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Tea party favorite Sharron Angle looks poised to win in Nevada

1. The tea party movement appears on its way to scoring its second victory in a Republican Senate primary in as many months with former state Assemblywoman Sharron Angle emerging as the clear frontrunner in Nevada, according to a new poll.

Angle took 32 percent to 24 percent for former state party chairwoman Sue Lowden and 23 percent for businessman Danny Tarkanian in the Mason-Dixon poll conducted for the Las Vegas Review Journal.

There remains significant uncertainty in the race, however, as the number of undecided voters in the poll is at 13 percent -- up from eight percent in a Mason-Dixon survey conducted last week.

Many of those new undecideds look likely to be supporters of Lowden, the former front-runner whose campaign has unraveled over the past several weeks thanks to several unforced errors of her own as well as a barrage of attacks from allies of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D).

Lowden campaign manager Robert Uithoven told reporters on a conference call yesterday that the campaign's internal polling shows a lower number of undecideds than the Mason-Dixon poll. If voters are having second thoughts, Uithoven said, it's because they're still shopping for the candidate that will be strongest against Reid in November. Uithoven said that Lowden with her "proven ability to raise national money" and attract Democrats and independent voters is the candidate best-positioned to win against Reid.

But the Mason-Dixon poll shows both Lowden and Angle tied with Reid in a general election match-up. Tarkanian would win 46 percent to 39 percent -- a fact that his campaign touted relentlessly in an attempt to make the electability argument (and take attention away from the primary numbers -- while Angle would win 44 percent to 41 percent (essentially a tie given the poll's four percent margin of error). Lowden would lose 42 percent to 41 percent.

Early voting began in the state on May 22 and roughly three in ten Republican primary voters have already cast their ballots.

If Angle goes on to win tomorrow, she will join Kentucky ophthalmologist Rand Paul, who surged to a primary win last month in the Bluegrass State, as a candidate for and of the tea party movement. Unlike Paul, however, Angle has received considerable support from third party groups -- led by the Club for Growth -- that have helped her rise from an also-ran to frontrunner.

An Angle win would be touted by Reid's campaign team as a huge win for the Nevada Democrat but, as we have noted, he continues to be mired in the low 40s in general election matchups -- a major problem for a well-known incumbent.

2. Former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina (R) has opened up a wide lead over her two rivals for the June 8 Republican Senate nomination, according to a new poll released over the weekend.

Fiorina took 37 percent among likely Republican voters in the Field poll while former Rep. Tom Campbell (R) took 22 percent and Assemblyman Chuck DeVore (R) 19 percent.

In the previous Field poll, conducted in March, Fiorina was trailing Campbell, 28 percent to 22 percent with DeVore in third with nine percent.

Fiorina, who has been endorsed by former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, leads her competitors among those who identify strongly with the tea party movement; 38 percent of those surveyed said they "identify a lot" with the movement, and 42 percent of those voters preferred Fiorina.

As in the Nevada Senate race, a sizable chunk of the Republican primary electorate -- 20 percent in the latest poll -- remains undecided. But Fiorina's rivals lack the resources that would be key to making up that ground.

In a sign of her campaign's confidence, Fiorina has taken to targeting Sen. Barbara Boxer (D) directly in her latest TV ad, which mocks the three-term senator's concern about global warming as Boxer being "worried about the weather."

3. Florida Gov. Charlie Crist (I) may have changed his party affiliation for the Senate race this fall but his ties to indicted former state GOP Chairman Jim Greer continue to haunt him.

Greer's attorney said in an interview this weekend that Crist approved the fundraising arrangement between the Republican Party of Florida and a company Greer allegedly used to skim more than $125,000 from the state party.

Crist was quick to deny any knowledge of the deal. He said on CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday morning that the cooperation alleged by Greer's attorney, Damon Chase, is "absolutely untrue." He added: "Sometimes desperate people say desperate things, and it's very sad," Crist said of his one-time political ally, Greer.

Chase also told local reporters that Sen. George LeMieux (R-Fla.) knew about the arrangement. LeMieux, who is Crist's former chief of staff, was appointed to his post by Crist last year. While he is not running this year, the drama could hurt any designs he has on running against Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) in 2012. A LeMieux spokesman called Greer's allegations "frivolous".

LeMieux has distanced himself from Crist after his party switch and some of the more moderate positions the governor has taken recently. The two may need to come together once more to fend off some very serious allegations, though.

Already, former state House Speaker Marco Rubio (R) is hitting Crist on his ties to Greer in a web video.

4. Democrats caught a break in one of their top-targeted races on Sunday as Dr. Maureen Reed dropped her candidacy, clearing the way for state Sen. Tarryl Clark to turn her attention to conservative Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann (R).

"During the past few days, I have come to the conclusion that a prolonged primary fight only assists Michele Bachmann," Reed said Sunday. "I feel that it is time for the DFL to unify behind one candidate in this race."

Reed, a former Independence Party candidate for lieutenant governor, had raised a solid amount of money for the race but trailed Clark in cash and lost out on the state Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party endorsement earlier this year.

Clark was favored to win the primary, but Bachmann had already banked $1.5 million thanks in large part to her national profile as a conservative icon -- and a clear field for Clark should improve Democrats chance of winning the suburban Twin Cities district.

Bachmann ran into trouble late in her 2008 race thanks to comments made on "Hardball" that suggested President Obama was anti-American, and won with less than 50 percent of the vote. Independence Party candidate Bob Anderson took 10 percent of the vote and has filed to run again. Still, Democrats are confident that Clark won't cede as much of that vote as 2008 nominee Elwyn Tinklenberg -- great name! -- did.

5. Former Fix colleague John Mercurio, a great political reporter and even better person, is leaving journalism to take a gig at public relations giant Burson Marsteller.

"John's political expertise and judgment will add even more depth to our newsroom," said executive vice president Josh Gottheimer.

Mercurio heads to Burson-Marsteller following a stint as executive editor of the Hotline, National Journal's political tip sheet. He also did stints as political editor at CNN and campaign reporter at Roll Call newspaper where the Fix had the pleasure of both sitting next to him and learning the trade.

Best of luck, John!

With Felicia Sonmez and Aaron Blake

By Chris Cillizza  |  June 7, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
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Did you call out Helen Thomas?

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Israel isn't a race. Please at least make a token effort to keep up.

And Thomas knows whereof she speaks. Scope this, CHUMP.

http://www.eutimes.net/2009/11/book-about-killing-gentile-children-becomes-bestseller-in-israel/

Posted by: Noacoler | June 8, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

2) I was banned in every instance for calling out racists. Significantly, nobody has ever been banned fir expressing racism.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 11:06 PM
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Did you call out Helen Thomas?

Posted by: Brigade | June 8, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The Reid machine has spent over $10 million dollars in the primary.

Pacs that are supporting Reid and run by his old employees have spent over $500,000 attacking Sue Lowden 24/7 and they will be attacking her right up to election day.

Do not allow Reid to pick the GOP candidate. A vote for Angle is a vote for Reid.

Posted by: LoveWaPo | June 8, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Oh, 37th, Fairlington Blade gives a pretty good run-down on the regulars here. No, I do not think Brigade is another KofZ sign-in.

Brigade -- one thing Fairlington didn't tell you was that at one point, when Kofz was spending a lot of time here ridiculing drindl, it was found that kofz (who has bragged a lot about his fashion model wife and his life as a rich man) had a hobby page on a pathetic model site -- one of those pages where attractive young women hook-up with male, pay-as-you-go hobby photographers of a certain age. The link was sad, sordid, funny and all too human.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 8, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Poor lonely Ped

Posted by: Moonbat | June 8, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Hilarious how you are keeping track of everyone

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he isn't "keeping track," it's called "memory" and you wouldn't understand because your brain is too damaged from abusing stimulants for do long.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 8, 2010 2:54 AM | Report abuse

Washington Post article today says that BP had a history of accidents, falsified safety reports, and run-down equipment.


So much so that the EPA was considering taking away BP's rights to federal contracts.


So if Obama did a year-long review of offshore drilling, WHY DIDN'T OBAMA ADDRESS ANY OF THESE PROBLEMS.


Obama took almost a million dollars from BP.


Expanded Offshore Drilling WAS OBAMA'S POLICY - he can't blame Bush for his own policy, right ?


I know he is trying.


BUT IT IS OBAMA'S POLICY.


period.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 8, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Noa


You are a racist, so stop complaining.

Now go to Vietnam -

You will be hanging upside down in a pit in no time.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 7, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

A few corrections.

1) 37th spams the board every time he appears and that's all he does.

2) I was banned in every instance for calling out racists. Significantly, nobody has ever been banned fir expressing racism.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Fairlington


I am the same person as before - and I left last year because I wanted to give Obama time to gloat - and then I decided to come back when I had some material to work with.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 7, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Fairlington


I will clue you into one thing: Dorchester and Congress is the corner in Boston where the original Tea Party took place.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 7, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Fairlington


You must have some more wild theories about the various posters on here - and some more speculation about who I am -

Hilarious how you are keeping track of everyone.

I always thought of the Obama people, all posting in one room on different computers - but tracking all the other posters on some blackboard

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Posted by: 37thand0street | June 7, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough, Brigade. Here's the rundown.

Jake Dort, a retired attorney living in San Diego, used to post here as JakeD and JakeD2. [He's posted his name on the blog in the past, so I don't think I'm doing any outing.] He was a hard core birther, which led to his first ban. Spamming the blog as an Aprils Fool joke led to the ban of JakeD2. JakeD3 was started as a joke by someone, riffing off the claim that Jake would register another handle as soon as his previous one was banned. I think someone uses it to post from work as I never see JakeD3 posting in the evenings.

ChrisFox8 started posting a year or so ago. Likes to get into it and holds searing views of conservatives. During a rather nasty back and forth, he and the original King_of_Zouk were banned. He posted briefly as Cheopys and settled on the handle GoldandTanzanite. For reasons I don't recall, G&T was banned after another altercation and he returned as Noacoler.

King_of_Zouk has been a longtime poster on the blog. Characterized by information copied from conservative blogs (used to be unattributed, but has reformed somewhat), offhand insults to libs, and rather personal needling of some of the liberal commenters. Shows some stalker tendencies (looked up the CV of drindl and amuses himself by ridiculing her). Posts or posted under a variety of handles, usually several at a time. This mainly happened after the original KoZ was banned. Moonbat and drivl were insults directed at the poster drindl.

37th&O is an interesting case. This is the street address of an entrance to Georgetown University, leading some to conclude this was a GU student. The original 37th posted leading up to the 2008 election and disappeared. There's a searing post by Malis that some occasionally reference. The new 37th appeared in the last year. The handle is different (one used a zero, the other an "Oh") and the new 37th has spammed the comments section at times--by which I define taking up to half of the comments section via liberal use of carriage returns. The original 37th had posts that generally started with three lines with a single period. A warning of sorts.

