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That's President Barack Obama's job approval number in the Gallup daily tracking poll, the highest he has been since the start of August.

Obama's improving poll numbers come at a critical time for his Administration on the foreign and domestic fronts.

The planned overhaul of the health care system continues to move through the Congress with a vote expected in the Senate Finance Committee tomorrow.

Sharp divides still remain within the Democratic caucus about the necessity (or lack thereof) of a public option in the bill, and the insurance industry appears to have turned against the Administration -- issuing a report suggesting that health care costs will rise under the Obama plan.

On the foreign front, Afghanistan looms as the President continues to mull next steps in the country -- caught between liberal Democrats who want troops pulled out and many Republicans who want troop levels increased.

The new numbers out of Gallup suggest that Obama's political hand will be strengthened in the final days of both of these debates -- perhaps providing him with much needed leverage to keep his party in line.

The stronger Obama's job approval numbers are, the more he -- and his senior aides -- can make the case to wavering members of Congress that their smart course of action in terms of raw politics is to support him.

To be sure, one day or even a week's worth of positive polling data for the president does not constitute a sea change in the political atmosphere where Democrats have been on defense for the last several months.

But, the trend line is promising for the Obama Administration -- and Congressional Democrats -- who, as recently as a month ago, appeared to be in political free fall.

By Chris Cillizza  |  October 12, 2009; 12:00 PM ET
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I don't argue in favor of banning anyone (time outs might be a better idea). I think it's rich for either G&T or Snowy to complain about that given the history of their previous identities.

I think it eliminates any chance of a discussion when three posters make up 2/3 of all posts. Eventually, everyone else gives up. I tend to compose a few thoughts and post them (yes, I'll vote for Deeds, but not with great enthusiasm).

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 13, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the Post Count over on Friday's "Nobel" thread too. If GoldAndTanzanite REALLY think 89 posts are 1/10 of his "normal" post count, that simply boggles the mind!

Posted by: JakeD | October 13, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

The Nobel Peace Prize thread actually had more comments from him, but I guess if GoldAndTanzanite is really only posting 1/10 as often (instead of 200 posts on this thread), 20 posts is a vast improvement.

Posted by: JakeD | October 13, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

It's tricky to pick out a way forward that is technologically feasible for the Post without having a moderator.

==

Nothing tricky about it. You either ban the trolls or you end up shutting down the forum. There are no alternatives. Comment limits will end up frustrating the real contributors since the trolls always maintain multiple accounts to "support" themselves.

Me, I'm busy on an important and time-sensitive project, putting in 50+ hour weeks lately and making major buckage, buying a lương of gold every week with the extra cash. Not a lot of time to play footsies with a pair of idiots and there's not a lot going on here between the troll posts.

If the pedophilia stuff gets no reaction from "our gracious host" then what we have is not a forum in any meaningful sense, it's a playground, and I'm not putting real work into posting at a playground.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 13, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm picking this thread as the most heavily posted. Mostly as evidence of the comments section going downhill. 2/3 of posts from three contributers, mostly an ugly back and forth. This is as bad as it ever got in August, complete with pedophilia references.

It's tricky to pick out a way forward that is technologically feasible for the Post without having a moderator. Perhaps something along the lines of simply limiting posts to every nth comment. A simple you posted here, please let someone else have a chance response.

Otherwise, the comments section will degenerate Jake & Snow vs
G&T (or possibly the Jake & Snow show if G&T gives up). It's an open question to the Post's online editorial staff. My guess is that the online comments section drives people here. I'm sure Jake and Snow are having a grand old time. However, this is just a digital tragedy of the commons.

Oh, yeah. To the line!

25 JakeD
20 GoldAndTanzanite
14 snowbama
6 shrink2
3 2 posters
2 5 posters
1 4 posters

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 13, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

snowbama:

If she's only posting 1/10 as often, that means she was posting 160 times on a Saturday night?!

Posted by: JakeD | October 13, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

angriestdogintheworld:

Wasn't this supposed to go on the next thread? You see, no one deleted it. Unless you think that "directed energy laser weapons" caused it to be posted on the wrong thread?

