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Organizing for America's big test

1. Organizing for America, the organization within the Democratic National Committee intended to capture the energy of President Obama's 2008 campaign and advocate for his legislative agenda, is ramping up its efforts to push for passage of the health care bill before the White House's March 18 deadline.

"Each day until the vote, we'll feature a powerful new way for OFA supporters to speak out in our communities and weigh in directly with Congress," wrote David Plouffe, Obama's 2008 campaign manager, in an email to OFA supporters. Day one's goal is to educate people about what's in the health care bill (and, more importantly, what's not), a recognition that, to date, the White House has lost the messaging battle around the bill. Among the ways in which OFA will try to do that: a "simple summary" of the bill and a fact sheet on the specific, positive changes the bill will put in place. (Obama sought to do a bit of educating on the bill in his own right during a fundraiser Wednesday night for Sen. Claire McCaskill in Missouri: "We are coming to a final vote in Congress, and that's when folks in Congress, they get nervous," the president said. "The Washington echo chamber is deafening, and it tells members of Congress to think about politics instead of what's right.")

The OFA push is a real test of the organization's persuasive abilities within the party. The House vote looks like it will be decided by a small margin, with a number of Democrats publicly -- and privately -- on the fence about the legislation. OFA, according to its defenders, was built for exactly this sort of situation. But, there are lingering questions in the Democratic operative community about whether or not OFA has been effective in doing much of anything other than (sort of) rallying the base of the party behind Obama's priorities.

This is OFA's chance to put the whispers to rest and, to its credit, the group appears to be going all-in on health care. If the bill comes up short, the whispers about the organization's ineffectiveness will grow into shouts. If OFA can show its efforts changed minds -- or pushed a few wavering Democrats off the fence -- the group can declare a real victory. It's testing time.

2. A new Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee poll conducted in Ohio puts the 2010 Senate race at a dead heat with 37 percent for Lt. Gov. Lee Fisher (D) and 36 percent for former representative Rob Portman (R). The poll, which was conducted by Mark Mellman, showed that neither Fisher not Portman is at all well known; roughly half of the sample didn't know enough about Fisher to offer an opinion while seven in ten voters didn't recognize Portman's name.

The DSCC poll also asked voters who they blamed for the economic problems the country is facing, with 31 percent blaming "politics in Washington," 25 percent putting the blame on former president George W. Bush and 21 percent saying the fault lies with "Wall Street banks." Just eight percent said President Obama was to blame, and one percent blamed Gov. Ted Strickland (D). The DSCC poll is generally consistent with other recent data in the race including a Quinnipiac survey that showed Portman with a narrow 40 percent to 37 percent edge. Before moving on to face Portman, Fisher has to dispatch Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner in a May 4 primary.

3. Former Stamford mayor Dannel Malloy formally entered the Connecticut governor's race Wednesday, setting up an August primary fight with 2006 Senate nominee Ned Lamont.

"In so many ways, being the governor of the state of Connecticut is a little bit like being the mayor of a major United States city," said Malloy after filing his paperwork in Hartford.

Malloy came within a hair's breadth of winning the party's nod in 2006, losing to New Haven Mayor John DeStefano narrowly. DeStefano went on to lose the general election to Gov. Jodi Rell (R). With Rell retiring this fall, Democrats believe Connecticut is at the top (or close to it) of their pickup list. But, Malloy and Lamont are headed toward a contentious (and costly) primary that is sure to draw some national press due to Lamont's profile as the man who beat Sen. Joe Lieberman (I) in the 2006 Democratic primary, before losing to him in the general election. Republicans have a primary of their own, however, with Lt. Gov. Michael Fedele and former ambassador Tom Foley facing off for the nomination.

4. Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker (R) will launch the first ads of his 2010 bid for Wisconsin governor today, commercials designed to play up his "everyman image."

One ad, which will run in every market but Milwaukee, according to the campaign, features Walker speaking -- very informally -- to the camera, detailing his decision to return part of his salary because he thought the job paid too much. "My wife was like 'we're doing what?'" Walker says of the returned cash, which eventually totaled $370,000 over the course of eight years as county executive. "We believe that government spends too much and that included my salary," said Walker. "If you've had enough of government waste, let's change it together."

Walker is facing off against former representative Mark Neumann in the Republican primary though he is the clear favorite of the party establishment in Washington and Wisconsin. Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett is the odds-on Democratic nominee to replace two term Gov. Jim Doyle. Republicans view Wisconsin as well as other upper Midwestern states like Michigan, Ohio and Iowa as top pickup opportunities this fall.

5. In case you thought Democrats had cornered the market on scandals, the New York Times reported late Wednesday on emails from Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) in which he appears to be trying to drum up business for his mistress' husband. The emails "appear to undercut the senator's assertion that he did not know the work might involve congressional lobbying, which could violate a federal ban on such activities by staff members for a year after leaving government," wrote the Times' Eric Lichtblau and Eric Lipton.

The latest revelations will almost certainly pick the scab that had grown over Ensign's affair and his attempts to cover it up in recent months. The emails also raise the likelihood that the Senate Ethics Committee, which is conducting a investigation of Ensign's conduct in regards both Cyndi Hampton (his mistress) and Doug Hampton (her husband), could find that Ensign violated Senate ethics rules.

Ensign has, to date, resisted calls to resign his seat and has tried to keep the door open to a run for reelection in 2012. That prospect -- always a longshot -- seems even more unlikely given the existence of the emails.

Ensign's problems have had a significant impact on the political landscape in the state; Republicans' top recruit against Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid -- Rep. Dean Heller (R) -- decided against a race this year, a calculation influenced, according to informed sources, on the idea that Ensign won't seek reelection in 2012. ALSO READ: The debate over whether the Nevada Tea Party candidate is the real deal or a plant by Reid.

By Chris Cillizza  |  March 11, 2010; 5:47 AM ET
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Do's not matter what you say or due, we're still THE Party of NO, as in NO.

Posted by: hoser3 | March 12, 2010 1:46 AM | Report abuse

37th:

I think that's what Obama is scheming to do ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS


The Senate Parliamentarian has ruled that Obama MUST sign the Senate health care bill into law BEFORE the Senate can take up the reconciliation bill.

So, forget it folks.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Rush is not leaving. What he said was IN FIVE YEARS "if this passes and ... and all that stuff gets implemented" he will go to Costa Rica (better than Vietnam at least ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS


The Senate Parliamentarian has ruled that Obama MUST sign the Senate health care bill into law BEFORE the Senate can take up the reconciliation bill.

So, forget it folks.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse


I'm singing the background, "do-da-do".

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 11, 2010 3:34 PM
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I think we should honor Rush Limbaugh's leaving of the U.S. and change the background to "mm-mm-mm".

We could call it the Rush Limbaugh Memorial contribution to the American Songbook.

Whaddayathink?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

drivl:

Too bad he isn't moving to Uganda, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, United Arab Emirates, Sudan, or Nigeria ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I fail to see anything improper about tickling a grown man until four others jump on you. What is so bad about confrontations in the shower over politics.

all this sounds like a typical day at the Foxxy household.

As we know he stalks others at air-conditioned gyms to solicit poltical confrontations, just like Rahm. I thought the hot tub was a wise second choice.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse


ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

maybe Massa should have a tickle party with Boehner... you know, to try to win him over.

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 11, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

With all the tickling and shower scenes I thought Ped would be running down to file his candidacy by now.

Probably the fall in gold has him spooked. Trolls are having a hard time under their bridges these days. got to write several thousand lines of code before fleeing the authorites to someplace that has no extradition treaty.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Like anyone cares about Boehner's frivolous diversions. Is there anything on this earth more useless than a Republican?

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

WOO HOO!!! What did Pelosi know re: Massa, and when did she know it?

Updated 1:32 p.m.

By Ben Pershing

House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) introduced a bill Thursday calling for the House ethics committee to restart its probe of ex-Representative Eric Massa (D-N.Y.), as Republicans seek to focus attention on what Democratic leaders knew about Massa's behavior and when they knew it.

Rather than approve the measure outright, the House voted, 402 to 1, to refer the bill to the ethics committee. Rep. Chaka Fattah (D-Pa.) was the lone "no" vote, and 15 lawmakers -- many of them members of the ethics panel -- voted "present."

Though technically the panel is now under no obligation to act, it is likely the committee will follow the instructions laid out in Boehner's resolution.

The bill directs the ethics committee "to investigate fully ... which House Democratic leaders and members of their respective staffs had knowledge prior to March 3, 2010 of the aforementioned allegations concerning Mr. Massa, and what actions each leader and staffer having any such knowledge took after learning of the allegations." The measure orders the panel to report its findings by June 30.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm singing the background, "do-da-do".

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 11, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Jake would probably prosecute us if we won a bet.

==

no he'd weasel out with some wordplay and a liddle winky and a if anyone wants ... let me know. He's a dishonest sack of s hit.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse


37,

Yeah, I have the answer -- but I'm not going to tell you.

You'll just have to read the 2,400 page bill like every other good American should!

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 11, 2010 3:02 PM
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We need to get together and put all our voices together and sing that famous Beetles song to 37th:


Listen,
Do you want to know a secret?,
Do you promise not to tell?, whoa oh, oh.

Closer,
Let me whisper in your ear,
Say the words you long to hear,
I'm in love with you.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

37,

Yeah, I have the answer -- but I'm not going to tell you.

You'll just have to read the 2,400 page bill like every other good American should!

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 11, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Noa wrote This wager stuff is all good fun but anyone who thinks JakeD would (or could) pay up on a debt has to be terribly TERRIBLY naive.
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Few, very, very few are THAT naive. We're just concentrating on the fun part.

Jake would probably prosecute us if we won a bet.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Ped, done tickling for the day. no luck in the shower?

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse


12BarBlues

ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse


SamanthaAdams


ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

37th,

Do you feel like a voice crying in the wilderness?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

37 says: "The topic here is Obama's communiciations problems."

Yeah, Obama is such a terrible orator.

Don't we all pine for the good ol' days of Dubya and his brilliance and his eloquonce?

With The Sneer of Cheney at his side, Dubya twisting and contorting the English language into new and exotic forms. Those were the days!

He shouldn't have called himself "The Decider" or even "The Commander Guy"; he should have dubbed himself "The Creator". Oh, but that might have been a problem with the religious right -- never mind!

Was it not exhilirating to watch Dubya swimming in his own syntax, unable to exit the same paragraph he entered?

And this guy, Obama, with all his high faluttin' big words, sound logic and good grammar... who does he think he is anwyay?

