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The most important number in politics this weekend

8

That's the number of House Democrats voting against tonight's health care bill who represent districts carried by President Barack Obama during the 2008 election.

Of the eight, Obama's highest percentage came in Rep. Artur Davis' 7th district where he won 74 percent of the vote. Davis' vote is rightly understood through a political lens as, despite the overwhelming support for Obama in his district, he is running for governor of a conservative-leaning state next November and wants to safeguard against attacks from Republicans.

Six of the remaining seven members -- Reps. John Adler (N.J.), Brian Baird (Wash.), John Barrow (Ga.), Larry Kissell (N.C.), Scott Murphy (N.Y.) and Glenn Nye (Va.) -- represent districts where the President took 55 percent or less in 2008, making their decision to vote "no" strategically defensible

(The last Democratic member holding an Obama district to vote against the bill was Rep. Dennis Kucinich who, as we all know, is tough to predict.)

That means -- for you non-math majors out there -- that 31 of the 39 Democrats who voted against the bill represent seats won by Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) last fall.

And who says there are no politics in policy debates?!

Check out the full list of Democrats who voted "no" tonight after the jump.

BOLD indicates a district carried by Obama

Rep. John Adler (N.J.) Obama 52, McCain 47
Rep. Jason Altmire (Pa.) McCain 55, Obama 44
Rep. Brian Baird (Wash.) Obama 53, McCain 47
Rep. John Barrow (Ga.) Obama 55, McCain 44
Rep. John Boccieri (Ohio) McCain 50, Obama 48
Rep. Dan Boren (Okla.) McCain 66, Obama 34
Rep. Allen Boyd (Fla.) McCain 54, Obama 45
Rep. Bobby Bright (Ala.) McCain 63, Obama 37
Rep. Rick Boucher (Va.) McCain 59, Obama 40
Rep. Ben Chandler (Ky.) McCain 55, Obama 43
Rep. Travis Childers (Miss.) McCain 62, Obama 38
Rep. Artur Davis (Ala.) Obama 74, McCain 26
Rep. Lincoln Davis (Tenn.) McCain 64, Obama 35
Rep. Chet Edwards (Texas) McCain 67, Obama 32
Rep. Bart Gordon (Tenn.) McCain 62, Obama 37
Rep. Parker Griffith (Ala.) McCain 61, Obama 38
Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (S.D.) McCain 53, Obama 45
Rep. Tim Holden (Pa.) McCain 51, Obama 48
Rep. Larry Kissell (N.C.) Obama 52, McCain 47
Rep. Suzanne Kosmas (Fla.) McCain 51, Obama 49
Rep. Frank Kratovil (Md.) McCain 59, Obama 40
Rep. Dennis Kucinich (Ohio) Obama 59, McCain 39
Rep. Betsy Markey (Colo.) McCain 50, Obama 49
Rep. Jim Marshall (Ga.) McCain 56, Obama 43
Rep. Eric Massa (N.Y.) McCain 51, Obama 48
Rep. Jim Matheson (Utah) McCain 58, Obama 40
Rep. Mike McIntyre (N.C.) McCain 52, Obama 47
Rep. Michael McMahon (N.Y.) McCain 51, Obama 49
Rep. Charlie Melancon (La.) McCain 61, Obama 37
Rep. Walt Minnick (Idaho) McCain 62, Obama 36
Rep. Scott Murphy (N.Y.) Obama 51, McCain 48
Rep. Glenn Nye (Va.) Obama 51, McCain 49
Rep. Collin Peterson (Minn.) McCain 50, Obama 47
Rep. Mike Ross (Ark.) McCain 58, Obama 39
Rep. Heath Shuler (N.C.) McCain 52, Obama 47
Rep. Ike Skelton (Mo.) McCain 60, Obama 38
Rep. John Tanner (Tenn.) McCain 56, Obama 43
Rep. Gene Taylor (Miss.) McCain 67, Obama 32
Rep. Harry Teague (N.M.) McCain 50, Obama 49

By Chris Cillizza  |  November 7, 2009; 11:57 PM ET
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"and the breakup of Czechoslovakia and the genocide and mass graves without the US coming over and doing the heavy lifting (once again) - stunning actually. "

Stunning ignorance from to_robert.

The breakup of Czechoslovakia was entirely peaceful. No US einvolvement.