Posted by: JakeD | October 13, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

The most underated Senator was/is Pat Leahy... who spoke out against the march to war in Iraq, called out Justice on Torture (got cussed out by Veep) and ran investigations of DOJ appointees and was the only Senator to nail Speedy Gonzalez with the "liar" lable. Yey... Cilizza supplies his own list and lets us vote on his pivots. I've been in politics since the '70's and I know the issues and the players. That should be a asset, but we are relegated to pimping for an uninformed opinion. Cilizza is losing a very important audience in D.C., and it is a real shame. And I'm not saying we need to get rid of JakeD, I'm saying don't allow him/her/it to moderate. Maybe Catholic U is like Liberty and and the other Christian religious schools, and Cilizza cares not for the view of others that went to prestigious political schools, but you are disengaging a significant portion of the debate spectrum. Just a shame WaPo has turned over the Blog section to the little religious school mentality.... there is so much more.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 13, 2009 2:49 AM | Report abuse

You're wrong about that, zouk, it does affect me. I post about a tenth as much here as I used to, and when I do post I'm much less likely to put any serious thought into a post, much less put any serious work into writing it. Since most of what goes on here is wheeny-wagging by you and JakeD, trying to have a real discussion in here is like trying to whisper in front of the stage at a rock concert.

Congratulations, you two dummies have managed to take down another forum. It really isn't very hard for uh people like you, all you do is copy-paste and write a string of middle-school-level putdowns, and all JakeD does is his same half dozen posts about himself. It's hard to composes a piece of music, it's easy to be a foghorn. You two are foghorns.

Jake is probably on psych disability and you are almost certainly institutionalized, so you have nothing else making demands on your time. You can hoot and howl all day long, and hoot and howl you do.

I no longer care about the whole banning thing; you two azzwipes won't let anyone get a word in edgewise and the insults coming from both of you are sick, disgusting, shocking .. but never clever, never funny, never inventive. You're just a pair of numbskulls with way too much free time.

I hope they lobotomize you.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 13, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

And yet no effect on you.

Posted by: snowbama | October 12, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Two trolls, posting away, posting all day, clogging the blog with juvenile goads.

No wonder so many have left.

Happy, Chris?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama's message for the week:

big bad fox news has been mean to me. Waaaahh

sounds like the libs on this board. When did Libs get so weak?

Posted by: snowbama | October 12, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Just as soon as you post here no more than FIVE TIMES on a Saturday night ; )

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I wish that your imagination was thankfully silent a little more often.

==

drink Drano, Jake

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

emmet1 and I only posted 5 times each during that same time frame. Again, who lives elsewhere on a Saturday night?

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

You mean GoldAndTanzanite posting this past Saturday night 16 TIMES between 9:44 PM and 2:58 AM (claiming that "emmet1" should be out living life instead of haunting The Fix)?!

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/white-house/obama-keeps-his-eye-on-the-pri.html

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I imagine a helpless Vietnam boy. I imagine a lonely old friendless geezer looking for love. I imagine fear and helplessness in the boys eyes. I imagine the geezer feels powerful. I imagine he'll retire to that communist hole where he can advance his perversion. I imagine his self loathing is evident across his life.

Posted by: snowbama | October 12, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Sad but true. One day, this blog basically had one troll talking to himself in about 10 or 11 consecutive posts.
________

happens every Saturday while
ms lonely waits for a friend.

Posted by: snowbama | October 12, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I wish that your imagination was thankfully silent a little more often.

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

But there are too many racist signs at rallies and too many overtly racial pronouncements in the fever swamps of the right-wing media to deny that racism is part of the anti-Obama mix."

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Well when you have people insisting that Obama was born in *Africa* with zero evidence to back them it's hardly facile to conclude that they are nothing but racist swine.

Nice to know that such lousy people are unhappy. They certainly deserve to be.

As for this forum, it's an inescapable conclusion that the two trolls are sanctioned for some reason. That isn't unusual. On NetSlaves the one troll secured some Chamber of Commerce server biz for one of the admins in exchange for a permanent exception to the no-trolling rule.

I wonder what JakeD has to offer ChrisC? My imagination is thankfully silent. I doubt the "gracious host" brown-nosing is enough.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Oh, sure, you pick the ONE thread where "drindl" only posted once!

