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Scozzafava drops out of NY-23 special election



The decision by Republican Dede Scozzafava to suspend her campaign makes it a two way race between Democrat Bill Owens (left) and Conservative Doug Hoffman (middle).AP photos

State Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava, the Republican candidate for the open 23rd District seat in New York, suspended her campaign today amid lagging poll numbers and lackluster fundraising. The move clears the way for Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman, who had been gaining support from the national party and is in a dead heat with businessman Bill Owens (D), according to a Siena College poll out Saturday morning.

"In recent days, polls have indicated that my chances of winning this election are not as strong as we would like them to be. The reality that I've come to accept is that in today's political arena, you must be able to back up your message with money--and as I've been outspent on both sides, I've been unable to effectively address many of the charges that have been made about my record," Scozzafava said in a statement. "It is increasingly clear that pressure is mounting on many of my supporters to shift their support. Consequently, I hereby release those individuals who have endorsed and supported my campaign to transfer their support as they see fit to do so."

Scozzafava's decision comes as Democratic strategists believed they had stopped Hoffman's momentum and begun to turn the race in Owens favor. This move almost certainly arrests any Owens growth as, although Scozzafava did not endorse either remaining candidate, Hoffman is likely to benefit more from her departure than Owens.

The Siena poll confirmed that special election had become a two-man race. Owens took 36 percent to 35 percent for Hoffman while Scozzafava lagged behind at just 20 percent. More than half of all likely voters had a negative view of Scozzafava, the result of being bashed by both Democrats and Republicans in the weeks leading up to Nov. 3.

Although Scozzafava won the state party nomination, Hoffman gained endorsements from several high profile Republicans including Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and former Alaska governor Sarah Palin, which has helped him build momentum as a third party candidate.

The seat became open when Rep. John McHugh (R) was confirmed as as President Obama's secretary of the army. The seat now seems unlikely to switch parties, as Hoffman, if elected, would caucus with House Republicans on most issues.

The North Country district has long been held by Republican members of Congress although President Barack Obama carried it in 2008.

By Paul Volpe  |  October 31, 2009; 10:58 AM ET
 
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Anyone who thinks that Hoffman is some sort of "third party candidate" is deluded. Hoffman is the far right's boy. He isn't even from the 23rd district and has no grasp on their issues. Hoffman is nothing more than a patsy put up by the fringe elements in the Republican Party, who are fast becoming the definition of the Republican Party. Too bad Scozzafava got intimidated by them. The likes of Beck, Armey, Palin, Bachmann and of course, Rush, now define the GOP, there is no room for moderates or even conservatives, only radicals need apply -- scary.

Posted by: creatia52 | November 2, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Palinites and Hoffmanistas wouldn't have liked the mall I went to last night, in Bellevue, WA. Whites accounted for no more than 5% of the customers present and the plae was very crowded. Chinese outnumbered everyone else combined ... other Asians, Latinos, Indians, even a surprising number of Muslims, all but the youngest girls in hijab, made up almost all the rest. I haven't felt so much in the minority since the last time I went to Asia.

Not in any way resembing the Wonder Bread American envisioned by Palin and Beck. Gotta wonder where the hell these people hang out (and stay away from there).

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 1, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

The priest pulls the levers to operate the phony miracle and nevertheless believes it's the Hand Du God.

Some outsider whose ideological compulsions are of no possible use to his intended constituents gets a tailwind from millions in outside money from right-wing organizations beholden to the very wealthy (conspicuously unrepresented in the 23rd Congressional District), and everyone tells themselves it's actually a referendum on Obama.

Snow's hot and pigs fly, too. And if the Party says that two and two is five then five it is.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 1, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

If the GOP's contention that America is a center-right country is correct (debatable), one wonders how they plan to succeed running only far-right candidates and abandoning the middle to Democrats.

Posted by: nodebris | November 1, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

While everyone is cheering or jeering depending on which side you favor, the real story in NY is that OUTSIDE FORCES--not voters who made their choice in the primary--are going to decide this election. When this kind of national attention, money, endorsements find their way into a Congressional race (not even a senate seat at stake), the democratic process is in danger.

Posted by: writinron | November 1, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Case No. 666

Subject: Mr. Snowbama

Subject recently decompensated, posting a series of bogus, unhinged posts to a right leaning blog from October 31 at 11:27 a.m. to November 1 at 9:03 a.m. Obsessive compulsive disorder strongly indicated by suspect's behavior. Continued close monitoring advised but aggressive intervention may be needed...

Posted by: broadwayjoe | November 1, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

24 golf outings. 28 fundraisers. 4 vacations. 90 dinners out in Georgetown. Date nights in ny. Olympics. Beer summits. Anyone wonder why decisions are so hard?

If any elections are close, look for acorn to keep finding suitcases full of votes until the liberal just wins.

Posted by: snowbama | November 1, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Moe found a friend. Oh wait, it's one of the the other stooges. The all night vigil continues.

Posted by: snowbama | November 1, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

The Minnesota Governor, Mr. Pawlenty, is sticking his nose into NY politics. You remember him?? Mr. No Fix Bridges Pawlenty. His state DOT warned the I-35 bridge needed replacement in 2005. He said it could last until 2020 and killed a gas tax increase to replace briges and rebuild highways across his state. Then the I-35 bridge collapsed. His buddy, GWB, send him a billion dollars to build a new bridge quickly, so that the Republicans could use it for their 2008 convention. Don't forget that when the no fix bridge man runs for President in 2012.

