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The health care campaign begins (again)

1. With President Obama's March 18 deadline to pass health care reform through Congress rapidly approaching, the American Future Fund, a conservative outside group, is spending $900,000 on television ads in 18 Democratic-held districts calling on members to scrap the current plan. The ads decry the "massive spending" and "backroom deals" including the now infamous "Cornhusker Kickback" in the legislation and quote President Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comments during the campaign. "Tell Congress to start over and get health care right," says the ad's narrator.

The districts that AFF is targeting include: Arizona's 1st, Arizona's 5th, Arizona's 8th, Indiana's 2nd, Indiana's 8th, Indiana's 9th, North Carolina's 2nd, North Dakota at large, Nevada's 3rd, New York's 24th, Ohio's 1st, Ohio's 6th, Ohio's 13th, Pennsylvania's 3rd, Pennsylvania's 10th, Wisconsin's 8th, West Virginia's 1st and West Virginia's 3rd. All 18 Democratic members targeted voted for the health care bill when it passed the House last November; eleven of the 18 districts went for Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in 2008. (McCain carried 49 total districts currently represented by Democrats.) The AFF ads are almost certainly the leading edge of a cavalcade of spending by independent groups -- both conservative and liberal -- in the run-up to the vote.

ALSO CLICK: Saturday Night Live's take on the politics of the health care vote.

2. Former Gov. Bob Ehrlich (R) is moving toward a rematch against Gov. Martin O'Malley (D) this fall, according to those familiar with his thinking on the race. Ehrlich is widely seen as the only Republican who could win statewide in Maryland, having already done so once -- when he beat Kathleen Kennedy Townsend in the 2002 governor's race.

Former Ehrlich aides are beginning to build the foundation for his campaign, according to sources familiar with the effort. A recent poll released by O'Malley's campaign -- conducted by Fred Yang -- that showed the governor ahead of Ehrlich by a 51 percent to 41 percent margin. (O'Malley beat Ehrlich 53 percent to 46 percent in 2006.)

In expectation of Ehrlich's candidacy, political handicapper Stu Rothenberg moved from the race from safe for O'Malley to only a "narrow advantage" for the Democrat.

3. Former Genesee County treasurer Dan Kildee dropped out of the Michigan governor's race just two weeks after getting into the contest, the latest Democrat to end a candidacy for the state's top office. Kildee's exit from the race follows similar no-go decisions by Lt. Gov. John Cherry, University of Michigan Regent Denise Ilitch and former state treasurer Bob Bowman; Ilitch and Bowman were both eyed by national Democratic recruiters under the belief that their personal wealth and outsider profile could give the party a chance to hold what is a very difficult seat.

The Democratic race will now likely come down to state House Speaker Andy Dillon and Lansing Mayor Virg Bernero although, in many ways, it has been decided by those who have opted out of running. With Gov. Jennifer Granholm unpopular and term-limited and the state's economy in dire straits, Michigan is among the best pickup opportunities for Republicans in the country.

It's a four-way fight between state Attorney General Mike Cox, Rep. Pete Hoekstra, businessman Rick Snyder and Oakland County Sheriff Mike Bouchard for the Republican nomination.

4. Mark Critz, the former district director for the late Rep. John Murtha (D), won the non-binding endorsement of local party officials in the southwestern Pennsylvania 12th district over the weekend. Critz beat out former state Treasurer Barbara Hafer although Hafer questioned the vote and insisted it would have little effect on today's binding vote by the Democratic state central committee.

The special election to replace Murtha is set for May 18. Republicans are choosing between businessman Tim Burns and 2008 12th district nominee Bill Russell. The district, which Murtha held from the early 1970s until his death last month, was the only one in the country that Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) won in 2004 and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) carried four years later.

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By Chris Cillizza  |  March 8, 2010; 5:55 AM ET
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Comments

I understand the change in tactics by the Obama Administration to the frontal assault on the large insurers, but we don't hear much anymore about the tens of millions of Americans who have no coverage whatsoever.

Why do you think that is?

Posted by: SamanthaAdams | March 9, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

What could possibly be wrong with putting health insurance companies out of business? It's not government's responsibility to enable profiteering in such vital necessities as medical care. And since the morally abhorrent imperative to maximize profit is literally killing people and driving millions into bankruptcy, putting them out of business us way overdue.

In fact, let's go further: put their executives in prison, if not the electric chair.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 9, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

large = last

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 9, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

SInce Scientific American magazine was founded in 1846 I'm going to assume that the rest of that rambling post was a complete boatload of bilge too.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 9, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

elme13:

Because he wants to put private insurance companies out of business with single-payer, government healthcare (BTW: I thought that evil oil companies were BY FAR the wealthiest entities in the U.S. in the large Administration?).

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 9, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Someone opposed to healthcare bill mind telling me WHY Obama would be fighting with the INSURANCE INDUSTRY over Healthcare Reform for any other reason than its the right and NECESSARY thing to do?

Insurance Companies are BY FAR the wealthiest entities in the U.S. YOU willing to pick a fight with them?

Posted by: elme13 | March 9, 2010 2:56 AM | Report abuse

As early as the 1960's Gerard Piel (now deceased founder of Scientific American magazine) was writing about technological unemployment/ the technology/abundance catch-22: technology creates abundance but our MONEY system only works when there is scarcity.

(1st round in that battle was overproduction in agriculture - with the solution being paying farmers not to grow food/work less. (improved by JFK's invention of Food Stamps, resulting in LESS money paid to farmers not to grow food, more food grown, tractors sold, food factory workers employed, more trucks trucking, spreading waves of economic activity generated, more sofas sold, etc.

NEXT ROUND: What happens WHEN we become capable of making an overabundance of MANUFACTURED GOODS? How about what's happening NOW?

What to do: Relax, Work With the Government, they are aware of the Technology/Abundance Catch-22. STOP worrying about, resenting, hating people, orgs, countries getting something for FREE. THAT is part of working thru to a NEW ECONOMICS.

Mental Picture: Inventor ancestors dreamed of the day when their children's children's children would be freed from WANT - supplied abundantly with the necessities of life, food, shelter, education, medical care .... but wait ..... YOU are those children. All you have to do is ACCEPT your Inheritance.

Picture yr 2034 or whenever ... robots inside the factories producing all manner of goods people want (especially Wii's) but, look at all those humans standing outside the factory fence ---unemployed--- with no money to buy what the robots are making --- no money to live indoors & eat food.

Gerard Piel: "Distribution, as everyone knows, is the last frontier of economics"

WE have arrived at that Frontier, we are in perilous times, but hang loose & try to help the change along - the only alternative is to make ourselves artificially poorer.

JFK's Inaugural Address: "Unsolved problems of Poverty and OVERPRODUCTION." NOW, we have to solve that problem. Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.

Posted by: elme13 | March 9, 2010 2:52 AM | Report abuse

Intrade now has chance of HCR passage at 58%.
Momentum is raising the price of these contracts. For the day, price is up 10 points.

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=709242&z=1267779857294

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 9, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

TO: 37th & O @ 11:12 p.m.

One of you is going to crack. One of you is going to let Woodward know that this is a taxpayer-funded boondoggle on the part of free speech-hating bureaucrats.

Then the authoritarians will have been hoisted by their own stinking petard -- once again. Just as is happening now, in THIS case:

SECRET HOMELAND-LED PROGRAM SILENTLY TORTURES, IMPAIRS, 'SLOW KILLS' AMERICANS WITH NATIONWIDE CELL TOWER MICROWAVE/LASER 'DIRECTED ENERGY' WEAPON SYSTEM: VETERAN JOURNALIST

• Secret Bush-Cheney legacy multi-agency federal-local program uses cell tower/GPS satellite microwave/laser electromagnetic precision "directed energy" RF radiation attack system to silently torture, impair, subjugate "targeted" citizens -- and oversees local police-protected "community watch" vigilante harassment, vandalism, and financial sabotage campaigns.

• Electromagnetic and social neutralization, elimination of "dissidents," undesirables, the infirm -- an American genocide, hiding in plain sight.

• Why so many cell towers saturate the American landscape -- urban and rural.

• Weapon system patents reveal silent, powerful attack system in YOUR backyard.

• American human rights atrocities, ideological purge, under the cover of national security.

WHY WON'T MAINSTREAM MEDIA QUIZ THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT THIS DOMESTIC WEAPON SYSTEM -- IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IN AMERICA?

See: poynter.org/subject.asp?id=2 ("articles" list)

OR: http://www.nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves

BUCKS COUNTY, PA- BASED MAGLOCLEN FUSION CENTER: "Central command for a Mid-Atlantic States American Gestapo."

WHERE IS THE DOJ / CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION INVESTIGATION?

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
OR: NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "U.S. SILENTLY TORTURES..." and "GESTAPO USA" ("stories" list).

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 8, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

scrivener50 - you are right - all that is happening - we are all double-agents posting the opposite of what we believe just to gain the confidence of the other side.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/03/08/lake-erie-man-claims-captured-ufo-evidence/?test=latestnews

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

scrivener50 - you are right - all that is happening


Obama is holding at about 54% DISAPPROVAL rating.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama is holding at about 54% DISAPPROVAL rating.

Yea, we don't hear much from the liberals lately, while they wait and hope that Obama and Nancy dredge up the votes to push health care through.

Then we will be subjected to a massive amount of gloating and all sorts of personal attacks and mocking.

Broadwayjoe, where are you/


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse


Re: This "Earlier "Fix" posting:

HEY CHRIS CILLIZZA. HEADS UP.

It's time to shut down these comments. The sickies here need to get worse before they get better and as long as they're able to palliate here they're stuck. They're on here 16-20 hours a day, 365 days a year, and it's keeping them away from the help they need (drivl excepted, he's "inside" already).

It's become a wasteland, there will never b&w good discussion here, time to pull the plug. That, or go to NYT type moderation, with no back and forth at all.

Give it a clean death.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

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Chris:

Have you figured this out yet? This paid blog-spamming, this cyber-effluvia, is most likely a covert government agency psy op (or government contractor psy op, providing "plausible deniability") intended to wear you and WaPo down over time -- until the newspaper decides to close up reader comments.

Why? To prevent REAL PEOPLE such as yours truly from posting comments like THIS:

***

WHO'S COVERTLY CENSORING YOUR TELECOMMUNICATIONS, INCLUDING THE INTERNET AND EMAIL, THEN SCOLDING CHINA FOR DOING JUST THAT?

If you said "Uncle Sam's Seemingly Intractable, Chain-of-Command-Disrespecting Bureaucratic Cabal," you would be correct, sir.

Read this:

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-censors-net-while-obama-lectures-china-net-censorship
http://nowpublic.com/world/how-u-s-spy-ops-censor-web-political-speech
OR: NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 8, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I ••••HATE•••• beards
- Ped


Hence the boys.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 8, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if Madcow is on the record against Clinton lying under oath?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Lemmings in a Toyota - led by Nancy and Steny

Nancy and Steny are both from Maryland - and they know each other from when they were both interns.

That doesn't help though.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler


If you are so unhappy, why don't you leave the blog - seriously


please go.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade


Hows the votes going in the House - find any more democrats who prefer to trade in their seats to be a Lemming in a Toyota ????

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

One really needs to wonder at people like Cillizza who get giddy at the prospect of Republicans coming back into power.  I’m as disappointed in Obama and the Democrats as anyone could be but I can still distinguish their ineffectual incompetence from the outright malice and destructiveness of the Republican Party, the people who trashed the economy with their nutty free-market fundamentalism, who destroyed our esteem in the world and our military readiness to chasing rainbows in Iraq, the people who lie without shame, they party that has shown itself to be as against good government as they claim.
 
As far as I’m concerned anyone who would want to see the GOP back in power is indistinguishable from the people who want to fly airplanes into skyscrapers.  They hate America and they want to see it destroyed, because anyone who doesn’t think that Republican governance will not be the end of American power is somewhere south of stupid.  They know exactly what the end result will be .. a once-great country reduced to shabbiness and powerlessness.  And all to piss off the liberals.
 
You guys make me sick.  And that includes you, Cillizza.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame that 37th never learned to read more than one poll. Obama +2.7 on average. And he's just getting started. [From Realclearpolitics--I cite my sources.]

Incidentally, I've a brother and a good friend who are server jocks. Both clean shaven (sadly, neither available).

BB

RCP Average 2/17 - 3/7 -- 48.6 45.9 +2.7
Gallup 3/5 - 3/7 1547 A 49 44 +5
Rasmussen Reports 3/5 - 3/7 1500 LV 46 54 -8
Ipsos/McClatchy 2/26 - 2/28 1076 A 53 44 +9
FOX News 2/23 - 2/24 900 RV 47 45 +2
Democracy Corps (D) 2/20 - 2/24 1001 RV 49 46 +3
POS (R) 2/17 - 2/18 900 RV 48 48 Tie
Newsweek 2/17 - 2/18 1009 A 48 40 +8

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 8, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler


you are a diphthong - and it is hard to distinquish how bad you are unless one reads alot of your posts.

NOW would you please leave the country and leave us alone?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Not only does Vietnamese have more vowels, eleven if them, but diphthongs can be three vowels long. Over 70. Cambodian has over 130. They're hard to distinguish until one gets a lot of practice.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 9:13 PM


That's probably why nobody ever goes to Vietnam or Cambodia. I went to Hawaii several times and I like their language. I think they have only 12 or 13 letters in their entire alphabet.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 8, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Man Obama can't catch a break - now he is being blamed for the lack of progress in the Middle East.

Wow - that is almost like blaming Bush for the Iraqi war.


We all know that everything is Obama's fault now - and he deserves all the blame after the way the democrats treated Bush for years.

So, all you democrats out there can stuff it.

And that means YOU.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

A diphthong is a sequence if vowels, like the middle of "boat."

Not only does Vietnamese have more vowels, eleven if them, but diphthongs can be three vowels long. Over 70. Cambodian has over 130. They're hard to distinguish until one gets a lot of practice.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Rachel Madcow is running repeats of her attacks against Freedom Works. How boring.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

The language has a lot of diphthongs that it took me a year into learning before I could distinguish. Those horned vowels are a blast.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 8:54 PM

Noacoler, I don't know about diphthongs but I wear a bikini thong in the summer at the beach. Is that the same thing?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 8, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I ••••HATE•••• beards

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 8:58 PM


Wow! Me too.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 8, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler

You are a diphthong - now leave us all alone.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I hear you, 37. I think he's still waiting and hoping for a date with Mr Cillizza's server room guy before he goes.

==

server room denizens have beards growing from their necks

I ••••HATE•••• beards

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama is holding at about 54% DISAPPROVAL rating.

Of those, Obama is at 41% strongly disapprove


Obama is at 46% approval, with 22% strongly approve.

76% of the country would still like to see Obama leave the country and never come back.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

@Suzy: you need to listen a lot closer. It doesn't sound like "win" at all. The language has a lot of diphthongs that it took me a year into learning before I could distinguish. Those horned vowels are a blast.

