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Health care vote: The final countdown

1. In six days time, President Obama's health care bill will almost certainly have either passed or failed -- although which of those two options will be better for Democrats politically this fall remains an open question.

With the president having pushed back his planned foreign trip three days to ensure all hands on deck as the bill maneuvers its way through the House, a host of party leaders and strategists spun their way through the Sunday talk shows yesterday as observers try to discern whether or not Democrats can find the votes to pass the measure. White House senior adviser David Axelrod was everywhere on Sunday -- he appeared on three different shows -- to push what we are calling the "short term pain, long term gain" argument. On ABC's "This Week", Axelrod urged House Members "to leave the politics aside, to leave the partisanship aside, to resist the special interests and get the job done." (Politicians NEVER, especially in an election year, put the politics aside.)

Even as Axelrod was appealing to members' better angels, House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (S.C.) told Tom Brokaw on "Meet the Press" that the party still didn't have the votes to pass the Senate plan but quickly pivoted to note that he was "very confident that we will get this done."

Republicans, confident that they hold the political high ground in the debate, denounced the bill (and the tactics being used to pass it) in strong terms -- a precursor of what's to come in the fall campaign if the legislation goes through. Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander, appearing on CBS' "Face the Nation" called the Democratic approach in these final days "the most brazen act of political arrogance that I can remember since the Watergate era." House Minority Leader John Boehner (Ohio) told CNN's Candy Crowley that the White House and Democratic leaders took "a couple of Republican bread crumbs and put them on top of their 2,700-page bill," stressing that this was not bipartisan legislation.

As the Post's Dan Eggen notes in his story Monday on the jockeying over health care, it's not entirely clear yet whether Democratic optimism is born out of a knowledge that the votes will be there for health care or rather an attempt to build some sort of momentum behind the legislation. (White House pollster Joel Benenson penned an op-ed in the Post over the weekend making the momentum case for the bill.)

One important thing to remember amid all of the health care hullabaloo set for this week; a new Gallup poll found that health care (20 percent) ranked behind unemployment (31 percent) and the economy in general (24 percent) when Americans were asked to name the most important problem facing the country. Health care does -- and will -- matter to voters but the economy and jobs still look like they will still have the most influence over voters this fall.

2. Controversial Florida Democratic Rep. Alan Grayson continues to burnish his, um, reputation -- this time with an email sent from his campaign that tears into former Alaska governor Sarah Palin. Palin, according to Grayson, started it -- political life really is like high school -- by attacking him during a speech in Orlando last Friday night.

Grayson, never one to walk away from a fight, unleashed a series of attacks against the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee that ventured into the personal. Among our favorites: 1) Grayson referred to Palin as a "former half-term Governor, current-nothing and future-even-less" and an "Alaskan chillbilly" (whatever that is). 2) He derided her "folksy folksiness and her homespun homespunnery." 3) He noted that "atypically, Palin was wearing clothes that she had paid for herself." But wait, there's more! In his closing paragraph, Grayson wrote: "Scientists are studying Sarah Palin's travel between Alaska and Florida carefully. They hope to learn more about the flight patterns of that elusive migratory species, the wild Alaskan dingbat." WOW.

As we wrote just days ago, Grayson seems to revel in his penchant for conservative-baiting despite the fact that his Orlando-area district is swing territory; President Obama won it with 52 percent in 2008.

3. Arizona Sen. John McCain (R) took time away from his contentious primary fight against former representative J.D. Hayworth to wade into another intraparty squabble -- in New Hampshire -- this past weekend.

McCain was in the Granite State, which launched his 2000 bid for the presidency and saved his candidacy eight years later, to stump for former state attorney general Kelly Ayotte. "She believes in law and order, she understands fiscal responsibility," McCain said of Ayotte at a town hall gathering in Nashua on Saturday. Ayotte, who resigned her post to seek the seat of retiring Sen. Judd Gregg (R), is the favorite of the Washington establishment but has run into some primary trouble in the state in the form of free-spending businessman Bill Binnie and 1996 gubernatorial nominee Ovide Lamontagne.

Lamontagne, seeking to blunt the positive press for Ayotte from the McCain visit, posted a letter to the Arizona senator on his Web site pronouncing himself "disappointed" that the party's 2008 presidential nominee chose to involve himself in the Sept. 14 primary. "I have become accustomed to the D.C. establishment and party bosses choosing sides and telling New Hampshire voters who to support for U.S. Senate in this campaign," wrote Lamontagne. "I have elected to ignore both the 'wisdom' of the establishment as well as the politics of entitlement, because it is the voters of New Hampshire who should decide the outcome of this race."

While Republicans seem headed toward a bruising -- and expensive -- race in the early fall, Democratic Rep. Paul Hodes has a clear field and can stockpile cash for the final sprint to November.

4. New York Gov. David Paterson (D) has yet to call the special election to fill the seat of former representative Eric Massa (D) but Republicans are already doing everything they can to avoid a repeat of the 23rd district special last year that exposed deep rifts between moderates and conservatives in the party.

In the wake of Massa's implosion, er, resignation last week, a number of prominent Republicans saw their names floated. But, one by one they stepped aside -- the latest being Monroe County Executive Maggie Brooks who has been touted as a potential statewide candidate -- for lieutenant governor -- this November. Those no-go decisions leave Tom Reed, the mayor of Corning as the odds-on Republican candidate. Reed, who was elected mayor of Corning in 2007, was in the race prior to Massa's resignation although the race was not considered a top-tier pickup opportunity by national Republicans.

Democrats have yet to settle on a candidate of their own although the eight chairmen of the counties in the 29th did meet by conference call late last week to discuss the possibilities. Assemblyman Dave Koon, Assemblywoman Susan John and Brighton town supervisor Sandra Frankel are mentioned. The eight county chairs will pick the nominee. The special will be held roughly a month(!) after Paterson officially declares the seat vacant.

5. The best week of the year -- the first week of the NCAA men's basketball tournament -- starts today. Despite the Fix's beloved Georgetown Hoyas being put in the most difficult region (Midwest), we remain optimistic. You can fill out your bracket and/or participate in the Post's picking competition. Our recommendation: Pick those Hoyas further than you might think. This team's got heart.

By Chris Cillizza  |  March 15, 2010; 6:09 AM ET
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absolute proof that frivl is zouk:
"today they called and said my my yacht repairs are almost done"

In 2008 during the election we heard daily bragging by zouk about how McCain would protect his Ferrari.
Anyone who truly had that much money it would seem would have better things to do with their life but to come here and brag about their things; surely a sign of a shallow an insecure person.

mark after McCoy's disappointment at the national championship game we now have the horn's total collapse in basketball. I'm guessing that Rick Barnes might be toast.

We will need to start talking about potential replacement for SCJ Stevens soon. Look for R obstruction and demands that a antiabotion conservative be selected by Obama b/c as Rs think, they control Congress.

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Posted by: MarlenaNolen | March 16, 2010 5:40 AM | Report abuse

But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively


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How hard is that ????

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 16, 2010 2:07 AM | Report abuse

Christ this 37th guy is sick.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 16, 2010 1:43 AM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


Why should you be telling the Washington Post what to print ??


Seriously.


I think the Obama people got so used to the press fawning over them, that they forgot what the press is supposed to be like: critical.


Obama is the worse President since Hoover, and perhaps Buchanan - definitely worse than Jimmy Carter.

There is an economic crisis going on - which Obama is ignoring - in favor of some ego trip - it really is the sickest thing ever - the sickest thing a President has ever done in American history.

All the democrats who voted for Obama - it's your fault - take some personal responsibility and say clearly that is was really stupid to vote for someone with such little experience - and who had such little track-record that no one knew he was going to swing all the way to the left.

A vote for Obama is the MOST IRRESPONSIBLE THING YOU COULD HAVE DONE TO THIS COUNTRY.

You were lucky to be born in America - and look how you have treated the country in return.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 16, 2010 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Hey pissjug, he didn't make any assertions he needs to defend. He questioned yours. You seem unable to corroborate them.

As if there's any doubt what you pulled them out of.

Ewwwwww

Posted by: Noacoler | March 16, 2010 1:03 AM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade


You back up your assertions with a link from a well -known source.

What is good for other is good for you.

You are acting like Obama - who thinks the rules don't apply to him, and the world is one giant affirmative action program.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 16, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Why should Obama make any compromises with Republicans?  What would be the point of that?  They've made it as clear as they can that they don't want Obama to get the bill, or any bill, passed; they're so infantile and petulant in their election loss that they only want him, and America, to fail.  They come right out and say so.

Moreover, any compromised with Republicans will be in the direction of NO bill.  They still nurture their psychotic belief in market-based health care, which is what we have now, which is what countries with cheaper and more universal health care don't have.  Republicans want to protect the insurance companies and given their way would deregulate even further to liberate those "market forces" that George Will is always yammering about.

Obama should have told the GOP to take their ball and go home and give him a call when they're ready to grow the hell up.  I doubt that phone would ever ring.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 16, 2010 12:50 AM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade


Where is your proof ??


Seriously man - do not make assertions without offering proof


What is wrong with you ????

That is all we need - to say that you are saying things without proof.

You can look through the press reports at the time. But Obama is a liar - and the whole summit as a bipartisan effort on Obama's part is a farce, deception and LIE.

So take that and stuff it.

Your pal Obama is LIAR.

And that is true.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 16, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

The assertion, 37th, was that Republicans would be given equal mike time. One quote. That's all that's required. Oh, and a pelt from a snipe if you wouldn't mind.

Well, I shouldn't keep you up so that you can start posting bright and early tomorrow morning.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 16, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade


I don't have to prove anything to you - you are making the assertion so the burden is on you.

I am simply reporting what was reported on television.

Sorry you are the one setting it up - you prove it.


Otherwise, you can stuff it

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 16, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

The burden of proof is on an individual making an assertion. You may as well claim that there are fairies dancing in the middle of the moon.

Oh, and Obama picked up on four ideas offered by the Republicans. They were too busy reciting talking points to listen.

Game. Set. Match.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 16, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade


How do you know it is not true ?? Seriously are you on the inside of the negotiations.

If you are - answer this.

Why didn't Obama offer ONE compromise in the middle ground - during the entire day ????

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 16, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Obama agreed to give equal time to both sides - and then when he got there he said his talking time didn't count - that was ridiculous - so the democrats ended up with twice the talking time when they agreed otherwise. I guess you can expect Obama to lie and his actions to never ever match his words.

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You keep making that statement. Without ever giving any proof that it's the truth. So, it appears to be the case that you make up whatever you want and then claim anything contradicting the fiction is a lie. Must be pretty good stuff that you've got.

IS

IT

A

LIE

Umm, yeah. Mmmm mmmm mm mmm

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 16, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


I'm not sure what you mean by all of that at 9:24 - but yea, this week it is Nancy, Nancy Nancy - Marsha, Marsha, Marsha.

She is the Speaker.

I'm not sure what you are talking about - The Speaker is the Speaker - If one had a Lyndon Johnson figure in there that would be one thing - but this is Nancy and Obama - and the interaction between them is the subject of how the votes get done.

Obama appears to take a back seat to Nancy - at first by choice, but now because of Obama's weakened political position he just does not hold that much sway.


However, it sure seems like Obama is going out there - and then telling Nancy to do all the heavy lifting.

