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Delahunt retirement ends a bad week for Democrats

1. Massachusetts Rep. Bill Delahunt's retirement late Thursday night was the latest in a series of difficult blows for House Democrats this week. Delahunt's 10th district is not exactly Republican territory -- President Obama carried it with 55 percent in 2008 -- but Sen. Scott Brown (R) did carry it in his special election win in January as did Mitt Romney in the 2002 governor's race. In a vacuum Delahunt's retirement would be a cause for concern but not exactly a problem for House Democratic strategists. But, politics doesn't exists in a vacuum and Delahunt's retirement comes in the same week that Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.) stepped down from the Ways and Means Committee following the his admonishment at the hands of the House Ethics Committee and Rep. Eric Massa (D-N.Y.) announced his retirement after a single term amid an ethics investigation of his own. (That's not even to mention the problems of New York Gov. David Paterson -- what is it with Democratic elected officials in New York? -- and the talk that, after announcing his retirement last week, he may be forced to resign.) The cumulative effect? A diminishing and/or tarnishing of the Democratic brand -- the last thing the party, which is in the midst of trying to pass an unpopular health care bill, needs heading into the November midterm elections. The last week goes to show yet another way that politics is like sports. When the momentum is with you -- as it was for Democrats in 2006 and 2008 -- every break seems to go your way, every ball that hits the rim rolls in. When momentum is working against you, every break is a bad one. ALSO READ: Politico's Ben Smith and Glenn Thrush -- two veteran New York political reporters -- on just what is going on in the Empire State.

2. Delahunt's retirement is likely to lead to a very crowded primary on the Democratic side as ambitious up-and-comers who have been waiting nearly 15 years for the chance to run jump at the opportunity of an open seat. The biggest name on the Democratic side is Joe Kennedy III, the son of former Massachusetts representative Joe Kennedy II and the grandson of former senator Robert F. Kennedy. Kennedy the youngest told the Boston Globe earlier this week that he wouldn't run for Congress even if Delahunt retired and a source familiar with the situation said Kennedy wasn't likely to reconsider. Assuming Kennedy -- a field-clearer -- is out, a slew of Democrats are mentioned including: state Rep. Jamie Murphy, businessman Phillip Edmundson, Norfolk County District Attorney Bill Keating and former state representative Phil Johnston who ran and lost against Delahunt in a very contentious 1996 open seat primary. On the GOP side, national Republicans have expressed enthusiasm in the candidacy of former state treasurer Joe Malone who recently released a poll that put him in a statistical dead heat against Delahunt. Democrats, however, are ecstatic about the prospect of running against Malone due to a scandal involving several of his top staffers at the treasurer's office a decade ago. One intriguing name for Republicans could be Christy Mihos, a wealthy businessman currently running a long shot bid for the Republican gubernatorial nomination; Mihos also ran for governor as an independent in 2006 and took seven percent of the vote.

3. Just two days after Gov. Rick Perry (R) cruised to a primary victory over Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, a leading political handicapper moved the race to a toss up -- a boost for Democrats. Cook Political Report editor Jennifer Duffy called former Houston Mayor Bill White (D) "probably the strongest gubernatorial candidate Democrats have nominated since Ann Richards" in 1990 and added that White's business background would make it hard for Republicans to turn him into a "screaming liberal Democrat." Republicans admit privately that some of the statements Perry made while securing the GOP primary could come back to haunt him in the fall but are buoyed by the fact that more than twice as many people voted in the Republican primary as the Democratic primary on Tuesday. Democrats have been close to non-competitive in targeted statewide races since Richards' loss to George W. Bush in 1994. The lone major exception was the 1998 lieutenant governor's race in which John Sharp (D) came within a hair's breadth of beating a then little known politician named -- you guessed it -- Rick Perry. Given the conservative nature of the Texas electorate, Democrats need everything to fall into place to have a real chance at winning. White's profile coupled with Linda Chavez-Thompson's win in the primary for lieutenant governor -- a victory that should help drive Hispanic turnout in south Texas -- might give the party that chance. ALSO READ: Texas Monthly's Paul Burka on whether Democrats not named White can win statewide races this fall.

4. Wyoming Gov. Dave Freudenthal (D) ended months of speculation on Thursday by announcing that he would retire at the end of the year rather than challenge the state's term limit law to seek another four years in office. While Freudenthal was technically termed limited out of office this year -- he was elected in 2002 and reelected in 2006 -- a 2004 ruling by the Wyoming state Supreme Court overturning term limits for state legislators seemed to open the door for a legal challenge by Freudenthal that many observers (including many Republicans) thought he would win. Freudenthal's decision not to contest the law all but hands the race to Republicans given the strong GOP tilt of the state. (John McCain carried it with 65 percent in 2008.) Former U.S. attorney Matt Mead, state Auditor Rita Meyer and former state Department of Agriculture head Ron Micheli are in the race while state House Speaker Colin Simpson, whose father Alan Simpson represented the state in the Senate, is seriously considering a bid. Democrats acknowledge privately that the seat is close to a lost cause for them.

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bobbywc


Why did you have to go to jail ????


And why wasn't it viewed as protected speech ??? Could you say the same thing somewhere else, like in a different place?

Give us the details and I'll tell you if you belong in jail or not.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 6, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

bobbywc


I didn't say we should deport the 10 million people - however if Americans held all those 10 million jobs - then the money would be in the hands of American citizens, who would be spending it instead of the illegal aliens.

So, your logic is a little off - just because someone is deported, the job stays here, and so does the paycheck.


Also, there is a greater chance that the American citizen will file all their taxes, so they will be less likely to be off-the-books. That will increase tax revenue to the government - Federal and States.

HHHMMMM - the benefits are far reaching - and your logic makes no sense.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 6, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Rick Perry has been governor of Texas for 8 years and this is what Texans think of him:

"Perry is viewed very favorably by 18 percent"

impressive.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

sorry bobby but as a native Houstonian I can tell you that the residents of Houston, conservatives, moderates and liberals, love and respect Mayor White, his bi-partisan approach to governing my great city and for his leadership as mayor during trying economic times. While national conservatives tried to trash the poor folks in New Orleans many of whom lost everything they possessed in their lives during Hurricane Katrina, he opened up our city to proudly help the unfortunate and made them feel welcome to Houston. His office organized thousands of Houstonians as citizen volunteers, medical teams and Houston business leaders at the Astrodome bringing in supplies from corporations and charities throughout the country. He was recognized nationally for that leadership and he is exactly the kind of man I would be proud to call my next governor.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

First a correction - 1992 should have read 2000

POLL PERRY WHITE RACE

PERRY ONLY UP BY 6 - This is not a good sign for Perry - it should fuel money donations for White

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/03/04/2016439/perry-leads-white-by-6-points.html

Posted by: bobbywc | March 5, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I doubt that Biden reads The Fix ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Gosh Jake, I certainly hope that all the homosexuals in congress, and the President are reading this blog. I'm just sure that when they see that a bigoted conservative kook doesn't approve of their sexual orientation, they will be convinced, and they will certainly take your advice. Then we can all live in a theocracy just like such advanced civilizations as Saudi Arabia and Iran. Here's to a brighter tomorrow.

Posted by: elijah24 | March 5, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

hey, 37th - exactly how is deporting 10 million people going to help stimulate consumer spending?

and Leichtman - like all Democrats determined to keep the corruption covered up you attack anyone who points out the corruption as a Rpublican - the idea of fixing the problem eludes you

Well here is a fact for you, in 1992, I chose to do 30 days jail time rather than be silenced over my anti Bush and Kay Bailey Hutchisons dissent - when you have proven to me you would rather sit in jail for 30 days rather than be silenced then you can accuse me of being a Republican

Bill White is an opportunist politician who cares nothing about the people - you know the priests had the support of the people until the truth came out.

When the people of Houston are told the cost of borrowing money for the city will go up because White used the reserve money to balance the budget - they may change their mind about White

Posted by: bobbywc | March 5, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

NOW Obama wants to legalize all the illegal aliens.

WAY TO PICK POPULAR ISSUES !!!

What's next? Releasing Terrorists ? Oh, Obama is doing that already.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't know of anyone calling themselves liberal who believe that garbage about 911. I don t consider those conspiracy theories about the 911 to be either left or right but just insane. If he truly ever stated that like Ms. Medina suggested then let me repeat, good riddance.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

37thand0street:

That guy was a LIBERAL kook (thinking that Bush planted demolitions at the WTC). I am a CONSERVATIVE kook ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Massa voted against HC reform. Good Riddance.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

If Pelosi and Hoyer pushed Massa to leave now, instead of a month from now, they are giving up a vote on health care.

So WHY would they do that???


It makes no sense. EXCEPT if they have already made the leap to election mode - and decided that the public perception of the House democrats for November IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE HEALTH CARE VOTE.


This could be a signal that Pelosi, Hoyer and the House democrats are throwing in the towel on the health care vote.


Could it be over?


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2


Glad to see you were not the Pentagon shooter.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Tomottow I am 52 and I have never heard of an election without a promise to fix education. When I was an undergraduate in the 70's we had to write 30 page pagers in all of our courses for our major. In 2003/4 while working on my masters in education the teachers in the program were yelling bloody murder because we were assigned 10 page papers.

Education every year gets worse and worse - every politician lies -

Anyone who thinks someone with the endorsement of the teachers' unions is going to improve education is looney. the teachers along with the politicians are the problems.

While doing my student teaching I was chastised every day for teaching in a way which prepared the students for college. I was denounced for using short answer tests instead of multiple choice tests provided for by the textbook publishers.

A group of Turkish professors who came to the US for their graduate work started several charter schools in Texas specializing in math and science - their students are excelling because they are not subject to the stranglehold of the teachers unions. NCLB intended that people with a masters in their teaching field who passed the state's competency tests should be allowed to teach - Texas teachers unions undid this to protect their own. This is unforgiveable

Even Obama to his credit, and in fact one of his most courageous moments has taken the position it is time the unions stop protecting incompetent teachers.

Finally education will not change until we recognize the problems.

I work with a family with a mentally ill child. He is now a dropout. Texas refuses to fund special needs education. How is White going to fix this without increasing taxes and the budget? These kids account for a large portion of the dropouts.

Further, until school boards are abolished local politics will control who is and is not hired - there is nothing any governor can do other than to support legislation to reform how schools are run at the local level.

Posted by: bobbywc | March 5, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

just as I suspected, another Perry syncophant spreading maliscious stories. Ask what Houstonians think of their mayor and you will get bipartisan praise.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

No, just homosexuals. Obama should resign (whether he is a homosexual or not) because he is not a "natural born" citizen.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

How about a life time of corrupt Democrats controlling your life - you seem to dismiss that - why do we not matter in the LRGV - why should we elect Democrats to statewide offie who do not care about us?

