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Video: Dem. Says Voters Should Consider Whether Bush Admin. Manipulates Gas Prices

Back to Kentukcy District 2 for a moment. In an earlier post Jim VandeHei mentioned that Democratic candidate Mike Weaver brought up the question of whether the Bush administration manipulates gas prices for political gain. Video of Weaver's statement is included below.

Click on the image to watch.

(Video by's Chet Rhodes).

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And what will you guys give me if gas prices do NOT suddenly jump 50-70 cents after the election?

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | September 24, 2006 10:42 PM | Report abuse

roo- I'll see your 70 cents, and raise you 50.

Posted by: Nor'Easter | September 24, 2006 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Best conspiracy theories are always proven afterwards. The price of petroleum will go up by at least $0.70 in the three weeks immediately following the election.

Posted by: roo | September 24, 2006 3:00 PM | Report abuse

It's not a question of Allen not knowing the issue existed. He did not know until the past couple weeks that his grandfather was Jewish. That's his mother's fault; not his.

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | September 24, 2006 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Sandwich Repairman-

You are apparently forgetting that the Jewish issue was brought up in 2003 and made Allen so upset he forced a retraction.Now, does that sound like somebody who had no idea the issue was out there? Let's not forget that a simple Google on his grandfather's last name pops up with the info. So, you'd have to believe that Allen heard the claim in 2003 and not believing it forced a retraction, knew his grandfather was incarcerated by the Nazi's, asked his mother about it and she, in 2003, believed it was dangerous to be a Jew and must be kept secret, and finally that Allen himself never once researched his grandfather's history online even though he knew there was some sort of history there. Right, and if you could please send me a check for $500,000 for that island property I'll gladly sell you in the middle of nearby Great Salt Lake. It's choice property... you can see the Statue Of Liberty on a clear day.

Posted by: DKinUT | September 24, 2006 5:41 AM | Report abuse

The noose, Confederate flag, and other stuff are reasonable proof of Allen's racism. That has nothing to do with his handling of recently discovering his grandfather was Jewish.

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | September 23, 2006 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Kingof: Apparntly you don't understand or not want to. The oil comps. are in this together and just who do they support? Try and use your head in a non political manner and it will be quite clear to you how this is being done. all kinds of "reasons" will/are being given just "Read between the lines" and "Listen for what they don't say". Hope this will help.

Posted by: lylepink | September 23, 2006 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I hardly believe Allen is great. My ass was volunteering all the time I could for Chuck Robb in 2000, including staying up for 30 hours in a row in Election Day. There is no evidence to suggest he knew of his Jewish background until the last few days. His mother hid it from his entire family out of fear and a desire to protect them, however irrationally. That's happened repeatedly with many people over the centuries in Jewish history. It can't be blamed on Sen. Allen himself.

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | September 23, 2006 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I am being severely maligned. I agree with Sandwich that the Laffer Curve has been discredited...

But perhaps you are talking about pork chops. We also eat pork and make jokes about it.. it's kind of like the fine old jewish tradition of acknowledging we are not perfect. One of the things I love best about Judaism.

But in Allen's case, I think you are being too kind. What he is saying is, 'I'm not one of them, I'm one of you.' Look at his cowboy boots and his nooses in his office and his confederate flags --this is a guy who has been running away from being jewish for his whole life. Who has been running for office as a racist from the very beginning.

You want to believe he's great, that's fine by me. But for myself, I don't think so. It's the noose. The noose clinches for me what his character is. I don't find lynching amusing.

Posted by: drindl | September 22, 2006 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Sandwich - By the Drindl Standard that makes you " a**.

You'll just have to live with it.

Posted by: Nor'Easter | September 22, 2006 7:05 PM | Report abuse

KZ, I've taken economics. The Laffer Curve has been thoroughly discredited. No creidble economist believes it; just ideologically-driven right-wingers who'd rather ignore the facts.

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | September 22, 2006 7:04 PM | Report abuse

EdA - With the propsoal as posed, you still haven't reduced Demand. We're still driving the same amount, and therefore using the same amount of gas (plus maybe a little more on the micro level, which may add up to a bit more gas sold by the oil Companies on the macro level).

