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Morning Fix: A premature celebration for the GOP

Republicans in Washington can barely contain their glee at the turn of President Obama's political fortunes in the first nine months of the year but a new Washington Post/ABC News poll suggests the GOP still faces serious perception problems in the eyes of the American public.

Less than one in five voters (19 percent) expressed confidence in Republicans' ability to make the right decisions for America's future while a whopping 79 percent lacked that confidence.

Among independent voters, who went heavily for Obama in 2008 and congressional Democrats in 2006, the numbers for Republicans on the confidence questions were even more worse. Just 17 percent of independents expressed confidence in Republicans' ability to make the right decision while 83 percent said they did not have that confidence.

(While Obama's numbers on the confidence question weren't amazing -- 49 percent confident/50 percent not confident -- they were far stronger than those for Republicans.)

On the generic ballot question, 51 percent of the sample said they would cast a vote for a Democratic candidate in their congressional district next fall while just 39 percent said they would opt for a GOP candidate. (As late as this summer, Republicans had seemingly narrowed the wide generic ballot lead Democrats enjoyed for much of the last two election cycles.)

And, perhaps most troubling for GOP hopes is the fact that just 20 percent of the Post sample identified themselves as Republicans, the lowest that number has been in Post polling since 1983. (No, that is not a typo.)

These numbers, coming roughly one year before the 2010 midterm elections, show that any celebration on the GOP's behalf is premature as the party has yet to convince most voters that it can be a viable alternative to Democratic control in Washington today.

As former House speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga.) told the Post's Dan Balz recently, voters are "more skeptical of Republicans than they were in '93 and '94" when the GOP took back the House majority for the first time in four decades.

That's not to say that 2009 hasn't been a good year for Republicans. By and large, it has been.

The party that was left for dead in January slowly but surely -- thanks to a growing sense of frustration and fear about the growth of government under the Obama administration -- has crawled its way back to relevance.

But, relevance is not all it takes to reclaim the majority mantle in Congress. While Republicans are outgunned by the bully pulpit of President Obama, they need to find ways over the next year (or so) to make sure the American people know what they would do if they were placed in charge after the 2010 election.

In short: Republicans are still a long way from the sort of standing they held with the American people earlier this decade when they controlled the White House, the Senate and the House. That doesn't mean they won't find their way there between now and 2010 -- or, more realistically, 2012 -- but they aren't there yet.

Tuesday's Fix Picks: Eddie Royal and his returns single-handedly led the Fix fantasy team to defeat.

1. The hits keeps on coming for Chris Christie.
2. Your health care questions, answered.
3. Ron Paul is going to Iowa.
4. Stu on why Christie will win in New Jersey.
5. Michelle O. on Leno Friday night.

Inhofe for Rubio: Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.), a conservative firebrand, threw his support behind the Senate candidacy former Florida state House speaker Marco Rubio (R) on Monday calling him "exactly the type of conservative leader Americans need in Washington today." Inhofe is the latest national conservative leader -- former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee (R) and Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) are among the others -- to back Rubio's challenge to Gov. Charlie Crist (R) who has secured the endorsement of the National Republican Senatorial Committee among other establishment organizations. Crist still holds wide leads in both polling and fundraising in the primary race but his recent decision to begin running radio ads touting his conservative credentials suggests he is nervous about his standing.

DeMint Draws a Challenge: Democrats have finally found a challenger to South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint in advance of his bid for a second term in 2010. Attorney Chad McGowan announced his intention Monday and previewed a message likely to focus heavily on the fact that he has never before held elected office. "Right now, we have a government of the lobbyists, by the lobbyists and for the lobbyists," McGowan said in a release. "It's time to put middle class families first." For all of the vitriol directed at DeMint from national Democrats, it's not immediately clear that his emergence as a spokesman for conservatives will negatively affect him back in South Carolina. The state remains solidly conservative and Democrats are far more optimistic -- though not all that optimistic -- about their chances of winning the seat being vacated by Gov. Mark Sanford (R) next fall. McGowan is sure to benefit from some anti-DeMint money headed his way and reportedly has considerable personal wealth of his own to spend on the race but the demographics of the state are tough to overcome.

Click It!: Americans for Stable Quality Care, a coalition effort that has pledged to spend $12 million in support of President Obama's health care plan, is going up with two new ads in Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Indiana, Louisiana, Maine, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Dakota and Virginia -- as well as on national cable. In one wordless ad, a man is shown moving out of his home and into an apartment due to cost of health care for his hospitalized wife; the other ad is a more traditional commercial aimed at informing undecided voters what's in it for them as it relates to the health care plan.

Sestak Gets Ned Nod: Connecticut businessman Ned Lamont, who upset Sen. Joe Lieberman (I) in the 2006 Democratic primary only to lose to the incumbent in the general election, endorsed Rep. Joe Sestak's primary challenge to party-switching Sen. Arlen Specter (D) at a event in Philadelphia on Monday. "Joe Sestak knows where he stands politically," said Lamont. That's not something that comes from calculation, that comes from the heart." Sestak had touted the endorsement -- without saying who would actually be doing the endorsing -- since last week, and, on a conference call with reporters on Monday, sought to draw a straight line between Lamont's 2006 campaign and his 2010 bid. "He is someone we are modeling our campaign on," said Sestak of Lamont. One thing Sestak lacks that Lamont had in abundance is personal wealth; Lamont, like Sestak, was shunned by the party establishment but his deep pockets more than made up for the lack of financial support. Sestak is a strong fundraiser but does not have that luxury.

Say What?: "I've had a chance to work with this guy for four full years and nobody works harder or smarter for North Carolina than Richard Burr does." -- Former Clinton White House chief of staff Erskine Bowles (D), who ran against Burr in 2004, hands Republicans an ad next fall.

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 20, 2009; 5:44 AM ET
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The WaPo and ABC are widely recognized as just pushing a partisan position

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"are widely recognized"

Note the passive voice, which should always set off alarm bells.

WaPo is "widely recognized" as promoting a "leftist agenda," huh?

Coulda fooled me. The paper that carries George Will and Charles Krauthammer and lends them aplomb and legitimacy? Leftist?

You're daft.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 22, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

A WaPo/ABC poll?

Is there a legitimate poll that can support the numbers you cite? The WaPo and ABC are widely recognized as just pushing a partisan position, they're not legitimate news organizations.

Posted by: malclave | October 21, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Spin won't help you on Election Day. Plug your eyes and say "nananana" all you want, but that crowd of "70,000" is coming to the polls to show you it's true numbers.

Posted by: gorak | October 21, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Hate to say it, but the poll ISN'T skewed. There have been several polls out lately that show right at 20% of the country identifies themselves as Republican. So a poll that has 20% Republicans seems an exactly accurate representation of the country as a whole. Also, those same polls show ~35% identifying as Democrat. So its seems this poll is a very accurate snapshot of the American public.

Posted by: truth5 | October 21, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

The upside to radio right is that Americans get to hear the distorted, divisive, and inflammatory ravings of Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity et al.

Although these propagandizing demagogues give aid and comfort to the shrinking "base", they apparently are not attracting more members to the GOP.

I stopped voting Republican years ago when I first started listening to Limbaugh. As an adored spokesperson for the GOP, Limbaugh's distortions, half-truths,
inflammtory ad-hominen attacks turned me into a yellow dog Democrat.

I would consider voting for a Republican who denounced Limbaugh and the polarizing damage he has done to the nation and to the GOP. I don't forsee that happening in my lifetime as such a mythical candidate could not get the "base" support if he/she disses Limbaugh.

Posted by: mcafla | October 21, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

The GOP has had a good year thus far? Are you kidding me? 20% identification as republicans, horrid approval ratings, and buffoons like Limbaugh, Beck, and Cheney as their current leaders. Are we living on the same planet, Mr Cilliza? I don't find this analysis to be particularly accurate...

Posted by: chop1 | October 20, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

GOP, party of NO, no ideas, no plans, no connection, nothing, zero, nada, zilch..It is not a sprint but a marathon, the President and his team are chess players, whilst the party of NO folks suffer from premature excitement...long game vs instant point scoring..CC, you say that the GOP was left for dead in January, it is now October, and only 19% have confidence in the GOP or describe themselves as Republican..GOP still irrelevant..nice try CC.. party of NO, no ideas, no plans, no connection, nothing...

Posted by: ruraledcomm | October 20, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

By supporting protectionism over free trade, most Democrats are being reactionaries on international trade.

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I disagree on the universal desirability of free trade. When countries are so unequal as say India and the USA then putting them into direct competition will only hurt the USA as "market forces" automatically favor the lower income.

India's dalliance with American outsourcing has not benefitted the country as a whole; while many jobs elevated workers from poverty to (India's idea of a) middle class, most of the benefit has gone to a few wealthy Indians and there has been substantial environmental damage from people now making enough to buy cars and doing so in a country already choking on pollution.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 20, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Democrats in Congress offer only limited relevance to the problems of the 21st century. They are just as beholden to special interest groups, including some corporations, as Republicans. By supporting protectionism over free trade, most Democrats are being reactionaries on international trade.

Many Senate Democrats seem especially subservient to special interest groups, including private insurance companies, and are ideological cousins of conservative Republicans in opposing higher taxes on the wealthy to help pay for expanded health care. Any health care bill increasingly seems likely to not be true reform.

Republicans though seem to be hopelessly the party of business interests, the wealthy, warlike foreign policies, torture and homophobia. While the Democrats are in general a center-right party, the GOP is the modern Know Nothing party, in more ways than one. Unfortunately there is no viable progressive party in this country.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | October 20, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

The far right has truly gone crazy. Since they can't accept being wrong on anything and GOP rule during the Bush years have been a total disaster, their denial mechanism has clashed with their dim bulb mechanism and triggered their insanity mechanism. Since the media loves crazy, these folks got a lot of attention at first, but the public soon got tired of watching the loony claims that Obama is a foreign-born, teleprompter-using, mustard-eating, enemy-list-keeping, kid-indoctrinating non-citizen socialist fascist Muslim Nazi commie who wants to kill grandparents and turn the United States of America into the U.S.S.R. Now the crazies inundate online newspaper commentary sections and indulge in their ranting without recognition of just how loony they appear to everyone else.

Posted by: zvelf | October 20, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Among independent voters, who went heavily for Obama in 2008 and congressional Democrats in 2006, the numbers for Republicans on the confidence questions were even more worse.

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"worse" is already a comparitive, it doesn't need "more"

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 20, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

The assembled ignorance of Liberals on this blog is mystifying in its totality.

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is that right

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Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 20, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

CC, thanks for the knowledge. I noticed HuffPo picked up some version of your post today. Most important number: 20 (GOP support level). No more "GOP comeback" posts from now on perhaps?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 20, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Ah, yes, if you have nothing but rage, just yell about Liberals, Socialists and Communists. I'll bet most members of the radical right have a list of 205 Communist Party members in Hillary's State Department right now.........

Posted by: Dallas138 | October 20, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

The assembled ignorance of Liberals on this blog is mystifying in its totality.

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

To see the Republican Party summarized in less than 80 seconds, just watch and listen:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m01KdXEp2D0

Posted by: Dallas138 | October 20, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

The people who want Obama gone.. don't care who runs against him.

Posted by: newbeeboy | October 20, 2009 7:01 AM
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newbeeboy, the GOP tried that concept in 2008!

It didn't work!


Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | October 20, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

THE POLL HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETELY DISCREDITED:

As with most MSM polls showing support for Obama's policies, this poll uses a sample MASSIVELY SKEWED TO THE LEFT.

According to this poll, only 20% of Americans are Republicans. 20%. Meanwhile, 33% are Democrats, giving them a 13 point sampling advantage.

Even left-leaning Gallup says this number should be 6 and not 13.

Poll is a joke, article is a joke.

Posted by: mitchellvii | October 20, 2009 5:12 PM
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Folks, take it easy on mitchellvii.

Maybe he's not stating his views properly, but polls can be skewed in the way questions are asked.

Example:

A) If a public option in health care reduces the costs paid for medical insurance, would you be in favor of the public option?

Or:

B) If the public option in health care is considered a Socialist program, would you consider death rather than face President Obama's "Death Panel?"

Personally, I'm hoping mitchellvii considers "B."

Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | October 20, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Does THAT explain Newt well enough for you?
Posted by: ceflynline | October 20, 2009 3:58 PM
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Yes ceflynline!

That it is only about the GOP and screw the country.

Well! So much for John McCain's campaign slogan "Country First!"

It should have been "I've got mine, I want more, screw you!"

Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | October 20, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

hey mitchellvi, why do you think that a voter sampling produces different numbers of Democrats and Republicans? Do you think that reflects bias?

Er, why do you think Republicans lost the last several national elections?

When you're done screaming about ACORN ..

