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The most important number in (Palin) politics today

54

That's the percentage of people who had a strongly favorable (20 percent) or strongly unfavorable (34 percent) view of Sarah Palin in a new Washington Post/ABC News poll, the latest piece of data that suggests the intensity that the former Alaska governor engenders in the general public.

That intensity will be on full display over the coming weeks as Palin embarks on a book tour to promote "Going Rogue" -- her memoir of her experience as the Republican vice presidential nominee in 2008. (The book, in case you have been on another planet for the last week or so, comes out tomorrow.)

Since she was plucked from near total obscurity by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) last summer, Palin has emerged as one of the most divisive figures in the country -- serving as a sort of cipher for how people view themselves and their relationship to politics.

Think Washington is out of touch with your values and ideals? To you, Palin is a truth-teller, a fresh face who doesn't talk like or think like other politicians. (And, that's a good thing.)

See politics as serious business that needs to be conducted by deep thinkers with long intellectual pedigrees? Then Palin is a dangerous force in the country, woefully unprepared and not sufficiently serious to run just about anything.

Palin's problem is that while the intensity surrounding her is good for book sales, a look inside the numbers suggests she has significant political weaknesses as a result of it.

Among women, who, theoretically, should form the base of Palin's support, nearly four in ten (39 percent) have a strongly unfavorable impression of her while just 20 percent were strongly favorable. Overall 39 percent of women had a favorable impression of Palin while 57 percent had an unfavorable one.

The song remained the same among political independents. Nearly twice as many independents had a strongly unfavorable opinion of Palin as had a favorable one -- 32 percent to 18 percent. Among all independents, 45 percent has a favorable image of Palin as compared to 47 percent who felt unfavorably toward the former governor.

Those sorts of numbers are not typically the building blocks of a successful presidential candidacy. Intensity in politics is generally a good thing except when that intensity is aimed in a negative way toward you.

Many of the people who feel strongly unfavorably to Palin will undoubtedly buy her book just to reinforce their impressions. But, would they vote for her? Almost certainly not.

By Chris Cillizza  |  November 16, 2009; 10:30 AM ET
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An apt descrition of Nanny State Pelosi, grand matriarch of today's NeoCom Statist Destructionist PArty.

Posted by: leapin
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"All science trembles before the searing logic of your fiery intellect."
-attributed to General Lewis Armstead, 1863

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | November 17, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

How would you like to be a Muslim living in a red state this month?
Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite
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On 9/11, I went around the corner from my old pad and walked right into a scene from 'Roadhouse', where the badguy rednecks are destroying the bar and Sam Elliot and the Swaze hafta whoop some aizes.
In my case it was a (Syrian immigrant)family run convenience store. The rednecks were still rednecks, though, tipping over pop machines and store shelves in "revenge" for the WTC attack. They mistakenly mistook me for a sympathetic (white) soul, until I pulled an old pellet gun out of my ride and threatened some Chuck Norris action on their @$$e$ (they thought the b b gun was real).
You know who else hated immigrants? Hitler.

On another note, The Baraquitta just added Columbus, Ohio to her signing tour, so I'm there. In keeping with my "don't give Alaskans money" rule, I arranged to get a free advanced copy of the book, and I plan to make a custom t-shirt with a short phrase in a furrin' language that I can wear for my picture with Sarah at the signing(even though the rules say, "No 'posed' photographs").
Any suggestions?

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | November 17, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

You ask "since when is being dumb or stupid a qualification for national office?"

Have you listened to many members of congress for the last year?

Posted by: nwseal | November 17, 2009 6:58 AM | Report abuse

What is truly amazing to me is that so many who are supporters of Palin seem to admire most that she celebrates her lack of intelligence. Since when is being dumb or stupid a qualification for national office?

In fact I would say the elements on the far right who are anti-intellect and anti-science----and that really does seem to be the dominant strain of right-wing conservatives----are what makes the right-wing so scary to ordinary people.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | November 17, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

I commend her on her great decision to dance in her stardom ...
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But will the author of Gooey Rouge be able to dance with the stars?

