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Morning Fix: Sorting through the numbers in Va., N.J., and N.Y.

1. The topline numbers in New Jersey and Virginia are, by now, familiar to any political junkie. We dug into the exit polls in both states for some inside information about the political landscape. A few nuggets: suburban voters moved to Republicans (55 percent to 44 percent in Virginia; 51 percent to 43 percent in New Jersey), voters who said the economy was the top issue went to former Virginia attorney general Bob McDonnell (R) by 14 points but to New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine (D) by 22, Obama approval/disapproval was 49 percent/50 percent in Virginia and 57/42 in New Jersey, and among voters 65 and older McDonnell won by 18 points and former U.S. attorney Chris Christie (R) won by 15.

2. Bob McDonnell pollster Glen Bolger explains how his candidate won so big. Key quotes: "Our goal back in last winter/spring was to tie on the top issue of jobs/economy, stay close on transportation and education, and win on tax/spending." Also: "Deeds never defined himself. . . . Rather than first define Deeds, they just decided to hit Bob as a right-wing woman hater with ties to Pat Robertson." And: "A lot of the GOP definitional messaging of Deeds was using Deeds against himself. His bumbling performance in the post-debate press gaggle was legendary."

3. A county-by-county look at how Christie won from the New York Times. Of note is that Corzine only won Bergen County 49 percent to 48 percent (not a large enough margin), Christie crushed Corzine in Ocean County (66 percent to 29 percent), and independent Chris Daggett only broke into double digits in a handful of counties (best showing was in Somerset with 11 percent).

4. With Bill Owens ' (D) victory in the New York 23rd district special election that makes five straight wins in contested specials over the past two years for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. In 2008, the DCCC won in Illinois' 14th, Louisiana's 6th and Mississippi's 1st. This year, Rep. Scott Murphy (D) won in New York's 20th. A very impressive record in tough-to-figure-out specials.

5. New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg won -- but just barely when you consider he outspent New York City Comptroller Bill Thompson at a 20-1 clip (no, that is not a typo) during the campaign. The White House was reluctant to get behind Thompson throughout the campaign and did far less for him than they did in New Jersey, Virginia and even New York's 23rd district. Given the narrownness of the Bloomberg win, do White House strategists look back on this race as a missed opportunity? Or is the uber-rich (and Democrat in everything but name) Bloomberg a better ally for the White House in the long term?

And in non-2009 election news. . .

6. The 60 Plus Association, a conservative-aligned group in the health care fight, will begin a $500,000 national cable television buy this morning urging Congress not to cut Medicare in the name of cost containment for health reform legislation. The ad begins by noting that seniors had stormed the beaches at Normandy in World War II and survived the Great Depression before the narrators adds: "But now, some in Washington want up to $500 billion in Medicare cuts to pay for a plan that could lead to a government takeover of health care." The 60 Plus ad will be supplemented by phone calls into 78 House districts urging listeners to call their members and urge them to oppose Medicare cuts. And, the campaign follows more than $2 million in spending by the group over the last two weeks with ads targeting eight senators on the issue. "As yesterday's elections prove, seniors are upset. Seniors are taking a stand and saying 'Don't cut our Medicare,'" said Jim Martin, president of the organization. Expect other conservative organizations to attempt to capitalize on the election results to raise doubts in moderate Democrats' minds about the health care bill.

7. Florida state Sen. Paula Dockery formally entered the governor's race Tuesday, ensuring that state Attorney General Bill McCollum will have a fight on his hands for the Republican nod. McCollum, who has run and lost two Senate races already this decade, is running even in polling with state CFO Alex Sink who has cleared the Democratic primary. Dockery, who hails from central Florida, has held state legislative office since the mid 1990s. And, while the Republican establishment believes McCollum is their best option against Sink, Dockery is a serious candidate who will, at a minimum, force McCollum to spend some of his money in a primary. Did we mention McCollum raised about half as much as Sink in the past three months?

8. "The ambitious Rothman, on 2013: 'If there's an opportunity to help the people of the entire state someday, I'd certainly consider that.'" -- Real Clear Politics' Mike Memoli tweets on Rep. Steve Rothman (D-N.J.) already positioning for a challenge to Christie. Other names in the mix: Reps. John Adler and Frank Pallone, Sen. Bob Menendez, and, the potential prime mover in the race, Newark Mayor Cory Booker.

9. Last names aren't everything in politics. Just ask the son of Pittsburgh Steelers great Franco Harris; he came in a not-close second in his bid to unseat Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl on Tuesday.

