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Health care ad spending grows; will it matter?

1. The air wars over health care, into which both sides have already poured more than $200 million, are in full swing again. The latest evidence? American Future Fund, a conservative group, is spending $500,000 bashing Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) and Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter for their expressed support for using reconciliation to pass elements of the health care bill.

The ads cast reconciliation as a "legislative trick" being employed by Democratic senators because "they don't have the votes;" the ad also uses clips of Democrats defending the filibuster -- Reid described it as "a check on power [that] preserves our limited government" -- when they were the minority party in the Senate. "The hypocrisy is breathtaking," says the narrator at the close of the commercial. (AFF is already spending close to $1 million on ads in 18 Democratic-held House districts urging Members to scrap the bill and start over.)

Not to be outdone, Americans United, the leading spender of liberal outside groups, is plunking down a half million dollars on a series of television and radio ads on aimed at rallying African Americans behind President Obama's plan. "The special interests are marshaling their forces for one last fight to save the status quo," Obama says in the Americans United TV ad, which is running on Black Entertainment Television. "And we just can't let that happen." A similar message is being broadcast via radio ads to African American voters in 19 cities including Cleveland, Chicago and Louisville.

These ads -- from the left and right -- come on top of a promised $10 million in ads by a coalition of business groups to oppose the health care legislation. But It's hard to see this strategy having any significant impact in the fight for public opinion on health care; a flooding of airwaves with political ads usually leads people to tune out all of the commercials -- a phenomenon likely exacerbated by the pure length of time that health care has been in the news. ALSO READ: Democratic pollsters Pat Caddell and Doug Schoen on why passing (or not passing) health care will be a major political problem for their party.

2. National Republican strategists and fundraisers appear to be rapidly lining up behind the potential Senate candidacy of former Bush administration official Dan Senor in New York. According to those familiar with Senor's nascent campaign, New York money man Paul Singer and former George W. Bush fundraiser Anne Dickerson -- both of whom are close allies of former New York City Rudy Giuliani -- are putting together the money piece of the campaign together.

Pollster John McLaughlin is serving as a general strategist in the early days of the effort. Senor is the latest in a string of Republicans -- both high profile and low -- to consider a race against appointed Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D). To date, none of them -- from Giuliani to former governor George Pataki to publishing magnate Mort Zuckerman -- have decided to run. It's not clear how serious a candidate Senor would be; his ties to Bush would be something short of an asset in Democratic-minded New York but his roots in Upstate (he grew up in Utica) and his seeming capacity to raise money make him relevant if he decides to run.

Another uncertainty is whether or not Gillibrand is genuinely vulnerable. She has successfully eliminated a series of potential primary opponents and has demonstrated an amazing capacity to raise money ($5.1 in the bank at the end of 2009). And, a recent Marist poll showed her leading Zuckerman -- before he dropped out -- by 33 points and Freedom Watch founder Brad Blakeman, another Bush administration official, who has announced his candidacy, 58 percent to 28 percent.

3. Hoping to keep the Louisiana Senate race on the national radar, Rep. Charlie Melancon's (D) campaign is moving around poll numbers that suggest he is well within striking distance of Sen. David Vitter (R). The survey, which was conducted by John Anzalone, showed Vitter ahead of Melancon 48 percent to 38 percent -- virtually unchanged from the 47 percent to 37 percent margin he enjoyed in a May 2009 Anzalone poll.

Other evidence Anzalone cited to prove Vitter's weakness: 1) the incumbent is almost totally known (92 percent name ID) while Melancon, who has held the 3rd district since 2006 has room to grow (59 percent name ID) 2) 43 percent of the sample want to reelect Vitter while 47 percent want someone new and 3) more than eight in ten (84 percent) of voters were "bothered" by his involvement in the "D.C. Madam" prostitution ring. "The declining or static nature of Vitter's support, in the face of an improved Republican climate elsewhere, demonstrates the damage done to the Vitter brand is permanent and will not simply be erased or overlooked by broader political environment improvement for Republican," wrote Anzalone.

While Vitter does bring considerable personal baggage to the race, he has two major assets working for him: money and mood. Knowing he would be a major target for Democrats this cycle, Vitter has amassed $4.5 million (as of the end of 2009) to spend on the race. And, unlike at the start of the cycle when Democrats were ascendant, the national mood has shifted heavily toward Republicans -- a major boost for Vitter in a state where President Obama won just 40 percent in 2008.

4. The Republican primary for California Senate appears to be a two-person race between former Rep. Tom Campbell and former Hewlett Packard Carly Fiorina, according to a new Research 2000 poll conducted for the liberal Daily Kos blog. Campbell, who switched from the governor's race to the Senate contest in January, took 33 percent in the survey to 24 percent for Fiorina and just seven percent for conservative state Assemblyman Chuck DeVore.

Campbell appears to be benefiting from residual name identification from his past two Senate bids (in 1992 and 2000) but he may struggle to hold on in the face of Fiorina's personal wealth. Campbell's campaign touted the fact that he had raised $700,000 in the first month of the Senate race but that is less than one-third of the $2.5 million Fiorina gave to her campaign -- in addition to the $1.1 million she raised from donors. In a state as large as California, money matters -- and Fiorina's personal wealth means that she can buy enough name identification to challenge Campbell in the June 8 primary.

The Kos poll suggests that either Campbell or Fiorina could make a serious run at Sen. Barbara Boxer (D) in November. Boxer led Campbell 47 percent to 43 percent while holding a slightly wider 49 percent to 40 percent edge over Fiorina. For Senate Republicans to have any chance -- even a longshot chance -- of winning the majority this fall, they must put California in play.

5. What better way to commemorate the implosion of former representative Eric Massa (D-N.Y.) then to get together -- online, natch -- and chat about the week that was in politics over a cup of joe. (Or, in the Fix's case, some sort of heavily sugared, very expensive coffee drink.) Come armed with your questions -- about politics, music, books or, heck, even the Georgetown Hoyas run to the Big East tournament semifinals -- at 11 a.m. It's the "Live Fix." Be there. Seriously.

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the project I worked on for months went live a few weeks ago and is making the company major revenue …

Posted by: Noacoler
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Major revenue..another evil capitalist soon to be eliminated by our great statist president !

Posted by: leapin | March 15, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"For the period from 18 months to 4 months before any November election, Rasmussen uses a likely voter ("LV") screen which is manipulated to heavily and disproportionately overweight the poll with Republican voters.
Posted by: dove369"

You should take Political Science 101.

Adjusting for likely voters is not only appropriate, it's necessary if you're trying to predict the outcomes of elections.

The unfortunate fact is that many people whose demographics suggest that might support Democrats (and a slightly smaller number that might support Republicans) don't vote and must be adjusted out of the poll numbers.

Posted by: cprferry | March 13, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

@12Bar: about 7/8 of the posts here are unacceptable. Every 37th post is unintelligible and hysterical every drivl/moonbat/etc. post is vicious and sick, every Jake post is either snotty and pointless or mocking and pointless, that's the great bulk of them right there.

What little PI Jake has about me he got from Google; every conservatroll on the web thinks Google is his own personal secret. Anyone who could hack WaPo and get IPs would post Obama death threats in others' names. And having an IP would tell nothing closer than the poster's city unless he could also hack ISP customer records.

