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The Republican problem objectified. Photo by istockphoto.com

The headline coming out of today's USA Today/Gallup poll is that the American people see conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh and former vice president Dick Cheney as the two most prominent leaders of the Republican party.

Cable television has been all over the story and the Democratic National Committee got in on the act -- sending out a release touting the poll with the headline "'Nuff Said" and featuring an MSNBC screen shot of Limbaugh, Cheney as well as Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga.).

While the relative prominence of Cheney, Limbaugh et al is the sexy headline, the important number to focus on when calculating the future electoral prospects of the GOP is 47 percent. That's the percentage of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who were unable to name a single leader of the national GOP.

Compare that to just 16 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents who were unable to name a leader of their party and you begin to grasp the depth of the problem for the GOP.

It's not that 13 percent of the public thinks Limbaugh is the leader of the party or that 10 percent think Cheney is the chief spokesman -- those are relatively paltry numbers that are stoked, at least in part, by Democrats' desire to elevate those sorts of unpopular voices into prominence and a willingness by both men to allow that to happen.

It's that roughly half of self-identified Republicans have no idea who leads their party or could even offer a name of who might. For a party searching for its soul, that is a very troubling number.

What those numbers mean is that there is no one voice rising above the din as the party debates what direction it should head. There's Cheney and Newt and Limbaugh as well as former governor Mitt Romney (Mass.), Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford and all the rest speaking at about the same decibel level -- creating a cacophony instead of consensus.

Some students of history suggest that this leadership vacuum is the natural course of events for a party that finds itself out of power at every turn in Washington.

Polling done by CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll in 2001 asked Democrats to name the leader of their party. Among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, 59 percent could not name a party leader. Former Vice President Al Gore led with nine percent, former Rep. Dick Gephardt (Mo.) at 8 percent, former Sen. Tom Daschle (S.D.) at 7 percent and former President Bill Clinton at 6 percent. (Hat tip to Post polling unit for pulling those numbers.)

Republicans must hope that one or two people in the current mix of would-be leaders -- preferably not Limbaugh or Cheney due to their high negatives among Independent voters -- emerge in the next six months and begins to point the party in a specific direction. If not, they could find themselves at sea politically for the foreseeable future.

By Chris Cillizza  |  June 10, 2009; 5:00 PM ET
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When the meadia starts looking like there's sympathy for the Republicans the Vent of Nausa really begin to hit Peptobismal stage really early in the morning.

Posted by: jackolantyrn356 | June 13, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

what about joe the plumber

Posted by: Glimpy | June 12, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

What would I like from my Republican leaders in Congress? Just this: BE a loyal opposition. That doesn't mean obstructionism, and continuous blatant partisan posturing... anything "they" are for, "we" are against... it means trying to be part of a solution, not rooting for the problem.

"We" (meaning Republicans) also voted for this man in some numbers. I'm not convinced about some of his policy preferences, either, or those of Congress (either before or after the Democrats got control of it)... but give them an honest shot at dealing with all the problems, before you toss in every criticism you can imagine, especially shots that you KNOW are specious, even if you think they are amusing to see in print.

And quit trying to make "Liberal" an obscene word, or a synonym of "Socialist". There ARE Liberal Republicans... although most have been intimidated or shamed into calling themselves "Moderate-" or "Libertarian-" Republicans. Now that the Neocon Wing has had its chance at bat, and struck out, maybe we should look to other voices than radio demagogues and Darth Cheney, one of the chief architects of the undoing of the party (and almost that of the country).

Posted by: Observer44 | June 11, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Cheney jumps from one blowhard to another. Now they have even broken out John "Gone" McCain and Snewt "What evers convenient" Gingrich. Communism worst weapon WAS right wing talk propaganda radio. They have finally reached their end. The American people are on to these tyrants. Cheney won't quite squealing until the statue of limitations bails him out. Hopefully charges will be filled the day before.

Posted by: kimkimminni1 | June 11, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I love it, the blind leading the blind. The voter proved in the last 2 elections that we will no longer be blinded by the likes of Faux News and other elite mouth pieces. We are ready for the next election and wish it was tomorrow. The R party will go down big.

Posted by: SWAMPYPD | June 11, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

FoxNews, Hannity, The GOP, Bill Orielly, Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh are the cause of what happen yesturday in Washington DC at the Holocaust Museum and last week to Dr Tiller with all they're hate talk on TV. It's such a shame as a American to see this. No matter what, President Obama, the Jews, Judge Satomayor and many more are humans beings and God created us all.

Posted by: mattadamsdietmanager1014 | June 11, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

As a Republican I can say I'm happy with those speaking up. We don't have to decide right now who the next nominee is. We have four years To pick someone to run against
Commissar NoBama. We might even come up with a smooth talking alien to run against the Commissar.


Posted by: 1uncle | June 11, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

If 47% of Republicans can't name leaders of our party, I can help them out. Our Senate Leaders are Mitch McConnell & John Cornyn, while Jon Kyl does alot of work behind the scenes. The leaders in the House are John Boehner & Eric Cantor. Our national Spokesperson is Micheal Steele. In the grassroots efforts, our leaders are Mark Sanford, Bobby Jindal & Rick Perry. As far as moderate leadership: Tim Pawlenty, Lyndsey Graham & John McCain. Pawlenty is a very conservative moderate that's easily liked.

The front-runners for President at this point has to be Mark Sanford & Tim Pawlenty. Others looking at the race is Mitt Romney, John Ensign, Sarah Palin & Newt Gingrich. Romney is a significant voice in our party, especially on economics. But Sanford & Pawlenty are our front-running elected leaders.

Posted by: reason5 | June 11, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

God help us if we no longer have a viable two-party system; and God help us if Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, et.al. become the leaders of the Republican Party, because that will make the Republicans irrelevant.

