitalism. Even it is killing people. They place a free market and government-non-intervention at the top of their priority list.

What middle ground is there when their philosophical starting points are diametrically opposed?

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 10, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

37th an0street, what other President has ever been asked to produce his birth certificate? And you know as well as I do that the President has no authority to direct a state agency to violate its own right to privacy rules.

Look a**hole, if you are so gawdamned certain Obama wasn't born here, then you prove it! The President doesn't have to prove a gawdammed thing to you stinking little dungbeetles!

George W. Bush's records of service in the National Guard were never relaeased either. Nor the court records of his drunk driving arrest. Where were you tirds back then?

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 10, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

But, trust me. After the election, assuming they take back Congress, its back to the basement for you.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 10, 2010 11:54 AM

they will take back congress. sure thing. i don't have a basement. i live in california. but i wouldn't mind being in the basement. better there than to be in a dungeon under the democrats congress.

Posted by: doof | March 10, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

jaxas70


It would be extremely helpful to the discussion if Obama would authorize the release by the Hawaii Dept of Health of the underlying documents in the folder at the Dept of Health.


If there are documents being hidden, the public should really know what is there.

Your comments are silly - and have no basis.


Obama promised transparency - where is it?


What is wrong with Obama releasing the underlying documents???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

The upcoming election will be determined in great part by voters' perceptions of Obama.


At this point, Obama is a complete disaster.


Obama has REFUSED to make the necessary course-corrections. AND even worse for the democrats, Obama has created an impression in the voters' minds which will be difficult to change in the fall.


Obama CONTINUES TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.


Did Obama ONCE during the health care summit say - OK how can we both compromise our positions to meet IN THE MIDDLE ???


NO, not once did Obama say he would meet in the middle.


Instead, Obama's entire attitude was - I will throw a few of your ideas into my 2400 page bill.


How is that the MIDDLE?


Obama blew it - people gave him a second chance.


On Obama's second chance, Obama says NO IM GOING TO KEEP ON TALKING ABOUT HEALTH CARE.

Now everyone can't wait to get RID OF OBAMA.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Ahhhhhh doof--I can just picture you standing before Sir Ben Kingsley who played the role of the Senior Medical Official on Shutter Island: "You keep insisting that there is this conspiracy. You keep telling me that you are a federal marshal. Yet standing here before you is your own doctor whom you insist to me is your partner. He is your doctor for God's sake! He's been your doctor for over 20 years! Look at him! He is not a federal marshal. He is your doctor!"

Look. Fox Mulder wanted to believe so badly that he had his favorite posted tacked to the wall in his office basement. It read: I WANT TO BELIEVE! And why do you suppose that the FBI put him in a narrow, miserable little basement office?

That is precisely what the GOP does to you. They only bring you out when they need you to help them get back in power. But, trust me. After the election, assuming they take back Congress, its back to the basement for you.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 10, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

what do you wear when you crossdress, doof?

you like the rudi guiliani look, perhaps? high heels, stockings, plunging necklines?

or do you prefer the scott brown hot pink leather shorts type look?

Posted by: drindl | March 10, 2010 11:36 AM

sorry. don't do that. i leave it to she-males like you. other liberals can answer your question though.

i'm still waiting for a cut and paste answer from you. after you decide what sex you are today, post it. show us how smart a she-male is or pretends to be.

Posted by: doof | March 10, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I afraid I don't understand jaked2. What do you mean "if" Obama was born in Hawaii? He was born in Hawaii. There is evidence that he was born there. The Hawaii department of records assets so. The newspaper of record that day has a record and a small writeup of the announcement of his birth, the time, date, street address, etc. etc..

Aren't you people being just like the OJ jury who desperately wanted to believe he was innocent so simply ignored the evidence and participated in a jury nullification?

Look. This is one of the reasons I called the Tea Party mobs candidates for a visit to SHUTTER ISLAND.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 10, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

An organization committed to preventing Health Care Reform produced a poll that showed that people agreed with them?

SHOCKING!

Posted by: VTDuffman | March 10, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

scientist1

Just because you say its a far-left agenda doesn't make it one.


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No, it is a far-left agenda because it is a far-left agenda.

It is far-left because of the massive taxes and the creation of a massive government program - which no one wants.


A CENTRIST POLICY is one that is negotiated out between the two parties - and which both parties agree.

A DECEPTION IS A DECEPTION.

Don't try to say, well centrist is this - when only liberals want that policy - then it is liberal.

A DECEPTION IS A DECEPTION.


It is becoming increasing clear that the liberals think they deceived the country in 2008 - and they are going to try to deceive the country again.

That is not how it works.


One a debate starts about the meaning of words, you know someone is lying.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

The entire concept of SHUTTER ISLAND itself is in itself a sort of commentary on what happens when a human being loses touch with everyday reality and begins to construct an alternate reality.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 10, 2010 11:12 AM

sounds like a good description of the idiot obama. you went to the right movie. did you go with the she-male?

Posted by: doof | March 10, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

what do you wear when you crossdress, doof?

you like the rudi guiliani look, perhaps? high heels, stockings, plunging necklines?

or do you prefer the scott brown hot pink leather shorts type look?