Posted by: shrink2 | November 16, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

'An apt descrition of Nanny State Pelosi, grand matriarch of today's NeoCom Statist Destructionist PArty.'

jasper -- and the dazzling wit! the sophistication of these precious bon mots!

Posted by: drindl | November 16, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

leakin sounds like another of king of puke's alias'. Just about as intelligent too.

Posted by: jasperanselm | November 16, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many tries it took palin to learn how to spell rogue? I bet she started with "rowg"!

Posted by: jasperanselm | November 16, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is Speaker of the House and one of the most powerful women in the world.

Palin is a former mayor of a town of a few thousand single-wides, and governor for half a term, quitting 'because people was being meanies to her.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 16, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

"Among women, who, theoretically, should form the base of Palin's support,..."

You've really outdone yourself in the stupidity and sexism department, Cilizza. Why on earth would any reasonable woman want to be represented by an incompetent -- female or male -- with obvious mental issues?

Posted by: Gatsby10
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While I agree that Palin is a fool, and women on a whole are smarter than that, that is the same point Gwen Ifill made yesterday to David Brooks on Meet the Press. A gig she is much better at than David Gregory.

I want to see a Palin/Prejean 2012 ticket. Two former beauty queens who want to shove their phony religious beliefs down our throats. Now that they both have their books out, when does Sarah's sex tape come out?

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | November 16, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Biden should NEVER be given ANY position of national authority.

He's far too ditzy.

Posted by: leapin | November 16, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

a smart woman? more like a greedy, avaricious, opportunistic one.

Posted by: drindl

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An apt descrition of Nanny State Pelosi, grand matriarch of today's NeoCom Statist Destructionist PArty.

Posted by: leapin | November 16, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

"Among women, who, theoretically, should form the base of Palin's support,..."

You've really outdone yourself in the stupidity and sexism department, Cilizza. Why on earth would any reasonable woman want to be represented by an incompetent -- female or male -- with obvious mental issues?

Posted by: Gatsby10 | November 16, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

The with-book is marked down on Amazon from $28 to $9.

That was fast.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 16, 2009 2:35 PM

That's so you can buy it with returnable beer cans.

Posted by: jasperanselm | November 16, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I can honestly say that I am very glad this person is a republican!

Posted by: JoeNTx | November 16, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

a smart woman? more like a greedy, avaricious, opportunistic one.

Posted by: drindl | November 16, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Palin is an incompetent buffoon. Do any of her kids go to school or college? She is part of the anti-elite crowd which is really the anti-intellectual or anti-education crowd. Go ahead and continue on that path and this country will be even worse off than we were during the god-awful Bush years. Giving credence to the dummies in the world is not a winning strategy.

Posted by: jillcohen | November 16, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Yeah who cares how many chidren die of treatable illnesses as a result of Palin's "death panel" BS, as long as she gets rich.

Thanks for showing your true colors.

Pardon me I feel a sudden need for a shower.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 16, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Palin is one smart woman. She saw her chance at stardom, ran with it and got rich! Brilliant! I commend her on her great decision to dance in her stardom all the way to the bank. She won't get my vote in the R nomination race, but she is running strong to the bank.

Posted by: reason5 | November 16, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I've already seen Palin's book free through the rightwing bulkbuyer Newsmax. all you have to pay is a couple bucks shipping.

Posted by: drindl | November 16, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"The with-book is marked down on Amazon from $28 to $9.

That was fast.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite"

Man, even Glen Beck's new book was only marked down to $14.50 from the same starting price.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 16, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: edtroyhampton | November 16, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Thought sales of her book were going to make Harry Potter look like an afterthought.

Yessssss people are pawing the ground outside the bookstores in their excited urgency to read about how the meany television press was out to get poor Sarah.

They'll elect her to exact revenge on Katie Couric for asking hardballs like "what newspapers do you read."

