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FL-Sen.: Club for Rubio, trouble for Crist



Former Florida state House Speaker Marco Rubio is being endorsed by the Club for Growth. Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images

The Club for Growth made it official this morning, throwing its weighty endorsement behind former Florida state House Speaker Marco Rubio's (R) Senate bid and significantly complicating Gov. Charlie Crist's (R) path to the nomination.

Club president Chris Chocola praised Rubio as "one of the brightest young stars in American politics" and a "proven champion of economic liberty." Chocola also skewered Crist for repeatedly taking the side of "big government liberals on major economic issues facing America today."

The Club's endorsement of Rubio had been rumored for months but momentum for it picked up after the former state legislator managed to raise more than $1 million between July 1 and Sept. 30 -- proving viability against the incredibly well-funded Crist.

What will the Club's endorsement mean for Rubio? First and foremost, money. The Club has shown considerable capacity to bundle -- collecting a series of donations from their donors and then directing them to a candidate -- hundreds of thousands of dollars to those they endorse.

One needs only look at the $400,000 the Club bundled for Conservative party nominee Doug Hoffman in his unsuccessful bid for New York's 23rd district last week as evidence of its power.

In a race as high profile as the Rubio-Crist fight, the amount of money the Club will be able to raise is sure to be amplified significantly. By way of comparison, the Club raised former Rep. Pat Toomey (R) more than $1 million for his near-miss primary challenge to then Republican Sen. Arlen Specter in 2004. The Club helped raised in excess of $1 million for the candidacies of Sens. Jim Demint (R-S.C.) and Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) that same year and, according to those close to the Club, it has grown far larger and better organized in the ensuing years.

The bundling of donations isn't the only benefit for Rubio from the Club's endorsement. The Club also has a demonstrated record of spending considerable sums -- more than $500,000 in NY-23, more than $1 million in Pennsylvania's Senate race -- on television and radio ads among other forms of voter contact.

While the Club brings a series of assets -- financial and otherwise -- to Rubio's campaign, Crist still has to be considered the favorite in the primary fight given his near universal name identification, positive ratings from voters and huge campaign war chest. (Make sure to read Stu Rothenberg's take on Crist's strengths -- and weaknesses.)

Still, Crist is clearly getting increasingly nervous about his standing in the primary. The latest sign? His odd attempt to walk back his clear support for President Barack Obama's economic stimulus package earlier this year.

The Club's entrance into the primary field means Crist is in for a real fight that will be cast as many national strategists as a battle for the heart and soul of the Republican party.

By Chris Cillizza  |  November 9, 2009; 11:00 AM ET
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Crist doesnt understand his own problems. His ties to the Stanaki Land Scam are killing him across the State. You cant read a story about Crist and not see someone who has uncovered the fact that Crist has directed, through his appointess , State Preservation funds to a major developer ( Mori Hosseini) and donor using dubious tactics. It is unclear how much of the 5.9 million has found its way back into Crists campaing warchest. Recent articles have uncovered Crists undocumented and unreimbursed use of Hosseinis jets, and a vote where Crist granted Hosseini development rights on Land that the FDEP was in active negotiations to buy. Crist cannot run from his donors and there is a long list of indicted fundraisers associated with Crists current campaign. Crist solf the taxpayers of this State out to big sugar, freight and developers. Crists simmering issue is inaction on the Stanaki Land scam that is sure to find itself in front of a grand jury in the spring. Bet on it!!

Posted by: jpoole11 | November 10, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

The Club for Growth had a big influence on Bush policies which led to a first in the last one hundred and eight years, a two term president without an increase in the number of jobs during his administration.

The Club for Growth has dominated American economic politics for at least the last eight years. What is it about Republicans? When they make a mistake they keep on repeating it.

Posted by: Gator-ron | November 9, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Lose is win, tha latest vocabulary lesson from the Libs.

Posted by: snowbama


Never fear my brothers. you have many such victories as you experienced in
VA and NJ pending next year. you will be very happy with all those liberal "wins".

and it will be win-win as Nanny Peloony happily joins the ranks of the unemployed, yet another job that Obama failed to save.

that word Fail has a funny way of attaching itself to him, doesn't it?

Except the famous Dog Decision. It was worth the wait, especially for Bo, who is now treated to Veal nightly as America reports to the unemployment line.

golf anyone? not much else going on around here.

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I notice that Loud and Dumb has arrived to encourage us into ignorance. I guess the recent election in NY 23 had absolutely nothing to do with the Club for Growth or background bases of voters at all.

Logic and reason was never Ace McNumbnuts' strong suit.

One line pre-K insults however.......

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

"that "SEEMS" like a place that the GOP is not too firmly entrenched."

No, that "SEEMS" like the GOP got crushed last year in a lot of places they normally carry. A difficult concept to grasp, I know.