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

joe and angrydog -- i see that the number of posts in each thread is dwindling, and that they are almost all Joked and snowflaky. So a boycott is already effectively happening. I have engaged remarks with dozens of people who;ve said they can't be bothered to wade through the Two Trolls anymore and left.

This blog will have exactly 2 readers in a few weeks or months.

Posted by: drindl | October 12, 2009 4:17 PM
___

Sad but true. One day, this blog basically had one troll talking to himself in about 10 or 11 consecutive posts.
________

Here's some good insight from EJ Dionne today in the online Post, sounding themes discussed before by Gene Robinson, MoDo, Frank Rich, Dr. Rachel Maddow, and others.

Excerpt:

"Most Americans will probably be happy to have a leader who wins acclaim around the globe [referring to the Nobel Prize won by BHO]. But, paradoxically, a decision made in Oslo to honor Obama's peaceable intentions may make it more difficult for him to reconcile a body politic roiled by years of cultural warfare, partisan animosity and ideological extremism.

The effort to understand where Obama hatred comes from has been one of the few growth areas in the American economy.

There is no doubt that some of the anger is fueled by racial feeling, which is not the same as saying that all opposition to Obama is explained by racism. Most Obama opponents are simply conservative Republicans who disagree with him. But there are too many racist signs at rallies and too many overtly racial pronouncements in the fever swamps of the right-wing media to deny that racism is part of the anti-Obama mix."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/11/AR2009101101556.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 12, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

No shock from the comments section, it's Jake & Snow back slapping each other. Meanwhile, the real news, that the free fall was as much a mirage as those early numbers, escapes them. Obama at the low to mid 50s and rising bucks up wavering blue dogs. Those are the votes that count.

BB

Count Name
18 JakeD
16 GoldAndTanzanite
10 snowbama
6 shrink2
1 or 2 everyone else

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 12, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!!

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I have engaged remarks with dozens of people who;ve said they can't be bothered to wade through the Two Trolls anymore and left.

Posted by: drivl

there goes those voices in her head again.

Posted by: snowbama | October 12, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Not that you care about ordinary people. You're far more concerned that the rich are too poor than that the poor are too poor.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite


Everyday is halloween in liberal lala land. I would fall over in shock if this loony tunes every argued from a position of fact instead of invoking the boogeyman, and extrapolating any kind of negative perception on your adversaries.

By the way, what book am I reading today, actually, just looking at the pictures before I use it to prop open the door?

and can you get hold of my dead aunt, I need to know where she hid her pearls.

Posted by: snowbama | October 12, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Since some people can afford an extra $140 per month, they think that everyone can. Here I am looking out for the little people!

==

"Little people" currently have no medical insurance and are forced to use the emergency room, often far later in their illness than they would given insurance. Deferred treatment not only costs more, it's often less effective.

Not that you care about ordinary people. You're far more concerned that the rich are too poor than that the poor are too poor.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Can't you find a real source? Someone not in the business buisiness?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite


Head down to the local ACORN office. they have all sorts of accounting expertise that liberals love. I bet you can service your other desire while you're there. underage foreigners are running amok. a one stop shop for crooked perverts.

Posted by: snowbama | October 12, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"Clearly an on-topic comment here would be a waste of my time."

Oh, thanks Dad.

Usually when I feel that way about a post-it site, I don't actually go ahead and waste the time anyway.

But do you really have something important to say about the Gallup numbers? Did we miss the Democrat free fall and astonishing rebound in the last few weeks? C'mon, get a sense of humor.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 12, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Since some people can afford an extra $140 per month, they think that everyone can. Here I am looking out for the little people!

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

(from PriceWaterhouse study just released today)

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Can't you find a real source? Someone not in the business buisiness?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Pretty soon, you add that all up, and we're talking some real money ; )

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

"Several major provisions in the current legislative proposal will cause health care costs to increase far faster and higher than they would under the current system," Karen Ignagni, the top industry lobbyist in Washington, wrote in a memo to insurance company CEOs.

The study projected that in 2019, family premiums could be $4,000 higher and individual premiums could be $1,500 higher.

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

An average of $1700 more per family in increased healthcare insurance premiums

==

That's about $140 per month. Some people spend more than that on potato chips.