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The only person in America who thinks Sleepyhead has a shot is the guy whose face appears at the top of this page

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 1, 2009 1:43 AM | Report abuse

These poor deluded rightwingnuts. Thinking that driving all moderates out of the Republican Party somehow increases the Republican Party's chances of ever regaining power.

LOL what a bunch of mathetmatically challenged saps.

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You really need to wonder about these guys. We talk about "drinking the Kool-Aid" but this really is like some sort of suicide cult

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 1, 2009 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Americans are tired of two-party politics. I believe a third party option should be a viable option in elections. I don't necesaairly agree with Mr. Hoffman's positions, he had every right to run for the House seat under the Conservatve Party banner. Now, we need the formation of a sensible major third party that is moderate and reflects the American values of the middle class such as good public schools, a true graduated income tax, a strong military, a clean environment, stop being the world's only policeman in foreign policy, andprotection of our rights guranteed under the Bill of Rights. If a third party was to be formed under these principles, then the American citizens could take our country back from the far left and far right zealots presently elected to our government. Let the middle class unite for a better America.

Posted by: rogden71 | November 1, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

"The Republican Party break up is such good news.

In fact, the only thing that would my day any better is if the University of Nike, our Oregon Ducks beat the University of Spoiled Children's Trojans."

Phil Knight's team wins!


Posted by: shrink2 | November 1, 2009 12:50 AM | Report abuse

The Minnesota Governor, Mr. Pawlenty, is sticking his nose into NY politics. You remember him?? Mr. No Fix Bridges Pawlenty. His state DOT warned the I-35 bridge needed replacement in 2005. He said it could last until 2020 and killed a gas tax increase to replace briges and rebuild highways across his state. Then the I-35 bridge collapsed. His buddy, GWB, send him a billion dollars to build a new bridge quickly, so that the Republicans could use it for their 2008 convention. Don't forget that when the no fix bridge man runs for President in 2012.

Posted by: ners1507 | October 31, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

These poor deluded rightwingnuts. Thinking that driving all moderates out of the Republican Party somehow increases the Republican Party's chances of ever regaining power.

LOL what a bunch of mathetmatically challenged saps.

Palin/Bachmann 2012!!!

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | October 31, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

It remains to be seen how mainstream Republicans in NY-23 will react to having their election hijacked by outsiders and their Congressional seat handed to a guy who doesn't even live in the district and knows nothing about the local issues...just so the national yahoos can pound their chests before going off to menace the next wayward Republican who lacks ideological purity.

This looks very much like a Stalinist purge by people who've spent the last three decades quietly seizing power and influence, and creating a raw-meat-loving grassroots base, just waiting for the day when they could take control of the Republican Party which has never been ideologically extreme enough to suit the neocons and sociocons.

Democrats would do well not to think this is a good thing for us, however. This is how fascist movements begin; a few victories now will drive them to a frenzy next year. And they're probably coming to a state near you, if they're not already there.

Dismissing this trend with ridicule and arrogance will not prepare us to defend our country against some of the worst extremism since the 50s rooting itself in the Republican Party. Such extremism relies on fear to engender anger, which can be shaped, channeled and driven toward the goal of absolute power. Right now, they're focused on purging other Republicans; they'll get around to the rest of us sooner or later.

Posted by: windrider2 | October 31, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Look up socialist and communist before you use those terms. Applying them as you do makes you republicons sound even dumber than you do when reciting the cannon of st. reagan while on all fours waiting for your "redemption."

Posted by: John1263 | October 31, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

In such a solidly republion diestrict any Democrat should have a hard time. Didn't the last election go 2-1 republicon? However, if I was a republicon who had supported the republicon candidate, had voted for her in the primary, and had some bunch of outside yahoos like pat toomey and warah palin come in and hijack the election with their hate speech and deep pockets I know that I would certainly register a protest vote or sit this one out.

Posted by: John1263 | October 31, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

info22 @135, I am right there with you. If I were an active member of the GOP in that congressional district I woul dbe hopping mad. They chose their local candidate in a primary OVER Hoffman. The local GOP felt she was their best candidate. Now they have been disenfranchised by a bunch of principled outsiders who have spread a lot of money and a lot of lies about their locally chosen candidate.

I found Scozzafava's statement very carefully worded, and I would not be surprised to see a lot of her backers going to the local Democrat. At least he lives in the district.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | October 31, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"lindarc" says [10/31, 1:14p, partial]:

"We can read Face Book... Palin's way of communicating with whoever...Stupid, the site is a social networking site where information given is DUBIOUS.. (Palin that means doubtful)...THIS IS SO EASILY COMPREHENDED...are people really that GULLIBLE? (Palin gullible means easily tricked)"
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I understand your contempt for Sarah Palin. But you might want to spread your fear and loathing a bit more evenhandedly. Following is from the Washington Post, January 24, 2009:

Headline: "How Obama Will Use Web Technology"
Guest Author: Kevin Merritt

"During the campaign President Obama relied heavily on Facebook, Myspace and Twitter to build support, communicate with constituents and develop a core audience. By far, Mr. Obama has more followers on Twitter than anyone else (168,000). His fan page on Facebook has more than 4 million fans."
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I couldn't find the article but one of the things the BO team complained loudly about when they got into the White House was that the Bush team didn't have these modern internet-based communications abilities. I remember because I wrote a snide, sarcastic comment about it.

Posted by: srb2 | October 31, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"In the future, there will be fewer but better Russians." Ninotchka

I think you can say the same for Republicans. I'm getting ready for the Party Trials.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | October 31, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"Let the Democrat party be liberal/socialist/leftist etc. Republicans need to stay conservative/patriotic/moral majority etc.. That way America can have a fair CHOICE. Liberals love CHOICE, don't they? Posted by: battleground51"

Of course when Liberals get to choose liberals and Conservatives get to choose troglodytes, what do the center 40% of the electorate get to do, twiddle their thumbs?

