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Charlie Crist plans to leave GOP, run for Senate as independent

Florida Gov. Charlie Crist plans to announce he will run for the Senate as an independent tomorrow, leaving the Republican party and setting up a three-way fight in the fall, according to several sources briefed on his decision.

Crist is expected to make the announcement, which had been rumored for weeks, tomorrow afternoon in St. Petersburg.

Crist denied to the Associated Press today that he had told anyone of his decision. And, sources close to the governor warned that he could change his mind at the last minute -- and has shown a propensity for doing just that -- but that as of today he was set on an independent run. Sources close to Crist also described him as comfortable with his decision and not terribly conflicted, however, a state of mind that suggests there is less likelihood that he would change his mind.

His switch comes as former state House Speaker Marco Rubio (R) -- once considered the longest of shots to defeat the popular governor -- has rode a wave of adoration from conservatives nationally to not only catch but pass Crist in polling.

The final straw for Crist may well have been the first quarter fundraising reports in which Rubio collected $3.6 million to $1.1 million for the incumbent governor. While Crist still had a cash on hand edge -- he ended the period with $7.5 million in the bank -- the numbers made clear that momentum was all with Rubio.

Despite the mounting evidence of a possible switch, Crist, himself, was adamant that such a move was not under consideration. As recently as earlier this month, Crist released a statement headlined: "I am running as a Republican. Period."

In the intervening weeks, however, Crist seemed to open the door to such a move -- huddling with longtime aides and donors about an independent bid and even conducting a poll earlier this week to test his viability in the contest.

The buzz out of those meetings was that most people close to Crist urged him to step aside but that his mind was made up on an independent bid.

Rubio, meanwhile, did everything he could to ensure that Crist's move would be painted in purely political terms and lined up every Republican dignitary under the sun -- from former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney to former Vice President Dick Cheney to endorse him.

Crist's decision means that he, Rubio and Rep. Kendrick Meek (D) will face off in November.

By Chris Cillizza  |  April 28, 2010; 4:12 PM ET
Categories:  Senate  
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Mark as you know there is a slplit b/w Houston with 1.5 million and Harris Cty with close to 3 milliion population.
White is popular in Houston where we have nonpartisan mayorial campaigns and White has never been on the ballot as a D. Harris Cty includes ultra conservative Tom DeLay's Sugarland which borders Harris Cyy He will need at least 65per cent in Houston to break even with the coservative and more populace Harris Cty
Still why do conservatives give Perry a pass on his stand against Az immigration law-no conservative here will give us their take on their obvious double standards.Wonder why?

Posted by: leichtman1 | May 1, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

7 MONTHS IS A LONG TIME IN POLITICS!
The former British Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, once said: "A week is a long time in politics!"
Seven months is a long time in American politics! It's always about the state of the economy!
President Obama, his advisers, the Federal Reserve, and a Democratic Congress have done some smart and positive things to turn the economy around, from recession to growth in record time! It has taken the United States, 18 months, for the turnaround! It took the Japanese 12 years to get themselves out of recession!
Only one Party has been managing the economy, and that's been the Democrats!
Only one Party has been honestly concerned about saving and creating jobs, and that's been the Democrats!
The Democrats are the Party of small business. Sixty five percent of workers in the US are employed by small business owners!
It's the Democrats, who have designed and delivered tax breaks and tax credits for small businesses to stay afloat and prosper!
It's the Democrats, who are trying to regulate the financial sector, so that we do not have another economic meltdown, with its accompanying mass unemployment, and misery for families.
It's the Democrats who are concerned about the creation of new Green Energy economy, that will produce higher paying jobs!
It’s the Democrats, through the Recovery Act, who have invested in lithium battery factories, to power the new hybrid vehicles of the future!
It's the Democrats that are concerned about cutting Health care cost for businesses, and make them more competitive in a global economy.
It's the Democrat economic policy that have seen, a 7% growth in three consecutive quarters, the best in 50 years!
Why shouldn't the electorate vote for Democrats to regain control of the Senate and House of Representative in November?
Why shouldn’t the electorate trust the Democrats to successfully manage the economy?
Democrats have proved that in time of economic crisis, they can deliver!
Democrats are not quitters!
Democrats feel the pain of the American people, and try and solve their problems!
Democrats don’t play politics with the unemployed! They help them retain and find jobs!
Democrats have displayed a quality of courageous and sacrificial leadership, unseen for decades!
Democrats know how to lead effectively in a crisis!
It's the economy!
It always has been, and always will be about the economy!
When it comes to the management of the economy, the Democrats are a cut above the other Party!

Posted by: stephendelsol | April 29, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

"has rode a wave"... What the heck??

Posted by: OHREALLYNOW | April 29, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"has rode a wave"... What the heck??

Posted by: OHREALLYNOW | April 29, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you km.

Like most people, I've been thinking about Wall Street's synthetic financial products... Who knew robber barons would be setting IEDs on the American road to prosperity?

Posted by: shrink2 | April 29, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

kreuz, Geithner claims Japan, China, and Europe will all follow our lead on FinReg. He makes the same point you do: this is a global matter.

shrink, I no longer know with the Rs where the gaming begins. They were behind the 1968 privatization, but Ds bought into it then, too.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 29, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

As I've said before, talking in abstract about less government interference in the markets and the need to let the market do it's work is one thing, but we live in the real world, a world where commerce is global and we're not the only ones playing the game. We focus on Wall Street, but David Frum made some good points earlier in the week:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/04/26/frum.crash.finance.china/index.html

This isn't just about Wall Street. They were the instrument used that resulted in the bubble and collapse, but lots of other factors were at work, as he shows, the Chinese government's intervention to buy up our debt regardless of credit worthiness.

The US economy is not a closed system that we have the ability to simply say we believe in a free market and stay out of. Some countries have universal healthcare, subsidizing their industries and putting ours at a competitive disadvantage for our refusal to follow suit. With the Housing Market, China had a national interest to extend us cheap credit to keep our consumers buying their product, frankly not caring how worthy our credit was because their own growth and developments could offset the losses. This put Wall Street in a position to make a huge profit with crappy investments, making billions off the transaction costs without regard to the outcome. China benefits, America loses, because we decided we would trust the markets and stay out, while they participate in them to their own benefit. If nothing else, we at least need to be refereeing the process.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 29, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Well is that possible?
I mean, are Republicans on board with the idea? Like I said it is fine with me, but there must be a lot of "free speech" telling politicians not to cut off the gravy train.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 29, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

shrink, I think we can agree on the Prodigal and on the complete federalizing of FanFred. I oppose its hybridization. We have no business making private investors rich with federal guarantees.

It will not be a bad thing to accomplish that federalization in this FinReg package.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 29, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

So now, do we call F&F a fed stepchild or America’s prodigal son? Stepchild, or the extraordinarily successful device that has for decades protected America’s property owners from the unmitigated evil that is crony capitalism. Oh we have crony capitalism all right and we will have it in the real estate markets too if we eliminate the public/private corporation that is too important to fail.

The private sector was looting the value of the nation's real property, by setting bets over bets “synthetic products”, like explosive devices, over and around peoples’ mortgages. Republicans want to forget about that and so they concentrate their fire on the entity that may have saved the day. I’ll say F&F were being poorly managed, but that can be fixed. Their purpose and their basic structure is not what got them or us into the trouble that could have been so much worse.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 29, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Lets talk about too big to fail. In the private sector, everyone agrees, too big to fail is a really bad thing. But is it bad for F&F to be too big to fail? I say no, I say it is a really good thing.

Connecting America’s solvency to the cumulative value of its privately held property is not just ok, it is brilliant. The last resort can not be failure.

The fact the F&F can not fail is not why, or how this disaster happened, it is what buffered this disaster and is still doing so. Sequestering, walling off the toxic assets from the market has allowed this astonishing recovery to begin.

Investors worldwide know the United States of America is backing the value of stuff that would be worthless if it all came to market at once. This shadow market, call it what you want, would all have been forced onto the market in bankruptcies that would have devastated every town in America, but for the existence of F&F.

More later…

Posted by: shrink2 | April 29, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

We have to look carefully at the cause of the the failure of Lehman, WaMu, Bears Stearns and then decide whether the public private partnership that is F&F was an integral part of the disaster and if so, was the role it played causal, or was it as I said last night, simply the vehicle for the crash caused by drunken driving.

Further (to stretch the analogy to the breaking point), could we view the car the private sector crashed as the reason the driver did not die? Or were the crumple zones, air bags and so on part of the reason the driver felt safe enough to be reckless, so to speak.

Real estate bubbles have been a regular occurrence and I don’t remember F&F being blamed as the witch in previous recessions.
So what made this one so bad it almost brought down the world’s banking system? F&F holding 18% of the subprime market did not bring down WaMu. Its loosening of underwriting standards did, however, get some people into homes they could not afford and it did contribute to the flipping phenomenon that is one of the main drivers of property bubbles. But does the fact that it participated in the run up to the crash mean it needs to be “reformed” or somehow redesigned?

I am totally against the government getting out of the mortgage underwriting business. The basic mission of F&F has been wildly successful and so then lets look at going back to pre 1968, to make it an agency of government that competes with the private sector. Wouldn’t that be like the public option in the health care debate?

I mean, it is ok with me, but isn’t that a lot like…socialism? I won’t join forces with the tyranny crowd, but just for a second, it gives me the creeps to think there are government owned houses up and down the street next to privately held houses. Government backing of privately held mortgages sounds like a good compromise between safety, agility and private property staying private property.