These trolls are sad sick isolated people with no lives to speak of, unemployed all, probably loathed by their families, with no friends and too much free time. Flinging poo on here is the only effect they can have on the world, like caged monkeys banging their heads on the bars. Their threats are as empty as their
lives.

Pity them if you want but for Bog's sake don't fear them.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 13, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

I reported abuse on the posts at 4:13 where "corrections" said he had Noacoler's IP and threatened snipers and drivl's post at 7:05 who claims that Jake has sent information to Noacoler's employer to attempt to get him fired. Apparently, drivl, Jake (according to drivl) and corrections have decided to target Noacoler outside this blog.

These kind of posts are unacceptable and everyone should report them to the Fix. It's one thing to disagree and insult each other here, but to make death threats in real life is scary.

Maybe these are just empty threats, but I don't know myself just how easy it would be to trace someone's IP and end up knowing their identity. If participating on a political blog could make me a target is a lot more than I bargained for.

Everyone--report abuse on these posts.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 12, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Christ you crack me up, zouk, you want so badly to hurt me from your locked ward.  But you can’t.
 
I have no doubt that Jake would do anything in his reach, however low and filthy, if he could, but he can’t.  Anyone who would “woo hoo” at the death of an old man and with so little going for him, yeah, he’d tattle if there was anything to tattle and make stuff up if there wasn’t. He’s a sick little sh*t and a stalker.
 
But he doesn’t know who my employer is, and neither do you, and even if he did send a pile of crap to them it would not be corroborated by any logs.  I don’t post through work.  I’m way too smart for that.  When I do post while at work I RAS to one of my home machines and do it through there, so no logs at work will ever show me doing anything more than reading this site.  Sorry.  What are they going to do, take the word of some obvious drool case that “Noacoler” is someone working for them?  There are 295 people in the US with my name.  You’re simply pathetic.  Even more pathetic than Jake, and that’s no mean feat.
 
And even if they did learn I post from work, so what?  It’s called “fair use” and it even applies to contractors like me.  My manager reads Indian newspapers online, my friend in BI reads Pakistani sites, everyone takes browser breaks.  I’m not behind, I get a lot of work done, they’re extremely pleased with the quality and thoroughness of my work, the project I worked on for months went live a few weeks ago and is making the company major revenue … jeez, dude, don’t you ever get tired of missing the barn?  I guess calling your doctor foul names is all you’re going to get.
 
Someone did what you claim at another job I had .. my manager called me, and he laughed.  “You must have really pissed someone off!” 
 
Stick to the pedophile thing, loser, it’s a laff riot.  It underscores your depravity.  Have a nice life in the loony bin.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 12, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't know about mithril but Au is doing just fine. Jesus zouk anyone could take a moment and look this stuff up, do you ENJOY being wrong all the time or something?!?

Posted by: Noacoler | March 12, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I just heard about the Glenn Beck comments about social justice. I am Catholic and EVERY Sunday we pray for social justice. Those exact words "social justice". Is Beck making a specific attack on Catholics? Or, do other churches use the same terms?

I find his comments incredibly offensive--why does Beck think he has something to say about how churches minister? Don't blame this on his Mormonism. Mormons are very charitable and believe in helping the poor. I lived in Salt Lake for a number of years and I have nothing but admiration for the LDS Church.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 12, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else notice that the polls on HCR have changed over the last month or so. The last 5 polls averaged are -5. A month ago or so, the negative was -17.

Of the last 5 polls, Rasmussen has the largest negative at -11 and AP has -2. But the trend is changing (even Rasmussen) to a more positive view.

If you are not watching the trend line on the polls closely, it is easy to still be relating to HCR as it polled several months ago.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

One reason the Democrats have to pass the bill beside it being the right and necessary thing to do, is that no party is rewarded for what it almost did. Voters reward winners, not try-ers.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 12, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

That is particularly unfunny since jake sent Ped's blog traffic summary to her employer.

and the fact that troll gold is sinking like a rock.

AND, Ped is too mystified to participate in capitalism.

Ped will soon be in dribbl's shoes.

Posted by: drivl | March 12, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Death threats don't make very good jokes.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 12, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler, we have traced your IP and will be coming to get you shortly. Please do not go outside or otherwise try to challenge our snipers. Thank you.

Posted by: corrections | March 12, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

So if healthcare fails to pass, Chris and his accessees will be clinking the bourbon glasses out of sight of (real) reporters, their Waterloo triumph.  Hooray, with the help of tactics that would make Goebbels smile the American people were duped once again into opposing their own self-interest.  We “got” Obama.
 
Flash-cut to a hospital bed, a 32-year-old woman reading a letter from her insurance company, informing her she no longer has coverage, and must face, and lose, the fight of her life so the shareholders get more value and the CEO gets another few million he doesn’t need.
 
Flashcut to a small coffin being lowered into a small grave as a small child whose life might have been saved is buried by his parents.  But look at the bright side .. some sharp-pencilled little smarty got a bonus for saving some dollars for the shareholders.
 
Flashcut to a family driving away from the home they can no longer afford, headed for a homeless shelter, wiped out by an illness because another sharp-pencilled little smarty managed to label it a “pre-existing condition.”
 
Republicans should be slaughtered, like rats by a terrier.  They don’t deserve to live.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 12, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

This is how crazy the TPers are -- crazy with hatred:

"On his radio show recently, Glenn Beck controversially warned his audience to leave churches that care about social justice:

I beg you, look for the words “social justice” or “economic justice” on your church website. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice –they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes! Leave your church! … If you have a priest that is pushing social justice, go find another parish.

Leading religious figures and organizations — including from Beck’s own Mormon faith — quickly condemned the hate radio host’s remarks. The progressive Christian group Sojourners has also launched a campaign responding to Beck. Some others:

– “My own experience as a believing Latter-day Saint over the course of 60 years is that I have seen social justice in practice in every L.D.S. congregation I’ve been in. … So if that’s Beck’s definition of social justice, he and I are definitely not on the same team.” — Kent P. Jackson, associate dean of religion at Brigham Young University

– “Could Beck’s claim be construed as “anti-Catholic?” Yes and no. I think if anyone else had made the remark it would have been hard to dismiss the anti-Catholic undertones. … Still, I’m curious to see how Beck’s loyal defenders will excuse his latest outrageous remarks. If we’re not supposed to take him seriously when he says stuff like this, when exactly are we to take him seriously?” — Joe Carter, online editor at the conservative magazine First Things

– “Glenn Beck’s desire to detach social justice from the Gospel is a move to detach care for the poor from the Gospel. But a church without the poor, and a church without a desire for a just social world for all, is not the church. At least not the church of Jesus Christ. Who was, by the way, poor.” — Rev. James Martin, an editor at the Jesuit magazine America"

Posted by: drindl | March 12, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

drivl-yeah, you must be on the nope dope dole, brain-lavaged, poor thing, hope the
big bucks are worth your loyal worship. You mentioned some things in your mindless posts, oh yeah, the nope dopes were and always will be the biggest "Wool Pullers" in our history, and the "toxic agenda" you blathered on about, we happen to be paying a sickening price for the "toxic agendas" of those you worship. Did ya hear? The new movement "Coffee Party" agenda has
ballooned from a mere 9,000 a week ago to
90,000 as of today, and will be hosting coffee clatches tomorrow all over the country. You're on the wrong side brother,
and what you post is DDDDDDRRRRIIIIVVVVLL!
You and yours are pathetic. Oh, yeah, the Dems are going to ignore your stupid Gods, and their relentless crusade, they will carry the legislative process through to it's fruition, they are gathering support and votes as we speak-blather on dope.

