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The most important number in politics today

1

That's the number of issue areas where a majority of political independents approve of the job President Barack Obama is doing, according to a new Washington Post/ABC News national survey.

Only on international affairs does Obama get majority support with 57 percent of independents offering approval for the job he is doing.

The rest of Obama's approval scores among independents on the seven issues tested in the poll range from fair to borderline poor. Forty six percent approve of his handling of "the threat of terrorism" while 45 percent said he has done a good job on the economy.

Obama's job approval ratings are weaker among independents when it comes to health care (41 percent), Afghanistan (39 percent) and the budget deficit (37 percent).

While Obama maintains a positive job approval among independents (50 percent approve/47 percent disapprove) the broad skepticism toward how he is handling some of the country's critical priorities could spell trouble down the road for the president.

Take Afghanistan for instance. Obama has been mulling next steps in terms of U.S. involvement in the country for weeks now and there appear to be few good solutions available to him from a policy or a political perspective.

No matter what Obama decides then, it's likely to alienate some segment of political independents -- many of whom are already fleeing the Democratic standard.

In the short term, Obama's job approval numbers among independents are far more of a concern for those Democrats on the ballot in 2010 than for the president himself.

As the gubernatorial races in Virginia and New Jersey earlier this month showed, independents can no longer be counted on to side with Democrats in large numbers.

And, with Obama expected to make tough decisions on Afghanistan, health care and the deficit over the coming weeks and months, the challenge of courting independents is likely to grow tougher rather than easier for Democrats heading into the 2010 midterms.

By Chris Cillizza  |  November 17, 2009; 1:00 PM ET
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Debriefed? There was no time.

"Do you know anything about your cousin Osama's plot to fly planes into the WTC?"

"no"

"Thank you! for your cooperation, you can go."

Getting the bin Ladens out of the country was the highest priority of the Bush administration.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 18, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"now, that's the custom, fine. although it did bother me a little when on 9/12 he had 150 saudis and their retinues flown out of this country under heavy security, and US taxpayers footed the bill.

none of them were vetted, yet we know that saudi nationals were the actual perpetrators of 9/11 and have good information that some of the princes themselves may have funded the whole operation.

yet, oil and saudi lives are more important than american lives, so this is the way that worked out. that's your republican national security at work.

Posted by: drindl "

Um, yes the CIA debriefed those Sauds before flying them out for their own safety.

Pete

Posted by: Obaama | November 18, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

chortle,

"Under Friendly Veneer, China Pushes Back on Obama"

You can't make this up.

The only question is, of the two parties, which American political pastime is, as far as making something happen here, more shopworn?

Posted by: shrink2 | November 17, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

drindl, "good post mack" you don't get this or if you do, please, tell how this works for Obama, or even for you...


"As for the Chinese it can be claimed that at least 86 percent of the Chinese are happy that China is not exporting Chinese jobs to other nations.

It is unknown the number of Americans who are happy or unhappy with American jobs being exported since many Americans still do not realize that over 2 million American jobs have been exported overseas since 2002."

...then...

"Jobs are being exported because of labor costs, and not world-class education and skills.

Since some of the jobs were exported to China I am sure the Chinese are happy about this new business plan of American companies to dominate in the global economy."

Posted by: shrink2 | November 17, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

The as*es calling the kettle black. no one gives a f*ck what no-life losers think.
Drivl

yet you post your sewage all day ever day, regardless.

Posted by: snowbama | November 17, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

When you got nothing, you make a big deal of bowing. Or you just make stuff up, like "Obama appointed Hasan to his transition team!"

Pity the poor Republican! It's very hard to find an issue with Obama that doesn't ultimately rebound even worse on them. It's very frustrating for them, you can tell.

Posted by: nodebris | November 17, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

@joe - There is no Chinese emperor. I believe you are referring to the Japanese emperor. I agree that it's the most idiotic controversy I've ever seen ginned up. And I suspect that President Obama made the bow a little deeper just to tweek conservative foamatthemouthers.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 17, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

when i see mention of obama bowing, i never recall any similar outcry when george w bush used to hold hands with, and kiss on the lips, saudi princes.

now, that's the custom, fine. although it did bother me a little when on 9/12 he had 150 saudis and their retinues flown out of this country under heavy security, and US taxpayers footed the bill.

none of them were vetted, yet we know that saudi nationals were the actual perpetrators of 9/11 and have good information that some of the princes themselves may have funded the whole operation.

yet, oil and saudi lives are more important than american lives, so this is the way that worked out. that's your republican national security at work.