(pause)

guess you never will be. Never mind

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 20, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Don't plan on working in polling, mitchellvii. On what basis do you claim that there are the same number of self-identified Republicans and Democrats? Not to mention the other 47% of respondents in the poll. Should it be 1/3 of each? Or perhaps 1/4 of each, including libertarians.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 20, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

THE POLL HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETELY DISCREDITED:

As with most MSM polls showing support for Obama's policies, this poll uses a sample MASSIVELY SKEWED TO THE LEFT.

According to this poll, only 20% of Americans are Republicans. 20%. Meanwhile, 33% are Democrats, giving them a 13 point sampling advantage.

Even left-leaning Gallup says this number should be 6 and not 13.

Poll is a joke, article is a joke.

Posted by: mitchellvii | October 20, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

GOP feeling successful over the last 9 months? Guess its a case of "been down so long it looks like up to me."

Posted by: nodebris | October 20, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Are you serious Mr Cilizza these poll numbers show the Republicans climbing back to "relevance" when even you announced in shocked tones their ID is the lowest for nearly thirty years. You need to re check your relevance meter. The notion that these numbers are anything other that awful for the GOP at any whatsoever is bizarre.

Posted by: johnbsmrk | October 20, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"we'd rather be pure than popular

Needn't worry about the pure part, my septic tank is pure to, care to comment on that, perhaps you may percieve that as rude, it is, your no more pure than a bobble headed Jesus doll on a dashboard

and I love to take whats it's name bowling, but unzipping him from his anal bag would be to much of a hazzle for me,
and gripping it would be down righr odius.
(BTW)provide links to your assertions and tell me how much the REPICKANUTS are paying you for posting your pesudo-intellectual diatribes

Posted by: nightslider | October 20, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

sorry no cartoons available:

The data speaks for itself: in the very same legislative districts, Republican candidates have been doing much better in special elections after Obama took office than Republican candidates did in November 2008, when large numbers of black voters and young voters turned out to elect Obama. The big jump for Republican candidates appears in Red states (Oklahoma, Alabama, South Carolina, and Tennessee), in Blue states (Pennsylvania, Delaware, and Maine), and in Purple states (Florida and New Hampshire.)


These little elections across the nation confirm what polling data trends have shown: the nation as a whole is moving away from the Democratic Party and toward the Republican Party; the intensity of Republican voters these days is greater than Democrat voters; and these reach across all parts of the nation.


Some of the Republican wins are real eye-openers. Republicans have never had a state representative from Oklahoma's 65th District and Delaware's 19th Senate District has been represented by Democrats for a long time. Democrat dominance had been so strong in those two districts that Republicans did not even field candidates in the 2008 general election. The 30th House District in South Carolina had not been represented by a Republican in thirty years. In several of these races, Republicans lost the state legislative race in November 2008 and then captured the seat in a 2009 special election.


The tea leaves from these little races all over the nation should hearten Republicans and trouble Democrats. Other recent elections, like the surprising Republican win in the Albuquerque mayoral race earlier this month, confirm this trend. Democrats tried hard, when polls in Albuquerque showed that a Republican might actually make the runoff election, to bolster the Democrat front runner. These efforts failed. In yet another Purple state, voters in the largest city in the state have moved away from the Democratic Party and embraced the Republican Party.


But the careful political eye will look at state legislative races on November 3rd in other states. Alabama, Michigan, South Carolina, Georgia, Missouri, New Hampshire, and Washington will all have special state legislative races on the first Tuesday in November. If Republicans do well in these races, then a general Republican trend will receive powerful new evidence. Republicans, to be sure, will need to stand for something positive and principled. But right now it seems that the average Obama voter in 2008 is, today, apathetic, troubled, and wavering.

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I see Loud and Dumb is in such a snit, he is seeing double. and attacking his own.

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

could someone please tell snowbama the difference between the prepositions for and by. he seems to be using one where he should have used the other.

Posted by: ceflynline | October 20, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"Can someone tell me how if President Obama's agenda hasn't been successful, "The Newt" figures the GOP has had a successful year? Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere"

Remember how Newt got to be Speaker of the House. He got the whole GOP contingent in both houses to virtually stop all legislation in Congress, then ran on the Democrats inability to get anything done. He proposed his "Contract with America" (which he promptly broke when he won) and told the electorate that if they wanted Government to work at all they needed to elect republicans.

Republicans therewith got control of Congress, which promptly stopped ordinary work, like passing budgets, and when it did show up mostly debated deep republican groundswell concepts like should Terri Schaivo be forcibly kept alive against her expressed wishes. They regularly failed to pass budgets on time, (every year they were in control, to the point where they didn't even try for a budget in 2006) rolled over for any republican silliness hat came up, and told us what a powerful party they were.

Hey, it worked in 1994, why shouldn't it work again. Hold the nation hostage until we let them play Boss again.

The difference, then and now, is that the voters who remember the "Do Nothing" 80th Congress were largely in their dotage. In another fifty years we will again have a situation where nobody voting will really be able to remember when republicans ran Congress, and the next Newtster can again hold his breath and demand the Speakership.

But Newt learned nothing in his terms as Speaker. So he thinks nobody else learned anything either.

Does THAT explain Newt well enough for you?

Posted by: ceflynline | October 20, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I didn't expect those of little intelligence to follow. I was correct.

Perhaps a blog with cartoons would suit you more.

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"Every now and then I drop in to take a peek at what the gabbings about over clitoris recent meme, and again I come to realize what a total waste of time and energy it was to do so.
A newspaper ran by jews for jews, and official mouth peice for the A.I.P.A.C, there is nothing that they have to say that I want to hear, they are as bad as Faux Phoney news.
But what is striking is the same illiterate prognosticator's edifying a victory of sorts for a failed party that has become paralyzed from its own failings is too much for any reasonabele human being not, depended upon flash cards for their for their general understanding of the common weal.

Keep saying no you suckers, I like the hole your digging, it reminds me of hole that has been dug by the Home Stake Mining Co in lead SO Dakota, deep and wide. You could drop the whole of the Repickanuts Party into it, and not worry about hearing their echo'e of demise.

Posted by: nightslider | October 20, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse"

After posting that gibberish you have the nerve to call anyone illiterate, you piece of garbage?

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 20, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"State/District
GOP Vote 11/08
GOP Vote 2009 Special Election
Change

Maine House (89)
33%
66%
GOP +33%

New Hampshire Senate (3)
50%
68%
GOP +18%

South. Carolina House (30)
45%
54%
GOP +9%

New Hampshire House (4)
49%
62%
GOP +13%

Pennsylvania House (124)
68%
70%
GOP + 2%

Alabama Senate (7)
34%
67%
GOP +33%

Delaware Senate (19)
0%
63%
GOP +63%

Florida Senate (28)
62%
77%
GOP +15%

Tennessee House (62)
45%
67%
GOP +22%

Oklahoma House (65)
0%
56%
GOP +56%

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse"

Unless you put these figures into context, they are meaningless, ace. Unless these are generally competitive districts, these numbers are worthless -- sort of like you in general, numnbnutz.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 20, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"State/District
GOP Vote 11/08
GOP Vote 2009 Special Election
Change

Maine House (89)
33%
66%
GOP +33%

New Hampshire Senate (3)
50%
68%
GOP +18%

South. Carolina House (30)
45%
54%
GOP +9%

New Hampshire House (4)
49%
62%
GOP +13%

Pennsylvania House (124)
68%
70%
GOP + 2%

Alabama Senate (7)
34%
67%
GOP +33%

Delaware Senate (19)
0%
63%
GOP +63%

Florida Senate (28)
62%
77%
GOP +15%

Tennessee House (62)
45%
67%
GOP +22%

Oklahoma House (65)
0%
56%
GOP +56%

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse"

Unless you put these figures into context, they are meaningless, ace. Unless these are generally competitive districts, these numbers are worthless -- sort of like you in general, numnbnutz.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 20, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Every now and then I drop in to take a peek at what the gabbings about over clitoris recent meme, and again I come to realize what a total waste of time and energy it was to do so.
A newspaper ran by jews for jews, and official mouth peice for the A.I.P.A.C, there is nothing that they have to say that I want to hear, they are as bad as Faux Phoney news.
But what is striking is the same illiterate prognosticator's edifying a victory of sorts for a failed party that has become paralyzed from its own failings is too much for any reasonabele human being not, depended upon flash cards for their for their general understanding of the common weal.

Keep saying no you suckers, I like the hole your digging, it reminds me of hole that has been dug by the Home Stake Mining Co in lead SO Dakota, deep and wide. You could drop the whole of the Repickanuts Party into it, and not worry about hearing their echo'e of demise.

Posted by: nightslider | October 20, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Repost for the extremely thick of head:

OK, so maybe you long for some actual facts. you know, unadulturated versions of the world that can't be challenged. I can provide. you don't like polls, of course not. the only true measure is the one poll taken on election day. Let's examine the special elections since the tragedy that befell us in november:

But off the national media radar, there are plenty of other smaller elections -- special elections for state legislative seats -- which already show serious political problems for the Democrats.


State/District
GOP Vote 11/08
GOP Vote 2009 Special Election
Change

Maine House (89)
33%
66%
GOP +33%

New Hampshire Senate (3)
50%
68%
GOP +18%

South. Carolina House (30)
45%
54%
GOP +9%

New Hampshire House (4)
49%
62%
GOP +13%

Pennsylvania House (124)
68%
70%
GOP + 2%

Alabama Senate (7)
34%
67%
GOP +33%

Delaware Senate (19)
0%
63%
GOP +63%

Florida Senate (28)
62%
77%
GOP +15%

Tennessee House (62)
45%
67%
GOP +22%

Oklahoma House (65)
0%
56%
GOP +56%


Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

How's that whole boycott of Glen Beck working out for you moonbats?

you crack me up.

when you are done boycotting intelligence and thought, get back to us.

Who is barry's biggest enemy?

Fox News
The CIA
George W. Bush
Senate Democrats
Sarah Palin
The Taliban
Al Queda
The US Economy
Pollution
Decisions
Promises made

All of the above

OK. trick question, to choose you have to decide, which is your enemy.

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Actually I have offered three irrefutable methods to guage relative success. Elections, book sales and TV ratings.

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Elections, huh? You're speculating about the outcomes of gubernatorials that haven't happened yet. Counting chickens before hatch date. Better stick to book sales and TV ratings.

(*guffaw*)

Pretty flimy straws there.

But let's talk about elections anyway, ones that have already happened .. like the 2006 midterms. "Thumpin'" as your thcik-witted hero called it.

Or the 2008 presidential, the one you'd so love to forget about.

Barry. Barry. Barry.

Suck it up, zouk.

Palin is #2 in Amazon sales rank.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 20, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Poor snowbama, clinging to book rankings to demonstrate the GOP's relevance.

Posted by: adlynn24


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Actually I have offered three irrefutable methods to guage relative success. Elections, book sales and TV ratings. these are all numbers which are not open to interpretation.

Perhaps you could consult the Goracle for some answers. He thinks that a doubling of Polar Bear populations indicate a severe problem with their survival. then there is that whole warming/cooling thing, I can't remember which this week.

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

the popularity of liberalism by the poll that counts (after the election results I posted earlier) - advertisers are not interested in WaPo excuse making:

Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for October 16, 2009

P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,302,000 viewers
CNN – 503,000 viewers
MSNBC –334,000 viewers
CNBC – 197,000 viewers
HLN –303,000 viewers

P2+ Prime Time
FNC – 2,055,000viewers
CNN— 622,000 viewers
MSNBC –678,000 viewers
CNBC – a scratch w/ 99,000 viewers
HLN – 548,000 viewers


As you can see, Fox News has as many viewers as all the others combined. what does this tell you? Try to leave your loony liberal reasoning at the door and employ your brain. (a challenging assignment for the regulars on this blog)

Watch for the most idiotic poster in Fix history to claim something like, "Repubs just leave their TV on so that their heroes can get the ratings" or some such tripe.


It seems Obama is losing the war on this front too now. I wonder if he could go back and retroactively surrender in Iraq?

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Poor snowbama, clinging to book rankings to demonstrate the GOP's relevance.

Posted by: adlynn24 | October 20, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

So, only 19% of people polled trust the Republicans to make the right decisions, yet 2009 has been a banner year for the GOP? Gee, thanks for the insightful analysis, Chris.

Posted by: adlynn24 | October 20, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Senate, White House, and House of Representatives, now and for the foreseeable, that's how it's turning out.

How's that Permanent Republican Majority working out?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 20, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

you can't elect a bloody dog-catcher

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but it seems we can elect a governor of VA and perhaps also of a very blue state - NJ.

how's that lib leadership turning out?

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #958 in Books

Barry's book
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Amazon.com Sales Rank: #2 in Books

Sarah's book

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Amazon.com Sales Rank: #18 in Books

Beck's book

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Amazon.com Sales Rank: #2,132 in Books

Krugmanns book

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notice anything?

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Gotta hand it to Bush, nobody ever said he was "indecisive."

Pity the decisions he made so unhesitatingly weren't ever any good.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 20, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey Genius, "Even more worse" is not a real phrase. Nice grammar, moron. Oh, you're opinion blows "even more worse".