Probably a lot for you, though.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Going Rogue will end up on the remainders table by Christmas.

You kidding? It'll be in remainders two weeks after release.

There'll be a flood of buying on the first day by customers who will make needlessly loud remarks about Obama in the store, the second day there will be a few more sales, and for the rest of the week almost none. The next week there will be none at all.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

An average of $1700 more per family in increased healthcare insurance premiums will bring Obama's Gallup poll ratings to a new low:

http://www.yahoo.com/s/1145183

(from PriceWaterhouse study just released today)

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I meant to write "an extra $1700 per year"

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

This isn't about "trickle-down" theory. Do you honestly think that the average American family can afford $1700 MORE in healthcare insurance premiums?!

==

How would you know? You're on SSI.

People who have to work and who have jobs are sometimes between jobs and people in that circumstance often have to pay for a COBRA. No, Jake, that isn't an Indian snake, it's an extension of medical benefits paid entirely by the insuree. They tend to cost in excess of $600 per month.

Some people are paying $2400 a month for medical insurance for their families.

An "extra" $1700 per month, even were it true, would not be that much.

And of course, coming as it does from you, it's a lie.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

This comments section was supposedly about the Gallup Poll, not the usual subjects throwing spitballs at each other.

Clearly an on-topic comment here would be a waste of my time. Do try not to kill each other whilst the adults backs are turned, kids.

Posted by: sverigegrabb | October 12, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

SPEAKING OF COLUMBUS DAY...

So contractor blog spammers don't get federal holidays off? Tell your handlers it's just not fair!

***

HOW HOMELAND SECURITY- ADMINISTERED 'FUSION CENTERS' USE WARRANTLESS SURVEILLANCE TO HARASS AND CENSOR U.S. CITIZENS

Is Secretary Napolitano naive, misinformed, or complicit?

http://nowpublic.com/world/how-u-s-spy-ops-censor-web-political-speech

OR (if link is sabotaged):

http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 12, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

drindl:

Given 784 votes -- unless someone is voting 783 times -- on the current Fix Poll question (and 5,024 votes on the previous Fix Poll question), I doubt that the number of readers are Mr. Cillizza's biggest concerns. GO CATHOLIC U!!!

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

snowbama:

Now if we can just get the two girls to finally stick with their boycott, The Fix would return to normal.

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Everybody who has so little to do as to populate this site knows what I think about the health care stimulus bills.

If I trash talk it any more, you'll think I'm gooing rouge.

The money is already spent though. We are going to create and consume health care, our national identity is getting wrapped around an industry that can not be stopped. Corporate lobbying is protected speech.
We have bipartisan agreement on how the founding fathers envisioned the role of K Street. Usually the only difference between the parties is who feeds them and whom they feed; but in this case, the industry is so big, it is both and both.


Posted by: shrink2 | October 12, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

shrink2:

This isn't about "trickle-down" theory. Do you honestly think that the average American family can afford $1700 MORE in healthcare insurance premiums?!

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

When the dow overwhelms 10,000 and speeds on to 11, it will be because America hopes to change.

We haven't yet, everything is the same, but we do want to; America, the country that hopes, a lot. And you say Obama accomplished nothing. Why if Reagan was right in more ways than one, if trickle down works that is, the middle class will be fully employed by 2010.

Politics, like the value of money is all about confidence. Republicans are pessimistic. They stored up a lot of ammo, that is what they accomplished this year.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 12, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Going Rogue will end up on the remainders table by Christmas and Palin's presidential aspirations will be right there with them.

The pulp mills will be flooded by Valentine's Day.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 12, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

joe and angrydog -- i see that the number of posts in each thread is dwindling, and that they are almost all Joked and snowflaky. So a boycott is already effectively happening. I have engaged remarks with dozens of people who;ve said they can't be bothered to wade through the Two Trolls anymore and left.

This blog will have exactly 2 readers in a few weeks or months.

Posted by: drindl | October 12, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

* Sarah Palin has made herself available to the Republican gubernatorial campaigns in Virginia and New Jersey. Neither, apparently, want to be associated with the former Alaska governor.

* Similarly, in California, Carly Fiorina was asked about her own associations with Palin. She told reporters, "I've never met Sarah Palin. Next question."

