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Morning Fix: GOP leaders hesitate to embrace Palin

1. Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour's (R) repeated refusal to say that Sarah Palin is "qualified" to be president of the United States during an interview Thursday night with "Hardball" host Chris Matthews is illustrative of the problems the former Alaskan governor can -- and likely will -- cause the party. Asked by Matthews whether Palin was qualified -- in the wake of a Washington Post/ABC poll that showed more than six in ten Americans didn't believe she was -- Barbour responded: "Well, constitutionally, she sure is." Despite repeated proddings from Matthews, Barbour would go no further. Why? There's undoubtedly some parochial political concerns involved since Barbour fancies himself a potential candidate in 2012 and doesn't want to be seen offering too fulsome of praise for a would-be rival. But, the broader point is that Barbour, as chairman of the Republican Governors Association and a past chairman of the Republican National Committee, is a card-carrying member of the GOP establishment and his unease with wrapping his arms fully around Palin is evidence of a general uncertainty from party leaders about how to deal with her. Palin is without doubt a political force but she is, as her resignation earlier this year proved, decidedly unpredictable. Barbour and other establishment leaders want to take advantage of the passion of Palin supporters but are still wary of bringing her entirely into the fold. It's a fascinating back and forth that will continue to play itself out as Palin gets more active in political races next year. (Also read: Why Stu Rothenberg is sick of Palin talk -- subscription only.)

2. New polling in Nebraska, Louisiana and Arkansas commissioned by Health Care for America Now (HCAN), a liberal interest group pushing President Obama's plan, and obtained by the Fix shows huge majorities of voters in all three states favor the bill being debated on the floor. Eighty-eight percent of likely 2010 Nebraska voters, 84 percent of likely Arkansas voters and 82 percent of likely voters in Louisiana told Democratic pollster John Anzalone that regardless of whether they supported the health care legislation, they believed it should get a full floor debate. (Those numbers include more than two-third support among Republican and independent voters.) The release of the data comes roughly 24 hours before the Senate will vote on doing just that with 60 votes needed to get it onto the floor. And, it's clearly meant to influence the votes of the three Democrats -- Sens. Ben Nelson (Neb.), Mary Landrieu (La.) and Blanche Lincoln (Ark.) -- who have publicly wavered on the vote. Lincoln seemed to signal that she would vote with Democrats to get the bill to the floor in an email sent to supporters Thursday. "Even if the Senate decides to open debate on this measure, there will be many days and weeks of efforts to improve it and I will look forward to your comments and observations," wrote Lincoln. Meanwhile on the House side, the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) is going up with ads -- with a total cost of $1 million -- in eight House districts represented by Democrats who voted for the health care bill. The ads comes just days after American United and the American Federation of State County and Municipal Employees launched similar commercials in eight districts -- and represent an attempt by liberal groups to answer the pounding these Members are taking from the 60 Plus Association and the Chamber of Commerce. The SEIU ads will run in Indiana's 2nd, 8th and 9th districts, Maine's 2nd, North Dakota's at-large seat, New Hampshire's 2nd and Virginia's 5th.

3. It's over (again) in New York's 23rd district where Rep. Bill Owens's (D) lead over Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman is beyond the number of uncounted absentee ballots, according to the Watertown Daily Times. The paper reports that Owens is now ahead by 3,105 votes with 3,072 uncounted. Hoffman has grown increasingly outspoken about the results of late, insisting that the election was stolen from him by conservative bogeyman ACORN and promising a challenge of the results. Hoffman is likely to be buoyed by a new Public Policy Polling, um, poll that shows a majority (52 percent) of Republicans nationally believe ACORN played a role in stealing the election for Owens. (Of course, PPP -- an auto-dialed survey -- also showed Hoffman beating Owens by 17 points in a poll released 48 hours before Owens won.) When all the shouting is done -- and there will be shouting -- Owens will still be the congressman from the 23rd. Republicans would better expend their energy in recruiting a serious challenger for Owens in 2010 rather than fighting yesterday's battle.

4. Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R) is up with her first ad of her primary challenge to Gov. Rick Perry, a 30-second commercial that seeks to explain to voters why -- despite past pledges to the contrary -- she isn't resigning her Senate seat. "I'm going to do everything I can to stop the government takeover of health care," Hutchison says in the ad. "And it's why I'm staying in the Senate through the primary, at risk to my political future." The aim of the ad, which will be running on broadcast and cable stations statewide, is two-fold: to put her decision in the broader "fighting for you" context and to differentiate her policy before politics approach from that of Perry. Hutchison and her team also know that Perry is going to slam the senator for her vote in favor of the TARP legislation last year and want to make sure that her work in Washington isn't an unalloyed negative for the campaign. (Perry quickly launched an ad of his own asserting that "Washington is broken" and painting himself as a problem solver.) Staying in the Senate and fighting against a "government takeover of health care" (as she says in the ad) is a good way to make Washington work for KBH in the context of a campaign.

5. The Democratic National Committee raked in $11.5 million in October, roughly $3 million for than the Republican National Committee, according to reports to be filed with the Federal Election Commission today. Both committees spent heavily in the last month on races in Virginia and New Jersey and, as a result, will show less money in the bank at the end of October than they did at the close of September; the DNC had $12.3 million on hand at the end of the last month while the RNC had $11.2 million. (Those numbers are mitigated somewhat for Republicans by the fact that the DNC carried $4.4 in debt while the RNC has no debt.) Both sides paint the numbers as a victory for their side. For Republicans, staying competitive with the DNC despite being out of the White House is a sign that their donor base is returning. For Democrats, the RNC's inability to use the energy in their base to drastically outraise the DNC bodes well for the 2010 midterms.

6. Cook Political Report House editor David Wasserman sees danger for some of the Democratic old bulls in 2010, many of whom have regularly won reelection with ease but sit in districts that have a significant Republican base. "In a political environment as toxic as today's, the liability of having spent decades in Washington can outweigh the benefit of having built decades worth of personal loyalty back home," writes Wasserman. As a result of this trend, Cook moved five Democratic members -- Reps. Vic Snyder (Ark.), Ike Skelton (Mo.), Lincoln Davis (Tenn.), Bart Gordon (Tenn.) and Alan Mollohan (W.Va.) -- into more vulnerable position in his competitive race chart. Cook now rates 83 Democratic-held seats as potentially competitive in 2010 as compared to just 27 Republican districts.

7. Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee continues to shine in national polling that looks at the potential 2012 Republican presidential field. Forty five percent of those tested in a new Fox News/Opinion Dynamics survey has a favorable opinion of Huckabee while just 23 percent view him in an unfavorable light. Those numbers compare favorably (heyooo!) to Huckabee's potential rivals for the GOP nod including former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney (38/27), Sarah Palin (47/42) and Newt Gingrich (38/38). As we have noted before, Huckabee, while largely ignored by the political chattering class, is, without question, the Republican candidate who would enter the 2012 primary process with the best image among the average American -- a status that won't hand him the nomination but gives him a nice building block for a bid.

8. Who says the Fix doesn't know policy? We aced this morning's Post's political quiz that is ALL about health care. Look out Ezra...

9. Always wanted to ask the Fix about our deepest and darkest secrets? What better place to do it than in today's weekly Live Fix online chat -- starting at 11 a.m. on the World Wide Web? You can submit questions for us in advance or follow along in real time. Warning: There will be references to fancy coffee, field hockey and music. This chat is not for the faint of heart.

10. "O" no! Oprah Winfrey will announce today that she will be ending her eponymous talk show on Sept. 9, 2011. "Oprah's personal comments about this on tomorrow's live show will mark a historic television moment that we will all be talking about for years to come," promised Tim Bennett, the president of Harpo, Winfrey's production company. This and the Palin interview all in one week!

By Chris Cillizza  |  November 20, 2009; 5:45 AM ET
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Jake's excerpts from the with-doorstop pretty much confirm my impression ... this is a book of blue-collar arrogance, pithy little scraps of red meat thrown to the starving curs making up the teabagger movement.

Snotty tough talk, selfishness presented as political philosophy, feeding the know-nothings the solace they need since the rest of the world has decided it has no use for them

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 22, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

So let's see if I'm parsing this right .. a government that fails to look after public health is "small government," and is a good thing?

Not in my book.

We've known since 1974 that tobacco smoke is as harmful to other people breathing it than it is to the smoker itself (I bet Jake is a smoker, he's certainly dumb enough). In fact it's worse in some ways because it's had time to cool and deposits more easily that way, whereas a smoker gets hot smoke that doesn't deposit as well.

I'd say that public health is one of government's core responsibilities, not an overreach.

As for the "nobody forces you to work there" argument, people who advance that should be beaten to pulp for being jerks. Considering that in this case we're talking about that tiny little town Wassila, where there's probably only one restaurant (and a dozen taverns). So, no. that argument is really little more than a snotty remark and deserves to be answered like one.

If "small government" means allowing addicts to inflict their poison on other people, count me as an passionate advocate of BIG government.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 22, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | November 22, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

It's illegal to expose workers to carcinogens. Had Dupont left vats of uncovered and unlabeled solvents about, they'd have been shut down. You think a lawyer (ret.) could have figured that out.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 22, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

No, msame, they were free to find non-smoking environment for employment (you have no idea whether they were smokers even).

Posted by: JakeD | November 21, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

And the people who worked in that restaurant and were subjected to secondhand smoke and are susceptible to lung cancer and myriad other illnesses -- that's just the way things like that should work? What a #%&*%!

Posted by: msame | November 21, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

(pg. 110-11 re: her campaign for Governor):

"In the primary, I was running against Governor Murkowski, of course, and his friend Randy Ruedrich was still the state GOP chairman -- a bad omen to some but to us a motivating challenge. To win the primary, I'd have to gothrough both of them. It also meant we'd have no backing from the state party. I found my underdog status and the outsider label quite liberating. If there were only a few politicians bold enough to hook up with us, that was fine too. We built a network of nonpolitical, hardworking Alaskans who were tired of politicians bending in the wind."

Posted by: JakeD | November 21, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I'm reading "Going Rogue" again and this example of small government (from pg. 75):

"Nearly every pregnant woman has something that can make her instantly ill, and the cigarette smoke inside the cafe kind of nausiated me. Instead of supporting a much-talked-about smoking ban at the time, though, I just stopped going to that restaurant. It eventually went smoke-free on its own, which is the way things like that should work."

Posted by: JakeD | November 21, 2009 2:16 AM | Report abuse

The People are beginning to catch on. The unwashed public has stopped believing the MSM and started to think for themselves. They are clinging to their religion and their guns and are more and more developing an antipathy for the elitists and Obama's way of doing things. Good news America may survive yet.