Anyway I've already taken a name: Cáo Thiên.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

SuzyCcup

It is incredible that most of the people on this blog want Noacoler - not only to have him leave the blog forever - but they want him to leave the country.

He keeps on promising that he is going to do this, but he never does.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 8:42 PM

Yeah, I hear you, 37. I think he's still waiting and hoping for a date with Mr Cillizza's server room guy before he goes.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 8, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Anyone have any counts of House members willing to destroy their careers for the sake of Obama's discredited pipe dream ???

One, two


three, four ?


If the any democrat says yes, they are not fit for office, so they might as well leave now.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

SuzyCcup


It is incredible that most of the people on this blog want Noacoler - not only to have him leave the blog forever - but they want him to leave the country.

He keeps on promising that he is going to do this, but he never does.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Internet connectivity is better in VN than here. It's a Socialist country, after all, not a profit-maximizing free-market sh|thole

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 8:10 PM

Noacoler, when you move to Vietnam, will you change your name to Nguyen and pronounce it "win" like the rest of them?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 8, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

BTW: it seems as if it was RAHM EMANUEL who was guilty of sexual harassment against Rep. Massa:

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 12:14 PM

JakeD, it looks like the shower check that Massa discusses is a regular routine for Rahm. Here's a group getting ready for one of his visits.

http://www.stayfitbug.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/men94shower.jpg

Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 8, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Internet connectivity is better in VN than here. It's a Socialist country, after all, not a profit-maximizing free-market sh|thole

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing how the democratic leadership are feeding their lower-ranking democratic Congressmen to the voters - like certain animals eat their young.

The sacrifice - the lemming like - Toyota like race to the cliff is astonishing.


There is no reason why Massa should resign - we don't know what the details were. The real question is whether there is support growing for the health care bill.


The truth is that few members of Congress want to believe that their re-election is a lost cause - so therefore they should vote for the health care bill.

A MUCH BETTER STRATEGY would be for the moderate democratic to VOTE AGAINST THE HEALTH CARE BILL - AND TAKE THAT TO THE VOTERS.


This is a dead-cat bounce.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


You never have any analysis at all

All you do is say Rasmussen doesn't know what he is talking about, or you quote some bogus Daily Kos poll.

You never do any "analysis"

Why don't you "analyze" yourself off the blog, go with Noacoler to Vietnam in a location where there no internet connection available - and where you two can only talk to EACH OTHER.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he drinks diet pepsi and so his teeth are not rotten. How do we know?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Never heard of it. Last movie I saw in s theater was the third "Matrix.". I'm sure there are some great films worth seeing but I can't stand sitting through commercials or overhearing idiots around me.

Easy to visualize 37th. Never goes anywhere, posts around the clock, probably doesn't know if it's day or night. The sheets crusted with dried sweat, the dried vomit, the empty liter bottles of Pepsi. The rotten teeth.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

If obama thinks the health care bill is still alive, he might as well think that teddy is still alive. Both are far gone. Neither can be brought back. Obama's problem is obviously far more than his cholesterol. It must have spread to his brain. (can you have a high cholesterol count in your brain?) Just wondering.

Check out this analysis of where the votes are on the bill. Updates through today are at the bottom of the article. It sure doesn't look good for barry.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2010/03/counting_the_heads_of_house_de_1.html


Posted by: SuzyCcup | March 8, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

So Noacoler


Is it simply the content of my postings that bother you ????

If my postings were fill of statements which you agreed with, would that be OK with you?

So the content is your issue.

It can not be the frequency, because you post just as much or more.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


At least that guy has an oscar, huh ?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Hearing none, I will be back tomorrow.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Just imagine the smell in 37th's room. The overflowing trash can full of dead cans of pork and beans and dirty plastic forks. The overflowing toilet. The jug of rancid piss for when he doesn't have time to leave the PC. The filthy underwear, cycled through but never washed. The BO. Christ imagine the BO.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 7:31 PM
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Since we have depleted all enthusiasm for the topic, your post reminded me of the scene from "Crazy Heart" where Bad Blake empties the piss jug from his truck as he travels around the country doing the bowling alley circuit. Did you see it and what do you think of his Oscar?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

With you? No, nobody.

Even a cocker spaniel could figure that one out.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Why is a Post-sponsored blog providing a free link to an extreme rightwing political ad trashing health care reform? Just askin'. (Message from Post business department: please see me.)
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The Ehrlich analysis is bogus. At ground zero it was clear the reason he won the governorship before was the presence on the ticket of Mike Steele, who was well thought off back then. Without Steele, Ehrlich would have been perceived as a male Ellen Sauerbrey, a terribly unsuccessful candidate from years earlier.
This isn't a close race.
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"With Gov. Jennifer Granholm unpopular and term-limited and the state's economy in dire straits, Michigan is among the best pickup opportunities for Republicans in the country."

Interesting opinion/cheerleading, but where's the analysis? If you keep sounding like Craig Crawford, you may end up like him.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 8, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else want to discuss the health care campaign beginning (again)?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Just imagine the smell in 37th's room. The overflowing trash can full of dead cans of pork and beans and dirty plastic forks. The overflowing toilet. The jug of rancid piss for when he doesn't have time to leave the PC. The filthy underwear, cycled through but never washed. The BO. Christ imagine the BO.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Oh, please, instead of whining how much everyone else is posting (ironically "around the clock" no less), maybe you two should actually try to contribute to the thread topic instead?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

37 still on here. wow. all through dinner, or when normal people have it, that is. but i guess that microwaved whatever can be eaten in your room, all alone with your computer.

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

There is no reason why Massa should resign - we don't know what the details were. The real question is whether there is support growing for the health care bill.


The truth is that few members of Congress want to believe that their re-election is a lost cause - so therefore they should vote for the health care bill.

A MUCH BETTER STRATEGY would be for the moderate democratic to VOTE AGAINST THE HEALTH CARE BILL - AND TAKE THAT TO THE VOTERS.

This is a dead-cat bounce.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Getting back to the health care campaign beginning (again), 67% of respondents do not think that Obamacare will pass by the March 18th deadline:

http://dyn.politico.com/polls/poll_voterresults.cfm?uuid=3E475E50-18FE-70B2-A844FF0A5243C0BF

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

In re health care, possible good news for the ladies here who talk about drinking from time to time...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8555461.stm

Posted by: shrink2 | March 8, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

A CA state legislator, Roy Ashburn (R), has admitted to being gay after being picked up DUI leaving a gay bar. He has voted against expanding anti-discrimination laws to include sexual orientation, recognizing out-of-state gay marriages and establishing a day honoring gay lawmaker Harvey Milk.

His supporters are saying, really, he isn't hypocrital. And why? Because Ashburn campaigned as being against gays.

Good one, Roy. What goes around comes around, doesn't it.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

But, it's TRUE about Obama ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama lied.


Obama lied.


Obama lied.


Obama lied.


That's what the liberals tried to say about Bush.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Chuck Todd made a good point: Obama has failed to explain to the American people how the health care plan will save us money.


Yea, well.


I have seen democratic Congressmen on television saying that they don't believe there is much in the health care bill in terms of cost-saving measures.


So what is up ???


The bill is not going to save money - the bill has become a mish-mash of who-knows-what. It is time to start to back out of this.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

It didn't take that long (just ask FairlingtonBlade). Also, since I've never looked up Chris Cillizza, of course my Google cache file is bigger on you.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 6:27 PM
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Good catch, Jake.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps next time you won't whine about ". . . we still have hard-core mental cases posting around the clock . . ."?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

It didn't take that long (just ask FairlingtonBlade). Also, since I've never looked up Chris Cillizza, of course my Google cache file is bigger on you.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Wow Jake talk about too much free time. Combing through four days of threads. My Number One fan.

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My file on Chris Fox is MUCH larger than my file on Chris Cillizza.

Posted by: JakeD | January 9, 2010 10:34 PM

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get a life, loser. And take it.

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Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Chuck Todd made a good point: Obama has failed to explain to the American people how the health care plan will save us money.


Yea, well.

I have seen democratic Congressmen on television saying that they don't believe there is much in the health care bill in terms of cost-saving measures.

So what is up ???

The bill is not going to save money - the bill has become a mish-mash of who-knows-what. It is time to start to back out of this.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

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If the most prolific L troll remains that would be discrimination. If I had t leave I will spend my time on the steps of the Federal Building in my locality worshipping government.

Posted by: leapin '

..by blowing up the building.

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

'Seriously man, turn off your computer and walk outside.

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Posted by: 37thand0street '

ROFLOL. if there is anyone in the world with less self-awareness...

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Stop whining, 37th, I'm trying to get you some help.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama lied.
OBAMA LIED.
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Posted by: 37thand0street
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Why can’t drindl ever address the lying, the fraud, the broken promises, the Louisiana Purchase, The Cornhusker Kickback, GatorAid?

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I have never ever seen the this level of lying to get a piece of legislation through Congress.


It is unbelievable.

It is telling how sick and desperate Obama is - to continue to repeat the same lies over and over again.

The newest lie: Obama doesn't know what the political costs of passing the health care bill will be.


Yes he does.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler

Everyone including Chris wants you to leave

So instead of complaining, why don't you just leave?

Seriously man, turn off your computer and walk outside.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama lied.
OBAMA LIED.
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Posted by: 37thand0street
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Why can’t drindl ever address the lying, the fraud, the broken promises, the Louisiana Purchase, The Cornhusker Kickback, Gatorade?

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Noa -- the word is that a better comment monitoring system will be coming to this blog soon, as the WaPo tech people have finally figured out some newer technology. I am told that it will eliminate many of the R trolls.

I wonder how they will spend their empty lives?

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I’ll believe this when I see it.  I don’t think there are enough IT staff at this paper to do anything more demanding than keeping the pizza-boxes plugged in and swapping out dead RAID drives.  They’ve canned the moderators on other blogs like the Precinct, and what moderation we had here was spotty and inept, even unto letting 37th clog get through.
 
CC alluded to some magic bullet on the way months ago, and we still have hard-core mental cases posting around the clock.  We don’t even get those handkerchief-wringing whines by CC anymore, I don’t think he’s paying attention at all.  Any why would he?  Nutty or not, most of the posts are aligned with his GOP affiliation, and as long as the hit counts are high it LOOKS like he’s fomenting discussion.  Never mind that it’s mental.
 
But if it did happen, if 37th and Jake and zouk no longer had the satisfaction of seeing their trolls “in print,” how would they spend their time?  Probably pulling wings off flies, or flashing old ladies at the park, or rambling to bank tellers and convenience store clerks.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Associate Creative Director
2002–2006

..and earning $160,000 a year. and you?

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Noa -- the word is that a better comment monitoring system will be coming to this blog soon, as the WaPo tech people have finally figured out some newer technology. I am told that it will eliminate many of the R trolls.

I wonder how they will spend their empty lives?

Posted by: drindl
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If the most prolific L troll remains that would be discrimination. If I had t leave I will spend my time on the steps of the Federal Building in my locality worshipping government.

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

@drindl,

I would phrase it differently. They impersonate a cast of thousands because they feel weak.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama goes back into campaign mode?? Isn't this the same as the democrats talking to themselves in Washington???

They get a bunch of party loyalists to go out there to cheer Obama - what does that do?

Obama says - he "doesn't know how this is going to play politically."


REALLY

The democrats in the room who want to run downticket this fall know - it is going to hurt them very badly.

Obama knows - he is lying.

Obama lied.


Obama lied.

OBAMA LIED.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

same for dribbl:

I can save Ped the entire night of ranting, free of charge:

note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"

Ctrl V

Use it often.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Empty lives:

Associate Creative Director
2002–2006

Since then, active blogger on the fix minute by minute responsible for cutting and pasting every leftist screed posted across the kookosphere.

someone stop her before she strikes again!

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

'Why would three conservatives impersonate a cast of thousands?'

short answer 12Bar -- they're friggin nuts. Look at their posts. Also, they have nothing else to do.

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Why would three conservatives impersonate a cast of thousands?

Posted by: 12BarBlues
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To offset voter fraud by ACORN???

"Five Wisconsin residents, including two who worked for community organizing group ACORN, were charged Monday with election fraud relating to the 2008 presidential election.
State Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen announced felony charges.."

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 5:05 PM
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Thank you, leapin, for your reason. Acorn.

Now, the other two--do they have a reason?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

drivl:

Bill Clinton was abandoned by several fathers.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Noa -- the word is that a better comment monitoring system will be coming to this blog soon, as the WaPo tech people have finally figured out some newer technology. I am told that it will eliminate many of the R trolls.

I wonder how they will spend their empty lives?

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Leapin,
don't mention shower and Ram in the same sentence. It harkens Ped back to the old high school days at the Academy. Her formative years.

I notice a lot of liberals were abandoned by their parents. I am beginning to think the state does need to interceed on the part of our resident moonbats. Barry does not know who his father was. Ped, likewise was rejected and promptly sent away.

Sounds like their dads were pretty perspicacious.

Of course the outcome is a burden to us all. typical liberal sentiment, someone else can pay.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Why would three conservatives impersonate a cast of thousands?

Posted by: 12BarBlues
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To offset voter fraud by ACORN???

"Five Wisconsin residents, including two who worked for community organizing group ACORN, were charged Monday with election fraud relating to the 2008 presidential election.
State Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen announced felony charges.."

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you just leave?


Wouldn't that address your concerns ?

Posted by: 37thand0street


and do what? his other hobby is what got him that electronic bracelet in the first place. his usual reply is "I am 201 feet from the schoolyard".

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

37th,

Progressives are always disturbed that someone, somewhere might be having fun.

and not paying taxes on it.

without massive oversight, this sort of behavior is simply out of control.

Ped loves to spew insults and gross descriptions all weekend long, but anyone dare to even try anything similar, he runs to mommy, like he has always done.

Same with dribbl. She'll soon be threatening about the authorities.

Perhaps a big nanny government does have its place with certain of our citizens.

Posted by: drivl
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And there are a couple that are just jealous or class envious that they are not being lobbied in the shower by Rham.

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Why would three conservatives impersonate a cast of thousands?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I can save Ped the entire night of ranting, free of charge:

note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"


Take the rest of the week off Ped. you know like last week. I hear the hunting is good over at the playground.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

37th,

Progressives are always disturbed that someone, somewhere might be having fun.

and not paying taxes on it.

without massive oversight, this sort of behavior is simply out of control.

Ped loves to spew insults and gross descriptions all weekend long, but anyone dare to even try anything similar, he runs to mommy, like he has always done.

Same with dribbl. She'll soon be threatening about the authorities.

Perhaps a big nanny government does have its place with certain of our citizens.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Closing down the comments (I don't care about the blog) might get you into therapy, 37th. Or you might commit some form if suicide, be it mouth-gun or by cop, but it's a win either way.