Posted by: nodebris | November 9, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cilizza: Please note that many of the posts on this board have nothing to do with the topic and instead relate to one troll's gibberish regarding NY-23.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 9, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Poor ohioan, up awake all night worrying about our inevitable slide into taxpayer funded pet insurance. Thank God *someone* has their eye out on the big issues for us.

Posted by: nodebris | November 9, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

They bring up McNulty to make it seem like NY-23 is a swing-voting area,

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for example, voting for Obama in the election?

that "SEEMS" like a place that the GOP is not too firmly entrenched.

unless you're a liberal, desperately searching for talking points, bumper stickers and chants for the true believers.

Lose is win, tha latest vocabulary lesson from the Libs.

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

"progressive" is a misleading term.
There's nothing progressive about the Progressive Party, except they perpetuate
entitlement. Example: Abortions are legal: so.. let's make taxpayers pay for abortion now. Then it will be pet insurance: taxpayers should pay for pet insurance. They're parasites and they won't be happy until they've sucked all the blood from taxpayers.

Posted by: ohioan | November 9, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Marco Rubio comes to Pinellas to deliver the most important speech of the campaign.

http://bit.ly/1avmD8

Posted by: saintpetersblog | November 9, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Terri Schiavo.

Rubio says he opposes Big Gov't, but he wants the gov't to control your personal life, including life-and-death decisions.

A large majority of Floridians--especially seniors--favored letting Terri Schiavo make her own end-of-life decisions. Meek can beat Rubio like a dead horse with this.

Posted by: Garak | November 9, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

To those that think that all the "right people" i.e. insurance companies and big pharma are scared and therfore the House health care bill is good, I have a few thoughts for you! First of all, congress does what is right for them, not the people. If a radical bill is passed and the congress controls our 2.5 trillion health care budget, they will let contracts and sucor campaign contributions from those that benefit them. Those that can't escape the disater that could befall us will have to endure poor service, long lines and endless frustration. And when granny gets too old and costs to much money, she will be told to go home and take an asprin and not to return because she costs to much. When that happens, look around and you will see that congress man or woman who sold you a bill of goods still able to get the best health care only a selfish congress person will be able to enjoy. I'm not against health care refrom; I'm doubtful our congress can or will provide it for us.

Posted by: saelij | November 9, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

It is clear that you were simply repeating a talking point from some right-wing pundit. They bring up McNulty to make it seem like NY-23 is a swing-voting area, or obfuscate by saying NY state is solidly democratic.

But the biggest chunk of NY-23, including Watertown, has been a GOP district for over a hundred years. Sure, the NY Dems did this on purpose--they shoved all the conservative areas of upstate NY into one district so that the remaining districts would be Democratic. That's what state pols on both sides do.

Apparently, NY-23 is set to disappear all together after the census. NY will be losing one CD, so they will carve up the 23rd and divide it among the surrounding districts. And THEN, maybe, you can talk about NY as a homogenously Democratic state.

Posted by: mikenmidland | November 9, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

but that just doesn't have the pizazz now does it. Perhaps if you revert back to the previous chant you'll feel better.

hope, change, yes we can. repeat!

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Okay, to be clear: Bill Owens(D) is the current US Representative of the good folks of Watertown, NY. The last non-Republican to represent Watertown, NY was a member of the Whig Party.

Posted by: mikenmidland | November 9, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Sonicare is for elitist liberals.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite
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As is, apparently, living past 40 and a habitable planet.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | November 9, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

When the rightwing cowards on Capitol Hill give up their gold-plated taxpayer funded healthcare, I will beleive they are not hypocrites.

But you will notice NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAS.

They are all talking out of their arses.

Posted by: drindl | November 9, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The area currently called NY23 (note the wording, zouk, learn something) is rock solid GOP

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so rock solid they went for Obama. facts have no place in liberalism.

I know, I know, change the name from NY23rd to "the area currently called the NY 23rd" no one will notice. except maybe the artist formerly known as Prince.

change the name from public option to consumer option

change the name from murder to choice

change the name from warming to climate change

change the name from liberal to progressive

change the name from Barry to Barack

change the name for terror attack to man made disaster

change the name from war to overseas contingency

change the name from tax to fee

change the name from is to....still trying to figure this one out.

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of the healthcare bill, I just read an interesting article (Reuters) about how the insurers and big pharma are a bit panicky and are really hoping the Senate will strip out stuff they're calling detrimental to their bottom line.
Yup, sounds like the big insurance payday all you snow related dolts have been screaming it was going to be.
But really, it sounds like they're (Congress) doing something right after all, since all the right people are worried.
Man, it sure is nice to be an American today.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | November 9, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

GOP operatives are confiscating the accoutrement of dental hygiene from their conservative candidates as we speak.

