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Immigration: Readers Help Parse the Polls

It is very gratifying to see the intelligent (and generally) polite discussion going on in the comments section today. I know the issue of immigration (both legal and illegal) is a heated one, and I appreciate the fact that most posters have chosen to address the question raised by this morning's "Parsing the Polls" without slipping into name-calling.

I've been scanning the various theories readers offered to explain the seeming disconnect between the attention and passion focused on the immigration issue and its single-digit showing in surveys that ask voters to rank the most important national priorities. Here are a few responses that intrigued me.

"Andy R" wrote early today that immigration fits into a category of "dealbreaker" issues (in his words) like abortion and gun control. Under that theory, there is one issue for each voter that serves as an initial litmus test for any candidate. If a candidate is on the opposite side of the person on a dealbreaker issue, he or she will not win that voter's support no matter how much agreement they have in other areas. It seems that dealbreaker voters are another iteration of single-issue voters who make their decisions solely based on a candidates' stance on a particular issue. These dealbreaker voters weed out candidates that they can't support because of a single issue but then go on to analyze where candidates acceptable to them on the dealbreaker issue stand on other concerns as well.

"Brent Parrish" echoes the sentiment of Democratic pollster Fred Yang when he writes "most people have deeply conflicted values at play in this issue." Parrish goes on to note that Americans believe in the idea of the United States as a country of immigrants but also as a country built on the rule of law. Even Democrats I have talked to are -- privately -- sympathetic to the Republicans' plight on the issue. There is no easy answer that will make everyone (or even a majority) happy -- a dangerous proposition for the party in power just seven months from a midterm election.

Finally, I thought a comment by "Virginia Dare" expanded on the idea that polls testing "Immigration" as a priority do not accurately measure the level of concern about the issue in the country. "If so and so many Americans say their # 1 concern is 'security,' there is obviously an immigration component to that," writes Dare. Following that logic, national security, education, health care, jobs and the economy are all touched by the tentacles of immigration and should be considered when assessing its importance to the electorate.

Thanks again for all the interesting thoughts.

By Chris Cillizza  |  March 29, 2006; 6:17 PM ET
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Posted by: gxlk0xo@lycos.com | August 25, 2006 4:56 AM | Report abuse

Aji Daniel

Deivullathil house

Soorand P.O,

Kollam

Kerala

India

Dear Sir,

I got your address from the web site, I introduce myself to you my name is Aji Daniel; I belong in a village of kerala India. Sir I got an admission in a folk high school in your country (Soltun Folkhighschool 9440 Evenskjet). The school granted me a partial scholarship and they asked me to pay the balance amount of fee. Sir I am a engance man, my father is a farmer he can not afford the amount to pay. Sir I humbly request to you to pay the balance amount to me, sir please issue me any kind of grants other things sir begs your pardon I am very interested to study in your country and wanted to know your people and culture and social development

I wait your replay in positive answer I also include the schools letter.

Yours Faithfully

Aji Daniel


. .

FOLKEH0GSKOLE

S0lTUN

Aji Daniel

Dejvullathil House Sooranad p.o. pin 690522 Kerala

India

03 February 2006

ASSURANCE OF ACCEPTANCE

for Aji Daniel, born 31th of May 1971.

Weare happy to infonn that you will be accepted as a student for the academic year 2006/2007 on the group Peacebuilding. You have also been granted our partial scholarship (stipendiat) for the school year.

SCHOOL YEAR

The school starts August 24th 2006 and will finish May 12th 2007.

STAY PERMIT (For applicants from countries outside the EU.)

You have to contact the nearest Norwegian Embassy to get a stay permit as soon as possible. Show

them this acceptance letter.

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The Norwegian Foreign Department requires that we infonn you of the following:

1. You must have documentation showing that you have deposited your school fees in the

schools bank account - see attached letter.

2. In addition you must document that you have pocket money for your personal needs minimum

NOK 1.700,- pro month. NOK 15.300,- for the school year.