Granted you will affect the delivery portion of the Supply side. But only, temporarily; and not in a way that can't be managed. Our largest source is Canada as Sandwich mentioned; so making delivery adjustments back to the wellheads there can be done much more quickly than the 60 days or so it would take for Persian Gulf oil.

So, there may be a small bump in the delivery process.

But, we're now making many more credit card transcations with this proposal. Who do you think will pay for the oil companies costs for those transactions eventually?

Lastly, with everybody going to the gas station every day, what's the one thing bound to develop? Gas lines. I hope that you've never had to deal with them. They waste huge amounts of time and energy; and immediately makes us all less productive and more irritable.

The proposal may have sounded creative, but I see it as a "Shoot yourself in the foot" scenario.

If you want to lower Demand, you need to have Americans either drive less, or use more efficient cars; or both. There are no gimmick solutions.

Posted by: Nor'Easter | September 22, 2006 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I also eat pork and make jokes about it. So what?

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | September 22, 2006 6:59 PM | Report abuse

We don't have the same oil companies up here as in the US either. Ultramar is not based in the US, and Petro-Canada is owned by the federal government. So some of the pricing decisions may indeed be taking place in Ottawa. The only one I can think of that's in both countries is Esso, which may or may not be owned by BP now (it kept its name when Esso in the US switched).

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | September 22, 2006 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Jason: Right, because Americans pay SO much attention to what goes on in Canada.

I give up. You can't disprove a conspiracy theory because every potential counterexample is co-opted as an argument for it.

EdA: Can you provide some examples or evidence of how US and Canadian prices rise and fall together?

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | September 22, 2006 6:50 PM | Report abuse

PLease tell me who controls the oil industry - Exxon, Hess, citgo, Shell, sunoco? I suppose they all got together to find a mutually agreeable price to charge. why do they change the price every day then? I know, george bush sends an email out every morning to set the price for the day. It depends on whether Laura yelled at him before breakfast or not. Keep talking, you are beginning to convince most voters that you are from another planet.
This whole idea is the problem with our political system. Until the Rs get a decent opposition party that isn't laughable, they will continue to have various screw-ups, but with no consequences because the alternative is so wacked out, you can't trust them not to get you killed.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 22, 2006 5:50 PM | Report abuse

EdA - that is the most lame-brained idea I have heard in a long time. after about three days the average intake for all cars would even out to the same. Instead of getting a full tank every Wednesday, I get 1/7 of a tank every day. but every other car out there is also getting 1/7 of a tank each day instead of 7 cars filling up each day of the week. This is the foggy thinking that pervades the Dems economic philosophy. did this idea get sent to you in an email?? did you take fuzzy math in one of those government schools?

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 22, 2006 5:48 PM | Report abuse

How oil prices can be rigged/fixed or whatever word you want to use are coming from folks that have never been in business or they would realize that to manipulate prices when you control the industry beeing manipulated is oh so easy as any business person knows or should know.

Posted by: lylepink | September 22, 2006 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Gas prices always drop in September. why is that such a surprise? Demand falls off after summer driving. but that fact would be detrimental to the grand conspiracy invented here. that is why I suggested an Econ course for you Dems. you might learn about the Laffer curve in there. you might learn that Marxism has been shown to be a failure, mostly because ignoring the human instinct of personal gain leads to welfare states with no workers. remember welfare reform, Clinton finally signed it after two tries. It worked. Making people earn something and proud to do it is effective. the victim mentality of you Dems is a losing strategy. when you lose elections (which you are very experienced and good at) you blame someone else (dog ate my ballot), when the truth is finally revealed - you call the press slanted. when Kerry is shown to be a self-serving giggollo, you invent a new class of victim - swiftboated. you rely on black votes and try to convince them they are perpetual victims. you try to show that a strong military is wrong and we are victimizing the world. can you take responsibility for anything and not blame it on someone else. Evidentally not by all the Bush bashing in here with no idea how to win.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 22, 2006 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Nor'Easter: Forceing oil companies to store the fuel not paid for and stored by 200,000,000 vehicles paid for in advance at retail prices would play havoc with the supply lines be they in tank cars, tankers,underground on every corner, etc..
Also paying by credit card, not of the oil company's, in small amounts each day should really get attention. Truckers could help their desiel prices by keeping those 200 gal tanks lower by a third.