AND then Obama is pushing these deadlines - but he isn't the one doing the work - you know that might be OK the first few times, but at this point everyone is tired of it.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 15, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

... each of my natural children just made my figure better and better ...

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 15, 2010 9:51 PM
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I believed every word til I read then and knew you were kiddin.

One sister to another...

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

leapin, drivl -- I've told you guys before: I'm a fashion model psychiatrist married to a millionaire lawyer and philanthropist. We're so superior we get to vote twice! We live in a mansion, have 18 adopted children (all cripples who go to Horace Mann) and each of my natural children just made my figure better and better - and here comes the maid with my husband's nightly gift of jewels. Monday is pearl night!

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 15, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Wonder how this firefight will play out. My bet is that Dick Armey will lose this one.

Dick Armey: Tom Tancredo is ‘destructive’ to Republicans on immigration
By Alex Pappas — The Daily Caller 03/15/10 at 3:46 PM

Former Republican House leader Dick Armey said staunch anti-immigration opponents such as Rep. Tom Tancredo are destructive to Republicans — and are alienating a “natural” constituency that could help the party win elections.

“Who in the Republican Party was the genius that said that now that we have identified the fastest-growing voting demographic in America, let’s go out and alienate them?” Armey said, referencing Hispanics, during a luncheon in Washington at the National Press Club.

http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/15/dick-armey-tom-tancredo-is-destructive-to-republicans-on-immigration/

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

@37th,

You seem to have a Nancy-centric view of the world. The healthcare bill came back to life because of Nancy...it's all about Nancy.

Why do you think she is more powerful than anyone else, even more powerful than everyone else? You seem to think she is like the Lord and can raise Lazarus. And yet, as powerful as she is, she isn't powerful enough to tell the President anything.

Your theory is too incredible for my taste.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

12Bar


Nancy still has a leadership position - and she has to play along to a certain extent - her position is probably - well, this thing was dead, I didnt want to bring it back, if the votes are there, fine, but if they arent the tension with the White House is going to kick in again - and the blame game begins again.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 15, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

37th,

So, what did resurrect HCR from the grave?

Why would I be unhappy with the President when we are on the edge of passing the bill? I'm only unhappy with the President for not exerting his leadership earlier.

Unlike you, I don't believe for one little minute that the Republicans would have gone along with the President on ANY provision of HCR, no matter how simple or obvious. I think that the time spent trying to develop a bi-partisan solution was a waste of time.

The R's would rather have the issue to campaign on than be co-authors of the solution.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, 12BB. How dare Obama not pass a bill of tort reform and undercover patients?? I'm sure that's all that's standing between you and a doctor, right?

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


I disagree on how Obama looked at the health care summit.


Instead of making one statement that would "bring people together" or "find a compromise in the middle ground" all Obama did was talk talk talk.

The timing that Obama talked more than anyone else was silly - Obama would have been far better off if he was the one listening -

Obama agreed to give equal time to both sides - and then when he got there he said his talking time didn't count - that was ridiculous - so the democrats ended up with twice the talking time when they agreed otherwise. I guess you can expect Obama to lie and his actions to never ever match his words.

Getting back to health care, if you really wanted it passed, you should be angry at Obama for not agreeing to the bill that everyone could agree on - the compromise bill.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 15, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if HCR is going to pass or not. But, a month ago, I had completely given it up for dead. Then, the President resurrected the issue, had the HCR Summit, and took the leadership. I didn't have any optimism about the Summit, and no one else did either, but for some reason, the President came out of that meeting looking like the leader and everyone else, of both parties, came out looking for a leader. Who would have guessed!

I admit, I have a personal interest in the passage. I am uninsured and uninsurable. I look forward to paying premiums and finally getting to see a doctor and just having a physical. Right now, my dog gets better healthcare than I do.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

It's "Cayman," zouky. One would think you could spell it if you were going there. But of course that's just a fantasy; two weeks from now you'll still be here all day, posting as drivl and moonbat and all the others, posting about dribbl and ped and Barry.

I was there in 2000. A grateful dotcom bought the whole trip for my partner and I. Loved the stingray tour, standing on a sandbar in four feet of water in open ocean.

If you must make extravagent claims, at least learn to spell them. No "grammar marks" to confound you.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 15, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Well, 37th,

If Nancy is just going through some elaborate hokey pokey to tell the President she doesn't have the votes-- she sure is going to piss off a lot of people on these committees who are writing language, writing rules, voting. Probably would be easier to just send an email to the White House, don't you think?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

obama's demand for house dems vote for obamacare

is like the rattlesnake that needed to cross the river in freezing weather

the snake asked the foolish man if he could cross with him in the boat

the man said “no--you will bite and kill me”

“oh no” said the snake, “then how would i get across the river?”

that made sense to the foolish man

who put the snake under his coat and crossed the river

halfway across the river the snake bit the man

as the man was dying, he began to cut off the snakes head and asked

"why did you do this?now we will both die"

"you knew what i was," hissed the snake

Posted by: ProCounsel | March 15, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

12bb, nothing really. Just standard procedure. These things go through committees before coming to floor votes. Not all bills are so standard to go through committee (that's the point of them, to weed stuff out) but there's no way this doesn't get through.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

12BarB
This is from the 44 blog...

Step 1 (Today)

The House Budget Committee got the ball rolling Monday by approving, on a 21 to 16 vote, the reconciliation bill.

But that vote wasn't on the actual changes to the health-care bill that Democrats want to make. Instead, the committee voted on what's known as a "shell bill" -- a measure whose contents will be erased later in the process and replaced with the guts of a new bill. Why? Because under the instructions written into last year's budget, the reconciliation process must use a measure written no later than Oct. 15, 2009.

The Budget Committee is now considering a series of "motions to instruct" the Rules Committee -- legislative recommendations from Republicans and Democrats that are totally symbolic and nonbinding, but can be used to score political points.

After the Budget Committee approves the reconciliation measure, the Rules Committee must wait at least two days before it takes up the bill, technically so members have time to review it.

Step 2 (Wednesday/Thursday)

Once the requisite two days have passed, the House Rules Committee begins the real work of creating the reconciliation bill.

That panel -- on which Democrats have a 9 to 4 membership advantage -- will swap out the old reconciliation language sent by the Budget Committee, substituting the actual amendments that have been crafted in consultation with Democratic leaders, chairmen and the White House.

The committee will also write a rule setting the terms of debate, likely choosing one of two options.

The first option would be to have a vote on the rule, then a vote on the original Senate bill and then a vote on the reconciliation bill.

The second option -- dubbed the "Slaughter solution" after Rules Committee Chairman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) -- would use what's called a "self-executing rule," under which the House would "deem" the original Senate bill passed after the House votes on the rule for debate.

In other words, the House could pass the original Senate bill without lawmakers actually taking a stand-alone vote on it. Then the House would vote on the reconciliation measure.

Under either option, the House is also likely to vote on a Republican "motion to recommit" on the reconciliation measure, which would represent the GOP's proposal for a substitute bill.

Step 3 (Friday/Saturday/Sunday?)

The House votes, following one of the two scenarios explained above. If the Senate bill passes (or is "deemed" passed by the House), then it goes to President Obama for his signature, regardless of what happens with the reconciliation bill.

If the reconciliation measure passes the House, then it goes to the Senate for a vote as early as next week. That chamber could pass the reconciliation bill as is, or it could amend the measure, sending it back to the House again.

By Ben Pershing | March 15, 2010; 4:18 PM ET
Categories: 44 The Obama Presidency , Health Care

Posted by: shrink2 | March 15, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

senior citizens

obamacare will, directly or indirectly, STEAL your social security check

how??

well everyone knows america can not afford obamacare, its cots TRILLIONS more than all of WW2-- even accounting for the money difference of inflation

and the dems spend money they borrow like drunk sailors

so either the dems will directly just STEAL your social security check to pay for obamacare for those who do not work like you did

or worse, indirectly obamacare will cause so much debt the dollar will erode in value

either way obamacare is STEALING your social security check

and you KNOW obama wastes money

if you are in a care facility ask about this tomorrow

call your congress member tomorrow and tell her to vote NO on obamcare

she is in the front of your phone book–

obamacare–america just can not afford it–

even the aarp--who support obamacare, admit

"Today, the financial security of 41 million older Americans depends on Social Security - the guaranteed benefit they worked all their lives to receive. Unfortunately, our nations' economic crisis will deny Social Security recipients next year's cost of living adjustment (COLA) - an increase they count on to help make ends meet. Tell Congress to provide relief to older Americans"

and obama will STEAL your money to pay for obamacare and give it to people who did not earn it--unlesss YOU stop him

Posted by: ProCounsel | March 15, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

WaPo wrote today
House Budget Committee approves reconciliation bill

By Lori Montgomery
A key House committee voted Monday to advance President Obama's plan to overhaul the nation's health-care system, clearing the way for the House to vote on the measure later this week.

The House Budget Committee voted 21 to 16 to send the health care legislation to the House Rules Committee. That panel is expected to meet Thursday to draft new language for the reconciliation bill, compiling a package of fixes to the $875 billion measure that passed the Senate on Christmas Eve.
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Can anyone please explain what this means? Please, no snarky comments.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues

Its all speculation - obviously - however for Nancy to start moving toward a vote - and be so far behind in the counts at this point - there must be some reasoning behind all this. AND I believe there is substantial tension between the House leadership and Obama at this point.

Obama is being unrealistic.

However, Obama wants the House leadership to do all the heavy lifting - and take most of the political risks. That is a big joke.


well.


Obama should be the one doing the heavy lifting - he is the one who went around the country saying he could do all this - but he wants others to do it for him - and then he wants others to take all the poltical risk too - TELL OBAMA TO GO STUFF IT.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 15, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

However if there is a pre-existing condition for ugliness you're in big trouble.


Posted by: leapin |

the ugliness will only assure her of not reproducing, thank god. It is the stupidity that will probably kill her.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

today they called and said my my yacht repairs are almost done.

Only two weeks until my Caymen trip.

My funding for organizational topology was approved for the rest of the year.

enjoy your envy Ped. you are a total loser. Now get back to those red and green exclamation marks. your boss is watching.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Nancy claimed she had the votes about 8 months back. She said she could win anytime.

since then she has never actually had the votes she claimed.

Clyburn today told the truth - they still don't have the votes.

now where did I put that pole vault?

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Hahahhahahaha

the titanic financial success who does nothing but post about "dribble" and "ped" and "barry" 24/7/52.

yeah I believe it.

Hahahahah

say hi to the galactic emperor for me, daydreamer

Posted by: Noacoler | March 15, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

At some point this week, Nancy will tell Obama that the votes are not there - and she is anticipating Obama refusing to believe that scenario - at which point Nancy is planning on turning the vote-getting over to Obama and stepping back - keeping the vote. When it becomes clear that health care will fail, 70 democrats will switch to a no vote.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 15, 2010 6:11 PM
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37th, you crack me up. No, really, you do. First, Nancy does this...then she does that...then Obama does this...

Just like the ole Hokey Pokey--

You put your left foot in,
You put your left foot out;
You put your left foot in,
And you shake it all about.
You do the Hokey-Pokey,
And you turn yourself around.
That's what it's all about!

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I just returned from my son getting a promotion in Karate.

Note that God in his wisdom has forbidden Ped to ever experience the joy of family and legacy and certainly not teach any one poor youth about his values, other than the sandbox tots he hires for his peccedillios. Instead, he will be counting his gold, whatever is left, under the bridge, eating out of a can, with the other trolls.