Cameron County is the 2nd poorest county in the US - 4 years ago they elected a Republican as the County Judge (County executive in other states) why? Because they could not stand one more minute of the corruption.

How did the Dems respond - they appointed the unelected county judge as their party chair - Bill White knew this and stood there with the Democratic County Chair and endorsed cameron county Democrats.

Now - no one believes I was saying Bill White said go jump in a lake - his actions said it.

Anyone can check the election records and see I vote in the Democratic Primaries - this time around like a lot of people I placed a blank ballot in the box - I voted for no one.

I can assure you White is doing more to protect Perry than I am - why - because he cannot go public with the Perry corruption without exposing corruption within the Democratic Party in Austin and Dallas. Which is why the Statesman and Chron are not covering the story.

White is not even on the same planet as i am in terms of exposing the corruption under Perry - I take no prisoners whereas White turns a blind eye if need be to protect the Dems

Posted by: bobbywc | March 5, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

how about blacks, hispanics, jews and women jake?

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

All homosexuals in Congress should resign, effectively immediately!

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

glad to hear that

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

What people have to realize is that Obama's presidential campaign was a FRAUD.


Obama promised things to the American People that he KNEW HE COULD NOT DELIVER.


The complete lack of effort, the complete lack of even attempting to deliver what Obama promised, has actually been astonishing.


The democrats ACT like none of this ever happened - that somehow they are entitled to the majorities they got by FRAUD - and somehow these majorities are going to last forever.


When will all this sink in ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

The Delahunt retirement was NOT the last bad news for Democrats this week:

Rep. Massa (D-MA) will RESIGN next week (not just retire).

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33980.html

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

curious why you would constantly post how much you dispise Perry and then make repeatedly nasty comments about Bill White. First of all Bill White does not speak like that, Houstonians know better, but again unless you are working directly with the Perry campaign, I am curious why you would continually trash our mayor? Personally I don't want to hear any more about it. If you are happy with 12 years of right wing cesssesionist leadership in our state, keep it up, your wish will come true.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Wow, this conversation has just fallen apart, hasn't it?

Posted by: elijah24 | March 5, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't care more whether you disbelieve me or not.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 5, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman if the Medina people vote Perry, which I think is doubtful for the very reason you cite related to the budget -

You need to read what is being written - White was specifically asked to not get in bed with these people - he ignored everyone's warnings

Shami came to the LRGV and stayed aware from these people. White came to the LRGV and met with all of the Democratic leaders.

The LRGV is a mess because of the Dems - they will not vote - anyone can check the election night returns since 1994, the evidence is there

White was told by local groups if he got in bed with the local leadership we would boycott the election - he told us to go jump in a lake - and that is where we will be in November and not at the polls.

Posted by: bobbywc | March 5, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I can't say that you're wrong Noc, but I do disagree. We are in many ways out of control, but the train isn't a runaway yet. We can still get it back on track.

Posted by: elijah24 | March 5, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"You state the Tea party people will vote - "are you telling us that the people who voted for Medina are going to vote for White? You cannot be serious - they either vote Perry or stay home"

I suspect that 90% of them will actively support Perry.

if your 2 year old story trumps our state's projected $11 billion dollar deficit and deteroriating state schools then lrgv has bigger problems then I thought. Incidentally White was pretty busy with City Counsel and running the 4th largest city in the country in 2008 during the worst econimc downturn in 40 years so to try and lay your community's political problems on him is nonsense and something I would expect to hear from the Perry campaign not someone who supposedly is interested in getting him out of office. Sorry this state has much more serious issues to deal with. If you are truly a White supporter I suggest that you deal with your local issue locally through your legal system and not try and politicize it to Perry's advantage.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Go lick your privates in private Ped.

Posted by: drivl | March 5, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

the sooner the better Ped.

Posted by: drivl | March 5, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Again, I couldn't care less whether you believe me or not.

==

go lick your wounds in private, jerk

Posted by: Noacoler | March 5, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

@elijah24: I would agree that America was the greatest nation on earth.  We stood for human rights, for democracy, for the nobility of the common man.  But that was long ago.  Now we stand for power and profit.  As Alex de Tocqueville wrote in”Democracy in America” 170 years ago, America is great because America is good, and when America ceases to be good she will cease to be great.  For my money, that has come to pass.  Not an idle assertion in my case, I *am* leaving.
 
With Graham Nash and John Entwhistle quotes already in today’s comments, let me add a Steppenwolf:
 
Now it’s a monster and will not obey.
 
Noacoler
sắp đi khỏi Mỹ - outa here

Posted by: Noacoler | March 5, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Again, I couldn't care less whether you believe me or not.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

so you reference an Editorial that cuts and paste and paraphrases Sen Byrd's atctual position and embelish it and say how great you are, while I post and moderatevoters post the actual link of Senator Byrd's March 4, 2010 letter 2 days ago posted in Politico and ask everyone here to open the link and draw their own conclusions as to what Sen Byrd is saying.

and this is what you dissemble: "Despite Sen. Byrd (D-SC) saying that reconciliation shouldn't be used for Obamacare, it seems as if the Dems are going to do it anyways. "

had you posted the link first and then stated this is why I think you might have an oz of credibility left here.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm always a little surprised that the GOP base isn't worshipping Obama. Not the Tea Party rural, lower class, middle-class-wannabes. They are just GOP tools. I'm talking the real base -- corporations, management, stockholders, the wealthy. THAT is the base. And look what Obama has done in just 13 months: the stock market is way up (the well-to-do can look at their protfolios and smile again); manufacturing is up; retail sales were up; unemployment has stalled and appears to be ready to turn a corner; TAXES are down!

So why is the Party of NO so sulky? And why are they feeding the paranoia of nut-jobs with airplanes and guns?


Posted by: margaretmeyers
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Must be some corporate types in the orgs and their pacs that gave to O.

University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835

BTW - Gonna buy a tank and an aeroplane!

Posted by: leapin | March 5, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

leichtman,

sorry for all of the previous typos - my head is pounding -

you ahve made up your mind and simply refuse to read my words - again "I want the truth to come out about Perry_ this would include all of his failures -

You state the Tea party people will vote - are you telling us that the people who voted for Medina are going to vote for White? You cannot be serious - they either vote Perry or stay home - there people do not care about the drop out rate of minority or immigrant children.

the LRGV will not vote - they have not voted since 1990 - they have had it - the Dems of the LRGV are more in line with this new group known as the Coffee Party USA

The story you claim means nothing (it means everything to the people of Brownsville stuck with the 21.4 million dollars in bonds for a non-existent bridge) ties Perry to the engineering firm. Why is White like you so determined to dismiss this story - answer all of the locals in Brownsville who made money on the deal are the very Democrats White embraced.

So unless you can find a way for a Dem to win without the LRGV or someone goes after Perry with the real story of corruption Perry wins

Head in the sand never wins elections

Posted by: bobbywc | March 5, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

elijah24:

Thanks for answering my questions to you.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

typo: not wanting to spam this site.

bobby, bobby calm down. its a 2 year old story that was in the back pages of the Chronicle. Belive me it got zero coverage here, zero. Call that a conspiracy whatever.

And you refused to respond to my querry that the deficit, property taxes and school drop outs will be the controlling issues for voters and not some 2008 story you reference that no one in Houston, Austin or Dallas knows or much cares about.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Maybe you don't see anything wrong with lying, and you have a lot of company on your side of the aisle, but most people, including most sane conservatives, regard lying as despicable.

But one despicability is just a leaf on the pile in your case, you if so very many despicable characteristics. You lie like a rug, you're a racist jerk, you're self-absorbed, inconsiderate, and vile.

Now squeal to mark for support, jerk.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 5, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Jake, I thought I was clear on that. Yes I was aware. and Yes I do think they were whining idiots.

Drivl: I dont pledge alegence to any specific person. I don't pledge to the flag either. The flag has been desecrated by far too many people to be worthy, by itself, of alegiance. I pledge my alegiance to the idea of the United States of America. The Idea that all should be seen as equal without regard for race, religion, creed color, nationality or sexual orientation. That we are free to work toward our own dreams. That we are free to have and express our own opinions, no matter how controversial they may be. That if we have a controversial opinion and we share it, we are subject to hear the condemnation of others as they freely express their opinions. That The USA is the greatest nation in the world, but not by birthright. Our greatness is the result of the sacrifice, courage and labor of our ancestors; and her continued greatness is our responsibility to uphold. That debate is good. That political opposition is good. That empassioned disagreement is good provided that each side acknowledges that your opposition loves this country as much as you do. That disagreement is not treason.
I pledge alegence to a pluralistic nation. It isn't easy. America isn't easy. Nothing good ever is. But a little understanding can make it easier.
Does that clear things up for you?

Posted by: elijah24 | March 5, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

And, I posted THE REST (for which you called me a liar and despicible, even though you didn't post the entirety either). I couldn't care less what you believe or not.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

What people have to realize is that Obama's presidential campaign was a FRAUD.


Obama promised things to the American People that he KNEW HE COULD NOT DELIVER.


The complete lack of effort, the complete lack of even attempting to deliver what Obama promised, has actually been astonishing.


The democrats ACT like none of this ever happened - that somehow they are entitled to the majorities they got by FRAUD - and somehow these majorities are going to last forever.


When will all this sink in ???

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

this is what I posted trying not to span this site like others her with a full page letter. Note my posting the link to his PRECISE WORDS. and you wonder jake why few here believe anything that you post?

this is what Sen Byrd actually said. Believe his actual words:

note my link jake some honesty that you obviously do not believe in even the things I wish Byrd had not said. Read the entirety of Byrd's statement, not jake's self serving spin and make up your own minds.

"""http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0310/Byrd_defends_reconciliation_to_finish_health_reform.html"""

"I believed then, as now, that the Senate should debate the health reform bill under regular rules, which it did. The result of that debate was the passing of a comprehensive health care reform bill in the Senate by a 60-vote supermajority. "

I continue to support the budget reconciliation process for deficit reduction. The entire Senate- or House- passed health care bill could not and would not pass muster under the current reconciliation rules, which were established under my watch.

"Yet a bill structured to reduce deficits by, for example, finding savings in Medicare or lowering health care costs, may be consistent with the Budget Act, and appropriately considered under reconciliation."