Posted by: shefellfunny | October 20, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Loud and dumb, as usual, has nothing to offer.

status quo.

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The Obama administration’s protracted share session on an Afghanistan troop buildup is turning into a debacle. The commander in chief looks weak and hapless. With Rahm Emanuel making the case for further dithering as Afghan elections get sorted out, and Robert Gates calling for a decision regardless of Afghan leadership, the president’s lauded “team of rivals” is now fractious and incoherent. He has lost the confidence of our allies. He’s losing (lost?) the confidence of his military and, frankly, at cross purposes with his commanders.

dither on oh ye indecisive one.

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Poor zouk is all alone today -- joked must be getting his colostomy bag changed.

At least a new rightwingnut named Ross O-Dumb has made a cameo appearance to keep zouk company.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 20, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

The GOP has lost its message by co-operating the religious right along with firebrand radio host/TV personalities. When they regained control of Congress with a Contract With America" message which included term limits. After tasting power, they decided that being in the majority is better than enacting any kinds of reform unless it is what they wanted without consulting the other side. On top of that they made Clinton the enemy by using every political mileage out it only to find the public blame them for the shutdown. Still they continue on heap blame on everyone but themselves for the mess this country was in. When Bush was President, they voted in lockstep with the rvery initiatives he supported including deficit spending, fighting two wars with borrowed money, cutting taxes to the rich and making scapegoat out of anyone who stood in the way as well as trotting out lies and obfuscation. They did not even disagree with Bush on anything.
The Republicans needs to learn that, in a democracy, you have to work with the other side to get something done and make compromises. Considering the fact that many of the groups that supports the Republican party are so far to the right that it is impossible for any moderates gain a foothold. Case in point the Club for Growth has fielded several candidates who won the primaries but lose the general election because you have wide spectrum of voters who disagree with their philosphy and its application- living in the past in regard to Reagan when things have change so drastically they keep clinging to the past.
Now, they keep shooting themselves in the foot: On heathcare: Jindal, Pawlenty and several others keep offering the same form of plans- some which the Democrats have included in the bills. Fixing the economy: offering more of the same tax cuts that has got us in trouble in the first place with more guaranteed deficit but blame Obama for it. They need to take ownership for the problem they created and move forward. (Gloria Borger wrote a piece on the GOP's problem on CNN and it makes good for reading of what's wrong with the Republicans.

Posted by: beeker25 | October 20, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

kevrobb, truer words were never spoken. This is why McDonnell (VA) and Toomey (PA)pose as moderates. They know that once you get past the primary you have to rebrand yourself or you scare off the electorate.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | October 20, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Conservative books are clearing the shelves while liberal ones languish in the remainder section.

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We've already been over this one, zouk.

Conservative with-books are bought as an expression of defiance and anger, and not actually read.

Ditto the viewership of conservative propaganda outlets. The angry defiance of an *ever shrinking minority*.

Sort of like .. a small crinkled ball can have more surface area than a large smooth one.

Look at the percentages. Good luck with your arch forecasts of backlash when you can't elect a bloody dog-catcher.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 20, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me how if President Obama's agenda hasn't been successful, "The Newt" figures the GOP has had a successful year?

Does that mean the GOP only wants failure for the President of the United States, simply for it's own party's success?

Is the GOP's stance simply to cause the failure of all the President's initiatives?

Let's say we turn this around on the Republicans!

This desire for the President's agenda to fail obviously equates to the failure of our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It seems the Republicans will be dancing in the streets of our country if al Qaeda can successfully bring about another attack on Americans on our soil because it was on Obama's watch that all this occurred.

The Republicans will be happy to see more body bags brought through Dover AFB after January 20, 2009 and look forward to even more blood being spilled in the name of the GOP Party.

The Republicans support the Taliban, al Qaeda and all insurgents who attack our troops in foreign countries in the name of the GOP Party.

The Republicans ought to be ashamed of themselves!

But hey! It's all in the name of politics, why should they care?

Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | October 20, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Honest Abe.... 2010 will make 2009 look like the best year in our history... Why, you ask.. Continued high unemployment, continued failures of small businesses, higher taxes as we are truly spending lots of money... No let up in residential foreclosures.. none !! Banks are sitting on as many as 750,000 shadow foreclosed residential properties that they do not want to put out into the marketplace as the added inventory in the market will drive prices down even more. Lets not forget the number of mortgages where the interest rates will reset in a rolling manner over the next THREE years. Then we must confront the number and its large of folks who have the interest ONLY mortgages and the principal will soon kick in....Woe is me... Commercial mortgages which are "balloon mortgages" and are going to start to pick in. Banks don't want anything to do with many, many of these mortgages where the businesses are so poor that rolling the mortgages over is something the banks don't want to do... However, the government will have to feed more money into these banks as you must remember these banks are loaded with bad credit card holders, bad home equity loan holders and the bad commercial and residential mortgages we spoke about above..Two wars.. lets not forget those babies, Gitmo. opps. what happened there, I wonder. Te Russians, the Iranians, the Israelis What GM and Chrysler still can't sell those cars. I will say one thing that's neat.. With all thats going on in the world. Obama is coming to my City tonight for his 22nd presidential fundraiser. I'm sure he will take those Wall Street guys into the shed for a little knuckle rapping, but not too much, as he will be busy giving them the old "WINK and a NOD" as elections are coming up and the dems need their cash.. A good show it will be. Watch what happens, Abe, but good luck with your fairy tail..

Posted by: james_m_reilly1 | October 20, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Cillizza: "[Republicans] need to find ways over the next year or so to make sure the American people know what they would do if they were placed in charge after the 2010 election."

Actually, I'd say their only hope is to make sure the American people DON'T know what they'd do if placed in charge.

Posted by: kevrobb | October 20, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

CC - I see you found your base. and base it is. Loud mouthed, opinionated, ignorant liberals, full to the brim with hate and envy. not much brains in the whole lot though. you do what you have to in order to survive.

but I think your temporary victory will be Phyrric. Like the NYTimes, MSDNC and the rest, you are shrinking into oblivion as the truth about the warped 'facts" you publish emerges. no one beleives the WH anymore. they are watching fox news and getting the truth around the left stream media obstacles. the ratings on fox are soaring, holding all top 15 spots. Conservative books are clearing the shelves while liberal ones languish in the remainder section. the NYTimes is laying people off.

Get the message?????

you can have loud and dumb or you can get with the program and succeed.

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"Czilla should post the demographics of the always outlier Washington Post/ABC poll. This time they polled 13% more democrats than republicans, up 3% from last months poll.'

Maybe they should get away from the east coast and find someone to poll that doesn't work for the government.

Posted by: leapin | October 20, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

ceflynline,

That is hilarious,
did you make that up
all by yourself?

Posted by: shrink2 | October 20, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Czilla should post the demographics of the always outlier Washington Post/ABC poll. This time they polled 13% more democrats than republicans, up 3% from last months poll.

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So let me get this straight.

You think that pollsters should pre-select the composition of their sample?

Uh, wow.

What exactly do you see as the point of taking a poll?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 20, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I went down to the streetcorner and polled some of the hang er outers. they all said that Obama is doing a swell job.

Can I go bowling with the first spaz this weekend now?

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

" Just as the Republicans replaced the Whigs, the Democrats will become the new Republicans and a new party will replace the Democrats. Posted by: Desertstraw "

You don't quite understand the situation. There will often be one or two organized political parties, although the Constitution makes it likely that there will usually be only two majority parties, the Organized party,

and the Democrats.

The Republicans can be replaced, but the Democrats are the true"Independents", for proof just look at their behavior in any particular period since Jackson.

The Organized Political party wins when it speaks TO the people. When it decides that it speaks for the people, the people speak and the democrats win.

When the Organized Political party decides it IS the people, it begins the process of shriveling up and blowing away.

The Democrats go on trying to get organized.

Posted by: ceflynline | October 20, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the Republicans should analyze why the public is more skeptical of them now than in '93-'94 when they took back control of Congress for the first time in 40 years. At that time, a very small percentage of the voters had any memory of them being in control so they seemed like a viable alternative to the Democrats that people were tired of.
Now most voters remember them as a bunch of opportunists who abandoned every principle they used to get elected in the first place. It's hard to rail against out of control deficits when you ignored them for 8 years while giving unnecessary tax breaks. You can't really complain about an overreaching government when you allowed an administration to trash all the constitutional protections of personal liberties and religion. And it's a little hypocritcal to be tough on crime when your business supporters were looting public corporations and swindling investors.
I agree that any celebrations by the Republicans because they see another '94 election shaping up are premature.

Posted by: pgreider | October 20, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"we'd rather be pure than popular"

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 20, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, Republicans Congressmen stood at their microphones denouncing reform of a problem that has been plaguing America. It was their chance to redefine their purpose as more than free-marketeers, more than big business, more than oil drillers in protected lands. They could have created a fully outlined health care package many of the features of which could have been crafted into a true compromise with the Democrats.

No, they simply opposed. Opposed everything, to the extent any observer would think their main supporters were gun toting individualists who are not necessarily opposed to health care reform per se (as it is too complex for them), but opposed to anything government. Paradoxically, their supporters marched to maintain "big government" when opposing Medicare Advantage reform.

Then, observers could also infer Republican supporters are so selfish they'd steal their elderly parent's life savings for the sake of their own lifestyles. For they are not really keen to forming a more perfect Union, for the establishment of Justice, the insurance of domestic Tranquility, for providing for the common defence, nor for the promotion of the general Welfare. No, it's really all about themselves, and their individual freedoms over the common good.

Posted by: 1234xyz | October 20, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

This new poll and the clueless liberals posting here are good signs that it is the Democrats who are over-confident. Their utter rout next year will be all the more gratifying.

Posted by: RossOdom | October 20, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Attention, Dwight Collins: If you're unemployed, you lose your health care coverage. Get it?
Oh, and if honestly think the GOP really has your best interests at heart, please check this out: http://www.republicansforrape.org/legislators/

Posted by: vegasgirl1 | October 20, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks the GOP really gives a damn about the average American needs to read this: http://www.republicansforrape.org/legislators/

Posted by: vegasgirl1 | October 20, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Oh, Oh,

Remember last week when the Republicans voted FOR letting Halliburton/KBR numbskulls gang rape the other employees?

Now THAT is going to make for some GREAT political ads in 2010 and 2012!!!

SWEEEEE-EEEEEET!!!

Posted by: Heerman532 | October 20, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"Overall, 57 percent approve of the way Obama is handling his job as president and 40 percent disapprove."
"Less than one in five voters (19 percent) expressed confidence in Republicans' ability to make the right decisions for America's future while a whopping 79 percent lacked that confidence."

Ouch! Splashing cold water on all those excitable teabaggers.

They'd worked themselves up into a lynch-mob frenzy, thinking they represented a groundswell of "real Americans" ready to vote out/impeach/assassinate Obama.

Sorry guys, you're still just that sad, under-educated rump once known as the Bush base.
And every day you get a little bit older.

Posted by: kevrobb | October 20, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Why did I initially read the headline for this column as,
"Premature Ejaculation for the GOP"?

You just gotta figure they didn't have a firm grip on the subject at hand and got sloppy as they do with everything they touch.(:>

Posted by: nightslider | October 20, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The only ones who can prevent a Republican comeback are the Republicans themselves.

I hope and pray that they internalize that.

Posted by: JamesMeeker | October 20, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

My gosh, liberals are a distubed bunch.

Posted by: DCer1 | October 20, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

It won't be so much that people love Republicans but many like me will vote to bring some balance back to the political landscape. Obama needs opposition to moderate his approach.

Posted by: Bluefish2012 | October 20, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Now South Carolina Republicans are attacking and stereotyping Jews. What is in the darn water in South Carolina? Stay off that "Shine" fellas when speaking publicly.

After his words attracted national attention and drew condemnation from a Jewish state senator, a South Carolina Republican official is now apologizing for co-writing a newspaper op-ed that described Jews as penny-pinchers.

James Ulmer, chairman of the Orangeburg County GOP, said he made a "great error" in the op-ed, which he penned along with Bamberg County GOP chairman Edwin Merwin.

The piece, which ran Sunday in the Orangeburg Times & Democrat, was meant to defend South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint's position against congressional earmarks.

"There is a saying that the Jews who are wealthy got that way not by watching dollars, but instead by taking care of the pennies and the dollars taking care of themselves," the piece read. "By not using earmarks to fund projects for South Carolina and instead using actual bills, DeMint is watching our nation's pennies and trying to preserve our country's wealth and our economy's viability to give all an opportunity to succeed."

State senator Joel Lourie, a Democrat and one of South Carolina's two Jewish lawmakers, issued a statement on Monday rebuking the two Republicans, calling them "individuals who unapologetically espouse racist and stereotypical attitudes."

He also called on DeMint and South Carolina GOP chairwoman Karen Floyd to denounce the comments.