You say, if taxpayers are going to back the company, then taxpayers, not just shareholders, should benefit from the company’s profits. This is a legitimate argument, but it has nothing to do with the financial crisis, or the Republican desire to run F&F reform into the financial reform bill. No, I question the Republicans’ motives. I think they are trying to make F&F draw fire in order to distract public attention from the fraud merchants and looters that are their patrons, the very people sponsoring the Republican effort to kill, then now gut and delay the bill.

More later…

Posted by: shrink2 | April 29, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Mark,

American prosperity can never be separated from the private property rights we enjoy.

In many countries, whether Vietnam, Nigeria, India, China, Brazil, no one can every be sure they own anything. Their governments are so corrupt, they can simply take property away from people by producing a piece of paper that voids any prior piece of paper. Land title law was not a part of our heritage and the durability of titles, more specifically the fungibility of our wealth is at the core of why our brand of capitalism works better than anywhere else. I’ll cite Hernando Desoto “The Mystery of Capital” and Mancur Olson, “Power and
Prosperity” on this point.

So the huge, relatively affluent American middle class, a profound historical anomaly, is a product our property laws as much as it is a product of any other attribute we may call American. If we can agree on that, we can go on to the role of F&F.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 29, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

If Charlie Crist makes this move it will cast him into the same shameless political group as Lieberman and Specter.

And he will lose anyway.

Posted by: jdcw | April 29, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"His switch comes as former state House Speaker Marco Rubio (R) ... has rode a wave of adoration from conservatives nationally to not only catch but pass Crist in polling."

"Has rode"??!? Careful there, Chris - if grammar profiling ever becomes popular in Arizona or DC, you might get pulled over ... never mind the split infinitive ;-)

Posted by: PattiFink1 | April 29, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

one time threadjack for shrink:

The wiki article called 'Fannie Mae' is a ccomplete enough reference for my abbreviated defense of "stepchildren".
FNMA was a governmental entity until 1968, when it was privatized. But government backing of its securities remained implicit. Here was a private organization run for the benefit of shareholders selling a product perceived to be backed by the full faith and credit of the USA. My appellation is "stepchild". In the deregulation frenzy, that safest of all investments, a FNMA mortgage backed security, facing increased competition from the speculators like G-S, began packaging loans without real substance into their MBSs. Now these services are in receivership. Taxpayers are backing the implicit guarantee. When the receivership ends, and how, is up for grabs. To avoid the repeat performance, underwriting rules must be tighter on the mortgage end. However, that is not enough. If we are to have taxpayers servicing loans than taxpayers should be profiting. We either go back to pre-`1968, or cast the entities loose from implicit government support.

Why is this a big problem now? Because FanFred is by definition "too big to fail". Thus I favor pre-1968 government ownership and conservative lending and fundraising policies as an end result. A mortgage buyer of last resort is just going to be too darned big.
If we can get by without a mortgage buyer of last resort, so that privatized, FanFred will shrink in size to manageable levels that can allow them to fail without crippling the economy, I would like to see that proposal.

From your view as a psychiatrist you may have a better shorthand than "stepchild", and if you post it I will feel free to adopt it with attribution, of course.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 29, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

The dirty politics the republicans have pulled on Crist, would make it hard to support their beliefs and so called requirements of being a republican politician.
He has refused to follow their tactics, putting his state and it's needs over the obstruction of the party.
Hope more republicans step up and say enough of participating in the destruction of our country.

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Posted by: ouliqing | April 29, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

This will be the most watched, most entertaining race of this election cycle... and the teabagger Rubio will get skewered.....deeeelightful.

Posted by: seakeys | April 29, 2010 6:25 AM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Florida,_2010#Rubio_.28R.29_v._Meek_.28D.29_v._Crist_.28I.29

Basically the polling that's been done on three way races. I wonder how accurate a three way poll is when there is no official third party candidate. Rubio is leading, but just by a slim margin. (with one poll a few weeks ago showing Crist winning) I can imagine him losing quite a bit of support going into the fall. Meek and Crist will undoubtedly train most of their fire on the top dog and a lot of those attacks will land as Rubio does have some very serious ethical concerns. We'll see if votes can be moved away from Rubio. There is a chance he's scraping the bottom of the barrel and his support won't leave with Crist and Meek in a two way race to get the votes among the rest of the 65% to top Rubio's 35%. I do think he will lose support as his ethical concerns come to light. On top of this, Meek probably has a higher ceiling than the mid 20s he's been polling at simply because he's relatively unknown and out of mind with the high profile Republican primary.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 29, 2010 5:02 AM | Report abuse

Forget running. You let black leaders in NJ Down. They watched you place everyone in office but them and they will do you the same way they did corzine. You have not reached out or returned calls. Your staff all white, blacks who stuck their neck out got thrown under the bus by you.
You won't win.

Posted by: sickofliars | April 29, 2010 2:51 AM | Report abuse

"Who'd have ever thought this group would be upset? I'm curious to see how this plays out. If the people responsible for this bill didn't realize a lot of heat would come with it, then they're not very bright. Can they hold their mud? If the courts take them off the hook, they've got an excuse, but if they just back down they're really going to look lame."

++++

Brigade, the not very bright people responsible for S.B. 1070 appears largely to be Kris Kobach, a law professor and so-called immigration law "expert" at the University of Missouri-Kansas City. He lost his race for Kansas Congressional District 3 some years ago and is evidently still stinging from that rebuke (he lost by 10% points to Dennis Moore). Kobach bedevils us now with bad legislation and wants to force it on other states.

Missouri was to pass an anti-immigration bill similar to Arizona's S.B. 1070 this evening, but the legislators "put it off for the next legislative year." One wonders if the Justice Department glaring at Arizona brought Missouri's legislators to their senses.

Posted by: Kelly14 | April 29, 2010 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Crist has an opportunity to be his own man and politician. He no longer fits the ultra-far-right republican party and trying to do a Romney just won't do it.

Posted by: SteelWheel25 | April 29, 2010 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Whenever I read one of these long, generation-skipping explanations of the financial crisis in 2008,

Starting with CRA in 1977,
how the R's, wisely realizing that a crisis would occur, tried valiantly to solve it (but, oh so narrowly failed),
while the D's socialistically, maliciously and cleverly outwitted the R's at every turn,
and therefore it all culminated in a worldwide financial crisis (don-cha-see);

it reminds me of the Israeli/Palestinian dispute. Both sides going back years, decades, centuries, millenia, prehistoric with their arguments.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 29, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

In case you missed it, armpeg has produced the official Republican position in re F&F:

"This bad economy is all because of Barack Obama's Socialist/Communist policies of nationalizing private industries (GM, Chrysler), Banks, Mortgage companies, Insurance companies, and now all the Health care companies, and his agenda to redistribute all wealth. Obama though will get a free pass for it because the Democrap Socialists control the Main Stream Media, Academia, and Hollywood, and it'll be all blamed on Pres. GW Bush. Just like the Nazi propaganda minister Goebels (?) once said, tell a lie often enough, and there'll be people who'll believe it, and with the MSM in Obama's and the Democrap Socialists hip-pocket, how can they miss.
This bad economy started with the Democrap Socialist Community Re-investment Act, that forced banks and mortgage companies to give mortgage loans to people who could never pay it back. This caused Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac to fail, and to be bailed out by us taxpayers in the billions if not trillions. People bought houses for no money down and on welfare, and banks were forced to give it to them under threat of lawsuits for discrimination and red-lining by shysters like Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Kent Conrad, Ted Kennedy, etc., all Democrap Socialists. They even forced banks and mortgage companies to accept a persons monthly welfare check and the value of their food stamps as collateral. When the Republicans and Pres. GW Bush tried to reign in these bad loans back in 2006, because they forsaw the do-do hitting the fan if they didn't do anything about it, every Democrap Socialist voted against it.
It must be nice to have the MSM in your hip-pocket, so you can blame the Republicans and Pres. GW Bush for something the Democrap Socialist's are primaily responsible for, and get away with it.

Posted by: armpeg | April 29, 2010 12:00 AM


Any questions?
Heh, heh.

Earlier we heard a contrary position from zouketal in this regard. They said F&F were bad because they hogged the prime secondary market and forced the private sector to do what they did in sub prime.

It is always the same on the right. Get your hate points together people!

Is Obama an affirmative action idiot, a stuffed suit TP reader, or, the black muslim evil genius, the one world government Antichrist?

Posted by: shrink2 | April 29, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

"Handling" FanFred here means reorganizing the good assets into a new entity that is totally federal or totally private, not "quasi"; and liquidating the rest. That is a big job and until FanFred are not fed stepchildren they remain too big to fail and too likely to make overly risky choices because of the moral hazard of bailout repeats. The Ds say they will handle it separately. Rs want it in this package."

Ok thank you. I don't think this is something everyone understands as mission critical.

I am saying it is a political football now because Republicans say it is.

Before Republicans decided to vilify F&F, most people understood these agencies as central and I mean central to the American Dream machine. You call them fed stepchildren, when did you come to that realization?

The origin of the toxic assets and the disposition of the toxic assets (liabilities) are two separate questions.

If F&F are badly built institutions, that should be fixed. If F&F are not badly built, but do hold lots of toxic assets, then dealing with those liabilities is what needs to happen.