He probably is Kenyan!

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 11, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

This wager stuff is all good fun but anyone who thinks JakeD would (or could) pay up on a debt has to be terribly TERRIBLY naive.

I mean, this is the guy who can't even take responsibility for his own typos.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The topic here is Obama's communiciations problems.


ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????


.


SERIOUSLY FOLKS HOW MANY DEMOCRATS ARE HERE???


If the democrats on this blog can not answer that question, then OBAMA HAS FAILED COMPLETELY.


.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Bondosan:

Are you still around?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Intrade has the odds of Democrats retaining control of the House at 57%.

The odds of Republicans taking control of the House are 46%.

http://www.intrade.com/index.jsp?request_operation=trade&request_type=action&selConID=639642

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Intrade puts the odds of Democrats retaining control of the Senate at 67%.

The odds of Republicans taking control of the Senate are at 21%.

http://www.intrade.com/index.jsp?request_operation=trade&request_type=action&selConID=639642

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

if you had basic knowledge of political theory, you would know Socialists are not liberals.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I see. so your main issue with me is that I don't understand the distinction between socialist and liberal.

I thought you liberals, I mean progressives, I mean socialists, I mean communists, I mean Obamabots ( I indeed do fail to see the difference) liked renaming things without changing the content in the least.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The topic here is Obama's communiciations problems.


ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????


.


SERIOUSLY FOLKS HOW MANY DEMOCRATS ARE HERE???


If the democrats on this blog can not answer that question, then OBAMA HAS FAILED COMPLETELY.


.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

good one, shrinky!

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 11, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

37th is finally going to get out of his dorm room and burn some couches down on M Street.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Nice manifesto Samantha!

"I am the opposite of the Tea Partiers."

Have you joined the Coffee Party?

coffeepartyusa.com/

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

No one has to trust anyone.

Anyone who wants to bet on the alleged Republican sweep-in to total power in both houses of Congress, can go long or short on Intrade. The odds are built into the price.

Of course, making money on Intrade is just making money.

Taking money from Jake is priceless.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Chris


Hoyas beat Syracuse !!!!

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Who likes that our US Navy is the most powerful navy in the history of mankind?

...protecting our commerce and our shores.

Who likes that our Nuclear Forces are second to none?

Absolutely no one on this planet can take us out. I know, Ruussia is close, maybe down the road China. Al-Qaeda cannot bring us down. C'mon!!! They are tsi-tsi flies attacking a Lion.

Who likes that we have the FDA helping to insure that our food is safe to eat? Unlike pre-Progressive days.

Who likes that we have police forces keeping the streets safer for us?

Who likes that we have firemen on the watch?

Who on this board is getting Social Security checks?

This list could go on and on. The point is you like and want Big Government. That includes you Hannity and Rush.

The people who argue against "Big Government" are the same ones who love (think Freud) our big guns in the Navy and our Big Nukes and our tough, Special Forces.

If you really want to reduce the deficit. Cut Defense. Cut Social Security.

That'll make a big dent.

Raise taxes -- a lot -- on the rich (I define "rich" as couples making more than a mil a year or singles more than 500K).

Tax gasoline -- a lot. Tax cigarettes more. Tax liquor. Tax everything that is harmful to our health and everything that makes us more energy dependent.

But give Tax Credits to American companies that innovate: make the R & D Tax Credit permanent and more fruitful (Canada has a great R & D credit).

Give large tax breaks to American companies that create jobs. The "hiring zones" in California are a good start.

Put a tariff on goods coming from China.

We -- in the near future -- are going to need to have some BALLS. We are going to have to cut popular programs and we are going to have to raise taxes.

Bush cutting taxes on the rich and starting two wars is "fiscal insanity". This is not the Repubs I followed under Goldwater.

So...

Stop with the anti-governemt tirades.

We NEED the government to step in and insure 30,000,000+ more Americans. The private sector won't do it.

We NEED the government to step in and slow down the profit hungry insurance companies from being indirectly responsible for killing Americans. Leave it to the marketplace? Read Upton Sinclair's novel, "The Jungle", and then tell me about leaving it to the marketplace.

To big business, profits matter, people are second.

Yes, we need a Public Option. That will come later. Right now we need to pass this bill -- and we will -- but it is only the beginning.

I am the opposite of the Tea Partiers. I am FOR fiscal responsibility. But we need to take care of our own -- we will pass this health reform legislation.

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 11, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Sliding sideways, eh Jake?
We don't have to trust,
we can use escrow,
since bookies are illegal.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

That was strange.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Zouk, bobby was trying to say, if you had basic knowledge of political theory, you would know Socialists are not liberals.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

drivl, every time you speak you seem to have a need to insult people - I served as a Russian Voice Intercept US Army - I was taught and continue to believe people who so not serve in the military who are medically capable of serving are the ones not paying their debt for freedom.

According to you every liberal who has died in battle did not pay their debt.

Why are you so opposed to rational and critical thinking?

Posted by: bobbywc | March 11, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

shrink2:

I don't trust either of you (who knows maybe Bondosan will?).

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

shrink2:

I don't trust either of you (perhaps Bondosan will, who knows?).

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Everyone knows liberals don't pay their debts. they get others to pay them.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I'll take it!

Rs win majorities of both houses on 11/2, I'll give you $10,000. If they don't, you give me $1000. Or to the charity of the bet winner's choice (I won't choose Planned Parenthood, NARAL etc. and you don't choose their antipode, ok?), either way.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues:

I don't trust you to pay up . . .

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 1:55 PM
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Too bad.

Maybe I'll take part of Bondo's bet.

Maybe Bondo trusts me . . .

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues:

I don't trust you to pay up . . .

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

we all know what it was about - it was about torture.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

you seem to live in your own little world.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Bondosan:

I am talking about 10:1 odds (it's "betting" terminology).

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 1:45 PM
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Bondo,

If Jake's going to give you 10:1, I'd take those odds in a heartbeat.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Bondosan:

I am talking about 10:1 odds (it's "betting" terminology).

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Drvil, if you had minumum knowledge of political theory a scialist is anything but a lib.

Again you simply want to confuse the issue and impose policy into interpretation.

When the Puerto Rican Liberation Army was bombing NY they got trials - for example -

No one is arguing that you cannot kill your opponent in the course of battle - that was just pathetic.

You seem oblivious to the idea that there is nothing in the constitution which exempts access to the rights because the crime you are charged with was committed outside the US - it is not there -

all it says is, if you are charged with a crime.

If you are going to see these terrorists as engaging in acts of war against the US then treat them as prisoners of war - it may be true that the Geneva Convention needs to be modernized, but Bush could have handled this by simply putting them in prisoner of war camps - we all know what it was about - it was about torture.

On that issue the argument is always stupid - do we waterboard if it can save a million people? Okay, does the answer became no if the questions is, do we castrate if we can save a million people?

Posted by: bobbywc | March 11, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I think barry is about to have his clintonian moment.

"When I said one thin dime, I meant exactly one thin dime. ten trillion is not one thin dime".

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Not quite sure what odds you're talking about Jake. Either the Republicans retake the House and Senate or they don't.

Posted by: Bondosan | March 11, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday the CBO stated the HC piece of crap would ADD TRILLIONS to the deficit; now only 24 hours later, the crap will SAVE in the end.


And we're supposed to believe ANYTHING these Dbags say? This is a damned shame the way they play Americans like flutes.


They keep talking about how much they will CHANGE through reconcilliation; YET- they know that Beginning on page 1,000 of the measure, Section 3403 reads in part: ". it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection."


In other words, if President Barack Obama signs this measure into law, no future Senate or House will be able to change a single word of Section 3403, regardless whether future Americans or their representatives in Congress wish otherwise!!

So these psychopathic megalomaniacal, low budget ELITISTS want to control how America runs FOR ALL TIME!! Eeven if their lofty ideas don't work, they want to ensure that America is turned FOREVER into a Socialist Democracy.


And if this is okay to FREEDOM LOVING AMERICANS, then you need to move to Greenland, and take all of the wombats, ESPECIALLY that TERRORIST himself ObamaKRAUT, and allow him to RULE over you THERE. NOT HERE.


I hope this sack of S either falls dead at 1600 hrs behind his unwarranted desk, or behind the podium. I hate him, and I hate every American who supports him. You too, are pathetic, dependent, apathetic, lazy, unambitious, goal-less, and PARASITES!!!


It's the PARASITES in society that want this thing to pass, along with all of the elitist socialists, who feel that middle class America enjoys too many frivolities. This is NOT G.Britain. This is NOT the USSR, and this is NOT China.


He should have tested his lofty ideas out on a smaller island of test dummies, before trying to take on Americans, the damned Indonesian Kenyan DRONE.


When representatives can be bought, threatened, coerced, blackmailed into voting on something, it's time to get out the guns. Voices they may ignore; bullets they will feel.

Posted by: obamaalmighT | March 11, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

If the democrats on this blog can not answer that question, then OBAMA HAS FAILED COMPLETELY.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 1:22 PM

My eight year old does this all the time. When he argues with his six year old brother, he always tries to make up rules of debate which allow him to claim he's winning. It's so cute.

37thand0street would appear to be a dead end.

Posted by: bidalah | March 11, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

you Libs don't seem to read very well. the Geneva convention is designed for uniformed actors of a state.

If you are out of uniform, you are a spy and deserve to be shot, which is what the US has done with sabateurs for centuries, including several Germans in the 40s.

Now, until a person clears customs, they are not actually in the US. an airliner above us is still international space and not subject to US laws.

Likewise any invaders of the country are not protected under our law, they get killed like all invaders. think the Brits in 1776 and 1812, the Mexicans after that.

At the bottom of this is the fact that we are not in Geneva land any longer. If you fight without a uniform and for some nebulous entity, (and if you fight among civilians as protection especially) you are not a soldier, you are a spy or something else. but you are not afforded any protection.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

If the democrats on this blog can not answer that question, then OBAMA HAS FAILED COMPLETELY.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 1:22 PM
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OK, the democrats on this blog can not answer that question, whatever your question is.

So what are you going to do about it?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 11, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Bondosan:

What kind of odds will you give me?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"the foul mouthed rotten tempered dribbl appears to interject a slice of malignant lunacy.
and a lefty cut and paste of course."


LOL -- yeah, I'd guess he's a meth burnout. too bad about your chronic unemployment -- no doubt you're freeloading off the government you profess to hate so much.

interesting how many of these government haters are unemployed losers, isn't it?

Posted by: drindl | March 11, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

The topic here is Obama's communiciations problems.


ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????


