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Does John Ensign cloud Republicans' ethics argument?



Is John Ensign headed toward an indictment? Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images

The news out of Nevada that the Justice Department may be moving toward an indictment of Sen. John Ensign (R) could well cloud Republicans' attempt to use ethics as a cudgel against Democrats, according to several top GOP strategists.

Ensign, according to Fix friend and Nevada's top political reporter Jon Ralston, is likely to be brought up on charges of "structuring" -- the process of purposely evading disclosure requirements -- in regards to $96,000 that was paid to his mistress by his parents(!).

If an Ensign indictment is handed down, it would be the second serious allegation against a Republican elected official in recent weeks -- coming hard on the heels of the House Ethics Committee report that called into question former Rep. Nathan Deal's earnings outside of Congress (Deal is running for governor of Georgia.).

Those twin problems would almost certainly mitigate the political damage that the current ethics problems surrounding Democrats -- former Rep. Eric Massa (N.Y.), Rep. Charlie Rangel (N.Y.) and New York Gov. David Paterson to name three -- could cause at the ballot box.

"Ensign's problems seriously dilute the anti-corruption message," said Vin Weber, a former Republican congressman from Minnesota. "Having said that, a general sense of disgust with Washington will feed anti-incumbency and anti-incumbency is rarely indiscriminate."

Another senior Republican operative who was granted anonymity to speak candidly echoed Weber's sentiment. "Swing voters and independents believe that both parties have ethical problems," said the source.

The source added that the ongoing ethics morass is less partisan in nature than it is a political insider versus political outsider dynamic.

"Republicans hold the high cards on message for this fall but ethics is not one of those high cards," the source noted. "The combination of Ensign, [Mark] Sanford, [David] Vitter, [Larry] Craig and [Jim] Gibbons is every bit as powerful as Rangel, Paterson and [John] Edwards."

Independent polling bears out the "pox on both your houses" sentiment in regards Congressional ethics.

A Pew poll in March showed 31 percent said Democrats had "higher moral and ethical standards" while 29 percent said Republicans were the more ethical party and 22 percent chose the "neither" option.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation also in the field last month produced similar results. Forty six percent said Republicans in Congress were ethical while 51 percent said they were unethical; Democrats fared similarly with 47 percent of the sample describing the party as ethical and 49 percent calling it unethical.

With neither party holding the high ground on ethics in Congress, any attempt by Republicans to build a national campaign around the issue -- particularly with data that suggests distrust of Democrats on things like the economy and health care -- would seem to be a fool's errand.

Back in 2006, Democrats clearly received a political bump from the scandal surrounding former Rep. Mark Foley (R) but is there any doubt that the party was headed to significant gains before the Foley story broke? (The true effect of the Foley scandal was to further depress Republican base turnout, not to drive already dissatisfied independents away from the GOP.)

Timing is everything when it comes to ethics problems for a political party. Foley mattered because it happened so close to an election and drew widespread national coverage. Could something like that happen for Republicans this fall? It could. But, it would be unwise -- given the decidedly spotty track record of both parties on ethics matter -- to spend too much time banking on a clear electoral win on the issue.

By Chris Cillizza  |  April 5, 2010; 3:42 PM ET
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"Nothing anyone else does mitigates what Rangel is alleged to have done. He is the freaking Chair of Ways and Means."

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So where does bribery fall, "hush" money in the form of cash payments to an entire family to keep them quiet, sexual discrimination, etc. fall in your book of ethics? The parents paid almost $100K to silence an entire family to not go public for their precious son's sexual dalliances. It's disgusting, egregious and out of of control. The feds are wise to investigate this man and his family. So it's ok when Republicans do these things, but it's not ok when Democrats do them? You're a lunatic!

Posted by: gr8bigguy | April 12, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse


Ensign phukced some fine lickety slit and came in that blond christian hair

a true moral leader in the nation

Posted by: lichtme | April 8, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Ethical Congress is an oxymoron. Corruption is one of the few things in Congress that is bipartisan. What clouds ethics arguments is Congress! Vote them all out and push for the Fair Tax Bill. It may actually save the Republic.

Posted by: vitaglubet | April 6, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

For the people mentioned above, not all of them will be big issues by election day. An example is Georgia Rep. Deal, he will lose the R primary for Governor as either St. Insurance Comm. Oxendine or Sec. of State Handel will win that one. I think Handel will ultimately win the primary even though Oxendine is leading now b/c Handel will be able to tout the endorsement of Gov. Purdue, a powerful thing in Georgia Republican politics. It would be nice if Ensign would resign in the beginning of 2011, as that would allow likely Governor Sandoval to appoint a new Republican Senator to serve until 2012 when that seat will be up for reelection. Gibbons will be gone at that point after losing an R primary, Sanford's term will be up and he will no longer be on the ballot and Graig is already gone. In SC, Democrats do hold the ethics card however, as they can play that against Republicans in 2010 before Sanford leaves office. In Nevada, Democrats hold ethics card with Gibbons and Ensign, but Gibbons will lose the R primary to judge Sandoval and that will weaken their ethics hand in Nevada. Plus, in this anti-incumbent year, Republicans hold the anti-Washington hand and their Democrat, Senator Reid, is mr. Washington himself. A bad place for Dems. In Ill., for example, Republicans hold major ethics cards. US Rep. Mark Kirk holds a major card against his Senate opponent, state Treasurer Giannoulias and the Gov. nominee, Blago's Lt. Gov. Quinn. The ethics hand will work for Republicans in Ill. for example. On ethics, I would say all politics are local and people are going to respond most to what they see and hear locally, unless it's the President or something like that.

Posted by: reason5 | April 6, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Does John Ensign cloud Republicans' ethics argument?

Is water wet?

Posted by: beachykeen02 | April 6, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

considering his position as head of the committee that writes tax legislation, the long history of his tax evasion and other abuses, and the fact that another cheater occupies a significant position of financial responsibility in the obama administration (Tim Geithner), the ethics problems appear systematic.

in comparison, ensign (an isolated indiscretion only tangentially related to the job duties of a relatively powerless senator) is one of those "barney frank has a male prostitute ring being run out of his basement" kind of things which is disturbing but hardly shapes the electorates view of a party.