Floyd did so on Tuesday, calling the observation "an offensive and inappropriate comment" while also accusing critics of using the controversy for political gain. Aides to DeMint have not responded to requests for comment.

The Republican Jewish Coalition also blasted the op-ed. RJC Executive Director Matthew Brooks said in a statement that Ulmer and Merwin "have done a tremendous disservice to their party."

Ulmer e-mailed his apology to reporters late Monday. He said he "quoted a statement which I have heard many times in my life, truly in admiration for a method of bettering one's lot in life."

"I meant absolutely nothing derogatory by the reference to a great and honorable people," he said in the e-mail. "I hope that anyone and all who were offended by my comment will accept my humble apology."

"At this time I wish to deeply apologize for any material included in that letter that would be considered antisemitic [sic] in any way," he wrote in an e-mail to reporters and other Republican officials.

"I have always abhored [sic] in the past, and shall continue to do so in the future, anti-semitism [sic] in any form whatsoever. I concur fully with the apology offered by my co-author, Jim Ulmer, and likewise beg that any and all who were offended will accept my deep felt apology." The GOP is celebrating what again?

Posted by: rmattocks | October 20, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, it looks like a generation or more before the DP will even begin to think about acting like grownups again. Expect more Clinton/Edwards/Dodd/Frank scandals and expect more circling of wagons, and expect years of more-tolerant-than-thou ideological BS.

Posted by: leapin | October 20, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"I really think they'll get wiped in 2010."

Or the Republicans will have to have a way to mobilize an awful lot of turned off moderate voters. The militant Right is never going to make a significant impact at the polls, it is just not what they do.

My belief is that the schism is a product of the information age.

For decades the old cons and the neo-cons could con the white people in certain demographics into believing their corporate masters only needed to get more rich. This would create the tide that would float everybody's boat. Well, the tide only came in for rich Republicans, not the voters.

That was always true, but now it is ever more obvious, everyone can see the Republican candidates only wear populist ("...you know how to spend your hard earned money better than some government worker, blah, blah...") masks to gain votes.

The hook? The Democrats do the exact same thing.


Posted by: shrink2 | October 20, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives are not stupid.

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You'd have to draw some really solid lines around a lot of people who call themselves conservatives to make a case with THIS point, dude.

In fact since the stellar core collapse into conservative nuclear density and the expulsion of the planetary nebula of moderates, "stupid" and "conservative" have become all but synonymous.

In fact the behavior by prominent conservatives, elected and otherwise, suggests something at the opposite end of the continuum from "survival-positive."

Anyway, it looks like a generation or more before the GOP will even begin to think about acting like grownups again. Expect more Sanford/Ensign/Vitter/Craig/etc. scandals and expect more circling of wagons, and expect years of more-intolerant-than-thou ideological BS.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 20, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Czilla should post the demographics of the always outlier Washington Post/ABC poll. This time they polled 13% more democrats than republicans, up 3% from last months poll.

As the Washington Post continues to strive to get it's weekly pat on the head from the Obama Administration it promises to continue to adjust all polls until it gets the outcome the White House wants.

Posted by: robtr | October 20, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Independent4tw "Ask a conservative these questions: [Asks questions about health care] ... I doubt that conservatives will even respond to debate challenge."

Conservatives are faith-based. No need for "facts." If numbers collide, throw them out and revert to gut feelings. Slogans, like prayer, take place over critical thought.

As for cost, whatever costs the individual and does yield returns to the same individual is a waste. Bank bailouts are good, because the CEO pays nothing and gains everything. CEOs, being meritorious creators of wealth, and anti-tax, deserve conservatives' entire sympathy. The costs of war are another matter, at least so long as China buys our bonds. Were there a war tax, rationing, or a universal military draft, conservatives would quickly turn pacifist.

Posted by: jkoch2 | October 20, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are scum. Why would anyone vote for one or want to be one? You might as well have a steaming pile of sheeeet for dinner.

Posted by: GeorgHerbet | October 20, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

The public is fed up with both parties. The Republicans are the party of no and kid themselves that the public will turn to them out of frustration. The Democrats are seen as in the pocket of the special interests, health insurance industry, Wall Street, drug companies, oil companies, etc. Either the Democrats will clean up or a new party will form. Just as the Republicans replaced the Whigs, the Democrats will become the new Republicans and a new party will replace the Democrats. It may take more than two years but nothing being done in Washington is solving our country's problems.

Posted by: Desertstraw | October 20, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Funny how every NeoCom Statist poster surmises the death of the Republican Party or conservatism but is totally angry when they only control 99% of the media and can’t stand it when their totalitarian obsession can’t control 100%. Conservatism is supposedly dead but the in their fantasy world, featuring fantasy economics, the state dependents are obsessed with the likes of Rush Limbaugh and need to demonize anyone who questions the failing messiah. People of little faith who put their whole faith in the state.

Posted by: leapin | October 20, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Did you ever notice that whenever the Dems are in trouble the WP starts trotting out zany polls that always favor the Dems and are always unfavorable for the GOP. If Jesus were heading up the GOP their poll numbers would be bad in the WP. Moreover the poll results will be used to provide some twisted and convoluted comfort for the Dems and their wacky left, core constituency.
. . .

Bingo. spot on. Libs running for their lives, WaPo finds victory. the Va and NJ governor and all the little local races have tilted heavily Repub, the Libs in congress can't pass a single law, the WaPo does its "analysis" and presto - Libs rule.

I guess if your overall goal is surrender, which it is, you are winning handily.

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

BUT I am going to do my utmost to get all of the entrenched Republicans who have been in Washington too long and lost touch with "We, The People" replaced with a new breed of conservatives and republicans who are willing to make the cuts to the US Budget and take the hard knocks doing it so that we can get our deficits in line and our country back on track.

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Well I don't think cutting budgets and cutting taxes and all that Reagan-era cal has a lot to recommend it. Republicans went as far as they could with the drown it in the bathtub thing and then came Katrina and in the absence of government a city drowned instead.

Leaving aside the specific policy prescription, were you to say instead that you were hoping for a saner GOP, less ideological, more centered on doing the country's business instead of permanent mode of shallow campaign ..

.. you still wouldn't have my support because I want to drown the GOP in the bathtub ... but you'd have my sympathy.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 20, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Here are a few survival hints for the GOP:

Next time a Foley, or a Craig, or an Ensign, or a Vitter is exposed - act like you have a pair and ostracize them. Close ranks and make it clear that you are not democrats wrapped in the thin veneer of the GOP.

IF, and its a big if, you regain control, rein in spending and start acting like responsible adults and not drunken sailors.

If these two simple steps are not followed, they are in for a long cold drought of power.

Conservatives are not stupid. If you people cannot act responsible and in the Reagan mold of conservatism - who needs you? Obama we got. What do we need some slimy posturing wanna be republicans for?

Gingrich getting behind this horrid little woman in New York should be a clarion call for all conservatives.

The status quo has to go.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | October 20, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

It's NOT a perception problem; the Republicans have been a cancer on America.

10% unemployment
$4 gas
$700 BILLION TARP
Iraq
Torture
Blackwater (Xe)
Wiretapping
Ensign, Vitter, Sanford, Foley, Ney, Fossello, Craig, and the rest.

They are not Christian.
They are not Conservative.
They are not Compassionate.

Posted by: vigor | October 20, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Why did I initially read the headline for this column as,
"Premature Ejaculation for the GOP"?

Posted by: sasquatchbigfoot | October 20, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"Ask their wives, girlfriends, and assorted mistresses. Posted by: Samson151"

The term he followed premature with was CELEBRATION."

Posted by: ceflynline | October 20, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"There is an interesting book here, it should start with the NY 23 and the Florida debacle you mention and then wend its way back to where the schism began. "

I posted that, shrink. I wonder if anyone is writing this yet? Not too many pundits have it on their radars yet. If they were paying attention, they would see that there's waaay too much crazy sh*t out there like this:

"People are beginning to realize that this administration is pushing a fascist agenda. From government-run everything to controlling all of the information channels"

When your base is completely nuts, they are likely to vote for a similarly nuts 3rd party nut who can't get elected in a general. I really think they'll get wiped in 2010.

Posted by: drindl | October 20, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

People are beginning to realize that this administration is pushing a fascist agenda. From government-run everything to controlling all of the information channels....mapping Democrat to fascism will hurt them for years to come.

Posted by: nosam32 | October 20, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

The only reason Republican politicians even have a microphone to spit into is a phenomenon called "MEDIA CONTROL".

Without MEDIA CONTROL, there would be no war, no fight over healthcare reform, no bailouts for the most well-off Americans, no disrespectful bonuses, no Republican presidential candidates.

There would also be no recession. Unemployment would be below 2%.

Posted by: jewishmother | October 20, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I think most people understand that the Republic Party stands for massive budget borrowing to give trillions to the rich people. It stands for war, killing and violence as solutions to problems, instead of working them out peacefully and maturely. It stands for fleecing the middle class and government to benefit the party's rich elite. It's against public education, volunteerism and decent wages. It sees the middle class as something to loot and them blames the middle class after the plundering is done.

The Republic Party will never regain power. Ever.

Posted by: mongolovesheriff | October 20, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

The only reason Republican politicians even have a microphone to spit into is a phenomenon called "MEDIA CONTROL".

Without MEDIA CONTROL, there would be no war, no fight over healthcare reform, no bailouts for the most well-off Americans, no disrespectful bonuses, no Republican presidential candidates.

Posted by: jewishmother | October 20, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama's honeymoon ended... and he's back to having his electoral coalition, more or less. (He's been hovering between +7 and +10 in Gallup, and my crosstab analysis suggests that Gallup's sample is a bit light on minorities and youth, to the tune of an additional 1-3% support). We're slowly withdrawing from Iraq. Health care probably gets done before Christmas. The economy is starting to rebound. A climate change bill probably happens next year.

Congress gets bad ratings, but Republican congresscritters have horrible ratings while those of the Democrats are merely mediocre.

If Republicans can back away from the nutty anger of their base, put together coherent business-friendly proposals on things like climate change, and perhaps shift a bit towards being the party of personal liberty and balanced budgets, they'll win my vote. So far they show little sign of doing any of that.

Posted by: Nissl | October 20, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

merrylees, yes, but why?
Republicans are raising tons of money.
Obama has made lots of mistakes.
Yet Republicans are tearing themselves apart.

There is an interesting book here, it should start with the NY 23 and the Florida debacle you mention and then wend its way back to where the schism began. McCain choosing Palin.

There at the back of the Palin rallies the carefully hidden, bigoted, militant populism coalesced, they found each other and they liked what they saw.

Now it has blown up in the faces of the Republican corporate flaks, like the Club for Growth and the RNC.

When a South Carolina Town Hall crowd applauds wildly when someone accuses their own Lindsey Graham of "sleeping with" John Kerry, you know the Party has lost control of its message. The tail is wagging the dog.

I wonder whether the money people at the GOP think they can get their "base" under control?

Posted by: shrink2 | October 20, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, they owe the American people an apology.

Posted by: SarahBB | October 20, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Of course the Repubs will be back -- but not until they purge the crazies from the front of their pack. It's that simple.

Posted by: ChuckFi | October 20, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Everyone knows the Republicans in their drunken stupor drove the bus into the ditch and now that the public has taken away their keys, all they can do is complain about the way those trying to get us unstuck are going about it. STFU would be a start on their road to recovery. Rolling up their sleeves and pushing in unison, might be another.

Posted by: SarahBB | October 20, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

People have finally started to realize that the Republican's agenda basically amounts to a hatred of American values.

Posted by: dougenglish | October 20, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

C'mon, don't you know the GOP jumps the gun on everything? Declare George W. Bush President, invade and proclaim victory in Iraq, insist the bureaucrat did a 'great job' on Katrina....

Ask their wives, girlfriends, and assorted mistresses.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 20, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Of course the Repubs will be back, but not until they purge the crazies from the front of their pack. It's that simple.

Posted by: ChuckFi | October 20, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans do have a identity problem. Too much of the party is seen as the Michele Bachmann or Jim Demint shoot from the lip brand of reactionary conservative. This group is given to going out on a bizarre limb with wack-a-do statements then cutting the limb off to fall to the ground. Then you have the hypocrite class like Sanford and Ensign that talk family values for everyone else and practice something very different in their own lives. Now in Florida you have the conservatives attacking Crist so at the very least he will be weakened in the general (if he gets that far). The Dems can just stand by and watch the Repubs further marginalize themselves.

Posted by: merrylees | October 20, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

why would Jesus head the GOP - it would have to be a hoax

Posted by: aypub | October 20, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama offered the Republicans a seat at the table.
They preferred to be the party of no.
That is slowing down the obama agenda, but it's not helping the Republican brand.
Teabaggers of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your elected officers.

Posted by: F_L_Palmer | October 20, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Really branfo. Oh year, it's been a great year for Republicans. Also for the stock market.

