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White House Cheat Sheet: Republicans Try to Tar Pelosi



House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is under fire for her comments about the CIA. AP Photo/Susan Walsh

Update, 10:50 a.m.: Pelosi refused to comment on the brouhaha created by her allegation that the CIA "misled" her on the treatment of terrorist detainees during a press conference on Capitol Hill this morning. "I have made the statement I am going to make by this," said Pelosi. "I stand by my comment." Ken Spain, communications director at the National Republican Congressional Committee, pronounced himself dissatisfied with Pelosi's remarks. "Speaker Pelosi stammered and filibustered around the elephant in the room because she knows full well that she has become a political liability to her fellow Democrats in Congress," said Spain.

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When Nancy Pelosi was elected Speaker of the House in early 2007, Republican strategists could barely contain their glee, believing that the liberal, San Francisco congresswoman would make a perfect foil for them in future elections in the same way that Democrats used Newt Gingrich to hang around the necks of his Republican colleagues a decade ago.

Pelosi's first several years proved a disappointment for those once-high Republican hopes as the California Democrat steered a liberal but not particularly high profile course in the House.

Until the last seven days, that is.

Pelosi's press conference on what she knew and when she knew it in regards to the waterboarding of terrorist suspects and her allegation that the C.I.A. had misled her on the matter thrust her into an unwelcome national spotlight.

And, Republicans quickly pounced.

House Minority Leader John Boehner (Ohio) said that Pelosi "has had way too many stories on this issue" and former vice president Dick Cheney said "on numerous occasions, leading members of Congress, including the current speaker of the House, were briefed on the program and on the methods" during a speech on national security Thursday.

In addition, the National Republican Congressional Committee sent out releases on Thursday to nearly 70 Democratic districts alleging that the member of Congress "may not be interested in finding out whether the Pelosi's accusations that the CIA misled her are true or not but certainly the American people think otherwise," and the Republican National Committee has posted a Web video designed to focus attention on Pelosi and the interrogation issue.

Several polls out late this week suggest that Pelosi has taken on water over the detainee issue. In a Gallup survey, 31 percent approved of how Pelosi has "handled the matter of interrogation techniques against terrorism suspects" while 47 percent disapproved. (Pelosi's numbers were a stark contrast to those of President Obama who had a 59 approval/29 percent disapproval on the question.)

And, a CNN poll showed that 39 percent approved of the job Pelosi was handling her speakership while 48 percent disapproved -- well below the 46 percent approval rating that the Californian scored in a CNN survey in March 2007.

Even with the decline in Pelosi's numbers, they are nowhere near as low as Gingrich's nadir in the CNN data; in a CNN survey in late March 1997, just 25 percent of the national sample approved of the job Gingrich was doing while 63 percent disapproved.

In focus groups done in Seattle, Richmond and Chicago over the last week by Democratic pollster Celinda Lake, "not one voter base or swing [voter] has raised the issue" of Pelosi and the CIA, said Lake. "People are focused on economy, security, health care -- in short the business of the people which the speaker has been working on," Lake added.

While it's clear the last week has been far from kind politically to Pelosi, it's far more debatable what the long term political consequences will be (if any) for House Democrats. (The debate about Pelosi's personal political future is a non-starter; she will hold her district until she decides she doesn't want it anymore.)

Carl Forti, who spent three election cycles at the National Republican Congressional Committee, said that Pelosi's situation is an opportunity for GOPers but far from a sure thing.

"The bad news for Democrats is Pelosi's name I.D. is rising, people have an opinion of her and its not favorable," said Forti. "The good news for Democrats is that its always hard to transfer negatives of someone else to their member."

That dictum was proven out during the 2006 and 2008 elections when Democrats worked hard to tar House Republicans with the specter of former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (Texas) and disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Those Republicans who were ultimately defeated by that strategy were those with direct links to DeLay and/or Abramoff; members who simply had accepted a campaign contribution (or had some other tenuous link to either man) escaped largely unscathed.

Pelosi has several other factors going for her that differentiate her from Gingrich: she enjoys very strong support among her caucus and a large majority that ensures that even losing a dozen or so seats would do little to affect the passage of the president's agenda through Congress in 2011.

Republicans are looking for someone -- anyone -- on the Democratic side to whom some negatives will stick given their decided lack of success in doing so to Obama. Pelosi is in the crosshairs right now. How will she handle herself in the coming weeks and months?

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EFCA -- It's Baaaack!: The Employee Free Choice Act, considered dead after Sen. Arlen Specter (then a Republican) came out in opposition to it, is likely to be re-written and then re-introduced in the Senate within the next two months, according to informed labor sources. Politico's Glenn Thrush reported that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) as well as Democratic Sens. Tom Harkin (Iowa), Dick Durbin (Ill.) and Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) huddled on Thursday to discuss strategy for the re-emergence of the controversial bill, which Democrats contend will simply allow workers to organize unions more easily and Republicans believe will remove the secret ballot. "We're confident with great advocates in the Senate like Tom Harkin that someday soon, millions of Americans will be able to experience a workplace in which they truly have a voice," said Service Employees International Union president Andy Stern. The thinking in the labor community is that a revised bill -- the parameters of which remain undecided -- can get the 60 votes it needs to invoke cloture and bring it to a floor vote in the Senate. Specter, the newest Democrat, will almost certainly line up behind the new bill if for no other reason than to make a potential primary challenge from Rep. Joe Sestak more complicated. Two other hurdles: Democrat Al Franken (Minn.) will need to be seated and Arkansas Sen. Blanche Lincoln, who has said she would not vote to end debate, would need to be convinced.

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I don't believe she has throngs of loyal supporters throughout the House.. it's just cheaper to keep her...

She stays out of their way, for the most part; if she sobered up, they probably would get rid of her.

Posted by: newbeeboy | May 23, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I just saw that the House held a confidence vote on the Speaker. Turns out the only ones out to "get her" are the Rethugs. She not only got all of the Dem. votes, she even managed to garner two thugs. Way to go Nancy!

Posted by: nwsjnky1 | May 23, 2009 1:55 AM | Report abuse

The Washington post has lost ALL credibility with this article blaming the GOP for going after poor Pelosi. The woman is a disgrace and an imbecile! She would rather bring down the CIA then tell the truth .How did she EVER get to such a high position. It frightens me to think that she is 3rd in line for the Presidency!!

Posted by: reneethereseperry | May 22, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

The Washington post has lost ALL credibility with this article blaming the GOP for going after poor Pelosi. The woman is a disgrace and an imbecile! She would rather bring down the CIA then tell the truth .How did she EVER get to such a high position. It frightens me to think that she is 3rd in line for the Presidency!!

Posted by: reneethereseperry | May 22, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Republicans try to "tar" Pelosi? That would suggest Pelosi is innocent and the right is borrowing Robert Byrd's KKK sheets and is going to town on her.

Maybe, just maaaaaybe - this bug eyed, botoxed cartoon character lied one too many times?

Remember Ollie North? What of what crime was he convicted? Lying to congress.

Only then, the left ginned up a media machine to destroy North.

Could we imagine a scenario in which the leftist media would hold the madam accountable? Yeah baby, tell me all about it.

Already the leftist congress has refused to even consider what she has done.

But they are the most transparent congress in history....

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | May 22, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

So,frank,speaking as an Independent Voter,
Iam just as sick of both the San Francisco
Mental Midget Madame Nancy Pelosi and the
Kenya Teleprompter Reader Lying Loser Big
Mouth Messiah Barack Hussein Obama,and I
will definitely not vote for any Democrat
for any office,local state,or national as
result of these two dimwit Democrat Losers
Pelosi and Obama and will continue to not
vote for Democrats until the stupid Socialist Democrats get rid of both Speaker
Nancy Pelosi and Kenya Citizen President
Imposter Barack Hussein Obama and Iam sure
a lot of other voters feel the way I do as
well. The Democrats have only themselves to
blame for forcing looney toon ultra liberal
whackos like Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi
off on the voters and can now pay very high
price come Election Days 2010 and 2012.
Dump Both Obama & Pelosi or go to Hades!

Posted by: Marilyn80 | May 22, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Which is the bigger lie? Lieing about whether you knew about waterboarding and nobody dies or lieing about WMD's and 4,000 people die and 10,000 people are maimed??

Posted by: doughboy96 | May 22, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Would not say that Speaker Nancy Pelosi served as a role model for women today at her press conference. Not only did she not answer questions from the press, but she had to be backed up by three of four guys standing at the ready if she blew it again. That is not the way to instill confidence in the populace.

Ms. Pelosi needs to resign, and allow someone to lead. She didn't and she CAN'T!!!

Posted by: wheeljc | May 22, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

At her next 'press conference', if she does not respond to her allegations against the CIA, hope the press (WP, YOU SHOULD TAKE THE LEAD) asks her about all of the alleged corruption within the US Congress -- to wit, John Murtha, Charlie Rangel, Maxine Waters, -- just to name three. She promised years ago that if her party took back Congress, she was going to clean up the mess. PLEASE PRESS -- ASK FOR A SPECIFIC STATUS REPORT!!

The Madam Speaker has LOST CREDIBILITY!!!

Posted by: wheeljc | May 22, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

The CIA and Republicans, including former representative Porter Goss, later head of the CIA, disputed her account. Goss, who was at the 2002 briefing with Pelosi,

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Are you insane?

You are presuming that a REPUBLICAN was TELLING THE TRUTH?!?

Have you been asleep since 1980?!?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

The CIA and Republicans, including former representative Porter Goss, later head of the CIA, disputed her account. Goss, who was at the 2002 briefing with Pelosi, wrote in The Washington Post that he was "slack-jawed" by Pelosi's account. CIA director Leon Panetta, a fellow Democrat, also slapped her down, saying his agency did not lie to Congress.

Is it time to conclude that Nancy Pelose is a liar?

Posted by: sagereader | May 22, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Chris, do you write the misleading headlines for The Fix??

Nancy Pelosi has tarred herself. Let you not try to deceive your readers.

Honesty in the press!! Do you sign on, Chris?

Posted by: sagereader | May 22, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

When a liberal criticizes a Republican president, it's treasonous. When a conservative does the same about a Democrat president, it's patriotic.

Posted by: labman57

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Uh, dude, the goobers are WAY to stupid to see irony or hypocrisy. Come on!

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

She'll only suffer for it in the short term. Plenty of other credible people are coming out to say the CIA has been known to mislead or lie to congress. Nancy is a hero for having the political courage to let everyone know this happens. Now, can we get back to prosecuting the illegal torturers? This is clearly the Republican's attempt to deflect all talk of the Bush administration's criminal acts. And the media plays along since it's good for their business.

Posted by: bgormley1 | May 22, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Republicans didn't go after Bin-Laden with as much enthusiasm as they are going after Pelosi.

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There was always the distant possibility that Osama might be able to hit back. As you know, Republicans only go after those guaranteed by 20 years of sanctions to be unable to retaliate. Google "Iraq" and "North Korea."

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

When a liberal criticizes a Republican president, it's treasonous. When a conservative does the same about a Democrat president, it's patriotic.

When a Democrat calls out the CIA for being deliberately deceptive in its communications with Congress, it's a threat to national security. When a Republican does it, it's in the best interest of national security.

Hypocrisy is SOP for the GOP.

Posted by: labman57 | May 22, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Despicable, desperate, and totally devoid of ethics - the GOP (Greedy Old Pharts) just keep getting worse and worse.....as if that was possible. They have absolutely NO intention or desire of doing anything positive for this country - they should all be the new "visitors" of Gitmo for their deceptive, treasonous behavior as "public servants." What do you call one million Republicans at the bottom of the ocean? A good start -aside from the environmental impact of dumping that much human pond scum in one location of the planet.

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | May 22, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Despicable, desperate, and totally devoid of ethics - the GOP (Greedy Old Pharts) just keep getting worse and worse.....as if that was possible. They have absolutely NO intention or desire of doing anything positive for this country - they should all be the new "visitors" of Gitmo for their deceptive, treasonous behavior as "public servants." What do you call one million Republicans at the bottom of the ocean? A good start -aside from the environmental impact of dumping that much human pond scum in one location of the planet.

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | May 22, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Patriotic Americans to anti-American unpatriotic Republicants:

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO DEMS!

Deal with it.

You lose.

Forty years in the wilderness, this is your fate, gutless wonders!

Posted by: WillSeattle | May 22, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Chrissuxit. Is your life really that empty. As empty as your head?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | May 22, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Republicans didn't go after Bin-Laden with as much enthusiasm as they are going after Pelosi.

Posted by: FKoretz | May 22, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Our soldiers in Iraq were forced by Republican Big Oil parasites and maniacs from the AEI, Pentagon, CIA and White Heritage Foundation to retrieve oil contracts from the second largest oil reserve on the planet these maggots have coveted for centuries. It is all about oil and empire. Republican little boys trying to fetch some manhood after we were attacked couldn't care less who we slaughter. Killing the wrong people for corporate enrichment from 40,000 feet makes us no different than them and not to even mention the oil contracts is an insult to the dead. I am an Air Force Vietnam War veteran and if you believe you have an ordained right to murder folks for their betterment, then I suggest you rush downtown and enlist today so you can hang on ropes from choppers machine gunning barbaric chillen into fruit stands for Jesus, Halliburton and the American Way. Personally, the Iraq Oil gangbang is perhaps the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on my nation. Cheney is a war criminal and you can sling tar on Pelosi all day but when the sun sets the Italian grandmother will clean your bloody oil rig. Do yourself a favor Republicans, move to Dubai with Jesus and Halliburton to be closer to the oil you covet, you false idol, knuckleheads!

Posted by: rhyer | May 22, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

What an embarrassment [Pelosi] is.

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Only to you 21-percenters.

Ask anyone else, especially outside the US, which official, former or current, has been the big embarrasment to the USA. Pelosi won't even be on the long list.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

So the moron isn't going to make any more statements?
Imagine if a senior Republican made a comment like that. You liberal Pelosi apologists would have your drawers in a wad and be screaming about it.
Pelosi is nothing but a stupid liberal democrat liar who can't seem to remember which lie she told last.
What an embarrassment she is. She shouldn't be third in line to clean restrooms in the Capitol, much less the presidency. Along with the other two nitwits in the White House, they make the three stooges look like intellectuals.

Posted by: LarryG62 | May 22, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Republicans and the mutants at the CIA/World Bank told you the second largest oil reserve with no air force, navy, missile system, aerial defenses, who never fired a bullet at us and who Reagan armed Saddam from 81 to 88 to kill Iranians and the Kurds and their kids was a nuclear threat so they could privatize the oil and make hundreds of billions if not trillions harvesting it which they are doing this very second. It was, is and remains all lies and idiot, morally bankrupt Republicans wouldn't know the enemy from a flatbed of spam. Cheney is a Halliburton grunt paid for performance and killing 1.3 million Iraqis to deliver oil contracts gets a big check in Dubai for Dick, the lying, oil stealing prick from Nebraska. Truth.

Posted by: rhyer | May 22, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

So tell me why the states with the highest obesity rates are red?

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There may be some goobers at the gym but you'd have a hard time finding one. Goobers don't exercise, and they eat crap.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chris! Mateosf here to do you a little favor. You see I, too, was once in the newspaper business, and so, out of the kindness of my heart, I've written a sub-head that will help your readers better understand the nature of this story.

Head: "Republicans try to tar Pelosi"
Subhead: "And the Washington Post is happy to oblige them!"

Have a great weekend, I'll send you the bill!

MWAH

Posted by: mateosf | May 22, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama signs credit card bill

Posted by: DDAWD

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Watch the GOP come out on the side of the credit card companies, screaming about the terrible wrongness of "distorting the marketplace." Watch the goobers eat it up. Watch everyone else applaud the relief from usury.

Watch the GOP lose big next year

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

"Second, if you want healthcare, pay for it yourself, have a smart diet and exercise regularly (it's called being "responsible").

Posted by: cschotta1"
========
So tell me why the states with the highest obesity rates are red?
(not to mention they also download the most porn)

Posted by: JRM2 | May 22, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a liar.

Another really - really bad day for the DEMOCRUDS.

Posted by: hclark1 | May 22, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

"the US should stop paying for the healthcare for illegals and the "entitlement" crowd? Good luck!!

Posted by: cschotta1 |"
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Some nurse you are, I suppose you'd let 'em die in the hospital lobby then cry because you can't buy any lettuce for your "freedom salad"

Posted by: JRM2 | May 22, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

All Pelosi has to do is show that the Republicans
missed the information about 9/11 before it happened
and the FBI and CIA and NSA weren't talking to each other.
They had become separate factions and their databases
didn't share information and much of the critical data
hadn't even been added to the databases.

Posted by: blakesouthwood | May 22, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama signs credit card bill

Posted by: DDAWD | May 22, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

The Repuglicans need to be tarred & feathered for what they tried to do to this country!