Sonicare is for elitist liberals.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 9, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Not only does zouk get his facts wrong, he's about the twentieth poster to make this exact same mistake since Tuesday, rat cheer in the Fix.

The area currently called NY23 (note the wording, zouk, learn something) is rock solid GOP, is modestly educated, is rural, is very white ... the kind of place where a Republican needs nothing more than a warm body to win election. And even in this district and with all that money the conservatives lost.

If Scozzafava, Republican, had been allowed to run then her election would have been a no-brainer.

And the GOP takeaway? Repeat the Dough Hoffman formula all over the nation.

Can't make this stuff up.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 9, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

So in order to make a sweeping generalization, you libs are free flowing with the facts and include areas that were and some that were not when you falsely claim that the "district" has not been in D hands since the Civil War, a cute little talking point. In fact to be accurate, you should claim that certain geographic pieces of that district have not been in D hands. but that sounds so unuseful to your cause of claiming victory in defeat.

I guess as long as even the slighest piece of land is included you are factually correct. but you're not, because we are talking about the NY 23rd district, not the various pieces of land that once made it up but no longer do.

I will grant you that you could say a substantial part of that area of ground.... but that doesn't fit on a bumper sticker and hence is difficult for liberals to remember.

I suppose you could also claim that the health care bill just passed was bipartisan. Well it was!

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

In fact, Rep. McNulty continued to represent his home town of Troy (currently in the 21st CD) until his retirement THIS YEAR.

Posted by: mikenmidland | November 9, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Surprise, snow globe has trouble with the concept of redistricting.

Posted by: nodebris | November 9, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Snowdoofus:

The area has been reapportioned many times, and has only been in its current boundaries since 2003.

Owens is the first Democrat to represent some of the area (about 62%) that now makes up NY-23, since the 19th century. The district has only been in its current form since 2003. A large portion of the district -- including the largest city, Watertown — has not been represented by a Democrat since the 1850's. In parts of the district, the last non-Republican Representative was a Whig.

In other words, the NY-23 that McNutty represented in those years was not today's NY-23. Specifically, it did not include Watertown.

Posted by: mikenmidland | November 9, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that Libs can only win if they split the vote like Clinton did? they have such a hard time going from the base of 20% to even garner 40-45% in almost every case.
Posted by: snowbama
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yes, I'm sure every one of the 60 Democratic Senators and the 258 (both MAJORITIES, interestingly) were vote splitting cheaters. And who was the third party that stole the election from McCain, by the by?

You could be a bigger tool, but I don't know how.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | November 9, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

mideinmideland -- just like the radical Rubio will turn Democrats out and depress moderate republican voting, which Crist would not have done.

Posted by: drindl | November 9, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what Representative Michael McNutty thinks about you writing him out of history, since he was a democrat and represented the district from 89-93.

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Back to making up facts, I see. NY-23 is not NYC. It has been a GOP district since the Civil War. It went for Obama in 2008, but by the lowest margin of any district in NY. And as VA and NJ races showed, there was the real possibility that Democrats (especially new voters in 2008) wouldn't bother to go to the polls this year.

Hoffman and the Club for Growth made sure that the Dems showed up. If he had stayed out, then Scozzafava would have walked away with it in a sleeper.

Posted by: mikenmidland | November 9, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

in-the-bag as any district could possibly be for the GOP

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could you be any more devoid of fact:

Obama hand picked this district as a likely pick up when he stole the Rep for the Army.

It went to Obama by 52% in the election.

It had a comfortable seat who had been there for 7 terms, hence no bench and no back ups and no organization. prior to that it was in Dem hands.

It is in NY, hardly a conservative stronghold.

there was no primary, allowing the local yokels to go up against the WH machine.

the guy that ran was plucked from no where , yet still in 30 days managed 45% of the vote. He was as anti telegenic as you could get and had very little political skill and experience nor any knowledge of the issues, other than the fact that Obama and the Libs were ruining the country.

Even with all those handicaps, the Dems barely won with a mere 4% spread against two opponents. Why is it that Libs can only win if they split the vote like Clinton did? they have such a hard time going from the base of 20% to even garner 40-45% in almost every case.

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

snow job with a capital BL-

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | November 9, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

AndyR3 wrote:Also darngentleman, I would assume that you have never actually been anywhere near the NY-23rd so why I don't you keep your stereotypes to yourself.
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Didn't anybody ever teach you what happens when you assume? You make an a$$ out of you and...I've never understood how your failure to know the facts makes me look bad. Whatever, it's pithy.
And you're incorrect, in any case.