3. Further that a school year at a Norwegian folk high school will not be credited you if you wish

to continue your studies at a higher level in Norway.

4. Stay permits granted for a year at a Norwegian folk high school will nonnally not be renewed.

ECONOMY

The admission fee (to be paid when you confirm the acceptance: Fees for board and lodging - are covered by your scholarship: Fees for excursions, books and materials:

There will be an extra charge for a longer trip for the whole school:

In addition there are fees for the group you have chosen:

Amount NOK:

1.050

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6.000

11.000 16.000

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Total:

34.050

Payment of school fees and additional expenses will be charged in two equal parts.

Soltun Folkehegskole 9440 Evenskjer

Rektor/Principal: Gunnar Arne Eriksson

Foretaksnurnmer: 963679157

Tlf: +47-77089930 Fax:+47 -77089940

Email: soltun@soltun.fhs.no Internett: www.soltun.fhs.no

Bankgiro: 8220.02.83968 Postgiro: 0536 4681854

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ARRIVAL

There are several ways of travelling to Soltun:

. By plane to Harstad/Narvik - Evenes airport (Evenes is about 14 km from the school. After every arrival a bus leaves for Harstad. This bus passes Soltun and the bus stop is called Elvemo. All bus drivers know where Soltun is. We will be happy to meet you at the airport if you let us know your flight number, date and time of arrival).

. Train from Oslo - Trondheim to Fauske and bus to leikvikhamn. (The night train from Trondheim to Bodf2J corresponds with an express bus to Fauske. This bus goes to Harstad - please note that you get on the bus to Harstad and not to Narvik. Your bus stop is leikvikhamn near the Tjeldsund Bridge. If you are coming by train and bus, please let us know ahead of time and we will meet you at leikvikhamn.)

. It's also possible to go by train to Narvik and then by bus from Narvik to Evenskjer.lf

you call Soltun before you arrive, we can meet you at the airport or at the bus stop.

If you send us a photo, we will send you a student-identification card that will qualify you for discount on plane, train and bus.

Please confirm within three weeks whether you will accept the place in our school or not. We are happy to welcome you to Norway and to Soltun folkehf2Jgskole.

Yours sincerely

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La! Gunnar Arne Eriksson (sign.)

~' Principal

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Posted by: ajidaniel | May 18, 2006 1:18 AM | Report abuse

America needs to address the real problem and not just temporarily fix it with a bandaid. Vicente Fox fails to feed his own people. Corruption in every part of their government. Amnesty is not a solution. Democrats are whoring out themselves for votes. Poor irresponsible mexican families have too many kids. Why should my tax dollars go to feed their families. We don't need any new laws! We need to enforce the current ones. I have been turned down for jobs because I am not bilingual. That should be illegal. They should speak english, not the opposite. My son says his class is slowed down by mexican kids who can't speak english. The entire class is dumbed-down for them. America will become a socialist country. And it will be too late to change to make changes. I will then move to Canada. I am mexican, and am sick and tired.

Posted by: Al Gonzales | April 12, 2006 9:26 AM | Report abuse

The oppossition against the illegal immigrants from Mexico sounds like and is racism. No matter how some try to say it. Those shouting the loudest really are fearful that someday and very soon we will have more Hispanic political leaders, oh, and a huge hispanic population. There already are many of us and we aren't all uneducated, non-voters those of us who are legal and haven't been made ashamed of our heritage support these hardworking people. If the shoe were on the other foot, I'm sure it would be a different story. I have experienced discrimmination recently with many racist comments by people who needed a little helping hand, people of their own race wouldn't reach out to help them. I was good enough to serve them, but because of my ethnicity, I'm no longer good enough to be in this country and I was here when (where I reside) was a part of Mexico. I have Native American and Swedish roots as well.
It comes down to one thing--- a racist attitude, but one day all have to be accountable one day or another whatever your belief system is. I hear people worrying about their neighborhoods going down hill, you don't need immigrants to effect those situations. Working hard and getting an education for thier children, so they can make a contribution to society and to America is all the majority of what Latinos want, no different from anyone else, except they have to take whatever jobs they can get if illegal. If people would stop whining and complaining and move in a more positive direction not a heartless, selfish, negative one, so much could be accomplished. Setting goals for tolerence and working together to make this country better than it already is without so much division and hatred should be what counts.