Posted by: asclepious2 | May 22, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Do you so unable to control your emotions that you constantly call people names to their face? Or do you only act uncivil when hiding behind the veil of anonymity?

It's one or the other. I am just curious which one.

==

(1) I'm not anonymous

(2) I call people names to their faces. Just ask the libertarian types at my gym who think it's OK to get the floor wet in front of the lockers

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox -

Do you so unable to control your emotions that you constantly call people names to their face? Or do you only act uncivil when hiding behind the veil of anonymity?

It's one or the other. I am just curious which one.

Posted by: bobmoses | May 22, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Don't make fun. I'm sure he went to Yail.

==

but he vuss yust followink orders!

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Obama really wanted to let the Bush enablers skate on torture and other war crimes, or just wanted to appear to? Because the public is not going to let this rest. Obama now has the luxury of appearing "forced" to allow a Truth Commission. I suspect he's going to enjoy the sight of all those rotten people going to prison as much as the rest of us are.

It's really gonna be fun demanding Israel to extradite all the dual-loyalty creeps like Wolfowitz, Perle, and Feith from their rotten little country

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"You sure his isn't one of those matchbook cover schools that have names that sound like legit schools? Maybe like "Stansferd" or "Tanford" or "Harvoid" or "Yail"?"

Don't make fun. I'm sure he went to Yail. Probably got out early too...for good behavior.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 22, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Went to Home Depot for some industrial strength troll spray. It worked on "AsperGirl" last year.

Here goes. Pssssssssssssssssssssst.

Let's see what happens.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 22, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Is Jake the Joke still pretending to have graduated top of his class at Stanford Law?

Or has his fantasy life moved on?

Posted by: pali2600 | May 22, 2009 5:54
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You sure his isn't one of those matchbook cover schools that have names that sound like legit schools? Maybe like "Stansferd" or "Tanford" or "Harvoid" or "Yail"? Look, leave Jake alone, he still has to find 57 more smashed aluminum soda cans to walk down to the grocery store before 8:00pm. Then it's off to the shopping mall to take coins from the fountain while Paul Blart, Mall Cop, isn't looking.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 22, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Corrections- Republicans WANTED to tar Pelosi and Big Media made sure they were able to by allowing Pelosi to be a distraction from the issue of President Bush authorizing illegal torture.


Why would Big Media do this? Because if there is a "real" investigation of the torture, the media will end up looking about as bad as Bush and Cheney. The failed us for eight years by not asking, no investigating, obfuscating, and echoing lies from a criminal administration.

So, Pelosi will pay and Bush will walk and the worthless state mouthpiece news you are limited to will remain unencumbered in its march straight to hell.

Posted by: fishingriver | May 22, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Have an enjoyable Memorial Day weekend!

Even you libs.

I'm calling a temporary truce for an hour or two, because I'm bored with the Loser Lib Logic. Too easy, way too easy to dispel and defeat!!!

Posted by: sagereader | May 22, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Yet when it was exposed that Pelosi knew about it, yet did nothig about it, it made her "just" as guilty.

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I wish she had spoken up about it, it'd have been fun to watch you guys turn yourselves inside out in rage at her for spilling the beans.

By your logic the witness is as guilty of the crime as the perp. Good luck making THAT sale.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Racist .

Posted by: borntoraisehogs | May 22, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

the bikes are beginning to show for "Rolling thunder" Vroom, vroom.

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heh heh heh

those troop-supportin' redneck jokers

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Democrats are impaled by their own logic.

Nasty Nancy, the Botox Beauty. is on the horns of a dilemma. She tried too hard to criminalize policy issues. Now it turns out she knew as much as all the 'guilty Republicans.' How desperate is she now?

By the way, Barack and Holder now reserve the right to employ any of the Enhanced Interrogation Techniques. How ironic is that?

Send in the clowns!!!

Posted by: sagereader | May 22, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

It's the democRAT base that jacks the price of healthcare up, doesn't have insurance, doesn't want to pay for it,

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heh heh heh

Medicare: 1% overhead

Private insurance: 25% overhead

"Socialized medicine": half the price of American medicine, and every bit as good

Yeah a "nurse" like you has an instinctual grasp of the medical dimension of public policy, right?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Understand that the Speaker is on her way to China for rest and recuperation. Also, understand that Joe Biden is on an overseas trip as well! Guess that is one way the President can keep them out of his hair, and off the tube!!

Posted by: wheeljc | May 22, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Rubes just don't get it. Her heart is pure, you may not agree with her but she looks out for the best interests of the weak and ill while rubes only look out for the rich and corrupt. You can't tar her. Rubes have plenty of tar left from 2006 and 2008. They are still trying to get it off of themselves and are now looking for payback. No matter, it didn't stick to Clinton and it won't stick to Pelosi...troll on rubes.

Posted by: Frigistan | May 22, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Is Jake the Joke still pretending to have graduated top of his class at Stanford Law?

Or has his fantasy life moved on?

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he also claims to have a wife!

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Is Jake the Joke still pretending to have graduated top of his class at Stanford Law?

Or has his fantasy life moved on?

Posted by: pali2600 | May 22, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

She might have gone on to say our entire country was misled by the Bush administration with regard to Iraq and WMD's and everything else about the war including to the UN so what would you expect with regard to the CIA who answers to the President and gets to have secret programs within our country that no one gets to know about. Can we assume they always have the right person in their sights and that without accountability they won't go off on their own witchhunts which could perhaps be anyone.

Posted by: cgillard | May 22, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

the bikes are beginning to show for "Rolling thunder" Vroom, vroom.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | May 22, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Everyone else:

Have an enjoyable Memorial Day weekend!

Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

So Ginrich and his cast of neocon idiots DEMAND AN INVESIGATION INTO WHAT? This tells everyone exactly what these republican retards have on there plate. What exactly do these idiots do everyday anyway? Ivestigate Pelosi for what? On one hand they support Dick Cheney for torture, and on the other hand they scold Pelosi because they think she is lying, she know about torture going on. BFD. I've never seen a party so useless for the American taxpayers as this group of republicans. THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO then rant phoney OUTRAGE at anything Obama or the democrats do. The republican party are beyond help, and beyond disgusting to boot.

Posted by: kubrickstan | May 22, 2009 5:29 PM


First of all lib, they only ones complaining about torturing terrorists were, of course, libs. Yet when it was exposed that Pelosi knew about it, yet did nothig about it, it made her "just" as guilty. But of course, the dems circles the wagon, and now just want to move along. You libs can dish it out, but can't take it!!!

Posted by: cschotta1 | May 22, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I am waiting JakeD or is it too hard to refute the truth.

Posted by: jameschirico | May 22, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

OMG! I can't wait to hear what "scrivener50" has to say about Obama's new "5th category" of detainees who cannot be tried and cannot be released. This should be good.

Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

THE NEXUS BETWEEN HUGE BUDGETS FOR DIRECTED ENERGY (MICROWAVE RADIATION) WEAPONS AND EXTRAJUDICIAL PUNISHMENT AND CONTROL IN THE AMERICAN 'SECURITY STATE'


The huge proposed increases in funding for the proliferation of silent, deadly, microwave radiation "directed energy weapons" -- armaments which facilitate the silent, "slow-kill" extermination of unjustly "targeted individuals" -- is perhaps the most palpable example of the Obama administration's naivete, its failure to get a handle on what's really happening in America 2009 -- a silent coup that already has decimated democracy and human rights in this nation.

The apparent weaponization of the telecommunications system as a means to deliver "directed energy attacks" means that external forces can control an individual's mood and thought processes, and can be employed to administer torture. Who among us can say that these evil devices are not being used to subvert the political process, to achieve the ideological goals of totalitarians within the security/military/intel complex?

Is "directed energy" technology being used to manipulate the moods, and influence the thought processes, of Barack Obama and other political leaders? I know what these weapons are capable of doing -- from inducing fatigue and weakness, altering moods, to causing cognitive impairment, even sudden ailments like strokes, heart attacks and aneurysms.

Only naive fools would think the evil cabal that is advancing this weaponry hasn't already experimented in such a socio-political "context."

Perhaps the cabal euphemistically calls it "Enhanced Persuasion Techniques."


-- From comments section, "Domestic Torture Via Radiation Weaponry: America's Horrific Shame"

http://nowpublic.com/world/domestic-torture-radiation-weaponry-americas-horrific-shame

OR (if link is corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener


Posted by: scrivener50 | May 22, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

cschotta1:

What a wonderful world it would be!

Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Maybe you should tell Obama the US needs to rid the healthcare system of trial lawyers and also the US should stop paying for the healthcare for illegals and the "entitlement" crowd? Good luck!!

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(yawn) trial lawyers, poor gooper troll can't even come up with his own lines.

I would happily pay for the healthcare of illegals, don't mind a bit, I could afford to pay a lot more taxes .. after all, I manage to salt away $2500 a month since I carry zero debt.

No mortgage, no car payment, no credit card debt. And a responsible citizen.

Illegals make up at most 4% of the population, they're not bankrupting us. It's you red-state idiots with your beer bellies and your cheeseburger and Cheetohs diets who incur all the health care costs, since you guys work part-time jobs with no benefits and aren't able to manage your own worthless lives.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 5:30 PM
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Some cheese to go with your WHINE?
Silly lib, being an ICU nurse at a Trauma 1 hospital, I know alot more about healthcare than a miserable POS liberal like yourself. It's the democRAT base that jacks the price of healthcare up, doesn't have insurance, doesn't want to pay for it, yet always has enough money for drugs, guns and shiny wheels that spin-and looks really cool with "CHANGE" bumper stick. LOL!! Reality sux, eh lib?
"Imagine no liberals, what a wonderful world it would be!"

Posted by: cschotta1 | May 22, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I for one am sick of the Americans that fear putting terrorists in jail on our soil. What kind of wuss arrests someone and is then afraid to jail them in your own county? On 9/12/01 a million NYers rode the subway to work, whereas when the stock market opened fear overtook common sense for the American investor lowering performing companies stock price. A draft dodging punk along with a drung that got grounded not doing his duty are the ones saying we have to torture. At least Dubya has the sense to be low key and not pardon treason (Libby) in the Plame outing.

Posted by: jameschirico | May 22, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else?

Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

And oh, Jakey, I could coast for five years without a penny of income.

If your disability check didn't show up you'd be on the street in a welk

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I think the Libs, including Barry O. chrissuxit and drivl are having a very hard day. First Peloony gets caught lying and is so bad at it, even the NYtimes figures it out.

Next Obambi tries to one-up Cheney on national security and comes off looking like a spluttering ACLU lawyer. The Dem Senate has rejected Obamabi's fluff and fold approach.

Reid is down to 30 % at home. biden is quite unsure what year it is.

California rejected tax increase - basically repudiating all things liberal. and they were the lib test case. A major failure, of course.

VA has the R governor ahead by a mile. dodd is history in conn.

and that pesky Iran is not succombing to Barry's charm and is launching missiles instead. what we need is another grand teleprompter speech in front of a bunch of foreigners. Maybe barry can apologize to Amajornutjob. Is there anyone left he has not offered to surrender to?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | May 22, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Wanna bet that chrisfox8's new employer would be horrified if they knew the content of his posts / personal life?

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"employer" is singular

"they" is plural

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Wanna bet that chrisfox8's new employer would be horrified if they knew the content of his posts / personal life?

Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Maybe you should tell Obama the US needs to rid the healthcare system of trial lawyers and also the US should stop paying for the healthcare for illegals and the "entitlement" crowd? Good luck!!

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(yawn) trial lawyers, poor gooper troll can't even come up with his own lines.

I would happily pay for the healthcare of illegals, don't mind a bit, I could afford to pay a lot more taxes .. after all, I manage to salt away $2500 a month since I carry zero debt.

No mortgage, no car payment, no credit card debt. And a responsible citizen.

Illegals make up at most 4% of the population, they're not bankrupting us. It's you red-state idiots with your beer bellies and your cheeseburger and Cheetohs diets who incur all the health care costs, since you guys work part-time jobs with no benefits and aren't able to manage your own worthless lives.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

So Ginrich and his cast of neocon idiots DEMAND AN INVESIGATION INTO WHAT? This tells everyone exactly what these republican retards have on there plate. What exactly do these idiots do everyday anyway? Ivestigate Pelosi for what? On one hand they support Dick Cheney for torture, and on the other hand they scold Pelosi because they think she is lying, she know about torture going on. BFD. I've never seen a party so useless for the American taxpayers as this group of republicans. THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO then rant phoney OUTRAGE at anything Obama or the democrats do. The republican party are beyond help, and beyond disgusting to boot.

Posted by: kubrickstan | May 22, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

All the Republicans know how to do is destroy; laws, nations, reputations - even their own party. They are truly the party of evil.

Posted by: treetopflyer | May 22, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

"Punching walls" = 90 Senators voting AGAINST funds to transfer terrorists to U.S. and close GTMO prison. LOL!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

You'll have to forgive "chrisfox8" as he3 just recently found a job.

Posted by: JakeD

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No problem for me to find a job, I have mad skillz, I'm good at marketing myself, and even in this economy I can get work.

You on the other hand sit at home collecting psychiatric disability and bothering people online, too ineffectual and impotent to do anything else.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

What's next lib, you want someone to also pay your mortgage, auto loan too? Welcome to reality you wuss!

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I paid off my mortgage already and I pay for my cars when I buy them. I don't enjoy paying interest.

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Maybe you should tell Obama the US needs to rid the healthcare system of trial lawyers and also the US should stop paying for the healthcare for illegals and the "entitlement" crowd? Good luck!!

Posted by: cschotta1 | May 22, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I think Nancy Pelosi is telling the truth and that the CIA lied to her when briefing her back in 2002. I think this because Panetta didn't come right out and say "The CIA did not lie to Pelosi," he just said, "It is not our policy to mislead Congress." It may not be policy, but it happens all the time. And the Republicans KNOW Pelosi can't produce proof because the meetings were classified and she couldn't take notes. The CIA could take notes, of course, but it's been proven that their notes are completely unreliable. There are Republicans who have accused the CIA of lying to Congress, and the media is constantly pointing this out, and the Republicans continue to harass Pelosi anyway. They're a bunch of gummed up (because I can't use a more appropriate term) hypocrites. But hey - who cares that the CIA has lied to Congress before? Who cares that leading Republicans have said so in the past and it's all on tape to be played repeatedly over the airwaves. Who cares that the whole attack on Pelosi is to distract the public from the fact that it was the Republican president and the Republican vice president and the Republican secretary of defense who authorized these outrageously illegal behaviors in the first place. Who cares? Pelosi is being hung because she's a strong leader and the Republicans want her out of the speakership so they can try to run over whoever might get elected in her place.

Posted by: Kaelinda1 | May 22, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

drndl:

"this is to funny... the GOP is going after Nancy becuz she MAY have known about what the administration was doing?"

Exactly. It's so funny watching these poor ignorant clods get so worked up over something completely incoherent.

Only in Teabagistan.

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What's incoherent is knowing about waterboarding in 2002 but not objecting to it until it becomes politically expedient to call it torture.

What's not incoherent is believing Khalid Sheikh Mohammed deserved a heck of a lot worse.

Posted by: Peejay | May 22, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

You guys can scream all you want but America is going to grow up and have universal health care. The insurance companies and HMOs will have to find some other way to enrich their shareholders. Having 45 million people with no recourse but the emergency room is scandalous.

It's called the Welfare State, and it comes from that "wuss" Bismark.

Swallow it and choke. You guys had your shot and you screwed up everything, now you are out of power and limited to punching walls.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

cschotta1:

You'll have to forgive "chrisfox8" as he3 just recently found a job.

Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

poor chrissuxit. wandered off the lib petting zoo and found reality not so inviting. I wonder how long it will take Obimbo? Even the fools in the Dem Senate won't go along with releasing gitmo Terrorists. It seems the community organizer is on his own. He has blamed it on fear mongering. you remember that one dontcha. We were in the worst depression in human history when he last tried to fool us into stupidity and Lib policies. Now there is absolutely no reason to fear.

And BTW, if you disagree, you're a racist. I guess we're all racists now.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | May 22, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi was a terrible speaker that endangered Americans by her Armenian resolution, cutting the military and tabling the Cheney investigation. She did not pass a budget in 06 and did little to check a lawbreaking executive. At least she has Obama's team leading her by the hand in writing bills which has been done at light speed in comparison to her ideas without support. Dubya's executive did a horrible job in protecting us. Torture may have stopped plots that may or not have matured, but assuredly extra 100's of thousands support the terrorists due to torture and our Iraq invasion which has weakened our military to the breaking point. Giving away a secret agent that is an expert in Iranian nuclear production Valerie Plame is treason. Not listening to our foremost military experts in Shinseki, Powell and Fallon caused their resignations. Bubba cut the military to not have an Afghanistan invasion option and he kept us just as safe as the torture loving Dubya administration. Our men were sent to fight without the proper equipment and this knuckleheaded administration said fight with the army you're given. Obama deferred to Gates to order equipment needed to properly outfit our heros in uniform. Tommy Franks said he needed 400,000 men to pacify Iraq, he was given 130,000 and Condi's plan to replace his own and it failed miserably.