.


SERIOUSLY FOLKS HOW MANY DEMOCRATS ARE HERE???


If the democrats on this blog can not answer that question, then OBAMA HAS FAILED COMPLETELY.


.


.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Jake,
I'm one of the lucky ones, better off if health care "reform" does not pass and better off if it does.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Jake:

You want to bet that Republicans will take both houses of congress?

Yes, I'll take that bet.

Posted by: Bondosan | March 11, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Beginning on page 1,000 of the measure, Section 3403 reads in part: ". it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection."


In other words, if President Barack Obama signs this measure into law, no future Senate or House will be able to change a single word of Section 3403, regardless whether future Americans or their representatives in Congress wish otherwise!!


Note that the subsection at issue here concerns the regulatory power of the Independent Medicare Advisory Board (IMAB) to "reduce the per capita rate of growth in Medicare spending."

That is precisely the kind of open-ended grant of regulatory power that effectively establishes the IMAB as the ultimate arbiter of the cost, quality and quantity of health care to be made available to the American people. And Reid wants the decisions of this group of unelected federal bureaucrats to be untouchable for all time.


No wonder the majority leader tossed aside assurances that senators and the public would have at least 72 hours to study the text of the final Senate version of Obamacare before the critical vote on cloture.


And no wonder Reid was so desperate to rush his amendment through the Senate, even scheduling the key tally on it at 1 a.m., while America slept.

True to form, Reid wanted to keep his Section 3403 poison pill secret for as long as possible, just as he negotiated his bribes for the votes of Senators Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Bernie Sanders of Vermont behind closed doors.

The final Orwellian touch in this subversion of democratic procedure is found in the ruling of the Reid-controlled Senate Parliamentarian that the anti-repeal provision is not a change in Senate rules, but rather of Senate "procedures." Why is that significant?

Because for 200 years, changes in the Senate's standing rules have required approval by two-thirds of those voting, or 67 votes rather than the 60 Reid's amendment received.

Reid has flouted two centuries of standing Senate rules to pass a measure in the dead of night that no senator has read, and part of which can never be changed. If this is not tyranny, then what is?


Posted by: PanhandleWilly | March 9, 2010 6:16 PM

Posted by: obamaalmighT | March 11, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Back to what Pelosi knew, and when did she know it, the following excuse didn't work for Hastert last time around, so I just want to see some consistency:

“There had been a rumor, but just that, no formal notification to our office that anything — a one-, two-, three-person-removed rumor that had been reported to Mr. Hoyer’s office that had been reported to my staff, which they didn’t report to me, because, you know what? This is rumor city. Every single day there are rumors.
I have a job to do and not to be the receiver of rumors."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34237_Page2.html#ixzz0htRJ0P5H

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

If I told you that the dollar is up, gold is down, and profits are powerful, would you be bullish or bearish?

Well if you are Ped, and your stash of troll gold under the bridge is dwindling, and the corrupt officials from the communist party are coming back next monday for their taste, you may have to get back to work and stop blogging all day long. all because economics is just too magical to understand.

dribbl, on the other hand has little choice. Capitalism does not suit her in the least, the voluntary nature of an employer paying her for her work just did not work out.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Washington Times publishes anti-health care reform op-ed by "Obama's second cousin once removed."
March 11, 2010 6:33 am ET by Media Matters staff

From Dr. Milton R. Wolf's March 11 Washington Times op-ed:

Imagine if, like physicians, politicians were personally held to the incredibly high level of scrutiny that includes civil and financial liability for any unintended consequence of their decisions. Imagine if they were forced to spend tens of thousands of dollars each year on malpractice insurance and still faced the threat of multimillion-dollar lawsuits with every single decision they made. If so, a government takeover of health care would be the furthest thing from their minds.

[...]

I have personally trained and practiced in both the government-run and free-market segments of American medicine. The difference is vast. Patients see this for themselves, and this may be why, according to a recent CNN poll, they oppose Obamacare nearly 3 to 1. I am with them. It is difficult for me to speak publicly against the president on his central issue, but too much is at stake.

I wish my cousin Barack the greatest of success in office. But I feel duty-bound to rise in opposition to Obamacare. I must take a stand for my patients, my profession and, ultimately, my country. The problems caused by government will not be solved by growing government. Now that this new era of big-government takeovers has spread to our health care system, it's not just our freedoms or our wallets that are at stake. It's our lives.

Dr. Milton R. Wolf is a radiologist in Kansas. He is Barack Obama's second cousin once removed. President Obama's great-great grandfather, Thomas Creekmore McCurry, is Dr. Wolf's great-grandfather. Dr. Wolf's mother, Anna Margaret McCurry, was five years older than Mr. Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham. The two were childhood friends until the Dunhams moved from Kansas to Seattle in 1955.

Posted by: obamaalmighT | March 11, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Drivl when you make statements that progessive liberals support constitutional rights for terrorists and that we oppose rights for corporations you show your true colors - facts mean nothing propoganda means everything.

first of all I may be the most left wing person here - I am a classically trained socialist and stand by my beliefs - they are complex and not so simple as "the Soviet Union failed" I do not even attempt to reason with people who make such stupid statements - they obviously have no knowledge of the theory or the political history of the Soviet Union.

that aside - the 1st Amendment
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech."

I can see no where in this language which states it is limited to people - which is why in substance I supported the Supreme Court decision - the problem with our courts and you is, you want to interpose policy with how the constitutional should be viewed.

the 6th Amendment

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense."

I can find no language in this Amendment which indicates the authors intended that it not be extended to everyone charge with a crime.

Your side is simply imposing policy concerns into yur interpretation of the Amendment - this is activism.

Your agrument also fails because when you call them terrorists you presume they are guilty - this is the role of the jury - not you - if they are guilty it is because the evidene says they are guility - guess what dude - evidence means due process.

The problem is Bush played games with the Geneva Convention and that is why we are in this mess - if they are caught on the battle field are causght attacking or planning to attack our government then put them in prisoner of war camps and be done with it - the law is clear on this issue - no trials for prisoners of war - just prisoner of war camps

Posted by: bobbywc | March 11, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

shrink2:

I'll take that as a "no". Have a nice life (hopefully sans Obamacare stimulus bill to the healthcare industry ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

the foul mouthed rotten tempered dribbl appears to interject a slice of malignant lunacy.
and a lefty cut and paste of course.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

The Supremes decided surely the founders would have, so they conferred first amendment protections to corporate political agendas.

This is an example of judicial activism. I don't worry about judicial activism, times change and so do social conditions and values. And neither does the right worry about judicial activism, when it suits their agendas. But I couldn't care less whether it is an American CEO buying American politicians or a Ferengi, that is beside the point. Pay to play has always been the American way, but at least we used to pretend it was bad.


Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

What did Pelosi know, and when did she know it?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34237.html

As for the House Ethics Committee declining to further investigate Eric Massa because he has resigned, that didn't stop the same Committee from further investigating Mark Foley when he resigned. COVER UP!!!

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

The health-care-reform bill that Senate Democrats passed last Christmas Eve, for instance, would drain $464.6 billion from Medicare’s coffers to underwrite Obamacare.

However, if “these Medicare cuts are improving the solvency of Medicare,” Rep. Paul Ryan (R., Wis.) explained, “then you can’t use that money to spend on the creation of another government program.” Ryan, the House Budget Committee’s top Republican, said on February 28’s Fox News Sunday: “You can’t count it both for paying benefits and reducing the deficit.”

The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office likewise warned last December 23 that Obamacare’s putative savings “would be received by the government only once, so they cannot be set aside to pay for future Medicare spending and, at the same time, pay for current spending on other parts of the legislation or on other programs. . . . To describe the full amount of [Hospital Insurance] trust fund savings as both improving the government’s ability to pay future Medicare benefits and financing new spending outside of Medicare would essentially double-count a large share of those savings and thus overstate the improvement in the government’s fiscal position.”

Consequently, Sen. Jeff Sessions (R., Ala.) predicts: “Taxpayers will be left holding billions in debt bonds to the Medicare Trust Fund that must be repaid.”

The Senate’s Obamacare bill would take $52 billion in anticipated Social Security revenues and divert them to offset Obamacare’s overall net cost. But wait: Those who have been promised future Social Security payments expect that $52 billion to be available to prevent their pension checks from bouncing. These $104 billion in political pledges cost only $52 billion.


where is that liberal finance whiz who was so concerned with proper accounting?

you all understand that 'liberal finance whiz' is contradictory on its face?

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

just more of the same rightwing idiocy margaret...dumb and gettng dumber all the time.

Idiocracy is achieved.

this place is a sh*thole.

it appears that zoukie and 37 are locked in a death match to see who can post more maniacally and often. you think they're both methheads? the braindeadedness fits the profile.


'Thanks for the link to the CNN post about the Nevada race (#5). It reminds us just how well-oiled the Republican brain can be:

"Ask Republicans in Nevada. Some are accusing Jon Scott Ashjian, a new Tea Party candidate running for U.S. Senate, of being a fake. The allegation? He was put in the race by agents of Senate Majority leader Harry Reid to siphon votes from the GOP.

"No doubt about it", says Danny Tarkanian, one of the many Republican senate candidates hoping to challenge Reid in November. "Nobody in the Tea Party knows who he is. He didn't know any of the principles of the Tea Party," Tarkanian tells CNN. He even accuses "Harry Reid's staff, campaign, whatever" of picking Ashjian because he's Armenian, as is Tarkanian. He explains, "They know the Armenians are very close they'll vote for each other."

I thought the idea behind the TP was that they wanted to go back to politically inexperienced citizen-pols. Many of their candidates have come from off the establishment grid. And the Armenian conspiracy thing is silly and insulting. The TP candidate sees a weak GOP field and has stepped into a primary that is going to be wide open. What else is new?"

Posted by: drindl | March 11, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I keep on asking the same question - no answers - the democrats do not know the answer.

How about this one:


HOW exactly does Obama's bill LOWER premiums - and don't say "competition on the exchange" - there is competition out there already.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse


The topic here is Obama's communiciations problems.


ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????


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SERIOUSLY FOLKS HOW MANY DEMOCRATS ARE HERE???


If the democrats on this blog can not answer that question, then OBAMA HAS FAILED COMPLETELY.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

No, bobbywc, I already said I agreed with you "drop[ping] the entire healthcare debate now" would work for me too : )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Last week, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Roberts criticized Chairman Zero for his unstatesmanlike conduct in slamming the SCOTUS during the State of the Union address.