Now THAT was as unfair as asking her for the emission spectrum of beryllium.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 16, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"Among women, who, theoretically, should form the base of Palin's support . . . "

Those would be the theorists who think women would nickname someone "Barracuda" out of affection.

Posted by: MollyNYC | November 16, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

The with-book is marked down on Amazon from $28 to $9.

That was fast.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 16, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I find her to be an embarassment to women everywhere.

==

I wouldn't worry about that.

I used to worry about gay sadomasochists running around trying hard to substantiate the ugliest characterizations of the religious right .. but what with gays as ubiquitous as anyone now, those leather freaks now look like individual fools with no reflection on anyone but themselves.

Women have never been closeted.

Nobody's going to see Palin as representing all women.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 16, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

As a female conservative, it concerns me that so many are actually hoping Ms. Palin runs for Pres in 2012. I find her to be an embarassment to women everywhere. I am hoping that the revelations in her book will open people's eyes and minds to the lunacy of a Palin presidency. She is not bright, she is not articulate, she is not worldly, she is not worthy...

Posted by: boosterprez | November 16, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Pailin should NEVER be given ANY position of national authority for that reason.

She's far too ditzy.

==

Oh it's a lot worse than that. She's an ignoramus who thinks she's brilliant. Even more than Bush.

There's long been this sick streak of angry anti-intellectualism in America, the ridiculous conviction that wisdom lives in the hearts of ordinary people, that knowledge is paralyzing. Palin represents the apotheosis of that view.

She gives it away by calling herself a "common sense conservative," which is to say a know-nothing who don't wanna know nothin' and gettin' 'long fine not knowin' nuthin'.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 16, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"I mean, who needs logic and facts when you have a gut?"

Point taken.

After 8 years of a vacation taking, brush cutting buffoon with a speech impediment, a facial tick, and the body language of a crack addict suffering withdrawal symptoms, Pailin (to those who need abject failures as leaders because they can "relate") would be the logical choice.

However, anyone who's not been comatose during Bush's failed presidency would truly fear allowing someone with her level of disconnect and vapid mouthing's of moral certitude, who would be in a position to inflict an equal of greater amt. of death and destruction than Bush, to become a national leader.

Pailin should NEVER be given ANY position of national authority for that reason.

She's far too ditzy.

Posted by: BellsBlu2 | November 16, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

@JDHouston: snowbama hates everyone except Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin. We ignore him around here.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 16, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"Think Washington is out of touch with your values and ideals? To you, Palin is a truth-teller, a fresh face who doesn't talk like or think like other politicians. (And, that's a good thing.)"

Cillizza should steer clear of ideology, he does numbers and parties much better. This childish simplification actually implies that Democrats all think Washington faithfully represents their values and ideals. You've got to be kidding, Cillizza.

Only a Republican would say that.

Posted by: kevrobb | November 16, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

who did you have in mind, Cc? the guy who either votes present or takes the notions from as far left as you can go, based on his two long years as a candidate? that is neither thought nor long nor pedigree.

Posted by: snowbama | November 16, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Dude, you seem to have a bit of common sense, but your complaints about Obama just don't make any sense?

Shall I care if he is completely "Appropriate, but not warm..." at Edward Kennedy's funeral"

Because his speech at the Berlin Wall commeration didn't cover the bullet points that YOU thought it should cover?

It seems like you don't like the President, but you sure have a tough go, finding out logical reasons to not like him.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 16, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

This is too funny...

'On Saturday, a few dozen anti-immigration activists gathered on the steps of the Minnesota State Capitol for a Tea Party, part of the nationwide effort by Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC). But somehow, one of the counter-protesters, a “concerned citizen from Minneapolis” named “Robert Erickson,” manged to get on the speaking list. His address started with the standard anti-immigrant rhetoric, but then revealed that he was talking about European immigrants. By this time, however, the crowd was in a frenzy and joined him in his chants of “Columbus go home!” and “Europeans out!”:

Let’s send these European immigrants back where they came from! I don’t care if they are Polish, Irish, English, Italian, or Norwegian! European immigrants are responsible for the most violent and heinous crimes in the history of the world, including genocide and slavery! Its time to restore the sovereignty of people native to this land! I want more workplace raids, starting with the big banks downtown.'