Posted by: dummypants | April 6, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I see the right-wing-nuts are launching a preemptive barrage of "it's the Democrats' fault" comments to divert the discussion from ethics to any other topic that sounds good when presented in catchy sound-bites at a Sarah Palin Rally-Book-Signing-Self-Promotion-Gee-Look-At-Me event. The bottom line is the GOP has some really bad actors in its midst and is not in a position to try to hold itself out as the "more ethical party, the more Christian party, the party of the ordinary guy", or anything else like that. Ensign is just some rich dude, son of a wealthy casino-owning family who probably out-spent his way into office and then abused the power and trust vested in him by the voters. Idle hands are the devil's workshop, and this guy apparently had a lot of spare time to b@ng his friend's wife.

Posted by: JBGJRESQ | April 6, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

James10:

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you.

I'm with you about the parties, their behavior and the unfortunate way in which the public reacts. It seems that the Democrats and Republicans take turns holding us down while they have their way with us and the only thing we can think to do is cheer on one or the other.

I hope you're wrong about the chance of political violence but neither would I be surprised if it comes to pass. It is up to the people of goodwill of all political stripes to head off that scenario. If we can educate enough of our fellow citizen and convince them to put the long-term good of the Republic ahead of their short-term party and personal interests, then we can still save things.

All of us, left, right and center, should be able to agree that we deserve good and honest government even if we can't always agree as to what exactly that government should do. It probably is singing Kumbaya to hope for such a popular rejection of this plague of corruption and hyper-partisanship but if enough people are starting to catch on to the two-party dictatorship and its nonsense to make a difference and take that sentiment to the polls, there's still a chance.

Posted by: andrew23boyle | April 6, 2010 6:57 AM | Report abuse

imd3 wrote:
Jobs is the issue, the only issue. Where are the jobs Stupid Party??? Where are the jobs???

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They are right where the Repubicans put them. Outside the United States so they could make more profit on product sold to you. Your wonderful Repubicans would love to claim they created more jobs, but unfortunately, the jobs they would create would just be more in China, India, and the rest of SouthEast Asia. Now do you understand where the jobs are? QUit yammering and let your Repubican masters know you don't like it.

Posted by: swatkins1 | April 6, 2010 6:09 AM | Report abuse

Mr Cillizza

Even for you, this article is astonishing. You quote no one, no one, but Republican strategists.

You granted them anonymit. Why ? My understanding is that you are required to justify granting anonymity. I think this article absolutely violates official Washington Post Policy.

Astonishnly the article doesn't even mention the headline news directly above it -- the RNC expence account imbroglio. This has been in the news for days now. Somehow you have decided to pretend that it has no relevance to questions about the ethics of Republicans. No sane person could possibly believe that.

I think this is the supreme unsurpassable example of your genre -- ballance -- that is ignoring reality in order to conclude that Republicans and Democrats are similarly crooked. I don't think that even you can outdo this effort.

Having achieved your apparent lifetime goal as a journalist, I think you should look into some other line of work.

Posted by: rjw88 | April 6, 2010 5:59 AM | Report abuse

republicons want to end Social Security, Meicare, and Medicaide. In other words, they want to pull the plug on Grandma. Every Grandma. And Grandpa too. And uncles and Aunts and all old people.

Ensign is a tool. He should go to jail. The REAL ethical scandal is that the conservative party wants to destroy the fabic of American society, condemn the elderly to lives of miserable abject poverty, create an educational system where the kids of the rich get educated and everyone else can go to hail, and they want corporations to even more thoroughly rule the nation without rcouse or fear of retribution when hey harm or kill us.

THAT is scandal. A sexual dalliance? Who cares? Maybe his wife should have played a little more flute....

Posted by: John1263 | April 6, 2010 5:35 AM | Report abuse

A Republican claim on ethics? Really, Chris? Really? Are you really forgetting all the recent Republican sex scandals, some involving young House pages? Are you really forgetting Halliburton? Blackwater? Enron's cozy relationship to GWB? Are you forgetting about Duke Cunningham? Diaper Dave? Really?

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Save it. Cillizza is a loyal Republican, in the ugliest sense of the word.

Posted by: Noacoler | April 6, 2010 5:28 AM | Report abuse

If you voted for Obama, it's YOUR FAULT.

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Posted by: 37thand0street
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Thank you. Your spacing is innovative. Now stop foaming at the mouth. 'Baggers aren't violent...yet. Just dumb as a box of rocks. In other words, still dangerous.

Posted by: st50taw | April 6, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

The title made me laugh. The GOP has a far worse ethical problem because they keep running their mouths about ethics and then falling on their swords.

Jeez, Cillizza. Just because because they talk a lot about about ethics (for lack of any substance) doesn't mean you have to give them any credit for it.

Posted by: st50taw | April 6, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Obama has DECIDED TO JAM A PROGRAM DOWN THE THROATS OF AMERICANS - A PROGRAM THEY DO NOT WANT - AND DECIDED TO CALL THEM ALL RACISTS AT THE END OF IT.


Is this your version of post-racial politics ???


Martin Luther King would be ASHAMED OF OBAMA.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to be too graphic about this - however in the week that Obama and the democrats accused the tea party movement of being racist and violent, this is how the black community responded:


1) A shooting in DC a few blocks from the Capitol - in which 9 people were shot - 4 killed.


2) A triple shooting in Chicago in which shots were heard a few blocks away during a police news conference.


3) 50 people were arrested after 4 people were shot in mid-town New York http://wcbstv.com/local/midtown.manhattan.gunfire.2.1611605.html


NOW - WHO IS THE VIOLENT GROUP?


With the tea party movement, not one bad word was caught on tape -


WHO IS THE VIOLENT GROUP ????


This is the problem with Obama's intimidation politics - it is an absolute joke.


All to distract you from the LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY WHICH WILL DRAG DOWN THE ECONOMY - AND SLOW HIRING.

If you voted for Obama, it's YOUR FAULT.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

jimd3 wrote:

Nobody outside of the beltway gives a s*** about this Stupid Party talking point hit piece. Jobs is the issue, the only issue. Where are the jobs Stupid Party??? Where are the jobs???
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They are in China and India, where the rotten traitor Republicans outsourced them. There will be plenty of jobs here though, when Americans agree to work for 50 cents an hour, just like the Asians. Then they will be happy, the business owners and the stockholders. Then the next step will be to get the workers' kids into the factories, and you gotta start them off early, say around ages 5 or 6, just like in the old days. How pleased they will be, all the slimy bàstards who yammer and complain about the unions and anybody who wants decent working conditions and wages for Americans. If I could, I would crush these right-wing feckers.