Most if the posts here are by you, Jake, and drivl, all of whom are obviously mentally ill.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems"
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this is what Ped pines for. every conversation should begin and end in this fashion. that is considered, in liberal circles, ever stimulating and enlightening. they can never get enough. If you can toss in something about Mom's basement and the dark Lord cheny, you are considered a genius.

you will notice it is a constant theme throughout every moonbat's postings.

Projection indeed.

""I don't post on here all day every day with ranting and raving - you do.""

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler


You have been banned three times, yet you keep on coming back, now you want the blog stopped for everyone ?


Why don't you just leave?

Wouldn't that address your concerns ?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Toby Keith is pretty much a contemporary version of the same thing.

Although I think he might just be an act. He was on Colbert and very funny, especially in the Christmas Special.

http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/a_colbert_christmas_toby_keiths_war_on_christmas/

Not to mention that he supported Obama.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

drivl:

We can only hope that the Internet connection is spotty in Vietnam ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

What is going on with the Taliban capture in Pakistan ? First they said he was the American in the tapes - but now they say he is another American - then there is another report that this new American is relatively high up in the Taliban ? Is that true ??

What is the story ???

Massa is thinking about staying.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Drindl – You could rent a CO2 blaster to ward off all those right-wing extremists in your neighborhood. One blast of that toxic pollutant is guaranteed to render them incoherent, thereby, effectively making them into progressives.

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

the originator of the term 'banned' on this blog complains.

Priceless.

who said my predictions aren't spot on?

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler:

Didn't Mr. Cillizza ban you at least three times now?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

HEY CHRIS CILLIZZA. HEADS UP.

It's time to shut down these comments. The sickies here need to get worse before they get better and as long as they're able to palliate here they're stuck. They're on here 16-20 hours a day, 365 days a year, and it's keeping them away from the help they need (drivl excepted, he's "inside" already).

It's become a wasteland, there will never b&w good discussion here, time to pull the plug. That, or go to NYT type moderation, with no back and forth at all.

Give it a clean death.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

the other downright (downlow) kook on this site accusses others of paying for a friend.

the outright confusion in their own self awareness is stupifying.

Next they will claim we are all nasty and prone to the use of expletives.

After that is is agreed they will accuse us of not posting on topic and letting personalities enter into the fray.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

even their politicians are easily-fleeced morons:


"BMW Direct, the GOP fundraising firm known for taking long-shot candidates for a ride while raking in big bucks off their campaigns, has re-emerged under a new name -- but with a similar modus operandi. And this time around, even some Republicans are crying foul, with one consultant accusing the firm of engaging in "sub-prime fundraising."

One 2010 client of BMW Direct -- now rechristened as Base Connect -- is William Russell, the retired lieutenant colonel who is running for the Pennsylvania Congressional seat of the late John Murtha. Russell's campaign raised over $895,000 in the fourth quarter of last year, according to federal disclosure records. But it paid over $719,000 of that amount -- about 80 percent -- to Base Connect, and other companies associated with it, which ran the company's direct-mail fundraising program. For the year as a whole, Russell's campaign raised over $2.8 million, but spent over $2.6 million -- much of it again going to Base Connect -- leaving it with cash on hand of just $211,000.

Those numbers were first noted last week in a blog post by Bill Pascoe, a veteran Republican consultant, who declared, very slightly inflating Base Connect's take: "Keeping 82 cents out of every dollar you gross isn't fundraising, it's highway robbery. You might as well call it subprime fundraising."

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

GETTING HEALTHCARE RIGHT (of course) means having the legal President of the United States sign any purported law in that regard. That being said, I would not mind seeing tort reform limiting excessive malpractice awards and increased competition among private insurance companies.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Last entry in resume tell you anything?

Associate Creative Director
2002–2006

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A single fact has sent the loon running.

how funny that this creature's main insult is to accuse others of not having a job.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

12Bar-- they are too stupid to even get that.

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

@ĐĐAWĐ: who’s Toby Keith?  Real Americans quote the riotously agrammatical Lee Greenwood.
 
“I’m proud to be an American
Where at least I know I’m free.”
 
An American … where.  Might make sense if it was “in America” but it’s not.  Riot!
 
And “at least I know I’m free.”  Love the unrecognized implication of “at least.”  No job, no chance of getting one, no talent, stuck in BFE, shat upon by employers, but at least I know ah’m free.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

START OVER AND GET HEALTHCARE RIGHT!!!

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Topic #1: With President Obama's ...

Objection: assumes facts not in evidence : )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson Monday defended controversial new rules that would slash greenhouse gases across the economy, taking on critics from both sides of the aisle who want to delay the regulations.


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It really is amazing how out-of-touch with reality this administration is -


They are insisting that climategate never happened - that all the fake temperature data is correct.


Phil Jones, the professor at the center of the storm, has admitted that global temperatures have not risen in the past 15 years, even with 15 years additional carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.


That means ALL the climate models are wrong - and there is no scientific basis for any cause-and-effect relationship between carbon dioxide and temperature.


Obama is completely out of his mind - he has no idea what he is doing - in a parliamentary system he would have been removed from office already.


Obama is doing nothing but continuing to damage his own party.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

A question for 37th, drivl/zouk/doof/Moonbat/etc., JakeDX, leapin, armpeg, and the rest of the wingnuts.

I know none of you have jobs. That's not my question.

Have any you ever had jobs? Every worked a day in your lives? Ever known what it's like to pick up your own tab?

Oh, and one more question.

Have any if you ever gotten laid?


Posted by: Noacoler
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Liberal women are easy!

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

37th wrote: what is the next bunch of junk that drinl is going to copy and paste into this blog?
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My god, man, you gotta quit setting up the jokes like this!

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pot
Kettle
Black

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

37th, the new topic for today is McCarthy.

Now please post at least 50 repetative and ignorant cut and pastes from some leftist loon site to comply.

dribbl will send you the next topic when her brain returns from its foray into the solar system.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

this just in from dribbl's confused brain:
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do you think drivel could post any more often? getting pretty frantic... must be the manic phase.

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Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Wow


what is the next bunch of junk that drinl is going to copy and paste into this blog?


The question right now is whether Nancy can get the votes from the moderate democrats for the health care bill.


It is interesting - because many of the "fixes" might not go through - and the Senate might never do any of it - so the Senate bill might be the final bill.

What a mess - no one should trust Obama either - there is a such a gap between his rhetoric and his actions - the guy is a liar, plain and simple.


Well, drinl why dont you respond to the topics at hand ?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"PALIN: We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada. And I think now, isn’t that ironic?"

Gah, going from importing Canadian medicine to importing crappy Canadian song lyrics. This is too much. She's lost my vote. Can't she quote Toby Keith like a REAL American?? None of that Alanis Morisette junk.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

For those who understand that protecting ANY (alleged) sitting President is the "greatest challenge" in the history of the Secret Service:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/1209/Secret_Service_Threat_level_against_Obama_no_greater_than_under_Bush_Clinton.html

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

""I can take complex material — technological, financial/insurance, pharmaceutical — and present it in a friendly, informative — and of course — persuasive, manner.


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


Has anyone here ever been persuaded by this delusional moonbat?

Last entry in resume tell you anything?

Associate Creative Director
2002–2006

shall I cite my source lunatic. I am sure Jake would love to get hold of this.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

stop with your racism spam drindl, no-one cares!

is there an ignore button?

Posted by: JBfromFL | March 8, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

you must be joking. no woman would want any of them to touch her --- too repellent. and even if they did find one -- they couldn't perform.

why do you think hate radio shows like limberger always have nothing but erectile dysfunction advertisers?

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I wouldn’t know.  I can’t stand to listen to the radio.  Even the local progressive station never goes more than fifteen seconds before they’re talking about “when we come back after the break.”  Yeah, the break.  Happy chatter with 800 numbers and exclamation points you can hear.  And NPR is just boring.  I’ve never heard Limbaugh except some quote where he was roaring “I’m a conservative!  You should SEE the mail I get!”  Yeah, the guy who preaches hate all day whithers like a soap bubble if he gets any back.  I’d certainly never endure AM talk radio, but no, it doesn’t surprise me they’re funded by ED ads.  Not at all.
 
I don’t think Jake or drivl could get laid if they paid for it, and not even a Third World girl desperate to escape slavery would shack up with someone as clearly demented and abusive as they are.  Of course they’ve never gotten laid.  People who have sex would feel peaceful and relaxed, at least for a short time, and these guys don’t want to ever feel like that, nor do they want anyone else to feel like that.  They believe normal Americans are eternally hyped up with war fever and hate and derision, always maxed over crap like abortion and “Socialism.” 
 
It’s nice to know that we’ll never have to get any closer to them than here.  The two times I’ve had major rabid wingnuts at work I was able to get them fired.  Not hard.  Just forward their emails to HR, or complain about handgun pictures on the outside of their offices.  Move to the West Bank if you’re such a hotshot.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

For McAdam, the crucial question is how to sort this body of vitriol into its constituent parts – to separate out those individuals and groups who may be offensive and repulsive in their choice of words but are essentially harmless, from those that have the potential to be truly violent. He likes to think of it as a funnel, at the top of which are many people drawn to radical right groups for all sorts of reasons – gun rights, taxation, Obama-as-alien, or whatever. Most never go further than that level, but some do. "As they dig into the subject, going down into the funnel, they start to lose connection with the social networks around them that keep them tied to normality. Down, down they go, and eventually out the other end of the funnel emerges the Oklahoma bomber, Timothy McVeigh, who says, 'Our country is under attack, I must do something about it.'"

It's the thought that some may be emerging from the end of the funnel at this politically charged moment, McAdam says, that bothers him so, and makes him think that "violence against President Obama is a real concern".

McVeigh, executed in June 2001, is a name that crops up frequently among the extremism monitors. It comes up again when Mark Potok gives his last word on the threat to Barack Obama. The white supremacists and anti-government militia who are out to get the president should not be underestimated, he says. "These groups aren't al-Qaida. Most of them look vastly more bumbling than effective." But then he adds: "It only takes one to get through. Timothy McVeigh taught us that."

they really aren't any different than al-queda, though. all of you wingers hate your government -- and your government IS America.

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Chip Berlet, an analyst of rightwing extremism at the Massachusetts-based group Political Research Associates, estimates that there have been nine murders by individuals who have white supremacist, xenophobic or antisemitic leanings since the inauguration of Obama. Berlet sees similarities in the current foment to the militia agitation of the 1990s. "Anger is spilling over from people who believe Obama is coming to remove their liberties, seize their guns, enslave the white American nation. What's new is that they can now recruit and communicate online, and that makes it very much more dangerous for the president."

Montana is one of the rural states where resurgent extreme rightwing activity can be detected. Travis McAdam has been tracking such activity for the last two decades on behalf of the Montana Human Rights Network, so has a unique vantage point for what is going on today. "The hatred that's there is very real. It's more than a gut-level hatred of having an African-American as president, it's also ideological – these people see black people as sub-human. Groups are popping up that have a new message and are using Obama to recruit new members."

White supremacist forums that provide closed talking shops for members only have been abuzz with anti-Obama rhetoric since the presidential election. In one such talkboard, monitored by a watchdog group, a correspondent writes: "if we want to see the overthrow or the cleansing of society then we should support Obama being where he is! I believe in the coming war. With this Nig as President he will just speed up the process. He's a catylist! Is'nt this what we want?" Another says: "Our backs are really against the wall now. We need progressive activism and we need to be solution orientated. For a Whiter future for our children." A third says: "I never thought I'd ever see the day when a monkey ran my country & I'm 34. I weep for our children."

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Which is why in the overall assessment of risk to Obama, so much attention is settling on rightwing extremist groups who are already operating inside America, are armed and ideologically motivated, and in some cases potentially capable of desperate acts. This brings us back to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which has been tracking the activity of potentially violent militia groups since the last great wave in the 1990s when the so-called Patriot movement ballooned in proportion to rising rightwing anger towards Bill Clinton and fears of impending gun control. That wave of opprobrium culminated in the Oklahoma bombing in which 168 died and 680 more were injured.

The centre's latest report, released last week, records an astonishing mushrooming in extremist anti-government Patriot groups who see the Obama administration as a plot to impose "one-world government" on liberty-loving Americans. The numbers leapt from 149 groups in 2008 to 512 groups in 2009, of which 127 were classed as paramilitary groups.

"We know there has been a spike in activity across a broad range of things, particularly with regard to the notion that this government is illegitimate," says Brian Levin, a criminologist who heads the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University. Levin says the phenomenon is evident in rural areas around the Appalachian mountains and Great Lakes and into the west and Pacific north-west, where new armed militia groups are spontaneously emerging; and he has no doubt about why this is happening right now: "We've always had people who hate the president, we've always had conspiracies, but the fact that we have a black president at a time of economic tumult makes these conspiracies much more volatile among a far wider group of people."

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Put lipstick on that pig!

I'm really tired of the healthcare bill. I'm almost ready to give in and not be against it out of shear annoyance. n o t.

Why not start over and take the bullcrap out of the bill, like specials deals, pork and abortion? And, while your at it, why not be transparant and put the whole thing up on c-span for us all to witness?

hmm, fat chance.

Posted by: JBfromFL | March 8, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

You're welcome : )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Next entry: 24 August 2008. The day before the opening of the Democratic convention in Denver at which Obama was nominated, three white supremacists are arrested in possession of high-powered rifles and camouflage clothing. They are talking about assassinating Obama.

24 October 2008: Less than two weeks before the election, two white supremacists are arrested in Tennessee over a bizarre plan to kill more than 100 black people, including Obama.

21 January 2009: The day after Obama's inauguration, a white man is arrested in Massachusetts, having allegedly killed two black immigrants and injured a third. He says he was "fighting for a dying race".

10 June 2009: James von Brunn, aged 88, walks into the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington and shoots dead a security guard. Von Brunn, who died last month in jail awaiting trial, left a note that read: "Obama was created by Jews."

In the 13 months that Barack Obama has been the occupant of the Oval Office he has been the subject of an extraordinary outpouring of emotion from the American electorate. At the start it was largely adulatory, though more recently the adoration has been drowned out by a cacophony of criticism from tea party activists, birthers, global-warming deniers and viewers of Fox News. At the same time, largely hidden from view, there has been a layer of antagonism towards Obama that lies well beyond the boundaries of reasonable political debate.

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Is there any further doubt as to the source of dribbl's two years plus odyssey among the unpaid and unappreciated.

If you saw it's resume you would understand.

My greatest skill is........tedious liberal blather, to be honest. Ignorant uncreative invective.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse


Inside the world of Obama's secret-service bodyguards

Protecting the US president has presented the secret service with the greatest challenge in its history. But who wants to kill him? And how likely are they to succeed?

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Barack Obama surrounded by bodyguards in 2008

Barack Obama surrounded by bodyguards on a visit to Jerusalem in 2008 Photograph: Ronen Zvulun / Reuters/REUTERS [This caption was amended on 8 March 2010. The original omitted the photograph's location. This has been corrected.]