Posted by: drindl | November 17, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Master list of BHO fake controversies (updated):
1. Reverend Jeremiah Wright
2. William Ayers
3. Fistbumps
4. Non-existent whitey tape
5. Bogus Kenyan birth certificates

***

786. BHO bowed to Chinese emperor (comporting with international protocol as have 43 other U.S. presidents)

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 17, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I notice Jake has been resurrected. They tell me this might work on him as it once did on Larry Talbot:

"The way you walked was thorny, through no fault of your own, but as the rain enters the soil, the river enters the sea, so tears run to a predestined end. Your suffering is over, [Jake, HOF troll]. Now you will find peace."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 17, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

This is clearly a journalism free zone.

How do you cherry-pick this nonsense on the SAME day ABC news reports that BHO's approval is 56% (3% above his vote percentage in 2008), and support for the public option is at 72%?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/11/17/805234/-ABC-poll:-72-support-Public-Option

The Post serves a multicultural city that voted for BHO about 45 to 1, yet from the relentlessly anti-BHO tilt of this blog, you'd think it was in the East Tulsa Times. Good grief.

Meanwhile, no mention Phalin's book has been exposed as largely fictional by many including senior McCainiacs. And no mention her "book" was discounted almost instantly down to...$9. $9! And no mention that Phalin's coauthor is an associate of a notorious white supremacist. From Dr. Rachel Maddow on Meet the Press:

"MS. MADDOW: I, I do think that there's a little bit of reckoning that needs to happen on the right for Sarah Palin's success. I mean, she was the vice presidential nominee, she is going to sell a kazillion books and she is the biggest brand name in Republican politics still right now. And she's chose--the person who's writing her book, her last--the last person who she co-authored a book with was called "Donkey Cons" and it was co-authored with a guy who's widely believed to be and I believe him to be a white supremacist. So she's chosen Lynn Vincent, who's written a book with a white supremacist, to write her book, and she's the biggest name in Republican politics."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/4/789642/-Maddow-goes-after-Palins-affinity-for-White-Supremacists-on-MTP

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 17, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

good post, mack.

Posted by: drindl | November 17, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the reason we can't take the steps outlined in the business week article
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_45/b4107038217112.htm
Posted by: shrink2
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Viewers do not waste your time on this link

"Without world-class education and skills, Americans must compete with workers in other countries for jobs that could be moved anywhere."

Apparently the author refuses simple economic theory where if American jobs are allowed to be exported, the exportation of American jobs will continue until the cost of American jobs in the United States is equal to the cost of an American job performed by an overseas worker.

Jobs are being exported because of labor costs, and not world-class education and skills.

On the simple common sense side it is very difficult to understand how American jobs at call centers, weere exported overseas to individuals where English is a second language on the basis of world-education and skills.

Perhaps the author, who is the Harvard Business School competitiveness guru, has world-class education and skills, but he appears to have very little knowledge of economics, or to have common sense.

Posted by: bsallamack | November 17, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Well speaking of David Brooks in his current column, he notes,
"Eighty-six percent of Chinese believe their country is headed in the right direction, compared with 37 percent of Americans."
Posted by: shrink2
...........................
David Brooks is an ass.
==========================
True, but he's right in this case.
Posted by: sr31
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David Brooks is not an ass.

He is simply a columnist that makes up fake facts in his article. How else explain the figure of "86 percent of Chinese"? Has this come from a poll in country where the population has to be aware of what they say? On this basis it can be claimed that 99 percent of North Koreans believe that they are headed in the right direction.

When reading an article by David Brooks always look for the fake assumption or fact that he leads with.

A few weeks ago David Brooks had an article where unnamed military experts claimed we could win in Afghanistan but were concerned whether the President had the tenacity or male sex organ to send more American troops to Afghanistan. No mention of military strategy or how we would win just concern with the male sex organ of the President.

This is the type of article to be expected by David Brooks.

As for the Chinese it can be claimed that at least 86 percent of the Chinese are happy that China is not exporting Chinese jobs to other nations.

It is unknown the number of Americans who are happy or unhappy with American jobs being exported since many Americans still do not realize that over 2 million American jobs have been exported overseas since 2002.

Since some of the jobs were exported to China I am sure the Chinese are happy about this new business plan of American companies to dominate in the global economy.