Christopher Day notes, “The Tea-Baggers seem pretty clueless, and for the most part don’t even seem to realize they have been punk’d."

Posted by: drindl | November 16, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

So what's the plan for this week? Is CC hoping that exposure will do the opposite for Palin what it's always done in the past?

Think she's spent the last year educating herself? Dream on.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 16, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

As a strong Democrat who wants to see the Republic Party of No go the way of the Whig Party, I applaud Sarah Palin's decision.

Posted by: WillSeattle | November 16, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Only if the office of the president no longer requires intellect, savvy, of experience on the world stage.

==

Haven't you heard? Education, expertise and experience are elitist. Palin is a "common sense conservative."

You know, common sense? That's when you explain away everything you don't understand as unncessary.

I mean, who needs logic and facts when you have a gut?

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 16, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

as a gun owner and skeet shooter, I take offense to the use of Hassan as a political tool. He may be nuts or not, but he was a licensed M.D. and no court had questioned his sanity or his ability to practice medicine. He would have been licensed under any regime except one that confiscated guns

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How would you like to be a Muslim living in a red state this month?

If Hasan had been Jewish then anyone seeking to connect his faith with his actions would have been assaulted.

If he's been Christian, any such attempt would be greeted with puzzlement.

But he was Muslim, so the right is going ape-sh*t over it.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 16, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"Old Sarah" is simply going for the gold.

It should be clear to everyone now ( except blind ideologues) that her stink as Gov. of Ak. was a vanity one, and the moment real money appeared within her reach she took off like a female golden retriever in heat to clamp her teeth down on it.

Pailin for president?

Only if the office of the president no longer requires intellect, savvy, of experience on the world stage.

"Old Pailin" may be qualified to issue fishing licences in AK, but certainly isn't qualified for anything beyond that.

Her rise to mediocrity should be followed by a steep plummet back into obscurity.

Posted by: BellsBlu2 | November 16, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Chris when are you going to figure out that Palin being in the news is akin to an accident by the side of the road?

People don't slow down to look because they want to elect the guy in the damaged car to public office.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 16, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Here's another key number: 10,413. That's where the Dow is right now, a new high for 2009.

Rightwingnuts are planning mass suicides for when the Dow gets back to 11,000.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 16, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Three prominent conservatives warned in a joint statement against Republican "scaremongering" on Guantanamo Bay detainees, saying the prison in Thomson, Illinois would be fine to handle them.

Former Republican Congressman and Libertarian presidential candidate Bob Barr, David Keene, chairman of the American Conservative Union and Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, have teamed up to urge the Gitmo detainees be taken to the U.S.

"The scaremongering about these issues should stop," Barr, Keene and Norquist wrote.

"Civilian federal courts are the proper forum for terrorism cases," they wrote. "Civilian prisons are the safe, cost effective and appropriate venue to hold persons in federal courts."

"Likewise the federal prison system has proven itself fully capable of safely holding literally hundreds of convicted terrorists with no threat or danger to the surrounding community," they wrote. "We are confident that the government can preserve national security without resorting to sweeping and radical departures from an American constitutional tradition that has served us effectively for over two centuries."

Posted by: drindl | November 16, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Tim Pawlenty has taken a drubbing from hunters for not tracking down a deer he shot on opening day of Minnesota's firearm deer season.

A headline on deerhuntingchat.com calls the possible presidential candidate a "slob hunter" for wounding a deer on Nov. 7 and then leaving for a Republican fundraiser in Iowa before the animal could be found.

One contributor wrote: "What kind of slob hunter goes out opening morning and shoots a deer knowing full well you won't have time to retrieve it or tend to it? One whose presidential ambitions override his hunting ethics, that's what kind."