Posted by: strum | November 9, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

'Is there evidence from other remarks that would suggest Pawlenty knows anything about foreign policy? The more I search, the more discouraging the results. There are not many results, and those that I do find confirm my impression that he doesn’t know anything and has compensated by echoing the most ridiculous criticisms of the current administration. Pawlenty just launched his Freedom First PAC, which is not primarily concerned with foreign policy, but in his first conference call for the PAC he kept harping on the missile defense decision. This tells me that the primary debates are probably going to be dominated by candidates trying to out-do one another in hawkish ignorance. Pawlenty’s off to a good start in that respect.'

ƒrom the american conservative -- haha.

Posted by: drindl | November 9, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Only the Obama worshipping hypocritical aholes on here would be so "shocked, shocked" to see a sign among the conservative Tea Party demonstrators protesting that: "...brandished a large graphic photograph of the victims of the Dachau Nazi concentration camp, comparing (Comrade Obama's) health care reform to Nazi policies".
It's a shock to these Democrap Socialist far-lefties (actually Communists, Socialists, and Nazi Brownshirts, depending on degree of fanatism, cloaking themselves in the liberal mantel), because they're not used to seeing, the American people demonstrating PEACEABLY, WITHOUT ANY VIOLENCE, AND OBAYING THE LAWS OF THE LAND.
When they demonstrate there is always, always violence, rocks thrown at the police or our men in uniform, they being spat on and called all kinds of vile names, public property is destroyed, cars and busses overturned and windshields or other glass broken, stores broken into, looted and the owners property stolen, fights among themselves with hundreds in Emergency rooms in Hospitals, and last but not least mountains of trash. What they're not used to seeing is honest hard working American citizens, peacefully protesting the Communist Obama takeover policies without the violence and barbarian savagery that they use. And also what they're not used to, is the American people demonstrating at these Tea Parties picking up their own trash and leaving the areas neat and clean. Now that must be a real shock to them.

Posted by: armpeg | November 9, 2009 3:27 AM | Report abuse

Drivl is offended.

When bush was the target she was offensive.

Typical lib hypocrite.

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

A 60 year old weapon. That's the best you can do? I'll give you the military. And it's even constitutional.

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

I saw this, and thought, about time. How long was he going to keep ignoring this blasphemy?

'At yesterday's tea party rally on Capitol Hill, at least one protester brandished a large graphic photograph of the victims of the Dachau Nazi concentration camp, comparing health care reform to Nazi policies. Today, Rep. Eric Cantor's (R-VA) spokesman called the photograph "inappropriate."

Rep. Steve Israel (D-NY) has also condemned the poster.

Cantor, in an interview today with Bloomberg, also offered some criticism of radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh's comparison of President Obama to Adolf Hitler.

"Do I condone the mention of Hitler in any discussion about politics?" said Cantor, who is the only Jewish Republican in Congress. "No, I don't, because obviously that is something that conjures up images that frankly are not, I think, very helpful."

In a climate where Republicans who criticize Limbaugh come crawling back on their knees (see TPM's "Forgive Me Rush" photo feature), Cantor's office has pointed reporters to the story, emailing the link to Glenn Thrush's post on Cantor's remarks.

It's worth noting that Limbaugh made the comment in question -- "Adolf Hitler, like Barack Obama, also ruled by dictate" -- on Aug. 6. Cantor at the time did not respond publicly to calls from Jewish groups to condemn the remarks.'

Posted by: drindl | November 8, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Snowball wrote: Name one.

A: The Manhattan Project. Boom!

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 8, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Mr. President: "First, Do No Harm." End these inhumane, draconian programs NOW -- by executive order.

SECRET MULTI-AGENCY FED PROGRAM SILENTLY TORTURES, IMPAIRS, PERSECUTES U.S. CITIZENS WITH MICROWAVE/LASER RADIATION AND LOCAL VIGILANTISM, SAYS MAINSTREAM JOURNALIST

* Thousands of Americans, deemed to be "dissidents" or undesirables, targeted by Bush legacy program for debilitating microwave/laser assault, held hostage in their own homes to fed-supported vigilante "community policing" stalking units, equipped with warrantless GPS devices, who vandalize and terrorize as local police look the other way.