Posted by: EddieV | June 11, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Ed Shultz is right about Rush the "drugster" and newt the "newtster" and Palin the "idiot" all are making Democrats look like brain czars.

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

have you people seen the bouncing 'Rush' on MSNBC and Keith Olbermann. Funny ace shiiiiiddddd pal. Next time you get a chance. Tune into Keith and the bouncing Rush...huuuuuuh'larious.

Posted by: opp88 | June 11, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Breandan:

No one said those Democrats are exactly "high-intelligence" voters ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 11, 2009 5:40 AM | Report abuse

Of course, no one forced Huntsman to accept any position. I know if I wanted to run for President, I'd stay put.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 11, 2009 4:06 AM | Report abuse

Chris: To be honest, the stand-out number from that poll for me isn't the 47% of Republicans who can't name a party leader...it's the 16% of Democrats who can't.

16%! Have they not looked at a newspaper or a television in the last year? I doubt there's 16% of the rest of the world that wouldn't name Barack Obama as the leader of the Democratic Party.

Posted by: Breandan_from_Ireland | June 11, 2009 2:15 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Palin/Newter would be a riot. She would want to be on the top of the ticket of course, so she could, you know, shake things up.

Imagine how easy she would be to manipulate, how completely easy it would be for the people who made W dance like a marionette to make Sarah pirouette however they wanted. Just appeal to her ambition, her self-absorption, her idiot faith, and they could get anything they wanted from her. The world on a platter.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 2:13 AM | Report abuse

Oh, he's a canny politician all right, if there was any doubt of that just look at the Sotomayor nomination. She can't lose and Republican *leapt* onto their spears over it.

Huntsman was not only the right pick but got him a threefer: a well-filled ambassadorial post, armor against charges of partisanship, and an electoral challenge removed.


baDUMP

Almost Machiavellian

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 11, 2009 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Huntsman is extremely qualified and was a great pick.

It also deprives the GOP of a viable candidate. Palin/Gingrich would be the most hilariously bad ticket of all time.

But Obama is a genius for plucking away quality republicans, and he even tried to get 60 seats in the senate with judd gregg but then fell though he had to convince Specter to jump ship.

I love Obama but he is still a politician.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | June 11, 2009 1:17 AM | Report abuse

I nominate jaked as the voice of the conservative movement.

Posted by: nodebris | June 11, 2009 1:07 AM | Report abuse

So it Mitt Romney the guy that most Americans would most like to have a beer with?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

peteywheatstraw:

You will be attacked if you don't tow the line for Obama 100%

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Ah, so now Obama's maturity and bipartisanship are part of a nefarious plot to deprive the GOP of serious candidates, huh?

Huntsman was an excellent choice for ambassador to China. He was also the last sane Mormon Republican. Don't think Obama is going to give any important position to someone like the whack jobs vying for the next presidential nomination, none of them are anywhere near responsible enough.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

If you'd like a simple determination of what the Readers Who Comment come here for, peruse the posts on this or any other The Fix comment section and take note of who writes in the first person, the second person, and in the third person.

For the GOP posters, that means I / we (1), you (2), or he / they (3).

There is only one poster here who almost always writes in the first person. Guess why that is.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

John Huntsman was the best chance the republicans had and Obama sent him to China.

If anyone of worth steps up in the GOP Obama will just draft them and take them out of the picture.

Palin/Gingrich 2012

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | June 10, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

longbow65:

Like I told you before, it's no use trying to reason with them.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

The normal definition of "sl*t" of course is having sex with more than one person.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

What is it with you guys and Reagan? He was a disgrace. As for his fiscal behavior, where the HELL do you get your information?!? He championed deficits. Sheesh.

Too bad lying doesn't hurt.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

If Letterman called Palin a sl*t, good on him. When she thought she was talking to Sarkozy she flirted with him. She winked at the audience during the debates like a vamp. The designation is accurate.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey longbow, I know a lot more about Communism in application than you do. I vacation in a Communist country every year. The people get a hell of a better deal than they did when someone we liked was in charge. If you expect me to believe an barely-literate wall-punching GOP troll over my own eyes, you better hold your breath.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

hey longbow, welcome to Scrivenerland. Go check in with your shrink

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks: "Nice try though."

Fact of the matter is that the 19% or so who still identify with the GOP are overwhelmingly Limbaugh devotees. They get their views from him, they get their arguments from him, they get their beliefs from him. They think Obama is a Muslim ineligible by birth to be president, they think it's an outrage that a CEO was fired by the government, they deny science, they viciously oppose their own self-interest.

To say that Limbaugh is some marginal media creation is to ignore the reality, but then you guys are good at that, you've had so much practice.

The media are working to destroy the GOP? Nuts. It was the GOP that put rotten humans like Bush and Cheney in the top slots, it was the GOP that tried to tell us Sarah Palin was ready for a top slot. The GOP needs no help destroying itself, they have already succeeded in doing so.