Posted by: drindl | March 10, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

bobbywc


I really don't care what your 401K says - that is not the measure of jobs and the prospects for economic growth in the economy.

OK, some Obama person wants to say - hey, the low of the stock market was in March 2009 - let's try to take credit for every uptick since that low.

Well - there is an old saying - figures don't lie, but liars figure.

Your entire thinking is one of a liar figuring.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

A word about these polls: In college a had several quantitative analysis classes and one the the main factors in the validity of polling is what is the confidence interval of the poll. It is usually expressed as a + or - error factor, but in reality it is more complicated than that.

Another factor was weighting. An example: If you have a hotel with a conference room and 100 rooms and 50 of the people are in the conference room and the other 50 are in their rooms and your survey is a random survey of everyone in the hotel, unless you attach more weight to the 50 who are in the conference room, your poll will be skewed to the favor of those who are in their individual room.

That is precisely what happens so frequently in the random media polling. If you do not attach the appropriate weight to an individual state, your result will be skewed. The vast majority of Americans live in the large urban centers in states like NY, California, Florida, Washington and Chicago. Quite often, these media polls tend to minimize their influence.

If you do a random poll on a state-by-state basis, it is highly likely that you are going to end up overpolling those in rural areas who tend to be more conservative and republican.

Quite frankly, I am distrustful of any poll taken between elections. After a major Presidential election, the winners tend to relax and go back to their normal routines. The losers however-typically having some undefined feeling that the winners somehow used illegitimate means to win, are angry and energized. It is one of the reasons that the party of the winner in a Presidential election always ends up losing seats in the following Congressional election. Then a funny thing happens, the party that won the congressional elections over reaches thinking they have a mandate.

You simply cannot trust any of this as indicative of any real shift in any direction.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 10, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

37thand0street wrote:
When Obama went off on a far-left agenda -

Wait. Obama gave up single payer, gave up the public option, for a centrist plan which for the first time forces the freeloaders on the system to start paying in, like requiring car insurance. His base hates it because of this. Polling of the public on the issues--not the slogans--shows that the public is probably to the left of this bill on the issues.

Just because you say its a far-left agenda doesn't make it one.

Posted by: scientist1 | March 10, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

jaxas, great description of the Tea Baggers. They're being manipulated, but they think they're in charge.

These money-centric manipulators are highly intelligent and strategic (Rovian, if you will), and they know that the way to move the masses is to simplify, simplify, simplify for easy comprehension.

Why do the left-wing intelligencia fail where the right-wing intelligencia don't? Because lefties talk too much.

(Have I gone on too long? Am I being too self-referential? D'oh! That's another lefty trait.)

Posted by: dognabbit | March 10, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

why is it in their makeups that makes them so warped and twisted?

Posted by: drindl | March 10, 2010 11:13 AM

only a she-male like you can answer that. do some cut and paste to give us the answer.

Posted by: doof | March 10, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

jaxas70:

If Obama was born in Hawaii, then of course he is the legitimate President of the United States.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"The polls, which were paid for by StartOver!, a group aimed at urging the Administration to, um, start over on health care, were conducted" . . .
to see if the "start over" slogan was remembered by an electorate to which it has been repeated incessantly for weeks.

Posted by: scientist1 | March 10, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I will say it AGAIN - BECAUSE THE LIBERALS STILL DO NOT GET IT.

The liberals are blind - it is that simple.


Obama promised the nation to pursue a BIPARTISAN AGENDA - that means the results would be CENTRIST POLICIES.


THOSE CENTRIST POLICIES are what Obama's mandate was in the election.


When Obama went off on a far-left agenda - that is when Obama ran into serious trouble - and not the trouble that shows up in the polls right away - the kind of trouble which erodes the foundation of support.

The liberals CONTINUE TO INSIST that the country gave them a mandate for a far-left agenda - that is simply not true - and the liberals are fooling themselves.

It is pretty simple.


OK - let me put it another way - a job applicant comes in and says he is going to do a set of things - 14 months later, no attempt has been made to do the things he said, instead he insists that he was hired to do something completely different.


That is grounds for firing - get him out of there.

There is no other way around it - the country wants to fire Obama and the democrats - and Obama doesn't get it, the liberals don't get it - and everytime one turns the tv on, there is another liberal trying to explain that the problem is that they "were not liberal enough."

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

YOU were the one who told us to go f&ck ourselves.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

sorry 37th, you seem to actually believe I am imagining how the stockmarket recovery has impacted my 401k - those of us old enough to have these will vote based on how well our 401ks are doing - this is real evidence and not an opinion based on an agenda -

but I know enough to know that tomorrow morning I could wake up and the stock market could collapse and my 401k takes another nose dive -

the entire simulus package pushed by Obama was about the economy - people who got jobs out of it are not imagining it. Unfortunately there is no real honest way to calculate how many jobs were saved by the stimulus package - so this is an argument neither side can win.

But in the end you can say he did nothing for the ecomony over and over and over again and it will not change what I am seeing in my 401K statement - a piece of real evidence and not a conclusory statement.