Posted by: RichardHode | April 5, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

James 10 - sounds like we agree. I also think that race by race each party will attack the other. In that context, it will have some effect.

I too am old enough to remember more pacific relations between parties who thought of each other as the loyal opposition. I also remember other times when Rs accused Ds and other Rs of treason. That was in the early 50s. This is not a good place for a major party to be. This is not a good place for the nation to be. It was wrenching the last time.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 5, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

A Republican claim on ethics? Really, Chris? Really? Are you really forgetting all the recent Republican sex scandals, some involving young House pages? Are you really forgetting Halliburton? Blackwater? Enron's cozy relationship to GWB? Are you forgetting about Duke Cunningham? Diaper Dave? Really? There isn't space here to list the sorry mess of corruption, sleaze and self-enrichment we've seen from the Republican Party, even if we just look at the period from 2000 to the present. Now you think that John Ensign is going to tarnish the party's sterling reputation? Really?

Posted by: BluGrass | April 5, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Republicans and ethics? Ha, what a joke. Lied us to war, talk balanced budget when Dems are in office then double the debt when Bush and Reagan are in office, are antiabortion during campaigns then do NOTHING when in power. Money hungrey liars who are Of the Rich, By the Rich, and For the Rich, nothing else.

Posted by: chucky-el | April 5, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

To andrew ...

I didn't mean that your post was suggesting kumbaya ... it was a general statement.

I think there was a time when the parties were willing to work together. It's gone now. Maybe it wouldn't be as obvious if I was 20 years younger and unaware there was a time when they did work together.

Posted by: James10 | April 5, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse


If events like this are a "Complication for GOP on ethics" they should be used to these complications by now!

Don't you think?

Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | April 5, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

If ensign would have just fessed up, went with the mistress, and called it like it is there would be no actual scandal. Except among those who live in glass houses. But when he started using bribes to shut the mistress up....then he turned from a man who was looking for what men always are looking for into a criminal.

Posted by: John1263 | April 5, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

November is coming, my friends. HEADS MUST ROLL!!

Posted by: andrew23boyle

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The electorate picked everyone that is an incumbent. What rationale do you have that the electorate will do any better in November. [It doesn't necessarily follow that someone different is someone better.]

IMO, the large majority of the electorate picks on who has the better bumper stickers.
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Good to see you!

I understand your frustration but there is no point in despair. I doubt things will improve but I know the only way that that even has a chance of happening is if every citizen who is sick and tired of this corruption and graft quits making excuses for his or her own side, demands the criminals be called to account and does everything in his or her power to convince his or her fellow citizens to do the same.

I don't know if it WILL work, but it's the only thing that has a chance.

Posted by: andrew23boyle

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Nice to see you as well. I'm not in despair. Just accepting of the reality around me. There isn't the slightest hint that the electorate can pick a candidate better today than it could last year. Nor is there any evidence that the electorate even takes any responsibility for having elected the people that are in office.

I know how to run a campaign, I'm against waste, fraud and abuse; I'm for American values/Family Values/Your Values; I'm for smaller government and keeping government out of your lives, I'm for transparency and I promise to return ethics and morals to whatever position I'm running for and my opponent is against everything that decent human beings stand for. [Obviously, I'm not speaking to non-decent human beings.]

I say whatever the crowd wants to hear. I don't even have to be consistent between whistle stops.

There was an interesting survey done in Tennessee. I think it was the Bush v. Gore race. People were polled on various positions they held and then asked which candidate held that position. Interestingly, whatever the person thought was the right position is the position that they thought their candidate held. There were wrong as often as right.

The whole notion of term limits conveys: "I can't be trusted to vote for the right candidate, so let's make sure he/she doesn't stay too long where he/she is or isn't. Don't hold me responsible for knowing whether my representative is doing a good job."

And while the public is sick to death of partisanship, the parties jump on that by accusing the other party of being guilty of being partisan. And the electorate joins right in.

You can hope that we'll all start singing kumbaya, but I think it's a lot more likely that we'll start seeing assassinations.

Either party has too much power. Even the minority party has too much power in a two party system. We would be better off with a half dozen viable parties where people would be forced to negotiate. But that doesn't seem likely either.

Posted by: James10 | April 5, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

The main thing is to toss out the rascals. At least Ms. Pelosi took away Mr. Rangel's chairmanship. Mr. Massa resigned.

If Democrats protect the public from thieves, the public will reelect them. The key is to remember that there will always be a proportion of persons on your side who are crooks.

Maybe Grassley should take a few Democrats with him and form an anti-thief party.

Posted by: Martial | April 5, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

To the author: You wish.

Posted by: aaaaaaaa | April 5, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse


Seems to me the ethics issue is going to be of equal, therefore little, significance to either major party. There is always a "throw the bums out!" outcry, and the voters always respond with "except for OUR congress member" (and the pork he/she brought home).


Posted by: dotellen | April 5, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Will it cloud the GOP claim anymore than Charlie Rangel will cloud the democrats for not paying taxes on his home in the tropics and not declaring income etc. while Pelosi claimed she would rid the swamp? If you want to say that republican crooks are worse than democratic crooks then fine, but to me a crook is a crook no matter what letter - D or R comes after their name.

Posted by: justmyvoice | April 5, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

This is what DOJ is doing?

Chasing 100K of private funds used to blanket hankey pankey.

HELLO DOJ. What about 750 BILLION dollars in illegal gifts of public moneys called TARP. The TARP legislation was even drafted illegally to require non-accounting of taxpayer money given away to friends of Henry.

OR how about the billions that credit card companies are stealing from their customers in off the contract fees and interest rate hikes.

Is anyone defending the American Taxpayer?

God help us.

Posted by: bgsrps | April 5, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Just play the tape of Randy "Duke Cunningham crying like a baby. WWahhhh

Posted by: jerseydevil | April 5, 2010 7:38 PM

Maybe that's what got his sentence for taking $2.4 million in bribes cut to 8 years and 4 months.