Blame whoever you like if it helps you sleep nights, but the party is corrupt, incompetent, extreme, and, overwhelmingly, STUPID.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Most of the Republican posters, here, think Limbaugh is a media creation and a gas-bag. The Republican's face an uphill battle in getting rid of their wing nut image because leftist partisan's like you, Chris, keep painting that picture for the gerbils that read your screeds . Right now, the entire party is in a state of anarchy. The nut jobs, however, aren't really responsible, peope controlling the media, like you, are. Now, I'm not wild about Republican policies, in general, but the degree to which the media is distorting them is both depressing and dangerous. This morning, on MSNBC, this twit anchorperson, I think her name was Contessa Brewer, had a film clip where David Letterman called Palin a sl*t and said her other daughter was knocked up in Yankee Stadium by some baseball player while Palin was watching. Awful stuff. She had some talk radio commentator on and kept asking him just why Palin should be so upset. She turned off his microphone, disregarded his answers, and basically called Palin and unstable and overly sensitive nut on national television. And this was supposed to be a news cast! You are getting the same thing with the Post, MSNBC, CNN, NYT, et all. It's like they are channeling some left wing version of Fox. So, no one knows, least of all Republican's, what their party stands for because the media has been engaged in an all out and rather blatant attempt to destroy them and distort any rational message they might have. At the same time, these folk have climbed so far up Obama's b*tt, he would need to have a glass navel for them to see actual events. I don't much care for either party, right now, but the degree to which we are seeing a polarization Fox-Limbaugh on one side and MSNBC-WaPost-NYT-CNN on the other, is very dangerous. The polls tend to show this, too. As wildly popular as Obama is right now, almost no one actually agrees with his policies or even understands what his policies are. The Democrats are as confused and deranged as the Republican's and you can start placing the blame with the news media, both left and right. So, why not start acting like a responsible member of the media, criticize both sides, point out the roll of the Ms. Brewers (and, god god, Chris, Keith Obermann) in creating and fostering this mess, and help start some intelligent discourse. It just might save this country.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 10, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

@chrisfox8,
Check on this for me. It was pulled off of a radical news site and I was curious if there was any credible information. You know how the internet is.

A 164-page dossier and all the other documents sent to Eric Holder, attorney general, describing suspected criminal activity associated with Obama and his supporters. It described a whole campaign of cyber crimes, intimidation, harassment, defamation and assassination of character, and the mysterious impersonation of her and U.S. Army officer Scott Easterling by persons unknown. It showed screen shots of information being erased from the docket of the Supreme Court and contained information of court cases being created and fabricated in order to commit voter fraud and sway public opinion.

The package also contained the astounding list of 100 addresses for Barack Obama with numerous different Social Security numbers, issued all over the country and attached to those addresses.

It showed the ad dress Obama used in Somerville , Mass. , attached to the Social Security of a man who, if still living, is 118 years old. It showed evidence of Obama committing perjury, lying under oath. It had his school registration from Indonesia under the name Barry Soetoro, citizen of Indonesia , religion: Muslim. Right after this page there was a page of Obama’s registration to become an attorney and office of the court in Illinois , where he stated under oath that his name is Barack Hussein Obama and he had no other prior names. It contained a report from federal agent Steven Coffman, stating that there are numerous signs of forgery in his Selective Service certificate.

Posted by: longbow65 | June 10, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: newbeeboy
To put my level of concern in perspective..I never cared what Clinton did for 8 years or what Bush did for 8 years...
.. I like reading what all of you write.. I respect your opinions... and when I go to the voting booth.. I will honestly consider your input.. honestly...
==========================

This is exactly what I was talking about chrisfox8. An innocent impressionable child is exposed to radical left wing communist philosophy and really believes it is a credible option to consider. You should be ashamed of yourself.

To put it in perspective newbeeboy, it really does not matter because all of the presidents from Carter to Obama (excluding Ronald Reagan) made some stride to put us in the position we are now in. Fruitcakes like chrisfox8 believe that because he has a hate filled existence with middle class citizens, they are not worthy of an American dream. The dreams should be handed out by the government on a whim and not for achievement. Remember that Capitalism shares the wealth and Socialism shares the misery.

Posted by: longbow65 | June 10, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

What folks are missing is the critical difference between GOP and conservative. I see a coming revival of fiscal conservatism and who that leader is will emerge in good time.

iwantmypartyback.org

Posted by: BandWagon | June 10, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: newbeeboy
To put my level of concern in perspective..I never cared what Clinton did for 8 years or what Bush did for 8 years...
.. I like reading what all of you write.. I respect your opinions... and when I go to the voting booth.. I will honestly consider your input.. honestly...
==========================

This is exactly what I was talking about chrisfox8. An innocent impressionable child is exposed to radical left wing communist philosophy and really believes it is a credible option to consider. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Posted by: longbow65 | June 10, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I believe you, newbeeboy. I've seen your posts about the Democrats in the past. 100% compliance is a must for these wackos.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

He's not "defending the GOP," he's trolling for attention. He piggybacks on issues like abortion to get attention, but the attention is what it's all about.

Since he has nothing else to do, he's here all day.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

jrosco3,
Yeah, this place is crawling with a GOPer troll named JakeD, who is such a loser that he spends his whole day, every single day, on here defending what's left of the GOP.


I'm guessing that he spends alot of time spanking his monkey with his hand too.


Posted by: DrainYou | June 10, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I was interested to post an entry today until I skimmed through the 100 vitriolic posts penned by a small number of people. The rules under Post a Comment state: " . . . personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site." Unfortunately, these rules are not being enforced.

The entries in the comments section are offensive, inappropriate and generally cast the site in an unpleasant light resulting in a chilling effect on this reader's desire to regularly visit and contribute to the site. Many people who used to submit thoughtful posts are no longer posting, and that's too bad.

Posted by: jrosco3 | June 10, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

No you're not, you're just another stupid GOP troll

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

It is seriously time for a new center-right third party.

:-)

Posted by: toritto | June 10, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

cfox8
I'm a democrat...

Posted by: newbeeboy | June 10, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

You do what you need to, newbee, your party is out of power for a looooong time

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

To put my level of concern in perspective..I never cared what Clinton did for 8 years or what Bush did for 8 years...
.. I like reading what all of you write.. I respect your opinions... and when I go to the voting booth.. I will honestly consider your input.. honestly...

Posted by: newbeeboy | June 10, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

The "stock" photo looked like an iVacuum to me.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

too dumb to be funny

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Oh..ok.. it's not a vacuum cleaner.. I only look at the pictures.. cuz of my readin'...