But I agree one can make a very good argument that Obama has really bad administrative skills and does not seem to have a clue how government works.

He may be the only person in Washington who has not realized everyone but Obama is running the show - and this is why people perceive him as weak (rightfully so)

Posted by: bobbywc | March 10, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

'we'll leave that to you, she-male'

why is it that Rs are so obsessed with weird s*x? we got one on here obssessed with pedophilia, another with transexuals, surely we must have one that fantasizes about dogs like Rick Santorum. why is it in their makeups that makes them so warped and twisted?

Posted by: drindl | March 10, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to disappoint you doof but I did not watch any of the Beck hour. My wife and I had just returned home from attending a showing of the motion picture SHUTTER ISLAND.

I won't give away the ending of the movie but, suffice to say that I believe everyone of you tea sucking doofuses ought to be hauled into movie theaters nation wide to see the movie. Why? Because you are in it? The entire concept of SHUTTER ISLAND itself is in itself a sort of commentary on what happens when a human being loses touch with everyday reality and begins to construct an alternate reality. It is a dark, grim description of what really is the final frontier--human consciousness and how easily it can become warped and manipulated for the cynical benefit of those who do the manipulating and warping.

The Tea Party movement is a perfect collective illustration of what the point of the movie is. About how we may think we are in control of our own destinies but, we really aren't. And the ending truth is so shattering that the only way to end it is to surgically remove that truth.

The truth is that Barack Obama is a decent, calm, compassionate, African American man who through self improvement, hard work, dedication to positive, rational thinking and a drive to rise as far as one can given his talents, fairly and squarely won election to the highest office in the land by dint of being elected by a substantial majority of his countrymen.

He is not a communist, a socialist, a Muslim or a terrorist. He is not into Black Power. He is not out to impose some unConstitutional form of government on us. He is not a criminal or an incompetent. He is legitimately the President of the United States. He makes mistakes as all of them do. But in the end, he has the best interests of his countrymen at heart.

Your problem and Beck's problem and Limbaugh's problem is that if there were justice in the universe, you would all be incarcerated on SHUTTER ISLAND.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 10, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

bobbywc


Obama has been ignoring the economy - and he has distracted Congress for over a year trying to get his far-left wing health care agenda through.

I find it really weird that NOW, after Obama keeps on ignoring the economy - the democrats want to say "No that didn't happen."

Obama said it in front of Congress in September - no one can deny it.

In January, it was well accepted that the administration was going to turn away from health care and then concentrate on the economy.


NOW we are talking about health care AGAIN.

Sorry, what do you want, some alternative universe?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Massa is ridiculous, pathetic, but hilarious.

Tickle fights? In the Navy (maybe in the Village People's Navy -- remember that song?).

Anyway... he had his 15 minutes.

Verdict: No Impact.

Possible Exception: is it possible to damage the reputation of Congress any further?

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 10, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

The biggest challenge for those who wish to equate Massa, Paterson, and Rangel with ethics problems for the entire Democratic Party is that all three of these pols are from one state. And because that state is New York, I suspect that most Americans who are paying attention are simply shrugging their shoulders and saying, "That's New York for ya."

It'd be the same if they were all from, say, Illinois, New Jersey, Florida, or South Carolina.

On the other hand, it might raise more eyebrows if they were all from "goody two-shoes" states like Missouri, or Maine, or Colorado. Okay, okay, I don't know if those states are goody two-shoes or not; I just don't think they bear the same reputation as New York.

Posted by: dognabbit | March 10, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

bobbywc writes
"On healthcare if you take the margin of error along with those like me who would vote no because it does not include a public option, what are the real numbers - do the real numbers show the people are really demanding a public option and the majority is mad because Obama abandoned the public option."

Bobby, he doesn't directly answer your question, but Ezra Klein digs into a recent Gallup poll to answer a similar question:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/03/do_americans_oppose_health-car.html

He concludes that while there is a slight plurality in opposition to the bill, most people that oppose the bill don't know what's in it. In other words, people are basing their opinions on misinformation. In some cases, willingly.

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 10, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Jay20


You are 100% correct - and there is story after story about Obama's job performance over the years which confirms the same theme.

When Obama was in Springfield, he hardly did anything - the story is that there was a legislator named Emil Jones who wanted to take Obama under his wing - so Emil Jones put Obama's name on a bunch of legislation - but it was never Obama who was pushing the legislation through - it was Jones.

Even the State Senate district - was a gerrymandered district which Obama was hand-picked to run in because of his race.

Obama said that he would never run for US Senator unless there were two whites in the primary against one black. Obama waited for just that combination to emerge so he could run - with the whites splitting the vote.

Then Obama faced a stiff fall campaign from Jack Ryan, the Republican nominee - but Jack Ryan was forced out of the race by a scandal.

Even in the democratic primaries in 2008, it is not difficult to see how Obama started with black support - and then sat at about 20% in the polls for the longest time.

Hillary was presumed to be the nominee, but she could not get to 50% - and the other white candidates failed to get much traction.