10. AT&T thinks "there's a map for that" is a ripoff.

By Chris Cillizza  |  November 4, 2009; 5:30 AM ET
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Comments

scrivener50, redefining the terms 'nutjob' and 'tinfoil hat' since whenever he was born.

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We ignore scrivener around here, it's plain that he's genuinely psychotic. Kinda sad.

Once in a while he posts something worth reading but he always follows it with more of that microwave crap so nobody reads it.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 4, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

So the big news is the winger agenda lost and now maybe these circus freaks can STFU for a while.

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They got just enough of a win to keep them energized, there is no way they will admit to themselves that running nutjobs for national office doesn't work. Expect more Club for Growth interference, trashing GOP moderates and replacing them with guys who bay at the moon and handle snakes in church.

And expect the same results.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 4, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Obama_TRAITOR_in_Chie

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do you have a teabag dangling from your ear, moron?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 4, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"Less than 40% of voters felt interested enough either way to vote in this election. That hardly represents a surge of anything except boredom. Pathetic, Virginia."

I think voters are finally figuring out that one-term governors just can't do a whole lot. (hint, hint)

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 4, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

What will be interesting is to see if Christie and McDonnell can live up to their moderate campaign promises.

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yeah like Bush did.

Christie might govern as a moderate (but an early pledge to cut regulations is not a good indication), but McDonnell is a religious rightie who's almost certainly going to work much harder on repressing gays and abortion than on fixing roads.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 4, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin must be dining on ashes.

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She's far FAR too dumb to learn from mistakes. You can bet that the goopers will push harder than ever to repeat their losing formula, matter of fact you can put that in the bank.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 4, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans will keep winning. In Illinois we have a shorteage of H1N1 vaccinations for Americans because Illegal Aliens are out numbering Americans at most vaccination clinics.

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You have any evidence to support this idiotic assertion or did you just pull it out of your azz like you do the rest of the crap you post here?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 4, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

TO: "DAMNED GENTLEMEN" @ 11:41 a.m.

Re: Ad hominem attacks ("nutjob," "tin foil hat"); such references are hallmarks of lame psy ops.

ATTN: ROZ MAZER. ALERT THE DNI. The taxpayers deserve better.


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Posted by: scrivener50 | November 4, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Deeds ran a dreadful race, McDonnell ran a very good one, but another important point no one much is mentioning from the Post story:

"turnout in a governor's race slumping below 40 percent for the first time in at least 40 years"

Less than 40% of voters felt interested enough either way to vote in this election. That hardly represents a surge of anything except boredom. Pathetic, Virginia.

Posted by: nodebris | November 4, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

You know elections are like sports events.All that really matters is which team,or in some cases person has the most-except in golf-points when the game ends.
All this analysis doesn't mean crap.There is a winne.There is a loser.END OF STORY.

Posted by: rwilliamhayes | November 4, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

""As pointed out in today's Washington Post editorial, McDonnell's win was due to his superior campaign which featured playing down his extremist social views"

In other words he was disingenuous. Something that today's neocoms frequently are when they are not outright lying."

leapin: McDonnell clearly knew he had to appeal to moderates to win this election. I don't fault him for playing down his rightwingnut positions on social issues. People who care a lot about the social issues on either side knew his stances on those positions. McDonnell successfully avoided scaring the more casual moderate voters. He ran the better campaign, by far.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 4, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

koolkat -- McDonnell got to avoid what Crist and others will not -- a challenge from the right that will force them to move right and turn off most voters.

As Debbie Wasserman Schultz said "New York 23 was the race to watch for the coming year."

'New York 23 is really the race to focus on from yesterday. It shows the knock-down, drag-out civil war that's going on in the Republican Party. They're eating themselves and it's going to play out in races across the country.'

Posted by: drindl | November 4, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

"As pointed out in today's Washington Post editorial, McDonnell's win was due to his superior campaign which featured playing down his extremist social views"

In other words he was disingenuous. Something that today's neocoms frequently are when they are not outright lying.

Posted by: leapin | November 4, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

US Senator Bob Menendez was mentioned as a possible Democratic challenger in 2013 to Gov. Christie. Remember that first, Menendez will be up for reelection himself. Let's also not forget he was the hand picked Senator by Jon Corzine. He's in the NJ corrupted political system. He is up for reelection 2012. Before mentioning him as a Governor's candidate, let's see if he survives 2012 a good Republican candidate will almost certainly challenge him then.

Posted by: reason5 | November 4, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Hey shrink: regarding McDonnell, I read somewhere that whatever deal he worked out with Bolling to avoid a GOP primary allowed him avoid having to stake out more conservative positions on social issues that could have hurt him in the general.