Memo to JakeD: Give your neighbors a break and move to Alaska since you appear to rile most that read or hear you.

Posted by: jameschirico | May 22, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

What's next lib, you want someone to also pay your mortgage, auto loan too? Welcome to reality you wuss!

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I paid off my mortgage already and I pay for my cars when I buy them. I don't enjoy paying interest.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Second, if you want healthcare, pay for it yourself, have a smart diet and exercise regularly (it's called being "responsible").

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You're a cretin.

I exercise every day, I eat the healthiest diet in the world, I still get sick sometimes.

You're a damned idiot.

Posted by: chrisfox8
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What's next lib, you want someone to also pay your mortgage, auto loan too? Welcome to reality you wuss!

Posted by: cschotta1 | May 22, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Second, if you want healthcare, pay for it yourself, have a smart diet and exercise regularly (it's called being "responsible").

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You're a cretin.

I exercise every day, I eat the healthiest diet in the world, I still get sick sometimes.

You're a damned idiot.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else?

Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Teachers out here in California are already paid TOO much.

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Yeah heaven forbid our educators should be able to do their jobs. And what could a right-wing troll possibly know about education? You aren't educated and you don't want citizens educated.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I would like to hear/read the Republicans solution for creating jobs in America and universal health care and leaving the Middle East and moving to clean energy and fuel efficient vehicles that don't use diesel. I would like to hear the Republicans strategy for tripling teacher salaries and medical benefits.

Posted by: blakesouthwood | May 22, 2009 5:00 PM
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Dear lib, create jobs my reducing business taxes, especially on small businesses. Second, if you want healthcare, pay for it yourself, have a smart diet and exercise regularly (it's called being "responsible"). If we should leave the Middle East, then we should also leave (Germany, South Korea, Kosovo)-just to name a few. Clean energy, will your liberal idea of ethanol turned out to be a total failure, but also is a failure is your idea that global warming is somehow caused by the automobile. And why should we be "tripling" the salary for teachers when their results are so poor. Honestly, you've got to be one of the dumbest posters on here, but over at the Huffington Post, you are a dime a dozen. Obama should be blessed that he has such a "useful idiot" as yourself.

Posted by: cschotta1 | May 22, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

KOZ:

Did you see the article about Biden not being 100% certain GTMO will be closed within the year?

Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

And to think, Joe Biden is the one with experience, the smart one in the party.

considering we are comparting him to Peloony, Reid, Obimbo, Wrangle, Schumer, Dodd, Frank.

Barnam and Baily, call your office. There's been an escape.

But the American way is for idiots to be represented too. chrissux and drivl must be proud of Nan. she is their kind of people. all emotional, insulting, lying, power hungry and kooky. typical lib, in other words.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | May 22, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I think this site must have been linked to by IncoherentRighwingRant.com

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

blakesouthwood:

Teachers out here in California are already paid TOO much.

Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I would like to hear/read the Republicans solution for creating jobs in America and universal health care and leaving the Middle East and moving to clean energy and fuel efficient vehicles that don't use diesel. I would like to hear the Republicans strategy for tripling teacher salaries and medical benefits.

Posted by: blakesouthwood | May 22, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

For the record, "chrisfox8" has posted far more on this very thread than I (with "no life to speak of") have.

Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

No different than Democrats who demonized Gov. Palin for what she wore.

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True to form you never get a fact straight.

It wasn't what she wore, it was what she spent, $150K while Americans are losing their jobs left and right.

Nobody needed to demonize her, she did a fine job all by herself.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

For the record, Jose Padilla was NOT "innocent"

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says a stupid GOP troll with way too much free time on his hands and no life to speak of

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 4:55 PM
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So I assume Chris that you do have a life, following the great Messiah as he spends his way to destruction?

Posted by: cschotta1 | May 22, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

So said the JURY. Anyone else?

Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Too bad that even BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA JR. disagrees with you hard-left libs

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And here we have the essence of Jake the Prolific Troll: Obama's middle name, more BS about his birth certificate.

Have a nice life, if you can call it that with a straight face

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

For the record, Jose Padilla was NOT "innocent"

==

says a stupid GOP troll with way too much free time on his hands and no life to speak of

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Too bad that even BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA JR. disagrees with you hard-left libs, at least as to this new "5th category" of terrorists who cannot be tried and cannot be released. What are you and the ACLU do about that, huh?

Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey DAStubbs-you need to get out more, or stop hanging around radicals. The choice is yours!!!

Posted by: cschotta1 | May 22, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

No one I know - not my family, friends, nor casual acquaintances care a whit about this story.

DAStubbs,
Minneapolis

Posted by: dastubbs | May 22, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

For the record, Jose Padilla was NOT "innocent" and, in fact, was convicted and sentenced to 17 1/2 years (despite the best efforts of the ACLU and Cato Institute).

Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

the ACLU is actively seeking to release terrorists

Posted by Jake the Joke

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You are a silly fool if you believe this crap

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi's plastic surgeon should be sued. First of all he made her look like the Joker, and second, his scapel must have damaged her brain and made her a compulsive liar!

Posted by: cschotta1 | May 22, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey, neoNazis: try turning that tar brush around. You've been using it for so long, asphalting yourselves into a well-deserved "timeout" in the corner, you can't reason which end is the handle and which has the bristles. It can be hoped you aren't horse owners, since this lack of tactile discrimation might be, er, hazardous to your fashion statement.

Posted by: MouthSore | May 22, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"the ACLU is actively seeking to release terrorists "

what a load of steaming rightwing bullcrap. No one is 'seeking to release terrorists.

They are seeking to release innocent men and women who have never been charged with anything, there is no evidence against them and they've been imprisoned and tortured for 7 years.

What do you people not understand about liberty and justice?

You mouthe the words but you do't know what they mean.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Ironcomments:

No different than Democrats who demonized Gov. Palin for what she wore.

Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse


"The Pelosi fiasco provides daily enjoyment, just like a Chinese finger trap."

This tells us more about the poster than we want to know. An intellect so vast he spends time daily playing with his fingers. That's the R base, all right.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

As those like "drindl" and "chrisfox8" know, escape from any SuperMax prison is not the real issue -- which is why they keep harping on that strawman argument -- the ACLU is actively seeking to release terrorists and there is no doubt these terrorists could still be a danger once they get into U.S. prisons, just like the outside operations of several prison gangs, such as the Mexican Mafia, Nuestra Familia, the Black Guerrilla Family, the Aryan Brotherhood, and the Nazi Lowriders have all been directed via secret communications from within Pelican Bay's SHU "SuperMax" facility:

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n707/a04.html

Posted by: JakeD | May 22, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

What is the deal with republicans wanting to demonize high profile female politicians whenever they don't control the executive branch. This seems alot like the 90's when the right wing just kept going after Hillary Clinton that was all Limbaugh et al. ever talked about. Another example is seeing how hard it has been for the Obama administration to get their female nominees comfirmed in key positions. Has anyone else noticed this pattern?

Posted by: Ironcomments | May 22, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

VBHOOMES:

A mind is a terrible thing to waste. It appears from actual observation that most people don't agree with this. Yeah! What is clear though is that you have wasted your particular mind. I also note that your mind is open to further abuse by whomever you will bump into next.

Posted by: walden1 | May 22, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The CIA is morally corrupt, ethically bankrupt and pathologically dishonest, but what can you expect from a bunch of spies?

The real issue isn't what Speaker Pelosi knew and when she knew it, it's that CIA has tortured people. I doubt the CIA was in any mood to tell anyone honestly about those activities. This happened during the BUSH-CHENEY Death-To-Civil-Liberties Era, not yesterday.

Posted by: Roofelstoon | May 22, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

The GOP hasn't "tarred" Pelosi. She's besmirched by her own stupid and/or greedy and/or morally obtuse self. Why do you D.C. doofuses seem to think all bums belong to one party or the other? Do you really honest to gawd not see almost ALL of them in BOTH parties are bums? Or do they pay you?

Posted by: mftill | May 22, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for making my point. Bush & Cheney were in power for 8 years and you could not think of one thing they did that was okay, even from a liberal viewpoint.

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Still waiting for an answer on what good they have done that we won't acknowledge. I'm not being "difficult" when I say I honestly don't know of anything.

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"Maybe some of you should read the Weekly Standard and Wall Street Journal."

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Now why would anyone want to read that crap? The Wall Street Urinal? I'd rather read the ingredients on a tube of toothpaste.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

The Pelosi fiasco provides daily enjoyment, just like a Chinese finger trap.

The more Pelosi opens her Botox lips, the more she is trapped by her insane attempt to get Bush.

Nancy, you are TRAPPED. Down you go baby!
================================

Pelosi is not trying to get Bush..

Bush committed the crimes and you are whining, twisting, peeing in your pants.

So how long have you been looking at you Finger caught in the Chinese Finger Trap..

Fei Hu

Posted by: Fei_Hu | May 22, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Speakers of the House are always more vulnerable than President.

A Speaker is supposed to have national appeal, but is not nationally elected.

She was elected by a fraction of the people living her district, and then by other house members. Hardly a national mandate.

Speakers have to tread carefully, very carefully. They are better off laying low.

Posted by: camasca | May 22, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for making my point. Bush & Cheney were in power for 8 years and you could not think of one thing they did that was okay, even from a liberal viewpoint. Some of liberal bloggers(not all, their are some thoughtfull with good arguements) hurt your own cause by throwing out the silly name calling and ranting about Republicans evil. I read the Nation and Mother Jones to challenge my own view of the world. Maybe some of you should read the Weekly Standard and Wall Street Journal. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Posted by: vbhoomes | May 22, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Hed Zup: is there anyone here who doesn't automatically PgUp past any zing_of_kouk post?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, now they're so nuts over the top they're a parody of themselves.They were always crazy, but they just keep getting more laughable about it.

The pictures I saw of the tea bag rallies looked like a field trip for mentally disabled adults, which about sums it up.

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Heh heh heh those pictures were a riot. The signs festooned with swastikas, half of them hiacking the rallies to make irrelevant statements about abortion and other flypaper-for-kooks BS.

Then there were the uh people themselves .. the "mean pinch-faced churchgoing" types, the toupees, the chicklet-teeth grimaces, the slack jaws.

Any one of those pictures could have been subtitled "why nobody wants to date Republicans"

Funniest of all that they were protesting tax increases, when their own taxes have gone down under Obama. So they were there protesting that some rich people got their taxes raised.

Uh, yeah, way to look after your self-interest, guys.

And yet they're right up front saying "no gummint bureaucrat knows what's good for me like I do."

(*guffaw*)

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

What is the deal with republicans wanting to demonize high profile female politicians whenever they don't control the executive branch. This seems alot like the 90's when the right wing just kept going after Hillary Clinton that was all Limbaugh et al. ever talked about. Another example is seeing how hard it has been for the Obama administration to get their female nominees comfirmed in key positions. Has anyone else noticed this pattern?

Posted by: Ironcomments | May 22, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Talk about terror: This pathetic mendacious freak with the IQ of a doorknob is two heartbeats from being the most powerful person in the universe.

If that thought does not absolutely terrify you, speed dial your shrink.

Posted by: zjr78xva | May 22, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

a field trip for mentally disabled adults, which about sums it up.

Posted by: drindl


finally some observations that ring true. Drivl has some world experience to share.

shame about that writing job. It would help if one knew how to write and not simply cut and paste from Hate.com

Posted by: king_of_zouk | May 22, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I would never have believed that there existed a more pitiful, pea-breined creature on this earth than Nancy Peloony. then two strong contenders emerged - Drivl and chrisrox.

Much like Obimbo, they reside here all day calling Repubs out for calling names. Strange indeed Hmmmm. Meanwhile Obambi tells us to look forward and then goes on for days about looking back. Same Lib approach. Nothing of substance to offer so stick with the insults. And hence the Peloony/Reid/Obimbo leadership vacuum.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | May 22, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi does not need Republicans to tar her, she soiled herself a long time ago and the smell still lingers around.

Posted by: jmk55 | May 22, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

!I knew the goobers wouldn't like being out of power, I knew they would be enraged, but I didn't expect them to go totally spla like they have."

Yeah, now they're so nuts over the top they're a parody of themselves.They were always crazy, but they just keep getting more laughable about it.

The pictures I saw of the tea bag rallies looked like a field trip for mentally disabled adults, which about sums it up.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Frim Glenn Greenwalk to you:


We’ve been doing that for two decades. What are all the bad and scary things that have happened as a result? The answer is: “nothing.”

Take note, Chris Cillizza and friends: while it’s true that “not a single prisoner has escaped from Gitmo since it was created,” it’s also true that no Muslim Terrorists have escaped from American prisons and our SuperMax prison “has had no escapes or serious attempts to escape.” Actually, the only person to even make an escape attempt from a SuperMax is Green Arrow, who hasn’t succeeded despite the help of Joker and Lex Luthor.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The goober trolls don't know or care if they're incoherent.

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Mostly they come here (sent?) to derail discussion. One of them (JakeD, who typically matches all other posters combined in any thread he posts in) is upfront that he posts to keep the discussion off-topic.

I knew the goobers wouldn't like being out of power, I knew they would be enraged, but I didn't expect them to go totally spla like they have.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

pgr88: "Yes, Cheney is HONEST because he supported waterboarding 3 terrorists then, and he hasn't changed his story now.
Pelosi on the other hand - what does she believe?"

So evil is preferable to ambiguity?

Now that's a Republican principle in the making.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Now is it possible that some of the liberal bloggers could say something nice about Bush or Cheney.

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What good is there to say about them?

I don't mind giving credit where due, I've praised Wal*Mart for their green initiative and for their improving labor practices.

But I don't know of anything Bush or Cheney have done that deserves praise. Sorry, but not on god damned thing.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"Waterboard Pelosi".

Sick, sick puppies... can't go 5 minutes without thinking about torturing someone. What do you suppose so horrible happened to republicans as children taht damaged their brains so much?

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

The goober trolls don't know or care if they're incoherent. That's why they're republcians.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

THE FALSE CHOICE BETWEEN LIBERTY AND SECURITY?

OR JUST A BIG WASTE OF MANPOWER AND RESOURCES?


On the eve of a national holiday, when others are making an early break for the exits, the dedicated paid trolls assigned to WaPo's "The Fix" and "44" blogs man their cubicles, their fingers tapping away on their keyboards, their little minds straining for the next faux-clever twist of phrase, as their fellow soldiers in the psyche wars execute their warrantless surveillance/harassment protocols... all under the transparently bankrupt guise of "keeping America safe."

Will Team Obama get a clue?


http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-fusion-center-spying-pretext-harass-and-censor

OR (if link is corrupted or otherwise terrorized):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | May 22, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Saw two great bumper stickers this week. First, " I Don't Believe Pelosi!" Second,
"Waterboard Pelosi". Where can you get these?

Posted by: Jimbo77 | May 22, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

To President Obama and the dems credit, the Bill just signed by Obama on Credit Card Reform was long overdue. They were not practicing capitalism but Fraud & Theft. It had republican support but we should have done it on our watch. Now is it possible that some of the liberal bloggers could say something nice about Bush or Cheney. Not a chance, you guys are so filled with hate you are unable to have a rational thought.

Posted by: vbhoomes | May 22, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Poor Nancy. by the looks of this photo, it is time for another human sacrifice to maintain that youthful glow. Shame about what it does to the brain in the process. Drivl, got any spare orphans in your basement?

Posted by: king_of_zouk | May 22, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Cheney is HONEST because he supported waterboarding 3 terrorists then, and he hasn't changed his story now.

Posted by: pgr88

==

When Bush told the world "we don't torture" Cheney failed to step to the microphone and say "sorry Georgie boy but that happens to not be the case"

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Cheney is HONEST because he supported waterboarding 3 terrorists then, and he hasn't changed his story now.

Pelosi on the other hand - what does she believe? No one knows for sure. That's why this is an issue. The media always like seeing people get caught in lies and then try and wriggle out of it.

Posted by: pgr88 | May 22, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Do you gooper trolls have ANY idea how ridiculous your pet "liberal fascist" phrase is? It makes about as much sense as "dry water"

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't take a Republican to spot Pelosi's bold lie ...

Posted by: clandestinetomcat

==

What lie?

Pelosi's claim that waterboarding was not mentioned in her briefing has been corroborated.

The demand for "proof" comes from people who ought to know that she was not allowed to even take notes during the meeting, much less was she provided with printed documentation that could serve as proof.

As always, it's the Republicans who are lying.