Are F&F bad? Of course they were integral to the disaster, but a car is a big part of a crash caused by drinking and driving. And we learn Laura Bush wishes the person she killed in an accident was driving an Impala, not a Corvair.

...fed stepchildren...

Posted by: shrink2 | April 29, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

I see that the R's and D's are basically singing off the same songsheet for financial reform. There is a consensus that more regulation is needed. (Sorry, Comrade, looks like Austrian School approach rejected.)

Now, it's a matter of a little push and pull, but we are on the road to a bipartisan law. Good! I just hope that they make the law strong enough to head off the worst excesses. I don't believe that it will be perfect, but at least it's a start.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 29, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Leichtman, Goodhair and Anita are living out by Lost Creek CC, just outside Loop 360. That used to be ETJ but might be in the city limits now. I am not going to check a map right now, but if you want to, the city's website maintains official maps. I assume the whole subdivision is either in or out. I think they are on Hickory Creek Dr.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 28, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

More aftermath from the MLK fiasco:

Tourism officials estimated Phoenix alone lost almost 170 conventions and an estimated $300 million in benefits from the controversy.

On the convention front, Phoenix is a finalist for the Republican National Convention and is preparing a bid for the 2012 Democratic National Convention. The city is also scheduled to host the Major League Baseball All-Star Game in 2011."
----------------------------------
Saturday, the AZ Hispanic Republicans issued a statement denouncing the new law and wrote a letter to Michael Steele at the RNC, asking that the Republican convention be pulled from AZ.

Think any of this business is going away?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 28, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

The effect on AZ might be similar to that experienced when the state refused to recognize MLK holiday.

"That uproar began in 1987, when then-Gov. Evan Mecham rescinded former Gov. Bruce Babbitt's order creating a paid state holiday for the slain civil-rights leader.

Mecham said it was created illegally and called for a voter referendum. Within a few months, nearly $1 million in convention business was lost. The figure was up to $4.6 million a couple of months later, including the cancellation of three large conventions.

Voters failed to pass a state holiday in 1990, resulting in more headlines and cancellations. In 1991, the NFL pulled the 1993 Super Bowl from metropolitan Phoenix."

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/04/22/20100422arizona-immigration-bill-hurting-businesses.html

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 28, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be too sure that tourism in AZ isn't going to take a BIG hit. Ten percent of their overnight visitors come from Mexico.

Diane Enos, president of the Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community, which last week opened the 400-room Talking Stick Resort and casino east of Scottsdale, said the bill is not good for Arizona.

"It does not put our best face forward to visitors, particularly to international travelers," she said in a statement.

"I don't see anything good for tourism in this," said Bruce Lange, managing director of the Westin Kierland Resort and Spa and former chairman of the Valley Hotel & Resort Association.

"It's just one of those issues that makes people uncomfortable. When people get uncomfortable, it's a lot easier to say, 'I don't want to go there,' " he added.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | April 28, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, when WaMu went under, Sheila Bair of FDIC said the plate was full; WaMu meant that FDIC could not handle a single other big failure.

The FDIC takes over a failed bank, runs it, sorts the assets, if there are enough good assets it spins off a new healthy bank and sells the bad assets for pennies on the dollar. Stockholders lose all, management is out, creditors may get shorted. It is like a reorganization in bankruptcy. The staffing, auditing, lawyering, reorganizing, liquidating, is very costly, but it has worked for years. FDIC can "handle" a big bank like WaMu, but not a giant holding company like Citicorp. Not enough staff, not enough capital.

The RTC sorted out the S&L crisis of 1987-90 over six years, and had to make some fire sales because it was short funded. If some of those real estate assets could have been held, the net cost over time would have been much less, but that would have required some prefunding, to allow for holding periods.

"Handling" FanFred here means reorganizing the good assets into a new entity that is totally federal or totally private, not "quasi"; and liquidating the rest. That is a big job and until FanFred are not fed stepchildren they remain too big to fail and too likely to make overly risky choices because of the moral hazard of bailout repeats. The Ds say they will handle it separately. Rs want it in this package.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 28, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

it is obvious why Nelson wasn't granted his exemption to existing derivative language to accomodate Buffett, regardless of its merits. Can just see Rs demogoguing it again calling it Neslon's Part II kickback. After HC, Ds have learned not to go down that same road gain.

The problem is not speculating or hedging, the problem is the conflict of interest, GS taking positions contrary to what they were advising customers about the cbos. No one is interested in ending speculation though, there is nothing inherently wrong with "speculating" 37th.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 28, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Perry may have violated city ordinance and violated his concealed handgun permit:

"Gov. Rick Perry's use of a handgun to kill a coyote that he says was threatening a labrador puppy may have violated both city of Austin ordinances and state law.

"The only real issue is whether Perry's rental home and the area he was jogging in is within Austin city limits or in unincorporated Travis County. The $9,000 a month rental home is in a sparsely populated, wooded subdivision....

Perry's discharge also may have violated his concealed handgun permit."

"The state law says "concealed" means a handgun must be kept in a way where it is "not openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a reasonable person."

will get back with you suzy as to what Austin decides to do, though likely nothing, since Perry fought installation of metal detectors in the state capital(he thinks its 1800 and that we still live in the wild west).

mark might know if Perry is actually living w/i city limits since some idiot tried to burn down our governor's mansion last year. Its unbelievable that he is actually blowing $9000/month for a rental home when our state is facing a Perry created $11 billion budget deficit. Didn't Huckabee live out of a trailor for several years when the Arkansas Governor's mansion was being remodeled? Shows the difference in character. Perry thinks he is a real man of the people spending $9000/mo(likely on taxpayor's dime) for a house rental, go figure, he sure has fooled the state TeaPartiers into believing he is.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 28, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

mark_in_austin

the government should have never allowed the wall street firms to continue to operate the way they had.


One really has to understand what the bill does.


How in the world is ANYONE supposed to support a 1500 page bill - when so few understand what is in it???

Just take the fund you are talking about- do we really understand how it works? Does it encourage speculation or not ?

The story we keep getting is that in order to unwind all the positions in a failed institution it could take years - and highly technical management of those assets along the way.

I do not trust the wall st lobbyists - I do not trust what they are getting the democrats to do - and I do not trust what they are getting the Republicans to do.


Why do they need 1500 pages?

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 28, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

mark_in_austin

the government should have never allowed the wall street firms to continue to operate the way they had.


One really has to understand what the bill does.


How in the world is ANYONE supposed to support a 1500 page bill - when so few understand what is in it???

Just take the fund you are talking about- do we really understand how it works? Does it encourage speculation or not ?

The story we keep getting is that in order to unwind all the positions in a failed institution it could take years - and highly technical management of those assets along the way.

I do not trust the wall st lobbyists - I do not trust what they are getting the democrats to do - and I do not trust what they are getting the Republicans to do.


Why do they need 1500 pages?

.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 28, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Mark, what does this mean?

"handle"

Posted by: shrink2 | April 28, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Like Brigade, I do think the Rs had a couple of points they seriously want in this bill. One will not weaken it.
The Ds say they want to handle FanFred separately, but the Rs wanted it in this bill. The Rs and Nelson wanted an exception for existing derivative contracts. That could weaken the bill. The Rs do not want to pre-fund the resolution trust feature which the Admin would accept, but I do not know why. Roubini has calculated that in current dollars the reorganization or liquidation of failed big financial institutions will cost $700B in current money over a fifty year period and a $14B annual fee from the big institutions is the safe method of replicating the FDIC for big banks. Equally safe is the notion of prefunding for three years. Has nothing to do with "bail-outs", except it lets us avoid them.

Point being that the Dodd bill is imperfect, the Rs have tweaks that both strengthen and weaken the bill, that they wanted the leverage, as Brigade said, but they will play ball on this one, eventually, and I would like the Ds to get the FanFred reform measure either in this bill or concurrently, while the iron is hot.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 28, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

It will be fascinating to watch Charlie morph himself into something other than a self-serving, say-anything, no-core-beliefs, career politician with a talent for well-timed drama. Let me take a wild guess here…he didn’t leave the party, it left him…he’s a courageous maverick….he will reach beyond party lines for real solutions…. The truth can be found in the middle….. kumbaya & any other oft repeated mantra. blah, blah, blah… tacking with the political breezes, let the race begin.

Posted by: RDVoter | April 28, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

It will be fascinating to watch Charlie morph himself into something other than a self-serving, say-anything, no-core-beliefs, career politician with a talent for well-timed drama. Let me take a wild guess here…he didn’t leave the party, it left him…he’s a courageous maverick….he will reach beyond party lines for real solutions…. The truth can be found in the middle….. kumbaya & any other oft repeated mantra. blah, blah, blah… tacking with the political breezes, let the race begin.

Posted by: RDVoter | April 28, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

There are FEDERAL laws which REQUIRE all aliens who are here legally to carry their registration cards AT ALL TIMES.

So, how is it a racist BURDEN to ask them to comply with Federal Law????


This is what the democrats are doing - US Citizens and people here legally are not unduly burdened by this law.

AND the reason for the law is NOT RACISM - the reason for the law is 500,000 have decided to BREAK THE LAW.


There is a general atmosphere of lawlessness - of NOT following the law.

It is that simple.

Does Obama want to do HIS JOB or does he want to turn this into a RACIAL issue.

Some guy who says he wants to be POSTRACIAL - running to any issue which is RACIAL and will DIVIDE people.