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Leivhymsn, here is the story you claim never appeared in the Houston Chronicle

http://blogs.chron.com/houstonpolitics/2008/07/houston_donor_makes_brownsvill.html

the Dems cannot win because you find it easier to put your head in the sand than confront the problem -

go ahead blow off the LRGV - this is typical Austin politics - the LRGV deserves nothing - so be it

Posted by: bobbywc | March 5, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

elijah24:

It's good that you think Bush's nominees shouldn't have been filibustered. Now care to answer my questions to you:

1) You are aware that the Dems screaming bloody murder when the GOP almost "rammed through" Bush's judicial nominees, right?

2) Was that "idiotic" or a "whine" to you as well?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Once a law is enacted, you play by the new rules. this seems to escape Liberals. Otherwise please send your bush tax cuts for the wealthy back to the treasury.

Elijah rewrites the pledge:

I pledge allegience to the flag
of the United States of Barack
And to the Majority rule
it stands for
one party, under nancy, with health care and houses and food and education and heat and cars and tvs and internet and libraries and windmills for all.

Posted by: drivl | March 5, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

If Bunning was so interested in paying for legislation as you go, why did he not support the "Pay As You Go" legislation proposed by Dems last year? Did this Jim Bunning not know that Jim Bunning?

Posted by: elijah24 | March 5, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman, while I totally support getting rid of Mr. goodhair, you do not win elections by ignoring reality.

The LRGV has not voted since 1990 and the Dems have lost every election since plain and simple. Until the State Party and White denounce what is happening in South Texas they will remain out of power - unless the truth about Perry comes out - I am 100% in support of telling the truth about Perry.

Again you do not like the story so you make excuses that it is not real.

They are called politiqueras - they get paid by the number of mail-ballots they collect for each candidate. they fill in the canditate's name and only their name.

they then promise to mail the mail in ballots for the seniors. But first they take them to the candidate to get paid. Candidates actually pay for the stamps which is legal.

This is not new is South Texas - Johnson won on the back of the graveyard vote.

The DA is Starr country say a problem with the mail in ballots turned in - he called in the Texas rangers - there are no missinbg ballots - just a lot of ballots for one candidate filled in by the same person.

I actually worked on an election contest in Dallas for 6 years on this issue - I take no shame I won the case for the person who won by the fraud - by the time I realized what happened it was too late t withdraw. The otherside would have won had hey simply played by the rules - they did not - we never won on the merits - we won on legal issues wherein one bad judge after another ignored the law.

You can pretend this does not exist, but it does and to the credit of the people of the LRGV we want it stopped.

Posted by: bobbywc | March 5, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's lack of leadership is to blame."

I agree totally. Obama should have told Senator Max Baucus last August to stop wasting the nation's time tryiny to court Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, and Chuck Graslly and just move the bill to a vote instead of allowing month long stalling by McConnell. If he thought that either McConnel or the GOP Senate were or would ever act in good faith was naive. Apparently he was unaware of the stranglehold that Senator McConnell has on his caucus. I think the rest of us in the country knew precisely how McConnell and the GOP would deal with any HC bill, regardless of the numbers of concessions Baucus made. The GOP demagogued Medicare and SS why should we now expect them to act like grownups.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

drivl:

LOL!!!

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1:

YOU were the one who only posted some of the letter (I was providing the REST, as I said), so who is "dispicable" again?

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Based on your prose, I would say that the education you think you got, failed you.

Seems like you have zero understanding of the three branches of government, their purpose and the form of Republic we have here in the US.

don't feel bad. there is a certain "constitutional scholar" (really a community organizer) that has no understanding of these things either.

Posted by: drivl | March 5, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Whoever had Wednesday as the day dribbl would finally be committed can collect the pool money.

since she has not been seen on this blog much, we can only assume that the system has finally caught up with her and for her own good, started feeding and bathing her regularly.


Next pool is guessing the day Ped gets locked up for his perverse predilections. side bet that he/she will end up in a foreign prison instead.

Posted by: drivl
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drivl - I thought, despite Jim Bunning, who so meanly wanted pay as you go upheld, that the unemployment benefits were extended and she could pay her internet provider and stay on the blog. I miss glowing comments about the new progressive "print as you go" programs.

Posted by: leapin | March 5, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Drivl, clearly you were born here...last night. So let me spell it out for you. There are two types of authority: Majority Rule, and Minority Rule.
Examples of Majority rule are primarily represented in Democracy or a Republic. They are governments that are primarily (though not perfectly) of the people, by the people and for the people.
Examples of Minority rule would be a monarch, or an oligarchy. They tend to be governments of the elect, by the elect, for the elect (not to be confused with the electED). And screw the poor.
Our country was founded as the former. Republicans right now are trying very hard to turn it into the latter.
By the way I was born in Indiana and I do suffer from education, part of which was a study of Marx. That education allows me to distenguish between what he wanted and what the American Democratic Party is pushing for. Maybe you should suffer from education too.

Posted by: elijah24 | March 5, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm always a little surprised that the GOP base isn't worshipping Obama. Not the Tea Party rural, lower class, middle-class-wannabes. They are just GOP tools. I'm talking the real base -- corporations, management, stockholders, the wealthy. THAT is the base. And look what Obama has done in just 13 months: the stock market is way up (the well-to-do can look at their protfolios and smile again); manufacturing is up; retail sales were up; unemployment has stalled and appears to be ready to turn a corner; TAXES are down!

So why is the Party of NO so sulky? And why are they feeding the paranoia of nut-jobs with airplanes and guns?

Posted by: margaretmeyers | March 5, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

nice cut and paste jake:" The editorial correctly quoted me as saying in the spring of 2009 that using reconciliation to enact a huge health care package would “violate the intent and spirit of the budget process…”

unfortunately you once again refuse to paste the rest of what Byrd actually stated in Politico yesterday(notice unlike you, I posted the link of his entire letter). Being ignorant jake is excusable. Going out of your way to deliberately lie,and bloviate and leave out the entirety of Senator Byrd's actual statement is worse then a lie, it is dispicable.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Whoever had Wednesday as the day dribbl would finally be committed can collect the pool money.

since she has not been seen on this blog much, we can only assume that the system has finally caught up with her and for her own good, started feeding and bathing her regularly.


Next pool is guessing the day Ped gets locked up for his perverse predilections. side bet that he/she will end up in a foreign prison instead.

Posted by: drivl | March 5, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

mark, again go to the Brownsville Voice and e-mail me - I have something for you on Perry -

In Texas these turkeys have it figured out - if you want to make sure the press does not cover the story make sure Dems and Repubs have equal exposure - the newspapers are always covering for one over the other - so when both are exposed the story is termed not newsworthy.

there is no doubt that money flows in Texas and corruption rules every decision - the people of the LRGV may be the original Tea party - the rest of the nation is just now getting caught up on the problem of nothing changes and both sides are corrupt.

The LRG has not voted since before 94' and the Dems are paying the price - unfortunately for the rank and file who want Dems elected they fail to realize that the State party in Austin has resolved that better to protect the corrupt in South Texas than chance loosing an election - they seem to not understand that haven't won teh governors house since 1990 - they are already loosing every election

Posted by: bobbywc | March 5, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1


I agree - however Byrd is saying that any fixes have to be centered on "deficit reduction" - not any policy changes in the bill.


Which means the House really can not ask for any substantial changes.

Forget it.

Just forget it.

Nancy is going to think she is getting close to the vote - AND THEN some of the staff of the moderate democrats are going to come out with some memo stating what is really in the Senate bill - there are going to be a bunch of points which just stop the whole process.


The entire negotitation process between the House and the Senate has been short-changed.


Obama's lack of leadership is to blame.

The democrats are to blame for putting a guy in there with such little experience - and who clearly does not know what he is doing - even when it is obvious that he must switch to the economy, his ego-drive dominates and all of a sudden there is health care 24/7.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

sorry Bobby the TeaParty isn't going to stay home and everyone expects a large turnout by them.

There is nothing in the Houston Dallas or Austin papers nor anything I see on the internet about your purely local story. Again the $11 billion dollar deficit, exploding property taxes and drop out rates, not what I see as nonstories are what is on local Nov voters. Not questioning what you posted as bags of absentee ballots taken to the Denver Post Office in 2004 when I was working in his Colorado campaign for John Kerry suddenly disappeared w/o explanation. There are often stories of lost ballots however which usually turn out to be innocent clerical errors or computer gliches and not something sinister.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Elijah

since you are clearly not born here and suffer from some sort of Marxist education, I will spell it out for you.

We are a Republic, not quite yet a banana republic. that means that democracy is not the answer. We do not accept the tyranny of the majority (good case in point with comrade Barry). It is meant to be slow. It is meant to be cooperative and wide ranging. we accomodate your plebian notions in the House.

If it is such a good idea, then most Senators will agree. but this health care bill is not spo they don't. Easy enough even for a liberal to understand.

Posted by: drivl | March 5, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

zouk drone war is big business in the Columbia River Gorge.

The tiny jerk water town of Bingen Washington is now filled with heavy duty trucks stuffed with electronic equipment. Guess what color they are, gloss black (sorry Scrivener). The company is Insitu, the drone research group now owned by Boeing. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Sustainable jobs? Maybe better than pears and cherries. Thanks to NAFTA oh forget it, different topic.

Anyway, extra-judicial, extra-territorial killing is becoming the rule. Sending in assassins is so medieval.


Posted by: shrink2 | March 5, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

(The rest of said letter -- not in the New York Times -- in which Sen. Byrd admits that the ENTIRE Obamacare bill, just like Hillarycare before, would not be appropriate for reconciliation):

It has been said that a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. In the Daily Mail’s March 2 editorial regarding health care reform legislation, “Using reconciliation would hurt Democrats: Choking off debate is no way to muscle through health legislation,” the newspaper’s misunderstanding of congressional procedures misinforms readers who, in rapidly increasing numbers, find themselves unable to obtain or afford medical insurance.

The editorial correctly quoted me as saying in the spring of 2009 that using reconciliation to enact a huge health care package would “violate the intent and spirit of the budget process…”

(Again, I await to see what -- if anything -- is submitted via the reconciliation process, and if anyone else has a question about that, let me know).

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Jake, I got a shocker for you: I don't think anyone on that list should have been fillibustered. I do think the Dems were wrong to use it on appointments. I do think the GOP should have ended the fillibuster. And I feel the same way about a certain southern GOP Senator doing the same thing to this president.
I don't like the filibuster anyway. Consider this: Alaska and Wyoming have as much power in the senate as California and Texas, even though you could fit the population of Alaska and Wyoming in to Cowboys Stadium. So already the lower populated states are over-represented in the Senate. Add to that that most of the lowest populated states are red-states, and give them a fillibuster, and it becomes clear that the fillibuster overwhelmingly favors Conservatives, despite the fact that for a short time liberals misused it.