Posted by: Niki | April 10, 2006 12:28 AM | Report abuse

It's astonishing to see how willing so many Members of Congress are to pander to what Lincoln might have called "our worst angels" and whip up passions against undocumented workers.

I wonder how many of these same Members pander equally to the business community on nearly every non-immigration issue. What are they going to do when the INS starts to hammer employers in their districts for hiring undocumented workers?

It makes me want to scream. Fortunately, we still have the right of parody in this country. To that end...

"Tancredo Calls for Catapult to Return Aliens"
http://www.eyewitnessmuse.com/musings.php?p=203

Posted by: The Eyewitness Muse | March 30, 2006 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

Another reason people are only now screaming is that the press is changing the way the topic is being reported. Many of the sheep in the US only care about what the press tells them to care about.

If ABC/CBS/NBC came out with stories about how the poor wirkers from Mexico are being mistreated and cheated by their employers then Americans clamor and scream that we must protect the poor people.

But when those same newcasters report on the illegal immigrants flooding into the country straining the limited resourses of the local communities that are unable to deal with infrastructure expenses, people get up in arms and demand something be done about it.

Our politicians then make speeches catering to whichever group happens to be making the most noise at the time and never actually take a stand or get anything accomplished.

In addition, these are largely localize effects. While I agree this affects us all in the abstract, only limited numbers of communities are affected. Within the affected areas, there is a lot of clamor. If they have the ear of the press that week, they get the national attention.

When the press shifts its attention to something else "newsworthy" to get ratings, that will become the new national crisis issue.

Posted by: Dan | March 30, 2006 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Virginia
If the shoe fits, wear it.
Adios

Posted by: Eric Yendall | March 30, 2006 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Eric says:

"Anyone who argues that these illegal immigrants are doing harm to the economy, employment, wages or whatever is simply expressing an ignorant opinion with no facts to support it. Those who argue about cultural impact, lack of assimilation, not speaking English etc. etc. are essentially nativist bigots driven by ignorance and fear in a changing world beyond their comprehension. If the shoe fits wear it."

And anyone who grossly mischaracterizes the views of a majority of the American people, and then insults them with name-calling, is a boor.

Goodbye, Eric.


Posted by: Virginia Dare | March 30, 2006 11:51 AM | Report abuse

It's the economy, stupid.

Lou Dobbs is a fraud and economic illiterate. In pursuing self-aggrandisement and personal financial gain, he panders to the populist ignorance, fears, prejudices of the American working class (who he misleads and patronises by calling "middle class"). Dobbs benefits finacially by the insight of P.T.Barnam: "Nobody ever went broke under-estimating the intelligence of the American public". You see this at work every evening on CNN, and all day long on Fox News (an oxymoron).

You can argue or debate until you are blue in the face, but the reason 12 million illegals are here is because Americans wanted then here. Producers, manufacturers, and consumers all. No one can conclusively demonstrate that he has been harmed significantly by illegal immigration to the point where it is a national rather than a personal problem. The best objective studies on the impact of illegal migration on labour rates suggest a very low 3-5% decrease in the low-skilled wage-a marginal impact at best. Not surprising that wages are somewhat depressed; the contrary would go against the most fundamental laws of economics. Wages need to be restrained if you want to maintain your standard of living.

Anyone who argues that these illegal immigrants are doing harm to the economy, employment, wages or whatever is simply expressing an ignorant opinion with no facts to support it.