Posted by: drindl | October 20, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"That's not to say that 2009 hasn't been a good year for Republicans. By and large, it has been."

Words fail.

Posted by: branfo4 | October 20, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

The only people that will be surprised by
this story are Fox watchers, birthers,
tenthers and junior college dropouts.

The GOP is in serious trouble. It will
most likely split apart. The positive for
true conservatives is that a new
party formation may pull some
right leaning conservatives who are
put off by the birthers, tenthers,
Glenn Beck watchers.

But that new party will be a long
time in forming.

Posted by: printthis | October 20, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"A premature celebration for the GOP"

Some of us missed the "celebration".

Posted by: NoWeCant | October 20, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

. . .

Did you ever notice that whenever the Dems are in trouble the WP starts trotting out zany polls that always favor the Dems and are always unfavorable for the GOP. If Jesus were heading up the GOP their poll numbers would be bad in the WP. Moreover the poll results will be used to provide some twisted and convoluted comfort for the Dems and their wacky left, core constituency.
. . .

Posted by: JoeDBrown | October 20, 2009 11:43 AM |

Of course, if Jesus were heading up the GOP, the GOP would be in favor of helping the poor, taking care of the sick, and other "socialist" policies.

Oh, and they would also be in favor of the seperation of Church and State: "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, render unto God that which is God's"


Posted by: sourpuss | October 20, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse


To those who think that the counterbalance to the democratic mistakes; are the republicans; have not thought clearly on how the direction of the country and the world is shifting its views. The paradigms of the past are falling rapidly and absent fear or military dictatorships people are leaning more toward the type of political expressions that are ‘inclusive as opposed to exclusive. Our nation is younger and more diversified ‘leaning towards a generally more liberal view on many key issues. Chief among these are the ideas related to climate change and the jobs possibly associated to it and ‘healthcare’; with it’s underlying concept that it should be universally applied or at least consist of a public option. The republicans have not forged a new front on any key issue; thus they are doomed to extinction unless they hurriedly do something other than ‘shout that the world is changing too fast. It is only changing too fast to those who refuse to adapt.

Posted by: aypub | October 20, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

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The GOP is a joke. Nothing more than OLD WHITE RACIST.
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Posted by: A-Voter | October 20, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The republican party is a never-ending virtual-reality zombie chronicle of stupidity and lies, more realistic but less entertaining than any Hollywood zombie production.

Posted by: tontosage | October 20, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"The real story? That so-called "GOP-leaning independents" are moving toward the Democratic Party. Realignment, anyone? This is as significant as the revolt of the Reagan Democrats in the 1980s (they did not back to the Democratic Party for a generation). Posted by: Timmy1965 "

The realignment of the "Reagan Democrats" has been concisely chronicled in the obituary sections of America's newspapers. The Reagan Democrats were the Democrats that followed Nixon after their party passed, with Progressive republican help, the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act. Now they grow old and pass on, but the animus that moved them to the Republican party wasn't something they could pass on to their progeny. As the memory of the 60's and the rememberers fade, the leverage Jim Crow could use on the intransigent decreases. Now that the last generation to have direct memory of those days is into its declining memory stage, new cares and new needs will drive the platforms of successful parties.

The GOP still seeks to restore its 60's ideological purity. And. like alzheimers patients in deep dementia, eventually they will again reach that special political nirvana.

They never learn and they only think they never forget.

Posted by: ceflynline | October 20, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

What is it with these people. The republican party increased the size of Government,the size of the deficit,the very things they blame/accuse the Dems of doing and nothing is said. When you spend haphazrdly and run 2 wars off the books, then how do you expect to lower the deficit without raising taxes? We had 8 years of profiterring from the repub party and they left it up to the Dem Party to fix it all the while acting like it's the Dem's fault. You may dilike the current Prez but can you imagime if McCain/Palin would have won? We'd have 25% unemployment and we'd all be Georgians.

Note to repubs:If you're going to start unnecessary wars for profiterring at least put it on the books instead of leaving it for the other Party to rectify.

Posted by: jime2000 | October 20, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

@Independent4tw

I'm far from being a conservative here--I'm a liberal to moderate Democrats (never voted anything other than Democrat) However, you make a lot of hasty generalizations here.

(1-2) I've know more than one conservative who will acknowledge this: we spend more money. The disagreement with the wiser heads isn't about if we have a problem it's what to do with it.

(3) Look I don't agree with the "free-market approach" either, but I think you're unfairly generalizing here.

(4) Tort Reform is a popular answer, but not everyone agrees. Additionally if it comes up just point to the data that shows it doesn't cut healthcare costs by a whole lot.

(5) The main criticism by conservatives is that the public option would evolve into another entitlement: i.e. when someone didn't get something covered they would complain to their Congressperson who would change this, and soon enough you have an unwieldy program that is costly and ultimately unsustainable.

I disagree with the free-market approach, at least without a fair amount of regulation. However, the conservatives are not completely wrong on the issue of costs.

Posted by: UnPatriotic | October 20, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Scozzafava aide Matt Burns emails that calling her a "liberal Republican" is "bogus" and writes:
From Matt Burns, Scozzafava's aide, about the harassment of his boss by a Weekly Standard reporter:

"Agree or not with Dede Scozzafava's positions, she should still be afforded a basic level of respect. Asking tough questions is one thing, but acting like John McCormack did tonight shows a complete lack of decency. This self-described reporter repeatedly screamed questions while our candidate was doing what she is supposed to be doing: speaking with voters (remember, those who will decide this election?). And then this "reporter" followed the candidate to her car, continuing to carry on in a manner that would make the National Enquirer blush."

The far right is experiencing a breakdown in their ability to function among normal people. They can't maanage much but incoherent shouting anymore.

Posted by: drindl | October 20, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

@Independent4tw

I'm far from being a conservative here--I'm a liberal to moderate Democrats (never voted anything other than Democrat) However, you make a lot of hasty generalizations here.

(1-2) I've know more than one conservative who will acknowledge this: we spend more money. The disagreement with the wiser heads isn't about if we have a problem it's what to do with it.

(3) Look I don't agree with the "free-market approach" either, but I think you're unfairly generalizing here.

(4) Tort Reform is a popular answer, but not everyone agrees. Additionally if it comes up just point to the data that shows it doesn't cut healthcare costs by a whole lot.

(5) The main criticism by conservatives is that the public option would evolve into another entitlement: i.e. when someone didn't get something covered they would complain to their Congressperson who would change this, and soon enough you have an unwieldy program that is costly and ultimately unsustainable.

I disagree with the free-market approach, at least without a fair amount of regulation. However, the conservatives are completely wrong on the issue of costs.

Posted by: UnPatriotic | October 20, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Premature things in GOP-land:

1) Celebrating the Fall of our Commander-in-Chief (see above).
2) Declaring a Successful Invasion (see Mission Accomplished).
3) The first-born child of any abstinence-only politician (see Palin, Track).

Posted by: mikenmidland | October 20, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Grammar, my friend, grammar.
How is one able to assess the content of your rendering, when one is immediately assaulted by the misuse of grammar. To wit: It is not ",,,less than one in five...", rather, it should have read, fewer.

And, it goes on.

When I come across egregious grammatical errors in US newspapers, I stop reading for content. It, then, becomes an issue of forbearance...of reading the article as if it were produced by some poorly prepared undergraduate in need of basic instruction while trying to write basic sentences in Freshman Comp. I resent the fact that I can no longer relax while reading an article in a newspaper-- UK and other English-language newspaper included-- and, instead, feel forced to take out the red pen. By that point, I've lost all interest in the article's subject matter.
ImperfectMessenger

Posted by: perez59 | October 20, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

A “Washington Post” Poll.. meaningless .. statistically inaccurate .. let's see the questions asked wapo!

Posted by: genbarlow
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In other words, a poll with conclusions you don't like. Where's your evidence that the poll is "statistically inaccurate"?

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | October 20, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

For someone that once voted Republican I have to say I will never vote for them again if they were the only party running. They have destroyed the working class in this country. I was naive when I did because I listened to their huff, but the more I seen my life style diminish the more I realized it was their policies that were at the root. Then all their scandals started showing up from Newt Gingrich era on and that was the final closing. NO THANK YOU GOP. You have a long way to go to gain back any trust of the American people. You don't deserve it.

Posted by: billr40229 | October 20, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

A “Washington Post” Poll.. meaningless .. statistically inaccurate .. let's see the questions asked wapo!

Posted by: genbarlow | October 20, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Ask a conservative these questions:

1. Do you believe the fact that America spends more tax dollars on health care then any other country in the world?

(If they say no here, ask them for some proof. You can find hundreds of articles to prove that America does spend more money then any other country. If they do not agree, and they can not provide proof why, ignore them because they are not educated enough to debate with.)

2. Do you believe the fact that the amount of tax dollars that America spend son health care is going to exponentially increase over the next ten years if we do nothing to stop it?

(Same as #1. If they disagree, ask them for any proof why they would disagree. This is another question that is intended to gauge the intelligence of the conservative.)

3. What would you do to stop the dramatic increase in cost of health care?

(This is the real question. Most conservatives will stop here, and start insulting you instead because they do not have a plan. It does not take any intelligence to say that something will not work, but it takes a lot of intelligence to come up with an actual plan.)

4. If you answer is tort reform, how to you propose to change tort so that it will not allow doctors to get away with mistakes, not overrule the decisions that judges make, and not limit people from suing for valid reasons?

(This question is great because most conservatives love to say that tort reform is the cure all for saving money. The truth is that most of these conservatives have no idea what tort reform means. When you ask them to describe what they mean, they will deflect and insult you instead. This is a great gauge to see who is just answer questions in the most partisan way they can think of.)

5. Are you for or against the public option and why?

(I just want to know your reasons. There is no catch. I see the public option as a great free market tool to lower costs and increase efficiency. This is capitalism at its root.)

I doubt that conservatives will even respond to debate challenge. Most of them are content just calling me a Marxist, or whatever the current insult is. It is a shame, because all I have to do is keep asking the questions, if they keep dodging them then we all know who wins the debate.

Posted by: Independent4tw | October 20, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

EnemyOfTheState wrote:

To date I really haven't heard any Republican of national stature state clearly what they or their party are for, beyond the stale platitudes of 'small government' (no one has ever explained why that's a virtue - it's just repeated like a religious mantra), low taxes (for the wealthy) and a strong defense (as long as someone else's kids fight the wars).

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(1) For all the cries of "small government" or "keep the government out" the GOP has not done a very good job of articulating what government should do.

It isn't unreasonable to differ on the scope of government; however, when for all we know it's "no government" it seems a bit strange to be running for office. Take Reagan, for instance. It seems a bit strange that Reagan ran the highest governmental office (President) on the platform that government was the problem.

(2) High levels of defense spending could have a rationale during the Cold War, although even President Kennedy knew there was actually no "missile gap." In other words, the U.S. was far ahead of the Soviet Union but high levels could be justified on the rationale that we need to stay ahead.

However, given that the Soviet Union collapsed almost 20 years ago (1991), high levels of defense spending don't compute given that Cold War is well over. There are real threats we face, but they require relatively small forces, and in many cases the solution is at least in part political--military force may turn people against you, while building trust won't.

There is no reason to spend the levels we do on defense. They GOP has yet to offer a rationale for spending the levels we do, other than "being tough on defense."

Posted by: UnPatriotic | October 20, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

That NY Times article on Christie is an absolute killer. If Corzine makes an ad out of this new scandal, Christie may very well be done for.

Posted by: sverigegrabb | October 20, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Here's another bit of the Big Split that is coming -- in NY 23, Republcian Dede Scozzafava had to call the police because a Weekly Standard reporter was harrassing her, following her to her car and refusing to leave her alone. She was a shoo-in, but she's not ideologically pure enough, so the wingers want to take her down.

Consequently, this election will go to the Dem.

Posted by: drindl | October 20, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

How exactly have the Republicans made themselves relevant? Seriously!? They have been in fact incredibly IRRELEVANT to the entire health care debate, silently complicit with some of the wingnuttiest elements of the American right-wing in their party. They've allowed the "spokespersons" of their party to devolve into the likes of Michelle Bachmann, Joe Wilson, and the ever-present yet oft-ignored Newt.

Sorry, their "relevance" is vastly overrated in your estimation, methinks. Electorally, the reduced numbers for Democrats are occurring because members of the progressive coalition for Obama and the Democrats of late, are partially disappointed, thus far, in the progress being made. That said, with health care reform including a public option looking more and more likely to happen, it seems that the support for Congressional Democrats is on the rise again.

Where to you invent these ideas, Chris? You guys are forever trying to invoke a competitive political atmosphere in Washington, and it just doesn't exist.

Now at the individual state levels, there is some competition....but even in VA, which is formerly a GOP bastion, the Democrats are holding their own in a tough year for them---and Deeds may even still pull this one off.....

The facts, IMHO, just don't support your narratives, as usual.