You know the usuals on the left. Drindl, BroadwayJoe, drindl, Margaretmyers, DDAWD, bsimon. Margaret and I happen to be parents of autistic children (different families, different states) and so used to frequent a parenting blog. The Fix comments section is akin to a daily Thanksgiving reunion of an unruly family.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 7, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I guess I'll just have to assume you all know what you're talking about. I've only known one 37thandO; I've never known (for certain) that Noacoler was posting under different monikers and, even now, I don't recognize the ones you attribute to him; the only Jake I remember is Jake in 3D.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

BB, sliowa claims to be a pro-life liberal.

Posted by: MoreAndBetterPolls | June 7, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

How could I forget? Snobama. That was the other identity. Well, I've a bit of deferred work to do (bowling league stats, deferred taxes), so it's time to work.

Cheers to all. And, Brigade, ease up on the insults a bit and I'm happy to engage.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 7, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

The post you reference was in response to someone ranting about "zouk", a moniker which no one here uses. If you can't stand to see your fellow libs called to task when they go stupid on us, then bid adieu and leave the exchanges to those who actually have something to offer.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

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One of the blog commenters used to post under the name King_of_Zouk. Once banned, the individual took on a variety of names. Comrade_Zero (since banned). Drivl. Moonbat. Bumblingberry. I think there are a few more, at least one of which has merited a ban. The person doesn't bother disguising his identity since he uses the exact same insults (Ped, Drivl, Stooges, etc.) Either you are an idiot or being deliberately obtuse. I'll be charitable and assume the latter.

ChrisFox8, GoldandTanzanite, Noacoler are all the same individual. JakeD and JakeD2 are the same person (though not JakeD3). 37thandOStreet also posted as CongressandDorchester (though the current 37th is NOT the same person). You're aware of all this, so I'll be charitable and assume you're being deliberately obtuse.

The main point being that the content of most of your posts is flinging insults at others. As such, you're uninteresting and thus not worthy of engaging. Other conservatives on the blog (sliowa1, USMC_Mike, cannula) are.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 7, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, go back and read my post on Thomas. Like ten times or however many it takes for you to understand what I'm saying.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 7, 2010 9:05 PM
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Long thread. It would be more helpful if you identify the post in question. You mean the one which asks if Thomas is finished? Or the one about Elton John? Not sure.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, go back and read my post on Thomas. Like ten times or however many it takes for you to understand what I'm saying.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 7, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Thomas might have said it better, ir bit [SIC] said it at all, but what she said isn't actually so awful.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 2:34 PM
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No, it was awful.

Please note that she did not invite Jews to return to Syria, Yemen, North Africa, or Iraq. The children of Asian and African Jews [who were expelled under pain of death] are younger and more vocal and a larger Israeli element than the old and dying out generation of central European Jews.

BTW, their predominance coupled with Russian emigres who have no appreciation for civil liberties at all is what makes the problem intractable on the Israeli side, compared with the time when Eurocentric Jews ran the place.

The still widely held Arab view that Israel should be destroyed is the intractable problem on the Arab side.

Noacoler, you may have a solution to offer other than destruction of Israel - if you do, that would be a good thing. Thomas did not. That was a bad thing.

Posted by: MoreAndBetterPolls | June 7, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

uh, his very first post as Brigade was an attack on drindl, in obvious zoukesque terms.

He never had it to lose.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 8:45 PM
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Here you are BB, the predictable Noacoler reach around.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

You're losing it Brigade. 1:47 p.m. Sadly, your posts seem to largely have the point of insulting others, so I'll say have a good life and bid adieu to you.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 7, 2010 8:23 PM
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The post you reference was in response to someone ranting about "zouk", a moniker which no one here uses. If you can't stand to see your fellow libs called to task when they go stupid on us, then bid adieu and leave the exchanges to those who actually have something to offer.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

You're losing it Brigade. 1:47 p.m. Sadly, your posts seem to largely have the point of insulting others, so I'll say have a good life and bid adieu to you.

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uh, his very first post as Brigade was an attack on drindl, in obvious zoukesque terms.

He never had it to lose.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

For non-comic geeks around here, Mulitplex was a villain in the DC universe who was one of Firestorm's (the Nuclear Man) arch enemies. It was a fairly silly comic for awhile, but took a darker and more political flavor near the end of its run.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 7, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

You're losing it Brigade. 1:47 p.m. Sadly, your posts seem to largely have the point of insulting others, so I'll say have a good life and bid adieu to you.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 7, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I know there are many buffoons who post here; if I could just convince myself that they are all as hopelessly ignorant and delusional as you and the other druggies who think all conservatives in the world are really just one person with multiple monikers, then maybe I would give them up as lost causes.

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when you're all interchangeable as piston rods, who cares?

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 8:16 PM
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But that's just it, Noacoler---or should I call you Drindl or leichtman1 or buttworm---I'm holding out hope that all libs are NOT 'interchangeable as piston rods.' That's why I care.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

That is exactly what you were doing when you co-signed and kissed-up to Noacoler's predictably anti-Israel comments. Read the posts!

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 8:12 PM
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What? Now you're going to tell me what I meant. Now you're the expert on what I mean? Consistently, all afternoon, I said she has to go, what she said was unacceptable. If you think Noa and I are "kissing up", well you'll just have to think it.

Noa is kinda cute. If there was anyone I would kiss up to, it might just be Noacoler. But he's taken, he tells us. Too bad.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

# of voters needed to switch to the Right:

10,000,000

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 8:03 PM
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There are many more than 10,000,000, but we are all the same person and we will vote many more than 10,000,000 times.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I know there are many buffoons who post here; if I could just convince myself that they are all as hopelessly ignorant and delusional as you and the other druggies who think all conservatives in the world are really just one person with multiple monikers, then maybe I would give them up as lost causes.

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when you're all interchangeable as piston rods, who cares?

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse


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noacoler wrote: Helen Thomas committed the unpardonable heresy of being critical of Israel.
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You're right. No matter what is said privately, public criticism of Israel is considered near treason. We can call Obama the anti-Christ, but no one can criticize Israel, or its policies. I have heard that Israelis are far more critical of themselves, than Americans are.


I think Helen Thomas knew that, knew what she was saying, said it purposely, and just wanted to get the last whack in before she retired. She never struck me as confused or ill-informed. She's always been outspoken.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 7:35 PM
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You mean some Israelis think Jews should all go back to Poland and Germany? Her comments are what you call public criticism of Israel? Since when was Poland or Germany the ancestral home of Jews? How about an American president who gives the Palestinians 24 hours to get out of Palestine? Or else! Now that's change we could believe in!

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 7:48 PM
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What the hell is your point? Do you just like to argue for argument's sake. I'm not defending Helen Thomas or her comments. God, you're like a rabid dog, snapping at everybody within reach.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 7:52 PM

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Do you ever actually read what you're typing? Noacoler said Thomas was in trouble because she criticized Israel; you co-signed the story when you typed "You're right" and continued with some limp diatribe about how it is considered near treason to criticize Israel or its policies in public---and how many Israelis are more critical of themselves than are Americans (presumably Americans like Thomas and Noacoler). You then admitted that you did not consider Thomas to be confused or ill-informed.

And then you ask me what the hell MY POINT is and tell me you're not defending Thomas or her comments. That is exactly what you were doing when you co-signed and kissed-up to Noacoler's predictably anti-Israel comments. Read the posts!

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

# of conservatives on this blog:

1 37th
1 zouk et al
1 brigade (disputed)
1 cannula (disputed)
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4 (2 disputed)

# of voters needed to switch to the Right:

10,000,000

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

We all know what he is talking about. Well, you don't, but everyone else does.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 7:43 PM
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Since he hasn't said what he's talking about, I must assume you and "everyone else" suffers from the same strange malady---I mean besides being mentally challenged.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Give it up, Brigzouk, everyone has your number and nobody reads your junk anymore. Hurry up and shoot your hate-wad and go away.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 7:45 PM
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I know there are many buffoons who post here; if I could just convince myself that they are all as hopelessly ignorant and delusional as you and the other druggies who think all conservatives in the world are really just one person with multiple monikers, then maybe I would give them up as lost causes.

But I'd like to be around at least until November, when you find out how many more times Zouk/moonbat/37/bumblinberry/etc vote than you poor souls.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

You mean some Israelis think Jews should all go back to Poland and Germany? Her comments are what you call public criticism of Israel? Since when was Poland or Germany the ancestral home of Jews? How about an American president who gives the Palestinians 24 hours to get out of Palestine? Or else! Now that's change we could believe in!

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 7:48 PM
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What the hell is your point? Do you just like to argue for argument's sake. I'm not defending Helen Thomas or her comments. God, you're like a rabid dog, snapping at everybody within reach.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

@noa,

Don't you kind of like Firestorm. I do. Bringing destruction down on idiots...Firestorm. Brooks no nonsense...Firestorm. Incredibly handsome, strong and brave...Firestorm.

Think it has possibilities?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

12barblues wrote,
"You're right. No matter what is said privately, public criticism of Israel is considered near treason. We can call Obama the anti-Christ, but no one can criticize Israel, or its policies. I have heard that Israelis are far more critical of themselves, than Americans are."

You mean some Israelis think Jews should all go back to Poland and Germany? Her comments are what you call public criticism of Israel? Since when was Poland or Germany the ancestral home of Jews? How about an American president who gives the Palestinians 24 hours to get out of Palestine? Or else! Now that's change we could believe in!

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Give it up, Brigzouk, everyone has your number and nobody reads your junk anymore. Hurry up and shoot your hate-wad and go away.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

h reference to Brigade's comment, I propose that Zouk pick Legion as his next nom de electron. That or Multiplex. Then Noacoler can pick Firestorm as his nemesis.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 7, 2010 6:25 PM
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I have no idea what comment you're talking about. I doubt anyone else does either. But I guess that's par for the course.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 7:30 PM
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We all know what he is talking about. Well, you don't, but everyone else does.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Helen Thomas committed the unpardonable heresy of being critical of Israel. She may as well have taken a dive into an array of chainsaws. Israel, the land of fragrant feces, can brook no criticism.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 7:21 PM
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LOL. Saying that all Jews should go back to Poland and Germany is just being critical of Israel? You'll recall that Noacoler claims to have grown up in the Jim Crow South; I suppose Thomas's sort of "nuance" was quite common in political discourse around the Noacoler house.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

We don't need no stinkin' elevators. We don't need no stinkin' wheelchair bums. We don't need no stinkin' civil rights BS. What we need here is sweet-smellin' Kentucky tabacca.

Signed...The Right

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

I do agree that Thomas crossed the line, but I am trying to figure out where this so-called space is for criticism.

I suppose the issue is the same as it is with any issue. The punditry is a bunch of fu cking thoughtless children.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 7, 2010 6:30 PM
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I imagine if Wolf Blitzer said all blacks should get their butts back to Africa, that would probably cross a line, and he'd be in the same boat as Thomas.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

noacoler wrote: Helen Thomas committed the unpardonable heresy of being critical of Israel.
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You're right. No matter what is said privately, public criticism of Israel is considered near treason. We can call Obama the anti-Christ, but no one can criticize Israel, or its policies. I have heard that Israelis are far more critical of themselves, than Americans are.