Dr_JES wrote:
Gag. Will someone please pull the plug on Palin? Surely there are other news stories you could write about? Please!
___________________________
Let them write about the White House parties, the expenses of AFI carrying the campaigning Obama on his many trips. The failure in the Asia trip. The failure of the Copenhagen trip. The failure of Obama to go to the celebration of the fall of the Berlin Wall. The low bowing to Japan's Emperor, and the Saudi King, the jobs not created, the Czars that are communists and Obama's days in Chicago with Rezko and Jeremiah Wright and Fr. Pfleger, and Louis Farrahkan, the failed housing projects, his mansion scandal, his kowtowing to China, his failure to stop foreclosures and help big business and his leaving our troops to twist slowly in the wind while he dithers and presses on a health care bill he has never read that will kill good health care, raise taxes, kill Medicare and put American into printing money and driving our dollar down to ten cents next to the Euro.
These stories and more. Write about the one party government that resembles Cuba and Venezuela more every day. Write a story about the fascism of attacking Fox News, his wanting to disarm D.C. residents when crime flourishes and home invasions are all the rage; write stories about his appointing tax cheats and Mao lovers. Write a story about the fact that his records from Columbia are sealed as are the records of Harvard Law Review and his support of partial birth abortion and so much more.
Write about the fact that his support level has fallen below fifty percent to about forty eight percent.
How about those stories if Palin makes you so upset?

Posted by: mharwick | November 21, 2009 1:56 AM | Report abuse

"Sarah Palin is Voting Booth Poison."

She's a two-word test of intelligence and integrity. You like her, you're missing one or the other. I can't think of many such concise determinants outside mathematics.

Posted by: nodebris | November 20, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is Voting Booth Poison.

Posted by: gradya3 | November 20, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

"How about weather? You all need to get a winter home in New Orleans. It's patently unfair to be enjoying this kind of weather a week before Thanksgiving.

Posted by: DDAWD
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Are the bugs gone in winter?

Posted by: leapin"


No, but they're a lot smaller.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 20, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

"She is not qualified for the presidency"
-- 70% of the electorate

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

"She is the leader this country deserves."

Stephen T. Colbert

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Palin says that being a mother gives her more qualification for national politics than anything she did as a mayor or, briefly, as governor.

It's worth pausing a moment to savor the richly variegated idiocy of that remark.

OK, that'd be a slick applause line at a beauty contest if "politics" was replaced by something more er humble.

But "motherhood" is hardly a distinction, IINM a majority of women end up being mothers, no?

Are they all ready for the presidency?

It's nonsense like this that has so many convinced she's a complete ditz.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

The only way she's more qualified than Obama is the squeezing out of crotch cabbages, she's squeezed five and since Obama is a man he'll never even do one.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

"I had a good hearty laugh at Jake's "good reasons for quitting the governorship." That's about seven miles past naive.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 3:46 PM "
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Until both of Jake's palms wear out he will never admit anything negative about SP.

Posted by: JRM2 | November 20, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

@shrink2: Also check out

"Stealing Jesus: How Fundamentalism Betrays Christianity" by Bruce Bawer

"Doctrine and Practice in the Early Church" by Stuart Hall -- GREAT one-stop thin volume for the history of doctrine. A little thin on the Gnostics, but a great book

"Encyclopedia of Early Christianity"

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

How about weather? You all need to get a winter home in New Orleans. It's patently unfair to be enjoying this kind of weather a week before Thanksgiving.

Posted by: DDAWD
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Are the bugs gone in winter?

Posted by: leapin | November 20, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

they probably really do have to go that far
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Yes they do and if they care that much they qualify as scholars. The rest project their wishes and fears on what has been presented to them.

"Who cares?" was a rhetorical question, obviously. Everybody cares.

For fun check out, The politics of Jesus by John Yoder and Jesus, A Revolutionary Biography, by of course John Dominic Crossan (my second son's name is Dominic, first son, Benedict, yeah, its true, I care too).

Was Jesus the Jewish Socrates and or a deliberate political revolutionary or what?


Posted by: shrink2 | November 20, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Is it true that Palin could catch up to Gore in revenue?

Posted by: leapin | November 20, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

You can find willful misrepresentations just about everywhere, though.

Posted by: nodebris | November 20, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"Problem is that you have to look pretty hard to find the real teachings"

Very true.

Posted by: nodebris | November 20, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, in response to your question directed to me, the answer is yes, I am completely discounting a third-party presidential run from Sarah Palin. I seriously doubt Palin's ethos by 2012 will be so far away from that of the Republican Party in general that she will consider a third-party run an option, knowing all it will likely do is torpedo the campaign of the nominated Republican candidate. A lot of the die-hard Hillary Clinton fans were so sure Hillary could run as a third-party candidate and win after she lost the 2008 Democratic primary, but she was smart enough to realize she'd just lose and bring the Democratic nominee down with her in the process. Palin, for all the cheap shots about her intelligence, is smart enough to realize that if she can't be president, she's better off endorsing the Republican nominee and hoping that person wins.

A few people have posted comments to the effect that people won't cotton to Palin if she continues to complain about how badly she's being treated, but I don't know if I agree with that. It's a lot easier to paint a Democrat as a whiner than it is to paint a Republican as one, thanks in large part to the stereotypes about liberals that have been pushed by pundits and politicians for so long that they've been accepted into the collective consciousness of much of the voting public. It's like trying to paint the Democratic candidate in the race as being a heartless, money-grubbing monster; some people might accept the argument, but the vast majority of the voting public isn't able to comprehend that a member of one party might fit the stereotype applied to another.

Posted by: GJonahJameson | November 20, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I should post links to chilu sauce nore often, I just might get lucky and give zouk a coronary

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

"And with the appearance of the stupidest poster of all time on the fix, the blog will now spiral into the moonbats personal facebook page.

Is it recipes or fashion advice tonight?

Posted by: ZOUK"

How about weather? You all need to get a winter home in New Orleans. It's patently unfair to be enjoying this kind of weather a week before Thanksgiving.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 20, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

@nodebris: so do I. And you don't have to buy into the Son of God crap to note that Christ was one of those very rare moral leaders.

Problem is that you have to look pretty hard to find the real teachings, the betrayal of Christ didn't end with Judas, Paul took it up, Tertullian stirred his own intolerance into doctrine, and the final blow came in 325.

I've met numerous serious Christians who are learning ancient Greek to read the original texts, and they probably really do have to go that far.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Which, by the way, is one of the reasons I find modern American conservatism so utterly appalling.

Posted by: nodebris | November 20, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"Who cares about Christ's actual teachings?"

I do.

Posted by: nodebris | November 20, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Both Palin and the huge percentage of Americans who think she is an utter clown are laughing at the rubes like SeniorVet and Jake who are buy this "book."

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Based on comments from those not ashamed to admit they've bought it and read it, sounds like the books is little more than revenge, whining, and apologia.

I had a good hearty laugh at Jake's "good reasons for quitting the governorship." That's about seven miles past naive.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh I don't care that much about doctrine either, I think the religion took a fatal wrong turn in treating Gnosticism as a heresy.

On the one hand the world would be a better place without all this mystic nonsense; science is now in the final stages of elimination the influence of religion (Newton was an incorrigible believer). On the other hand, there are vast numbers of people whose only restraint from crime and violence is the belief that they are under permanent surveillance by a vengeful God with a handful of lightning bolts. We'd have a saner society, but we'd also have people killing their neighbors for the plasma TV.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

"Contemporary Christianity has almost no doctrinal connection to Christ's actual teachings, and the fundamentalism represented by Palin and her snake-handlin followers has absolutely none."

Who cares about Christ's actual teachings?
Only scholars, certainly no one I know, least of all the Christians. For true believers in general, gods and goddesses, prophets and saints, they are inkblots, you can project whatever you like on them. Faith you know, it is unshakable.

All I care about is the evolution of Christian politics - how the religion transacts power.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 20, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"Rush Limbaugh got some bad advice from whoever told him to publicly praise this glorified doorstop as a substantive policy book."

Remember, Rush's keynote speech before the conservative conference was that "policy doesn't matter." So his praise is entirely consistent with his contempt for substantive policy.

Posted by: nodebris | November 20, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

@shrink2: my interest drops to zero with the Council of Nicea aka the First Ecumenical in 325 AD, when the Roman Empire became the Holy. Meister Eckhardt (17th century) excepted.

This was the meeting where all the books of scripture that placed salvation as a personal responsibility were chucked away (along with all records of Jesus between the ages of 12 and 30) and only the ones that concentrated religious authority in a worldly church were retained.

Contemporary Christianity has almost no doctrinal connection to Christ's actual teachings, and the fundamentalism represented by Palin and her snake-handlin followers has absolutely none.

For someone who spends so much time trumpeting his Christianity, JakeD doesn't know any more about it than he knows about basic science. Supernatural stratigraphy (*guffaw*)

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"she enjoys publicity and is laughing all the way to the bank with the money she is reciving from the sale of her book!"

Both Palin and the huge percentage of Americans who think she is an utter clown are laughing at the rubes like SeniorVet and Jake who are buy this "book."

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 20, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

From Irenaeus to Grotius, A Sourcebook of Christian Political Thought 100-1625. (Eerdmans, 1999)

It was a brutal read, but it was worth it. Reading kind of gets in the way of ignorance, that is the problem. What if everyone got smart? No more ignorant masses? The whole world on the same page?

Posted by: shrink2 | November 20, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey SeniorVet, Palin isn't making money in any respectable way. I suppose you'd be equally admiring of someone who kidnapped children of the wealthy and exacted vast ransoms my mailing severed arms and ears to their parents. Beaucoup bucks, right?

The way you creeps admire wealth at the complext exclusion of morals is just plain loathsome. Palin is spreading division and hate and lowering our national political discourse to the level of a catfight.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"Not of this world" is the very definition of GOING ROGUE.

Posted by: JakeD

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Oh my God you know absolutely nothing whatsoever about your own religion. I may be an atheist but I know a hell of a lot about early Christian doctrine, I've read and own shelves of books of the writings of early church fathers like Iranaeus, Origen, Tertullian, and I can say with some legitimate authority that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

"My kingdom is not of this world" is one of Christ's most important utterances. It refers much more to something like the original and enduring definition of "jihad" than it has to do with any of that one-dimensional fundamentalist snake-handling total-immersion twaddle that Palin feeds to the goobers.

Too bad ignorance is massless, otherwise you'd collapse into your own black hole and we'd be rid of your interference with the discussion.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone seriously believe that Palin will run for any office? With the vitriolic statements that comes out from the Democrats every day that her name is mentioned, she enjoys publicity and is laughing all the way to the bank with the money she is reciving from the sale of her book! I wouldn't exactly call her "dumb"....earning as much as she does. Why would she want to run for any office with what she is taking in?
A lot of people envy her earnings. A nice way to rake it all in!

Posted by: SeniorVet | November 20, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"And her recent swath of exposure doesdn't seem to be working. Her book has little to say about policy other than the most empty generalities about small towns and the virtue of ignorance,"

Rush Limbaugh got some bad advice from whoever told him to publicly praise this glorified doorstop as a substantive policy book. He looks like a fool for saying that. Or, he thinks his listeners are really, really stupid.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 20, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

6. She's tough to campaign against. Why? Because any perceived or real slight against Palin is taken by her supporters as an example of sexism, elitism, or media bias; just wait until Huckabee or Romney makes their first impolitic comment about Palin in a debate or an interview and watch the sparks fly.