Posted by: DouginMountVernon | October 20, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"They need an enemy,"

The Democratic base is disenchanted with the Obama Presidency - even Saturday Night Live has decided Obama's stature has been sufficiently diminished that they can do a skit about how he hasn't accomplished any of the major goals he ran on.

The war in Afghanistan is a huge problem with the Liberal base, and Obama's apparent inability (and/or unwillingness) to hold Congressional Democrats' feet to the political fire over a public option in the health care debate is further causing head-scratching among that group.

Add to that, he hasn't paid off on "card-check" which he promised unions, and has limited his support for gay rights to speeches and dinners, and you can see why his polling numbers have settled in at just above 50 percent mark.

So, the Administration has decided to start a fight to re-energize the base. It doesn't do any good to fight with someone who is not worthy, if you want to make this strategy work you have to have the fight with someone your base already knows - and already hates.

Fox News Channel fits that bill.

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

repubs have tried to 'shout, bully, scare, and lie their way into leadership, in other words they continue to undermine the basic principal that people can 'think for themselves'

Posted by: aypub | October 20, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Liz Cheney?

Stop... my ribs are killing me!

Posted by: jfern03 | October 20, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

To date I really haven't heard any Republican of national stature state clearly what they or their party are for, beyond the stale platitudes of 'small government' (no one has ever explained why that's a virtue - it's just repeated like a religious mantra), low taxes (for the wealthy) and a strong defense (as long as someone else's kids fight the wars).

Not surprisingly, they're united in their distaste for Obama, just as Dems were united in their dislike of Bush. By the way, as a progressive, I'm not that happy with Obama either, at the moment.

But you need more than nutjobs with signs, hate radio and catchy slogans to win back votes. Americans may suffer from a collective attention deficit disorder, but we're not completely stupid: We do remember what party was in power during the financial meltdown, the two wars-without-end, the warrantless wiretaps, torture and rendition, Gitmo, etc. Is it any surprise, then, that the voters just aren't into you?

The GOP's only saving grace is the continued bumbling of the Democrats. The wonder of our system is that we have parties, generally equal in their ability to be stupid.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | October 20, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Other than "We're not President Obama." what does the GOP have? If they continue to alienate young people and ethnic groups, the GOP will soon enough find itself well on their way to extinction. If history is any guide a new party would arise from what's left of the dead GOP, but still.

Posted by: UnPatriotic | October 20, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Maybe republicans should start caring about the issues and work with President Obama instead of trying to score political points and being against EVERYTHING our President is trying to do for America. Americans(except for the 20%ters) know what kind of stink mess was left as his doorstep. Republicans refuse to grow up. Until they do, they will never gain trust again from voters.

Posted by: kubrickstan | October 20, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I take little comfort in thinking that the party of Nancy Pelosi may hold its own against the party of Sarah Palin. Can there be no political representation for normal people?

Posted by: RadicalGlove | October 20, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Maybe republicans should start caring about the issues and work with President Obama instead of trying to score political points and being against EVERYTHING our President is trying to do for America. Americans(except for the 20%ters) know what kind of stink mess was left as his doorstep. Republicans refuse to grow up. Until they do, they will never gain trust again from voters.

Posted by: kubrickstan | October 20, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

the left knows what a fight it was to get past HRC (probably and unfair fight) and that it took all of the horses and men to get this done in the general election (against weak opponents).. you can analyze this to no end.. the real point is that the Anti-Obama forces will be out in force from henceforth.. the cake walk was last year.. it's a firefight and scorched earth in the future..

Posted by: newbeeboy | October 20, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

The most blinding, bright spot for the Republicans is that liberal Democrats are now in charge.

The feckless, incompetent, San Fransisco/Chicago, "community organizers" are screwing America so completely this time that Republicans are starting to look like saints.

Republicans sure aren't saints but the longer the Marx loving Democrats are in power, the better Republicans are looking.

Posted by: battleground51 | October 20, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully the White Supremacist republican party will continue to shrink. The 8 years under the idiot mad king George destroyed us with the help of the right-wing idiots running that party. Good Riddance!

Posted by: joecoppo | October 20, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Did Roy Cohn...I mean Rahm Emmanuel approve this article?

Did you ever notice that whenever the Dems are in trouble the WP starts trotting out zany polls that always favor the Dems and are always unfavorable for the GOP. If Jesus were heading up the GOP their poll numbers would be bad in the WP. Moreover the poll results will be used to provide some twisted and convoluted comfort for the Dems and their wacky left, core constituency.

The Dems, led by the empty Italian suit in the white house have rejected the reality of America and substituted their own corrupt, progressive (that's fascist for the non-believers)reality. The American people, much to my amazement, appear to be increasingly aware of the debased lunacy that is Obama and his socialist, Chicago thugs. We are not buying your drivel. You did what you were told now go beg Rahm for the bail out to save "Journalism" you were promised.

Change you can believe in because you know it aint gonna happen!

Posted by: JoeDBrown | October 20, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Yes, conservatives are so bereft of ideas and substance the big bad Liz Cheney is afraid of Rachel Maddow:

"{Liz Cheney’s newly-launched neoconservative front group Keep America Safe (which The Wonk Room’s Matt Duss renames “The Foreign Policy Keep America Project For A Safe New American Century Initiative”) released a web ad last week attacking a variety of MSNBC hosts for being “afraid” to “talk substance.” “Why don’t they want to debate the issues?” a chyron reads. Another one asks, “What are they so afraid of?”

Last night, Rachel Maddow responded by noting that Liz Cheney appears to be the one who is “afraid” of a debate:

MADDOW: Our booking producers have been calling Liz Cheney and asking her to come on this show and discuss her ideas, debate the issues for months. We have called her many, many, many times – including twice on Friday. So far, she has declined every single invitation that we have extended.

And I understand – a lot of people say no to being on this show. But not a lot of them do so while claiming that MSNBC is afraid to debate them. Be not afraid, Ms. Cheney. I promise I will not bite."

Posted by: drindl | October 20, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

The Democrats can't stand to be in power.. they will fragment and self destruct.. this is one termer.. in the making.

Posted by: newbeeboy | October 20, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Without trying to make the point that the Democrats have their own image problems, the fact is that the GOP doesn't have anything to run on. They can't point to accomplishments A, B, and C to win votes, simply because they've done exactly nothing. So what's a party to do?

Posted by: ravensfan20008 | October 20, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

The American Right Wing has proven itself to be absolute Masters at media manipulation. I mean, they are just far, far better at it than the Left Wing. Dare I say "geniuses."

Too many of us on the Left are left raging at what we see as the transparency of the Right's tactics, and we (stupidly and ignorantly) wind up accusing most of our fellow Americans of being "stupid" and "ignorant."

The poll numbers that Chris presents here, today, suggest that most Americans are not as blind as they are accused of being.

Posted by: dognabbit | October 20, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

OK, so maybe you long for some actual facts. you know, unadulturated versions of the world that can't be challenged. I can provide. you don't like polls, of course not. the only true measure is the one poll taken on election day. Let's examine the special elections since the tragedy that befell us in november:

But off the national media radar, there are plenty of other smaller elections -- special elections for state legislative seats -- which already show serious political problems for the Democrats.


State/District
GOP Vote 11/08
GOP Vote 2009 Special Election
Change

Maine House (89)
33%
66%
GOP +33%

New Hampshire Senate (3)
50%
68%
GOP +18%

South. Carolina House (30)
45%
54%
GOP +9%

New Hampshire House (4)
49%
62%
GOP +13%

Pennsylvania House (124)
68%
70%
GOP + 2%

Alabama Senate (7)
34%
67%
GOP +33%

Delaware Senate (19)
0%
63%
GOP +63%

Florida Senate (28)
62%
77%
GOP +15%

Tennessee House (62)
45%
67%
GOP +22%

Oklahoma House (65)
0%
56%
GOP +56%


Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I don't pay any attention to contributors to the Olbermann's highly partisan (low rated) TV show. You have ZERO credibility...and neither does your newspaper. Cheers

Posted by: MPNangle

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Unless my web browser is defective I can't find a single reference to Keith Olberman in this column. This is an opinion piece but where is the substance in your rant that the essential facts of the discussed poll are biased?

Nobody has said it better then Stephen Colbert: "Reality has a liberal bias"

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 20, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

The only republican hope for a comeback is betting that americans are too stupid to remember who bought the country to it's knees.

Very much the opposite of the clothing store ad that stated: "an educated consumer is our best customer", with republicans, it's "an educated voter is our worst nightmare". Ignorance continues to be the lifeblood of the GOP.

This is why the GOP resides in the gutter
these days. They can't debate the issues, so they muddy the waters with fear tactics and outright lies and racism, appealing only to the ignorants that kept them afloat for 8 years plus.

You guys ain't in Kansas anymore.

Posted by: jfern03 | October 20, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

@1EgoNemo - There's no such thing as a generic ballot during elections. It's a polling tool used in the run-up. You may not pay attention to it, but rest assured, politicians do.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 20, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

The only reason Republicans seem relevant to the Press is because of Faux News and Rush Limbaugh. Without them constantly making news, the feckless Republican leadership on the Hill and the frightening "mavericks" in the field would be seen as wandering aimlessly in the political wilderness.

Having your own network, like Notre Dame football, keeps you in the public eye, but it doesn't mean you are any better on the field.

Posted by: AxelDC

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This might be the best post of the season (football season that is)

well done :)

Posted by: theobserver4 | October 20, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

As 1 month is a lifetime in politics, it's too early to tell about 2010. We can definately say Republicans won 2009, but the problem for Republicans is there were no congressional or Presidential elections in 2009. The big spending will go on next year, when congressional elections will be in full swing. I do think this year Republicans will sweep the Virginia statewide elections, including winning the Governor's mansion with conservative Bob McDonnell. However, I'm not so sure who will win in New Jersey. I think it really depends on the votes Daggett drags in.

In Florida, Marco Rubio continues to get alot of Conservative support while Crist has to rely on his millions of dollars, statewide name recognition, high statewide popularity ratings & endorsement of the NRSC, as they know he will win a GE easily. Crist is in great shape right now. Rubio will really have to hammer him and make his arguments stick to even be real competitive.

Americans for Stable Quality Healthcare spending $12 million on behalf of Obama's healthcare plan is big for him. Conservative group spending will likely cancel that out, however. The key is who has the better & more fixating commercials, that will tell the winning story.

I think in Pa., with Specter's backing of Gov. Rendell, President Obama & the NDSC with his millions of dollars in the bank and high polling numbers. Sestek's endorsement of Lamont, without his money, will likely not mean a whole lot. Specter is the overwhelming favorite.

Erskine Bowles has said alot of good things about Richard Burr. They even did a commercial together, I think in 2007, advertising for North Carolina education. They sat there on the screen side by side, praising each other & NC education. That was an ad in itself for Burr in 2010. Not to mention the fact that Burr has no major Democratic opponent. Burr is looking more & more certain for reelection.

Posted by: reason5 | October 20, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

The GOP the real definition of a pre-mature ejaculation

Posted by: lildg54 | October 20, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

There's no such thing as an "independent voter"!!!! Political scientists like Candice Nelson up at American University have shown that for more than 20 years now. Why does the press keep fixating on this tired old has-been of a myth???? When you ask so-called "independent" voters about their feelings on policy issues or how they lean ideologically, you find that nearly all of them break Republican or Democratic. And when you look at their ACTUAL voting behavior (not just what they say) they act like hard-core Republicans or Democrats.

To continue to break out independents as if they were a real voting bloc is sloppy reporting.

The real story? That so-called "GOP-leaning independents" are moving toward the Democratic Party. Realignment, anyone? This is as significant as the revolt of the Reagan Democrats in the 1980s (they did not back to the Democratic Party for a generation).

Posted by: Timmy1965 | October 20, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

What I find most amusing are all these angry predictions from the tea baggers here and across the internet about the mighty storm that they will unleash in 2010 and 2012. How did they fix that crystal ball that wasn't working too well in 2008? The one that said that the "moving averages" in the polls were showing a come from behind win. And how'd that "Bradley effect" work out?

Posted by: CynthiaD1 | October 20, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Open letter to the GOP:

Kick your version of the Taliban out of your party if you ever expect to hold the reigns of power again. So long as the party sits mum on the sideline while clownshoes like Palin and Huckabee run wild you won't be getting support for your national candidates from me.

Local candidates are always about the small issues for me, but once they attempt to get to even a state level support could evaporate.

Posted by: theobserver4 | October 20, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"state-run media"

"cooking the polls"

Makes you wonder why fringe rightwingnuts like allenridge bother with this site. Since he thinks it's all lies, why is he here and posting incessantly? (In addition to the Fix, allenridge posts on story-specific message boards regularly.)

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 20, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Just wait till Nov 2010 when the economy will be looking better and jobs situation will also improve in spite of do-nothing failmongering Republicans. The voters will remember their mindless negativity and irrational opposition.