The Southern Poverty Law Center began life in 1971 as a tiny law firm specialising in civil rights cases. It took on the might of the Ku Klux Klan, and was duly rewarded by having its offices razed and its senior lawyers targeted for assassination. But it kept on going and grew to be one of the most respected monitoring groups of rightwing extremism in America today.

Recently it brought out a report called Terror From the Right, which identifies, in chronological order, the serious home-grown plots, conspiracies and racist rampages that have been cooked up in America since the Oklahoma City bomb in 1995. The list runs to 10 pages of closely printed type and itemises 75 domestic terrorism events, from plans to bomb government buildings to attempts to kill judges and politicians.

Each of the incidents aimed to change the political face of America through violence, courtesy of groups with such titles as Aryan People's Republic, The New Order and The Hated. But in the summer of 2008 the chronology takes on a sharp change of tack. Entries, which had been running at one or two per year, start coming faster. And instead of a variety of different targets, one name crops up time and time again: Barack Obama.

The first such entry is for 8 June 2008. Six people, linked to a militia group in rural Pennsylvania, are arrested with stockpiles of assault rifles and homemade bombs. One of the six allegedly tells the authorities that he intended to shoot black people from a rooftop and predicts civil war should Obama, who five days previously had cleared the Democratic nomination for president, be elected to the White House.

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Thank you scrivener,

You are the voice of sanity, relatively speaking.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"Rep. Eric Massa has said that he’s resigning his seat in Congress today. But, he declared in something of an understatement: ''I will not go quietly,'' Massa, D-N.Y., put on his political boxing gloves yesterday in a lengthy, rambling monologue"


Rep Massa was later overheard saying "Senator Bunning, you are an inspiration."

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Posted by: bsimon1 | March 8, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

anyway, the trogs are on here all the time, so when would they have time? they're probably all fat, ugly and pimply in any case, if their bodies in any way resemble the ruined caverns of their methdead 'brains.'

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

BLOG-SPAM BREAK TIME AGAIN...

Echoes of the JFK years, 1962-3.

Listen to Numbers 4 (big in Baltimore-D.C.) 10 and 5 in that order and get educated.

http://peteantell.com/music/2718

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 8, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

just f*ckin neanderthals, what can you say?
Posted by: drindl
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And I see you can type at the same time.

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

@leapin,

You have a mind that defies description. Don't ever change.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"Oh, and one more question.

Have any if you ever gotten laid?"

you must be joking. no woman would want any of them to touch her --- too repellent. and even if they did find one -- they couldn't perform.

why do you think hate radio shows like limberger always have nothing but erectile dysfunction advertisers?

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

the wingers on here are
just f*ckin neanderthals, what can you say? but that's insulting neanderthals, isn't it?

Posted by: drindl


dribbl arrives at her most intelligent thought for the day.

good work old bat. you are miles past where you started. Clearly a good slice of liberal thought and a solid contribution to the tone and temprament of liberal ideals. your writing skills are better than ever and your creativity and originality are indicitive of your wordly view and extensive education.

It is getting harder to tell you and Ped apart, so urbane in your wit and wisdom with such command of the gutteral language employed by all recognized scholars.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The House bill (sans Stupak Amendment) also has tax hikes, Medicare cuts, and notorious backroom deals. STOP OBAMACARE NOW!!!

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

A question for 37th, drivl/zouk/doof/Moonbat/etc., JakeDX, leapin, armpeg, and the rest of the wingnuts.

I know none of you have jobs. That's not my question.

Have any you ever had jobs? Every worked a day in your lives? Ever known what it's like to pick up your own tab?

Oh, and one more question.

Have any if you ever gotten laid?

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Intrade now has chances of HCR passage up to 56%. Chances have gone from around 30% to 56% in the last 72 hours. Of course, they could be DEAD wrong.

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=709242&z=1267779857294

Posted by: 12BarBlues
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This uses the old paradigm economics of market determining supply and demand. You need to consider the new economics of Barry and Tim. It is entirely centered on modern high-speed digital printing press technology coupled with willing Chinese purchase of output.

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Specter was having a little trouble sleeping, then he got some advice from Parker Griffith (D-La - whooop! R-La) and now sleeps like a baby.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 8, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

...I don't want to retire

Posted by: Noacoler


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

How will your boss ever even tell the difference?

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The Obama administration has boosted U.S. defense ties to Israel and will close ranks with its ally against any threat from a nuclear-armed Iran, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden said on Monday ahead of a trip to Israel. Biden arrived on Monday afternoon in Israel, where he plans to deliver a message to the Israeli public about U.S.-Israel relations, the Iranian nuclear program and the Middle East peace process.


Like a Moped in the fast lane - Meet Barry Soetero and his sidekick Joe.

Hey maybe we shouldn't close gitmo. maybe terrorists are not random criminals. Maybe we should kill the enemy. Just sayin'. Maybe think about it for next year.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

GOP TRIPS BACK TO MCCARTHY ERA TO REVIVE BLATANT FEARMONGERING
Posted by: drindl
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Rham it home. Crisis..Crisis..take advantage. Worst crisis since last crisis. Must act now!!!

-brought to you by the progressive party of fear

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Here in DC, the snow has melted. If that doesn't prove warming I don't know what you need. It is definately much warmer than it was even two months ago. At this rate, all the animals in my yard will be fried to a crisp in no time. I can recognize a trend when I see one.

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if this us what idleness does to a person I don't want to retire

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Eric Massa has said that he’s resigning his seat in Congress today. But, he declared in something of an understatement: ''I will not go quietly,'' Massa, D-N.Y., put on his political boxing gloves yesterday in a lengthy, rambling monologue on a small, upstate New York radio station, where he declared himself ''guilty'' of making ''inappropriate'' comments to a staff member and suggested that he’s being forced out of Congress as part of a ''set up'' involving the Obama White House. ''I will not go quietly into the evening. I will not be ashamed of my actions,'' he said.

true or not, the idea that this Present ident and his MAdame DeFarge would stoop (excuse me, BOW)to this level, which is perfectly accepted by the voters as within his expected actions, is terminal for the Libs.

the corruptocracy of Madame Peloony is revealed for all who are not too stupid to see. Present stooges obviously excepted.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Intrade now has chances of HCR passage up to 56%. Chances have gone from around 30% to 56% in the last 72 hours. Of course, they could be DEAD wrong.

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=709242&z=1267779857294

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

the wingers on here are
just f*ckin neanderthals, what can you say? but that's insulting neanderthals, isn't it?

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

In vietnam is cooling warming or is warming cooling?

Here in DC, the snow has melted. If that doesn't prove warming I don't know what you need. It is definately much warmer than it was even two months ago. At this rate, all the animals in my yard will be fried to a crisp in no time. I can recognize a trend when I see one.

Al, help us!!!

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Massa should stay - at least long enough to vote against the health care plan.

Who I do not understand is Alan Specter - his voters elected him as a Republican - and he is now a democrat.


Doesn't he feel any loyalty to represent the people who actually voted for him?

Clearly, those voters elected him to support an agenda different from the one he is supporting now.


HOW DOES HE SLEEP AT NIGHT???

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

WE INTERRUPT OPERATION BLOG-SPAM FOR THIS BULLETIN:

ATTENTION ALL LAWMAKERS:

Federal health care reform? "First, Do No Harm."

Why is Team Obama Covering Up Ongoing Bush-Cheney Program Atrocities?

SECRET HOMELAND-LED PROGRAM SILENTLY TORTURES, IMPAIRS, 'SLOW KILLS' AMERICANS WITH NATIONWIDE CELL TOWER MICROWAVE/LASER 'DIRECTED ENERGY' WEAPON SYSTEM: VETERAN JOURNALIST

• Secret Bush-Cheney legacy multi-agency federal-local program uses cell tower/GPS satellite microwave/laser electromagnetic precision "directed energy" RF radiation attack system to silently torture, impair, subjugate "targeted" citizens -- and oversees local police-protected "community watch" vigilante harassment, vandalism, and financial sabotage campaigns.

• Electromagnetic and social neutralization, elimination of "dissidents," undesirables -- a covert American genocide.

• Why so many cell towers saturate the American landscape -- urban and rural.

• Weapon system patents reveal silent, powerful attack system in YOUR backyard.

• American human rights atrocities, ideological purge, under the cover of national security.

WHY WON'T MAINSTREAM MEDIA QUIZ THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT THIS DOMESTIC WEAPON SYSTEM -- IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IN AMERICA?

See: poynter.org/subject.asp?id=2 ("articles" list)

OR: http://www.nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves

BUCKS COUNTY, PA- BASED MAGLOCLEN FUSION CENTER: "Central command for a Mid-Atlantic States American Gestapo."

WHERE'S THE DOJ / CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION INVESTIGATION?

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
OR: NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "U.S. SILENTLY TORTURES..." and "GESTAPO USA" ("stories" list).

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 8, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

People with minds and scientific training can grasp this. Right-wing losers with mental problems point to temperature drops and do some aboriginal taunting-dance and crow that “warming is cooling.”

Posted by: Noacoler
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Vietnam may be hosting the next winter olympics!

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Urgent note to dribbl's brain:

Please resend, even more stuck on stupid.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson Monday defended controversial new rules that would slash greenhouse gases across the economy, taking on critics from both sides of the aisle who want to delay the regulations.


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It really is amazing how out-of-touch with reality this administration is -

They are insisting that climategate never happened - that all the fake temperature data is correct.

Phil Jones, the professor at the center of the storm, has admitted that global temperatures have not risen in the past 15 years, even with 15 years additional carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

That means ALL the climate models are wrong - and there is no scientific basis for any cause-and-effect relationship between carbon dioxide and temperature.

Obama is completely out of his mind - he has no idea what he is doing - in a parliamentary system he would have been removed from office already.

Obama is doing nothing but continuing to damage his own party.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

The spate of news stories delving into West Wing palace intrigue has become so relentless that President Barack Obama warned his team against fueling the blaze. ''Don’t get absorbed in the Washington finger-pointing and intrigue,'' the president told his senior advisers during a recent meeting, according to one top aide. (Snip) ''This is what Washington does — it gets itself into a tizzy,'' White House senior adviser David Axelrod said, adding that the president’s team is determined to ''stay tight.''

Additional instructions included:

don't listen to polls
don't pay attention to elections
don't read the constitution
Don't watch cable news
don't go to church
don't look at the data
don't talk about jobs
don't worry about the cost
don't take the temperature
don't worry about your own job
don't dare cross me
don't ask me any questions
don't wonder where I was born
don't take away my booze and cigs
don't wonder who wrote my book
don't worry about my grades or papers
don't demand transparency
don't mention the deficit
don't bring up deadlines
don't ask about my don't tell
don't mention gitmo
don't know about Iran


Is that too much to ask?

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

MCCARTHY EXPLOITED FEARS GENERATED BY THE COLD WAR

From 1950 until he was censured by the Senate in 1954, McCarthy continued to exploit the fear of communism and to press his accusations that the Truman and later Eisenhower administrations were failing to deal with communists within its ranks. These accusations were made without McCarthy furnishing a shred of evidence to back them up, yet they received wide publicity, increased his approval rating, and gained him a powerful national following.

It was Herbert Block, the longtime editorial cartoonist for The Washington Post, who coined the term "McCarthyism" as a synonym for demagoguery, baseless defamation, and mudslinging. Later, it would be embraced by McCarthy himself and some of his supporters. "McCarthyism is Americanism with its sleeves rolled," McCarthy said in a 1952 speech, and later that year he published a book titled McCarthyism: The Fight For America.

By 1954 -- his demagoguery exposed by the legendary CBS newsman Edward R. Murrow and the televised Army-McCarthy hearings that same year -- many of McCarthy's fellow senators had had enough. On June 1, Senator Ralph Flanders (R-Vermont) blasted McCarthy, comparing him to Adolf Hitler and accusing him of spreading division and confusion. "Were the junior senator from Wisconsin in the pay of the Communists," said Flanders, "he could not have done a better job for them."

It was Flanders who introduced the Senate resolution that called for McCarthy's censure. The resolution passed on December 2, 1954 by a vote of 67 to 22, a greater-than-two-thirds majority in the then-96-member Senate (Alaska and Hawaii had not yet been admitted to the Union). McCarthy never recovered from his rebuke, either politically or physically. He plunged into alcoholism and died from cirrhosis of the liver in 1957.

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

GOP TRIPS BACK TO MCCARTHY ERA TO REVIVE BLATANT FEARMONGERING

Devoid of fresh ideas to compete with the Democrats and to restore their own credibility, the Republicans -- under growing pressure from Tea Party activists and others to move even farther to the right -- appear to have decided to go "back to the future" sort to speak -- only in this case, back nearly 60 years to the fear-plagued 1950s.

That the new GOP aggressiveness would evoke memories of McCarthy's demagoguery should surprise no one who is well-versed in American history. The Wisconsin Republican's career had been marked by making accusations without providing a shred of proof to back them up, according to author Arthur Herman's 1999 book, Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator.

Even before his infamous anti-communist witchhunts, McCarthy came under sharp criticism in the late 1940s when he lobbied for the commutation of death sentences given to a group of Nazi soldiers convicted of war crimes for carrying out the 1944 Malmedy massacre of American prisoners of war.

McCarthy was critical of the convictions because of allegations of torture during the interrogations that led to the German soldiers' confessions. He charged that the U.S. Army was engaged in a cover-up of judicial misconduct, but never presented any evidence to support his accusations. Shortly after this, a poll of the Senate press corps voted McCarthy "the worst U.S. senator" in office.

McCarthy shot to national prominence on February 9, 1950, when, while delivering a speech to the Republican Women's Club of Wheeling, West Virginia, he produced a piece of paper that he claimed contained a list of known communists working for the State Department.

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

LIZ CHENEY ACCUSED OF JOE MCCARTHY-STYLE SMEAR

Such attacks by Cheney drew an equally blistering counterattack by Ken Gude, a national security expert at the Center for American Progress, a think tank. "It's not kind of like McCarthyism," wrote Gude in an e-mail to TalkingPointsMemo.com, "it is exactly what Joe McCarthy did with his anti-communist witchhunts. Cheney accuses the Attorney General of the United States of being a supporter of al-Qaida and running the 'Department of Jihad.'"

But Gude isn't alone. Several prominent lawyers who worked for the Bush administration also blasted Cheney. Former Solicitor General Ted Olson called Cheney's attacks "outrageous" and fiercely defended the DOJ lawyers handling the terror-related cases, saying they were acting "consistent with the finest traditions of the legal profession."

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

BAD NEWS FOR RNC WHOSE COFFERS ARE DRYING UP

For Steele, the leak of the controversial fundraising document could not have come at a worse time. The GOP national chairman has come under fire from major party donors unhappy with what they say is Steele's lavish spending habits since he was elected party chairman 14 months ago.

The feud has led to major donors turning away from the RNC and toward other GOP committees. Politico.com reported February 23 that the RNC has raised $24 million since Steele took over as chairman -- down significantly from the $46 million it raised in 2005.

To make matters worse, according to campaign finance reports, a $23 million RNC surplus that Steele inherited when he took over has shrunk dramatically to $8.4 million a year later.