Posted by: bsallamack | November 17, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

The Palm Beach Post reports that former Florida House Speaker and Republican senatorial candidate Marco Rubio took issue with President Ronald Reagan’s immigration platform at a Martin County Republican Womens Federated meeting today. The Post reports that Rubio “delivered a six-minute discourse on immigration policy” in which he slammed Reagan’s support of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA), which put undocumented immigrants on a path to legalization and made it illegal to knowingly hire unauthorized workers:

In 1986 Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to 3 million people. You know what happened, in addition to becoming 11 million a decade later? There were people trying to enter the country legally, who had done the paperwork, who were here legally, who were going through the process, who claimed, all of a sudden, ‘No, no no no , I’m illegal.’ Because it was easier to do the amnesty program than it was to do the legal process. [...]

Rubio later conceded that “he [Reagan] did it for the right reasons, but I think it ended up working the wrong way.” Rubio, the son of Cuban immigrants,"

'nuff said.

Posted by: drindl | November 17, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

In other news, Lloyd Blankfein hooks up with sugar daddy Warren Buffett for another Goldmine Stacks "work of God", this cutsy PR effort. Let's see how much of this money goes to hiring workers into sustainable jobs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/18/business/18goldman.html?hp

Posted by: shrink2 | November 17, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

On the list of 10 states in deep fiscal trouble, 8 of those 10 states have illustrious liberal neocom statist destructionist leadership and one CA is led by a Hollywood Rino. Aren’t most of US cities in fiscal trouble also led by regressives?

Posted by: leapin | November 17, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Fine -- let him do it. But in the interest of not wasting taxpayer's money, he should read the entire document without a break.

Posted by: drindl
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Just sign on the line. It's a low mileage beauty. Trust me. The gullible sheeple of today's Neocom Statist Destructionist Party.

Posted by: leapin | November 17, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

"Speaking to reporters last night, the Senate’s top obstructionist, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK), said that he would attempt to slow down progress on health care reform by insisting that the 1,000-page-plus health care reform bill be read aloud on the Senate floor. “The American people are going to get to hear this bill read, period,” said Coburn, adding that “he would also block other legislative shortcuts” in an effort to delay the bill, such as requiring “the Senate to use up the entire 30-hour debate period called for after a filibuster has been broken.” According to Roll Call, “earlier this month, Republican leadership aides said Coburn was unlikely to make such a move without the blessing of GOP leaders.”

Fine -- let him do it. But in the interest of not wasting taxpayer's money, he should read the entire document without a break.

Posted by: drindl | November 17, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Independents approve of Obama in foreign affairs because that is an area that does not affect their lives personally. It's distant enough from them that they can afford not to have strong opinions about what Obama is doing (or not doing).

Honestly, though, Obama has been pretty awkward in foreign affairs. That awkward bow to the Japanese emperor aside (sorry, but that bow did not show respect by Japanese standards--one does not dive forward into a bow while also shaking hands), Obama hasn't accomplished much.

Iraq is worse off than when Bush left office, or at least there is more fighting and no real developments politically there. Afghanistan is much worse off, and Obama appears uncertain about how to deal with it so far. Obama has shunned our allies in Eastern Europe in favor of placating Russia. Western Europeans generally loved Obama enough from the moment he was elected that they gave him a Nobel Prize almost the moment he took the oath of office, but I challenge anyone to find anything substantial that he has done in Europe outside of a distant promise of cutting nuclear weapons. Meanwhile, Iran sees that Obama is soft, and they are closer than ever to developing a nuclear bomb. North Korea, too, has been testing Obama with a series of missile tests, heightened rhetoric, and even a gun boat clash with the South.

But given that domestically and economically, where Obama has done a lot--he has sent the dollar into a tailspin on currency markets, driven up commodity prices, taken over corporations at huge taxpayer expense, etc., etc.--maybe doing nothing is something worthy of approval.

Posted by: blert | November 17, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

NOTHING OBAMA TRIES TO DO WILL MATTER UNTIL HE RESTORES CIVIL AND HUMAN RIGHTS IN AMERICA.

Case in point:

U.S. CENSORS NET WHILE OBAMA LECTURES CHINA ON NET CENSORSHIP

More "Stupid 'Humint' Surveillance Tricks" By "Fusion Center" Operatives

http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-censors-net-while-obama-lectures-china-net-censorship OR http://NowPublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener50 | November 17, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Benen is here:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/

He used to share the site with the inestimable Hilzoy, who regrettably retired from blogging after the election.

Posted by: nodebris | November 17, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

This is telling. But the truth is, rightwingers don't actually care about the Consitution. O'Reilly will just say it out loud, because he's a craven weinie.