I'm a democrat.. always have been, always will be (I guess).. couldn't care less about politics.. became a democrat b/c my dad told me ..if I didn't.. the county assessor would 'screw me'... I voted for John Edwards (how Democratic can you get?)

Posted by: newbeeboy | June 10, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

"I think they said this about the Dem.'s after windsurfer and Vietnamese pleasure boater - John Heinz lost...."

I swear, it's mindboggling how unpatriotic Republicans are and yet manage to sell their patriotism so well.

==

They're just bitter. I mean, it wasn't that long ago they had all the levers of power, now they're not only out of power but nobody takes them at all seriously. And they continue to fall.

Bitter, angry, and dumb. Wishing they could turn back the clock to Reagan and recapture that old nasty magic.

No wonder they hope for catastrophe to befall America.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

We could do a GOP melancholy 80's hair band love ballad song...

'''Take these bwoken wings you`ve got to learn to fly ...'''

Posted by: newbeeboy | June 10, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Newbeeboy, you seem to be confused, misled by Chris' wordplay with a vacuum CLEANER as an illustration. The vacuum in question isn't the home appliance, it's the empty void.

You know, like the space between George W's ears.

Your party has a leadership void, that is to say, a vacuum. You have no leaders, just a pack of loudmouths screaming for attention and hoping to be annointed as the next nominee.

Screaming for attention .. now where have I heard that recently ..

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

"I think they said this about the Dem.'s after windsurfer and Vietnamese pleasure boater - John Heinz lost...."

I swear, it's mindboggling how unpatriotic Republicans are and yet manage to sell their patriotism so well.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 10, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't a GOP that figured out Obama.. it was Mark Penn...
..saying that he could probably get HRC elected.. if, she wasn't running against a 'phenom' ..

Sometimes, things happen, no one can really explain them b/c they are a combination of many events, moods, emotions and fairy dust.. you can't vacuum up fairy dust...

Posted by: newbeeboy | June 10, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

newbeeboy:

Exactly.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

"Republicans must hope that one or two people in the current mix of would-be leaders -- preferably not Limbaugh or Cheney due to their high negatives among Independent voters -- emerge in the next six months and begins to point the party in a specific direction. If not, they could find themselves at sea politically for the foreseeable future."

==

At sea?

Becalmed and adrift too.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Ok..it's a hypothetical.. John Heinz has just lost the election.. not because of his hairdo ..

How many of us said.. I'll bet Barack Obama will fill the void and get past the old garde and win the election.. uh uh ..none of us????

Posted by: newbeeboy | June 10, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Just to be complete, if I had been asked "Who is the main person who speaks for the Democratic Party today?" I would have said Obama (but I'm just a "leaner" according to Gallup ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

From the poll:

17% of DEMOCRATS could not even name an individual as the person who speaks for their party. Democrats are most likely to name Limbaugh as the person who speaks for the Republican Party (18%). Since Limbaugh is not a popular person with Democrats, the frequency with which Democrats name him is no doubt a negative characterization of the GOP from those who identify with the rival party.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Remember that the actual poll question was "Who is the main person who speaks for the Republican Party today?" If I were asked that, I would either say Steele or "there is no MAIN person, there are 1/2 dozen."

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

newbeeboy:

Since Bush43 has kept a very low profile, he is NOT in fact a voice of the Republican Party, so it's no suprise that he only got 5%.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Democrats don't have a leadership vacuum. They have an adult in the White House.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Chris.. all good points.. but remember.. just how dumb the voters actually are.. you think that they actually think about who they should vote for...

Posted by: newbeeboy | June 10, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

toritto:

I've only seen ONE person claim that von Brunn was a "hero" but no one else is rationalizing this murder. It is not "rationalizing" to point out the fact that there weren't thousands of museum visitors at risk.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Bush is now only associated with the talking dog who knows the formula for baked beans.

Posted by: newbeeboy | June 10, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I doubt that both DDAWD (at 5:49 PM) and I (at 5:05 PM) would have made that historical comparison to 2001 if that had already been part of the original post. Roofelstoon -- do you remember reading that when you posted?

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

...and so a black security guard, Stephen Tyrone Johns, is dead...doing his job, defending thousands of museum visitors, children and tourists.

Johns was killed by an old fool who has spent his entire life hating...hating jews, blacks, catholics ...jews 'cause they control the mass media and interest rates and are planning to have blacks overwhelm white people...this old fool was convicted back in the '80s of trying to take the Federal Reserve governors hostage with a weapon.....he was covicted "by a jew/negro jury" and spent 4 years in federal prison.....his website spews nothing but white supremacist venom and Halocaust denial.....his ex-wife called him a drunk abuser who did nothing but rant about how jews were taking over and soon all the state governors would be black.....so this old fool is able to get a gun and kill an innocent security guard at the museum memorializing the killing of innocents....

What a sad individual and what a sad life to have lived.

...and some on this board are are rationalizing these actions? Sad. Same crowd which rationalized the killin in Wichita.....

Posted by: toritto | June 10, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Was this thread updated?

"Some students of history suggest that this leadership vacuum is the natural course of events for a party that finds itself out of power at every turn in Washington.

Polling done by CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll in 2001 asked Democrats to name the leader of their party. Among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, 59 percent could not name a party leader. Former Vice President Al Gore led with nine percent, former Rep. Dick Gephardt (Mo.) at 8 percent, former Sen. Tom Daschle (S.D.) at 7 percent and former President Bill Clinton at 6 percent. (Hat tip to Post polling unit for pulling those numbers.)

Republicans must hope that one or two people in the current mix of would-be leaders -- preferably not Limbaugh or Cheney due to their high negatives among Independent voters -- emerge in the next six months and begins to point the party in a specific direction. If not, they could find themselves at sea politically for the foreseeable future."