==

Gee you'd think someone who could get 75 million votes would have lesser candidates fighting theit way to the front of the line to get their "pitchers made" with Palin.

Maybe they need to hear from JakeD. He seems to be the one with the straight dope on the next election

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

the most important number is the dwindling number of people tuning in for their daily Fix of Fox TV repuglican regurgitation from Cilliza. Fellow posters... it is not so much we need to boycott Cilizza, but demand an opposing view. We need a Fix for Democrats and Cilizza can spend all his time pumping up the repuglicans. Yes, I know he is going to throw me of this thread but it has to be said.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 12, 2009 3:12 PM
________

Hold-off. Wait and see whether the re-typing of RNC talking points and GOP candidates' press advisories continues and citation of cherry picked anti-BHO polls continues...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 12, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Jaked - what the Libs did to housing and securities, they now wish to enact on health care. Next up - the military.

==

How about you guys get a room and favor one another with your prurient attentions, and leave the rest of us alone

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Courtesy Steve Benen:

* Sarah Palin has made herself available to the Republican gubernatorial campaigns in Virginia and New Jersey. Neither, apparently, want to be associated with the former Alaska governor.

* Similarly, in California, Carly Fiorina was asked about her own associations with Palin. She told reporters, "I've never met Sarah Palin. Next question."

Posted by: nodebris | October 12, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Jaked - what the Libs did to housing and securities, they now wish to enact on health care. Next up - the military.

Posted by: snowbama | October 12, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

An average of $1700 more per family in increased healthcare insurance premiums will bring Obama's Gallup poll ratings to a new low:

http://www.yahoo.com/s/1145183

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a problem with Chris C tilting right. I just wish he would clean up the comments section a bit. These guys are like teabaggers or town hall shouters. There aren't many of them, but man, they are disruptive.

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.. and repetitive

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

angriestdogintheworld:

I doubt that our gracious host will ban you (and you can always come back under a different name just like "chrisfox8" did ; )

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

See what happens when you leave the door open, Chris?

All kinds of bums wander in, they take dumps on the floor, piss on the walls.

Reap what you sow.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

snowbama:

Maybe those Dems want to be re-elected? Supposedly, healthcare insurance premiums for a single person would go up by $600 more than would be the case without the legislation, a PricewaterhouseCoopers analysis concluded in a new study commissioned by the insurance group.

"Several major provisions in the current legislative proposal will cause health care costs to increase far faster and higher than they would under the current system," Karen Ignagni, the top industry lobbyist in Washington, wrote in a memo to insurance company CEOs.

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"the most important number is the dwindling number of people tuning in for their daily Fix of Fox TV repuglican regurgitation from Cilliza. Fellow posters... it is not so much we need to boycott Cilizza, but demand an opposing view. We need a Fix for Democrats and Cilizza can spend all his time pumping up the repuglicans. Yes, I know he is going to throw me of this thread but it has to be said.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld"

I don't have a problem with Chris C tilting right. I just wish he would clean up the comments section a bit. These guys are like teabaggers or town hall shouters. There aren't many of them, but man, they are disruptive.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 12, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

That 169 million number is outdated. MSNBC reported 184 million registered voters (maybe the difference is from ACORN fraud ; )

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27459551/

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The Dems have had the votes from day one. the only reason this law has not passed is either:

It is an utterly idiotic attempt to ruin everything

OR

the Dem leadership is so inept, they can"t even manage to win a vote with all the cards in their hand.

Pick one. why is this ineptitude not the story?

I'll take all of the above Alex.

Posted by: snowbama | October 12, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Just wait until you read her book ...

==

Why would he or anyone read "her" book?

You guys buy them as an act of defiance, but READ them? Whatever for>

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

snowbama:

There were 169 million registered voters last year, but how many of them actually voted. "Going Rogue" is going to make the case to all of those 100+ million Americans who didn't vote for Obama (I'm sure she would get more than 10% Democrats too ; )

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Where are you going to find 75 million Americans so destructive of their own lives and so despising of their country they'd vote for some stupid

>>>>>>>>>>

you mean people who would vote for someone bent on surrendering to our enemies. someone intent on furthering an economic decline to the tune of over 10% or even 20% unemployment, just so socialism can rule?