Those who argue about cultural impact, lack of assimilation, not speaking English etc. etc. are essentially nativist bigots driven by ignorance and fear in a changing world beyond their comprehension. If the shoe fits wear it.

Then we have those who seem to think the issue is decided by piously intoning the mantra that illegal immigrants have broken the law. Problem solved. Do away with them. Such a though is the beginning of thinking and judgment, not the conclusion. It doesn't lead to any useful conclusion. Apart from the fact that there are very few Americans who haven't broken some law or another, (let he who is without sin cast the first stone) what do you propose doing with the 12 million or so? In very practical terms: Who is going to do it? Law enforcement is already overburdened with much higher priorities. Where are you going to put them, the jails are already overcrowded? How are you going to move them, mass deportations in cattle-cars? What are you going to do with the children, most of whom are American citizens? Who are you going to blame when your economy goes down the tubes as a result?

Nobody, including myself, likes the idea of illegal immigration. The problem is not a bad law but a bad immigration policy. It is not meeting the need and is therefore not respected. Prohibition was not respected and thus largely ignored by the thinking public. These immigrants are illegal only by virtue of the fact that they didn't arrive through a bureaucratic process. They are law-breakers not criminals. The answer is simple: change the process and give them access to it. Amnesty is the onbly practical and humane solution. Forget guest-worker, that is just a political fig leaf. Legalise what can't be stopped i.e. those who are here now, and determine systematically what is actually needed by the economy. Regulate it, document it and manage it so that new illegal immigration is checked. Then your borders will be secure without mines, walls or vigilantes.

Those who believe, without evidence, that willing American workers are being displaced might concentrate on requiring ALL employers to provide full medical coverage for their employees, which might bias employers, at the margin, to favour native-born unskilled workers with smaller families, and discourage employment of illegals. This would benefit all workers. Nonsense about raising the minimum wage is just that, nonsense. Such a tax on jobs would harm all unskilled workers whether legal or not. Economics 101.

Its the economy, stupid

Posted by: Eric Yendall | March 30, 2006 11:43 AM | Report abuse

It's the economy, stupid.

Lou Dobbs is a fraud and economic illiterate. In pursuing self-aggrandisement and personal financial gain, he panders to the populist ignorance, fears, prejudices of the American working class (who he misleads and patronises by calling "middle class"). Dobbs benefits finacially by the insight of P.T.Barnam: "Nobody ever went broke under-estimating the intelligence of the American public". You see this at work every evening on CNN, and all day long on Fox News (an oxymoron).

You can argue or debate until you are blue in the face, but the reason 12 million illegals are here is because Americans wanted then here. Producers, manufacturers, and consumers all. No one can conclusively demonstrate that he has been harmed significantly by illegal immigration to the point where it is a national rather than a personal problem. The best objective studies on the impact of illegal migration on labour rates suggest a very low 3-5% decrease in the low-skilled wage-a marginal impact at best. Not surprising that wages are somewhat depressed; the contrary would go against the most fundamental laws of economics. Wages need to be restrained if you want to maintain your standard of living.

Anyone who argues that these illegal immigrants are doing harm to the economy, employment, wages or whatever is simply expressing an ignorant opinion with no facts to support it.

Those who argue about cultural impact, lack of assimilation, not speaking English etc. etc. are essentially nativist bigots driven by ignorance and fear in a changing world beyond their comprehension. If the shoe fits wear it.

Then we have those who seem to think the issue is decided by piously intoning the mantra that illegal immigrants have broken the law. Problem solved. Do away with them. Such a though is the beginning of thinking and judgment, not the conclusion. It doesn't lead to any useful conclusion. Apart from the fact that there are very few Americans who haven't broken some law or another, (let he who is without sin cast the first stone) what do you propose doing with the 12 million or so? In very practical terms: Who is going to do it? Law enforcement is already overburdened with much higher priorities. Where are you going to put them, the jails are already overcrowded? How are you going to move them, mass deportations in cattle-cars? What are you going to do with the children, most of whom are American citizens? Who are you going to blame when your economy goes down the tubes as a result?