* "Directed energy weapons," portable units and a nationwide installation employing cell towers and satellites, induce weakness, exhaustion, head and body aches, physical and neurological impairment, strokes, aneurysms, cancer -- and many victims do not realize what is making them sick.

* Regional Homeland Security- administered "fusion centers" reportedly serve as command centers for covert electromagnetic radiation attacks, pervasive surveillance, financial sabotage of those identified as "dissidents," "trouble-makers" or slandered as threats to society.

* Use of microwave weaponry to torture and impair political opponents recently confirmed by deposed Honduras President Manuel Zelaya.

* Pleas for justice, to local police and FBI, go unanswered -- as do demands for a Department of Justice Civil Rights Division investigation and congressional hearings.

"These are crimes against humanity and the Constitution, being perpetrated under the cover of national security and 'safe streets' by multiple federal and local agencies and commands -- an American genocide hiding in plain sight, enabled by the naivete of those who think 'it can't happen here.'" -- Victor Livingston, former reporter for WTXF-TV Philadelphia, Phila. Bulletin, N.Y. Daily News, St. Petersburg Times; producer/host, MSG Network Sports Business Report; columnist, NowPublic.com/scrivener.

JOURNO TO FBI: SEIZE CONTROL OF DHS-RUN FUSION CENTERS
TO STOP SILENT MICROWAVE / LASER ATTACKS ON U.S. CITIZENS

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-tortures-me-silent-microwave-weapons-ousted-s-prez
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america OR (if links are corrupted / disabled): http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | November 8, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Just as a fun aside, the House bill passed by two votes. Last week two Democrats were voted into office. Turns out those elections really were important after all.

Posted by: thecorinthian | November 8, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I don't disagree with the number of Democrats in Obama-carried districts opposing Health Reform as significant.

However, I would suggest that of even greater interest is the number of Democrats from McCain-carried districts who, like freshman Tom Perriello of Virginia, supported Health Reform.

Anyone else notice that after the 218 total had been reached on the roll-call, in fact with the count at 219-214, that there remained one Republican and one Democrat not voting. The Republican vote wound up in favor of HR 3962, so we know it was Anh Cao of Louisiana. My question would be who cast that final Democratic vote in opposition to the bill? I am guessing that was Kucinich.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | November 8, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I am very excited about how the health spending bill is going to change this country. It will be a really good thing.
In the medium term, the budget problems it will force are going to cause a lot of things people thought important, or at least worth it, to fall away. It will feel risky.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 8, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DDAWD | November 8, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

margaret... not only were they long, but they violated congressional rules. But Rs think laws only apply to other people.

Posted by: drindl | November 8, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

nett @ 2:18, I think you have described the process more accurately than snowy. Obama wants his congress to continue to have a Democratic majority. If that means letting some Reps in tight situations make a vote that appeases a segment of their district, so be it. All they wanted was enough, not every.

Remember how Bush and his cornies would put the thumb screws to the GOP on the Hill to get complete compliance? Those lllllonnnnnggggg votes were sad.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | November 8, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

The term works has certain implications about not going broke every few years and actually accomlishing something useful.

Care to try again.

Posted by: snowbama | November 8, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

nutty as they come...


Behold. The first time drivl posted on a topic for which she has a lifetime of experience.

Posted by: snowbama | November 8, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Name just one government program that has worked? Let's see:

Social Security
GI Bill
Civilian Conservation Corp
Works Progress Administration
Pell Grants
FDIC
National Park System
VA healthcare
SCHIP health insurance for poor kids
Marshall Plan (and Berlin airlift)
Head Start
Federal benefits program
Wage & Hour laws
Unemployment benefits (federal/state collaboration)
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
National Institutes of Health

(and Medicare, problems and all, has led to the one of the healthiest populations of senior citizens among industrialized nations--compared with where we rank in other health measures. So as far as achieving its goal, that works, too.)

Posted by: KP-Dallas | November 8, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

'our capitalist Representative Republican form of government,'

jeez this armpit character is nutty as they come...

Posted by: drindl | November 8, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cillizza and the rest of the Obama worshippers whining about 39 Democrats voting against Comrade Obama nationalizing our health care industry, and putting all of America's private companies out of business (no private company can compete against a government with unlimited funds and the power to make laws in their favor), they should be applauded for doing so.