Roberts's criticism was mild compared to, just to name one example, Fortney "Pete" Stark claiming President Bush enjoyed watching soldiers' heads get blown off. But to the Nutroots left, any criticism of Dear Reader is not to be tolerated (unless you're from the left and demand the immediate nationalization of health care). Like their Soviet heroes, the left regards criticism of their Maximum Leader as proof positive of insanity. Glenn Greenwald --- the leftist blogger most famous for sock-puppeting other blogs to praise himself --- says that Roberts's criticism "approaches pathological levels of vanity and entitlement."

Meanwhile, at Legion of Doom Headquarters the Huffington Post, they wonder if Roberts's rebuke of the Party Chairman is evidence of psychological problems.


Roberts' apparently deep sense of injury over being criticized, the evident insecurity he feels notwithstanding his awesome power and the frankly stunningly simplistic nature of his reasoning (at least when it comes to race and affirmative action) are likely not play-acting. They provide a revealing and, I would dare say, troubling window onto the soul of the man who may head our high court for the next generation.

Granny Clampett impersonator Harry Reid (D-NV) also slammed Chief Justice Roberts.


"Do you think John Roberts knows or cares how people get elected?" the Nevada Democrat said at a meeting of liberal bloggers. With all nine justices having been drawn from the lower courts, the Supreme Court lacks understanding of the practical impact of its decisions, Mr. Reid said

In other words, Granny is outraged that some on the Supreme Court (4 out of 9) actually believe in following the law, not making it up as they go along in order to advance a leftist agenda.

For what it's worth, Chairman Zero was also absolutely wrong when he claimed in the SOTU that the Supreme Court had overturned 100 years of precedent and would allow foreign companies to influence US Elections. But the left needs to claim that's what they object to because their real agenda --- that the Federal Government should regulate political speech to the benefit of the progressive left --- doesn't poll well.

Progressive leftist believe foreign terrorists are entitled to Constitutional Rights, but American companies aren't.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

shrink2:

Do you still need that explaination, in detail, of how Obama lied to Congress? I seem to recall that it was such a big deal when GWB was accused of doing that ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

jakeD, your approach is always the ame - insult and belittle anyone who does not agree with you - this is not critical thinking - it is evidence of insecurity in your argument.

I asked the question so we could extend the discussion -

yes Obama and the Dems messed up big time with the special deals - yes, and I realize this makes me fit for commitment to a mental health hospital - but it is not clear to anyone who he abortion issue is going to be handled - which ia a very valid concern - it is not clear whether or not all of the give aways are going to be removed - which is a valid concern -

so you see jake your very opposition to the Senate Bill and no one knowing for sure how the final bill will handle these issues is why I am saying I have no idea what is in the Bill -

But jake you attack for no reason other than to attack - there are rational arguments to oppose the Senate Bill - and according to you I am clueless for wanting to know how these issues are going to be handled before forming a final opinion.

Posted by: bobbywc | March 11, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse


The topic here is Obama's communiciations problems.


ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????


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SERIOUSLY FOLKS HOW MANY DEMOCRATS ARE HERE???


If the democrats on this blog can not answer that question, then OBAMA HAS FAILED COMPLETELY.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

As we're nearing a possible vote on ObamaCare, it might serve to remind you Patriots, and you Nanny-State Progs, about the wonders of healthcare around the world.

ITALY: Need a mammogram? You'll be able to get plenty done in the meantime -- the average wait is 70 days.
GREAT BRITAIN: About 20 percent of patients with treatable colon cancer at the time of discovery are considered incurable by the time treatment is finally available.
CANADA: The Canadian Supreme Court ruled that the government must stop restricting the private sector from providing health care when the national system (frequently) fails. Chief Justice Beverly McLachlin wrote "Access to a waiting list is not access to healthcare."
FRANCE: French workers pay about 19% of earnings in taxes for health insurance and yet still more than 90% purchase complimentary private insurance.
GREECE: Analysts believe Greece needs about 5,000 general practitioners to meet demand. They currently have about 600. The lack of doctors is so bad that it's common for patients to offer bribes for appointments.
MASSACHUSETTS: "Universal health care will help cure our overcrowded emergency rooms!" the politicians claimed. Wrong. After it was implemented, patient visits actually rose by 7 percent between 2005 and 2007 and costs rose by 18 percent.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh, trouble in river city... tyranny notwithstanding, all power flows from the barrel of a gun and now we will see the struggle for control of the security apparatus, which will in turn become a struggle involving the security apparatus.

We will see if Democracy can be forced on people or we will have seen the last of purple fingers in Mesopotamia.


"Maliki Holds Edge in Iraq, but Results Are Challenged
By MARC SANTORA 5 minutes ago
Protests by opponents of the prime minister appeared to delay the announcement of the preliminary results and could undermine public acceptance of the outcome."

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - so you want to use Democracy Corp as a valid source - I am looking for that poll - still cannot find it - there is always more to a poll than someone's conclusory statement about the poll.

Now according to this same source you seem to be all that - PO has changed in Obama's favor on HC reform - is the source now just bogus. For the record - i am still looking for that poll also - because again - I never trust anyone's conclusory interpretation of any poll.

http://www.democracycorps.com/polling/

Posted by: bobbywc | March 11, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON – The House has voted to impeach a federal judge from Louisiana. A House Judiciary Committee task force charged District Judge G. Thomas Porteous Jr. with a long-standing pattern of corruption.

The first of four impeachment articles was approved Thursday, 412-0. The second passed 410-0.

The case goes to trial in the Senate, where a two-thirds vote is needed to convict Porteous of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Porteous was accused of taking cash from lawyers and gifts from a bail bondsman; lying to the Senate and the FBI to win confirmation; and making false statements in his bankruptcy proceedings to hide financial problems and gambling debts.

If convicted in the Senate, Porteous would become the eighth federal judge in U.S. history to be impeached and convicted.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


No mention that bill clinton appointed him in the AP article. you can always tell its a Dem when they don't mention it.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

bobbywc:

I don't "have to" admit anything; my source for 99% is the total page count -- there's no way the "reconciliation" change will be longer than 50 pages. As for what I don't like about the Senate version, I think I included some of those objections to the mandate and Cornhusker Kickback (below), and there are plenty more. My own personal opposition (and that of Rep. Stupak) is that the Senate version allows federal funding to go to insurance plans that cover abortion. Any more questions?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

*sigh*

Is there a Schoolhouse Rock on repealing laws?

Posted by: DDAWD | March 11, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Incidentally, I should find out what Congressman Cao, my rep, is going to do. I'm pretty sure he's going to vote no. He's pretty stuck on the whole abortion thing. He's a long shot to get re-elected, but this will probably seal his fate. Of course, he probably realizes he's screwed and will vote his conscious.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 11, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD:

Perhaps you missed the news that Sen. Scott Brown took Ted Kennedy's seat AFTER that vote, along with all the polling against Obamacare? You are further behind the curve than bobbywc . . .

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

jake you are amazing, when the bill was incomplete the first time around you and all the other republicans were yellling - how do we support a bill when it is not even complete?

I agreed with that position - you can argue all your want but you could not find a final bill which tells us what is in the bill - that is my point - you cannot find it and have to admit the Senate Bill will be change - what is your source for 99% - just your frustration that reality was pointed out and you did not like it.

And for the record, I am on record as opposing any Bill which does not include a public option. the Senate Bill does not have a public option. If it stays that way such as you seem to believe, what exactly do you object to in the bill?

Posted by: bobbywc | March 11, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse


The topic here is Obama's communiciations problems.


ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????


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SERIOUSLY FOLKS HOW MANY DEMOCRATS ARE HERE???


If the democrats on this blog can not answer that question, then OBAMA HAS FAILED COMPLETELY.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Ped, shouldn't you be off tickling a grown man until four others jump on you?

Or maybe in the shower with no curtain, sitting down and seeing who drops by?

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

lol@jamming Obamacare down our throats. Yeah, 60 Senators passing a bill, oh the humanity!

Posted by: DDAWD | March 11, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Bondosan:

Want to bet on that too?

BTW: did you hear the latest "proposal" from Rep. Slaughter, and do you think it will fly with the public?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

shrink2:

I am not joking.

bobbywc:

Try Google "Senate healthcare bill" (as you just admitted, that is supposed to be based in toto, with some other "reconciliation" bill, so 99% of what you want to know is in the Senate version, the other 1% is somewhere in the House version which is what Pelosi and Hoyer are scrambling on as we type). Who doesn't know what about Obamacare again?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

This is liberalism:

President Obama promised a turn toward fiscal discipline in his State of the Union Address. But his new budget doesn't just plan on more deficit spending for a year, followed by austerity. Rather, it actually increases deficits in each of the next ten years over what he'd planned for in last year's budget.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Jake:

"Jamming Obamacare down our throats."

Obviously, you took your RTPP* today.

"If the GOP win both Houses of Congress in November, I would expect Obama gets a healthcare bill that he will promptly veto."

If the GOP win both Houses of Congress in November (they won't win either, but you can dream on), there won't be health care reform of any kind for about 30 years at least.


*Republican Talking Points Pill

Posted by: Bondosan | March 11, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse


The topic here is Obama's communiciations problems.


ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????


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SERIOUSLY FOLKS HOW MANY DEMOCRATS ARE HERE???


If the democrats on this blog can not answer that question, then OBAMA HAS FAILED COMPLETELY.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

According to a poll conducted in late February and released this week by Democracy Corps-Third Way, Americans by a 10-point margin think that the standing of the United States has dropped under Obama — by a whopping 51 percent to 41 percent. On the question of national security, Democrats now trail Republicans by 17 percent, and on the “right-track, wrong track,” question just 31 feel the country is headed in the right directions, with a massive 62 percent registering discontent.

Democracy Corps-Third Way is a Democratic polling group headed by former Clinton adviser James Carville and Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg.

The White House lack of protocol when it comes to handling foreign leaders has been characterized by a lack of understanding of the basics of diplomacy, which makes the U.S. government seem hopelessly clumsy at best, and arrogant and insensitive at worst.


Recently the White House added a gift of cuff links given to the Dalai Lama (a man who wears only robes) to its list of the world’s worst symbolic presents. This list already included of course the president’s gifts of an iPod with his own speeches to the Queen of England and a set of non-workable videos to British Prime Minister Gordon Brown – and of course Hillary Clinton’s famously mistranslated “reset” button given to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. In addition the president has insulted the king of Norway, the president of France and the prime minister of the Czech Republic by declining invitations to break bread with them during official visits.


what a bunch of complete idiots. who said experience doesn't matter?