He recently bragged about selling everything and mustering 500K. this was before the big downturn in gold. Ped, that is about what I paid in taxes (I mean fees) last year.

Loser.

Seems like a lot of pent up moonnbat demand here today.

Let me be clear, to borrow a phrase, this means the intelligence will be sucked out like so many DDAWD crawdad heads.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

He'd need a nuclear powered hydraulic speculum for that.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 15, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I see Ped is upholding his usual posting standards.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

"leapin" must be short for "helpmemyheadisstuckwherethesundontshine"

Posted by: jmfromdc | March 15, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Anyone opposed to abortion should read leapin's post below and reconsider. This creep should definitely have been aborted

Posted by: Noacoler
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Along with your ma?

Posted by: leapin | March 15, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Anyone opposed to abortion should read leapin's post below and reconsider. This creep should definitely have been aborted

Posted by: Noacoler | March 15, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure everyone posting here has a family member with something that would make every insurance company turn their back.

Posted by: margaretmeyers
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I can tell stories and healthcare insurance/providers that have given the go ahead for care when they were not obligated to. However if there is a pre-existing condition for ugliness you're in big trouble.

Posted by: leapin | March 15, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama and Nancy do not have the votes - Nancy is showing the rift between the House and Obama by calling the vote around Obama's deadline and allowing the chips to fall where they will.


Obama is completely out of touch with the country.

Nancy and Steny have looked at the calendar - and they realize that Obama is so ridiculous that Obama would drag the health care debate out into June - the House's only chance is to kill the bill and get it done as fast a possible.

The negotiations on the "fixes aren't even going well" - the House committee started with a 2300 page bill - and the idea that the House is going to hand the Senate a bunch of carte-blanche changes, well that is a little bit unrealistic.

At some point this week, Nancy will tell Obama that the votes are not there - and she is anticipating Obama refusing to believe that scenario - at which point Nancy is planning on turning the vote-getting over to Obama and stepping back - keeping the vote. When it becomes clear that health care will fail, 70 democrats will switch to a no vote.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 15, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Thinnest argument in weeks. Hint, tyke, when you have to fall back on relativism, it's over.

Who said anything about popularity? If socialism was so horrible it would have a bad rep without uh people like you throwing out silky neologisms. As you see, though, that isn't the case.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 15, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I was talking with a friend at work. We're both federal employees and content with our government-run FEHB plans. She is against the reform plan, though -- she's against universal coverage and the govt telling insurance companies what to do. I was amazed by this and I reminded her that her own son has irritable bowel syndrome, and in a 6 years will be 25 and off of her insurance and ... most probably unisurable.

She'd never thought of that. 25 and uninsurable for a lifetime, without reform. I'm sure everyone posting here has a family member with something that would make every insurance company turn their back.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 15, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Events are leaving your outlook ever further behind and ever less relevant.

Posted by: Noacoler
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Whatever is currently popular has no relevance to what is right or good for your soul and never will. Someday it may be legal and popular to rape. Opposition to that would not leave one further behind and ever less relevant.

Posted by: leapin | March 15, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I hope the young minds you refer to can handle that they will HAVE to buy health insurance for themselves.
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Anybody hear Sean Hannity's weekly "man on the street" interviews, mostly with young people in NYC?

He always asks them what they know about politics, who they voted for, and eventually works around to Karl Marx. Almost EVERY person knows little about politics, voted for Obama and never heard of Karl Marx.

Then Sean calls them Marxists. Almost EVERY person says "yeah, whatever, man".

Does that tell you something about how times have changed?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

heh, I remember playing the very first Dragon Quest. That must have been like 20 years ago.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

"Obummer"

you have to wonder if folks like this ever made it past 4th grade.

Posted by: drindl | March 15, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Short attention spans can't handle a 21 year passage of time since thhe fall of the Berlin Wall? I hope the young minds you refer to can handle that they will HAVE to buy health insurance for themselves. We will see their reactions to having less $$$ for their video game purchases.
 
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And even for someone born ten years before the Wall came down it’s not resonant.  So your eye-rolling about “Socialism” is mostly aimed at an aging part of the electorate, and even most of those have gotten over it.
 
Events are leaving your outlook ever further behind and ever less relevant.
 
As for your backlash opiate, do you see people marching with signs in their outrage at being required to buy auto insurance?  No?  Then what makes you so sure they’ll do the same about health insurance?  Not too bright.
 
Yeah, video game purchases.  Uh-huh.  You mean SquareEnix subscriptions, don’t you?  $14.95 / month?  My God you’re messed up.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 15, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

wonder what it is about CC's blog that attracts the stupidest people on earth, not to mention the really hard core unemployed?


Posted by: drindl
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Since you are 2 out of 2 please feel free to explain.

Posted by: leapin | March 15, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Anyway it isn't ignorance, it's the passage of time. To GenY the Soviet Union is an entry in history books. About as scary as the battle of the Monitor and the Merrimac.

And for someone so very immature you seem stuck in the dead past.

Posted by: Noacoler
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Short attention spans can't handle a 21 year passage of time since thhe fall of the Berlin Wall? I hope the young minds you refer to can handle that they will HAVE to buy health insurance for themselves. We will see their reactions to having less $$$ for their video game purchases.

Posted by: leapin | March 15, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

newsflash, tyke, Reagan's not president anymore and most of the voters don't even remember Duck And Cover. Rolling your eyes about Socialism doesn't really resonate. Try to catch up.

Posted by: Noacoler
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Bragging about the ignorance of Obummer voters impresses who?

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"obummer"

how old are you, nine?

Anyway it isn't ignorance, it's the passage of time. To GenY the Soviet Union is an entry in history books. About as scary as the battle of the Monitor and the Merrimac.

And for someone so very immature you seem stuck in the dead past.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 15, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"Good afternoon statist tools of Barry's banana republic. "

I wonder what it is about CC's blog that attracts the stupidest people on earth, not to mention the really hard core unemployed?

Posted by: drindl | March 15, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Concerning the very first sentence of this column,seriously Mr. Cillizza, if you don't know that it is better for the Democratic party to actually lead than to get pushed around by a fascistic minority, how do you still have a job?

Posted by: wbowers | March 15, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

The Onion NAILS it again:
 
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/racial_slur_development_not
 
“God Hates … errrr, ummmm …..”

Posted by: Noacoler | March 15, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

newsflash, tyke, Reagan's not president anymore and most of the voters don't even remember Duck And Cover. Rolling your eyes about Socialism doesn't really resonate. Try to catch up.

Posted by: Noacoler
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Bragging about the ignorance of Obummer voters impresses who?

Posted by: leapin | March 15, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Why anyone is surprised that barry fails (again) is quite revealing about the gullibility of the liberals and the dinosaur media.

Headline:

Surprising reversal of fortune for Pelosi. Health care fails.

Last minute dirty dealing not enough to overcome horrible process and rules

Obama still waiting for first accomplishment.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

There's really little to wonder about when it comes to those like leapin who invent their own terms.

It just sounds so idiotic to invent your own unshared terms and then get all irate over them.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 15, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse


and curious why we should believe a R about a D vote count? It is likely they are still a few votes short from 216 ...

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 4:39 PM


the vote is planned, not scheduled yet. tells me Drier is right.

Posted by: doof | March 15, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Good afternoon statist tools of Barry's banana republic. The most ethical and open administration in banana republic history.

Posted by: leapin | March 15, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse


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I see the Stooges are now all set to flood the blog with their idiocy.
Posted by: drivl '|

So saith the Stooge.

drivel in, drivel out.

Posted by: drindl | March 15, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

and curious why we should believe a R about a D vote count? It is likely they are still a few votes short from 216 but since Drier goes on and then gives his rehearsed lines about why he opposes HC reform, why should anyone other than like minded Rs listen to his opinion about the vote count? I suspect his partisan opinions are not much better than zouk's.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

democrats still far off from number of votes they need.

"In a press conference on Capitol Hill today, Rep. David Dreier (R., Calif.), ranking Republican on the House Rules Committee, said the word around the House is that Democrats are still about 10 votes away from securing the 216 they will need to pass changes to the health-care bill. Dreier added that that number might be moving in the wrong direction for Democrats."

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODhlMjg0MTM3MWMwZDg5MTdmZWFiNjQ5NzM3YjlhYTg=

Posted by: doof | March 15, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

sorry to say mark that Ted Kennedy opposed the Nixon HC plan. Oh how life changes when today Richard Nixon would be characterized by the GOP as a flaming liberal.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I see the Stooges are now all set to flood the blog with their idiocy.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/Blog/The-Costs-of-Failure.aspx

If we had adopted UHC under Nixon's plan we would be in great shape now. There's more.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 15, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Alinsky style thuggery turns out to be almost identical to the thuggery of the Marxist thugs who are destroying Latin America with Marxist "help-the-poor" SCAMS like Obamacare.

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oh look another piece of becksam floating by

newsflash, tyke, Reagan's not president anymore and most of the voters don't even remember Duck And Cover. Rolling your eyes about Socialism doesn't really resonate. Try to catch up.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 15, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

The reconciliation bill passed the House Budget Committee.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much the same thing day after day. What pitiful little minds these clowns have.

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ummm, you're not exactly on firm ground here talking about anyone else doing the same thing day after day.

Ever thought about, you know, doing something with you life? I mean, if a $5000 score is its apotheosis, well, that's pretty sad. I gain or lose that much on a SLOW day and I'm not even into finance.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 15, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much the same thing day after day.
Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 3:57 PM |

over and over and over again all day long.

drivel in, drivel out.

Posted by: drindl | March 15, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, drivl, much of what we know is in the Obamacare scam is absolutely contrary to any US law"

LOL. Oh yes, you are clearly a legal scholar. Clearly.

Where do they find these clowns?

Posted by: drindl | March 15, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama and his comrades still don't have the votes to force us to swallow the Obamacare scam, but they think they can steal even more money from us -- and from our children and grandchildren -- to pay for additional BRIBES to get those votes.

The bribes alone are going to cost us billions!

To get the House to pass the Obamacare scam, Obama and his comrades lied, manipulated, intimidated, coerced and bribed (at our expense) Big Pharma, the AARP, the AMA, “Catholics” like Cao, insurance companies, etc.

To get the Senate to pass the scam, Obama and his comrades perfected the lies, the manipulation, and the intimidation. And they BRIBED (at our expense) additional organizations and people like Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, and Mary Landrieu.

Mong the latest to be BRIBED is Jim Matheson of Utah? Matheson recently moved from a solid "No" to "Undecided" right after he met Obama at the White House and Chicago-style Obama nominated Matheson’s brother to a federal judgeship.

Obama's Alinsky style thuggery turns out to be almost identical to the thuggery of the Marxist thugs who are destroying Latin America with Marxist "help-the-poor" SCAMS like Obamacare.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | March 15, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it folks. If health care fails it will be because of self serving democrats who always want something for themselves for doing the work that they got elected for. The same thing happened in '94 when Democratic senator Sam Nunn almost singlehandedly stopped health care reform.
He was smart enough not to run in the next election. So, if it happens again,this Democrat will have to conclude that Democrats are just too incompetent or perhaps too crooked to run this country. In addition, if it fails again, a lot of fine congress people will lose their jobs because they can not deliver on what they promise.

Posted by: Opa2 | March 15, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure zouk/doof/moonbat/drivl/Ace McNumbnuts's mommy hates him as much as Larry Klayman's mommy hates Larry. No wonder z/d/m/d/A likes to cut and paste from the friendless Klayman.