Right now the Dems are gravitating toward the center and even the center right. The Conservatives have decided that if the Dems want the center they can have it.

So to all you RINO's who have been given your walking papers, come join the center, currently voting Democrat, until you find a party of your own. (Take your time finding a party of your own.)

Posted by: ceflynline | October 31, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Labels are usually shorthand notations for more complicated concepts or things. I have seen a lot of labels being thrown about by both parties and their advocates, but one in particular has been repeatedly used by conservatives that puzzles me a lot.

What exactly is meant by this administration being socialist, or having a socialistic agenda? I mean as opposed to say, President Bush? Bush presided over the largest increase in government employment and growth since WW2 (over 30% in 8 years). Bush and his cronies on the hill also pushed for $750 billion to bailout the banks (which involved nationalizing several including AIG).

So a definition can't include increasing the size of government, or buying up private companies. I am assuming that conservatives are applying this label exclusively to the Obama administration as opposed to the preceding ones. These policies are what constitutes the dictionary definition of a socialist agenda.

So in all seriousness, please explain what is meant by these labels. I really want to know. I am speaking to conservatives that use this label against the Obama administration.

Posted by: reussere | October 31, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

The Republican party purity squad went after Wayne Gilchrist, our Republican Representive in Congress. They claimed he was too "partisan". Wayne is a highly decorated Viet Nam veteran, something that the current Republican Congress is nearly devoid of. Wayne was also a dedicated school teacher and an avid promoter and conservationist of the Chesapeake Bay. He was a wonderful Congressman to us Marylanders.

The RNC warned him they would no longer support him and threw their money and support behind a Baltimore County physician who knew nothing about the Chesapeake and nothing about, well, just about anything.
Of course, their chosen candidate lost and a brand new young, vibrant Democrat, an attorney for the state of Maryland easily won Wayne's old seat in Congress. Now Maryland has only one Republican Congressman and he is close to 80 years old.

I don't know what the intellect-starved RNC doing, but anyone with any amount of intelligence can see they will never get the party "purity" they seem to be seeking. Gilchrist was a Congressman ANY American would be proud of and want for a friend. He proved his patriotism in Viet Nam and his dedication to education as a teacher.
Stack his credentials up against any Republican in Congress right now, and see who is a better American.

I am a Marylander and a liberal Democrat and it pains me to see what they did to Wayne Gilchrist. Wayne has been busy taking school children out on the bay and giving them lessons in preservation and will be heading to the Antarctic to pair up with his son in studying our sciences of that area. fritz

Posted by: papafritz571 | October 31, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Next on the list to replace the Democratic Senators is the state of Michigan. Senators Carl Levin and Debbie Stabenow will be unemployed when their turn comes due. Mark our words. They both support this socialist agenda of the Obama administration.

Posted by: vsch47 | October 31, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Groups like Club for Growth are going into the district and pouring lots and lots of money into the candidate Club for Growth wants. I think that will turn the voters in the district off. Upstate NY is more independent and practical than ultra conservative. The Democrat Bill Owens is going to win.

Posted by: newcar | October 31, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Dede. We need to get back to American principles, something we have lost over the past few decades and continue to do with the Obama administration. This can be done by either a Republican or Democrat. Sadly, both parties have lost their way. If there is a candidate out there who can get us back on track, no matter who they are, they will win the votes of American.

Posted by: 45upnorth | October 31, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Hoffman can keep a seat in the GOP that has been that way since the 19th century. What a shock.

The real story here is that the RNC's Steele is clueless on steering his own party, as was seen from his public flogging on his first statements by the real voice of the GOP, Rush Windbag.

Being a lifelong Democrat there is nothing that makes me happier than to see Palin and her right wing Teabagingbirthers tear the party in two.

While I know that the WaPo is considered the sister of the NY Times, from the look of most posts here, it's clear that the cult of Palin is strong. If they think for a minute that she has a chance at beating Obama, they are even funnier than I thought.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | October 31, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Hoffman is not a conservative - he is a radical representing the interests of America's top one percent from Wall street. Conservative, no way.

Posted by: enough3 | October 31, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

If you "win" the nomination by being picked out of 8 interviewees, then perhaps the state chairmen should be held accountable for them choosing her rather than someone who held to more of the party principles. So I guess republicans and conservatives felt that the republican, who is supposedly farther to the left than the democrat, wasn't what they wanted. More power to them and more power to Hoffman for standing up for the conservative principles he holds. Now it will indeed be a choice for the voters as to whether they prefer the democratic principles or the conservative ones by evaluating what they have experienced under this new administration in the White House and whether they want more or less.

Posted by: justmyvoice | October 31, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Now it is going to be a GOP sweep on Tuesdayas the governor races in NJ and VA go to the GOP along with this NY House seat - not to mention all the state office positions throughout th eUS as Akmerica's rejection of Obama and his socialist agenda takes flight!

Posted by: Realist20 | October 31, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm not so sure that this means as much as it might seem. There's little evidence that the more moderate members of the Republican caucus (the few, the scared) are willing to vote for any significant Democratic initiative. I suspect that Scozzafava's Washington votes would have been more conservatve

Any major changes in abortion laws are in the realm of the Supreme Court and House members don't vote on confirmation. I don't think a repeal of DOMA is happening anytime soon. Thus, we are left with another Republican vote.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 31, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Voters will now have a clear choice between a conservative Republican and a liberal Democrat. Prior to Scozzafava's withdrawal the choices were muddied by Scozzafava masquerading as a Republican while at heart holding liberal principles. With her exit the waters should clear and voters will be able to make a choice without distractions.