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

DDawd, I hope you are right - if you are it seems like a great strategy - time will tell.

As to my Congressman - we all know him all to well - he will do as he is told by the White House - the people can make a billion calls saying to vote no and he will vote yes - Obama can be assured Solomn Ortiz will be there with a yes vote

Posted by: bobbywc | March 11, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"If the GOP win both Houses of Congress in November, I would expect Obama gets a healthcare bill that he will promptly veto."

Will you be serious? We are trying to talk politics here.

Ok fine, more jokes...I wonder what the TEA people would think, if they could, about the Supremes' judicial activism? Deciding the founders would have conferred first amendment protections to corporate political agendas is hilarious.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

A top priority of the Obama presidency has been to restore the image of the United States in the world; in image allegedly left in tatters by the Bush administration. Unfortunately for the president, however, Americans by a wide margin now believe that that the United States standing in the world has not improved, but actually declined since President Obama took office.

Can anyone name one thing that barry promised that he has fullfilled? I think everyone is starting to get the feeling that when a liberal says 'A', you can pretty much expect 'Not A' to happen.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

jake you have no idea what is going on with the HC bill - yes the house will vote on the Senate Bill and then it is to be reformed to address House concerns - we still do not know how the House concerns will change the bill - but since you know - tell us how the House concerns will change the bill - please post your Internet link so we can see your source

Posted by: bobbywc | March 11, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

What does it take to knock Bill Gates off his perch as the world's richest man? How about your own telecom empire and a personal fortune worth an estimated $53.5 billion? Carlos Slim tops Forbes list of Billionaires – and he's not American.

going to be a lot of decline around the world for americans. no longer number one. Just another country, nothing special. Call it the Obama effect.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

BWC, I found Roberts to be pretty hypocritical too, but I just don't like the tyranny label. I'm not a big fan of that kind of hyperbole. It's akin with calling Obama a socialist or equating Bush with Hitler. It just serves no purpose.

As for the public option, it's not going to be in this bill. It doesn't get through reconciliation since it's not budgetary. And it's a decent bill as it is. Remember, the point of this is to control costs, not to take money away from insurance companies. While I am not a fan of giving them more money, that's not an overriding concern with me. I see a bill that lowers health care costs, that will cut off a lot of insurance company abuses, and will come close to universal health care while reducing the deficit. Having a public option would make the bill better, of course, but this bill crushes the status quo.

And one thing to keep in mind is that this bill establishes a framework for which the public option can be added to. Remember that the PO is still relatively popular and moreso than the health care bill itself. It can't be passed through reconciliation, but it can be passed on its own. It will be harder for Senators to block this kind of incremental change since it's pretty popular. I think there is a House bill already with something like that. Having the PO as a separate bill will allow for another legislative victory and force Republicans to oppose something that is popular.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 11, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

jaxas:

Your 10:12 AM comment assumes that Obama is legally President of the United States.

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you have to be one of the stupidest people in the world

Posted by: Noacoler | March 11, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

My view is simple - drop the entire healthcare debate now - focus on the economy

Posted by: bobbywc | March 11, 2010 12:09 PM

should have been done over a year ago

Posted by: doof | March 11, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

My view is simple - drop the entire healthcare debate now - focus on the economy

Posted by: bobbywc | March 11, 2010 12:09 PM

should have been done over a year ago.

Posted by: doof | March 11, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

bobbywc:

If you honestly have "no idea" what is in the Bill, I suggest that you read both the Senate and House versions (as mark_in_austin and I have when they were put on this new invention called "The Internet"). The House is currently trying to pass the Senate version, so that's where I would start reading, if I were you. OTOH "drop[ping] the entire healthcare debate now" would work for me too : )

If the GOP win both Houses of Congress in November, I would expect Obama gets a healthcare bill that he will promptly veto. Who do you think the people will blame for that?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

The topic here is Obama's communiciations problems.


ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????


.


SERIOUSLY FOLKS HOW MANY DEMOCRATS ARE HERE???


If the democrats on this blog can not answer that question, then OBAMA HAS FAILED COMPLETELY.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

jaxas:

Your 10:12 AM comment assumes that Obama is legally President of the United States.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

37th, first of all there are no polls which address how the people feel specific issues within the HC issue. I know of no one who supports forcing people to support the insurance industry - this is where Obama messed up - he had the people on this issue and sold out for what you call centrist compromise - centrist compromise only compromises the rights of he people - solutions should be geared to meaningful solutions and not political centrist compromise - that is exactly how we ended up with Bush's Medicare part D financial disaster.

Why is it great when Repubs and Reputrican talk radio use phone calls to influence Congress but when Obama does it it is a waste of time

37th you can say their are polls showing the people oppose a public option but that will not change reality.

The polls show the people are very confused. I blame Obama 100% for this - he was never clear and decisive.

I do not know if the calls will work. I do know this - I have no idea what is in the Bill - Obama seems as oblivious to the people as the republican lemmings here and elsewhere who oppose Obama as a matter of course.

My view is simple - drop the entire healthcare debate now - focus on the economy and then the use the recovery of the economy as a way to win more Senate seats. In 2011 he can then say to the Dems - see we held on and gained seats - now do HC with a public option.

The Repubs are obsessed with power that they cannot see how wrong they are - If they win in November who do they think the people will blame in 2012? the Repubs - they will be the new do nothing congress - this is the best thing which could happen to Obama and the worse for any repub running for pres in 2012

Posted by: bobbywc | March 11, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone here think that a bunch of phone calls is going to convince a Congressman to turn into a LEMMING AND GET INTO OBAMA'S TOYOTA ???


Seriously.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

No, shrink2, they should have walked straight to the Press Gallary and explained in detail how Obama had just lied to Congress.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Bondosan:

Did you hear the latest "proposal" for jamming Obamacare down our throats, this time from Rep. Slaughter? Each bill that comes before the House for a vote on final passage must be given a rule that determines things like whether the minority would be able to offer amendments to it from the floor.

In the Slaughter Solution, the rule would declare that the House "deems" the Senate version of Obamacare to have been passed by the House, completely from whole cloth. House members would still have to vote on whether to "accept the rule", but they would then be able to say in November that they only voted for a rule, not for the Senate bill itself.

Would that rationale fly with the public? Is it logical? Of course not.

How much fun will it be for Democrats representing congressional districts carried by John McCain in 2008 to be constantly reminded about the Cornhusker Kickback, the Louisiana Purchase, the Slaughter Solution, the death panels, $500 billion in cuts to Medicare, individual mandates, etc. etc.?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Chief Justice Roberts, he and Alito should have walked out...and just kept on walking, right through the reflection pool and into the Potomac.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

The topic here is Obama's communiciations problems.


ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????

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SERIOUSLY FOLKS HOW MANY DEMOCRATS ARE HERE???


If the democrats on this blog can not answer that question, then OBAMA HAS FAILED COMPLETELY.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

37th would know from astroturf...

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 11, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi knew about Massa in OCTOBER?!

As for Chief Justice Roberts, he and Alito should have walked out after those false allegations from pResident Obama.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 11, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"moonbat is here! The librarian must have told doof to let the other patrons use the computer."

LMAO.

Bobby:

I have to disagree about voting "no" if there's no public option. If HCR goes down, it goes down for a generation, which the Repubs would absolutely love.

If premiums are too high, every politician's a** will be on the line to either bring them down, or create a public option to compete.

Call your rep and tell them HCR must go through NOW.

Posted by: Bondosan | March 11, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse


The topic here is Obama's communiciations problems.


ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:

WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????


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SERIOUSLY FOLKS HOW MANY DEMOCRATS ARE HERE???

If the democrats on this blog can not answer that question, then OBAMA HAS FAILED COMPLETELY.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Roberts was responding to a question concerning the kerfuffle about Barack Obama's January address, wherein Obama criticized -- and flagrantly mischaracterized -- a recent Supreme Court decision that loosened limits on political speech. The decision neither overturned "a century of law" nor conferred an entitlement on foreign corporations to finance U.S. candidates. Nevertheless, the Democratic donkeys arrayed in front of Obama leapt onto their hind legs and brayed in unison, while the six justices who were present sat silently. Justice Sam Alito, in an act of lese majeste, appeared to mutter "not true" about Obama's untruths.

Barry is about to destroy his last stock in trade - the ridiculous notion that he is smart and was a constitutional scholar. The fraud is exposed day by day.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

bobbywc


With all due respect, having a bunch of democratic party regulars and party activists call Congress to change their votes is not going to do much.

Is it?


The polls are the polls - the polls say the moderate democrats are going to be defeated this fall if they support the health care bill - the moderates in the House have already seen their bill thrown overboard - now Obama is throwing their careers overboard.

What is the point ?

A bunch of astoturf - seems like Obama really really has NO IDEA WHAT HE IS DOING.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

House speaker's office notified in Oct. by then-Rep. Eric Massa's top aide of concerns about behavior.

Maybe she was in a CIA meeting that day.

Even these guys have figured out those enormous ears don't function as designed:

CBC: Obama not listening (Politico)
Politico - Tensions are rising as the caucus tries to stem the high unemployment rate among African-Americans.

Posted by: drivl | March 11, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

here is a great example of where government healthcare is working - if it is not then it is time the Repubs in the Senate say so instead of pandering to veterans.

CBOC

https://www.hnfs.net/va/content/cboc/index.jsp

The quality of care we receive at our CBOC in South Texas far exceeds anything you will receive at the VA hospital in San Antonio.

The VA is building these all over the country as a cost effective way to provide quality healthcare to veterans.

Why should the states not be allowed to creat CBOCs in large cities as a way to hold down medicaid costs. These doctors are salaried and are the best I have ever been seen by anywhere.

Last night I had dinner with a group of seniors who were very open about how nice the new VA CBOC clinic is and that they are moving over from medicare. To a person they said they would prefer a CBOC clinic for medicare over the current system if it meant their premiums went down.

there are solutions which are cost effect but the Republicans will oppose anything and everything as a matter of course if it means cutting into the profits of the insurance industry.

Posted by: bobbywc | March 11, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

The topic here is Obama's communiciations problems.

ANYONE HERE HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION:


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I just got an e-mail from Obama's people telling me to call my Congressman - it came through as a spam - I accidently deleted it - if someone knows how to recover a spam I will post it here so people can see how the campaign for HC reform support is going

Posted by: bobbywc | March 11, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????

It is a fundamental question.


That is the center of the problem.


Don't start listing stories - don't start talking about the abuses of insurance companies - which can be addressed through regulation.


WHAT exactly are the additional government functions which the government will take on under the health care bill ????