But I digress-
Coralights- I think that at the moment, "conservative" is being used so loosely it seems to apply to almost anybody in some fashion. The right would like everyone to say, "Well, I don't like the government wasting my money, I must be a conservative."
At the same time, "liberal" is a word conservatives have spent years making dirty, making it out to mean "pothead commies who would ruin this (supposed) capitalist society we've got".
A conservative to me is someone who sees everything in black and white, when the world is clearly a very gray place.
Whatever the case, the Palin crowd self-identifies as "conservative", so call it whatever you want, but America will never let the Palin/teabagger Jihad on Freedom dictate policy. And in their case, "conservative" means, "destroy the thing you purport to be for" (like MY civil rights, my health(care), my freedom of religion and speech and choice and...)
Soon enough, "conservative" will be just as dirty a word as "liberal".
Then maybe we can get down to the business of getting things done...but I doubt it.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | November 9, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

How nice to see the GOP taking, as predicted, entirely the wrong lesson from last Tuesday.

NY23 is as in-the-bag as any district could possibly be for the GOP, and even there, and even with boxcars of corporate money coming in and even with the endorsement of the GOP subbasement luminaries, Hoffman still lost. And not by a squeaker, either.

So what does the GOP do? Repeat this "winning" formula."

Sheesh.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 9, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

would have done worse if people had more time to get to know him. He's creepy in about eight different ways.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite


finally something that rings true, as if from personal experience.

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Hoffman would have won the seat had the "republican" dropped out sooner.

==

There's really no evidence of that but if it helps you sleep nights you go ahead and hold on to that thought.

I think Hoffman would have done worse if people had more time to get to know him. He's creepy in about eight different ways.

Posted by: GoldAndTanzanite | November 9, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Yes 'snowball' should change his name to 'snow job'. It's obvious he is being paid for each word of anti- anti - anti -. I wish I could land such a job! Must be a sweet way to make a living...

Posted by: umbriadan | November 9, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I'd say this moves the Florida primary up to #2 on the list. Possibly #1 as the Texas primary, while fascinating, doesn't have the national implications that Rubio/Crist has.

BB

P.S. Well done to all for ignoring snowball's attempts at a threadjack. Yes we can (keep the thread on topic)!

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 9, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

There was one world leader absent for today’s commemorations marking the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall. Surprisingly enough, it’s President Barack Obama, who found time last year to give a campaign speech there last year, which Der Spiegel summed up as “People of the World, Look at Me”. The White House has cited a packed schedule, though looking at it he had nothing much on yesterday

busy with the scrapbook already. Page one - my accomplishments. picked out a dog and allowed Nancy to squeeze in a health care debacle. stand by for page two, sometime in the next year or two.

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

My weekend roundup would not be complete without knowing how many pounds NAMBLA can bench press today. I am all tingly in anticipation.

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

As for those talking about Obama being a highly divisive first year president. Well, what do you expect? He's steaming immediately into some of the most contentious waters in US politics, tacking environmental and economic regulation, universal health care, and foreign policy. Of course when you're talking about divisive areas, you're going to have a heated debate. So is the answer to cower from conflict and punt these issues to future generations, or should he roll up his sleeves, wade in, and get to work. I don't know if this stat about him being the most contentious president of the last 40 years is true, but as an Obama supporter, I hope it is. It would show to me that he's succeeding in bringing the important issues to the fore and making meaningful achievements in dealing with them. That these answers divide people is a necessary side effect of dealing with divisive issues. You would rather, perhaps, that he just kissed babies and made flowery speeches?

Posted by: Braindeadx2003 | November 9, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Daleevansii, I feel that Hoffman had peaked the week before the election, and that if there had been more time between his canidacy and the election more local voters would have rejected him. More of Scozzafava's freed votes went to Owens than to Hoffman. Owens went up almost 15% from the end of October to election day.

Once Hoffman started showing up at forums and displaying his total lack of knowledge about local issues he was doomed. He had all that CforG principle but didn't realize that a CD as dependent on the Federal governement as that CD is isn't interested in a small government model. Their livelihoods depend on military bases, national parks, state roads and their construction, water management, government checks, etc.

Posted by: margaretmeyers | November 9, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The second half of this reads like a club for growth press release. "If you were our client, here is what we could be doing for you!"

On the other hand, Rubio is a hottie (Hoffman was a nottie!)

Posted by: margaretmeyers | November 9, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Soon the "Club" will be announcing their opponent to Mark Kirk. Can't wait....