Posted by: patriotgmalou | March 12, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

REWARD THE RICH, PUNISH THE POOR - VOTE REPUBLICAN!!!

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | March 12, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Nancy and Steny Hoyer have to replace the 7-12 votes which are the Stupak block PLUS any other Congressmen - maybe as many as 17 - who really want to vote no -

OUT of a group of about 14 potential vote changes.

So any combination of 15 or even 20 - Stupak group plus those from the 17 who want to switch - is going to put this out of reach for Nancy.

It really is a laugh - the House democrats want a LETTER FROM THE DEMOCRATS SIGNED BY 51 SENATORS

That is HILARIOUS.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 12, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

The Senate majority is in play without California or New York - because the Republicans could pick up Indiana Wisconsin Washington State.

So we will see.

Again - 2012 the combination of states is much better for the Republicans.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 12, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

direct link to dribbl's "brain", actually an empty space meant to conduct mindless chatter from here to there.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/did-john-cornyn-back-the-wrong-horses-inside-the-2010-gop-split.php

Posted by: drivl | March 12, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Buying a Judgeship? [Ed Whelan]


The Providence Journal reports on President Obama’s nomination of trial lawyer John J. McConnell Jr. to a district judgeship in Rhode Island:

Rhode Island’s Democratic senators, Jack Reed and Sheldon Whitehouse, recommended McConnell for what they said were his qualities of legal ability, intellect, temperament and integrity, as well as a solid middle-class background.

Ah, yes, I’m sure that the massive campaign contributions that the article reports—“approaching $700,000 over the past two decades”—by McConnell and his wife to Reed, Whitehouse, and an array of other Democrats weren’t a factor in Reed’s and Whitehouse’s recommendation.

It turns out that fatcat Democratic donor John J. McConnell Jr.—nominated by President Obama to a district judgeship in Rhode Island—received a mediocre ABA rating of substantial majority “qualified”/minority “not qualified.” For someone with so much litigation experience (he’s been a trial lawyer for 25 years), such a poor rating ought to set off alarm bells. At the very least, that rating makes even more clear that Senators Reed and Whitehouse recommended him because of his campaign contributions, not, as they claimed (in the Providence Journal’s paraphrase), because of his supposed “qualities of legal ability, intellect, temperament and integrity.”

Posted by: drivl | March 12, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

At this point, the astroturf and the ads - is it really going to matter ? NO.

The reason is clear - the Organizing for America don't even seem to understand astroturf. Astroturf is there to produce the impression of a public sentiment - when the lawmakers do not know what the public thinks.

Congress knows what people think about the health care bill - no amount of astroturf or ad buys is going to change that. NOW the Congressmen have their own personal calculations to make: how much to risk re-election.

This whole thing comes down to the numbers.

It is going to be very difficult. OK imagine you are a Congressman, the phone at the reception desk is ringing - you know it is someone calling at the urging of some group - is that going to influence you? NO - you just care about the total numbers in your district.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 12, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Establishment GOP candidates across the country backed by the National Republican Senatorial Committee are struggling to gain grassroots traction over their primary challengers, with conservative darlings like Marco Rubio surging. It's a split illustrating the deep divisions in the Republican party as it seems Washington's establishment miscalculated who would be the better candidates from California to Florida.

Rubio is the best example, as Florida Gov. Charlie Crist's support - especially among Republicans - has plunged this year. That's one reason why NRSC Chairman John Cornyn is singing Rubio's praises and promising not to bash him despite backing Crist as the early favorite to win the open seat in the Sunshine State.

Sen. Jim DeMint's Senate Conservatives Fund has taken the lead to blatantly challenge Cornyn's candidates in California, Texas, Florida and Pennsylvania. After Republican divisions threw a wrench into the special election for New York's 23rd Congressional district last fall, the NRSC announced they wouldn't get involved in or spend money in these contested primaries.

"The rules have changed and the political ground has shifted under the feet of the establishment and they are still trying to get their footing," Mike Connolly of the conservative Club for Growth told me in an interview today. The group was backing outsider candidates before it was cool, encouraging contested primaries by running Pat Toomey (R-PA) against Sen. Arlen Specter in 2004.

Posted by: drindl | March 12, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Chris


Are you going to the game tonight?

Huge that Pittsburgh lost too.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 12, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Romney's book "No Apology" set to debut at No.1 on NYTimes bestseller list. Ideas do matter.

Posted by: drivl | March 12, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Health Care Reform is Easy

The republicans have used reconciliation on health care before plenty of times - heck they created the whole CHIP program - via reconciliation. Dear lord stop swallowing the kool-aid - this isn't a sporting event my side versus your side (do you think the status quo might be aware of the concept of divide and conquer - don't be such dupes)

People, people, people - this is about getting our dollars back from the corrupt 1% that hoard them at the top (there is no such thing as trickle down) or For Profit insurance wouldn't be killing the middle class, driving people with health insurance into bankruptcy, and tying a dead weight around small business and even the bigger national corporations - this has to get done - our politicians are playing games to get elected....

They are not "governing" but manipulating voter sentiment to whip up turn out to try and win elections - not based on any specific philosophy of governing but for plain old self interest.

Actual governing takes a huge back seat to "will I get re-elected" - the easiest way to solve the health care debacle of for profit health care is simple - but handing a success to the other party - isn't how the political "game" is played.

Unfortunately our lives are caught in the cross fire of their STUPID GAME. And because of game playing we deregulated everything and created the global financial meltdown - ooppps - maybe proper management would have prevented that - but politics has never been about properly managing our resources - its about GETTING RE-ELECTED.

Healthcare is easy - here's how -

“Use Senate reconciliation and expand Medicare via the Senate’s buy-in provisions. The CBO has already signed off on this as a means of saving money.

More importantly, if more Americans can do a buy-in with Medicare, it creates more cost control (because there’s a genuine competitor to for-profit healthcare).

It also helps to solve the problems of pre-existing conditions, because Medicare does not deny coverage on this basis.

Allowing a Medicare buy-in to Americans under 65 would give people a genuine alternative to private insurance and thereby render the pre-existing question moot.

It would also lower Medicare costs by expanding the risk pool of patients (the great bulk of medical expenses are accounted for by a small number of people, mostly the elderly, requiring very expensive treatment).

And it would substantially enhance the global competitiveness of American corporations. After all, in what other country in the world is health care a marginal cost of production for business?” - Roosevelt Institute Marshall Auerback

Now get out there tell your neighbors, your friends, pick up the phone and email your representatives - because whether you like it or not we are all in this together - and it's us versus the politicians - not each other.

Paul Burke
Author Journey Home
Democracy For America

Posted by: JourneyHomeBurke | March 12, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

There's abundant evidence that Mr. Obama's toxic agenda seems to be disintegrating before our very eyes. Democrats with a bad case of nerves (this includes most of them) finally admit that Obamacare has "problems," and several Democratic office-holders in Missouri suddenly had business elsewhere when the president showed up for a rally in St. Louis this week. Robin Carnahan, the Missouri secretary of state who is the leading Democratic candidate in pursuit of the Senate seat that Kit Bond, a Republican, is relinquishing, wanted ever so to be there but she had to wash her hair, or buy a stamp, or couldn't find a taxi to get to the airport for a flight home. Or whatever.

Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, the most vulnerable Democratic incumbent, got roughed up at a tea party and is running now against the Democratic Party. "I don't answer to my party," she says. "I answer to Arkansas." Actually, she slavishly answered to her party until she stumbled into the tea party, and, as they say down on the farm, "got a little religion." Her free fall in the public-opinion polls continues.

Posted by: drivl | March 12, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Ped, you better get back to work.

the other trolls under your bridge are eying your gold, even with its collapsing value. and that local mobster that you thought would get your hotel permit is only going to keep asking for more.

Once they find out the kind of activities you engage in, you will have to hide in the basement of the gym across the street, where the AC doesn't work. but I know you trolls like small dark spaces.

now about those showers - why is it you have no curtains?

Posted by: drivl | March 12, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

So GOP voters still support wh0remonger Vitter.

Yeah, personal responsibility. Accountability. What a sham.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 12, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

drivl in, drivl out.

Posted by: hoser3 | March 12, 2010 11:54 AM


Now dribl is shamelessly cutting and pasting from a different thread on this blog.

Is there a more shallow creature on this planet, assuming it is from Earth?

Oh wait, Ped is.

Posted by: drivl | March 12, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"Rev. Wright Wishes Obama
Would Talk to Him, Slams Fox"

is doesn't get any gutter stupider than this

==

oh, it gets a lot stupider. The name-calling like "dribbl" and "ped" is what eight-year-olds do. And this all-day-every-day troll expects us to believe he has a job? With responsibilities? Yeah right.

What a tragic person.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 12, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

My greatest strength as a writer/marketer has always been an ability to 'reach out and touch someone'

Even the resume is a cut and paste from AT&T. No wonder no one will hire this loon.

I wasn't aware that a copywriter simply copy's then writes.

Posted by: drivl | March 12, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Some copywriters just 'do the copy,' no questions asked.

they cut and paste with no brain in the middle.

that's our dribbl all right.

three years and counting in the unemployment line. not sure how much longer those gigs in the Country western bar playing bad cover songs with all the yokels will pay the bills.

you must have such contempt for their lowbrow sensibilities.

Posted by: drivl | March 12, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

new jersey poll on health care bill not looking good for democrats. the house members from there must be worried. most of them voted yes first time.

"But only 22 percent say Congress should pass the current reform proposals, while 68 percent want lawmakers to start over."

http://www.northjersey.com/news/health/031110_NJ_poll_Health_reform_yes_current_proposal_no.html

Posted by: doof | March 12, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

drivel in, drivel out.

Posted by: drindl | March 12, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"Rev. Wright Wishes Obama
Would Talk to Him, Slams Fox"

is doesn't get any gutter stupider than this

Posted by: drindl | March 12, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi's Democrats --- you know, the ones who promised the most ethical and transparent congress in history, and last week were demanding an "up or down" vote on ObamaCare --- are now scheming to enact a House Rule that will simply declare the Senate ObamaCare Bill passed without having a vote on it.

That's how determined they are to pass the ObamaCare Bill against the will of the people.

These are the same Democrats who have enacted $120,000,000,000 in new deficit spending in the two weeks since the Pay-as-you-go law was enacted outlawing new deficit spending.

Meanwhile, the Republican Caucus just voted unanimously to endorse a moratorium on earmark spending.

Liberals rules - they are for you, not for US!

Posted by: drivl | March 12, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

zouk's resume:

2007 - 2010
Troll
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Posted by: drindl | March 12, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Why do you even bother, zouk? Anyone sees one of your monikers just hits PgUp, simple reflex.

Oh, that's right, you have nothing else to do. Nothing at all.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 12, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Ped!

done with the tickling already? did four men jump on your back? time for a shower. be sure to leave the curtain open and wait for your prey. It's OK to sit down. If someone shows up in a dress, It's Norman. If they talk politics, it's Rahm. either way, I'm sure you'll be pleased.
Is it chuckee's or the swingset this weekend?

Posted by: drivl | March 12, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Nothing exemplifies the contempt that Speaker Pelosi has for the public and everyone outside her little circle of intimidated puppets better than her arrogant assertion that “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.” What she calls the fog of controversy is actually the process of painstakingly deciphering 2,700 pages of arcane obfuscation. The bill contains one simple reality that Pelosi and team desperately want to conceal: it will dramatically expand government’s reach into the private sector of our economy and dramatically reduce individual liberty.

In another arrogant display of legislative power and contempt for the ordinary citizen, Rep. Louise Slaughter – the Pelosi ally who chairs the all powerful House Rules Committee – is said to be preparing the way for the Senate health care bill to pass the House without ever being voted on in order to overcome the fact that they don’t have the votes to pass it.


It is now more apparent than ever that Pelosi and Reid are the White House are committed to passing the health care bill by whatever means necessary, even if they have to pull the wool over the public’s eyes to do it. In essence, members of the House are being asked to base their next vote on health care on a bill they and the American people have not read and which has not, as yet, been written.


Just sign here citizen. We'll fill in the details later.

Posted by: drivl | March 12, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Bockscar, you admit that we need healthcare reform, but you don't want the government involved. So what's your plan? How can we change our for-profit healthcare system without any action by the government?

Posted by: Blarg | March 12, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I loved Ed's question poll on his show on CNN yesterday-asking do you think the pubs are more interested in the health care issue for this country, or the November elections? End result-4% of the callers said #2, 96% said #1. Now, does that sound like the repukes have any other agenda but winning in November, and destroying ANY Obama policy? This is the kind of poll I like-one I can participate in, and actually means something.

Posted by: patriotgmalou | March 12, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright Wishes Obama
Would Talk to Him, Slams Fox


President Obama's former pastor Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. on Wednesday compared the president to a son who was being treated unfairly and said it had been hard weathering the media storm after Obama became a serious contender for the White House and controversy erupted over Wright's fiery sermons. In a rare post-election interview, Wright spoke to The Washington Post about his life and his church's history after preaching an evening sermon at the Plymouth Congregational United Church of Christ in Northeast Washington, the first of three nights he was to appear before the congregation

Raines, Wright, what's the difference? Both shunned liberals who can;t keep their head on straight.
Oh and they both dislike Fox. I'm convinced as I'm sure all moon bats are.

Posted by: drivl | March 12, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

dribbl's "brain" has reached its fill for the day. It will now repeat previous cut and pastes from loony leftist websites.

==

this from the institutionalized loser who spends every idle day posting screeds from National Review and raises the rhetorical bar with grade-school level insults.

Why don't you attend the morning meds and threaten to hold your breath.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 12, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

hey zouk -- what day of the month do you get your welfare check?

Posted by: drindl | March 12, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

By Howell Raines
Sunday, March 14, 2010; B03

One question has tugged at my professional conscience throughout the year-long congressional debate over health-care reform, and it has nothing to do with the public option, portability or medical malpractice. It is this: Why haven't America's old-school news organizations blown the whistle on Roger Ailes, chief of Fox News, for using the network to conduct a propaganda campaign against the Obama administration -- a campaign without precedent in our modern political history?