Well that sounds a lot like liberals but I don't really think they are bright enough to know what is going on. After all, they voted for a guy who can't tie his own shoes without a teleprompter instructing him. but he is good looking and quite charming. that's enough for me.

Posted by: snowbama | October 12, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

shrink2:

Just wait until you read her book ...

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin wouldn't get 25 million votes -- she would get 75 million votes.

==

"Dear Mr. Fantasy
Play us a tune
Something to make us all happy

Do anything take us out of this gloom
Sing a song, play guitar
Make it snappy"
-- Traffic

Where would those other 50 million votes from from, "JakeD?"

What constituencies, what percentages?

Where are you going to find 75 million Americans so destructive of their own lives and so despising of their country they'd vote for some stupid harpy like Palin to finish it off?

You're delusional as well as stupid.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

hope to change

That is actually funny. Congratulations.

But, I bet you would get more votes for a stuffed shirt that campaigned exactly as you describe than if you run either of those other three. They just can not deliver a message of(hope to)change, they can't. Only Jindal and McCain are worse.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 12, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin wouldn't get 25 million votes -- she would get 75 million votes.

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Actually shrink, we have a stealth candidate you have never heard of. It turns out that not having EVER done anything of merit is now the path to higher office. In about a year or two we wil reveal the person by crafting a big speech to be given on our network over at Fox, complete with fawning coverage and wall to wall compliments.

and as you know, since we have the highest ratings, the left stream media will be caught off guard, as usual, and will end up digging through dumpsters for things their viewers are interested in.

the theme will be hope to change redux. that is change back to sanity, prosperity, low taxes, foreign victory, etc. all with no actual proof we will ever do it.

Posted by: snowbama | October 12, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

You would think with all this pep and vinegar, Republicans could develop a candidate who can get off Facebook long enough to read some books. Get someone that can give the Club for Growth the finger and develop an American jobs creation scheme which involves something beyond drill baby drill and corporate tax cuts.

==

They can't. They can't back down from the far right small-town-bigot platform because to do so would be to concede that the FRSTBP of the last eight years had been a mistake. And we'll never forget when Bush was asked what mistakes he'd made.

These guys are trapped by their own insecurity. They have to appear infallible and so they're stuck with a losing platform and losing candidates.

Palin wouldn't get 25 million votes nationwide.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

the most important number is the dwindling number of people tuning in for their daily Fix of Fox TV repuglican regurgitation from Cilliza. Fellow posters... it is not so much we need to boycott Cilizza, but demand an opposing view. We need a Fix for Democrats and Cilizza can spend all his time pumping up the repuglicans. Yes, I know he is going to throw me of this thread but it has to be said.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | October 12, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I wonder whether the Republicans are really serious about Palin, Romney and Pawlenty as their A list for 2012? C'mon. You can do better than that. I double dare you.

Have you nothing but a reactionary platform in mind? We can either vote for Palin, to try to return America to a nostalgic (bigoted and jingoistic too) vision, or rerun Bush/Cheny in Romney and Pawlenty.

You would think with all this pep and vinegar, Republicans could develop a candidate who can get off Facebook long enough to read some books. Get someone that can give the Club for Growth the finger and develop an American jobs creation scheme which involves something beyond drill baby drill and corporate tax cuts.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 12, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Duck Libs, math ahead.

The insurance companies have now recognized that the Baucus bill constitutes a threat to them, and have commissioned PricewaterhouseCoopers to produce a study with the unsurprising conclusion that forcing insurers to take all comers will increase prices. Losing the insurers at this late hour is a blow to the White House's hopes of keeping key industries aboard as the Baucus bill approaches a Finance Committee vote tomorrow.

I noticed that at the last minute, Barry didn't win the prize in Econ. Must be bush's fault.

Posted by: snowbama | October 12, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

the pederast spent all night Saturday staring at the screen, waiting for a friend.

still no luck with that, huh?

Posted by: snowbama | October 12, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I see the usual gang of idiots is on board today.

==

yeah the "Obimbo" guy spent another dull weekend listening to mumblers responding to the TV

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Will rising Poll Numbers Give Obama the Resolve to End the Covert War Against the American People?