Posted by: EdA | September 22, 2006 5:26 PM | Report abuse

don't get mad because we're swiftbaoting too. George said the stupid things, not us, we're juist exposing it to the voters. They pull the levers. You'll see. Oh and many many people here fo about 6 months now have been chiming that they just knew gas prices would drop dramatically towards election time. Look it up.

Posted by: Will | September 22, 2006 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I am braindead and your contribution is to cut and paste news articles. why don't you have a name, was that too inventive for you, too many ideas at once, too self-aware. I am amused at your folly. As usual the facts don't support the rhetoric.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 22, 2006 4:55 PM | Report abuse

'Clinton-era character assasination doesn't work anymore' -- onigod, I have never seen anybody who so utterly lacks self-awareness, who is so prone to unintentionally hilarious statements, so utterly utterly braindead and idea-free. A laff riot.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2006 4:43 PM | Report abuse

A Pasadena church on Thursday declared that it will refuse to comply with an IRS investigation into its tax-exemption status launched after a guest speaker was critical of President Bush in a sermon.

At a news conference attended by 50 cheering supporters gathered before the marble altar at All Saints Episcopal Church, the Rev. Ed Bacon said his 3,500-member congregation did not violate tax regulations barring tax-exempt organizations from endorsing or opposing candidates when a former rector, George F. Regas, criticized the Bush administration two days before the 2004 presidential election.

The Episcopal faith, the 58-year-old rector said, "calls us to speak to the issues of war and poverty, bigotry, torture, and all forms of terrorism ... always stopping short of supporting or opposing political parties or candidates for public office."

Joined by members of other faiths, he added, "We are also not here for ourselves alone but to defend the freedom of pulpits in faith communities throughout our land."

The All Saints case escalated a week ago when the IRS slapped the 80-year-old parish with a summons demanding that it turn over by Sept. 29 all materials, such as newsletters and sermons, produced during the 2004 election year with political references. Bacon was told to testify in person Oct. 11.

At stake, several religious leaders say, is freedom from government intimidation when churches address moral issues of the day from the pulpit.

In an interview, Richard Land, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, said, "Churches should not endorse political candidates. But the IRS is seriously out of kilter and wrong-headed on this one; it's an appalling intrusion and it smacks of intimidation."

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2006 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Are Webb's positions so weak that you ever fail to mention anything material to the election. Just slime over and over. Allen actually has a voting record, but you wouldn't know it in this swamp. Are you so racist and bigoted and shallow that a single issue can never emerge as interesting when so much muck is around to be raked by the dim of wit. Webb will lose because of his anti-war screed. no one but you lackies care whether Allen is Jewish or Steele is black. do you do this because you have no issues that deliver any heft. Except minimum wage, that is. Ha ha - losers. Clinton era character assissination isn't working any more. try something else or else.

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 22, 2006 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I see the tin-foil-hat conspiracy theorists are in full regalia today. Take an econ class and see just how amazingly stupid you are. how come none of you geniuses figured this was coming when the prices shot up a little while ago?

Posted by: kingofzouk | September 22, 2006 4:17 PM | Report abuse

President Bush portrays Musharraf as an ally in the war on terror and he recently praised Pakistan's cooperation with the U.S.

"They know the stakes about dealing with a violent form of ideological extremists," Mr. Bush said. "I view President Musharraf as somebody who would like to bring al Qaeda to justice."

But a veteran U.S. diplomat says "a more realistic position" is needed.

Former Ambassador Peter Thomsen, Special Envoy to Afghanistan during the first Bush administration, told CBS News the U.S. should put more pressure on Musharraf. He says Pakistan is "playing fireman and arsonist as it tries to have it both ways in Afghanistan and in the war on terror."

Another veteran U.S. diplomat, Teresita C. Schaffer, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for South Asia, says the meetings could send a firm message to Pakistan.

Musharraf must "make clear within his own system that it is not acceptable for the intelligence services to continue in close relations with their old friends in the Taliban," Schaffer, Director of the South Asia program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told CBS News.