Posted by: elijah24 | March 5, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Though Mr. Obama is willing to admit his country’s failings, he is quite ruthless about blowing its enemies to scraps. American drones fired missiles at suspected Taliban and al-Qaeda leaders in Pakistan’s tribal areas 55 times last year, killing hundreds of jihadists and who knows how many civilians. This year, the killing has accelerated; so far more than a dozen strikes have been reported. Mr. Obama orders assassinations at a far brisker pace than George Bush ever did . . .


A recent Washington Post investigation of Mr. Obama’s war against al-Qaeda leaders abroad found “dozens of targeted killings and no reports of high-value detentions” by American forces.

Not hard to figure out Obama’s reasoning here. Whatever your opinion of the man’s personality (my opinion: spoiled-brat soft-hands yuppie narcissist), he’s a pretty good political athlete. Now, captured terrorists are nothing but political trouble — Guantanamo Bay trouble, KSM-trial trouble, torture-allegations trouble. Better to just waste the suckers in situ. Shame about the civilians, but you can’t fight a war without killing civilians, it’s a fact of life. Sure, we lose some intel, but net-net it’s a political win. And what’s the intel worth, anyway? They’re all liars.

I think this is an excellent policy, and the president has my wholehearted support here. Really.

Posted by: drivl | March 5, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

mark I spoke with John Sharp personally at a fundraiser several days before he lost to Perry and he was furious with how a mysterious 1 million dollars of unaccounted contributions showed up the last week of his campaign against Rick Perry and was being used in slash and burn commercials in the valley. That million dollar expenditure was the likely reason Perry first beat Sharp in a nail biter race, and why I get suspicious when I hear these weird stories about the Valley politics and Rick Perry.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I love when racists like the corner try to slip their bigotry into every-day conversation.
For the record: I never said the Stupak Amendment was STILL in the bill. Stupak himself is trying to get his amendment back into the bill. So again, you just don't get it.

Posted by: elijah24 | March 5, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

The entire health care debate process has been halted - when the votes were taken in both the Senate and the House - all parties were under the impression that there would be substantial negotiations which would produce a compromise bill.

In law, that may fall under "mistake."

Which means, they were voting to move the process forward, with the understanding that the final law would be something significantly different.

NOW the Senate is stuck with their own bill - which no changes - any Senators who believed that the final bill would be closer to the House bill have now been stuck with something that they did NOT believe they were getting.

Same in the House - the entire process has changed - from "we are going to negotiate this out" to "we have to take the Senate version with some fixes."

THAT IS NOT HOW THIS GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.

The Stupak Amendment was not handled properly either - we have a situation in which there has been substantial lying going on about what is in the bill, and what is not in the bill.


The Bishops were called in - there was a compromise with the Bishops - however the democrats never got their side together enough to have everyone on board with the amendment. That is really bad.


This health care process has not been connected properly.


We have committee votes in which everyone around the vote says "don't worry about the provisions in this bill, because this is not the final bill."


We have had floor votes in which similiar statement are made - "this is not the final bill."

Then all of a sudden - THE SENATE BILL IS THE FINAL BILL - OK there are fixes.

However this Senate bill was not arrived at by the usual process -

Whenever the normal process is subverted to such an extent, it is not a good idea to proceed. It just isn't.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

what an embarrassing waste of time this comments section has become. populated entirely by the most boring people alive.

Posted by: drindl | March 5, 2010 1:29 PM

leave and make it better

Posted by: doof | March 5, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

mark, thanks for helping with the clarification

again e-mail and I will give you somethin gbig on Perry.

Leichtman if you go back to my original post I said if the Tea party people stay home this would help White.

The LRGV is more than cameron County - this week it was announced in Starr county the Texas rangers were called in because of the theft of mail-ballots from seniors citizens - again the corrupt democrats

The LRGV will not vote until the Dems at the State level denounce the corruption plain and simple.

But if the truth comes out about Perry or the Tea party stays home, White wins

Bobby Wc

Posted by: bobbywc | March 5, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

this is what Sen Byrd actually said. Believe his actual words:

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0310/Byrd_defends_reconciliation_to_finish_health_reform.html

"I believed then, as now, that the Senate should debate the health reform bill under regular rules, which it did. The result of that debate was the passing of a comprehensive health care reform bill in the Senate by a 60-vote supermajority. "

I continue to support the budget reconciliation process for deficit reduction. The entire Senate- or House- passed health care bill could not and would not pass muster under the current reconciliation rules, which were established under my watch.

"Yet a bill structured to reduce deficits by, for example, finding savings in Medicare or lowering health care costs, may be consistent with the Budget Act, and appropriately considered under reconciliation."

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I prefer that people pay attention to my accidental representations.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 5, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Leapin

I hear the next speech is the most important speech ever read to man from a teleprompter.

MSDNC has promised to run it in its entirety, since losing all 6 viewers is really not that bad. all other network viewers have switched over to home shopping instead.

Posted by: drivl | March 5, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!! If anyone else reads that letter from Sen. Byrd and doesn't see where he HIMSELF admits that passing all of Obamacare via reconciliation would be inappropriate, let me know.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"Today is March 5"

Bipartisan agreement, I hear Kumbaya.

Also, speaking of frigid, just like those boats zouk mentioned, the house Elin Nordigen bought on a Sweedish island is surrounded by ice during the Winter and has no indoor plumbing. You don't have to be a psychiatrist to see what is up with that.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 5, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Somebody nudge 37th. The needle is stuck again.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 5, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter and JackD2


Senator Byrd issued a statement - apparently because he was upset about an article in a London paper which characterized his position on reconciliation.


Byrd has not changed his position - this is his quote :


"I continue to support the budget reconciliation process for deficit reduction."

So issues of policy are outside of the debate.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

another jake lie:
"but Sen. Byrd says it would not be appropriate for Obamacare). "

Sen. Byrd said just the opposite in a letter printed in the New York Times this a.m. but hey jake thinks that all he has to do is lie and everyone will buy into his deliberate mirespresentations.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

what an embarrassing waste of time this comments section has become. populated entirely by the most boring people alive.

Posted by: drindl
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Although I'm not boring I'll try to say something interesting before the next BO speech is on.

Hope and Change.

Let me be perfectly clear...

Make no mistake about...

I reject the false choice that some would...

I have ordered my team to...

Posted by: leapin | March 5, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman AND Bobby - My fellow Texans, I do not think it impossible for a D to win TX with no turnout in the LRGV. It just will be very difficult. White could conceivably get the Dallas, Austin, and Houston votes necessary, plus a lot of rural folks who are still P.O.'d at RP for the eminent domain veto and the toll roads fiasco might stay home. Maybe.

I am gonna work for White. But my work in Austin will be focused on turnout.

Some day the Valley will wake up, but not soon, and not with state parties that are both at peace with the patron system.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 5, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

More green looniness:

Global warming has struck again:

Thirty to 40 ships — including several passenger ships — were stuck Thursday in ice off the coast of Sweden, said a spokesman for the Maritime Search and Rescue Center in Gothenburg, Sweden. … The center identified one of the passenger ships as the Amorella, with 753 passengers and 190 crew members.
According to Tommy Gardebring, press officer with the Swedish Maritime Administration:

"It has been a lot colder than normal in the southern parts of the Baltic sea … the ice breakers that normally operate haven't been able to cope with the ice, which is why we are sending additional ice breakers."
To think that only last weekend, the esteemed scientist Al Gore was yelling about "the speed with which the Arctic ice cap is disappearing."

Posted by: drivl | March 5, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter:

I'm waiting to see what bill they try to get through reconciliation before pronouncing judgment.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Anyway - great point to the person here who said that the democrats had a good week because only 36,000 people lost their jobs.
Posted by: 37thand0street
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Well I can't take credit for what Scary Reid said. However it doesn't seem like Scary should be using the word "good" in any context considering the devastation to these families.

Posted by: leapin | March 5, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

in dribbl's world the blog would be much better if it and only it could post its tedious cut and pastes from rabid lefty loon blogs.

Posted by: drivl | March 5, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

what an embarrassing waste of time this comments section has become. populated entirely by the most boring people alive.

Posted by: drindl | March 5, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Elijah


Obama and his affirmative action cronies have made statement as if the Stupak amendment was still in the bill. It is not. Look at Pages 2069-2078.

At this point, Obama appears to be lying to the country.

Right now, the bill takes a dollar a month from some group - and puts it in a fund to pay for abortions - that is FEDERAL FUNDING OF ABORTION.

That is totally different from what the Hyde amendment says.

I know it is confusing, because Obama is lying to you - and his Secretary of Human Services Sebelius when out there and lied too.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman, Bobby is a reform activist in the Valley. He is at war with the obviously corrupt establishment. But he is not an R. The megavitamins were part of his response to my inquiry about his health - he has been in a continuing struggle.

Like Bobby, I do not believe the LRGV is a threat to produce votes in any numbers because it is a demoralized demographic, used to a level of corruption worthy of a banana republic. Chicanos vote in Houston and in Austin but not in the LRGV.

Bobby is angry that White sought support from the Brownsville establishment. It's hold on the populace is dependent in part on TX Ds looking the other way [and then wondering where all those votes were that never showede up].

However, I am corresponding with BWC to see if he has got any useful information about RP's [bad] dealings in the Valley. Everybody treats them like the despised stepchild, to be used and abused. Unless you read the McAllen and Brownsville papers on line you cannot get any news of the Valley in TX.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 5, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1:

Then I guess it's a good thing I never said that Dems are proposing to end the filibuster by using reconciliation -- what I said was that those are two separate procedures, if you were actually reading -- the GOP never threatened to do away with the filibuster completely either, just for judicial nominees (which the Senate has the CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY to advise and consent on, and why I think that threat was more justified than what the Dems are doing now).

The "difference" I was referring to was that the GOP never carried out their threat. Despite Sen. Byrd (D-SC) saying that reconciliation shouldn't be used for Obamacare, it seems as if the Dems are going to do it anyways.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"This bill was another rush job & is a horror."
"Rightfully, the GOP wants to start writing a health care bill from scratch so that it will be much less expensive, save seniors from Medicare slashes, and other corrections. Obama has taken that as a statement that they will not cooperate & he doesn't want the Senate to take [ he calls it "waste"] any more time on getting a bill signed. Rush, rush, rush!"


Debate about HC started during the Truman Administration almost 70 years ago. To Rs who controlled Congress under Bush and never submuitted a HC bill, 70 years is rush rush rush i.e. maybe they can drag it on 100 years or until exploding HC costs completely crush our coporations' competitiveness and bankrupt our citizens. Tackling 39% annual HC premium increases should wait what another 30, 50 or 70 years according to the GOP.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ModerateVoter | March 5, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Today is March 5 - to all the democrats who believe the damage "is already done."