Nobody, including myself, likes the idea of illegal immigration. The problem is not a bad law but a bad immigration policy. It is not meeting the need and is therefore not respected. Prohibition was not respected and thus largely ignored by the thinking public. These immigrants are illegal only by virtue of the fact that they didn't arrive through a bureaucratic process. They are law-breakers not criminals. The answer is simple: change the process and give them access to it. Amnesty is the onbly practical and humane solution. Forget guest-worker, that is just a political fig leaf. Legalise what can't be stopped i.e. those who are here now, and determine systematically what is actually needed by the economy. Regulate it, document it and manage it so that new illegal immigration is checked. Then your borders will be secure without mines, walls or vigilantes.

Those who believe, without evidence, that willing American workers are being displaced might concentrate on requiring ALL employers to provide full medical coverage for their employees, which might bias employers, at the margin, to favour native-born unskilled workers with smaller families, and discourage employment of illegals. This would benefit all workers. Nonsense about raising the minimum wage is just that, nonsense. Such a tax on jobs would harm all unskilled workers whether legal or not. Economics 101.

Its the economy, stupid

Posted by: Eric Yendall | March 30, 2006 11:42 AM | Report abuse

It's all boiling down to as that Warden said in the movie " Cool Hand Luke " " What we have here is a failure to communicate." Cause it doesn't matter what the Senate does as long as they don't decide to put up a wall cause if they do we are going to the same thing that was going on in Berlin, when they had their WALL UP.

Posted by: edward b. coy | March 30, 2006 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I support the Specter proposal, or some version thereof, for dealing with the illegal immigrants now within our borders. They must have a reason to come out of the shadows, and we are better off not having wages driven down by this "race to the bottom" fed by the employment of illegals. I do not support a large guest worker program, which will perpetuate the problem.

I question the premise that we are talking mostly about jobs "that Americans won't do." America's labor market is shifting rapidly to a predominance of low paying positions. With General Motors now set to layoff 30,000 hourly and 2500 salaried workers, for example, and Delphi shedding old workers and offering $10 per hour to the new ones, a lot of formerly middle class workers will be looking for alternatives. They follow the displaced airline mechanics, the steelworkers, etc. Recent history teaches that, despite much touted re-education and re-training, 27% will find new jobs at or above their old wage and 73% will find a lower paid job or no job at all. These displaced workers do no deserve to be competing for jobs in the slave labor wage environment.

Requiring employers to hire only legal workers and stringently enforcing that requirement is key to restraining illegal immigration. Of course, that is the law now, but enforcement is minimal or non-existent. New, enforced, provisions should include (1)substantial fines and jail time for the employers (the CEO et al, not the file clerk)who hire illegals and (2) a program where whistle-blowers are rewarded financially.

Employment limited to legal workers is the fence that we need to build.

Posted by: Fair Employment Proponent | March 30, 2006 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Every one seems to want this as an election wedge issue, and noone seems to want to recognize the elephant in the living room. We cannot and willnot solve the illegal immigration issue until we deal with the illegally low salaries and living conditions to which farm workers in particular are regularily subjected. Yes, the illegal immigrants are taking jobs that noone else wants. And trust me, as presently construed, our economy would fall apart rapidly if we were able to STOP illegal immigration. Would U S citzens take these often back breaking jobs IF we paid a decent salary and benefits. Perhaps we will never know. We do know that they will not take them now. Those who would build fences and sit on them with shotguns had best prepare to pay double cost for thier food etc if they are successful. It is MUCH more complicated that either side is letting on. This one will not be solved with 30 second sound bites, altho elections may well me won or lost that way.