Posted by: fenoy | October 31, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

This doesn't bode well for the republican party.

Posted by: Frazil | October 31, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

The comments here are pretty awful. Lots of hate, lots of gloating, lots of us vs. the bogeymen. Americans are a happy lot.

Posted by: RealityIsNotOnlineOrOnTheTV | October 31, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's endorsement broke the back of the RINO and paves the wave to a coalition of single moms and conservo/liberatarian men to take back the government from the Obamacrats.

YEAH......YEAH...........YEAH!

Posted by: Common_Cents1 | October 31, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Wonder what Glibb Gibbs will say Wednesday afternoon if Hoffman wins?? "A conspiracy by George W. Bush,"????????

November 3 could be the first of many repudiations of TEAM Obama, and what they have attempted to do to America!! If they are not careful THEY WILL BE ON THE ENEMIES LIST OF AMERICANS -- not the other way around!!

Posted by: wheeljc | October 31, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Assuming McDonnell wins the election, it will be a decision most Virginians will live to regret, when he pushes forth his radical social agenda, eviscerates vital services, doesn't do squat about the transportation problems, and ultimately leaves behind a huge budgetary crisis, just like the last Republican governor, Gilmore. The fact is McDonnell has been groomed for years, starting with Regents. Most people don't have a clue what they're voting for with McDonnell. He's nice looking, has name recognition, and deceived voters into believing he's a moderate.

Posted by: ggwalt | October 31, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Scozzafava just took a rare and honorable step in politics. She put the good of the people before her own political aspirations. She should be celebrated for seeing the bigger picture in this landscape.

I applaud her decision and Conservatives everywhere should extend their gratitude.

It looks like this is the beginning of the Republican-Conservative rebirth!

2010 Next!

Posted by: factsmatter1 | October 31, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's election has made you totally lose sight of what America is all about. You have awakened a sleeping giant which will show itself in the first elections since his."

This is awesome. It keeps getting better.
Now Republicans don't have to worry about all that big tent garbage.

Forget about colored peoples' votes, gay votes, womens' votes, young voters, poor peoples' votes, moderate votes, non-evangelical votes, Republicans have nothing to worry about.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 31, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Another moderate Republican purged to make way for the extremist. Way to go. All I can say is that Hoffman is one seriously freaking looking dude. I also heard he doesn't even live in the district, yet these people are voting for him over the local woman. So, what's with this district in NY. Are they country club republicans worried about their money, or just ignorant ones who always vote against their own economic best interest?

Posted by: ggwalt | October 31, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The Christo-fascist Inquisition begins. Enforcing (their own twisted version of) God's will on real Americans, the extreme Right-wing claims the name Republican Party. Hate government, Hate taxes, Hate immigrants, Attack first. Fear, Hatred Distortion, Distraction and Division is all they've got to offer.

Sarah Palin with her finger on America's nuclear arsenal, guided by the hand of Gee-Zues. What a comforting thought.

Posted by: thebobbob | October 31, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Another sign that the Republican party is dead. There's nothing left for fiscal conservatives who believe in a small, nimble government. Now it's just religious fanatics who want to foist their social agenda on an unsuspecting public, and super rich who want special back-room deals to maintain their extravagant lifestyles at the expense of national well being.

We saw what social conservatism accomplished in the eight years under Bush, nothing but the near annihilation of our economy, and a bumbling foreign policy.

Posted by: tkoho | October 31, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama is Luo for "one hit wonder".

Posted by: thebump | October 31, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

It looks like the path to a new form of government, Idiocracy, leads through upstate New York. Of course it has its roots in Alaska and Texas.

Posted by: Jimdandy2 | October 31, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

yrral | October 31, 2009 1:48 PM |

Did you listen to the Kami Baker video? She said that whites are targeted in that school. Whites are a minority there. Leftists bring in non-white immigrants to do this to whites. They are the instrumentality of their hate.

If you didn't listen to the Kami Baker video, it shows you are afraid to hear from the victim of immigration. That shows you know what is being done with immigration to whites like Kami Baker and the others in that school.

This is independent of the race of the victim. Kami Baker said this was a chronic condition at the school. It comes from the government which has targeted whites by non-white immigration.

When the left throws around the word hate, it means they hate to hear the truth from their white victims. That is what Eric Holder meant when he said the Obama hate crime law doesn't protect whites.

Posted by: OldAtlantic | October 31, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Interesting comments on both sides, many pretty strong. And one side will end up with a lot of egg on their faces and come up with a lot of excuses 3 days from now. And in my opinion it will be the supporters of Owens who will be proven wrong. All of you on the left have poo-pooed the Tea Party movement, called it Astro Turf, and have accused anyone who have not bowed to the great Obama as racist and worse. His election has made you totally lose sight of what America is all about. You have awakened a sleeping giant which will show itself in the first elections since his. A win in New York, a win Virginia and a very close race in New Jersey where a very well funded Democrat may still lose. We'll all see in three short days.

Posted by: Abigsoxfan | October 31, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Oops! Teapartiers duped again!