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2268878/posts

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Sounds a lot like our own gooper trolls

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I always come back to my fantasy political football.. dynamic duo..
Bill and Hillary.. crossing over to the GOP to punish their ne'er do well associates!!!!

==

Uh, the trend is very much people LEAVING the GOP, dude. More every day.

That's why they're now little more than a regional party with support only in the rural south, and in Utah.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

The SPLC had been tracking right-wing domestic terrorist James von Brunn's involvement with right-wing extremists, including neo-Nazis and white supremacists, since the 1970s.
.
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/06/10/holocaust-museum-shooter-had-close-ties-to-prominent-neo-nazis/


This right-wing nutjob von Brunn has also posted on the fringe right-wing web-site Free Republic in the past, which is kind of funny considering that the Freeper nuts were hoping that todays terrorist was a Muslim so they could blame it on Obama.
.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2268878/posts


Posted by: DrainYou | June 10, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi's mess?

Good luck with that one too, and enjoy life in the margins. You'd need to be pretty young if you want to live to see the GOP back in power.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to mention the pro-life implications of this 'objectification'....

Posted by: newbeeboy | June 10, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

If the GOP is going to fix Pelosi's mess, they are going to need a bigger vacuum...

Posted by: newbeeboy | June 10, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I mean, I knew people wanted to forget all about him, Bush I mean, but what with defensiveness about "keeping us safe" is widespread one would think that people would still regard him as having something to do with the GOP.

Bush, I mean.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I always come back to my fantasy political football.. dynamic duo..
Bill and Hillary.. crossing over to the GOP to punish their ne'er do well associates!!!!

If it wasn't for Obama, we could get a photo of vacuum cleaner for the DNC...

I think they said this about the Dem.'s after windsurfer and Vietnamese pleasure boater - John Heinz lost....

Posted by: newbeeboy | June 10, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Conservative Misinformation University Salutes The Class of 2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8vro-ecUIQ

Posted by: DrainYou | June 10, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

He was YOUR last President too.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Interestingly enough a whopping ZERO PERCENT of responding Republicans see George W. Bush as the leader of the GOP.

Wasn't he, like, their last President or something?

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chris C, there needs to be an apostrophe after "Republicans"

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8:

I thought you were ignoring me? Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV).

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Of course, that does not even include the number of elective abortions which I consider "murder" as well ...

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

A white supremacist a Democrat?


hahahahahh good luck with that

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

opp88:

I previously noted that more "liberals" commit murder in urban cities than "conservatives". That link was to the latest statistics to back up my claim.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

No, we also "know" that he ran for office in New Hamspire as a DEMOCRAT:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/livecoverage/2009/06/msnbc_shooting_suspect_is_whit.html

Palin's press releases on the previous two shootings:

http://www.sarahpac.com/news/news32.aspx

http://www.sarahpac.com/news/news33.aspx

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Palin probably doesn't know what the Holocaust was.

Hell, she probably never heard of World War II.

She knows all about Roe v. Wade, though, and she's against it. Duh.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago still have the highest number of murders -- gang members may not even be registered to vote -- Posted by: JakeD
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your comment above... means what?

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Gunman Opens Fire at Holocaust MuseumBy NAFEESA SYEED, AP
posted: 1 HOUR 22 MINUTES AGOcomments: 1997filed under: Crime News, National News


Posted by: opp88 | June 10, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago still have the highest number of murders -- gang members may not even be registered to vote -- Posted by: JakeD
----------------

your comment above... means what?

-------
Gunman Opens Fire at Holocaust MuseumBy NAFEESA SYEED, AP
posted: 1 HOUR 22 MINUTES AGOcomments: 1997filed under: Crime News, National News


Posted by: opp88 | June 10, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

where does Palin stand on these latest whacko shootings? 'abortionist' and now the 'holocaust' honor site...

Posted by: opp88 | June 10, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

opp88: let's stop responding to Jake. It'll be fun to watch him melt down.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago still have the highest number of murders -- gang members may not even be registered to vote -- that's why I said "liberal" vs. "conservative":

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/08aprelim/spreadsheets/2008table4prelim.xls

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Word is that today's gunman, James Von Brunn, an 89-year-old man who allegedly had ties to hate groups.
Posted by: JakeD
---------------

that's what we know!

Posted by: opp88 | June 10, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

One more question on these recent shootings -- why did Obama wait until TWO DAYS later to even refer to MUSLIM murderer of that Army recruiter?
---------------------------

Why is it always about Obama?

===========

James Von Brunn, an 89-year-old man who allegedly had ties to hate groups.

Posted by: opp88 | June 10, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

As no one has reported on their CURRENT voter registration, we'll just have to agree on the "nutbar" part.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Scott Roeder: Republican nutbar

James von Brunn: Republican nutbar

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

As I said, Von Brunn once ran for office in New Hampshire as a DEMOCRAT! I wouldn't be surprised if he is still registered as a Democrat (although many racists did, unfortunately, switch from Democrat to GOP during the Civil Rights era : (

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

opp: anti-Semitism is, briefly, a deprecated GOP value. The neocons (of all nations) regard Israel as more important than their own countries, and last I heard the gooper are still neocons.

But Von Brunn's racism marks him as welcome in the GOP. I'm sure he hates Muslims a lot more than Jews.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Word is that today's gunman once ran for office in New Hampshire as a DEMOCRAT! BTW: more "liberals" commit murder in urban cities than "conservatives".

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Where I work there are numerous Muslims, with prayer rugs in their offices, women wearing the hijab. They're nice people, notably more polite than most other Americans.

There are also a few Republicans, pushy and rude and in-your-face. But in my industry you don't see a lot of Republicans because you have to be smart to write software, and there aren't many smart people still in the GOP.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Von Brunn has a racist, anti-Semitic Web site and wrote a book titled "Kill the Best Gentiles."