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

DDawd - I just saw your comment from last night - thanks for extending the discussion further - yes I agree 100% Roberts was correct in expressing his views - he was his right which I defend - it was just the double standard which I found to be dishonest.

Tyrrany may have been a bit harsh - maybe not - I am on the fence - but at least I am on the fence and considering your position.

Again thanks for using your post as a way to extend the discussion

Posted by: bobbywc | March 11, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't worry about Obama's ability to fund OFA...

Posted by: DDAWD | March 11, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

DDAWD


So is your logic it is better to spend money on a worthless organization than not spending money on a worthless organization.

In any event, the premise of Chris's piece is that somehow OFA is supposed to play some role in helping the health care bill get passed.


It isn't working - the problem is at the White House - the problem is Obama - the problem is the agenda itself -


Perhaps the reason Obama doesn't want to explain EXACTLY WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO DO UNDER HIS BILL is that people have a negative reaction to the expanded government powers.

Well, if that is the case, then why is it in the bill ???

The democrats are trying to sneak a government role into the bill - a role that the public simply does not want.


Even during the health care summit, OBAMA WAS WOEFULLY SHORT ON SPECIFICS.

Obama and the democrats fell back on stories of people having trouble with their insurance companies - that is OK - but we are beyond that - we are at the point of evaluating solutions.


Obama really has NOT put forth a solution - he hasn't explained it.

Going up there and stating what the problem is - that is not explaining what Obama's solution is.


At this point, I don't know what is better - having the thing fail right now - or getting it passed and having the Republicans pick it apart next year.

THERE IS GOING TO BE A BIPARTISAN REVIEW OF THIS DISASTER OF A BILL.

It can either happen now - or when the Republicans are picking it apart next year.


Obama is an incompetent idiot - he has made a mess and the democrats are so protective and blind, they don't want to fix the problem with Obama - they just think that "going to the left" is the solution.

It is not - it is idiocy - it is the stuff that people say on the streets getting ready for a march - it is not policy.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I got a call last night from my precinct chair for the Dems. He asked that I call our Congressman to tell him to support the HC Bill - I told him since we do not know what is in it, it would be hard for me to support.

I have told our Congressman that if there is no Public OPtion I expect him to vote no.

A compromise which forces people to buy private health insurance from corporations with a 30% profit is not a compromise - it is a sell out to the lobbyist determined to bankrupt the people and this country

Posted by: bobbywc | March 11, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

moonbat is here! The librarian must have told doof to let the other patrons use the computer.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 11, 2010 11:15 AM

myers i'm nice to you today. still a cranky old woman though.

Posted by: doof | March 11, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

We have bipartisan agreement on this...

"Greater transparency in the trading of over-the-counter derivatives, though some of the riskiest transactions would still be shielded from the public."

WTF!? Its riskiest transaction have to be secret or the Free Market won't work.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"doof" at 9:14 a.m. once again reveals his lack of blog-spam "tradecraft."

The taxpayers demand a refund!

***

WA-PO "OPERATION BLOG-SPAM" -- AUTHORITARIAN EXTORTION CAMPAIGN TO FORCE MAINSTREAM MEDIA TO STRICTLY 'MODERATE' BLOGS?...

...ENABLING CENSORSHIP BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT'S CONSTITUTION-SHREDDING 'SECURITY CABAL?'

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-censors-net-while-obama-lectures-china-net-censorship
http://nowpublic.com/world/how-u-s-spy-ops-censor-web-political-speech
nowpublic.com/world/true-tales-lame-u-s-govt-psy-ops-censors
NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "U.S. Uses CBS News to Cover Up..."

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 11, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

moonbat is here! The librarian must have told doof to let the other patrons use the computer.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 11, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

37. Typing idiocy is considered by dribbl to be her sole perview and reason for being. In all fairness it has been here here for years cutting and pasting mindless idiocy and considers itself the local expert.

You must apply to the idiots union if you want to be like dribbl.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 11, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Why do we need a 'fix' or why do we need somebody selling this. The healthcare bill, et al, has turned into a debacle unlike anything I've ever seen. So, how can anyone, no matter the political persuasion, in good conscience, vote for this bill. Are the Democrats so out of touch or are they just showing who or what they really are. If this is what the democratic party is all about, it's time for an overhaul.

Posted by: jimtoledo | March 11, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Poor dribbl. That "job" only lasted a few days. Back to sweeping peanuts.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 11, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

More good news.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/12/business/12regulate.html?hp

It must be better than what was in place during Bush/Cheney's lost decade, (1) the GOP hates it and (2) the banking industry is lobbying fiercely against it.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

OFA isn't there to change minds. OFA is there to mobilize Obama supporters so that they can go out and change minds. That was very effective during the 2008 campaign which is why such high expectations were placed on it to be as effective in promoting the agenda as it was in promoting the candidate. That is why Chris wrote his first point.

No, OFA hasn't been as effective in promoting the agenda as it was in promoting Obama himself, but I think that's the wrong baseline. Of course you're going to get a lot more grassroots energy during a Presidential election year than you will at other times. It's really a matter of having OFA vs not having OFA. And it's next to impossible to argue that not having OFA is preferable to having it.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 11, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Chris writes Educate the people on the health care


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Well, the health care bill is granting the federal all sorts of additional powers in the health care industry - WHAT ARE THESE FUNCTIONS - AND HOW ARE THOSE FUNCTIONS SUPPOSED TO BENEFIT PEOPLE ???


This is a fundamental question.


This point represents a basic failure on the part of Obama to communicate WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.


One step further, how in the world can communicating that be the job of OFA ???

Another step further - Obama appears to have delegated that function to democratic leaders in Congress.


What is in the bill ? In the quest to NOT take positions in individual issues in the health care bill, Obama has made a critical mistake - what is Obama for ??


The problem is deeper than what is Obama for - the problem is what does the health care bill do ?? What exactly is the government going to do ????


The Obama people keep on pointing to polls which list individual problems in the health care industry - and basically say, do you want to curb this abuse - well, yea - but they don't say HOW - these polling issues have been focus-grouped and are worthless.


Sorry, but Obama and his people are incompetent - NONE of this has been communicated.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Way back in 1852 wrote this piece in a letter to Karl Marx...

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 10:25 AM

Lenin wrote it

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 10:26 AM

people who read karl marx are socialists. people who understand karl marx are anti-socialists. try understanding him shrink

Posted by: doof | March 11, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Chris writes: Educate people on health care


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Isn't it a little late for that ???

Well having said that, let's bite a little.


WHAT IS IN THE BILL ??? Do we really know ???

OK LET'S HAVE THIS QUESTION ANSWERED:

What role is the government going to have in the health care industry under the bill - what ADDITIONAL ROLE

AND why is that good for anyone ???


They are spending all this money - WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING


They have 2000 pages - WHAT IS IN THE 2000 PAGES ????


Taking a few talking points (which come out of the focus groups - many of which ARE misleading) - just does not cut it.


For example - listing 3 abuses of the insurance companies - pre-existing conditions, dropping people, benefit limits - HOW DOES THAT JUSTIFY A MASSIVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM ???

Obama has not said how a government program spending massive amounts of money is going to curb abuse by an insurance company.

THAT IS IMPORTANT.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

ARE YOU

ON WELFARE

37?

HOW ELSE

CAN YOU SIT

AT YOUR

COMPUTER ALL DAY

AND TYPE

IDIOCY

EVERY TWO

MINUTES?

Posted by: drindl | March 11, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

337 DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING -


EVERYONE IS ASKING THEMSELVES -

WHAT ARE THEY DOING - 37's credibility has fallen - and who knows how he is going to get it back.

37 KEEPS POSTING THE SAME

NONSENSE

OVER AND OVER ALL

DAY..

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WONDER WHO

PAYS

HIS BILLS

WHILE HE TYPES

..BLITHERING IDIOCY

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ALL DAY

Posted by: drindl | March 11, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | March 11, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Obama appears to have come to the conclusion that there isn't much he can do for the economy.

Well.


If you elect a guy who has spent his life thinking about socialism - and organizing the community to achieve socialism - then how is that guy supposed to lead a capitalist society?

Socialism is not the cure for what has happened to our economy.

But socialism is all Obama knows -

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

The democrats have to come to the realization that Obama has failed them - Obama has failed to do anything he said he was going to do - and Obama is incompetent.

It is sad.

At this point, the democrats are BLOCKING serious attention on the economy.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

DDAWD


Chris ends his piece saying this:


If OFA can show its efforts changed minds -- or pushed a few wavering Democrats off the fence -- the group can declare a real victory. It's testing time.


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Perhaps that is too much to expect from an organization that just does what you say it does

The organization has been basically talking to the base.

They haven't changed any minds - I don't even know if they are targeting people who are on the other side -

This is just another part of the incompetence of Obama.

Obama DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING - EVERYONE IS ASKING THEMSELVES - WHAT ARE THEY DOING - Obama's credibility has fallen - and who knows how he is going to get it back.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Lenin wrote it

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Way back in 1852 wrote this piece in a letter to Karl Marx. The time is important because it prefigures events, horrible events which took place decades later.

The time it takes to create a substantial political party from nothing (not for example, how the Whig Party was formed from the cloth of the National Republicans) is substantial. The TEA people are clueless.

"Party struggles lend a party strength and vitality; the greatest proof of the weakness of a party is diffuseness and the blurring of clearly defined boundaries; a party becomes strong by purging itself."

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

favorite bumper sticker:

TEA PARTIES ARE
FOR LITTLE GIRLS
WITH IMAGINARY FRIENDS

Posted by: drindl | March 11, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse


Also, the idea of having Linda Douglas at the White House on health care was a bad idea.

Linda Douglas is a reporter - one who is supposed to be neutral and detached from the subject.

Instead, the Obama people think they are going to FOOL everyone - by trading on the credibility of a former ABC reporter and have Linda Douglas convince people to support a partisan health care bill.

Instead - almost everytime Linda Douglas is on - the effect is the complete opposite -

People come away wondering - why is Linda Douglas advocating for the White House position - the only thing they can think about is the confusion of a reporter taking on a partisan role. The whole purpose is lost.

This turned out to be a critical mistake on the part of Obama.


Obama really blew it - again - Obama was elected to be bipartisan - post-partisan - AND HE TURNS AROUND AND DOES THE OPPOSITE.

Obama has NOT recovered from that one act of stupidity - and there is a good chance that Obama will never recover.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Lenin for example, realized early on that the rugged individualists, the anarchists, posed no threat to the Bolsheviks. They could by definition never organize themselves in a coherent line of march. The TEA people are in that category. If they matter it will be because they have allowed their agenda to become co-opted, corrupted in fact.