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People on all sides of politics are already getting sick of Palin's thin skin.

Americans may pity victims, but they don't really cotton to chronic complainers, and they don't vote for either.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

How sad that Jake will spend his last few years on earth blogging for Sarah Palin.

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uhh, JakeD is like sixteen years old

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

So Bill Clinton is going to praise Obama when his main competition was Mrs. Clinton? How stupid are you?

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 20, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Nate Silver's talking about Palin getting the nomination.

Given her erratic performance at governing, her reflexive abuse of power, her complete lack of executive skill at taking advantage of her new fame and money in the year since she lost election .. does anyone (other than JakeD, who isn't playing with a full deck) really believe she has the discipline to manage a presidential campaign?

Please. She's a ditz.

And her recent swath of exposure doesdn't seem to be working. Her book has little to say about policy other than the most empty generalities about small towns and the virtue of ignorance, and in both book and interviews her main thrust is to get revenge on all the meanies who made her look bad, e.g. by throwing hardballs like "what do you read."

Check it, bleed, the more people see of her, the less they like. Why should this change?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

How sad that Jake will spend his last few years on earth blogging for Sarah Palin.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 20, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

And with the appearance of the stupidest poster of all time on the fix, the blog will now spiral into the moonbats personal facebook page.

Is it recipes or fashion advice tonight?

Posted by: ZOUK | November 20, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Can't you people go a day without saying something racist?

Posted by: DDAWD


that is what is referred to in liberal circles as putting up a brilliant defense.

Posted by: ZOUK | November 20, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Jesus christ. Can't you people go a day without saying something racist?

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That's like asking if a fish can give up swimming for a day. What would the goobers be if not racist? Wraiths and whisps. Bigotry is at theuir very core, not at all incidental.

As long as I've been paying attention the GOP had someone to hate. The poor, the non-Christian, gays, women who have abortions, Muslims, back to gays again, and by now, pretty much everyone with an education.

They've marginalized themselves.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Back on topic:

10 Reasons That Sarah Palin Could Win the Republican Nomination

by Nate Silver

1. Enthusiasm. People tend to see electorate through a one-dimensional lens, in which a fixed number of voters are trying to decide between two or more candidates. But that's not really how politics works, especially in primaries. Rather, the playing field is (at least) two-dimensional: people are not merely trying to decide whom to vote for, but also whether to vote at all. Because of the reach of her brand, Palin has the ability to engage the sorts of voters who might ordinarily stay at home. In the general election, that will include some voters who turn out to vote against her -- but that's less of a concern in the primaries.

2. 2010. Next November will probably be a happy night for Republicans and my guess the emergent c.w. will be that it occurred because of, rather than in spite of, the Republicans eschewing moderation in favor of (re)building their base. In reality, that case is likely to be highly circumstantial at best -- it might be that Republicans gain, I don't know, 26 House seats, but would have gained 33 if they'd run more to the center. But that won't prevent people from leaping to conclusions, and I expect those conclusions to tend to play favorably for Palin.

3. The other candidates are flawed. Mitt Romney has limited appeal to the evangelical base and is an unapologetically establishment candidate in a primary where anti-establishment sentiments are liable to prevail. Newt Gingirch has never been especially popular, has never won an election for any office higher than the U.S. House, and lost some street cred among conservative activists with his failure to endorse Doug Hoffman. Tim Pawlenty is unpopular in his home state, barely registering as a national candidate, and appears to suffer from Romney's flaw of running away from his record. Mike Huckabee, I think, is underrated, but the Club for Growth crowd will never like him, and his hokeyness could grow a little tiresome in the face of a year-long primary campaign.

4. The other candidates might not run. Although I doubt that Palin can clear the conservative half of the GOP field, someone like a Huckabee could very well decide to go ahead and let Palin run her course, re-entering the field in a 2016 climate that is liable to be more favorable to Republicans.

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

(cont.)

5. The media will be rooting for her. She's good for the bottom line; off the top of my head, I'd guess that an Obama versus Palin election would generate at least 20-30 percent higher ratings than Obama against Mystery Republican X. Also, some players in the liberal media may be rooting for her because they'll assume that a Palin win in the primary could give Obama an easier path toward re-election.

6. She's tough to campaign against. Why? Because any perceived or real slight against Palin is taken by her supporters as an example of sexism, elitism, or media bias; just wait until Huckabee or Romney makes their first impolitic comment about Palin in a debate or an interview and watch the sparks fly.

7. There are virtually no moderates left in the Republican base. Although, there may be a significant number of independents voting in some of the primary states, which makes things marginally harder for Palin than in election where many independents were sucked into the Democratic primaries.

8. Attempts by the Republican Establishment to neuter her may backfire. This is a corollary of #6 above. If the Establishment, owing to electability concerns or whatever else, tries to put hurdles in her way by re-structuring the primary or delegate allocation process, it may only play into the victimization complex of Palin and her supporters.

9. Parties tend to nominate more extreme candidates in elections against incumbents. This tendency is not all that robust, but you can find plenty of examples of parties nominating extremely liberal/conservative candidates in elections against incumbents, such as George McGovern, Ronald Reagan, Walter Mondale, and Barry Goldwater. There are some counter-examples too -- Bill Clinton, arguably, and someone like Thomas Dewey if you want to go back that far -- but on balance, parties seem to nominate more extremist candidates in elections against incumbents than in open seat contests.

10. She gets new media; new media gets her. Conservative blogs love Palin, as do most of the shock jocks; they matter a great deal and may help Palin ...

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD:

That's NOT racist. WHITE kids are taken out behind the woodshed for punishment too!!!

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"Holder certainly doesn't have any more grasp of things than Palin is accused of, and he is the sitting AG. He should be writing a book about the law of unintended consequences in the KSM affair. A working title could be "My Thoughts after being In the Woodshed with Lindsay".

Posted by: leapin"

Jesus christ. Can't you people go a day without saying something racist?

Posted by: DDAWD | November 20, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"The present situation is horrible, but there are many worse alternatives."

Imagining worse alternatives is easy enough.

Imagining what needs to be done is not very difficult either. But these peoples' imagination ends a few blocks away at Battery Park.

First of all, a jobless recovery is an oxymoron. The recession has not ended.
No one has confidence in the economy. The Chinese don't and neither do the American people. That is the problem. There is no reason to have confidence.

The S&P Price to earnings ratio is what, 143? Are you kidding? This while we saw 500,000 new unemployment claims in October.
Foreclosures are running at 300,000 a month.

This isn't the place to lay out what has to happen. I can do it, but no one really cares so it isn't worth the time it takes to type. Anyway, expressing confidence in these people while the looters enrich themselves on the free money they get to borrow spells disaster for Obama.

Last week Larry Summers said he was happy that the overall debt of the nation is not growing because even though the government is running up a huge deficit, American households are less in debt every month, so it all balances out. That is sick thinking, very sick. If the money from the federal deficit were landing in American households and that was what was helping them to pay off their debt that would be one thing, but that is not where the money is going.

The death of the American dream is possible. Don't think so?

Posted by: shrink2 | November 20, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

GJonahJameson:

So, you are completely discounting a third-party run by Palin?

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"Welcome Back Carter"

I love it!!!

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I think few people in the know really believe Sarah Palin is going to put together a serious bid that will even carry her through the 2012 primary. She's very popular with a very specific audience, but put up against all the other Republican contenders in 2012, the only way she has a ghost of a chance is if President Obama's first term is so successful that Republicans like Mitt Romney decide to hold off on challenging him and just wait for 2016. And there's no way Obama's re-election bid will be that much of a cakewalk.

Even so, I would expect some of the other 2012 Republican contenders to pay Palin a little more lip service. After all, she makes a convenient target for lazier Democrats and moderate Republicans who don't want to research whom to bash when Palin is such an obvious target. Most Republicans and a whole heck of a lot of Democrats started attacking Hillary Clinton's 2008 ambitions about three seconds after John Kerry conceded to President Bush in 2004, only for Obama to end up as the eventual nominee. Republicans can let Palin absorb the majority of the blows for three years; she's the highest-profile potential Republican presidential candidate out there, and name recognition goes a long way in those midterm polls when a lot of voters aren't paying nearly as much attention as they claim they are.

If Palin goes into the 2012 primaries on top of all those polls that have propped her up due to her high name recognition, the other Republicans can campaign as underdogs, and Republicans often run much better campaigns as underdogs. Palin takes all the heat from Democrats and moderate Republicans, the eventual nominee gets to run a campaign to which he or she is better suited, and come general election time, most of the voters who said they'd stay home in November after Palin lost will vote for the Republican anyway. People who claim they'll sit out the general after their favorite candidate loses the primary are usually lying.

Despite her low chances of success, Palin represents a very big opportunity for the Republican Party if they play their cards right.

Posted by: GJonahJameson | November 20, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

August 5, 2008:

Question: Is he ready to be President?

BILL CLINTON: You could argue that no one's ever ready to be President. I mean, I certainly learned a lot about the job in the first year.

[...]

Question: You think he's completely qualified to be President?

CLINTON: The Constitution sets qualifications for the President ...

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

anyone with over two years experience giving speeches and fundraising is more qualfied.

I think that lesson is clear to just about everyone now. At this point it is more along the lines of limiting the damage done from Welcome Back Carter.

Posted by: ZOUK | November 20, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Even assuming arguendo that Obama was born in the U.S., Sarah Palin is still more qualified to be President than Barack Obama.

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Given that Jake thinks Obama wasn't born in the U.S., he is by that definition not qualified to be preSideNt.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 20, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

All of you convinced that she could never win, who want the GOP to be the minority for a long time, should send your donations now and urge her to run.

http://www.SarahPAC.com

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

@shrink - And do what? Appoint who?

I can tell you what would happen if there was a sweeping firing of any financial adviser (presumably, you mean don't reappoint Bernanke). Good-bye dollar. Try borrowing money if the Chinese refuse to buy more T-bills. If the president shows no confidence in his appointees after 10 months in office, do you think anyone will have confidence in the U.S. economy? That includes any business which might do the hiring. The present situation is horrible, but there are many worse alternatives.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 20, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

caribis:

Mike Huckabee is more qualified to be President than Barack Obama.

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I have a very positive opinion of Huckabee, but I don't think he is qualified to be President. Nice guy to be around, but not exactly Presidential material.

Posted by: caribis | November 20, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Only the truly deranged still have any notion that this present ident belongs where he is. you can find those poor souls here on the fix, posting the loony ideas non stop, day and night. as if chanting them will alter reality:

From today's WaPo:

""Growing discontent over the economy and frustration with efforts to speed its recovery boiled over Thursday on Capitol Hill in a wave of criticism and outright anger directed at the Obama administration.

President Obama's allies in the Congressional Black Caucus, exasperated by the administration's handling of the economy, unexpectedly blocked one his top priorities, using a legislative maneuver to postpone the approval of financial reform legislation by a key House committee.

Even Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), a friend of the administration, suggested that Geithner had been inconsistent in addressing China's practice of keeping its currency low against the dollar.

And Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.) said Wednesday on MSNBC that he thinks Geithner should step down, pointing to his handling of the aftermath of American International Group's meltdown. ""

wow, if Krazy Keith has figured it out, just how blind, deaf and stupid are the last few holdouts who think Barry has a clue what he is doing.

I know, I know, a summit. that will fix everything.

Posted by: ZOUK | November 20, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I can think of one very intelligent idea Huckabee discussed when he ran for President.

I can't think of a single equally intelligent idea Palin discussed as VP nominee.

Republicans need to decide if they want to win elections (means voters who don't use labels and may be independent minded, no matter how they are registered) or if they only want to "appeal to the base".

Their call, and that can't be decided by anyone saying "but the Democrats..."

Posted by: GHDEL | November 20, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"He should be writing a book about the law of unintended consequences in the KSM affair."
___________________________________________

The KSM circus is just getting started (I love that beard!), it is going to an atrocious mess. I suppose Holder could write the Introduction now.

As for getting stuck in a woodshed by Lindsay, it must be crowded in there. Graham's constituents are already pretty clear he and John Kerry are lovers.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 20, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD:

"... a lot of people who were willing to give her the benefit of the doubt simply won't do so anymore ..."

How many is that? Not THIRTY MILLION!!! And, if any of those people would simply read her book, I think their doubts would be put to rest.

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Holder certainly doesn't have any more grasp of things than Palin is accused of, and he is the sitting AG. He should be writing a book about the law of unintended consequences in the KSM affair. A working title could be "My Thoughts after being In the Woodshed with Lindsay".

Posted by: leapin | November 20, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

ddawd writes
"[If Palin] runs, she will have to put herself out there. People say that McCain used her wrongly. I disagree. It was smart to keep her under wraps since she was clearly a detriment among voters who wanted competence. But after those interviews, her failure to grasp the issues was inescapable. If she runs, that failure will be magnified tenfold."

This, combined with your earlier comment on the debate with Biden, raises an interesting issue. That is, how will competitors for the GOP nomination in 2012 handle attacking her without alienating the enthralled masses that think she's the combined reincarnation of Reagan, Washington and the Virgin Mary? As noted by others, the Dems had this problem last year - with two candidates, HRC & BHO - how do you attack without alienating their supporters and/or natural constituencies? For 2012, can Pawlenty or Romney make an effective attack that doesn't alienate them from the conservative base? Or do they have to rely on Huckabee or another social con to perform that function? Or, if you're Romney, do you find a way to get her a lucrative job in broadcasting & make that too good a deal to pass up for the long slog of a Presidential campaign?

Posted by: bsimon1 | November 20, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

BB, I agree that the wardrobe thing was stupid. It shows the complicity of the press in really destroying intelligent political discourse. It was a non issue and idiotic that a deal was made out of it.

I think Swift Boat really changed the news game. Bush's attack on Kerry's military service was demonstrative of the fact that if you keep throwing sh*t at the wall, something will stick. The press is continually trying to create the next swift boat.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 20, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"He writes that he looked at the online fundraising numbers a few hours after Palin made her big debut at the Republican National Convention going after Obama as his only experience being a community organizer."

The thing is, her point wasn't that being a community organizer wasn't sufficient experience to be President. Her point was that community organizers were worthless people. That turned off quite a few people since there are plenty of Republican community organizers too. The experience argument is a valid one. To actually deride the position is not. That would be like Obama going after McCain for being a bad pilot. Obama constantly showed his admiration for McCain's military service and then attacked him on his political ideas.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 20, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

If Obama does not fire Geithner, Bernanke, Summers, his whole financial directorate, he will lose in 2012 to some Republican fool. I am stunned by his inability to deal with the unemployment crisis, these clowns evidently think it will fix itself as if all the pieces are in place and it is just a matter of time. So wrong.

Liquidity will not create jobs, it will, it is only creating rich speculators. Consumers will not borrow to spend to create jobs either, not any more, not with the permanent ? mark hanging over Medicare and Social Security and the post-retirement lifespan issues we face. We are living our own austerity measures, we have to.

Bush's plan, just go shopping, is also the sum total of the Obama teams' hopes (now that their banker buddies are rolling in free credit again). The Republicans taught us these harsh lessons. We have learned nothing.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 20, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

"JohninMpls:

Do you really think a significant portion of those who already voted for her once -- obviously they thought she was more qualified than Obama -- are going to NOT vote for her again simply because she stepped down (for which she gave very good reasons)?! "

Well, I part of it is that Palin was really kept under wraps by the McCain campaign. She gave her hate rants and whatnot, but wasn't really exposed. Even in the debate, the CW was that it would be best for Biden not to pick on the girl. But it has been a year and she still has shown absolutely no grasp of the issues, can't string together coherent thoughts, and has just become tabloid with her whole family drama. Of course, you're going to have the people who still think Bush was a good President group who will vote for her no matter what, but a lot of people who were willing to give her the benefit of the doubt simply won't do so anymore. And if she runs, she will have to put herself out there. People say that McCain used her wrongly. I disagree. It was smart to keep her under wraps since she was clearly a detriment among voters who wanted competence. But after those interviews, her failure to grasp the issues was inescapable. If she runs, that failure will be magnified tenfold.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 20, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

ZOUK:

They are shocked, shocked I tell you, that Hailey Barbour refuses to endorse Sarah Palin -- even though Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Joe Biden, Dennis Kucinich, etc. did the same thing re: Obama while they were running. IIRC Bill Clinton used the exact same words: "of course he's Constitutionally qualified ..."

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I think Huntsman will run for Prez in 2016 -- as a Dem.

'Washington's ambassador to Beijing hit out Friday at negative U.S. media coverage of President Barack Obama's visit to China, saying it failed to take into account important progress on many issues.

The trip was the top news story in China, drawing strong interest from the Chinese public who, surveys suggest, are largely positive in their view of the American president.

However, much of the U.S. media coverage was strongly negative, accusing Obama of failing to gain concessions on key issues such as Iran's nuclear program and climate change, as well as being weak on human rights.

Ambassador Jon Huntsman said the reports missed the fact that the visit had yielded important progress on cooperation in areas such as clean energy, military-to-military exchanges and stopping the spread of nuclear weapons.

"I attended all those meetings that President Obama had with Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao," Huntsman said, referring to the Chinese president and premier.

"I've got to say some of the reporting I saw afterward was off the mark. I saw sweeping comments about things that apparently weren't talked about, when they were discussed in great detail in the meetings," he said.

Huntsman made the comments during a question-and-answer session with Chinese and American students attending an international relations program at elite Peking University.'

Posted by: drindl | November 20, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"If she can sell 300,000 books in one day, she can win....."

OMFG, and you slopers in the GOP are wondering why nobody takes you seriously.

Let's see, if she can sell a million books in a week, can she be dictator of the world?

But, then again, I digress.

It is all in God's hands, anyway. Part of the "Devine Plan."

Posted by: SwellLevel5 | November 20, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"If she can sell 300,000 books in one day, she can win....."

OMFG, and you slopers in the GOP are wondering why nobody takes you seriously.

Let's see, if she can sell a million books in a week, can she be dictator of the world?

But, then again, I digress.

It is all in God's hands, anyway. Part of the "Devine Plan."

Posted by: SwellLevel5 | November 20, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"Christians don't go "Rogue" or consider themselves "Rogues." They try not to be associated with the definition."
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Definition of "Rogue" is a deceitful and unreliable scoundrel. Palin"s type of Christianity is disturbing. No REAL GOD fearing Christian would continue to "LIE" non-stop. Lying is a sin of abomination. Her book (written by an alleged Christian who partner with a racist, bigot formerly of the Washington Times, McCain - no relationship to John McCain.)is consistant mis-truths that was harmful to people. We saw the Couric interview. There was no conspiracy. Palin had NO real answers.

Conscience is defiled and dulled with constant SIN such as constant LYING... Palin Scriptures to read: (Better read the ampliefied version so that you can get a better understand)
• Numbers 32:23
• Proverbs 27:19
• Isaiah 3:9-11
• Titus 1:15
√ You did not write your book. (Ghost writer who alluded to being a Christian. A practicing Christian would be leery of not writing true facts)
√ There are many items in your book that are not true. (Absolutely transparent)
√ Since becoming known, you have told COUNTLESS Lies and before you were known. If you want to be Pres. we're just asking for you to be HONEST...
√ As a parent, would not want my legacy to my children, to be known and proven to be a liar worldwide.

Regardless of your national visibility you are TRANSPARENT TO THOSE WHO KNOW HOW TO CHECK THE SPOKEN AND WRITTEN WORD. DO YOU HAVE NO SHAME?

ITEMS:
"But even a friendly interview can be treacherous. In a sit-down with Fox News' Sean Hannity Wednesday night, Palin did not know the difference between Iraq and Iran several times." (another LIE)Hannity never corrected her. He was quitely embarassed. She wasn't confused, just didn't know. Ready for 2012.
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Please do not write comparing Palin to the President. She's just an unemployed citizen with no REAL power.She incites FEAR
which is another SIN....

No more about Palin. The world has serious
problems we need to resolve. Not knowing the difference between Iraq and Iran is not one of them.....

Still very much Loving this Country

Posted by: lindarc | November 20, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Organizing for America, the DNC's campaign arm set up to support President Obama's agenda, has a familiar target today: Sarah Palin.

Mitch Stewart, OFA's director, told supporters in an email just now they need help to raise "$500,000 in the next week to push back against Sarah Palin and her special interest allies."

His argument is that Palin's "lies" about health care are "widely covered by the media, then constantly echoed by right-wing attack groups and others who are trying to defeat reform." He uses her death panels meme as an example.

In his book "The Audacity to Win," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said he was shocked that Palin was such a good fundraising driver for the team.

He writes that he looked at the online fundraising numbers a few hours after Palin made her big debut at the Republican National Convention going after Obama as his only experience being a community organizer.

"I couldn't believe what I saw," Plouffe wrote.

More from the book:

"We had taken in millions of dollars in the three hours since Palin had started speaking. We hadn't even asked for most of it; we had sent out just a single unplanned fund-raising email highlighting her attacks on community organizers, but it was just starting to hit people's in-boxes as I checked the numbers. So the big response from the last three hours meant people were merely venting via contribution. Her speech might have ginned up their base, but apparently it had sent ours into orbit."
He said he thought, "I hope she keeps this up. Sarah Palin has now become our best fund-raiser."

Sounds like that hasn't changed much.

Posted by: drindl | November 20, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

With GOP support already dropping to 17% and new "Conservative" Parties springing up across the nation could GOP support reach single figures?

Has Palin driven the wooden stake through the heart of the GOP; then nailed the coffin shut?

Are GOP Senators and Representatives about to become an extinct species?