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Note to brainless:

If England gets warmer, that's even better. either way, al gore flies in his jet to the next conference.

now pray with me:

Mmmmmm mmmmmm mmmmmmmmmm

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

GOP FORCED INTO DAMAGE-CONTROL MODE AFTER LEAK

Revelation of the RNC fundraising document on Wednesday forced the GOP into full-scale damage-control mode, with RNC Communications Director Douglas Heye frantically issuing an e-mail to major Republican donors and to the media to downplay its significance and seeking to distance GOP National Chairman Michael Steele from it.

"The document was used for a fundraising presentation Chairman Steele did not attend, nor had he seen the document," Heye wrote in his e-mail. "Fundraising documents are often controversial. Obviously, the Chairman disagrees with the language and finds the use of such imagery to be unacceptable. It will not be used by the Republican National Committee -- in any capacity -- in the future."

By Sunday, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky), confronted with the controversy, acknowledged that the fundraising presentation "was not helpful" to the party. Appearing on ABC's "This Week," McConnell said that he "can’t imagine why anybody would have thought that was helpful."

McConnell refused to say whether he thought that Chairman Steele and others at the RNC should be held accountable for the document. "I don't run the RNC. That's up to them. But I don't like it, and I don't know anybody who does," he said.

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

wonder why we haven't heard anything about this on the Fix, hmmm?

Having lost control of both the White House and the Congress -- and under mounting pressure from the Far Right -- the Republican Party has been caught plotting to launch an aggressive campaign of stoking fears of the country moving toward "socialism" under President Obama and the majority Democrats in Congress to raise money for the upcoming midterm election cycle.

At the same time, a conservative group with ties to former Vice President Dick Cheney's daughter Liz has come under fire for launching a blistering Web ad that questions the patriotism of seven Justice Department lawyers assigned to handle the cases of terrorism suspects -- branding the unnamed attorneys "the al-Qaida 7" and mocking the DOJ as the "Department of Jihad."

These two developments have prompted fierce accusations by Democrats -- and even some former Bush administration attorneys -- that the GOP is stooping to outright fearmongering reminiscent of the infamous "Red Scare" whipped up in the early 1950s by late Senator Joseph McCarthy (R-Wisconsin).

PLANS USED CRUDE IMAGE OF OBAMA IN WHITEFACE AS THE JOKER

The Republican National Committee was forced into damage-control mode after plans to raise money for the upcoming midterm election campaign by aggressively pursuing a drive to "save the country from trending toward socialism" under Obama were exposed by Politico.com, which obtained a copy of the plans.

Incredibly, the confidential 72-page document, which was prepared by the party’s finance staff, was left behind at the conclusion of a February 18 party retreat in Boca Grande, Florida. It was picked up by a Democratic operative, who furnished it to Politico.com.

"What can you sell when you do not have the White House, the House, or the Senate...?" the document asks. "Save the country from trending toward Socialism!" comes the reply.

Several of the document's pages include crude caricatures of top Democratic leaders, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-California) as Cruella DeVille from the Disney movie "101 Dalmatians" and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nevada) as the cartoon character Scooby-Doo.

Most controversial of all, however, was a caricature of Obama as the Joker, the psychopathic nemesis of Batman in "The Dark Knight." That caricature of the nation's first black president in whiteface -- employed frequently by Tea Party movement activists -- has been denounced as racially offensive.'

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Quick, send refill for dribbl's brain.

It is stuck on stupid again.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Compare what Massa has done to what Charlie Rangel and David Paterson has done -

How can anyone say that Massa should be the one to go - in order to give the democratic party a "clean" image ???

If Nancy Pelosi wants a "clean" image for her party, get rid of Charlie Rangel - seriously folks.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"Tomorrow, conservative groups Americans for Prosperity (AFP) and Americans for Tax Reform are organizing a rally at the Georgia State Capitol to protest the state’s upcoming budget. The protest, like many recent anti-tax protests, is cloaked in an ideological veneer of fiscal conservatism and limited government. The invitation presents the rally, where Grover Norquist is speaking, as an opportunity to “cut spending and encourage economic growth.”

But the Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s Jim Galloway notes that the fine print at the bottom of the invitation e-mail says the list serv was paid for “by Altria Clint Services on behalf of Philip Morris USA”:

Notably, part of the new budget is a proposal to levy a cigarette tax. Both groups involved in the protest have a long history of astroturfing for corporations to build popular support for their policies.

AFP is led by Tim Phillips, a longtime astroturf lobbyist who has used evangelical and conservative groups to lobby on behalf of corporations like Enron and the gambling industry. AFP was founded and continues to be funded by oil billionaire David Koch, who has aggressively used his group to oppose clean energy reforms that might cut into his business.'

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

It appears that the result is that he got fired, the Congressman is out, and the entire staff is fired.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Pretty accurate prediction of what Obamacare will do to the medical and insurance industry as well. and the Lib advantage in congress.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

typical winger hypocrite:


'In November of 2009, Sarah Palin — who is always suggesting that health care reform will lead to socialism — insisted that Canada needs to reform its health care system to “let the private sector take over.” But this past Saturday in Calgary, Canada — at “her first Canadian appearance since stepping down as governor of Alaska last summer” — Palin seemed to deviate from her fear of socialized Canadian medicine when she revealed that her family has benefited from the Canadian system:

PALIN: We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada. And I think now, isn’t that ironic?

This isn’t the first time Palin highlighted the difficulty of obtaining affordable health care in America. During the presidential campaign, Palin discussed how her and husband Todd had “gone though periods of our life here with paying out-of-pocket for health coverage until Todd and I both landed a couple of good union jobs.” At the Vice Presidential debate, Palin recalled times in her marriage “in our past where we didn’t have health insurance and we know what other Americans are going through as they sit around the kitchen table and try to figure out how are they going to pay out-of-pocket for health care?”

Palin’s experience also highlights the fact that American medical-tourism to Canada is common, despite conservatives’ claims that Canada’s health care system drives Canadians into the states. “Every year, thousands of Americans undergo surgery in other countries” where they can receive the same care “at half the price.” “In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans traveled abroad for medical care; this number is anticipated to increase to six million by 2010″ — far outpacing the number of Canadians coming into the United States for medical treatment. It’s good to know that Palin was once one of them.'

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

you're so right, Jake3. And these wingers are so simple that R politicians can steal them blind and they will thank them for it.

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I do not understand the Massa staffer - what did he seek to accomplish by making the complaint?


It appears that the result is that he got fired, the Congressman is out, and the entire staff is fired.

How is that what anyone intended ???

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Massa should stay - forget this craziness - Massa should try to weather the storm just like Charlie Rangel.

Anything that Massa has done has to be a whole lot LESS WORSE THAN WHAT CHARLE RANGEL HAS DONE.

The democrats are sitting there with the comparison to Charlie Rangel - and they don't have much to say.


By the way, Massa's side of the story appears to indicate that the staffer in question was also engaged in "salty talk" - so what was the problem ???

Massa should stay - and fight this craziness - let the facts be placed out - Massa has 9 more months to go, let him stay.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Only shakey Legs would have this guy on any more:

DAN RATHER: Part of the undertow in the coming election is going to be President Obama's leadership. And the Republicans will make a case and a lot of independents will buy this argument. "Listen he just hasn't been, look at the health care bill. It was his number one priority. It took him forever to get it through and he had to compromise it to death." And a version of, "Listen he's a nice person, he's very articulate" this is what's been used against him, "but he couldn't sell watermelons if it, you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic."

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

cooling is warming
 
==
 
You are a god damned moron.  And to think you have the temerity to claim to work in some capacity that involves having a brain.
 
Take a look at a globe.  Compare England and Iceland.  Note that they are at the same latitude.  Yet England has a temperate climate while Iceland may as well be the Arctic.  Ever wonder why the difference?  Of course not, you’re a f ucking idiot.
 
For everyone with a functioning brain: England’s climate is warmer than latitude would dictate because of warming ocean currents.  As the devastation we euphemistically call “climate change” comes to pass, those currents will move southward.  England will lose its artificially warmed climate and become like Iceland, deeply cold, with five-month winters.  While the overall effect is global warming, there will be some areas that actually become cooler.
 
People with minds and scientific training can grasp this.  Right-wing losers with mental problems point to temperature drops and do some aboriginal taunting-dance and crow that “warming is cooling.”

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

'
How can you be so wrong - who are you - some socialist, trying to fool the country into accepting your far left-wing agenda which will end in high debts and high taxes for generations ???'

i feel sorry for you if you are really this stupid.

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

some socialist, trying to fool the country into accepting your far left-wing agenda which will end in high debts and high taxes for generations ???

Nah, that's for Republicans to do.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 8, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

The economics of personality? The concept defies logic not to mention the laws of finance and accounting, but according to Newsweek's Eleanor Clift it wasn't the combination of President Ronald Reagan's attack on inflation and his low tax rates on individuals and businesses - but his personality that rescued the economy from the malaise of the early 1980s.

Now if only Barry had a personality. I mean one of his own. Barry Barack Soetero, whatever?

this is how liberals think. Evidence this blog. Instead of ever taking on facts and figures, they wallow in who is the person behind the fake name, who works, who is mental, etc.

they think it will hide the fact that all the stooges are unemployed mental patients, barely getting by without handouts from productive Repubs.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler |


Why do the insane people like you have to be reminded WHO WON THE COLD WAR.


The thing that amazes me about the "socialism" label is that few democrats actually deny it - RATHER THEY DEFEND SOCIALISM.

It is astonishing to me - Obama never said during the campaign that he was a socialist - instead there were denials. The democrats always appear to run all these focused group phrases during the campaign - then AFTER when they win the election THEY START TO TELL EVERYONE WHAT THEIR MANDATE IS.

It is really a joke.

This is what Obama has a mandate to do:


Post - racial policies, Post-partisan policies, transparency - AND BIPARTISANSHIP WHICH MEANS SUPPORT FOR A HEALTH CARE BILL THAT BOTH PARTIES AGREE TO.

THAT is Obama's mandate, nothing else.

Anything else that Obama tries to do is OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT.


If Obama doesn't like it, he should have written a different platform in 2008.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

drindl


How can you be so wrong - who are you - some socialist, trying to fool the country into accepting your far left-wing agenda which will end in high debts and high taxes for generations ???

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to pull the wingnuts aside and whisper softly that “socialism” doesn’t have the gut-wrenching mind-stopping power that it used to back in the 50s.  There are millions and millions of Americans who never hid under their desks in school, to whom the Soviet Union is no more scary than Teapot Dome.  And to whom Palin’s beloved “pry-vit secter” healthcare means that illness leads to bankruptcy.  
 
Time to take the remaining sting out of the word, to acknowledge that, first of all, government-run healthcare isn’t Socialism any more than is the Medicare that most of the baggers benefit from, and second of all to acknowledge the contribution of Socialist thought to our lives.  Your employer isn’t allowed to maim you anymore, nor force you to work 14-hour days, and you get weekends, fifteen-minute breaks, and vacations.  People also need to be made to understand that the imperative of profit maximization is evil and sick, and that doing away with regulations and “Socialist” protections will reduce us to rural India in a generation.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues

I am not moonbat or anyone else - although that is a cool name - I am just me.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

there's probably 3 of them altogether, 12 Bar, but the first troll here was zouk, who's been on here every day all day long for more than 2 years. chronically unemployed. he goes by a number of names, currently moonbat and drivel. he usually starts the morning as moonbat -- some OCD thing, probably. many posters here feel that he's probably institutionalized, as he is not really functional.

the next is jake, who is veriably a retired [and extremely shady] trial lawyer who some people here have identified.

his assasination talk on here about Obama and threats of violence against other government figures has made me wonder if the state bar of California might want to know about them... he is in violation of professional standards and perhaps the law as well.

37 is probably more than one poster as he is on 24/7 -- maybe a bunch of R frat boys in a dorm. or maybe a methead, which would explain the Shiavo-style brain function.

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not backwards. he is upside down:

Opywy


cooling is warming
surrender is victory
closed doors are transparent
corruption is hope
spending is saving
bipartisan is when Dems flee
deadlines..........

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

typical winger hypocrite:


'In November of 2009, Sarah Palin — who is always suggesting that health care reform will lead to socialism — insisted that Canada needs to reform its health care system to “let the private sector take over.” But this past Saturday in Calgary, Canada — at “her first Canadian appearance since stepping down as governor of Alaska last summer” — Palin seemed to deviate from her fear of socialized Canadian medicine when she revealed that her family has benefited from the Canadian system:

PALIN: We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada. And I think now, isn’t that ironic?

This isn’t the first time Palin highlighted the difficulty of obtaining affordable health care in America. During the presidential campaign, Palin discussed how her and husband Todd had “gone though periods of our life here with paying out-of-pocket for health coverage until Todd and I both landed a couple of good union jobs.” At the Vice Presidential debate, Palin recalled times in her marriage “in our past where we didn’t have health insurance and we know what other Americans are going through as they sit around the kitchen table and try to figure out how are they going to pay out-of-pocket for health care?”

Palin’s experience also highlights the fact that American medical-tourism to Canada is common, despite conservatives’ claims that Canada’s health care system drives Canadians into the states. “Every year, thousands of Americans undergo surgery in other countries” where they can receive the same care “at half the price.” “In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans traveled abroad for medical care; this number is anticipated to increase to six million by 2010″ — far outpacing the number of Canadians coming into the United States for medical treatment. It’s good to know that Palin was once one of them.'

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

@noa,

I'm going to need one of those genealogy passages. Like, first zouk begat drivl and his brother jake. Drivl begat.... And 37th was borne of moonbat or vice versa.

I'm having a hell of time keeping up with all the illusions of right winger(s) when we actually only have ONE right winger.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues


Are you still drunk from your pubcrawl ?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Looking for hints, 37th?

Posted by: JakeD3


________________________________

What do you mean ???

Trying to coordinate some strategy on this blog ???

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

@leapin: indeed I am. You should try it.

@12Bar: it's just another derisive zouk moniker

note that every regular right-wing poster here is unemployed and has mental problems. Any reason to think that's peculiar to online right-wingers?

And then there are the truly immature ones, "democrap" and "statist" and "neocom" ... scratching ballpoint swastikas into desktops, only now it's online

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

37th says: I don't know what to say
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Oh if that were only true.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what to say - the democrats appear to be operating on the premise that "if they don't pass health care the democrats are going to get hammered at the polls in November" Isn't the opposite true ?? The public does not want the bill.

The democrats are suffering from group-speak - maybe they really have developed the characteristics of a cult -

It makes no sense to pass a bill that the American public does not want.

OOOOHHH, yes it does make sense, they say, because the public wants the individual components of the bill.......

They seem to have an answer for everything - The question is : are their enough ADULTS in the democratic party to put the brakes on this disaster ? This is all self-inflicted.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Everybody! Keep posting. We can keep 37 below half of the line count.