'Since Attorney General Eric Holder announced his decision to move five Guantanamo Bay detainees — including Khalid Sheikh Mohammad — to New York for civilian trials on charges related to the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks, Fox News personalities have been up in arms. Karl Rove called it a “long-standing plot” by the Obama administration’s “left-wing lawyers who do not love America.”

But last night on Fox, the network’s top legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano — who has been known to disagree with Fox’s right-wing narratives on legal issues — disputed that view, citing the constitutional right to be tried in the place where the crime has been committed. “I don’t care about the Constitution!” host Bill O’Reilly responded. The debate continued:

O’REILLY: So why is he entitled to come to New York City to be tried in the civilian criminal court if he’s arrested in Pakistan?

NAPOLITANO: Because the document you don’t want me to talk about says when the government is going to prosecute you, it must do so in the place where the alleged harm was caused.'

Posted by: drindl | November 17, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

nodebris wrote (and provided evidence) that:
"You should knock at least 10 percentage points off any "opposed" numbers to represent the far left's complaints. When it comes to Afghanistan, particularly, it's possible that more than half of the opposition comes from the Left and clearly should not imply support of conservative alternatives."

You'd think that Cillizza would remember this, especially in a poll of Independents.

On Afghanistan, some will want to leave and some to stay, but since Obama hasn't decided yet, neither group is getting what they want ... yet.

Cillizza often seems to put things in the best light for Republicans. Maybe he's one himself, but I prefer to believe he just wants a close race for fun, thus always backs the trailing horse.


Posted by: kenonwenu | November 17, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

""Republicans tend to look at these evenly-split polls on health care and assume opponents of the bill are with the GOP. That's clearly not the case."

thanks for that, nodebris. I forgot benen is an actual analyst who doesn't try to spin everything for repubs. what's his link again?

Posted by: drindl | November 17, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't give a d*mn what he does, blade, he's still on here bloghogging 24 hours a day.

Posted by: drindl | November 17, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

more from the death cult:

Editor and Publisher reports that a newspaper in Michigan received a threat last week from a 60-year-old woman who said she would "do what they did at Fort Hood" because she was angry over an anti-tea party editorial.

The editorial in the Port Huron Times-Herald criticized a Republican congresswoman from the area, Rep. Candice Miller, for attending Michele Bachmann's Capitol Hill tea party, which the paper called a "GOP festival of hate."

"If Miller truly has signed up with the right-wing fringe -- the bigots, the hate-mongers and the Nazi-chanters -- all of us in the Blue Water Area might well need to take another look," it reads.

The paper is owned by Gannett, and the threat came into a Gannett customer service center in Kentucky at about noon Thursday.

The woman threatened to bring a gun and "do what they did at Fort Hood," according to police. Police went to the woman's home and took a statement from her.

The St. Clair County prosecutor is investigating the incident.

Posted by: drindl | November 17, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

'about as popular as dog crap on your doorstep'

pretty good description of the modern conservative movement.

Posted by: drindl | November 17, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"Most of the time, it seems as if the conventional wisdom assumes critics of the reform plan are necessarily on the right. But the CNN poll helps prove otherwise -- 46% support the reform bill, and another 10% would like it if it were more liberal.
*******

of course, you would likely lose TWICE as much support by doing so as you would gain.

dynamic systems are not liberal's strong points.

the president's policies are about as popular as dog crap on your doorstep. they get about the same amount of support as a Sarah Palin presidential bid: high 30's to low 40's.

Posted by: dummypants | November 17, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"When it comes to Afghanistan, particularly, it's possible that more than half of the opposition comes from the Left and clearly should not imply support of conservative alternatives."

Yes, like everyone I know.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 17, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Retired by definition is not unemployed. An unemployed person, at least according to Labor Dept. stats, is someone who is actively seeking work. By a broader definition, would want work but was unable to find it and has given up looking (so-called discouraged workers).

A retiree is presumably living off of a pension, investment income, or savings. You may as well say that Warren Buffett is unemployed.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 17, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

David Brooks is an ass.

==========================

True, but he's right in this case.

Posted by: sr31 | November 17, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Good News For Americans

America Leader In Exports

The business plan of American companies to export American jobs overseas began in 2002 and over 2 millions jobs have now been exported.

No other country in the world comes close to our lead in this area of exporting.

With every job in America that involves sitting in an office and using a computer and a telephone as a candidate for export overseas, America will remain a leader for many years in this new area of exporting.