What these 39 REAL Democrats did was to stand up for our freedoms, and our capitalist Representative Republican form of government, and against the Socialist/Communist one Comrade Obama and the Democrap Socialist Party members are trying to change our government into.

Posted by: armpeg | November 8, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

When drindl suggests that I don't know what I'm talking about, I'll assume he's referring to the Costs of the Wars.

http://www.costofwar.com/

Check it out....$929 billion

Obama's stimulus started out at $787 billion when passed, but we're up to $1.2 trillion when you add in Cash for Clunkers and the numerous extensions of unemployment benefits, along with servicing the debt, we've surpassed that mightily.

NOt to mention...do you really think that all of the temporary programs enacted in the stimulus are truly "temporary"? Congress doesn't know HOW to create a temporary program!

CBO puts the true cost of the stimulus at $3.27 TRILLION, given these considerations.

And, wow, we're getting so much out of it, too....

Posted by: boosterprez | November 8, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Dennis K. of Ohio just proved that he's a nut job and should never be taken seriously. If you can't get something done to a cetrtain degree try to move the goal post closer. That being said, I do understand his ethics but still, he needs a clue.

Posted by: crrobin | November 8, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

..."Well America it just goes to show you Democrats are on your side, "WE JUST PASSED THE BIGGEST PIECE/LEGISLATION/FOR/AMERICA/IN/40/YEARS!

..."This is what I and millions like me have been fighting for, "WE DID IT!

..."The Key to Change.."The Great Sociologist Dr. Emile Durkhime onces said, "IS TO SPEAK UP..."AND SPEAK OUT AGAINST PUBLIC MADNESS, "AND NOT BE AFRAID."---Durkhime

..."Now you see why I write and why I speak up and speak out...

..."Sincerely, TOmmy Birchfield, Voter/Vet USAF, Graduate Student, Master's Program
EAST TENNESSEE STATE UNIVERSITY/CLASS/2010.

Posted by: ztcb41 | November 8, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Jmil at 12:13 a.m. had an interesting comment in suggesting a listing of "yes" votes from Dems whose district was pro-McCain or near to evenly divided with a slight Obama win.

The same applies to Reps who voted "no" in pro-Obama districts, or near to evenly divided with with a slight McCain win.

That said, we all know that vote trading is done, and that some of the Dem "no" votes would have swung the other way if they were really needed.

In the Senate, the only vote that matters is the filibuster vote. A "no" vote Dem on the main bill who votes for cloture is, in my opinion, just a game-player.

Posted by: nettt | November 8, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are “terrified of government programs that work” because it threatens the myths they have built up."

as if a govermemt program ever worked.

Name one.

Posted by: snowbama | November 8, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Drivl and the other kooks continue to confuse facts with the opinions of single wacked out liberals with socialist agendas.

Like huff and Kos speak for any but a small sliver of the v
committed left.

Loud is not the same as correct. Most of the time it is the opposite, trying to cover.

Posted by: snowbama | November 8, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Voting conscience is out. Narrow minded and sometimes foolish chase of political gains continues on part of DINOs. Surprising that Chris like other sold out MSM finds the "no" vote by the 7 unprincipled DINOs and the so Called Blue Dogs quite justifiable and calls Kucinich "tough to predict". I would say he is as predictable on the side of principles as the Blue Dogs are in flouting them.

Here is a note I wrote about why the Dogs are destined both for infamy in the history books as well as for diminishing their chances for their coveted reelection.

Red Dogs v/s Blue Mutts:
------------------------
The biggest problem for the Democratic Party is the spinelessness of some Dems in boldly standing behind the Party agenda. Some of them think they will only win next reelection by being Dems in Republican clothing. I wish Reid and Pelosi would whip these recalcitrant Blue Dog DINOs into shape. First kind among them are those bought and paid for by the Health Lobbies. Second are those who are political opportunists. They ran on a Democratic ticket to ride Obama’s coattails without honestly subscribing to his agenda. I wonder what is the belief set of these Blue or Blusish Dogs. To me it appears that TOP 3 items on their agenda are reelection, reelection and reelection. This they believe is best done by outGOPing their GOP brethren. Little do they realize that so called conservative voters would choose a pedigreed Red Dog over a Blue Mutt. Republicans do stand in one line no matter where it goes. If Dems fail to unite on critical issues such as HCR they should forget about 2010 or 2012.