And as always the gooper trolls here just eat it up, like maggots in a mouse carcass. But the maggots are prettier.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

What is the deal with republicans wanting to demonize high profile female politicians whenever they don't control the executive branch. This seems alot like the 90's when the right wing just kept going after Hillary Clinton that was all Limbaugh et al. ever talked about. Another example is seeing how hard it has been for the Obama administration to get their female nominees comfirmed in key positions. Has anyone else noticed this pattern?

Posted by: Ironcomments | May 22, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"Drindl,Liz Cheney could make mincemeat out of your girlfriend,Nancy. I saw her really get the best of Norah O'Donnel on MSNBC. Norah forgot she was suppose to be an objective jounalist and was purple with rage. Liz, like her old man, never lost her cool and just kept hammering her with facts. Norah acted like a woman in the middle of a very heavy period. No logic, just emotion. Kinda like you."

What "Facts" was Liz Cheney using?

Also, what makes the daughter of the Vice President qualified to speak on anything, exactly?

Where did that Liberal Fascist guy go?

Posted by: VTDuffman | May 22, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Excuse the incivility Chris but you are a pandering nerdy non-entity. You keep the slime alive. Pelosi is not Tom Delay or Abramhoff or Newt. Republicans would like to bring everything down to their level of discourse, following Rove: take the strong points and attack by lying or creating enough flack that the s will stick in the public's mind.

You are a terrible, terrible midwife to this crap! So is Kurtz. Whatever it is, it is not objectivity. It is not thinking. It is terrible reporting. Sorry, if that's your job but I would rather clean sewers than do what you do.

Posted by: walden1 | May 22, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Norah forgot she was suppose to be an objective jounalist and was purple with rage. Liz, like her old man, never lost her cool and just kept hammering her with facts.

==

No, not facts, just the usual string of lies.

What you describe isn't "keeping her cool," it's just typical infantile passive-aggression.

The Cheneys are liars. The Bushes are liars. Pretty much everyone remaining in the GOP, local trolls included, are liars. Those unable to utter the qualifying lies with a straight face are being purged from the party.

The biggest lie of all is that "Bush kept us safe" BS, pretending to draw some cosmic inference from the absence of a second attack (all the while hoping for one now that the GOP got ejected from power).

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Face-lifts can take an empty-headed politician, even Nancy Pelosi, only so far.

Posted by: Jerzy | May 22, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Drindl,Liz Cheney could make mincemeat out of your girlfriend,Nancy. I saw her really get the best of Norah O'Donnel on MSNBC. Norah forgot she was suppose to be an objective jounalist and was purple with rage. Liz, like her old man, never lost her cool and just kept hammering her with facts. Norah acted like a woman in the middle of a very heavy period. No logic, just emotion. Kinda like you.

Posted by: vbhoomes | May 22, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"Obama has now reserved the right to use any of interrogation techniques. He and Eric Holder now acknowledge the use on Navy SEALS for training, without it being illegal."

You know they do that to SEALs to train them on how to withstand...torture, right?

Posted by: VTDuffman | May 22, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't take a Republican to spot Pelosi's bold lie - especially at the expense of those who protect us with little reward and recognition.

Shame on Pelosi.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | May 22, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

the old guard of the cia has aligned with the right on this one. fact is, the cia lied, has destroyed lives, and the political strategy of attacking pelosi to direct attention elsewhere is shameful.

Posted by: e9999999 | May 22, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

A pox on both Queen Nancy and Crybaby Boehner. Strident partisan personal attacks from either side are unacceptable. Why do they spend so much energy in demonizing each other? Something is wrong with our political process. What happened to that group of moderates who routinely cross party lines to vote their conscience?

Until the leadership of both parties change, I am a strong advocate of term limits. With exception of the judiciary, no one should serve more than 12 years in the House or the Senate.

Posted by: alance | May 22, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"Speaker Pelosi stammered and filibustered around the elephant in the room..." said Spain.

Spain is right. That elephant is the GOP symbol, and the scandal is really about criminality and ineptitude under GOP leadership.

Posted by: merelymyopinion | May 22, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"Nancy is characterizing the water boarding as an illegal act.

She knew about it and if it is illegal she indicts herself.

Obama has now reserved the right to use any of interrogation techniques. He and Eric Holder now acknowledge the use on Navy SEALS for training, without it being illegal.

Seems simple to me -- it is not torture and you guys just have a red herring."

YOU are simple. And everyone, including the Navy, knows it is torture. It is used on Seals to prepare them if they are captured and TORTURED, moron.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

What is the deal with republicans wanting to demonize high profile female politicians whenever they don't control the executive branch. This seems alot like the 90's when the right wing just kept going after Hillary Clinton that was all Limbaugh et al. ever talked about. Another example is seeing how hard it has been for the Obama administration to get their female nominees comfirmed in key positions. Has anyone else noticed this pattern?

Posted by: Ironcomments | May 22, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

The Daily Wingnut Frothing is really a pleasure to watch. These impotent little weenies taking potshots at a big bad woman. Watch out Nancy, the wusses are after you...

She'll kick your butts, ladies.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

drindl

Nancy is characterizing the water boarding as an illegal act.

She knew about it and if it is illegal she indicts herself.

Obama has now reserved the right to use any of interrogation techniques. He and Eric Holder now acknowledge the use on Navy SEALS for training, without it being illegal.

Seems simple to me -- it is not torture and you guys just have a red herring.

Posted by: sagereader | May 22, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

The repubican party of rush limbaugh and dick cheney are nothing but garbage. Hateful, traitorous scum. They think that because they wear a flag lapel pin they are better than others, when in fact, their morals are in the sewer. Unpatriotic, disgusting filth.

Posted by: swatkins1 | May 22, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

She knew but didn't know because she was lied to...maybe, but not for sure...but let's all fiddle and dance a little! Our whole gov't, first under the GOP and now under the DEMS, is like Nero fidding while Rome burned to the ground. The gov't is borrowing 1/2 of every red cent it spends. We're running $1.5 Trillion deficits. Our unemployment rate will reach 10 percent by the end of this year. We are overextended militarily with no way to get out of the current situation. We can no longer afford Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security--much less public or private retirement plans--without massive tax increases or infusions of cash. We cannot even begin to afford to deal with the massive problems we have as nation, not as DEMS or Republicans, but as Americans. Yet, our gov't dithers and sputters and fiddles as we descend to Third World status. And all people can worry about is whether Pelosi knew, and when, and whether the CIA lied? The CIA lied to Pres. Bush about WMD. The CIA and other gov't agencies frequently deceive as do many, many entities in the private sector. Who really cares? Our gov't and our nation faces massive problems and we continue to focus on the trivial. Go figure.

Posted by: oldtownwest | May 22, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Cheney is HONEST because he supported waterboarding 3 terrorists then, and he hasn't changed his story now.

Pelosi on the other hand - what does she believe? No one knows for sure. That's why this is an issue. The media always like seeing people get caught in lies and then try and wriggle out of it.

Posted by: pgr88 | May 22, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Well the statement that the GOPers are looking for someone, anyone, to define the Dems in a negative way has become a cliche. One TV commentator said the GOP was playing "pin the tail on the donkey."

First, it was Obama. He's taking on too much; he's not doing enough. Then it was Michelle's bare arms (while Miss Cal USA's professed piety covers up her bare chest).

Now Pelosi. And always, Barney Frank a go to negative, while taking a breath and looking for someone else on which to practice the GOP's standard politics of ignorance, fear, cynical, hypocritical Bible Belt rhetoric, and character assassination.

Posted by: bfieldk | May 22, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

The Pelosi fiasco provides daily enjoyment, just like a Chinese finger trap.

The more Pelosi opens her Botox lips, the more she is trapped by her insane attempt to get Bush.

Nancy, you are TRAPPED. Down you go baby!

Posted by: sagereader | May 22, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

n an interview with CNN set to air on Sunday, former Bush Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said that he disagreed with Vice President Cheney’s claim that President Obama is making the country less secure. “Yeah, I disagree with Dick Cheney,” said Ridge. He added that although he disagreed with much of what President Obama said in his speech on national security yesterday, he also took issue with Cheney’s response. “It’s just the whole notion of a Republican vice president giving a speech after the incumbent Democratic president,” he said. “It’s gotta go beyond the politics of either party.”

Efven Ridge knows it Dickspicable.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse


"this is to funny... the GOP is going after Nancy becuz she MAY have known about what the administration was doing?"

Exactly. It's so funny watching these poor ignorant clods get so worked up over something completely incoherent.

Only in Teabagistan.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi can't even tell a lie correctly with out bungling it, so what use is she as a politician. She must go.

Posted by: matrox | May 22, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

?Pelosi tars self with dispicable actions.

Pelosi lied and Mohammed cried....

Posted by: ignoranceisbliss"

the poster's name says it all

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

EKIM whatever....don't talk to me directly. You stink and you are an absolute moron

Posted by: mackiejw | May 22, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

The question is "what did she know and when did she know it"?

Posted by: Cowboy11 | May 22, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

this is to funny... the GOP is going after Nancy becuz she MAY have known about what the administration was doing?

That is like a BANK ROBBER saying i know i was wrong but thats not the point... My neighbor knew or should have known i was robbing the bank so the focus should be on her.

lol

Posted by: pleasantlyny | May 22, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

"The tenets of fascism can be found in either a liberal or conservative ideology, if those ideologies go to extremes."

Hi.

You're actually completely wrong on this, I beleive.

In the interest of clarification, could you define what you believe the terms "liberal" and "fascist" mean? Also, If you could give an example of a "Liberal Fascist" government, either current or from history, that would really help.

I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm fully up to being proven wrong (in fact I welcome it).

As a point of reference, though, I think you're confusing the term "Fascist" with "Authoritarian."

Posted by: VTDuffman | May 22, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Nancy is perosnally unlikeable. Not a bad person. Rahm would have been much better. Reid and Durbin are ineffective as well. SAD.

Posted by: crrobin | May 22, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi tars self with dispicable actions.

Pelosi lied and Mohammed cried....

Posted by: ignoranceisbliss | May 22, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Tar is not the correct word.
How about Bushwack? Nancy P may have spoken out of turn But she difinitely was not lying.
Now the Republics who have not done a thing all year are making a big case out of this episode hoping to derail Princess P.
Its not going to happen folks. And Leader Boehnor and MCConnell
and Big Newt end up looking like a bunch of " Political Opportunist"
Nancy may have spoken out of turn but she sid not lie....rember Bush's speech You know the one he gave in the State of the Union.? The one with Yellow cake from Niger and the Alluminum tubes all information furnished by the CIA You remember that? all those lies?. Did they lie to Bush and Chaney and Rice or did Bush make it up all by himself? .
They Republicans and the talking heads on the right think we are stupid and that we dont read or that we have a short memory.
All these pronunciations were proved to be not true.
What about weapons of Mass Destruction? Some one came up with all those pronunciations . Did the CIA lie then or were they being the masters of misinformation?.
Get a grip Republicans Nancy P is not going anywhere . You took your best shot...BRICK

Posted by: Carprin | May 22, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

We need a resolution to rename it the Republic Fascist Party of America.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 1:57 PM
-----------
I think a more accurate name is the Rebooblican Dumba$$ Party of the Teabagistan.

Posted by: hayden1 | May 22, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

The Neocon Republicans are fighting desperately..

They are showing their true skin to the embarrassment of Republicanism.

What Pelosi did
(republicans call it guilty of)
was give Cheney all the rope he wanted.
AND
Fool Cheney will end up hanging himself and all those complicit.

Who are the biggest Fools?
The Head Fool or the Fools that Blindly Followed him?

Slowly
Step by Step
Inch By Inch
Micro by Mirco
The Ropes will cinch..

IT will happen!

Fei Hu


Posted by: Fei_Hu | May 22, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

What is the deal with republicans wanting to demonize high profile female politicians whenever they don't control the executive branch. This seems alot like the 90's when the right wing just kept going after Hillary Clinton that was all Limbaugh et al. ever talked about. Another example is seeing how hard it has been for the Obama administration to get their female nominees comfirmed in key positions. Has anyone else noticed this pattern?

Posted by: Ironcomments | May 22, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

etpietro writes
"A Jesuit word of advice to you: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." "


I admit, I don't recall that as a Jesuit-specific bit of wisdom from may days of Jesuit schooling. Curiously, wikiquote lists the phrase as an 'English proverb'.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/English_proverbs

Perhaps more apropos is this little blurb from the first Jesuit:

"We should always be prepared so as never to err to believe that what I see as white is black, if the hierarchic Church defines it thus."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Loyola

Posted by: bsimon1 | May 22, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I'd say investigate the whole thing, the Bush-Cheney justice department and the rulings its lawyers made, the truthfulness of the CIA under Bush-Cheney along with the truthfulness of the documents they left behind, and all those who participated in actually doing the torture. If you are investigating Pelosi in connection with all that, with jail terms or disbarment for the lawyers involved, including Pelosi and what she knew is fine.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | May 22, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

When you have nothing but the same old stuff you simply make crap up! That's how the GOP works. I want to know what the hell the difference is whether Pelosi knew on Monday or Friday about Torture? It was being done even before the last bulletin telling us when it was legal, was done. She wasn't in any position to do anything about it, and apparently GONZO said it was A OK to torture even before he was AG, while he was still Bush's attorney?? The GOPERS better watch out, sometimes you may get what you wish for, and guess what sometimes it opens up other doors you don't want crossed. All this dirty stuff is leaking out and will leak out, I could care less when Pelosi knew or didn't know, the GOP own this mess, the torture, economy, illegimate war, crimes against humanity, trashing the rule of law and our Constitution and on and on. They can't disown it by pointing the finger in another direction and saying "ya but they knew too"? Sounds like my Grandkids trying to get out of trouble.

Posted by: sfilutze | May 22, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

We need a resolution to rename it the Republic Fascist Party of America.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

etpietro: your comment is made doubly foolish by the fact that republicans strategists are openly advising Rs to use the word 'fascism' because it's scarier than 'socialism.' and you morons do exactly what you're told, like little dogs.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

" Jesuit word of advice to you: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

(Not that this has been known to stop the loons from spouting their ignorant drivel anyway)."

YOU, IDIOT, ARE ONE OF THE LOONS.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I love the rightwing clowns on here. Demonizing Pelosi for something Republicans do on a regular basis. But that's typical. Their hypocisry has no bounds.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Note to the people here who are laughing at the term "liberal fascism" -- you are revealing your own ignorance.

The tenets of fascism can be found in either a liberal or conservative ideology, if those ideologies go to extremes. The fact that you don't think a liberal can be a fascist merely says to anyone with an ounce of knowledge that you simply don't know what the term means on a fundamental level....or any level for that matter.

A Jesuit word of advice to you: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

(Not that this has been known to stop the loons from spouting their ignorant drivel anyway).

As for Nancy Pelosi, she is unfit for her position and should resign as speaker. If the people of San Francisco had any sense, they would oust her in the next election....but when's the last time anyone counted on the people of San Francisco having any sense?

Posted by: etpietro | May 22, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Ahh....the discredited Right turns sanctimonious again. No one does it better.

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | May 22, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi borrowed Jesse Unruh's and Willie Brown's revised version of the leader's playbook.

The problem is, she is doing it all unto herself. Jesse Unruh and Willie Brown knew their limitations and stayed in office, as California State Speaker of the Assemby for years.

Pelosi's no limits, especially when she is caught lying to the public and tries to deflect the problems, would have been solved if she 'fessed up and asked for forgiveness, from the get-go.

The tar-pit was already out there and it was bigger than one in Hancock Park, over in Los Angeles, CA. She's the one who wore her "white dress" and got it sullied. The Republican Party may have handed her a shovel, but she continues to dig and dig and dig....

You'd think she'd learn a lesson or two from Bill Clinton. Lady, go read Gerry Spence's book, "How to Argue and Win." You might learn something.

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | May 22, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

You really ought to be kinder to the mentally challenged.

1. plagiarist-Joe's brain aneurysm has done significant, irreversible damage
2. hussein's extensive drug use has left him mentally handicapped, and now
3. pelosi's constant botox injections have turned her brain into a lying machine!

These three are so mentally impaired they are clearly unqualified for any position of responsibility.

So have a heart and treat these three like you would anybody who is incapable of functioning like a fully mentally healthy adult.

Perhaps plagiarist-joe and botox pelsoi should borrow the drug addict's teleprompter, as it's a useful crutch for those mentally incapable of expressing a coherent utterance on their own.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Here's an excuse botox hasn't (yet) tried:

"I was brainwashed by the CIA!"

Or, how about the always popular Colonel Klink defense:

"I know NOTHING.....NOTHING!"

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Q: How can you tell when botox pelosi is NOT lying?

A: Forgetaboutit - that will NEVER happen.

Posted by: LoonyLeft | May 22, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

""Liberal Fascists"????????????? Do you know the meaning of those two words? "


"McBain to base, under attack by Commie-Nazis."

Posted by: DDAWD | May 22, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Sad to see all these mouthbreathers wetting themselves about pelosi, their obssession. Do republicans become republicans because they have no life, or do they have no life because they are republicans?