William Jefferson got 13 years for taking $500,000 in bribes.

Posted by: James10 | April 5, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

this is why the Dems are going to be slaughtered in the 2010 and 2012 elections - the Dems are not only corrupt, they are also inept.

No wonder the Dems are getting killed in the polls!

Posted by: Realist20

Realist20 predicted a HUGE McCain-Palin win in 2008. I wouldn't be surprised if he's still predicting it.

I think I'll find a bookie and bet the farm on Reaslist20's picks for 2010 and 2012.

Posted by: James10 | April 5, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Yet Charlie Rangel remains in office, no charges against him......this is why the Dems are going to be slaughtered in the 2010 and 2012 elections - the Dems are not only corrupt, they are also inept.

No wonder the Dems are getting killed in the polls!

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Inept ? Inept in what way? Are you trying to say that the problems this country has began on Jan. 20, 2009? Are you saying that the country under the leadership of President Obama improving, slowly but surely is inept? The stock market going up, up, up. No longer losing 700,000 jobs a month. No longer teetering on the verge of a depression. All the experts saying that the country's financial situation is improving and is doing so because of President Obama's policies. WOW !! I would sure hate to see what shape our country would be in if we continued to follow the Republican policies.

Polls, are you talking about the polls that Republicans said didn't matter throughout Bush's reign? Or are you talking about the polls that Republicans say don't matter unless they say something Republicans want to hear? Or might you be talking about the polls that Republicans loved to ridicule Clinton for paying too much attention to?

I would be curious to hear how you would rate the eight years of Republican policies and Bush/Cheney leadership. While you're at it can you tell the unenlightened American people what Republican policies have done for this country? What have Republicans done for our country lately?

Posted by: catmomtx | April 5, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

QUOTE OF THE WEEK

"I'm not a retweeter, I'm a reporter.


- Mark Knoller from CBS on whether he forwards Robert Gibbs' tweets.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Republicans got ethics?

Posted by: Watcher1 | April 5, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Al we can hope is that this indictment actually exposes the way the Family operates in the Senate and the House.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | April 5, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Out with the old, in with the new. Vote the bums out. Get new bums.

Posted by: logicprevails | April 5, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

doesn't it shame you that you can't even link to a Washington Post substantive article about this scandal? A US Senator is going to be indicted - and rather inform its readers about what is actually going on, all the Post can talk about is how this affects Republicans vs Democrats.

wouldn't it be awesome if the Washington Post actually treated its readers as people who actually want to get the NEWS instead of just providing inside baseball political speculation that basically allows the Post to engage in Republican talking points.

Posted by: hohandy1 | April 5, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Can The Family quash Ensign's indictment? Enquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: nicekid | April 5, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse


Obviously when Obama threw out the pitch today, the ball went far to the left.


We all knew that would happen.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Earth to Stupid Party: Unemployment is almost 10% and will be indefinately. Underemployment is now over 20%!!! And by the way, blaming Bush doesn't work anymore. Unemployment was less than 8% when he left office.

Nobody outside of the beltway gives a s*** about this Stupid Party talking point hit piece. Jobs is the issue, the only issue. Where are the jobs Stupid Party??? Where are the jobs???

Posted by: jimd3 | April 5, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Just play the tape of Randy "Duke Cunningham crying like a baby. WWahhhh

Posted by: jerseydevil | April 5, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Give both of them a fair trial before you convict them.
I for one would pay good money to hear Ensign explain his side of the tale and maybe we can bring Coburn in for laughs.

Posted by: ottokar | April 5, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Rule 32.f: The RNC will not reimburse expenses incurred in or around lesbian-themed bondage nightclubs without prior approval.
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bwaaahahaha!

Maybe they can get David "Diaper" Vitter the hooker-and-man-crib-loving Senator from Louisiana, to take the Young Eagles to a sex club that specializes in infantilism next?

They can all wear big man-bonnets and fight over the binky!

Posted by: losthorizon10 | April 5, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans claiming to have greater ethics is like a gang stating that they represent peace.

Posted by: revbookburn | April 5, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

From the Las Vegas Sun:

Structuring is a broad term that refers to the crime of creating financial transactions to evade reporting requirements — for example, a $96,000 payment to your mistress laundered through a trust controlled by your parents and calling it a “gift” instead of what it obviously was: a severance payment that had to be reported.

That the feds are looking at structuring as a possible crime will not surprise many old hands who have watched the sordid Ensign saga play out, morphing from a fairly grotesque he-slept-with-his-best-friend’s-wife-who-was-also-his-wife’s-best-friend story to a fantastically creepy tale of a senator trying to keep the cuckolded husband quiet by any means necessary, including, perhaps, structuring transactions with businesses in exchange for campaign contributions.
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Another GOP 'family values' hypocrite gets caught!

They're going to have to set up an entire wing of a federal prison for these Republican crooks!

Posted by: losthorizon10 | April 5, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Yes Rangel is a good example of corruption in politics. How many negative articles has Cizzilla written about that goon?

Posted by: 12oreo | April 5, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Hang ALL of the guilty from whatever Party (PSSST! Its really the SAME Party. The recent HC vote exposed that it is composed of Left Progressives and Right Conservatives. None of the Right voted for HC.)

Since when does a Dim FRAUD offset a ReBoob infidelity? Has Justice's SCALES been replaced by a CELL PHONE?

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Posted by: dumpbama | April 5, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

James 10 asked me:
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To: mark_in_austin

"Does John Ensign cloud Republicans' ethics argument?"

Just answer the dang question, yes or no.
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The argument that Rangel is the biggest crook serving is still available to Rs, while the argument that all Ds are crooks is still false.

Similarly the argument that Ensign is a big crook will apparently be available to Ds, while the argument that all Rs are crooks is still false.

At least this seems obvious to me. James 10, what do you think? Are you someone who makes lists of misbehaving legislators and keeps score? It is actually a fact that the proportion of American legislators this decade who have been indicted exceeds the % of the general public who have been indicted.
Forced to defend that statement I would have to go find my source again, but I am quite sure this is true.

Again, the argument that a crook is a crook is always available, and valid; the argument that there are too many crooks on the other side is also always available, but the conclusion that the other side is crooked was false last year, is false now, and will be false next year, or so I believe.