Posted by: walker1 | November 20, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Saying that critics are “understating the criminal justice system’s capacities,” two top Bush Justice officials came out in support of Attorney General Eric Holder’s decision to try Khalid Sheik Mohammed and other Guantanamo detainees in federal court. Writing in the Washington Post, Jim Comey, former deputy attorney general and U.S. attorney in Manhattan, and Jack Goldsmith, a former assistant attorney general who now teaches at Harvard Law School, wrote that the move is “unlikely to make New York a bigger target” and that civilian courts are a proven venue for terror trials:

[T]here is no question about the legitimacy of U.S. federal courts to incapacitate terrorists. Many of Holder’s critics appear to have forgotten that the Bush administration used civilian courts to put away dozens of terrorists, including “shoe bomber” Richard Reid; al-Qaeda agent Jose Padilla; “American Taliban” John Walker Lindh; the Lackawanna Six; and Zacarias Moussaoui, who was prosecuted for the same conspiracy for which Mohammed is likely to be charged. Many of these terrorists are locked in a supermax prison in Colorado, never to be seen again.

In terrorist trials over the past 15 years, federal prosecutors and judges have gained extensive experience protecting intelligence sources and methods, limiting a defendant’s ability to raise irrelevant issues and tightly controlling the courtroom.

Comey and Goldsmith are hardly the first conservatives to support Holder’s faith in the U.S. justice system. In a joint statement prepared by the Constitution Project, David Keene, founder of American Conservative Union, Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, and former representative and presidential candidate Bob Barr wrote Sunday, “We are confident that the government can preserve national security without resorting to sweeping and radical departures from an American constitutional tradition that has served us effectively for over two centuries. … The scare-mongering about these issues should stop.”

Posted by: drindl | November 20, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Except that the so-called porkulus cut taxes and there have been no tax raises. Facts such a hard thing for Zoukie to get his head around.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 20, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

a whit of evidence

here's a few whits:

porkulus that did nothing about jobs but cost 700 bilion

closing gitmo, not really, without a plan

announcing new strategy and leadership in Afghan without one

Raising taxes in recession

ruining the health care industry for all

bowing and scraping to all

surrender, appeasal and appology

dithering on Iran

dilly dallying on Korea

ruining energy for all

imcompetent and crooked cabinet and sidekicks

Other than the utter failure of the porkulus, name one single accomplishment this doofus has racked up. Picking a dog doesn;t really count although I realize in his case, it was agonizing.

Looks like a small whit.....

Posted by: ZOUK | November 20, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

John1263:

He admits to not closing GTMO.

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

If Palin has such a huge following she shouldn't be afraid of running on a third ticket in 2012. The Republicans can't risk having her on their ticket. They will loose the 2012 presidential election if they do.

Posted by: clairevb | November 20, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

More like the he poured gasoline on the fire, the fire is blazing, the firemen are inside and the fire cheif, Barry, is out on the golf course.

Posted by: ZOUK | November 20, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

rightards say things like "Obama is an unqualified disaster" and then offer not a whit of evidence to support that, or nothing beyond pointing out that he has not managed to fix a decade of republicon mistakes in less than a year.

Their logic is akin to an arsonist calling the fire ddepartment a disaster after he set finre to his own house - and basing that assertion on the fact that they only put the fire out, and had not yet rebuilt the house. And making those complaints while sneaking in every so often to throw some more accellerant on the smoldering ruins.

Posted by: John1263 | November 20, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

only if the lunatics are running the asylum.


Posted by: drivl

More reports from home????

Posted by: ZOUK | November 20, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

MILLER123:

"Not of this world" is the very definition of GOING ROGUE.

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Because he was vetted for over 6 months, more than any of the tax cheats in the cabinet, the most qualified and trustworthy member of the Obama gang, hood, mob, etc, is......

Bo the Dog.

Now if biden would simply step down and Barry would vow that he will leave office to the proper replacement, the Democrats might stand a chance in an upcoming election.

Otherwise, the Repubs could run Mickey Mouse and win. Regardless of what Palin's qualifications are, the voters are all set to pull the NOT BARRY lever. In much the same way that qualifications went out the window last time and voters were in the NOT REPUB mood. We saw how that worked out - unmitigated disaster.

this is not to say that Sarah is not qualified. It would be next to impossible to screw things up worse than the anti-American leftist doofus has done.

I think Bo should get more input in the time they have left.

Posted by: ZOUK | November 20, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Palin/Beck 2010..."

..only if the lunatics are running the asylum.


Posted by: drindl | November 20, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

No kidding that is a scary thought only thing worse would be Rush/Palin

Posted by: lildg54 | November 20, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

The interview with Nicole Wallace was quite interesting. The strongest argument can be made that the McCain campaign was badly organized. They hired the stylist right before the convention and told her to outfit the entire family. Didn't blink at the fee--which was considerable (I think about $50k). Given that kind of a budget for the stylist, it's hard to see why she would be expected to shop at Ross and Marshalls.

What doesn't show class is going after the stylist who did her job well. The campaign could have and should have set a budget if they thought it would be a problem. Truth is, presidential campaigns now cost hundred of *millions* of dollars. The wardrobe costs were probably right up there with confetti. Not even in the noise.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 20, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour's position on Sarah Palin is true: it is parochial. If you remember back when he was Chairman of the RNC, he said he didn't want Pat Robertson and those like him in the party while fully welcoming the Log Cabin Republicans.This is what the Republicans are afraid of, pure and simple.

Posted by: quiensabe | November 20, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

The things that make palin so loathsome to anyone with a brain are the exact same attributes that endear her to the right. They think bumper sticker slogans and kistchy cliches are wisdom.

Posted by: John1263 | November 20, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: drindl | November 20, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse __________


I SINCERELY HOPE that the FBI, CIA, NSA or whoever is MONITORING THOSE FOLKS ON TWITTER or whereever else this disturbing post that I WILL NOT EVEN PUT HERE;

These are the people that should be taken out the same as people say that the shooter at FT. Hood should have been taken out.

This is not free speech. THIS IS A DIRECT THREAT, and these people posting this should be found and jailed

THIS IS NOT A CHRISTIAN THING TO POST> THES people are not better than the ISLAMISTS out to destroy our country.

Posted by: kare1 | November 20, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: drindl | November 20, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse __________


I SINCERELY HOPE that the FBI, CIA, NSA or whoever is MONITORING THOSE FOLKS ON TWITTER or whereever else this disturbing post that I WILL NOT EVEN PUT HERE;

These are the people that should be taken out the same as people say that the shooter at FT. Hood should have been taken out.

This is not free speech. THIS IS A DIRECT THREAT, and these people posting this should be found and jailed

THIS IS NOT A CHRISTIAN THING TO POST> THES people are not better than the ISLAMISTS out to destroy our country.

Posted by: kare1 | November 20, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

JohninMpls:

Do you really think a significant portion of those who already voted for her once -- obviously they thought she was more qualified than Obama -- are going to NOT vote for her again simply because she stepped down (for which she gave very good reasons)?!

She gave very good reasons LOL LOL give me a break yes they would probably vote for again though that is what is scary they are idiots

Posted by: lildg54 | November 20, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

"Palin/Beck 2010..."

..only if the lunatics are running the asylum.

Posted by: drindl | November 20, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Palin/Beck 2010...

Posted by: TOMHERE | November 20, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Moreover, the incentive offered any jihadi is as irresistible as it is perverse: Kill as many civilians as possible on American soil and Holder will give you Miranda rights, a lawyer, a propaganda platform -- everything but your own blog.

Moreover, everyone knows that whatever the outcome of the trial, KSM will never walk free. He will spend the rest of his natural life in U.S. custody. Which makes the proceedings a farcical show trial from the very beginning.

Just another big TV show for the Obama folks. do they ever consider anything else?

Posted by: ZOUK | November 20, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Christians don't go "Rogue" or consider themselves "Rogues." They try not to be associated with the definition.

Posted by: MILLER123 | November 20, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

The headline for the lead item should have been:

Future ex-GOP leaders hesitate to embrace Palin

Posted by: fgoepfert1 | November 20, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

please G-d make her go away and media please ignore her, please it will help us all and wiil benefit us all do America a favor and make Sarah a back page story which is what she is.

Posted by: lildg54 | November 20, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

People pleezz, why are we continuing this debate? Sarah "the Pittbull" Palin has no interest in being the POTUS EVER! It's just too hard and she more than anyone else knows that. Heck, once she got beyond being Queen Wasilla she knew she was in over her head, hence the reason she hired an Administrator to handle all of her affairs as Gov. She knew being a VP would be easy, because she wouldn't need to think, but would hold a position that would surely put her in position to gain a reasonable amount of wealth. At this point Ms. Pittbull is simply looking to make as much money as she can before her well runs dry. You can be sure when the primary season rolls around for the 2012 elections, the primary thing that will be on the Pittbull's mind will be landing a gig that will pay her what she'll lose after everyone realizes that she's been riding that cash pig all along with no intention of cashing it in. Sarah Palin and her family are the Beverly Hillbillies of the new millennium and she knows that she has 2 years max to build her gravy train...poor us for having to deal with her for that long...

Posted by: Beingsensible | November 20, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

jaxas -- I like your posts. But to attribute criticism of Bush with nothing but partiisan rancor is just wrong. You know, he made a few mistakes? Like Iraq? Like a trillion dollars and god knows how many american lives and we still can't leave? Or shepherding the economy over a cliff with the help of his deregulating, tax-cutting monkeys? I didnd't start off disliking Bush. When I did it was based on his my-way-or-the-highway attitude. Whereas the rightwingers hated Obama from day one.

And I beleive they beleive every word they say. Their hatred has deranged them.

I am pleased to say Palin, the hater in chief, will not be allowed to use a US military base to attack the Commander in Chief.

" The Army wants Palin’s appearance at Fort Bragg on Monday to be much quieter.

The base has asked Palin not to make a speech at a public book-signing at the base exchange; she also will not write personal notes, pose for photographs or sign anything besides her new memoir, “Going Rogue: An American Life.”

Fort Bragg also wanted to bar reporters from the event. Garrison Commander Col. Stephen J. Sicinski determined that by keeping out the media, the base would prevent Palin, a Republican and possible candidate in 2012, from having a platform from which to attack President Barack Obama, a Democrat.

“Fort Bragg, nor any other Army installation, cannot be used or appear to be used as endorsing criticism of the commander in chief,” said base spokesman Thomas D. McCollum. “Because this book signing is turning into a political platform with the addition of media coverage, we are restricting the media coverage.”


Posted by: drindl | November 20, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

We are suckers, Rothenburg gets paid to write about why he is sick of Palin talk.

So apart from all this contempt, who's to like? Oregon Rep Peter DeFazio.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/nwheadlines/2009/11/oregon_rep_peter_defazio_calls.html

Posted by: shrink2 | November 20, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

JohninMpls:

Do you really think a significant portion of those who already voted for her once -- obviously they thought she was more qualified than Obama -- are going to NOT vote for her again simply because she stepped down (for which she gave very good reasons)?!

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

She has pushed a hot button of lot of people!!
That was the idea any way.

Posted by: 68b2b | November 20, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

"Opa2:

As a good Democrat, you are overestimating how many McCain voters will stay home. They already voted FOR her once, knowing she could have become President, because they believed she was more qualified than Obama."

You're completely deranged.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 20, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Obama is an unmitigated disaster, but the GOP is still full of cowards and half-men.
It is a real shame that the today's Republicans have no gonads and no guts to fight the policies of the arch-leftist and traitor to our Constitution, Obama.