That is an excellent point.

I like finding those little nuggets among all the crap passing as analysis this morning.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 4, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Fact:

As pointed out in today's Washington Post editorial, McDonnell's win was due to his superior campaign which featured playing down his extremist social views, engaging in successful minority outreach (Wilder/Johnson), airing Hollywood-quality HD ads, and promising jobs and low taxes: a winning strategy in any state. Deeds's campaign, on the other hand, was a primer on how not to campaign ('nuff said).

Notably, the WashPo editorial made NO mention of any "referendum on BHO" and in fact polls said the voters' opinion of 44 did NOT influence their vote. See also Ruth Marcus's oped today discussing the insignificance of the Va. race in regard to presidential politics.

Congrats to Mac. You did good.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 4, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

scrivener50, redefining the terms 'nutjob' and 'tinfoil hat' since whenever he was born.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | November 4, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

First of all, this election had much to do with the personalities and voter experience with incumbants as well as those candidates who exhibited certain philosophies. The results do not alarm those of us who are profoundly pro-Obama. Our president has had the superhuman task of dealing with the aftermath of a president (Bush) who has had some of the most profound lapses and errors in judgement in the history of this country. The presidential campaign run by the Republicans was one of great pathos which displayed anything but intelligence and judgement and made many observer question whether the Republican party was going the way of the dodo. Still, the Republican party has yet to come up with ways to solve the mess other than to obstruct every constructive policy of the Obama administration (that just might get our country back on track). Instead of exhibiting a role model of good citizenship, the Republicans will go down in history as puerile, uninventive human beings who cling to the pseudo-security of GOP tribalism.

Posted by: timeforhonesty | November 4, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

First of all, this election had much to do with the personalities and voter experience with incumbants as well as those candidates who exhibited certain philosophies. The results do not alarm those of us who are profoundly pro-Obama. Our president has had the superhuman task of dealing with the aftermath of a president (Bush) who has had some of the most profound lapses and errors in judgement in the history of this country. The presidential campaign run by the Republicans was one of great pathos which displayed anything but intelligence and judgement and made many observer question whether the Republican party was going the way of the dodo. Still, the Republican party has yet to come up with ways to solve the mess other than to obstruct every constructive policy of the Obama administration (that just might get our country back on track). Instead of exhibiting a role model of good citizenship, the Republicans will go down in history as puerile, uninventive human beings who cling to the pseudo-security of GOP tribalism.

Posted by: timeforhonesty | November 4, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Remember BO didn’t really campaign for the Dem losers. His travels just took him on his continuing search for America’s best pizza and burgers.

Posted by: leapin | November 4, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"If you are reduced to hanging your hat on NY 23 as your claim for victory than by all means have at it. "

REDUCED? This was touted by wingers as the beginnng of their 'revolution' -- and it bombed.

Corzine is vastly unpopular, and Deeds was a miserable candidate.

So the big news is the winger agenda lost and now maybe these circus freaks can STFU for a while.

Posted by: drindl | November 4, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

The Dems are doomed if they don't think outside the box....duh!
Global Economics never really worked. We can't compete with Chinese labor unless we want our country to be another third world nation.DUH! We need to require 50% manufacture of ALL imported goods be done here by American labor. That wouldn't require government stimulus money and soon millions would be employed.
Health care bill isn't putting people to work.
Lastly, the racism by the CONSERVATIVES equals hated for Obama..they just don't say it!

Posted by: hdumas
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Seriously? OK, one more time for the slow kids...a global economy is what exists right now. No amount of crying or nationalism will change that. We could no more make your 50% rule than we could drop nuclear bombs on Russia.
If you really want to see America turn into a third world country, try instituting your insane 50% rule. I'm sure China would be happy to immediately demand payment on the trillions Bushy Boy borrowed to bribe Iraqi strongmen and buy bombs to drop on them. Then they'll slap an embargo on all American imports, along with every other country that exports to America. The economic nightmare that would ensue would make you pine for the days when there used to be a middle class.
Your news reading list must be the same as Palin's...nothing.
Please try not to use the word 'DUH' in caps when your point is clearly unfeasible and stupid. It makes Snowbama's job harder.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | November 4, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

CHRIS CILLIZZA -- WHY DOES THE WAPO ALLOW CRAP LIKE THIS TO BE POSTED ON THEIR BLOGS? IT IS OFFENSIVE.

"Posted by: Obama_TRAITOR_in_Chief | November 4, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse"

Posted by: drindl | November 4, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

You liberals are truly batty. This is some sort of victory for democrats? Your uber expensive health care is dead. Obama is a lame duck. Bark on.