Posted by: ILDem | November 9, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"The majority of Americans consider themselves conservatives"
-No they don't, if they did the conservatives would fare a lot better in elections. Or do you think most people also enjoy voting against they're ideals. In fact, this entire government is set up to give disproportionate power to conservatives. Think about it, most states with low populations are conservative, and due to the current setup of the senate and the electoral college, a voter in these states get's a lot more bang for his buck than voters from a high population, and usually more liberal state. For example, in Alaska 686,293 people share 2 senators and each vote counts for .0000004317 (3/686,293) electoral college votes. In California, on the other hand, 36,756,666 people share the same number of senators as in Alaska and each vote counts for only .0000001496 (55/36,756,666) electoral votes, or roughly 1/3 as much as a vote in Alaska. So actually, there are probably more of what you would consider "liberals" in this country. We're just extremely disenfranchised. Its actually somewhat amazing to me that we have the hubris to consider this country a "representative republic" considering the lack of accurate representation.

Posted by: Braindeadx2003 | November 9, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

So is there a viable Democrat on the other side? If these two beat each other up only to face a poorly funded state assemblyman who cares? If there is a well funded Democrat with real appeal, then a Republican primary with a battered winner is a story.

Posted by: caribis | November 9, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Our President is making changes, balancing budgets, saving the economy,


Good one. milk coming out the nose funny.

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Define conservative - I've always considered conservatives good people who support God and Country - who have basic values - who help others - who are not hooked on consumption - and are thrifty, ordinary hard working, savers - many people in this country both democrats and republicans are like that.

Somehow people like Limburger have stolen the identity of good conservative people who are normal republicans and democrats - and NORMAL Americans - they're attempting (and partially succeeding) to turn some Americans away from their country using divisive tactics over issues such as abortion, race, politics, taxes -

The truth is any decent person can tell thet President Obama is a decent person - and also that people like Limburger and organizations like FOX are liars and are attempting to instill fear and divide Americans with hateful rhetoric and ideas.

Also that Government is the ONLY thing between Americans and a bunch of greedy capitalists who are worse than communists as far as taking away the freedom of Americans using wealth and power.

These capitalists have bought America from the politicians we vote for - with campaign contributions -

Our President is making changes, balancing budgets, saving the economy, fighting 2 wars, promoting world peace, improving foreign relations, reforming health care, strengthening the rights of women & children, emphasizing energy, education, and technology as the path to a better future. He is a middle class advocate - seeking to get those with the money and power to give America back to Americans.

He is the best President this country has ever had! And he's only been at it 10 months - let's give him 8 years and a congress that will get the job done for him!

And that's the truth.

Posted by: coralights | November 9, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I can't think of a better thing than to have the conservatives spoil yet another congressional race - and make it absolutely certain the Democrat will win. Let them go ahead and do this all over the country. We have had too many long years of their biases, prejudices, and holier-than-thou pronouncements. (Not to mention the wars and screwed up economy.) Now they are complaining that a plan to bring affordable health care is too costly - as if fighting Bush's Iraq war cost nothing and added nothing to our collective debt. Let them commit hari kari all they want. I love watching it happen.

Posted by: umbriadan | November 9, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Palin, FOX ,BECK O'Reilly, Hannity Rover & LIMBURGER will endorse RUBIO - like they did Hoffman whom they were televising all election night until midnight couldn't possibly lose - HA! Then they all put their red tails between their legs and slinked home in the dark. The next day they said Hoffman losing was a victory - :-0

At least Crist won't have to worry about being endorsed by FOX, Limburger, failin Palin, Raving Rove & company. Here's some interesting demographics on the NY district 23 that just elected a DEMOCRAT - which shows that there are a lot more smart white republicans (probably a lot of women!) than bigots - who vote their conscience!

ONLY IN FLORIDA THEY WILL BE VOTING FOR THE DEMOCRAT like they did in NY district 23 !!!! ;-) GO PALIN/RUBIO!

""The 23rd [district] is far whiter than America as a whole — 93 percent versus 74 — with tiny sprinklings of blacks, Hispanics and Asians. It has few immigrants. It’s rural. Its income and education levels are below the norm. Only if the district were situated in Dixie — or Utah — could it be a more perfect fit for the narrow American demographic where the McCain-Palin ticket had its sole romps last year.""

Posted by: coralights | November 9, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

It will be best for Florida if Rubio comes close but loses to Crist in the GOP primary. Propelled by the C4G, he will then run as a Conservative or Independent.

Thus giving the Democratic nominee a chance at winning this Senate seat. Gotta love the Club for Growth!!

Posted by: mikenmidland | November 9, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Crist is a fake governor who has no political backbone and is now getting punished for it by the GOP. Conservatives hate him for his old green agenda (ditched for right-wing style points) and literal embrace of Obama (also ditched) and Democrats certainly won't support him after his far-right turn. He is in big trouble.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl1 | November 9, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Go for it!
The Democrats have a good chance against Rubio, not much of one against Crist.

Posted by: F_L_Palmer | November 9, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Have the so-called Club for Growth elected anyone?