Posted by: walterndebby | November 20, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

We'll see.

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

The reason why the GOP does not or will endorse Palin as their de facto spokesperson is because they know she has no potential..beyond taking hits on the current administration.

People like Palin or the Beck folks do more dishonor on our country and they perhaps know. Slanting facts to favor their position; using video to substantiate the numbers when the video is old..

All this "hate" does nothing to bring our country together after the Iraq War..the war that did not have to...budgets gone totally out of sight and a policy in Afghanistan which was only a holding action...all this was done under the GOP watch with Bush and Cheney at the helm.

I only hope the American people look at the dept of our problems and understand who was the real responsible party and people behind our current situation.

Afgh/2003; Iraq/2005

Posted by: LTC-11A | November 20, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Uhhh drindl, George W. Bush may indeed have used cocaine in his younger years and yes he did admit to once having a drinking problem. And that information was before the American voters in 2000 who largely gave him a pass.

But during his term, he was blasted on blogs like thisone--myself included, simply for partisan reasons. My motives had to do with a bit of payback to the right for their consistent trashing of Bill Clinton's character.

The point I was making in my comments had to do with this hyperpartisan environment we are in where the fringes of both parties will put out the most obscene, squalid lies about whomever hold the office of the Presidency simply out of the anger, frustration and soreness of losing.

Presently, that is what all of these angry right elements are doing. I still maintain that none of them actually believes a freakin word they are saying. They just want to believe the worst thigs about this man simply because he won, he beat them and it really makes them sore.

I suggest they get used to this frustration because I have a hunch he is going to be around for a good long time because the people like him. Even if they do have some heartburn over his policies, as long as he looks like he istrying hard, they will re-elect him because quite honestly, the alternatives are so flat out horrible.

Posted by: jaxas | November 20, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

jaxas is on target with the 9:46 post in particular.

Posted by: bsimon1 | November 20, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

JakeD, even if each and every one of the 59,934,814 votes cast for McCain/Palin were by voters who believed that Palin was qualified for the presidency, that all happened before she abdicated the govenorship.

Death, lack of motivation, migration to third party candidates - would these have a greater effect than Palin's refusal to finish her term as governor?

(I think you're right about voter motivation among Democrats, though - re-electing a black president is not as historic. Voter turnout may be lower among those who supported Obama in 2008.)

Posted by: JohninMpls | November 20, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

pvilso24:

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Palin writes about the wardrobe "controversy" in detail, specifically naming Nicole Wallace.

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

sfc poll -- you make a good point. there have been quite a few polls posted here as if they were gospel, which has shaky methodology.

And now, from the What Else Could You Expect Dept:

"After emerging out of nowhere over the summer as a seemingly potent and growing political force, the tea party movement has become so rife with internal feuding over philosophy, strategy and money that some supporters fear it will disintegrate before realizing its full potential.

The grass-roots activists powering the movement have become increasingly divided on core questions such as whether to focus their efforts on shaping policy debates or elections, work on a local, regional, state or national level or closely align itself with the Republican Party, POLITICO found in interviews with tea party organizers in Washington and across the country.

Disagreements over those issues have spawned personal and institutional rivalries, at least one highly contentious lawsuit and — perhaps most significantly — resulted in the splintering of local, regional and national groups into a patchwork of hundreds of smaller groups that occasionally seem to be working at cross-purposes."

Posted by: drindl | November 20, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Silencedogoodreturns, when you say Sarah Palin is "popular with the grassroots" what evidence do you put forth to support that. What the hell is "grassroots" anyway. My experience has been that when that term is used it is most often used by the losers of the previous election cycle who are trying to undo the results of that election.

To be authentic, any grassroots movement has to be sufficiently broad to encompass the entire political spectrum from left to right. It is clear from the dizzying array of opinion polls that Americans are divided on an entire raft of issues ranging from jobs, to the deficit to health care. None of the opinion surveys indicate that any broad, monolith movement is taking place out there.

Indeed, for all of the bluster and the media attetion given to the town hall protests and the Tea Party gatherings, they appear to have had astonishingly scant impact on what the congress and the Whiote House is doing. And Palin's poll numbers if anything have gotten worse.

I fail to see the value of any "grass roots" movement if it cannot command the respect and spproval of the broader American electorate. And I have to tell you, there is absolutely noevidence that such respect and approval is out there for tewa baggers and town hallers. Quite the opposite is true.

Posted by: jaxas | November 20, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, alan8228 (Democrats who voted FOR Obama are hypocrites if they are now going to make "qualification for office" an issue : )

logcabin1836 and jato11:

Please forward all donations to http://www.SarahPAC.com

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"If she wants the GOP nomination, there's no stopping her (short of someone like "drindl" killing her)."

It's not Dems that are always spewing hate talk and assasination, it's 'conservatives' -- a word which has become a joke for these wild-eyed radicals, you being one of the principal villains in that regard.

Sarah will manage to do herself in with her stupidity and clownishness.

Posted by: drindl | November 20, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Chris- I've noticed an increase in the number of polls you've "obtained" from partisan pollsters showing results favorable to their cause. I'm glad you're working to get the back story and I trust you to vet these for methodology (sampling) and question wording before reporting them on this blog, but it would be even better if you could report what the methodology and wording was so your readers can judge for themselves.

Partisan pollsters do quality work, but they are hired by clients with an interest and therefore deserve greater, not less, scrutiny.

Posted by: sfcpoll | November 20, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"actually believed that George W. Bush was a cocaine addict and an alcoholic."

Umm, George Bush was an admitted alcoholic and cocaine user.

Posted by: drindl | November 20, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Why are GOP leaders hesitant to embrace Palin ?

The answer is in todays Post Op-Ed by David Broder. "A brawl the GOP needs -
Palin has a strong point -- GOP primaries are the best way to test leaders and ideas."

GOP Leaders HATE primaries. Like all entrenched elites in Washington they hate outsiders who challenge their positions and decisions.

I was amused after reading Broders Pro-Palin piece praising her logic on primaries.

I recall just yesterday the New York Times Style section piece that reveals the fashion consultant not Palin was behind the $150,000 clothing fiasco - that supposedly damaged Palins image.

Its hard to imagine Palin being praised and vindicated by the Washington Post and the New York Times a day apart.

Posted by: pvilso24 | November 20, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Opa2:

As a good Democrat, you are overestimating how many McCain voters will stay home. They already voted FOR her once, knowing she could have become President, because they believed she was more qualified than Obama. As for "what she is doing to all of McCain [SIC] his friends and workers in that book she wrote" have you even read it? I have, and she doesn't say anything bad about McCain himself. She specifically names two (2) campaign workers who undermined her then -- instead of doing everything they could to get McCain-Palin elected -- and continue to do so now. If you really think that THIRTY MILLION Americans who already voted for her once are going to "stay home" because she told the truth about Steve Schmidt and Wallace, you are the one who is delusional.

If she wants the GOP nomination, there's no stopping her (short of someone like "drindl" killing her).

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Man there are a lot of people here that are scared to death of Sarah Palin. Why the obsession? I wrote a piece trying to examine this. Many of you answered my questions for me, thanks!

http://www.examiner.com/x-26908-Fairfax-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m11d19-Why-is-the-left-so-afraid-of-Sarah-Palin

Posted by: alan8228 | November 20, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Look. The media has got to stop treating this looney right wing bunch as reflecting a serious "movement". Just take this poll that reflects that 52% of republicans believe that ACORN somehow stole the election in the NY23rd. Duh! Do you really think that in their heart of hearts they actually believe that? Of course not! Anymore than a majority of democrats actually believed that George W. Bush was a cocaine addict and an alcoholic.

We Americans will tell pollsters anything when we are sore and angry over losing an election. So isn't it about time that the media stop all of this ridiculous polling and analysis of every explosion of flatulence coming out of the White House and the Congress? It is all so meaningless.

I would be willing to bet anyone that if you injected Glenn Beck with Pentathol, he would confess that he really doesn't believe Barack Obama is a racist and a socialist, and is only saying that out of partisan pique and anger that conservatives got their hineys kicked big time on the 2008 election. And quite honestly, so are the rest of that hoary, hidebound bunch of sore losers.

Posted by: jaxas | November 20, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Al Sharpton has made a fine career out of being a victim. Sarah's well on her way. Much easier and much more profitable than, say, being Governor.

Posted by: nodebris | November 20, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Of course GOP "leaders" are wary of Palin - they are the "machine" and she is not. Which is why she is so hugely popular at the grass roots, where the machine is not.

Democrat or Repulbican, it is time for the machines to go, and actual "representatives" to take their place. Term limits, anyone? If it's good enough for the President...

Posted by: silencedogoodreturns | November 20, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

The far right keeps saying that liberals fear Palin and what she stands for. I can honestly say, as a true blue liberal that that couldn't be more untrue. In fact, as a loyal Democrat I and millions in my party strongly encourage Palin to run for President in 2012 and where possible we should vote for her nomination as the Republican candidate for the presidency. Heck, I'm even willing to donate $20 to her campaign. Seriously...........and as many Republicans know, this will insure President Obama another four years in office. So I say to Sarah...you go girl !!!

Posted by: logcabin1836 | November 20, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Politico is reporting this morning that the Tea Party movement is in danger of fracturing from within. I anyone surprised about that. They are like a pack of velociraptors. When there is nothing else around to devour, they will start eating themselves.

Look. Its not like we haven't been through this before and it is entirely predictable. Back in the 60s the anti-war protest movement turned on itself as well. This lseft wing equivalent of what the terabaggers are today had the same sort of anti-government rhetoric, used the same sorts of tactics of creating chaos and trying to shut down the institutions of higher learning, marched on Washington and even tried to shut down government by blocking passageways for legislators.

Like the angry town hallers they assailed legislators in both parties. And they described their silly, violent antics as a "revolution". Well, on May 4, 1970. ot all came to an end when four Kent State students were shot to death by national guard troops. After the Kent State shootings, there was a great deal of media outrage and harrumphing. But, not long after the revolutions was called off.

Richard Nixon won in a landslide that crushed the left and the only reason a democrat was able to rise again was because of Watergate and a candidate--Jimmy Carter--who was about as moderate and mainstream as a democrat can get.

By 1976, it was clear that the country was in the mood for moderation and sensibility. Ronald Reagan won because he offered a moderate, sensible conservative alternative that reflected a public mood that had turned on government spending, inglation and Carter's failure to address the energy crisis and the hostage crisis in Iran.

These are real world lessons that the Glenn Becks and Rush Limbaughs cannot possibly learn owing to their own ideological zealotry and irrational hatred of all things Obama. I suspect history will repeat. Obama will win in a landslide and if he doesn't do anything stupid, will go down as a highly respectable and historic President.

After Obama who knows? Neither party at the mmoment seems to have any leaders with stature enough. Rothenburg is right on Palin. She probably will even be newsworthy as a celebrity by then. At best she is a temporary flare in the night sky.

Posted by: jaxas | November 20, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

TO: "drindl" @ 9:07 a.m.