However, if one looks at the democratic electorate, with Hillary sitting at 40-45% and Obama at 20%, there was only 35-40% left to split among Edwards, Richardson, Dodd, and Biden.

For one of those candidates to be seen as a viable alternative to Hillary, there would have had to be some strength in the polls - but there simply were not enough voters left.

So Obama became the viable alternative to Hillary - the front-loaded primary did not help the process as it quickly became a two -person race.


One has to ask oneself - how did such an inexperience - and out-of-touch person get to be President ?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

And now people wonder why he seems to be struggling as President.


No wonder.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 10, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

What is the impact? Our family finds this sickening. We are watching the Democrats blame everyone else for the very things they are so guilty of doing. We are stunned that a White House Chief of Staff would be in the Congressional Fitness Center. What was a Chief of Staff while in the shower doing approaching a Congressman nude to discuss his vote? Rahm and Massa are liberal Democrats and this attempt to always push poor behavior off on others is just getting old. These liberal Democrats will do anything to pass this radical agenda no one wants. This sorry excuse of a health care bill is nothing but a takeover of our health care and WE DO NOT WANT THIS DUMB BILL. We are intelligent enough to know that Obama, Reid, Pelosi and Rahm could care less if we fell off the curb and much less about our
coverage but of course why should they when they will keep their great coverage while we foot the bill. We are furious about this pathetic behavior but more about this horrific bill they are attempting to cram down our throats.

Posted by: greatgran1 | March 10, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

If my old childhood hero Ben Franklin were alive today and still writing POOR RICHARD'S ALMANAC, I am quite certain he would be smiling in vindication. One of Ben's little known wits of wisdom read thusly: "That which begins in anger almost always ends in shame."

Ben's with not only applies to Massa's deranged mission to Fox News to what Beck and his fanatical, slavish disciples hoped fervently would be an upending of the Obama era. It was transparent from the start to anyone not afflicted with this silly, partisan anger at a simple, decent wise man who won an election, that nothing of substance was ever going to come of this. For Beck and his brain cell deficient followers, that Obama won the election is enough. In their fevered brains, all who do not buy into their idiotic, oversimplified, obsolete ethos derived from the Know Nothing party of our early Republic, is quite simply an enemy of the people.

Beck and his sycophants of course are the real enemy of the people. Of course, they will never admit that to themselves. The truth would destroy them.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 10, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Although I don't really read the comments on that blog.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 10, 2010 10:37 AM


you just look at the pictures?

Posted by: doof | March 10, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

37th, while I agree Obama seems to not understand Washington and has never really excelled at any job, the idea he has failed with the economy is just over the top.

My 401k statement would beg to differ. Those of us who receive 401k statements know that the increase in the stock market has made our future retirement just that much easier.

The economy was in a complete free fall when Obama took office - it is now in a slow, but I agree painful recovery (which I also agree may not last - too early to tell)

people claiming he failed with the economy will not change what I see in my 401k statement.

And Mark is so right about UHC causing Obama to not address other issues such as the financial markets.

Obama needs to face reality and understand Washington is like living in a well filled with toxic waste.

He needs to just say enough is enough and get on with it without the Republicans - America is fed up - I believe Susan Collins and Olympia Snow are good targets for the Dems - their states are not radical right wing states - they are independent minded people who like the rest of the country are fed up.

Obama needs to call them in and give it to them straight - stay in bed with the NO Republicans and we will beging the attacks in your states.

It is time to fight and mean it - it is time to stop talking

Posted by: bobbywc | March 10, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Beck's beyond stupid apology spoke volumes not only about this utterly contemptible medium that has the gall to call itself a "news" network, but also about the fanatical, ignorant, neurotic niche audience it panders to. The trailer trash community was no doubt, all eyes and ears last night.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 10, 2010 10:32 AM

only a jackass would talk about the "neurotic audience" it panders to while he himself is part of that audience. jackass watched the whole hour.

Posted by: doof | March 10, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Obama is the democrats' problem - everyone knows that.

Obama chose to have an extremely unrealistic campaign platform in 2008, that was Obama's fault.

HOWEVER, to not even ATTEMPT to do some of the things in his own platform - that is really really bad. AND Obama has backed himself into such a corner, it will be extremely difficult for him to get out.


Time and time again, voices have cautioned, Obama, just take care of the economy and jobs and you will be OK. This has been going on for a very long time.

IN September, in his address to Congress, Obama himself addresses the issue, and Obama says NO. Obama says he didn't come to Washington "just to" take care of the economy - no there is Obama's ego which must come first.


Obama has lived up to his resume - given the opportunity by AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, OBAMA HAS FAILED TO DO EVERY JOB GIVEN TO HIM.

Obama has become a national disgrace - and proof that AFFIRMATIVE ACTION DOES NOT WORK.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"katem, the reason Ezra Klein's blog is so civilized, so says Cillizza, is that it is a policy blog. This is a political blog and of course, politics is a contact sport, people attack each other in politics. But I'm not buying it. I think this is so dysfunctional because a few people have established a perverse social network,
a chat room for misanthropes.