From Hoffman's site: (link)

Where do you stand on illegal immigration?
There is no question that our immigration policies are flawed. The answer, though, is not to put up a wall and stop all immigration. The answer is to create an easier path for immigrants to enter the United States - and to work here - while at the same time getting tough on illegal immigrants who commit crimes.

http://24ahead.com/doug-hoffman-might-be-weak-immigration-do-his-supporters-kno

Posted by: angie12106 | October 31, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

This is progress. We don't need two Democrat parties in this country (one is more than enough). The people in NY 23rd will now get two clear and distinct choices. Something for conservatives in the country (a populist majority) to look forward to.

Posted by: NoWeCant | October 31, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: JohnGalt9 | October 31, 2009 1:15 PM

Chris, with due respect, you know that the sub-title "making the race a virtual tie" is deceiving and erroneous journalism. The "virtual tie" was a fact already before Scozzafava quit. The first poll that comes out after this will show a very likely large lead for Hoffman, and you know it. Misleading Headlines does not win you respect.

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Perhaps, but the next poll counts for considerably less than the one on election day. It appears that one may depend on whether or not the remaining Republican moderates are willing to allow the conservatives to impose their beliefs and values on them. This one, whose first presidential vote was for Barry Goldwater, isn't inclined to do so and is seriously considering a change in party affiliation.

Posted by: brcolorado | October 31, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

OldAtlantic wrote:
"To those attacking wingnuts on the right. Did you hear the Kami Baker video? She said that whites were targeted at that school in Richmond. She said the government does not protect whites. There is a left and its the same as the Gingrich right, i.e. its betrayed Kami Baker and left her to her fate."


This comment appears to be so hateful that, if the sentiments it expresses are honest, I'm not sure why it's worth bothering to try to reason with the poster, but let me try anyway.

In Richmond several depraved individuals cruelly attacked a young girl. Do you really believe that they represent the left? Do you really believe that anyone on the left (any liberal or Democrat) approves of what they did? The assailants were the ones who left Kami Baker to her fate, abetted by the (apparent) lack of willingness of victims to report having observed the assault, and (apparent) incompetence or dereliction of duty by the assistant principal and security officers. Their actions could perhaps have prevented (all or part of) the assault, and if the security guard or assistant principal were negligent then they should certainly be punished, but I can't imagine what kind of thought process leads you to think that they represent the political left or approve of the assault.

Posted by: yrral | October 31, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Tea Partiers fail again! Hoffman appears to support policies that would raise the taxes on his supporters:

http://24ahead.com/doug-hoffman-might-be-weak-immigration-do-his-supporters-kno

If you're a Hoffman opponent, go to one of his appearances and really press him on that. Or, if you're a liberal and you agree with him, congratulate him on having such a liberal stance on that issue.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | October 31, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Dede is a LIBERAL "Republican"

He political positions are NOT moderate.

Good luck to Doug Hoffman on Tuesday.

Posted by: Digital_Voter | October 31, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party break up is such good news.

In fact, the only thing that would my day any better is if the University of Nike, our Oregon Ducks beat the University of Spoiled Children's Trojans.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 31, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I am so happy the Conservative Party is taking over the Republican Party. That means the GOP will not will a Presidential election for at least another generation. The country is saved. Yippeeeee!!!

Posted by: markiejoe | October 31, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

WFISHER206 wrote:

"Chris -- why describe it as a "two-man" race -- when there's a female candidate? Two-person or two-candidate would have been more approppriate."

Are you actually reading the article? Of the three human beings who were running in the race, the female human being was the one who dropped out. Therefore the two remaining candidates are male.

Posted by: yrral | October 31, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

When I read that there are actually two Jeremiah Wrights and William Ayers-and that the White House claimed that the ones that visited them were not the ones from Chicago-and then the photo op of Obama staged in front of coffins coming back from the war he is currently voting "present" on-I couldn't sleep.

If we don't vote out these people in Washington, then we are a country of fools-because our current leadership is a disgrace, and it pretending with the American people.

Hope and Change will come when these people are voted OUT.

Posted by: 1djn | October 31, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Bullying 101, that's what happened here. The "pure" and uncompromising base has thrown a less "pure" candidate overboard. This good for democrats win or lose in this contest. Why? simply because the republican minority has driven out the choice of the party's majority represented by DEDE. She was forced out, plain and simple and people know it, there's no room for growth (big tent) inside the republican party. Newt, are you listening?

Posted by: info22 | October 31, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

NY-23 conservatives are led by far right extremist media pundits Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, etc.
Please, please, please let Palin's Party continue moving the Republican Party faRRRRRRR right! Eventually, the Republican leadership will cave because their only interest is in winning - NOT who leads.
And once again Obama's White House will be proven correct - Republicans are led by faRRRRR right extremists!


Posted by: angie12106 | October 31, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Whoa!!!!

I am absolutely stunned with this news. Stunned. I am also wondering what Newtie, Romney, and their banjo playing pal, Huckabee are making of all this right now?

Get ready boys. Hoffman and his Tea Party supporters are preparing to consign all of you to "has been" status.

Here's to hoping the Republicans in Congress will now get a clue as to which way this political tide is flowing. Thankfully, it is certainly not going in the direction of the Republican's recent "Obama lite" alternative proposals.

Posted by: pgould1 | October 31, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

What a happy day.
I feel like singing Kumbaya.

The right wing of American politics is triumphant, celebrating victory as if they had won an election.

The left is thrilled, we see the Republican party take another leap in the direction that will keep them out of the White House for many more years.

We can all agree on this truth: the GOP candidate pulled out because no one wanted to vote for the party's choice.

Happy, happy day.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 31, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

blarsen1 wrote>>> The right has moved itself beyond the realm of reality. If the democrats can construct ads showing the birthers, the deathers, the teabaggers and some of the inane statements that the far right is making, it will only bolster the democratic party, simply because the real republicans just aren't that stupid.