Posted by: koolkat_1960

zouk/drivel lacks so much self-awareness he actually thinks some people like him! that's truly sad.

Posted by: drindl

Zouk must be getting tremors and cold sweats at the impending prospect of a major win for Obama.

Posted by: Ped

the brain trust of liberalism weighs in on advanced concepts of stoogism.

Pretty much the same thing day after day. What pitiful little minds these clowns have.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

You are right about banana republic dictators, drivl. They are identical to Obama and their "help-the-poor" scams are very similar to the Obamacare scam.

Manipulating people with "noble" causes like helping all the poor and providing health care for everyone, the Castro brothers transformed an imperfect but happy and prosperous island into a GULAG of abject misery, where the only hope for most is being able to escape. They also infected their Marxist virus to other countries (Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Nicaragua...), causing tremendous suffering everywhere.

And now Obama is working hard, with the help of his comrades the dumbed down population (previously called “useful idiots”) to spread their virus to the U.S. through scams like Obamacare and cap and trade.

Fortunately, as we can see now, most Americans have waken up and wised up! Most Americans are NOT sheeple! Most Americans are ready to defend their FREEDOM and the freedom of their children and grandchildren from the abomination of Obama's scams, which lead only to socialism/Marxism and the slavery, poverty, corruption and despair that socialism/Marxism entails

Posted by: AntonioSosa | March 15, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure zouk/doof/moonbat/drivl/Ace McNumbnuts's mommy hates him as much as Larry Klayman's mommy hates Larry. No wonder z/d/m/d/A likes to cut and paste from the friendless Klayman.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | March 15, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

' Controversial Florida Democratic Rep. Alan Grayson continues to burnish his, um, reputation -- this time with an email sent from his campaign that tears into former Alaska governor Sarah Palin. Palin, according to Grayson, started it -- political life really is like high school -- by attacking him during a speech in Orlando last Friday night.

Grayson, never one to walk away from a fight, unleashed a series of attacks against the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee that ventured into the personal. Among our favorites: 1) Grayson referred to Palin as a "former half-term Governor, current-nothing and future-even-less" and an "Alaskan chillbilly" (whatever that is). 2) He derided her "folksy folksiness and her homespun homespunnery." 3) He noted that "atypically, Palin was wearing clothes that she had paid for herself." But wait, there's more! In his closing paragraph, Grayson wrote: "Scientists are studying Sarah Palin's travel between Alaska and Florida carefully. They hope to learn more about the flight patterns of that elusive migratory species, the wild Alaskan dingbat." WOW. !

I love this guy. He returns Palin's idiotic jokes about dems only goes her one better by making his remarks a few levels above 'Hee Haw."

"folksy folksiness and her homespun homespunnery."

Posted by: drindl | March 15, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

House leaders are preparing to ram through ObamaCare this week without a vote. Not only is the legislation unconstitutional, but the process being used to pass it is unconstitutional. The House is preparing a rule that would consider the Senate-passed version of ObamaCare passed in the House even though members would never directly vote on it. That would violate Article 1, Section 7 of the U.S. Constitution.


the Capone Administration makes its move. who said corruption is not on topic? this is what all banana dictators do.

will the "constitutional scholar" sign it after swearing to uphold the constitution? the US constitution I mean.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

zouk/drivel lacks so much self-awareness he actually thinks some people like him! that's truly sad.

Posted by: drindl | March 15, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

The chram of Dear Reader seems to have waned:

President Barack Obama, joined by Ohio governor Ted Strickland, came to Ohio today to continue his permanent campaign on health-care legislation. His campaign events during the 2008 presidential race attracted crowds of thousands of Ohioans; this time, President Obama managed a crowd of about 200 people. With his negative approval numbers in Ohio (44 percent approve, 52 percent disapprove), it isn’t much of surprise that few showed up to hear him once again talk about health care. On health care, Ohioans disapprove of the job President Obama is doing (34 percent approve, 58 percent disapprove).

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Chris

your writing is becoming too safe. there is no oomph in it. Just come out and say what you really feel like. Even when you analyze you are trying to bring up statistics on both sides. Not what I read you for.

Posted by: rocky | March 15, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Some Randroid posted
 
“believes that ramming through the healthcare bill by Democrats will have a lasting negative effect on the election results against Democrats. It would make the Republican Party the dominant party for many years to come.”
 
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Nothing like objective language.  “Ramming through.”  Yeah, the dictatorial tyranny of a simple majority vote.  “Ramming through” meaning not conceding to the party that lost big in the last two elections because ummm, they can’t govern.
 
Your logic is the stuff of mirth.  Voters are going to turn out Democrats because at heart they care more about insurance companies and arcane congressional procedural minutiae than they care about their own lives.  Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
 
Go spank it to the Reardon radio speech some more, ‘droid.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 15, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

for once in your life try and be honest zouk and tell us that your rants are nothing more than verbatim quotes from Larry Klayman.
And by the way how did your grandeoise and ad nausea predictions of POTUS McCain work out for you?

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I hope this isn't like the Sept. '09 must pass or fail..

Posted by: newbeeboy | March 15, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I am actually quite friendly with many libs.

It is only the truly incorrigably sinister morons that I don't care for:
Ped, dribbl, DDAWD, Loud and Dumb, Baghdad BJ (aka the Stooges)

you know the ones with not a single intelligent idea to ever contribute, nastiness aside.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

your guys are worse than our guys".

Posted by: 12BarBlues |


OK, but it's not my list. All I can say is according to JW, 90% of corrupt pols are Dems.

and it is an election year, and Madame Peloony promised to drain the swamp.

are you saying accusations of hypocrisy are only permitted by liberals. not that I don't understand why?

I think the notion of corruption is quite apropos this week.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of trading, Intrade has the chances of HCR passage at 74%.

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=709242&z=1267779857294#

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

12BB is like Gandhi of this blog. No matter what kind of dumb sh*t 37th and zook spout off, he won't throw a verbal punch of his own. Let your hatred grow, young Annakin...join the dark side. I am your father!

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

12bar, I am calling into question the ability of Libs to choose people of high quality, candor and experience. there is clearly a track record of severe inability to choose honest and effective liberals.

without admitting that the choice of barry was an error, you will be subject to repetative failures, like barry.

Kerry was a flop before he started. AL gore was certainly not presidential material. bill clinton was clearly integrity challenged. Jimmy carter was utterly inept.

the overall point is that we have come to the conclusion that barry is no different - a poor choice. A one termer and out.

But we will all get a really hearty belly laugh again as Dear Reader demonstrates his major league pitching prowess. Maybe they could build him a Mom's mound halfway to the plate.

PS. Ped, no one here cares a whit what you think.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

losing now best for Republicans later.

For some more incisive commentators it would be a shame if Republicans can block the passage of the Healthcare bill, but not for the reasons you would think.

This theory that may have a lot of validity and it has been mainly promoted by the site http://www.robbingamerica.com

believes that ramming through the healthcare bill by Democrats will have a lasting negative effect on the election results against Democrats. It would make the Republican Party the dominant party for many years to come.

Posted by: JohnGalt9 | March 15, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote "@12Bar, I’d be personally appreciative if you didn’t respond to his posts. The casino talk Saturday night was a one-off and probably not to be repeated, now it’s back to the hatred and mockery 24/7. Please don’t echo it in your own posts because I would hate to have to PgUp past yours as well."
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Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

Don't be so sure drivl and I won't engage in more trading talk. There's nothing like trading to make unlikely friends.

Don't, don't, don't PgUp me boss.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Come on drivl, give it up. Surely none of us want to start the Battle of the Lists. Dislike liberal ideas, if you must, but let's not start going down the totally boring and pointless exercise of "your guys are worse than our guys".

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

http://www.judicialwatch.org/news/2009/dec/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2009


Senator Christopher Dodd (D-CT):
Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA):
Secretary of Treasury Timothy Geithner
Attorney General Eric Holder:
Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-IL)/ Senator Roland Burris (D-IL):
Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) and the rest of the PMA Seven
Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY):

Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA):

President Barack Obama: .

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Good afternoon.
 
My my so much to scroll past this morning.  Zouk must be getting tremors and cold sweats at the impending prospect of a major win for Obama.  Dozens and dozens of posts.  PgUp, PgUp, PgUp.  Life is already too short and exposure to sickness of this degree is bad for the soul.
 
@12Bar, I’d be personally appreciative if you didn’t respond to his posts.  The casino talk Saturday night was a one-off and probably not to be repeated, now it’s back to the hatred and mockery 24/7.  Please don’t echo it in your own posts because I would hate to have to PgUp past yours as well.
 
@shrink2, agreed on Douthat.  I see an NYT version of the post’s Richard Cohen, someone trying to carve out his own niche by crafting positions “between the parties,” as though this connotes sagacity.  After all is said and done he’s not as bad as William Kristol but nowhere near good enough to read.  The NYT’s conservative treasure is David Brooks, the only conservative in the press worth reading but he offends regularly as well, e.g. talking about the deficit as the greatest moral outrage of our time.  A position he would probably recant if pressed but it was idiotic to write it in the first place.  

Posted by: Noacoler | March 15, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

But, contrary to what you expected, not one person lifted a finger to defend John Edwards. Liberals are not the brain dead, illogical, corrupt people you seem to expect.

Posted by: 12BarBlues


but wasn't he the candidate for VP, after a national campaign, lying through his teeth the entire time? this seems to contradict your claim.
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So, now you expect people to know everyone's secrets? You don't know all conservatives secrets, do you? Why isn't it good enough to condemn the guy once his dirty secrets come out?

John Edwards is ONE guy. You condemn ALL liberals (all 64 million who voted for Obama) because of ONE guy. Does that seem sensible?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Alan Grayson is the only Democrat with, um, balls. Whatever those are. C'mon, Chris, Palin routinely spouts stuff like this: 'Pals around with terrorists' and 'How's that hopey changey thing workin' for ya?'. Compare and contrast, Chris. High school, remember? Journalism school? Remember?

Posted by: lance_monotone | March 15, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

its truly sad the small lives some must have here that spend endless hours posting hatefull rants against the POTUS. Truly sad. Curious how people can be raised to have such hateful venom in their veins. I don t care what you think of the POTUS but I didn't read references to POTUS Reagan as Ronnie. Any sense of decency is beyond epectation.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

But, contrary to what you expected, not one person lifted a finger to defend John Edwards. Liberals are not the brain dead, illogical, corrupt people you seem to expect.

Posted by: 12BarBlues


but wasn't he the candidate for VP, after a national campaign, lying through his teeth the entire time? this seems to contradict your claim.

Perhaps you will say, "we didn't know". Like you do now with barry.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Yes, drivl, much of what we know is in the Obamacare scam is absolutely contrary to any US law. It is simply chicago style intimidation, which turns out to be identical to the style of other Marxist thugs.

Obama's style is identical to that of Marxist thugs who are destroying Latin America with "help-the-poor" SCAMS like Obamacare. In Chavez's hands, Venezuelans have seen corruption, unemployment and poverty multiply. Their situation is becoming almost as horrendous as the situation of Cubans in the hands of the Castro brothers.

And now we have Obama and his comrades trying to radically transform the U.S. into another Cuba.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | March 15, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

If chairman Zero told the truth, none of his efforts would succeed.

Even with all the lies, it is wearing very thin after only a year.