Posted by: shrink2"

I think it's mainly because it's easy for anyone to pretend to be an expert on politics. Anyone can turn on Sean Hannity and go "oh, that is what I'm supposed to think" and then go and post their nonsense over and over. You've got to work at understanding politics, so naturally you're going to have some more intelligent people there.

Although I don't really read the comments on that blog. It's updated a lot more frequently than this one, so I just read the blog itself.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 10, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

37 And 0 Street --

You make a pretty good point about Obama.

When he was a law professor, he spent all of his time trying to become a state senator.

When he was a state senator he spent a considerable amount of time trying to beat US Rep Bobby Rush in a primary. When he lost that election, he set his sights on being Mayor of Chicago.

When Obama ran for Senate, his opponents all imploded due to salacious scandals.

Within 2 years of entering the Senate, he was campigning for President full-time.

While Obama is a smart guy, he has never really had to learn the substantive areas of any of his prior jobs.

And now people wonder why he seems to be struggling as President.

Posted by: Jay20 | March 10, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

shrink2


You need to hire a shrink to talk about how you feel about other posters - it is getting unhealthy.

If you disagree, that is OK, just state your opinion.

However, your disagreement has become obsessive - to the point at which you are INTOLERANT of opposing viewpoints - AND YOUR HOSTILITY IS SHOWING.


We live in America - where the FIRST AMENDMENT GOVERNS.


So, tolerance of opposing viewpoints is what is called for in this country.

If you are intolerant, that is unAmerican.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Massa"s appearance on Glenn Beck was a major disappointment to the right. Beck was almost levitating with giddiness at the prospect of a disgruntled democrat spilling the beans on the Obama administration and Congress and vindicating Beck's most clutchingly held close to his breast conspiracy theories.

Typically, the media enjoyed the hogpen wallowing event as it provided just the sort of squalid "Caligula-like" entertainment they crave these days to bolster ratings and profit.

But for most of us, it was obvious from the start that there would be no big time revelations coming from a pathetic, pitiful man caught up in a mud bath festival of feces of his own making. It was altogether fitting that such a valueless, uncredible squawk with a penchant for making up perverse, obscene fictions about Rahm Emmanuel and the democratic leaders of Congress. Why? Because that is a Fox News trademark.

Beck's beyond stupid apology spoke volumes not only about this utterly contemptible medium that has the gall to call itself a "news" network, but also about the fanatical, ignorant, neurotic niche audience it panders to. The trailer trash community was no doubt, all eyes and ears last night.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 10, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

3. Mmmmmmm. I love the smell of astroturf in the morning.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 10, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: haiku360 | March 10, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

katem, I will now send you that check I promised.

The thing with me is, I believe intelligent people can sort out the nonsense and do not need my encouragement to do so. I believe when you ask someone what proof they have for their claims and they respond with conclusory statements, the independent minded people will understand that are "puro pedo" as we say in Spanish [all gas].

I run a local blog - everyone knows for me the blog works best when the posts extend the discussion and creates critical thinking.

I stay away from here for long periods at a time because I cannot stand the insults.

But on this poll issue - can we not all agree that if the discussion does not include the question and margin of error with a link to the methodology that the poll for discussion purposes is worthless.

On healthcare if you take the margin of error along with those like me who would vote no because it does not include a public option, what are the real numbers - do the real numbers show the people are really demanding a public option and the majority is mad because Obama abandoned the public option.

The press has become such a joke - Freedom Communications emerged from bankruptcy yesterday - the headline should have been, but did them emerge from being morally bankrupt? Their newspapers failed because like most journalism in the US, newsworthy is defined as - "does it fit the agenda of the corporatists running the show?"

Posted by: bobbywc | March 10, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

The liberals just don't get it: Obama promised one set of things during the campaign - and then didn't even ATTEMPT to deliver, instead Obama embarked on a far-left agenda.

Instead of building trust, Obama has now become a synonym for FRAUD.

Obama had his chance - and he failed. AND the democrats don't even UNDERSTAND WHAT OBAMA FAILED AT. Obama failed to take care the economy. Obama failed to address what is important to the American People. Obama failed TO DO HIS JOB.


It is nothing but a sidenote that Obama NEVER had a job in his life in which he actually DID his job. Even when Obama got to Washington, he was off on a book tour, and then he ran for President, never apparently learning what it took to really get a bill through Congress.


Obama has failed on the economy. That is what the American People care about. Even when THAT MESSAGE WAS MADE LOUD AND CLEAR IN JANUARY, Obama goes off again, snubs his nose at the American People, and says, "My ego is more important than your jobs and the economy."