Posted by: doubleaseven | November 8, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I hope this decision helps Rep. Artur Davis since he threw his constituents under the bus. If he gets elected in the state of Alabama, it will be when Hell freezes over. By that time I hope he feels a shred of remorse for what he has done if he thought that this would get him elected.

Posted by: msvon60 | November 8, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

URGENT TO TEAM OBAMA, DC NATIONAL PRESS CORPS:

Shed your naivete before it's too late.

***

FOOT HOOD MASSACRE: ECHOES OF 9-11? GULF OF TONKIN?

http://nowpublic.com/world/ft-hood-massacre-echoes-9-11-gulf-tonkin

Posted by: scrivener50 | November 8, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

After hearing that the House had passed the Healthcare Reform Bill I and millions of other Americans sleept more peaceful knowing that our fellows cititens are being valued for their worth as American citizens instead of a cash cow! This is change I believe In!

Posted by: wave06 | November 8, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

and look -- Tom Tancredo had a Tantrum on TV:

"Today on the Ed Show, former Republican congressman Tom Tancredo tried to argue that all veterans are unhappy with their health care under the Veterans Administration — as proof of why government-run care doesn’t work:

Every veterans group I ever went and talked to complained about the Veterans Administration and the way it was a bureaucratically-run program that didn’t serve their needs. They would much rather have vouchers that would let them go out and buy their insurance in a private marketplace.

When the other guest on the program, DailyKos founder Markos Moulitsas, started laughing, Tancredo replied, “You’re laughing, but talk to the veterans. They talk to me, and that’s why they said.” Markos then informed Tancredo that he actually is a veteran, adding, “I did not get a deferment because I was too depressed to fight in a war that I supported in Vietnam. I’m a veteran, Tom.” Tancredo became incensed at Markos, calling his comment “stupid” and demanding that he apologize. When he didn’t, Tancredo stormed off the set. Watch it:


As Markos noted, Tancredo was eligible to serve in Vietnam and was a supporter of the war, but received a deferment after “he went for his physical, telling doctors he’d been treated for depression.” After Tancredo left, Markos went on to say that Republicans are “terrified of government programs that work” because it threatens the myths they have built up."


Posted by: drindl | November 8, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

boosterprez -- you have no idea what you are talking about.

and here's the scummily predictable lieberman--

'This morning on Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace asked Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT) about the House’s historic passage of health care legislation last night. Lieberman said that as a “matter of conscience,” he will join a Republican filibuster if a public option — which has supposedly been put forward “by people who really want the government to take over all of health insurance” — is also included in the bill that goes before the Senate:'

Posted by: drindl | November 8, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Jaxas, you got it exactly right. Trillions for Operation Iraqi Freedom and tax cuts for fat cats, but not a dime for trying to shore up our dysfunctional healthcare system (which is the laughing stock of the industrialized world). And who says those Republicans don't have their priorities straight?

Posted by: CopyKinetics
________________

Trillions for the Iraq War? Better check your facts there, buddy....

Obama's stimulus plan cost us more than eight years of war in Iraq AND Afghanistan...

Posted by: boosterprez | November 8, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Jaxas, you got it exactly right. Trillions for Operation Iraqi Freedom and tax cuts for fat cats, but not a dime for trying to shore up our dysfunctional healthcare system (which is the laughing stock of the industrialized world). And who says those Republicans don't have their priorities straight?

Posted by: CopyKinetics
________________

Trillions for the Iraq War? Better check your facts there, buddy....

Obama's stimulus plan cost us more than eight years of war in Iraq AND Afghanistan...

Posted by: boosterprez | November 8, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

to_robert

"It’s easy for other countries to afford socialized care because the US underwrites many of them through our defense umbrella. This frees them to put money elsewhere, like in socialized medicine".

Well, they could put that money elsewhere but prefer to put in socialized medicine, right? What´s wrong with them, why do they socialize --of all things-- medicine!

Posted by: fgubb1 | November 8, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"i hope all 39 have lose.if you cant show loyalty to the party dont show up at my door asking for funds.look at the republicans im sure more than 1 thought this bill was needed.

Posted by: donaldtucker | November 8, 2009 12:16 AM"
__________

Creigh Deeds went the anti-BHO route and look where it got him. McDonnell did not; Mac conspicuously avoided criticizing 44 and refused Mrs. Todd Phalin's invitation to campaign for him.