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse


Ha Ha. Republicans have been obsessing over and targeting Pelosi for YEARS and she's STILL twice as popular as *any* Republican!

It's clear that the CIA has an honesty problem. Republicans like King and Hoekstra and even Gingrich (back when he had a job) have all accused the CIA of being midleading. But it's okay if you're Republican...or something retarded like that. Nobody buys it outside of their little echo chamber of idiocy and hypocrisy, though.

Whatever Pelosi is doing, she should keep doing it. It works Republicans up into a froth, proves (yet again) that they have absolutely ZERO ideas and is forcing them into the torture investigation they have been cowardly squirming away from for months.

Bring it on, dummies!

Posted by: sequoiaqueneaux | May 22, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

The person who loves this the most is Obama. He wants to bend Nancy to his will. A weak Nancy is his plum for the picking. Thank goodness she doesn't know when to shut up.

Posted by: FLvet | May 22, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"But she is only several heartbeats away from being POTUS "

If the left and the right agree on nothing else, can we at least agree to stop using this metaphor? I, for one, am sick of it.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 22, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

The facts are that Pelosi is going to be reelected as many times as she chooses to run and she has the support of the Democratic caucus. The only thing the GOP has accomplished is to ratchet up the partisan hatred that exist between the parties. Attacking Pelosi will do nothing to deminish Obama's popularity which stands at 2-1 approval vs. disapproval according to Gallup. If only the GOP would put forth as much energy to solve the nations problems as they do to trying to divide the nation we would all be better off.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | May 22, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Here goes Obama’s first major mistake; wrong decision on Gitmo. He should have pursued "due process," and allowed justice to prevail instead of near indecision on this issue.
As president, constitutional professor and a layer, Obama should know that no one is above the law, including the former uninformed President and his ominous VP. By his inaction, Obama allowed the Republican to play their favorite political game; accuse someone else for an offense they committed. It was the republican lawyers that authorized torture; it was their President, his VP, and their republican supporters, that institutionalized torture in Gitmo and other places.
If Pelosi and others witnessed and chose not object, then she and others should also share the culpability. However, who’s more to blame the men who committed the crime or those that did not report the misdeeds they watched. The perpetrators or the witnesses? To the republicans it is the latter, to the law it the former. And that’s what Obama should reverse and allow the law to dictate and the constitution to prevail. Once that’s done, and not before, you Mr. President can pardon and move on.
Do not overlook our constitution, Mr. President. The last eight years are enough.

Posted by: aattallah | May 22, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Typical tactics from "The Party of No!". Just about what you would expect from them these days. Can't wait to vote more of them out in what, about 18 months.

(It'sRepublicans I'm talking about here in case some of the slower ones out there (dittoheads, etc.) need a little help.)

Posted by: jrw1 | May 22, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who would spend more than 5 seconds thinking or talking about this "scandal" (if you can even call it that) who is not a Republican politician trying to score political points, is an absolute moron who hasn't the least bit understanding of our system of government or the informational disparity between the executive and legislative branches.

Posted by: JMC7 | May 22, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

The real story here is that the alleged "torture" didn't bother anyone because it IS NOT TORTURE. It wasn't until the '08 elections ramped up and the Democrats needed political fodder that they turned it into an issue. The fact that until the elections rolled around they were hunky-dory with the CIA interrogations is demonstrable proof that EVERYONE involved was fine with it. In fact, some Democrats thought the CIA wasn't going far enough.

Try to keep this in mind when reading today's manufactured outrage about mistreated poor innocent Al Qaeda members in order to save tens of thousands of Americans.

Posted by: zippyspeed | May 22, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"Pelosi is a lying CUN*. Between her and the fraud president..the country known as the United States no longer exists..run by a bunch of incompetent frauds."

Nice example of rightwingnut class.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | May 22, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I voted for President Obama - NOT Pelosi.

I was right both times, and each has fulfilled my expectations to date.

Pelosi and Reid are WEAK DINASAURS THAT NEED TO STAND DOWN FOR THE GOOD OF THE NATION, AND TO REMOVE DISTRACTIONS AS WE SUPPORT PRESIDENT OBAMA'S PROGRESS IN REBUILDING THE AMERICAN WAY.

Posted by: onestring | May 22, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is nothing but a lying hypocrite.

I hope the CIA goes after her with every weapon in its arsenal.

Posted by: bug45 | May 22, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I think we all must assume that many congressmen knew about torture, er, I mean "enhanced interrogation." I think we also must assume that "enhanced interrogation" had the weight of the president and vice president, the justice department, and the CIA. We also had a fully complicit congress that continued to support "supplemental budgets" funding all war operations, including "enhanced interrogation." Bush was extraordinarily skillful in stampeding congress to pass legislation supporting war operations. Democrats, like Speaker Pelosi, were easily manipulated with slogans about "National Defense." Indeed, John McCain continued the "national defense" mantra in his presidential campaign. Now several months after the landslide election of Democrat Barrack Obama, republicans, including former Vice President Cheney continue beating the war drum.

The inconvenient truth in this debate is the extraordinary costs of waging two foreign wars, spending billions of tax dollars like a drunken sailor on shore leave. Shifting spending from war over to domestic programs is very difficult. Republicans have a single-minded focus: military spending.

Military spending is fraught with inefficiency, over spending, and even corruption. As Republicans aim to pin the tail on the donkey, they completely overlook the elephant in the national zoo. The elephants are eating all of the available food, and the donkeys are starving for a carrots.

Posted by: rmorris391 | May 22, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

At least Cheney is HONEST and consistent about water-boarding.

==

I call troll

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

The only reason Pelosi's statement is an issue is that the Republicans and media (Washington Post) have hyped it.

Note that Cillizza tries to differentiate Pelosi and Gingrich, but can't be bothered to report the fact that Gingrich had 83 ethics violations filed against him and had to by $300,000 in fines.

Oh, I guess this is because Gingrich writes a column for the post.

Read the New York Times - the Post is corrupt.

Posted by: dougd1 | May 22, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

lala pelooza.........leader of the democrat socialist party.........the dollar is sinking fast under the socialist obama.....how do you libtards feel now? IDIOTS.

Posted by: charlietuna666 | May 22, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

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Feeling just fine. How about you idiots?

Posted by: Lefty_ | May 22, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I've always liked Pelosi, but the twisting and turning, outright lies, misstatements, and utter nonsense she has spewed lately makes it apparent that I have also been wrong about her. She is unfit for office, much less Speaker.

And, for the "liberals" here, Gingrich is dead on the mark. In case you have only been reading the Post and other East Coast rags lately, there was a series of referendums in California this week that show voters to be fed up and angry with government. I expect the 2010 election to be more about the public employee-big government-big business complex than about "liberal" policies. The mood of the country, especially in light of the depression we are in and the constant spinning and lies about the bad economic news by the East Coast media and Washington is going to cost Democrats dearly. The economy is broke. The Democrats ran on a platform promising quick fixes and populism. They have run out of time - it's *their* economic mess, now. ANd they are blowing it badly, very badly.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | May 22, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow...if repubes would just whine in unison, could you imagine, Newt, Rush, Boner, and Rove: "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!"

LoL

TGIF

Thanks for playing, boys!

Posted by: free-donny | May 22, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

'It's hard to believe someone as simultaneously shallow and mercilessly vindictive ever came to such a position of power.'

LOL -- from a republican! Too funny!

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I think one word says it all RepubliCONS. They are winny sore losers who want it their way or the highway. Lets forget about K Starr and all the rest of bs they caued but they can dish it out but boy they cannot take it.

Posted by: lildg54 | May 22, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

lala pelooza.........leader of the democrat socialist party.........the dollar is sinking fast under the socialist obama.....how do you libtards feel now? IDIOTS.

Posted by: charlietuna666 | May 22, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

She is "tarring" herself. It's hard to believe someone as simultaneously shallow and mercilessly vindictive ever came to such a position of power.

Posted by: zippyspeed | May 22, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Why is it a problem when Pelosi criticizes the CIA, and not a problem when Boehner and Hoekstra do the same thing?

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"Liberal Fascists"?

LOL. god you people are stupid. you can't even speak english.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

As a lifelong Democrat, I find myself in total agreement with the Republican Party for a change. If Nancy Pelosi knew that our government was torturing detainees and did nothing about it, she does not deserve to be a member of the United States Congress. Alternatively, if the CIA lied to her, this is yet another reason for a thorough investigation of our nation's shameful recent history of torture.

I'm no lawyer, but my understanding is that, as a member of Congress, Ms. Pelosi enjoys substantial legal protections for activities related to her job. A Democrat with a conscience who knew that we were torturing prisoners had an OBLIGATION to go public with what she knew, even if this might have ultimately come at the cost of her job. Ms. Pelosi should have demanded that this policy be brought in for Congressional oversight, and if this demand was rejected, she should have called a press conference and spilled the beans. By failing to do so, she has become a collaborator with war criminals. Everyone has a personal moment in life when it is time to make a stand, and this was Ms. Pelosi's moment of truth. Sadly, she failed the test.

I am sickened that the Democratic Party has made itself complicit with U.S. Government torture. Our own cowardly President Obama is leading the charge to sweep this all under the rug our of expediency, but he is walking in lockstep with a craven Democratic Congress which turns tail and flees whenever anyone accuses them of being soft on terrorists. Our nation will never recover from our shame and dishonor until these charges have been thoroughly investigated and prosecuted.

This Democrat says that Nancy Pelosi MUST GO -- NOW...

Posted by: jerkhoff | May 22, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Never_Left:

"Liberal Fascists"????????????? Do you know the meaning of those two words? Evidently not. But you did make me laugh.

Posted by: Lefty_ | May 22, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Let me see if I understand this.

The GOP, who secretly and illegally committed and now openly supports TORTURE is mad at Pelosi for.....

Not opposing them against Torture when they first told her they were doing it?

Supporting the Bush/GOP Torture Policy from the beginning?

Saying she didn't endorse torture when she did? Similar to the GOP/Bush Administration who said "They don't torture, when they did".


Ok...I give, why is the GOP mad at Pelosi?

It seems to be that all moral, patriotic people should be mad at both the GOP and Pelosi! Everytime one of the GOP members criticize Pelosi, or she critizes them, I get madder at both of them!

Nice job GOP! What is your next goal, a 0% approval rating?

Thank God for the Libertarian Party, as those of us who truly believe in Constitutionally Small, Fiscally Responsible, Law Abiding Government who can't stomach anymore GOP deception and hypocrisy now have a new home!

LP.ORG

Posted by: fixitj | May 22, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or does that photo look like a female clone of Joe Lieberman?

Scary in any case.

Posted by: spamsux1 | May 22, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Just goes to show how much disdain Republicans have for our country.

They truly don't give a damn. they really don't. They'd rather see this country fail than to try to do anything productive to right the course that they screwed up.

Pigs. Each and every last one of them. These pigs won't be happy until we get attacked again. And you know they'll blame it on Obama. After all George poo and dickey doo kept us safe for 7 years. Minor exception for that first year where they simply didn't care for memos suggesting they were going to fly planes into buildings.

When can we have a mass hanging of these treasonous Rethugs?

Posted by: dcp26851 | May 22, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Of course they are. That's what Republicans do, impede progress. When they couldn't (wouldn't) work with Clinton, they impeached him. It didn't matter that the charges were cr@p, it hamstrung the rest of his administration. Try and work for the betterment of the country? NO! Try and advance their own agenda through the democratic process? NO! Bipartisanship? NO! Compromise? NO! The Republican party is truly the party of "NO."

Posted by: Lefty_ | May 22, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

This became an issue because Botox Nancy made it an issue.

Fortunately, she had a line of goose-stepping Liberal Fascists to crab walk behind!

Posted by: NeverLeft | May 22, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

As long as the repubes are trying to nail Pelosi, let's bring back a few gems of theirs! How about good old Doctor Frist...you remember..the dude who could tell the brain damaged woman was coherent? Over a TV set? And then there's good old Tom DeLay! Who can forget him ordering the National Guard to go after the Democrats who fled his tyranny in Texas? How about Bush himself? "Heck of a job you're doing, Brownie" Busie-poo? So...let's remind the little boy repubes not to get their panties in a wad and maybe try to be a little more advanced up the evolution path....so to speak.

Posted by: swatkins1 | May 22, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"Oh please, questioning whether an NIE is correct is not even close to call the agency Liars. The NIE was wrong about Iraq having WMDs but I don't recall anybody on the Republican side,calling them liars.They just got it wrong because they were relying to much on the MOSSAD and other European Spy agencies. A lie in an intential untruth, not getting an estimate wrong."

It's different when my team does it!

Posted by: VTDuffman | May 22, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Cillizza says:
"Pelosi's first several years proved a disappointment for those once-high Republican hopes as the California Democrat steered a liberal but not particularly high profile course in the House."

Since when is a little over two years considered "several"?

Posted by: spamsux1 | May 22, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Democrats voted down having a Truth Commission...the cover-up continues... If the truth ever came out Pelosi would be toast as well as Obama and the rest of the clowns in the democrat socialist party.

Posted by: charko825 | May 22, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

When are the American people going to catch on, eliminate both parties & take campaign finance?

We're being taken in the greatest scam the world has ever seen, we call it representation. Madoff was only letting the elite in his his scam too, telling them how lucky they were. Seems to me that line about America being the greatest country is the world has come to the same dead end as Madoff's Ponzi scheme.

Ain't it a b-tch when the cooks have to fess up? Not if the people being robbed don't speak up?

www.nextrevolution.net

These two parties are costing US the nation! Like Shiites & Sunnies, these two fight back & forth forcing country into ruin. Like to spoiled brats fighting over the same toy, dad swinging over the seat wrecks the car!

We're becoming more like Iraq than Iraq a democracy like US. They better hope democracy doesn't take hold, unless they want to be broke & bombed back to the stone age with our weapons of minor destruction. All we're missing is being bombed back to the stone age, we're about as broke as a country can be, unless printing money is the answer. I don't think so!

If the Ameircan people would stop & think about why we're trillions in debt & do something about it, we could fix the mess our representtaives created through campaign finance & greed.

If the big three are missmanaged with only billions in debt, our representatives blaming the working class suggesting high wages, health care, & retirement is to blame? Why is it we as a nation are trillion sin debt while we pay our representtaives a fine salary, health care, & retirement?

If ths two party joke bought through campaign finance is working as intedned with trillions in debt, how much would we be in debt if it was failing?


Our representative shave been floating our $ back & forth from contributors to representatives, making the same trillions we're in debt, like bad notes in a bank. If the American people ever wake up & realize what has happened, I wouldn't want to be a representatve, guilty, responsible, accountable, & in denial.

I wonder how the tar & feathers will fit, should the people ever wise up?

Posted by: greyghost1 | May 22, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a lying CUN*. Between her and the fraud president..the country known as the United States no longer exists..run by a bunch of incompetent frauds.

Posted by: flhope | May 22, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

drivl has been released from the rubber room for the day.

Like Obambi, she will accuse the Repubs of everything that she does.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | May 22, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh please, questioning whether an NIE is correct is not even close to call the agency Liars. The NIE was wrong about Iraq having WMDs but I don't recall anybody on the Republican side,calling them liars.They just got it wrong because they were relying to much on the MOSSAD and other European Spy agencies. A lie in an intential untruth, not getting an estimate wrong.

Posted by: vbhoomes | May 22, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Nothing would make me happier than to see Pelosi take a hike.

But the GOP is wrong on this issue, and they will eventually be proven wrong, just as they have already been proven wrong on everything having to do with the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

How about Russ Feingold or Dennis Kucinich for Speaker? True, they'd probably have to put a stool behind the podium for Dennis, but he'd make a hell of a fine Speaker and President should worst come to worst... much better than President Pelosi.

Ugh, I think I'm going to vomit...

-Wexler

Posted by: WWWexler | May 22, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"Funny how yesterday's revelation that the ranking GOP Intel Committee member, Pete Hoekstra, had accused the CIA of lying to the Committee as recently as November of 2008."

Not only that, fellow Intel Committe member, Bob Graham, also publically noted several incidents where the CIA admitted they were "mistaken"...he said they were lying and got caught.

Advantage: Pelosi!

Silly GOP, you just can't buy a win!

Posted by: free-donny | May 22, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Republicans don't need to trash Pelosi, she does it quite well herself!! Real brave press conference today Nancy!! You had to bring out the goons to stand by you!! Even howdi doodie had to speak up for you!! or was that Steny?

You are lame too Chilbot!


Posted by: hotdad14 | May 22, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Time to investigate Boehner!

BLITZER: Last year, the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, Pete Hoekstra of Michigan, he said this in response to a case that he was watching very closely — an American citizen who was killed in a plane crash — a coverup, he alleged, involving the CIA.

He said these words: "We cannot have an intelligence community that covers up what it does and then lies to Congress."