Posted by: snowbama | November 4, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"McDonnell ran a bait and switch campaign."

Wasn't it actually a switch and bait campaign?

"How does he hew his moderate campaign agenda while keeping Armey from calling him a RINO?"

This morning, Perry and Crist are studying this issue intently. Their success or failure hinges on it.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 4, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Despite the fact that the GOP candidates won the governorship however don't read into this. Following trends over the years it was expected that they would win. The main issues coming out of this is the economy not Obama and several polls reflect that thinking plus several mistakes by the candidates. NY23 elected Owen over Hoffman rejecting the conservative ideals that was expoused by various groups (Palin, Club for Growth) extending their losses.
The economy was in a mess long before he was sworn in. As a matter of fact you should get a book called "This Time is Different" which give you a primer on what went wrong with the economy compared to past events.

Posted by: beeker25 | November 4, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"And to those who say she is a traitor to her partty, I say she showed character."

Margaret: The people who have been calling her a traitor were the same ones braying "Principle over party" when rushing to support Hoffman. Turnabout is, oh you know. 8>D

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 4, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"The best thing that can come out of these elections is that a wealthy candidate can't buy a position."

Sure wish this were true.
Let's see what happens to the rest of the rich people trying to buy offices next year.
Maybe New Yorkers just had too much of Bloomberg's "personality".

Posted by: shrink2 | November 4, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"If you are reduced to hanging your hat on NY 23 as your claim for victory than by all means have at it. Corzine basically ran as the Obama-Corzine ticket. Sure the race was a referendum on Corzine, but not even your messiah could pull out this incumbent in a deep blue state. Sure Virginia tends to rebel against the Presidential party, BUT if you look at the voting percentages, they are typically in the 52%-45% range, NOT 59%-41%. 18 points is a blowout of epic proportions. You can even point to the CA House race where the margin was 10 points in a race where the previous incumbent and Obama won by 2:1. the NY GOP learned their lesson by nominating a candidate without any feedback from the district. Hoffman was a flawed candidate who admitted he didn't even know what the local issues were-and that is a lesson the tea party movement needs to learn. Voting intensity only gets you so far; if the candidate views and personality doesn't match the constituency, he or she is DOA. I loved seeing Bloomberg have to sweat out a close race. The best thing that can come out of these elections is that a wealthy candidate can't buy a position. Corzine losing was the best thing to happen since Daschle losing in '04."

You can read all you want into these results.

Corzine's ratings were in the dumper even before Obama clinched the nomination. So to say oh look, Obama couldn't save him, is to create somewhat of a straw man. The deep blue state of NJ had already turned on Corzine.

As for VA, the margin was huge, but Deeds was a terrible candidate of epic proportion. We are talking abysmal.

As for NY-23, to say "Hoffman was a flawed candidate" now proves nothing. Every candidate is "flawed." The Right led by Palin and Beck went all in on Hoffman, "flaws" and all, and got spanked.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 4, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

The Dems are doomed if they don't think outside the box....duh!
Global Economics never really worked. We can't compete with Chinese labor unless we want our country to be another third world nation.DUH! We need to require 50% manufacture of ALL imported goods be done here by American labor. That wouldn't require government stimulus money and soon millions would be employed.
Health care bill isn't putting people to work.
Lastly, the racism by the CONSERVATIVES equals hated for Obama..they just don't say it!

Posted by: hdumas | November 4, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Drindl @1020 -- McDonnell ran a bait and switch campaign. How does he hew his moderate campaign agenda while keeping Armey from calling him a RINO?

At least McDonnell has a republican state legislature to help him take Virginia back to the Old Testament. Christie is going to be on his own in NJ.


And let's hear it for Dede Scozzafava!
She single-handedly gave the race to Owens. And to those who say she is a traitor to her partty, I say she showed character. She could have gotten a nice perk from the state GOP for bowing out and endorsing Hoffman, a little thank you for playing ball. Instead she stood up for her district's interests and slew the bullies.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | November 4, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Now that we know who Obama really is and he is clearly not the man he claimed to be in his campaign... He will go down as a dishonest Jimmy Carter, one term failed Presidency.

It's too bad he has to tarnish Jimmy Carter's name so. At least the former President Carter didn't lie to everybody, he was just seriously too liberal to have any economic sense or international relations understanding.

Obama knows what he is doing and is purposely using deceit to advance his Marxist agenda!

He will get his do in the next life.