I think Helen Thomas knew that, knew what she was saying, said it purposely, and just wanted to get the last whack in before she retired. She never struck me as confused or ill-informed. She's always been outspoken.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Ogga Bugga Killemall
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Bwahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But he/she/it will be the Great White Hope. Right? Right?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 6:56 PM
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Don't who it is, but I'm betting if there were an election today, he/she would make short work of the lightweight in the White Houser.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

With reference to Brigade's comment, I propose that Zouk pick Legion as his next nom de electron. That or Multiplex. Then Noacoler can pick Firestorm as his nemesis.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 7, 2010 6:25 PM
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I have no idea what comment you're talking about. I doubt anyone else does either. But I guess that's par for the course.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

12: they don't say, but from what I read the Gibbs comments at the WH daily briefing precipitated the Thomas "resignation."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 7:12 PM
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I can't get exercised about this. She said something extremely inflammatory. You have to get off the stage after that. I suppose Gibbs can't just say nothing to her empty chair. Ah well, it's over.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe wrote,
"It appears most of the comments on HuffPo about the Thomas matter are...pro Thomas."

I hope you're not going to tell us that surpises you. The same leftie loons who once favored the old Jim Crow Dems have traded in anti-black bigotry for anti-Jewish bigotry. Black or Jewish, I sure wouldn't want a lib watching my back. Many of them wouldn't defend their own country if push came to shove.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Kentucky tabacca.

Signed...The Right

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 6:01 PM
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The Right? Has the chosen one finally given up smoking? I guess Republicans were in control of all those old Southern states when tobacco growers cut their sweet deals in partnership with state and federal government. . . No? Don't tell me it was those same old racist Dixicrats who later joined the Republican party!

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Helen Thomas committed the unpardonable heresy of being critical of Israel. She may as well have taken a dive into an array of chainsaws. Israel, the land of fragrant feces, can brook no criticism.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Some people is so sto0pit!

I mean, think about it. It's SUPPLY AN' DEMANN. The CRA was a *distortion of The Marketplace* and we're lucky the world ain't blowed up.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 5:21 PM
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Some people is so Sto0pit. Right. Some people told us Rand Paul would be . . . Oops, he's still 9 points ahead. Well, like you say, some libs are so Sto0pid!

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

12: they don't say, but from what I read the Gibbs comments at the WH daily briefing precipitated the Thomas "resignation."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Ogga Bugga Killemall
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Bwahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But he/she/it will be the Great White Hope. Right? Right?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Some believe that if a relatively normal GW Hope squeaks through the GOP primary in 2012 (Romney for instance),

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And what do you think the probability of that is?

My guess, unless we have a plague that suppressess adrenal secretion in the next two years, is that the GOP nominating a non-crazy candidate would mean the cavemen would counter-nominate one of their own, failing as always to regard the electoral arithmetic, siphoning votes away from Mittens and over to Ogga Bugga Killemall, the 'bagger nominee.

Which suits me fine.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

@bwj,

I don't have television so I miss a lot of the nuances. So Helen was forced to retire, is that the belief? By the White House?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

@12: Possibly.

But it's also possible the folks commenting on HuffPo aren't buying what BHO/Gibbs are selling and will remember this in 2012. The comments seem to be about 4-1 FOR Helen Thomas and AGAINST her being forced to "retire." BHO should have stayed out of it. Another inexplicable unforced error by BHO. Hard to figure.

Some believe that if a relatively normal GW Hope squeaks through the GOP primary in 2012 (Romney for instance), BHO's base, which is well represented in the HuffPo comments, will not be energized enough to bail BHO out. You can't ignore your base, see Artur Davis failed campaign.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I propose that Zouk pick Legion as his next nom de electron. That or Multiplex.
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Or Sybil.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

BB, I do agree that Thomas crossed the line, but I am trying to figure out where this so-called space is for criticism.

I suppose the issue is the same as it is with any issue. The punditry is a bunch of fu cking thoughtless children.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 7, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

The White House briefing room seemed the appropriate place to comment, particularly since her seat was unoccupied and she had a privileged position there. The WHCA also felt motivated to comment. There is space for legitimate criticism of Israel's actions, but she went way over that line. Someone's relative whom the family ignores is one thing; my uncle Harry doesn't get to ask questions of the President.

With reference to Brigade's comment, I propose that Zouk pick Legion as his next nom de electron. That or Multiplex. Then Noacoler can pick Firestorm as his nemesis.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 7, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

@bwj,

Interesting about the pro-Thomas comments on HuffPost.

I wish the President had either said nothing, or said something that amounted to nothing. The whole thing will be yesterday's street sweepings in 24 hours anyway. Helen who?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

It appears most of the comments on HuffPo about the Thomas matter are...pro Thomas.

BHO/Gibbs should have stayed out of it. Now they have to explain why BHO is silent about the legions of other broadcast personalities and public figures who say provocative/impolitic things, e.g., Limbaugh, Beck, Rand Paul, Pat Buchanan, Phalin. Hard to understand the thinking of BHO's political/communications team.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Nah, bumbling, not quite right:

We don't need no stinkin' elevators. We don't need no stinkin' wheelchair bums. We don't need no stinkin' civil rights BS. What we need here is sweet-smellin' Kentucky tabacca.

Signed...The Right

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Awww. how cute. the loony left mutual admiration society has found a quirky litle topic to take the heat off the complete and utter failure of all things Obama.

your portfolio in tatters - your boat not worth a thing, your fish all dead, your country under attack, your job gone, your congressman a crook, your president a fraud and a liar....

yuck it up, Obama style, play some golf, shoot some hoops, throw a party, someone else is paying; government is suitable for all ills. your 200 year old building has no room for an elevator, burn it down or sue you out of business, we don't need no stinkin' jobs. We're Libs.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 7, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

We are now reading that Helen Thomas has retired/resigned. BHO through Gibbs commented (in the view of some, unwisely) about the matter during a daily press briefing, condemning Thomas.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues, I was combining threads here, for comedic effect :-)

Dr. Paul declared that the ADA was unnecessary WRT adding elevators to accomodate handicapped employees, because they could just work on the ground floor of buildings and not go to upper floors.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Oh, a little googling fills in the answer on whether Dr. Paul wants to see handicapped people above the first floor. Apparently not, if that involves an elevator.

In Dr. Paul's world, handicapped people better grow legs or wings, because elevators are too expensive. Maybe Dr. Paul is planning on changing medical specialties to orthopedics if he washes out politically, and can then solicit handicapped people for leg/wing fittings.

If I were Dr. Paul, I would never take a question that includes the word "restaurant". He's a gaffe meister.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues

Don't forget, handicapped folks only on the ground floor of restaurants.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 5:14 PM
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Dr. Paul has hitherto not been on my list of required reading. Did he opine on whether handicapped people should have access to restaurants?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, let The Marketplace find the right equillibrium. After all, how can The Marketplace be wrong? It's simply imPASSible!

If there were no integrated lunchcounters before the Civil Rights Act then that's what The Marketplace done spoke an' if you can't unnerstan' thet then you needs t'take ECON ONE OH ONE.

Some people is so sto0pit!

I mean, think about it. It's SUPPLY AN' DEMANN. The CRA was a *distortion of The Marketplace* and we're lucky the world ain't blowed up.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I think we can retire the fiction of the Obama stimulated economy.

just like the one about his competence.

just like the one about making new friends.

just like the post racist one. just like the most ethical admin ever. closing gitmo.

The list is getting very long.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 7, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

@noacoler,

Who asked Rand Paul about smoking in restaurants? That is a gem of a question, followed by an answer that almost defies adjectives.

We could call it the answer that every democrat would hope Rand would make--

the answer that make bumper stickers great--

the answer that makes wedge politics come alive--

the answer that makes Rand look like a LIBERTARIAN (oh, did you know the Kentucky Libertarian Party is disavowing Rand?)

the answer that makes libertarians look nuts.

Go, Rand, go. Some more! Someone else ask him a question.

How about, "Dr. Paul, how do you feel about hispanics working in restaurants? Do you think white people should have to eat off dishes washed by hispanics? Hummmmm?"

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues

Don't forget, handicapped folks only on the ground floor of restaurants.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

@noacoler,

Smoking in restaurants? Yeaaaaaaaay!

Blacks in restaurants? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

And so back in Washington, Rolling Stone looked on in awe as the music at your party "visibly transported" you to an internal world love. But it did not transport you to the Environmental Protection agency, where a horde of "top" officials discussed your "ongoing efforts" -- but did not respond to the frantic requests of local and state officials for permits to stop the oil.

And it did not transport you to the Bureau of Mineral Management, where your Harvard-educated appointee did "almost nothing" for the beleaguered citizens of the Gulf Coast, finally resigning in the storm of protest. As one commentator observed, you could have provided help "instantly with a phone call." But you didn't.

You are Barack Obama, and "American royalty" is what the Washington Post calls you. And royalty needs parties, pleasure, celebration, and adoring crowds. Your guests left their Hollywood mansions, their colonial revival townhomes in Georgetown, their upper-Manhattan brownstones and penthouses to applaud as you "smiled broadly and swayed" this past week.

And for almost two years it has been party after party, celebration after celebration, thrilled right down to your "kernel" by love in black tie and silk gown.

You are Barack Obama, and you are American royalty.

And as for the people of the Gulf Coast: Let them eat tar balls.

Stuart Schwartz

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 7, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

HP gave her a severance package worth a king's ransom to remove her before total destruction of the company was achieved. Neither Obama nor Boxer has ever done anything as destructive as Mrs. Sneed's antics as HP CEO.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 3:58 PM
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At least she didn't quit (like some people who shall remain nameless because certain people come unglued when they see her name disparaged). Carly was FIRED!

Now, there's a distinction for you.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

But popping up in the photo ops with Elvis Costello and Stevie Wonder and Beyonce and Sheryl Crow and Josh Groban, in the sumptuous spreads prepared by a continuous line of celebrity chefs dropping their magic on gold-trimmed fine bone china, in the Green Curry Prawns with Caramelized Salsify and the Oregon Wagyu Beef in Oaxacan Black Mole -- in all of this, there is a haunting hint of John Belushi's "Bluto" Blutarsky urinating on the shrubs outside the East Room.

Haunting because a bureaucratic black hole continues to swallow the requests of angry Gulf state officials as they have struggled to get in front of the oil heading toward their shores. "Mired down in bureaucracy" was the way the Weekly Standard put it. This weekend the tides brought in the "wildlife apocalypse along the Gulf Coast that everyone has feared for weeks."

For weeks. For weeks, state officials and citizens at every level have asked you, hammered at you, screamed at you -- we need help. But you're Barack Obama, and you are American royalty, and, as you told the "A-List" gathered in the White House last Wednesday, you need your celebration every bit as much as the Gulf needs berms to hold back the oil because "what gets us through tough times is music, the arts...the ability to capture that essential kernel of ourselves."