Rubio pals around with terrorists Posada-Carilles and Orlando Bosch, who were involved in the 1976 mid-air bombing of a Cubana Airlines flight that killed 73 people, including members of the Cuban national fencing team. He was pardoned in 1992 by the elder Bush.

Posted by: MerrillFrank | November 9, 2009 12:30 PM
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
And your point? Who a person associates with is irrelevant thanks to the anointed one. Get over it!

Posted by: AkCoyote | November 9, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

clowns like Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, O'Riley, Carlson, Kavuto, Orly Taitz, Hanity, Rep. Wilson, Cheney, etc.

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I know. Isn't it just awful when reporters and commentators do their job. Even if it is against the permitted Word? How are Libs supposed to function with all that truth getting out?

We should just go back to the pre-election fawning that got us into this mess in the first place. Ignorance is bliss quoth the liberal. no need to water down the propoganda with all those unpleasant facts. decision are hard enough and so few and far between. Let's not make it more difficult by including analysis and thought into them. It is not the liberal way.

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Give me the candidate who can earn money from its voters. Rubio can't. Crist can.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 9, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

bsimon1 wrote: "Will moderate Repubs vote in a primary for Crist? Are there enough of them in FL to hold off Rubio?"

If you look at the national party, self-described moderates are considerably underrepresented in the GOP, about 30%, surprise, surprise. Liberals, of course, are non-existent (3%).

Conservatives will decide. So the final question is, how many conservatives remaining in the GOP can still see the practical advantage of nominating a "moderate" (take that term with a grain of salt) to claim a larger slice of the electorate? Or has ideological purity become the sole concern?

Posted by: nodebris | November 9, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Have the so-called Club for Growth elected anyone?

Rubio pals around with terrorists Posada-Carilles and Orlando Bosch, who were involved in the 1976 mid-air bombing of a Cubana Airlines flight that killed 73 people, including members of the Cuban national fencing team. He was pardoned in 1992 by the elder Bush.

Posted by: MerrillFrank | November 9, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

ABC's Brian Ross reported Monday that suspected Fort Hood shooter Nidal Halik Hasan tried to contact people connected to the terrorist group al Qaeda. Even worse, U.S. intelligence officials were aware of this months ago, and "it's not known whether the military was ever told by the CIA or others that one of its majors was making efforts to communicate with figures under electronic surveillance."


Well as long as his rights weren't violated, I am sure this is just fine with Present ident Obambi. Maybe he could compose a big apology speech to be read off the teleprompter to the families of the dead.

Asleep at the switch Obama strikes again. What's next, Iranian nuke goes off?

blame Bush, Barry was busy playing golf, fundraising or attending a date night. busy, busy you know. decisions are just so hard.

Hey I know, how about a photo op of Barry looking all glum and dissappointed with his mean face screwed on, as he salutes the coffins again. Be sure to wear that special tie, it brings out your eyes.

As long as no Muslims get offended, of course.

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

sverigegrabb writes
"Despite his momentary wobble, I wouldn't expect Crist to take this lying down. He'll fight back, as Stu prophesied, and it will get nasty. Rubio's gains may increase, and may even rob Crist of the 'aura of inevitability', but Crist didn't get where he is by not knowing how to play hardball."


There's no doubt Crist will fight. Where there is doubt is in Crist's strategy. Does he tack right & try to attract those voters, or does he call out Rubio & the CfG for being extremists promoting a fiscal/political approach that will drive the country into ruin?

Posted by: bsimon1 | November 9, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

This item about Club for Growth got me thinking about another political movement funded by right-wing business interests:

HITLER'S FINANCIERS

Many industrials bankrolled the Nazis, including allegedly:

· Hjalmar Schacht, Head of the Reichsbank, organised fund-raising parties for Hitler.

· Fritz von Thyssen, the German steel businessman

· Alfred Krupp, the owner of Krupp steel firm

· Emil Kirdorf, the coal businessman

· IG Faben, the German chemicals firm, gave half the funds for the 1933 elections

· The German car firm Opel (a subsidiary of General Motors)

· Schroeder Bank – on Jan. 3, 1933, Reinhard Schroeder met Hitler and asked him to form a government.

And many foreign firms including:

· Henry Ford of Ford Motors. Hitler borrowed passages from Ford's book The International Jew to use in Mein Kampf and had a picture of Ford on the wall of his office.

· Union Banking Corporation, New York (George Bush’s great-grandfather was president of the Corporation)

· WA Harriman and Co., the American shipping and railway company (George Bush’s grandfather was vice-president)

· Irenee du Pont, head of the American firm General Motors; he advocated the creation of a super-race by spinal injections to enhance children of ‘pure’ blood.

Source: http://johndclare.net

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Why Aren't Mainstream Journos Writing about This?

