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Audio: Recapping Kentucky's 4th District

Cillizza and VandeHei were on Washington Post Radio this morning to discuss their weekend reporting in Kentucky's 4th District and Indiana's 9th.

Listen to the audio here.

Read their latest newspaper article on the trip: "In Kentucky's 4th, Democrats Are Banking on a Familiar Face."

Follow the Ohio River Ramble coverage here.

By washingtonpost.com Editors  |  September 25, 2006; 7:31 AM ET
Categories:  House , Ohio River Ramble  
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>>>We need to stay till the Iraq government has some inkling of how to run a country, and defend itself

No, that's now what I said. I Disagree 100%. We need to leave and force them to respond. Theyve had more than enough time with their "Unity Government" to form a basic security unit and they have failed b/c we are a DESTABILIZING PRESENCE.

We MUST leave and force their hand. Iraq must solve its own problem regardless of who CAUSED the problem. It is THEIR country and they need to fix it. The best way to stabilize the country is though an international coalition including predominantly Iraq's neighbors and allies.

We MUST end the OCCUPATION in order to WIN in Iraq. Period. And that means leaving yesterday.

Posted by: F&B | September 25, 2006 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you F&B..Until we have an actual PLAN for Iraq we need to stay short term..The repugs are right about Iraq becoming a nest of terrorists albeit by our own doing..We need to stay till the Iraq government has some inkling of how to run a country, and defend itself..Sad part is, as i am reading what i am writing now, is the fact Afghanistan which seemed to be an actual model of democracy seems to be going in the other direction..Mark that up as another casualty of Shrubs failed policy in the mid east..

Posted by: TheIrishCurse | September 25, 2006 2:42 PM | Report abuse

whoa sorry for the double post. got an error the 1st time, really i did ;)

Posted by: F&B | September 25, 2006 2:10 PM | Report abuse

JEP,

The rule of law used in the Haliburton case is an old one. Defense contractors have in general been immune from liability when operating under the directions of the military. I think the ruling is a bit overly broad in its determination on this point. For a judge to make a determination prior to trial is a bit unusual, since the question can be fact intensive. So while I think the judge jumped the gun on the ruling, this is hardly cutting a new swath in the law.

Posted by: Zathras | September 25, 2006 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Macaca's TRUE true colors... The N-bomb. does it get any worse?

JEP, my latest line of thinking on Iraq (given the news of the NIE):

As a Liberal Democrat, I believe that we DO need to win the war in Iraq. We do. Pulling our troops out and allowing the country to adjust (thru their own political efforts and their own security efforts, with international guidance) is now the ONLY Winning Strategy.

Posted by: F&B | September 25, 2006 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Macaca's TRUE true colors... The N-bomb. does it get any worse?

JEP, my latest line of thinking on Iraq (given the news of the NIE):

As a Liberal Democrat, I believe that we DO need to win the war in Iraq. We do. Pulling our troops out and allowing the country to adjust (thru their own political efforts and their own security efforts, with international guidance) is now the ONLY Winning Strategy.

Posted by: F&B | September 25, 2006 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Check out the Salon article. Will this make waves?

Posted by: Mecaca's Choice | September 25, 2006 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Here's the other BIG story that got buried over the weekend.

BUSH FEDERAL APPOINTEE JUDGE DISMISSES HALLIBURTON CASE!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/22/AR2006092201513.html

Halliburton is now "officially" considered exempt from the rule of law, based on a federal judge, appointed by Bush, who actually DEFERS TO EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY in his ruling, which is an open endorsement by the judiciary of Bush's usurping of all our checks and balances under the "war-president's" executive umbrella.

Despite the fact they were civilian contractors, not military personel, these people are being denied justice based on military regulations. But somehow, in order to protect Texas' Halliburton Corporation, this judge has single-handedly converted all these civilians into military personel, with the stroke of a judicial pen.

Could it get any more plain?

We no longer have a system of checks and balances, this lower court has aquiesced, as will the higher courts.

Will the New Bush Supreme Court be any less inclined to sacrifice their precious judicial powers to their own ideological creators?