But there is one happy liberal - Jimmy Carter is not the worst President ever any more.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

John Edwards is a great candidate - 2004

I did not have ### with that woman, Monica Lewinsky - 1996

the Iraq war is already lost - 2007

the surge is a failure - 2008

Takeover of Health care is a great idea - 2010

why should it be any different than banks, cars, education, energy, retirement, postal service, trains and every other failure in America?

Liberal wisdom over the years

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

drivl, you are right about the horrendous cost of the Obamacare scam. But I guess we can't expect the dumbed down population who support the Obamacare scam to worry about costs! They prefer to believe on fairy tales.

Thinking Americans, however, know that Obamacare will further INCREASE our deficit, our taxes, and our health care costs.

Obama and his comrades are using deception, gimmicks, creative accounting, smoke and mirrors to hide the trillions of dollars their scam will cost us.

"Legislative Reality vs, Political Reality," by Peter Suderman, identifies specific deceptive strategies. One of the strategies entails shifting expensive parts of a bill to completely DIFFERENT pieces of legislation. So the costs found by the CBO will be only PART of the costs.

In the House, Democrats shifted an expensive, unpaid-for "fix" to doctor's Medicare reimbursement rates over to a separate bill. And in the Senate, they backloaded the spending so that its full effects would not be felt in the 10-year window that CBO scores. In the latest Senate bill, 99 percent of the spending would occur in the last six years of the budget window.

http://reason.com/archives/2009/12/10/legislative-reality-vs-politic

Posted by: AntonioSosa | March 15, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

@drivl,

We understand that you don't like the President or the healthcare bill.

But, contrary to what you expected, not one person lifted a finger to defend John Edwards. Liberals are not the brain dead, illogical, corrupt people you seem to expect.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link, leichtman. I Googled a phrase from that email and found 119,000 results. It's amazing how many people will repost something that's obviously false. (The government will FORCE you into a public option!!!)

Posted by: Blarg | March 15, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

In other words, if Obama sign this into law, no future Senate or House will be able to change a single word of Section 3403, regardless whether future Americans or their representatives in Congress wish otherwise!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
this is absolutely contrary to any US law. any future congress can change anything they want. this is simply chicago style intimidation - the new law of the land.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

not written yet yet you rant about its length? Interesting that the CBO has the bill and examining it and yet those pesky Congressmen didn't bother to email it to drivl yet.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

You are right, drivl. I we can trust anything about Obama, we can certainly that he will LIE. He seems incapable of uttering a truthful statement. His whole strategy is based on lies, manipulation, intimidation, coercion, bribery, and fraud.

Obama and his comrades denied the death panels, but the ruling death panel had already been funded in the stimulus bill!

"It can be found in SECTION 9201 of the Stimulus bill. It sets up a 15 member Comparative Effectiveness Board, modeled after the UK's "NICE" board. Obama has appointed the members of this board and one of the members is DR. EZEKIEL IMMANUEL. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2314606/posts

In socialist doublespeak, Obama and his comrades will call Obama’s death panels "life panels,” but lies do not change Obama's pro-abortion and pro-infanticide (late-term abortion) stand, nor the aberrant stands of Obama's Health Care Czar Ezekiel Emanuel and Science Czar John Holdren.

Another death panel will be the “Independent Medicare Advisory Board” (IMAB ). Subsection 3403 concerns the regulatory power of the IMAB to "reduce the per capita rate of growth in Medicare spending." The IMAB will be the ultimate arbiter of the cost, quality and quantity of health care to be made available to the American people, in other words, another death panel.

What is worse, Section 3403 reads in part: "It shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection."

In other words, if Obama sign this into law, no future Senate or House will be able to change a single word of Section 3403, regardless whether future Americans or their representatives in Congress wish otherwise!

The IMAB staff will not be elected by us but appointed by the dictator! And we will not be able to do anything to defend ourselves from the ACORN types that will staff the IMAB and other Death Boards!

We know Obamacare is a criminal scam, an abomination, and we don’t even know all the poison hidden in the bill. Obama wants the scam approved before people realize all the evil it contains.


Posted by: AntonioSosa | March 15, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I suppose that finance whiz can let us all in on the text of the giant bill about to be voted on in the Lib congress?

no? why not?

It's not even written yet? and there is a giant vote this week on something so broad and intrusive?


I guess after we vote on it we can then take a look at what is in it. Liberal genius at work.


Well at least you can tell me how much it will cost?

No? why not? surely something as big as 1/6 of the economy would be scored and analyzed at least a few months before the vote? Not in liberal land.

no need to read it or cost it. this bill was passed on christmas eve as a placeholder for committee negotiation, the usual process. but when MA flipped, the Libs lost all reason. now instead of negotiation and fixing, they are going to FIX us allright.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Drivl's post is very like the ACORN video kid's work. Pick and choose sentences or even just a cluster of a few words, remove them from context, drop them into a list with lots of exclamations and asides and declare loudly "this proves my point!" Repeat often and it will become almost just like the truth only a whole lot easier to spread around.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 15, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

curious when we will hear GOP leadership stand up and defend the moral character of Senators Vitter and Ensign and Governor Mark Sanford. Their silence is deafening.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The John Edwards phenom is not about the man himself. It is about how gullible libs are and how they will defend to the death one of their own corrupt, lying inept pols no matter the evidence.

they have exhibited the same reflexes on al gore, bill clinton, john Kerry, Nancy Pelosi (named most corrupt pol for three years running by Judicial watch), global warming, health care, Iraq war, budget (Paygo), ACORN, etc.

and now barry.

when a brave Lib stands up (Lieberman) he is savaged by the loons Olby, MAdcow and then the dribbl's of the world. the unwashed, unhinged.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

the Kaiser Foundation calls this July 2009 email referenced by zouk, aka drivl, as being full of lies yet pushed by conservatives regardless of its truth.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/30/e-mail-analysis-health-bill-needs-check-/

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD, next you a mollusk seems astute.

now spend the rest of the day trying to hide your shortcomings. It will be some work. better get started.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Did barry lie when he said abortion is not in the bill?

Or is Stupak just being difficult?

does Barry owe Joe an apology?

did barry lie when he denied there are death panels?

Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOV'T COMMITTEE deciding what treatments &benefits you get.

Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!

Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice!

did Barry lie when he said illegals would not be covered?

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.

Did barry lie when he said you get to keep your own plan?

Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)

Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Gov't has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Gov't plan)

Not one dime?

Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!) (a 'fee' instead)

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Nice try, drivl. Take my quote, add more names, and then ask me to defend it. Really, I'm not THAT dumb.

But, it's kind of amusing.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if this is like a Mt. Everest for zook. Obviously he can go to any conservative website and people will think he's god. But if he can convince people with actual education that he's a genius, that would be the ultimate feat.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you will get ONE liberal on this blog who will lift a finger to defend
(John Edwards, Bill clinton, Al gore, Barry Obama, charlie Rangle, Nancy Pelosi, Massa,....this seems to be an infinite set). We all think he is a lying charting pol.


Was barry lying when he promised to close gitmo in exactly a year? when he said he would televise HCR? when he said he would be transparent and post bills ahead of time? when he said no lobbyists need apply? when he said not one dime?
Is this serial lying or something else?

Perhaps it is just utter ignorance of his job.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

We all think he is a lying charting pol.
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Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too many stock charts.

We all think John Edwards is a lying cheating pol.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I am so dissappointed that John Edwards was not elected to VP.

He is the perfect liberal lying cheating pol.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 1:32 PM
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I don't think you will get ONE liberal on this blog who will lift a finger to defend John Edwards. We all think he is a lying charting pol.

Anyone who disagrees, post now.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

And as is typical, it took the National Enquirer to expose the fraud and lies. The dinosaur media wouldn't touch a Lib.

Kind of like now.

It took an actual blue dress for clinton to stop lying. a paternity test for Edwards. Massive data fraud for Al gore to go into hiding. what will it take for Barry to finally come clean?

Make that clean and articulate.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I am so dissappointed that John Edwards was not elected to VP.

He is the perfect liberal lying cheating pol.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1,

zouk's nasty persoanl attacks are the easiest way to identify him behind his many pen names. I particularly enjoy it when one identity responds to support another identity.

Hahahahahahahahaha >gasp< hahahahahahahahaha

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 15, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

If these bills don't pass, the Party of No is on the record as more interested in their small-government agenda than they are in the welfare of their country.


Posted by: margaretmeyers
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Welfare is what you are all about. Try to ween yourself off government dependence...
Statist tool

Posted by: leapin | March 15, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

shouldn't you idiots be rummaging through your letters to try to find some note from an old lady somewhere decrying the suffering at the hands of evil capitalism and therfore creating some policy just for her.

don't worry. we productive taxpaying citizens (read, not liberal cabinet members) have plenty of money now because we are firing all our workers to respond to barryism.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

" I don't think anyone could have predicted how voracious the Republicans would be in obstructionist tactics"

and that perecption, you rightly noted, is politically naivity.

Posted by: leichtman1
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I don't think anyone(inside the beltway) could have predicted how voracious the Dmes would be in thug tactics.

Posted by: leapin | March 15, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

ddawd it sounds exactly like the self serving comments we heard from zouk during the 2008 election with his predictions up until the day of the election of a McCain victory. Revisionism seems to be in his/their blood. Polling did show Kerry w/i the margin of error the weekend before the election but a video came out that sunday that destroyed any chance of his victory, everyone in the campaign office sensed that. I saw it daily working in the Colorado state headqtrs but few working high up in the Kerry campaign realistically expected him to pull it out.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD in a desperate attempt to conceal his utter stupidity has as usual made certain assumptions about others without any data to go on, a perfect liberal "scientist".

chant with me Warming is cooling, it's settled, no data needed, etc.

Perhaps I should have made it clear that I was shorting Kerry and that the line never actually might have made it into 50/50 territory. this is not necessary on Intrade. Most gamblers simply remember the W or L not the spread. I confess I do not remember the time scale or the precise nature of the bet, only winning.

DDAWD, the loser that he is, seized on some aspect and was determined to demonstrate that I had invented the entire scenario, just to perplex him. He spent most of the day on this.

DDAWD is scratching at breadcumbs as usual. He seems to have a particular chip on his shoulder about others being smarter than he. sounds to me like that has been happening all his life. Not that it seems much of a measure.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"this was the topic with Candy Crowley: John Boehner whining that he and the R party were only provided "a few bread crumbs as he called them" on HC. Apparently the minority party has the preverted idea that as the minority party they are entiled to actually write the HC legislature. Apparently what is it that Bohener does not understand about being in the minority in Congress?

Posted by: leichtman1"

Well, it's not true. There's no single payer, there's no public option. It's a pretty moderate bill. Second, if Republicans were willing to vote on anything, they would get more of what they wanted in the bill. With people like Lieberman, yeah, he was irritating, but he at least ended up voting for the bill. You don't get to say, "put in all these things I want and I'm still going to vote against it"

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

and somehow you think any of us are interested in your constant rants and insults about barry.

this was the topic with Candy Crowley: John Boehner whining that he and the R party were only provided "a few bread crumbs as he called them" on HC. Apparently the minority party has the preverted idea that as the minority party they are entiled to actually write the HC legislature. Apparently what is it that Bohener does not understand about being in the minority in Congress?

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"i see that once again drivl comes here to supposedly discuss topics of the day by making personal attacks. Apparently anyone that dares to question his post regardless of his rant is met with nasty personal attacks. Classy touch.