Posted by: mark_in_austin

I certainly didn't say all Rs are crooks, neither are all Ds crooks. I would even agree with your "No". Ensigns indictment won't have any negative effect the Rs claim to ethics high ground. Any more than Larry Craig getting his sex in airport restrooms or Duke Cunningham taking $2.4 million in bribes.

The Rs will keep on chirping how ethical they are. It doesn't matter what the stats are.

No, I don't keep a list, though there are some available on the web ... but then there's the issue of what constitutes proof of corruptness? Your opinion or my opinion? I would hope neither would be considered valid. Judicial watch's opinion? How about a list of convicted politicians?

Posted by: James10 | April 5, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Why waste any more time or money on this scoundrel?! Talk about stupid! Throw him out and get something done.

Posted by: sharronkm | April 5, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

November is coming, my friends. HEADS MUST ROLL!!

Posted by: andrew23boyle

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The electorate picked everyone that is an incumbent. What rationale do you have that the electorate will do any better in November. [It doesn't necessarily follow that someone different is someone better.]

IMO, the large majority of the electorate picks on who has the better bumper stickers.
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Good to see you!

I understand your frustration but there is no point in despair. I doubt things will improve but I know the only way that that even has a chance of happening is if every citizen who is sick and tired of this corruption and graft quits making excuses for his or her own side, demands the criminals be called to account and does everything in his or her power to convince his or her fellow citizens to do the same.

I don't know if it WILL work, but it's the only thing that has a chance.

Posted by: andrew23boyle | April 5, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Whenever dealing with any Republic Party of No terrorist supporter, always presume that they:

a. hate America;

b. want to export US jobs overseas to their comrades; and

c. are corrupt.

You'll always be correct.

Every. Single. Time.

Posted by: WillSeattle | April 5, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Gee, another racist right wing Republican going down on criminal charges. Stop the presses.

Posted by: vztownes | April 5, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Yet Charlie Rangel remains in office, no charges against him......this is why the Dems are going to be slaughtered in the 2010 and 2012 elections - the Dems are not only corrupt, they are also inept.

No wonder the Dems are getting killed in the polls!

Posted by: Realist20 | April 5, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

The republicans always want to go after someone for their moral values being the values party that they are.
They have to have something to talk about as they obviously have nothing to say but "no" about running the country.

Posted by: ottokar | April 5, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Insinuating that a Democrat or a Republican is more ethical than the other is like saying that a person who lives in the city is more honest than a suburbanite or vice versa. The whole argument is political, transparent and goes beyond ridiculous, whether from Republicans, Democrats, The LA Times, CNN, Fox News, The Washington Post, NBC, CBS, ABC, The New York Post, The New York Times...you get the idea.

People are really becoming quite tired of the whole thing.

Posted by: JAH3 | April 5, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Does John Ensign cloud Republicans' ethics argument?


Ethics is the First thing you have to give up, when you join the Republican Party.

The next thing you have to give up is your SOUL.

Posted by: austininc4 | April 5, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

My favorite part of this whole sordid story is that Ensign, Coburn, et al, lived together in a house where they prayed together. Obviously not everyone was praying to the same God for the same things!

Posted by: philasportsphan | April 5, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

James 10 asked me:
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To: mark_in_austin

"Does John Ensign cloud Republicans' ethics argument?"

Just answer the dang question, yes or no.
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No.
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The argument that Rangel is the biggest crook serving is still available to Rs, while the argument that all Ds are crooks is still false.

Similarly the argument that Ensign is a big crook will apparently be available to Ds, while the argument that all Rs are crooks is still false.

At least this seems obvious to me. James 10, what do you think? Are you someone who makes lists of misbehaving legislators and keeps score? It is actually a fact that the proportion of American legislators this decade who have been indicted exceeds the % of the general public who have been indicted.
Forced to defend that statement I would have to go find my source again, but I am quite sure this is true.

Again, the argument that a crook is a crook is always available, and valid; the argument that there are too many crooks on the other side is also always available, but the conclusion that the other side is crooked was false last year, is false now, and will be false next year, or so I believe.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 5, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

" .... evading disclosure requirements -- in regards to $96,000 that was paid to his mistress by his parents(!) ..." indeed (!&#@).

Gee, I wish my mommy & daddy would buy me a U.S. Senate seat! And send hush money to my mistress!

Mommy! Daddy! Please! Please!

And I wanna be President!

Buy me that, too, OK!

Posted by: hogsmile | April 5, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Notice how Eric Holder goes after the White Republican, all for political motives, while the Black Democrat - Charlie Rangel is left alone.....racism and political corruption at work in the obama led White House!
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Another post from another racist Tea Bagging loon!

Ensign slept with a collegues wife, then bought her off with a fat check and a job for her husband and her kid.

Republicans the party of "Family Values"????

Posted by: Richard18 | April 5, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Notice how Eric Holder goes after the White Republican, all for political motives, while the Black Democrat - Charlie Rangel is left alone.....racism and political corruption at work in the obama led White House!

Posted by: Realist20

William Jefferson is in jail and we're still waiting for a trial on Tom DeLay.

Speaking of Democrat William Jefferson, he was convicted of receiving $500,000 in bribes and was sentenced to 13 years.

Republican Randy "Duke" Cunningham was convicted of receiving $2.4 million in bribes and sentenced to 8 years and 4 months.

Posted by: James10 | April 5, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Notice how Eric Holder goes after the White Republican, all for political motives, while the Black Democrat - Charlie Rangel is left alone.....racism and political corruption at work in the obama led White House!

Posted by: Realist20 | April 5, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

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Cry me a river. Rangel has nothing to do with Ensign.

Posted by: maggots | April 5, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Notice how Eric Holder goes after the White Republican, all for political motives, while the Black Democrat - Charlie Rangel is left alone.....racism and political corruption at work in the obama led White House!

Posted by: Realist20 | April 5, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

November is coming, my friends. HEADS MUST ROLL!!

Posted by: andrew23boyle

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The electorate picked everyone that is an incumbent. What rationale do you have that the electorate will do any better in November. [It doesn't necessarily follow that someone different is someone better.]

IMO, the large majority of the electorate picks on who has the better bumper stickers.