Posted by: Honest_Abe | October 20, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Note to WaPo: when conducting a poll, its a good idea to call people who live outside of DC

Posted by: pgr88 | October 20, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I don't pay any attention to contributors to the Olbermann's highly partisan (low rated) TV show. You have ZERO credibility...and neither does your newspaper. Cheers

Posted by: MPNangle | October 20, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

""As late as this summer, Republicans had seemingly narrowed the wide generic ballot lead Democrats enjoyed for much of the last two election cycles.""

"Seemingly narrowed"?

Dear The Fix: National elections in the United States are held in even numbered years.

2009 is an odd-numbered year.

Republicans can 'seemingly narrow' their 'generic ballots' all they want in odd-numbered years.

There's no election.

The election, as you may not be aware, is next year -- actually a little more than a year away.

What polls did in the summer of 2009 may be intellectually interesting, and may form a part of your continuing series of waste-of-time tea-leaf reading, but votes won't begin to be counted until the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November 2010.

Posted by: 1EgoNemo | October 20, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

What do you call a Pyrrhic victory that doesn't even result in a victory? Just pathetic, I guess, but the GOP will settle for it.

Posted by: nodebris | October 20, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

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"What do you call a Pyrrhic victory that doesn't even result in a victory?"

Mission Accomplished???

ISA

Posted by: Issa1 | October 20, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Let's see, since January Republicans on Capitol Hill have been pretty much unified in thier opposition to the administration's and the Democrat's agenda. However they have not made clear whether this is a principled conservative postition, or (more likely I think) a tactic to try and make the Dem's look ineffective.

During this time no Republican (or group) has come forward as the leader of the party. Fox News has filled that vacuum but, predictably not very effectively.

The new Chairman of the GOP has been, to put it politely, a disaster.

Now it appears that a minimum number of Republicans are going to support "progressive" legislation, in order to avoid the "party-of-no" and "obstructionist" labels.

When/where was this celebration again?

Posted by: MDLaxer | October 20, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

people get it that those who run against the dems are not going to pass legislation that the people don't want...
the dems messed it up by not putting jobs first and for most...
people are hurting and all they hear the dems talk about is health care...
and when people are unemployed they could care less about that...
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Unless the get a big fat medical bill or bad diagnosis whilst unemployed and uninsured. In this country.... we let you die if you cant pay.. DIE. you snivelling asss!

Posted by: ukangitmynutz | October 20, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

The GOP thinks it's gaining support? Huh? Sounds like more of their delusional thinking. They haven't proposed any fixes to the problems they caused during Bush's reich; they haven't said anything but 'no.' And the only people they like are old, rich, white guys who agree with their failed policies and economic failures.

Posted by: rurik | October 20, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Losers will always be losers.

Posted by: Honest_Abe | October 20, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"Since both the Post and ABC are state run media,"

Let us look at this comment by a poster here. I would guess that this person actually beleives this -- that a huge, free-market capitalist, global conglomerate like ABC/WaPo is run by the US government.

This is what I am talking in terms of problems faced by the Republican party. This is their base -- and they are so out of touch with reality it's frightening. They will never support a candidate who can get elected in a general.

Posted by: drindl | October 20, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

This is a classic example of how being inside the beltway warps thinking.

"Early celebration" for the GOP? What the hell does that even mean? They've done nothing. And out here in the country, very little has changed in perception of the GOP. A few people looked up during summer vacation and saw a bunch of wingnuts yelling something at a healthcare meeting or something. That's about it. That's how things are perceived.

By the end of the year, HC reform will pass and the Republicans will say what? That they fought for the American people by attempting to do nothing?

The GOP has serious fundamental problems and reporting from The Fix should reflect that, not parrot some BS about a Republican uptick in the past few months. Come on, Cilizza.

Posted by: plynch1 | October 20, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

The only reason Republicans seem relevant to the Press is because of Faux News and Rush Limbaugh. Without them constantly making news, the feckless Republican leadership on the Hill and the frightening "mavericks" in the field would be seen as wandering aimlessly in the political wilderness.

Having your own network, like Notre Dame football, keeps you in the public eye, but it doesn't mean you are any better on the field.

Posted by: AxelDC | October 20, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

If this is true [see below] then offer us some empirical evidence in support of this claim - not just an opinion!

If it is true then this is a very serious charge and should be investigated and they should be exposed!

However, if this is just an opinion then you are a waste of time!

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I'm afraid Chris that ANY poll conducted by the left-ists at the POST and ABC is ..........well DOA.

The POST has a history of COOKING their polls.

Higher approvals for Democrat issues......

Lower approvals for Republicans and Republican issues. This poll reflects the same historical cooking...........sad.

Posted by: allenridge
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Posted by: dotto | October 20, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I haven't seen any Republicans celebrating are saying they were going to beat the Democrats in 2010. What we have seen, that may give them hope that they will do better, is the complete and utter failure of Obama's policies. He rammed the corrupt stimulous bill down the throats of the American people promising UNEMPLOYMENT wouldn't go above 8%. UNEMPLOYMENT is 9.8% and shooting up. The stimulous bill added a trillion in corrupt special interest spending and millions have lost their jobs. Obama keeps printing & borrowing unimaginable amounts of money and plunging the country deeper and deeper into debt. And wait until the Democrats taxes start hitting. The average American still thinks Obama is only going to tax the rich. The Republicans have one thing going for them. The power crazed corruption of total Democratic control of the Government!!!

Posted by: valwayne | October 20, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

In otherwords, the Republican Party has not yet totally figured out how to fool a certain group of people (needed) to fool a lot of people. In common language that means they have literally ran out of BS to fool most white people in this country.

Posted by: knjon353 | October 20, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse


Again, what does the GOP have to celebrate anyway? Did they win something we did not hear about?

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"Premature celebration"? What in the world do Repubes have to celebrate?

Posted by: free-donny | October 20, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: free-donny | October 20, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

That the Republican party remains unpopular should surprise no one. After all, in the wake of the 2006 and 2008 elections, conservative talking heads and politicians said that the way for the party to regain popularity is to move further to the right.

No wonder they are so lonely.

Posted by: castanea | October 20, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

tkfarrow, did you see the numbers? No?
You said,

"Nowhere in the published version of the survey does it tell us how the 1004 random respondents identify themselves ideologically."

This is false, see question 908a.

Guess what, in this poll 74% of the respondents identified themselves as moderate or conservative, about equally divided...and still only 20% would name themselves Republican.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 20, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm afraid Chris that ANY poll conducted by the left-ists at the POST and ABC is ..........well DOA.

The POST has a history of COOKING their polls.

Higher approvals for Democrat issues......

Lower approvals for Republicans and Republican issues. This poll reflects the same historical cooking...........sad.

Posted by: allenridge | October 20, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Why would the GOPers think the public would trust them when the best known Repukes are Sarah Palin, Mikey Steele, Michelle Bachmann, Mike Huckabee, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, George Bush, Karl Rove, and Dick Cheney?

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 20, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"Since both the Post and ABC are state run media, it’s absurd to expect anyone to believe their polls."

TINFOIL TEABAGGER ALERT

Posted by: drindl | October 20, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"Premature celebration"? What in the world do Repubes have to celebrate?

Posted by: free-donny | October 20, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Since both the Post and ABC are state run media, it’s absurd to expect anyone to believe their polls.

Posted by: hunter340 | October 20, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Tkfarrow, you're making the same mistake that all committed partisans make when they encounter an election, a vote or apoll that doesn't turn out to their liking: They reach for some handy explanation that allows them to continue to hope that they are still winning the hearts and minds of the voters.

Look. I knew instinctively that the town hall and tea party antics in August were having an impact on the media and chattering classes. And I knew that their obsessive dwelling on them would have some negative impact on Obama's numbers. Such wall-to-wall coverage usually does. But such manipulation of opinion is not very lasting and the public eventually catches on to the attempt. That is precisely what has happened here and they are blaming the GOP for it.

Look. I see polls on various subjects that I don't particularly like either. But making silly, partisan charges that the poll was bogus doesn't really change anything. At some point every loser has to wake up and accept the reality that they lost for a reason. And most often that reason is that they lost the confidence of the voters.

Posted by: jaxas | October 20, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Fix.

you keep mentioning those who are worried about Obama growing the govt... but you miss people like me.

at first I was a rarity-- someone who thought obama was just another corporate shill

but now?
I talk to people all the time who consider obama no different than bush on the corporate shill meter.

Posted by: tru-indy | October 20, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

AS many of your readers have mentioned, this is the real story--the schism between responsible Republicans like Crist, who can actually govern, and far rightwingers who have little to offer except calling for unreality-based unsustainable tax cuts and a return to a golden past that never existed. The far right increasingly lives in a Lala land created by TV and radio schlockmeisters -- a monster the R party helped create, but which is now turning on it.

"Inhofe for Rubio: Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.), a conservative firebrand, threw his support behind the Senate candidacy former Florida state House speaker Marco Rubio (R) on Monday calling him "exactly the type of conservative leader Americans need in Washington today." Inhofe is the latest national conservative leader -- former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee (R) and Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) are among the others -- to back Rubio's challenge to Gov. Charlie Crist (R) who has secured the endorsement of the National Republican Senatorial Committee among other establishment organizations.

Posted by: drindl | October 20, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

My greatest disappointment with Obama is his refusal to prosecute Bush and the other criminals who ruled for 8 looooooooooooong years. What does he mean by "time to move on?" Does that mean persecuting crimes should be stopped? Or perhaps, a la Ford, we should automatically pardon criminals (remember Nixon anyone)? Can you imagine if joe blow went to court for conspiring to massacre thousands and being told by the judge he is throwing out the case because its time to "move on?"
I fully understand that he cannot undo the catastrophic mess left behind by that brainless cretin Bush in one day, but since he campaigned on change, lets see that change at the most basic level. Corrupt politicians should be sent to Leavenworth the same as the rest of us.

Posted by: poorvic | October 20, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

And, perhaps most troubling for GOP hopes is the fact that just 20 percent of the Post sample identified themselves as Republicans, the lowest that number has been in Post polling since 1983. (No, that is not a typo.)

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1983 seems to be the magic number for the Repubs.

BTW, wasn't it St. Ronnie the Senile that had been in office for, oh, I don't know, what TWO WHOLE YEARS by that time ?

Isn't that also the same period that economists and historians are comparing our current state to, you know, "unemployement rates not seen since 1983" ?

Yeah, remind me again to vote for some of that great conservatism. At least it's only 20% of our population that is appearently stupid enough to want more of that.

Posted by: dennissuper | October 20, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Auntpittypat, I am gratified that you are going to work against entrenched republicans but if you think that running on a campaign of cuts to the US Budget is going to be sufficient to draw large numbers of voters into your camp then you are deluding yourself.

Look. Americans may be ticked at their government but it isn't because they want government out of their lives. They don't and anyone who really believes they do is crazy. What Americans want form their government is a sense that they are acting prudently, that they are institution policies that will result in a safe, secure and prosperous country. They may think their individual taxes are too high but they do not go along with these hidebound, absolutist conservative notions about taxes and spending.

The truth is that if you want to see a real revolt in this country, just go ahead and try to implement some of those libertarian ideas that the right is so devoted to. That is where you will find out just how completely irrelevant Ron Paul or Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh really is.

Think about it yourself for a minute and then pick up your phone or get on your keybloard and get on touch wioht your favorite conservative congressman and demand that he propose a repeal of Medicare or Social Security or Federal Aid to Education. Then get back on this blog and tell us what sort of reaction you got.

Posted by: jaxas | October 20, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

The polling numbers shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. While the events of September 11th helped Republicans gain seats in a midterm election, Democrats inability to show a credible alternative to the Republicans also contributed to their loses in 2002. Democrats should not be celebrating with these numbers. Rather, they should see it as a sign that their polling numbers are no longer in a political free fall, and that they have chance at defending some of their seats, but they will probably still see a net loss of members in Congress.

Posted by: jameshauser | October 20, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

'Less than one in five voters (19 percent) expressed confidence in Republicans' ability to make the right decisions for America's future while a whopping 79 percent lacked that confidence.'

People identifying as Republican has been hovering around 19 - 20% for months now, CC. I'm surprised you're surprised. I guess it's that wishful Beltway thinking that clouds the mind. But out here in the real world, we are suffering the catastrophic consequences of 8 years of republican rule and their brand of 'small government.'

Spending didn't go down, because campaign contributors/contractors must be paid, but services sure did, and lack of regulation and oversight created problems in every area, from the financial markets to food poisoning. And then of course, taxes for the middle class had to stay high to support tax cuts for the wealthiest.

Why you are surprised at this poll, CC, is that you, like most of the rest of the MSM, have been paying too much attention to a very noisy, but very small faction of the right, who are indeed, very angry.

Unfortunately for Repulicicans, they are just as angry with them as they are with Dems.

Posted by: drindl | October 20, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Relevant? Yes, the Republicans are relevant in the same way as the wailing car alarm falsely triggered in the parking lot outside our window. We learn to ignore it, but it still grates. At least someone eventually shuts off the car alarm.