The-deer-hunting-guide.com says: "A responsible hunter, who is also an ethical hunter, will be prepared to spend hours trailing a wounded deer; even come back the next day if needed. You must make every effort to retrieve a wounded animal. It's the right ethical thing to do.

Posted by: drindl | November 16, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Hasan has been used as a political tool by the rightwingers since 5 minutes after his name hit the papers. I haven't seen you protest that.

Posted by: drindl | November 16, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

You must make every effort to retrieve a wounded animal. It's the ethical thing to do.'

Posted by: drivl


so Fox has gone to China then?

Posted by: snowbama | November 16, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

COUNTDOWN TO REMAINDER BIN:
IN 3 MOS., 'GOING ROGUE' FOR $1 AT 'DOLLAR TREE'?

Why would those who harbor strong unfavorable feelings toward Palin buy her book "just to reinforce their impressions"? It would seem that would be another reason not to buy her book. Good analysis until that puzzler.

It won't be long before her book shows up in the remainder bin, or even at the dollar store. If her publisher had included one of lenticular plastic 3D color photos, I might have considered springing a dollar on it when it hits "Dollar Tree" just for the chachtka value.


***


Did this rogue program help drive the Ft. Hood shooter to kill? Has microwave/laser torture been done to Gitmo and Bagram detainees to induce exhaustion, weakness, confusion, and life-altering impairment and disease?

SECRET MULTI-AGENCY FED PROGRAM TORTURES, IMPAIRS, PERSECUTES THOUSANDS OF U.S. CITIZENS WITH NATIONWIDE SILENT MICROWAVE/LASER WEAPONS SYSTEMS, LOCAL VIGILANTISM: VETERAN JOURNALIST

http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-ameria
OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "GESTAPO USA"


Posted by: scrivener50 | November 16, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

In August, at the funeral for Sen. Ted Kennedy, again President Obama's coldness and aloofness raised red flags. Others, like Peggy Noonan, have also noted Obama's cold distance as he arrived, nodded, shook hands and spoke to the family and friends of the Kennedys. In watching the funeral, I was struck by how the president could simultaneously be so completely appropriate and so emotionally vacant. He was polite to be sure, but exhibited a total absence of warmth.

Last week, in his remarks via telecast, at the twentieth anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, President Obama recognized no other presidents before himself and also failed to mention either Margaret Thatcher or Pope John Paul II . Worse still, he failed even to utter the words “communism,” or the “Soviet Union,” or “Russia.” A major moment arrives, the president speaks, and he whiffs entirely. He exhibits no knowledge of history, no sense of poignancy or America's contribution to the world, and no passion for the freedoms that arrived with the fall of the wall. An utterly cold and vacuous moment.

Sarah is a breath of reality from the utter failure of Professor Obimbo. a professor with no writing, no record, no colleagues, no schlolarship, no transcripts, no past, no decisions. I bet he was known for an easy A.

Posted by: snowbama | November 16, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah! You have answered Freud's question, "What do women want?"
Obviously (why did no one grasp this before?) we yearn to be represented by someone with a vagina. Competence? Sanity? Truthfulness? Not important. The mere fact of our sex makes us likely to be Sarah Palin's base.
If there is a condescending summit, I think you should go.

Posted by: kstack | November 16, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"as a gun owner and skeet shooter, I take offense to the use of Hassan as a political tool. He may be nuts or not, but he was a licensed M.D. and no court had questioned his sanity or his ability to practice medicine. He would have been licensed under any regime except one that confiscated guns

Posted by: mark_in_austin"

As someone who has never even touched a paintball gun in his life, I agree.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 16, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"The most important number in (Palin) politics today"

Isn't that something like "the most important listing in the (Somalia) stock market?"

20% have a favorable rating of SP? Ah, that magic 20-something percent we keep reading about, the "American Idiot" constituency, as Billy Joe Armstrong so succinctly put it.