To me, the most important number remains "77." That is the percentage of Americans who want, not just health care reform, but the choice of a public option.

See:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/20/new-poll-77-percent-suppo_n_264375.html

If close to eighty percent of the country wants Obamacare, then we can conclude those voting against it are probably in the pocket of Big Pharma and Big Insurance and/or consumed by I-hope-Obama-fails, anti-BHO bigotry--why else are they against it?

IMO, the Fix's posts, before veering off on political "analysis" and spin, should always start with the objective fact that (1) an overwhelming majority of Americans want the public option and (2) universal health coverage (enjoyed by citizens of every industrialized country except ours) is unquestionably a GOOD thing.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 8, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Someone once called my view of this massive health care industry stimulus/jobs bill "bitter". Nonsense. We need the jobs and what's more, I am so optimistic, I believe this legislation will force a "peace dividend", the one we never chose to receive after the end of the cold war.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 8, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The laughingstock? That's why everyone who can, comes here for treatment.

The laughingstock is mr transparency, mr bipartisan. Mr apology and surrender who can't decide a single thing.

Won't add a dime to the deficit. But trllions forever- yes.

Posted by: snowbama | November 8, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Where is the victory here? A bill which will whoop around 17% of the economy, cost us a bundle (cost someone a bundle -- maybe just not the treasury), and likley establish an entitlement program which we can't aford.

This passed by a scant few votes. Something this important to every American should be authored to pass by 70 or 80% if not more.

Shame on you Nancy Pelosi!!! This is shameful ideological tyranny.

Posted by: DOps | November 8, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Jaxas, you got it exactly right. Trillions for Operation Iraqi Freedom and tax cuts for fat cats, but not a dime for trying to shore up our dysfunctional healthcare system (which is the laughing stock of the industrialized world). And who says those Republicans don't have their priorities straight?

Posted by: CopyKinetics | November 8, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Retching madcow on mtp again? Do these bozos at national Barack channel need to be put on suicide watch? Maybe she can bring up the treachery of palins ghost writer again, something every thinking American is obsessed with. No wonder no actual viewers tune in any longer. Jay leno has more serious news.

Posted by: snowbama | November 8, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Cc. This is a pretty good target list for the next Speaker of the House- John Boehner. All we need is half. They obviously are scared of the failure of Obama rubbing off on them, just like the last election.

Posted by: snowbama | November 8, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Mr transparency goes behind closed doors to offer graft and bribes and threaten retribution. In the end, the last three lemmings fall in line or else

the dems are feeling that hitching the wagon to anything Obama is a Sute fire recipe for losing your job. Just like millions of others who foolishly voted for a guy with zero experience. And it shows.

Posted by: snowbama | November 8, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Ever notice how the question of cost never seems to be a factor when the GOP is trying to talk the nation into going to war. Dick Cheney tells us that deficits don't matter in such instances and the tea partiers applaud wildly and charge treason if anyone disagrees.

Only when we have a democratic President trying to pass something that the public has been clamoring do you hear the question of cost suddenly becoming a major factor. And the media is of no help either and usually end up pretty much parroting what the GOP critics say.

I guarantee you that if republicans do take back the White House, the tea party freaks will go back to sleep except to occasionally wake up to accuse anyone of treason who questions the cost of keeping all of these old cold war weapons system relics we really no longer need.

Posted by: jaxas | November 8, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

to_robert, I agree with you.

The health care bill is so much more costly than we are being told, we simply can not afford it. Something has to give.

While it impossible to know for sure how much money is spent on "defense" these days (including the wars), estimates range around a trillion dollars a year. I can't see how this kind of spending can go on if we have to do health care the way we seem to be headed.

Will the world be ok without the US "defense umbrella"? It is a question worth asking, because we are going to take care of our own now in a way that is going to to cost a fantastic sum.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 8, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

First, I think Frank Rich stole his column from the Comments section of The Fix, as this has been our majority, in not concensus opinion for some time and second, scrivener50 has never been on meds.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 8, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

It’s easy for other countries to afford socialized care because the US underwrites many of them through our defense umbrella. This frees them to put money elsewhere, like in socialized medicine. It's interesting to ponder the fact that socialized Europe with healthcare for everyone couldn’t manage the Bosnian war and the breakup of Czechoslovakia and the genocide and mass graves without the US coming over and doing the heavy lifting (once again) - stunning actually. So go easy when you criticize the US- we have many commitments that require sacrifices -imagine if things were different.