Hope springs eternal....
But some Republicans STILL believe Saddam was responsible for Sept. 11.
Oh wait - maybe they're the teabaggers, gullible and easily conned.

Posted by: angie12106 | October 31, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse


I seriously doubt Sarah Palin's endorsement was the straw that broke the back of Scozzafava's campaign. I hope it wasn't anyway. The last thing we Republican's need is a person with her baggage leading our party. She's charismatic for sure, but right or wrong, the country sees her as ditsy and disorganized. And quitting her governorship to make a wad of cash on a book deal. That's not a great role model for our party. We need smart, confident and committed leaders.

Posted by: paul6554 | October 31, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Chris, with due respect, you know that the sub-title "making the race a virtual tie" is deceiving and erroneous journalism. The "virtual tie" was a fact already before Scozzafava quit. The first poll that comes out after this will show a very likely large lead for Hoffman, and you know it. Misleading Headlines does not win you respect.

Posted by: JohnGalt9 | October 31, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Sheer Sarah Palin Power! The avalanche turnaround of the NY23 race started with the endorsement of Sarah Palin, which represented an audacious break with the old way of compromising politics of the Republican establishment. It proves without a shadow of doubt that the new political broker in the Republican side is indisputably Sarah Palin. Boy, is this fact making a lot of liberals and old Republicans alike reach for their anti-acids. Poor Gingrich, he pitched himself against Sarah and lost, and lost badly. “Robbing America” was onto this from the start at http://www.robbingamerica.blogspot.com and now they are predicting a Hoffman Win.

Posted by: JohnGalt9 | October 31, 2009 1:03 PM ___________________________________

We can read Face Book... Palin's way of communicating with whoever...Stupid, the site is a social networking site where information given is DUBIOUS.. (Palin that means doubtful)...THIS IS SO EASILY COMPREHENDED...are people really that GULLIBLE? (Palin gullible means easily tricked)

All I can remember is the article by Andrew Sullivan, "The Odd Lies Of Sarah Palin: A Round-Up" in July of 2009... interesting articles. It actually list the lies told by Palin. (there were a lot) It was thorough and an assessment made by fact check...

Palin a little def. for your reading...
The definition of rogue is:
1 : vagrant, tramp
2 : a dishonest or worthless person : scoundrel
3 : a mischievous person : scamp
4 : a horse inclined to shirk or misbehave
5 : an individual exhibiting a chance and usually inferior biological variation

Still Loving this Country...

Posted by: lindarc | October 31, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Whether she be liberal, moderate, or conservative she could not have hoped to win with a name like "Scozzafava"!

Posted by: bubba31138 | October 31, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"It’s time for conservatives to show the Republican establishment who’s in charge
By Doug Hoffman"

Posted in: GOP, NY-23, Tea Party 10/31/09
Backed and posted by Michelle Malkin (the nut box)...
___________________________________________

The people in Lake Placid, NY (NY 23)are Tea Party clans...

No wonder Palin's endorsement meant something to them...oh well it takes all kinds...GO OWENS...

Posted by: lindarc | October 31, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

To those attacking wingnuts on the right. Did you hear the Kami Baker video? She said that whites were targeted at that school in Richmond. She said the government does not protect whites. There is a left and its the same as the Gingrich right, i.e. its betrayed Kami Baker and left her to her fate.

Posted by: OldAtlantic | October 31, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Scozzafava just took a rare and honorable step in politics. She put the good of the people before her own political aspirations. She should be celebrated for seeing the bigger picture in this landscape.

I applaud her decision and Conservatives everywhere should extend their gratitude.

It looks like this is the beginning of the Republican-Conservative rebirth!

2010 Next!

Posted by: factsmatter1 | October 31, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Sheer Sarah Palin Power! The avalanche turnaround of the NY23 race started with the endorsement of Sarah Palin, which represented an audacious break with the old way of compromising politics of the Republican establishment. It proves without a shadow of doubt that the new political broker in the Republican side is indisputably Sarah Palin. Boy, is this fact making a lot of liberals and old Republicans alike reach for their anti-acids. Poor Gingrich, he pitched himself against Sarah and lost, and lost badly. “Robbing America” was onto this from the start at http://www.robbingamerica.blogspot.com and now they are predicting a Hoffman Win.

Posted by: JohnGalt9 | October 31, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

The Oboobma Era: If you blinked you missed it.

Posted by: thebump | October 31, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I have to wonder if Scozzafava was getting threatening phone calls from teabaggers at all hours of the night.

Nah. They're never that impolite, right?

Posted by: justjohn_jj | October 31, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

WFISHER206,

Grow the F up!

Posted by: DCer1 | October 31, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

The net affect of this new "conservative" party is that the moderate republicans will more than likely vote for the democrat. They might as well call it the "Fox" party. The right has moved itself beyond the realm of reality. If the democrats can construct ads showing the birthers, the deathers, the teabaggers and some of the inane statements that the far right is making, it will only bolster the demoratic party, simply because the real republicans just aren't that stupid.

Posted by: blarsen1 | October 31, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Dear King Obimbo-

In your speech before Congress, you prattled on that you'd "call them out," like the bully your part represents.

It seems the townspeople are now "calling you out" and they are chanting, FUBO!!! FUBO!!! FUBO!!!

King Obimbo- YOU LIE!!! The Honorable Mr. Wilson thanks you for building his campaign war chest by $2 Million+!!!