Nothing will stop this new American leadership and dominance in the global economy.

Posted by: bsallamack | November 17, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Steve Benen looks at a CNN poll that took the extra step of asking why respondents oppose the current HCR proposal.

"Most of the time, it seems as if the conventional wisdom assumes critics of the reform plan are necessarily on the right. But the CNN poll helps prove otherwise -- 46% support the reform bill, and another 10% would like it if it were more liberal.

"Republicans tend to look at these evenly-split polls on health care and assume opponents of the bill are with the GOP. That's clearly not the case."

This confirms the point many have made that opposition to a particular policy cannot be directly and solely imputed to conservative strength and then used as evidence of a Republican surge. You should knock at least 10 percentage points off any "opposed" numbers to represent the far left's complaints. When it comes to Afghanistan, particularly, it's possible that more than half of the opposition comes from the Left and clearly should not imply support of conservative alternatives.

Posted by: nodebris | November 17, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

mnteng, thanks for setting the record straighter (I cannot hope for straight).

This was the second lame post on The Fix today. He really needs to think a bit before he writes.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | November 17, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

That wouldn't look as good for Rs, bsimon, so it just won't do.

In their world, you beleive what you want to beleive, like Humpty Dumpty.

Posted by: drindl | November 17, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

The death cult. O'Reilly drools at the idea of Pelosi murdered, it's too much even for Beck, who at least knows you're not supposed to *overtly* encourage people to murder Democrats on TV...

BECK: Last week, I head you say that — you were on with Dennis Miller. ... You two were talking about an insurrection coming.

O’REILLY: Tax revolt.

BECK: He used the word insurrection. And not in a comedic way.

O’REILLY: Yeah, tax revolt. I think people, when they figure out how badly they’re going to get hurt in the next few years, there’s going to be a tea party on taxes and its gonna get nasty. Nancy Pelosi’s going to be bobbing up and down in the Boston Harbor.

This statement appeared to be too much for Beck even, who replied, "Uh, I don’t think that’s necessary."

Posted by: drindl | November 17, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The Fix writes
"with Obama expected to make tough decisions on Afghanistan, health care and the deficit over the coming weeks and months, the challenge of courting independents is likely to grow tougher rather than easier for Democrats heading into the 2010 midterms."


Why? The Fix states an opinion, but fails to offer any compelling logic or data to support it, other than an apparent belief that, whatever the President decides, independents won't like it. Its fine to state an opinion, but try offering some reasoning or explanation in how you reach it. Right now your analysis seems to amount to: polls aren't as high as they were in January, therefore they will worsen. What you're failing to account for are the general impatience of the public with government. However, you also fail to account for the public being very forgiving if things eventually turn. We saw similar sentiment towards the Bush administration - the public gave him the benefit of the doubt until the evidence was overwhelming that things were on the wrong track. We're now seeing the inverse: people want results, now, whether that's a rational expectation or not (its not). If results start showing up over the next several months (i.e. we're already seeing indications the economy is stabilizing & slowly recovering), voters will rally back to the President & Dems. The Fix's fixation on today's polls & projecting them on next year's election is like taking today's value for the DOW & predicting which companies will be doing well in 12 months based solely on that data. Its ridiculous.

Posted by: bsimon1 | November 17, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

....but on second thought, is it accurate to categorize bald-faced lies, false witness and overt smears as non-fiction?

Posted by: TOMHERE | November 17, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

CC writes:
"political independents -- many of whom are already fleeing the Democratic standard."

Perhaps you need another look at the poll numbers. From Election Day last year until now, the percentages for party identification for the WaPo poll are (then/now): D 35/35, R 26/21, I 30/39. Same trend shows at pollster.com (http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/party-id.php). A good analysis would have included the fact that the Rs have been losing members to political "independents" and that Is are now more conservative (as a monolithic group) than before.

Posted by: mnteng | November 17, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I see both leapin and joked are unemployed. figures.

Posted by: drindl
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Unemployment, Not the Change dribble Hoped for. Increasingly brought to you by BO and today's Neocom Statist Destructionist Party.

Posted by: leapin | November 17, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the Palin book is in the wrong category. Somehow someone mistook it for non-fiction.
Hmmm... must have been her agent.
Or another "christian" bearing false witness.

Posted by: TOMHERE | November 17, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"Don't worry, I'm reading "Going Rogue" this afternoon so I won't be posting right now."