Another way Obama is NOT doing what he was elected to do.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 28, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

anon, I agree that McCain almost certainly wins if he gets through this primary. (although who would have thought a few months ago this primary would even be any problem?)

It's too bad the Democratic field is pretty weak. The iron might have been hot for striking. given the anger we've seen in Arizona over the immigration law.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 28, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, thanks for the second DMR story. Apparently Henry's is facing a $900K civil fine here in TX, for labor violations arising out of the treatment of the employees indentured in IA, but no criminal charges.

There was a story in the Austin A-S and two in the Houston Chronicle, but WaPo will not let me post three links.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 28, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

How in the world is asking for a drivers' license an UNREASONABLE SEARCH ???

The democrats are trying to make political hay out of the Arizona situation - and whip up a RACIAL CLIMATE.

What do the democrats NOT want to do ? It appears that the democrats do NOT want to enforce the law.

What is more important, enforcing the law or making a racial political issue???

Obama has an OATH to UPHOLD THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES - WHICH INCLUDES THE IMMIGRATION LAWS. Obama's stance means not only is Obama NOT doing his job, Obama is SAYING THAT IT IS MISGUIDED TO DO HIS JOB.

Sorry, but Obama is not doing his job.

That has to be grounds for REMOVAL FROM OFFICE.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 28, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

"I don't see this in the same sinister light as some of you. This is how legislation gets hammered out. There were things in this bill the Republicans wanted changed in committee. One or two things they got; others they didn't. One of their complaints was that the bill has a fairly broad sweep---it just doesn't deal with the big boys who caused the financial crisis. When there's a big enough sweep, you can always go back and carve out exemptions and special deals for the very folks you set out to regulate. You hope no one's the wiser, and you pick up a chunk of campaign cash while you're at it.

Once they voted for cloture, the Repubs lost leverage. Sure they can offer amendments, but most of what follows now is all hot air and gut wind. Then the bill gets passed.


Posted by: Brigade "


I'd believe this is about policy if the Dems and the Rs weren't so close together in their respective plans. Dodd's bill and the R bill are almost identical. Also, you know, if they didn't filibuster everything that is capable of being filibustered. You know and I know that whole thing about leverage is BS.

And nothing sinister about this. Four votes in three days? Reid's only goal is to put these people on the record over and over and over again. This time they would have to actually filibuster. Actually go up and talk non-stop. A political move 100% And that's fine. Republicans want to protect the big banks? Let them suffer at the ballot box. For them to call the bill a permanent bailout is a 100% baldfaced lie. Let them suffer for that.

This bill is going to pass, but almost certainly with a small contingency of Republicans. Every single Republican has three votes against debate. At least 30 of them will vote against the final bill. And while some Republicans will vote for it, the entire party is at risk at being painted with one brush. This included non-incumbents who are running.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 28, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade


My feeling is that there have been efforts at massive deception - and it poisons the political discourse.


Honestly, take a look at some of the posts here -


Claims the tea party is about to get violent - however the only protests to get violent over the past few years have been the liberal protests.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 28, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

McCain deserves to flat-out lose, for unleashing that horrid Palin creature on America. He'd never run as an Independent.

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Probably not. And anyway, the filing deadlines in Arizona preclude a Lieberman-style switch. He wouldn't switch before the primary as, unlike Crist, he's ahead.

But he's always been independent and he's never got along well with the more extreme wing of the Republican party. I can easily see him leading a "gang of three." First, he would absolutely love that, especially in his final term. McCain is always a player, even when he's got a weak hand. Something like this is better, in some ways, than being president.

Second, Lieberman and Crist are, as far as politically possible, friends of his. After the Arizona primary, I'd give odds that McCain actively backs Crist. I'll bet Lieberman will, too.

Politics doesn't really get any better than this.

Posted by: anon99 | April 28, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

This will be the 1st real test of Tea Party Power. What's left (pun) of the Fla Republican Party after 08 is mostly conservative. Marco saw that opportunity and leveraged it using the Tea Party endorsement. He caught Crist off-guard. Now Crist has boxed Marco in a the Tea Party Candidate. Add to that, Marco is the "big oil" candidate (based on Marco's American Express expense report.

Crist is not letting up. Going Independent leave Marco with the Tea Party (ultra right) and virtually nothing else. Fla moderate Republicans were forced out in 08, and the rest seem to be following Crist out now.

If Marco wins, the Tea Party wins. If Marco loses....

Should be interesting regardless. The Tea Party vs. everyone else in Florida (Moderate Republicans, Independents and Democrats).

Posted by: wmboyd | April 28, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain deserves to flat-out lose, for unleashing that horrid Palin creature on America. He'd never run as an Independent.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 28, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

37th: "I am all for an increase in civility."

I have my doubts, but am willing to be open minded.

37th: "However, do you want the lies to continue, and only ban the calling out of liars?"

If a "lie" has been posted, then response is the "truth". Though to be accurate, if someone *disagrees* with you, then the civil response is *your opinion*, not name calling (racist, liar, whatever).

Then again, you know all this. You don't behave this way in real life (or if you do, you don't get invited to many parties). I recently made the same point to Jake Dort.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 28, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

One is an anomaly. Two is a trend. Three is a movement. I wonder who the third one will be?

In any case, if he makes it through, it is quite possible that between them, Crist, Lieberman and McCain will hold the balance of power in the new Senate.

How can any fan of irony not devoutly wish for an outcome like this?

Posted by: anon99 | April 28, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Who knows, we may get back to 60-seats!

Posted by: bobnsri | April 28, 2010 8:44 PM

The democrats will be lucky to have that many in the House after November.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | April 28, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I think Crist can easily WIN, if runs as a Democrat.

CC should switch to Democrat and secure the nomination of Dem party.

The joke Fubio can’t win with hoogie Palin in toe.

Posted by: JHigginss | April 28, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Go, Charlie!

Marco ... Polo?

Posted by: jprice2 | April 28, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

sure voters are supposed to vote for the person and the elected official is supposed to vote for whats good for the people who elected him.. but it has not worked that way in along time... everone is so concerned with the party .the right the left the ts that everyone fogets elected officials need to represent there states there districts if just some of these cronies actually did this as the founding fathers wanted maybe the people could actually be heard instead of screwed

Posted by: franklin7 | April 28, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

If Crist becomes an independent I will donate to his campaign -- anything to stick it the GOP.

Posted by: Freethotlib | April 28, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Charlie - Is this true you back-stabbed Rudy Gulliani? Is THIS TRUE PUNK?

Charlie did you or did you NOT stick a knife in the back of Rudy Gulliani?

I'm coming down to put some whoop-ass on you punk and it aint gonna be pretty


Posted by: Chevy55sc10 | April 28, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Another pick up for the Sensible Democratic Party. Thank You Tea Party.
And Now It's onto Victories in Ohio, New Hampshire.
Who knows, we may get back to 60-seats!

Posted by: bobnsri | April 28, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

So help me god charlie if you don't answer your phone I'll grab you by the hair on your balls and physically throw you out of the Governors house.

Now...GET OUT!

Rubio

Posted by: Chevy55sc10 | April 28, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Charlie - answer the GD phone PUNK! 850 488 7146.

Stop hiding ya GD coward and take your lumps like a man

Local TC was laughing at you charlie with your little portable fan ya freak

How the hell did this freak EVER become Governor

The coward is a FREAK

I'm gonna keep calling Charlie and if you don't answer your phone i'm coming to your house and drag you out by your ears and give you a redneck ass-whoopin

Then I'll hump your mother and make you watch, you hear me punk?

Posted by: Chevy55sc10 | April 28, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade


Interesting take


I am all for an increase in civility.

However, do you want the lies to continue, and only ban the calling out of liars?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 28, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Charlie - answer the GD phone! 850 488 7146.

Put your boyfridnd don for as minute

If not I'll come down there and kick you ass Charlie. We had it with your shenanigans.

do you hear me punk?

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I really wish nitwits like this would find someplace else to surf

Posted by: Noacoler | April 28, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Run ya God Damn coward. You Charlie are a disgrace. rubio birch-slapped you all over florida and now you run like the coward you are. Wouldn't it be funny if Rubio ran as an independent

Ryn ya COWARD RUN! See Charie RUN

Posted by: Chevy55sc10 | April 28, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

@Brigade - The Des Moines Register! My old paper. I went to grad school at Iowa State. Always hated the pro-Hawkeye slant, but it was a decent paper. There's another conservative Cyclone on the board (sliowa1).

@37th - I'll call what I presume to be a very temporary truce. If you'd stop calling others liars and racists, I'd give you a bit of credit. I doubt that's going to happen, so I'll happily await the arrival of moderation as described by CC.

Incidentally to all others, I'm delighted that CC is taking on the helm of Post Politics. A far more interesting job that moderating the squabbling around here.

See ya all in the funny pages. Got some Indian to make (chickpea & spinach bhaji, green chicken skewers, rice with peas & dill).

Buh-Bye

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 28, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Mark_in_Austin,
If you're really in Austin, you might be interested---or maybe not---in some additional info regarding a post I made last night. This was another story in the DM Register today (by Clark Kauffman again):

"In his closing argument Tuesday, Henry's attorney, David Scieszinski, contended that the state's case was not properly filed in that it wasn't initiated by any of Henry's workers.
"Scieszinski also argued that West Liberty Foods, not Henry's Turkey Service, was the men's true employer.
"The state presented evidence that Henry's paid the men's wages, kept track of their hours, and paid their unemployment insurance."