GOV'T TORTURES ME WITH SILENT MICROWAVE WEAPONS, SAYS OUSTED HONDURAS PREZ

• Deposed Honduras President Manuel Zelaya confirms the essence what unjustly targeted citizens worldwide -- including this journalist -- have been reporting for years...

...MILITARY, SECRET SERVICES, AND INTEL AGENCIES of many nations, including the U.S., silently assault and torture "targeted individuals," including those regarded as "dissenters" or slandered as undesirables, with debilitating, health-degrading, "slow-kill" electromagnetic microwave and laser radiation weapons systems -- reported to include a nationwide installation camouflaged as cell towers, along with satellites and portable weaponry.

FOR THE REST OF THE STORY:

http://nowpublic.com/world/govt-tortures-me-silent-microwave-weapons-ousted-s-prez

OR (if link is corrupted): http://NowPublic.com/scrivener RE: "Gov't Tortures" and "Gestapo USA."

Posted by: scrivener50 | November 9, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

dalevansii,
You are wrong that the 5% that voted for Scozzafava were absenty ballots or military people (who vote absenty BTW). She was still on the ballot and those people just decided to vote for her. Congressman Owens won the military vote in Watertown by a nice margin. It is one of the reasons why he won the election. Also darngentleman, I would assume that you have never actually been anywhere near the NY-23rd so why I don't you keep your stereotypes to yourself.

This is very bad news for Crist. His approval numbers are heading south while at the sametime his idealogical challenger is gaining serious steam. Money doesn't win election but lack of it sure can lose them. The next important date for FL is going to be Jan 15th or so when both guys will report their 4th quarter fundraising numbers. If Rubio goes over 2 million than Crist is toast. I hope Meeks sent a nice fruit basket to the CFG today, cause he got hooked up!

Posted by: AndyR3 | November 9, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

"The Club for Growth made it official this morning, throwing its weighty endorsement. . ."

I think "onerous" would be more accurate than "weighty," given recent events.

Posted by: nodebris | November 9, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Snowbama wrote: "Obama is now rated as the most divisive first-year president in the past four decades."

Which has absolutely nothing to do with clowns like Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, O'Riley, Carlson, Kavuto, Orly Taitz, Hanity, Rep. Wilson, Cheney, etc. And let me tell you about how much I just LOVE polls and statistics that don't list citations.

Say what you want about his campaign, but at least Obama hasn't allowed 3,200 American civilians to be killed on his watch during his first 9 months in office.

Posted by: Terrorfied | November 9, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Chris,

Stu's analysis and yours are spot on. And you're wise not to get ahead of the story with matching up the R. nominee against Meeks (who has his own work to do). The Club may eventually become the kiss of death for candidates, the monetary advantages notwithstanding.

Despite his momentary wobble, I wouldn't expect Crist to take this lying down. He'll fight back, as Stu prophesied, and it will get nasty. Rubio's gains may increase, and may even rob Crist of the 'aura of inevitability', but Crist didn't get where he is by not knowing how to play hardball.

This will be one of the most fascinating primaries to watch (after the Sestak-Specter bloodfest). Who says Christmas comes but once a year?

Posted by: sverigegrabb | November 9, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Who exactly are “they”? The selfish Chamber of Commerce. The profit-driven doctors who cut out tonsils unnecessarily. The rapacious insurance companies, which jack up health-care costs. Wall Street, of course, which ruined the economy. Those who do not have overdue accounts on their credit cards, who pay their taxes in full, and who meet their mortgage payments do so not because they live by a particular code and forgo some discretionary spending, but only because “they” somehow have more income than others.

“They,” however, are not always quite defined by income alone. Barack Obama himself lived in a spacious home. His populist advisers David Axelrod and Rahm Emanuel have used their insider contacts to make millions. So has a surprising number of other high-ranking administration officials, from Larry Summers to Timothy Geithner. Populist Obama supporters Charles Rangel and Chris Dodd both found sweetheart deals to finagle vacation homes. Compliance with the tax code is not a characteristic of an Obama cabinet appointee, or of a liberal congressman who lobbies for higher tax rates. “They,” in other words, means every American who makes over $250,000 (or is it $200,000? or really $150,000?) — but does not support Barack Obama.


In this world of “them” versus “us,” an individual is not so responsible for his own circumstances. All those without health insurance, but who have money for cell phones or plasma televisions, nonetheless face a veritable “murder” by the neglect of the affluent. Illegal aliens, who choose to send $50 billion annually back to Latin America, are forced to live in the shadows without adequate federal entitlements. The young over 23, who choose to spend some of their disposable income on cars, plasma TVs, or cell phones, obviously don’t have a dime for a catastrophic insurance plan. In this new world, wealth and poverty are judged in relative fashion — to be impoverished is not to have as much as “they.”