And so you were in the North Carolina mountains on vacation a couple of weeks ago, seeking that "essential kernel" of yourself on the streets of a city known as the San Francisco of the East Coast. And while Louisiana boat captain Dave Marino helplessly watched his nightmare unfold, you enjoyed three days of "delectable food," of relaxing in "massaging waterfall pools[,] an [sic] eucalyptus-infused steam room," and "majestic view[s]" from the sumptuous Biltmore House, the "largest private residence in America."

As the media noted, you found your "essential kernel" even while "[p]elicans struggle to free themselves from oil" and "stretch out useless wings, feathers dripping with crude" and "dead birds and dolphins wash ashore, coated in the sludge." Because you're Barack Obama, and it's all about you as "you left [North Carolina] with a spring in [your] step and a romantic glow."

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 7, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

BWJ, we all know the teabaggers aren't racist. They are all highly educated and very wealthy and own plenty of yachts and get lots of naked women to take their clothes off (whatever that means)

Posted by: DDAWD | June 7, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to Barack Obama's Animal House...er, National Lampoon's White House...no, let's get this straight, Barack Obama's White House.

You have created a world of lavish galas, of black ties and celebrity chefs, of "star-studded" guest lists, celebrated by the admiring Washington Post as a return to "Camelot, the Big Myth, the story of American royalty[.]" You are for the media elites "Camelot's new knight" in "shining armor," and, together with Michelle, you are royalty bringing this dreary republic "a palace of sunshine."

Awesome, beamed The Washington Post in print last week about your celebration of the music of Paul McCartney. "It was all love" for both you and Sir Paul, for your friends on "the A-List." Michelle cried, you had tears in your eyes, and even Jerry Seinfeld offered a sniff or two.

Meanwhile, down on the coast, there were no dazzled and dazzling Washington Post reporters recording the tears of the boat captain who, when asked about the future, replied, "I don't know -- my life, my boat, it is all gone." And in the Gulf, the black balls of tar were swaying in the angry waves as a new hurricane season pushed them toward shore.

Swaying meant something different last week to you, Barack Obama. You were "swaying along to the beat," Fox News told us, while a "star-studded list of celebrities" joined with the Democratic Party elite and a few favored journalists scrambling to get their pictures taken with you. Another week of partying with our "new American royalty."

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 7, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Neither Obama nor Boxer has ever done anything . . .
Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 3:58 PM
Too much information, Joe. That's all you needed. That says it all. Sometimes words just get in the way.
Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 4:04 PM


Following Brigade's model, I humbly offer the following excerpts from today's edition of the gospel according to Brigade:

...the issue was whether liberal Democrats would EVER give due credit to such a decision...

I notice some (David Broder) are starting to compare him to Jimmie [sic] Carter...

Those poor Palestinians...

...a terrible insult to FDR and Truman...

Really no way to discuss it thoughtfully...

A statement backed up with a lot of specifics...

...a President doing such a bang-up job...

...Fiorina's terrible record in business...

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Miss Janeane Garofalo is one of the most insightful political analysts on the American scene. Her take on the tea baggers spoke for most Americans of good will regarding those bigoted socios.
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From her wikipedia bio:

"In April 2009, Garofalo drew criticism when she denounced the Tea Party protests, saying:

“Let's be very honest about what this is about. This is not about bashing Democrats. It's not about taxes. They have no idea what the Boston Tea Party was about. They don't know their history at all. It's about hating a black man in the White House. That is racism straight up. This is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks.”

In response to the controversy Garofalo has continued to criticize Tea Party protesters, and has been reported to open her shows with "If there's any tea baggers here, welcome, and as always, white power.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janeane_Garofalo

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Her narrative has been written since Obama announced his candidacy. If he hadn't become president---racism! If he isn't re-elected---racism!

Sounds like the liberal approach to science and government

Science Input>>function>>global warming

Budget Input>>function>>Raise taxes, spend more

foreign policy Input>>function>>surrender, apologize

criticism Input>>function>>racist!

Crisis Input >>function>>Golf, Bball, party, vacation, concert


See, no matter what you put in, the outcome is the same. That is why so many utterly incompetent advisers are able to operate the "function" black box.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 7, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Neither Obama nor Boxer has ever done anything . . .

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 3:58 PM

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Too much information, Joe. That's all you needed. That says it all. Sometimes words just get in the way.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Tea Party, heard Rand Paul's latest?

Smoking in restaurants is a "God-given right."

baDUMP.

Guy really knows how to pick'em .. even most smokers are against having to breathe smoke while they eat. Wonder how many votes he thinks that's going to get him?

Zouk's, anyway. That's one.

With smoking down to under a quarter of adults and at its lowest esteem ever, Rand Paul seems to be incredibly tone deaf.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe wrote,
"Helen Thomas: Because of powerful political forces, Thomas is gone forever and no one can help her."

Her flapping jaws and empty head are hardly "powerful political forces."

"BHO must ignore this . . ."

That seems to be his reponse to almost everything.

"BHO/Racism: BHO's opposition is largely animated by racism, see commentary from Frank Rich, Colbert King, Janeane Garofalo . . ."

These people are morons. If I want to read the rants of nutjobs, I can do it right here. Jeanene Garofalo is totally out of her mind---about everything. What kind of person waste's his/her time listening to someone like Garofalo?

Her narrative has been written since Obama announced his candidacy. If he hadn't become president---racism! If he isn't re-elected---racism! What makes a twit like Jeanene attack someone like Condi Rice or Clarence Thomas and then call someone else a racist? It's because she has no respect for YOUR intelligence, Joe.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

remember it's the economy stupid. Boxer and Reid and Crist have to answer to that in the fall. And it ain't looking too good for the economy just now.

Posted by: kenpasadena | June 7, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"Can't you put a little context around Fiorina's terrible record in business? Perhaps by citing the experience of Obama or Boxer? Don't have that information at your fingertips, Joe? Maybe a little more crack would get the old neurons firing.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 1:36 PM"
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A non-partisan, highly regarded business magazine found Mrs. Cara Carleton Sneed (media friendly name: "Carly Fiorina") to be one of the 10 worst CEOs of all time. Presumably there have been millions of CEOs over the lifetime of this Republic. Mrs. Sneed was one of the ten worst of ALL TIME. That distinction should disqualify you from being french fries manager on McDonalds night shift, much less a Senator. HP gave her a severance package worth a king's ransom to remove her before total destruction of the company was achieved. Neither Obama nor Boxer has ever done anything as destructive as Mrs. Sneed's antics as HP CEO.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

What Republican won in PA?

Posted by: DDAWD | June 7, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

If bumblingberry can only reply with adhominem insults, it's clear evidence that my on-topic point was correct.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Unwisely, BHO did not take the opposition at its word when it stated early on that they wanted him to fail because he's a ____________. We intend no criticism of BHO, whose nobility and sense of fair play prevents him from appreciating the depths to which his bigoted opposition will go.

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Uh, speak for yourself on the "intend no criticism" part. Politics in general and the top slot in particular is no place for the starry-eyed and the naive. It's hard to believe that the deft and canny campaigner who defeated first Clinton and then McCain could be so inept at creating a clear political message. Especially given that unlike his predecessor he has reality in his corner.

Obama has let slip one opportunity after another as the right obligingly places their heads on the stump and hands him the axe. Man up, Barack, these guys are not going to come back to reality, start chopping, would you?

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Nosy - are you a classmate of Biden/Kennedy/Obama? that Ivy intellect is shining through. How much did you usually pay for someone to write your papers for you?

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 7, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

bumblingberry asked:
"I would like some advice from loony leftists liberals on which candidate we should nominate. How about one that you profess to love and admire for being so moderate and sensible, right up until he/she gets the nod, and then you can rabidly turn on them as right wing crazies."

By reversing the roles here, perhaps Bumblinberry can answer his/her own question:

"I would like some advice from rabid right radicals on which candidate we should nominate. How about one that you profess to love and admire for being so moderate and sensible, right up until he/she gets the nod, and then you can rabidly turn on them as left wing crazies."

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

@brig-ade (aka military prison-beverage): let's clear some things up.

Helen Thomas: Because of powerful political forces, Thomas is gone forever and no one can help her. For anyone, especially BHO, to even try would doom them to the purgatory Thomas now suffers in. BHO must ignore this and not speak a single word about it. If he opens his mouth on the subject, he will be talking about it longer than the media voyeurs were talking about Tiger Woods.

BHO/Racism: BHO's opposition is largely animated by racism, see commentary from Frank Rich, Colbert King, Janeane Garofalo, et al. But that said, BHO has been unable to pushback against this nonsense and it has frustrated his original political agenda.

HRC, either as the 2012 nominee or a super senior WH aide to BHO, is the answer: she has a special energy (sadly, generated by hundreds of grudges and resentments) for dealing with the vast right wing conspiracy BHO is up against (Faux News, hate broadcasters, rightwing lobbyists, hidden corporate interests, the military industrial establishment, war profiteers, white supremacists groups, neo-seg/neo-con politicians, etc.).

Unwisely, BHO did not take the opposition at its word when it stated early on that they wanted him to fail because he's a ____________. We intend no criticism of BHO, whose nobility and sense of fair play prevents him from appreciating the depths to which his bigoted opposition will go. He still believes he can reason with the baggers and win them over. Wrong.

Case closed.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, I enjoy talking to myself, why should drivl and Ped have all the fun, how about you?

I would like some advice from loony leftists liberals on which candidate we should nominate. How about one that you profess to love and admire for being so moderate and sensible, right up until he/she gets the nod, and then you can rabidly turn on them as right wing crazies.

you know, just like last time.

then they can go down in defeat because conservative won't vote for a RINO.

Maybe this time, we should stick with winners, as we did in VA, PA, NJ, FL, MA, HI etc. that's right, the ones who pointed out what a fraud and failure Messiah is.

such an easy target really. all you have to do is add 'decision' and the entire thing falls apart in confusion.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 7, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse


Well, enough bear-baiting.

Has anyone else heard that BP is moving in another ship to capture the tophat oil, something with a larger capacity than 15000 bbl/day. Did I hear that right?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"You really need to wonder, given that there have been bannings here, why these round-the-clock insulters are still here."

Because he doesn't have anything else to do and in real life no one will talk to him.

"drivl's sanity has definitely taken a turn for the worse these last few months."

LOL. One characteristic of all of his many monikers is this obsession with me. Really has a serious problem. I suppose it's better he's here, off the streets. Without the internet he'd probably be a serial killer of women.

And using all monikers at once, talking to each other? Serious deterioration. Maybe he'll get to the stalking yet.

Posted by: drindl | June 7, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey, everyone, I'm still giving Brigade the benefit of the doubt that he is not one of the zouks.

Just my humble opinion. I could be TOTALLY wrong, and then I will crawl before the blog begging your forgiveness.

Bwahaha!!!!!!