Posted by: Obama_TRAITOR_in_Chief | November 4, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

If you are reduced to hanging your hat on NY 23 as your claim for victory than by all means have at it. Corzine basically ran as the Obama-Corzine ticket. Sure the race was a referendum on Corzine, but not even your messiah could pull out this incumbent in a deep blue state. Sure Virginia tends to rebel against the Presidential party, BUT if you look at the voting percentages, they are typically in the 52%-45% range, NOT 59%-41%. 18 points is a blowout of epic proportions. You can even point to the CA House race where the margin was 10 points in a race where the previous incumbent and Obama won by 2:1. the NY GOP learned their lesson by nominating a candidate without any feedback from the district. Hoffman was a flawed candidate who admitted he didn't even know what the local issues were-and that is a lesson the tea party movement needs to learn. Voting intensity only gets you so far; if the candidate views and personality doesn't match the constituency, he or she is DOA. I loved seeing Bloomberg have to sweat out a close race. The best thing that can come out of these elections is that a wealthy candidate can't buy a position. Corzine losing was the best thing to happen since Daschle losing in '04

Posted by: TexasProud1 | November 4, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Please keep the focus on the Republicans, dear traditional left wing elite media. Then they can win another election in 2010 and retire Pelosi and Reid.

Posted by: kenpasadena | November 4, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"Message: Republcans can win, as long as they don't talk about what they really beleive."

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Well, yeah. Did you pay attention to the McDonnell campaign at all? His first rule was "Never, ever, ever, mention that you're a Republican, ever."

Posted by: VTDuffman | November 4, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Yes, it's funny about Medicare, eh?

The GOP is great with talking out of both sides of their mouths, on the one side demonizing 'government healthcare' -- on the other side, giving a big wet kiss to Medicare.

It's laughable.

Posted by: drindl | November 4, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I see this structure to the result, a rejection of the social conservative, the proxy for the bigots on the Republican right and an acceptance of the fiscal conservative.

McDonnell's repudiation of his thesis may or may not have been genuine, but he stood no chance of winning had he not done it, complemented Obama etc. and focused on the economy. Hoffman ran as a bigot, first and foremost. I can imagine him giggling as Rush ranted on Scozzafava and her bestiality.

Watch for this in Florida and Texas.
Bet we see neither Crist nor Perry sucking up to Glen Beck.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 4, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

For a good laugh:

"The New York Times reports that the mixed election results from last night -- with Republicans winning solidly in the Virginia and New Jersey gubernatorial races, but losing the NY-23 special election -- will simultaneously rekindle the GOP's hopes and continue arguments about the party's direction. "Conservatives can win when they emphasize the right things and don't allow their message to get co-opted," said former Michigan GOP chairman Saul Anuzis. "The Democrats and some of their friends in the media attempt to paint all conservatives as fire-breathing cavemen."

Message: Republcans can win, as long as they don't talk about what they really beleive.

Posted by: drindl | November 4, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"We just had a report that one of our pollsters in Clinton County just had their tires slashed," Hoffman said. "So I think the Democrats are doing everything they possibly can to steal this election away from the 23rd District."

It may also be noted that two Hoffman poll watchers were ARRESTED for voter intimidation.

Red State will NOT report that.

Posted by: pach12 | November 4, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

A four year term of McDonnell: fornicators and working women breath a sigh of relief. However transportation infrastructure still neglected. Guns allowed in day care centers. He is touted by the right as presidential timber for 2012 or 2016.

Former Gov Macacca standing at his rear

Posted by: MerrillFrank | November 4, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Pach12,
The one problem with McDonnell is that the Governorship of VA is as high as he will ever get. His thesis in grad school should have sunk his campaign but Deeds ran such a negative campaign that the bump he gained from that evaporated because he never talked about what he would do. I think if McDonnell tries to run on the national scale the things he said about women in the work place will blow up in his face. For example I don't see that going over well in places like Ohio, Florida, and Colorado which are states you HAVE to win in a national election.

Posted by: AndyR3 | November 4, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I must be losing my mind! Did I read on Chris' column that a conservative group is pleading for Medicare?

No, Jaxas you are not using your mind. I saw Senator Issackson on C-Span saying that bringing the 17 million eligible for MA onto the rolls is the sine qua non for health care reform!

Chris would only be required to cover Republican hypocrisy if it was news.

Posted by: pach12 | November 4, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

jaxas writes
"What will be interesting is to see if Christie and McDonnell can live up to their moderate campaign promises. They owe their good fortune to independents who will be watching to see if they really can govern ina moderate, centrist fashion"



They may be following the GW Bush / Pawlenty model: campaign as a moderate, govern as a partisan. Most voters really don't pay attention & get the wool pulled over their eyes.