Anyway, the real most important number in politics today: 10400.

Posted by: nodebris | November 16, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Empty vessel. simply fill with donations:

Worse still, Obama's remarks at the memorial service at Ft. Hood fell flat. Does anyone remember a word he said? Years later, I can still remember the warmth and grace exhibited by President Clinton in the aftermath of Oklahoma City. In contrast, Obama's presence and comments at Ft. Hood were utterly forgettable. He failed to show up emotionally in any way. Were one to listen to the president's comments regarding the terror deaths of 13 Americans on an American military base at the hands of an Islamic jihadist, one would notice no difference whatsoever in modulation, tone, or posture from any other speech he has ever given. They have all begun to sound the same. He is everywhere, speaking on everything, and thereby speaking on nothing. No one listens anymore. He speaks as if he is just passing through, a mere observer on the events of life. The hollowness is unsettling.

All in all, Obama's impassioned speeches are reserved for fund-raisers and for healthcare addresses, for which he has no shortage of energy. Line up a pile of dead Americans, and he can barely muster an inflection or an exclamation point. Fill the room with wealthy donors, and the man comes alive. For a mercenary, that may be an admirable thing, but for a president, the vacancy is disturbing.

Posted by: snowbama | November 16, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

"Among women, who, theoretically, should form the base of Palin's support,"

Why? Look at the long history of those elected to national office, and you will make the undeniable discovery that women have no problem voting for men. Palin is a ridiculous choice, and her gender has *nothing* to do with why.

Posted by: maurinsky | November 16, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

as a gun owner and skeet shooter, I take offense to the use of Hassan as a political tool. He may be nuts or not, but he was a licensed M.D. and no court had questioned his sanity or his ability to practice medicine. He would have been licensed under any regime except one that confiscated guns

Posted by: mark_in_austin | November 16, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's book isn't even on the bookstores shelves yet and she's $1.25 million dollars richer, which shows that she's one smart woman. That she has a 34% dissapproval rating in the most recent Democrap Socialist Party controlled Washington Post and ABC News poll is no surprise, since that's about the same percentage of far-left wing la-la-land hard-line Communist Obama supporters and white and America--haters, who have been told what to think and say by their party. What I find gratifying is the hysterical irrational hatred that the Sarah Palin haters on here have for a smart, beautiful, successful, patriotic, and now very rich conservative Republican woman, that causes them to wallow in the outhouse excrement that they've covered themselves in, as if it were perfume.
Sarah Palin must be laughing over these low-life knuckledraggers all the way to the bank. Right on Sarah,!!!

Posted by: armpeg | November 16, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

tpaw trying to be 'manly' screws up big time:

Gov. Tim Pawlenty has taken a drubbing from hunters for not tracking down a deer he shot on opening day of Minnesota's firearm deer season.

A headline on deerhuntingchat.com calls the possible presidential candidate a "slob hunter" for wounding a deer on Nov. 7 and then leaving for a Republican fundraiser in Iowa before the animal could be found.

One contributor wrote: "What kind of slob hunter goes out opening morning and shoots a deer knowing full well you won't have time to retrieve it or tend to it? One whose presidential ambitions override his hunting ethics, that's what kind."

The-deer-hunting-guide.com says: "A responsible hunter, who is also an ethical hunter, will be prepared to spend hours trailing a wounded deer; even come back the next day if needed. You must make every effort to retrieve a wounded animal. It's the ethical thing to do.'

Posted by: drindl | November 16, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

trident 420, are you my long-lost brother? We seem to have the same father.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | November 16, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

A few questions for Palin on her book tour.

Why did you attend 5 Colleges in 6 Years resulting in a Broadcasting Degree? What other educational attainment can you account for or are you autodidactic?

What do you read every day? There is a picture of you reading the John Birch Society magazine. Do you agree with their phlisophy?
You have had over a year since your Katie Couric interview to answer.