Posted by: opp88 | June 10, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

The conservative gunmen are an extreme fringe but they are coloring the debate as if they were mainstream. And there are no "left wing" gunmen to create any false appearance of "balance." The nutbars who shoot up abortion clinics etc. are all goopers.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

One more question on these recent shootings -- why did Obama wait until TWO DAYS later to even refer to MUSLIM murderer of that Army recruiter?

http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1606098

[The murder] was the first terrorist attack on U. S. soil since 9/11 and yet the media largely ignored it.

Granted virtually all the mainstream media in America are unrepentantly Liberal. And, granted, they were all in a frenzy about the murder of George Tiller, the abortion doctor, because abortion rights are a big liberal cause. But even so, the story of the first terrorist act on U. S. soil in over eight years should have at least appeared on the radar.

Yet it did not.

Only Fox News and bloggers reported it. If you watched mainstream network TV or read your local paper, you never heard of Pte. William Long.

President Obama released a passionate statement about Doctor George Tiller within two hours of his death: "I am shocked and outraged by the murder of Dr. George Tiller as he attended church services this morning. However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence."

For Pte. William Long, however, Obama, Long's Commander in Chief, had absolutely nothing to say for two full days, and finally issued this tepid statement: "I am deeply saddened by this senseless act of violence against two brave young soldiers who were doing their part to strengthen our armed forces and keep our country safe. I would like to wish Quinton Ezeagwula a speedy recovery, and to offer my condolences and prayers to William Long's family as they mourn the loss of their son."

Up to now it was sort of funny to watch how the mainstream media monkeys were hearing no evil, seeing no evil and reporting no evil about Obama. They didn't see any problem with Obama spending trillions or nationalizing banks and car companies. Huge protests, like the Tea Parties, where hundreds of thousands turned out to voice their displeasure at Obama's out of control spending, were dismissed as racist or not reported at all. Even committed Liberals, like Jim Cramer, who said anything bad about Obama, were vilified.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD: He's in Japan, he has a lot of releases but most of his stuff is now self-issued in very small quantities. I own literally every track he has ever released. He emails me with new releases.

Early stuff was crashing sort of rock with gutteral swearing (I think) over drums, the past ten years or so he's more straight Power Electronics. His Twelve Limbs of Dependent Organization was limited to 25 copies, I MP3d it and played it in my car for almost a year. WALLS of harsh sound, heavy on the midrange and little upper partials to offend the ears.

Yeah, it's noize, make no mistake, but it's so much better than the better-know artists like Merzbow.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Dissecting+Table

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Just look at who the leading GOP luminaries are ... an old impotent sadist, a brainless ambitious woman, a colorless cardboard cutout Mormon, a radio clown, and a governor who cut infrastructure funding to cover tax cuts and had a dozen commuters go into the river.

The Party of Suck.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

"If anyone would like to know more about Ichiro Tsuji's noize project Dissecting Table, let me know"

*raises hand*

Posted by: DDAWD | June 10, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

"How many people know the last few DNCC chairs? Howard Dean had been doing it for the past few years"

Whoops, Dean headed the DNC, not the DNCC, which has been chaired by CHV and Rahm Emmanuel before him.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 10, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

tallertapas: if he had any friends, or anyone to talk to, he'd do so. Trolling for attention here, whimpering "let me know," that's all he has. Let's isolate him and watch him lose it. Trust me on this, pushing a troll into meltdown is one of life's GREAT satisfactions. I took down one of the very worst. And he had a wife when it started, Jake is all alone.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

If anyone would like to know more about Ichiro Tsuji's noize project Dissecting Table, let me know

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou: yeah he's a mess. If you really wanna see him pop, don't respond to him. Two days of not getting responses on here and he'll be on the evening news

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

For the record, my first three (3) posts on this thread were about the Gallup poll at issue.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing is JakeD- we are you only friends. Shep Smith cant even ignore you!!!

Shep Smith FOX News calls out JakeD and Zouk for their HATE

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2706277&ref=fpblg

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2705982

Shep Smith on JakeD: "Ridiculous and Preposterous"

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 10, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

chrisfox8,
You have to admit, this JakeD character is one really f***ed up person. The guy is so delusional that he can't seem to understand why his brand of whackjob right-wing politics has been thououghly rejected by the American people so he just closes his eyes and ears and pretends that it never happened.


I'd feel sorry for the guy if he wasn't such a whiny baby. I wonder if he has any relatives that could do a well-being check on him or something?

Posted by: DrainYou | June 10, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

The big sucking hole of the GOP isn't so much in their leadership, it's the complete lack of ideas. All they have left is appeals to negative emotions, they have no tangible idea left to offer.

Everything they say publicly is a lie, and they've used fear to such a ridiculous extent that Americans aren't listening anymore. Everyone knows someone gay, a lot of us have Muslim coworkers, they're decent and kind people. Fear isn't selling, hate isn't selling, except among the Base and they aren't enough to win anything except in a few southern states, and even there the goopers are white-haired and snaggle-toothed.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

It's not all that surprising. I don't know who I would have considered the top Democratic voice during the early 2000s. I suppose it would have been Clinton.

I think the idea of having a single leader is overrated. Sure, its good to have an effective coordinator, but that doesn't need to be a public face. How many people know the last few DNCC chairs? Howard Dean had been doing it for the past few years, but I wouldn't have considered him a leading voice even before the rise of Obama. Yet the Democrats seem to be doing pretty ok.

The problem for Republicans is a lack of ideas and a lack of a cohesive plan. Democrats ran on a platform of anti-war, reform, and social change. Not the newest ideas, but ideas that hadn't recently been soundly rejected. Republicans are running on ideas that HAVE been soundly rejected.