Right at this moment, Obama can drop the health care gambit -


And Obama can start to work on the economy and jobs - which is what the American people want.

If Obama continues to try to jam the bill through, whether or not he gets it, he is hurting the democratic party more and more.

If you believe "the damage is already done" check back a day after the election and see if you still believe that.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not going to gain anything by pushing through this health care bill - the ability to point to a bill which no one wants is not a really good selling point.


Obama is making a serious mistake.


Republicans are going to be running around, giving plans on how to repeal Obama's bill - or defund it. The bill will not survive. So as a practical matter, this exercise matters little.


Obama's best chance is to let the bill die - and move on to what the American People are telling him is important.


Instead, Obama is continuing with an agenda which the American people do NOT want - Obama is ignoring the economy - Obama is distracting the Congress and the press from the real issues facing the country. This is Hoover all over again - a person who is obsessed with idealogy and who is unable to react to what the economy needs.


Obama is the second coming of Hoover.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you just leave - that would address your complaints - and the people who banned you.
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Posted by: 37thand0street

He has the same issue at local playgrounds and chuckee cheese.

Posted by: drivl | March 5, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Moderate Voter:

Yes. The filibuster is still intact, isn't it? "Reconciliation" is an established procedure that BOTH SIDES have used (but Sen. Byrd says it would not be appropriate for Obamacare). Invoking cloture is a different procedure however.

Posted by: JakeD2


Where and when did he say it could not be used for the HCR? I must have missed that.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | March 5, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we aren't in disagreement on what the Hyde Amendment does, but whether it's enough? Stupack would limit abortion to those who could afford it out of pocket. I'm sure you think that's a good thing, and would happily take it away from the rich too, but it isn't right. and about 60% of the country agree with me about that. Whether abortion is ok or not, who has access to it should not be decided by money. Like any medical procedure, it should be decided by need. I don't have a problem with the government not paying for abortion. But I have a big problem with those who accept government help, having their right to a medical procedure taken away as a result.
BTW, You didn't say anything about backdooring this issue through an unrelated bill, instead of addressing it directly.
I'm gonna go look at your list now. BRB

Posted by: elijah24 | March 5, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

the difference jake is that there is no nuclear option being proposed by anyone other than you and your right wing friends.

Here is what the nuclear option is, but hey don't ever let facts get in the way of the truth:

"Republican leadership, frustrated by the obstruction of Bush judicial nominees, threatened to remove the option of filibuster by unleashing the “Nuclear Option”, also known as the constitutional option."

its an absolute lie to say that Ds are proposing to end the filibuster by using reconciliation. I would have no problem with that if they did and urged them to do so in 2003. Interesting how excited Mitch McConnel and you were screaming Up or Down vote when it fit your agenda.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

TO jakeD2...."rammed thru" means just that, as in running with a huge ram to ram down a door. My dictionary explains "ram" as being a "driving force". Obama, the man who takes his own good time in doing things
uses his "get it done yesterday" rhetoric with his followers whenever they weigh their thoughts, rather than give him what he wants when he wants it. He did this with the stimulus bill which carried over $800 billion in earmarks & ended up as a gift to the banks & Wall St. He did it again when the Senate wasn't giving him a health care bill soon enough. This bill was another rush job & is a horror.
Rightfully, the GOP wants to start writing a health care bill from scratch so that it will be much less expensive, save seniors from Medicare slashes, and other corrections. Obama has taken that as a statement that they will not cooperate & he doesn't want the Senate to take [ he calls it "waste"] any more time on getting a bill signed. Rush, rush, rush!
He tells the Democrats that they should not consider the risk to their being voted out of office, they should just get this bill going & have it done by March 18th. What about the risk that this bill will do to our country?
Did he tell them to consider that this bill is a horror & is costing about double what he said it would, that this bill is absolutely unaffordable?
Did he tell them that lobbyists and their insurance & drug bosses got another boost
from this bill? Did he tell them that bribes & preferential treatment is rampant in this bill? Did he mention all the other wrong things that were put into this bill when nay sayers were bribed to vote for a bill they did not like? They didn't like it, why should we?
Voters in N.J., Va., & Mass. had their say about this plan by voting out the Dems in their elections. Other Dems are jumping ship.
If the Dems " don't consider the risk" of their being dumped come election, we are doomed to have another GOP majority in Congress. What happened in Mass. will happen all over the nation. After their rule in which seniors were attacked in their Medicare/Prescription Act & their bill of 2006, in their favoritism to insurance companies & pharmaceuticals, in their "no taxes" mentality which got us into our financial mess originally, we should be smart enough to keep those in the GOP from such power again.
Voters, however, aren't always smart, as evidenced by the current administration or the previous administration, either. We Americans are in deep trouble with no choice to get away from these politicians who seem to feel that they owe their Party
& lobbyists more than they owe their constituents . Where is a Shining Knight to come to our rescue?

Posted by: afed27 | March 5, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

When a White House statement refers to a "bedrock principle," it means something slushy and soft and not really a principle at all, but a gimmick, still one more fraud to fool the public, a joke of the kind that must keep presidential aides rolling on the floor in laughter at all the fools who cheer them on.

The "principle" referred to was what would bind Congress if it passed a pay-as-you go law: It could then "only spend a dollar if it saves a dollar elsewhere." But when the legislation actually became law and Sen. Jim Bunning of Kentucky tried to have Congress observe its provisions, the Democrats were outraged and Vice President Joe Biden portrayed the Republican in one reported interview as inhumane.

The special sadness in all of this is the hypocrisy of a president who just recently sold paygo as a mighty step toward fiscal responsibility. Not only was Biden then turned loose on an honest man trying to make paygo work, but the whole paygo law is by and large a con game to begin with. It can be waived with flimsy excuse and seems to exempt virtually every other budgetary sentence that begins with a capital and ends with a period.

George W. Bush was a big spender, but hardly the last of them: A think tank analyst points out that President Obama increased the federal budget in his first year by about as much as Bush in eight. The stimulus bill alone cost as much as the Iraq war. Obama's latest budget is for $3.8 trillion with a deficit of $1.56 trillion. He has raised the debt ceiling some $2 trillion to $14.3 trillion, and Investor's Business Daily says the projected $45 trillion in spending this coming decade will be a much as all U.S. budgets from the beginning of the Republic in the 18th century to 2006.

We are faced with calamity, and the Obama administration plays games with words while Congress cannot even offset new benefits with a $10 billion savings?

It's time to start worrying, fellow Americans. Really worrying.

Posted by: drivl | March 5, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Moderate Voter:

Yes. The filibuster is still intact, isn't it? "Reconciliation" is an established procedure that BOTH SIDES have used (but Sen. Byrd says it would not be appropriate for Obamacare). Invoking cloture is a different procedure however.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Another R with amnesia. From the Wallstreet Journal an obvious liberal publication. Apparently you selpt through 2008 leapin.

"Job loss: Worst in 34 years
Employers slashed 598,000 more jobs in January 2009"
when Obama being sworn in.
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U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics – Jobs Created
2003 - 87,000
2004 – 2,000,000
2005 – 2,500,000
2006 – 2,100,000

2010 - Well the census is coming up

Posted by: leapin | March 5, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

ON the unemployment rate


The snowstorms could have worked both ways - instead of increasing unemployment, it could have slowed down lay-offs - because people could not get to work, they could not decide to lay people off.


Anyway - great point to the person here who said that the democrats had a good week because only 36,000 people lost their jobs.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Late last year, Democrats were marveling at how close they were to historic health-care reform, noting how much agreement had been achieved among so many factions. The only remaining detail was how to pay for it.

Well, yes. That has generally been the problem with democratic governance: cost. The disagreeable absence of a free lunch.

so simple a Lib could understand it. And most in congress now do. Not barry though.

Posted by: drivl | March 5, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

....That being said, the GOP did not go through with the nuclear option. See the difference?!

Posted by: JakeD2

You sure GOP never used the nuclear option?

Posted by: ModerateVoter | March 5, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

elijah24:

As I said, that would be news to Miguel Estrada, Carolyn B. Kuhl, William J. Haynes II, Michael Wallace, Henry Saad, William Myers, Paul S. Diamond, Loretta A. Preska and Philip P. Simon (and many more who were NEVER given an "up or down" vote even when they had MAJORITY support in the U.S. Senate as a whole). If you really don't know those names, perhaps a quick trip to Google would help you get up to speed on the issue.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman, you are not reading my wors - vitamin was a spelling correction.

As Mark noted, you cannot win texas as a Dem without south Texas - South Texas has not voted since before 1994 because of teh corruption in the Democratic Party - White got in bed with them - it will cost him -

Posted by: bobbywc | March 5, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Noacoler

You have been banned three times - and yet you come back and complain some more.

Why don't you just leave - that would address your complaints - and the people who banned you.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

This was actually a good week for Democrats. Worse is coming for them.

Only three of their number resigned, went to jail, were convicted of something, abused the power, etc.

It is going to be 3-5 every week. the truth is bubbling up finally.

Posted by: drivl | March 5, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

elijah24:

#1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_judicial_appointment_controversies#List_of_stalled.2C_blocked_or_filibustered_nominees

#2
You just admitted that the Hyde Amendment does not keep anyone who receives any government help with anything (including health-care) from using ANY funds to pay for abortion. Unless you think that abortion is never covered by healthcare insurance, it IS indeed a legitimate subject of this proposed legislation. So, I'm not sure how that doesn't answer your question, but feel free to explain further.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

They didn't do the "nuclear option" because the Dems backed down and allowed the nominees to pass.

Posted by: elijah24 | March 5, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter:

Threatening the "nuclear option" when the Dems filibustered Bush's judicial nominees was MORE justified back then than the Dems now threatening the same "nuclear option" on the Obamacare filibuster. That being said, the GOP did not go through with the nuclear option. See the difference?!

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

#1: what list?
#2: I believe I brought this up the other day, but maybe not to you, so I'll bring it up again: Please explain to me the logic of denying the effect of the Hyde Amendment, then demanding that the same body that wrote it, write another one. The Stupack amendment isn't about keeping federal funds from funding abortion. The Hyde Ammendment already does that. Stupack is trying to keep anyone who recieves any government help with anything (including health-care) from using ANY funds to pay for abortion. It's a back-door around the SCOTUS decision of Roe v. Wade. If you or Congressman Stupack want to make that case, thats fine. What I don't respect is the attempt to shoe-horn it into a bill that has nothing to do with that issue.

Posted by: elijah24 | March 5, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

makeitwright:

"If Rick Perry gets re elected, when does Texas succeed form [SIC] the union?"

Just as soon as Obamacare funds abortions.