Musharraf has disputed U.S. and Afghan government complaints that he is not doing enough to crack down on militants operating in the rugged border area.

The search for Osama bin Laden is also expected to be a prime topic for the meetings. Former Ambassador Thomsen is convinced Musharraf and his intelligence and military commanders know where bin Laden is hiding.

"The Pakistani military intelligence and the generals know exactly where he (bin Laden) is and they could inform us and we could do the job," Thomsen said. Yet Musharraf is very sensitive about any foreign military activity in his country.

Thomsen also blames elements in Pakistan for the resurgence in Taliban-inspired violence in Afghanistan. He says Pakistani intelligence "fosters the Islamist jihadist infrastructure" along the Afghan-Pakistan border."

As NATO dispatches more troops to Afghanistan, Thomsen warns, "war is going to continue to tear Afghanistan" as long as jihadists "spew out unlimited manpower" from Pakistan.

Thomsen suggests the U.S. put pressure on Pakistan. He says the administration should "be less complimentary of Pakistan" and by threatening to put Pakistan on the State Department's list of terror-sponsoring nations, we would get the attention of Musharraf and his commanders.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2006 3:39 PM | Report abuse

In my previous comment, I meant to say gas prices going down rather than up--but the logic is the same.

Posted by: Jason | September 22, 2006 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Re: Sandwich Repairman's question about gas prices also dropping in Canada. If you're intentionally trying to manipulate which party gets elected which is the allegation, then you don't want appear like that's being done. In other words if gas prices ONLY went up in the U.S., then the conspiracy would be too obvious and they (the oil companies) would be caught.

Posted by: Jason | September 22, 2006 2:54 PM | Report abuse

People complain about $3 a gallon for gas, yet hapily shell out $3 for a cup of coffee at Starbucks. You have to love America!

Posted by: Mikepcfl | September 22, 2006 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the domestic staffs and landscapers at those villas have Green Cards?

Posted by: Nor'Easter | September 22, 2006 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey Nor-easter -- I read an article recently about some of the most incredibly over-the-top expensive estates on the market in the US--and some of the most outlandish were around Houston. You know, places with 25 indoor swimming pools, 50 car garages, indoor riding rinks, that sort of thing. Turns out most of them belong to Middleastern sheiks and princes, who are right there in Houston, determining oil prices and policy...

Posted by: dridl | September 22, 2006 2:29 PM | Report abuse

EdA - Driving on near empty tanks is no different than driving on full tanks, if you still drive the same number of miles.

There have been bozo e-mails floating around the Internet for years calling for all sorts of gimmicks on the part of consumers, none of which call for the consumer to change their driving patterns.

Only if you drive less all around will you lower the demand for gas.

Besides, that additional daily stop at the gas station will result in a decrease in your MPG; thereby causing you to use more gas. Maybe not a lot for the individual driver, but extend that over 200,000,000 cars and the oil companies will be thanking us. You didn't happen to notice if that idea came out of Houston, did you?

Posted by: Nor'Easter | September 22, 2006 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"If Bush is manipulating gas prices, why has the price of gas in Canada fallen 30% in the last month?"

The pricing decisions are made in Houston, and not Ottowa. Could be that Canada is simply the benficiary of forces at work in the U. S. election process.

You keep saying "If Bush..." The power as to prices, which create the desired profit margin at a given time, say from now until November 7th, is not in the Oval Office, but in the corporate suites in Houston.

Posted by: Nor'Easter | September 22, 2006 2:17 PM | Report abuse

louisa: Welcome to the world of politics. For to even think the pols of today will even try to be cival to a member of the opposion party is, and has been for a long time now, becomming a thing of the past. Most folks I know will, at the very least, speak to their business and/or other enemys. Politics is a world by its self. No other rivals can come close.

Posted by: lylepink | September 22, 2006 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Sandwich Repairman: If supply and demand is the only reason for the steep price drop, and it may well be as simple as that as we saw the same thing shortly before the 2004 elections, consumers could push those forces further by driving on near empty tanks, and buying daily just what they need for that day. 200,000,000 tanks would really fill the pipe line of supply.