Y E S

WE

C A N

(yes we can can, yes we can can)

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 8, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Too bad--back to 37thandNoFun.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Massa should STAY


Forget about all these stupid things.

I do not understand this "politically correct" staffer - the final result appears that the entire office is losing their jobs.

It appears that the staffer wants to impose his own "gay sensitivity language" on the Congressman - who never probably understood any of that.

Was this gay staffer in the closet or open ?? Perhaps - after the gay person comes out of the closet - he doesn't want anyone else to talk about him being gay - that perhaps any reference to him being gay is offensive.

Doesn't it seem like this is out of control ??

The truth is no one really know what passes the sensitivity test and what doesn't - the banned words keep on changing -

AND it seems if one group has a few meetings, and tell themselves that certain words are no good anymore, then EVERYONE else, without notification, is then subject to being deemed "insensitive" for using words which have been acceptable for decades.

The whole thing has run out of control.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I looked at it backwards, but then I got hungry. I just want to know where dekaj is so that I can go there for a bit of tabnoom.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 8, 2010 1:40 PM

maybe that's what amabo's problem is

Posted by: doof | March 8, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I looked at it backwards, but then I got hungry. I just want to know where dekaj is so that I can go there for a bit of tabnoom.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 8, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Can you imagine someone picking the name of doof?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 1:37 PM

can 12blueballs imagine someone being a liberal?

Posted by: doof | March 8, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

So now in addition to the usual mental patients we get adolescents posting here.

My PgUp key is worn down so it don't say PgUp no more.

Posted by: Noacoler
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You're much more interested in going down anyway.

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

So now in addition to the usual mental patients we get adolescents posting here.

My PgUp key is worn down so it don't say PgUp no more.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 1:32 PM
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Bwahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

You couldn't make this stuff up. This is a great day for laughs. Can you imagine someone picking the name of doof? Read about the spectroscopy. hahahahaha

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

My PgUp key is worn down so it don't say PgUp no more.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 1:32 PM

try spectroscopy. should make you feel better. stay away from 12blueballs. that will help too

Posted by: doof | March 8, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse


drindl


What did you do, just type the talking points into the computer - or did you copy and paste them from an email ???

Posted by: 37thand0street
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For $75 she gets the emails from the DNC and a free cell phone download of the Howard Dean screech ring tone.

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I don't do a ton of spectroscopy. I have been doing some fluorescent imaging looking at translocation of certain proteins. I think that's kind of been a fruitless endeavor as I don't think the models I study are really having much of an effect on protein trafficking.

Well, at least not the proteins I've looked at. I do think there's an effect on adhesion molecule trafficking which might have some interesting clinical applications dealing with tumor metastasis. But that's another problem for another day.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

So now in addition to the usual mental patients we get adolescents posting here.

My PgUp key is worn down so it don't say PgUp no more.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Looking for hints, 37th?

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 8, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

drindl


What did you do, just type the talking points into the computer - or did you copy and paste them from an email ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"because of something that Lenin said"


If Lenin said food is good, Real Patriots (TM) will starve!

Posted by: bsimon1
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Lennon said "If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't going to make it within anyone anyhow"

This eliminates a connection between the American people and Barry and most of his appointees.

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I think doof is choking on a spectrascope.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 8, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

12barblues = 12 blueballs

must be the spectroscopy.

Posted by: doof | March 8, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Maybe you should look up the definition of spectroscopy.

Anyone else? Bwahahahahaha

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 1:19 PM

i did. liberals are too stupid. looks like he had it up your rear too.

Posted by: doof | March 8, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

BB, it's in immunology, although with a pharmacological bent.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2010 1:09 PM

that guy with the spectroscopy, did he have it up your rear?

Posted by: doof | March 8, 2010 1:14 PM
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Bwahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe you should look up the definition of spectroscopy.

Anyone else? Bwahahahahaha

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

There are two possibilities:

1) DDAWD is a drooling idiot per drivl or

2) Drivl is a drooling idiot.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 1:15 PM

number 1 is right. dawd is an idiot. always stick with your first guess

Posted by: doof | March 8, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"because of something that Lenin said"


If Lenin said food is good, Real Patriots (TM) will starve!

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Posted by: bsimon1 | March 8, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

leapin


Can Obama practice bowing and try to get votes for health care at the same time?

I don't see why the administration thinks that Obama's trip should be a deadline - the House can work with Obama.

Forget it - the House members are not going to vote for the Senate bill without the "fixes" going through the Senate first.


This is crazy.

The best thing to do is probably send the whole thing back to committee - sit down with the Republicans and see what parts of the bill they will support - cut out all the taxes and the massive additional spending - and pass a bill with true bipartisan support. Oddly enough, the path to getting something done is EXACTLY what Obama said he would do during his campaign.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse


BB, it's in immunology, although with a pharmacological bent. I'm looking to see how knocking down the function of a DNA repair enzyme affects the ability of certain immune cells to "talk" to each other. It's interesting stuff, actually. I'm finding that this enzyme actually controls the expression of a signal transduction protein. So when you block the function of the enzyme, the immune cells can still talk. The cells basically become a whole bunch of zooks. The cells can talk just fine, but due to the lack of a signal transduction component, they can't HEAR anything and therefore, nothing gets done.

Now I've just got to stretch that to 200 pages and I'm all set.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2010 1:09 PM
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There are two possibilities:

1) DDAWD is a drooling idiot per drivl or

2) Drivl is a drooling idiot.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

BB, it's in immunology, although with a pharmacological bent.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2010 1:09 PM

that guy with the spectroscopy, did he have it up your rear?

Posted by: doof | March 8, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

BB, it's in immunology, although with a pharmacological bent. I'm looking to see how knocking down the function of a DNA repair enzyme affects the ability of certain immune cells to "talk" to each other. It's interesting stuff, actually. I'm finding that this enzyme actually controls the expression of a signal transduction protein. So when you block the function of the enzyme, the immune cells can still talk. The cells basically become a whole bunch of zooks. The cells can talk just fine, but due to the lack of a signal transduction component, they can't HEAR anything and therefore, nothing gets done.

Now I've just got to stretch that to 200 pages and I'm all set.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

The fact is that the health care system is broken for far too many Americans. And the country cannot afford the status quo.''

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
dribbl's lib speak gives away her utter confusion on anything that requires thinking through the problem:
A: the fact is that almost all americans do not see their insurance as broken, rather in need of some tinkering around the edges. the Libs would like to break it completely so as to insert the big government plan, effectively outlawing profit and insurance companies. they will drag us all down to the lowest level - the fair thing to do.
B: What the country can't afford is Obama and the Libs. Even total idiots can see this. Dribbl et al must be even below that incredibly low bar.
Posted by: drivl
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Here’s something that the country cannot afford.

Obama's policies will add $9.7 trillion to the national debt according to congressional budget analysts. The annual GDP of the USA is about $13 trillion. Interest payments on the debt will quadruple from $209 billion this year to $916 billion by 2020.

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Leapin, since it doesn't go into effect until 2016, it must be passed this weekend. there is no time to waste.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

The Massa situation seems to have blown up - and he hinted he might not resign today - the whole thing is not making sense.

If Massa is really just guilty of a few horrible remarks, that is not grounds for resignation.


That is hardly grounds for a complaint, so that really makes no sense either.


It appears to me that if Massa was not running for re-election, he would be a prime candidate to switch his health care vote from no to yes - because in that situation he would not be concerned about the November elections.

So who is pushing him out, and why - it will take a few months to get a replacement in, so a motive that a replacement is better would not really makes sense either.


If Massa was a no, he stays a no, so what?

Massa could have been a "Mark Foley" which the leadership did not want - but who cares - is there any allegation of underage or pages ? NO - it's a staffer.


If Massa wants to stay, he should stay -

It is that simple.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 8, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Barry needs to leave for Asia on March 18. Therefore we should rush to pass HC. He needs to put this bill to rest so he has time to practice his bowing before the trip.

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

@surfdumb,

Your premise is that the administration and Congress should be impeached and removed from office because they attempted healthcare reform. Your underlying reason is because of something that Lenin said.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

@ddawd - What field? I'm in spectroscopy myself.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 8, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

As Lenin said, "Medicine is the keystone to the arch of socialism" (see 'Obama's College Years: Barry's Marxism' @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgOy71oa3hw). Thomas Paine said "It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government." & Thomas Jefferson apparently saw Obama, Rhambo, Pelosi, (ok Bush also) etc. coming - "If once (the people) become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions." People need to Demand Prosecution or Impeachment of the Corruptocrats and Socialists and support States Rights, see www.tenthamendmentcenter.com. It is a Fed crime to violate of the Oath of Office, to advocate fundamentally changing our form of government or to exceed the enumerated powers of Congress. "When once a republic is corrupted there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil." –- Thomas Jefferson on the necessity of the impeachment provisions to our Constitution

Posted by: surfdumb | March 8, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

The fact is that the health care system is broken for far too many Americans. And the country cannot afford the status quo.''


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

dribbl's lib speak gives away her utter confusion on anything that requires thinking through the problem:

A: the fact is that almost all americans do not see their insurance as broken, rather in need of some tinkering around the edges. the Libs would like to break it completely so as to insert the big government plan, effectively outlawing profit and insurance companies. they will drag us all down to the lowest level - the fair thing to do.

B: What the country can't afford is Obama and the Libs. Even total idiots can see this. Dribbl et al must be even below that incredibly low bar.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

62% of Iraqis voted in this week's parliamentary elections as compared to 58% in 2005. Clearly, Obama's duck and cover policy in Iraq is

A

COMPLETE

FAILURE

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 8, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

If I had the failure record of Barry and the angst of trying to live up to the mess - iah image I had cast for myself, there would be drinking involved too.


In his mind he is thinking "How much longer can I keep up this image, this fraud?" Maybe another big read from the prompter is in order. Or a deadline. that always works. Yeah a deadline.

It is up to the likes of dribbl, Ped, DDAWD and all the convenient idiots to prepetrate this lie.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

The Obama administration, partly because of its past declarations, partly because of its own innate confusion, cannot quite celebrate the success in Iraq and so settles on the confused notion that we nobly removed Saddam and fostered consensual government although we should never have tried to do either.

Similar surreal examples could be found in matters of healthcare, global warming, partisan politics, and immigration. It seems appropriate to suggest that Obama came into office with little clue how to govern or to galvanize the country. He assumed that he would simply advertise himself as not George Bush, and almost anything he subsequently did would be declared inspired by the enthralled media.

Keep that notion in mind, and the confusion over the last year makes a sort of sense.

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse


Pending reform legislation, specifically the Senate bill, would launch an array of pilot projects to test reforms in delivering and paying for care. It would also create a special board to accelerate the adoption of anything that seemed to work. That seems a reasonable way to go and a lot better than standing by as costs continue to spiral out of control. The Republicans’ proposals — including their call to cap malpractice awards — would make only a small dent in the problem.

WHAT ABOUT THE DEFICIT?: Republican critics of health care reform have done an especially good job of frightening Americans with their talk of bankrupting the Treasury. The truth of the matter is that the pending reform legislation has been designed to generate enough revenue and savings to more than offset the substantial cost of expanding Medicaid and providing subsidies to the middle class.
...

Any change as big as this is bound to cause anxiety. Republicans have happily fanned those fears with talk of “dangerous experiments” on the “best health care system in the world.” The fact is that the health care system is broken for far too many Americans. And the country cannot afford the status quo.''

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

46 MILLION AND RISING: If nothing is done, the number of uninsured people — 46 million in 2008 — is sure to spike upward as rising medical costs and soaring premiums make policies less affordable and employers continue to drop coverage to save money.
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It should be no surprise that people without insurance often postpone needed care, and many get much sicker as a result. That is morally unsustainable. It is also fiscally unsustainable for safety net hospitals — which foist much of the cost on the American taxpayer when the uninsured end up in the emergency room. As the number of uninsured rises, that bill will rise.

The Senate’s reform bill would reduce the number of uninsured by an estimated 31 million in 2019. The Republicans’ paltry proposals would cut the number by only three million.

BUT I HAVE INSURANCE: While most Americans have insurance, many pay exorbitant rates because they have no bargaining power with insurers. That includes many of the tens of millions who buy their own insurance — the unemployed, the self-employed, and those whose employers do not offer insurance…
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BUT I LIKE MY INSURANCE: Most Americans get their insurance through large companies, with large group bargaining power. While they complain about premiums and paperwork, most seem satisfied with their coverage…

For this group, the real advantage of reform is security. If they get laid off, decide to be self-employed or switch to a smaller employer that offers no insurance, they will still be guaranteed coverage — even if they are a cancer survivor or have heart trouble or any other pre-existing condition. And they will be able to buy insurance on the exchanges.

I’M JUST WORRIED ABOUT COSTS: You should be. The cost of medical care is rising far faster than wages or inflation… Many reforms that people instinctively believe should cut costs — computerization of medical records, paying doctors for quality not quantity of services, and prevention programs to promote healthy living and head off costly illnesses — cannot yet be shown to lower costs.'

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

if reform fails:

'As the fierce debate on President Obama’s plan for health care reform comes to a head, Americans should be thinking carefully about what happens if Congress fails to enact legislation. Are they really satisfied with the status quo? And is the status quo really sustainable?

HOW REFORM WOULD WORK: ... Under the new system, all people would be required to have health insurance or pay a penalty. If you are poor or middle class you would also get significant help through Medicaid coverage or tax credits to pay the premiums.

The legislation would create exchanges on which small businesses and people who buy their own coverage directly from insurers could choose from an array of private plans that would compete for their business. It would also require insurance companies to accept all applicants, even those with a pre-existing condition. And it would make a start at reforming the medical care system to improve quality and lower costs.'

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

for god's sake, the stupidity of rightwingers. 'Mayberry' was fictional -- but I guess a lot of wingers can't tell the difference.
Posted by: drindl
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There’s plenty of stuff out there to satisfy your prurient interests.

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I'd come across as a drooling idiot.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

In fact, you already do. didn't you hear? Must be a liberal thing, inability to hear, react, change, reply.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

President Barack Obama's tendency to drink too much, and his inability to stop smoking was revealed publicly this week. His refusal to stop smoking, and his need, according to the White House physician's official diagnosis, to moderate his alcohol consumption are huge red flags, health-wise. In fact aggressive or "non-moderate" alcohol intake, and cigarette smoking specifically (pipes and cigars are not nearly as dangerous) contribute to many poor health factors that do not show up immediately. Yet everything from heart disease to various cancers can be accelerated due to these behaviors

But in President Obama's world, personal responsibility barely means anything. He seldom exhibits it, and the nation that voted for him reviles it.

President Obama may not wish to curb his habits as it relates to his health. But generally speaking, such risky behavior should put him outside the boundaries of expecting to have other people pay for his cancer surgery, his diseased liver, or the eventual recovery from a stroke or heart attack should the unthinkable occur

Individuals who wake up in the morning, rub their eyes, and know in their hearts that they will only rise or fall by the results of their own efforts, also categorically tend to also be the people who are the most generous with those who do fall on hard times. Giving billions each year to ease the pain of hunger and suffering in other lands, while at the same time taking dinner to a next door neighbor who just lost his job.