Certain legal issues have arisen concerning your post, which, when read in context, could be construed as a threat against the President of the United States.

Should we notify "the authorities?" Or are you an agent of certain authorities who are engaging in a media psy op known as "desensitization?"

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http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | November 20, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Heck, I'm a Democrat and I Support Palin. In fact I'd like to donate beaucoup buck ($2.50) to insure she's the Republican candidate.

She was my dream VP candidate.
She's my dream Republican Presidential candidate.

Go for it Moose Girl.

Yeah.

Posted by: jato11 | November 20, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Heck, I'm a Democrat and I Support Palin. In fact I'd like to donate beaucoup buck ($2.50) to insure she's the Republican candidate.

She was my dream VP candidate.
She's my dream Republican Presidential candidate.

Go for it Moose Girl.

Yeah.

Posted by: jato11 | November 20, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

From Wikipedia: 'Sharpton's supporters praise "his ability and willingness to defy the power structure that is seen as the cause of their suffering" and consider him "a man who is willing to tell it like it is".'

Sound familiar?

Posted by: nodebris | November 20, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

"...evidence of a general uncertainty from party leaders about how to deal with her. Palin is without doubt a political force but she is, as her resignation earlier this year proved, decidedly unpredictable."

Translation - "Palin is not a professional, political hack and a member of the gang. The right to steal from the American public is reserved by long tradition to professional RINO's and Democrat barons and their useful idiots in the lame stream media. How dare she try to undermine our strangle hold on America. The right to manipulate the vast ignoratii belongs to us by divine right. Who does this b---- think she is?"

Boo! Watch out Sarah's going to get you, hahaha....

Hopium dopium you effeminate nitwits

Posted by: JoeDBrown | November 20, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

SP is the Al Sharpton of the right.

Except not as smart.

Posted by: nodebris | November 20, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, Hoosierborn @ 906. It seemed odd that Hoffman would blame his loss on Acorn. As I recall, the minority population in CD23 is v e r y minority, although I suppose Acorn could have done a nefarious registration drive among impoverished voters of European descent -- I hear CD23 has some of them.

Really, this blog needs more thought and better editing.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | November 20, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

"poll that shows a majority (52 percent) of Republicans nationally believe ACORN played a role in stealing the election for Owens. "

Serious correction -- BIG mistake. That is the percentage of Republicans who beleive that Obama stole the election through ACORN. Yes, this tiny little nothing group with no resources stole a national election. They must have superpowers.

Either that, or the GOP is now officially a loony cult. Hmm..

Posted by: drindl | November 20, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

analgesic33, actually it is the legions of stupid Palin followers who are making her a millionaire... And she is laughing all the way to the bank. The only observable reason she quit her post as Governor was that she was itchin' to collect the loot and not risk that she is discovered as a fraud and buffoon. I really do not mind her fleecing her "base", they deserve it. A fool and their money were lucky to be together in the first place.


analgesic33 wrote:
Personally, I hope Palin stays away from running for President.

She's better off trying to get a Political talk show and then attack the Democrats that attacked her mercilessly...

They (the democrats and their hate) HELPED HER TO BECOME A MILLIONAIRE!!!

KEEP HATING HER and this will make her a MULTI-MILLIONAIRE.

GREAT JOB!

Posted by: rcc_2000 | November 20, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

"GOP leaders hesitate to embrace Palin"

The GOP has become a backward, obsolete, obstructionist enemy of the American people, but they are not suicidal. They still remember the 2008 "Palin experience". She and her ghost-writer cannot sell enough books to make us forget how unprepared for office, borderline psycho, and what an opportunist she is.

Posted by: free-donny | November 20, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's Comfort Zone...

The South and The Mid-Western States...

What do you know !

The Same 2008 Electoral Map and Same Demographic.

She Cannot Expand Her Demographic or that Electoral Map.

Reality, she's Ross Perot, without Any Substance.

The same talking Points of 2008, Same Conradictions, same Outcome in 2012.

Truth be told...

Palin will not be the Republican Nominee.

She'll not be given the VP Slot and she'll go "Rogue" again and be a Spolier like Ross Perot and Ralph Nader...

Her Nature is that Vindictive as her Book Reveals.

She's a Wasilla Hill Billy and Wears it on her Sleeves, 10005 Small Town Politics, attached to a Pretty Face, Sells Books to a Degree, but Big Time Politics Separate the Small Time from the Big Time.

Sarah Palin and her Limited Demographics was and will continue to be her [End Game]

Palin Debating Romney, Huckabee, Pawlenty, Condoleeza Rice on National and International Policy, would be her Undoing.

Tina Fey would have Material to Slay Palain with each Saturday during the Republican Primaries.

Palin: 2 1/2 Yr. Governor, No National Policy Experience, No International Policy Experience, No National or law Makers Experience.

Please, I'm Finished
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Posted by: omaarsblade | November 20, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I think Palin first book tour was staged...Because why would she cancelled the second tour to be on Hannity Colmes??

And why is FAUX NEWS embarrassing themselves with those fake picture that does not match the "real scene"?

AND THE MEDIA CAME TO FAUX'S DEFENSE...WHEN THE WHITEHOUSE REFUSE TO LET THEM IN FOR A INTERVIEW

NO WONDER THE RATINGS ARE GOING DOWN AT EVERY NEWS STATION AND NEWSPAPER

Posted by: danders5000 | November 20, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I would be that Sarah's supporters are among those who are finding this *really* funny:

"The newest far-right craze is an anti-Obama slogan that is making its way onto t-shirts, bumper stickers, mugs, and even teddy bears: “Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8,” which reads, “Let his days be few; and let another take his office.” The meme is also taking off on Twitter, with conservatives calling it “hilarious.” Commentators have noted that it’s unclear whether the intent is to hope for an end to Obama’s time in office — or an end to his life. But a look at the lines in the rest of the psalm hint at the latter:

Let his days be few; and let another take his office.
Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.
Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.
Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers spoil his labor.
Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favor his fatherless children.
Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.
Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD; and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out.
Let them be before the LORD continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.

Diana Butler Bass at Beliefnet explains that Psalm 109 is one of the “imprecatory” prayers, “a lament in the form of petition to destroy one’s enemies.” While perhaps intended to be a joke, she notes that the psalm actually “entreats God to destroy the president”:

Posted by: drindl | November 20, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

BULLETIN TO: Team Obama, Members of Congress

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Did this program target, and help incite, the Ft. Hood shooter?

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Posted by: scrivener50 | November 20, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Chris, that PPP poll you cited in item 3 was about the Presidential election, not NY-23

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/11/acorn.html

Posted by: HoosierBorn | November 20, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

thebump: That's President Oboobma to you.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 20, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

That's because they're affraid to look at a problem, think of what a maverick might do, then do that. And they're fearful of gittin mavericky and doing what mavericks would want and not that the great ronald reagan. Wink, you betcha!

Posted by: John1263 | November 20, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

It should be obvious to the casual observer that Palin is totally unqualified and appears to be mentally unbalanced. However, she appeals to the Republican Christian fundamentalists, Dobson, etc. I am not concerned about Palin herself but the fact that anyone would even consider her for any office. She is essentially ignorant, arrogant, and incompetent, even worse than Bush!

Posted by: kemcb | November 20, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

It should be obvious to the casual observer that Palin is totally unqualified and appears to be mentally unbalanced. However, she appeals to the Republican Christian fundamentalists, Dobson, etc. I am not concerned about Palin herself but the fact that anyone would even consider her for any office. She is essentially ignorant, arrogant, and incompetent, even worse than Bush!

Posted by: kemcb | November 20, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

as an independent, each of the comments made today were REMOVED BY THE POST.

The Obama way.....

Posted by: analgesic33 | November 20, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

as an independent, each of the comments made today were REMOVED BY THE POST.

The Obama way.....

Posted by: analgesic33 | November 20, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

here's a thought: McCain really did put country first because he realized when they wouldn't let him pick Leiberman, or a moderate, he decided to teach the "BASE" a lesson--far right wing candidates cannot win, too extreme, too far out of the mainsstream, etc... Unfortunately, it only riled them up more with the selection of Palin. and they still are deluded enough to think she's qualified. For me her judgement is outta whack cause no woman in her right mind, carrying her 5th baby would ride an airplane for 7 hours and drive another hour after landing with her amniotic fluid leaking--infection, dry birth, prolapsed placenta, cord around neck, etc. Yet she risked the life of this precious special child so that he would be born in Alaska? If so why not go to the Anchorage Hospital instead of driving to Wasilla? I could care less what her politics are, to me this says it all about her judgement, and character, or lack thereof.

Posted by: katem1 | November 20, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

JakeD's ranting again.
And again.
But he got what he wanted, someone to pick on him .
Here it is:
JakeD:"(or, as I pointed out, nine million of them to stay home, vote for Nader, die)"
ME:
"Or, as I type, stay home and have sex or shoot up."

Posted by: edlharris | November 20, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

The question asked of voters in Nebraska, Louisiana and Arkansas must have been badly worded or intentionally skewed to obtain those results!

With answers like that no one would believe the results.

Posted by: mwhoke | November 20, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Palin is not a beloved figure among Republicans. They realize she is not qualified and are terrified that she could become the nominee in 2012 just because of her frenetic base.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | November 20, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Wonder who the democrats will put up for the 2012 election....

Personall, I hope Obama runs again (he did win a Nobel).

I can't imagine the voters will make the same mistake they did in 2004 and re-elect this sitting President who has "done nothing" except triple the debt.

He's made a lot of promises....hasn't he?

Posted by: analgesic33 | November 20, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

"GOP Leaders Hesitate to Embrace Palin."

Stop the presses!

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cc: D. AXELROD / R. EMANUEL / V. JARRET / R. GIBBS / JAY CARNEY

We know from press accounts that the Fort Hood shooter was harassed, perhaps "community stalked." Did this federal black op program help drive him over the edge?

SECRET MULTI-AGENCY FED PROGRAM TORTURES, IMPAIRS, PERSECUTES THOUSANDS OF U.S. CITIZENS WITH NATIONWIDE SILENT MICROWAVE / LASER RADIATION WEAPONS SYSTEMS, POLICE-ENABLED VIGILANTISM: VETERAN JOURNALIST

• A Bush-Cheney spawned American Gestapo continues to commit serious civil and human rights violations under Obama. What has this wrought, and who is responsible?

TEAM OBAMA, CONGRESS MUST ASK: What do they know -- and when did they know it?

• Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan
• FEMA Director Craig Fugate
• NSA Director Lt. Gen. Keith Alexander
• Former JSOC Commander Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal
• DIA Director Maj. Gen. Michael Maples
• DOJ Asst. Atty. Gen./National Security David Kris
• CIA Deputy Director Stephen Kappes
• FBI Director Robert Mueller

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA" -- Also see, "GOV'T TORTURES ME WITH SILENT MICROWAVE WEAPONS, SAYS EX-HONNDURAS PREZ" http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-tortures-me-silent-microwave-weapons-ousted-s-prez

Posted by: scrivener50 | November 20, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I hope Palin stays away from running for President.