Posted by: to_robert | November 8, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, donaldtucker @ 1216 for showing the Fix how easily his equation is turned around. I don't understand his constant amazement at how politicians get things done. Maybe the Fix is in the wrong line of work.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | November 8, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

TO: "jpaese @ 2:27

So the psy ops gets lamer on the graveyard shift for you frat boy Nazis *LOL*

My we taxpayers do get our money's worth.

Take your meds + tin foil hat = WORST. PSY OPS. EVER.

ATTN ROZ MAZER: Alert the DNI. Bad psy ops on fusion center graveyard shift... humint laughingstock at 4:34 a.m. ET...

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-fusion-center-spying-pretext-harass-and-censor

Posted by: scrivener50 | November 8, 2009 4:35 AM | Report abuse

Kucinich is in a safe district and extremely liberal. I would conjecture that if his vote really mattered, he would have cast a vote in the affirmative. He probably waited to cast a negative vote after the outcome was assured.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | November 8, 2009 4:08 AM | Report abuse

With 49 million Americans uninsured, not to mention those underinsured, how can any responsibly thinking person be against reform? As an American living in a country with 'socialized' medicine, I enjoy full health benefits. I'm sure most of my fellow-Americans couldn't define 'socialist/socialized' to save their souls & wouldn't know a 'socialist' if they fell over him/her.

Posted by: expatriot1 | November 8, 2009 3:52 AM | Report abuse

With 49 million Americans uninsured, not to mention those underinsured, how can any responsibly thinking person be against reform? As an American living in a country with 'socialized' medicine, I enjoy full health benefits. I'm certain most of my fellow-Americans wouldn't be able to define 'socialism/socialized' to save their souls or be able to recognize a 'socialist' if they tripped over him.

Posted by: expatriot1 | November 8, 2009 3:47 AM | Report abuse

A quick scan through the numbers reveals a more important number: zero. That's the number of California Democrats who voted "no" on the bill. If the Republicans can't carry California, they will never re-gain the presidency, and it looks as if Congressional Dems there feel no threat from lining up behind the President.

Posted by: Portola | November 8, 2009 3:04 AM | Report abuse

OK, first off, someone find a way to get scrivener50 back on their meds. Yikes!

I can't really blame some of these Dems taking one for the team in order to keep the majority they have. I don't think we can act too surprised that some politicking took place tonight.

While it would have been nice to see a unanimous vote, I'm in no hurry to see the Democrats lose their majority any time soon. :)

Posted by: jpaese | November 8, 2009 2:27 AM | Report abuse

Mr. President: "First, Do No Harm." Stop covert, silent, harmful microwave/laser radiation weapons attacks upon civilians -- by elements of the U.S. gov't.

SECRET MULTI-AGENCY FED PROGRAM SILENTLY TORTURES, IMPAIRS, PERSECUTES U.S. CITIZENS WITH MICROWAVE/LASER RADIATION AND LOCAL VIGILANTISM, SAYS MAINSTREAM JOURNALIST

* Thousands of Americans, deemed to be "dissidents" or undesirables, targeted by Bush legacy program for debilitating microwave/laser assault, held hostage in their own homes to fed-supported vigilante "community policing" stalking units, equipped with warrantless GPS devices, who vandalize and terrorize as local police look the other way.

* "Directed energy weapons," portable units and a nationwide installation employing cell towers and satellites, induce weakness, exhaustion, head and body aches, physical and neurological impairment, strokes, aneurysms, cancer -- and many victims do not realize what is making them sick.

* Regional Homeland Security- administered "fusion centers" reportedly serve as command centers for covert electromagnetic radiation attacks, pervasive surveillance, financial sabotage of those identified as "dissidents," "trouble-makers" or slandered as threats to society.

* Use of microwave weaponry to torture and impair political opponents recently confirmed by deposed Honduras President Manuel Zelaya.

* Pleas for justice, to local police and FBI, go unanswered -- as do demands for a Department of Justice Civil Rights Division investigation and congressional hearings.