There is another wrinkle to this story that I thought my interest you.

"Officials from both Henry's and Iowa Workforce Development have said that their work on the case was hampered by the Texas attorney general, who seized 40 years' worth of company records 14 months ago and refused to provide copies to regulators or Henry's attorneys.
". . . company officials say some of the seized records pertain to the state of Texas' controversial partnership with Henry's Turkey Service.
In the 1960s and 1970s, the state-run Texas Rehabilitation Commission sent Henry's 600 mentally retarded men who had been living, at state expense, in an institution."

It seems the state of Texas provided Henry's with money to "train" the men who were then re-located to one of Henry's labor camps in the midwest and South Carolina.

"The Texas Commission later gave the company's founder, Thurman Johnson, an award for his efforts to employ the disabled. The Texas Legislature, citing the savings realized from moving the disabled men out of state, praised Johnson for his 'humanitarian spirit.'"

What a guy! Truth is stranger than fiction. You just couldn't make it up.

Posted by: Brigade | April 28, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman, if you're around, I read that Rick Perry shot and killed a coyote yesterday. Did he field dress it too? If Palin can field dress a moose, Perry should be able to handle a coyote. Please report back on this.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | April 28, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Charlie - answer the GD phone! 850 488 7146.

Put your boyfridnd don for as minute

If not I'll come down there and kick you ass Charlie. We had it with your shenanigans.

do you hear me punk?

Posted by: Chevy55sc10 | April 28, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Brigade and BB, thanks. I read the link from BB and will check the storyline on google later. I am an employer side labor and employment lawyer and I remember this as an INS case when it broke, but I filtered it out since. I want to revisit it now.

There is a new version of 'Hamlet' on PBS right now. I am taking my twin granddaughters to the park before dark and recording the Dane.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 28, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Crist is a popular governor. Don't count your chickens just yet.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 28, 2010 8:13 PM


Popular governor? I don't think so, Noacoler. Crist has joined obama in the ratings department: "Crist's once stratospheric approval ratings have dropped below 50 percent."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/article1090170.ece

Posted by: SuzyCcup | April 28, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

The Arizona Hotel and Lodging Association says that the boycotts have already cost the Grand Canyon state six major conventions, including a convention for immigration lawyers."

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Millions of dollars in lost business. Watch the hoteliers lead the charge for repeal.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 28, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

@brigade - 37th insults anyone who deigns to disagree with it. Just let it slide.

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Just ignore him. We have all the evidence we need that reading 37th posts is a waste of time. He's brainless.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 28, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Get this maggot gut-sucking lizard out of my party!

Florida hates this perv

Either way, Rubio wins hands down

Posted by: Chevy55sc10 | April 28, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Nice try, 37. The boycott of "Aryanizona" IS working. Read this, Corner...
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"A controversial Arizona law has many government officials crying boycott, threatening the state’s already strained tourism trade.

Opponents of Arizona’s new immigration law are urging tourists not to visit the state and pressuring businesses and organizations to cancel conventions based in Arizona.

The Arizona Hotel and Lodging Association says that the boycotts have already cost the Grand Canyon state six major conventions, including a convention for immigration lawyers."

http://www.petergreenberg.com/category/mexico-central-america/

...and that's just over the last few days. It's just getting started.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE. BOYCOTT. BOYCOTT.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 28, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade


You know that isn't true - Only those who get really nasty with their unjustified partisan views.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 28, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Rubio will easily win the Florida race with or without Crist. Crist is a sore loser with nowhere to go after November.

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Rubio is a little-known coasting on a pile of out-of-state money and in a lot of legal trouble; Crist is a popular governor. Don't count your chickens just yet.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 28, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, you dangled a tidbit at 6:52PM. Can you link to it? I would like to read that story. Thanks.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 28, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I just got it from a paper copy of the Des Moines Register. I'm sure they have a link, but I've never used it. This Postville story has gotten a lot of ink over the past year, so if you Google Postville Immigration Raid or something, you'll probably get some hits there, too.

Posted by: Brigade | April 28, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

@Mark - Here's the link, I think.

http://www.vosizneias.com/54207/2010/04/28/iowa-court-documents-ex-mayor-of-postville-tried-to-extort-money-from-rubashkin

Hope you don't mind me answering a question directed to you, Brigade. Always a pleasure to have you on the board.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 28, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

We're not all nutjobs and rednecks in Florida. Crist will win with the support of centrist conservatives.

Posted by: shawncrisp2 | April 28, 2010 7:38 PM


Centrist conservative?? Is that like a pro-life democrat?

Posted by: SuzyCcup | April 28, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

logcabin1836


You comment at 7:59


Would you please explain what you mean by witch hunting Republicans.

There are a half a million illegal aliens in Arizona - hardly hunting witches.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 28, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I understand Crist may caucus with the Democrats in the Senate. It would serve the witch hunting Republicans right if this happened.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | April 28, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

First of all, he isn't going to caucus with anyone if he doesn't win the election.
If he wins and goes with the Democrats, that will just vindicate what the teabaggers have been saying about him all along.

Posted by: Brigade | April 28, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

@brigade - 37th insults anyone who deigns to disagree with it. Just let it slide.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 28, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, you dangled a tidbit at 6:52PM. Can you link to it? I would like to read that story. Thanks.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 28, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Crist will ending up being another Chris Dagget. Dagget polled in the 20% range up to the election and everyone thought that by splitting the republican vote, Corzine would get elected. Ha Ha! Didn't work that way. Dagget ended up getting just 5% of the vote, sending Corzine back home.

Rubio will easily win the Florida race with or without Crist. Crist is a sore loser with nowhere to go after November.

Posted by: SuzyCcup | April 28, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

HuffPo's reporting that Reid broke the filibuster on financial reform!!!!!!!
Harry! Harry! Harry!

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 28, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Broadwayjoe pasted,
"Already, the American Immigration Lawyers Association has decided to move its fall 2010 annual conference from Arizona to another state."

Who'd have ever thought this group would be upset? I'm curious to see how this plays out. If the people responsible for this bill didn't realize a lot of heat would come with it, then they're not very bright. Can they hold their mud? If the courts take them off the hook, they've got an excuse, but if they just back down they're really going to look lame.

Posted by: Brigade | April 28, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I understand Crist may caucus with the Democrats in the Senate. It would serve the witch hunting Republicans right if this happened.

Posted by: logcabin1836 | April 28, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Brigade


Apparently broadwayjoe's irrational hatred of white people comes from some incidents of being rejected.

I really can't explain all of his hatred.

But it is dripping.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 28, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


Everyone NOW wants to boycott San Francisco and everyone who is boycotting Arizona


Meanwhile, bookings TO ARIZONA - TO SUPPORT THE LAW ARE SOARING .


I guess your boycott is working.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 28, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

And NOW, for the Rubionics to contemplate: with Crist gone, when Marco gets indicted and decides that he needs out of the race, look who you are left with as a candidate: Bernie Castro!!!

But yah gets what yah pay for.

Posted by: ceflynline | April 28, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

ARYANIZONA, the boycott is officially ON!

From journalist Amy Goodman:

"Already, the American Immigration Lawyers Association has decided to move its fall 2010 annual conference from Arizona to another state. San Francisco Board of Supervisors member David Campos, saying that Arizona “with a stroke of a pen set the clock back on a generation of civil-rights gains,” is confident that his resolution calling for the city to boycott Arizona will pass. Similar city boycotts are being considered in Oakland, Calif., and El Paso, Texas. Sportswriter Dave Zirin is supporting a boycott of the Diamondbacks, Arizona’s major league baseball team.

Close to 30 percent of the Arizona population identifies itself as Hispanic. It was a boycott that eventually forced the state to recognize Martin Luther King Jr. Day. It is a shame that similar tactics are needed again."

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/boycotting_arizonas_racism_20100428/

BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT!

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 28, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

He needs to get rid of the filibuster via Senate rule changes as well, but one step at a time.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 28, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Never gonna happen. But you might be surprised at the things that get steered to reconciliation. What was outrageous when Republicans did it will be A-OK when
Harry and company does it.

Oh, by the way, Obama must have finally taken ole Harry to the woodshed. I see Harry's going to put climate change back at the top of the agenda. He almost blew the deal with Lindsey Graham, just like he blew the triggered public-option deal with Olympia Snowe. What a buffoon.

Posted by: Brigade | April 28, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

ddnfla, you're not making any sense.

Christie and Brown didn't win by waving the red cape at the voters, they practically concealed their party affiliations, and Brown appears to want to keep the job, so he's siding with the Democrats more than almost any other Republican in the Senate. A Pyrrhic victory for you guys.

But "southern white regional party" becomes more accurate every week. Republicans are losing support everywhere but the rural south. Acting like spoiled kids isn't helping, passing racist laws is hurting, and having no ideas or proposals to run on is damning.

And they call themselves "teabaggers" so get the hell over it.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 28, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

We're not all nutjobs and rednecks in Florida. Crist will win with the support of centrist conservatives.

Posted by: shawncrisp2 | April 28, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

dd, Reid's finally catching on. And even if he loses on financial reform, he wins--he can say the opposition blocked reform for the country and talk of all of the benefits we would have gotten had the bill not been blocked.