Those who sit waiting for the collective to care for them do so at the expense of the survival of free society.

But if you're President Obama, or any one of his millions of supporters, what do you have to lose in another few drinks before bed, or sneaking a smoke before the girls get home from school?

Hey, if something bad does happen... He doesn't have to pay for it!

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

@drindl,

So the RNC document is authentic? What happened to the folks who were saying it was dummied up.

If it is real, could you post a link so we can all see it?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"My condolences. If only the dissertation were as easy as writing on this blog, eh. You seem to be a good writer to me.


Posted by: 12BarBlues "

Thanks, but it's all relative. It's easy to seem like a good writer on this board. However, if you got rid of the jaked and 37+o posts and replaced them with mark_in_austin and shrink2 posts, I'd come across as a drooling idiot. I guess it's no coincidence that the intelligent posters have lives that prevent them from being on this board all day while the idiots can post from dusk til dusk.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

When will this President STOP campaigning and begin serving as President -- make decisions, compromise, truly inspire --LEAD? I thought we elected a President, not just another politician, I guess America 'screwed up'.

Posted by: mpwynn | March 8, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Foreign Relations – Obama promised a better international image. Well, the Swedes and Norwegians sure like us better, but he has clearly antagonized our closest allies (Britain and Israel) and pandered to dictators in North Korea, Iran, and Venezuela. He almost let a small friend (Honduras) be taken over by a Chavez front man and has left Colombia hanging out to dry to appease his union friends. China and Russia love him because they know that we have a weak President and they can act with impunity.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

as the party fights within itself over how low to go:


'Republicans are criticizing the RNC for producing a fundraising document that includes a “racially charged depiction of President Barack Obama as the Joker from ‘Batman.’” Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said the presentation is “unhelpful,” while Orrin Hatch (R-UT) called the presentation “shameful.”

''A group of “leading conservative lawyers and policy experts” are denouncing Liz Cheney’s McCarthyite attacks on Justice Department lawyers as “shameful.” “We consider these attacks both unjust to the individuals in question and destructive of any attempt to build lasting mechanisms for counterterrorism adjudications,” wrote the 19 lawyers.'

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

BTW: it seems as if it was RAHM EMANUEL who was guilty of sexual harassment against Rep. Massa:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/03/08/massa_rahm_emanuel_would_sell_his_own_mother_for_votes.html

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

yeah, bring back 14 hour workdays and seven day work weeks

idiot

Posted by: Noacoler


Like it matters to Ped whether he blogs from home or "work".

He could be missing for a week and his employer would never know the difference. Such is life as a Liberal. but man would she freak if that welfare check ever bounced, the trajectory we are now on.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

'I'm outraged at the Dems but I really don't want a pack of lunatics in charge.'
I agree. Obama is coming close to destroying the country, one more like him and it would all be over. I'm cynical, but I believe that it will be necessary to move eventually, because the number of docile statist sheep in this country, who happily allow their government masters to shear them at will, is increasing, and eventually we will get another D president, and that will be the end of the middle class and probably life as we used to know it.
Anyone seen bankrupt socialist Europe? That's where the democratic party is taking us.

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, yeah, we've all heard the "Chicken Little" bit if we elect ONE MORE Republican President, it would all be over, end of the middle class, nuke the Soviet Union, etc., etc.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

drivl:

If Keith (and Rachel) lose his show AND Glen Beck stays on, that would be sweet!!!

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Actually, it's more to do with the fact that I'm just working like a dog on this dissertation. I love science, but I hate the writing aspect of it!

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2010 11:57 AM
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My condolences. If only the dissertation were as easy as writing on this blog, eh. You seem to be a good writer to me.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

'Lawmakers in Florida are hoping to pass a $75 million incentive package to attract movie studios to film in Florida, but a little noticed provision could deny tax credits to movies that feature gay or other “nontraditional family values.” Florida’s Entertainment Industry Economic Development Act would revise the current incentive program — which already offers a tax credit worth 2% of a movie’s production costs if it is “family friendly” — to specifically exclude movies that depict “nontraditional family values” from receiving the additional credit. Here is the relevant provision:

A certified production determined by the Commissioner of Film and Entertainment, with the advice of the Florida Film and Entertainment Advisory Council, to be family-friendly…Family-friendly productions are those that have cross-generational appeal; would be considered suitable for viewing by children age 5 or older…and do not exhibit or imply any act of smoking, sex, nudity, nontraditional family values, gratuitous violence, or vulgar or profane language. Under the current incentive program, review of the final release version is not required and nontraditional family values, gratuitous violence, and implied acts do not exclude a film from receiving this additional credit.

State representative Stephen Precourt, whose district includes Disney World, says the purpose of the credit is to encourage movies to depict cinematic life from the 1960s.

“Think of it as like Mayberry,” Precourt told the Palm Beach Post News. “That’s when I grew up — the ’60s. That’s what life was like. I want Florida to be known for making those kinds of movies: Disney movies for kids and all that stuff. Like it used to be, you know?”

for god's sake, the stupidity of rightwingers. 'Mayberry' was fictional -- but I guess a lot of wingers can't tell the difference.

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

every day i thank sarah palin for killing the health care bill. smart cookie she is. beautiful too.

Posted by: doof | March 8, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I love science, but I hate the writing aspect of it!


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Don't worry. there is this new "science" called global warming where all you have to do is beleive. no writing, no research, no experiments.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

@ddawd,

I agree that there is a minimum package that must be passed together for the reform to make sense.

Regarding pre-existing conditions, insurance companies cover pre-existing conditions without problem in the employer insurance market. And that is without a mandate. It is ONLY in the individual market that pre-existing conditions are a problem. The individual market is about 15% of the total market.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

the end of an error:

This cable news soap opera -- a.k.a. "Countdown With Keith Olbermann" -- is alienating viewers as quickly as the angry and demanding diva has pushed away friends, family, and colleagues over the course of his tumultuous career.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/keith_olbermann_as_the_spittle.html

And that's just the beginning of the rant-whimper-scream-sob-sob that daily spills from Keith's fourth-floor corner office and permeates the oh-so-Manhattan headquarters that MS-NBC shares with parent NBC. He is typical of our progressive political and media elites, whose cardinal rule is simple: I do what I want, and you do what I want.


And so he does. And when NBC executives and others seek to remind him of life's little burdens (you can't verbally abuse women in the office, you can't verbally abuse women out of the office, etc.) he sometimes hides under his desk, as progressive men are wont to do.

And the rage builds. Even the Los Angeles Times, its editorial offices a haven for aging leftists sympathetic to his rants, noted his increasingly visible "frustration and anger and volume and core meltdown."


Core meltdown, indeed. The rants have grown increasingly vicious and disconnected from reality, causing even long-time allies to wonder whether, in fact, Keith's mother was right: Her son may be a few pixels short of an image.


sounds exactly like our confused freind dribbl. I wonder if even that moonbat watches poor Keith any more.

Who knows -- perhaps he'll order NBC to do a makeover of "Countdown" in time for the fall elections. New graphics, new set, and a new theme song.


Yes, definitely a new theme song, perhaps borrowed from the 1966 novelty hit of his childhood:


And they're coming to take me away Ha Ha
They're coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha


To the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time...

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"@ddawd,

I have my dark moments, too. It's really hard not to be pessimistic when we see corporate interests dominating every part of our lives. I see it too.

When I am in my darkest moods, I look at the numbers and try to see if it validates my mood. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

Posted by: 12BarBlues "

Actually, it's more to do with the fact that I'm just working like a dog on this dissertation. I love science, but I hate the writing aspect of it!

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, that's the bad news. The good news is that there won't be any jobs.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 11:53 AM


we already have that. haven't you noticed that 20 percent of country is unemployed or underemployed

Posted by: doof | March 8, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Does Obamacare include a drink of water????

Neglected by 'lazy' nurses, man, 22, dying of thirst rang the police to beg for water

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1255858/Neglected-lazy-nurses-Kane-Gorny-22-dying-thirst-rang-police-beg-water.html#ixzz0hbZNo521

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

'I'm outraged at the Dems but I really don't want a pack of lunatics in charge.'

I agree. Bush came close to destroying the country, one more like him and it would all be over. I'm cynical, but I beleive that it will be necessary to move eventually, because the number of docile sheep in this country, who happily allow their corporate masters to shear them at will, is increasing, and eventually we will get another R president, and that will be the end of the middle class and probably life as we used to know it.

Anyone seen 'Idiocracy'? That's where the republican party is taking us.

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

The PO is not an essential component as much as the three items I listed are, so it is something that can be added on later. However, those three things must be passed as a package.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2010 11:51 AM


you must be channeling jimmy carter. get a new crystal ball and you won't look so stupid.

Posted by: doof | March 8, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Obama should DEFINITELY put himself in the line more often.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

yeah, bring back 14 hour workdays and seven day work weeks

idiot

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 11:49 AM
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Yeah, that's the bad news. The good news is that there won't be any jobs.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

much better to be party of no than party of socialism.

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yeah, bring back 14 hour workdays and seven day work weeks

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 11:49 AM

we don't have to worry about that. republicans will take over in november and heal this country.

Posted by: doof | March 8, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"I am under the impression is that the reason the polls are not more favorable is because of liberal opposition which is added to conservative opposition. If you look into the internals of the polls that ask the question, you find up to 15 points of the negatives are liberals who wanted more. "

another good point. I think people got so caught up on the public option that they saw it as central to the bill.

Obama has made some noise about trying to get the PO passed seperately. That might be more plausible. I do think there's something to be said for trying to pass incremental bills. There's less opportunity to find some random clause for an insurance wh*re like Palin to scream about death panels. Despite all that's been going on, the PO is still pretty popular, so a bill with the PO and nothing else might be doable. But there are things that need to be together in one bill for this to work. 1) You need to keep insurance from denying coverage. 2) You need everyone to be covered. 3) You need subsidies to ensure that those who can't afford it are covered. The PO is not an essential component as much as the three items I listed are, so it is something that can be added on later. However, those three things must be passed as a package.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

@ddawd,

More numbers. Punters at Intrade have chances of HCR passing at nearly 55% which has moved significantly up in the last week.

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=709242&z=1267779857294

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

It's a small detail, worthy of discussion only because it highlights a much larger problem. President Obama apparently doesn't have any close friends among foreign leaders according to this Washington Post piece by Jackson Diehl:


I recently asked several senior administration officials, separately, to name a foreign leader with whom Barack Obama has forged a strong personal relationship during his first year in office. A lot of hemming and hawing ensued.

One official mentioned French president Nicolas Sarkozy, who is scheduled to bring his glamorous wife to the White House residence this month for a couples dinner with Barack and Michelle Obama. But in France, Sarkozy's bitterness toward Obama, the product of several perceived snubs, is an open secret, reported widely in the French press. In a speech at the U.N. General Assembly in September Sarkozy appeared to mock Obama's signature disarmament initiative, saying "we are living in a real world, not a virtual world."

Angela Merkel's name also came up: Obama and the German chancellor, I was told, share a down-to-business pragmatism. But Merkel, too, has been conspicuously cool toward Obama ever since he made Berlin a stop on his 2008 election campaign. She stopped him then from appearing at the Brandenburg Gate and was said to be miffed last November when Obama didn't show for ceremonies celebrating the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin wall. Anyway, diplomats say that Merkel has a much warmer relationship with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.


And no one named Gordon Brown which reinforces the notion that our more than 100 year "special relationship" with Great Britain is dead - at least in Obama's eyes.


all that apologizing and sucking up and nothing to show for it. Position after position is proving George was right and Barry was cluelessly naive.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

the republicans will be known as "the party of NO,"

Posted by: Opa2 | March 8, 2010 11:37 AM

much better to be party of no than party of socialism.

==

yeah, bring back 14 hour workdays and seven day work weeks

idiot

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Obama's policies will add $9.7 trillion to the national debt according to congressional budget analysts. The annual GDP of the USA is about $13 trillion. Interest payments on the debt will QUADRUPLE from $209 billion this year to $916 billion by 2020.

Today’s Neocom Statist Destructionst Party.

The Party of NO sense.

The Party of NO money.

Posted by: leapin | March 8, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

@ddawd,

Here's one thing we REALLY agree on. The President is awesome when he puts himself on the line. He needs to do this a LOT earlier.

More FDR needed.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Only self serving Democrats can stop health care reform now. This bill now is a democratic responsibility and if it fails the republicans will be known as "the party of NO," we democrats will be known as "the party that WON'T. The same happened in'94 when democrats lead on by Sam Nunn stopped health care reform. If it happens again we democrats do not deserve to govern and should be booted from office.

==

agreed on their not deserving to govern but if Republicans regain power then America's descent to Third World poverty and squalor will be entirely unchecked; from small slips to freefall. I'm outraged at the Dems but I really don't want a pack of lunatics in charge.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 8, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Opa2:

I agree that (most) Democrats do not deserve to govern and should be booted from office.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

@ddawd,

I have my dark moments, too. It's really hard not to be pessimistic when we see corporate interests dominating every part of our lives. I see it too.

When I am in my darkest moods, I look at the numbers and try to see if it validates my mood. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

the republicans will be known as "the party of NO,"

Posted by: Opa2 | March 8, 2010 11:37 AM

much better to be party of no than party of socialism.

Posted by: doof | March 8, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

President who is an incredible salesman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yeah right. Everytime he opens his mouth, whatever he is selling goes into the tank.

all we need is a few more speeches and health care will finally be dead beyond repair.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) says there won't be a vote on Obamacare by this latest deadline "Within the next couple of weeks we're going to have a specific proposal and start counting votes to see whether or not those proposals could pass," he told CBS' "Face the Nation".

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"Are you aware that the negatives on the HCR polls has swung from about -17 to half: -8 in the last 2 weeks. And this is per Rasmussen that Republicans trust so much! Right now, there is momentum in changing public opinion about the issue. Nothing like facing the possibility of killing the bill to get people to reconsider, eh.

Posted by: 12BarBlues "

Heh, you are determined to drive the cynicism away, aren't you? The saving grace is that we've got a President who is an incredible salesman who can overshadow all the insurance company efforts. This is exactly what happened with the stimulus. Republicans were trying to kill it and were almost successful until Obama got involved. Then public opinion got turned around and it passed. Unfortunately, Obama didn't get involved before Republicans had a chance to really weaken the thing. But the same thing is happening with this bill. When Obama stood on the sidelines, Republicans controlled the message and they were winning the debate. Now Obama has been involved for a few weeks and public opinion is rapidly changing in their favor. Of course, Republicans managed to weaken the bill quite a bit with the public option being one of the most prominent casualties. However, I do think this is a good bill that will accomplish a lot of the goals we wanted to accomplish.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Only self serving Democrats can stop health care reform now. This bill now is a democratic responsibility and if it fails the republicans will be known as "the party of NO," we democrats will be known as "the party that WON'T. The same happened in'94 when democrats lead on by Sam Nunn stopped health care reform. If it happens again we democrats do not deserve to govern and should be booted from office.