Posted by: wayne p | March 30, 2006 10:37 AM | Report abuse

If the President of the U.S. and his cohorts break the law, i.e. we don't need to bother with the constitution, or FISA, then why would we expect to see any of them enforce the border's?? It's a very simple concept this illegal issue. Business and large farming corporations (at least 80% of the farming industry is owned by corporation)want "cheap" labor which they don't have to pay the other end of SS/Medicare or state witholdings". So, we hire illegal, cheap labor, let twenty of them live in one house. Let Middle class america pay for their medical bills.(Medicaid & chairty w/o). Our profit margin is greater and that's what this is all about! PROFIT MARGINS. Since our government is in the pocket of business and corporations, the borders will never be secured and this problem will be just one more election year promise that goes unfufilled! Thanks

Posted by: Sue F | March 30, 2006 10:24 AM | Report abuse

The whole deal is really overpopulation. We
can't feed what we have here now why should we allow that many more that will put the hungry here that much farther down
the line. Let's feed and rebuild the the hurricane mess first. Get the invaders out of the U.S. then and only then will we let
more in. I don't to be like India 1 billion
that would put our grandchildren on a trash
pile trying to find something to eat.
Do none of you people realize that we are having a serious droubt in the southwest U.S. and how long will it last? I
don't want my children or yours going hungry. And I don't want to turn the U.S.
into a 3rd world country. We better STOP and THINK what's comming before we make any
fatal mistakes.
Like the old saying " When you're up to your ass in alligators, it's a little late
to think about draining the swamp".
We need to think about this invasion deal
LONG and HARD, before we screw ourselves away from the table. Thank You.

Posted by: Vic Bailey | March 30, 2006 10:19 AM | Report abuse

In 1986, we had an amnesty - and promise of penalties for employers who hired illegals - that was touted as essentially ending illegal immigration. Why did that not work?

The magnet was and is jobs. In the last twenty years, precious little enforcement of those employment regulations has occurred. Check out the GAO report - INS is still promising to get around to setting its goals and "outcome" measures for such work! If new immigration rules are promulgated and employment enforcement is again promised, what basis have we to believe that such enforcement would occur?

Posted by: Fair Employment Proponent | March 30, 2006 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Wonder if Mexico isn't going to get Texas, Arizona and Texas back without firing a shot?
If our politicians allow that, Mexico may as well take the entire country. I'm a legal immigrant. Uncle Sam kept track of me until I became a citizen. That didn't seem to be such a hardship. But,in those days we expected to abide by the Constitution and U.S. laws.

Posted by: Ann Garrett | March 30, 2006 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Last weekend I went to visit the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island and I was struck with something while reading everyone's comments. If our economy and our nation need immigration why is it so hard to come into our country? During the European immigration of the early 1900's you had all immigrants come through a central location (Ellis Island) to steamline the process. The Irish, Italian, German etc.. immigrants would just get on a boat, sail to NY, and spend some time in Ellis (quarantine for diseases mostly) Then given a handshake and sent on their way to live the american dream. Now I know this is an over-simplified view, but why can't we set-up a Ellis Island II in say El Paso, and San Diego.
Currently it takes years to get legal entry into the US. Most of these folks would happily go through a shorter more streamlined process. That way we can ensure security and continue to bring in the labor force that is needed to drive our economy.

PS Thanks for writing up my entry Chris, and your summary was pretty accurate too.

Posted by: Andy R | March 30, 2006 8:44 AM | Report abuse

>>>Even Democrats I have talked to are -- privately -- sympathetic to the Republicans' plight on the issue.

Which plight would that be, Chris?

The plight to make illegal immigrants FELONS?

Or the plight in which they SAY that illegal immigrants are taking Americans' jobs despite the actual reality on the ground?

Please do explain...

And if you want to know why this issue is hard to "poll", you will have to understand that this is an ethnic/cultural and an economic issue. Since we have had Security and Iraq crammed down our throats since 9/11, is it any wonder that main stream America was not paying attention to Immigration? The ones paying the most attention to this issue are clearly Latinos and small business owners who utilize their labor. You shouldnt need a pollster to tell you that.