As we saw in the elections in purple state Virginia and blue state New Jersey, the problem with Obama’s various binaries is that they are beginning to overlap. In short, those finding themselves on the bad “them” side of the equation are growing in number, while the anointed “us” shrinks.


Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Another faceless corporate conglomerate thows it's support behind a Republican?? I'm so shocked and awed.

Posted by: Terrorfied | November 9, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Hoffman would have won the seat had the "republican" dropped out sooner. Too many people had already cast absentee ballets. Also, members of the military had already voted, for obvious reasons, and they tend to vote overwhelmingly for conservative and republicans. With the "republican" having dropped out, the vast majority of those military members would have voted for Hoffman. Just look at the numbers, the majority of those who voted for the "republican" (5% of the total votes) had already voted before she dropped out. If Rubio is a more fiscal conservative, then he should represent the republican party. I'm tired of republicans thinking they have to be more moderate just to win elections. The majority of Americans consider themselves conservatives. Run on conservative values, and you will win the election 99% of the time.

Posted by: daleevansii | November 9, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

This blog is a perfect storm of unthinking liberalism in the style of all things Obama good:

Barack Obama ran a healing campaign. He offered sonorous themes of a country no longer to be divided by blue-state/red-state animosities, by race, by income — or by much of anything.

In turn, we were to suspend disbelief over his past hardball campaigns for the state senate and sthe U.S. Senate. The young, charismatic, post-racial, post-political inheritor of Camelot could not really have compiled the most partisan record in the Senate. We were to think away his tough-guy Chicago-style associates. His pastor at the time, the venomous Rev. Jeremiah Wright, was an aberration. And when candidate Obama occasionally derided George W. Bush, it was considered rough, but deserved.

Alas, the first nine months of this administration have proven the most polarizing in memory. Polls show a 61 percent partisan gap. Obama is now rated as the most divisive first-year president in the past four decades. As this week’s elections suggest, even in liberal New Jersey and moderate Virginia, voters are becoming tired of being caricatured as either saints or sinners, depending on the degree to which they embrace the Obama vision. No wonder. As a Manichean, he increasingly envisions the world as “us” versus “them.”

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

bsimon -- I see NY-23 all over again. I'm sure the Dem in this race is laughing his as* off now.

Posted by: drindl | November 9, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Nothing beats a good intra-party Republican death match. Pass the popcorn!
Posted by: koolkat_1960
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Indeed, I too will have the popcorn. What happens when two different guys with no solutions to anything try to "out-NO!" each other?
I guess we're gonna find out. And I bet the list of Dems interested in running for that seat just got a whoooooooooooooooooooole lot longer, eh?

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | November 9, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

As a good Democrat who has no dog in this fight, I hope this Rubio character wins in Florida. It would mean one more Senate seat for Democrats in the next congress.

Posted by: Opa2 | November 9, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

The GOP is reaping what it sowed with the Palin nom. Now they're being bullied from within because they took a short term view to go "all in" in 2008.
They would have been much wiser to have nominated some good moderates, taken their medicine for subjecting us to Bush, and come back strong in 2010.
Instead, they'll be fighting to save their party from the Timmy McVeigh wannabe crowd and will likely get another clubbing in 2010.
NY-23 proved that even gun toting, Bible thumping rednecks don't want a hard right nutbag running things. The GOP had better get that message out and quash this teabagger rebellion tout suite, or it's gonna be a bad day at black rock for them.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | November 9, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

The Club for Growth are supposedly "fiscal conservatives"...and yet they throw a lot of money at candidates that ultimately fail.... Toomey,Hoffman. Should one of these clowns ever get elected we could expect them to Govern in the same fashion. Lots of money thrown at bad ideas that produce zero results.

Posted by: miker2133 | November 9, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

All you naval gazing liberals concerned with the demise of Repubs, should clean up your own backyard first. barry has put a stake in the heart of reasonable liberlism.

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

VTDuffman writes
"Considering CFG's track record in the last election, you'd think Crist would be very happy right now."

Yes and no. CfG's record in general elections is less than stellar. However that is not the primary concern of Crist, so to speak. FL has a closed primary, so for Crist to win that event, he has to get registered Republicans to support him over Rubio. What we saw last week is the most motivated political demographic right now is conservative. Will moderate Repubs vote in a primary for Crist? Are there enough of them in FL to hold off Rubio? More interesting: how many voters changed registration last year to vote in the Dem primary? Will many moderates/independants be motivated to switch to Repub to save Crist, or will they sit it out?

Posted by: bsimon1 | November 9, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

why is Curly stooge always wanting popcorn?

Posted by: snowbama | November 9, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Nothing beats a good intra-party Republican death match. Pass the popcorn!

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | November 9, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Considering CFG's track record in the last election, you'd think Crist would be very happy right now.

Posted by: VTDuffman | November 9, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

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