Posted by: James10 | April 5, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Dump the incumbants in 2010 and 2012.

Posted by: dchapman | April 5, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

IF he were running in November (he's not), knowing what has transpired, the Republic Party of Nevada would endorse him and the followers would vote for him.

Posted by: whocares666 | April 5, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Exactly when has one of these stupid Tea Bag Republican ever acted ethically?

Posted by: vztownes | April 5, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

To: mark_in_austin

"Does John Ensign cloud Republicans' ethics argument?"

Just answer the dang question, yes or no.

And who is that idiot rambling on about Babe Ruth. Most of the people that know Babe Ruth stats have been worm bait for a long time.

.... Don't you go and resign Senator Ensign, you stick to your guns and stay in office right through Nov 2010.

Posted by: James10 | April 5, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I want to see more independent candidates running free of either party influence. Repo & Demo dirty, corrupt. Both parties are major liability to this country. They both invent legislation that do more harm than good.

Posted by: drkly | April 5, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Republicans and ethics in the same sentence? Gedadda here.

Posted by: ravensfan20008 | April 5, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Oops, I didn't mean to post the same thing 2x! Sorry.

Posted by: alaskansheilah | April 5, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Another one bites the dust, Hnuh!
Another one bites the dust, ah ah
Another one bites the dust, hnuh!

Another one bites the dust,
HEY EY EY EY EY EY EY EY EEEEEY!

drop you cockroaches.

Posted by: alaskansheilah | April 5, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Another one bites the dust, Hnuh!
Another one bites the dust, ah ah
Another one bites the dust, hnuh!

Another one bites the dust,
HEY EY EY EY EY EY EY EY EEEEEY!

drop you cockroaches.

Posted by: alaskansheilah | April 5, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Let's see... he was banging one of his married staffers, used Mommy and Daddy to try and pay the husband to keep quiet, and tried to get the cuckolded husband a job through a lobbyist.

Yep, that sounds about right for the Republicans, who delight in wrapping themselves in the flag and spouting off about "family values."

The GOP is the biggest bunch of hypocrites you've ever seen.

Posted by: losthorizon10 | April 5, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

iirc - it was Sen. Coburn(R) who negotiated the $96K payment to Ensign's lover & her hubby from his mommy and daddy.
And Ensign is HOW OLD?? jeeeeeez

Posted by: angie12106 | April 5, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

If indicted, he should resign.

Posted by: capitolconservative | April 5, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Good. Indict them all!

The Republicans and Democrats may as well be the Krips and Bloods for all they care about the good of our nation.

Anyone who is a Democrat or a Republican and doesn't think that their own party is just as guilty as the other of crimes against the American people should try reading the news once in a while. Or just look at the bipartisan list of law-makers who used the secretive and undemocratic near-criminal procedure they euphamize as 'earmarking' to take advantage of their position and to loot the public treasury in service of their own selfish ambition!

Maybe 40% of Democrats are corrupt and 'only' 30% of Republicans or maybe it's the other way around. It doesn't really matter. Arguing about which party is worse is sort of like arguing about who was more evil, Hitler or Stalin: there might be a correct answer but they're both so bad that in the end it's academic.

More importantly, such rancorous 'debate', if things like "Repugnicant" and "Dimocrat" can be called 'debating', will not move us one iota towards solving our problems. This is one of the worst problems with the atmosphere of partisan rancor: when both sides are guilty but the partisans of either side refuse to acknowledge their own complicity then we can expect the problems to be only half-solved at best!

It is time that these creatures that call themselves our leaders learn again to fear the fury of the people, a people who have seen their beautiful Republic raped and outraged again and again by the worst kind of corrupt, self-serving vermin in BOTH parties! We need to stop making excuses for corruption and incompetence even when we happen to share a political affiliation with the criminal or incompetent in question! We need to stop pretending Democratic corruption is justified by Republican corruption and vice versa!

I would like to see them all paid the wages of treason. Since that's not too likely, let's do the next best thing and VOTE THE SCUM OUT!!

We have the power to stop this. We always have. But we will only start start making REAL progress and REAL change when everyone, left, right and center, accepts responsibility, puts aside ideology, applies unfettered reason to the problem and makes the hard sacrifices that will more than likely be necessary in the near future!

November is coming, my friends. HEADS MUST ROLL!!

Posted by: andrew23boyle | April 5, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Ensign indicted? What? I thought the last eight years proved Cheney right, Republican crimes don't matter.

Posted by: hairguy01 | April 5, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh, for heaven's sake!

Neither side can claim being better than the other. It is all game playing.

The best thing that can happen is that charges are brought where they should be brought.

And, I know this will get a lot of press - it will be BIG. But, to tell the truth, I am getting tired of both sides trying to defend scuzz-balls.

Wouldn't it be nice, just once - to have a Dem shocked - I mean SHOCKED, HORRIFIED, DISAPPOINTED - at a Dem being found to do some scuzz-ball thing. Same for the Pubs. And to say so publically, not with the lame sort of "he did that but the other side had this guy who did something worse."

(I haven't kept up with Ensign. Did he really get his parents to give his mistress a bunch of money? I know it is perfectly terrible of me but I do so love it when the sanctimonious are brought low.)


Posted by: amelia45 | April 5, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

rplat wrote>>>Oh please, the Party of the Democrats is one big ethical sewer and this left wing rag is coming down hard on Ensign......get real.

WaPo should be as silent as the Republicans are on Ensign's adultery - right?
There are at least 4 known "family values" Republican adulterers currently holding office - Gibbons, Sanford, Vitter, Ensign.......Gov. Gibbons was even photographed at CPAC with his mistress! lol - No shame.

Posted by: angie12106 | April 5, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey, c'mon now, stop picking on Ensign. At least he was doing a woman, a rare thing these days in republican sex scandals.

Posted by: barferio | April 5, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

"Oh please, the Party of the Democrats is one big ethical sewer and this left wing rag is coming down hard on Ensign. . . get real.

Posted by: rplat | April 5, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse"

Right scumbucket, all those good Democrats like "Trailwalker" Sanford, "Wide Stance" Craig, "Diapers" Vitter, and Ensign's fellow Nevadan, "Woman-hitter" Gibbons. Gotta love those ethically challenged Democrats.