There is an irreconcilable tension between self abnegation (holding your nose and voting for whatever candidate the party puts up only because s/he is not as bad as the other) and insisting your party adopt your interests, threatening to tear it apart into splintered factions. The Republican purity test and Howard Dean's early attack on health reform with no po are examples of this tension.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Well doof, on the gas price question, I see that as a good thing. The last spike in gas prices forced me into buying a Honda Fit that gets 42 MPG, and I love it! I never thought I could ever love such a small car but it is just such a cool little car and it saves me a ton on gas.

Look. The Tea Party is over. Even the GOP is taking steps to minimize the impact of the Tea Party. They have finally caught on that the Tea Party influence only helps democrats on the national level. And just look at the republicans who have been successful--other than Rick Perry, but he's in Texas, a state many of us agree with Rick Perry that maybe should secede, given its abundance of crackpots and crazies. It is a place that likes to kill Presidents.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 11, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"Chris

Is OFA a group which is designed to get the word out in the community - and raise the general numbers - or is it a lobbying group designed to get votes for health care ???"

It's definitely not a lobbying group since it's run by the Obama campaign. At least not in the Washington specific definition of the word lobbying. It's there to help Obama supporters organize to help push his agenda. To call Congressmen, organize rallies, pretty much whatever people want to do. Yeah, there are messages from up high, but it's also about maintaining the grassroots nature of the Obama agenda by being a one-stop shop for finding out what's going on at the local level.

But right now, the agenda is health care, so that is what OFA is focusing on.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 11, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

At this point, the health care debate seems to be in quiet negotiations in the House - and a job for the White House communications office - not for OFA.


To be honest, I don't know what OFA can do at this point - it sends out mass emails to supporters - big deal


That doesn't really deal with what actually has to be done.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The Tea Party is only a congregation of everyday folks who all have different opinions on things. It's a good group for discussing all sides to an issue, but they are not organized for any single cause.

As for the Health Reform issue, I've been for it or against it several times--there seems to be no true unbiased summary of the bill available to the public, anywhere! If you see a summary, be careful of how you evaluate the bill--I guarantee you, the summary is biased.

But I guess we have to have some kind of Health Reform Bill to pass. Let's do it! It can always be amended; added to; and fixed, just like any other bill! But we must have something to start with.

I've only got one, major complaint about the members of Congress, but it is a big one. THEY NO LONGER TRUELY REPRESENT THE VOTERS WHO ELECTED THEM! Their only true concerns are for big business and special interest groups.

ALL THE CURRENT INCUMBENTS OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE NEED TO BE REPLACED. Regardless of their party. That's the only way we voters might get some real representation to the government.

Posted by: bwshook1 | March 11, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Chris writes:


Day one's goal is to educate people about what's in the health care bill (and, more importantly, what's not), a recognition that, to date, the White House has lost the messaging battle around the bill.

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Well, if you have been talking about a bill for a year, and you still have to "educate" people on the bill - after how many hours of television coverage, and after how many speeches ???

The democrats have made a mess of this whole thing.

It is Obama - he is incompetent. Everyone keeps on telling him to concentrate on the economy - AND he doesn't want to do it.

Who said Obama was so smart ??

He doesn't seem so smart.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Doof, you are being highly selective in your analysis of the employment numbers. Virtually every reputable analyst is reporting that the claims numbers for the past two months have been distorted by the snowstorms on the east coast. Indeed, most of them are feeling pretty "up" now about where the jobs numbers are heading.

People are feeling more "up" as well and that is being demonstrated in some democratic poll numbers which have started to turn around in NY, in Connecticut, in Pennsylvania and Ohio. And some of those races the media and the pollsters initially thought might be a problem for democrats--like California and Michigan are not turning into quite the horse race they thought it might be.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 11, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse


drindl, make that "time to clean-up *another* R mess."

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 11, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

All these people full of generic rage at the government and hollering to throw all the bums out -- as much here in Ohio as anywhere else in the nation -- but less than half of them have bothered to learn anything about who's running for the U.S. Senate here. Sure, neither Lee Fisher nor Rob Portman is an especially exciting candidate, but still, if people are really as fired up as they say they are, you'd think they'd pay attention. Feh.

But hey, maybe they're just more focused on the race for governor. Oh wait, no. The economy is the central issue, but hardly anyone in the state blames Gov. Strickland for the economic problems (and I've seen that in several polls, not just this DSCC one), and John Kasich hasn't bothered to explain anything about what he would do as governor. So there's really nothing to go on. Awesome.

Folks, you don't need to jump all over Chris for the comment about Democrats and scandals. I don't think he's actually asserting that the Democrats are undisputed champions of the scandal circuit; he's referring to a narrative that's developed about the Democrats thanks to a series of noticeable scandals in a short span of time. If anything, I thought he was saying the opposite -- that neither party can truly be undisputed champion. You can reference any number of Republican scandals of the last few years, but don't forget that voters have astonishingly short memories, and that drives this sort of narrative more than any supposed media bias.

Posted by: GJonahJameson | March 11, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

doofus doesn't listen to much news, jaxas. she's so busy at night and just so dog-tired during the day.

Posted by: drindl | March 11, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), the lobbying juggernaut for the health insurance industry, hosted its annual conference at the Ritz Carlton this week. As a vote on health legislation nears, the industry announced yesterday that it is funding a new round of national ads aimed at killing reform. The insurance industry has attacked every version of health reform thus far, from the Senate Finance bill, to the bill that passed the House already, to measures proposed by the White House. On a call with investors, Goldman Sachs detailed how health insurers would benefit the most from not passing any health reform all."

Its annual conference at the RITZ CARLTON? Where a piece of toast costs $80? Nice work if you can get it. Your health insurance premiums go up this year? Don't feel bad... some nice CEO is using it to help pay for his yacht.

Posted by: drindl | March 11, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

And once people have their debt down to manageable levels they will start spending again

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 11, 2010 9:52 AM


did you forget about that thing called oil? it's over $80 a barrel right now in a bad economy. gas here in california is $3 a gallon already. we have 13% unemployment. any improvement in spending will be stopped by high gas prices. take us right back down the slope of unemployment. real quick.

people can't spend when gas costs $5 gallon or more.

Posted by: doof | March 11, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

37th, Of course the Democrats are watching the TP. Who isn't? And I'm sure the Republicans will provide someone else to kick around. Ensign's hienie is looking good.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 11, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

“House Democratic leaders on Wednesday banned budget earmarks to private industry,” one of the biggest steps taken yet by Congress to combat earmark corruption. “The political reality right now is that the public has lost some confidence in this institution, and one of the reasons is the past abuses of the earmark process,” said Rep. David Obey (D-WI), chairman of the House Appropriations Committee.'

time to clean up the R's mess.

Posted by: drindl | March 11, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Wow. I just watched Rubio's ad from the last thread. I had never heard him speak before and my gaydar-o-meter just went off the scale (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Noacoler, your expert opinion?

What an interesting state Florida is. Rubio and Crist trying to out-teabag each other.

Maybe they should settle it in a well-lubricated wrestling match.

Eric Massa could fly in to ref....

Posted by: Bondosan | March 11, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Doof, you've been listening to the Limbaughs and Becks who base their prognostications (you do know what that word means don't you?) on wishful thinking and partisan fantasies. The party out of power in a downturn always underestimates the strength of a recovery. They do it because they want you to think the party in power cannot govern.

The part in power also underplays the strength of the recovery because they don't want to get burned on the rare chance that the recovery does not materialize. But, at this point, it is difficult not to notice the signs that a boom is just around the corner. Inventories are almost depleted to the point that business have no choice but to start producing. Demand has been repressed because people have been paying down their debt. Demand--contrary to popular conservative myth--is thre quarters of the economy. And once people have their debt down to manageable levels they will start spending agains. Indeed, economic reports suggest that it has alredy begun. Just this morning, the unemplyment claims have gone just under 400,000--a dramatic signal that the economy has already turned and is beginning to hum.

You won't hear much about this in the media because for them the story is Massa and police car chases and whispers about Rahm's effectiveness. But, trust me. The economy is coming back and the poll numbers are starting to turn back toward the democrats, even in Pennsylvania where the media had all but written off Arlen Specter.

Democrats will lose seats in November. But, for the GOP it will be a pyrric victory because it now appears that they will not take back either House.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 11, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

hey doofus
hey, wasn't that you i saw on 11ave down in the city next to the tunnel.... pink leather shorts, halter top, waving down cars?

Posted by: drindl | March 11, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

anything from OFA on health care will fall on deaf ears. waste of their time.

heard the democrats in the house (pelosi) are working on a scheme to pass the senate bill without any vote at all. some kind of trickery involved. clearly don't have the necessary votes to pass it normally.

Posted by: doof | March 11, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

margaretmeyers


All the democrats are trying to figure out what the Tea Party is all about - then without really understanding them, the democrats start to form opinions about what they should and shouldn't be doing.

The democrats seem to have come to the belief that they have a monopoly on political activism - and the democrats are actually jealous that everyone is sick of Obama - and the energy out there is anti-Obama.

The democrats' main problem is they don't have Bush to kick around anymore - and they don't have much to offer the country after that.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

shrink2


So how do you explain people who surrender all control to the group - are they still better off ?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Malloy has a great deal of family problems in Connecticut - and many believe his image has suffered dramatically.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

is economy improving? doesn't look that way.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/weekly-jobless-claims-dip-6000-to-462000-2010-03-11

"The four-week average of initial claims -- a better gauge of employment trends than the volatile weekly number - rose by 5,000 to 475,500. That's the highest rate since late November."

"Similarly, the number of people continuing to receive regular unemployment checks climbed 37,000 in the week of Feb. 27 to a seasonally adjusted 4.56 million."

Posted by: doof | March 11, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Chris

Is OFA a group which is designed to get the word out in the community - and raise the general numbers - or is it a lobbying group designed to get votes for health care ???


Your piece seems to switch that goal in the middle.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 11, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Gatecrasher's comments are typical of those on the right who see a poll that doesn't fit in with their cherished narrative that democrats are going to be swept into oblivion this November. Polls showing republicans in the lead=good polls. Polls showing democrats in the lead=bad polls.