He needs to get rid of the filibuster via Senate rule changes as well, but one step at a time.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 28, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

To: DrainYou

Southern white regional party? Since when did N.J. and Mass. slip below the Mason/Dixon Line? Get yo'sef a new map. Wow..."teabaggers". Very clever play on words. Did you just make that up? You obviously pass for gifted in your circle of political cronies. Looking for more good times? Wait until November.

Posted by: ddnfla | April 28, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

And Republicans allow debate on FinReg (on the fourth try)

They know what Reid is trying to pull here. To have them go on the record again and again and again and again as being against FinReg. Slow, but they caught on.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 28, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't see this in the same sinister light as some of you. This is how legislation gets hammered out. There were things in this bill the Republicans wanted changed in committee. One or two things they got; others they didn't. One of their complaints was that the bill has a fairly broad sweep---it just doesn't deal with the big boys who caused the financial crisis. When there's a big enough sweep, you can always go back and carve out exemptions and special deals for the very folks you set out to regulate. You hope no one's the wiser, and you pick up a chunk of campaign cash while you're at it.

Once they voted for cloture, the Repubs lost leverage. Sure they can offer amendments, but most of what follows now is all hot air and gut wind. Then the bill gets passed.


Posted by: Brigade | April 28, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

noa, obviously I cosign. How do you not talk about the AZ racial profiling law that has dominated the news in the past few days? Avoidance of this story exposes Fix's agenda, if it wasn't already pretty obvious, see, e.g., Chip (Barack the Magic N-gro CD) Saltsman "good guy" shout out.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 28, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Great! Good decision Mr. Crist. Don't look back.

Posted by: johng1 | April 28, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Good.

Posted by: Sandydayl | April 28, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

37th wrote,
"broadwayjoe

I would call you a crybaby - but that doesn't begin to describe someone who hasn't gotten over his constant rejection by white women."

What's all this?

Posted by: Brigade | April 28, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

And Republicans allow debate on FinReg (on the fourth try)

They know what Reid is trying to pull here. To have them go on the record again and again and again and again as being against FinReg. Slow, but they caught on.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 28, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Was it my imagination..? Didn't I see the debate between Crist and Rubio on "Meet The Press" a few weeks ago during which Crist unequivocally proclaimed his intent to remain in the party and run his campaign as a Republican? Some polls show him ahead as an independent, but I'll bet once he switches he'll lose most Republican support and a large percent of the Independents. His honor is shot and his only hope of winning is Rubio's potential money issues becoming more serious. Crist should bow out and wait to run against Nelson. At least his honor and support would remain in tact. Now he can forget both. We've had enough of these politicians like Crist willing to do anything to remain in office...a national problem we're paying for now.

Posted by: ddnfla | April 28, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Of course CC isn't goping to say a word about the Arizona law, because there is no way to spin it as good news for Republicans. And creating an impression that Republicans are on the ascendant is what CC is all about. Report the news? Pshaw. Not all the news makes Republicans look good. We'll only hear what does, suitably massaged and filtered to reinforce that impression.

By any sane measure, the AZ law is much more important to the immediate electoral future then what banner Charlie Crist runs under.

Besides, the big problem with the AZ law is its racism, and we know how CC feels about bigots.

They're close to his heart.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 28, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe |

The democrats are HAPPY EVEN GLEEFUL to be able to portray NORMAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AS RACISM.

Does that just about describe it???

Anything for a racial incident - to try and rile up the population to distract them from OBAMA'S HIGH TAXES, MASSIVE SPENING AND TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICITS.


DemaGoGuery at its WORST.

Happy now?

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 28, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

broadwayjoe


I would call you a crybaby - but that doesn't begin to describe someone who hasn't gotten over his constant rejection by white women.

Whiner is probably more like it

Grumpy, obnoxious - Im looking for the right word.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 28, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

"This is great news!.....for Democrats.


Another perfect example of how the extreme Right-wing fringe has taken over the GOP and reduced it to a Southern white regional party.


Also, Marco Rubio has his racist teabagger Republican base ticked off at him with his announced support of Immigration reform and his not liking the new "show your papers" Arizona law..


Good times....

Posted by: DrainYou | April 28, 2010 6:14 PM"
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Totally co-sign your analysis. The lunatic baggers will turn on Rubio the same way they turned on Lindsey Graham, but for, er, different reasons, Google "William Gheen."

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 28, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Charlie has a backbone made of spaghetti. He will also do whatever he needs to do to make Charlie look good. He is a whimp and a half.
Yep, he made up his mind....again...but wait 'cause he'll change it again sometime soon as soon as it might get him something!!

Posted by: colleenfontenot | April 28, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I hope the voters of Florida do not reward this behavior. Conservatives would think more kindly about Crist in a future election if he kept his word about not running as an independent and supported Rubio. He might as well run as a Democrat after going back on his word because no true conservative will ever vote for him again.

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Maybe someone can explain to a simpleton like me where liesnthe virtue in sticking to one's previous positions, or to one's word, I guess, in the face of new and contradictory information.

Yeah Crist said he'd run as a Republican. Then comes new information: the GOP is engaged in an electoral suicide pact. Crist wants to be a Senator, not go down in flames in reverence to nutty ideology. So he changes his mind.

If conservatives see betrayal in this, maybe conservatives shouldn't hold public office. Because things do change.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 28, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Crist going indie. Add this development to the Arizona controversy, the bagger backlash on Graham, and the foolish GOP filibuster of financial reform legislation and it sounds like the basis for a GOP-in-trouble TRUE narrative.
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BTW, I won the bet with myself: total Fix avoidance of the Arizona racial profiling law controversy.

Headlines about it everywhere. Calls for a national boycott of what some now call "Aryanizona," including from the Mayor of San Francisco and...NYT's Linda Greenhouse. Gov. Brewer has disappeared in the polls overnight, totally disgraced as a bigot.

But from Fix on this issue...crickets. LOL.

Crist, Pawlenty, Phalin, Dan Coats (the "anti-Obama"), and free ad/mentions for Charlie (BHO's HCR equals GWB's Iraqi War) Cook, all day every day, yes. Coverage of Arizona story, not a chance.

Oh well.

Posted by: broadwayjoe | April 28, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I do not like the fundraising prospects for Crist on this one.

For Lieberman, he was already in the Senate.

Lieberman had other fundraising avenues -- AND the lobbyists in Washington had a track record with him, they knew what committees he was on.

Giving money to Lieberman, a Senator for many years, is different from giving money to Crist, who is not even a freshman yet with no seniority, and no one knows what committees he may be on.

The fundraising is dicey


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 28, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama is back to his RACIAL POLITICS


NOW who is the RACIST ????


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 28, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

If I remember correctly, Dem leadership actually supported Lieberman through the primary in 2006. Obama himself came up to stump for the guy. Lieberman made sure to return the favor two years later by stumping for McCain..., but yeah. The D voters of Connecticut dumped Lieberman, but the national D leadership has stuck with him time and time again such as his support for McCain as well as his support for the Iraq War (which I didn't like, but didn't piss me off nearly as much as his claim that to even debate the war was off limits and unpatriotic)

Posted by: DDAWD | April 28, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

I think voters look at the person not the party.


The real danger here is somehow Crist splits the vote, and allows Meek to win


OR THE REAL REAL DANGER is some WILDCARD DEMOCRAT shows up with a great deal of money and files on Friday.

We will have to see - however this could be a disaster.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 28, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Comrade_Zero wrote,
"Meanwhile, millions of Mexican-American, African-American, and poor white citizens have seen their wages fall because of competition from illegal aliens who will work for far less compensation."

This isn't just confined to border states. Obama was in the midwest so I've been focused on that area. From an article today by Grant Schulte:

"A former Postville mayor may have accepted cash payments from Agriprocessors executive Sholom Rubashkin while in office, or tried to extort money from the one-time eastern Iowa slaughterhouse chief, according to documents filed in federal court."

Robert Penrod was mayor of the town from 2006 until 2009.

"Penrod, in an interview this week, said he couldn't remember any exchange of money between himself and Rubashkin.
'It's been so long ago, I can't remember,' said Penrod, who was Postville's mayor when immigration agents raided Agriprocessors in May 2008."

So long ago. Just can't remember.

The plant was closed after the raid. Of course the owner was never charged with any crimes against humanity, but when it was discovered that he had swindled some bankers, he was convicted on 86 charges of financial fraud.

One unusual aspect of this case was that the company went far afield in search of slave labor. They imported some workers from an island somewhere in the south seas.
Why pay some blasted Mexican 25 cents an hour, when someone else will do the job for 10 cents an hour?

For anyone who's unaware, most of these slave labor camps will provide their "workers" with cover stories and fake documentation as long as they can keep a degree of separation between themselves and the documentation. I've always wondered why the crime rates rise in these communities. Can't people get by on 15 or 20 cents an hour anymore?

Posted by: Brigade | April 28, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

its about time this is the united states of america not the united political parties of america the party system is killing this country our reps dont vote whats good for thier state or district they vote along party lines and we all pay the price of a government that does nothing
go crist as an independant you can really represent florida!!!!!!!! oh and you party cronnies get ready there are now more independants now than either of your party schmartys and we are going to run you democratics and republicans out of town on a rail, christ your on the right track what we need is an independant president in 2012 why not?????????????

Posted by: franklin7 | April 28, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

As noted before, there are several parties that use Independent in their name.