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Jake, politically Ds must pass it soon. Their next best option is to drop it soon. Their worst option is to delay.
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You know my views on the merits. The SB is better for my clients than the HB. UHC is the necessary precursor to cost control. Once we established that emergency rooms had to treat everyone we created a public finance system for health care right from the devil. Rationalizing the system in any way that substitutes clinic care for ER care in most cases creates huge system savings for the public [although I have conceded that San Diego and El Paso will save nothing and LA and San Antonio will not save much - your point having been that IAs who are uncovered by UHC will still have the ER] . The universal mandate is a prerequisite for eliminating the "preexisting" bar, and is the only ticklish issue, IMO. Regulating medical insurers as to profits is reasonable in an industry dominated by local monopolies, and preserves a private enterprise system that employs many. The exchanges are about as close as we can get to interstate competition for now. Subsidizing med research and health care professional training should raise the supply side over time.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 10, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

katem, the reason Ezra Klein's blog is so civilized, so says Cillizza, is that it is a policy blog. This is a political blog and of course, politics is a contact sport, people attack each other in politics. But I'm not buying it. I think this is so dysfunctional because a few people have established a perverse social network,
a chat room for misanthropes.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

shrink2


You have no idea what you are talking about - why don't you leave the country with Noacoler.


I haven't even commmented on this thread and yet you are here to harass other posters.

What is wrong with you?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 10, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm I wonder if 37th's mom finally told his dad about what that Georgetown tuition money they spent, self-sacrifice saving, was really going for. Another Republican family tragedy.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

And all the rest of you disgusting terrorist-loving, treasonous Obama haters, you can go f*ck yourselves.

Posted by: drindl | March 10, 2010 9:28 AM

we'll leave that to you, she-male

Posted by: doof | March 10, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

AndyR3 ---

Thanks for you remark on Governor Pawlenty.
I lived in Minnesota during a good portion of his two-terms there. Despite my somewhat conservative leanings, I wasn't impressed with him. Despite an extremely healthy and diverse economy and a large tax base supported by at least 8 Fortune 500 companies, he could never seem to get anything accomplished.

Pawlenty isn't polling more than 1% in Iowa, a state that he's been a two-term governor right next door to.

CHRIS, ENOUGH WITH THE STORIES ABOUT PAWLENTY; LET'S TALK ABOUT HALEY BARBOUR, MITCH DANIELS AND BOBBY JINDAL INSTEAD.

Posted by: Jay20 | March 10, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

on 1...
massa makes the dems look like perverts...
it must be so...

Posted by: DwightCollins | March 10, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

mark_in_austin:

The Dems "must" pass some bill for the sake of politics even if it makes the healthcare industry worse?!

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, Bill O'Reily embraced all members of al queda Last night especially bin Ladin. Now we can all see why drindl "cuts and pastes" so much.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

"keeps dragging on. Good for Republicans."

True.

Ds must pass a UHC bill soon. While a Prez can mutitask, Congress seems to slow its efforts when it must push on one huge issue. After all, Congress has not yet dealt with the Estate Tax, which should have been a no-brainer LAST year. As long as this is on the table, Congress [blame on the majority party] is seen as doing nothing about the economy. The fact that Congress cannot do much about the economy is lost on the American people. Perception being what it is, delay is a mounting advantage for the Rs.

Of course, the economy is a double edged sword. Congress cannot do much about it, but it will recover eventually, anyway. Optimism could be in the wind through no effort of Congress and the majority would be advantaged for that. The safe bet is that the economy will look better or worse rather than the same in October as it does now.

I have more interest in the Volcker Plan than I do in UHC or cap-and-trade. I want the reregulation of the financial markets so badly that I get ticked at the Congress for its preoccupation with UHC. If we learned anything last year, it was that bubble and bust leads to ever increasing busts. The deregulation was so widely supported that when either party points to the other they are half truthful and not lying. Short memory seems to prevail. The longer this health care debate goes on the less likely we will get to financial re-regulation before the next bubble-and-bust.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 10, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

As far as Fox is concerned, I'm sure they would love to embrace any member of al queda at this point, especially bin Ladin, because if he hates America's president and America, then he will be on Fox's side!

And all the rest of you disgusting terrorist-loving, treasonous Obama haters, you can go f*ck yourselves.

Posted by: drindl | March 10, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I doubt that Fox News will "embrace" Massa after all the facts come out?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

bobbywc, you're back! I always enjoyed your posts, even if I don't agree with them, because youre informative but not insulting, having an actual discussion with you is what real debate is all about. I've been complaing all winter about the sad lack of actual, factual debate on these comments, and actually mentioned your name as someone who has a firm grip on reality, and information, and civil debate is the norm with you. YAY!

Posted by: katem1 | March 10, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

AndyR3 writes
"The Foley story broke with two months until the the election, and involved minors..."

and happened over several years, with multiple victims.

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Posted by: bsimon1 | March 10, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

concerning #1, you have a GOPer commenting on how the supposed ethics problem will impact the Dems, claiming the Dems are disheartened by it. So because he says it, it's true? No Dem source to back this assertion up? How about a Dem talking about how disheartening it must be for the GOP to have had the biggest scandal of all in the last decade, Plamegate? Isn't it a scandal of how Bunning, Delay and Kyl view people who no fault of their own are forced to subsist on unemployment benefits? To only quote a GOPer in this case is NOT fair and balanced, it's doing the GOPers job for them.
You've complained before of how some trolls have taken over your comment board, well maybe it's the way you put out unsubstansiated statements that roil people up, and feed their paranoia. Check out your buddy Klein's comment board today for a great example of discussions without namecalling and insults. It was informative, fact filled and definitely a good read.