On the strategic front, Democrats went moderate, moderate, moderate. They knew they couldn't have a Paul Wellstone win in a rural North Carolina district, so they didn't run a Paul Wellstone in a rural North Carolina district. Again, Republicans are doing the opposite. Instead of going for moderates, they are doing things like running Pat Toomey in Pennsylvania and Marco Rubio in Florida. You just can't win on a platform of ideological purity. The numbers simply don't work out.

Republicans don't need one person to speak for all of them. What they need is a lot of Republicans to be doing smart things. They simply aren't getting that right now.

Posted by: DDAWD | June 10, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

tallertapas311:

PLEASE ignore me.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

We may not be talking about Vacuums, but you SUCK


Shep Smith FOX News calls out JakeD and Zouk for their HATE

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2706277&ref=fpblg

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2705982

Shep Smith on JakeD: "Ridiculous and Preposterous"

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 10, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

tallertapas: ignore him, watch him flip out trying to get responses. Trust me it won't take long

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

At least we are not talking about "The Republicans [SIC] Vacuum Problem" anymore ; )

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

He didnt mention you, but he mentioned WHAT YOU ARE!!!

Yes, I have seen what you wrote here. I dont need to research it.

YOUR SO DEFENSE BC YOU KNOW YOUR WRONG!!!

Shep Smith FOX News calls out JakeD and Zouk for their HATE

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2706277&ref=fpblg

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2705982

Shep Smith on JakeD: "Ridiculous and Preposterous"

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 10, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

For every vote the GOP picks up on the far right fringe, by promoting torture and opposing gay marriage etc, they lose a vote from the center.

==

I think the ratio is more like 4:1.

The more they lose, the more extreme they get; the more extreme, the fewer votes, the more they lose. By this time the cycle has exercised enough that there are only about five red states left, Utah and the Gulf Coast. They may win a few state races but they have made no national gains to speak of since 2004, and they're coming apart.

What's left are the kooks.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

tallertapas311:

Prove "what" with words? Shepard Smith did not "call me out" at least not by name -- you can check the video for that -- not sure how I can "prove" that I've never sent Fox News an e-mail though. What other "words" are you referring to?

I do know how to prove that I have not posted at The Fix "thousands" of times total (let alone "every day"):

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Avoices.washingtonpost.com%2Fthefix+jaked&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Trolls thrive on attention, and they like negative attention as much as they like praise. As long as they get responses they keep posting. If they stop, they go away.

Nobody responds to zouk, and he gives up after a few over-the-top posts.

Everyone responds to Jake, so about 30-40% of the comments here are his, back for more.

Sure he's a f*cking moron, what he posts is drivelous idiocy, but as long as it gets responses he's happy.

And when he doesn't get them he starts with the "let me know" crap. Let' see if we can get him hysterical.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

The GOP has a problem. Their wingnutty base makes them an anathema to the rest of the country. For every vote the GOP picks up on the far right fringe, by promoting torture and opposing gay marriage etc, they lose a vote from the center. Republicans are trapped in a cruel electoral calculus, a variant of Newton's Third Law applied to political forces; each and every reactionary impulse produces an equal and opposite shift of momentum to the Democrats.

Posted by: DrainYou | June 10, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: "I don't want a single American killed by foreign terrorists"

WTF!!!!

What about DOMESTIC TERRORISTS!!!

WHat is wrong with people like you Cheney and Drudge. Its all the same. You WISHED it was a muslim who did it today


Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 10, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
You're simply pointing out that you're a moron Republican who is starved for attention.

Quit wetting your pants over muslims, you racist.

Posted by: DrainYou | June 10, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

P.S. to DrainYou:

It would help to not keep using my name in vain if you really want me to not repond [SIC] to you postings anymore.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Let's stop giving Jake attention, he'll have to find somewhere else to find it.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | June 10, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Prove it with words you coward
Look in the mirror JakeD

Crazy old man- check
Thinks Obama is muslim- check
Thinks Obama is not a citizen- check
Calls the GOP too liberal- check.

All of these things are said everyday by JakeD and Zouk

Shep Smith FOX News calls out JakeD and Zouk for their HATE

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2706277&ref=fpblg

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2705982

Shep Smith on JakeD: "Ridiculous and Preposterous"

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 10, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I am simply pointing out national security items I think will put Americans more at risk -- I don't want a single American killed by foreign terrorists -- even if that means I have to admit I was wrong about Obama keeping us safe.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Have you hugged a Republican today? Be sure to let your Republican friends know, that if they have been purged from the Republican Party, "Democrats are happy to continue welcoming more moderates to our Party."

http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/article/20090513/WDH06/905130360

Posted by: DrainYou | June 10, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

First off... Chris, there's something unnatural about your fascination with Pawlenty.

The GOP has "which came first, the chicken or the egg" problem. Do they
Find their message and their messenger will appear?
OR
Find their messenger and their message will appear?

The GOP is trying both tacks and neither seem to be working very well.

Posted by: Roofelstoon | June 10, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
It's all true, angry old man.

That's why you're so hysterical, your whole Republican house of cards is falling down and now you're scared to death.

Like I said before, get a life you loser.

Posted by: DrainYou | June 10, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

If you dont think JakeD has posted 1000's of times on the FIX and repeated this everyday:
Crazy old man- check
Thinks Obama is muslim- check
Thinks Obama is not a citizen- check
Calls the GOP too liberal- check.

THEN YOU DONT READ THE FIX!!!


All of these things are said everyday by JakeD and Zouk

Shep Smith FOX News calls out JakeD and Zouk for their HATE

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2706277&ref=fpblg

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2705982

Shep Smith on JakeD: "Ridiculous and Preposterous"

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 10, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:

Then don't make false claims like:

"JakeD,
Really? Is that why right-wing domestic terrorists are going around murdering people?