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Posted by: bsimon1 | November 4, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Bob McDonnell should heed the experience of Jim Gilmore, who was also instantly anointed a rising GOP national star and a possible presidential nominee following his election as governor in VA.

Anyone seen Jim Gilmore lately? His disastrous term in office also paved the way for two Democratic governors.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 4, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

"I must be losing my mind! Did I read on Chris' column that a conservative group is pleading for Medicare?"

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Are you really suprised by this? Republicans only oppose "socialized medicine" when it benefit unreliable voting blocs, when it benefits reliable voting blocs, they support "socialized medecine." Ergo, they support medicare because old people are reliable voters, and they oppose a public option because the working poor are not.

Posted by: VTDuffman | November 4, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

There are two big long term results from the 11/3/09 election.

First is the rising of a new star in the political heavens. Bob McDonell has to be the first GOP star of the Obama era. Sensible, responsive conservatism, competent proven performance and the ability to connect with the diverse Virginia electorate assure that McDonnell's name will spoken often in GOP circles.

The second big result is the utter rejection of the doctrinaire, lock step conservatism embodied by GOP stalwarts Palin and Thompson.

The RCCC ran daily ads directly linking Owens and Pelosi. The Conservative Movement's pitch for Owens has been well-documented.

The independent minded voters of the North Country rejected these messages and demonstrated their confidence in President Obama and his message of constructive change.

Posted by: pach12 | November 4, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

What will be interesting is to see if Christie and McDonnell can live up to their moderate campaign promises. They owe their good fortune to independents who will be watching to see if they really can govern ina moderate, centrist fashion given that they are in a party that seems unable to even use a toilet without the permission of their far right masters, Limbaugh and Beck.

Posted by: jaxas | November 4, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

ACTUALLY, OBAMA AND DEMS CAME OUT LOOKING PRETTY GOOD... THE HEADLINE IS NY-23, NOT LOSSES BY TWO DEFICIENT CANDIDATES

Both Corzine and Deeds were exceptionally poor candidates. Corzine never connected with regular people and his failure to address high Jersey taxes sealed the deal. Deeds' shortcomings are well-known in this space.

Far more significant: Owens' victory in NY-23 and the splintering of the GOP by their grassroots Gestapo pitchfork people. If Levi Johnston hasn't already done in Sarah Palin, this should do it -- and, God willing, the results will deflate the gasbags Limbaugh and Beck.

On the positive side for the GOP, New Jerseyans have granted Chris Christie an exceptional opportunity to recast the party as reasoned and moderate. But Christie, a Bush "pioneer" and unabashed cheerleader during the Bush-Cheney Reign of Terror, should renounce his former political idol and embrace Libertarian positions on civil liberties and human rights issues.

He can start by reversing course on warrantless wiretapping, surveillance and cellphone/GPS tracking of innocent but "targeted" citizens -- the electronic backbone of a grassroots Gestapo that Christie knowingly enabled as a U.S. attorney.

Perhaps he can take some lessons from recent songs by his musical hero, Bruce Springsteen, whose lyrics scold those who have allowed "national security" to be used as pretext for an ideological purge.


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TO STOP SILENT GOV'T MICROWAVE ATTACKS ON U.S. CITIZENS

See his first-person attack account in latest comments to this article:

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-tortures-me-silent-microwave-weapons-ousted-s-prez OR (if link is corrupted): http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | November 4, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I must be losing my mind! Did I read on Chris' column that a conservative group is pleading for Medicare? And why Chris is that not one of the biggest stories on the abject hypocrisy of the right? For the sake of defeating Obama on anything, the right will forsake its own principles and protect Medicare against cuts they have been calling on for decades?

I am nonplussed!

Posted by: jaxas | November 4, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

McDonnel and Christie deserve credit for running honorable, positive campaigns that addressed serious substantive issues. The outcome was fairly predictable and follows historical precedents.

But, the outcome of the NY 23rd race for what has been a reliable GOP seat since the Civil War spells trouble for the Tea Party element of the far right fringe and their champions Palin, Beck, Limbaugh and the Club for Growth.

Sarah Palin must be dining on ashes. Her Facebook retort to Joe Biden (Hoffman, Baby, Hoffman!) is still ringing in our ears but now that ring is pretty hollow. If you live by the mouth, you die by the mouth!

Posted by: jaxas | November 4, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

These people are just a joke, a clown show:

'Earlier today, the Hoffman campaign and conservative bloggers threw a fit over a very nefarious accusation: That somebody had slashed the tire of a Hoffman poll-watcher's pickup truck.