Look. The media at present--including the reporter on this blog--is dedicated to a negative narrative on Obama and the democrats. If you will recall, the media had a similarly negative narrative on Obama during the campaign in 2008. Week after week we were subjected to all of the right wing orchestrated rumors and stories--Rezco, Reverend Wright, the birther nonsense, Obama the socialist, Obama the guy who "pals around with terrorists"--all of which the public dismissed as the bleatings of goats.

Anyone familiar with the media knows that once they become enamored of a particular political narrative, it takes a ball bat up the side of the head to knock some sense into them. That ball bat is about to come in two stages--first, the health care bill will pass; then, amazingly right out of the blue, the public option will be once more brought up and will pass with significant majorities and even some GOP support. Why? Because when they are actually forced into a vote, the Senators and representatives know that it is popular with the public and do not want to go on record as opposing it. That is why republicans and some democrats are so desperate to keep it from ever coming to a vote.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 11, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Politics is the word we use to describe how humans transact power in groups. Individuals try to become more powerful by organizing themselves into groups, but in doing so they must lose some of their agenda, some of their power to the interests of others. I heart politics. The history of political party formation, growth, decay and destruction is always a psychological passion play.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

hey doofus -- what kind of gown do you wear while you type? do you wear those elbow length opera gloves and pearls? What about stillettos? You like those too?

Posted by: drindl | March 11, 2010 9:29 AM

no gowns for me. but they would fit a guy like you. perfect for a she-male. what circus are you in?

Posted by: doof | March 11, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

hey doofus -- what kind of gown do you wear while you type? do you wear those elbow length opera gloves and pearls? What about stillettos? You like those too?

Posted by: drindl | March 11, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

"Who thought Dems had the market cornered on scandals? C'mon CC, I always try to defend you when people call you a partisan hack, but that remark is pushing it."

Oh come ON, people, of course he's a partisan hack. Are you joking? Who else could say that after Ensign, Ms. Argentina, Foley, Mr. Wide Stance, David Vitter and his diapers -- christ the list is endless this year alone.

Posted by: drindl | March 11, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

But, as soon as the economy starts humming again and people get back to a more positive routine, the less attention will be paid to the angry crackpots who tend to dominate coverage in a downturend economy.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 11, 2010 9:18 AM

won't be any time soon. be a number of years before that happens jackass. you should stay away from those cell towers.

Posted by: doof | March 11, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Look, the Tea Party is a fraud. Indeed, a few short years ago such an assortment of cranks, crackpots, oddballs, malcontents and run-of-the-mill conspiracists of the black helicopter variety would not have gotten anywhere near the attention from the media that it does today. Why? Because all standard mainstream media outlets are under pressure from their corporate masters to show ratings, circulation and profit. And the old standard "just the facts M'am" reporting of yesteryear doesn't cut it anymore.

Thus, we live in an era where the most bizarre weirdos can thrive. Indeed, right wing extremist talk radio has exploded due in no small part to the sort of psuedo-legitimacy accorded them by the mainstream media. It will only last as long as the recessed economic conditions prevail. But, as soon as the economy starts humming again and people get back to a more positive routine, the less attention will be paid to the angry crackpots who tend to dominate coverage in a downturend economy.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 11, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 11, 2010 9:08 AM

you need a straight jacket. keep you away from those cell towers.

Posted by: doof | March 11, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"FIRST, DO NO HARM."

What good is health care reform in a nation where a multi-agency federal-local "program" uses a nationwide high-tech weapon system -- hiding in plain sight -- to silently impair, torture and subjugate extrajudicially "targeted" citizens?

"The Minority Report" has come to America -- and mainstream media and Congress are smug, naive, and deceived (just like President Obama?)

RESTORE CIVIL AND HUMAN RIGHTS -- END BUSH-ERA PROGRAMS OF COVERT HIGH-TECH TORTURE AND POLICE STATE VIGILANTE TERRORISM.

HOMELAND-RUN CELL TOWER MICROWAVE WEAPON SYSTEM ATTACKS, TORTURES, IMPAIRS, 'SLOW-KILLS' TARGETED AMERICANS: VETERAN JOURNALIST

• Why so many cell towers saturate the American landscape -- urban and rural.

• Weapon system patents reveal silent, powerful attack system in YOUR backyard.

• American human rights atrocities, ideological purge, under the cover of national security.

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves

OR: poynter.org/subject.asp?id=2 (see articles list)

NOW IT'S OBAMA'S GESTAPO USA. WHEN WILL TEAM OBAMA ACT?

• Reporter exposing gov't cell tower microwave torture held hostage to community stalking, police-protected, GPS-equipped vigilante squads that burglarize, vandalize and terrorize -- officially-enabled lawlessness that afflicts many thousands of other unconstitutionally targeted and persecuted Americans.

BUCKS COUNTY, PA- BASED MAGLOCLEN FUSION CENTER: "CENCOM OF A MID-ATLANTIC STATES AMERICAN GESTAPO."

Where is the DOJ / CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION investigation?

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
OR NowPublic.com/scrivener (see "stories" list)

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 11, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Margaret, I think you have hit one nail on the head. The TEApeople are not yet an organized party and many who express sympathy in polls are arch libertarians or even petty anarchists.
Still, there are attempts to organize and capitalize on the amorphous movement. Dick Armey is deep into one organizing attempt. The sponsors of the so-called "convention" were another. Rs are trying to get a grip on it. As you say, this fella interviews like a sincere TEAsymp who is personally capitalizing on the name of the amorphous movement by forming his own TEA Party of Nevada and owning the name.

TEAsymps with cash from R sources will disclaim him. Rs will yell "foul" in order to keep their own voters in line. The easiest charge to make is that "Reid did it." Because Reid probably did not do it, that may backfire and this opportunistic young fella may get his 15 minutes of fame.

Of course, the bottom line is that there is no TEA Party right now. There are only TEA people, and they do not share a cohesive set of beliefs except for one: they believe that they are taxed "too much". Something called a TEA Party could be incorporated in every state and not be the same party,as in any other state, unless Armey or someone like him controls the filings.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 11, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

The GOP wants to believe that the TP is just a wing of their party. It isn't. The fact that GOP organizers in Nevada think they are responsible for identifying legitimate TP members and activities shows that they do not understand the TP, they just want to control it.

If I were the TP, I would see the Republican Party (locally and nationally) as a real threat to my TP goals.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 11, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

"Who thought Dems had the market cornered on scandals? C'mon CC, I always try to defend you when people call you a partisan hack, but that remark is pushing it.

Posted by: elijah24"

heh, I just let that one go. But yeah, patently stupid.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 11, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Mark, in the interview the TEA Party candidate comes off as a genuine outsider genuinely running for office. Why would the Republican Party regulars think the TP candidate has to parlez with them? Do they think they have approval of TP candidates? In Florida the GOP is co-promoting Rubio over Crist -- is that working anywhere else?

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 11, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Mark, Margaret, I wonder if this Reid conspiracy thing is part of a larger pushback from establishment Republicans who feel they might be ceding too much ground to the teabaggers. I believe both Romney and Palin have warned against independent challenges in races in fear of splitting R votes. I think Palin has said they should pick a party and Romney has warned against splitting the vote. And now we are seeing this challenge to the legitimacy of a tea party candidate in Nevada. Of course the emergence of this group of people is always a risk of splitting the vote, but the fact that you have all three of these things together makes me wonder if the fear has become institutionalized. Perhaps it's an effort to stave off problems in the future by trying to wrangle the teabaggers today.

I wonder how it will work. Romney's request seems to be the most reasonable and basically saying that "we like you guys, but splitting the vote will hurt our cause." Palin is a bit more insulting. "You guys aren't a legitimate party. Only Dems and Rs are legitimate. Choose one. (Republicans *wink* *wink*)" And Tarkanian's seems to be the most insulting, "the only reason you guys have a candidate is because you want to help the Dem win."

But Republicans tend to be pretty unified in their messaging. I think we can expect to see more of this in the future in a widespread attempt to tame the beast. We'll see how it works. The tea party leaders are likely enjoying their newfound political power and attention and I don't know if they will cede it to institutionalists that easily.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 11, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Who thought Dems had the market cornered on scandals? C'mon CC, I always try to defend you when people call you a partisan hack, but that remark is pushing it.

Posted by: elijah24 | March 11, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Ddawd and Margaret, #5 is also a lesson plan for the neophyte pol in a conservative leaning state. Obtain the name "TEA Party of __________" for an entity at your Secretary of State's office, with a few loyal friends as the entity organizers; eagerly accept all interviews in your living room, and voila! Pay the filing fee and you are on the ballot with"TEA" next to your name.

"You're not the REAL TEA Party, we are!"

"Not in my state, pal!"

"We don't know you!"

"I don't know YOU!"

Instant sensation; no cash outlay to speak of.
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If I were a supporter of Reid's but not a personal acquaintance of his, and I had a TEAsymp friend, I might have put the idea in his head. When I was a young lawyer in Austin I had friends who did mischief this way in local races. Just for fun. The candidate will be genuine. The idea was either his, for the fun of it, or someone else's, for the fun of it. He will not likely change the race even if he gets some "Armenian" vote, in the end.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 11, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DDAWD | March 11, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

lol@ the Reid plant conspiracy theory. So Reid's master plan is to split the Armenian vote away from Tarkanian???

Yeah...

Posted by: DDAWD | March 11, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link to the CNN post about the Nevada race (#5). It reminds us just how well-oiled the Republican brain can be:

"Ask Republicans in Nevada. Some are accusing Jon Scott Ashjian, a new Tea Party candidate running for U.S. Senate, of being a fake. The allegation? He was put in the race by agents of Senate Majority leader Harry Reid to siphon votes from the GOP.

"No doubt about it", says Danny Tarkanian, one of the many Republican senate candidates hoping to challenge Reid in November. "Nobody in the Tea Party knows who he is. He didn't know any of the principles of the Tea Party," Tarkanian tells CNN. He even accuses "Harry Reid's staff, campaign, whatever" of picking Ashjian because he's Armenian, as is Tarkanian. He explains, "They know the Armenians are very close they'll vote for each other."

I thought the idea behind the TP was that they wanted to go back to politically inexperienced citizen-pols. Many of their candidates have come from off the establishment grid. And the Armenian conspiracy thing is silly and insulting. The TP candidate sees a weak GOP field and has stepped into a primary that is going to be wide open. What else is new?

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 11, 2010 6:43 AM | Report abuse

How you can give currency to the DSCC poll from Ohio is ridiculous. Their guy is behind by a few points, so they try and bend the numbers just enough to make it fathomable that their guy is actually ahead, even if it's by just one point. It's pathetic attention seeking garbage.

Posted by: Gatecrasher | March 11, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

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