Posted by: katem1 | March 10, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

You know as well as I do, it's hardly ever the crime that trips D.C. pols, it's the cover up. What did Pelosi know and when did she know it?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 8:54 AM

pelosi knew everything. as usual she didn't know what to do. notice how she uses hoyer more and more nowadays to take cover. the democrats will be relieved when the republicans take over the house in november. they won't have to worry about replacing pelosi. pelosi worst speaker of the house in the history of congress. really stupid woman.

Posted by: doof | March 10, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

bsimon1 and AndyR3 can hide their heads in the sand, but this was definitely the tipping point as to the "most ethical Congress in history".

What did Pelosi know, and when did she know it?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Massa story 1: "I'm retiring for my health."

Massa story 2: "I'm retiring because I said some inappropriate things."

Massa story 3: "I was pushed out by Dem leaders because I won't vote for health care reform."

Massa story 4: "Yes, I groped him. And I tickled him. And here's pictures of me tickling my navy buddies too. Is that so wrong?"


Inescapable Conclusion: Massive scandal in Dem leadership. When did Speaker Pelosi learn of the tickling? Why did she cover it up? For how many years has she been protecting this Freshman Congressman? To what lengths did she go to suppress any reports of the congressman's funny fingers? his wandering wigglers?

Imbeciles unite in pursuing this sordid tale to the very last detail!

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 10, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

As to Massa "puro masa y grasa" On this story Fox News proved how desperate journalism has become. Fox News making a hero of a MAN who believes Obama is wrong for not pushing a government plan, and who is sexually harassing men is so laughable it is beyond words.

I grow so tired with healthcare polls. I would vote no and will vote against my Congressman if he votes for it - why? no public option - a pro insurance company bill makes me sick - I guess demanding a public option makes me a dirty old conservative. Someone needs to do a real poll which asked are you opposed because you are opposed to reform or opposed because it does not include a public option.

Also I give very little weight to polls when I am not provided the opportunity to see the exaact question or a link to its methodology

Posted by: bobbywc | March 10, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

democrats don't have the votes to pass healthcare. if they did it would be passed by now. doubt they even have 200 votes in the house. stupak doesn't matter anymore. hoyer has other problems. the 18th deadline will pass. obama will again have nothing to show for it. democrats can't figure out how to drop this healthcare bill. everyone is afraid to come out and say they made a mistake. keeps dragging on. good for republicans.

Posted by: doof | March 10, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Jake,
The two biggest differences between Massa and Foley are timing and the age of the accusers. The Foley story broke with two months until the the election, and involved minors, where as Massa's scandal broke 9 months away from the election, and invlolves adults. The two worst things that can happen to any politician is being found with a dead girl or a live boy, and Foley did the later.

Posted by: AndyR3 | March 10, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Especially after the dems pass healthcare reform in the next two weeks this will all be forgotten.

Posted by: AndyR3 | March 10, 2010 8:25 AM

randy andy has his retard cap on again today. healthcare bill is as dead as ted kennnedy. there is a better chance of unemployement rate going to 6% than healthcare passing. go find your boyfriend.

Posted by: doof | March 10, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I think that Chris Lehane and bsimon1 (one and the same?) are spinning this as fast as can be. Don't get too dizzy. The rest of us will still be assessing the Eric Massa impact next week as more revelations are sure to be forthcoming.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

pardon me while I take a moment for myself.


don't respond to imbeciles.

don't respond to imbeciles.

don't respond to imbeciles.

don't respond to imbeciles.

don't respond to imbeciles.

don't respond to imbeciles.


I think that'll do it. Thank you for your support.

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 10, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

bsimon1:

You know as well as I do, it's hardly ever the crime that trips D.C. pols, it's the cover up. What did Pelosi know and when did she know it?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

"Those data affirm the conventional wisdom that Palin and Huckabee are fighting for the same bloc of social conservative voters -- a significant bloc in a Iowa Republican primary fight -- while Romney has a separate vein of support."


Those data also affirm the growing conventional wisdom that perhaps Iowa is not the best place to start winnowing the presidential field. Can we find a state with rational voters, please?


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Posted by: bsimon1 | March 10, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

We haven't even heard yet from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement as to their investigations to find possible criminal charges (which State was Jared Smith's New Years Eve wedding?). Recall that each of Foley investigations ended with no criminal finding, but that didn't stop them from dragging it out. In the case of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the “FDLE conducted as thorough and comprehensive investigation as possible considering Congress and Mr. Foley denied us access to critical data,” said FDLE Commissioner Gerald Bailey with the closure of that case. What kind of cooperation will the Dems allow on the Massa case? What will be the results of the House Ethics Committee? Will they also conduct an investigation into the response of the House Democratic leadership and their staff to possible earlier warnings of Massa's conduct? Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Massa's appearance on the Beck show went a long way towards acquiting Dem leadership of any scandal surrounding his ouster. He admitted to groping some staff members and he's out of Congress. The scandal is his, alone, to bear.