LOL you idiot.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | April 5, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Family value Republicans up to their eyesballs in dirty little secrets...

Posted by: beenthere3 | April 5, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh please, the Party of the Democrats is one big ethical sewer and this left wing rag is coming down hard on Ensign. . . get real.

Posted by: rplat | April 5, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

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Oh please yourself - this guy is going to indicted! I guess this proves that conservatives defend their own, no matter how deep they are in the ethical sewer!

Posted by: maggots | April 5, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama can't throw a baseball - it is a sure sign he is not an American.

Americans know certain things - like how many home runs Babe Ruth had, or which team Lou Gehrig played for.

A trip-up on these kinds of things is usually a give-away that - no matter how good one's English is - that the person is not American.

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

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Thanks for the good laugh! I needed it.

Most of the country doesn't even know who Babe Ruth or Lou Gehrig are, let alone know their stats! Also, there are millions of Americans who don't speak "good English".

And

Posted by: maggots | April 5, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Oh please, the Party of the Democrats is one big ethical sewer and this left wing rag is coming down hard on Ensign. . . get real.

Posted by: rplat | April 5, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

11-1 stomp at the home opener.

Barry brings his special touch to the Nats opening day.

Maybe he can get back to surrendering to Iran now.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 5, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"But actually, just kidding. These kinds of posts are proof that Ace McNumbnuts is a troll. Not even a baby who still craps his diapers thinks that what might happen in several months has any effect whatsoever on the stock market.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | April 5, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

now you understand why loud and dumb is called that. Too stupid to even be a stooge any longer.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 5, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse"

I see the idiot troll is still flooding this board with his gibberish. The idiot needs to tell the Wall Street Journal that all of their stock market coverage is off-base. If you read the WSJ, you'd think the markets react to current economic news. According to the idiot troll, the market in fact is responding only to events that might take place several months from now. The market won't even react to predictions of moves the Fed might make, for example, but the idiot troll thinks that the prices of thousands of stocks move based on events far into the future.

Wall Street Journal vs idiot troll. You be the judge!

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | April 5, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Massa is a moot point. He's as easy to tie to Repblicans as he is to Democrats. He only switched parties over Iraq, but kept being a Republican in every important way.

Posted by: wd1214 | April 5, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Massa is a moot point. He's as easy to tie to Repblicans as he is to Democrats. He only switched parties over Iraq, but kept being a Republican in every important way.

Posted by: wd1214 | April 5, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama can't throw a baseball - it is a sure sign he is not an American.


The CIA and military intelligence have some sure-fire ways to determine if someone is American.


Americans know certain things - like how many home runs Babe Ruth had, or which team Lou Gehrig played for.


A trip-up on these kinds of things is usually a give-away that - no matter how good one's English is - that the person is not American.


Look at how Obama throws a baseball. He is not an American. It is pretty simple. The democrats don't even try to defend this. It is proof.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

The difference between Rangel and Ensign(other than Ensign's hypocritical "family values" stance) is that the Democrats know how to police their own. Rangel may not be "out," but he certainly lost a plum committeee. Republicans will stand by Ensign until it's clear he's in big trouble, then they will turn on him and eat him like the sharks they are.

Posted by: wd1214 | April 5, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse


'The major issue is whether Obama is an American - how does one not know how to throw a baseball ??"


More hilarity. The Fix keeps me laughing all day.

Posted by: drindl | April 5, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

bsimon, you're probably right on both massa and rangel. I was wondering how easily Rangel could be sold, but I think if Dodd can be sold, then Rangel could be sold as well.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 5, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

koolkat_1960


First of all, the American people do NOT want this "landmark" health care you are talking about. The massive Obama-taxes are getting forced on the American people, even though Obama promised not to tax anyone earning under 250 K.

This is the largest tax increase in American history.

This health care bill is the WORST thing for the economy right now - it is going to cause the economic recovery to HALT - and we are headed for a double-dip recession.


Next, the law might be completely unconsitutional - which would be a good thing because the whole thing might get tossed out.

Where does the Federal Government get the power for a sales tax ??? Tanning is a sales tax.

Obama is taxing people just for LIVING.

What else can the democrats think of taxing ???? They have made jokes of themselves.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

koolkat_1960


First of all, the American people do NOT want this "landmark" health care you are talking about. The massive Obama-taxes are getting forced on the American people, even though Obama promised not to tax anyone earning under 250 K.

This is the largest tax increase in American history.

This health care bill is the WORST thing for the economy right now - it is going to cause the economic recovery to HALT - and we are headed for a double-dip recession.


Next, the law might be completely unconsitutional - which would be a good thing because the whole thing might get tossed out.

Where does the Federal Government get the power for a sales tax ??? Tanning is a sales tax.

Obama is taxing people just for LIVING.

What else can the democrats think of taxing ???? They have made jokes of themselves.


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"The news out of Nevada that the Justice Department may be moving toward an indictment of Sen. John Ensign (R) could well cloud
Republicans' attempt to use ethics as a cudgel against Democrats."

Oh stop, you're killing me. Is this guy SERIOUS? Is this a late April fool's joke?

After Foley and the teenage pages, after Vitter and the diapers, after Mr. Wide Stance in the men's room, after Sanford and the argentinian babe, the list goes on and on -- that he could write this suggests a serious lack of self-awareness and a total inability to grasp irony.

But I find that these are defining traits on the right.

Posted by: drindl | April 5, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

But actually, just kidding. These kinds of posts are proof that Ace McNumbnuts is a troll. Not even a baby who still craps his diapers thinks that what might happen in several months has any effect whatsoever on the stock market.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | April 5, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

now you understand why loud and dumb is called that. Too stupid to even be a stooge any longer.

Posted by: Moonbat | April 5, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse


The major issue is whether Obama is an American - how does one not know how to throw a baseball ??

Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade


So you are a victim of excessive political correctness?


Why do I believe that.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"It has gotten over the tumult caused by the election of a socialist, now that it sees how utterly ineffective he is."

Utterly ineffective presidents get landmark health care legislation passed all the time.

Good one, troll.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | April 5, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

The democrats STILL have not gotten Rangel out - this is a joke - seriously folks, why isn't Rangel out ???


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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Well, he's clearly not Dominican!