"Hoffman Poll Watcher Has Tires Slashed," blared Red State, with photos of the truck and its flat tire. And Hoffman himself chimed in.

"We just had a report that one of our pollsters in Clinton County just had their tires slashed," Hoffman said. "So I think the Democrats are doing everything they possibly can to steal this election away from the 23rd District."

However, the Wall Street Journal reports that the local police captain said there's another explanation: "This was not a tire slashing--this was some guy who drove over a bottle and cut his tire."

Amusingly, Red State updated their post as follows: "[updated:] Local police are not willing to confirm it was a tire slashing and say it could be that the poll watcher ran over a bottle."

Posted by: drindl | November 4, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Absolutely koolkat and jaxas! The wingers painted NY23 as the end all and be all -- it was the beginning of the revolution! And it fell flat. They put all their chips on the table, called in their big guns -- and LOST.

Made me very happen that even a conservative district rejected their crazy brand of violent fantasy.

Posted by: drindl | November 4, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

jaxas: good summary.

You didn't mention Michael Steele. Winner or loser? Of course in his head, he thinks he's a big winner.

My hope is that Palin, Beck, and Limbaugh just shrug off the loss in NY-23 and continue expanding the GOP intra-party warfare. Pass the popcorn!

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 4, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

........N Y...23RD...I S...T H E...R E A L...S T O R Y........

Too bad the mainstream media pay so little attention to rightwing hate-radio.

Not because I like it, but because it is dangerous and needs to be monitored.

If you listened to Limbaugh, Hannity, Boortz and Beck...you would know that they put all their chips in on the conservative in NY-23rd.

They pushed that race like it was the presidency and they brought in Sarah Palin, Fred Thompson and their country music hatemonger John Rich...

THEY WENT ALL IN AND THEY ...L O S T.....

They proved to the whole nation that they are totally out of touch.

The governors races truly were local and this race truly was national.

Chins up Dem's!

Posted by: ChipShirley | November 4, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, that should be 137 years. Makes the accomplishment of losing the seat even more remarkable.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 4, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

The winners: Joe Biden (Owens, Baby Owens!), moderate republicans (Both Christie and McDonnell ran positive, middle of the road campaigns), House democrats (they held all their seats in special elections and picked up a new seat in New York's 23rd--Owens, Baby, Owens!), gay marriage opponents in Maine.

The losers: Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and the far right fringe (Republicans demonstrated they can wing by running positive, middle-of-the-road campaigns and the right wing candidate in New York's 23rd--Hofmann--ran a campaign dedicated to Glenn Beck and lost the seat to a democrat for the first time since the Civil War); squishy democrats with weak, ill defined campaign issues, using negative campaign tactics.

A warning to gleeful republicans: Do not be overly impressed with this win. As this year has shown, political winds can shift dramatically in a short space of time.

Posted by: jaxas | November 4, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations to McDonnell and Christie. And most of all to the voters of NY-23 for kicking ol Green Teeth Hoffman right in the knee and dealing a huge kick in the teeth to Sarah Failin, Club for Failure, and every other lemming who rushed to endorse Hoffman after Failin did so. Great job in costing the Republicans a seat they've held for 127 years! That's a pretty remarkable accomplishment.

And I see Mikey Steele is already gloating, as if he had anything to do with anything. You Republicans are in great shape with Steele, Palin, Limbaugh, and Beck as your party leaders.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 4, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Years ago, when Galveston Bay first became a fire hazard, A TX Land Commish suggested that we just declare it a waste disposal site and dump everything in it.

Perhaps Christie can do that to the so-called Meadowlands, drindl.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | November 4, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse


Pretty typical off-year elections.

But NY-23? Who knew!?!

That one put a big smile on my face. I guess Palin's a cinch for some job on Fox? LOL

And Beck can be her waterboy. Or hat check girl.

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | November 4, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

It seems to me that the voters decided that GOP candidates would be best for their localities, and DNC candidates would be best nationally. NY-23 voters and CA-10 voters both sent Democratic candidates to Washington to help President Obama succeed in his agenda.

I agree with everyone, this was a referndum on the President. The people have spoken and they are with him.

Posted by: VTDuffman | November 4, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

NJerseyites have really screwed themselves.

' In New Jersey, Governor-elect Chris Christie pledged to cut regulations and spending and “get government back under control.”

Cutting regulations in a state with as much pollution and toxic sites as NY is suicide. Too bad you fell for the hype, suckers.

Posted by: drindl | November 4, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

NY 23! HAHAHAHAHA!

Just gave me a good laugh, that's all. In your face, Glen Beck... eat it.