Posted by: optimyst | October 20, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Chris, did you read the actual survey? The accuracy of the findings is dependent upon whether the sample accurately reflects the ideological make-up of the country. Nowhere in the published version of the survey does it tell us how the 1004 random respondents identify themselves ideologically. That's curious, don't you think?

Surely, if the study is heavy on liberals, the results will say something very different than if the proportion of respondents mirrors the ideological proportion of the population as a whole. According to Gallup, only 22% of the population identifies as liberal, while more than 30% identify as conservative and the largest group identifies as moderate. Further, ideological identification is different than party id - a high percentage of conservatives are registered independents not Republicans.

In short, this poll doesn't tell us one way or another whether Repubs are celebrating prematurely. It just appears to give hope that they are.

Posted by: tkfarrow | October 20, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

On Chris Christie's campaign for Governor of New Jersey, check out the article by Paul Mulshine of The Star Ledger on nj.com "Is Chris Christie's Campaign the Worst Run in New Jersey History?"

. . . "last week I heard him assign some of the blame. After the debate Friday night at William Paterson University, a reporter asked Christie why his campaign failed to anticipate the emergence of independent Chris Daggett, who is cutting into Christie’s margins in the aforementioned Sussex and Ocean counties that his campaign had been taking for granted.

"That’s what I hire other people to do for me, is to help to make those decisions for me," Christie replied. He added, "I’m out there working 14, 15, 16 hours a day. So the strategy decision is not something I’m generally engaged in."

That was quite a stunning admission. Most pols prefer to at least pretend their strategy flows from their principles. Christie is the first candidate I’ve ever seen admit he’s being spoon-fed his strategy."

Posted by: duanelaw1 | October 20, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

"The people who want Obama gone...don't care who runs against him."

Yes and so long as this is true, Obama will have nothing to worry about.

Earlier several people asked CC to dig deeper into the Republican Rising! (a hilarious farce, it turns out) and try to tease apart the reasons for why fewer people than ever now call themselves Republican.

Most are guessing it is not because America has gotten more "liberal"; it is likely a rejection of the ferocity of the 20%, the faction. But can't we find out whether this guess is correct?

It seems to me there would be a lot of interest in what happened to the party, before it disappears altogether.


Posted by: shrink2 | October 20, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

What do you call a Pyrrhic victory that doesn't even result in a victory? Just pathetic, I guess, but the GOP will settle for it.

Posted by: nodebris | October 20, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

One question that I would have liked to see in the WaPo poll would be "who do you think represents the current GOP?"

People in general have faith in a leader, which is why the democrats almost double the support for republicans. The lack of a clear leader for the GOP not only effects peoples views of their abilities to lead, but it also effects the cohesiveness of the party as a whole. This is why we are seeing these divisions between the moderates and conservatives in races like the NY-23, FL Senate primary, Rand Paul in Iowa, etc.

Posted by: AndyR3 | October 20, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

It is hard for me to see how Republicans are going to make big gains in Congress in 2010. There are districts that they lost in 2008 that probably they shouldn't have, and they may get those back. But overall, their record in the current Congress has been abysmal. They have NO ideas of their own. Their only function has been to attack Obama at every turn as he works to straighten out the messes he inherited. People are not going to vote for that.

I'm originally from SE New Mexico, so I've been watching the Congressional race in that part of the state with interest. The thinking seems to be that Steve Pearce will have an easy time getting his seat back. I'm not so sure about that. He ran a shrill, negative, alarmingly conservative campaign for the Senate in 2008 that certainly sealed his defeat in that race. Another factor is that Harry Teague, the incumbent, and Pearce share the same home base in Lea County and SE NM in general. Teague is very well-liked in that area which is the Republican stronghold in the district. Teague's popularity certainly neutralized the heck out of Tingley, his opponent in 2008, and I think it could have the same effect against Pearce in 2010.

Posted by: jothomp | October 20, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

In re Fix Pick #1, it is no wonder Michele Brown looks like she just swallowed a bad oyster.

"News of Mr. Christie’s loan to Ms. Brown broke in August, dealing a blow to his candidacy, and he apologized for failing to report it on his tax returns and ethics filings."

Posted by: shrink2 | October 20, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

The GOP is building its own coffin. Whatever genius advised them to be the Party of No, opposing every Obama initiative, has his head someplace dark. A large majority of voters put Obama and the Dems into office last election; the way those GOP guys are self-destructing, it can only be more of same next time.

Posted by: JONWINDY | October 20, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

GOP MUST RETURN TO ITS LIBERTARIAN ROOTS, PROTECT CITIZENS AGAINST GOVERNMENT ABUSE OF POWER -- SUCH AS THIS:

Congress: "First, Do No Harm." Take Down the Bush-Cheney "Torture Matrix."

SILENT, HARMFUL MICROWAVE AND LASER DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS DEPLOYED AGAINST AMERICAN CITIZENS BY MULTI-AGENCY FED PROGRAM

• Physical and Neurological Impairment Under the Cover of Telecommunications (faux cell tower installations nationwide), "Less-Lethal" Military/Law Enforcement Weaponry

A federal-local multi-agency coordinated action program -- an ongoing legacy of the Bush-Cheney years -- is committing a quiet genocide on thousands of unjustly targeted Americans...

...via physiologically damaging and degrading microwave/laser radiation weaponry; covert financial exploitation; and a grassroots vigilante army fronted by community policing, town watch and anti-terrorism units who use covertly placed warrantless GPS devices and cell phones to stalk their targets...

... a GRASSROOTS GESTAPO protected by federal and local law enforcement who know all about it...

...a domestic "torture matrix" hiding in plain sight, unreported by a complacent, manipulated mainstream media, unquestioned by naive and apparently misinformed Obama officials.

PRESIDENT OBAMA:

BAN by executive order the use of microwave and laser weaponry (and experimentation) against the American people; and

BAN the warrantless GPS/cell phone tracking of U.S. citizens -- the electronic backbone of a GRASSROOTS GESTAPO now operating on your watch.

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR (if link is corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 20, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I don't blame people for being wary of many of the current Republicans in Congress. I am and I'm a Republican.

BUT I am going to do my utmost to get all of the entrenched Republicans who have been in Washington too long and lost touch with "We, The People" replaced with a new breed of conservatives and republicans who are willing to make the cuts to the US Budget and take the hard knocks doing it so that we can get our deficits in line and our country back on track.

Posted by: auntpittypat | October 20, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"people get it that those who run against the dems are not going to pass legislation that the people don't want...
the dems messed it up by not putting jobs first and for most...
people are hurting and all they hear the dems talk about is health care...
and when people are unemployed they could care less about that... Posted by: DwightCollins"

People get it that, try as the might the Dems are facing the results of do nothing Republicanism dating back to the Gingrich revolution. They get it that even now the Republicans declare what it is the people don't want, based on what their faction doesn't want, and try their damdest to keep what they perceive to be what the people don't want from happening.

Of course, to do this they have to keep ignoring the results of elections that suggest that the people DO want what the Democrats are offering.

Six or several more electoral disasters for the republicans just MIGHT send them a message.

Posted by: ceflynline | October 20, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Chris, One of the more intersting findings in the WaPo poll:

"Faced with a basic choice that soon may confront the administration and Democratic congressional leaders, a slim majority of Americans, 51 percent, would prefer a plan that included some form of government insurance for people who cannot get affordable private coverage even if it had no GOP support in Congress. Thirty-seven percent would rather have a bipartisan plan that did not feature a public option. Republicans and Democrats are on opposite sides of this question, while independents prefer a bill that includes a public option but does not have Republican support, by 52 percent to 35 percent."

Basically, the public option is favored more than bipartisanship for its own sake. Possibly b/c the public would actually like Congress and the Administration to do something? And health care is intrinsically related to unemployment, b/c with an employer provided insurance model, losing a job means losing health care for most people.

Posted by: -pamela | October 20, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Republican Politics:

When you are in a hole, just keep digging.

Don't change a thing.
It's working.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 20, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

The people who want Obama gone are drinking toondeeply of the faux kool aid....

Posted by: John1263 | October 20, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Numbers as bad as those reported hardly qualify as relevance. The ONLY good news the Republicans can find is that they have disrupted the Presidents attampts to carry through with his campaign promises.

"Nyah Nyah Nyah, we won't let you!!!"

The Republicans can and will run on such a script.

Will anyone outside the sacred 20% vote for them when they do?

Posted by: ceflynline | October 20, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

I seem to have missed the mandatory tone of this blog. Try again.

Aren't liberals wonderful. Isn't Obama a miracle. If only repubs were smart. No matter the utter lack of accomplishment, it's someone elses fault.

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

The real story, the reason for the terrible numbers even though the base is all fired up, is that the Party has split. There is a schism. 20% of the population willing do identify as members is not a "relevant" political party, it is a faction.

As the leaders continued to pander to this faction, moderates abandoned the Republicans. So, in fact, '09 has been awful for the Republican Party.

They will not be back to getting out and voting Republican simply out of frustration with Obama. The Republicans must produce some candidates that are not afraid of the radicals to their Right. They haven't yet, their leaders won't allow it.


Posted by: shrink2 | October 20, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Chris,

You can't be serious calling Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma a "conservative leader". If he is, then conservatives need to rethink their leadership.

I live in Oklahoma. Inhofe, at one time a decent public servant, has turned himself into the quintessential grumpy old man - against everything and anything. He rarely offers any positive observations unless it's to save Oklahoma's military bases from the BRAK Commission.

In fact, he's much like Oklahoma's other genius of the Senate, Sen. Tom "Dr No" Conburn.

The State of Oklahoma should be embarassed to have these two Neanderthals representing them in the Senate - but we're also state that thinks Toby Keith is the epitomy of a right thinking American... sorry that's 'Merican.

How sad that any political group claims this wingnut for a leader.

Please don't mention him again - it only encourages him.

Posted by: stephenrhymer | October 20, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

I was looking for the health care debate / negotiation on cspan, as promised by candidate Obama. Not there.

Still no decision on Afghanistan. Seems the only decision that is possible is to seek donations and make speeches.

This blog is turning into cc replying to drivl- how hi?

Posted by: snowbama | October 20, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

As the lies put out by fox start to be exposed as fraud -- like the stimulus not working, Obama doing nothing etc... by the undenyable reality the gop will be facing an ever worsening situation. They wrecked the country, then managed to lie in close enough unison to convince some people that up is down -- but as they are exposed as liars for the second time, third time, fourth time, and so on the confidence in their "brand" will reduce to zero.

Posted by: John1263 | October 20, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Interesting snapshot. AndyR's general rule that the state of the economy will determine the vote probably has a specific corollary: unemployment rate is the strongest single factor. I do not have time to look at the WaPo poll in depth and hope that someone else does and reports here, as is usually the case.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | October 20, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

What is there to celebrate? The GOP is widely unpopular except for their whacked out base (birthers, teabaggers, etc...).

The GOP leaders have decided on a strategy of obstructionism. Saying "no" to anything that comes from the Democratic majority, and publicly expressing a desire for the President's agenda to fail, is not viewed favorably. If anything, the GOP's behavior is validating the reasons why the Republicans were unceremoniously thrown out of office in 2006 and 2008. Showing utter disdain for the American people is not the way to get votes.

Posted by: Gatsby10 | October 20, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Something that the pundits don't take into consideration is that probably a noticeable reason why President Obama's approval ratings have been falling is that time and again he has failed to deliver on what he promised. In fruitless efforts to try to get "bipartisanship" from people who have made his failure their sole goal, the President has abandoned many of the goals that HE ran on, and was elected on. Not surprisingly, his supporters are considerably less than happy.

Posted by: edallan | October 20, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Ned Lamont is Sestak's big endorsement. Lamont is a joke. A warm blanket could have beaten Liebermann in the Democratic primary in 2006, because Liebermann isn't a Democrat anymore.

I have said for a while that the GOP's optimism was not warranted. This is why the moderate GOPers need to get together and vote for the healthcare reform. It will show they are willing to work with the other side, which will benefit them in the long run. This same principle holds true for Bank reform, and the cap and trade legislation.

Posted by: AndyR3 | October 20, 2009 8:04 AM | Report abuse

This is what happens when a political party simply says "no" to everything and fails to offer a viable alternative. Voters knew what Democrats stood for when they boosted them to power in 2006.

All the GOP does is complain and call the president names without laying out exactly what direction they want the country to take (which wouldn't matter, since the public would shudder at that plan...).

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | October 20, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

people get it that those who run against the dems are not going to pass legislation that the people don't want...
the dems messed it up by not putting jobs first and for most...
people are hurting and all they hear the dems talk about is health care...
and when people are unemployed they could care less about that...

Posted by: DwightCollins | October 20, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

The people who want Obama gone.. don't care who runs against him.

Posted by: newbeeboy | October 20, 2009 7:01 AM | Report abuse

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