Posted by: leichtman1"

If you REALLY want to see some unhinged drivl, go to Friday's post on the chat. 12BB and 37th were talking about intrade and so forth. Drivl decides that he wants to be in the conversation, so he makes some point. Then, he has to go and prove that he is smarter than the world, so he says that intrade was predicting that Kerry would win in 2004 days before the election, so he bought a whole bunch of Bush shares and made a ton of money. This struck me as strange since all the polls were predicting Bush to win. I thought it was pretty unlikely that intrade went against the polls AND got it wrong and accused him of lying. You should have seen drivl's response. For the ages.

But yeah, I found a paper from someone who had compiled the intrade datapoints from that election. At no point from the summer of 2008 to the day up to the election was intrade picking Kerry.

It's just great how far this guy goes to try and make himself appear smart.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

leichtman:

when you come up with something intelligent and interesting, you will be treated accordingly.

when you post partisan ignorance in the form of one liner idiocy, you get what you deserve.
Same as DDAWD and Loud and Dumb. they are not called stooges because of the long history of substance on the blog.

I suppose the absence of dribbl and Ped have created some sort of loon vaccuum which must be filled.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

drivl wrote "12bar, I am only contending the use of the term "scholar"..."
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I'm relieved. You can certainly dismiss the idea that the President's education makes him a scholar, as that is somewhat qualitative.

I don't agree with bashing DDAWD, but that's up to you. We all have our favorite bashees.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

" I don't think anyone could have predicted how voracious the Republicans would be in obstructionist tactics"

and that perecption, you rightly noted, is politically naivity.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

@MM,

Your analysis is excellent. For me personally, though, I have a preference for action in this order:

1. Try to solve problems and succeed.
2. To to solve problems and fail.
3. Don't try.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Chris, I believe that the reason the health care bill is struggling is because of the point made by Tom Brokaw in his interview of Axelrod on Sunday -- nobody really understands what's in the bill(s) and how it will help them. Nonetheless, people see health care premiums skyrocketing and know something needs to be done to curtail costs, but they aren't sure how the legislation that's out there will help and how reconciliation works.

However, because of the amount of effort and time put into passing a health care bill, it is better for the Dems to get something passed than to appear on election day empty handed.

Posted by: jrosco3 | March 15, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

mmyers, I agree that a large part of the electoral difficulties the Democrats are facing is the perception of them not producing legislation. I don't think anyone could have predicted how voracious the Republicans would be in obstructionist tactics. I personally thought that 60 seat threshold was overrated since you could presumably get some Republican votes for moderate bills. (and yes, this health care bill is a very moderate one) Getting things done will certainly help the Dems. This will be a big one. A jobs bill too. Banking regulations is a must. Republicans will really be sticking their necks out to block that.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

i see that once again drivl comes here to supposedly discuss topics of the day by making personal attacks. Apparently anyone that dares to question his post regardless of his rant is met with nasty personal attacks. Classy touch.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

12bar, I am only contending the use of the term "scholar" by the IQ challenged fourth stooge DDAWD, who wouldn't know a feature of intelligence if it bit him.

this exaggeration of barry's resume is what got us into this mess in the first place. he should have done a few years of actual work before trying out for the top spot and the liberals and press overlooked his obvious shortcomings, now to all our peril.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Ddawd and 12BB, I see something interesting happening this spring. I think the Democrats are going to shoot several pieces of important legislation right to votes. We have HCR up now, then some jobs bills, Dodd's banking and finance reform bill and maybe even tax code reform. The Democrats will send them to votes wanting them all to pass, of course, but also anticipating that if they don't pass Democrats can, in the autumn, turn to voters and ask them who is looking out for you? Who blocked extending unemployemnt and COBRA? Who said we can't expect more from our expensive health care system? Who thinks it's better to let insurers run health care? Which party felt the government didn't need to intervene in the financial collapse two years ago? Who thinks banking and business are just fine without oversight? Which party was willing to let local governments go broke and cut police, services and schools?

The great thing is if these reform policies pass, the country will profit. The GOP has almost no legislation of their own to put forward, no guidance or governance to propose (Wyden Gregg is a shared project, sponsored by one of those RINOs the GOP is driving from their party). If these bills don't pass, the Party of No is on the record as more interested in their small-government agenda than they are in the welfare of their country.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 15, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Don't know about Paul Ryan contract, but Intrade does have a contract on the probability of Sarah Palin announcing a run for President (58% right now).

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/index.jsp?clsID=3&grpID=9620#

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

its socialism its going to destroy the economy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
why aren't you whining that it was not all paid for in the first year, finance whiz?

sorry make that "liberal financial scholar" turned bonehead lawyer, aka useless.

In fact, it is broke. It is replete with fraud. and now barry is going to raid it to create another losing government hand out.

Liberal solution - when you are surrounded by failure, keep up the good work.

Next up, education. then immigration. mess them all up with big government intrusion.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

drivl can pretend to buy Paul Ryan contracts on intrade as well.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

drivl wrote "Yet barry has not one. not one. not even a school transcript. I find that peculiar."
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What are the possibilities? He's a complete fiction created by multiple universities? He's actually a high school dropout? Or...?

This is the same kind of reasoning for the Roswell conspiracy theory. Someone finds something peculiar in the sky, the next thing you know a bunch of people believe the Air Force is covering up alien abductions.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

As a result of his weak and distracted foreign policy, 51 percent of Americans think the standing of the United States has dropped during Mr. Obama’s tenure. Only 41 percent think otherwise. That was reported this week by the liberal group Democracy Corps–Third Way, which also found that only 33 percent of Americans believe the Democrats are better on national security.

Unfortunately for Mr. Obama, the American people ultimately judge presidents on actions, not words. Unfortunately for America, the same is true of our adversaries.


One longs for the days of Democrats like Franklin Roosevelt, who took less than a month to appoint a military commission to try Nazi spies who infiltrated the U.S. in June 1942. By August, all but two had been executed and the matter was closed.

The biggest affronts of all have been reserved for America’s longstanding allies. Last September, Mr. Obama betrayed two of America’s greatest new partners since the Cold War, Poland and the Czech Republic, in order to “reset” relations with Russia. President Obama’s top political aides dragged Afghan president Hamid Karzai’s name through the mud on national television as the administration dithered on whether and how much to commit to turning the tide in Afghanistan. Colombia, Honduras, Korea, and Iraq also have been shortchanged by Mr. Obama and Democrats on Capitol Hill. But the most insults have been meted out to Great Britain, traditionally our closest ally, beginning with a string of amateurish protocol errors and culminating in a gratuitous pander to Argentina at the expense of British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.

And that is how, in 14 short months, the American people’s confidence in President Obama and his party’s ability to keep us safe has plummeted. This is unfortunate, given that it takes presidents a long time to regain — at home and abroad — power they’ve lost.

Friend and foe have taken his measure. And his foes are happier than his friends.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

pathetic that you don t even use " " for attribution.
Incidentally these are the exact same types of whining comments we heard from Rs in the 1960s when Medicare was being passed. Oh its socialism its going to destroy the economy. You would think that in 50 years that Rs could think up a new line to whine about.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

this is the guy to watch beat Obimbo next time around:

This year I re-introduced my own proposals to tackle our entitlement crisis head-on. My plan, "A Roadmap for America's Future," fulfills the mission of health and retirement security, lifts our crushing burden of debt, and spurs economic growth and job creation. In stark contrast to the vision being pushed by the majority in Congress, my plan unapologetically seeks to apply our nation's timeless principles -- our Founders' commitment to individual liberty, limited government and free enterprise -- to today's challenges. It does so in a way that honors our historic commitment to strengthening the social safety net for those who need it most.

If this debate had actually been about health care, we could have worked together to get a grip on costs, make quality care more accessible, address exclusions for preexisting conditions and realign the incentives of insurance companies with those of patients and doctors. Yet this process -- including its embarrassing conclusion -- demonstrates that the debate has never been about health-care policy but, instead, paternalistic ideology.

Should the Democrats' health-care train wreck make it to the president's desk, it will be a pyrrhic victory, and its devastating consequences will take their toll on our health-care system, our budget and our economy.

Paul Ryan (Wis.) is the ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

precisely who is this Barry you derisively refer to?
He is Mr. President to you sir. Its not Ronnie, George, Bill or Barry to you sir, its Mr. President.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Liberals take no responsibility for the right wing government ruling Israel today.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Graduating from school does not make you much of a scholar. this term is typically associated with someone who leaves a paper trail of accomplishment. Research, writings, awards, recognition, articles, etc.

Yet barry has not one. not one. not even a school transcript. I find that peculiar.

I taught classes at the community college too. I also hold three degrees. that does not make me a mathematical scholar.

but I have written articles and built devices. that does.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"this is the foreign policy of liberals. Piss off our allies"

disagreeing with Netenyahu is just fine with me, and recognized by Hillary who is highly regarded in the Jewish communinity. Liberals take no responsibility for the wing wing government ruling Israel today.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

drivl wrote "first scholar ever without a written paper, without any research, without any recognition from friends or colleagues, without any transcripts, without any test scores."
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Are you implying that the President did not go to Harvard Law School, did not do the work, did not graduate magna cum laude from Harvard, was not president of the Law Review, did not graduate from Columbia University, did not lecture at University of Chicago Law School, did not pass the bar exam, is not a lawyer? What?

Is this Harvard/Columbia/UnivofChicago-Gate? A vast multi-university coverup?

A new conspiracy theory?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Wordle is awesome. I've killed so much time playing with that.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Israel's ambassador to the US has said that relations between the two countries face their worst crisis for 35 years, Israeli media have reported. Last week Israeli officials announced the building of 1,600 new homes in occupied East Jerusalem while US Vice-President Joe Biden was visiting. The move was seen as an insult to the US and Palestinian leaders say indirect talks with Israel are now "doubtful".

this is the foreign policy of liberals. Piss off our allies, cuddle up to our enemies, make everything worse for everyone.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

In Missouri this weekend, nearly 5,000 Tea Party Patriots showed up at two separate events to protest against Big Socialist Government. Around 2,000 showed up for an Anti-ObamaCare Rally in Minnesota, led by Representative Michele Bachman... the foster mother who is hated by the left with the white-hot heat of a thousand suns.

Meanwhile, about the media-hyped "Coffee Party" movement, created by pro-Obama activists to counter the Tea Party movement... attracted about two dozen people to a restaurant in Saint Louis. I imagine they sipped coffee, whined about their unwillingness to take personal responsibility for their lives, and waxed excitedly about Twilight and Ugly Betty.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

his background as a Constitutional scholar


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

first scholar ever without a written paper, without any research, without any recognition from friends or colleagues, without any transcripts, without any test scores.

In short, a scholar without one product of scholarship. aka - a liberal scholar.

this guy can't pronounce corps, doesn't know how many states there are and thinks he knows more about the law than the SCOTUS. He is a fraud. you have to be a swamp addled moonbat not to see it.

Remember how he was going to "restore" our image in the world?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

For Nat Silver fans:

Nat Silver on 538 did something interesting with responses to why we do/do not need healthcare reform.

"The message that the pro-reform voters have taken away comes through loudly and clearly: 'PEOPLE ... NEED ... INSURANCE', whereas concerns among the anti's boil down to 'GOVERNMENT' and 'COST'."