"Having been born in Texas, will I need a passport to visit my family?"

Yes.

"Can I hold dual citizenship?"

I doubt that they will make an exception for you.

"Will GW and his dad still be considered U.S. citizens?"

Yes (they were born in Connecticut and Massachusetts, respectively. Was Obama born in Hawaii?)

"Can we ask for repayment for federal funds given to the new nation?"

You can ask.

"Can we set up immigration laws to ban right wing nuts from entering the U.S. from Texas?"

Of course.

"Will that also pertain to future president Perry?"

Same as President Jefferson Davis.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"Job loss: Worst in 34 years
Employers slashed 598,000 more jobs in January 2009"

when Obama being sworn in.

Posted by: leichtman1
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Like with spending more is a good thing with Obamanation.

Posted by: leapin | March 5, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

As they say in the addiction Recovery circles, we are right where we need to be.

If the economy improved any faster it would only be due to some massive spending on the part of someone who does not have that money (borrowed time is borrowed money, in other words). We don't need any pink clouds.

The nice set of charts on the right side of this page tells the story:

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/05/is-the-recovery-losing-steam/

We don't want or need tons of housing starts right away, we don't need any more bubbles; we want consumers to get out of debt before they start spending money (money they actually own) again.

A sustainable recovery is a slow recovery.
The damage done in the Republican "lost decade" (no GDP or job growth) is going to get better, but it is going to take until the next Presidential election before the country can allow itself to be happy about its situation.

Then, everyone can ask themselves, were you better off in 2000 and even 2004 than you were in 2008? More important, are you better off in 2012 than you were in 2008?

The 2016 election will be interesting, but 2012 will be a walkover. That is why I don't think Republicans are too worried about their laughable field of candidates, it won't matter who loses.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 5, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

@JakeD2

Not talking about Bush's judicial nominees. I always felt they should have an up or down vote.

I am talking about that the Dems are returning the favor and the Repubs crying about it. I am not saying it is right what both sides have done.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | March 5, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

elijah24:

1) Take a look at the list I just posted and feel free to make the argument that those were all "extreme circumstances".

2) Stopping abortions from being funded under Obamacare is an "extreme circumstance" (at least to me and Rep. Stupak ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why Dems are getting upset by 'Tea Baggers' and thier influence in the Republican party. 'Tea Baggers' are forcing the Reps into the right wing wilderness that moderates and independant voters will not go ( check out the Texas Gov. race). So, progressive Dems should be overwelmed with joy over the infuence from any far right group like the 'Tea Baggers, Birthers, and social conservatives who are ripping the GOP apart like the liberals did to the Dems years ago.
Go Palin, please run again.

Posted by: dutterback2000 | March 5, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

If Rick Perry gets re elected, when does Texas succeed form the union? Having been born in Texas, will I need a passport to visit my family? Can I hold dual citizenship? Will GW and his dad still be considered U.S. citizens? Can we ask for repayment for federal funds given to the new nation? Can we set up immigration laws to ban right wing nuts from entering the U.S. from Texas? Will that also pertain to future president Perry?

Posted by: makeitwright | March 5, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

ModerateVoter:

So, you think that the GOP "rammed through" Miguel Estrada, Carolyn B. Kuhl, William J. Haynes II, Michael Wallace, Henry Saad, William Myers, Paul S. Diamond, Loretta A. Preska and Philip P. Simon?! That will certainly come as a surprise to them (plenty more were delayed over two years before getting an "up or down vote" ; )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_judicial_appointment_controversies#List_of_stalled.2C_blocked_or_filibustered_nominees

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

don t know or care about your politics bobby but if you think White's election will be decided about some story about vitamins or some story in Cameron Cty you must be smoking something.
Texas will have an $11 billion dollar short fall next year, expolding drop out rates and out of control property taxes. Somehow as a long time Texas political activist I suspect those concerns just might trump your stories about vitamins and Cameron Cty that absolutely no one in Houston has ever heard of. You think?

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"The words "rammed through" means bypassing NORMAL RULES set in place to protect the minority. You are aware that the Dems screaming bloody murder when the GOP almost "rammed through" Bush's judicial nominees, right? Was that "idiotic" or a "whine" to you? Grow up."
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But they aren't the "normal rules". Prior to the last two congresses, the fillibuster was only used in extreme circumstances, and 50%+1 was adaquate, unless it was an extremely controversial act. And protection for the minority is fine, but not at the expense of allowing them to have power over the majority. Either way, it doesn't matter. Whether it is "rammed through" or it passes by a majority of any size, it is going to pass, and you are going to whine about it. Sometimes you have to accept a loss.

Posted by: elijah24 | March 5, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

My 2nd grade teacher always said "if you have a problem with the world, the problem probably isn't the world."

Posted by: elijah24 | March 5, 2010 10:27 AM


should send obama to that school.

Posted by: doof | March 5, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Another R with amnesia. From the Wallstreet Journal an obvious liberal publication. Apparently you selpt through 2008 leapin.


"Job loss: Worst in 34 years
Employers slashed 598,000 more jobs in January 2009"

when Obama being sworn in.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The words "rammed through" means bypassing NORMAL RULES set in place to protect the minority. You are aware that the Dems screaming bloody murder when the GOP almost "rammed through" Bush's judicial nominees, right? Was that "idiotic" or a "whine" to you? Grow up.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 12:11 PM

Lets be clear I am all for up and down votes. One Senator should not be able to hold things up for example.

What pisses me off is that the Republicans rammed things through and said tuff crap. The Dems are returning the favor now and the Republicans are getting a taste of their own medicine. Bitter is it not.

Lets be clear I do not like the behavior of either side in this. This is why nothing gets done. Nothing gets solved.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | March 5, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman1,

It is laughable beyond human comprehension to suggest I am a Perry hack - you know nothing about me.

Here is the deal.

http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/texas-88430-state-dec.html

Good question about why the Washington Post and Houston chron is running cover for the wrongdoers.

I can assure you they are also running cover for Perry - you simply have no idea how bad the American press has become.

Posted by: bobbywc | March 5, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

leapin:

Dingy Harry will add to the job losses personally on Election Day ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

What bad week?

As Scary Reid says “Only 36,000 lost their jobs today”. This is really a successful week for the D party. After all they become government dependents now.

Posted by: leapin | March 5, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Everyone knows the story ???

that is fascinating as neither The Houston Chronicle, Channel 2, 11 or 13 have ever said a word about this so called story. Sounds like more Perry bs but we are used to that having heard Perry's lies against Sharp down in the valley with similar types of made up stories. As to why there were more R votes in the primary simple: White had almost no primary competition and everyone I know presumed White would win a cakewalk which h did and 2. Many many D voters crossed over to support Hutchinson in hopes of forcing a runoff. In Austin there were also 2 very important Education races that only counted if Ds voted in the R primary. Also Texas has open primaries.

Posted by: leichtman1 | March 5, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

The only think I don't love about the Tea Parties is the violence they advocate. I worry that at some point, someone is gonna get hurt or killed. Otherwise, I say let your freak-flag fly!

==

thanks for the Graham Nash reference

Six posts in a row by 37th before any others, all repetitious unhinged junk. Then one post by another, then another string of garbage 37th posts. This place is a dumpster.

And CC's columns aren't any more worth reading, so blatantly slanted and false. Change the name to The Pit. Hope you fall hard, Cillizza.

Posted by: Noacoler | March 5, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Also, the Scott Brown election took the country by surprise, but were any regular readers of Chris C really all that shocked? We all saw it coming.

Posted by: DDAWD
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Yeah right, that's why the readers were calling it Teddy's seat and a sacred entitlement to the D party.

Posted by: leapin | March 5, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Mark,

vitamin - hey I had several exchanges with Bill White's son Bill - I begged him to stay away from the South Texas Democrats - I told him everything you and I know to be true - Bill White ran to them begging for their support. He was at the meeting where they drew names for the ballot.

It was sad - also being from Houston is not helping - it was a Houston engineering firm which billed the Brownsville Navigation District 21.4 million for a nonexistent bridge. the DA released them from criminal liability in exchange for 1 million dollars of taxpayer money paid to the engineering firm. Instead of restitution to the people who are now paying the bonds the money went to the DA's office.

Everyone knows the story and everyone knows Bill White has refused to denounce the engineering firm or the DA who is the marinero (cabinboy - but a bit worse when used in this context) of the Chair of the Cameron County Democratic Party.

White has made his bed and now he will pay the price.

Posted by: bobbywc | March 5, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

elijah24:

The words "rammed through" means bypassing NORMAL RULES set in place to protect the minority. You are aware that the Dems screaming bloody murder when the GOP almost "rammed through" Bush's judicial nominees, right? Was that "idiotic" or a "whine" to you? Grow up.

Posted by: JakeD2 | March 5, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

mark go to Brownsville voice and e-mail me - I will give you something on Perry.

Someday the news will cover the truth about the VA - it took 3 years for them to diagnose vitamine D deficiency - what a difference those mega doses did for me.

We also know mesenteric panniculitis is taking me down - the VA's chief lawyer has been great in helping me, but the VA in SA is a nightmare - after a radiologist verified my story about the quack they had me see they agreed to pay for an outside specialist

thanks for asking mark

As to White - he stood with the Cameron County Democrats - he went to their offices and spoke with them - it was a very high profile meeting.

Bobby WC

Posted by: bobbywc | March 5, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

"DDAWD,

I agree with you.
I used to read him for the same reason I read The Fix, to see what the Republicans are up to. But there is no point in Krauthammer's "work" anymore, just the usual winger talking points, straight out of the Republican motel room PowerPoint.

Posted by: shrink2"

While there might be a Republican bent to The Fix, I think it's a lot of the function of the subject matter, politics. Republicans do politics a lot better than Democrats. Even after trashing the country, Republicans look like they are on their way back.

But there's news here that I don't really see anywhere else.

Also, the Scott Brown election took the country by surprise, but were any regular readers of Chris C really all that shocked? We all saw it coming.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 5, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

The only think I don't love about the Tea Parties is the violence they advocate. I worry that at some point, someone is gonna get hurt or killed. Otherwise, I say let your freak-flag fly!

Posted by: elijah24 | March 5, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

This Obamacare bill is being rammed through and even the Dems who fail to see it know this is true.
==
Devildog, Please explain this to me. The words "rammed through", do they mean something other than majority rule? Do we not, as a nation favor majority rule over minority rule? Was a simple majority not enough to get the Bush tax-cuts "rammed through"?
You guys on the right can disapprove of the legislation all you like. You can make your case that it is socialism. You can say that it is taking money from future generations, and you will lose the vote, but your point will be founded at least somewhat in logic and reason.
Do you even know how idiotic you guys sound when you whine about majority rule?