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I suppose the lines you people use about Sarah Palin work every time. I think I'll look elsewhere if I need advice on how to approach women. Thanks anyway.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 3:27 PM
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Ok, don't believe me. Bet you ARE a ladies man with that silver tongue.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

drivl's sanity has definitely taken a turn for the worse these last few months. I think the proof that socialism and communism is a total flop is destroying the drivl's and Ped's of the world. they simply were not prepared for across the board failure. they were thinking more like partial success along the lines of bill clinton, not utter and complete disaster, even worse than Carter. They forgot that the congress was led by loons too and that clinton had to contend with Newt to keep him straight.


Everyday their ilk searches desperately for any sign of liberal competence. Even the WaPost can't invent any, despite superhuman attempts.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 7, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Hell, brigade, don't you know that bumblingberry is zouk? If you don't, you are the only one.

This is bumblingberry's running joke on the blog. His multiple monikers.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

12barblues wrote,
"@brigade and zouk et al,

It is not considered "evolved" in civilized circles to criticize a woman for her looks, particularly when she is pushing 90. If you want to have women like you more, stop with the ugly comments."

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I suppose the lines you people use about Sarah Palin work every time. I think I'll look elsewhere if I need advice on how to approach women. Thanks anyway.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

37th keeps very irregular hours, clearly showing the sleep disturbance common among amphetamine users. He's probably asleep with her cheek on the keyboard and will soon wake up and go right back to posting.

He also goes in and out of sanity, just like most genuinely crazy people. And I though scrivener was nuts.

Zouk / Brigade / etc. is just immature, not as clever as he thinks he is by half.

You really need to wonder, given that there have been bannings here, why these round-the-clock insulters are still here.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

2 screen names going at once, talking to each other... too funny.

Posted by: drindl | June 7, 2010 3:15 PM
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Who is it this time, idiot?

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

liberal Democrats would EVER give due credit to such a decision had it been made by a Republican
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What the heck is your point? It wasn't made by a Republican. Isn't there enough controversy around actual events without generating controversy about hypothetical events?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I see, he's 3 identities going on all at once today. I definitely think 37 has been sharing his meth. Wonder why he isn't on today? Finally burn out?

Posted by: drindl | June 7, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

drivl used to be known for bashing bush day after day, minute by minute. Now that there is virtually nothing good to say about the messiah, she must rely on bashing little known repubs for unpaid parking tickets or other grave offences or, her preference, ranting insults to any other poster that does not share her loony world view. which world was that again old goat (apologies to goats everywhere, of course).

Ped wants to one day become a man like drivl and take over the blog. she has had enough answering car questions for ladies garage.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 7, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

17 months in office, and you compare Obama's handling of crises to FDR and Truman
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No, zouk in one of his monikers, did. I simply responded.

What, you got a problem with all these Presidents being cool heads? Seems obvious, not delusional to me.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"That only appeals to men who have a problem with women. Get it? You know, the "har-har" group, sitting on the barstools, ogling the women."

or paying 'models' to talk to you...

Posted by: drindl | June 7, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler wrote,
"Brigade's fishing for snark has now roped in Truman's authorization of the bombing of Hirsoshima and Nagasaki. I won't respond to a troll but it's worth noting a few things. . . blah, blah, blah . . ."

Once again, a post goes over your head. The issue was not whether or not Truman's decision was apt or justified; the issue was whether liberal Democrats would EVER give due credit to such a decision had it been made by a Republican.

Try to keep up old boy.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

@brigade and zouk et al,

It is not considered "evolved" in civilized circles to criticize a woman for her looks, particularly when she is pushing 90. If you want to have women like you more, stop with the ugly comments. That only appeals to men who have a problem with women. Get it? You know, the "har-har" group, sitting on the barstools, ogling the women.

Bwahaha!!!

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

2 screen names going at once, talking to each other... too funny.

Posted by: drindl | June 7, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone else in history ever used the phrase "right to exist?" Try though I may I can't come up with anything more logically absurd than that idiotic phrase.

But then, we make so many exceptions for Israel. Just ask Alan Dershowitz.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse


"More name calling in the absence of anything that passes for thought. Tiresome and predictable.

Posted by: Brigade "

Coming from you, hilarious.

Posted by: drindl | June 7, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Brigade,

You are entitled to your opinion. But, people who disagree with you are "delusional". Really? You must be a lot of fun at a party.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 2:44 PM
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17 months in office, and you compare Obama's handling of crises to FDR and Truman. I do think that's a bit delusional, sort of like hero worship. I notice some (David Broder) are starting to compare him to Jimmie Carter---and not in a complimentary way.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, you're really really immature.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 2:38 PM
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More name calling in the absence of anything that passes for thought. Tiresome and predictable.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Dixiecrats are (largely) Democrats no more.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Thomas might have said it better, ir bit said it at all, but what she said isn't actually so awful.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 2:34 PM
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It was awful enough until something more awful comes along. Those poor Palestinians might want to consider electing a government that recognizes Israel's right to exist. Or just get down to settling things the old-fashioned way, the way most border disputes in history have been decided. One side wins; the other side ceases to exist. That's what Hamas wants, so just get it on and see what happens.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I thought I read you retired today drivl.

A long career ends in disgrace, the woman shunned. She has proven that ugliness, like beauty, is not merely skin deep. Drivl let slip her real feelings, not that they were hard discern when she was more tactful. Was Long always this toxic?

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 7, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

D

I won't respond to a troll but ...I will. no one else will talk to me


BINGO

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 7, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"quite recently" = 45 years ago.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

berry's peace process heads toward war.

Syrian President Bashar Assad said Monday that Damascus would stand by "every decision" made by Turkey to see Israel lift its blockade of the Gaza Strip, declaring: "We are not just about condemnation, we are about actions." At a joint press conference in Istanbul with Assad,Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that his government was prepared to supply the Gaza Strip with "everything it needs", adding that Israel's blockade of the Hamas-ruled territory must end immediately.


And you all thought he would simply surrender. We can't all be that weak.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 7, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

P

raving racist anti-Jew screed

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Accusing other posters of her own qualities

Maybe today there could be a third idea from empty head.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 7, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

The Dixiecrats were Democrats.

But they haven't been in a long, long time. Ever since Nixon's "Southern Strategy" most started migrating to the GOP. Those who remained Democrats evolved in their racial views.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 2:10 PM
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They were ALWAYS Democrats. They were Democrats BY DEFINITION. If you weren't a Democrat, then you COULDN'T be a Dixiecrat. You people continually confuse some terms with other terms, such as "bigot" and "racist", which is understandable since there was, until quite recently, a racist under every Democratic rock.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"Brigade, you're really really immature."

all of his many identities are, why should this one be different?

Posted by: drindl | June 7, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Brigade's fishing for snark has now roped in Truman's authorization of the bombing of Hirsoshima and Nagasaki. I won't respond to a troll but it's worth noting a few things.

(1) The decision to develop the bomb and apply it to end the war was Roosevelt's, Truman would have had to work hard to resist plans so far along and so close to fruition. One could make a racist case in that the bombing of Germans wasn't really considered, but then that theater was all but wrapped up by that point anyway.

(2) Historians agree that absent the overwhelming power of thje bombinb the Japanese would have resisted another two years, leading to the deaths not only of a lot more American troops but at least two million Japanese, exhausing their soldiery and then ever younger children. Nobody who's seen the hideously burned survivors could feel good about the bombs (I take that back, there are people right here in these comments who can look at blinded and burned children and smile) but they did lead to a quick surrender and and orderly restoring of Japanese society, whereas a war going on two more years would have left nothing to recover.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"If she did, she was on the exact same page as Joe Biden. You don't have a selective memory, do you?"

apples & oranges. Bachmann's claim was a secret deal to split up Iraq between Syria & Iran to create 'terrorist safe havens', or something to that effect. Biden's plan was to keep an 'iraq' that was split on ethnic lines, but sharing oil revenue.

To call those the 'exact same page' is disingenuous, at best; more likely it's plain ignorance.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 7, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Brigade,

You are entitled to your opinion. But, people who disagree with you are "delusional". Really? You must be a lot of fun at a party.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, you're really really immature.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues wrote,
"If Obama, FDR, Truman represent cool heads in times of crisis and GW Bush represents a hotheaded approach, what could we say about Sarah Palin."

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Why do I have the feeling that had Truman been a Republican when he nuked those two cities, he wouldn't have made your list?

It really is a terrible embarrassment to Obama and a terrible insult to FDR and Truman to mention all three in the same such context. In fact, it's delusional.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Helen Thomas is finished because you don't criticize Israel in the USA, but is what she said so offensive? Is there not an essential truth there?

Absent the Holocaust and the feeling that global Jewery deserved a break, Israel's establishment never would have happened. But land stolen three generations ago is a settled matter today. What isn't settled is the ongoing theft of land, an elephant in the living room affair against all standards of civilized conduct, Lebensraum one settlement at a time.

Just as America was started with egalitarian and idealilistic principles and has now descended to a torture-condoning all-but-rogue state, Israel has become what it formed by reacting against, a brutal occupier under the thumb of an extremist right-wing minority. Though the majority pf Israelis are decent humanitarian people, they don't get to call the shots; that is reserved for the settler movement, a violent and psychotic fundamentalist squatter group crazed with biblical fervor, armed to the teeth and racist to the core. Avigor Lieberman is a settler and Netanyahu supports them.

There aren't enough Jews ready to walk away from Omelas, but many have left, and a majority of American Jews have strong misgivings about Israeli treatment of the Palestinians. The Israeli occupation is savage and brutal, needlessly cruel far beyond any security needs. Not that Americans would know anything about it give the stranglehold on our news .. when was the last time you read about "Israeli gunmen" or "Palestinian retalitation?" The words are always reversed.

Thomas might have said it better, ir bit said it at all, but what she said isn't actually so awful.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues, even scarier than McCain/Palin is what if something had happened to McCain, e.g., his health, if he'd been elected President? Imagining Palin coping with the oil spill is beyond reality.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 1:07 PM
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LOL. How scary--- imagining someone might do something instead of nothing!

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1 wrote,
"First I was thinking this was one of the more bizarre Bachmannisms, but I now recall she only had the secret plan to divvy up Iraq into several alQaidaistans or some such thing."
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LOL. If she did, she was on the exact same page as Joe Biden. You don't have a selective memory, do you?

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

bsimon, Ironically another potential replacement as Senate Majority, should Reid not be reelected, is one of Schumer's roommates at Chez Miller, namely Dick Durbin of Illinois.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I can't whip-up a lot of sympathy for Helen Thomas. I usually reserve this phrase for men, but it applies here: "There's no fool like an old fool."

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 7, 2010 11:21 AM
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This sentiment applied to Thomas even when she was young.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

What, no mention of Pat "Club for Growth" Toomey, who makes the Tea Party look moderate?

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 11:01 A
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Last poll I saw had Toomey in the lead.
"It's a hard rain's a gonna fall!"

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"Whose in line behind Reid for Majority Leader?"