She's better off trying to get a Political talk show and then attack the Democrats that attacked her mercilessly...

They (the democrats and their hate) HELPED HER TO BECOME A MILLIONAIRE!!!

KEEP HATING HER and this will make her a MULTI-MILLIONAIRE.

GREAT JOB!

Posted by: analgesic33 | November 20, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

CC, something is wrong with the website formatting on the main Fix page. You should have the IT guys check it out.

Posted by: AndyR3 | November 20, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Hoffman's legal challenge in the NY-23rd is music to Congressman Owens' ears. It is showing Hoffman to be the angry right-winger that he is, and it will make Owens' reelection that much easier.

CC, there is also one point you missed about Hutchinson staying in her job until after the Primary. If she loses (poll numbers would be nice for this, hint hint) than she still has a job which she can probably continue for the next 12 years if she wants. Her move is nothing more than a fallback option.

Posted by: AndyR3 | November 20, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Pamela, I think it sets up a fight within a fight. The CFG and the evangelical Rs are on divergent paths. MDH will have to raise funds without CFG, but I think he is now positioned to do an internet fund raising campaign.

SHP remains popular with many, although I was one of the naive who had bought her success story in AK before I heard her interviewed, after McC chose her. I could see her remaining a force in R circles through 2012, because anyone who still blew her horn after Couric, et. al., will never be convinced she does not have the equipment.

Having said that, I believe from acquaintances that the admiration that evangelicals have for MDH is deep, and not like the semi-infatuation with SHP. If my evangelical friends are in any way typical; my "unscientific polling" may be accurate.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | November 20, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm sympathetic to Republicans and I know she's not qualified.

Heck, she quit the post that IMO would have given her some credentials. She's just in this for the money. Someone who had designs of future elected posts would have been busy creating a legislative track record to run for the next office.

Even George W. Bush, the fortunate son, did his time as a Governor and finished the job he started.

Posted by: RedBird27 | November 20, 2009 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Mark, How much do you think opposition will from organizations like the Club for Growth hurt Huckabee's chances? My guess is that if, for example, Rubio can defeat Crist, then all bets are off for "establishment" candidates and anyone who can position him/herself as anti-elitist, anti-Washington, anti-typical politician has a chance to make it out of the primaries. But despite all the rhetoric, I think there are a lot of Republicans who are afraid they, too, could be swept away by tea party sentiments.

Posted by: -pamela | November 20, 2009 6:58 AM | Report abuse

pamela, I think the move to MDH is more likely than not. He is already the most popular R by every poll, and his fundraising should be improved by his TV bred familiarity.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | November 20, 2009 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else see all the Palin acolytes migrating to Huckabee? There are certainly some supporters who would go to their deaths advocating that she's qualified to be president, but my guess is that voters who actually think about issues a little more seriously will recognize that we could use someone in office who can do more than meet the basic constitutional requirements. So where due these folks go? While I think many of Huckabee's policies are simply plain wrong, at least he has informed opinions and executive experience (I believe he actually finished HIS term in office) - and he strikes that populist chord pretty well. Once Sarah flames out (please, oh please) he might prove to be a good alternative for the Palin-bots - although it might be fun to try and see them square their anti-elitist argument with a vote for Romney.

Posted by: -pamela | November 20, 2009 6:15 AM | Report abuse

Not a tough question: Gov. Palin is more experienced and at least as qualified as the disastrous idiot boy messiah Oboobma.

Posted by: thebump | November 20, 2009 6:06 AM | Report abuse

Why did Obama and the Dems ever think "bipartisanship" was a
good idea? One of our 2 major national parties (Republican) is crazy. They're not merely Cheney w/ a hunting rifle crazy. They've gone well beyond that point now. They're crazy Uncle Fred up in the attic watching the horizon w/ his binoculars and packing heat in case the black helicopters land on the front lawn today.


In 2000, their candidate (Shrub Jr) lost the popular vote by 500k votes and lost FL by any fair count. Thanks to convoluted ballots, a clearly partisan FL Sec of State (Katherine Harris), James Baker running over Warren Christopher, and an even more partisan SCOTUS majority, however, their candidate took power. In 2004, there were a visibly partisan Republican OH Sec of State, visible irregularities in counting OH ballots, and other questions. The reported popular vote majority attained by Bush/Cheney, however, effectively quashed any serious questions about it.


In 2008, Obama won the largest popular vote majority in 20 years. He has, however, never been conceded legitimacy by the same Teabaggin' Wingnutters who raised the "Sore/Loserman" meme 9 years ago. ACORN stole 10 million votes? Hahaha! They have limited financial resources and no governmental power.


Between the "birther" BS and the ACORN allegations, Republicans have shown us, once again, that trying to compromise w/ them is a joke. We won, and they lost.


Obama and the Dems need to start acting accordingly. They were elected on the agenda that they ran on (Health care etc) and now it's time to deliver. Screw the Repugs - tell them to go pound sand, and remember, todays Republican party is the same group of nutbags who tried to put Sarah the Ditzy Moose-Huntress a 72 year olds (McCain) heart beat away from the oval office. They don't deserve respect because they haven't earned it.

Posted by: DrainYou | November 20, 2009 2:51 AM | Report abuse

@Opa2: Much though I would like to see an Obama reelection in the bag, I think having Palin in our political discourse is toxic and depressing.

Besides, I prefer a fair fight.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 2:07 AM | Report abuse

As a good Democrat I can only hope that Sara Palin will be the Republican nominee in 2012. It would be Goldwater -Johnson all over again (Or Reagan-Mondale if you prefer) I don't give a hoot how many Republicans voted for McCain in 2008. Half of them will not support Palin. Not after what she is doing to all of McCain his friends and workers in that book she wrote. They may not vote for Obama in 2012 but they sure as hell will stay home on election day!

Posted by: Opa2 | November 20, 2009 2:01 AM | Report abuse

It's not nine million Obama voters who are going to die, it's more likely that nine million white haired teabaggers are going to kick the bucket. The young voted for Obama, the elderly comprise the teabaggers. See those town hall pictures? A lot of white-haired von Brunn types.

I know you nurture daydreams of Democrats dying, real class act there, but generally the old die before the young, and your GOP base is o-l-d

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 2:01 AM | Report abuse

"It's a fascinating back and forth that will continue to play itself out as Palin gets more active in political races next year."

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No, Chris, it's not fascinating. To be fascinating there would have to be at least some element of mystery, and there isn't any.

Palin is an albatross around the GOP neck, just like their Base. Their extremity is unelectable. The GOP certainly will have to find some way to deal with her, and they will have to decide if they want to stick to their ideological guns and continue to lose support and elections, or return to legitimacy by jettisoning the hardcore base and their paranoid fury.

They've painted themselves into a corner, and watching that paint dry is about as "fascinating" as it gets.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 1:56 AM | Report abuse

@DDAWD: Oh my no. Haven't you heard? Experience is elitist. True leadership comes from being ordinary as dirt.

Expertise is elitist.

Competence is elitist.

The new meme will be "elitist." And it will sell .. to the 17%ers, and nobody else.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Are the Republicans going to stick with the experience meme in 2012? That would be funny as only two people in the world who are eligible to be President have more executive experience than Obama.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 20, 2009 1:48 AM | Report abuse

From where I sit it looks like Palin is tearing the GOP apart. Just look at NY23 .. a district that had been in GOP hands for SEVEN GENERATIONS now has a Democratic representative, thanks to running someone of Palin's stripe, despite a solidly GOP electorate, despite boxcars of corporate money.

That's what we call e-v-i-d-e-n-c-e.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Hey Jake, let's try this again.

Where is Palin going to get 65 million votes?

What constituencies? What percentages?

To presume that she'll get every voter McCain got is insubstantiable; she won't. She's one of the reasons he lost, according to every sober analysis.

Never mind the adding machine appraisal, poll after poll after poll says that 70% regard her as *unqualified for the office*.

Just to connect the dots for you, that's 70% who absolutely will NOT vote for her, regardless of who they voted for last November. People don't vote for the unqualified, full stop.

So where is she going to get 65 million votes out of the 30% who regard her as qualified?

I don't give a crap how much it sticks in your craw that a black man is president, American voters aren't about to leap out of the frying pan into the fire.

What constituencies? What percentages?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Well give Haley Barbour credit for having a lick of sense left, he knows an incompetent when he sees one.

To suggest that Palin is qualified to be president is a belly laugh. She's shown unequivocally that she isn't qualified to govern a resource-rich state with a mere 130,000 people; she quit the moment she saw another opportunity.

That's what we call e-v-i-d-e-n-c-e.

She may be qualified to be mayor of a tiny town of 7000 trailer trash, but she doesn't seem to have done more than an adquate job there, either.

To suggest that she's more qualified than Obama isn't even worth discussing. Obama showed his quality by rising from obscurity to the presidency in a few short years, taking on and soundly defeating the greatest Republican and Democratic political machines in the nation.

Sarah didn't even finish her first term as governor.

That's what we call e-v-i-d-e-n-c-e.

And yes, someone should ask Steve Schmidt, he once believed in her, then he got to know her, has spoken to her many many many times, and probably has a pretty well-grounded appraisal of her qualities.

As in l-a-c-k t-h-e-r-e-o-f.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 20, 2009 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Palin is Toxic. She killed Oprah's show.

Posted by: thebobbob | November 20, 2009 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Just to avoid the last argument on this point, yes, I know that the official vote total for McCain-Palin was "only" 59,934,814

http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2008/2008presgeresults.pdf

That's close enough for back-of-an-envelope calcs, three years out (besides, if Elisabeth Hasselbeck keeps popping out kids, the GOP is going to make up that gap fairly quickly ; )

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 1:16 AM | Report abuse

What's next, asking Steve Schmidt if she's "qualified"?

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is more qualified to be President than Barack Obama. 60 million Americans (including Hailey Barbour, why didn't Chrissy Matthews ask him that?) voted for McCain AND Palin last time around, knowing that he could have croaked, and she would be President of the United States. SIXTY MILLION already voted for her once. Since every indication is that Obama will continue to screw up America, those voters will at least consider voting for her again. She only needs 4.5 million of Obamas voters (or, as I pointed out, nine million of them to stay home, vote for Nader, die). Hopefully, some of the remaining 100 million WOMEN voters out there realize what an historic election this would be. There's got be a few Reagan Democrats left too. If she can sell 300,000 books in one day, she can win. Please see our gracious host's last 50 threads on her.

Posted by: JakeD | November 20, 2009 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Will MDH use his popularity on FOX and with evangelicals to raise money this time?

He did remarkably well on a shoestring last time.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | November 20, 2009 12:40 AM | Report abuse

It's very strange that this blog says it was posted at 5:45 AM when it's now 12:20 AM. Computer glitches!

Posted by: sfcpoll | November 20, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

That's a pretty early morning fix! It's sad that it's come to the point that there has to be polling as to whether or not a matter of such great importance should be brought to the floor. Time for the nuclear, oh, sorry, CONSTITUTIONAL option (thank you, ex-Sen Frist).

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 19, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

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