Posted by: Opa2 | March 8, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

@ddawd,

I am under the impression is that the reason the polls are not more favorable is because of liberal opposition which is added to conservative opposition. If you look into the internals of the polls that ask the question, you find up to 15 points of the negatives are liberals who wanted more.

Go to pollster.com or the RealClearPolitics and just click on the last 5-10 polls and you will see.

Clearly, lobbying has influenced polls. But had the liberals gone along, polls would have been over 50% for sure. Would that have been enough? Don't know but it would have helped the optics of the situation.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

sam38:

Let me know if you want to discuss the issues further.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

You and the insurance companies win. Kudos.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

12bb, I am just in a snarky and cynical mood (and will probably be so until late spring) and your post just seemed naive. Look, the ONLY reason the reform effort isn't more popular is due to the lobbying efforts by the industry. You think it has a damn thing to do with the health care situation in the country or the proposed solutions? Of course not. Lobbying drives the Republican viewpoint and then Republicans go and scream about death panels or socialism or some other dumb sh*t. That's not going to change. Even if there is a bubble that bursts, that still isn't going to lead to change. I mean, look at banking. We've just had one of the worst collapses in history and Republicans are STILL resistant to any kind of regulation or reform. I don't think the popularity of reform will ever be higher than it is today, but the senators repping about a third of the country are still blocking it. And they are still screaming socialism.

Look, with such a small percentage of the body able to block meaningful legislation, it just spells disaster for the country. 40% of the Senate representing one third of the country are willing to damage the country for political gain (and don't start with the "both parties do it" bullsh*t. Dems didn't filibuster NEARLY as much) And you don't think Republicans are willing to drive the country off a cliff? Look what is happening in California. The minority party is perfectly content to let the state go up in flames for political gain.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I think that the criticism was that Obama issued such a threat in the first place (thank GOD it is not working ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

[IRONY ALERT]

sam38 thinks the health insurance companies are being controlled by the White House.

Everyone else is seeing a blizzard of ads by the insurance industry tearing down the HCR.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

sam38:

Can you imagine the outrage if GWB had said the same thing to George Soros and Michael Moore?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

A great man once said:

This is the issue of this election, Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American Revolution and confess that an intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.

Posted by: drivl | March 8, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

@ddawd,

On the same subject, the White House seems to be targeting public opinion right now to pass HCR. The latest Gallup poll shows that the public trusts the President over Congress (by 17 points over Republicans) and trusts big pharma and ins. companies the least (around 30%).

Hopefully swinging public opinion will do the trick.

Are you aware that the negatives on the HCR polls has swung from about -17 to half: -8 in the last 2 weeks. And this is per Rasmussen that Republicans trust so much! Right now, there is momentum in changing public opinion about the issue. Nothing like facing the possibility of killing the bill to get people to reconsider, eh.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"Someone tell me whether any powerful lobby is launching counter-ads in these swing districts. Ads that again show precarious the state of health care is for the insured, and how the industry chokehold permits 39% increases in premiums in one year, as the young and healthy choose not to be insured."

No one has the big bucks to pay for it -- who would? Corporations control politics in this country -- control politics and the dissemination of the industry propaganda that poor suckers eat with a shovel.

Look at the pathetic dupes who are against this bill -- suckered into beleiving that regulation to protect consumers from the greed, swindle, fraud and theft perpetrated by the insurance companies have something do with 'government takeover'.

All you have to do is repeat to them over and over the right focus-groupped hot button words and they will do their pavlovian best to do exactly as you want.

We will not only not get health care, we will only see this country sink further and further in their world status -- because Americans have gotten too stupid, too mesmerized by their daily propaganda diet to act in their own self-interest.

Posted by: drindl | March 8, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

As I recall the insurance companies were told by Obama to shut up and if they mounted any opposition to the bill the government would add provisions that would destroy them. Nice. I'd like to see any other President get away with a gag order like that but apparently it has worked well for Obama.

Posted by: sam38 | March 8, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

You can read more about the next Governor of Iowa here (I wonder if Sarah Palin has endorsed him yet):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/07/AR2010030701528.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

valkayec:

I know that Sandy Greiner is President of the Board (Terry Branstad is also on the Board). Regardless, after the U.S. Supreme Court case Citizens United, even "big insurance" companies have free speech rights. What's next, shutting down my individual contributions to groups trying to stop Obamacare?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

MR. PRESIDENT, CONGRESS: "First, Do No Harm."

How can Americans trust their government do the right thing -- when a multi-agency federal-local "program" is secretly doing THIS?

HOMELAND-RUN CELL TOWER MICROWAVE WEAPON SYSTEM ATTACKS, TORTURES, IMPAIRS, 'SLOW-KILLS' TARGETED AMERICANS: VETERAN JOURNALIST

• Why so many cell towers saturate the American landscape -- urban and rural.

• Weapon system patents reveal silent, powerful attack system in YOUR backyard.

• American human rights atrocities, ideological purge, under the cover of national security.

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves

OR: poynter.org/subject.asp?id=2 (see articles list)

NOW IT'S OBAMA'S GESTAPO USA. WHEN WILL TEAM OBAMA ACT?

• Reporter exposing gov't cell tower microwave torture held hostage to community stalking, police-protected, GPS-equipped vigilante squads that burglarize, vandalize and terrorize -- officially-enabled lawlessness that afflicts many thousands of other unconstitutionally targeted and persecuted Americans.

BUCKS COUNTY, PA- BASED MAGLOCLEN FUSION CENTER: "GROUND ZERO OF A MID-ATLANTIC STATES AMERICAN GESTAPO."

** WHY WON'T THE FBI OPEN A DOJ / CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION PROBE -- AS REPEATEDLY REQUESTED? **

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR NowPublic.com/scrivener (see "stories" list)

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 8, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

If the bill passes, you will face fines or jail time if you do not buy health insurance--not just any health insurance, but health insurance that fits the exact specifications Congress put in the bill. You cannot buy an insurance policy with a million-dollar lifetime limit or a 10 million dollar lifetime limit. You have to buy a policy with an UNLIMITED lifetime limit. You know that is going to cost you more. And don't overlook the other things Congress is sneaking into this bill--including a government takeover of all student loans. Universities oppose this because the government doesn't do a good job of vetting the candidates and government customer service is awful. Let's not forget the special backroom deals in there for Florida and Louisiana and the Cornhusker kickback. Congress has learned that all they have to do is say "health care is broken" and the American public will allow them to pass anything they want--including this bill which is guaranteed to make health care costs rise faster than if Congress did nothing at all. I hope they don't get away with it, but I fear they will. The reason this should be a state-level issue, not a federal level experiment is because we never get to vote Pelosi or Reid or most members of Congress out of office but we can vote out our own state politicians.

Posted by: sam38 | March 8, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"If 2) is correct, within a very few years the pain will be so high that the public will be tearing down the walls of Congress to "do something". With public support, I think reform will pass (that would be enough for it to pass today). "

haha

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2010 10:46 AM
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I'm assuming you mean that had the public polled as say 60% for HCR, it still would not have passed. I hope you are wrong, but you might be right. If you are right, we are totally bought and sold to corporate interests. However, even corporate interests cannot prosper as they lose customers due to soaring prices. I think there is a very good chance that the whole health insurance industry is on the edge of imploding. Like the banking industry, when you have sold every product to every possible buyer and now there are no new customers, your industry is going to collapse.

Don't think I am unsympathetic to the uninsured/underinsured. I am uninsured so I know firsthand the terror of being uninsured.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Who is behind the American Future Fund? Who's funding it? What are their names? Are the backers big insurance? Or just a bunch of ordinary people? Anyone know?

I have a real problem with groups who hide behind innocuous sounding names. For all the public knows, these groups could be funded by big insurance and others who stand to make a bundle by defeating health reform.

Posted by: valkayec | March 8, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"Congratulations President Bush. Yesterday Iraqis voted and showed the new democracy is working."


I thank my children every day for giving us this gift.

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Posted by: bsimon1 | March 8, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

"If 2) is correct, within a very few years the pain will be so high that the public will be tearing down the walls of Congress to "do something". With public support, I think reform will pass (that would be enough for it to pass today). "

haha

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Someone tell me whether any powerful lobby is launching counter-ads in these swing districts. Ads that again show precarious the state of health care is for the insured, and how the industry chokehold permits 39% increases in premiums in one year, as the young and healthy choose not to be insured. I could use some cheer.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 8, 2010 7:39 AM---------------------------------------
One of two possibilities exist: 1) the insurance industry/Republicans are right--we have the best healthcare system in the world and little to nothing needs to be done or 2) the Democrats are right and the entire system is on the edge of imploding under the pressure of astronomical premium increases and bankrupting of the federal government in its attempt to pay 50% of the nation's healthcare bill.

If 1) is correct, everything will be fine.

If 2) is correct, within a very few years the pain will be so high that the public will be tearing down the walls of Congress to "do something". With public support, I think reform will pass (that would be enough for it to pass today).

This is what I use as cheer when I think of the possibility of HCR not being passed.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | March 8, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

For liberals, having to listen to your constituents is very disturbing.

Don't worry. Come November, you won't have constituents any more.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 8, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Mark, I think you might have gotten insurance and pharmacy mixed up. I know I do that sometimes. They are both generally reviled, so I tend to lump them together. But pharmacy has been supporting it while I think it was actually insurance reps who were providing instructions to the town hall screamers as to how to disrupt these meetings.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations President Bush. Yesterday Iraqis voted and showed the new democracy is working.

Let us not forget how the dems tried to stop this. Reid, Obama and Biden should hide their faces in shame.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 8, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

"a nurse, asked me what I was doing out of bed"

You know you did the right thing. Had you peeed the bed, you would have no memory of that hospitalization and you'd probably have lost a few IQ points. In those days, they did not measure blood O2 saturation and drug comas tend to reduce the urge to breathe, along with everything else.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 8, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Massa claims on radio today that he was pushed out by Nancy so she could pass health care.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 8, 2010 9:39 AM

heard that he may back out of his resignation to get even with pelosi and hoyer.
massa said “I’m not going to be a Congressman as of 5 o’clock [Monday] afternoon. The only way to stop that is for me to rescind my resignation. That’s the only way to stop it. And the only way that’s going to happen is if this becomes a national story.”

Posted by: doof | March 8, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

The AAF bills itself (figuratively and literally) as the protector of Free Market ideals. So there you have it. Now we know the American health care system is an example of the free market and its free market ideals need protection.

Case closed. If you don't like it, don't get sick and pay whatever bills they send you (sick or not, we are all paying).

The free market seems paradoxical, but if you reread Job and Ecclesiastes, you'll understand.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 8, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Massa claims on radio today that he was pushed out by Nancy so she could pass health care.

Present ident Capone did not comment.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 8, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

doof:

I can hope ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Shrink, I remember my stay in Newport Naval Hospital, in the orthopaedic ward, in 1968. One night, while under orders not to try to leave my bed, I yelled "bedpan", as instructed. A giant Marine Sgt. across the ward from said "PIPE DOWN, OC". I crawled to the head, climbed the urinal, pissed, and crawled back to the bed. As I reached the bed, Commander J., a nurse, asked me what I was doing out of bed. I told her, respectfully as I could from the floor, I had crawled to the head. She helped me back onto the bed and called the orderly. She told him I had violated the order not to leave my bed. She told him to give me a shot to put me out. I slept 17 hours.

I know from my experience a sure way to lower health care costs. Ward care, no electronics, orderlies with sleeping drugs. Nurse officers in complete charge. That'll do it.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 8, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Present ident Barry seems to have become opposite man.

Everything he does is just the wrong thing.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 8, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully, the pro-life Dems stick with Stupak.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 9:06 AM

don't be a fool. a pro-life democrat is a walking lie. not possible to be a democrat and pro life. any one of these idiots can be bought. still, health care won't pass. thank obama for the new republican majority in november.

Posted by: doof | March 8, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I doubt that the AFF ads will have any meaningful effect. The Right will try to crucify these Reps for that (D) by their name, not any particular vote. This month is time to find out if the Dems have any, urrrm, stones.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 8, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"The health care campaign begins (again)..."

while jobs continue to be lost. obama has got to be the dumbest president that ever existed. he is a failed experiment. can't wait for november. then 2012.

Posted by: doof | March 8, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Ddawd, you may be right. Shrink would know. My wife reminded me that the new "Harry and Louise" ads FOR HCR were sponsored by the drug industry, not the insurance industry. I thought the insurers expressed support early on.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 8, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

The Dems already said they won't meet this March 18 deadline. Hopefully, the pro-life Dems stick with Stupak.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 8, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Seems like we have been down this road before. What part of no does the President not understand? Our family is totally against this proposed health care takeover plan of the day. We are sick of this effort when Obama and his cronies know the American people do not what this horrific invasive expensive "not" cost reform bill. This is pathetic they will not stop this.
And what is the student loan bill that puts loans under government control taking loan profits away from companies doing being pushed along with dumb health care bill? There is just no end to the damage these leftist Democrats can do. These are truly shameless men that need to be sent packing in November and in 2012. Our family is ready to educate ourselves better about who we should vote for, getting out the vote of our loved ones and neighbors, supporting those candidates that tell the truth about what they believe and stand for, and putting our money where our mouth and hearts are. We are ready to vote these shameful men and women out to go home and find those allusive phony jobs that Stimulus I provided.

Posted by: greatgran1 | March 8, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Well if they don't keep jacking up the cost of 'health care', how will they get the money that allows them to keep jacking up the cost of 'health care'?

Besides, once the Supreme Court said corporate political money is protected speech, its not like there is a whole lot that can be done about this. Last, Republicans need a way to get money too, Michael Steele and his PowerPoint crew are just not gittin'er done.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 8, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

When was the insurance industry in favor of HCR? I don't remember this ever being the case. The AMA actually started in opposition of the bill, but endorsed it in the summer (at least the House version). I think it had mainly to do with the dropping of the public option, though I'm not sure.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 8, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

..."show how precarious..."

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 8, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

When the HCR push began, the AMA and the insurers were on board, it seemed. That was the difference that was going to push this effort rather than block it. "Harry and Louise" were seen to support it. Historians will have to parse when and why the insurance industry pulled the plug and began using its incredible machinery to kill this again. No one can stand up to them, in a financial sense, or, ultimately, in a political sense. With no counterforce on the air, insurance industry fronts like "AFF" can and probably will win the day.

See this for what it is, IMO: a precursor of the era triggered by "Citizens United". The USA will not be better run as the captive of the insurance industry.

Someone tell me whether any powerful lobby is launching counter-ads in these swing districts. Ads that again show precarious the state of health care is for the insured, and how the industry chokehold permits 39% increases in premiums in one year, as the young and healthy choose not to be insured. I could use some cheer.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 8, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

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