As for loyalty, it was Rubio who declared that the Florida Republican party should dump its flag bearer because he wasn't nearly conservative enough for the rabid rights. Crist, quite conservative himself, was dumped from the party by the minority in what USED to be the big tent, in favor of a marginal right wannabee. Now Crist can stand for the moderates and progressives who haven't abandonned toe R's, till now. When the center most two thirds of the Republican Party, and the centermost third of the Democrats decide they are mostly centerists, he coasts to victory.

Actually, though, between the T's attacking Crist, Crist trying to disassociate himself from HIS pandering the T's, and Meek acting like a responsible adult, Meek is the better bet to go to Washington as Florida's junior Senator in January.

Loyalty, you see, works both ways, something the T's forget at their peril.

Posted by: ceflynline | April 28, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

From Transcript of Charlie Crist, Marco Rubio Debate on Fox News Sunday:

WALLACE: Well, I'm going to get -- I'm going to -- I'll give you an opportunity for a final statement. I just want to say, though, you are saying you are going to run in the Republican primary for the U.S. Senate. You will not run on the no party affiliation line.

CRIST: That's right. That's right. That's what I'm saying.


Nuff said.

Posted by: moebius22 | April 28, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I hope the voters of Florida do not reward this behavior. Conservatives would think more kindly about Crist in a future election if he kept his word about not running as an independent and supported Rubio. He might as well run as a Democrat after going back on his word because no true conservative will ever vote for him again.

Posted by: lashadow1 | April 28, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Excellent move. He finally realized that the party of no, is no place to be.

Posted by: joecoppo | April 28, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I think fifteen instances of the same post is a bit excessive

Posted by: Noacoler | April 28, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"The party of ideological cleansing has claimed another scalp. Keep making that tent smaller, GOP!"

Posted by: bpai_99 | April 28, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Sort of reminds me of the cleansing of 2000. Fellow by the name of Nader. Or the cleansing that made an independent of old Joe, the VP candidate of 2000. Lots funnier when the Republicans do it. Of course if this doesn't work out for Meek, maybe not so funny.

Posted by: Brigade | April 28, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

What a turncoat. What does his decision say about the man? He cares only for his career, not for the good of the people. Crist, there is no way in h@ll you will win.

Posted by: cperr57 | April 28, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

What a turncoat. What does his decision say about the man? He cares only for his career, not for the good of the people. Crist, there is no way in h@@l you will win.

Posted by: cperr57 | April 28, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

What a turncoat. What does his decision say about the man? He cares only for his career, not for the good of the people. Crist, there is no way in h@@l you will win.

Posted by: cperr57 | April 28, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

What a turncoat. What does his decision say about the man? He cares only for his career, not for the good of the people. Crist, there is no way in h@@l you will win.

Posted by: cperr57 | April 28, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

What a turncoat. What does his decision say about the man? He cares only for his career, not for the good of the people. Crist, there is no way in h@@l you will win.

Posted by: cperr57 | April 28, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

What a turncoat. What does his decision say about the man? He cares only for his career, not for the good of the people. Crist, there is no way in h@@l you will win.

Posted by: cperr57 | April 28, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

What a turncoat. What does his decision say about the man? He cares only for his career, not for the good of the people. Crist, there is no way in h@@l you will win.

Posted by: cperr57 | April 28, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

What a turncoat. What does his decision say about the man? He cares only for his career, not for the good of the people. Crist, there is no way in h@@l you will win.

Posted by: cperr57 | April 28, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

What a turncoat. What does his decision say about the man? He cares only for his career, not for the good of the people. Crist, there is no way in h@@l you will win.

Posted by: cperr57 | April 28, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

What a turncoat. What does his decision say about the man? He cares only for his career, not for the good of the people. Crist, there is no way in h@@l you will win.

Posted by: cperr57 | April 28, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

What a turncoat. What does his decision say about the man? He cares only for his career, not for the good of the people. Crist, there is no way in h@@l you will win.

Posted by: cperr57 | April 28, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

What a turncoat. What does his decision say about the man? He cares only for his career, not for the good of the people. Crist, there is no way in h@@l you will win.

Posted by: cperr57 | April 28, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

What a turncoat. What does his decision say about the man? He cares only for his career, not for the good of the people. Crist, there is no way in h@@l you will win.

Posted by: cperr57 | April 28, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

What a turncoat. What does his decision say about the man? He cares only for his career, not for the good of the people. Crist, there is no way in h@@l you will win.

Posted by: cperr57 | April 28, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

What a turncoat. What does his decision say about the man? He cares only for his career, not for the good of the people. Crist, there is no way in h@@l you will win.

Posted by: cperr57 | April 28, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

He doesn't have a strong record so I'm not so sure he will get far with this.

Posted by: 45upnorth | April 28, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Rubio is very careful not to get on tape speaking Spanish. Bet he claims to not even speak it.

Stll, only a matter of time before the baggers note that his first and last names both end in vowels.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 28, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I think Crist will win the election. Meeks is a weak Dem candidate lucky to get to 30%. The older Cuban population will go Rubio, but not the young, older voter looking at his medicare/social security cuts will not come out for him. I think many of those will go Crist along with moderate Dems giving Crist 35-40% of the vote which will be enough to win. Depending on how the GOP treats him in the race will decide whether he will caucus with them. Push too hard on RINO and traitor, he will bolt to the Dems.

Posted by: jameschirico | April 28, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

the Cuban vote aligned with the racist cracker vote... how about them apples.

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | April 28, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

This is great news!.....for Democrats.


Another perfect example of how the extreme Right-wing fringe has taken over the GOP and reduced it to a Southern white regional party.


Also, Marco Rubio has his racist teabagger Republican base ticked off at him with his announced support of Immigration reform and his not liking the new "show your papers" Arizona law..


Good times....

Posted by: DrainYou | April 28, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"Arizona Sheriff Clarence Dupnik of Pima county calls his states' new law stupid, disgusting, and racist and refuses to enforce it. This is a guy who's been cop for five decades."

The AZ law will not stand, but I do think America has to stop using its illegals for fun and profit at the same time it blames them for whatever pisses them off about people with colored skin.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 28, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

"has rode" a wave of adoration ?? Try "has ridden".

Posted by: WaPoViews | April 28, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Good for him! I hope Bob Bennett follows suit if he's primaried in Utah. Our political system is going too far in rewarding dogmatic obedience to the party line -- and in particular punishing politicians for even expressing a willingness to consider the ideas of others. It's as if we're self-selecting for the leaders least capable of leading.

Posted by: jeffwacker | April 28, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

From Transcript of Charlie Crist, Marco Rubio Debate on Fox News Sunday:

WALLACE: Well, I'm going to get -- I'm going to -- I'll give you an opportunity for a final statement. I just want to say, though, you are saying you are going to run in the Republican primary for the U.S. Senate. You will not run on the no party affiliation line.

CRIST: That's right. That's right. That's what I'm saying.

Posted by: moebius22 | April 28, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Good for him! I hope Bob Bennett follows suit if he's primaried in Utah. Our political system is going too far in rewarding dogmatic obedience to the party line -- and in particular punishing politicians for even expressing a willingness to consider the ideas of others. It's as if we're self-selecting for the leaders least capable of leading.

Posted by: jeffwacker | April 28, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Say it with me: "Senator Kendrick Meek."

Posted by: harlemboy | April 28, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

On the matter of equality, fairness, and compassion, it is even more problematic. Literally thousands of highly skilled would-be legal immigrants from Latin America, Africa, Asia, and Europe wait patiently while others cut in front and illegally obtain what others legally wait for — residence in the U.S. Meanwhile, millions of Mexican-American, African-American, and poor white citizens have seen their wages fall because of competition from illegal aliens who will work for far less compensation. It is a bit strange that those of the upper classes are outraged over Arizona without empathy for entry-level U.S. workers or lower-middle-class taxpayers who end up paying the most for illegal immigration. But then, those who express the most moral outrage often are the least sensitive to the moral questions involved.
-VDH

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 28, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

How can Govenor Crist switch parties to the Independent Party? There is no such thing. The headline was not worded properly. That aside, Govenor Crist shows no Honor or Loyalty in his decision. Some people want power no matter what it takes. Govenor Crist is only Loyal to himself.

Posted by: bobbo2 | April 28, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

For you Facebook users who are principled conservatives, join the new group:

Can this sack of crap with principles get more fans than Charlie Crist?

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=116923221661933

Posted by: chasehickman | April 28, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

You go get'm Charlie Crist!

Whether its fate...circumstance...whatever, I think you are being dealt a wining hand...I believe you will land on your feet (I hope).

Some incumbants looking at the polls and thinking about becoming independents.

GOOD LUCK!

Posted by: Vunderlutz | April 28, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Arizona Sheriff Clarence Dupnik of Pima county calls his states' new law stupid, disgusting, and racist and refuses to enforce it. This is a guy who's been cop for five decades. Huffington Post front page.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 28, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Well, it worked for Lieberman in Connecticut!

Posted by: TheNervousCat | April 28, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"has rode a wave of adoration"? Sure you mean "has ridden"?

Posted by: Leizerel | April 28, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

another Lieberman party Senator:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., appeared to back down on the conflict between himself and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., over the timing of clean energy and immigration. He told reporters Wednesday: “I’m going to move forward on energy first,” explaining that the legislation was mostly finished while the immigration bill had not yet been written. That was a condition that Graham, the only Republican backing the energy bill, had insisted on.

just how spinless is dingy Harry. Now a RINO is running things. Berry can't keep up with Palin's twitter to know what to load into his teleprompter. And the cover of capitol Magazine has an article on how much work Pelosi has had.