A picture is worth a thousand words, you need to SEE his pictures. Go to the link and scroll down to 3rd article.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

So, she is an origionalist like her husband. Someone should ask her does she think women should have the right to vote? Jim Crow? Corporate money funding elections. Oh I answered that one.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-thomas14-2010mar14,0,3190750,full.story

"The wife of Clarence Thomas says she is starting a Web-based lobbying group with ties to the Tea Party movement."

This is truly offensive and would be so if a SCJ's wife said she was going to advocate for either the Democrats or Republicans.

Posted by: MerrillFrank | March 15, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"I share your frustration. I hope the President will not sink back into that passive stance and will continue to take the lead.

Posted by: 12BarBlues"

I think it's part of his background as a Constitutional scholar. Let the legislators legislate and let the executives execute. But in reality, the separation between those two branches has really blurred to indistinction. The reconciliation bill, for example, was pretty much written by Obama. Also, the legislative branch has seemed to have completely ceded its war powers.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Zouk's advice to Liberals:

Keep saying that you are concerned about the deficit and brag about your efforts to save millions while continuing to spend trillions. When anyone takes a stand for “pay-as-you-go,” chastise them for being heartless. You don’t get elected for cutting spending; you get elected for giving goodies to those who elected you.

Even though the richest 5% already pay 60% of the income taxes, keep saying they don’t pay their “fair share.” By fueling voter envy, you’ll help Americans justify making the rich pay for everything they can’t afford themselves. By keeping them greedy and dependent, you’ll have their vote.

Bribery is illegal for everyone else, but remind voters that special deals and costly earmarks are the only way to get things done in politics. Don’t let ethics get in the way. Treating certain states and constituencies differently and providing special exceptions is what politics is about. To the winners belong the spoils.

Keep reminding Americans that it’s Republicans who want to control their lives. They want to control a woman’s body, deny gays the right to marry and impose their religious values. This distracts voters from efforts to force them to buy health insurance, pay higher taxes, control their carbon footprint and regulate everything they use.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

the President will not sink back into that passive stance

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Known for voting PRESENT.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

democrats in swing districts must be real nervous. still don't pelosi getting the votes.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704416904575121541779736742.html

Posted by: doof | March 15, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure we could have gotten a public option if Obama threw his weight behind it.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 11:44 AM
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I share your frustration. I hope the President will not sink back into that passive stance and will continue to take the lead.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

again he is not your Congressman so who cares.
Grayson whether you like him personally or not and again he is not your Congressman has made that the R Congressman is aware that every day they delay and block HC reform, they are adding to the families of the 45,000 Americans who die each year b/c they have have no HC. His analysis was spot on and its too bad those on the right want to enable the likes of Bohener, who's faux tan is matched only by his sluured speeches. Talk about an embarrasment he is apparently your spokeperson just like the virtous ones, Vitter and Ensign who are quick to lecture us about family values. For a year we have heard garbage about HC from the likes of Sen. Grassley, Grayson is a breath of fresh air in comparison.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"Intrade trading has the probability of healthcare reform passage at 75% at this moment.


http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=709242&z=1267779857294#

Posted by: 12BarBlues"

Man, if Obama had decided to get involved from the start, this could have been wrapped up months ago and with a better bill too. I'm sure we could have gotten a public option if Obama threw his weight behind it.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I thank and commend Chief Justice Roberts for his brave statements. He represents an equal coordinate branch of our government. I hope that next year, the Chief Justice will join Justices Scalia and Thomas in staying away from the increasingly partisan, increasingly raucous display. Instead of watching the State of the Union Address from a front row seat, the Justices might watch American Idol, instead. Let Mr. Obama’s backers sit in those reserved seats and cheer their own American idol all they want.


the "constitutional scholar/professor/community organizer" didn't even get his facts straight. He should be laughed at by all, instead of just those of us with a mind.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Supreme court justices should sit down and shut up and allow themselves to be used as political punching bags.

Expecially if the executive branch is floundering at everything they try.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Intrade trading has the probability of healthcare reform passage at 75% at this moment.


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Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Shrink,
Chief Justice Roberts has never shown any signs of being anything but an exceptional jurist and a pretty darn good advocate for the Federal judiciary (which is part of his job as the CJ). He has never shown any sign of a desire to run for higher office. However, if he did want to run, the GOP could pick a lot worse.

Posted by: AndyR3 | March 15, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

leichtman1
I don't personally care what you think of my residence status and no, I wasn't advocating for anyone like them. For the record though, just because they're nuts it doesn't excuse that sorry excuse for a human being, Grayson. He's a fool and I'd be embarrassed with a buffoon like him as representation.

Posted by: Lilycat1 | March 15, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Hopes were high in the Middle East when US President Barack Obama took office last year. But instead of progress toward peace, he has shown indecision and hesitancy. With many in the region united against Iran, he is in danger of letting a golden opportunity slip through his fingers.

Posted by: drivl | March 15, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

If Mrs. Thomas wants to re-engage with politics, does that mean she will be interviewed by talk shows?

Does that mean she will be endorsing candidates for office?

Does that mean she will be taking and publicizing issue positions, say on abortion, gay marriage?

Does that mean she will be engaged in raising money for her candidates?

Where is the line where her participation will be illegal or unethical?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Correction: Sarah Palin also looks like a Rhodes Scholar in comparison to AntonioSosa too.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | March 15, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a Rhodes Scholar only in comparison to Trig Palin.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | March 15, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"I think Floridians (and I used to be one) would be well served to elect someone with a bit more self control, dignity and intellect"

you are not a Floridian, used to be means zero.
someone with dignity like say Sen Esign
or Sen Vitter?

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I have to say that everytime Rep. Grayson opens his mouth, he makes himself look more and more like a fool. I'm not a Palin fan, but this guy is just talking to hear himself talk. It's pretty pathetic to watch someone self-destruct just to grab a bit of the limelight. I think Floridians (and I used to be one) would be well served to elect someone with a bit more self control, dignity and intellect.

Posted by: Lilycat1 | March 15, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Grayson, progressives and U.S. enemies are increasing Palin’s popularity every day.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | March 15, 2010 11:00 AM
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She may be more popular with you, but you are factually wrong that she is becoming more popular with all Americans. The polls show her favorability at 40%, and declining ever since she was selected by John McCain. It is not true she is becoming more popular.

You can see all the polls on her favorability at this link:
http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-palin.php

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 15, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Washington has become detached from Americans. They just don't get it. We pay them to represent us, and they don't.

and the Hoyas suck.

Posted by: JBfromFL | March 15, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"Is it reasonable to expect that spouses of political figures remain silent on political issues?"

this is clearly different bsimon. Congress by its very nature is a politcal institution. Our courts are just the opposite. Beyond the confirmation and election process our judges should be apolitical. That is why our founders decided not to elect our SC judges and for them to have lifetime appointments. SC members are lifetime appointments and not out running for re election every 2 years. There is a wall of seperation, an unwritten rule that the SC stay away from partisan politics, otherwise how can the country rely on their rulings m when they make decisions that decide things like in Bush v Gore. Clarence Thomas didn't make this statement but its awfully close. Imagine being a lawyer and going before the bench and being asked before a judge rules, counselor now tell us, is your client a D, R or TeaParty member. I believe most lawyers would agree with my outrage, its unseemly and would be just as unseemly if coming from a spouse of a D.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Palin is becoming more and more popular thanks to Grayson and other progressives and U.S. enemies.

Informed Americans understand that if the left demonizes and vilifies someone, that someone most likely deserves respect and admiration. And the more they learn about Palin, the more respect and admiration they have for her.

Palin is not perfect, no human being is perfect, but she is the antithesis of the thoroughly corrupt, inept, arrogant, anti-American, anti-freedom “elite” of Obama, his comrades and his operatives.

Grayson, progressives and U.S. enemies are increasing Palin’s popularity every day.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | March 15, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

mark here is the link:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2010/03/15/nr.thomas.wife.cnn?hpt=T2

Palin is like a Rhodes scholar, on what planet? She went to 3 different low level colleges she barely graduated from, are you kidding?

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

leichtman writes
"Jeff Toubin was just interviewed on CNN and he said Ms. Thomas's actions are neither illegal or unethical, which they clearly are not. It just smells bad and some group like the ABA needs to publicly condmen this action."


It can be unseemly without being illegal or unethical. Certainly many spouses of members of the Legislative branch are well into unseemly territory & likely broaching the unethical. Is it reasonable to expect that spouses of political figures remain silent on political issues? If Mrs Thomas is using her husband's position to further a political agenda, you have have a valid charge. But her being involved in a political organization or movement is not, in and of itself, cause for criticism.

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 15, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

moreandbetterpolls, you caught me in an error. I meant "Alan Grayson," not Paulson.

However, as corrected, my comment stands. Palin is a Rhodes scholar compared to Massa and Grayson.

Posted by: WashingtonDame | March 15, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Leichtman, do you have a link to the Thomas story? I would like to read it. RBG's husband is a great tax lawyer. That is more seemly. We should post what we can find on SCJ spouses. Might prove interesting.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 15, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Jeff Toubin was just interviewed on CNN and he said Ms. Thomas's actions are neither illegal or unethical, which they clearly are not. It just smells bad and some group like the ABA needs to publicly condmen this action. Can you imagine if Ms. Ginsburg's husband for instance was out advocating for Ds on the daily kos what we would be hearing from Faux news today. Its bad enough to inject sharp partisan politics/moral values into our children's textbooks, hopefully this is not the newest chapter of politicizing our cherished SC.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

AntonioSosa ,
I think you look at the wrong place.
The stench comes from your backyard.

Posted by: mixedbreed | March 15, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

WashingtonDame -

Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. Barack Obama was President of the Harvard Law Review. Mitt Romney graduated in 1975 cum laude from Harvard Law School, representing a standing in the top third of that class, and was named a Baker Scholar for graduating in the top five percent of his Harvard MBA class[at the same time]. Henry Paulson was Phi Beta Kappa at Dartmouth.

What did Henry Paulson do to make Sarah Palin look like Bill Clinton? Henry Paulson is and was a Republican.

What could anyone do to make Sarah Palin look like Mitt Romney, an academically and commercially successful politician?

Is there a poll that indicates that some group of people think of Sarah Palin as an academic success?

Is there a poll that indicates that a group of people think she can: sing and dance?
understand geography? Run a business? Read all the newspapers? Understand the Federal Reserve system?

Posted by: MoreAndBetterPolls | March 15, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

We are watching the final countdown of the implosion of the Democratic party as the Obamacare stench becomes more and more disgusting.

The stench of the lies, manipulation, intimidation, coercion, bribery, corruption, and backroom deals to force us to swallow the Obamacare SCAM -- which would destroy our health care, our economy, our freedoms and our country -- has forever tainted the Democratic Party and demonstrate the degree of corruption, bribery and fraud we can expect from Obama and his comrades as they continue to enslave us through their Marxist schemes.

More and more Americans understand there's no longer a Democratic Party. The Democratic Party has been replaced by the Progressive (Marxist) party, controlled by U.S. enemies like George Soros and bent on destroying America using the tactics of their Marxist mentor Saul Alinsky.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | March 15, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"As we wrote just days ago, Grayson seems to revel in his penchant for conservative-baiting despite the fact that his Orlando-area district is swing territory; President Obama won it with 52 percent in 2008."

On the one hand, his word choices for criticizing the former half-term governor are a bit childish, but on the other, it may be helpful to present the upcoming election as him vs. the irrational right & thus boost Dem/independent turnout.