Posted by: elijah24 | March 5, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

"The Tea Party movement may be a blessing in disguise for Democrats."

What disguise? We love it!

Posted by: shrink2 | March 5, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Bobby is correct, I am sure, about the LRGV vote. There will not be any. I meant to challenge CC on that point but forgot. Linda Chavez will be some help in SA, Austin, DFW, and Houston, if she campaigns heavily in the Texas Triangle. She might also raise votes elsewhere, but not in the Valley. Demoralized third world patron politics leads to low single digit turnouts.

Bobby, I think it is unfair to tar White with the "support" he gets in name only from the insiders.

BTW, how are you doing?

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 5, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

The Tea Party movement may be a blessing in disguise for Democrats. In states like Nevada, or even Texas or New York, disgruntled third party candidates could subtract votes from Republicans, as suggested in this story from Las Vegas.

Tea Party candidate could siphon GOP votes in Senate race
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BY J. PATRICK COOLICAN
One thing has become clear in the days since the mostly obscure political upstart Jon Scott Ashjian became a candidate for U.S. Senate: He’s no stooge of Sen. Harry Reid. Republicans are fearful Ashjian, running on the Tea Party of Nevada ballot line, will siphon Republican votes from their effort to take down the majority leader in his re-election bid this year.

Posted by: mesondk | March 5, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

How about soem real journalism in the "Perry White" race. Inside joke for us older folks.

It is correct that having a Latina on the ballot will help White - but only upstate Texas not in South Texas.

When Sanchez was the nominee for governor South Texas stayed home. When Noriega ran for US Senate - south Texas stayed home. Noriega also had on the top of the ballot another Latina running for the Texas Supreme Court. South Texas stayed home - south Texas is all too familiar with that Latina's support for the corrupt political machine in South Texas. Chicago has nothing on South Texas.

White, Noriega, and Sanchez all have one thing in common - they willingly embraced the corrupt politicians in South Texas.

South Texas has made it clear since before 1994 it will not vote until the Democrats do something about South Texas - White made it clear when he stood with these corrupt Democrats that he would not act against the corruption.

South Texas did not turn out in the primaries - unless there is a shocker about Perry, White is history - or the Tea Party people also stay home then White has chance.

Just this morning the story broke that cameron County DA Villalobos Democrat - White supporter - hired the attorney of someone on deathrow at the same time the attorney was still representing the deathrow inmate. This is politics south Texas style - this is what White supports

Posted by: bobbywc | March 5, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"...when everything he stood for was so thoroughly repudiated not just by the American public, but by reality in general."

And this is why more and more of them are shooting innocent people at the entrances to symbolic buildings. Obviously Chuck can't do that, but he is performing the intellectual equivalent.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 5, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Is it safe to come out from the Corner shadow yet?

The link to the Burka article at the end of #3 is worth it for the insight into TX politics. Most of you will bridle at the notion in the first paragraph that RP will be presidential material if he beats White in November.
Read further than that, please (if you do, you will understand better my lawyerly obligation to vote in the R Primary for Lehrman and against the SuperBozo Rick Green for the Supremes).

White must not only take RP seriously, he must come out swinging, from the biz friendly middle. Read what KBH did wrong and why RP is not to be underestimated as a pol, even if he is venal and not very bright. All of you know my antipathy toward him. I ask you not to underestimate him as a campaigner.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | March 5, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

We could compare how much he gets paid to write to your income ddawd. We could compare tv appearances.

Posted by: Moonbat | March 5, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

DDAWD,

I agree with you.
I used to read him for the same reason I read The Fix, to see what the Republicans are up to. But there is no point in Krauthammer's "work" anymore, just the usual winger talking points, straight out of the Republican motel room PowerPoint.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 5, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

37 is up at 6 and posting here all day long already?!!!

christ this guy is sick.

another day at the fix, just like every other day -- a column reveling in Bad News For Democrats...

it's no wonder all you get for posters is rightwing institution inmates, CC -- that's all that are interested in this shallow Beltway 'analysis.'

Posted by: drindl | March 5, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

This Obamacare bill is being rammed through and even the Dems who fail to see it know this is true.
All this wasted time and money to cover 30 million who could have been added to other entitlement programs already in place.
Medicare, Medicaid and VA! We need Insurance copmany reform at state levels and keep Feds out.

Posted by: usmc1969 | March 5, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

This Obamacare bill is being rammed through and even the Dems who fail to see it know this is true.
All this wasted time and money to cover 30 million who could have been added to other entitlement programs already in place.
Medicare, Medicaid and VA! We need Insurance copmany reform at state levels and keep Feds out.

Posted by: usmc1969 | March 5, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I needed a new page down key anyway.

Posted by: JakeD3 | March 5, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me or has Charles Krauthammer just freakin lost his mind? I never agreed with him, but I used to find him readable, but the column today was just like "what the hell??"

Referring to it as Obamacare?
Saying that there's no compromise in the bill?
The bill is being rammed through?

This is bush league Rush Limbaugh level stuff. I thought Krauthammer was supposed to be one of the intelligent ones.

I think that Krauthammer became so emotionally invested in Bush and his policies (this guy was once one of the leading neocons) that something snapped when everything he stood for was so thoroughly repudiated not just by the American public, but by reality in general.

He spent the last weeks of the Bush administration being a sort of hagiographer of the President. I stopped reading him regularly since his column just turned to garbage around then, and it seems like nothing has changed.

Posted by: DDAWD | March 5, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Delahunt's retirement made news NOWHERE except at the Washington Post which tries so hard to make it look like the biggest bad news in the whole world for the Dems. Duh! Not!

Posted by: pkbishop1 | March 5, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

This guy is going nowhere.
He says he doesn't know enough, no expertise sufficient to say, but he supports Paul Ryan's voucher plan to destroy Medicare.

Can you imagine, taking on Ron (frikin'!) Wyden on health care issues, while admitting his own ignorance? But I guess wing nut platitudes have worked to get other Republicans elected. This race won't be making The Fix Line anytime soon.

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2010/03/lewis_clark_law_professor_jim.html

Posted by: shrink2 | March 5, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Hmmmmmmm.... It's 2010, an election year for all members of the US House of Reps. Republicans as well as Democrats are retiring. Republicans as well as Democrats are facing primary challengers. Political wanna-bes of all stripes are angling for a chance to run.

But this is a bad week for the Democrats?

Delahunt, who has been in the House for quite some time -- and isn't exactly a spring chicken -- is retiring to do something else with his life. So this "caps a bad week" for the Dems? Really?

Gov. Freudenthal precluded by term limits from running again announces he isn't running again and that's part of the "bad week for Dems"? Really?

Considering the media gave Texas gubernatorial candidate and Houston mayor Bill White exactly "zero point zero zero" coverage -- preferring instead to focus on the "surging candidacy of tea party favorite Ann Medina" -- the fact that White won his race is part of the "bad week" meme? Oh really?

This is the problem with treating politics as if it is a horse race. The coverage becomes laughingly superficial and inept. You might as well just list the blogs of your pals that you read with your "Morning Joe."

Posted by: jade_7243 | March 5, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

For an example of a personal political "agenda," see:

"A diminishing and/or tarnishing of the Democratic brand -- the last thing the party, which is in the midst of trying to pass an unpopular health care bill, needs heading into the November midterm elections. The last week goes to show yet another way that politics is like sports. When the momentum is with you -- as it was for Democrats in 2006 and 2008 -- every break seems to go your way, every ball that hits the rim rolls in."

Diminishing or tarnished Dem brand? Unpopular health care bill? Do you really think a majority of Americans OPPOSE the universal health care enjoyed by EVERY industriaized nation except ours?

News and analysis. No. Agenda. Yup.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 5, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Well, I don't know about "the organized group", or frankly care. What I do know is that people who complain about people trying to silence them are usually ridiculous. Nobody is trying to silence you. They try to refute you, but not to silence you. You are not important enough for anyone to care about silencing you. My 2nd grade teacher always said "if you have a problem with the world, the problem probably isn't the world." You can shout as loud as you want. You can talk over everyone at the table. You can out comment everyone on this blog by a 10/1 ratio. None of it will make you right.

Posted by: elijah24 | March 5, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Three (3) checks:

Free Cook Political Report (44's health care reform is like 43's Iraq War) ad/mention. (Has the Post business department calculated the revenue lost so far from the free placements? Just askin'.) Check.

No positive mention of the 44th President of the United States. Check.

Dems in trouble bogus narrative (more GOPers are retiring than Dems, do the math). Check.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | March 5, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

"Speaker Cantor" or "Speaker Boehner" -- given the short memories of most American voters, it might take putting a hack like these two clowns in the speaker's chair to remind Americans how incredibly inept Republicans are. Hard to be the party of no when you have the majority.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | March 5, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

elijah:

I can see the organized group on here is purposely not posting - they work together - they come on together - they leave together and they come back together.


It is NOT a bunch of people acting independently - it is a group organized probably by emails between themselves.

I can see the complaints coming - "oh, there are few posters on here driving everyone away" - NO there is a group here which is attempting to create a false impression.

As always, the objective of this group is to silence opposition views - they either harass other posters - encourage them to stop posting - or they themselves post many messages -


So the same thing they are attempting to accuse others of, they have been guilty of, on a much larger scale, over at least the past two years.

So don't be fooled.


We know what is going on - We know they are playing their games.

Just because they are NOW complaining - their objective is the same - to silence point of views which they do not agree.

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

1 & 2: Things continue to just get better and better for House Republicans. Speaker Cantor or Speaker Boehner is becoming more and more of a reality as we speak. Speaker Pelosi should enjoy her final year as speaker. Once Republicans run the US House, then Obama will have a real chance at bipartisanship if he wants anything passed.

Posted by: reason5 | March 5, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Correction to "scrivener" post, below:

Should say "purportedly" in first graph. Could swear it was typed correctly. Could real-time malicious "surveillance" be to blame? Read this before you decide:

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-fusion-center-spying-pretext-harass-and-censor

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 5, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

6

6 comments posted by the corner today, bashing the Democratic party without mercy (or substance, or facts) before anyone else says anything. This is the textbook definition of an echo-chamber, is it not? I mean honestly dude, is it the look of your own typing skills that you love so much? Bring some facts, some evidence, or at least some new ideas that I havent already heard Michael Savage or Sean Hannity spouting.

Posted by: elijah24 | March 5, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

AN OPEN LETTER TO MATT DRUDGE ("DRUDGEREPORT,COM') VIA "THE FIX" (just in case government censors spike my tip to Drudge...)