SECRET NATIONWIDE FED MULTI-AGENCY PROGRAM DEPLOYS SILENT, CLASSIFIED MICROWAVE/LASER RADIATION DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS SYSTEMS AGAINST 'TARGETED' U.S. CITIZENS

• Mind- and body-degrading electromagnetic assaults, vigilante warrantless GPS-activated "community stalking" harassment and vandalism, financial sabotage violate human and civil rights of thousands of unjustly targeted Americans nationwide...

...an ideologically-driven "slow-kill" genocide hiding in plain sight, its victims slandered as "delusional" -- why complicit federal and local authorities refuse to investigate government-enabled crimes against humanity and the Constitution.

WHEN WILL TEAM OBAMA REMOVE FROM POWER THE SABOTEURS AND DR. STANGELOVES -- THE BUSH-CHENEY HOLDOVERS -- WHO HAVE PERPETUATED WAR CRIMES AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america OR (if link is corrupted): http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE "GESTAPO USA" (see "stories").

Posted by: scrivener50 | October 12, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I see the usual gang of idiots is on board today.

Imagine the ratings when Obimbo finally records his first accomplishment.

Posted by: snowbama | October 12, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

56!!!!!!

Welcome back to the cause, CC...even if it may be for only one day. :)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | October 12, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

As opposed to Bush and the GOP, who merely faced an inexplicably delayed resurgence.

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Well I'm so excited about Tim Pawlenty running in 2012 that I wake up about seven times every night with my heart pounding in anticipation. I already bought a new pair of shoes to wear when I go door to door to express my enthusiasm to strangers.

Gosh it's going to be SO EXCITING

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

the Obama Administration -- and Congressional Democrats -- who, as recently as a month ago, appeared to be in political free fall."

This is foolish hyperbole, but its ok, we're used to that.

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"free fall" = week-to-week changes within the polls' margins of error

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | October 12, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"appeared to be in political free fall"

As opposed to Bush and the GOP, who merely faced an inexplicably delayed resurgence.

Posted by: nodebris | October 12, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

the Obama Administration -- and Congressional Democrats -- who, as recently as a month ago, appeared to be in political free fall."

This is foolish hyperbole, but its ok, we're used to that.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 12, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Armpeg, So sorry that your illusions are crumbling. Since you apparently didn't read the article, it's a Gallup poll. And since I couldn't resist, I checked out the Real Clear Politics polling summary. The approval ratings for Obama range from 49% to 56% with an average of 53%. The disapproval ratings excluding Rasmussen range from 36% to 41% with an average of 40% including Rasmussen. These numbers have been roughly stable for 2 months.

Even to you, the reason for a difference is obvious. Rasmussen doesn't allow someone to be undecided. Real numbers are 53% approval, 40% disapproval, and 7% undecided. Sorry, buddy, neutral doesn't mean opposed.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 12, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Let's see what happens this week first, especially earnings reports from JPMorgan Chase on Wednesday, followed by Citigroup and Goldman Sachs on Thursday and Bank of America on Friday. I am still not convinced that they are on solid financial ground yet.

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Folks have decided to stop listening to the crazies on the right and have actually taken stock of the relatively OK position the country is in right now.

And its hows that people pay more attention to their own personal finances and job situations (which are getting better) than to symbolic unemployment figures (nearing 10 percent).

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | October 12, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Looks like background noise to me. What's more interesting is how the approval rating has stabilized since August. Makes sense since the mid 50s is about what you'd expect to see for a President. 70 is way to high to last. It's also of note since August is when the Republicans have really been their most vitriolic towards Obama. However, their strategy just simply does not seem to be working.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 12, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

re. C.C.: "56 Barack Obama's job approval number"

The Rasmussen Daily Obama tracking poll, which has been the most accurate poll lately, has Obama's DISAPPROVAL numbers at 51%.

Zogby's latest (Aug. 21) has Obama's DISAPPROVAL also at 51%.

Checking Gallup's Obama ratings it has this: "...Obama's (DISAPPROVAL rating is) slightly below average job approval rating overall"

Question: So where is this Obama 56% approval number Chris?

Posted by: armpeg | October 12, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I think we need more than a couple days for a "trend line" : )

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

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