Why do you decry "Socialism" while supporting Alaska National Fund payouts of roughly $1000 per year while in 2008 adding $1200 energy rebate. Why does Alaska get $1.84 for every dollar they sent to Washington?

As mayor of Wasilla and as Governor why did you continue to charge rape victims for their rape kits? Why does Alaska have some of the highest rates of rape and incest in the U.S?

Why were you involved with the secessionist treasonist Alaskan Independence Party and attended their convention?

Did Jesus really saddle up a dinosaur and ride it 6000 years ago?

Posted by: MerrillFrank | November 16, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

typical - gopers want to give more nuts like hasan guns...

"Major Nidal Hasan, accused of killing 13 people at Fort Hood Army base, has been described by former colleagues as "psychotic." As more details emerge about Hasan's troubled state, gun safety advocates are launching fresh attacks on a Senate bill they say would make it easier for mentally unstable veterans to buy firearms. Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) says his "Veterans 2nd Amendment Protection Act" will protect veterans' gun rights. But the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence calls it a "dangerous" proposal that could allow "over 100,000 mentally incapacitated or incompetent persons" to buy guns—people who would previously have been barred from doing so by the Veterans Administration (VA)."

Posted by: drindl | November 16, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Ill treat Ms. Palin as a contender when she is able to speak competently on issues of national interest, or at the very least dodge a (tough?) question without entering into a rambling paragraph of mixed metaphor/incomplete sentences.

I look to my father, who would rather trust the unread geo-political rantings of a high school dropout at the Elks club than listen to someone who can speak intelligently on the matter.

And even HE thought Palin was a train wreck.

That's saying something.

Posted by: trident420 | November 16, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

She's a hate-spewer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

drivl comsults the mirror and the voices command her to post.

Still confusing the we/they issue old girl?

Posted by: snowbama | November 16, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

She's a hate-spewer, parker, she'll get a job on Fox.

Posted by: drindl | November 16, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The Fix writes
"[54] That's the percentage of people who had a strongly favorable (20 percent) or strongly unfavorable (34 percent) view of Sarah Palin in a new Washington Post/ABC News poll..."


Compare those numbers to HRC's numbers in 2005 & its pretty clear to everyone with two brain cells to rub together that this woman has zero chance of becoming President.

Posted by: bsimon1 | November 16, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Palin's favorability has moved little even as the president has slipped back to reality. And her behavior has continued to be completely removed from what Americans want and expect from presidential candidates.

She had better think about a long-term TV or book career, because she will never be president...

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | November 16, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

She's a joke. I mean, I just can't take her seriously. We've got serious problems in the country. Barack Obama's trying to handle war. We've just a had guy elected Virginia governor who's probably the model for the future of the Republican Party, Bob McDonnell, pretty serious guy, pragmatic, calm, kind of boring. The idea that this potential talk show host is considered seriously for the Republican nomination -- believe me, it'll never happen. Republican primary voters are just not going to elect a talk show host."

and he ran away from the social conservative issues. It remains to be seen if that trend continues now that he is governor.

Posted by: ModerateVoter | November 16, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

She crossed far over that line, Blade, into places no decent person would go, politician or not. She continually lies and slanders, accuses anyone who criticizes or disagrees her as treasonous, of 'supporting terrorists' and other charges too stupid to even recount.

She may have been something different once, but she is what she is now.

And one number you didn't want to post perhaps, CC? " In addition, 53% say they would definitely not vote for her. Only 9% would definitely vote for her."

She's got no real support. She's going to be nothing but another wench thrown into the GOP works.

Posted by: drindl | November 16, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Palin's a joke, and even conservatives know it.

"The New York Times' resident conservative columnist David Brooks slammed Sarah Palin this morning on ABC's This Week, calling her a "joke." And in the process, he held up Virginia Governor-elect Bob McDonnell as the future of the Republican Party.