MATT:

When I click on your "Big Sis" internet spy story today, my browser task bar RE-DIRECTS my connection to this apparently "spoofed" or faked government controlled web side: "s.wsj.net," as displayed in the browser task bar. Then, the task bar reads, "google-analytics.com" and then -- I get a "page not found" message that purportly comes from "wsj.net."

I believe what I am seeing is a government surveillance program at work. This journalist -- like you, I am sure -- is "targeted" for pervasive surveillance, electronic and otherwise, 24/7.

I've written about how this works. NO GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL HAS STEPPED FORWARD TO REFUTE OR QUESTION ANY OF MY ARTICLES. That's because they are true and accurate.

Please read this article, and consider linking to my stories -- they are having an impact, Matt. And don't buy the slander and character assassination. I'm a veteran journalist who's worked for major mainstream media, and I can tell you, there's a purge of the media that is succeeding. Don't become a pawn! Let me know if you get this. If you do, it will be something of a pleasant surprise....

http://nowpublic.com/world/how-u-s-spy-ops-censor-web-political-speech

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves

OR: poynter.org/subject.asp?id=2 (see articles list)

NOW IT'S OBAMA'S GESTAPO USA. WHEN WILL TEAM OBAMA ACT?

• Reporter exposing gov't cell tower microwave torture held hostage to community stalking, police-protected, GPS-equipped vigilante squads that burglarize, vandalize and terrorize -- officially-enabled lawlessness that afflicts many thousands of other unconstitutionally targeted and persecuted Americans.

BUCKS COUNTY, PA- BASED MAGLOCLEN FUSION CENTER: "GROUND ZERO OF A MID-ATLANTIC STATES AMERICAN GESTAPO."

WHY WON'T THE FBI OPEN A DOJ / CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION INVESTIGATION -- AS REPEATEDLY REQUESTED?

nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america
OR NowPublic.com/scrivener (see "stories" list)

Posted by: scrivener50 | March 5, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Why doesn't Freudenthal consider running against one of those unspectacular Senators they have out there in Wyoming at some point in the future?

Posted by: robc12 | March 5, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Brainny

For many democrats, this is not about health care - it is about a redistribution of wealth which will result in more voters being loyal to the democratic party.


The democrats can not have it both ways - they can not claim to be bipartisan - then insist on a far left-wing program which is designed to create a new entitlement which will create more votes for the democrats.

If the democrats really cared about health care, the idea of locking in extra votes in future elections would not enter into it.

The democrats have poisoned the water, by taking an issue which really has to be bipartisan - and turning it into a partisan issue.


Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

To- 37thand0street

Obama has reached out but some people are unreachable when then Grand Obstructionist Party scares them all the time. He has tried to give the Grand Obstructionist Party some thinsg but they only want all of their bill or nothing so they can win short term politically and have the luxuary of their own health insurance we taxpayers pay for while the people they serve die because of inaction. The Dems need to forget BiPartisanship othr than a soundbite.

Posted by: Brainny | March 5, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

CC, My one question as it has been everytime a democrat retires is tell me when they equal the total of the republicans that are retiring. Also Delahunt's seat will stay in the Dems column no matter what, Brown was a fluke in Mass that had a lot to do with the bad candidate on the dem side and less to do with the tilt of the state.

Also it is good to see that Bill White is now a toss-up against Perry cause that will help him raise money for the onslaught that Perry will start to unleash very soon.

Posted by: AndyR3 | March 5, 2010 7:59 AM

You're an idiot

Posted by: doof | March 5, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

every week is a bad week for democrats.

Posted by: doof | March 5, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Typical Dems., they panic, have no backbone, waver and run for the hills. Have some spine, pass healthcare, try KSM in civilain court and have some spine. Dems always seem to need Pepto Bismol while the Grand Obstructionist Party awlays seems to just drink the a-hole juice.

Posted by: Brainny | March 5, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

AndyR3


Chris has said multiple times that all retirements are not created equally. If someone retires from a competitive district, that district is in play.


Many times Chris has said this - but apparently you want to insist on a MISLEADING NUMBER BEING PUT FORTH.

If an incumbent retires from a relative safe district, that district will likely stay in that party's hands.

If an incumbent retires from a competitive district, that district has a much much greater chance of changing hands.

That is why the numbers you ask for are MISLEADING.

You say some strange things.


Brown was not a fluke - in a normal year, Mickey Mouse could be elected in Massachusetts if he had the democratic nomination.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

If Obama wants to abandon his campaign commitment to be bipartisan, he should resign.

The American People hired him to be the "uniter" - not to pursue a left-wing agenda which actually polarizes the country.


And the American People certainly did NOT elect the economy to have him ignore the economy for over a year.

One day of a health care summit in which Obama does not offer one proposal in the middle ground, a compromise - is not anywhere near the "uniter" that Obama represented he was.

Obama puts everything on the Republicans - give us your ideas - we will throw it in - but the OVERWHELMING 2000 PAGE BILL IS A LEFT WING DOCUMENT.

That was NOT what Obama was elected to do.

Yea, the left wing bloggers on here dont even want to talk about it - they can not defend it - they just want to act like they just robbed a bank.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

CC, My one question as it has been everytime a democrat retires is tell me when they equal the total of the republicans that are retiring. Also Delahunt's seat will stay in the Dems column no matter what, Brown was a fluke in Mass that had a lot to do with the bad candidate on the dem side and less to do with the tilt of the state.

Also it is good to see that Bill White is now a toss-up against Perry cause that will help him raise money for the onslaught that Perry will start to unleash very soon.

Posted by: AndyR3 | March 5, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Obama didn't even try for the middle on health care -


Obama's summit was a FRAUD because Obama did not offer any CENTRIST ALTERNATIVES.

People know this - it is pretty simple. That is what Obama promised the American People.

Picking off one or two votes is not bipartisanship.

All these platitudes coming from the leftists talking to the leftists are really meaningless. If Obama can get the House democrats to get into a Toyota with him and head over the cliff, fine. But it is really ridiculous.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

If Obama pushes through a bill, he creates a massive rallying cry for the Republicans this fall.


If Obama drops the subject, the democrats get to attempt to put the issue behind them.

For the democratic party, the democratic candidates around the country, they are far better off dropping the issue as soon as possible.

If Obama thinks that the "damage is already done" he is wrong.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Obama is not going to gain anything by pushing through this health care bill - the ability to point to a bill which no one wants is not a really good selling point.


Obama is making a serious mistake.


Republicans are going to be running around, giving plans on how to repeal Obama's bill - or defund it. The bill will not survive. So as a practical matter, this exercise matters little.

Obama's best chance is to let the bill die - and move on to what the American People are telling him is important.

Instead, Obama is continuing with an agenda which the American people do NOT want - Obama is ignoring the economy - Obama is distracting the Congress and the press from the real issues facing the country. This is Hoover all over again - a person who is obsessed with idealogy and who is unable to react to what the economy needs.

Obama is the second coming of Hoover.

Obama should take a drive out - in any direction from Washington - into Virginia and stop people and ask them if he should drop the health care bill or continue with this crazy lemming act.

Get out of Washington - ask real people what they think is important.

Ask people if they have room in their budgets for additional health care taxes or costs. And this bill has very little in terms of actual cost containment in it. People know that.

The best strategy is to focus in on insurance regulation - and get huge chunks of the Republicans to support a drastically reduced bill.

That bill could have been had last spring - and Obama could have been working on the economy this whole time.

Why isn't that better ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Obama is just wrong to think that he needs to press through health care - Obama needs to work on the economy - and Obama needs to build up confidence among the people.


Obama has not built up trust in the American people.

Instead, Obama has taken a course which has torn down any trust he had - Instead of creating the momentum that he wants with a health care victory, Obama is destroying that momentum with the health care fight.

Obama is listening to the left - which is simply desperate for something for their agenda.

That has nothing to do with what the country needs as a whole - or what Obama needs to do to gain the confidence of the people - instead Obama has lost the confidence of the people. Too many people are shaking their heads at Obama for Obama to recover his numbers.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

One has to remember that Obama was elected on a platform saying he was going to "unite" Washington - and bring the parties together. This meant that Obama made a COMMITMENT TO CENTRIST POLICIES - POLICIES ARIVED AT THROUGH COMPROMISE.

This create a trust between Obama and the people who voted for him.

Obama has betrayed this trust - Obama has turned out to be far different from the platform he offered the American People. This is significant - if Obama had offered himself with a leftist progam, and he attempted a leftist program, there would not be this problem.


This is one reason there is such anger at the democrats right now - people feel as though they have been fooled.

If Obama wants out of his commitments he made during the campaign - then the American People want out of their votes to him - Obama seems to want to keep his election, but not his promises. If Obama wants to quit his promises, he should quit his position. It just doesn't work this way.

Obama can't have it both ways.

At this point, Obama would be wise to listen to the American People, and pursue policies which they have clearly stated they want. Obama doesn't know better. The lying about the provisions of the health care bill does not help.

If Obama feels the need to go in front of Congress and lie, there is something seriously wrong.

The gap between the rhetoric, the focus-grouped phrases which people regard as commitments made by Obama - and the actual bill simply is too great.

No area is this greatest than when Obama says the health care bill is "paid for" - well that came out of the focus-group, not the accounting office.

This bill resembles Enron more than anything else - it is time to wake up and realize that.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Obama has made a massive mistake deciding to plow ahead with the health care debate. People thought they were done with this issue - and they could move on.


Now Obama is basically freezing up the electorate - making it extremely difficult for downticket democrats to get out from under the desire of voters to send a message to Obama.

Obama may be only looking at the House and the one-third of the Senate up for election this year - however there are all sorts of other competitive districts all over the country.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

In New York, it may seem like chaos, but it isn't. Andrew Cuomo is trying to clear the field ahead of running for Governor.


Cuomo also had a primary recently against McCall - which has made him reluctant to run in a primary against Paterson.

Because of Paterson's low poll numbers, the best solution appears to have been to convince Paterson to drop out of the primary, instead of having a primary with Cuomo, in which Cuomo would be seen as opposing another black office holder.

Is anyone surprised that the democratic party is corrupt ???

New York is simply getting ready for a primary. - Also, the fact that Hillary came in from outside the state 10 years ago - took office and then left - that has had an effect on the state.

Without Hillary, that seat would have been filled long ago.


Hillary came in, and then vacated the seat. The appointment to fill the seat fell to Paterson - but there appeared to be a battle between various factions over that seat.


One also has to remember that Bloomberg is sitting there - with all his money - which is independent of any party really. Bloomberg has a set of people around him - who would normally be elsewhere in the mix if Bloomberg was not there.


It is complex, but not really.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | March 5, 2010 6:06 AM | Report abuse

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