Posted by: drindl | March 12, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The Congress has consistently created some sort of bureaucratic nightmare each and every time they have attempted to address...

==

ooooh, "bureaucrat.". Evoking the frustration of waiting in a slow-moving line at the DMV. Anger at paying taxes. Demanding to stay up past your bedtime. Infantile spoiled-kid rhetoric.

Reagan was 30 years ago. He's dead. Get over it.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 12, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

dribbl's "brain" has reached its fill for the day. It will now repeat previous cut and pastes from loony leftist websites.

Liberals complaining about press bias. that's rich.

Just how do you think we got stuck with this bumbling idiot Present ident in the first place?

Posted by: drivl | March 12, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

By Howell Raines
Sunday, March 14, 2010; B03

One question has tugged at my professional conscience throughout the year-long congressional debate over health-care reform, and it has nothing to do with the public option, portability or medical malpractice. It is this: Why haven't America's old-school news organizations blown the whistle on Roger Ailes, chief of Fox News, for using the network to conduct a propaganda campaign against the Obama administration -- a campaign without precedent in our modern political history?

Posted by: drindl | March 12, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Rules for Bullsh!t Bingo

1. Before Barrack Obama's next televised speech, prepare your "Bullsh!t Bingo" card by drawing a square.

I find that 5" x 5" is a good size -- and dividing it into columns --five across and five down. That will give you 25 1-inch blocks.

2. Write one of the following words/phrases in each block:

. Restored our reputation
. Strategic fit
. Let me be clear
. Make no mistake
. Back from the brink
. Signs of recovery
. Out of the loop
. Benchmark
. Job creation
. Fiscal restraint
. Win-win
. Affordable health care
. Previous Administration
. Greed on Wall Street
. At the end of the day
. Empower (or empowerment)
. Touch base
. Mindset
. Corporate greed
. Ballpark
. Game plan
. Leverage
. Inherited as used in "I inherited this mess"
. Relief for working families (alternate - "unprecedented")

3. Check off the appropriate block when you hear one of those words/phrases.

4. When you get five blocks horizontally, vertically, or diagonally, stand up and shout:

"BULLSH!T!"

Posted by: drivl | March 12, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

heh, I know Raines' son

Posted by: DDAWD | March 12, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Yes, we need healthcare reform, but can the government achieve the right result? Why don’t we look at the government’s track record and forget the finger pointing for a moment. Let’s start with this simple example. The Department of Energy was instituted on 8/4/77, to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. 32 years later, with a yearly budget of $24.2 billion dollars, 16,000 Federal employees and approximately 100,000 contracted employees, they have managed to move our dependence from 30%, when they were formed to 70% today.

The Congress has consistently created some sort of bureaucratic nightmare each and every time they have attempted to address something that is perceived as “in need of repair or reform”. Social Security isn’t secure because our elected officials squander the money deducted from our paychecks on their pet pork projects, instead of investing it for a return. Congress legislated the Medicare and Medicaid systems, then sat back while it was turned into a bureaucratic paperwork mill creating huge loop holes allowing for millions in fraudulent claims. We have now placed this same government in control of banking, and the auto industry and shortly Congress is poised to reform our healthcare system. What makes you think they can successfully handle healthcare without achieving the same sad results. It’s not about politics, it’s about what the American people fear because of past history. When it comes to health care decisions, 51% fear the federal government more than they fear private insurance companies.

Posted by: Bockscar | March 12, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"Health reform is back from the dead. Many Democrats have realized that their electoral prospects will be better if they can point to a real accomplishment. Polling on reform — which was never as negative as portrayed — shows signs of improving.
But reform still has to run a gantlet of misinformation and outright lies. So let me address three big myths about the proposed reform, myths that are believed by many people who consider themselves well-informed, but who have actually fallen for deceptive spin."


Krugman grinds the three health care reform myths to dust.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/12/opinion/12krugman.html

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 12, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

235 days until Sweet Tuesday!!! All this preponderous , undisciplined spending is indicative of the absolute desperation of the nope dopes. They are RUNNING SCARED and should be. To quote Chris Cillizza's WAPO article: "One side is right, one side is wrong". INDEED!!!!! The right side is wrong and the left side is right. Right is wrong because they are racists, and they can't get past the fact that a
man of color is our President, and will be for the next 3 years. They can see no further than November 2nd, and that is why they are wrong. Left is right because they have the vision to heal this country, not infect it with greed, deceit, and hatred, and they are reluctantly becoming the cohesive, SANE, leaders we so desperately need. Right will not take their eyes off the "prize", they will continue to trip and fall due to the blinders they all wear, while the left will stay the course, remain aright, and tromp the
right, right into oblivion, right where they belong. GO DEMS!!!!!

Posted by: patriotgmalou | March 12, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

By Howell Raines
Sunday, March 14, 2010; B03

One question has tugged at my professional conscience throughout the year-long congressional debate over health-care reform, and it has nothing to do with the public option, portability or medical malpractice. It is this: Why haven't America's old-school news organizations blown the whistle on Roger Ailes, chief of Fox News, for using the network to conduct a propaganda campaign against the Obama administration -- a campaign without precedent in our modern political history?

Posted by: drindl | March 12, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

more R fracturing:

'The rise of a new conservative grass roots fueled by a secular revulsion at government spending is stirring fears among leaders of the old conservative grass roots, the evangelical Christian right.

A reeling economy and the massive bank bailout and stimulus plan were the triggers for a resurgence in support for the Republican Party and the rise of the tea party movement. But they’ve also banished the social issues that are the focus of many evangelical Christians to the background.

And while health care legislation has brought social and economic conservatives together to fight government funding of abortion, some social conservative leaders have begun to express concern that tea party leaders don’t care about their issues, while others object to the personal vitriol against President Barack Obama, whose personal conduct many conservative Christians applaud.

“There’s a libertarian streak in the tea party movement that concerns me as a cultural conservative,” said Bryan Fischer, director of Issue Analysis for Government and Public Policy at the American Family Association. “The tea party movement needs to insist that candidates believe in the sanctity of life and the sanctity of marriage.”

“As far as I can tell [the tea party movement] has a politics that’s irreligious. I can’t see how some of my fellow conservatives identify with it,” said Richard Cizik, who broke with a major evangelical group over his support for government action on climate change, but who remains largely in line with the Christian right on social issues. “The younger Evangelicals who I interact with are largely turned off by the tea party movement — by the incivility, the name-calling, the pathos of politics.”

Posted by: drindl | March 12, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I see the usual gang of misfits and stooges are busy tying themselves in knots over facts they would prefer to ignore.

If this bill is stuffed back into the dark hole it belongs will all you nincompoops wake upvand acknowledge the grand failure that is obumbler?

Posted by: Moonbat | March 12, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Gee CC - you oughta read this in the WaPo:

By Howell Raines
Sunday, March 14, 2010; B03

One question has tugged at my professional conscience throughout the year-long congressional debate over health-care reform, and it has nothing to do with the public option, portability or medical malpractice. It is this: Why haven't America's old-school news organizations blown the whistle on Roger Ailes, chief of Fox News, for using the network to conduct a propaganda campaign against the Obama administration -- a campaign without precedent in our modern political history?