Schumer

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 7, 2010 2:20 PM
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Ok, everyone--Chuckie! Chuckie! Chuckie!

I could deal with it.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Let's not overlook Jimmy the Greek, or "Macaca" Allen.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"Whose in line behind Reid for Majority Leader?"

Schumer

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 7, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

What ELSE does 12BarBlues have going for it?

Melody, rhythm, lyrics, soul, musical virtuosity...

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 2:14 PM
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Not according to my teacher. Bwahaha!!!!!!! I ALWAYS knew he was wrong.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"Sharron Angle wants to . . .(skipped the gibberish) . . . drive the country into total financial ruin. In other words, a nutcase. God help us . . ."

Posted by: drindl | June 7, 2010 11:00 AM

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You mean she's just another Harry Reid in a woman's body?

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Brigade writes
"This is the kind of argument that's got the country in such a mess."


I don't dispute that. If I lived in NV, I wouldn't be very enthusiastic about Reid. But if the other alternative were Angle or Lowden, I'd feel pretty trapped. And that's my point: Reid, if you believe his approval rating, isn't loved by his constitutents. But his opponents are extremists; they're hurting themselves with their own statements, before Reid's even airing attack ads.

I absolutely agree that the 'lesser of two evils' and 'devil you know' arguments are terrible reasons to pick a candidate. I think its a result of our political system, that gives too much control to the parties, which are incented to nominate more extreme candidates that rally the base.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 7, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Brigade writes
"This is the kind of argument that's got the country in such a mess."


I don't dispute that. If I lived in NV, I wouldn't be very enthusiastic about Reid. But if the other alternative were Angle or Lowden, I'd feel pretty trapped. And that's my point: Reid, if you believe his approval rating, isn't loved by his constitutents. But his opponents are extremists; they're hurting themselves with their own statements, before Reid's even airing attack ads.

I absolutely agree that the 'lesser of two evils' and 'devil you know' arguments are terrible reasons to pick a candidate. I think its a result of our political system, that gives too much control to the parties, which are incented to nominate more extreme candidates that rally the base.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 7, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

You guys think this is career ending for Thomas?

Posted by: DDAWD | June 7, 2010 10:20 AM
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LOL. What happened to Howard Cosell after his "look at that little monkey run" comment? And no one even thought Cosell was a racist. This insufferable old bag actually meant what she said.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

What ELSE does 12BarBlues have going for it?

Melody, rhythm, lyrics, soul, musical virtuosity...

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

The Dixiecrats were Democrats.

But they haven't been in a long, long time. Ever since Nixon's "Southern Strategy" most started migrating to the GOP. Those who remained Democrats evolved in their racial views.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe on the Helen Thomas matter,
"It's a complicated matter and there's no way to discuss it thoughtfully so...leave it alone"

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Just as complicated as the idea all blacks should go back to Africa. Really no way to discuss it thoughtfully---unless, of course, your IQ is higher than single digits.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

@noa,

Leava off those 1-4-5 jokes. What ELSE does 12BarBlues have going for it?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

BB - It's a bad week for Helen Thomas, but it's also a bad week for those graduating seniors. I don't remember who spoke at my high school graduation, but I guarantee it was somebody boring. Helen Thomas has been a nationally-renowned journalist for decades. And she's friends with Stephen Colbert! There's no way the school's replacement speaker will be even 1% as famous or interesting.

Posted by: Blarg | June 7, 2010 10:10 AM
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It's probably not too late to sign up a Nazi skinhead or a KKK spokesman. Or better yet, just grab an old toad out of the garden, slap a black wig on it, and no one will know it isn't actually Helen Thomas.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Heh, I nominate Kathryn Rogers and Elton John - the two most self-loathing individuals at this moment.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 7, 2010 10:06 AM
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Why? Did they, too, call for all Jews to pack up and go back to Poland or Germany? Quick now---who are the Nazis of today---left or right?

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Go, Sharron Angle, go girl.

I can't think of a better way to draw distinctions between the parties. Nevadans get a clear choice, on a whole lot of issues.

This is a good chance for the anti-incumbent feeling to get a good test. Nevada can trade off their Senate Majority Leader Reid for a junior senator from the minority faction of the minority party. Go, Sharron Angle.

Whose in line behind Reid for Majority Leader? Just in case we'll need to know his/her name.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Others like Gene Robinson, Colbert King, Joan Walsh, and Frank Rich have called out the teabaggers, who some have called successors to the old Dixiecrat party.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 10:01 AM
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Except the Dixiecrats were/are Democrats. You and Gene and Colbert keep licking those boots. It'll be okay someday.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Here ya go, 12BarBlues, have some tonic (sans gin), as well as some subdominant and dominant harmonies!

==

One-four-five is SO tiresome.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 7, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

BHO needs to talk about jobs, jobs, jobs, and attack the bagger agenda, and he should leave loser issues, such as the "alternative lifestyle" agenda and empire building in the Middle East, alone.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 9:54 AM
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Unfortunately, Joe, we've already had more than enough talk talk talk about jobs jobs jobs. People are weary of the talk and are looking for the jobs---no, not census jobs. But all we ever get is more talk talk talk. What is a President to do, right? At least we can all take comfort that GWB isn't President anymore. Shouldn't that be enough to get a fella re-elected?

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Here ya go, 12BarBlues, have some tonic (sans gin), as well as some subdominant and dominant harmonies!

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

It would not surprise me at all if Harry Reid ended up winning the race easily. I have a deep and abiding suspicion of the mainstream media's present narrative on this being an election similar to 1994. For months all we have heard is that Senator Reid was a dead duck. But, as we get closer to the election, his chances seem to be improving.

I think that is a natural phenomenon. The media begin polling of these races far too early. Early polling is hazardous because most voters simply are not interested until the weeks immediately before an election. I don't look for any serious data until October.

Posted by: jaxas70 | June 7, 2010 9:48 AM
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Okay, jaxas, this is a test. An off-year election. Give us the names of some Democratic incumbents you DON'T think are a lock to win re-election.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

bsimon wrote:
"...look at the nutball that's running against me.".

To which Brigade replied:
"This is the kind of argument that's got the country in such a mess."

So Brigade admits that the most extreme Republicans ARE nutballs after all!

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party in general and in particular is trouble and should not be considered. They are looking to set our country backwards. They don't want what's right the country, they want for themselves. They are just greedy users.

Posted by: wilson0004 | June 7, 2010 9:30 AM
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This is what you like to see. A statement backed up with a lot of specifics.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Only 11 posts in before Zouk starts calling names. Plus ca change.

Posted by: JakeD3 | June 7, 2010 9:21 AM
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Speaking of the high road, I didn't see any posts with the moniker 'Zouk' attached. Did you?

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"...when faced with a crisis, [a President Palin would] resign."

Well played, 12BarBlues!

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 1:20 PM
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You'd be surprised how many conservatives have called me an alcoholic. I NEVER correct them under the premise that you never deny anything that makes the name-callers look stupid.

Glad you get it.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

It is now cool to bash Obama


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7805775/Obama-loses-the-Left-suddenly-its-cool-to-bash-Barack.html


The POINT IS: ANY PERSON WHO PUT ASIDE EXPERIENCE AND CRISIS MANAGEMENT ABILITY WHEN VOTING FOR PRESIDENT - they were EXTREMELY IRRESPONSIBLE WHEN THEY VOTED FOR OBAMA.


AND NOW THE REALITY IS SETTING IN.


Obama was supposed to clean up Minerals Management Service - which was responsible for the safety standards on oil rigs. Obama did a long review of offshore drilling and said it was safe when he came out in favor of expanding offshore drilling.


Incompetence at its worst.


We have a third rate government in a CRISIS - FILLED WITH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION APPOINTEES.


If you voted for Obama, You are PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS SITUATION.


IT IS YOUR FAULT THAT BIRDS ARE DYING -


HUNDREDS OF BIRDS.


Don't cry to me - if you said to yourself that you didn't care about EXPERIENCE - you didn't care about crisis management ability - when you voted for President.


Everyone told you that Experience was IMPORTANT - AND YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T CARE AND VOTED FOR OBAMA ANYWAY.


THAT WAS IRRESPONSIBLE WITH THIS COUNTRY.


IT IS YOUR FAULT.


.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 7, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

So, Reid can start to make the case (perhaps not literally) that "you might not like me, but look at the nutball that's running against me." i.e. the 'devil you know' argument.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 7, 2010 8:55 AM
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This is the kind of argument that's got the country in such a mess.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse


Broadwayjoe wrote,
"Within O-Nation, there continues real but quiet support for BHO not to run in 2012 and letting HRC (and, gulp, her Hillarians) do their thing."

You remember Jimmie Carter, Joe. And Ted Kennedy. But why should ANYONE oppose a President doing such a bang-up job? Racism, no doubt. Ask 12barblues.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Senator Boxer, welcome back for another term in the Senate.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 8:09 AM
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Can't you put a little context around Fiorina's terrible record in business? Perhaps by citing the experience of Obama or Boxer? Don't have that information at your fingertips, Joe? Maybe a little more crack would get the old neurons firing.

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe wrote,
"Yahoos are supporting this self-proclaimed Tea Bagger because -- gulp -- they don't know who Angle is.

That's frightening."

LOL. LOL. LOL. In a country that put a community organizer in the White House after he sat in Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years and never heard a single word---

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

AndyR3 wrote,
"#1-If Angle wins in Nevada the happiest person in DC will be Bob Menedez and Tim Kaine . . ."

I've eliminated the rest of the post, as it can be summed appropriately as "I'm a leftist loon, and I hate Republicans."

Posted by: Brigade | June 7, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

You guys think this is career ending for Thomas?

Posted by: DDAWD | June 7, 2010 10:20 AM |

Yep.

MM and 12BB and FBlade agree, I see.
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This episode raises another issue. Why do opinion writers get seats at the WH correspondents' pressers, at all? Why are not the limited seats reserved for actual beat journalists?

Posted by: mark_in_austin | June 7, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"...when faced with a crisis, [a President Palin would] resign."

Well played, 12BarBlues!

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues, even scarier than McCain/Palin is what if something had happened to McCain, e.g., his health, if he'd been elected President? Imagining Palin coping with the oil spill is beyond reality.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 1:07 PM
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If Obama, FDR, Truman represent cool heads in times of crisis and GW Bush represents a hotheaded approach, what could we say about Sarah Palin.

She's like a "no head" approach. Or, better yet, when faced with a crisis, she'll resign. Then she'll be a "not there" President.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues, even scarier than McCain/Palin is what if something had happened to McCain, e.g., his health, if he'd been elected President? Imagining Palin coping with the oil spill is beyond reality.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I, for one, think that President Obama has "manned up". I am thankful on a daily basis we have him as our president, not John McCain/Sarah Palin combo. President Obama is not perfect, but he's definitely a cut above in his ability to keep his head in a time of crisis. He joins FDR and Harry Truman as cool heads. GW Bush certainly had crisis in his term, but his style was definitely more hotheaded.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

bumblingberry wrote:
"...Bush [ ] manned up..."