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 10, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

c'mon Chris, all the polls you site are conservative! of course they're winning! How about some polls about how people feel about how Tom Delay views people on unemployment benefits, along with kyl and bunning. that's alot more important to people than yet another scandal from yet another politician from either party. and the fact that the GOP doesn't have any new ideas except for the ones that got the country where it is in the first place, all they do is attck, attack, attack, even each other, like in Florida. Why aren't you high lighting all of the good policy the GOP wants to do? Because you can't, because they don't put any out there; and if they do, they vote it down as soon as the Prez comes on board. just because a gop poll says the GOP is winning, doesn't mean they will. like when you offered up the Club for Growth Poll about NY23, such a partisan poll to offer up as why you thought Hoffman was going to win. you are feeding the fear machine the GOP has going, doing their job for them, with this constant "poll" cr#p, with no facts, just figures polled from skewed questions.

Posted by: katem1 | March 10, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Also, yesterday evening Michael Savage said, "Lindsay Graham is one of the biggest snakes in the grass of all time."

He advocated Tea Party militants get their names on ballots everywhere. He said even if they can't get a single candidate elected, at least they will drive the other Republicans to the Right.

Overplayed already, The Republican Rising! is in deep trouble, by 2012 it will be over.


In other important news of the day,
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I would ignore 37th. He is an undergrad at Georgetown University. What his debating skills say about the state of higher education in this country aside, I think we can all agree that it is rather pathetic that he is in front of his computer rambling like a lunatic instead of our (sic)getting drunk like a normal college student.

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Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Who care if this has impact? It is the single greatest sex scandal story of the week! We might never see its like again from a Democrat Congressman until at least the end of next week. I salute you, Rep Massa, or Congressman Tickle-puss as I like to call you. No! No! No! No! Don't! Stop tickling me, Rep Massa! Stop! I can't breathe! Visit my blog on this at http://wp.me/pBZ7l-8I or http://presidentsuit.com

Posted by: PresidentSuit | March 10, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, just like the Dems "overplay[ed] their hand" on the Mark Foley scandal? I think not. What did Pelosi know, and when did she know it?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 10, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

1. Chris in the really short term Obama is one vote closer in the house to passing healthcare. That is real short term importance of Massa. As far Democratic scandals, it not a problem. This guy is so crazy he makes Glen Beck seem sane.

2. I see this is a big positive for the Democrats to have the GOP bruised and battered. It is funny that Rubo the backroom deal maker is running as an outsider. Christ is going to land enough body blows on Rubo that the independents will not vote for him giving the seat to the Democrats.

3. First, I do agree with Mark that this is a push poll and if it passes and people see the world did not stop in it's axis this will not be such a big issue in November. Second, in the Colorado 4th Betsy Markey voted against the bill the first time it came up. It will be interesting to see what she does this time. I did not have a problem with her vote last time and will understand if she votes against it, but I will quadruple my contributions to her if she shows a profile in courage and votes for it.

Posted by: bradcpa | March 10, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

This far out the ethics stuff won't have any serious effect on the electorate in november. Especially after the dems pass healthcare reform in the next two weeks this will all be forgotten. Plus as I pointed out yesterday Ensign and Sanford are still in office and have faced no ramifications for their ethical missteps, so I think the Republicans will need to be careful not to overplay their hand on this one.

Crist and Rubio are going to do all the work for Meeks before we ever get to the general election. This has gotten nasty and it looks like it is going to get worse before it gets better. It may turn out that no matter who wins they will be so damaged that they won't have a chance in the general. This one has to go down as a failure for Michael Steele and the RNC in keeping Rubio out of the senate race that looked like a lock 5 months ago.

CC, I want you to try and not write about Pawlenty for two weeks. He is at 1% in Iowa. Until he gets to at least 5% than we dont' need to hear about him. Ron Paul has a better chance of winning Iowa than Pawlenty.

Posted by: AndyR3 | March 10, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Ok, let's facelift bar!
Especially with the new year approaching.

#5 just makes me laugh.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 10, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

I have to disagree on #5 showing that Palin and Huckabee are going after the same bloc of voters. In the poll you cite, when either Palin or Huckabee is take out, the largest bump goes to Romney. It looks like there's some other, unexplored dynamic at work here.

Posted by: mcmil | March 10, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

#1 would have no impact in TX unless Rangel hangs on until October and the major allegations come to fruition by then, IMO. By themselves the other two are clown distractions. The Chair of Ways and Means as a tax scofflaw is, on the other hand, an outrage. He should have resigned as Chair a long time ago. He may have resigned his Chair soon enough for election purposes. However, when another shoe drops for Rangel, the timing will be important. All other bad news for Ds can be heaped on the Rangel tax evasions for campaign purposes, and Charlie might consider resigning his seat in Congress sooner rather than later.

If #3 was a "push" poll it should be said. CC implies that it is part of the huge industry push against universal health care, from which I infer a push poll. The newsworthiness then is the extensiveness of the industry lobby efforts, not the actual polling results. This should be made clear if it is the case, and I think it is what CC meant.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 10, 2010 7:04 AM | Report abuse

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