That’s what Pete Hoekstra said in 2008.

BOEHNER: Pete Hoekstra did say that, and the inspector general at the CIA did an investigation, and it became clear that some CIA operatives did in fact cover this up.

...

BLITZER: You agree that the CIA then lied to Congress?

BOEHNER: I know as much about this case as Pete Hoekstra does, and the inspector general did in fact do an investigation, produced a report, and frankly supported, I think, Pete’s claims.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

pgr88 writes
"At least Cheney is HONEST and consistent about water-boarding."

Not really. His speech yesterday implies that the Obama administration changed the policy on waterboarding & enhanced interrogations. The truth of the matter is that we stopped the most severe interrogations in 2004, roughly five years ago. In other words, the Bush administration's record of keeping us safe included over four years of safety without waterboarding. Yet, all of a sudden, former VP Cheney says we're no longer safe. Does that sound like an HONEST assessment to you?

Posted by: bsimon1 | May 22, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Republicans do not have to try too hard to tar and feather the divisive gadfly Nancy Pelosi. She has done a marvelous job of doing that to herself already.

This is not the politician leading the marjority party that America needs right now. We need more centrist thinkers and leaders, not fewer, and Pelosi is most certainly anything but a centrist.

My vote is to throw her out as soon as possible.

Posted by: dstafford2 | May 22, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I hate to disappoint the shrinking GOP so completely (this is really all they have), but turning their linear hatred of House Speaker Pelosi into a "big win" is just pathetic.

This lady threw the waterboarding issue right back at the Bush/Cheney CIA, and is now taking all the "tarring" the NeoCons can dish out... and she is not blinking. Pretty tough lady. Gingrich, you may want to quit and be quiet while you are still welcome on Fox News.

Posted by: free-donny | May 22, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse


On Dec. 9, 2007, CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asked Boehner: “Are you suggesting, as I think you are, that you don’t necessarily have confidence in this new NIE [National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq]?”

Boehner: “Either I don’t have confidence in what they told me several months ago or I don’t have confidence in what they’re telling me today.”

Nine months earlier, on NBC’s ”Meet the Press,” Boehner said: “It’s clear to all of us, Democrats and Republicans, that we have flawed intelligence. The CIA had bad intelligence, the Pentagon had bad intelligence and, for that matter, all of our allies around the world had the same bad intelligence.”


One staffer also sent along an excerpt from Boehner’s 2006 appearance on MSNBC’s “Hardball” in which Boehner defended the agency’s intelligence on Saddam Hussein, with the leader asserting that Iraq did, in fact, possess weapons of mass destruction.

“The same guy who thinks that the CIA never misled Congress is the same guy who still believes Saddam had WMDs,” the aide said.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Gingrich is acting like he is Oral Moral now. This is more static from the corrupt Republicans, they are doing there level best to diffused the guilt they share with Bush/Cheney! This is a Conspiracy of Republican Dunces!

FIRE ALL REPUBLICANS AND ALL DEMOCRATS!

VOTE FOR INDEPENDENTS OR THE GREEN PARTY OR UNITARIANS! LET US TAKE BACK OUR GOVERNMENT FORM THE THIEVES IN OFFICE, ALL OF THEM NEED TO GO!

Posted by: nallcando | May 22, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"Wow, the Post's favorite intern, Cillizza, is at it again, writing an "article" about what Pelosi may or may not have know about torture.

WHO CARES?

She was forbidden by law from saying anything, she was not making policy, and this whole subject is just playing into wingnut hands, because they don't want to talk about the REAL ISSUE: WHO IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AUTHORIZED TORTURE AGAINST THE LAW, AND WHY HAVEN'T THEY BEEN ARRESTED FOR THEIR CRIMES, WHICH HAVE STAINED AMERICA'S HONOR?

And it turns out that the REASON they tortured was to force "confessions" to justify their invasion of Iraq... a war that they lied us into while the Post and the rest of the corporate media "reporters" worried about which cocktail parties they would be invited to.

The Washington Post: bringing you GOP talking points as usual!

Posted by: losthorizon10 | May 22, 2009 11:44 AM"
________
Agreed.

Even if Pelosi had been told about the torture, it was classified info so she couldn't talk about it and had no authority to block it (a failure of the current system of Congressional oversight over these things). The press is lazy and complicit--they don't want to make the effort to find out who all was involved in the torture of fellow human beings in violation of US and international law. And they don't want to confirm that the reason for the torture was to get the detainees to support the lie that there was a link between Saddam and Al Queda.

Rather than look into these (alleged) war crimes, it's easier for the media to go around and around with Faux News and hate broadcasters about whether a 70-year-old grandmother knew about the waterboarding. Who cares?

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 22, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

But when reporters questioned Boehner about his own comments that the intelligence community could not be trusted when the National Intelligence Estimate on Iran’s nuclear capabilities came out 2007, the Minority Leader demurred. Boehner said that the comparison was “mixing apples with oranges”:

QUESTION: [I]n 2007 — I just looked at the transcript — you had accused the intelligence community of greatly misleading the nation by changing their national intelligence assessment about the…

BOEHNER: We’re mixing apples — we’re mixing apples and oranges here.

QUESTION: Why is that different?

BOEHNER: Because when the National Intelligence Estimate came out with regard to Iran, it — it contradicted most everything that I had been told in the six months leading up to it. … I was questioning how this National Intelligence Estimate could — could vary and contradict a lot of information that I’d been told for the six months coming up to it.

In fact, Boehner and his Republican colleagues worked extremely hard to portray the intelligence community as misleading Congress and the President on Iran’s nuclear capability. At the time, Boehner said that he doubted the CIA’s conclusions, while Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) called the presentation that the intelligence committee delivered to members of Congress on the Iran NIE “pathetic.” “Members didn’t find them forthcoming, or even well-versed in answering very tough questions,” Hoekstra added.

More broadly, Boehner said yesterday that he agreed with Hoekstra’s claim last fall that the CIA had lied to Congress about a 2001 incident in which the CIA killed a U.S. citizen in Peru.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

So why am I not surprised that Democrap Socialist Party operative and spin-controller Chris Cillizza is trying to deflect Nancy Pelosi's sliming our CIA men and women as a bunch of liars, by putting all blame on the GOP for poor, poor Nancy's troubles with the words "Republicans try to tar Pelosi", as if Pelosi was some pure totally innocent virginal Democrap, being picked on by those nasty Republicans again? It must be great to have the entire Democrap Socialist Party--controlled Main Stream Media on your side, acting as the gatekeepers for all the news, and covering up and censoring all the news for your benefit. If Nancy Pelosi was a Republican, she'd be crucified by the same media that is protecting her now, and she'd have been run out of office long ago.

Posted by: armpeg | May 22, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"At least Cheney is HONEST..."

Wait, what? Really?

Posted by: VTDuffman | May 22, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"Refresh my memory Drindl, what government agency did Boehner call a bunch of liars? Plus he will not get to be the Speaker until Jan 2011."

By publicly condemning the NIE?

Technically, he called *all of them* liars.

But please, continue to rationalize things that are OK when "your team" does it, but not OK when the "other team" does it.

Posted by: VTDuffman | May 22, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Yes, because Pelosi is a liar. She knew what was going on, but for political purposes claimed to be against it, then gave childish accusations against the CIA, Bush, etc... to cover her lies.

At least Cheney is HONEST and consistent about water-boarding.

Posted by: pgr88 | May 22, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Yes, because Pelosi is a liar. She knew what was going on, but for political purposes claimed to be against it, then gave childish accusations against the CIA, Bush, etc... to cover her lies.

At least Cheney is HONEST and consistent about water-boarding.

Posted by: pgr88 | May 22, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have no shame and Chris Chilliza carries their water.

Posted by: SarahBB | May 22, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

To all the posters here that believe a single word Mr Cheney said yesterday....check out this link and READ

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090521/pl_In Dueling Speeches, a National Security Debate/3237981

And then decide who tells the lies

Posted by: mackiejw | May 22, 2009 11:46 AM
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Then read MY post under the article "In Dueling Speeches, a National Security Debate" and learn what a fool McClatchy is.

Posted by: ekim53 | May 22, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"State Attorney General Bob McDonnell (R) leads all three potential Republicans in the Mason-Dixon survey with Moran the closest -- seven points behind."

Chris,

Didn't you mean to say that he leads all three potential Democrats...

Posted by: hisroc | May 22, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Refresh my memory Drindl, what government agency did Boehner call a bunch of liars? Plus he will not get to be the Speaker until Jan 2011.

Posted by: vbhoomes | May 22, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Another distraction. Pelosi had nothing to do with authorizing the popicy and coupdn't have stopped it. Her story is corroborated by trustworthy people and disputed by proven liars. Nothing to see here but another GOP smokescreen, an attempt to influence the jury before the trials start, and start they will.

Watch significant numbers of former Bush enablers flee to Israel, then the real fun starts as Israel tries to fight their extradition.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | May 22, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi, the new poster girl for cleaning house in Washington, has done what politicians do when they are in trouble. She has gone on a Junket. She is now in China where most of the media can't interview her and ask her embarrassing questions.

The only problem for her is that eventually she will return to the US, and the media, and the Republicans, will be waiting for her.

Posted by: mike85 | May 22, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

How fraudulent is the corporate media?
Where are the stories on the WAR PROFITEER Dick Cheney?
No divestiture before taking office. Broke the law, placing his fortune in HALLIBURTON STOCK in a trust, way after the deadline. And, man did that Halliburton stock get rich off the IRAQ invasion & gouging tax payers from oil speculation. How many billions did Dick Cheney make from his WAR? Nancy Pelosi as a focus.....its just pathetic to see the media going along with a serial lair & war sponger pimping himself as a patriot. Cheney has never done anything but cheer from the corporate box as the po folks bleed.

Posted by: mikepiedmont | May 22, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

To all the posters here that believe a single word Mr Cheney said yesterday....check out this link and READ

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090521/pl_mcclatchy/3237981

And then decide who tells the lies

Posted by: mackiejw | May 22, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans don't have to do anything. Pelosi tars herself every time she opens her stupid mouth and lies some more. This democrat moron just acn't seem to remember the last lie she told.
What an embarrassment having a nitwit like her third in line for the presidency. With the other two boobs in the White House they make the three stooges look like intellectuals.

Posted by: LarryG621 | May 22, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Wow, the Post's favorite intern, Cillizza, is at it again, writing an "article" about what Pelosi may or may not have know about torture.

WHO CARES?

She was forbidden by law from saying anything, she was not making policy, and this whole subject is just playing into wingnut hands, because they don't want to talk about the REAL ISSUE: WHO IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AUTHORIZED TORTURE AGAINST THE LAW, AND WHY HAVEN'T THEY BEEN ARRESTED FOR THEIR CRIMES, WHICH HAVE STAINED AMERICA'S HONOR?

And it turns out that the REASON they tortured was to force "confessions" to justify their invasion of Iraq... a war that they lied us into while the Post and the rest of the corporate media "reporters" worried about which cocktail parties they would be invited to.

The Washington Post: bringing you GOP talking points as usual!

Posted by: losthorizon10 | May 22, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I am outraged by the GOP "outrage." Hypocrites.

Posted by: soonerthought | May 22, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

For sure, rather than the Republicans, it seems Rep Pelosi is tarring herself. Her (non)performance today not only made her look worse, it tainted the unfortunates at her side, Reps. Hoyer, Becerra and someone else. The Republicans probably are very happy that she's Speaker, a self-annointed "lightning rod," as it were. At the same time, how content can Americans and the World be with her as # 3 and Mr Biden as # 2? Rather scary, wot?

Posted by: HassanAliAl-Hadoodi | May 22, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

"when you make an accusation as grave as calling the CIA a bunch of Liars, "

Something repulicans do on a regular basis. So why isn't it a problem then?

Would someone explain exactly what it is that Pelosi has done, that Boehner hasn't also done?

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Dick Cheney, without doubt, wins the gold medal for the most manipulative fear-mongering of our time. Every time the issue of the law or of human rights abuses comes up, he leaps up to remind the American public that we are all in mortal danger from ‘terrorists’.

So are we to believe that the most powerful nation the world has ever known – a country with more destructive weapons than the rest of the planet put together, and with a history of using that power to devastating effect - is in extreme danger by some radicalized, disenfranchised peasants from Asia and Africa – more dangerous than the Soviet Union during the Cold War, a country with weapons to match America’s? These people are so dangerous that this country has to sacrifice the very values that it used against the British to gain independence?

Cheney’s clever advantage is that the ‘enemy’ is unseen. If the public could actually see who these ‘terrifying human beings’ actually are, understand their stories, their backgrounds, who they are, what they are called, what they believe in and above all, why they hate America, then the public would see human beings with concepts and emotions like the rest of us, not some enduring monsters without faces.

But what does Cheney care? As long as he gets heard, and as long as the influence of fear works, then he has power.

Posted by: francinelast | May 22, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

BTW, the face and name of the torture "contractor" was reported on Rachel Maddow last night. Sorry, I forget the name of the reporter and who he initially filed the story for, but I'm sure you can find out on the MSNBC website.

Turns out there were several emails each day while this was going on from the safe house where the torture was occuring to the White House Office of Legal Counsel in which the "contractor" pestered the OLC for permission to engage in harsher and harsher techniques.

Can you say "Fredo"? How handy. That man cannot remember what he had for breakfast if you ask him after 1 pm.

Much more in the report about the total lack of credentials this sadist had, etc.

THAT's where the WaPo needs to put its focus now. How did they find and hire this guy.

Friend of Dusty Froggo maybe?

Posted by: theRealCalGal | May 22, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

"Of course if Pelosi was a conservative the headline would read, "Pelosi charged with lying and condoning torture"

And if she WAS a 'conservative' that would be true.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

If Nancy Pelosi was just another left wing blogger or low ranking Congresswomen, we would just blow it off and go on. But she is only several heartbeats away from being POTUS and when you make an accusation as grave as calling the CIA a bunch of Liars, then you have at least the obligation and responsibility to provide the evidence they lied to you. Let us remember the Dems went along with enhanced interrogations and the War with Iraq. As Cheney so succintly put it, when it became controversial, the cowards ran for the hills.(ie: Pelosi, Rockerfeller, Reid and so one.)

Posted by: vbhoomes | May 22, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Chris - I agree with you in that I'm not sure what this whole ado does to permantly damage Pelosi or the Democrats. Sure they might have been able to lower Pelosi's approval ratings but to what extent?

To the casual observer, which unfortunately is the majority of the American public, the GOP's attack runs a very real risk of back-firing against them. Again to the casual observer the reason why the GOP wants us to believe Pelosi is "BAD" has to do with a quibble around the subject of torture. I have to admit that I was one of those casual observers for the first couple of days when this story broke and I was very confused thinking that the GOP was finally admiting that torture is a bad thing or at least a bad thing to be associatiated with. Of course now the GOP is trying to paint Pelosi with their Grand Ole 'Unpatriotic Brush' because she dared to 'defame the loyal public servents that are the CIA.' For one thing I don't think the American public holds the CIA in as high regard as say the US Military or even the Police force. Plus this whole attack reminds me of another from the GOP rich treasure trove of attacks - the 'Gen Betray-Us' attacks. I seem to remember that line of attack might have had short-term benefits but in the long term it didn't win the GOP any elections out side their small base. In addition the Republican brand is already suffering under the shadow of being unpatriotic due to their early wishes that President Obama fails and the weird fringe cries for secession during the tea parties.

But let's play Devil's Advocate and say that the GOP have scored a hit then so what! It's definately not a "I sunk your battleship" kind of hit! No one's calling for Pelosi's resignation. It clearly is having no effeect on the President's approval ratings and by extension the Democratic Party. Again let's play Devil's Advocate and say this 'tempest in a tea pot' scandal snowballs and leads to the Speaker's resignation again what harm does it do? When the Gingrich was forced to not seek the Speakership in 1999, the short and failed term of Livingston and the long reign of Hastert afterwards show that the scandals did nothing to decrease the Republican luster in that the GOP controlled all branches of government for the next six years. It took George W Bush and Dick to destroy the Republican party.

Posted by: dre7861 | May 22, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Republicans: How dare Pelosi not stop us from torturing!

Posted by: barbnc | May 22, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Great example of Washington Post Liberal bias. You couldn't write a more slanted headline.

Of course if Pelosi was a conservative the headline would read, "Pelosi charged with lying and condoning torture"

Posted by: zippy295 | May 22, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I'm still confused about what, exactly, the GOP is accusing Speaker Pelosi of having done. As far as I can tell, they're arguing that she should have objected to enhanced interrogation when she was first briefed, and because she didn't, she can't object now. What the media is ignoring is that behind all this nonsense about "what did she know & when did she know it" she's not accused of committing a crime. The issue is entirely manufactured. Having said that, she did herself no favors by publicly claiming the CIA misled her. Whether true or not, that was not an appropriate venue for making the claim.