Posted by: EdA | September 22, 2006 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I have noticed that Diesel is not coming down in price. Why not? If unleaded is down significantly because of economic factors, why isn't diesel coming down?

Posted by: Merry | September 22, 2006 1:57 PM | Report abuse

first line should say: MANIPULATED supply and demand (for political/personal benefit of those with political/industry ties)

Posted by: F&B | September 22, 2006 1:54 PM | Report abuse

To answer any that ask about about reasons for Canada prices at the pump dropping like US prices, prices except for health care, pretty much ape each other between US and Canada when adjusted for like areas, taxes, and currency values. Our economies are so intertwined.

Posted by: EdA | September 22, 2006 1:54 PM | Report abuse

When he flaunts eating food that he knows is forbidden? What was the point of that? Pork chops for chrissake --it was just taunting. Or when he said that asking if he was jewish was 'casting an aspersion' -- in other words, an insult.

But if you like racists from california who keep a noose and a confederate flag in their office, he's your boy.

Posted by: drindl | September 22, 2006 1:48 PM | Report abuse

drindl, I'm Jewish, and I don't see how Allen hates us.

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | September 22, 2006 1:46 PM | Report abuse

>>>why has the price of gas in Canada fallen 30% in the last month?

Supply and demand.

Even the most corrupt industries need to occasionally give the APPEARANCE of a free market when in-fact the price adjustments are calculated to keep pressure off the political situation. Clearly, Canada has a huge role to play in the United States' oil imports, and thus, that simply backs up the arguement FOR a conspiracy by indicating that the Canadian govt has a huge interest in manipulating the supply of exports to the USA.

not to be lost:

Gore accuses big oil of bankrolling Tories

Former U.S. vice-president Al Gore has accused the oil industry of financially backing the Tories and their "ultra-conservative leader" to protect its stake in Alberta's lucrative oilsands.

Oil is an OLD and DYING industry. Those promoting it are only doing so out of personal interest/benefit.

Posted by: F&B | September 22, 2006 1:45 PM | Report abuse

EdA: So if that's what's going on, why have those same oil companies dropped the price of gas in Canada by 30% in a month?

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | September 22, 2006 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"In the few short years since the first shackled Afghan shuffled off to Guantanamo," Patrick Quinn of the Associated Press wrote this week, "the U.S. military has created a global network of overseas prisons, its islands of high security keeping 14,000 detainees beyond the reach of established law. . . . Captured on battlefields, pulled from beds at midnight, grabbed off streets as suspected insurgents, tens of thousands now have passed through U.S. detention."

They live in cages. They have no rights. They're in our custody forever, or until we decide, inscrutably, that we're done with them and eject them, broken, back into whatever remains of their lives.

Only the hard-shell security extremists continue to insist that this is necessary, that we're safer because of it. For the rest of us, the sham is becoming more and more bizarre, and in spite of ourselves we find ourselves empathizing, to the extent possible, with the shattered detainees our government insists are our enemies.

The president hopes that empathy will never trump fear, and that his Christian supporters keep believing that the core Bible verses they learned as children -- Matthew 25:40, for instance ("And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me'") -- aren't meant to be taken seriously.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2006 1:40 PM | Report abuse

William Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, a conservative publication, said the incident especially "struck a nerve with Jewish Republicans."

"It's simply the way he handled it," Mr. Kristol said.

Posted by: Toast | September 22, 2006 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Bush doesn't need to do anything to effect the price of gas at the pump. If the powers setting the price, beyond supply and demand, believe that could keep elected officials who cater to them in office, that's all that is necessary.
Just protecting your investment!!!!

Posted by: EdA | September 22, 2006 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"WASHINGTON, Sept. 21 -- In one of the more awkward moments surrounding the disclosure of his Jewish heritage this week, Senator George Allen, Republican of Virginia, volunteered that his background had hardly inspired him to start keeping kosher.

"I still had a ham sandwich for lunch," Mr. Allen told The Richmond Times-Dispatch, referring to rules against eating pork, "and my mother made great pork chops."

Had to share. Is it even possible that this guy could be more nasty, dismissive and insulting to jews? He clearly really hates them--including his mother. What an a**.