After all the crowing and the obnoxious tea party as*holery, that was real sweet and hopefully only the first in a series of humiliations for so-called 'conservatives.

Sorry to see your pets go down in flames, Chris

Posted by: drindl | November 4, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans will keep winning. In Illinois we have a shorteage of H1N1 vaccinations for Americans because Illegal Aliens are out numbering Americans at most vaccination clinics. If one would drive down the highway in Chicago and look at most contruction sites where to so called stimulus money has gone, Illegal aliens are working at most construction sites stealing jobs away from Americans.

Posted by: mattadamsdietmanager1014 | November 4, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Is the Mid term election sweep by the Republicans indicative of results in 2012?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=6427

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Posted by: usadblake | November 4, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

The story as far as I can tell is this.
1. Low turnout.
2. Deeds ran a terrible campaign.
3. Corzine had too much baggage.
4. McDonnell made some promises that he won't keep but the public is gullible if people say the right things. For example, exactly what is McDonnell going to do to create jobs? He will not deliver on transportation. Will the media hold him accountable-I have doubts.
5. The NY 23rd shows that the Republican right is not appealing to enough voters to win national or state-wide elections.
6. For the past 36 years the party out of power nationally has won the Virginia Governors race.

Obama and the Democrats, rather than being afraid, need to press on to get their agenda implemented. We need health care reform, new energy policies, financial regulatory reform, and an exit strategy for Iraq and Afghanistan.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | November 4, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

I think the win in NY-23 is a CLEAR WARNING TO REPUBLICANS (forget VA and NJ -- these candidates were CORRUPT (Corzine) and a DUD (Deeds)). I am absolutely sure this country hates extremism, and the Palins, Rushes, and Becks were the real losers last night. I am a Democrat and am glad that neither of the Democrats won -- they were quite awful, but SO PROUD of the people in upstate NY!!!

Posted by: lrb100 | November 4, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

NJ and VA did what NJ and VA do in off-year elections - they voted in the opposition party. NY-23 shows that for all the talk, those who would be the nominal heads of the Republican party - Sarah, Rush, and Glenn - are not so influential after all. The current brand of conservatism will not prevail in the northeast, or in many other parts of the country. But have fun trying!

(AndyR3 - my bet is they double down. I have no idea how they can spin Hoffman's loss as a victory, unless they argue that bringing down Scozzafava was victory enough, but national conservatives need to be careful when they meddle. Dede is the local Assemblywoman - it's quite possible people who actually live in the district really like her and resent the smears from right-wing entertainers.)

Posted by: -pamela | November 4, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

From a party perspective, winning is good and losing is bad. So Rs had good news in VA and NJ. Ds had good news in NY23.

From a political science perspective, all politics is local and three way races are unpredictable.

Here in TX, where hardly anyone voted, all eleven constitutional amendments passed. I voted for them. That must be how we pulled out the victories.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | November 4, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Virginia is a referendum on the Democratic Party. Deeds ran a poor race and the results confirm that.

New Jersey is another story. That was a referendum on Corzine and Wall Street. If Democrats are going to embrace figures of the bailout, they are going to pay a huge price.

Posted by: rs12 | November 4, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

From what I can tell Paula Dockery is a more moderate than Bill McCollum. It may be interesting to see this race attract the same people as the Crist/Rubio race does. Either way I think it is a boom for Sink's chances next fall.

Posted by: AndyR3 | November 4, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

I think one of the most interesting numbers from this election is the Obama approval rating in NJ. The 14 point edge in a state where the Democrat incumbent lost tells us that at least in NJ's case this was a referendum on Corzine.

Also I don't think Obama has to worry too much about VA either. Cause even though his approval numbers are almost even that is not taking into account the low black turnout that we saw yesterday. That being said this election ensures that VA will be a major battleground in 2012.

The NY-23rd is the most telling of all the races IMO. It is a direct rebute to the right-wing of the GOP (ie Rush, Palin, etc), and should be seen as a win for the moderates. Although, I wouldn't be suprised to hear the conservatives say that it was Scozzafava's turncoat endorsement of Owens that killed Hoffman's chances.
The Civil War in the GOP is just warming up and the the Moderates have won the first battle. Now all eyes move to Rubio/Crist and Hutchinson/Perry. The question will be if the Moderates win both of those races, do the Conservatives go quietly back into their hole and keep their mouths shut or do they double down???

Posted by: AndyR3 | November 4, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Sarah, Glen and Rush: Can YOU hear me now?

Posted by: nomorewholefoods | November 4, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Barry, Harry and nanny.

Can you hear me now?

Posted by: snowbama | November 4, 2009 7:28 AM | Report abuse

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