Posted by: bsimon1 | May 22, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

So what if Pelosi is adding her own fuel to the fire. Good! One way or another, maybe we will finally get the truth! And if Dems were complicit, they will answer in the court of public opinion for being enablers & cowards. Maybe next time the minority will not be so cowed by amoral political weasels and an angry, vengeful public. Maybe MORE of them - rather than the one or two lone voices - will decide to be brave and stand up for principle, despite the political costs!

Still, it's astoundingly hypocritical that Repubs are now blaming Dems for being cowards when Repubs held the threat of political character assassination over Dem's heads when Repubs controlled the White House! It is IRONIC that Repubs vilify enabling Dems while justifying those government actors who actually ATTEMPTED TO LEGALIZE, PROMOTED, DEMANDED, AND PRACTICED torture!

There is apparently no limit to the deceptions Rovian political weasels think we will swallow. They have a point, we have swallowed all their false witnessing & deceptions until very recently and they believe we will do so again. Alas, they may be right.

Posted by: Karyn1 | May 22, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

And I will tell you Republican dreamers another thing: driving Pelosi out of the Speaker's chair is more likely to help the Democrats than hurt them. She hasn't been particularly effective at the job. Most Democrats I know want her replaced as Speaker. The moment she is replaced she will be forgotten.

Posted by: PutDownTheKoolaid | May 22, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

So, while GOP Old Guard alumni Dick Cheney are Newt Gingrich are out in front talking GOP policy on national security adn whatever you want Newt to argue, the current GOP leaders are nowhere to be found except for bickering over this stupid issue?
GOP leaders Boehner and Mitchell should even withdraw more from the public limelight and roll out one of their new class of Party heavyweights like Sarah 'Gidget Goes to Washington' Palin or Michael 'Huh?' Steele to carry the standard on this charge up the Hill.
Cut the politicking. Get back to governing....like that would be an improvement.

Posted by: jmf3210 | May 22, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I am not sure why it is assumed only Republicans are displeased with Pelosi. I am a liberal who is very upset that she did not stand up to George W. Bush when she first learned about waterboarding. I figure she did not want to go after him because in 2002 he had a 70% approval rating. What a coward she is.

Posted by: deckard1982 | May 22, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Republicans are stupid beyond all comprehension. They have tried and failed to make Pelosi the Democrat bugaboo. They tried to run against Pelosi in the last election, and lost huge. The notion that tarring Pelosi is somehow going to persuade heartland Democrats to abandon their Democratic representatives in Congress is delusional. Go for it, fools. Run your Jindal/Palin party purity ticket in 2012. Get your 50 electoral votes, 30 Senate seats, and 150 House seats. Then go home, losers.

Posted by: PutDownTheKoolaid | May 22, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Capitol Hill seems to be overburdened with mispoken people, misinformed people, and people who just can't speak the plain truth at all. Business as usual. I think Pelosi has worn out her welcome in many places.

Posted by: mzbond | May 22, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans did not push her into the tar pit. She jumped in, head first.

Posted by: boredbybaseball | May 22, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

RealCalGal -- Yes, don't you wish 'reporters' could -- you know, do their jobs? Get some background? Every blogger in the world has at least 10 quotes up from different republicans savaging the CIA for lying and incompetence. You'd think the Fix might have been able to have found just one, wouldn't you? I mean, if they were actually not in the tank.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a Pelosi fan... she's probably not the sharpest knife in the drawer... but all this criticism of her on the torture question is a blatant decoy operation.

I'd believe her before the self-serving, unverifiable 'cover-your-arse' claims of the CIA... which has already admitted it was "in error" about the number and content of these briefings when challenged by Senator Graham, armed with his contemporaneous log entries. But this is irrelevant to the main issues. Whether Pelosi received briefings or not, SHE isn't the one who ordered or conducted torture interrogations... and the terms under which Congressmen were briefed made it virtually impossible for them to DO anything about it. They couldn't divulge whatever they were told in the briefings, and nobody was asking them for permission to do anything.

President Obama erred when he decided not to enforce the law, and prosecute the war criminals. If they were busy preparing their legal defenses, to try to stay out of jail (including Cheney and Bush), we wouldn't be talking about these irrelevant CIA briefings at all.

Posted by: Observer44 | May 22, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

MEDUSA!

Posted by: nonneocon | May 22, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Back in the late 1960's or early 1970's the local chapter of one of my professional societies held a series of events on Capitol Hill where congressional staffers talked about what happens in Congress and members of the society talked about our technology and how it might apply to the work of Congress.

In one of the congressional staff presentations it was stated as a basic fact of life in Washington that executive agencies routinely lie to Congress. It was surprising to me, but the staffers just took it as a basic fact regardless of who is in power in the executive or in Congress. That is just the way it is, has been, and will be. The continuing challenge for Congress is to find out what is really going on and what the real facts are.

In addition, the issue here relates to a briefing, and not to a written report. There are at least a gazillion ways to spin a briefing. Even if we had the slide deck, that doesn't tell you what the briefer actually said, how much time was spent on each slide, or how the choice of words might be interpreted by the audience.

On top of that, Pelosi is working from her memory of a meeting 7 years ago and why she did or didn't do anything like hand write a memo to her files noting her objection to what she might have been told. (That's what someone else did after one of those briefings.) Being told about something you can't change, influence, or tell anyone else about isn't what I would call real oversight. It is no more than political charade.

This whole controversy is political drivel of the he-said, she-said variety. There is no way to get to what really happened, even if they declassified the slide deck. There may be a need for some process reform, but that is all that can be done now with any certainty.

Let's get on with what needs to be done and put this nonsense behind us.

Posted by: StanKlein | May 22, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

@vbhoomes: Pelosi is your best weapon because you have absolutely nothing else. But oh boy if only Boehner was Speaker, I'm sure he would get so much important work done.

Posted by: morning135 | May 22, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"Republicans Try to Tar Pelosi" - what a surprise. Yesterday, it was Cheney slamming Obama about how unsafe he is making this country. I don't like Pelosi either and it seems to me that Cheney had his time in the sun and blew it. Seems that all the Republicans have to offer day after day is one schoolyard bully after another. Get a grip people -- Americans of whatever political stripe are worried about their jobs and the impact that this economy is having on their families. They have time for this crap. Those willing to listen to this blather, from either side of the aisle, are getting fewer and fewer. We want solutions. And if this is the best that the Republican party can offer to this great nation, they need to just pack it up and go home. I know! Go to Texas and secede.

Posted by: newporter | May 22, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Come on! The characters from the disgraced Bush Administration are still arguing that waterboarding isn't torture. Who knows what they actually told Nancy Pelosi (or her aid) in the mid-2000's to distract her from what was really going on. Remember when they were telling people that there were no secret torture prisons? Yeah, right.

Posted by: JimZ1 | May 22, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Thank you drindl. I sure wish the REPORTERS at the WaPo were as discerning as the commenters.

EVERY time the ReThugs publicly make accusations about Nancy Pelosi lying about what she was briefed on, the talking head/reporter on hand should be saying "How's that different that what your Majority Leader said when he accused the CIA of misleading Congress about intelligence leading up to the Invasion of Iraq?" Or about any other time ReThugs have questioned what they heard from the CIA.

Posted by: theRealCalGal | May 22, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I think the Republicans need to back off and re-think this tactic. While it’s true they do not like this woman, but there is too much evidence of the very same people that are condemning her for saying the CIA lied (go figure) said the same thing about the CIA as well as conflicting evidence from… the CIA, that they may have lied! All of this would make them (Republicans) look more hypocritical than Pelosi… but then Republicans never have had any issues with being hypocrites… have they?

Posted by: oda155 | May 22, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad that Pelosi is being given a full, unflinching examination by the Republicans and the press. This sets the precedent for the upcoming examinations of Cheney, Bush, Rice, Rummy, and the rest; none of them will be able to claim they are being singled out, or that their discussions with the CIA should be privileged.

Posted by: imhodudes | May 22, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"Tarring isn't good enough..."

Have you noticed that the rabid animals if the right are unable to get through five minutes without obbsessing over the sado-machochistic fantasies?

There's always someone they want to torture. Just can't get enough of other people's pain -- they thrive on it.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

So, Pelosi is off to China to get away from Wahington's pre-summer heat...

You may want to call at one or all of her offices (see below)and tell her to have a wonderfull and safe trip. Be sure to also tell the person answering that you find it rude when transferred to voice mail; that being a taxpayer and all, you help pay for Pelosi's swell salary and over-the-top benefits, and all things being equal, you would just as soon leave a message with a real, live person:

- Speaker of the House Office: 202-225-0100

- Congressional Office: 202-225-4965

- District Office (San Fran): 415-556-4862

Tarring isn't good enough...

"Change You Can Belive In"

Posted by: JAH3 | May 22, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

"Saw it this morning on MSDNC Morning Joe. A reporter covering the WH, recieved that message from inside the WH."

Well, a third-hand account from an un-named source on conservative pundit Joe Scarborough's morning cable television show is all the proof I need!

Posted by: VTDuffman | May 22, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

What rank hypocrisy thisall this:


But when reporters questioned Boehner about his own comments that the intelligence community could not be trusted when the National Intelligence Estimate on Iran’s nuclear capabilities came out 2007, the Minority Leader demurred. Boehner said that the comparison was “mixing apples with oranges”:

QUESTION: [I]n 2007 — I just looked at the transcript — you had accused the intelligence community of greatly misleading the nation by changing their national intelligence assessment about the…

BOEHNER: We’re mixing apples — we’re mixing apples and oranges here.

QUESTION: Why is that different?

BOEHNER: Because when the National Intelligence Estimate came out with regard to Iran, it — it contradicted most everything that I had been told in the six months leading up to it. … I was questioning how this National Intelligence Estimate could — could vary and contradict a lot of information that I’d been told for the six months coming up to it.

In fact, Boehner and his Republican colleagues worked extremely hard to portray the intelligence community as misleading Congress and the President on Iran’s nuclear capability. At the time, Boehner said that he doubted the CIA’s conclusions, while Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) called the presentation that the intelligence committee delivered to members of Congress on the Iran NIE “pathetic.” “Members didn’t find them forthcoming, or even well-versed in answering very tough questions,” Hoekstra added.

More broadly, Boehner said yesterday that he agreed with Hoekstra’s claim last fall that the CIA had lied to Congress about a 2001 incident in which the CIA killed a U.S. citizen in Peru.


Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

In any case, it doesn't matter -- republicans will attack anything that moves. Another speaker would get just as much crap, no matter who they are.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Nobody cares about this. Only the rabid rightwing base, and no one is listening to them.

Posted by: drindl | May 22, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

DDWAWD: Saw it this morning on MSDNC Morning Joe. A reporter covering the WH, recieved that message from inside the WH.

Posted by: vbhoomes | May 22, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

If the Democrats are smart (I do not accuse them of being smart) they will remove Pelosi as Speaker Of the House. Just get out in the public arena and see what Republicans AND Democrats are saying about her.

Posted by: jslivesay | May 22, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans can't attack Obama successfully, so they attack the woman who many Democrats don't even like.
I guess that's a strategy. I guess that's their idea of forward looking leadership. I guess that's their vision.

Posted by: steveandjanereed1 | May 22, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

"the White House has admitted they will not be scheduling any more dual speeched with Cheney."

Link?

Posted by: DDAWD | May 22, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

As usual they have this backwards. Good approval ratings are seen as coins to spend and bad as limits on what the elected person can do.

How about taking a bad poll as evidence of a mistake to be corrected? Then the can see what Pelosi has done wrong and correct it, rather than see what to do to raise the polls without concern for errors or mistakes.

It is tempting to think one is always right and has only to take measures to correct the perception of the public.

But it is a mistake.

Posted by: GaryEMasters | May 22, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

How about for stories this week

Kowalski, pick up your bag and head for Dansk.

18:1321/05/2009
WARSAW, May 21 (RIA Novosti) - U.S. Patriot air defense missiles and over 100 U.S. personnel will be deployed in Poland by the end of this year despite Russia's objections, Poland's deputy defense minister has said.
Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski said in February that a battery of U.S.-manned Patriot systems would be placed in Poland, regardless of whether plans for a U.S. missile defense base in the country go ahead or not.
"This will be the first time U.S. soldiers are stationed on Polish soil, other than those who come under NATO control, on exercises for example . . . This will be symbolic for Poland," Stanislaw Komorowski said in an interview published by the Financial Times on Thursday.
Washington signed deals with Warsaw and Prague last year to deploy 10 interceptor missiles in Poland and a radar in the Czech Republic by 2013.
To clinch the deal with Warsaw, the United States accepted Poland's demands for extra security guarantees to offset the potential risks of deploying a missile-interceptor base in the Central European country, including the deployment of Patriot missile systems and greater bilateral military ties.
Komorowski said final agreements with Washington would be concluded in July, followed by the deployment of over 100 U.S. military personnel and 196 missiles by the yearend.
Russian analysts believe that the possible deployment of Patriot missiles in Poland would only complicate the current negotiations between Russia and Europe on the Conventional Forces in Europe Treaty, although the move itself is unlikely to threaten Russia's defense capability.
Patriot (MIM-104) is a theater air-defense system designed to counter tactical ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and advanced aircraft.
As well as the U.S., the Patriot is in service in Egypt, Germany, Greece, Israel, Japan, Kuwait, the Netherlands, Saudi Arabia and Taiwan. Patriot missile systems were successfully deployed by U.S. forces during Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003.

Posted by: mesondk | May 22, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Well Chris, I hate to say I told you so(not really)but Cheney got the Best of Obama yesterday. I was surprised the MSM gave Cheney equal billing yesterday, and clearly Cheney forgets more about national security than Obama will ever know. How do we know Cheney won(yes, I'm a partisan, so my vote doesn't count.)Because the White House has admitted they will not be scheduling any more dual speeched with Cheney. No mas.

Posted by: vbhoomes | May 22, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

As far as I am concerned, Pelosi is the only real leader that the Democrats have. Obama is wishy-washy on most issues. Guns in national parks, ugh. Reid is Mr. Nothing. Go Nancy, go.

Posted by: Desertstraw | May 22, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Actually, anyone but a political hack would know that the CIA "minutes" of that CIA briefing of Congress was not done contemporaneously. It is riddled with errors and totally untrustworthy. Remember it claims that someone was in the meeting who does not even have clearance. Besides, the term of "enhanced methods" was not even coined at the time of that meeting. I know my former party is constantly trying to change the subject of their sorry record but alas, you would think they could pick something substantive, The real point is that a Republican administration illegally tortured POWs and all their bait and switch will just chase more thinking Republicans away from the GOP.

Posted by: mari2JJ | May 22, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

The truth is that the Obama administration doesn't like Pelosi.. they won't defend her. They have an ample number of their own loose cannons, they don't need help in that area.

If Obama could hold a retirement dinner for Nancy Pelosi, he'd fire up the grill himself.

Posted by: newbeeboy | May 22, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Telling a few lies is no reason to take her out of office.

Posted by: fury60 | May 22, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi is the new Hillary -- the Republicans can't stand 2 X chromosomes coupled with opinions and backbone. Why isn't the GOP after Rockefller and Graham? They say they weren't told about torture er, enhanced interrogation, either. But then they have a Y chromosome, so they're allowed to contradict.

The public isn't concerned with Pelosi's honesty on this issue because we are all aware now of just how often the public was fed lies, shaded facts, incomplete intelligence and puposely underdeveloped information by the Bush administration. I'm glad that Leon Panetta can say it isn't the CIA's *policy* to do these things, but he DID NOT say it didn't happen.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | May 22, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

MADAM SPEAKER: MOUNT A GOOD OFFENSE. TURN UP THE VOLUME ON TORTURE...

...AGAINST U.S. CITIZENS HERE AT HOME.


A good offense is the best defense. Speaker Pelosi should amp up her calls for an investigation into the DOMESTIC BRANCH
of the Bush-Cheney- spawned "torture matrix" -- key elements of which continue under the naive Obama administration.

Example: The grassroots "extrajudicial punishment network" spawned by federal security/military/intel agencies and local "partners" in law enforcement.

This nationwide apparatus has deployed a nationwide, Gestapo-like grassroots vigilante citizen army -- fronted by federally-funded community policing and volunteer organizations.

These citizen vigilantes use government-subsidized vehicles and equipment to stalk, harass, and even physically torture many thousands of unjustly "targeted" U.S. citizens and their families.

Every law enforcement agency in the nation knows about the GPS "beacons" that these officially-enabled "community gang stalkers" covertly implant on the vehicles of their prey -- a blatantly unconstitutional warrantless surveillance regime.

These vigilantes also are believed to be equipped with high-tech microwave radiation "directed energy weapons" that can induce cognitive impairment, physical injury and disease.