Like when he landed on a ship in his pilot's costume, with a backdrop banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished"?

Or when he publicly announced re the FEMA director during the Hurricane Katrina aftermath, "Heckuva job, Brownie"?

Right...

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Previous presidents have often grown in stature when trouble hits. FDR, Harry Truman, and Bush all manned up when confronted with unexpected and overwhelming crises, which is why we look back at them with affection and respect (yes, even FDR). Can anybody picture O doing the same? Well, Salvador Dalí, maybe, but I'm not him.


Obama got into office under false pretenses, a fact that has now become undeniable. He was omnicompetent, eminently intelligent, the man -- the god, according to some -- with all the answers. Now the lifeguard is at the deep end of the pool, over his head, and floundering, with the bath house on fire and alligators jumping into the children's end. It is our task as citizens (and I include those who voted for him) to assure that he doesn't pull the U.S., not to mention the rest of the world, down with him, while also somehow dealing with all those other challenges. This should keep us busy until 2012.

Posted by: bumblingberry | June 7, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Helen Thomas retired effective immediately. I do wonder about the possibility of cognitive decline--simply in terms of judgement. It is a sad way to end a long career.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 7, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

It is now cool to bash Obama

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7805775/Obama-loses-the-Left-suddenly-its-cool-to-bash-Barack.html

The POINT IS: ANY PERSON WHO PUT ASIDE EXPERIENCE AND CRISIS MANAGEMENT ABILITY WHEN VOTING FOR PRESIDENT - they were EXTREMELY IRRESPONSIBLE WHEN THEY VOTED FOR OBAMA.


AND NOW THE REALITY IS SETTING IN.


Obama was supposed to clean up Minerals Management Service - which was responsible for the safety standards on oil rigs. Obama did a long review of offshore drilling and said it was safe when he came out in favor of expanding offshore drilling.


Incompetence at its worst.


We have a third rate government in a CRISIS - FILLED WITH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION APPOINTEES.


If you voted for Obama, You are PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS SITUATION.


IT IS YOUR FAULT THAT BIRDS ARE DYING -


HUNDREDS OF BIRDS.

Don't cry to me - if you said to yourself that you didn't care about EXPERIENCE - you didn't care about crisis management ability - when you voted for President.


Everyone told you that Experience was IMPORTANT - AND YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T CARE AND VOTED FOR OBAMA ANYWAY.


THAT WAS IRRESPONSIBLE WITH THIS COUNTRY.


IT IS YOUR FAULT.


.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | June 7, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Helen Thomas is famous for throwing off caustic one-liners, and it looks like it has caught up with her. She should have known better--it's not like she hasn't been around the block a time or two. Also, her Syrian heritage only makes it sound worse.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Although I guess from his point of view, it's better to be disingenuous and shoot yourself in the foot instead of being forthright and shooting yourself in the face.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 7, 2010 11:37 AM
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Rand Paul is the only politician who can easily shoot himself in the foot and in the mouth with the SAME bullet. And he's just crazy enough to do it.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | June 7, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

dottydo writes
"Apparently, as Nevada, (slated to among the States to fall to Aztlan Mexico), stands up to the incursion..."


First I was thinking this was one of the more bizarre Bachmannisms, but I now recall she only had the secret plan to divvy up Iraq into several alQaidaistans or some such thing. I do recall another article, from Pravda or some other Russian news source, that had north america divided into multiple spheres of influence; the northwest being ceded to China and/or Japan, the southwest to Mexico, the east to Europe, or something equally bizarre. I don't recall where that left me & my neighbors in the upper midwest. Perhaps joining the Free Arctic Republic, or forming the Breadbasket Conglomerate, selling our foodstuffs to the rest of the world through the coastal protectorates.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 7, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

THEORY ON NEW DNI: Team Obama double-reverse to call out Bush-Cheney war crimes?

Retired Air force Gen. James Clapper, DNI designee, knows all the secrets. Congress has been primed to ask the right questions. He either tells the truth under oath -- and brings to justice the Bush-Cheney war criminals who constructed the nationwide fusion center- based electomagnetic-community vigilante torture matrix -- or he fails to win confirmation, and Panetta is named DNI while RETAINING his position as CIA director...

...a clear message to the authoritarian element in the Pentagon, Homeland Security and among the palace guard that the constitutional mandate of civilian control and respect for the civilian chain of command MUST be respected and adhered to.

Isn't an old-school, nun-disciplined CIA man Obama's key security advisor?

What a masterful way to game this out -- if that's what's happening.


Gulf oil spill diverts attention from domestic atrocities against American citizens...

HOMELAND FUSION CENTERS SILENTLY ASSAULT, IMPAIR 'TARGETED' AMERICANS WITH CELL TOWER MICROWAVE RADIO FREQUENCY WEAPON SYSTEM, COMMUNITY VIGILANTISM, FINANCIAL SABOTAGE: VETERAN JOURNALIST

Political leaders "targets" too?

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves OR NowPublic.com/scrivener

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Posted by: scrivener50 | June 7, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I'm having trouble really grasping Rand Paul's decision on CRA. He said he wasn't about to push to repeal it, but if it happened to come up, he would vote to repeal, wouldn't he? Just because it's not on the forefront of his agenda? Just because it's not a major campaign issue for him doesn't mean he wouldn't repeal it if he had the chance. He is being disingenuous here.

Although I guess from his point of view, it's better to be disingenuous and shoot yourself in the foot instead of being forthright and shooting yourself in the face.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 7, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I can't whip-up a lot of sympathy for Helen Thomas. I usually reserve this phrase for men, but it applies here: "There's no fool like an old fool."

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 7, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

dottydo wrote:
"Apparently, as Nevada, (slated to among the States to fall to Aztlan Mexico), stands up to the incursion of bad intel by Laraza Mecha Aztlan builders in their Public school systems and Harry Reid's treason, they will emerge as a solid USA State within the Union..."

Somewhere an English teacher is sobbing softly over dotty's failure to learn basic grammar and syntax.

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"Apparently, as Nevada, (slated to among the States to fall to Aztlan Mexico),"

where do these nutbags get these wild ideas?

Posted by: drindl | June 7, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Sharron Angle is even crazier than Rand Paul, although he's a doozy:

"Rand Paul compares himself to ‘idealists’ like MLK, says smoking in restaurants is a ‘God-given liberty.’

Yesterday, U.S. GOP Senate candidate from Kentucky Rand Paul wrote an op-ed in the Bowling Green Daily News, attempting to explain his widely condemned belief that private businesses should be allowed to turn away customers because of their race. In the piece, he compares himself to 19th century abolitionists and Martin Luther King, Jr. and tries to argue that he is carrying on the legacy of their “battles” — such as fighting for restaurants to allow people to smoke."

Posted by: drindl | June 7, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Apparently, as Nevada, (slated to among the States to fall to Aztlan Mexico), stands up to the incursion of bad intel by Laraza Mecha Aztlan builders in their Public school systems and Harry Reid's treason, they will emerge as a solid USA State within the Union.
Good for them.

Posted by: dottydo | June 7, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

What, no mention of Pat "Club for Growth" Toomey, who makes the Tea Party look moderate?

Posted by: Nosy_Parker | June 7, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"Sharron Angle wants to wipe out Social Security, shut down the EPA and several other agencies, stop regulating industries like oil -- so we can have more disaster like Louisiana -- and return to the days almost a century ago when the federal income tax was unconstitutional."

And drive the country into total financial ruin. In other words, a nutcase. God help us if we get any more rightwing lunatics like this in congress.

Posted by: drindl | June 7, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Sue Lowden became, what "Laugh In" called it back in 1969, another chicken joke. But the "Tea Party" is no joke--it's our equivalent of the Brownshirts. Their judgment will come when they will try to foment an armed insurrection--and will be put down by our equivalent of the Waffen-SS--Xe (formerly Blackwater) Corporation.

Posted by: carlianschwartz | June 7, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Thomas is through.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

@Fix interns: Remember, by the end of the week--two free Charlie (BHO's HCR equals Bush's Iraqi War) Cook Report ad/mentions, one Tim Pawlenty gratuitous shout-out, one free embed of the latest GOP attack ad, and two "GOP comeback"/"Dems in trouble" false narratives backed with cherry picked unsourced or "internal" polling. And no positive mention of your President.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

You guys think this is career ending for Thomas?

Posted by: DDAWD | June 7, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

@blade: Hopin' BHO stays away from the Helen Thomas issue. Don't say one word about it. A total LOSER issue. It's a complicated matter and there's no way to discuss it thoughtfully so...leave it alone, BHO. Open your mouth about it and you will hand your enemies another tailor made fake controversy, BHO. Let's see what 44 does...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

BB - It's a bad week for Helen Thomas, but it's also a bad week for those graduating seniors. I don't remember who spoke at my high school graduation, but I guarantee it was somebody boring. Helen Thomas has been a nationally-renowned journalist for decades. And she's friends with Stephen Colbert! There's no way the school's replacement speaker will be even 1% as famous or interesting.

Posted by: Blarg | June 7, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

"I think we have an early nominee for Worst Week - Helen Thomas.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade"

Heh, I nominate Kathryn Rogers and Elton John - the two most self-loathing individuals at this moment.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 7, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I think we have an early nominee for Worst Week - Helen Thomas.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 7, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: scrivener50 | June 7, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

"Wait...until just recently all the pundits like Chris Cillizza were telling us that the Tea Party was kryptonite. What's happening? Could it be that the pundits don't have a clue?

Posted by: ttj1 | June 7, 2010 9:50 AM"
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Not true. I have yet to read any Fix criticism of the baggers here. In fact, he "concluded" they were "quasi-libertarians." A kind of Ron/Rand Paulian code phrase, no? Others like Gene Robinson, Colbert King, Joan Walsh, and Frank Rich have called out the teabaggers, who some have called successors to the old Dixiecrat party.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

While the media is all atwitter and gushy over the Tea Party, the truth is that American voters are just barely beginning to awaken that there is an election looming in the fall. The media obsess over the Tea Party because they are comprised of the type of people who sit around all day reading web pages like this one, or listening to the cranky, nonsensical burblings of morons like Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck, or watching cable chat shows, none of who have a meaningful clue as to what average voters are really thinking.

Look. The Tea Party is a media side show. Commentators like Cillizza get all wet over them because they are amusing and furnish great ratings fodder. But, as more serious mainstream voters begin to get involved as we get closer to the election, I predict you will find that the Tea Party is like well, those periodic shark invasions off the coast of Florida that the media obsess over from time to time.

Posted by: jaxas70 | June 7, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

...not crediting mooned's foolishness, but...

We know many hardcore members of O-Nation (I mean the real deadenders) who do not plan to vote for BHO in 2012...unless he changes his tune and fast. For sure, don't look for folks to stand in line for five hours to vote in North Carolina in 2012, as they did in 2000 to win it for him. Right now the only thing saving his reelection chances is the inability of his opposition to put forward a normal, moderate looking male GW Hope who can win their primary. The baggers have made nominating a normal person almost impossible (goodbye Romney), only racist lunatics need apply.