I was a staff cartoonist at the New Yorker. My proudest moment was inking the knuckles of the fist-bump. Sadly, an effort that led to my departure and exile to Washington where I subsist of leftover liquor from discarded oysters.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 5, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama can't throw a baseball - it is a sure sign he is not an American.


The CIA and military intelligence have some sure-fire ways to determine if someone is American.


Americans know certain things - like how many home runs Babe Ruth had, or which team Lou Gehrig played for.


A trip-up on these kinds of things is usually a give-away that - no matter how good one's English is - that the person is not American.


Look at how Obama throws a baseball. He is not an American. It is pretty simple.

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Posted by: 37thand0street | April 5, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Bondo: Zouk/moonbat/drivl/dribbl/Zouk_is_king/Ace McNumbnuts is a troll. Treat him as such. His posts about the stock market are so nonsensical, only a troll would post them. A moron could not figure out how to turn on his computer. Ergo: troll.

The market is quite pleased with the latest economic news. Seven more years of President Obama could be very lucrative for most of us.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | April 5, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

ddawd - the Massa thing is irrelevant.

Rangel is a big problem for Dems. Ensign could be a big problem for Repubs. The FL GOP investigation could be a big problem for Repubs and/or Rubio, depending on how it plays out; when you have a Repub Gov asking the FBI to investigate his own party, its probably not going to be good.

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 5, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"No, actually the market is downright pleased that the Repubs will be back in charge in november. It has gotten over the tumult caused by the election of a socialist, now that it sees how utterly ineffective he is.

Liberals of course, think the market is reacting to last week's news. Liberals are always wrong about things economic."

I see the drooling idiot is still posting his nonsensical gibberish about the stock market. I notice the idiot didn't post any of this garbage a year ago when the market was roaring back from the wreckage of the Bush era.

But actually, just kidding. These kinds of posts are proof that Ace McNumbnuts is a troll. Not even a baby who still craps his diapers thinks that what might happen in several months has any effect whatsoever on the stock market.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | April 5, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

The thing that cracks me up is that Reid is supposedly the tea party folks' #1 target.

Do they have any idea who would replace him as Senate Majority Leader?

Durbin and Schumer are next in line. Two of the most skilled politicians and deal-makers out there.

It's a little like when wingnuts were so busy going after Hillary, they didn't even see Obama coming.

If they do manage to defeat Reid, they'll be patting themselves on the back while Durbin and Schumer are passing everything on the president's agenda.

Posted by: Bondosan | April 5, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

In a purely political sense (I think Rangel alleged crimes are actually worse) I think it's Ensign who will be the bigger liability for the party simply because his story is so easy to tell. He had an affair and then used public and campaign money as hush money. That's a LOT easier for people to understand compared to Rangel's violations.

I'm not sure how Massa will play out. One one hand, he is a much less important figure than Ensign. But on the other hand, a lot more creepy.

But no matter how Massa plays out, the Ensign story is big and will have an effect.

Posted by: DDAWD | April 5, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Blade, you remind me of the NYTimes and Obama coverage.

where were you back then?

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

If Ensign were forced out by mid August, could there be TWO Senatorial contests in Nevada come November? But then suppose Reid were to lose the Primary, and then Ensign were to resign, and the Dems fill the second position with Reid...

You get more permutations than a T-Party spokesman debating hioself on what motivates T-People.

Posted by: ceflynline | April 5, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I like the image. W crossing the Iraq border, bloody scarf wrapped around his head and knife between his teeth, letting off round after round of fire from his automatic weapon. Eagle Eye Dick Cheney by his side.

Rudy Guiliani in Harlem, engaged in a knife fight with a local pimp.

Three men. All alone against the menaces of the world.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | April 5, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I already conceded that economics is way beyond most liberals.

Hence the current economy.

""what we need right now is a big giant healthy tax hike to get everyone working again. OK Karl.""

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I see...the market is pumped because in seven months, some Republicans will get elected to Congress, and then take office two months later. Wow. Talk about a forward-looking statement.

Posted by: Bondosan | April 5, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Bond - as far as credit goes, it is often not properly applied. you may be correct about the NY crime rate, but in history books, rudy cleaned it up, all by himself according to many.

Just as Bush fought the Iraq war alone (until it was won, after which Obama tried to claim credit), but it will always be Bush's baby, no matter the outcome.

and with this health care mess, even thought the credit properly goes to Pelosi, it will be barry saddled with its failure.

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Also, weren't you the guy who was so into the Dow? The market seems to be pretty happy with President Obama

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No, actually the market is downright pleased that the Repubs will be back in charge in november. It has gotten over the tumult caused by the election of a socialist, now that it sees how utterly ineffective he is.

Liberals of course, think the market is reacting to last week's news. Liberals are always wrong about things economic.

Posted by: Zouk_is_King | April 5, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Zouky, I'm picking up the thread from the previous post:

I hate to burst your bubble, but the crime rates began plunging during Rudy's predecessor's administration, when the top cop in the city was named Ray Kelly.

You may have heard of him. He's been the Police Commissioner for Rudy's successor as well (for about the last decade).

Crime rates also plunged all over the country at the same time. Maybe it was Clinton's 100,000 more cops on the street, or maybe it was abortion being made legal across the country in the mid 70s. All those unwanted, abused, and angry kids who tend to grow up and commit crimes...just weren't there to do so.

Also, weren't you the guy who was so into the Dow? The market seems to be pretty happy with President Obama.

Posted by: Bondosan | April 5, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The party's reaction to an indictment will be critical to how it plays out for them. If they defend Ensign and argue for waiting for the courts to have their say, the issue will be played against them. One possible way to shoot the middle would be to defend Ensign as innocent until proven guilty, while quietly pushing him out.

What I'd really like the Fix to address: how this affects Reid's race, in particular, particularly if Ensign leaves office this year.

Posted by: bsimon1 | April 5, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Nothing anyone else does mitigates what Rangel is alleged to have done. He is the freaking Chair of Ways and Means.

If you are only talking about the effect of mutual mud slinging on voters, you could say it cancels out for the most part.

Nothing any of these guys do "mitigates" what the others have done. But on a scale of thievery and bad citizenship, for the W&M Chair to be a complete tax evading scofflaw is mind boggling. And the Speaker gets no sympathy from me for not noticing sooner.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | April 5, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

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