"These are crimes against humanity and the Constitution, being perpetrated under the cover of national security and 'safe streets' by multiple federal and local agencies and commands -- an American genocide hiding in plain sight, enabled by the naivete of those who think 'it can't happen here.'" -- Victor Livingston, former reporter for WTXF-TV Philadelphia, Phila. Bulletin, N.Y. Daily News, St. Petersburg Times; producer/host, MSG Network Sports Business Report; columnist, NowPublic.com/scrivener.

JOURNO TO FBI: SEIZE CONTROL OF DHS-RUN FUSION CENTERS
TO STOP SILENT MICROWAVE / LASER ATTACKS ON U.S. CITIZENS

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-tortures-me-silent-microwave-weapons-ousted-s-prez
http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america OR (if links are corrupted / disabled): http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"

Posted by: scrivener50 | November 8, 2009 2:01 AM | Report abuse

In answer to JM@'s comment: All five democratic congress persons from Arizona (McCain's home state) voted for the bill. There is at least a chance that three of them will have to pay with their seats next year but they did put principal before their political future which is more than what can be said of some of the 39 Democrats that voted against that bill. One of whom is "running for governor next year and is worried that republicans will attack him for his vote." Give n=me a break. The coward is representing a district that was for Obama by 74%. He sure maks a mockery of the name "Representative." I'm a democrat but I hope he loses next year, it would be his just reward. Who needs scoundrels like that in government.

Posted by: Opa2 | November 8, 2009 1:20 AM | Report abuse

For all of the pure "Conservatives", it's time to look in the mirror. Pelosi was right. When asked what Tuesday's election results would mean for her healthcare efforts, she replied that elections amounted to a "great night" for her, since she picked up 2 more seats. Tonight, the bill passed with 2 votes to spare. Cao, the NOLA Republican, voted "yes". If the dems LOSE those Tuesday elections, Cao would have been the 'make or break' vote for healthcare reform. Eric Cantor (minority whip) would have strangled the guy before letting him cast the deciding vote. The NY-23 race mattered in tonight's HISTORIC vote. Dede Scozzafava (the Republican who quit) may have been a RINO-liberal, but she would have voted AGAINST this healthcare reform. The "Conservatives" have no one to blame but their "leadership" of talk radio, Sarah Palin and the perpetual losers who make up the "Club for Growth".

Posted by: TruthHurts2 | November 8, 2009 1:14 AM | Report abuse

"You should have mentioned how one Republican voted for the bill. Joe Cao from NOLA

Posted by: jtackeff"

He's sure making it hard not to vote for him next year.

When I went to his town hall, he very bluntly said that he was willing to be the only Republican to vote for the bill if he thought it was good. He came through.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 8, 2009 12:57 AM | Report abuse

You should have mentioned how one Republican voted for the bill. Joe Cao from NOLA

Posted by: jtackeff | November 8, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Obama gave the Republicans every chance to be contributory in their efforts.

They opposed it from Day 1.

In fact, till Tuesday, they acted as if health care needed no reform.

They started these tea-baggery movement of hate.

NOTHING worked.

So they offered a lame version on Tuesday.

Now they lost.

AGAIN!

If this does not wake them up, then they'll simply watch as more bills get passed next year.

The best thing for the GOP to do is to jump in early in the debate with solutions of their own.

Lindsey Graham recognizes this, and is working on the Climate Change Bill.

The message is clear: The Democrats have the votes and they got their mandate last elections.

Work with Obama -- he'll work with you. If you choose to spread lies instead, you'll lose.

Posted by: HumanSimpleton | November 8, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

i hope all 39 have lose.if you cant show loyalty to the party dont show up at my door asking for funds.look at the republicans im sure more than 1 thought this bill was needed.

Posted by: donaldtucker | November 8, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Chris - Interesting. Can you post the members who went against the political tide by voting for the bill even though they represent a McCain district or a narrow margin Obama district?

Would also be curious about republicans who voted against when their district was pro-Obama.

Posted by: jmII | November 8, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully, Obama & Pelosi's Folly will be stopped in the Senate.

Posted by: Digital_Voter | November 8, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Pathetic. This goes down and those Dems in marginal districts will be buttered. Will Rodgers had it right.

Do you want to do something or just be another damn pol?

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 8, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

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