She's a joke. I mean, I just can't take her seriously. We've got serious problems in the country. Barack Obama's trying to handle war. We've just a had guy elected Virginia governor who's probably the model for the future of the Republican Party, Bob McDonnell, pretty serious guy, pragmatic, calm, kind of boring. The idea that this potential talk show host is considered seriously for the Republican nomination -- believe me, it'll never happen. Republican primary voters are just not going to elect a talk show host."

Posted by: drindl | November 16, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I don't think it's fair to characterize Palin as a show horse. She came to power as governor as a reformer and pushed through several important laws with bipartisan support. Having knocked off an incumbent Republican, she isn't beloved by her own party up there. That governor was someone who would have interested me.

Once on the national scene, she tore into the traditional role of Veep nominee as attack dog. I say she crossed the line when characterizing those on the left as essentially un-American. That combined with the fact that she came across as woefully underprepared. I think she energized the Republican base and undercut the fundamental argument of the McCain campaign (experience matters).

Palin is a lady of accomplishment. I predict a long, successful career as professional speaker, author, and possibly radio or TV show host.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 16, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: scrivener50 | November 16, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

For People who have a strongly unfavorable opinion of former governor Palin, I wouldn't think that buying her book would be an effective means of voicing said disapproval.

When I don't approve of someone or something, I usually make an effort to *not* give as much money to it/them as possible.

Posted by: VTDuffman | November 16, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Three prominent conservatives warned in a joint statement against Republican "scaremongering" on Guantanamo Bay detainees, saying the prison in Thomson, Illinois would be fine to handle them.

Former Republican Congressman and Libertarian presidential candidate Bob Barr, David Keene, chairman of the American Conservative Union and Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, have teamed up to urge the Gitmo detainees be taken to the U.S.

"The scaremongering about these issues should stop," Barr, Keene and Norquist wrote.

"Civilian federal courts are the proper forum for terrorism cases," they wrote. "Civilian prisons are the safe, cost effective and appropriate venue to hold persons in federal courts."

"Likewise the federal prison system has proven itself fully capable of safely holding literally hundreds of convicted terrorists with no threat or danger to the surrounding community," they wrote. "We are confident that the government can preserve national security without resorting to sweeping and radical departures from an American constitutional tradition that has served us effectively for over two centuries."

Posted by: drindl | November 16, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The discrepency in the female support is pretty shocking. I figured that it would at least be a 50-50 split, and 57% unfavorable with women would sink any chances she has for a national run.

The 20% who strongly support her are a neccesary group of voters for any GOP national candidate, and they want her to run, no matter what. And courting of these folks by the likes of Pawlenty, Romney, and the other non-believers will end up being fruitless, IMO.

Newt Gingrich yesterday compared the feelings people have towards Palin to how people viewed Reagan before he was elected. I got to say that is a bit of a stretch even for me, and I definitly do not have the highest opinion of President Reagan.

Posted by: AndyR3 | November 16, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Palin/Prejean

I haven’t seen many comments about the similarities in the behavior of these two beauty queens.

Both expect to be treated with deference by journalists, and accuse the most milquetoast of old, male interviewers of bias.

They’re both conservative fundamentalist megachurch attendees.

Much of what they say is later proven to be a lie.

Both quit their day job to cash in.

Both have big skeletons in their closets, if you believe Levi Johnston.

Both have a gay blogger nemesis.

I think if you try to understand Palin as a beauty queen, it really explains her behavior as AK Gov—it was just a title to her, and she loved the ceremonial aspects while she dodged the real work. That’s also why I don’t really take her seriously as a candidate. She’s never going to do the work to win enough primaries to get the GOP nomination. Her campaign will look a lot like Rudy Guiliani’s—well financed, based on a few minutes of fame, and ultimately unable to engage with primary voters.

Posted by: drindl | November 16, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

See politics as serious business that needs to be conducted by deep thinkers with long intellectual pedigrees?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

who did you have in mind, Cc? the guy who either votes present or takes the notions from as far left as you can go, based on his two long years as a candidate? that is neither thought nor long nor pedigree.

Posted by: snowbama | November 16, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

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