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | October 31, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Two more comments:
1) For all the wingers out there who think the current Democrats are way out on the fringe, I suggest you take a reality test and rethink that. There is no real left anymore. In the 1960s and earlier, there was truly a left wing politically, ranging from assorted Marxists, SDS, Weathermen, etc. all the way to the mainstream labor union type of Democrats, and the right had the John Birchers, Ayn Rand crowd, and hard fiscal conservatives.

But in the last 40 years the far left has moved to the center range of the earlier spectrum and gained an understanding of the role of business, fighting terrorism, etc. But the right hand of the spectrum has moved twenty times farther to the right than the left has moved right. To repeat, the left didn't move left, it has moved right toward the center. The widening of the breadth of the political spectrum all occurred on the right - and that's why the G-O-pee is so crazy now.

2) senior vet said:
"Now if only New York State can be split into two separate states....an "upstate", and a "downstate"....the "upstaters" would not have to support the (New York City) downstaters with their tax dollars, and we here in upstate New York would have more equal representation in Congress."

Unfortunately that is only folklore about upstate taxes supporting NYC; just consult the tax revenues and expenditures record. Without NYYC sending subsidy/welfare/tax money upstate, then upstate would be even poorer than before, and just an extension of Appalachian misery similar to coal country Pennsylvania and West Virginia. Recently I heard an upstater say of NYC "They took our milk and then they took our money" which is just stupid. NYC paid you for your milk at above market prices as per the NE dairy compact, and how you spent it was up to you. Upstate badly needs this huge and chronic subsidy from downstaters, badly, as there are few jobs upstate and the GOP dominated upstate districts have never been fixed by their GOP representatives. Let the record stand corrected.

Posted by: enough3 | October 31, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Chris -- why describe it as a "two-man" race -- when there's a female candidate? Two-person or two-candidate would have been more approppriate.

Posted by: WFISHER206 | October 31, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

It is conservatives that are the RINOs, trying to hijack a fiscally conservative socially moderate party for their own purposes. Here in NYS Dede is very much in the mainstream of the Republican Party. Traditionally NYS Republicans are a big tent that have included the likes of both MIller (Goldwater's running mate) and the liberal Jacob Javits. I really wish the conservatives would go form their own national party.
Dede is a good and decent person and for her to be trashed in the is campaign is unfortunate. One of my concerns was losing her as my Assemblywoman to a seat that will probably disappear in reapportionment anyway. Now that she knows who her real friends are I think she is going to be freer to follow her principles than she has ever been before.
Chris, part of John McHughh's base was strong union support, same with Dede. That union support will now be undivided and swing strongly behind Owens.
Conservatives may rejoice over this situation in NY-23, but what we are really witnessing is the unravelling of the various components of the Republican coalition fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, religious right, etc. How it is reformulated will be interesting to see.

Posted by: welchd | October 31, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Chris -- why describe it as a "two-man" race -- when there's a female candidate? Two-person or two-candidate would have been more approppriate.

Posted by: WFISHER206 | October 31, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

Your analysis of the race is way too superficial this morning. Yes, common logic would suggest, blah, blah, blah -- but let's look at details. She is pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, and probably the 20% whom she still had are the moderate Republicans who are much more liberal on social issues than Hoffman is and will find it for acceptable to vote for Owens? I actually like the Dem chances right now. At any rate, you make it way too simple. Her voters are also pissed at Hoffman for pushing her out and he is not even a true local. Don't be so, so fast and hasty in your verdict on that one!

Posted by: clare_knight | October 31, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Republicans kept affirmative action and legal immigration from Gingrich to Bush. Republicans think their voters are chumps. They fake them at election and govern for Wall Street same as Dems. Its very important that Gingrich was defeated here as well. Gingrich stands for this type of betrayal of Republican voters.

Posted by: OldAtlantic | October 31, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

SeniorVet, you are 100 per cent WRONG about which part of New York State is propping up the other part. New York City pays 11 billion dollars more in state taxes than it receives in state aid. Upstate New York is the exact opposite -- it receives far more state aid than it pays in state taxes. (This mirrors national statistics -- most red states, where it is popular to whine about taxes, receive far more from than they contribute to the national treasury).

So if upstaters were foolish enough to take your advice, they would soon find their economic condition even worse off than it is now. Once again, right-wing ideology is at odds with actual reality.

Posted by: Richter1 | October 31, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

The biggest problem with the McCain analysis is McCain was more conservative than Bush and Cheney.

You will never hear McCain say that Reagan proved deficits don't matter. That was vintage Cheney.

McCain lost because Obama characterized him as a Bush clone.

Posted by: alstl | October 31, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"In the long run this will cause the demise of the Republican party. May it rest in peace. In Arizona, the wing nuts are looking at losing the governorship because their slash and burn brand of politics has alienated even this usually conservative state. Celebrate while you can wing nuts your political end is near.
Posted by: merrylees | October 31, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse
the purity police of the rightwing are determined to see the republican party get shot down in flames.
These self obsessed wingers do not see that their extreme ideology is very disturbing to those in the mainstream.
My father is a 'business', reagan republican. He's voted republican since the 1960s.
he turned independent about a decade ago. he just could not stand the take over of his party of the rightwing extremists.
It's sad to see that this candidate had to drop out for the extremist candidate. Without balance, the republican party (Palinite party) is little more then an extremist rightwing movement that appeals to the crazy few.
Posted by: vwcat | October 31, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse"

nice to see the leftist fringe out in force...
truth is the same could apply to your party...
and it probably does...

Posted by: DwightCollins | October 31, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

yrral wrote:
So, because you disagree with their opinions, Democrats are unpatriotic, right?