Through clever use of the Fox News Channel and its cadre of raucous commentators, Ailes has overturned standards of fairness and objectivity that have guided American print and broadcast journalists since World War II. Yet, many members of my profession seem to stand by in silence as Ailes tears up the rulebook that served this country well as we covered the major stories of the past three generations, from the civil rights revolution to Watergate to the Wall Street scandals. This is not a liberal-versus-conservative issue. It is a matter of Fox turning reality on its head with, among other tactics, its endless repetition of its uber-lie: "The American people do not want health-care reform."

Fox repeats this as gospel. But as a matter of historical context, usually in short supply on Fox News, this assertion ranks somewhere between debatable and untrue."

He's talking to YOU.

Posted by: drindl | March 12, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

more trickery:

"Under Chairman Michael Steele, the Republican National Committee has been using controversial mailers posing as official Census documents to raise money. “Calling itself the ‘Congressional District Census,’ the letter comes in an envelope starkly printed with the words, ‘DO NOT DESTROY OFFICIAL DOCUMENT’ and describes itself, on the outside of the envelope, as a ‘census document,’” notes Politico. Although the mailers have been used before, they were heavily criticized this year because they coincide with the actual Census; many observers worried that people would confuse the two. Yesterday, the House voted 416-0 to ban “misleading mailings designed to appear they’re from the Census Bureau”:

The legislation passed 416-0, after two Republicans who sit on the House panel overseeing the census, Rep. Darrell Issa of California and Jason Chaffetz of Utah, agreed to co-sponsor the measure. Sen. Tom Carper, D-Del., has said he intends to move forward with legislation in the Senate.

“With millions of census forms due to hit mailboxes within days and a multimillion advertising campaign meant to encourage completion and return of those forms, too many nongovernmental organizations are trying to piggyback on that brand awareness,” said the bill’s chief sponsor, Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y.

170 Republicans voted to ban the RNC letters, and Issa and Chaffetz blasted Steele’s tactics in a recent committee hearing on the matter. “I have seen the Republican Party send out documents that say ‘census.’ I think it’s wrong, I think it’s deceptive, and I wish they wouldn’t do it,” Chaffetz said. "

Posted by: drindl | March 12, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, drindl, for clearing up Caddell and Schoen's viewpoints, at least for me.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 12, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

""the national mood has shifted heavily toward Republicans -"

what utter unredeemable bullsh*t.

Posted by: drindl"

Nah, I actually think this is right. People aren't in love with the Republicans, but the political environment is not close to what it was in 2006 and 2008. Republicans still have problems, but things have definitely shifted in their direction. Most pundits have Republicans winning like 400 House seats this year. I don't think it's THAT bad for Dems, but you can't expect them to maintain their numbers.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 12, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

President Obama has delayed his trip to Indonesia to help push through the HCR legislation. I think this is telling that the House is about ready to vote on the Senate bill. Than the president will sign it immediatly so that the House can move on passing the changes. My guess is that they may actually get really close to his deadline. If he thought it would go on for more than a week he wouldn't have rescheduled his trip.

Posted by: AndyR3 | March 12, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

""the national mood has shifted heavily toward Republicans -"

what utter unredeemable bullsh*t.

Posted by: drindl"

Nah, I actually think this is right. People aren't in love with the Republicans, but the political environment is not close to what it was in 2006 and 2008. Republicans still have problems, but things have definitely shifted in their direction. Most pundits have Republicans winning like 400 House seats this year. I don't think it's THAT bad for Dems, but you can't expect them to maintain their numbers.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 12, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Just run this ad:

"The Republicans want to convince you that using a legislative process in the Senate called reconcilliation to reconcile the House and Sehnate bills is the wrong thing to do.

Why call it reconcilliation?

Let the majority rule.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | March 12, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Just run this ad:

"The Republicans want to convince you that using a legislative process in the Senate called reconcilliation to reconcile the House and Sehnate bills is the wrong thing to do.

Why call it reconcilliation?

Let the majority rule.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | March 12, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Some great posts here, CC.

1. I do think all of the tv and radio advertising dollars have an effect on healthcare passage. These congressmen and senators know who is in their district and have polling as to what their constituents believe. They also know they need come come election year, which is this year in 8 months. They know which side will be giving to their coffers. So yes, dollars being spent in this areana does affect passage. I do not think this healthcare bill will pass due to the increasingly loud anger against it.

2. Gillibrand's fundraising and her avoidance of a primary has been impressive this far. She will get to run on the same ticket with Cuomo for Gov. and Shumer defending his other US Senate seat. All of those things are pluses for Gillibrand. Her negatives is that she does not appeal strongly to NYC voters and the more liberal sect of the Democratic party. Guiliani and Zuckerman has officially ruled out a Senate race, but far as I know Pataki is still a possible in. If Pataki runs, Gillibrand's seat is in play and if he backs out Gillibrand should cruise to reelection. Cornyn must put on a full court press to get Pataki into this race if R's want to win it.

4. California is definately in play this year. It looks like Tom Campbell is leading now in the R primary, but Fariona has just began to spend to try and win. Well, DeVore has not really began to spend yet. DeVore is the conservative running against 2 moderates. DeVore has gotten the endorsements of the Club for Growth and conservative Senator Jim DeMint. The Club for Growth is likely to spend heavily against Campbell and Fiorina bashing them on not being sufficiently conservative. Don't count DeVore out, as this thing will very likely be a 3 way R primary before this race is over. In polling now, it looks like Campbell would be the strongest R candidate against Boxer but I'm not so sure. DeVore would really motivate the conservative electorate and have plenty of money to spend on the campaign if he were the nominee. Fiorina would certainly have lots of money and run as a moderate and Campbell would have to bet on R gov. candidate Meg Whitman helping him raise money to compete against Boxer. Whitman may also prefer to run on the ticket with DeVore, as he would excite conservatives and she could win over moderates to win the election. The Senate Republican primary should move higher onto the line of primaries, CC, as we move along.

Posted by: reason5 | March 12, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

"the national mood has shifted heavily toward Republicans -"

what utter unredeemable bullsh*t.

Posted by: drindl | March 12, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

And here is 'Democrat" Doug Shoen:

"I previously wrote about what a Democratic wanker Doug Schoen is. But for his jaw-dropping appearance on Hannity on 12/18/09, in which he enthusiastically joined every single Republican talking point and failed to rebut the smears leveled at what was supposed to be his own side, Schoen has taken the cake for Democratic Wankers. And it's a distinction for which he had plenty of competition. Of course, the decade has one more year. So it's quite possible someone could come along and reclaim the prize. With video.

Schoen appeared on the “Great American Panel” segment of Hannity (Priscilla has posted about a different aspect of that panel) with Andrew “I plan to blackmail President Obama” Breitbart and Diana Falzone, from Foxnews.com. So it’s safe to conclude Schoen knew he was going to be the only possible advocate for Democrats there and that he'd be going against at least two strong anti-Democratic voices. But those odds only seemed to stimulate Schoen to join the anti-Democratic club."

these are the kind of dems the Fix always quote -- fake ones.

Posted by: drindl | March 12, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

"I've been thinking about political operative Pat Caddell for years, but haven't written about him because I figured that anyone interested enough to care about the subject must know that Pat Caddell is quite conservative--and rarely disagrees with cable pundits such as Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck. I've watched Caddell, a contributor to Fox News, on so many panels, supposedly there to represent the liberal view and spar with the conservative---but instead he agrees with the conservative almost all the time."