Posted by: drindl | September 22, 2006 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Jack: If that's true, why have the oil companies dropped gas prices in Canada so precipitously?

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | September 22, 2006 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a citizen, or even a permanent resident of Canada. It can be done. Your best bet is to get into school here, or get a job here.

But I'd still like to know how or why Bush would be causing the price of gas in Montreal to fall 30% in a month.

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | September 22, 2006 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Weaver does make a good point. The price of oil has pretty much settled around $62.00 a gallon and gas prices still seem to be falling. It is possible that the oil companies are lowering prices to help keep the party in power that caters to their interests. I wouldn't put it past anyone.

Posted by: Jack | September 22, 2006 1:11 PM | Report abuse

' Is Bush planning to invade the north too?'

God only knows, my friend. I doubt it, though... it wasn't in the Project for a New Century document that detailed their plans to take over the Middle East. Just joking, but you do have oil, you know, so who knows?

So you used to live here, and now live in Montreal. Was it difficult to get citizenship? I'm looking into colleges for my daughter up there -- and a little piece of land for us.

Posted by: drindl | September 22, 2006 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Another fact being ignored here: America's #1 source of oil is not Saudi Arabia. It's Canada. Even OPEC has an increasingly limited ability to manipulate the price of oil in the market. And Bush has far less ability than they do. I'd like to hear someone explain how Bush could plausibly manipulate the price of crude oil in the world market. You know what DOES affect those prices? Demand and consumption. If you use gas, you're helping boost the price of oil and gas. If you want the price of gas to come down, stop using it.

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | September 22, 2006 1:00 PM | Report abuse

JEP, I worked in the Senate for over 3 years during the Bush Administration. I'm hardly naive, nor do I expect anyone else to be. If Bush is manipulating gas prices, why has the price of gas in Canada fallen 30% in the last month? Somehow no one feeding this conspiracy theory has attempted to answer that question. Ignoring inconvenient facts is something we should leave to the right, not fall into ourselves. Shall I send you pictures of the gas station across the street from me?

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | September 22, 2006 12:54 PM | Report abuse

JEP, first where are you getting that price data from? Second, the infrastructure to distribute any fuel but gas to stations throughout the country is absolutely not there, and cannot be created overnight. There are small efforts going on now to require more E85 pumps around the country, but even that will take a long time. Finally, even with biofuels or other "green" solutions, the amount of energy yielded per dollar expended (including the energy to get it and put it in a form cars can use), is much higher than it is for gasoline. The truth is that from an energy perspective, gas is about the most efficient realistic fuel we have. That may change if real pressure is put on researching and developing other fuels, and as the oil we take from the earth gets more and more expensive and energy-intensive to produce per barrel. But the bottom line is that no combination of "green" car fuels or new technology will ever be able to meet our energy needs in a sustainable, affordable way. The only REAL solution is that we have to reduce consumption. I'm not talking about 500mpg cars, though that is possible and would help. I mean we have to redesign our cities and rethink our policies so that most people don't need cars at all. That is the only way out of the pending crisis.

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | September 22, 2006 12:52 PM | Report abuse

drindl, I agree with you on BushCo's general incompetence and maliciousness, but how do you explain the plummeting gas prices in Canada? Is Bush planning to invade the north too?

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | September 22, 2006 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"But suggesting that Bush or his cronies are manipulating gas prices is just an intellectually lazy non-starter."

So are you suggesting Bandahar "Bush" and his Saudi royal family can't manipulate the price of oil?

Get serious.

The Saudis have little else to bargain with, and the Bushes are their American connections.

...don't pretend to be naive. And don't expect us to ignore the simple truth.

Posted by: JEP | September 22, 2006 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Well you know, I guess it's because the administration is in the oil business and is so deeply in love with the saudis and such, and because we know from their past deeds that they can't be trusted--with anything. If you know they are capable of doing anything to win, you just expect these sorts of dirty tricks. You may be right, you may be wrong. It must be amusing to you to watch the circus of american politics.

Here's some gross incompetence or major theft of taxpayer dollars, or both:

'More than 1,100 laptop computers have vanished from the Department of Commerce since 2001, including nearly 250 from the Census Bureau containing such personal information as names, incomes and Social Security numbers, federal officials said yesterday.