BHO needs to talk about jobs, jobs, jobs, and attack the bagger agenda, and he should leave loser issues, such as the "alternative lifestyle" agenda and empire building in the Middle East, alone.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Wait...until just recently all the pundits like Chris Cillizza were telling us that the Tea Party was kryptonite. What's happening? Could it be that the pundits don't have a clue?

Posted by: ttj1 | June 7, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

It would not surprise me at all if Harry Reid ended up winning the race easily. I have a deep and abiding suspicion of the mainstream media's present narrative on this being an election similar to 1994. For months all we have heard is that Senator Reid was a dead duck. But, as we get closer to the election, his chances seem to be improving.

I think that is a natural phenomenon. The media begin polling of these races far too early. Early polling is hazardous because most voters simply are not interested until the weeks immediately before an election. I don't look for any serious data until October.

Posted by: jaxas70 | June 7, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"Hat Tip: AoS HQ
You see, during Obama's.....

[Foolish unhinged troll droppings omitted.]

Posted by: Moonbat | June 7, 2010 9:27 AM"
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Just shortened it up a bit, mooned. All the best.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

The Tea Party in general and in particular is trouble and should not be considered. They are looking to set our country backwards. They don't want what's right the country, they want for themselves. They are just greedy users.

Posted by: wilson0004 | June 7, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Hat Tip: AoS HQ
You see, during Obama's extensive experience as a community organizer, the biggest crisis he had to work with was when half of the Committee to Demand More of Other People's Money wanted pizza for lunch and the other half wanted Chinese. It doesn't exactly prepare you to lead the world's most important country.

BTW: First of all, I notice the Obama Fanboy blogs are conspicuously avoiding mentioning the May jobs reports. I wonder why.

[Your god bleeds! Bwah haha ha haha ha haa!]

Second, with his administration in meltdown, Chairman Zero has ratcheted up the pandering to key special interest groups. In the last two days, he has extended benefits to same sex partners of Executive Branch Employees and proclaimed that June is Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Transsexual Transvestite Omnisexual Pansexual Unicycle Pride month.

I guess pandering to leftist gays is easier than creating jobs, cutting the deficit, managing an oil spill or following Federal law when it comes to not offering politicians executive jobs to protect vulnerable incumbents.


No mention of dday from obambi. Too busy partying it up I suppose.

The wheels have come off the obungler go cart.

Posted by: Moonbat | June 7, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Only 11 posts in before Zouk starts calling names. Plus ca change.

Posted by: JakeD3 | June 7, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Baghdad bj. Mad Madge, dimwit ddawd, simple Simon.

Could this blog get any lower on the intellect chain??

Add in drivl and Ped and you have the most gruesome collection of loons in cyberspace.

Cilizza. Why did you allow these kooks to ruin your blog. Look at the weekend frenzy of idiocy.

Posted by: Moonbat | June 7, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

ddawd writes
"We are given as conventional wisdom that low name recognition means that you can only go up as in the case with Angle vs Reid. Has this been studied at all? It seems to make sense, but voters could turn on a person after they get to know more."


Low name recognition means the candidate is still 'definable' for voters. In Sestak v Specter, Sestak was able to paint himself in a favorable enough light to beat Specter, who was well known. Specter tried to define Sestak as a vote-skipper, among other things, but didn't make that stick enough to win the primary. So... as you note, low name recognition can mean a candidate has nowhere to go but up, but also means that the opposition gets a chance to define the candidate too. So, Reid can start to make the case (perhaps not literally) that "you might not like me, but look at the nutball that's running against me." i.e. the 'devil you know' argument.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 7, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/05/AR2010060503987.html

I think this was a topic of discussion here. How long the effects of the spill would last.

There's a reason I'm such a pessimistic person...

In gulf oil spill's long reach, ecological damage could last decades

Posted by: DDAWD | June 7, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

1) Lowden isn't much more mainstream than Angle. Either one looks good for Reid.

2) Ignoring that the 'concerned about the weather' misrepresents Boxer's position, there are actually quite a few californinas who are 'worried about the weather' when the weather means drought, wildfires and mudslides. Water is a huge issue on the west coast; a savvy politician would flip the comment on Fiorina & paint her as oblivious to the real issues that confront californians.

3) The FL race continues to entertain. Will Crist's denials put the Greer issue to rest? Will more financial shenanigans from Rubio come to light? Will Meek ever enter the race? Political junkies want to know!

4) Reeds withdrawl is something of a non-factor. Clark was already the favored nominee, so the general election matchup hasn't really changed. They're trading the chance to focus on fundraising for the general at the expense of the free publicity that a primary fight would generate. Clark has an uphill battle to win in that district; while she's popular in one corner (St Cloud), she'll need to work pretty hard to get out the vote & paint Bachmann as too extreme - a tough sell in MN's most conservative district. She may have to align more with IP gubernatorial candidate Tom Horner in the middle, distancing herself from the DFL Gov nominee, who will not do well in that district (whomever that ends up being). From that perspective, Reed would have better fit the district, as a former IP candidate.

Posted by: bsimon1 | June 7, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

We are given as conventional wisdom that low name recognition means that you can only go up as in the case with Angle vs Reid. Has this been studied at all? It seems to make sense, but voters could turn on a person after they get to know more. This is what happened with Sarah Palin. She was probably the most popular when she was first introduced as McCain's running mate, but then as she gained exposure, she plummeted.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 7, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

"#1-If Angle wins in Nevada the happiest person in DC will be Bob Menedez and Tim Kaine, because it will give the DSCC and DNC the ability to paint the Republicans as libertarian extremeists. They have already started this with Rand Paul but Angle is even crazier and doesnt' have the Charisma that Paul does. However, as margaret pointed out Lowden may still pull this out.
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Posted by: AndyR3 | June 7, 2010 7:45 AM"
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BHO's failure to expose and pushback on the idiotic bagger positions has been his worst whiffed fastball.

BHO and his party clearly should be talking non-stop (and making ads) about what the baggers advocate -- these extremist back-to-the-50s positions. The media used to do that job, but now they just repeat the corporatist talking points.

Within O-Nation, there continues real but quiet support for BHO not to run in 2012 and letting HRC (and, gulp, her Hillarians) do their thing. Remember, even President Taylor needed the help of ex-President Logan. Plan B: bring HRC and Hillary World icons into the WH with a direct report to BHO.

At Ground Zero here, the mishandling of the Sestak thing for many was symptomatic of a larger problem regarding BHO's political/communications team: even an elected county clerk knows to IGNORE fake controversies or to ridicule them. But under no circumstances do you have your top WH lawyer conduct a formal "query" thus legitimizing the Sestak/Romanoff nonsense and encouraging even more rightwing fake issues. A horrible unforced error.

Perhaps a bigger deal was BHO's recent loss of MoDo's support; like her or not, that is a big deal. Dowd is an accurate weather vane for the mood of East Coast in-crowd.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

re #3: Crist needs to turn the tables on this conversation. He and Greer were friends, but Rubio is the one who has already been implicated in misuse of the party coffers. That's where Crist needs to hit.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 7, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Re Cara Carleton Sneed (media name "Carly Fiorina"):

"In April 2009, the business magazine web site Condé Nast Portfolio listed Fiorina as one of "The 20 Worst American CEOs of All Time", characterizing the HP-Compaq merger as a widely regarded failure, and citing the halving of HP's stock value under Fiorina's tenure."

Bottom line: They looked at all the CEOs in the HISTORY of the United States (millions of CEOs), and Mrs. Sneed was one of the worst 20. Yikes! So the next time Drudge/Fix World refer to her as a "businesswoman," know that the record shows she was a FAILED businesswoman of historic proportions.
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Senator Boxer, welcome back for another term in the Senate.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

MMeyers, there was a poster on here who said that most of the absentee submissions were actually from more of the Angle friendly areas.

And I'm not sure when Lowden's surge period was, but she made her chicken statements well before the start of the early voting (two week period ending last Friday) so I'm not so sure that she really locked up much when she was doing well.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 7, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

From a Vegas paper:

"And Sharron Angle, a former Reno assemblywoman, would get 45 percent of the vote to Reid's 40 percent, a strong showing given her low name recognition statewide -- 42 percent don't know her.

Reid's campaign manager Hall said internal polls show the senator winning the general election against any potential opponent, but he refused to share any details."
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Yahoos are supporting this self-proclaimed Tea Bagger because -- gulp -- they don't know who Angle is.

That's frightening. So these know-nothings don't know that Angle supports a return to the 1920s "Prohibition" laws against the sale of alcohol!

BTW, the Tea Bagger party, whose banner she proudly carries, also supports repeal of the Civil Rights Act (and a return to whites-only lunch counters), elimination of Social Secuirty and the income tax, waving misspelled n-word signs, all repeal of all environment regulation, repeal of health care reform (populist love for Big Pharma and Big Insurance?) and laws against discrimination against the disabled and guaranteeing their access to buildings and services, racial profiling Hispanics and stripping their kids of citizenship, bombing Iran for no reason, and...well, you get the picture.
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This is outrageous, crazy 1939 Germany, 1954 Birmingham, 1963 Johannesburg stuff.
If you're going to cheerlead about some "tea party favorite," Pal, kinda mention what kind of party these socios have in store for us.

Riddle me this: what would the late Washington Post publisher Katherine Graham have said about a post celebrating Angle and the teabaggers if she were alive?
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Note to Fix interns: Google "Katherine Graham" and learn something. As the TV ad used to say, if you don't know, you'd better ask somebody.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | June 7, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

#1-If Angle wins in Nevada the happiest person in DC will be Bob Menedez and Tim Kaine, because it will give the DSCC and DNC the ability to paint the Republicans as libertarian extremeists. They have already started this with Rand Paul but Angle is even crazier and doesnt' have the Charisma that Paul does. However, as margaret pointed out Lowden may still pull this out.

#2-"which mocks the three-term senator's concern about global warming as Boxer being "worried about the weather."
-In California its a very good thing to be worried about the weather, especially in light of the massive oil spill in the Gulf.

#3-"Already, former state House Speaker Marco Rubio (R) is hitting Crist on his ties to Greer in a web video." Has Rubio forgotten that he is the REPUBLICAN in the race, and that he had a little issue with charging personal stuff to the state GOP.

#4-America will be a better country if Michelle Bachmann is voted out of office, period.

Posted by: AndyR3 | June 7, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Lats week we had a post about heavy absentee balloting in Nevada. As those votes were mailed when Lowden was surging, I feel she still has a chance to pull this out. That column also suggested that absentee ballots tended to favor party-backed candidates.

And I always have tp wonder about voters who are still undecieded at this point. Are they really likely to turn out at the polls on election day? There's undecided and then there's uninterested.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | June 7, 2010 6:41 AM | Report abuse

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