Morton, do you really believe that building a 2,000 mile Wall of fence and barbed wire and security cameras is going to be effective or a good idea or even POSSIBLE? Same for the Northern border.

How about we address the disastrous neocon foreign and economic policy to quash terrorism and illegal immigration. As you said, we have a Constitution. LETS USE IT. and NOT TORTURE, and NOT lie to Congress and NOT spy on vegans and NOT go to war preemptively with no rationale and NOT drive up catastrophic debt and deficit, and give a pathway to illegal aliens so there is NOT a suppressed, "off-the-books" Underclass is American society. Who cares how they got here, they are here and they have suffered enough for the right to be free.

Posted by: FairAndBalanced? | March 30, 2006 8:37 AM | Report abuse

It sounds like you're basically ranting.

Next time, try a reasonable tone.

Posted by: Morton | March 30, 2006 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Not going to mention that the Demoncrats rolled out a message platform yesterday, huh? Way to be fair and balanced in your coverage.

Posted by: hello | March 30, 2006 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Let's see if they were black and illegal it would be a different story, Haiti for instance, send them back with out question. Untill it's not about color how can we have this debate. Mexican aren't the only one's who want to come to America for a better life.

Posted by: Ronda | March 30, 2006 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Hey, there's nothing racial here. But this is what it has come too. Legal immigration is certainly a plus for America. But I must stress that this process must carried out "legally", and by rule of law. Not so that Vincente Fox can rid himself of millions of people that Mexico cannot support. I understand,and respect,that the vast majority of these people are hard working,honest people. G.W. and the Capitol Hill gang are not interested in what you or I have to say about this or any other issue...only "re-election".It doesn't really matter 25 years down the road we will be living in a "Socialist Republic". We will be the ones to blame,but our children and grandchildren will bear pain.

Posted by: Morton | March 30, 2006 12:16 AM | Report abuse

um... thats a little extreme.

how bout we make it easier for immigrants to come here (give me your tired, your poor, and whatnot) and then enforce the rules to keep others from coming in illegally? immigrants are good-- lets get some the legal way, and without the racial slurs.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 29, 2006 11:26 PM | Report abuse

I have no idea what all the "crap" is about,it's really quite simple. Get this. Over two-hundred years ago these really smart old guys got together and thought,"hey let's write The United States Constitution!" Now this little document has shaped the greatest country in the in the history of mankind. There is more humanity in this country than has ever been displayed throughout all of history. My point is that we have laws, a process by which millions of immigrants have come to America(legally)and in many ways shaped the very fabric of American culture. It will be an abomination to all those who went through the process(legally)and took pride in calling themselves Americans. These Mexican Illegals believe America is their "birth-right". And why not? Judges now believe it's their right to inject their personal feelings into the law and sentencing. A child rapist has more rights than the little girl he brutallized for years...virtually no punishment! The little girl,a prisoner in her own mind,for the rest of her life!!! Drug dealers go through a revolving door. Oh ya the kicker...if your a "really hot" FEMALE teacher you can screw your 15 year-old students. And get rich from the soon to come book, movie,and centerfold spread. Only in America. Our Constitution is overlooked and disregarded. We don't need to overhaul "Immigration Law", it only needs to be ENFORCED!!! Biuld a fence and juice it up. Cover the entire Mexican border,and don't forget that big strech of open border to our North...terrorists won't. Poncho Villa is laughing his wet backside off!!!

Posted by: Morton | March 29, 2006 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Leon -

Sometimes laws have to reflect reality. It's also against the law for elderly people to buy drugs from Canada. Should we enforce those laws to the max?

http://www.intrepidliberaljournal.blogspot.com

Posted by: Intrepid Liberal Journal | March 29, 2006 8:26 PM | Report abuse

We have laws in place to solve the problem, just enforce them to the max.

Posted by: Leon | March 29, 2006 7:30 PM | Report abuse

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