This disclosure by the department came in response to a request by the House Committee on Government Reform, which this summer asked 17 federal departments to detail any loss of computers holding sensitive personal information.

Of the 10 departments that have responded, the losses at Commerce are "by far the most egregious," said David Marin, staff director for the committee. He added that the silence of the remaining seven departments could reflect their reluctance to reveal problems of similar magnitude.

Posted by: dridl | September 22, 2006 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"wait til skyrocketing demand and dwindling supplies raise gas prices to $5 and $10 a gallon"

Biofuels right now are already hovering at around $2 a gallon, and some applied technology could lower that even further.

When will it become apparent this oil beast is a desperate monopoly, not a free-enterprise industry?

We are talking, quite accurately, about $5 to $10 per gallon gas, while we already have cheaper bio-products available for both the diesel and the gas markets.

Something just doesn't add up, if want to you believe this is a capitalist society.

Posted by: JEP | September 22, 2006 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Well John, it probably has a lot to do with 1) the end of fighting in Lebanon, 2) the discovery of new oil in the Gulf of Mexico, and 3) the end of summer driving season, which leads the price of gas to fall at this same time every year. I'm in Montreal, Quebec, and the price of gas here has fallen from $1.244/L last month to $.889/L today. In gallons and US dollars, that's a drop from $4.30 to $3.00. (Sidenote: $3 gas is hardly anything to complain about. This is about the lowest it's been in the past year here--and the *only* reason why gas costs more in Canada than the US is that it's taxed more heavily. Canada is a net exporter of oil, which is why the Loonie does well on high oil prices, and despite common perceptions, is America's #1 source of oil. Just wait til skyrocketing demand and dwindling supplies raise gas prices to $5 and $10 a gallon.)

So I'll ask the question I do regularly in different variations: if Bush or his administration is manipulating the price of gas in the US for political reasons, why has the price of gas in Canada fallen 30% in one month? We desperately need to get off fossil fuels and achieve energy independence. But suggesting that Bush or his cronies are manipulating gas prices is just an intellectually lazy non-starter.

Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | September 22, 2006 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Lying liars in CT:

'Sub base politics is hitting some very rough waters in Eastern Connecticut. Democratic challenger Joe Courtney is calling Republican Rep. Rob Simmons a hypocrite for saying he did nothing to help save the base after praising him in a personal phone call.
Every incumbent politician who was involved in working to save the sub base in Groton seems to be touting it in their political ads. In this week's 2nd District congressional debate Rep. Simmons did it. After the debate he launched a TV commercial.

Simmons TV Commercial: "Rob Simmons helped save the sub base and Simmons is working to build two subs a year here. What's Courtney done? Nothing. Nothing. Nothing."

Courtney is crying foul and calling Simmons a hypocrite because of a voice-mail that Simmons left for Courtney praising him for not politicizing the sub base issue.

"I just wanted to say how much I respect your decision back on May 13 not to take political advantage of the process, uh, uh, I think that was the high road. I think that without the support of everybody involved we wouldn't have been successful," Simmons said in the call.

"For him to turn around and take a shot at me that I'm a zero, or was a zero, in terms of the sub base, when he personally thanked me for helping keep the state united politically, to me is really sad," Courtney said.

Simmons' campaign acknowledges the phone call but is dismissing Courtney's criticism. '

Posted by: louisa | September 22, 2006 12:38 PM | Report abuse

You never get a satisfactory answer on that. You are just told, that's complicated, important stuff you couldn't possibly understand.

And in any case, once the war with Iran heats up ga prices will go through the roof, and the ability to manipulate will be gone.

Posted by: drindl | September 22, 2006 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I think this video raises very good questions. What HAS caused gas prices to fall 75 cents so suddently in the last month or so?

Posted by: John | September 22, 2006 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Weaver makes a lot of good points after the initial assertion regarding price manipulation.

I hate to complain (this is overall a neat idea) but who's holding the video camera and how much beer did that person have before shooting this clip? In parts of it the motion makes me dizzy even on the small screen. I do a better job on my kid's birthday parties.

Posted by: Judge C. Crater | September 22, 2006 12:17 PM | Report abuse

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