Cadell, the 'Democrat" is, another words, a phony. Shoulda seen him on Glenn Beck, agreeing with everything he said.

Posted by: drindl | March 12, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I fully agree with dove369's analysis on Rasmussen polling techniques. Indeed, Fox News heavily relies on Rasmussen and that in itself ought to tell you something.

I would also be wary of any electoral polling done at a time when partisan emotions are so high as they are during the heat of a congressional fight on a major legislative effort. Note how so many of these polls never add up to a full 100%. That is because there is a high number of people who hang up, or who express no opinion.

I distinctly remember the 2008 Presidential campaign during which Barack Obama was written off a number of times and even right down to the month before the election, pollsters were trying to convey a false impression that McCain was surging. In the weekend just before the election, John McCain was exuding confidence because he was being told by internal pollsters and Rasmussen that there was a dramatic movement in the polls in his direction.

So what happened between Saturday and Tuesday? The voters that turned out in huge numbers for Obama were being discounted by a polling method that always favors republicans--the likely voter model. The very same model pollsters are using right now that undercounts large numbers of urban voters.

I don't know what will happen in the fall but I would not be surprised if on the morning following the election, we read a headline: GOP STUNNED BY DEMOCRATIC PICKUPS!

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 12, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I do agree with doof that if Pelosi doesn't have the votes, it won't come to a vote. She has never lost an actual vote in her tenure as Speaker (I think). Well, it's either that or she's really good at getting the votes she wants. Probably a little of each.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 12, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Republican hush money spending is also up.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35831001/ns/politics-more_politics/

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | March 12, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Mark, I'm pretty sure that at least one of them is a Dick Morris type person. Someone who worked for the Dems, but had a falling out and shills for the other side now.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 12, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Ddawd, thanx. I understand what you wrote. If Caddell and Schoen switched party affiliations and kept it a secret that would surprise me. If they are on the insurance industry payroll that would surprise me much less - they are flaks. I was giving weight to the source as a "D" source with expertise in polling when I raised the question. Attacking the merits of their argument was the right thing to do, and you did it well.

On the other hand, doof, thanks for your response, which is what I think might play out in places like TX. A conservative leaning independent would be relieved by a sudden pivot to jobs and finance reform. Andy thinks HC will pass soon enough for that pivot to occur. Honestly, I thought the Estate Tax revision was a no brainer, last year. So I remain skeptical, I suppose, of almost everything having to be touched by Congress.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 12, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

obama thinks passing a bad health care bill is better than passing nothing at all for democrats. what he means is he thinks it would be better for him and terrible for the members of congress. won't say that though. looking out for himself. that's all.

the democrats in the house are not fooled by obama though. bill will not pass. probably won't even be a vote. embarrass pelosi too much.

Posted by: doof | March 12, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Sad.

This reads like an RNC weekly mass email. Did you at least change up some of the wording? At least today, this space had the good grace to include both the anti- and pro-health care reform ads in the post.

Isn't it worth pointing out the Bush tax cuts were also enacted via the "legislative trick" of reconciliation? And isn't the real problem that they DO have the votes for the health care bill--the majority of the votes--but the opposition is using the filibuster to deny Americans the universal health care coverage the rest of the industrialized world enjoys.

...And can't CNN Campbell Brown's millionaire husband (Senor) afford to pay for a Washington Post ad? Why give him a freebie? Just askin'

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 12, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

It's funny. Republicans were actually going after the parlimentarian recently saying that he's too powerful and that he's going to coddle up to the Dems. (Never mind that he was installed by Trent Lott) Now, of course, they like him since he's requiring that the House pass the bill before reconciliation starts.

I like this ruling too. I think this forces the House to get it signed, meaning there will be a bill in the books. And furthermore, Republicans will be in the position of preventing the Dems from getting rid of things like the Ben Nelson deal.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 12, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Fuge numbers. You don't have those papers. It always matters, it just depends on to who.

Posted by: tossnokia | March 12, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Suppose the D leadership unanimously dropped the HC bill -thud - and said "we are only working on jobs and financial reform to avert another catastrophe this year". Would that not be political gold?

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 12, 2010 8:27 AM

exactly what the democrats should do. hate to say it but it would boost obama polls and every other democrat. good for republicans that democrats don't see this.

all the ad spending is too late. public opinion is already set. minds are made up. house doesn't have the votes. pelosi knows that. vote would have already happened if she did.

Posted by: doof | March 12, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Then you've got this.

"For Democrats to begin turning around their political fortunes there has to be a frank acknowledgement that the comprehensive health-care initiative is a failure, regardless of whether it passes. There are enough Republican and Democratic proposals -- such as purchasing insurance across state lines, malpractice reform, incrementally increasing coverage, initiatives to hold down costs, covering preexisting conditions and ensuring portability -- that can win bipartisan support. It is not a question of starting over but of taking the best of both parties and presenting that as representative of what we need to do to achieve meaningful reform. Such a proposal could even become a template for the central agenda items for the American people: jobs and economic development. "

You're going to read this paragraph and then try and tell me they aren't shilling for Republicans? I'm trying to find the non R talking points in that paragraph. The closest thing I can find is, "It is not a question of starting over..." of course, the rest of that paragraph is all about starting over. "I'm not saying we should start over. I'm just saying that we should put in completely new stuff in the bill." And yeah, anyone who suggests there aren't points of compromise in the bill is either ignorant or lying. I'm going to put these guys in the lying category. Maybe they are just a pair of buffoons, but they seem to be able to construct real sentences, so I doubt it.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 12, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

"Caddell and Schoen are not shilling for the Rs, I think.

Posted by: mark_in_austin "

I think they are. Maybe there's something wrong with me, but I am finding it absolutely impossible to imagine how handing this victory to Republicans is supposed to help Democrats electorally. It really makes zero sense to me. Is McConnell REALLY looking out for Democrats' well-being? Give me a break. Dems need to get stuff done. This is a huge legislative accomplishment. They can't go into another election ceding this to Republicans. The health care bill popularity gap has been tightening and remember that a good amount of the objection is coming from people who feel the bill isn't going far enough.

As for that idiotic article. Mind if I quote?

"First, the battle for public opinion has been lost."
"Their blind persistence in the face of reality..."
"Nothing has been more disconcerting than to watch Democratic politicians and their media supporters deceive themselves..."
"Never in our experience as pollsters can we recall such self-deluding misconstruction of survey data."

Yeah, real even-handed. Their own beloved Rasmussen has been polling that the bill is getting more popular. How do you declare the PR war over?

"Voters are hardly enthralled with the GOP, but the Democrats are pursuing policies that are out of step with the way ordinary Americans think and feel about politics and government. "

This is bullsh*t, Mark. The writers know this and you know this. It's got nothing to do with the policies and everything to do with the PR. Yes, Republicans are winning the PR battle, but when people are told what's in the bill, they support it.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 12, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Nothing relevant or informative about health care reform can be stated in an ad. The issue is too big, too complicated and too important to be reduced to sound bites.