Liberals.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 28, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Good for him.

Posted by: justonevoice | April 28, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

From Transcript of Charlie Crist, Marco Rubio Debate on Fox News Sunday:

WALLACE: Well, I'm going to get -- I'm going to -- I'll give you an opportunity for a final statement. I just want to say, though, you are saying you are going to run in the Republican primary for the U.S. Senate. You will not run on the no party affiliation line.

CRIST: That's right. That's right. That's what I'm saying.

Posted by: moebius22 | April 28, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

The party of ideological cleansing has claimed another scalp. Keep making that tent smaller, GOP!

Posted by: bpai_99 | April 28, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

S#!t just got real.

Posted by: dkp01 | April 28, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

but he is still a worthless R regardless of his strateagery.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 28, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

ceflynline...I couldn't find it.
Please send me a note at liadjaafara@hotmail.com
Thank you.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 28, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

what an idiot. he's handing the election to the economic illiterate, flat earth, no-growth, Marxist (Democrat) by doing this. (e.g. Perot) Someone needs to get him to step down and stop being so selfish that he's willing to do this with the result being assisting in the "Fundamental Transformation" or "Fundamental Re-making" of what was the free United States of America, into United Communist States of Lenin...

Posted by: 50Eagle | April 28, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Crist has been a good governor (I am from Florida). There are many, many Independents who cannot vote in the primary, but who would vote for Crist in the general election. I think it is a shame that the Republican party has forced him to leave because of their "crazy" wing nuts...

ANYBODY BUT RUBIO!

Posted by: StayinCivil | April 28, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

OK, I'll take back HI. but the rest are within reach. Especially with Nelson and Leiberman right across the border. Hey guys, how about a Plum committee chair? come on over.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 28, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

wouldn't be surprised zouk if the GOP
won all 100 US Senate seats; zouk logic.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 28, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

It's the smart play. Florida's GOP is now exclusively comprised of mean spirited, know nothing, business first, neo fascists. Rubio is unelectable on a statewide basis. I'll love watching the conflicted emotions the tea baggers will have actually having to vote for a Hispanic. "eh, he ain't white, but he hates taxes and educatin".

Posted by: Itsrigged | April 28, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Good! The impotence of the tea-baggers will be felt once again.

Posted by: WhatHeSaid | April 28, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Forgot:
HI, CA, DE

Haha.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 28, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

There is no chance that Charlie Crist will play the spoiler against the Tea Party darling Rubio and open the door to Kendrick Meek. Meek is such a dark horse and Rubio is such a golden boy for the screaming, spitting Tea Baggers. The Tea Baggers are a mighty lock-stepping force of bigots who command so many votes.

Meek just couldn't possibly win in a three-way race. He has no chance. African Americans would never come out to deliver a smackdown to the racist Tea-Baggers and their stalking horse Rubio. There is no way that after all of the screaming, spitting and racist name-calling that the Tea Baggers could end up with egg on thier faces in Florida.

Posted by: DCSage | April 28, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"I love it when they go three wide at Daytona."

Nowadays, with the new car and its spoiler changes, you need four wide for things to start to get loose.

That said, I think Crist made the right choice. This is bad for Meek, obviously, very bad. Now the moderates have someone to vote for who is not Meek.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 28, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that scenario zouk

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

include NV, CO, MO, IL, KY, OH, NH, FL, LA, AR, NC, IN,

wow, it's going to be bloody. a slaughter.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 28, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"Chris, do you know who Crist would caucus with if he won the election?"

that should be the very first question the Fla media should ask him, likely a no comment answer.

Nelson and Lieberman are not going anywhere and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that scenario zouk, but in your case that would be quite fine.

Hopefully Fla will see right through this Lieberman false move and support Meek, the one candidate Fla voters can count on to causcus with the D Senators.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 28, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I'd bet that Rubio's "momentum" won't sustain. Not just his abuse of the Party credit card, that's small potatoes, but this is a weirdo teabagger with a heap of nutty ideas that voters haven't heard enough of yet. In six months he won't be so novel anymore.

@leichtman: co-sign on trusting Republicans, I wouldn't trust them with my lunch money. And no I don't think Crist would caucus with the Dems but he has the option of doing so. And he isn't Lieberman. Another guy I don't trust one bit.

Crist is a moderate. Republicans are purging moderates. To respond to being purged with undying loyalty would be stupid.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 28, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

This ends his national political ambitions. He's not a tea-party independent so he's isolating repubs and the tea party supporters hoping to appeal to moderate repubs (if any still exist in FL) to back him. He could've waiter 2 yrs for another Senate run, but impatience may ruin it all for him.

Posted by: NoWeCant | April 28, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

There are at least a couple organized Independent parties out there, so Crist COULD switch parties and become an independent.

Could Lieberman, Crist, and whatever other RINOs or Dems pushed out of their party but elected anyway form a third caucus and bargain for positions in the next Senate?

Posted by: ceflynline | April 28, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

The numbers right now probably fail to properly account for Meek, who is doing what any sane, unopposed, candidate does, collect his contributions for the primary he doesn't have to run, and wait till after the primary, when he gets to do it all over again, to start spending it.

Best indicator that Crist or meek is the man is that Zouk in his latest avatar is proud of Rubio.

Posted by: ceflynline | April 28, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Chris, do you know who Crist would caucus with if he won the election?

Posted by: Muckrakers | April 28, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

How is becoming an independent "switching parties"? Anyway, Crist is a good man and if he feels that adamant he should run....but Rubio is still going to win the senate seat rather easily.

Posted by: Realist20 | April 28, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

He's not switching parties. He's becoming independent. I'd expect the Post to know bet- oh, it's Cillizza.

Posted by: Ralphinjersey | April 28, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"It'd be pretty slick if Crist won ... and caucused with the Democrats"

why in the world should anyone in Fla. expect that?

sorry I don't trust any R right now after the nonsense we have seen from Collins and Snowe over the HC and BR bills and would never vote for any of them if I lived in Fla.
If by some quirk Rs take back the Senate which is very unlikely, does anyone not think that both Crist and Lieberman would go hat and hand crawling back to McConnell begging for a committee assignment.
I truly hope that Fla D voters fully understand that.

Posted by: leichtman1 | April 28, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

The curse of American politics. Lobbyist,political donations, buying power in a "for sale democracy." What happened to "for the people , by the people"? And we try to force American democracy on foreign countries, we see corruption in them, as with our own system. Politicians,sound bites, and money determine outcomes. Charlie Crists listening to the people of Florida bucks the republican agenda. I will vote for Charlie however he runs. The Bush boys and cronies were deprived of profits from there text book companies and educational software companies, by trying to short money to the Florida educatonal system. The buck stopped with Charlie Crist vetoe, thankyou Charlie. tr

Posted by: roosboys | April 28, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

This looks like a trend, Republicans shedding their good people and replacing them with Tea Bag Psychos.

Posted by: lindalovejones | April 28, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I agree with _270Exit1 below, if Crist leaves the Republican party, he will go to independent, or 'no party affiliation' (NPA). Thus, the title of this story is poorly chosen because he is not going to "switch parties" (e.g., to dem), but rather, leaving his repub. party to be non-affiliated.

Posted by: DigDug1 | April 28, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I figure a weak kneed RINO like Crist will probably pull more votes away from the wimpy liberal in a state like Florida, except that cranky old Al gore district. this will further diminish the Dem candidate who is behind both Repubs/Party of Leibermann. rubio will squeak it out with an embarrassing finish for the Lib.

Crist will go into hiding before releasing a book shortly after.

the other party of Lieberman candidate, Benedict Arlen, will lose and retire in ignominy. Nelson will switch parties and Lieberman will vote the 51st.

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 28, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Run, Charlie, run! One way out of the gridlock in DC is to have more independents in Congress who are not indebted to one party or the other. If I lived in Florida, I'd vote for you!

Posted by: acboatman | April 28, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Gov. Crist!! If the Repubs want to move to the right (like they're doing in AZ) let them. They can go the way of the Whigs. Most Americans live in the center.

Posted by: steveinva | April 28, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I-270 exit 1. That's Democracy Blvd, right? I like, I like.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 28, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

From what you've written, CC, it appears the GOP left Crist for a new lover, who of course is Marco Rubio. So Crist runs as an Independent and is seemingly the instant darling of a left that has not yet gotten on board with Meeks. I wouldn't be surprised if Crist gets an infusion of cash in the days and weeks ahead.

Posted by: Kelly14 | April 28, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

It'd be pretty slick if Crist won ... and caucused with the Democrats.

With a choice between a sturdy ship and a sinking one, the sturdy one is the right choice.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 28, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

good

Posted by: John1263 | April 28, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't get the fascination with this guy.

Senate race bin Florida. Election over six months away. Two blog entries in one day.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 28, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

didn't I see a poll that said a three way race would result in Rubio, Crist, some Lib in that order? simply put, a Lib can't even win when the Repubs split the race in three.

however, In Hawaii, the Libs are about to lose for this same reason. they can't seem to do anything right.

Poor spineless Harry is an utter failure again. Is anyone still surprised?

Posted by: Comrade_Zero | April 28, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Is there an Independent Party to which Crist will "switch?"

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | April 28, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I love it when they go three wide at Daytona.

Now the question is will folks like Bloomberg or Liebermann endorse Crist? Or maybe even McCain?

Posted by: AndyR3 | April 28, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

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