You really are a piece of work old man, you spend your whole life with your butt parked in front of the computer trying to prop up the very Wingnutters who spent the last eight years trashing everything this country stands for.

You're a joke old man, and anyone who reads your hysterical rantings and thousands of postings on here every day knows it."

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

P.S. Shepard Smith did not "call out" me, and I haven't posted "thousands" of times at The Fix.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Look in the mirror JakeD

Crazy old man- check
Thinks Obama is muslim- check
Thinks Obama is not a citizen- check
Calls the GOP too liberal- check.

All of these things are said everyday by JakeD and Zouk

Shep Smith FOX News calls out JakeD and Zouk for their HATE

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2706277&ref=fpblg

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2705982

Shep Smith on JakeD: "Ridiculous and Preposterous"

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 10, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
Don't repond to my postings anymore, if I wanted to know what a right-wing lunatic fringe nutjob like you thought I'd ask Dick Cheney or Boss Limbaugh.

Posted by: DrainYou | June 10, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Shep Smith FOX News calls out JakeD and Zouk for their HATE

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2706277&ref=fpblg

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2705982

Shep Smith on JakeD: "Ridiculous and Preposterous"

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 10, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh, come on, people "right-wing" domestic terrorists have killed what, seven people AT MOST since 9/11? Get with the program! The real threat, on a massive scale, comes from MUSLIM terrorists.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Shep Smith FOX News calls out JakeD and Zouk for their HATE

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2706277&ref=fpblg

Shep Smith on JakeD: "Ridiculous and Preposterous"

Posted by: tallertapas311 | June 10, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
Really? Is that why right-wing domestic terrorists are going around murdering people?

You really are a piece of work old man, you spend your whole life with your butt parked in front of the computer trying to prop up the very Wingnutters who spent the last eight years trashing everything this country stands for.


You're a joke old man, and anyone who reads your hysterical rantings and thousands of postings on here every day knows it.

Posted by: DrainYou | June 10, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

No.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

DrainYou:

The "youngest generation" is actually getting aborted at an alarming rate, so if we can turn that around, perhaps the GOP can finally make inroads when it focuses in on the basics and convinces voters that the alternative is immoral.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
Quit apologizing for the Repuglicans and get a life, you loser.

Posted by: DrainYou | June 10, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Also, it would be interesting if Gallup asked the same questions eight (8) years ago -- if they did, I am certain that Barack HUSSEIN Obama's name didn't even register -- it's best to keep this all in perspective.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

The Republican party is not coming back. Period. Don’t believe it. They own what is happening to this country right now. Sure the lunatic fringe 24% that makes up what's left of the Republican base will blame everyone under the sun but themselves, but who cares? No one is listening to them anymore and it’s insanity like Steele saying “work is not a job”. WTF is that?!? That’s not even remotely convincing to anyone who isn’t the one spouting it.


The Republicans own the disaster that Obama is currently trying to fix. The youngest generation of voters are moderate to liberal. The GOP has demonized Latinos, the fastest growing demographic which also happens to make up 40% of that generation as well. This is not your father’s or grandfather's Republican party that we're talking about here, these people are side-show freaks.


Simply put they continue to tell voters “who are you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes” and people have had enough. The scars of Republican governance are not going to be erased by the economic runaway train (that they started) continuing on it’s unstoppable trajectory off the bridge into the ravine.


Republicans had complete control of our country at it’s economic and military peak and they dismantled it. Now they own it.


The Republican party has turned into a bunch of shape-shifting mental patients. One day they're writing on the walls with their own excrement, the next day they're found playing toe tap games in a mens bathroom stall.
.
http://www.pufferfishblog.com/weblog/2009/04/republicans-less-popular-than-venezuela.html

Posted by: DrainYou | June 10, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

17%, not 16%, Chris -- based on telephone interviews with 1,015 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted May 29-31, 2009 -- for results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

Interviews are conducted with respondents on land-line telephones (for respondents with a land-line telephone) and cellular phones (for respondents who are cell-phone only).

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

What is funny is that 17% of DEMOCRATS could not even name an individual as the person who speaks for their party. Democrats are most likely to name Limbaugh as the person who speaks for the Republican Party (18%). Since Limbaugh is not a popular person with Democrats, the frequency with which Democrats name him is no doubt a negative characterization of the GOP from those who identify with the rival party. The talk-show host is followed on Democrats' list by Cheney at 12%, then McCain and Bush at 5% each. Gingrich is apparently not on the Democrats' radar as much as he is on Republicans'; the former speaker receives 4% mentions from Democrats, compared to the 10% mentions he receives from those who identify with his own party.

[DISCUSSION Section]

While being associated with the party of the sitting president gives the Democrats a natural advantage over the Republicans in having a well-defined person representing them, these data clearly underscore the leadership vacuum that confronts the Republican Party today. Almost half of those who identify with or lean toward the GOP cannot think of a single political or other figure when asked to name the main person who speaks for their party. And none of the three individuals whom Republicans name -- Limbaugh, Cheney, and Gingrich -- would likely be characterized as new visionaries or individuals bringing a fresh or new face to the Republican political scene. None of the three hold elective office at this time, all are older white males (the youngest of the three is Limbaugh, who is 58), and only one has a realistic chance of running for the presidency in the future (Gingrich).

Perhaps most importantly, none of these is mentioned by more than 10% of Republicans, a telling indication that rank-and-file Republicans today simply have no single consensus leader around whom they can gather their forces.

Most pundits and political observers already have a list of possible candidates who could end up battling for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination -- including (in addition to Gingrich) Sarah Palin, Romney, Mike Huckabee, Charlie Crist, and Jeb Bush. Gingrich is the only one on this list who is mentioned by more than 2% of Republicans as the person who -- at this point in time -- speaks for their party.

Posted by: JakeD | June 10, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

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