Bottom line: The "torture matrix" is NOT just a foreign affair. Speaker Pelosi has heard from constituents about these officially-countenanced horrors. But this American Gestapo continues to terrorize unjustly targeted families coast-to-coast.

The details, here:


http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

OR (if link is corrupted / disabled):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | May 22, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi jumped in the tar all by herself. She had no help - Republican or otherwise.
She is too smart to have handled that press conference so badly. Must have been a bad hair day.

Posted by: Kansas28 | May 22, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I'd say tie the two investigations together, an investigation of Pelosi along with an investigation of the whole Bush administration, the legal opinions that torture was constitutional, whether or not CIA memos and briefings were lies (as several in congress have said they were) and whether or not some of those lawyers who set this whole thing in action should be disbarred or put in jail.

Originally, I was of the thought that we should let things lie and go on to make corrections from here, but now that the GOP insists on brining up the past, we should bring up the whole past, not just Pelosi.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | May 22, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Most of the sane, reasonable world knows that Nancy, she of the replenished face, is way beyond her level of competence. Sort of the most recent instantiation of The Peter Principle.

Yet some of the bots from the Left don't practice cutting losses. So we'll all see what happens. Who goes down first: Nancy or Barack -- or both in a 'dead heat?'

Posted by: sagereader | May 22, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Well, think about it...What else do the republicans have to do these days? They really aren't part of the government anymore. They are more in America's way then anything else. Let them sit in the corner and giggle and disturb the class if they want. Just don't let them distract America from the real job to be done.

Posted by: free-donny | May 22, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Yellow journalism is a type of journalism that downplays legitimate news in favor of eye-catching headlines that sell more newspapers. It may feature exaggerations of news events, scandal-mongering, sensationalism, or unprofessional practices by news media organizations or journalists. - Wikipedia

WaPo is a practitioner of yellow journalism, these many articles about Pelosi being ample evidence. The Washington Post has lost it's credibility.

Posted by: mtnmanvt | May 22, 2009 9:34 AM
_________________
What he said.

When will the main stream media quit chasing these manufactured stories intended to distract Americans from real issues like prosecutions for the folks who actually committed the torture-related war crimes and who authorized theire criminality? It's at times like this you miss Russert, Cronkite, Howard K. Smith...and Katherine Graham.

I could care less about what Pelosi knew and when she first knew it--what difference does it make--it's background noise. Unlike the MSM, I also don't care about flagpins, teleprompters, BHO's decision to use Dijon mustard on his burgers, or Fox News sponsored non-spontaneous Tea Bagger parties.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | May 22, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

VTDuffman writes
"[Its the economy, stupid.]"

Good post. For the full version, scroll down to 8:55 AM.

Posted by: bsimon1 | May 22, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

ROFL Pelosi jumped in the tar ALL BY HERSELF.

Posted by: ekim53 | May 22, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

If the U.S. is ever in need of high-level mudslingers, the sort whose primary talent consists of arrogant strutting while insulting friends and enemies across the globe, we'll call on the GOP again. They excel in that department.

I think for now we're in the mood for good and effective government, and so Pelosi's fate will hinge on how well she delivers that.

Posted by: nodebris | May 22, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

If you took away the votes the Democrats have bought through their largesse of taxpayer money, her ratings would plunge even further.

Posted by: JoeTH | May 22, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

"T-Paw and former Sen. Mark Dayton are close to dead even in a Minnesota gov poll."

MN media outlets covered that story a little bit yesterday. It is difficult to imagine the poll represents anything more than name-recognition at this point. Put it in the category of polls that predicted the 2008 presidential election would be Giuliani v Clinton.

Posted by: bsimon1 | May 22, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Yellow journalism is a type of journalism that downplays legitimate news in favor of eye-catching headlines that sell more newspapers. It may feature exaggerations of news events, scandal-mongering, sensationalism, or unprofessional practices by news media organizations or journalists. - Wikipedia

WaPo is a practitioner of yellow journalism, these many articles about Pelosi being ample evidence. The Washington Post has lost it's credibility.

Posted by: mtnmanvt | May 22, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Nice Article title?? Republicans try to TAR Pelosi?? Isnt it possible to NOT try and interject OPINION into every piece of news on the WAPO website? Geez, wouldnt a fair title have been, GOP looks to capitalize on Pelosi Mistep. See, journanlism 101 teaches JOURNALISTS this type of thing. I knwo everyone here is too busy carrying the water for Obamalosi but cant you pretend to be objective?

Also, for all of you out there saying no one cares about this issue; shame on you. You should care when the person who is 3rd in line to the Presidency accuses the men and women charged with protecting us from Terrorists and foreign plots with Lying to Congress. You people are shameless political hacks who prefer power to the "justice and equality" you so flippantly pay lip service to. The Speaker called our brave CIA agents liars and deceivers without a shred of evidence and now the Democratic party has killed even a secret investigation into the allegations. When the Republicans abused power like this in the first 6 years of the GWB administration you all were in a lather. now that "your guys" are in charge, you fall back on, no one cares (never mind that the media have all but dropped this story which is why the average Joe doesn't know about). Your hypocrisy is astounding and your arrogance at trying to defend this blatent double standard reveal your general lack of character. No wonder everyone hates politics, there are always loud mouth hypocrites at the ready defend the indefensible. Shame on all of you; YOU are a threat to our Union.

Posted by: jlarranaga | May 22, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

While I have little use for "impeachment is off the table" Pelosi (and now we know WHY it was off the table), it's just another mark against the press that you all are hounding her over this when you let BushCo completely off the hook for starting a WAR based on lies.

When will the press ever investigate its OWN complicity with BushCo?

You ALL are such hypocrites.

Posted by: solsticebelle | May 22, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

"Nancy is a conniving idiot who will be gone before the midterm election."

hah, yeah, that's going to happen

Posted by: DDAWD | May 22, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

4000 liars at CIA and Pelosi is the only one telling the truth. What a marvelous fairy tale.

Posted by: sportsfan2 | May 22, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

If Pelosi knew about torture early on and did nothing to oppose it, then she deserves to be roasted a bit.

That said, it is hysterically laughable that the GOP is trying so desperately to make her the focus of the discussion, while trying just as desperately to take the attention off of themselves and their own deep culpability in the whole sordid matter.

That's like a gang of bank robbers trying to pin the whole heist on one of the security guards because she might have known a robbery was in progress. The REAL crooks get away clean with the crime, while sending the dogs barking after the hapless security guard who didn't try hard enough to stop them.

Pretty slick, and utterly amoral, but that's just how the GOP rolls.

Posted by: WaitingForGodot | May 22, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Oh...give me a break you GOP whiners. This si the reason that you are out of power, and staying out of power.

You squeal about whether or not Pelosi knew there was lipstick on the torture pig, while defending the members of your party who put the lipstick on. In fact, you are sitting hear still giving a platform to the man who held Bush's hand while he put it on.

So, what, if you see a bak get robbed, you are now as guilty as the people who go in and rob it?

Yeah, Pelosi irritates me, because she and other democrats didn't make more noise a out what was going on.

They STILL DIDN'T sign the papers to torture.

Bush said HE was the decider, remember?

At Nancy tries to do something for the American People, not just the Bankers on Wallstreet and the Military industrial complex.

Posted by: TortFeaser | May 22, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Ahhhh Washington Post -"Republicans Try to Tar Pelosi" - she's doing a great job on her on, Republicans don't need any help.

Posted by: eriksorenson | May 22, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"Pelosi's first several years proved a disappointment for those once-high Republican hopes..."

Hey Chris, you are confusing her years as MINORITY LEADER, from 2003 to 2007, with her TWO YEARS as Speaker. Two is not several. Of course the Republicans love you for being as easily confused as the rest of the country. But you are supposed to help set the facts straight, not add to the general cloud of disinformation.

Posted by: dotellen | May 22, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Nancy is a conniving idiot who will be gone before the midterm election. Too much baggage.

Posted by: sagereader | May 22, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I'd trade an investigation of Pelosi for investigations of the Bush lawyers who approved torture, the Bush officials who carried out the torture, and the whether the CIA memos are truthful or not. There is growing evidence that not only did the Bush CIA lie about WMDs and the Iraq 9/11 connection. They even wrote lies in their memos about who they briefed and when.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | May 22, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi is a very smart lady. I trust her ability to recall things about "secret" meetings more than I would recall the memories of those who lied to us for 8 years. The Republicans who want to ignore President Obama's guidance to move forward will rue the day that they did not heed his advice. The more that has been coming out lately, the more that we see that the Bush White House was corrupt at its very core. It seems that they were driving before they got a driver's license. That is, they were torturing before they had the legal opinions. The Bush White House was a work of art. It was a work of art that should be hidden from public view for years to come. Abu Graib was only the tip of the iceberg.

I still think back to the Bush response to the intelligence brief in August 2001 and his response on 9/11 while reading to the school children. Talk about incompetence and a deer in headlights.

For eight years, Bush's political instincts were pitiful. It would usually take him and his team of writers three days to make a response to something. Where was Cheney? In hiding when he was not going around talking to the party faithful.

Anyway, let the gang of good old boys have their day with Pelosi. Pelosi will take them all to the woodshed. You will see some fearful good old boys return. Imagine such "tough" guys ganging up on a woman. They are showing real guts! To what depths will the Republican Party fall before someone within that group of hypocrites speaks some sense?

Posted by: EarlC | May 22, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Red Herring! Pelosi being castigated because she may have known about the illegal activities of the President and his gang, while said (now former) president walks free. Such glaring hypocrisy.

Posted by: mtnmanvt | May 22, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi tarred Pelosi......period.

PLEASE KEEP Pelosi as Speaker thru the 2010 mid-terms......

Pelosi/Murtha/Dodd 2010!!!

It must be hard for the WashPo to keep up a solid defense of the Obamacrats it loves........

Posted by: georgedixon1 | May 22, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

It's kind of funny how out of touch political junkies like those who regularly post on this blog (myself included) can be at times.

Chris kind of touched on it in the article. But, I can't stress enough that the majority of people *don't care about any of this* like, at all.

The GOP really cares about this, because they see it as an opportunity for a big "Win." The problem is, they are wasting a lot of time and energy on something that the vast majority of people just don't care about. I'd wager that most people couldn't even name the speaker of the house.

People care about their jobs, or lack of jobs. People care about paying the bills, and the rising cost of vital things like food and energy. People care about being able to go to the doctor when they get sick. The GOP would be wise to address these issues and leave the bloviating about stuff that most people don't care about to the political sideshow entertainers.

Posted by: VTDuffman | May 22, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

whoever in the wh had the idea that obimbo should go up against Cheney is busy updating their resume today.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | May 22, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Between harry and nancy and president fluff and fold, the libs aren't prepared to lead a kindergarten class. Blame bush and leftism is not an answer we want.

Posted by: king_of_zouk | May 22, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

It's not just Republicans. Leon Panetta added a brush stroke or two of tar as well.

Posted by: hz9604 | May 22, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi doesn't need any help looking foolish or ineffectual. She does that all by herself.
She knew about the torture. She knows that Murtha is a thief. She knuckled under to every stupid thing that Bush did. She is a mess.
She should step down because she is terrible at her job.

Posted by: dbeins | May 22, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi is extremely Naive... She should have NEVER called the CIA liars! That was childish and Satanic... Once again the Dems further attempt to demonize the GOP. I'm still waiting for the GOP and FOX News to Report the "Majority" of every situation... Example: Barack Obama said "1 of 50 Children in America are Homeless, this is a tragedy..." In reality 49 of 50 or 98 of 100 have a Home... Get my Point? Waterboarding! Only 3 Detainees were Waterboarded! Dems depict that it was used on all detainees. 3 of 1000 is NOT bad! GOP needs to say 997 of 1000 were NOT Waterboarded! What's the Percentile on that? See what I mean?

- Noone

Posted by: SUFFER-FREEDOM | May 22, 2009 7:53 AM | Report abuse

cjpotter19: I could not disagree with you more, approval ratings for the Speaker do matter. It matters because if she is deeply unpopluar in the country, the voters will vote republican. While she has a safe congressional seat, she has no job security as Speaker, believe me, the dems would dump her in a heartbeat if she became dead weight around their necks. Politics in Washington are a bloodsport. Its not for the squemish.

Posted by: vbhoomes | May 22, 2009 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Not a bad idea. Tar and Feather Pelosi. Pelosi is a big lier, and when she is caught with her pants down, she tells even more lies.

Its clear that the current leadership is more intent on their own agenda's with disingenous indignation towards the treatment of some foreign combatents and terrorists than they are concerned about this great nation.

Obama is a disgrace. Pelosi is a lier and a disgrace.

It was nice to here someone give a Presidential speech, as you can't get one from the empty suit, big eared teleprompter reader. Thanks Cheney. Keep telling the truth, the liers can't hide from the truth.

Posted by: ignoranceisbliss | May 22, 2009 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Chris,

You hit the nail right on the head. Pelosi started to believe she was relevant when the Dems first pasted the vile and pernicious repugnicans. Now, her fat head full of delusions of grandeur, she is reaping the rewards of her stupidity.

P.S. And I am a loyal Democrat, but that doesn't mean I am an idiot.

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | May 22, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Just get over it everybody. Pelosi is not the first politician to get caught lying and certainly won't be the last.

Posted by: fury60 | May 22, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

The real problem for the Dems is Harry Reid's declining popularity in Nevada. He could lose his seat, and Nevada would lose a valued Speakership, but whoever said the voters of Nevada were entirely sane? Same thing happened to Tom Daschle in South Dakota.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Funny how yesterday's revelation that the ranking GOP Intel Committee member, Pete Hoekstra, had accused the CIA of lying to the Committee as recently as November of 2008.

It's the old GOP playbook -- take up a cry (it's better if there's no substance to it), and force your enemy to defend himself against it. That just ratchets public attention, and we discover all over again that there is such a thing as bad publicity.

They've been able to do nothing against Pelosi on real issues, so they're back to manufacturing them.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 22, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Hitler had a world view that proved to him that torture and murder were sane and necessary. Cheney does too. That doesn't make it right.

The CIA has been caught many, many times telling lies and most recently proven by Republicans in 2008 in a review of a 2001 case where Baptist missionaries were shot down in a drug program by the CIA and Peruvian officials.

Pelosi's version that she was told the techniques were developed, but were not used sounds reasonable to me. Whether she did know or not, she didn't order torture and she didn't torture anyone. This is not the issue. The Bush administration and Cheney ordering torture is.

Posted by: SuziCane | May 22, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi, for better or worse, isn't going anywhere. National approval ratings don't have the same significance for a House Speaker as they do for a President. As long as she's popular in her district, she's not going to lose her seat. There's nothing that can be done against her officially at the moment; the GOP doesn't have the votes and the Democrats aren't about to stage a coup against her.

That said, as an Obama suporter, I wouldn't be sad to see her go if it came to that - I sometimes worry that her strong liberal leanings could imperial the administration's ability to get certain things done.

Posted by: cjpotter19 | May 22, 2009 7:32 AM | Report abuse

"Republicans Try to Tar Pelosi"

Look, EVERYBODY has already tarred her.
She also tarred herself when she claimed miraculously-acquired divine powers to take
the impeachment for which impeachment was invented off her table.

Believe me, other people's tables still have plenty of room.
Indict Bush, Cheney and HER - now. As an opposition spokesperson, she was a dreadful disappointment.
As for the Republicans, they'll have to wait in line along with everybody else who wants Pelosi's head to roll.

Posted by: wardropper | May 22, 2009 7:31 AM | Report abuse

How did this sleazy little weasel, Newt Gingrich, avoid jail time??

Wasn't he convicted of several crimes while in office and forced to resign?

Republicans are such laughable hypocrites!

Posted by: Neo-Conartists | May 22, 2009 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi tarred herself.

It's clear that Democratic leadership was aware of waterboarding, and didn't feel the need to stop the policy. It was used on exactly three detainees. Three.

Later, during political campaigns, they relabeled the policy "torture" and made a big deal out of it for political gain, while pretending to never have known about it.

Now, they wish to close GITMO, but in name only. They realize that they can't afford to risk public safety by letting the detainees go, so they're trying to horsetrade them to other countries, or to just move them to another location. It's just semantics, as some of the detainees will clearly continue to be held under essentially the same conditions.

The American people can't afford for public safety policy to be dictated by short term political gains in our two party system.

Posted by: postfan1 | May 22, 2009 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi is our best weapon for taking back the House in 2010, those caucas members will quickly turn on Nancy if she is carrying so much baggage she risks their seats. We are talking about career politicians, their own survival always trumps loyalty. My only fear is we damage her so much the dems dump her for Steny Hoyer. He comes across as more reasonable, less partisan and more of a grown up than Nancy.

Posted by: vbhoomes | May 22, 2009 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Seems Gingrich himself is probably one of the most vocal critics of Pelosi today. He's been calling for her to step down.

Posted by: DDAWD | May 22, 2009 6:31 AM | Report abuse

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