Anyone wishing to have an informed opinion about where we are headed with or without HCR needs to go to better, impartial sources than ads. I suggest:

http://opencrs.com/document/R40517/
http://healthreform.kff.org/
http://www.aarp.org/health/articles/health_reform_get_the_facts.html

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 12, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm trying to post something, but it might be too long or I might not have sanitized all the swear words, heh.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 12, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Andy, thanx. More food for thought, IMO. Ddawd? BB?

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 12, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Mark,
I think there are three reasons why dropping the bill is a bad idea at this point, politically.

First, the democrats have already voted on this and therefore have already given their pound of political flesh per se. Now the idea that they will get NOTHING from that expenditure of political capitol is not appealing at all. Also it has been shown many times that legislation is almost always supported more once it passes (ie Welfare reform, Medicare prescription coverage, etc) so passing the bill is the only way to get something for what they've already invested.

The second reason is that the Democrats want to create a political story for the next 9 months leading to the election. That story is going to be that the Dems are focused on getting results and that the Republicans are only interested in blocking anything they come up with. Now if the GOP does block everything after HCR than they will play right into the Dems trap. If however, they work with Dems and pass a "Jobs bill" and bank reform that will weaken the Dems argmument.

Lastly, the Congress is working on those two things (Jobs and BR) and I think you will see the jobs bill come out very quickly after the HCR bill is passed. Reid will also use the "jobs bill" as a way to speed up the amendment process on the HCR compromise by saying that the GOP is virutally blocking the passage of a jobs bill (and Bank Reform) by putting in hundreds of amendments to slow the process down. This again will play right into the Democratic story that they are trying to get things done and the GOP are just obstructing.

That is BTW, ignoring that fact that the democrats campaigned on this issue and want to pass it cause they think it will fix a major problem facing our country.

Posted by: AndyR3 | March 12, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

DDAWD,
I agree about the procedural stuff. I didn't even know there was such a thing as the Parlimentarian.

I like this quote from the Times article
"When asked if he supports the filibuster and cloture, Dove quoted the advice passed on to him by his predecessor and that he passed on to Frumin: "The rules are perfect and if they're all changed, the rules are still all perfect."

I would bet that one of the reasons why the Senate wants to couple the Student Loan reform with the changes to HCR compromise bill is to create a situation where the pressure will be high to get it done quickly and it will allow the Dems to say that the republicans are trying to 'block' Student Loan reform on top of the fact that they don't like puppies and steal candy from babies.

Posted by: AndyR3 | March 12, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Why shouldn't Ds take Caddell and Schoen seriously about the political consequences? Ddawd and Andy, I am not looking for the response "because they are doing the right thing." Suppose the D leadership unanimously dropped the HC bill -thud - and said "we are only working on jobs and financial reform to avert another catastrophe this year". Would that not be political gold? Again, I am just asking about the scorekeeping of politics. Caddell and Schoen are not shilling for the Rs, I think.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 12, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Here's some news to give a lot of Republicans cranks...wed-gees!

Breaking News:

Judge Strikes Down Congressional Ban on Funding ACORN

This is a win for the rule of law! ACORN, the victim of an orchestrated right wing smear campaign, with major assistance from a lazy news media and a Constitution-ignoring Congress, has had its day in court and it has won a deserved victory there.

Posted by: dove369 | March 12, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

They should simply copy that ad, music and all, and show all those great quotes from 2006 when the Constitutional Option (read Nukular Option) was all the rage with the Rs.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 12, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1969267,00.html

article on the Parlimentarian.

I do have to say this, no matter what your position is on this health care debate, if you're a process junkie, you must be having the time of your life now. I've never seen so much procedural minutiae get so much attention. It's pretty cool.

And Ezra Klein's blog is must reading for this debate.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/

Posted by: DDAWD | March 12, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I think this is really coming down to the ability of the House to trust the Senate to pass this thing. It seems like they've got the votes. The Parlimentarian has said that the Senate bill must be passed by the House (and Obama) before the sidecar can be considered. (makes sense. you can't alter a law if it's not a law yet)

I can't see Democrats not having 50 Senate votes to do this. It will then come down to Republicans who can theoretically proposed an unlimited number of amendments which they will try to do. However, the parlimentarian can put the kibosh on that if he deems that Republicans are just trying to delay the bill rather than raise legitimate concerns. I think that will be the real roadblock here, though. The two major points of contention are whether the House can pass the current Senate bill. It seems like they can, but it's not done until it's done. They can almost certainly pass the sidecar. The Senate can almost certainly pass it as well with 50 votes (Biden serves as a tiebreaker) Then you have to overcome the Republican delaying tactics and the parlimentarian can do that.

But I think the goal is to set all this into motion next week.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 12, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

DDAWD,
I agree that the reconcilliation stuff is overblown. Also I think the GOP needs to be careful not to overplay there hand on it as well. Everytime I hear McConnell start talking about how it is OK to use reconcilliation on this but not that, and that Sen Byrd doesn't agree with this, blah blah blah. I just tune it out, and I LIKE politics. The Senate wont' be the problem on this front it will be the house biting the bullet and passing the senate version so the president can sign it into law and than quickly passing the reconcilliation portion and forcing the senate to do the same.

#2-there is no way that this Senor guy goes anywhere against Gillenbrand. She has shown that she knows how to handle herself on the big stage, and with the money that she has already raised she should win in a walk.
#3-Vitter isn't the brightest bulb on the tree, but I can't really see him losing at this point. The economic situation will really need to bounce back in a major way for Vitter to go down I would think.

California is going to reelect Boxer, period. This happens every election in California and everytime the GOP senate candidates get crushed. They just can't overcome the SF, LA bias of the state electorate.

Posted by: AndyR3 | March 12, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Here Is Some Background On Ex-Republican Operator Scott Rasmussen That The Traditional Media Refuses To Point Out, Despite It Being Obvious And Readily Available:

For the period from 18 months to 4 months before any November election, Rasmussen uses a likely voter ("LV") screen which is manipulated to heavily and disproportionately overweight the poll with Republican voters.

1.This (obviously) shows Republicans in a better position than all other pollsters.

2. The purpose of his "polls" during this time frame is to:
a) Convince hesitant potential Republican candidates to run
b.) Convince Republican incumbents not to retire,
c.) Convince corporations and large individual donors to give more cash to Republican candidates and committees

3. Scott Rasmussen had admitted he doesn't poll urban and the young! (in short he only poll republican whites conservative voters!


In sum: Rasmussen polls more than 5 months from elections are partisan tools for media and candidate and donor consumption and should be seen as such!

In 2001 Rasmussen self-published a book on privatizing Social Security, titled A Better Deal; Social Security Choice, and thus joined the Republican effort to promote that issue.

In 2003 and 2004, as a campaign consultant, Rasmussen received $95,500 from the Republican National Committee and another $45,500 from the George W. Bush campaign.

NEXT TIME ONE OF THESE CRANK PUMPS OUT A RASMMUSSEN POLLE...TELL THEM THANKS AND PROCCEED TO USED IT FOR BUTT WIPERS!

Posted by: dove369 | March 12, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

I doubt the reconciliation stuff will matter. People care about results, not process. I don't remember people getting riled up about reconciliation before. Yeah, people like the filibuster in abstract, but its the type of sin that is easily forgiven.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 12, 2010 6:55 AM | Report abuse

It is rolicking sport to play back liberals own words. The hypocrisy is breathtaking. They are running one of Nancy denouncing corruption. She is a bad joke on the country.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 12, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

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