We already know the answer to that, the "supreme court selection of 2000" broke the mold, and they've been remaking it in their own image ever since.

Posted by: JEP | September 25, 2006 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"IRAQ HAS MADE TERRORISM WORSE.

That is now a definitive, factual statement."

Shouldn't this be proof enough, that it is time for all these desperate local Republican candidates AND the White House need to stop claiming "we are safer since 9-11"?

Maybe they need a disclaimer that says "if you disregard the war in Iraq..."

Maybe we WERE safer after 9-11, for one reason.

Because the whole world supported us.

However, the war in Iraq has lost us that support and turned many more potential terrorists against us, ideologically and vindictively.

How does that makes us safer?

If there is one "Big Lie" in the midst of all the little lies, it is "we are safer since 9-11," because it only tells the first part of the story.

Dropping the disclaimer just makes it an outright lie.

Posted by: JEP | September 25, 2006 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Had to repost this from the last thread, little surprise a headline like "DEMOCRATS LOOK STRONG IN NEW POLLS" WOULDN'T LAST AS LONG AS THE DIALOGUE IT WOULD GENERATE!!!

Posted by F&B on the last thread...
Finally a hint of recognition by The Fixers of the political realities facing the Republican party in the midwest.

But the WaPo.com editors still playing Rove's hand by burying what is clearly the most important story of the month:

Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Hurting U.S. Terror Fight

By Karen DeYoung

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/23/AR2006092301130.html

Dont get me wrong, im all for Baron Hill beating the tar our of the R incumbent, but is that story or the next one down ("Republican Fortunes Appear to Turn Rosier") REALLY more important the the NIE declaring that Iraq has made terrorism WORSE?

Repeat:

IRAQ HAS MADE TERRORISM WORSE.

That is now a definitive, factual statement.

"It's a very candid assessment," one intelligence official said yesterday of the estimate, the first formal examination of global terrorist trends written by the National Intelligence Council since the March 2003 invasion. "It's stating the obvious."

Obvious indeed.

Wake up folks.

Posted by: JEP | September 25, 2006 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Here we have a glimpse inot one of Allen's youthful forays into the land of Macaca...

"Shelton said he remembers Allen asking Lanahan where the local black residents lived..."

"local black residents..."???

I doubt that is how Allen framed it at the time...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 25, 2006 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I heard they are renaming that venerated Bush education policy failure, now called "no child left behind"..

Now it's Bush's "No crony left behind..." education policy.

Seems the Bush administration has spent much more time and money finding political allies instead of industry experts to manage their all-inclusive education program.

Kind of like they did in the Iraq "mess" and after Katrina. Few real experts, but lots of Bushies.

LBJ proved it once, the Bush family just keeps reminding us: Put a Texan in the White House and you'll have one in every US govt. office in the world.

Just look at the list of foreign diplomats we currently depend on to promote our nation's image abroad.

Most all of em' talk with a Texas drawl.

Posted by: JEP | September 25, 2006 11:50 AM | Report abuse

George Allen --scary racist freakshow:

'Shelton played football with Allen in the 1972 and 1973 seasons, according to the team media guides from those years. Shelton remembers Allen's attitudes about race surfacing early in their relationship. At one point, Shelton says, Allen nicknamed him "Wizard," after United Klans imperial wizard Robert Shelton. "He asked me if I was related at all," Shelton remembers. "I knew of that name, and I said absolutely not." Several former teammates confirmed that Shelton's team nickname was "Wizard," though no one contacted by Salon could confirm firsthand knowledge of the handle's origin. "Everyone called me 'Wizard' that knows me from those days," said Shelton. "My nickname stuck."

Shelton said he also remembers a disturbing deer hunting trip with Allen on land that was owned by the family of Billy Lanahan, a wide receiver on the team. After they had killed a deer, Shelton said he remembers Allen asking Lanahan where the local black residents lived. Shelton said Allen then drove the three of them to that neighborhood with the severed head of the deer. "He proceeded to take the doe's head and stuff it into a mailbox," Shelton said.'

Posted by: drindl | September 25, 2006 10:18 AM | Report abuse

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