LOL. That's not reading. I beleive there's another word for it... onanism?

Posted by: drindl | November 17, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Retired folks are, by definition, unemployed. Don't worry, I'm reading "Going Rogue" this afternoon so I won't be posting right now.

Posted by: JakeD | November 17, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

From Andrew Kohut:

"Perhaps the best way to think about public opinion and its relationship to politics and policymaking is that the American public is typically short on facts, but often long on judgment."

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1379/polling-history-influence-policymaking-politics

Posted by: mnteng | November 17, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I see both leapin and joked are unemployed. figures.

Posted by: drindl | November 17, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

The as*es calling the kettle black. no one gives a f*ck what no-life losers think.

and now the good news from california:

GOP gubernatorial candidate Meg Whitman went on a radio ad blitz in October, but that only accounts for a part of a huge variance in polls on the race. At the beginning of the month, the Field Poll showed Whitman at 22 percent and fellow Republican Tom Campbell at 20 percent. At the end of the month, a Capitol Weekly/Probolsky poll showed Whitman at 34 percent and Campbell at 12.5 percent.

However, the Times poll found that two-thirds of the voters had "no impression" of Whitman or Campbell – and that all polling matching the Republicans against Democrats show Jerry Brown with a broad lead. Republican Steve Poizner was running well behind the others in all three polls."


Posted by: drindl | November 17, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

CC,
In six months you are going to have to eat a lot of crow for all these 'the sky is falling' articles. And even more in 12 months when the Demcrats hold their majorities in the House and Senate
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CC, like a lot of Americans, won't even be able to afford crow in 12 months due to the fantasy world and economics of today's Neocom Statist Destructionist Party.

Posted by: leapin | November 17, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

CC,
In six months you are going to have to eat a lot of crow for all these 'the sky is falling' articles. And even more in 12 months when the Demcrats hold their majorities in the House and Senate.

Posted by: AndyR3 | November 17, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Allow me to quote from the prior thread:

"Certainly one is a fool to deny reality, and there are lessons for Democrats in the Virginia defeat" as there is by the fact that pResident Obama has lost his hold of independent voters.

Posted by: nodebris | November 17, 2009 1:01 PM

Posted by: JakeD | November 17, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please help BO rearrange the deck chairs?

Posted by: leapin | November 17, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

So is "drindl".

Posted by: JakeD | November 17, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

The largest rightwing print outlet has just crashed and burned...

"Washington Times editorial page editor Richard Miniter is filing a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission against the paper today, alleging discrimination based on age, disability, and religion -- being forced to attend a Unification Church mass wedding -- and he will ask the government to enjoin the Times' assets, his lawyer tells TPM.

The development adds to an already daunting mess of problems at the newspaper, whose top executives were fired last week, and whose executive editor resigned.

"The state of affairs at the Washington Times, to put it mildly, is in disarray," attorney Larry Klayman tells TPM. "What we're seeking to do is to freeze everything right now." Klayman, whose firm is based in Washington and Florida, is the founder of conservative legal group Judicial Watch.

The Unification Church of Rev. Sun Myung Moon, whose son Preston controls the paper, is known for its mass weddings, in which Rev. Moon is said to often personally make matches based on photographs of brides and grooms."

Posted by: drindl | November 17, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

David Brooks is an ass.

Posted by: JakeD | November 17, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Another useless and baseless 'bad news for democrats' column. I see a pattern now. First there are two or three 'good news for republicans' columns, followed by one 'bad news for democrats' column.

Nothing is ever bad news for republicans, because conservatism can't be wrong.

Posted by: drindl | November 17, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

#1 is also where on the Bestseller List former Gov. Sarah Palin's "Going Rogue" remains ...

Posted by: JakeD | November 17, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Well speaking of David Brooks in his current column, he notes,

"Eighty-six percent of Chinese believe their country is headed in the right direction, compared with 37 percent of Americans."

What if this is true? What if America is headed in the wrong direction? Brooks presents it as a sort of spiritual crisis. But what if that isn't so and we are making really bad policy choices? Maybe the reason we can't take the steps outlined in the business week article

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_45/b4107038217112.htm

is because both parties outsourced our direction...to the crony capitalists.

As one of the commenters there says,

"The writer actually skips over the fact that US govt has all the characteristics of and on-going criminal enterprise; its bought and paid for by big money interests that erect barriers through bought and paid for legislation and (de)regulation that are intended to prevent any problem the country faces from being solved."

Posted by: shrink2 | November 17, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

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