Agreed. But, you have to wonder about those that feel the need to stress their 'patriotic' feelings so much.
Reminds me of the line "Doth protest too much'

Besides, how patriotic is it to pray for the failure of the sitting president, and therefore the failure of the country? How patriotic is it to wish for the harm of a sitting president?

Posted by: vwcat | October 31, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

The ridiculous comment below about Dede S. being like many others he mentions (Dole, McCain, etc.) a Republican in Name Only (RINO), is just stupid. The real Republicans, like Dede, are the ones who believe in the traditional GOP principles of no international entanglements, strong national security but not war mongering, personal privacy, states rights, low regulation and taxes but also having taxes at a level so there are no deficits. And Oh, I forgot that enduring principle of the GOP - personal responsibility. No way that Hoffman fits that list of criteria.

Hoffman is not from the NY 23 district and told the Watertown newspaper's editorial board that he know almost nothing about the local issues. Why in the world would any NY 23 voter vote for someone from outside the district who knows zero about their problems and issues, and cares less about them than the money bags Club for Growth crowd of zealot billionaires from the hated southern end of the state/Manhattan/Wall Street? This election ain't over 'til it's over, and the Fat Cats sing. If Hoffman wins then the NY 23 voters will soon realize thy have made a bad mistake by voting for Ayn Rand radicals, not Republicans.

Posted by: enough3 | October 31, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

In the long run this will cause the demise of the Republican party. May it rest in peace. In Arizona, the wing nuts are looking at losing the governorship because their slash and burn brand of politics has alienated even this usually conservative state. Celebrate while you can wing nuts your political end is near.

Posted by: merrylees | October 31, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

the purity police of the rightwing are determined to see the republican party get shot down in flames.
These self obsessed wingers do not see that their extreme ideology is very disturbing to those in the mainstream.
My father is a 'business', reagan republican. He's voted republican since the 1960s.
he turned independent about a decade ago. he just could not stand the take over of his party of the rightwing extremists.
It's sad to see that this candidate had to drop out for the extremist candidate. Without balance, the republican party (Palinite party) is little more then an extremist rightwing movement that appeals to the crazy few.

Posted by: vwcat | October 31, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

battleground51 wrote:
"Let the Democrat party be liberal/socialist/leftist etc.
Republicans need to stay conservative/patriotic/moral majority etc.."

So, because you disagree with their opinions, Democrats are unpatriotic, right? Seems to me you have a warped view of patriotism if that's what you're suggesting. Surely you can disagree (one would think) with the policies of those who disagree with you without calling their patriotism into question.

Oh, and the word "socialism" has a meaning. It is not synonymous with "liberal" or "big government". Democrats may be generally liberal and their policies may increase the size of government, but they are not "socialist", nor are (I would suspect) any but a tiny fraction of Democrats actually socialists (similar to the percentage of Republican supporters who are actually fascists, perhaps). Although you may use "socialist" as a synonym for "policies that you don't like" that's hardly its meaning

Posted by: yrral | October 31, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

No, actually the lesson here is that the loon wing of the GOP (which seriously believes such obvious nonsense as McCain "acts like a liberal Democrat") is now all there is what was once the party of Lincoln but today is the party of Limbaugh. This of course is wonderful news for the Democrats -- it means that the Republicans are volunteering for political irrelevancy and the White House will be blue for a generation.

Posted by: Richter1 | October 31, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Now if only New York State can be split into two separate states....an "upstate", and a "downstate"....the "upstaters" would not have to support the (New York City) downstaters with their tax dollars, and we here in upstate New York would have more equal representation in Congress.

Posted by: SeniorVet | October 31, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Now if only New York State can be split into two separate states....an "upstate", and a "downstate"....the "upstaters" would not have to support the (New York City) downstaters with their tax dollars, and we here in upstate New York would have more equal representation in Congress.

Posted by: SeniorVet | October 31, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Contrary to what Chris thinks, it is far from clear that Scozzafava's exit means "that much of the Republican's support will now go over to Hoffman, giving him the edge in the campaign's final days."

Hoffman had already corneredall the right wing voters in the race. A significant portion of Scozzafava's voters were sticking with her because they agree with her moderate positions (pro-choice, in favor of economic aid to struggling upstate communities, pro-labor). I find it hard to believe that those voters will migrate overwhelmingly to a hard right candidate like Hoffman.

Don't forget that this is a district that voted for President Obama, Hillary Clinton, Eliot Spitzer, Chuck Schumer, Andrew Cuomo, etc. Upstate New York is a centrist area that, like almost all of the northeast, has been steadily moving away from the Republicans.

I'd actually expect that her voters will split about 50/50 between Owens and Hoffman. Given the close nature of the race and the challenges of low turnout in a special election, it remains a tight election. I expect that Hoffman will win by a narrow margin because his campaign has a sense of momentum, but the exit of the Republican nominee isn't going to guarantee a Conservative Party win.

Posted by: terje1 | October 31, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

The lesson is that Republicans who act like liberal Democrats are going nowhere.

McCain is the latest presidential example.

Remember Dole?? Yeah, him too!

Let the Democrat party be liberal/socialist/leftist etc.

Republicans need to stay conservative/patriotic/moral majority etc..

That way America can have a fair CHOICE.

Liberals love CHOICE, don't they?

Posted by: battleground51 | October 31, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Rinos are the path to defeat. Ask McCain. Whoopee. Maybe the same could happen in nj. Liberals getting a deserved whooping.

Posted by: snowbama | October 31, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

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