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Posted by: bsimon1 | March 15, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

leichtman, you are right on, as usual. The conservative members of the Supreme Court are in reality its radicals. What is next, using the court as a platform for a run at elected office? I wouldn't put it past Roberts. Alito, Scalia and Thomas don't have the charisma, but Roberts is different, he likes bright lights shining on him, no doubt about that.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 15, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

"I wore my "Fix" tee to the gym this morning but no one noticed."

Shocking! Maybe you need to mingle with the SxSW crowd - surely one of the hipsters will recognize the shirt!

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 15, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"The wife of Clarence Thomas says she is starting a Web-based lobbying group with ties to the Tea Party movement."

This is truly offensive and would be so if a SCJ's wife said she was going to advocate for either the Democrats or Republicans.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 15, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I think you folks need to understand the mechanics of Washingtonspeak. When a politician in Washington tells you that they don't have the votes today but they will have when the bill comes up, they are most often right. It is commonly know in Congressioal circles that if you are within 10 votes on a major piece of legislation, it is likely going to pass.

There is a reason for this coyness among those who insist they have not made up their minds. There is always the chance of a last minute desperate offer of some juicy little morsel for their district. Most generally, that 10 or so know how they are going to vote and it is usually in the affirmative.

And then there are those who fear the legislation because of the particular makeup of their districts and try to stave off a vote at all if at all possible. Nine times out of ten, when forced into such a vote--particularly if it is vital to their party leaders and to their party and to their President, they will end up voting for it.

Pelosi knows this. She knows that if the bill were to come up for a vote at this minute, it probably would pass. But, she is wisely playing out the string to create drama. Which brings me to my fional point. On any big, high profile piece of legislation, drama focuses national attention on the legislation and takes it out of the local district where concerns are more parochial. Almost universally on such occasions, the legislation passes.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 15, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Washingtondame, if anyone it is the pandering, sycophantic mainstream media and the tea bag sucking right wing hate machine that tries to paint Palin as a Rhodes Scholar. Anyway, I though you slimy, bilesoaked right wing types hated intellectuals or anyone else who demonstrates the diminishing American quality of critical, independent thought.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 15, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of the filibuster, can you guys think of any historical instances where it was used to block a bill and today we're glad today that it was blocked?

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

One does not have to be psychic to pick up on How Chris feels about Allan Grayson's amusing riff on Sarah "Chillbilly" Palin. Cillizza's depiction of Grayson went beyond merely snarky and revealed just how super sensitive he is when it comes to any criticism of Palin.

Look. Grayson has panache. He is one of the few democrats that has some real color. Cillizza has had it in for democrats and Obama ever since they took power in 2008, overhyping and repeating in ad nauseam every single Palin-inspired slander against Obama. Now that we have someone who knows how to sling the same feces back at the right, predictably it is these Stockholm Sweden afflicted mainstream media types that Cillizza perfectly represents, who rush into the rescue.

Get over it Chris. There are a vast number of us out here who would like to see an army of Alan Graysons in the democratic party. He has the unique ability to smoke out all of you fake liberals who are really sucking on the Tea Bags yourselves.

Posted by: jaxas70 | March 15, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I'm just wondering why the hell Clyburn has said he doesn't have the votes. Whether it's true or not, it seems like an odd thing for a whip to be saying in public. Do you guys think it's negotiation via the media?

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

bsimon, I wore my "Fix" tee to the gym this morning but no one noticed. :-(

WashingtonDame: Henry Paulson? Who? What is the story?

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 15, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

mark_in_austin writes
"If they should have learned anything from Karl Rove it is that engaging their base while not losing the center is the game. On HC, a loss disengages the base, don't you think?"

Indeed. Chalk it up to one of the great ironies of US politics. The party that claims to value independence and self-reliance marches in lockstep, demonizing and ostracizing any who would buck party leadership and vote to - horror of horrors - represent their constituents' best interests. And on the other side, the party that ostensibly believes in working together for the collective good, holds significant majorities in both houses of Congress, yet can't find enough votes to pass what could be their party's greatest accomplishment in 40 years.

Posted by: bsimon1 | March 15, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

don't see how the democrats can come up with the votes.

http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/03/14/new-health-care-whip-count-191-yes-203-no/

Posted by: doof | March 15, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Paulson appears to be stepping into Massa's crazy shoes. Where do the Democrats get these freaks? They make Palin look like a Rhodes scholar.

Posted by: WashingtonDame | March 15, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of sports, maybe Manny Pacquiao should run for office in this country...

"...his promoter, Bob Arum of Top Rank Boxing, tried to dispel the notion that politics would interfere with Pacquiao’s boxing career...“He would do the same amount of work as our U.S. congressmen,” Arum kept repeating. “Next to nothing. So he’d have plenty of time to train and prepare for fights.” NYT

Posted by: shrink2 | March 15, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse


"FIRST, DO NO HARM."

What good is health care reform in a nation where a multi-agency federal-local "program" uses a nationwide high-tech weapon system -- hiding in plain sight -- to silently impair, torture and subjugate extrajudicially "targeted" citizens?

"The Minority Report" has come to America -- and mainstream media and Congress are smug, naive, and deceived (just like President Obama?)

RESTORE CIVIL AND HUMAN RIGHTS -- END BUSH-ERA PROGRAMS OF COVERT HIGH-TECH TORTURE AND POLICE STATE VIGILANTE TERRORISM.

HOMELAND-RUN CELL TOWER MICROWAVE WEAPON SYSTEM ATTACKS, TORTURES, IMPAIRS, 'SLOW-KILLS' TARGETED AMERICANS: VETERAN JOURNALIST

• Why so many cell towers saturate the American landscape -- urban and rural.

• Weapon system patents reveal silent, powerful attack system in YOUR backyard.

• American human rights atrocities, ideological purge, under the cover of national security.

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves

OR: poynter.org/subject.asp?id=2 (see articles list)

NOW IT'S OBAMA'S GESTAPO USA. WHEN WILL TEAM OBAMA ACT?

• Reporter exposing gov't cell tower microwave torture held hostage to community stalking, police-protected, GPS-equipped vigilante squads that burglarize, vandalize and terrorize -- officially-enabled lawlessness that afflicts many thousands of other unconstitutionally targeted and persecuted Americans.

BUCKS COUNTY, PA- BASED MAGLOCLEN FUSION CENTER: "CENCOM OF A MID-ATLANTIC STATES AMERICAN GESTAPO."

Where is the DOJ / CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION investigation?

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
OR NowPublic.com/scrivener (see "stories" list)

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 15, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Republicans should suffer cognitive dissonance, the fact they don't is not news, but still...they facilitate, even celebrate the corporate take-over of government. Our "conservative" Supreme Court has rewritten the constitution (as if corporate speech as an inalienable right could had crossed the minds of the founders) and yet, and yet, when it is time for America's largest, fastest growing industry to get paid, they act like someone else wasn't watching out for the little guy.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 15, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

I think it was Nate Silver who characterized some Dems as "break glass in emergency" votes. Those who will vote against the bill if it will still pass, but know that it's better to actually have it pass for the party's sake.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Also, daylight savings rocks. I love seeing the sun rise and being able to enjoy some daylight after work. I do think the fact that Bush extended the DST year has earned him a place on Rushmore. Get rid of Jefferson. What's he done for us lately?

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Looking forward to seeing how Melissa Bean (D-Ill) votes on health care. If she votes yes then she will lose my vote and my families vote come this November!

Posted by: mwhoke | March 15, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Leap off the cliff, suicidal lemmings.

Good riddance.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 15, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Mark, to answer your question. Yes, dropping HCR will completely disengage the base, and I think it will cost many more seats than passing the senate version and than modifying it. The members of the House know this but they are stonewalling to try and get as much for themselves and their districts as they can. This will pass and than the debate will change quickly. The voters are resigned to the fact that HCR will pass and want it done so that the Congress will than focus on Jobs etc.

Also the ACC is going to suprise some people and knock off one or two of the high seeds.

Posted by: AndyR3 | March 15, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

I woke up with my six year old's cold, so I am in a bad mood. I can't stand Ross Douthat. Paul Krugman complaining again about China being anti-competitive is tiresome too. The Middle Kingdom does not care about poor people elsewhere, who knew? Alan Grayson, though, is funny.

So we are on the verge of adopting a health care centered economic model, something never before attempted. No one got serious about controlling costs when that was a political possibility. People worried so much about government control of health care, they did not notice when health care took control of government. Now we are going to feed the beast, as if by choice.

I hope it works. I wonder whether growing the health care industry could grow gdp; whether an economic model centered on health care delivery and consumption could generate wealth in other words. Of course it has been portrayed as a job killer, health care costs destroyed GM, we heard. This is quite an experiment.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 15, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Man, I haven't been following basketball closely enough this season. I'll be hard pressed to repeat my performance last year of picking all four Final Four winners. (and subsequent games)

The big decision is whether Duke will be the first #1 team to lose in the first round. Anyone with me on that?

Of course, everyone knows that the NIT is the real tournament to watch. Go Heels!

*sigh*

Big East is consistently a strong regular season conference, but you'd have to admit their postseason record is underwhelming. 2003 and 2004 were the last seasons where they were even in the championship game.

I haven't filled out the brackets, but I think Kansas will probably be my champion. Kentucky's path looks pretty brutal. Kansas has a softer field. Syracuse looks a bit overrated. I'm always distrustful of teams that surge like Syracuse did. They often fall back to earth in March. Plus they have a pretty tough road.

This might be a good year to pick an off-the-wall Cinderella team since the field is relatively balanced. I want to pick Siena to go far (although they face Purdue in the first round who I like a lot) Minnesota might also make some noise.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 15, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Minor point in an otherwise good post: how about correcting the incorrect grammar in the opening clause? It should be, "In six days' time,...." The plural possessive is used correctly later in the post. Errors like that in the first few words really detract; purported journalists should be able to write English.

Posted by: rkmjrm1 | March 15, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

I asked the question the other day if dropping HC was a better strategy for Ds, politically, and only Doof thought it would work. The sentiment here among Ds was that passing it would put Rs on the defensive while Ds talked jobs, jobs, jobs. Rs would then be fighting a rearguard action to take away insurance protection for those with prior conditions while Ds were tackling the economy.
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But losing a vote on this while holding a big majority in Congress would probably be the worst of all possible worlds for the Admin. It might help some Congressmen hold their seats, but it probably would so disenchant the D base that many more Ds would lose than gain. If they should have learned anything from Karl Rove it is that engaging their base while not losing the center is the game. On HC, a loss disengages the base, don't you think?

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 15, 2010 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Palin also likes to use mockery and sarcasm when she criticizes the Democrats, so I figure she is merely gettin' as good as she gets.

And 'chillbilly' is pretty obvious in its meaning and probably plays well in Orlando.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 15, 2010 6:40 AM | Report abuse

I do believe that the Big East, and then the Big 12, are stronger than the other conferences this year. The Big East is so strong it is difficult to pick which of their teams are NOT Sweet Sixteen candidates. I suggest that Kansas, K. State, Baylor, and A&M are likely survivors to Sweet 16 from the Big 12. G'town has enough weapons to beat anyone on a good night, but that would have to be matched with a very bad night by the Jayhawks to make a Kansas loss possible. Sort of a reverse of 'Nova over G'town in 1985.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 15, 2010 6:36 AM | Report abuse

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